Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1373048]Some sad reports about these paying upfront, bad service places.

Most of these spots are tourist rip off joints. Do what you want, but I hope you are on here to get some good info and advice.

Avoid those places. Let many of the Japanese and Korean tourists go there and get ripped off.

Unless you know the girl or are 100% positive, don't pay upfront.[/QUOTE]To a certain degree, yes, You are correct. It is dangerous to pay upfront but the Oilies are only learning from their big Brother: the Soapies where it is mandatory that you pay as soon as you pick your girl.

Oilies did not charge upfront as they wanted to give their customers the choice of special: HJ, BJ, FS. Girls prefer FS as this is where they make most money but if customers only have HJ then it's less money for them.

At the all inclusive places, they may get less than the 1500 as the shops are greedy (we know that) but even if they get 1200 or 1300, it's still better than 500 or 0 if the guy is not in the mood so the better / prettier girls all migrate to the All-inclusive places.

That's how I think it happens, but I could be wrong.

[quote]Even if it is a "pay after" place. Before you even get your clothes off, ask the girl what she will do. If she is not satisfactory, ask for another girl. Or, just get the massage, or get the hell out of there. I have walked on $14 (the upfront cost of massage only) several times and gone someplace else.[/QUOTE]You can do the same with an All-inc place, if the girl is not satisfactory, send her packing and take another one. She may beg not to be sent back but you are the customer = your choice.

[QUOTE=Dan7373; 1372813]I've just checked out the Mango Massage website. And they have pictures of many new ladies whom I haven't seen before. Some sexy ladies too.

See for yourself:

[url]http://www.mangomassagebkk.com/ladies/[/url][/QUOTE]I was there last time with Pita123 and Miss Anna was outside, eating. She looked like a Post-op (to me anyways). The other girls eating were really low in the looks department so I gave up and left.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1373060]This is so true. All of us Forum guys probably represent about 20% of the mongers in Thailand and many places will be busy no matter what.

Last time I was in front of Thermae and was shocked, I felt like in Tokyo with a bunch of Jappos waiting outside. I have nothing against the Japanese, but in the P4P department, they are just clueless morons who overpay for everything and expect very little service. THAT also is becoming a trend.[/QUOTE]Not just in Tmae and not just the Japanese Nic. We were perched on the second floor or Nana one night last week drinking a few beers at the rail next to the short time hotel. During the 90 or so minutes we were there the ST Hotel's lobby was always full with people waiting for a room. We decided to time the "happy couples" to see how much time they spent in the rooms. Only one pairing spent more than 30 min in the room. For the rest it was between 20 and 25 minutes. Now accounting for a shower before and a shower after, that leaves less than 10 minutes for the "act." Considering most of these dudes are paying between 2k and 3k for ST, that is pretty poor value for money. The gals all seemed to be rushing around as well. We saw two quite attractive lasses enter the hotel with two different BFs during the time we were there. The punters were not just Japanese. Plenty of Westerners as well, although Asians made up over 70% of the customers. Also a lot of young Japanese who after their six seconds of bliss would come out and meet their friends and smile, celebrating that hair trigger I guess.

No wonder the girls don't want to go with us veterans. We actually want to spend a little time having sex. Sad really, but it is what the scene is now.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1373064]To a certain degree, yes, You are correct. It is dangerous to pay upfront but the Oilies are only learning from their big Brother: the Soapies where it is mandatory that you pay as soon as you pick your girl.

Oilies did not charge upfront as they wanted to give their customers the choice of special: HJ, BJ, FS. Girls prefer FS as this is where they make most money but if customers only have HJ then it's less money for them.

At the all inclusive places, they may get less than the 1500 as the shops are greedy (we know that) but even if they get 1200 or 1300, it's still better than 500 or 0 if the guy is not in the mood so the better / prettier girls all migrate to the All-inclusive places.

That's how I think it happens, but I could be wrong.

You can do the same with an All-inc place, if the girl is not satisfactory, send her packing and take another one. She may beg not to be sent back but you are the customer = your choice.[/QUOTE]It makes sense that the best girls would migrate to the all inclusive parlors. So what are the names of some of these? What places do you recommend?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1373055]Yup, and we know the Flower Shops has had withered away flowers for a long time now.

The dwarves at SW aren't as Jolly and pretty as they used to be. Shame.

Yep, and on top of that, he does not force his employees to buy from him at inflated prices.[/QUOTE]SW has the best talent of the PSE places. Sadly you are correct. Lookers can work at other Oily places and provide less service for the money. Unfortunately this is a trend throughout the industry.

Hi NicFrenchy,

I am not angry so no need to ask me to calm down and my reply was not to you but to Scorch1470.

I quoted your post which in turn quoted his but in my haste of posting, did not see that the quote does not include Scorch1470's post "Yes, you are exploiting the ladies and you and other MPs do look bad. This is a real indictment on the MP industry."

And yes, Mango, Tulip, SW are all oilies same as Angel, Addict, Paradise, Premier.

Regards.

EZ.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1372671]Calm down you dick, I did not say you were exploiting the ladies and did not make you look bad at all, learn to read English before making these statement.

Also, Mango, Tulip and Snow white are not soapies, they are oilies. For someone who works for an Oily you should know that no?

We all know how these places operate and as I was saying before (in plain English) : "it is not for us to judge how you run your business".[/QUOTE]

Hi there,

I am sorry to hear about your bad experience.

If you did ask specifically about BBBJ and was confirmed by EZ that the lady offer BBBJ and eventually she did not, you have the right to stop the session and we would have eithered ask the lady to do BBBJ for you or change a new lady for you.

Was it as EZ1 or EZ2 and which lady did you choose?

Regards.

EZ.

[QUOTE=Some American; 1372938]My last visit to EZ was also terrible and I cut it short. The girl was uninterested once I chose her, although looking very interested before hand. Not even a BBBJ, although I'd specifically asked about that. I'm a clean hygenic guy, so I don't think it was me. I had no recourse, having paid upfront. They are, naturally, welcome to run their business as they see fit just as I am, just as naturally, welcome to never set foot in their crappy establishment again. Not only that, but I'm welcome to talk about it with anyone who'll listen. Hopefully they'll lose some business as a result.

Customer service is important. A card for a free session or even a discounted one would have made me a lot happier and would have given them a chance at keeping a customer. It's sad that things seem to be going in this direction, but as long as there are options I think we'll be okay. As to EZ, never again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1373078]Not just in Tmae and not just the Japanese Nic. We were perched on the second floor or Nana one night last week drinking a few beers at the rail next to the short time hotel. During the 90 or so minutes we were there the ST Hotel's lobby was always full with people waiting for a room. We decided to time the "happy couples" to see how much time they spent in the rooms. Only one pairing spent more than 30 min in the room. For the rest it was between 20 and 25 minutes. Now accounting for a shower before and a shower after, that leaves less than 10 minutes for the "act." Considering most of these dudes are paying between 2k and 3k for ST, that is pretty poor value for money. The gals all seemed to be rushing around as well. We saw two quite attractive lasses enter the hotel with two different BFs during the time we were there. The punters were not just Japanese. Plenty of Westerners as well, although Asians made up over 70% of the customers. Also a lot of young Japanese who after their six seconds of bliss would come out and meet their friends and smile, celebrating that hair trigger I guess.

No wonder the girls don't want to go with us veterans. We actually want to spend a little time having sex. Sad really, but it is what the scene is now.[/QUOTE]Wow! I was at Nana in early-December. ST hotels I used were busy but I din't have to wait for a room. One girl from Spanky's tried to rush me, but I'm not about to let a girl younger than my daughters push me around. Ended up spending about 45 minutes with her. Met a real sweet girl in Billboard. She spent about 90 minutes with me (mentioned this in an earlier post). The last 30 minutes was spent talking and cuddling after I had blown my wad. Weird thing is no one from the hotel didn't knocked to chase us out. My conclusion is you have to be mindful of supply and demand and look for pussy on the slower nights. Both my experiences were mid-week. I guess I was also at the beginning of the season.

[QUOTE=EZmassageBKK; 1373086]Hi there,

I am sorry to hear about your bad experience.

If you did ask specifically about BBBJ and was confirmed by EZ that the lady offer BBBJ and eventually she did not, you have the right to stop the session and we would have eithered ask the lady to do BBBJ for you or change a new lady for you.

Was it as EZ1 or EZ2 and which lady did you choose?

Regards.

EZ.[/QUOTE]That is good to know and thanks.

I never understand why dudes seem afraid to say something. It is your money and your cum shots. Speak up if you are not happy.

[QUOTE=EZmassageBKK; 1373085]Hi NicFrenchy,

I am not angry so no need to ask me to calm down and my reply was not to you but to Scorch1470.

I quoted your post which in turn quoted his but in my haste of posting, did not see that the quote does not include Scorch1470's post "Yes, you are exploiting the ladies and you and other MPs do look bad. This is a real indictment on the MP industry."

And yes, Mango, Tulip, SW are all oilies same as Angel, Addict, Paradise, Premier.

Regards.

EZ.[/QUOTE]Ok, my sincere apologies for having been harsh to you then, I take that back.

Good luck with your business.

NF

[QUOTE=EZmassageBKK; 1372538]Hi,

We do not EXPLOIT the ladies at all. Please you are making us look so bad. This is how it is run in all the soapies such as Mango, Tulip, Snow White etc the ladies do not make money from the massage. They make money only from the special.

Regards

EZ[/QUOTE]For years and years the norm of separating the massage fee from the girl's payment worked prefectly well consequently the phenomenon of punters not paying (justifying change to upfront charging) must be relatively recent. Also when you think about it, the house always got paid so the pressure for change must have come from the girls. Is this feasable, staff deciding pricing policy? . I wonder, and to be honest I have my doubths and let's not forget that even if the girl still gets her 1500 from the shop (does she?) the price of the massage has been moved from 400 to 500 as the all in price at least at EZ is now 2000.

Anybody who visits an oily and is not interested in sex should not be allowed in. If you want a straight up massage there are lots of places to go and where the lady is paid 100 or 150 per hour plus her tips. Oilies do not pay a massage fee to the girl and as far as I know never have and any girl who starts to work at an oily knows this.

Ez seems like it wants to provide a worthwhile experience at it's shops, doesn't always succeed as some of us know only too well but at least they take feedback constructively unlike some other business's who use the forum for promotion.

Dr Joke

[QUOTE=Oidar;1372950]I got out and was lying on my back when she said,"All you want special first". She had every intention of killing time. At this point I had enough.[/QUOTE]If this is what she said, it is not good English grammar, and the meaning is not clear to me. Perhaps it should read "Would you like special first?" or perhaps a comment "Everyone seems to want special first" or "All that you want, is just a Special?" (no massage). Are there any other interpretations? It is not safe to assume we can understand what she meant. She would have been mystified when you decided to leave.

I prefer to speak Thai with girls. Misunderstanding is reduced. Otherwise take it carefully if her English is not good.

Hi NF,

No hard feelings.

You are one forum member whom I respect. I enjoy reading your FRs who are enjoyable and helpful and your feedbacks are valuable to me.

I remember that you used to come to our shop and enjoy the services of some of our ladies.

Was there any particular bad experience that made you stop visiting us?

Regards.

EZ.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1373120]Ok, my sincere apologies for having been harsh to you then, I take that back.

Good luck with your business.

NF[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dan7373; 1372813]I've just checked out the Mango Massage website. And they have pictures of many new ladies whom I haven't seen before. Some sexy ladies too.

See for yourself:

[url]http://www.mangomassagebkk.com/ladies/[/url][/QUOTE]Website is nice, but I walked in three times in two weeks and was disappointed each time, when were you last there in person?

Little bored after work on a Sat evening. Decided on a PSE. Had a good session prior at this place which I'll post up soon.

This visit, lineup was small. Picked the 'cutest' girl with a decent body. Name Pat, decent enough but not a hard-body. Shower with no action, to the mattress a little frontal massage and goes to work on my 'little fren' Not bad technique had her ass up near me so I start to finger bang her, she loosens up a bit then a little perfunctory rimming (her). Changes up so I can mouth the titties while still in the finger-bang mode. With that she gets really wet. She then applies the condom and mounts me. A bit in cowgirl, ACG, face-2-face. Roll her to her back and penetrate her with just he tip at first all the while talking to her about what to expect next. More, more, more until she had it all, I then pounded her short and long bursts for a while. Scissored her legs closed for the grand finale.

Overall, ok but not a true PSE would not repeat with her.