Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Thedrman; 1104324]I've lived in the Puerto Plata / Sosua area for four years. I used to go the the Sosua beach more during the day during the first couple of years and I found the action there pretty scarce. There would be maybe 4 to 6 pro girls there during most days and usually none of them particularly excited me. I understand that "back in the day", the beach during the day was the place to go, though.

Here's what I found last Friday night in Sosua. Giving a tour to a couple of young guys from New York.

We left Puerto Plata (Playa Dorado hotel) at about 9:00pm, and got to Sosua at 9:30 or so. The first stop was Passions. I would give most of the girls there a 7 or 8. They were all cute and doable. I personally like to get to know the girl a little better before deciding to see if there is some chemistry. Passion's format makes this hard to do. We didn't choose any chicas from there on the first visit.

Next we went to the bar area on Pedro Clisante. There were no p4p girls visible on the street or in any of the open air bars. There were plenty of Dominicans (men and women) partying and dance at the new Rumba bar across the street from Latino's.

But, lo and behold, there were quite a lot of good looking young p4p's hanging out INSIDE Latino's. When we selected girls to party with then take back to the Hotel Central for ST, the girls were very concerned about being escorted to the hotel, then back to Latino's from the hotel. Apparently girls who are unescorted by a guy get arrested. Quality and quantity inside Latinos were both excellent. There is a security guy at the door who must be keeping out the skanks that you used to see hanging out on the street.

After that, it was back to Passions. It was the same mix of girls. There was one chica there that had us all panting. A large statuesque chica with generous curves in all the right places, but no fat. Sirenita. This chica is a knockout. For whatever reason. I think everyone was chicaed-out at that point, no one stepped up to the plate. Next time.

Next we went back to Pedro Clisante. It was around 11:30pm. Latino's had cleared out and all of the action had moved over to the "Club 59" disco on the second floor above Merengue's. Again, quality and quantity was excellent. It was mostly skank-free and there were a lot of new girls I hadn't seen before. The disco was wall to wall girls, music, and booze.

I can't speak to the daytime action in Sosua, but the nighttime action is alive and well. It's just moved inside and off the street. I guess if you want girls during the day, you're going to have to meet them at night, get there phone numbers and call them, or just wake up with them.

The Man Tour Guy.

[url]www.themantour.net[/url]

P. S. The village to village idea is a good one. Will require patience, however, because you will have newbie girls plus curious people to contend with. I recommend you take someone with you who knows the neighborhoods and can translate. [/QUOTE]I was in Sosua a couple weeks ago and I can concur with Man Tour Guy on his assessment of the action in Sosua. I am normally not a late night person so I had to adjust my partying and sleep hours to accommodate the lack of early action in Sosua nowadays, no big deal for me. Late at night all the bars were packed with plenty of chicas, me and my wingmen had plenty of girls to choose from.

We rented a villa so during the day we had the girls that we picked up from the night before hang out by the pool and cook for us, then at some point in the afternoon we would call our taxi guy and send them packing. A couple hour siesta, wake up and have a few (or more) drinks and get primed for the hunt. Wash, rinse and repeat. I can't wait to return in two weeks, life is good.

[QUOTE=David_33;1104289]SavePros321, how depressing! Now the real estate vultures are gathering. They can certainly muster higher bribes for the powers that be. Well I'm glad I could experience Sosua before it was destroyed.[/QUOTE]There is still plenty of action!

6pm-The Politur are now arresting the chicas and stealing their money. A Haitian GFE of mine, one of the best looking chicas in Sosua, was just stopped on a moto-concho, arrested, taken to jail, and stripped of all her considerable money. Her mother was forced to buy her way out of jail.

[QUOTE=Sidney;1104394]6pm-The Politur are now arresting the chicas and stealing their money. A Haitian GFE of mine, one of the best looking chicas in Sosua, was just stopped on a moto-concho, arrested, taken to jail, and stripped of all her considerable money. Her mother was forced to buy her way out of jail.[/QUOTE]What? Are you saying that they are going after chicas who have paid to use a motochoncho? This certainly does not mesh with the propaganda piece Sosua News put out on Dec. 15th.

So are you telling me that if I meet a chica in classicos one night and then call her to meet me for lunch the next day, she can be stopped while on a motochonco AND have all her money taken? Can you imagine how difficult it would be for a chica from the Internet to come and visit you DURING THE DAYTIME in Sosua if there is a possibility that she gets "intercepted" on the way over to your hotel AND gets jacked for her money?

All this is telling me is that the powers to be over there want us to lodge anywhere BUT Sosua. This is a direct contradiction to the Dec. 15th piece put out by Sosua News.

I thought they wanted us to return...?

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1104412]What? Are you saying that they are going after chicas who have paid to use a motochoncho? This certainly does not mesh with the propaganda piece Sosua News put out on Dec. 15th.

So are you telling me that if I meet a chica in classicos one night and then call her to meet me for lunch the next day, she can be stopped while on a motochonco AND have all her money taken? [/QUOTE]Daytime girls must have dates or companions, traveling to work, or doing laundry or going to the store. I heard this was going down but I didn't think they would enforce it.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1104412]What? Are you saying that they are going after chicas who have paid to use a motochoncho? This certainly does not mesh with the propaganda piece Sosua News put out on Dec. 15th.

So are you telling me that if I meet a chica in classicos one night and then call her to meet me for lunch the next day, she can be stopped while on a motochonco AND have all her money taken? Can you imagine how difficult it would be for a chica from the Internet to come and visit you DURING THE DAYTIME in Sosua if there is a possibility that she gets "intercepted" on the way over to your hotel AND gets jacked for her money?

All this is telling me is that the powers to be over there want us to lodge anywhere BUT Sosua. This is a direct contradiction to the Dec. 15th piece put out by Sosua News.

SP,

Maybe you'll have to spring for the cost of a taxi, the girl will appreciate not getting her hair messed up too.

I thought they wanted us to return? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sidney;1104394]6pm-The Politur are now arresting the chicas and stealing their money. A Haitian GFE of mine, one of the best looking chicas in Sosua, was just stopped on a moto-concho, arrested, taken to jail, and stripped of all her considerable money. Her mother was forced to buy her way out of jail.[/QUOTE]Sidney,

I'm sorry but I think your GFE Haitiana is playing you. I don't doubt she got hauled off to the slammer but ALL of these girls are pathological liars and maybe she is hoping you would feel bad for her and give her a few extra pesos if she told you they took her money.

[QUOTE=David_33;1104289]SavePros321, how depressing! Now the real estate vultures are gathering. They can certainly muster higher bribes for the powers that be. Well I'm glad I could experience Sosua before it was destroyed.[/QUOTE]Correct. I suspect that what is happening in Sosua is part of a larger and longer term plan that has worked perfectly in the USS many times.

The plan is to choke off the economic activity so that the local residents and businesses have to move / sell out / or become desperate. The ulitmate end "buyer" will be a large and connected developer or resort concern.

Remember, puta and mongers aside, Sosua is really prime real estate. The big boys have likely decided its time to move in. So long term, Sosua will likely decline as a monger spot. Somewhere, someone has the master development plan.

[QUOTE=Sidney;1104394]6pm-The Politur are now arresting the chicas and stealing their money. A Haitian GFE of mine, one of the best looking chicas in Sosua, was just stopped on a moto-concho, arrested, taken to jail, and stripped of all her considerable money. Her mother was forced to buy her way out of jail.[/QUOTE]Christmas is Saturday. What did you expect?

-Helpmann :confused:

[QUOTE=Nowrath; 1104126]Ok that makes sense, I know the roads aren't the best, but it will be a hired driver and my departure times will always be early morning.

The cities will make for some good day trips and lunch meetings.

Thanks for the info.

Nowrath[/QUOTE]I did the drive from Santiago to Sosua and back. I took the mountain road to Sosua and it was in a really bad shape. It took me over 2 and a half hours. I also left a little late in the day and it got dark halfway which made it slower. But it was adventurous with good scenery both nature and the locals. Lot of chicas walking in the little towns, some really pretty. Some of the homes were really matchboxes and along the way I spotted a few open air bars with working girls in them, did not stop as it was getting late but sure looked like a good bargain.

On the way back from Santiago I took 25 and 1, roads were better and natural scenery was ok, some rare putas waving down trucks. It still took me 2 hrs and once I got to Santiago I lost my way and had to ask for directions to get back to Hotel Matum. One good fella at an Orange store showed me the way by driving his car and let me follow. Google maps are more or less approximate and only work for highways.

[QUOTE=Kman1;1104444].....along the way I spotted a few open air bars with working girls in them, did not stop as it was getting late but sure looked like a good bargain..........[/QUOTE]I picked up a hitchhiker once and before I dropped her off in Santiago we stopped at a cabana. You never know what you will find on the roads in the DR.

Thanks for your reports and the pics you posted in the photo gallery. "Cover the face and hit the base", LOL, I never heard that one before but must admit I have had a few of them fuglies. Even fuglies need some lovin'.

[QUOTE=Drlawyer; 1104430]Correct. I suspect that what is happening in Sosua is part of a larger and longer term plan that has worked perfectly in the USS many times.

The plan is to choke off the economic activity so that the local residents and businesses have to move / sell out / or become desperate. The ulitmate end "buyer" will be a large and connected developer or resort concern.

Remember, puta and mongers aside, Sosua is really prime real estate. The big boys have likely decided its time to move in. So long term, Sosua will likely decline as a monger spot. Somewhere, someone has the master development plan. [/QUOTE]After SavePros posted that long piece by the architect on DR1, I brought up Sosua on Google Earth to have a look. Several nice parcels of undeveloped real estate catch my eye; for instance, the 50-or-so acres northeast of Infiniti Blu, between the shore and Calle Dr. Alejo Martinez, or the couple-hundred acres that looks like it might be a cattle ranch with the "Playa Chiquita" label. That second one looks big enough for a golf course.

You've got plenty of room up there to build a whole new "Playa Dorada" complex, but there's this pesky issue with Sosua's reputation as "Sodom-On-The-Sea." None of your nice respectable blue-haired ladies are going to let their husbands anywhere near the downtown end of Pedro Clisante, as it is now!

Solution? Get a mayor who's ready to run the riff-raff (that's you and me, pals, and our chicas) out of town. Put the pressure on the chicas, because when they're gone the "eeee-villl mongers" will go too. Shut down the frat-party between El Fllow and Classico's; just make it disappear. The church ladies and the feminazis will certainly approve, as will the old fuglies who weren't able to get in on the lucrative action anyways. There will still be room for [i]some[/i] Of the action, but put it behind closed doors and make sure the owners of these operations grease the appropriate palms and keep up their contributions to the Policemen's Benevolent Association.

Trumpet it loud and strong of how Sosua has been cleaned up and it's now a family-friendly destination. Bring in the bulldozers and start building condos, villas, golf courses, time-shares, whatever strikes the fancy of the market. Sell them to whoever's buying and leave them holding the bag.

Rapido! Seguro! Economico!

(By the by, where are they going to get the electric power for this new development? Where will they site the water and sewage treatment plants? Or am I just being too damn practical?)

I followed the thread on DR1 that I referenced in my previous message, and found another interesting point by the architect of the diatribe,"Taino808":

[quote=ramesses (DR1)]The push is on to make Sosua a more upscale area, thus again pushing the people who have trouble making even a meager living, out of the area? I hear stuff like pushing the people out of Charamicos so a marina can be built.[/quote][quote=Taino808 (DR1) ]Should these people actually own the property they currently live on, then they have nothing to worry about. Property laws in the DR are cristal clear about this. However, if the goverment or a third party is after this land, then it could be that these people are not the actual owners, for all you know, they could be squatters.

Nevertheless, for not knowing the actual legal status of the people living in this area, I will refrain from commenting. That said, I too have heard varying comments of possible future projects in that area. [/quote]"Should these people actually own the property"? Uhhmmmm, yeah. That can be handled, I'm sure.

"Property laws in the DR are cristal clear about this." But I wouldn't be surprised if the mayor, or the alcalde, is "above the law" when it comes to property. A little matter called "eminent domain," combined with the principle of the "most efficient economic use" of the land, and you, too, can be a "squatter" on land your family has held for generations. Even land, or property, that you bought recently and to which you hold a supposedly "indisputable" title!

I'm sure it wouldn't take all that much "grease" to arrange for the title on some desirable land to get invalidated, or simply disappear from the books. Especially if the inhabitants were poor and unable to hire good-enough lawyers to fight it. Even more so, if the backers for an "inconvenienced" project were looking down the coast at Ocean World and telling the alcalde,"we can do this, too, right here!"

Too much doom and gloom. Let's enjoy Sosua, the best we can, while we can. Meanwhile, don't buy - rent.

[QUOTE=Westy; 1104576]I followed the thread on DR1 that I referenced in my previous message, and found another interesting point by the architect of the diatribe,"Taino808":

"Should these people actually own the property"? Uhhmmmm, yeah. That can be handled, I'm sure.

"Property laws in the DR are cristal clear about this." But I wouldn't be surprised if the mayor, or the alcalde, is "above the law" when it comes to property. A little matter called "eminent domain," combined with the principle of the "most efficient economic use" of the land, and you, too, can be a "squatter" on land your family has held for generations. Even land, or property, that you bought recently and to which you hold a supposedly "indisputable" title!

I'm sure it wouldn't take all that much "grease" to arrange for the title on some desirable land to get invalidated, or simply disappear from the books. Especially if the inhabitants were poor and unable to hire good-enough lawyers to fight it. Even more so, if the backers for an "inconvenienced" project were looking down the coast at Ocean World and telling the alcalde,"we can do this, too, right here!"

Too much doom and gloom. Let's enjoy Sosua, the best we can, while we can. Meanwhile, don't buy. Rent. [/QUOTE]"Don't buy. Rent." Maybe the "renters" are the smarter ones and the "developers" turn out the to be the ones getting snookered. Sidney posted this in the General Info forum, but I am posting it here because it is relevant to the discussion. You can find this info at the D R 1 forum under "Daily News" for Monday, Dec. 20, 2010:

[QUOTE][b]DR less attractive for investments[/b]

[blue]Economist and coordinator of the Human Development Office for the United Nations, Miguel Ceara-Hatton pointed out in his participation in the year's end economic debate on TeleAntillas, Channel 2, said that the DR is less attractive for investors. He mentioned worsening of public services, unskilled labor force, institutional deterioration and violation of the rule of law as major factors affecting foreign investment. He said these problems worsened in 2010. Moreover, he criticized the government's priorities, and called unsustainable the rising public debt, as reported in Hoy. He said interest payments alone on the foreign debt are at 2% of GDP already. He acknowledged 2010 ended with exemplary macroeconomic stability, he mentioned the fiscal deficit, deteriorating trade balance with the US and the fact that none of the Millennium Objectives have been met. He said that the present economic model while producing wealth generates exclusion. He said there is no excuse for a country with 7% GDP growth has an unemployment rate of 14. [b][red]He said that the present all-inclusive tourism resort model excludes the communities from benefits of the industry[/red][/b]. [/blue][/QUOTE]

So I guess it turns out that if they do plan for all-inclusives in Sosua it won't benefit Dominican natives. The owners of the AI's will just send all their earnings back to their home country...

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1104426]Sidney,

I'm sorry but I think your GFE Haitiana is playing you. I don't doubt she got hauled off to the slammer but ALL of these girls are pathological liars and maybe she is hoping you would feel bad for her and give her a few extra pesos if she told you they took her money. [/QUOTE]I understand your cautious comments, but you are not correct this time. I have been a full time monger for 8 years with 7000 posts. I'm not naive and stupid!