Manila

[QUOTE=Wjmpsr;1173237]He are two pics of my friend who has moved to province and needs a friend.[/QUOTE]How can we make contact with her?

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1173397]. These women had sixth grade educations, but they somehow heard about the clinic that provided these serial sterilization surgeries, and they arrived at their decisions to have the procedure while sharing their fears and intentions with a very small circle of confidantes. The fact that this clinic existed and that these relatively uneducated women learned about them and acted on their knowledge suggests that some Filipinas, even poor ones, are capable of stepping outside Catholic dogma.[/QUOTE]It is very easy for women to have ligations done in the Philippines.

Most doctors will do it no questions asked. It is nothing like backyard abortions or anything like that. My sister in law has just had her second baby (now has a boy and girl) and requested a ligation to be done during the caesarean section birth. No problem.

I know a group of women in the Aust New Zealand Womens' Association that regularly conduct clinics in the poor barangays for women to have tubal ligations, and the local govt supports it with counterpart funds to keep costs at zero to minimal.

There is way too much hysteria about the Church preventing these things. The reality is that condoms are freely available; ligations are also available, although the press would have you believe that the Church is preventing their availability. The Church would like to, but it cannot.

I agree, the problem is not one of availability, but one of education. It's wonderful that some NGOs publicize the availability of tubal ligations and educate poor women about the process, and it's nice that some local and / or barangay governments are sufficiently enlightened to participate. However, on a national level, it amounts to very little considering the unabated population growth and the creation and recreation of generations of children consigned to poverty.

The fact is the the constitutionally mandated line between church and state is blurred and often non-existent and the church remains a corrupt, powerful political force. Unless and until its power is curbed, the overall situation will likely not improve, or such is my opinion at any rate.

One also has to factor in the macho posturing of Filipinos for many of whom wearing a condom is "unmanly," though apparently deserting the women and offspring that they've spawned is considered quite acceptable.

And so it goes. And so it goes.

GE

[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1173463]The reality is that condoms are freely available;[/QUOTE]It has been several years since I shopped for condoms in the Phils, but the last time I did I recall they could be purchased in Mercury Drugs, Watson Drugs, and other drug stores. But at that time in most stores you had to ask for them from the women back behind the pharmacy counter. Perhaps that was a modesty thing-not wanting to expose little old ladies and kids to them-or perhaps a theft prevention tactic. The one exception I recall was Mercury Drugs at Philcoa, near the UP campus. There they were on display out on the shelves, but the one time I purchased them there a woman security person seemed to be standing guard over them. She persisted in staring at me as I picked up a dozen and carried them to the front cash register. I notice they are also now available behind the counter in many convenience stores. Perhaps the public perception is changing.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1173522]It has been several years since I shopped for condoms in the Phils, but the last time I did I recall they could be purchased in Mercury Drugs, Watson Drugs, and other drug stores. But at that time in most stores you had to ask for them from the women back behind the pharmacy counter. Perhaps that was a modesty thing-not wanting to expose little old ladies and kids to them-or perhaps a theft prevention tactic. The one exception I recall was Mercury Drugs at Philcoa, near the UP campus. There they were on display out on the shelves, but the one time I purchased them there a woman security person seemed to be standing guard over them. She persisted in staring at me as I picked up a dozen and carried them to the front cash register. I notice they are also now available behind the counter in many convenience stores. Perhaps the public perception is changing.[/QUOTE]
Skip. They are available in all pharmacies now and in multiple brands, colors, flavours, thicknesses etc. Full page adverts for them appear in the glossy magazines (Men's Health; Women's Health; FHM. Etc) ,

Different types and flavors of lubricants are also available (bubble packs and tubes) , and these sit as part of the condom display. They are very much "in-your-face". Whenever I have bought them the shop assistant has not taken any notice at all.

I agree that in SOME 7/11s they are behind the counter next to the cigarettes but this is more a security issue I think although it is not as though they are terribly expensive. In my local 7/11 they are in a glass containers on the counter so you need to point to them. In Watsons and Mercury Drug you can gather them up yourself and carry them across to the check-out chick.

GE. I wasn't suggesting that the local government efforts were making any inroads into the population control issue; my point was specifically to state that if a person wants a condom or a ligation they can readily and easily get one here. There may be a perception elsewhere that these things are all undercover or illegal in some way.
They are not.
The Church rails against them, but slowly and surely its influence is being eroded in these matters. It will be a long slow process though and it will eventually change (but not in our lifetimes).

[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1173441]You should stay away from Phil. Says my 2 cents. Ah. You are making me laugh.

Even those who can afford, like Jinky Pacquiao, have sworn it is wrong to use pills, as pill cause a million odd problems, and also means you are promiscous. And it is better to screw BB and catch STIs / HIV. And what not.

Medical and such are the last thing on their mind.

AS for the "family forces them" you heard some amazing yarn. Families never ask what their daughter is doing. Just "please send money." and that's it. If some girl told you the family knows and is ok. Etc. Etc. She is hitting your sympathy wave. Have fun.[/QUOTE] Come on now, give me chance to get acclimated here. Next time I will check my tendencies toward rationalization at NAIA Left Baggage on my way into town. Religious WGs who are willing to get preg or diseased so they can make the pope happy whilst they are having BB premarital sex for cash. I shouldn't even try to comprehend how they come up with that mix.

I never said the family forces her. I said that she told them (her Dad) that the child support money they demand is earned from her selling her pussy, thinking that he would stop asking for more. But like you said, they don't care where it comes from. If she wants to hear the kid on the phone, she better send the money. I have no sympathy for a girl that asks me for money as a condition to having sex. But I am not sadistic , so once I found out after-the-fact that these 3 girls might not be preventing with BC, I sought some reassurance from here that I was not making more of those bastards. I was wanting people to say, yeah all these pro girls DO use it. My traveling style is NSA. Leave no name, no contact info, no babies, and take away no disease.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1173742]Come on now, give me chance to get acclimated here. Next time I will check my tendencies toward rationalization at NAIA Left Baggage on my way into town. Religious WGs who are willing to get preg or diseased so they can make the pope happy whilst they are having BB premarital sex for cash. I shouldn't even try to comprehend how they come up with that mix.

I never said the family forces her. I said that she told them (her Dad) that the child support money they demand is earned from her selling her pussy, thinking that he would stop asking for more. But like you said, they don't care where it comes from. If she wants to hear the kid on the phone, she better send the money. I have no sympathy for a girl that asks me for money as a condition to having sex. But I am not sadistic, so once I found out after-the-fact that these 3 girls might not be preventing with BC, I sought some reassurance from here that I was not making more of those bastards. I was wanting people to say, yeah all these pro girls DO use it. My traveling style is NSA. Leave no name, no contact info, no babies, and take away no disease.[/QUOTE]What you are witnessing is the bastard child of centuries of Western colonialism and the worst of local culture. As a sex tourist you're viewing Philippine society from the sewer and it's not a pretty sight.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1173753]What you are witnessing is the bastard child of centuries of Western colonialism and the worst of local culture. As a sex tourist you're viewing Philippine society from the sewer and it's not a pretty sight.[/QUOTE]Yeah I got to admit after 4 years here I rather see a student who needs the fees paid than a bar girl, I still go bar hopping as I still have contacts in the bars.

I think it is important not to paint all Filipina working girls with the same brush, any more than mongers are all of one mold. One thing unites WGs: they are having sex for money, which is not culturally approved, even though some commercial interests promote it and many government leaders turn a blind eye to it. I presume most WGs feel shame for doing it. There are some things that unite mongers: we're looking for sex with few strings attached, for low prices or free. There may be patterns among the WGs, but there's also quite a bit of variety: some have children to support, others do not; some send money home, others do not; some families encourage the p4p as one of the few marketable commodities the family possesses, some families know about the p4p but don't approve, others suspect but don't question, others may not know at all.

Pretty much all WGs have a large mix of pressures on them—monetary, cultural, religious, familial, friends' judgments and expectations, desires to get out of poverty, and occasionally even genuine desires for reciprocal affection for one or another monger. Similarly a broad set of influences shape mongers' individual attitudes toward WGs in general and individual WGs in particular. To try to distill all these variables down to single 'motives' for either the WG or the monger does a disservice to understanding what's going on with any individual in the mongering scene.

We all engage in building simplistic mental models that help us individually make sense of our experiences. Psychologists have a fancy name for these mental models that we all form in our heads: cognitive schemata. Once we put them in place in our heads they resist change, even when we're confronted with contradictory evidence. Our tendency is to discount contradictory evidence, rationalizing that we must not have seen it or understood it correctly.

So one of the liabilities of trusting other mongers' judgments about what's going on in stories posted by another monger, is that we all have built up these hardened, simplistic mental models that we use to make sense of what we see and read. We tend to try to reduce others' situations, especially the WGs', to 'motives. ' But the motives we project in that way come at least as much from the mental models in our heads as from the situation at hand. The pressures and intentions in WGs' lives are usually much too complex to reduce to single motives.

In another thread a junior forum member (but in his 50s, I think) recently posted questions about an older woman—who has a computer, children, and lots of other apparent baggage- with whom he's corresponding. Some forum members quickly advised that the woman is going to scam him. GE, on the other hand, laid out some possible explanations and likely background, and then simply advised him to take it slowly and keep his eyes, ears, and mind open. Based on my belief that Filipinas' lives (WGs and non-WGs) are potentially more complex than most of our single motive explanations, I think that's the kind of advice that serves much better.

Has Jackson reversed the thread numbers? Before the first page was the latest now you need to go to the page with highest number to see the latest post.

Thanks,

[QUOTE=Droplet; 1173878]Has Jackson reversed the thread numbers? Before the first page was the latest now you need to go to the page with highest number to see the latest post.

Thanks, [/QUOTE]Yes Droplet the pages were "reversed" about week ago. I liked the old way better but that was primarily because I was used to it. I'm starting to finally click on the last page when I enter a forum. It takes some getting used to but its ok. I' not sure it is any better though.

I also noticed the colors on each forum page are much darker and bolder.

[QUOTE=Allover; 1173895]Yes Droplet the pages were "reversed" about week ago. I liked the old way better but that was primarily because I was used to it. I'm starting to finally click on the last page when I enter a forum. It takes some getting used to but its ok. I' not sure it is any better though.

I also noticed the colors on each forum page are much darker and bolder.[/QUOTE]So I've been reading this bassackwards for the last week? Why do I still understand it?

My wife and I will be in Ermita on July 14 and 15. She enjoys going to Manila Bay Cafe with me. If you are a well hung guy, message me. She is anxous to try a big one.

Wjmpsr, I hate to be judgemental but your post sounds a little creepy. I hope you find what you are looking for. I am personally not interested (fortunately) nor am I well hung (unfortunately).

[QUOTE=Allover;1174153]Wjmpsr, I hate to be judgemental but your post sounds a little creepy. I hope you find what you are looking for. I am personally not interested (fortunately) nor am I well hung (unfortunately).[/QUOTE]Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. We enjoy each other and she has enjoyed watching me and I her. You might not be hung, but grow some balls.