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I accept your conclusions about the MPs...I think they have merit with respect to cost, certainly. And, possibly even with respect to at least finding some selection.

Just as you pointed out that I may have had a misunderstanding about ample selection, you have perhaps also misunderstood that I have never promoted the clubs over anything, not other than to articulate my particular preferred kind of experience. The clubs are simply "my" source of chicas for salida, my preferred activity.

I must say, this afternoon, when I visited Faronas (#1), I was impressed with price, 160 pesos for a half hour is what I heard...I hope my Spanish was sufficient to have understood the dude correctly. Sound about right? Now, I went too early to find a decent selection, only two girls there at 3pm, but I was interested in checking it out.

The girls will start to trickle into the MPs at 4pm according to one of two girls in Faronas at 3pm. The window of opportunity will generally be between say 4pm, and 10pm, when most of them will close. So, that having been said, the operating hours of most MPs really separates the two venues with respect to timeliness, making the clubs almost your only option, at least for any kind of selection, after about 10pm on weeknights. I guess the MPs may be open later on weekends. I'll try to nail that down, or if anyone knows for sure they can post it here.

If I were advising someone to visit the MPs I would suggest between about 6pm and 9pm as the times with the best selection on weekdays.

Of the two in Faronas, one was doable, the other was just ok, but actually the one that was just ok was the nicer of two with respect to personality...Realizing that I visited too early at Faronas, I just took a walk over to Infinito, Givenchi, and Tangalay, and there were probably at least 25 girls working the bars between those three clubs, all within 50 feet of one another, with the largest number in Givechy believe it or not.

But, of the probably 10 girls in Infinito, I would have to say there were probably about 6-7 that were in the "very doable" category, and probably half of those were actually pretty damned HOT, all be it, obviously at a substantially increased price if choosing to take them on salida, and probably even at a slightly higher price were you to enjoy them in the privados compared to the MPs.

Now, maybe if I had visited a few more MPs, I would have found a few more doable girls. So, my research is far from over. And, I realize that this is an unscientific kind of assessment, also influenced by my own lack of discipline in giving the MPs a totally undistracted opportunity.

This afternoon, even with the clubs, I did something I rarely do. I rarely partake in any kind of services within the clubs. I almost always bar fine the girls for fun back at my hotel. I may do a privado or two, or even a few more, but the main purpose is interviewing for personality and potential. I rarely do anything with them other than talk, and a little light fondling.

Actually, I am kind of ashamed to admit it, but when I went to Tangalay this afternoon, after having the best of intentions to return to the MPs for further research between 6-7pm, a girl recognized me from my being in various clubs over the past four years, Pasarelas, Casino, and now, Tangalay. She came to my table, and her charm had me in the privados where I had full service from her for about 560pesos (covered of course), which included the several songs playing...

I think the actual cost for full service was 300 pesos. But, those of you that know me personally, must admit that in order for me to have done anything with her in the privados, I would have had to have been impressed by her charm, her potential for GFE outside the club, which I was. She was not the hottest girl in the bar, and she would have possibly been in the same category as a typical MP girl, but the key to my satisfaction is her personality and GFE potential.

I know...shit....I wanted to concentrate my efforts in the MPs, and I just succombed to her damned charms...She was really trying hard to get me to take full service from her in the privados, and now she is really, really, pushing for me to bar fine her tonight after 11pm, when she claims she will go with me for at least a few hours, maybe more, for 800 pesos...

She's is really pushing the bar fine thing, but suggesting instead, that for tonight we could meet after her shift, suggesting that for cost saving's sake, so I can avoid the bar fine. I don't know...of course, after all her pushing, I promised to come back to get her at 10pm, but I might just blow her off for later tonight. She was very insistant that she wants to go with me back to the hotel, and not at my urging...I like that kind of eagerness very much, even though I fully realize that her eagerness in motivated by greed, it still has a tendency to play into my preferred "attitudinal" preferences.

I just have too many options in the clubs, and it serves to distract me from my purpose. And, I might possibly have options, even for salida in the MPs, if I can just get focused, damn-it! I only have so many pops in me...I have to pace myself if I am going to enjoy my assessment of the MPs, that is, other than just visiting them just to do a census.

Mastermind,

I am wondering what times of the day you typically visited the clubs when you were in town, as well as the times that you found your best range of selection at the MPs.

Don't worry everyone...I know I was undisciplined and side tracked this afternoon, but, this aint over...I am committed to reporting as much as I can from both the clubs and the MPs, and I will make a non-biased report.

But, of course, we will all have our friendly disagreements on the experience we all respectively enjoy, and that's fine...But, at least when I am finished, I hope that by my reporting on the MPs, at least I will also demonstrate that I am part of the team here, and not the enemy. I hold absolutely no disrespect for guys that like to visit the MPs.

I leave now to visit Signore...I want to scope it out, and I'll report back here tomorrow. It's about 8:00pm.

[QUOTE=Mastermind]You have misunderstood me I think. Of course the strip clubs with dozens of girls are going to have the more ample selection than the MPs with less then ten girls. The thing I was saying was that it wasn't worth the price paid at the strip clubs for FS when I could get the same service (with even raunchier and more adventerous, but still attractive girls) at 1/3 the price and with 1/10 the time involved. While some of strip club girls were beautiful, the prices and the nickel and diming of the clients made for service that was way to expensive when compared to what I saw available at the MPs, where you just popped in and if you saw a chicas that you likes, you'd go back to the room and have at it. The strip clubs in Monterrey just didn't impress me and things if you let them would get way out of hand with the amount spent at the end of the night. I'm not cheap, but I refuse to be taken in for a sucker. Based on my experiences in Monterrey I was continuously more satisfied with my MP experiences than with my experiences at the strip clubs. Now, don't take me wrong the strip clubs were ok sometimes, but they are what they are everywhere- places where tourists come to empty their wallets for the chance to have sex with a stripper. In that respect Monterrey is no different than anywhere else in Mexico. However, the vast number of MPs is what makes Monterrey different and comparatiely cheap.[/QUOTE]

I visited Signore about 8pm Saturday night. There were about (8) girls available at that hour. Most of the girls appeared to be slightly older than what I generally find in the clubs. I would say that the older girls I saw were actually the hotter choices, maybe 30 years old, or slightly older, 32-33. The younger girls were almost all a little bigger built, not really to my liking. The older girls were well preserved however, and almost all of them would be considered very “doable” certainly, and the younger girls too, except with respect to the gorda issue.

The woman at Signore quoted me 150 pesos for ½ hour, and she told me that I should always show up no later than 9pm. So, that would also indicate that they close around 10pm, and that she meant for me to show up at least by 9pm. So, and I concluded, therefore, that most visitors opt for at least an hour of service, which would be 300 pesos for full service, F/S, all con condom of course. With respect to the hours of operation of the MPs, 10pm is a very early time to call it a night, another reason the Strip Clubs are virtually the only game in town after 10pm. This is a huge consideration, IMHO, and should not be overlooked. If you don't wrap it up, having all your fun prior to 10pm, and you don't want to go the strip clubs, then you are done for the rest of the night.

I had a very busy night last night...

I was up until 4am, after bar fining one of my favoritas from Pasarelas. I will report that experience in the USB section because it will be lengthy, and it will also contain a lot of personal observations about Signore and MPs in general, to include my perceptions about why I believe I prefer the salida experience over the MP experience generally speaking.

I do not wish to clog the regular board with that kind of detail. All are invited to read and comment in the USB section, selectable by pressing the Northern Mexico button at the Mexico forums selection area.

My intention is to actually partake in service in whichever of the MPs I find most intriguing after having canvassed a number of them. Stay tuned...

Ok,...

The rain started here last night around 6:30pm, just as I was starting to canvas the MPs. Just as I pulled up to Playboy I, the rains started. Playboy I literally had only one girl in attendance, and she we a skag. I immediately walked to Playboy II, which is just down the street from El Infinito, just about maybe 2 minutes on foot from Playboy I. There were three girls working in Playboy II. Only one of them was even remotely doable with the other two being rather large. Even the doable one would not have enticed me to select her were she dancing in one of the clubs. She would be considered a last resort, a "lesser of three evils" kind of selection.

If this is any representation of what can typically be found in Playboy, I will pass in the future. If anyone knows otherwise, that maybe other days of the week are superior, then I will be glad to check it out again.

Because the rain was starting to come down pretty heavy, I decided to abandon running around between the MPs. It's just too miserable to do that. I decided that because of the rain, I would just pop into the strip clubs to wait out the storm. I will report on that experience within the USB section so as not to post too lengthy a description here.

And, a question...frankly, which is more aggravating...reading long commentary here, or having to switch to an altogether different forum for a detailed description? I suspect those that do not appreciate the long winded commentary are reading it in the USB section anyway, or am I wrong.

I am trying to limit myself to shorter comentary here as requested. I am not mad about it, but it just seems kind of stupid to me to have to switch to another forum to read what is being posted about MTY, long winded or not. I am just trying to get along, but it all seems so counterproductive when there is literally nothing else being posted here otherwise....but peace on earth, and good will toward men...etc... :D

I just posted a review of the new privado room at Givenchy in the USB section, complete with lengthy commentary.

There are no MPs in the San Nicolas county.
For that you need to move to the Monterrey downtown area.

PD: am back from shopping in the McAllen Tx, area.


[QUOTE=Pecker Will]Are there any local MPs nearby (especially Asian)? If so, close to me? I prefer going out rather than any in call. I'll appreciate any input. Thx

PW[/QUOTE]

I visited two more MPs last night. I simply could not find anything I would touch with a ten foot pole, so I moved on. I know these are obscure establishments, and probably not worthy of assessment, but that´s really part of the problem. There are so many MPs in Monterrey, that you have to waste a huge amount of time canvassing them all to find doable prospects.

At this junture, about the only one I would waste time checking of all that I´ve seen so far, which is only a handfull of the plethera of small insignificant ones, is Signore. That one seems worth the effort.

The first one I visited last night was called El Libre. It has a rather expensive looking sign out front...looked pretty inviting. I walked in around 9:30pm. There were three girls, two of them were cows, the other was thinner, but still a skag. I just decided to move on to see if I could find another one with more selection. I believe they quoted 170 pesos for a half hour.

I visited one called Virgo, Madero No. 846. When I walked in there was one girl. I asked when the widest selection would be available, keeping in mind that it was already about 10:00pm (they are open 24 hours) and they said "this is it." The girl was NOT DOABLE, and they quoted 200 pesos for a half hour. They never did answer my questions as to when the largest selection was to be available.

Guys, this MP thing aint lookin' too promising, I gotta tell ya. The only one with any promise so far has been Signore, at least with respect to what I would term low to medium quality MPs in the price range that may make selection from the clubs less economical.

I would like to check out Misses and Romanos, and I fully intend to do so, but I may run out of time depending on my other activities. With the agenda so far, I just don´t want to continue to waste too much time canvassing what has proven so far to be a relatively disappointing venue, at least for me with respect to overall quality of selection compared to the clubs.

I realize that Misses and Romanos, and the higher end places like Versace, and such, will be akin to the same cost as bar fining from the clubs, so I have to weigh whether wasting my time to canvas them will be worth the investment of time. I mean, my cost in the clubs, if I play my cards right, has me paying close to, if not exactly the same as the medium level MPs. Read my reports in the USB section for greater cost analysis. These are summarized conclusions, and I will elaborate with some qualification to my conclusions in the USB section.

I have been very busy, almost experiencing battle fatigue with respect to my bar fines and the extent of my privado experiences. I used yesterday to abstain from any directly sexual activity whatsoever, just to conserve some energy for tonight. But, just for entertainment, I spent a ton on Jarras at Pasarelas, and a modest amount on my G Girl at Infinito in the privados. Details will be in the USB section. But, frankly, the ton spent on Jarras has nothing really to do with sexual gratification. It was simply entertainment for me, socializing and such. It of course, will pay dividends when I actually do bar fine those same girls, but I did not spend the money last night with any strategic investment strategy in mind...simply, I spent the money to entertain myself for hours on end...no sex.

I will report on last night's escapades, which consisted of visiting El Infinito to visit with my "G" girl, buying her two drinks, and about (6) privados, then stopping briefly into El Cielo to canvass a relatively poor "MP" quality of selection, and sitting in Pasarelas the rest of the night. The details can be found in the USB section eventually. For now, the internet is down in my hotel, and I had to come up to the computer store across from PDA to post this update. I'll get to the details in the USB section, time permitting. No rest for the weary and committed. Oh, in the MP canvas last night, I also have another hotel to offer up as an option, one that is relatively cheaper than PDA, and has wireless internet, and closer to ground zero. Details in the USB section later on.

I gotta tell you, for someone who is so anti MP's, you sure went out of your way on a mission you already did not expect to make significant changes and really put sincere effort. Thank you Bob. I am sure the readers appreciate everything you've don these past few days.

Great work.

Wasted


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]
I have been very busy, almost experiencing battle fatigue with respect to my bar fines and the extent of my privado experiences. I used yesterday to abstain from any directly sexual activity whatsoever, just to conserve some energy for tonight. But, just for entertainment, I spent a ton on Jarras at Pasarelas, and a modest amount on my G Girl at Infinito in the privados. Details will be in the USB section. But, frankly, the ton spent on Jarras has nothing really to do with sexual gratification. It was simply entertainment for me, socializing and such. It of course, will pay dividends when I actually do bar fine those same girls, but I did not spend the money last night with any strategic investment strategy in mind...simply, I spent the money to entertain myself for hours on end...no sex.
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I met with Carlos today, first at Prestige for the buffet, and even a quick run through the Obsession. Carlos has graciously agreed to take me on a tour of all the outlying MPs that form the periphery around the city. Apparently, he says most of them charge 200 pesos, and they are typically not easily accessible because I believe he said they are out a ways from El Centro. So, if we find some decent pickin's it could serve the board well for some other options. Report to follow...

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]I gotta tell you, for someone who is so anti MP's, you sure went out of your way on a mission you already did not expect to make significant changes and really put sincere effort. Thank you Bob. I am sure the readers appreciate everything you've don these past few days.

Great work.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the thank you. It occurs to me however, that the only reason I have sufficient material to populate these pages with information or escapades, is because I am spending huge sums of money in order to generate material to post. When I am back in the "wasteland," it will be business as usual, with my only having philosophical commentary to contribute. But, it is also precisely why I believe these pages are not typically populated with much of anything. It has nothing to do with intimidation or bullying, but more a matter of nobody mongering in Monterrey or choosing to report their experiences.

The last year or more, I have concentrated on spending less, and enjoying more. Many believe my exclusivity with Angry Girl initially, and then my "G" girl over the last 10 months, caused me to be too conservative, and frankly, one has significantly less to write if you are patronizing one girl with an almost legitimized romantic "relationship." MJ has articulated that I now seem happier, but I also have the increases in cost to consider in the overall assessment of my happiness. I fully expect to spend probably 30% or more than what I formerly did by being very conservative, thereby also having less material to write about with respect to diversity of experience.

The cost of patronizing both Angry Girl, and my "G" girl, was always very reasonable in comparison to what I've been doing all week. I have just resolved myself that if I am going to come down here, and spend what it takes to have fun. If the drama of romantically patronizing a girl like my "G" girls serves to frustrate me sometimes, then I am throwing money at the problem, and finding other options to fill the time. The key is filling the time with exciting alternatives to what "G" girl provides.

The MP guys are right with respect to total cost as it compares to the club action that I've been enjoying this week. But, conversely, if they also patronized the MPs with the same consumption of time, their expenditures would also be quite huge.

If the medium level MPs cost you an average of 400-500 pesos with tip, and you are in the MP for an hour at most, then if you multiply that by the number of hours I spend on salida or in the clubs cutting up with the girls, the cost is going to be just as prohibitive, and even more so were you to patronize MPs like Misses or Romanos at 1600 to 800 pesos respectively. It is still infinitely cheaper to kill time in the clubs than to patronize one of the higher end massage parlors for only an hour. I can kill time in the clubs, watching the girls dance, and spend no more than 210 pesos on a Coka Lite if I choose to. Or, I can spend a little more, at the right intervals, buy a girl drink, partake in a privado, and come away from the clubs a couple of hours later just as satisfied as if I had taken mechanical release at one of the MPs.

For my pesos, I have more fun in a club environment, and in the privacy of my hotel room if opting for a salida, versus with the MP environment. Certainly, with the amortization of time factored into the mix as it translates to per hour cost, I am doing much better than if I were to patronize the MPs for the same amounts of time.

There is certainly a place for the MP in this venue because not everyone has the logistical prowess, the desire, or the money to spend beyond one hour, and I realize that.

I am merely articulating my preferred range of activities, ones that if you compare the cost, which is probably around a $30-$40 an hour average in the clubs to around $40-$60 an hour in the MPs, and to be fair, maybe it's even a wash with respect to hourly cost in comparing the clubs and the MPs, then, for me, I fail to see the advantage of my patronizing the MPs, unless I have no desire to sit and interact with females other than to strictly have sex with them per se, something I am not interested in doing. If that is your goal, to strictly have sex, and to avoid interacting with girls on a personal level, then the MPs serve a very useful purpose...release.

I make these comparison not out of a desire for understanding or across the board agreement, but to articulate the difference between expectation of experience, expectation that is different for each and every individual monger based on their own circumstances. I do it mostly for those that may not have visited MTY, just so they know prior to coming, what to expect depending on which of the two camps they might identify with most. There is no right or wrong answer, MPs better, Clubs better...it is strictly personal preference.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]I gotta tell you, for someone who is so anti MP's, you sure went out of your way on a mission you already did not expect to make significant changes and really put sincere effort. Thank you Bob. I am sure the readers appreciate everything you've don these past few days.

Great work.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

I am sure everyone is well aware of this, however, never bring drugs or anything illegal into these clubs. At around 2:30 this morning, no less than 25 heavily-armed federales came into the Tangelay and searched almost half the patrons in the club. Mag-lites, video cameras, 9mm's along with bullet-prooof vests. The girl I was with, Stephanie, had to leave our table and go into the girls room to open her locker and display its contents. The whole fiasco went on for about 15-20 minutes with no arrests.

I'll tell you this, if Wall Street had these guys monitoring the CDO markets, we would not be in the mess that we are currrently in. Did anyone watch that Cramer video yesterday with Erin Burnett? It's about five minutes long and well worth the time.

Now...one of my favorite strip clubs it Pasarelas...But,

Beware, especially if you're a Gringo. The last couple of times I've patronized Pasarelas, I have dropped my guard with respect to the amount on the tab, and the crooked waiters that are there took advantage of me. This also occurred to us, myself and Precocious One, back in the July.

This last time, I had paid for my drink up front, then I ordered two drinks in succession that were individual drinks for Cindy #1, and I paid for those upfront as well.

Then, I believe the problem started because when I ordered Cindy #1 a Jarra, and I permitted them to start a tab at that juncture rather than paying for everything up front. I had them bring a Jarra for Cindy #1, then when Cindy #1 was through, I subsequently ordered a single drink for my "X" girl, which went on the tab as well. There were two different waiters coming to the table during this period, which confused the issue even further.

Now, I suppose that one can always make an error as to whether you paid, especially if you run a tab part of the time, and pay for individual drinks other times, all during the same sitting, and especially if they are double teaming you with two waiters. I was not entirely sure that I got scammed this time, but I highly suspect it based on the evidence. When you're having fun, you just drop your guard sometimes, and we shouldn't.

The reason I believe I was scammed, is that I had only 100 pesos in my pocket when I arrived at Pasarelas, and the rest of the money I had was in two 500 pesos notes, which I had in my false pocket. In trying to determine whether I had paid for some of my drinks and run a tab on others, I was almost sure I recalled having paid for some directly. But, you know how it is, one night's escapades bleeds over into other nights, and you sometimes forget if you are remembering a previous sitting.

I came to the conclusion that I had indeed paid for two drinks because the change, in peso notes, that I had in my pocket, suggested that I broke one of the 500 peso bills that was in my false pocket. When the tab finally came, I only had one 500 peso bill left in my false pocket, and the remaining change that would have been from two individual 110 peso drinks, along with my original 100 peso bill, was in my shirt pocket. Formerly, the only bill I had in my shirt pocket was a 100 pesos note that was there when I arrived.

I concluded that I had used a 500 peso bill to pay for some individual drinks because I only had one 500 peso bill remaining by the time they brought the tab, along with the exact amount of change that would have been given to me had I used one of the 500 peso bills to pay for the two drinks. The tab of course, had all the drinks on there that I had ordered that night, with no accounting that I had already paid for some directly.

I hung around there a long time to straighten out the discrepency, one they never really acknowledged...NO SURPRISE!!! I finally just paid the bill in order to get out of there, and I could see I was getting nowhere in trying to make them see that I had been scammed. I am always very tactful and diplomatic about it, but perhaps, had I been with Carlos, they would have been more accomodating. I just don't want to create problems for myself as a Gringo in a foreign land, so I buckled under and paid. So, it cost me about 220 pesos for that little error in my own judgement.

I informed my regular waiter that in the future, I would not pay nor accept a tab, and that ALL future drink purchased were to be paid for upfront. I don't believe my normal waiter was scamming me at all. I believe it was the other waiter that came and brought the individual drinks. In the future, I may even choose to select my own waiter, the one that I trust(?). I suspect you get taken better care of if you take care of them. Carlos, opinions???

I know this is all ultimately my fault because you should expect to be scammed in a Mexican strip club. So, I should have insisted on paying upfront each and every time. In the future, I will make it a point to do so, certainly in Pasarelas, and wisely in every other bar I frequent. Unless, of course, I decide to run a tab for the entire sitting, and then I also realize that I need to be damn sure that what is tallied on the tab is accurate and not inflated.

Even at clubs where we are well known, such as Obsession and Prestige, when we visit for the lunch buffet and occassionally buy some drinks for the girls, where we almost exclusively run a tab, Carlos frequently finds discrepencies in the amounts tallied, probably six out of ten times. We believe that it is sometimes innocent errors, but certainly, it could also be opportunistic unscrupulous waiters. We should be expecting it.

If you really want to be safe...never run a tab, period. Always pay for everything upfront.

[QUOTE=Precocious One]I am sure everyone is well aware of this, however, never bring drugs or anything illegal into these clubs. At around 2:30 this morning, no less than 25 heavily-armed federales came into the Tangelay and searched almost half the patrons in the club. Mag-lites, video cameras, 9mm's along with bullet-prooof vests. The girl I was with, Stephanie, had to leave our table and go into the girls room to open her locker and display its contents. The whole fiasco went on for about 15-20 minutes with no arrests.

I'll tell you this, if Wall Street had these guys monitoring the CDO markets, we would not be in the mess that we are currrently in. Did anyone watch that Cramer video yesterday with Erin Burnett? It's about five minutes long and well worth the time.[/QUOTE]

I watched Cramer have a melt down, thought he was going to cry. It was really funny because I watched it Monday after the market moved up almost 300 points. Sometimes I wonder about him.

[QUOTE=Doubt98]I watched Cramer have a melt down, thought he was going to cry. It was really funny because I watched it Monday after the market moved up almost 300 points. Sometimes I wonder about him.[/QUOTE]

Who do you really wonder about? A guy who analyzes the hell of this fake economy and is screaming telling us to watch out? He was the guy screaming his lungs off about the one big bubble that lasted a few years. How many investors lost their shirts to the Internet bubble? Didn't 90% of those stocks lose 95% of their value? And how many profited from the poor suckers who bought into those stocks?

No, my good friend. Don't wonder about Cramer. Wonder about those telling that everything is all right.

When the consumer confidence index comes out, it says consumer confidence is high. I am a consumer …. And I am not confident.

Wasted.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Who do you really wonder about? A guy who analyzes the hell of this fake economy and is screaming telling us to watch out? He was the guy screaming his lungs off about the one big bubble that lasted a few years. How many investors lost their shirts to the Internet bubble? Didn't 90% of those stocks lose 95% of their value? And how many profited from the poor suckers who bought into those stocks?

No, my good friend. Don't wonder about Cramer. Wonder about those telling that everything is all right.

When the consumer confidence index comes out, it says consumer confidence is high. I am a consumer …. And I am not confident.

Wasted.[/QUOTE]Well said.

[QUOTE=Precocious One]Well said.[/QUOTE]

Hey Q. I knew this was going to get your attention. I remember our conversation at el infi with T and S girl both had their legs on mine and .. ok .. back to the subject.

However, you gotta give credit where credit is due. I mean, for someone to be able to fool all those people for so long, they've gotta be damn smart. No?

Some are smart crooks, look at Clinton. I admire that dude. Power to him if at the age of 52 he is running the most powerful country in the world and is getting a blowjob (was is BBBJ?) from a 20 y/o kid.... woohooo.

On the other hand, the current leadership we have .... let's just say I am glad I am not from Texas.

Wasted