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[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2917219]He can't find it because I made it up. Wasn't it obvious?
The only thing missing was a quote from a politician blaming "Tucker Carlson and Putin-loving Republicans congressmen" for holding up the aid.[/QUOTE]What is funny is that he actually looked it up and was trying to find it. I literally LOL'd just now reading your comment.
[QUOTE=Zeos1;2916975]That is hilarious stuff. Someone in a basement somewhere is laughing their ass off at how it's spreading.[/QUOTE]Thank you.
I wanted to add to Elvis's trenchant observation about selecting women with ADHD: bulimic women give great head because they've overcome that gag reflex. Or look for women with upper dental plates. They don't have the caved in faces of the truly edentulous but you get the same advantage. Or epileptics. Stick it in and trigger a seizure. I think Elvis's autism doctors have some more ideas. Donald Trump recommends taking advantage of autistic women because they won't make good witnesses. Plus like Elvis says, " doctors cannot find an unvaccinated kid with autism" so you'd be in less danger from the virus if you just stick to screwing autistic women, because Elvis proves conclusively that all autistics are vaccinated.
As far as The Big Big E's mis / disinformation or just plain inaccurate bullshit about the Amish, of course that's not true:
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8195242/[/URL]
Pay particular attention to this sentences, all you more ONS out there:
"Closed religious communities also resist epidemiological surveillance. "
So if and when these wing nuts show lower rates of infection it's because they're ignorant, and lying, and etc.
[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-amish-covid-vaccines-cancer-diabetes-autism-356029928165[/URL]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N2NZ1TY/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/10/fact-check-false-claim-amish-dont-get-covid-19/4455551001/[/URL]
This last one shows how misinformation was deliberately posted.
Meantime, follow Elvis's awesome theory and go for ADHD chicks. Confiscate their Ritalin and you have total control.
[QUOTE=Jim0129;2917194]For Fu*ks sake I stop reading the thread for one week and it turns into Vaccine warfare!! Is there a Modrator in the house?
Where are all the posts about Bi*ches??[/QUOTE]Can you please take your monger posts elsewhere please, this is the Great Vccine Debate Forum. Go find a mongering forum to post sex comments or smthg.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2917166]Much of what you question was covered in the video that your not interested to watch, a lot more was covered in his well researched book on the subject.[/QUOTE]You're a smart guy. Summarize it. However, you're fighting an uphill battle.
Let's assume that there is a link between DDT and either polio, or polio like symptoms, which are not and will never be the same. Before I continue I want to be certain you have every opportunity to understand that point.
Polio is a communicable disease caused by a virus. We know beyond any doubt whatsoever this is fact. It's even part of a common anti-vax talking point. There were at least 2 times when quality control failure in vaccine manufacturing resulted in vaccines containing live virus were distributed and used, causing people who got the vaccine to come down with polio.
There are possibly many things which could produce polio like symptoms. However, that won't be polio. It won't be contagious, and quite likely, once exposure to the substance ceases the symptoms will disappear.
It doesn't much matter which we assume DDT causes, but the distinction is important, because a contagious disease requires different actions than an illness that's not contagious.
Back on track. We're saying DDT causes one or the other. A skeptic wants funding to prove the link, but nobody will give him money. Now let's buff up the skeptic. He's not just some guy who lacks the education and experience to be taken seriously. Nope. Our skeptic is a dual PhD and an expert in both pesticides and communicable disease. He's considered one of the top experts in the world. He's done all the preliminary work, has everything needed for a successful grant application. He might get funding, if he's not asking for too much. Someone with money might fund his research in the hope that they can get something useful from him later.
There's simple reason why nobody wants to fund that research. It has no benefit. You're spending money to fix a problem which no longer exists. Worldwide, 6 cases in 2021. Two of the three strains of virus have been eradicated. The remaining 1 can only be found in Pakistan and Afghanistan. To the best of my knowledge there have been no cases of polio like symptoms that weren't shown to be caused by the polio virus.
To compound problem, DDT usage has been mostly restricted for 50 years. While DDT was widely used countries which pursued vaccination showed rapid and drastic reduction in the number of cases.
So, without the possibility of exposure to DDT and lacking anyone with polio or polio like symptoms, the field of study yields nothing useful.
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As far as The Big Big E's mis / disinformation or just plain inaccurate bullshit about the Amish, of course that's not true:
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8195242/[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL. Can you read? "First, we cannot track the cause of death through the obituary data. " So we cannot track the data but let's just assume that the increased in number of deaths in 2020 was due to a virus with a 0. 2% mortality.
And then you fall for the % change bullshit. Let's apply this to the vaccine data shall we?
3 participants in the BNT162 b2 group and 2 in the original placebo group who received BNT162 b2 after unblinding died.
You take that data and you can say, "Oh my God, you are 50% more likely to die if you get the Covid vaccine. " That is the game "scientists" play to scare people.
This study, and I do not even want to call it a study, this bullshit piece of propaganda was put into place to support the stupid shit government was doing and demonize the Amish, and a dumb fuck like you fell for it.
And you are not even debating about the vaccine because the vaccine was not available when this study was done.
"The importance of face-to-face rituals in CRCs and Amish groups' general resistance to mask-wearing and other CDC guidelines makes them especially vulnerable to COVID-19".
The one thing every country agreed on was to not have mass gatherings. Hell, I believed in that and did not go to mass gatherings back then, but the Amish did not and guess what? IMO that should be their fucking choice. Democratic douches like you support mass gathering BLM riots but freaked out when people went to church.
The really important part of this study is government is attacking the Amish. Government does not like how fucking healthy they are and how they resist government mandates, and there is a war brewing between them and government. If you follow the news, there is a horrible government case against the Amish and how one Amish person was growing his food and not even selling it to the general public.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_zy3x1j1t0[/URL]
Yeah, we cannot have people producing their own food and selling it to their neighbors! I am sure the government can conduct another bullshit study as to why this is saving us. Cough, cough.
[QUOTE=Huacho;2917246]
Meantime, follow Elvis's awesome theory and go for ADHD chicks. Confiscate their Ritalin and you have total control.[/QUOTE]Ritalin is not widely used in other countries. We have a shit load more ADHD in our country after the vaccines and this stuff is given out by the pound now to combat what is not normal for kids to do: sit in a classroom for hours on end when young.
And what group flies in the face of the government's hairbrained "education" scheme? That would again be the Amish.
And no, I do not love the Amish or want to be a part of their group. I love freedom and as someone who loves freedom, that means leaving the Amish the fuck alone.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2917297]You're a smart guy. Summarize it. However, you're fighting an uphill battle.
Polio is a communicable disease caused by a virus. We know beyond any doubt whatsoever this is fact. [/QUOTE]I am smart enough to know that to make a decent effort to just summarise the main arguments would take several hours, and it would ultimately be an exercise in futility. Flogging a dead horse. The 2 guys in the video know far more about it than I will ever do, they have done the work (especially the author of the book), and they make a much better presentation than I coud ever make, so I really don't see any point in me wasting my time on it. If you were interested, you would watch the video and even read the book. And I can save my time and put it to better personal use. :)
But I can say that your starting 'fact' is dealt with at the start of the video. Polio is a condition of paralysis caused by swlling at the base of the spine. It can be caused by virus or several other factors. Thats their definition.
Elvis really wishes he could join the Amish. Dude, it's not a club.
[QUOTE=Huacho;2917592]Elvis really wishes he could join the Amish. Dude, it's not a club.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2917391]And no, I do not love the Amish or want to be a part of their group. I love freedom and as someone who loves freedom, that means leaving the Amish the fuck alone.[/QUOTE]Yes, Huacho, you are a predictably stupid liar at this point.
What I do not get about you is you have the freedom to monger and travel but you are willing to throw you freedom in the trash over the smallest scare. Huacho, the government does not like your conduct and seeing that is all that matters to you, you must really hate yourself.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2917540]I am smart enough to know that to make a decent effort to just summarise the main arguments would take several hours, and it would ultimately be an exercise in futility. Flogging a dead horse. The 2 guys in the video know far more about it than I will ever do, they have done the work (especially the author of the book), and they make a much better presentation than I coud ever make, so I really don't see any point in me wasting my time on it. If you were interested, you would watch the video and even read the book. And I can save my time and put it to better personal use. :)
But I can say that your starting 'fact' is dealt with at the start of the video. Polio is a condition of paralysis caused by swlling at the base of the spine. It can be caused by virus or several other factors. Thats their definition.[/QUOTE]I understand that's "their" definition, but it's not a correct definition. If I had bothered to watch the video, I would have stopped right there, rolled my eyes and walked away. However, if I stayed around to see them explain polio as a swelling at the base of the spine, I'd probably have said a few choice words, before walking away. Polio isn't a swelling. Once the virus gets into the central nervous system, it destroys nerve cells, which creates the appearance of swelling.
This is a huge fundamental difference. Swelling isn't a permanent condition. In many cases, swelling can be controlled with steroids. In almost all cases, once the cause of swelling is removed, the swelling goes away. COVID-19 can cause that swelling and I can verify the swelling can lead to temporary paralysis. Nerve damage is irreversible. In some cases of Traumatic Brain Injury, different neural pathways can be used, although there are some side effects. Aphasia is common.
This is why I don't get my information from videos. Someone can make a great presentation, and it can sound incredibly convincing, but everything you're seeing is what they want you to see and everything path is the one they steered you down. You're not being asked to think, you're being told to believe without questions.
This reminds me of an ex-girlfriend who wanted to steer me into her religion. She had a book "The Case For Christ" written by an alleged lawyer. The format was a trial, to prove or disprove the existence and divinity of Jesus Christ. To me it was hilarious. Every bit of his "evidence" would have been inadmissible in an actual court and the logical fallacies were non-stop.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2917630]………..
This reminds me of an ex-girlfriend who wanted to steer me into her religion. She had a book "The Case For Christ" written by an alleged lawyer. The format was a trial, to prove or disprove the existence and divinity of Jesus Christ. To me it was hilarious. Every bit of his "evidence" would have been inadmissible in an actual court and the logical fallacies were non-stop.[/QUOTE]Sounds like another oldie but goodie "The Screwtape Letters" written by CS Lewis.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2917630]She had a book "The Case For Christ" written by an alleged lawyer. The format was a trial, to prove or disprove the existence and divinity of Jesus Christ. To me it was hilarious. Every bit of his "evidence" would have been inadmissible in an actual court and the logical fallacies were non-stop.[/QUOTE]LOL. Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen just testified in court. No, he is not an alleged lawyer. He went to Yale, and he laid out a case with "experts" just like what was done with Covid. Instead of focusing on what he got wrong, and he got a lot wrong, because like Covid the "experts" had a huge conflict of interest.
In fact, the most compelling part of the book was the anecdotal, the author's own story. The rest was trash. The virgin birth, the date of December 25, the concept of more than one God (the Trinity) were advertisements to get the pagans to sign up, and the whole concept of asexuality of Jesus and his mother just seemed like such contrived notions to me. The church has been using sex to control people practically since its inception. Priests could not have legitimate children. Jesus never got laid and then there was the nonsense that the Bible and Jesus supported monogamy.
This was the exact same thing with Covid. The CDC and the NIH were protecting a brand by calling themselves experts and using political not scientific expertise to put people in check. When the best seller the the Vinci Code comes out, everyone freaks. Jesus had sex and a child, and that story is popular? Noooo!
Guys like this preached the Bible was perfect. It was the word of God which was always nonsense. There were all different kinds of gospels and without copy machines, scribes would not just err in copying the Bibles but get bored and make up their own stories. The four gospels in the Bible were a political not spiritual decision and the current Bible was not even that. Our current Bible just happened to be the book closest to the first known printing presses. There was no debate then about which book was most accurate.
The basis of the the Vinci code was one small paragraph about Jesus having sex and being in love with Mary Magdalene in one of the alternative gospels. So what? Those facts should not get in the way of the wisdom that is in the Bible but if you think your way is the best and only way, a tool for power which is ironic because Jesus preached that having power was not worth seeking as God had it all, then there are and were problems. The book was all politics and yes court rooms are political theater. Being popular trumps being right in court. So yeah, it was garbage and totally wrong, but the book was popular because it told people what they wanted to hear which is the same with you and Covid. You wanted to believe the government knew what it was doing when it obviously did not.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2917630]Swelling isn't a permanent condition. In many cases, swelling can be controlled with steroids. In almost all cases, once the cause of swelling is removed, the swelling goes away.[/QUOTE]Steroids can reduce certain swelling short term but cause swelling long term. And swelling most certainly can be a chronic condition. You do not know what you are talking about. Just stop.
[QUOTE=Huacho;2917592]Elvis really wishes he could join the Amish. Dude, it's not a club.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2917606]Yes, Huacho, you are a predictably stupid liar at this point.
[/QUOTE]Not a Surprise. Your lack of education is shining through once again. You shouldn't use big words (like "lie") that you don't understand.
Did you ever go to college? Did you ever take a philosophy course?
Let me give you some clarification. If I say that "Joe Biden is a much better President than was Donald Trump. " You may disagree. Say whatever you want.
BUT it isn't a "lie" it is an "opinion". An opinion may or may not have a factual basis. Even you, Elvis, can have an opinion without being a liar.
Here is another: I tell you today's date is Saturday May 24th, 2024. Well, that isn't true, is it? Today is Saturday, May 25th 2024. Was that a lie? Of course not!
It wasn't a lie, it wasn't an opinion. It was a mistake. What is the difference between a lie and a mistake? Intent! If I was intentionally trying to deceive you then it was a lie.
If it was unintentional then it was a mistake.
But wait! There is more.
What if you profess your admiration for the Amish sect and their refusal to have the members of their sect vaccinated because it goes against their medieval religious beliefs.
Someone comes along and states that you wish to join their sect. Is that a lie? Of course not! It is a statement made to highlight the stupidity of your previous comments.
Is it factual? Only you can answer that. But it can't be a lie because it wasn't an intentional statement trying to deceive anyone.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2917630]I understand that's "their" definition, but it's not a correct definition. if I stayed around to see them explain polio as a swelling at the base of the spine, I'd probably have said a few choice words, before walking away. Polio isn't a swelling.
.[/QUOTE]Thats good. Bcos its not what I wrote nor how the defined. They say it is a paralysis.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2917868]Someone comes along and states that you wish to join their sect. Is that a lie? Of course not!
Is it factual? Only you can answer that. But it can't be a lie because it wasn't an intentional statement trying to deceive anyone.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2917391]
And no, I do not love the Amish or want to be a part of their group. I love freedom and as someone who loves freedom, that means leaving the Amish the fuck alone.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Villainy;2917868]What if you profess your admiration for the Amish sect and their refusal to have the members of their sect vaccinated because it goes against their medieval religious beliefs.[/QUOTE]And now you are lying.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2917868]Not a Surprise. Your lack of education is shining through once again. You shouldn't use big words (like "lie") that you don't understand.
Did you ever go to college? Did you ever take a philosophy course?[/QUOTE]Is that your excuse when you lie about people? Saying you are more educated than people? That sounds like something you would do. Great "group" you belong to.
And your "group" is voting for this guy: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wso4sTKT6jw[/URL].