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[QUOTE=SnakeEyes; 1404343]Sauro,

I only know HJ joints at the moment. I've read about the one opposite / beside COEX City Terminal but have not tried it.

There is one HJ place in Myeongdong (near Shinsegye Department Store) called 'Green Massage'

[url]http://dmaps.kr/e6ts[/url]

3rd floor above the Samgyetang (ginseng chicken) restaurant. The ladies are in their late 30s and 40s, but a couple of them have great racks and slim legs. Ladies try to dress and sound young, right down to the "moans".

May be your kind of place, for 80k won. Definitely foreigner friendly.[/QUOTE]Thanks brother. I am quite familiar with paid joints, but I was looking for freebie MILFs, places where bored middle aged women go and look for young guys or non koreans.

Any hints?

Cheers,

Sauro

[QUOTE=SnakeEyes; 1404535]You see the small squarish block behind the white car? That's the place. As you said, it doesn't give hint. Used to be a Thai massage parlor there.

Since I had trouble typing in Korean, will give you the English-equivalent. It is called DokSinGaJok (if you read Korean then you will be able to make out the words in black). Right below the black words are 'Men's only spa' in Korean.

Good luck![/QUOTE]Thanks. I see it now. Dunno how I overlooked the words "men only sauna" the first time I looked.

Now, in your report, you didn't give any indication whether you were allowed to touch / roam your hands over any parts of the 20-something lady who finished you off. Can you?

[QUOTE=JookMeUp; 1404683]Thanks. I see it now. Dunno how I overlooked the words "men only sauna" the first time I looked.

Now, in your report, you didn't give any indication whether you were allowed to touch / roam your hands over any parts of the 20-something lady who finished you off. Can you?[/QUOTE]Touching is allowed; in fact she will climb all over you to kiss your body. I've never had the chance to roam beyond her boobs, so maybe you will have more luck. Let us know.

I'll also be staying at the Conrad and saw someone ask about it before but didn't see any replies. Any help?

I had an overnight before and didn't have any success. Went to a ma-sa-ji place in Gangnam down the street from the Burger King but I'm assuming they wouldn't take foreigners because the girl just said "no". Went across the big street to a place with 2 spinning barber poles. The sign on the stairs to the basement had caricatures of people singing so I passed.

Walked around and went to another place on the 3rd floor of a bldg and it looked like some sex toy shop. I didn't go in but now am wondering if any shops here also have something to offer also.

If there is nothing around the Conrad, can anyone recommend a place I can tell a taxi driver that isn't too far away?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sugoi; 1404728]I'll also be staying at the Conrad and saw someone ask about it before but didn't see any replies. Any help?

I had an overnight before and didn't have any success. Went to a ma-sa-ji place in Gangnam down the street from the Burger King but I'm assuming they wouldn't take foreigners because the girl just said "no". Went across the big street to a place with 2 spinning barber poles. The sign on the stairs to the basement had caricatures of people singing so I passed.

Walked around and went to another place on the 3rd floor of a bldg and it looked like some sex toy shop. I didn't go in but now am wondering if any shops here also have something to offer also.

If there is nothing around the Conrad, can anyone recommend a place I can tell a taxi driver that isn't too far away?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you look at page 4 of this forum, there is a post by Nick Belane V2 about massage by college students in Yeouido. Those places are within 5-10 mins drive from Conrad. It's about 20 mins by foot. You could ask the taxi driver to drive you to one of those streets, or ask him to bring you to the Indonesian Embassy. It's also easy for you to return to Conrad from the embassy; always a stream of taxis waiting.

[QUOTE=Nick Belane V2; 1397896]Yeoido has a few options for the solo pilot.

The area is littered with barber-shop pole joints. But like anywhere, this is very hit or miss. The staff turnover is heavy and where one week you were serviced by a charming young thing, the next she may have been replaced by a 50-year-old hag. But I have had reasonably consistent luck in a few places. The first is on Yeouidaebang-ro 65-gil in the basement of the Hosung building. You will recognise it by the Domino's Pizza and Tara Printing / DHL outlets on the street level. The second is called Yeodaesaeng Massage in the basement directly across the street from the Indonesian embassy on Yeouidaebang-ro. The building is covered in very distinctive blue panel siding. Orange Massage on the 4th floor of the same building can sometimes be okay. The third is on the 4th floor of the Hyongwoo building on Gukjemyung-ro. It is a yellowish brick next to the Lotte Castle Ivy complex. All are HJ joints on the surface but FS is almost always available after settling a price (to be negotiated with the girl during the course of events, never beforehand with the mama at the front desk). BTW, if you happen to encounter a place called Mind Control (sign is in English) , run across the street and avoid at all costs.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this info. Do you know how much are the massages and how much more for the FS?

There are supposedly joints where the women are served by men. Let's say booking in reversal. Women at the table, waiters bring men to the table. Never been to one though.

[QUOTE=Sauro07; 1404676]Thanks brother. I am quite familiar with paid joints, but I was looking for freebie MILFs, places where bored middle aged women go and look for young guys or non koreans.

Any hints?

Cheers,

Sauro[/QUOTE]

[quote=snakeeyes;1404879]thanks for this info. do you know how much are the massages and how much more for the fs?[/quote]snakeeyes and for anyone else interested in the massages.

i've frequented massage places around seoul over the years so will put down some basic info for anyone new to them (lots of this of course can be found throughout the forum in different.

places. to start with i'll say that i look for a good massage with oil and a he. i don't look for or want anything beyond that and have had a few offers for bj but have turned them down.

so my info is helpful for those looking for a massage and he!

there are lots of different signs to get used to. to put it simply, if you see any kind of spinning barbershop style sign with massage or sports massage or aroma massage (oil massage) or hotel massage on it (&47560; &49324; &51648; or &49828; &54252; &52768; &47560; &49324; &51648; or &50500; &47196; &47560; &47560; &49324; &51648; or &54840; &53588; &49885; &47560; &49324; &51648, its going to have he and probably a decent to very good massage. in those normal (and very very easy to find) places, there will often be 3 options.

1. a cheap massage (maybe 50, 000) that will be a sports massage without oil (oil massage in korean is an 'aroma' massage '&50500; &47196; &47560; '). i can' say whether the cheapest option has he since i

never go for that one. i like the oil. also this is max 1 hour.

2. a second tier massage that will costs between 70-100 and will always include &50500; &47196; &47560; (aroma. oil) and a he. this is usually between 1 hour and 1 hour and 40 minutes.

3. a third tier massage that will often cost around 120, 000, and from what i've been told is the same as the second tier massage but longer and often involves a proper foot bath (and of course a he). (2 hours).

now, if you go in feel free to ask directly if there is he. which in korean is the english word 'service' pronounced in the korean way. even if your korean is poor and you say 'service yes' or with a gesture they will understand and tell you. i speak korean quite well and they are perfectly happy to tell you what the pricing involves. some girls have told me the worst part of their job is drunken ajoshis (guys) who demand sex at the end even though its clearly not a full service place, so they like to be clear when asked and its not like in the states where it has to be hush hush. ask and you won't be disappointed. to be honest, your service will be better if you ask since they will know you are cool with the he part of it.

many places with the spinny signs mentioned above will have only one price (between 70-100) and if that is the case it will be option 2 above.

another option is the chinese places (&51473; &44397; &47560; &49324; &51648; or &51473; &44397; &54889; &49892; &47560; &49324; &51648, which has similar and sometimes slightly more expensive pricing. these places are harder to read since even many of these places without the spinny barbeshop poles will have he (if they are on a spinny pole sign they are definitely he). even if there is no spinny sign you will often get he, but i've been in places with no he and some places with service beyond he (the girl takes her top off and licks all over). i like the chinese girls because they can be more playful and often like to talk since they are away from home. they all speak korean so if you can it helps. i've had a few who knew more english than any korean massage girls. having said that, i'd avoid places that cost 100, 000 just because they like to charge a premium for the foreign girls but the quality is generally no better.

in the chinese places you will know if he is involved by the time. if there is an option for 100, 000, and its a 2 hour option, there's no he (in these places though. you will have a great massage for 2 hours). if the 100, 000 option is 1 hr 40 minutes or 1 hr 20 minutes it will have a happy ending. but again just ask, its almost always a girl at the desk so its easy to ask!

now i can say that while most of the above mentioned places don't go beyond he, a slim few of them will get into bjs or many of the girls will let you touch wherever. this is where your personality will have a big effect (and to be honest your korean ability). most of the girls are keen to talk if you can, since they are in those rather dodgy environments 24/7, usually 6 days a week, and like most koreans are keen to chat with you if language isn't a barrier. if you chat it up, by the end many girls will let you pull down their panties, take off their tops, etc. of course every girl is different so it depends, but be friendly and at the end if you want to roam. ask! i've had many say yes, a few say 'only softly' and i only remember once where a girl actually said 'no'. and with many of them, after a second or third visit its do as you like (within reason).

with all of them i think its the golden rule. be friendly, ask, and you should have a good experience. now the question is for me, when i'm dropping 80, 000, is 'am i getting a good massage? '. i certainly am not paying 80, 000 for the he (though that helps). most of the places mentioned above will have good. great massages (and i frequented licensed therapists back in england so i think i have a good perspective). i even ask at the front desk sometimes 'do you give a good massage? ' (&47560; &49324; &51648; &51096; &54644; &50836; ?. masaji chal haeyo) to let it be known that i want someone they consider 'good'. the massage lasts for well over an hour the he just a few minutes (or shorter. so the massage quality comes first in my mind. also, its an unfortunate fact but often the younger hotter girls are worse at giving massages. many of the 40 something ladies are strong and not lazy, so i almost prefer them. they are usually quite good looking anyway for their age. the chinese places often have younger girls and some of them are good at massage some just average. but at least no terrible massages.

if the sign says '&45224; &49457; &51204; &50857; ' it means, basically, 'for men' and there will definitely be he and probably even more. i personally don't go to these places since i"m just looking for a proper massage and he, but if you want more you should look for those places! another fairly common sign is '&45224; &49457; &55092; &44172; &53605; ' which means something like 'men's relaxation room' and i'm pretty sure these places are cheap anmas, with massage and full service. have never tried but have been quoted around 140, 000 so i'm pretty sure that is what is happening.

here is a place i highly recommend. go in the door next to alpha and up to the massage place (i think 5th floor).

[url]http://me2.do/x7prcjuc[/url]

for 70, 000 you get a good massage and a good he with very friendly ladies. they also like to massage the anus (&51320; &51077; &49328; jol-ib-san) if you ask. they are in their 40s but rather attractive and very profession. also fully private rooms with doors (no curtains).

[QUOTE=SnakeEyes;1404877]If you look at page 4 of this forum, there is a post by Nick Belane V2 about massage by college students in Yeouido. Those places are within 5-10 mins drive from Conrad. It's about 20 mins by foot. You could ask the taxi driver to drive you to one of those streets, or ask him to bring you to the Indonesian Embassy. It's also easy for you to return to Conrad from the embassy; always a stream of taxis waiting.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I did see that but didn't know how close that was. What time are they open until?

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=JookMeUp; 1403750]This place?

[url]http://dmaps.kr/e5ya[/url][/QUOTE]I believe that is the right place, I tried going last week between 11 and midnight. Lights on but doors locked. Guess she had a customer. After 3 tries in an hour, gave up and went home.

[QUOTE=Nick Belane V2; 1397896]Yeoido has a few options for the solo pilot.

The area is littered with barber-shop pole joints. But like anywhere, this is very hit or miss. The staff turnover is heavy and where one week you were serviced by a charming young thing, the next she may have been replaced by a 50-year-old hag. But I have had reasonably consistent luck in a few places. The first is on Yeouidaebang-ro 65-gil in the basement of the Hosung building. You will recognise it by the Domino's Pizza and Tara Printing / DHL outlets on the street level. The second is called Yeodaesaeng Massage in the basement directly across the street from the Indonesian embassy on Yeouidaebang-ro. The building is covered in very distinctive blue panel siding. Orange Massage on the 4th floor of the same building can sometimes be okay. The third is on the 4th floor of the Hyongwoo building on Gukjemyung-ro. It is a yellowish brick next to the Lotte Castle Ivy complex. All are HJ joints on the surface but FS is almost always available after settling a price (to be negotiated with the girl during the course of events, never beforehand with the mama at the front desk). BTW, if you happen to encounter a place called Mind Control (sign is in English) , run across the street and avoid at all costs.

There are a number of themed bottle-service bars where the girls (mostly hot university students, a surprising number of whom speak passable English) are dressed as either sexy sailors, stewardesses, in bikinis or lingerie. This can be a tough nut to crack. Up front they will tell you they cannot date customers but it's just something they have to say. If you can put in some time, a dinner date and more is not impossible. I have enjoyed some success in these places but of course it helps that I am devastatingly handsome with a flawless personality that charm the knickers off even the frostiest of ice queens. The sidewalks are usually covered in flyers advertising and giving directions to these places.

And last there are the business clubs. I won't go into this because like any other neighbourhood where these joints are found, you must be accompanied by a Korean.[/QUOTE]I'm copying this based on SnakeEyes' reply. What price can I expect in this area and do you know what time they are open until?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SnakeEyes;1404702]Touching is allowed; in fact she will climb all over you to kiss your body. I've never had the chance to roam beyond her boobs, so maybe you will have more luck. Let us know.[/QUOTE]What was she wearing? Did she strip down to her panties to allow access to ger boobs? Or did you have to fumble under / over a bra / bikini top?

[QUOTE=JookMeUp;1405066]What was she wearing? Did she strip down to her panties to allow access to ger boobs? Or did you have to fumble under / over a bra / bikini top?[/QUOTE]It was one of those lacy tops. She didn't strip down but it was easy to gain access to her boobs.

The couple of times that I was there, it was with a skinny girl with tattoos.

[QUOTE=Pastor45; 1404988]SnakeEyes and for anyone else interested in the massages.

I've frequented massage places around Seoul over the years so will put down some basic info for anyone new to them (lots of this of course can be found throughout the forum in different.

Places. To start with I'll say that I look for a good massage with oil and a HE. I don't look for or want anything beyond that and have had a few offers for BJ but have turned them down.

So my info is helpful for those looking for a massage and HE![/QUOTE]Awesome post! Thanks!

[quote=snakeeyes;1404879]thanks for this info. do you know how much are the massages and how much more for the fs?[/quote]i am reposting this because the last post got messed up. i didn't realize putting korean characters into the post would mess it up. i'm a new poster so i'm learning! anyway i've cleaned up the korean i wrote to make it easier to read.

snakeeyes and for anyone else interested in the massages. i've frequented massage places around seoul over the years so will put down some basic info for anyone new to them (lots of this of course can be found throughout the forum in different posts).

places. to start with i'll say that i look for a good massage with oil and a he. i don't look for or want anything beyond that and have had a few offers for bj but have turned them down. so my info is helpful for those looking for a massage and he!

there are lots of different signs to get used to. to put it simply, if you see any kind of spinning barbershop style sign with massage or sports massage or aroma massage (oil massage) or hotel massage on it, its going to have he and probably a decent to very good massage. in those normal (and very very easy to find) places, there will often be 3 options.

1. a cheap massage (maybe 50, 000) that will be a sports massage without oil (oil massage in korean is an 'aroma' massage). i can't say whether the cheapest option has he since i never go for that one. i like the oil. also this is max 1 hour.

2. a second tier massage that will costs between 70-100 and will always oil or aroma as koreans say, and a he. this is usually between 1 hour and 1 hour and 40 minutes.

3. a third tier massage that will often cost around 120, 000, and from what i've been told is the same as the second tier massage but longer and often involves a proper foot bath (and of course a he). (2 hours).

now, if you go in feel free to ask directly if there is he. which in korean is the english word 'service' pronounced in the korean way. even if your korean is poor and you say 'service yes' or with a gesture they will understand and tell you. i speak korean quite well and they are perfectly happy to tell you what the pricing involves. some girls have told me the worst part of their job is drunken ajoshis (guys) who demand sex at the end even though its clearly not a full service place, so they like to be clear when asked and its not like in the states where it has to be hush hush. ask and you won't be disappointed. to be honest, your service will be better if you ask since they will know you are cool with the he part of it.

many places with the spinny signs mentioned above will have only one price (between 70-100) and if that is the case it will be option 2 above.

another option are the chinese places, which have similar and sometimes slightly more expensive pricing. these places are harder to read since even many of these places without the spinny barbeshop poles will have he (if they are on a spinny pole sign they are definitely he). even if there is no spinny sign you will often get he, but i've been in places with no he and some places with service beyond he (the girl takes her top off and licks all over). i like the chinese girls because they can be more playful and often like to talk since they are away from home. they all speak korean so if you can it helps. i've had a few who knew more english than any korean massage girls. having said that, i'd avoid places that cost 100, 000 just because they like to charge a premium for the foreign girls but the quality is generally no better.

in the chinese places you will know if he is involved by the time. if there is an option for 100, 000, and its a 2 hour option, there's no he (in these places though. you will have a great massage for 2 hours). if the 100, 000 option is 1 hr 40 minutes or 1 hr 20 minutes it will have a happy ending. but again just ask, its almost always a girl at the desk so its easy to ask!

now i can say that while most of the above mentioned places don't go beyond he, a slim few of them will get into bjs or many of the girls will let you touch wherever. this is where your personality will have a big effect (and to be honest your korean ability). most of the girls are keen to talk if you can, since they are in those rather dodgy environments 24/7, usually 6 days a week, and like most koreans are keen to chat with you if language isn't a barrier. if you chat it up, by the end many girls will let you pull down their panties, take off their tops, etc. of course every girl is different so it depends, but be friendly and at the end if you want to roam. ask! i've had many say yes, a few say 'only softly' and i only remember once where a girl actually said 'no'. and with many of them, after a second or third visit its do as you like (within reason).

with all of them i think its the golden rule. be friendly, ask, and you should have a good experience. now the question is for me, when i'm dropping 80, 000, is 'am i getting a good massage? '. i certainly am not paying 80, 000 for the he (though that helps). most of the places mentioned above will have good if not great massages (and i frequented licensed therapists back in england so i think i have a good perspective). i even ask at the front desk sometimes 'do you give a good massage? ' to let it be known that i want someone they consider 'good'. the massage lasts for well over an hour the he just a few minutes or shorter lol. so the massage quality comes first in my mind. also, its an unfortunate fact but often the younger hotter girls are worse at giving massages. many of the 40 something ladies are strong and not lazy, so i almost prefer them. they are usually quite good looking anyway for their age. the chinese places often have younger girls and some of them are good at massage some just average. but at least no terrible massages.

if the price is around 140, 000 its probably a 'male only' place and will involve full service, like an an-ma, but a cheaper version of it.

here is a place i highly recommend. go in the door next to alpha and up to the massage place (i think 5th floor).

[url]http://me2.do/x7prcjuc[/url]

for 70, 000 you get a good massage and a good he with very friendly ladies. they also like to massage the anus if you ask. they are in their 40s but rather attractive and very profession. also fully private rooms with doors (no curtains).