Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2929068]They tell me that it is harder and more difficult to find good clients, the [b]'party-bros'[/b] are terrible clients, and the previous wave of retirees and remote workers was much better.

Asking initially for $600 k-$900 k in Park Llares is common as it is 'twice as hard and twice as dangerous' and a lot of [b]party-bros[/b] are idiots, so might as well make the money and compensate for the fact that good hookups at the park are more difficult.[/QUOTE]Can you explain to me who the "party-bros" are? I am unfamiliar with that term.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2929068]I really wish this forum would get back to just talking and giving practical advice about Medellin.

But let's talk what girls charge. They don't have a 'set price'. Most girls relate the money they get to frequency of work. Lots of $300 K guys means they need to get 3-4 (or more) a week to meet their financial needs. Find two $600 k guys and you did the same for half the work. There isn't the biggest 'business sense' here, if they hit their financial budget -- they go to party or shopping, they aren't wise enough to keep working to 'get ahead'. I've explained it before, the girls work with a range, usually looking at a mental minimum. They will take all you are willing to give them, but most will settle for a minimum of $300 k. Doesn't mean they will be thrilled and will most likely want to get a 2nd client that night. If they get $400-500 k then they seem to be more happy and less concerned and will hang with you all night. At $600 k I find most are willing to spend the night unless there's a child / pet situation that needs advance arrangement.

Asking initially for $600 k-$900 k in Park Llares is common as it is 'twice as hard and twice as dangerous' and a lot of party-bros are idiots, so might as well make the money and compensate for the fact that good hookups at the park are more difficult. But it doesn't mean those girls at the park clubs are better off financially or of higher quality. It is just the reality of the place and situation.[/QUOTE]Good, common sense post. Thank you.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2929026]I have never known women to prefer more than a few weekend nights chilling at home before they start clamoring to go do something outside...[/QUOTE]I did not say they are all the same. I provided two different examples. It is more about what is effective and what type of woman you are buying service from.

I am giving what they want and not what I think they want. If they are hungry, I gave them my phone to order anything they want from Rappi after sex if I like the girl. What I have observed is they just want to do their job in the shortest amount of time possible, but they will spend enough time that is necessary to satisfy me for the repeat business because they think I live here and the ease of withdraw money when they need it from this ATM. Haha.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2929090]Now higher price can mean higher quality. But usually the value of the quality is in the eyes of the individual purchaser. I think Apple Products are superior. They cost more than the equivalent version of the competing brands. I pay those costs. Because I value what I get out of Apple Products. I have an Android Phone and a Pixel. Do they do the job they were designed for? They sure do. So, why do I prefer Apple Products? Is it because they are of higher quality? No. It is because of my personal preferences. That's all. My android and pixel phones function just fine. I just prefer the Apple UI.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but this is a just patently false. You guys are referencing a difference in products whose price points are geared for the upper-middle class to the super rich. For real poor and middle class people, who have gone through life with shitty dollar store stuff, they would never make this statement. Go to Dollar General and buy some forks and tell me how quickly they bend, break, and rust compared to a normal stainless-steel set. Go buy a shitty $25 dollar phone and tell me how well it runs Android compared to a new Pixel. Go to a free clinic and tell me what kind of care you are getting there compared to a doctor who takes your company-sponsored insurance. Maybe you have lived the good life for too long or maybe you've never had to struggle a real day, but the majority of actual working class folk understand that price has a meaningful impact on the products and services they depend on. It's why most people seek to get out of poverty so they can afford to meaningfully improve their lives (usually by being able to just purchase things that improve their standard of living).

You guys keep bringing up Gucci bags and yachts but ignore things like doctors, education, and every fundamental part of your life that is improved when you can pay to get a quality output. As I've said repeatedly, extremism on both sides does no good. Paying out the nose for Gucci bags is stupid, just like choosing to be a cheapskate is also looked down on. When you show a lack of understanding about how quality works and then say something like all "Pussy is Pussy", readers who do spend more and get better service may shift over to the other extreme. When they take your advice and go to Centro for hours and don't find that diamond in the rough, they may just decide that you were full of it and go to the other extreme. Preach intelligent improvement, not dogma and dick waving.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2929030]Thing about that is that you only get one first date. You do not know what will improve your odds. Women already know if they want to fuck you when they meet you. So I do not know if you calling yourself improving odds is really doing anything at all.[/QUOTE]Absolutely not. That's what we (guys) do. If a girl is hot enough for us (or if we are desperate enough to overlook it), she would have do something supremely f'ed up to make us move on, and even then, most of us would still do it just to get our dicks wet.

Luckily for us, women tend to be more receptive. I've had girlfriends and Tinder hookups tell me they weren't sure about hooking up for a variety of reasons) but then changing their mind when a date went well. We call it Rizz nowadays but it's gone by many names over the years; Charm, aura, game, etc. But what's important is, it doesn't just have to do with how you dress or initial impressions, but how you woo people over to your own desires when you interact with them.

Mongering is nice for many guys because the money part lets them get away with having less charm while still getting more of what they want. It can help fill in the gap to a certain extent.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2929150]You guys keep bringing up Gucci bags and yachts but ignore things like doctors, education, and every fundamental part of your life that is improved when you can pay to get a quality output.[/QUOTE]Well that is because hookers put yachts and Gucci bags on their instagram. When they start posting their doctors and degrees we can talk about how their lives are improving. But until then they will just turn back into pumpkins at a certain point. Enjoy the ride.

I believe they are the same lot who are also referred to as weekend warriors or one week millionaires, short term visitors who spend freely before heading back to reality.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2929092]Can you explain to me who the "party-bros" are? I am unfamiliar with that term.[/QUOTE]

Pussy or vagina is a part of the physical anatomy of a girl.

[B]Pussy is Pussy[/B]

Now some guys pay for access to the pussy, ass or mouth of a girl. They also pay for them to participate in activities they think will give them pleasure. Since all girls have a mouth, pussy and ass. Please tell me how quality varies. You cannot.

Because when someone pays more or less for the items and services listed above what they are doing is paying for the pussy life support system of the pussy. THAT is what has different qualities that drive individuals to pay different amounts for what is the exact same set of anatomical items available on any given girl all over the world.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2929150][b]Im sorry but this is a just patently false[/b][/QUOTE]The only reason you should be sorry is because you do not know the difference between a fact and an opinion. Everyone is allowed their own opinion but not their own facts. We differ in opinions. You are not right. Neither am I.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2929150]When you show a lack of understanding about how quality works and then say something like all "Pussy is Pussy", readers who do spend more and get better service may shift over to the other extreme. [/QUOTE]Exactly how did I show a lack of understanding of the meaning of quality? Quality is not an absolute thing. Prostitutes are mechanics. You hire them to drain your balls. Do you take your vehicle to the mechanic and pay more to you mechanic to have your oil changed?

If we take two computers and compare technical specifications you are going to get different numerical measurements. But the value of those numerical measurements are completely dependent upon your computing needs. If you have more demanding computing needs then you may want to pay more for higher capacity. Does that mean that you need a higher quality computer than I need because my computing needs are modest?

[B]No, it does not[/B]!

If you want to pay to eat the pussy of your prostitute and lick the ass of your prostitute and you choose to pay more for those activities that does not mean that your prostitute is of higher quality than my prostitute.

One of the biggest problems of self reporting is that the reports do not include the sexual activities engaged in. If I higher a prostitute for a low price and it is "straight fucking; no kissing". But she sucks my dick good and lets me pound here in my favorite positions a deep and hard as I like. That is a high quality experience for me even at a low price.

If you [B]TheDerilious[/B] need to illusion of the "girl friend experience" "girl friend experience" in order to get your rocks off. You know that bullshit of wining and dining a girl, kissing her, pretending that this is anything other than a paid sexual transaction. Personally I am not interested in such self deception as a grown man. But to each their own.

You are not going to be interested in my experience at any price. Nor will I be interested in yours. You will not find quality in the experiences I enjoy because of your personal preferences. You cannot say to me that: "[I]girl friend experience[/I]" is of higher quality than "[I]straight fucking; no kissing[/I]". You can only say that you prefer it.

The principle of spending money for value / quality is applicable no matter if a product or a service. If you [B]TheDerilious[/B] want to pay to eat the pussy of a prostitute I have no problem with that. Whatever price point you wish to choose, I have no problem with that. But if you are going to tell me that you paid 10 times the amount that someone would pay in Centro and BECAUSE of that you got higher quality pussy than the person run Centro. I am going to tell you get the fuck out of here with you bullshit.

What you have done is paid for the pussy support system attributes that you find valuable. It is impossible for you to tell me the the quality of any actual pussy anywhere in the world is different based anything other than your personal preferences.

It is the same principle as beauty. [B]Pussy is Pussy[/B] and the depends on the experience your dick has with said pussy. No matter what the price point it.

[B]Pussy is Pussy[/B]

It is a pussy marketplace and the private transactions occur between individual parties. There is only self reporting of prices. There is no pussy brokers with an order book of bid and ask prices. Except for in a house of prostitution where all prices are the same.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2929150]When they take your advice and go to Centro for hours and don't find that diamond in the rough, they may just decide that you were full of it and go to the other extreme.[/QUOTE][B]My opinion holds no dominion over another mans decisions.[/B] Remember this the next time you are going to tell another man what they should be doing or not doing.

Man Law 101: No man ought to be telling another man how they should be spending his hard earned money or who to fuck.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2929150]Preach intelligent improvement, not dogma and dick waving.[/QUOTE]Follow your own advice and get the fuck out of here with your know it all attitudes. There is no improvement needed in order to higher a prostitute. All you have to do is find them negotiate a price and pay them. It helps if you know where to find the and the going rates for the pussy in the market you are operating in.

It should be noted:

I have lived through the entire range of economic experiences. From being down to my last 236 USD while being 23,000 USD in debt from student loans to having so much money coming into my bank account each month I didn't even look at a balance before spending money.

[B]Dont step to me with assumptions about my life[/B]

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2929150]Maybe you have lived the good life for too long or maybe you've never had to struggle a real day, but the majority of actual working class folk understand that price has a meaningful impact on the products and services they depend on.[/QUOTE]You are either projecting or mirroring. Because if you have a passport and enough financial resources to travel to from your country of origin in order hire prostitutes to cater to you sexual needs. All the while paying for accommodations food and drinks, here a news flash for you my ISG brother, your life is not that bad either. [B]LOL[/B]!

Maybe my life experiences have taught me to step out of my own perspective and look at the world through the lens of reality. Today it has NEVER been easier to make money. Information is available for free. There are financial instruments and methods are available to those "[I]real poor and middle class people[/I]". Broke is a temporary condition. I have been broke. Being poor is a mental attitude. I have never been poor.

[B]How you like me now[/B]?

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2929154]I've had girlfriends and Tinder hookups tell me they weren't sure about hooking up for a variety of reasons) [/QUOTE]Most of them tell me they were scared. It is a wonder how many chicks have never met anyone online. I have been meeting chicks online since there was an online to be on. And before that I was meeting chicks on party lines, when they had to send their pictures through the mail.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2929092]Can you explain to me who the "party-bros" are? I am unfamiliar with that term.[/QUOTE]From the girls point of view I understand that it refers to the guys who are just there for the weekend. Many of them are partying heavy with drinking and drugs. It doesn't make for the best experience and there are frequently issues when it comes time to pay as they don't honor the agreement or 'misremember. ' A good number of Passport Bros are convinced from YouTube that Americans are in demand and that they don't need to pay the girls.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2929154]girlfriends and Tinder hookups[/QUOTE]I think you need to clarify the context in your future posts if this is what you are talking about. Most of us are talking about P4 P with an agreement in place before meeting. In your case here, it maybe free, or you use the meeting to reach an agreement.

I had a [B]Tinder[/B] hook up tell me she was scared. It was a spontaneous meeting after she had been clubbing (2 AM). We actually didn't even come to an agreement until we were on top of the bed with our clothes on. She was just as afraid I was going to scope her as I was the she was going to scope me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2928508]400 K is a lot of money in Colombia, but it is not a lot of money when in a room full of foreigners is what I am reading. That is like when I am talking to a chick from a third world country and she tells me the amount of something is not much. Then when I tell her to pay it, it is crickets. [B]It is not much money when it is coming out if your pocket, but it is a lot of money when it is coming out of theirs.[/B].

I know a chick that pays the babysitter 30 K to keep a kid overnight. That babysitter would need to keep 13 kids for that kind of dosh.[/QUOTE]EXACTLY! When the dumb gringo is paying, its "Only a little bit of money for you!" but let them have to fork over the money and they will be complaining for weeks!!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2929217]But if you are going to tell me that you paid 10 times the amount that someone would pay in Centro and BECAUSE of that you got higher quality pussy than the person run Centro. I am going to tell you get the fuck out of here with you bullshit.[/QUOTE]I am glad my dick has never gotten angry with me and said I should have gotten the $200 pussy.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2929366]EXACTLY! When the dumb gringo is paying, its "Only a little bit of money for you!" but let them have to fork over the money and they will be complaining for weeks!![/QUOTE]I have an on and off girlfriend who is a teacher in Santa Marta. When we first met we went to a resort that I booked online. When we got there $5 in taxes still needed to be paid so I told her to pay it. She raised bloody hell. Meanwhile she is all in Punta Cana and Cancun and wherever else she wants to go with her money.