Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2470971]I'm hoping 400 isn't the new norm. This sounds like it's creeping slowly towards $500 and I just have something against a half grand for a night of fun. I probably spend 500 in total, but that includes the food, drinks, cabs, etc, not cash directly to the girl.

That 300 number is my sweet spot personally or I try to work out something that's a bit non traditional. When I'm in a new city, I would tell the SB that I'll be in her city very often meaning weeks at a time, therefore I need a weekly price, don't hit me with this PPM shit. This approach has been a winner and it gets them out of the mentality of wanting cash every time we meet. I have had good deals that weren't fully cash based and they were great. Note: I have never been able to pull this off in the US.

Have any of you guys been able to work out trade or anything with an SB that wasn't simply cash for ass.

02.[/QUOTE]400 isn't the equilibrium price for the entire market. I am just saying that if every girl in a LOCAL market is quoting the same price, then that's probably the equilibrium price of the local market. In SF, the equilibrium price was 500 a few years ago when I was active in SF. Some girls quoted 400, but they were on the wrong side of being a 7. Some girls quoted higher than 500, but eventually, they couldn't get enough action and most came down to 500 or disappeared. In other cities, the equilibrium price will usually be lower. For example, in Portland, OR, it seemed like the equilibrium price was 300. In Las Vegas, the price was also 300 from what I recall.

Of the 23-25 SBs that I had, about half were NOT pay for play. For them, I just paid for everything, such as food, drinks, hotels, trips, etc. None of those gals ever asked for money. A couple of gals were PPM for the first time, but they had pretty fun time with me and so they said I didn't have to pay them anymore, but this only happened maybe 2-3 times. But I was a pretty easy going, relatively fit, and decent looking guy back then. In a matter of only a few years, my age has suddenly caught up with me (for example, half my hair is white now, but back then I didn't have any white hair, and I now suddenly have a ton of wrinkles), and so I doubt I could score a non-PPM gal on SA anymore.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2471082]400 isn't the equilibrium price for the entire market. I am just saying that if every girl in a LOCAL market is quoting the same price, then that's probably the equilibrium price of the local market. In SF, the equilibrium price was 500 a few years ago when I was active in SF. Some girls quoted 400, but they were on the wrong side of being a 7. Some girls quoted higher than 500, but eventually, they couldn't get enough action and most came down to 500 or disappeared. In other cities, the equilibrium price will usually be lower. For example, in Portland, OR, it seemed like the equilibrium price was 300. In Las Vegas, the price was also 300 from what I recall.
.[/QUOTE]In my local market $500 is the quoted price but it's the inclusions for this that varies. Some girls will do overnight for $500, some all afternoon, some will be 2 hours for $500. I had one girls that would travel with me for $500 per week. Some will have zero flexibility with $500 others will totally accommodate for $500.

In considering the 'price' it means nothing without also consider the service. Within their peer groups, the girls may say they get $500 per week but maybe they are not so specific on what each of them does for $500.

In considering opening offers, $500 maybe the price point but you could always increase her performance requirements to sex twice per week etc.

It's the girls that say $500 per meet for two hours are the ones I avoid as there is no upside.

PP.

So I've gone from nearly batting 1000 to batting like a chump in the last two encounters. And they had a common thread. You may recall Courtney — very nice vibe. Real pics. Girlfriendy. Arrange a meetup. And when I show she says she needs CashApp to get there. Damn. An anomaly?

A couple days ago I found a girl. Nice enough but clearly a pro. Says she can host. We text a little. Agree to meetup. She gives me the road she lives on a day or so ahead and it's a pretty nice area. Slight alert there. Then we are to meetup today. I tell her I am on my way and she gives me the house number. Arrive but need a unit number. I now have a text — oh did we talk about how I need CashApp because I've been burned before? NO we did not fucking talk about that or I wouldn't have driven over here you be*tch!

WTF. Two very extensive catfishes with me driving to meetup. Feel like a total chump. Not quitting but damn that was discouraging. Just FYI it's not all roses. Even for a pro.

That receptionist that I tried to make into "an arrangement" kept giving me the run-around. She kept making excuses to not meet. Eventually, I just told her that I won't bother her anymore. She replied something about how I'm selfish, or something like that. I didn't understand what she meant by that. I tried to be very accommodative regarding her schedule, and I even said that we could meet whenever she wanted, but she would let a week go by and never saying anything. So, I gave up. I guess you cannot make a girl into something that she didn't want to be in the first place. Also, I realize that I could have taken a different approach, but it needed to be an arrangement, because I did not want her to think this was a real relationship.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2471307]So I've gone from nearly batting 1000 to batting like a chump in the last two encounters. And they had a common thread. You may recall Courtney very nice vibe. Real pics. Girlfriendy. Arrange a meetup. And when I show she says she needs CashApp to get there. Damn. An anomaly?

A couple days ago I found a girl. Nice enough but clearly a pro. Says she can host. We text a little. Agree to meetup. She gives me the road she lives on a day or so ahead and it's a pretty nice area. Slight alert there. Then we are to meetup today. I tell her I am on my way and she gives me the house number. Arrive but need a unit number. I now have a text oh did we talk about how I need CashApp because I've been burned before? NO we did not fucking talk about that or I wouldn't have driven over here you be*tch!

WTF. Two very extensive catfishes with me driving to meetup. Feel like a total chump. Not quitting but damn that was discouraging. Just FYI it's not all roses. Even for a pro.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2471307]So I've gone from nearly batting 1000 to batting like a chump in the last two encounters. And they had a common thread. You may recall Courtney very nice vibe. Real pics. Girlfriendy. Arrange a meetup. And when I show she says she needs CashApp to get there. Damn. An anomaly?

A couple days ago I found a girl. Nice enough but clearly a pro. Says she can host. We text a little. Agree to meetup. She gives me the road she lives on a day or so ahead and it's a pretty nice area. Slight alert there. Then we are to meetup today. I tell her I am on my way and she gives me the house number. Arrive but need a unit number. I now have a text oh did we talk about how I need CashApp because I've been burned before? NO we did not fucking talk about that or I wouldn't have driven over here you be*tch!

WTF. Two very extensive catfishes with me driving to meetup. Feel like a total chump. Not quitting but damn that was discouraging. Just FYI it's not all roses. Even for a pro.[/QUOTE]Probably bother scammers, probably not even there.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2471307]WTF. Two very extensive catfishes with me driving to meetup. Feel like a total chump. Not quitting but damn that was discouraging. Just FYI it's not all roses. Even for a pro.[/QUOTE]Steve,

There are two kinds of people who use. Those who bat 1.000 and those like you who tell the truth. I am so glad to see that you are in the latter group.

I have a 10 in Brazil who is promising the world, and I cannot for the life of me tell if she is playing me or is a dream come true. Usually, I can put odds on this and say "There is a 90% chance she is full of it. " but with her, I am still at 50-50. If she comes through though, that is why we play the game. You do not hit home runs by playing it safe. To find the trifecta, a beautiful woman with a fun personality who is great in the sack takes a lot of time, energy, and money. There is no short cut, and that is why when you hit the trifecta, it is so great in this game. It is what guys who just pay for sex do not get.

I think it's stories like this that keep me off of SA despite its allure. I've noticed this about me: a negative encounter has a stronger, longer lasting effect on me than a positive one. So something like this would knock me off the game for quite a while. I have a limit to how much aggravation and humiliation even I'm willing to endure for the sake of pussy. I used to see a legendary escort locally, centerfold quality looks and solid GFE / PSE service. She 'retired' but agreed to continue seeing me. When it was on it was as good as anything I had in Brazil. But I finally had to cut her loose because she would flake spectacularly every 4-5 encounters. Those flaky times, her way of staying in control, eventually blotted out the pleasure of the good times.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2471307]So I've gone from nearly batting 1000 to batting like a chump in the last two encounters. And they had a common thread. You may recall Courtney very nice vibe. Real pics. Girlfriendy. Arrange a meetup. And when I show she says she needs CashApp to get there. Damn. An anomaly?

A couple days ago I found a girl. Nice enough but clearly a pro. Says she can host. We text a little. Agree to meetup. She gives me the road she lives on a day or so ahead and it's a pretty nice area. Slight alert there. Then we are to meetup today. I tell her I am on my way and she gives me the house number. Arrive but need a unit number. I now have a text oh did we talk about how I need CashApp because I've been burned before? NO we did not fucking talk about that or I wouldn't have driven over here you be*tch!

WTF. Two very extensive catfishes with me driving to meetup. Feel like a total chump. Not quitting but damn that was discouraging. Just FYI it's not all roses. Even for a pro.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2471307]So I've gone from nearly batting 1000 to batting like a chump in the last two encounters. And they had a common thread. You may recall Courtney very nice vibe. Real pics. Girlfriendy. Arrange a meetup. And when I show she says she needs CashApp to get there. Damn. An anomaly?

A couple days ago I found a girl. Nice enough but clearly a pro. Says she can host. We text a little. Agree to meetup. She gives me the road she lives on a day or so ahead and it's a pretty nice area. Slight alert there. Then we are to meetup today. I tell her I am on my way and she gives me the house number. Arrive but need a unit number. I now have a text oh did we talk about how I need CashApp because I've been burned before? NO we did not fucking talk about that or I wouldn't have driven over here you be*tch!

WTF. Two very extensive catfishes with me driving to meetup. Feel like a total chump. Not quitting but damn that was discouraging. Just FYI it's not all roses. Even for a pro.[/QUOTE]A scammer for sure Steve. Report her profile to SA. SA is very responsive. I think they try hard to weed out the scammers.

The chics who mention CashApp are all scammers. Heck, there may not be even a chic behind the profile.

[QUOTE=PilotPaul;2471095]In my local market $500 is the quoted price but it's the inclusions for this that varies. Some girls will do overnight for $500, some all afternoon, some will be 2 hours for $500. I had one girls that would travel with me for $500 per week. Some will have zero flexibility with $500 others will totally accommodate for $500.

In considering the 'price' it means nothing without also consider the service. Within their peer groups, the girls may say they get $500 per week but maybe they are not so specific on what each of them does for $500.

In considering opening offers, $500 maybe the price point but you could always increase her performance requirements to sex twice per week etc.

It's the girls that say $500 per meet for two hours are the ones I avoid as there is no upside.

PP.[/QUOTE]Agreed. In my market, I have been quoted anywhere from $300 to $1,000 PPM. However, the number of hours included in a PPM varies from girl to girl. It's best to clarity the PPM's "number of hours" with your chic so there won't be any surprise. One chic told me for $300, she will spend 1-2 hours in the hotel. Another chic told me for $400, it's dinner and then about 1. 5 hours in hotel.

SA is so different from FKK Globe, which is my pre-COVID playground. Each chic on SA sets her own price and rules. I can't assume anything. I will have to clarify with each chic the specifics of the arrangement.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2471587]Agreed. In my market, I have been quoted anywhere from $300 to $1,000 PPM. However, the number of hours included in a PPM varies from girl to girl. It's best to clarity the PPM's "number of hours" with your chic so there won't be any surprise. One chic told me for $300, she will spend 1-2 hours in the hotel. Another chic told me for $400, it's dinner and then about 1. 5 hours in hotel.

SA is so different from FKK Globe, which is my pre-COVID playground. Each chic on SA sets her own price and rules. I can't assume anything. I will have to clarify with each chic the specifics of the arrangement.[/QUOTE]The 300-1000 range that you shared has been my experience too. Connected with a girl that claims to be 20 year athlete and 1 K per meeting. Was way higher than what I was expecting!

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2471587]Agreed. In my market, I have been quoted anywhere from $300 to $1,000 PPM. However, the number of hours included in a PPM varies from girl to girl. It's best to clarity the PPM's "number of hours" with your chic so there won't be any surprise. One chic told me for $300, she will spend 1-2 hours in the hotel. Another chic told me for $400, it's dinner and then about 1. 5 hours in hotel.[/QUOTE]This discussion that services and number of hours can vary is odd to me. We are on SA to hire a GF, not a pro. And a GF should NOT specify services and number of hours per date.

If we agree on 400 or 500, then by default that means we should then stop talking about the money and just have a good time. This means bar hopping, gambling, drinking, dancing, holding hands, eating, site-seeing, etc. And then going back to the room for great sex and then passing out. Next morning, maybe get breakfast together. For her, the money should just be a bonus, and not the only reason why she dates me.

If a gal on SA told me that the date would be for 2 hours or 4 hours, then I would take a pass. I could find a real pro for that, and with little time and effort. This is why many of us spend so much time on SA, to hire a great GF, not to hire a pro. My arrangements always stayed until the date felt like it was naturally coming to an end, almost always the next day. Yes, I did have many girls tell me that the date would be for 4 hours, but I never agreed to meet any of them. I didn't use SA to find someone that only wanted to see me for money. I already hire pros for that.

[QUOTE=Luminous;2471660]The 300-1000 range that you shared has been my experience too. Connected with a girl that claims to be 20 year athlete and 1 K per meeting. Was way higher than what I was expecting![/QUOTE]Did you ask her for 1 k, how much time will she spend with you?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2471678]This is why many of us spend so much time on SA, to hire a great GF, not to hire a pro. [/QUOTE]How much time / effort does it take to find these non-pros? Most of the ones I'm running into South Flordia are pros!

[QUOTE=Luminous;2471698]How much time / effort does it take to find these non-pros? Most of the ones I'm running into South Flordia are pros![/QUOTE]It takes a lot of time, but I enjoy it. Like I browse and chat EVERY DAY sometimes for a couple hours. This is probably overkill but remember the non-pros come on and go off pretty quickly. There is constant churn. So you have to be on a lot to catch the window.

I browsed south Florida for several weeks and found 3-4 that would have been quality meetups. Had Covid not hit I would be with one of them for sure. I think I posted a FR a few weeks back of a Columbiana I found in Miami last year. Semi-pro in that she knew what she was doing but it never felt escortish. Great experience.

Agree with Steve. When I was active on SA, I spent about 20 hours (sometimes more) per week on the site. Over a 20 month period, I had about two dozen great arrangements. You might think this is a huge waste of time, but when was the last time I had two dozen great GFs in less than 2 years? Answer: never.

A lot of skeptics may say it's not worth the time and effort, and say that I should just go with the pros. But here's the thing: being active on SA and being with pros is NOT mutually exclusive. During the 20 months while I was on SA, I still saw pros and went to FS AMPS, probably about twice (or more) per week.

But like Steve says, I enjoyed it while I was on it. If this doesn't sound enjoyable, then definitely don't do it. If someone were to say that this is a total waste of time, I probably would not argue with him that much.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2471701]It takes a lot of time, but I enjoy it. Like I browse and chat EVERY DAY sometimes for a couple hours. This is probably overkill but remember the non-pros come on and go off pretty quickly. There is constant churn. So you have to be on a lot to catch the window.

I browsed south Florida for several weeks and found 3-4 that would have been quality meetups. Had Covid not hit I would be with one of them for sure. I think I posted a FR a few weeks back of a Columbiana I found in Miami last year. Semi-pro in that she knew what she was doing but it never felt escortish. Great experience.[/QUOTE]