Kyiv

Live in Kyev,

Well I have finally managed to get over here and what a feast it has been. the earlier posts about khreschatyk street over the weekend are absolutely true. The girls wear some of the shortest skirts I have ever seen! I found that many girls that are interested in having some fun sit on the benches waiting to be chatted up. I have lucked out and found a local guide who does all the introductions and started the ball rolling. in one evening I managed to get 10 numbers with very little effort. time will tell if anything comes from them.

For those of you coming out here with a bit of time on your hands I definately think that is the way to. I checked out RP and found it to be a bit disapointing. I got there at 11pm and by about 12pm there were about 40 girls of which I would say 10 were to my liking. However as expected they were very professional in there attitude and i doubt the GFE would have been available. 150 bucks was the poening offer of all the gilrs I talked to. FYI Tuesdays / Wednesdays is free entry for gilrs b4 11pm.

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I thought the girls out there were not wearing anything at all!!

Is the country getting more conservative??

If you try to act completely on your own without a sort of local or unlocal guide, then the girls will be more than happy to submit immediately.

Don't forget at all times that they like brave guys who know exactly how to act to get what they want.

You've got so many girls around that even if you're successful one in ten times, your life will be totally elaborated.

For those who're interested, one of the many guide services including apartments can be found via

kievapartmentservice.kiev.ua

You can ask for anything you wish and as all the other similar service companies, they'll find the solution to everything you can imagine.

Personally, I've never used such services, as it diminishes the real joy of adventure and surprises, the real thing that Kiev appeals to me.

The attached map from the website reflects all the necessary locations right in the center in the old town by the left bank of the Dniepr river.

Hi,

Does anyone know about this escort website : http://www.exclusive-ukraine.tk/.
Any informations or report will be appreciated!
Here one of a girl photo proposed.

MR

The site is a complete ripoff cause it's exactly in the same format as the fictitious site odessa-escorts.tk which makes it obvious that it's all prepared by the same guy.

The fact that the charges are quoted in dollars rather than euro and the unnatural form of the pictures also make me think in that way.

Instead, stick on the reliable sites such as escort.odessa.ua and starsfromheaven.co.uk

Here are some of my observations from my River Palace experience.

Something I noticed about River Palace is that some of the girls really think quite highly of themselves. At 5am in the morning, there were still girls there quoting $200 for the rest of the night. Night? The sun's about to come up, lady, get real!

I found River Palace was fun to visit, but I was not really tempted by the majority of the girls. Most of them seemed to be hardened professionals. There were a few, however, who were quite amateur and demanded $200 minimum, but were quite happy to go home at 2 or 3am if they didn't get the offer they wanted. In the end though, it just seemed to be a smaller version of Nightflight in Moscow.

Someone once said in this forum that EVERY girl in River Palace is for sale. I was under that impression too, but you have to be careful. I made the 'mistake' of propositioning two girls that were with this big Ukrainian guy. He was pretty pissed off, but saw the funny side quickly, luckily. But you never know what could have happened.

Anyway, so at the end of the night I went with a rather average looking girl called Yulia. Quite tall, very light frizzly hair, age probably 27-30. Slightly saggy tits, but a surprisingly firm butt. But as is common, the worse they look, the better the service. She didn't mind me fingering her while in the cab (though it took 1 hryvna to shut up the cab driver when he complained). In the dark courtyard to my building, I got a nice bbbj to completion (prompted by her). Had sex in the apartment twice before going to bed; once finishing on her tits, and second time 'accidentally' getting it on her chin. And it was nice to wake up to another bbbj to completion in the morning, before I realised how average looking she really was, and booted her out of my apartment. She definitely was one to look at after 10 beers.

All in all, it was an interesting experience at River Palace. Just shows once again that is really hit and miss there.

Reporting live from Kiev, a little bleary eyed...
Each night the packages have been getting tighter here, wow.
Well, first day I hooked up with an independent internet gal, Ludmilla I think... Her pics fairly well represent her nipples which are fairly large with B breasts, so her body was a 8.0 and her face maybe a 6, normali, a bit taller than I like 'em but wow she must be in the Hoover family tree, good to the last drop. Price for 3 hours $100. OK, could have been less but I just landed and I wanted to blow off some, well, rather, I wanted an appetizer.
I tried calling Prince who is also here but due to the idiocy of the manager of this apartment (one of those recently mentioned guys) he never came thru with a cell phone - gives lots of promises but it is hard to carry those around in one's pocket, etc.
Well, at Prince's suggestion I headed out 2 nights ago to Moda Cafe and it was fairly classy, I was feeling a bit laid back, not so pickey so I chatted up the 1st gals that I sat next to, they were nice ladies, one aged 24 a brunette and the other was 27 super blondie with an shocking plunging string blouse which was played with latter in apartment. Yes, so it was 3some. They named a price for all night, till morning at 9 they clearly agreed, the price was $200 total (1/2 each) which seemed oddly low considering, well they put on a farily good show, just not as lesbi as one would like but, hey it was fairly porno like... But alas, following the adage that you get what you pay for after 4 nice hot deep bbbj's and other activity in 3 hours they complained that they had to go to work in the morning, blah, blah, so what could I do bar the door? No, so I said arivaderci.... well actually we spoke all in Russian. But before they left since they felt a little bad about leaving they both put in some great team work to finish me off via another bbbj, I did not know I could do 5 times in 3 hours but they used good technique.
then the following day I called up Svetlana whose name I was given by a friend who used to live in Kiev.... she's mid 30's must have been quite hot when younger but she acts basically as a madame for her many young friends all of whom unfortunately were still down playing in Krim... so we had a nice dinner, all in russian, and since she took me to some rather rip offski places also I do know that I have a well conected friend here for whatever I want next time....
So I sent her off in a taxi and said I wanted to walk along the river which of course after 5 minutes ended up again in Moda Bar... Well, there were some gay russian dudes singing fairly good rock while wearing tight gold stretch pants which resulted basically in all the girls looking at them, not the guys so much and since the performance ended at 2am and since it was hard to tell who was working during this obviously popular concert I high tailed it out of there up to River Palace.

Frankly I see very little difference in the quality of the ladies between Moda Bar and River Palace... I chatted with one snobby gorgeous babe- beautiful face a model, blue eyes, stunnig black hair, like Cleopatra but shoudl refused the notion of all night so I moved on and instead of model type went with a super petite but well built chica who as it turned out was an acrobatic gymnast... her friend was a 'retired' 23 year old dancer and since they knew each other since childhood they do like working together and oh my god they sure as hell did.... That was the tightest package ever.... Quite tired now after that.... The gymnast and I this morning really went at it...I think I can skip my work out today as a result. I'd love to hook up with them again.

Off now to the south of the country. Over and out.
Well, River palace was frankly as good as anything I saw in Rio in terms of selection and I mean it. The girls here really try and it's good to the last drop for most all!
Rendorseg

Back from Kiev, and had such a wonderful time that i am already planning for return.

Here are just a few miscellaneous things I experienced.

If you use GiaEscort, they are no longer the 'cheap' option. The prices now are $100 for 2 hours and $70 for 1 hour. Of course, if you speak Russian well enough to pass as a local, this is significantly cheaper. In fact, ridiculously cheaper. Also, the phone numbers they post on their website lead to operators that do not speak English. They will either hang up on you or direct you to another number, which I never got to work. I only managed to contact when I emailed them and they supplied me yet another number, this time successful. I picked Vladislava (do not go for her; I am not sure they even sent me the right girl!). I also went with Larisa. She is quite good; gives a mean BBBJ and did not complain when I slipped it in her ass. But she does watch the clock somewhat.

A comment about Cocktail Bar 111. This is a great place to go on the right nights. I didn't have any problems getting in, but someone I met said they were told they needed a VIP card and this could only be acquired through recommendation. Anyone know about this?

River Palace. I disliked this place and found the girls snobbish and far too professional, more so than Nightflight in Moscow. I left without taking anyone. (Couldn't get a root in a brothel? :) )The taxi drivers outside there are rip-off merchants. I'm sure most people know this, but I think its useful for other beginners to know this. The 'official' taxi driver will quote you something ridiculous like 35 hryvna to get to the city. Say no, and there will always be some guy in an albeit rundown car, who is happy to take you for 10 hryna or so.

My experiences also taught me that its quite important to learn the cyrillic alphabet just to make life easier, especially on the metro. And I think it helps to speak Russian. I will spend my next few months learning some Russian because although English is trendy here, I found it trying at times to talk to the girls who had very minimal English.

Hope some of that is helping to people around.

NeilSydney,
Nice report. about 111, I was told that on my first time there, well my friend who was Ukrainian, when he turned and told me in English what they told him they looked at me and opened the door and off we went right on in. Think being an American was all the VIP I needed there.

For almost all places like 111 in Kiev, except for RP and Resttown, you need cards to get in, so it's always to visit the places accompanied by a girl. ( Most girls have all kinds of necessary cards)

The interesting part of RP is that you can find all sorts of girls there and it would be much more appealing to go for the regular girls who are sitting in groups away from the bar and also hanging out in the casino section.

I've been to 111 quite a few times (on my own and with a date) and I've never heard anything about needinga card to get in; never been asked for one, never needed one - I'm not sure there's even a cover charge during the week.

I've been to several other clubs in Kiev and I'm positive that I've never needed a VIP card anywhere - all sounds a little dubious. I can't see any of the clubs in the main part of Kiev doing anything to make it more difficult for tourists/businessmen to get in. Doesn't make any business sense at all - maybe somewhere like Freedom when it first opened (didn't go last trip so no recent info) or Chaikovsky but I'm sure it would just be a gimic.

I'd be surprised if any reader of this forum had any trouble getting into a club in Kiev.

About 111:

As I suspect, I think its a form of face control. I think if you have the card they will always let you in, but if you don't then only if you can pass the test, which probably means going with a girl, or just dressing well and being confident and heading straight in. I actually have a sense of deja vu about this topic: maybe its been discussed earlier.

Anyway, I think I did see the cards being flashed around, so I think they do exist.

Anyway, apparently you get the cards "by recommendation". I'm sure the bouncers will recommend you for a few hryvna!

apologies to everyone who wrote with questions and pm'd me over the last couple weeks. i had to cut short my trip to kiev by two days to return to work and have been on the road continuously since then. unfortunately most of that took place in france, and there is just no way i'm going to try to type out a long report on those damn french keyboards!!

prince2: yes i used an internet cafe that is right on independence square between the mcdonalds and the post office. it's upstairs and i think it's 10 grivnas for an hour (us$2). the attendant speaks english, speed of connection is isdn/slow dsl (maybe 256-512k), and everything worked fine.

dress in rp was all over the board. i saw guys in jeans but most people were just euro-casual in dark slacks/shirts. for me it was just a pair of brown painter's pants and a black silk button-down shirt. nothing designer. i think your friendliness and attitude are more important everywhere.

i'm not sure why the immigration lady in borispol wanted to know who was inviting me. it's quite clear from their embassy's website that americans (and several other nationalities) don't need any sort of invitation to visit the ukraine. fortunately i had asked uaapartments to give me an invitation letter anyway which totally satisfied the sour-faced immigration lady. i think i could have gotten by without having it with some shucking 'n jiving, but would have had to actually start talking with her, which is always a bad thing when it comes to dealing with government agents.

beansed: going in i had about us$1000 and eur$500 on me, which i dutifully declared. after my long wait in customs to do this the customs agent actually crossed out everything i wrote in trying to declare my funds and just wrote some indecipherable note in russian at the bottom of my declaration sheet, stamped it, and gave it back. since i had to leave early and some of the other aspects of my trip didn't quite go as planned, i still had over us$1000 on the way out, so i was a bit leery of what would happen. at customers when leaving they just looked at the stamped declaration sheet, asked me how much cash i had, and waved me out. no problems.

Kiev report part two.

Due to my pre-arranging dates with two ladies through Friendfinder.com I suddenly found myself a bit confined in my activities. The benefit of pre-arranging the ladies was they all spoke English and I knew I could at least get a nice guide service, etc. However once I mostly figured out how things worked I found my internet selections wanting compared to the seemingly endless stream of hotties just walking by.

So dutifully I was on to my second prearranged date. The second lady I met was another nice early 30s type who normally would have been barely bed-able but in the atmosphere of super-hotties in Kiev didn't quite measure up. I also had this little early 20s hottie that I'd just met right before leaving to Kiev so I was in a pretty picky mood.

We did have a nice time doing tourist things with her showing me all around the city. I really walked her tail off taking me everywhere, taking photos of me and the zillion monuments they have to everything there. Like everyone I met she really wanted me to see her city in the best light and did her best to show me a nice time. She did pay me back a little for all the exercise by suggesting a very nice (and expensive) Ukrainian restaurant for dinner (although to her credit she did tell me it was expensive). I can't remember (or pronounce) the name but it was styled just like a traditional Ukrainian house or village and is very upscale. I'm sure anyone there would know it if described. Well we had a wonderful dinner that I dropped US$100+ on. She suggested going back to my place afterwards but I just didn't want to partake so we parted company with promises for me to to call later, etc. etc.

Next day I learned work was recalling me two days early, so this was to be my last day. Not having hooked up yet with any of the eye candy wandering around I decided not to goof around but to head over to River Palace. This I did, and enjoyed a second good meal there cheap. I hit the disco about midnight where there was a large number of hotties. This time I worked the floor talking to a lot of ladies and taking my time choosing. I found most of them too pro-like to be interesting (a feeling others have posted feeling also). One thin blond was smiling at me so I went over to say hello. She had been there two days before when I was there and I ignored her for what I thought were hotter babes that turned out to be too hardened for my taste. I've noted in my other travels that often the slightly less hot girls that seem to really like you are by far the best choice for a good time.

Anyway Olga was 24, blond, thin, small breasts and nice tight figure. She told me she goes to RP once a week or so and works in an office the rest of the time. She remembered me from the other time I was there, which slightly embarrased me cuz I had really ignored her "come hither" smiles that night. She was easy to talk to and obviously liked me so I suggested we go back to my place. She suggested $250 which I laughed at, and we were instantly at $150.

One thing that has been mentioned here several times before that bears repeating is DO NOT get in to a cab with a lady leaving RP without first agreeing to the price. I had read this piece of sage advice before leaving and promptly forgot it in my excitement to get home. Naturally upon arriving the cabbie wanted 65 grivna which is about 2-3x the normal price. I told him "No way" and he kept repeating "Policia" or some approximation. I said fine and sat back to let the girl negotiate with him. Finally we settled on 50 grivna which was still at least 15 grivna too much but I figured I wasn't going to argue over US$3.

Once in my apt. Olga and I talked for about an hour, had some wine, and finally hit the bedroom. BBBJ was performed without being asked to do so and it was very good. We then had straight sex which was very enjoyable. I did ask if I could take her picture which she definitely did not want. I insisted but could not get her to agree. Sorry guys.

The most interesting thing was after the sex. We were again talking about all sorts of things and she was telling me about her boyfriend who apparently didn't know about her extracurricular activities and how they were shortly going on a holiday to the Crimea. Unsolicitied she said she had a very beautiful friend that she wanted to hook me up with. She suggested the four of us could all go together for several days if I liked. She gave me her phone number and told me to call her in a couple days to let her know. She was really nice about it and it was typical of the very friendly, helpful and genuine attitude of all the people I met on my trip. The feeling I got was they really wanted to put the best face on their country for visitors and wanted them to have a good time and go away with a good opinion of the place, people, etc. Since I had to catch a plane in a couple hours we parted company.

Leaving early I had to change my flight and learned that Ukrainian Airlines has a nonstop to London which was also the cheapest flight I could get on short notice. The plane was a modern 737 so thought this might be of interest to fellow readers.

To sum up my trip to Kiev I'd say the representations of lots of hot babes is accurate. I also think they are generally pretty friendly and want to meet western guys. You'll have a lot more choice if you can speak conversational Russian (if that's you then be warned because you may not want to leave this babe paradise). If not you'll still have a great time but depending on your ability to just approach ladies cold may want to get a guide that knows you are hunting for ladies and who can make introductions and take you to appropriate pick-up locations.

RP is a great choice if you don't mind a fairly pro attitude (with good value for your money). It's definitely easy for the non-Russian speaker with a good, cheap restaurant with english menus, etc. I was told by one of my ff.com girls that Moda Bar was popular for normal girls to go for fun.

You can also just walk down the street and chat up the girls (that speak English) and am pretty sure you could do fine just doing that.

No scientific evidence to back this up just a feeling that younger girls (19-25) are easier and have more of a "good to go" attitude. I think they start pretty young here.
The older ones seem a bit more wary but still very easy to talk to, etc.

Don't bring any more US$ than you need for the pros, cuz there are ATMs everywhere and everything is relatively cheap.

Thanks to everybody who posted and made for a great trip for me!

Kiev, end of august 2004

I was again in Kiev for a few days. First night, sunday, went to River Palace(RP) at 1.00 A.M.

I prefer RP above Moda Bar, further on the road along the river.
RP is a disco on a ship in the river called Dnepr.

Same type of girls, same prices but I prefer the RP atmosphere and lay-out.

Almost all the girls are available with the exeption, may be , of the girls that come in with a guy.

As most of you will know, RP has a disco and a "casino" at the streetlevel and a bar/restaurant one level lower.

When you enter you pay about 50 gryvnia, about 10 US$ entrance fee and get a (almost invisible) stamp at your hand so that you can walk in and out.

Untill 1.00 am it is very quiet. Action starts at about 1 untill 3 or 4 in the morning.

The room is about 100 x 30meters, in the middle a dancefloor,
and tables around that flour.

When you enter you can ask the waitress a table but i prefer to walk till the end of the floor where the bar is.

There you will find some hiher tables, without chairs so you will have to stand.

In this part, most of the ladies stand and chat. You can easy mix and order a drink and look at the ladies dancing at the floor.

This ladies really know how to dance. A wonderfull sight.

The girls will never aproach you. You will have to do the first move.
Quite easy, tey are just next to you. Just say "hello". If they are interested, they will answer, if not they will not react.

NOT because they are not available but because this girls has already a date, is waiting for her date, does not like you or for whatever reason.
Most of the girls speak at least basic english.

I choosed a perfect looking girl, abou 25 years,, blond and had a little chat.

I offerered a drink, 25 gryvnia, and asked why she was there.(I knew but you have to start somewhere).

The answer was obvious, so we discussed the possibility to have a drink and more at my apartment.

By the way, in Kiev I prefer an apartment.No hassle with securityguard.
The going rate is 100 US$ for a few hours, 200$ for the night.

Deal done, taking a cab to the city. 50 gryvnia is the going rate.

A lot of cabs waiting outside, all the same price.

Of course you can try the sovjethabit: just stand along the road and wave your arm. Quite normal in eastern countries that somebody will stop and take you for a much smaller fee.But during the night, with that girl standing next to you and not much traffic.

If somebody stops, you cannot pronounce the street you live, the number and can not negotiate.Almost nobody speaks english. Some cabdrivers do. I could do it, I speak enough russian, the common lanmguage here, but if you don't, don try this alternative.

Just take a cab, have your adress written at a piece of paper or have a map so that you can explain where to go.

Going "home" I bought some drinks after asking the girl what she would like to drink. In Kiev some foodshops (magasin produkti) are open all night.

Arrived at the apartment, had a drink and took a shower.

When she came out of the shower it was evident that I had made an excellent choice.Waering just a towel I could admire her perfect tits, great ass and beatiful figure.

Do you rember the movie" the postman always rings twice".

The postman did the girl, while the girl was lying at the table.

In an apartment there will not be a large table, neither in an hotelroom.

But, in an apartment there will always be an sofa. That is the place I prefer to start.

Just put the girl upside down at this sofa, shoulders at the seat, legs over the back and you can reach every inch.

Fucking while you stand and at the same time stimulating her clit.
She will like that.

After about fifteen minutes of play we moved to the bedroom.
There we fucked like animals, missionary, cowboy,doggystyle.

Doing doggystyle I entered het ass with my fingers after lubricating with some gel.

After about twenty deep poundings she climaxed.She asked me to continue but without touching her ass. That, she told me,was too sensitive after climaxing.I continued and popped.

We had a drink and chatted for half an hour.She was from Odessa a place where I have been several times.

By the way, we spoke english; she was rather fluent.

We started again with our game.After some time I popped again.

Again a drink, and we went to sleep.

In the morning, at 8 o'clock, I woke her. This took some time but then she started to do what she had to do.With her hands she explored my whole body and especially my better part. After some cbj she asked me, which position I preferred and again, we had a wonderful time.

No hurry, just fun. I popped, I prepared coffee we had a chat and she left after I paid her.

This was my first, well spend night in Kiev.

More nights to come.I will keep you informed.

It seems very interesting to me that almost everyone complains about the pro attitude in RP, but becomes very content at the end.

What's that thin line between GFE and pro action anyway?

It's so difficult to find real pro behaviour in Kiev, even if you're interested in such attitude!

The initial looks of a girl should not be barely enough to justify pro attitude and mechanical behaviour.

On the contrary, if she tries to attract your attention too much by oversmiles at the beginning, it's more likely that you'll have a boring time together.