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[QUOTE=Bonker04]Wow…these last few reports are making depressing reading!
Let’s lighten things up a little before I think about jumping off a bridge somewhere![/quote]You have indeed !! Great photos and really cute girls.
Now, which shot will be my new screen saver ?!
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Bonker04]Wow…these last few reports are making depressing reading!
Let’s lighten things up a little before I think about jumping off a bridge somewhere!
I am posting the following on this thread as it is mainly about my very recent experience of using DIA and Cherry Blossoms, although I admit that one or two sections are in reference to areas not associated with these two sites and associated experiences! So please bear with me if you think they should be posted elsewhere!
It is a pretty rambling post and doesn’t really lend itself to being dissected it into it’s component parts and posted in other possibly more relevant sections.
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great report Bonker...i didn't know about the blood thing and soaked a nice mattress full of red dots with a virgin in Manila....only option i had was to turn over the mattress and hope the condo owner would not find out untill i left..he did not inspect it throughly...even thought i felt bad and gave the money for other reasons.
PH is a paradise as long as we play our cards right and have money. if for for a moment we comprise on rules...things could get ugly real fast...i will personally would not want to live anywhere accept PH
[QUOTE=Denom]Well, two somewhat good news, with one of them possibly turning into a major win if our friend Lim ends up actually being fired (which I would doubt very much).
First is that the Alfredo Lim who is the Tourism secretary is not the Alfredo Lim who is the Mayor of Manila and the scourge of mongers. And for a reason. One is ALBERTO and the other is ALFREDO. I don't know if I made the mistake reading, or the article made the mistake writing. Either way the confusion is quickly made.
Well, at least something. It did seem to me unorthodox that someone would hold two major hats. The proof is in the photo here (beware long URL):
[url]http://www.apimages.com/OneUp.aspx?st=k&ids=Philippines%20Bus%20Hostages&showact=details&sort=date&prds=10135&cfas=PERSON_FEATURED_NAME&sh=101&kwstyle=or&adte=1283580513&pagez=60&cfasstyle=AND&PERSON_FEATURED_NAME=%22Alfredo%20Lim%22&rids=c4dcb1e88dc54f42828657e02a993913&dbm=PThirtyDay&page=1&xslt=1[/url]
The second news is that Lim (the mayor) is in deep shit now with the hostage crisis. Hopefully it will lead to his dismissal - thought that's probably as likely to happen as him winning the miss universe contest - but one can always dream... If it happens I'll make a big big big celebration. No sure what yet, but it will involve lots of pussies and possibly the new LA/Manila Bay Cafe.
A good URL summarizing the situation, done in a spirit I can empathize with is at [url]http://sites.google.com/site/alfredolim2/home[/url][/QUOTE]
Denom...Yeah... Manila mayor Lim is responsible for most of the bad call...all senate hearing and investigation point to his bad decision one after the other...if he does not go ..some one has to....As you said its unlikely he will be fired.....but everyday we get news of his involvement which led to the crisis.
Another tragic news
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1309748/Briton-64-gunned-wife-near-Philippines-beach-owned.html#ixzz0ylpilfkW[/url]
It was just yesterday that a Brit was murdered by a jealous BF.....seems like the mafia has got a free hand now...Guys this should be made a breaking story like the hongkong people did...tourist safety MUST be of priority for p-noy.
i really hope British government does what the hong kongers did to take them to task..
[QUOTE=Starchild2012]Another tragic news
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1309748/Briton-64-gunned-wife-near-Philippines-beach-owned.html#ixzz0ylpilfkW[/url]
It was just yesterday that a Brit was murdered by a jealous BF.....seems like the mafia has got a free hand now...Guys this should be made a breaking story like the hongkong people did...tourist safety MUST be of priority for p-noy.
i really hope British government does what the hong kongers did to take them to task..[/QUOTE]Relax mate: according to the cops, it was a simple robbery gone bad.
Well, actually a few days before the HK stuff, a Korean Pastor was shot dead in Manila, and it didn't even stay as top news for more than a day. And all that the filipinos were screaming was "Stop Publishing such news that Tarnishes Our Country's Image" and I guess the tourism dept is listening.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]Relax mate: according to the cops, it was a simple robbery gone bad.
Well, actually a few days before the HK stuff, a Korean Pastor was shot dead in Manila, and it didn't even stay as top news for more than a day. And all that the filipinos were screaming was "Stop Publishing such news that Tarnishes Our Country's Image" and I guess the tourism dept is listening.[/QUOTE]Having been in HK yesterday they are still endlessly reporting on "latest developments " of the hostage event. Newspapers, magazines, TV.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Having been in HK yesterday they are still endlessly reporting on "latest developments " of the hostage event. Newspapers, magazines, TV.[/QUOTE]I don't blame them considering enough filipinos quickly pointing out to the madman's murder of a Filipino couple in Beijing years ago, as excuse to the hostage situation, and more than enough keep repeating the words "WE SAID SORRY-NOW MOVE ON. ".
Whereas filipinos don't forget when a Filipino gets into trouble anywhere (example. Their quoting the Beijing Beijing incident even now, and compiling lists of China's human rights violations. And all things negative against China, and if that is not enough, violently protesting Donald Tsangs calling PNoy. As Donald Tsang apparently is he equivalent of Manila Mayor and he didn't follow protocol. So there you have it!)
Life is never boring in Philippines Islands.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]I don't blame them considering enough filipinos quickly pointing out to the madman's murder of a Filipino couple in Beijing years ago, as excuse to the hostage situation, and more than enough keep repeating the words "WE SAID SORRY-NOW MOVE ON. ".
Whereas filipinos don't forget when a Filipino gets into trouble anywhere (example. Their quoting the Beijing Beijing incident even now, and compiling lists of China's human rights violations. And all things negative against China, and if that is not enough, violently protesting Donald Tsangs calling PNoy. As Donald Tsang apparently is he equivalent of Manila Mayor and he didn't follow protocol. So there you have it!)
Life is never boring in Philippines Islands.[/QUOTE]To Econo tech
The Philippine people and business will suffer more than the goverment will, most foriegner will think twice to book their next trip to Manila after seeing how the manila police handle the hostage, what happen in Bejing is out of the Chinese goverment hand but the Philippine goverment should able to handle the HK hostage better, they are now the laughing stock in the world.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]To Econo tech
The Philippine people and business will suffer more than the goverment will, most foriegner will think twice to book their next trip to Manila after seeing how the manila police handle the hostage, what happen in Bejing is out of the Chinese goverment hand but the Philippine goverment should able to handle the HK hostage better, they are now the laughing stock in the world.
Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]I don't think the filipinos give a flying fuck about the loss. They are only worried about loss of face, and if they can equate China's human rights records and all as an excuse to the slaughter, I guess you know how they think. To add to that: enough proud filipinas have decided to cancel their work contracts to HK. Like we rather starve than be humiliated. And in the process have made themselves as victims, and not the dead tourists.
Welcome to Philippines Islands. I will kill you, but I will spin a yarn and then make myself the victim. What else can you expect from a country that says Marcos' Billions of US$ are still missing, and then votes in Imelda, the son and daughter. And say that they should be forgiven.
Enough filipinos harp saying "China. MOVE ON, DON"T BULLY US". And some are calling for the suspension of the investigation as the HK police was involved.
What more could you expect from a country where the democratic process is so good, a cop with witnesses of his crime is demanding a chance to present himself and clear his name. Even with solid evidence, and the country feels it is fair. And likewise the last PNP police nominee, who had prior case of kidnapping of some HK people still claims he must be given a chance to clear his name (what I can't figure out is. With witnesses and being caught red handed, they demand a chance and lo and behold, they do get their chance.)
Time only will tell when they start thinking logically. Ever.
For some serious reading:
[url]http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/metro-manila/09/09/10/former-manila-cop-chief-still-facing-drug-bribery-charge[/url]
The defense of the 'one day' police chief is that due process wasn't followed .. regardless of the crime .. that is a cause for dismissal ..
I wonder how the HK people felt when the 1 day chief was already qualified for his job for having proven his worth with the previous cases
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]I don't think the filipinos give a flying fuck about the loss. They are only worried about loss of face, and if they can equate China's human rights records and all as an excuse to the slaughter, I guess you know how they think. To add to that: enough proud filipinas have decided to cancel their work contracts to HK. Like we rather starve than be humiliated. And in the process have made themselves as victims, and not the dead tourists.
Welcome to Philippines Islands. I will kill you, but I will spin a yarn and then make myself the victim. What else can you expect from a country that says Marcos' Billions of US$ are still missing, and then votes in Imelda, the son and daughter. And say that they should be forgiven.
Enough filipinos harp saying "China. MOVE ON, DON"T BULLY US". And some are calling for the suspension of the investigation as the HK police was involved.
What more could you expect from a country where the democratic process is so good, a cop with witnesses of his crime is demanding a chance to present himself and clear his name. Even with solid evidence, and the country feels it is fair. And likewise the last PNP police nominee, who had prior case of kidnapping of some HK people still claims he must be given a chance to clear his name (what I can't figure out is. With witnesses and being caught red handed, they demand a chance and lo and behold, they do get their chance.)
Time only will tell when they start thinking logically. Ever.[/QUOTE]Econo,
What proud Philipinas rather work the bar back home than working at a nice home in HK to stand up for their country come on ,most people in PI hate the government and the police and everyone want to leave this shit hole to other country for a better live and I don't blame them ,if this country are willing to help their people and clean up the corpution there will be more foriegn investment and more job for the people.
The PI government don't think long term just know to put money in their own pocket and scam foriegner ,I think HK should protest by sent all the Philipinas back to PI.
fast eddei 48
Folks, you have to remember that a lot of this is all coming from the Media.
Just think what an impression foreigners would get of us in our countries if they got their ideas about us from such sources as Fox News or any of the Murdoch tabloids from around the world.
In fact, I DO know people who quote Fox News as proof that people in the US are not quite right in the head. This is quite the opposite to how I have found people from the US who I have met personally and have quite enjoyed their company.
Remember the saying: "Is it true, or did you see it on Fox News?"
Just because tabloid news is saying this stuff means only one thing - there really isn't enough real news out there to report, and it is dirt cheap for the editors to keep this going without having to go out with expensive camera crews and reporters and find some real news.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]I don't think the filipinos give a flying fuck about the loss. They are only worried about loss of face...[/QUOTE]
I agree with you. Thats how they think.
Just in case you think its a novelty for police operations to go bad in PI, here is an example of a police office being shot dead by his own guys during a raid last week... in Australia
[url]http://aussiecriminals.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/police-officer-shot-in-head-during-drug-raid/[/url]
AV
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]What proud Philipinas rather work the bar back home than working at a nice home in HK to stand up for their country come on ,most people in PI hate the government and the police and everyone want to leave this shit hole to other country for a better live and I don't blame them ,if this country are willing to help their people and clean up the corpution there will be more foriegn investment and more job for the people.[/QUOTE]No kidding mate. They will slit their throats than speak sensibly.
After all people voted Pnoy in because he is a sad guy, his father was killed, his mom died.. Etc. Etc. No kidding.
And add to it, Marcos was fined 230K US as fine for stealing, as if that's going to hurt them, and Mama Marcos is representing RP for a UN Conferene, and Marcos Jr is poised to be the next president, and even Estrada won enough votes. Because "he seem like nice guy. "
And while Gloria is not a clean sheet, she did a lot for the economy, but who cares? We better have the Marcos in power, despite their billions of stolen money still unaccounted.
Welcome to Phil
Atleast such comedies keep things cheaper, and if not for the slightly unsafe environs, I am sure, that country will overtake Thailand for cheap mongerers.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]No kidding mate. They will slit their throats than speak sensibly.
After all people voted Pnoy in because he is a sad guy, his father was killed, his mom died.. Etc. Etc. No kidding.
And add to it, Marcos was fined 230K US as fine for stealing, as if that's going to hurt them, and Mama Marcos is representing RP for a UN Conferene, and Marcos Jr is poised to be the next president, and even Estrada won enough votes. Because "he seem like nice guy. "
And while Gloria is not a clean sheet, she did a lot for the economy, but who cares? We better have the Marcos in power, despite their billions of stolen money still unaccounted.
Welcome to Phil
Atleast such comedies keep things cheaper, and if not for the slightly unsafe environs, I am sure, that country will overtake Thailand for cheap mongerers.[/QUOTE]Econo,
Mongering pros and cons
PI
Pro cheap GFE good exchange rate
Con unsafe crooked government and police
Thailand
Pro easy access to actions safe country friendly people
Con girl with attuide bad exchange rate and getting more expensive
China
Pro cheap lovely girl I speak Chinese big plus for me
Con crack down price is going up
Brazil
Pro hot sexy woman with hot body best in bed
Con bad exchange rate and very expensive
Indoneasia
Pro hot woman very good value good exchange rate
Con girl with attuide no GFE crooked pimp and scam unsafe
Cambodia
Pro pretty hot viet girl cheap price
Con dirty shit hole country girl lack of experience un safe country
Just my IMHO anyone care to add to this
Fast Eddie 8
Is it safe in South? I know they were kidnapping folks at one time.
[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]Is it safe in South? I know they were kidnapping folks at one time.[/QUOTE]
It depends where in the south you go. I visit Davao frequently and have always felt safe. Just don't bring attention to yourself unnecessarily, and stay in the main areas. Use normal caution, just like in any major city.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]
PI
Pro cheap GFE good exchange rate
Con unsafe crooked government and police
Thailand
Pro easy access to actions safe country friendly people
Con girl with attitude bad exchange rate and getting more expensive
China
Pro cheap lovely girl I speak Chinese big plus for me
Con crack down price is going up
Brazil
Pro hot sexy woman with hot body best in bed
Con bad exchange rate and very expensive
Indoneasia
Pro hot woman very good value good exchange rate
Con girl with attitude no GFE crooked pimp and scam unsafe
Cambodia
Pro pretty hot viet girl cheap price
Con dirty shit hole country girl lack of experience un safe country
Just my IMHO anyone care to add to this[/QUOTE]
Macau (assuming it's not includes in the China report card above)
Pro legal variety hot
Con language attitude pricey
Germany
Pro legal hot variety safe
Con pricey language
Netherlands
Pro legal safe
Con pricey language clinical
Nevada (some counties, not Vegas)
Pro legal
Con pricey attitude clinical
Central Asia / Africa: RTFF
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]No kidding mate. They will slit their throats than speak sensibly.
After all people voted Pnoy in because he is a sad guy, his father was killed, his mom died.. Etc. Etc. No kidding.
And add to it, Marcos was fined 230K US as fine for stealing, as if that's going to hurt them, and Mama Marcos is representing RP for a UN Conferene, and Marcos Jr is poised to be the next president, and even Estrada won enough votes. Because "he seem like nice guy. "
And while Gloria is not a clean sheet, she did a lot for the economy, but who cares? We better have the Marcos in power, despite their billions of stolen money still unaccounted.
Welcome to Phil
Atleast such comedies keep things cheaper, and if not for the slightly unsafe environs, I am sure, that country will overtake Thailand for cheap mongerers.[/QUOTE]
Very good point Econo...I agree...However, If we put things in perspective...we see this problem in all countries.. be they developed or third world....I'm from India and i always thought Indian government is the most corrupt in the world..
Then this bush guy came along and i really had long nights thinking how could the most prosperous intellectually sound economic superpower could elect Bush Jr. Not Once BUT TWICE ?
He went onto to war on fake WMD lies, yet no criminal charges against him..he is a free man even today...his decision killed 1000's and 1000's of Iraqis..all for Oil and his friend Cheney Haliburton.
I think Bush father and Bush Jr are more criminal to the world than Pnoy or marcos...yet they walk free among the most free nation on earth?
America has elected one stupid president after another...and this latest Obama guy is a shame for what he told and what he really is doing..he doubled troops in Afghanistan and innocents people are killed by drone's.
I think if American's can be that stupid than we should give a pass on filipinos 'cos Pnoy in or not...the world could care less..
We only have to look back at history on how the so called today's prosperous nations on earth aka Germany or Japan were murderous genocidal thugs who butchered millions just 60 years ago...Their elected leader nearly destroyed the whole planet ...I think if we measure Filipinos to all the crime committed by other nations over the years and AT PRESENT DAY....filpinos would be like angels on earth :)
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OK my whole point being...I think we shouldn't judge people of a country based on how its government works...I have met great Americans who are against what their presidents are doing the world over...so too i have met great filipinos who don't agree at all with what their country is going with
[url]www.antipinoy.com[/url]
Check the above site..on how filipino writers rip their country apart....I have never seen such a critical analysis from even an Amercian or Indian writers against their own country.
Political division's aside...Be they American's, Europeans, Indians, Chinese OR Filipinos....We all are really same, their are scums in each country and then their are great people whom we would love to have a beer with.
I think we have been too judgmental clubbing all Philippine society based on what their leaders do ...Philiphines is not that bad.....I have met some really cool people over there. :)
[QUOTE=Luckyguy7198]Macau (assuming it's not includes in the China report card above)
Pro legal variety hot
Con language attitude pricey
Germany
Pro legal hot variety safe
Con pricey language
Netherlands
Pro legal safe
Con pricey language clinical
Nevada (some counties, not Vegas)
Pro legal
Con pricey attitude clinical
Central Asia / Africa: RTFF[/QUOTE]Lucky
No Macau is very different than China sauna there are legal but control, I am going to Vegas next week never p4p there go there twice a yr and you can get FS in China for 25 USD same cost for a lap dance in LV, I called it scam city not sin city.
Fast Eddie 48
Reply inline below:
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Econo,
Mongering pros and cons
PI
Pro cheap GFE good exchange rate
Con unsafe crooked government and police
** pro filipinas are charmers, seductresses
foreigners highly valued cuz they are desperate to get out of that crap country.
cost of living still relatively cheap, especially in the provinces
speak more English than other places.
**con
idiots cannot keep the electricity on-no air cond. or fan if no generator
visa fees are outrageous, example of being held up without a gun.
crap food, crap housing, recent outbreaks of dengue fever
electricity rates high,food rates high except for locally produced
scammers and low life corrupt officials abound
hot and humid-bad climate (better than cold and freezing though)
Thailand
Pro easy access to actions safe country friendly people
**pro people slightly more trustworthy and have more integrity that Phil
housing much better and cheaper than Phil
food much better than Phil.
not as bad for scammers and corrupt criminals
can usually keep electric on.
Con girl with attuide bad exchange rate and getting more expensive
**con
girls too independent and demanding
most cannot speak English and Thai is not easy to learn (tonal language)
women not as desperate and willing to accomodate foreigners.
China
Pro cheap lovely girl I speak Chinese big plus for me
** pro chinese women have a rep for being good wives?
boom country with many get rich biz opportunities if you learn the ropes and language
provinces still relatively cheap
Con crack down price is going up
**con Chinese very difficult to learn
communist country, you could wind up in the gulag for no good reason
will become the world dominant power in the future with america in decline (my opinion)
Brazil
Pro hot sexy woman with hot body best in bed
Con bad exchange rate and very expensive
**pro women HOT in bed, uninhibited, view sex same as good meal
(porn is shown on daytime tv)
** beautiful brown skin beauties to be found
** well developed infrastructure, nice beaches, good climate
** huge country with many variations
con **very high armed robbery rates in Rio and similar cities, tourists a target.
foreign language to learn
gov visa policies hostile towards Americans
too damn expensive, both poon and living.
Indoneasia
Pro hot woman very good value good exchange rate
** pro: can be VERY cheap in smaller cities and provinces
less chance of being scammed (in my opinion).
Con girl with attuide no GFE crooked pimp and scam unsafe
**con
Muslim values and attitudes towards prostitution.
Muslim anti westerner attitudes
possibility of terrorist acts
Cambodia
Pro pretty hot viet girl cheap price
Con dirty shit hole country girl lack of experience un safe country
Just my IMHO anyone care to add to this
*pro cheap in smaller cities
easy cheap visa requirements
possibility of starting rapid growth business in undeveloped country
*con
unsafe, especially at night
little or no infrastructure
can be expensive in P.P.
girls often too young, jail bait.
Fast Eddie 8[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Amavida]Calm down dude, all of these 'dating' web sites a filled to bursting with women from third world countries looking for a remittance boyfriend, ticket out of the country. Whether this results in a stable marital relationship is highly questionable but can be achieved. If you _MUST_ go down the marriage track, come here & live with her/them for a while (e.g. six months) before making _ANY_ rash decisions. Aim for a girl from a rich chinese/filipino family for god's sakes.
AV[/QUOTE]The more I think about this advice, the more sense it makes. I'm learning as I go but much respect for The Word.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SBL6dgBBak[/url]
This was on CBS TV news in the US tonight.
Good exchange rate?? I was getting 51 pesos to the dollar in May, now less than 44.
[QUOTE=Jambo][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SBL6dgBBak[/url]
This was on CBS TV news in the US tonight.[/QUOTE]
Wow the Vid was amusing and different...I guess this could become the next highest viewed video from Cebu right after Cebu inmates Thriller dance :)
Good promotion for Cebu Pacific
[QUOTE=Starchild2012]Wow the Vid was amusing and different...I guess this could become the next highest viewed video from Cebu right after Cebu inmates Thriller dance :)
Good promotion for Cebu Pacific[/QUOTE]And a lot of kill-joys are questioning if any laws were broken by not following 'proper procedures' and so and so.
Anyway, I always liked Cebu Pac's staff. Fun. And with a single aisle plane they can only do so much fun. But hey. They are much better than Philippines Airlines.
Matter of fact, me thinks with Philippines airlines fucked, everybody is taking a swipe at Cebu Pac. Including the recent refusal of Cebu Pac to transport kidneys. As they simply followed laws. And they were perfectly right.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]And a lot of kill-joys are questioning if any laws were broken by not following 'proper procedures' and so and so.
Anyway, I always liked Cebu Pac's staff. Fun. And with a single aisle plane they can only do so much fun. But hey. They are much better than Philippines Airlines.
Matter of fact, me thinks with Philippines airlines fucked, everybody is taking a swipe at Cebu Pac. Including the recent refusal of Cebu Pac to transport kidneys. As they simply followed laws. And they were perfectly right.[/QUOTE]
I guess we all see the world differently. I go out of my way to avoid having to fly Cebu Pacific, and will always fly PAL if given a choice. I find PAL totally professional and helpful, while CP always seems to me like an airline run by 18 year old amateurs.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I go out of my way to avoid having to fly Cebu Pacific,[/QUOTE]Hey they are the 2nd largest air line in the Philippines!
[QUOTE=David_33]Good exchange rate?? I was getting 51 pesos to the dollar in May, now less than 44.[/QUOTE]Where did you get 51 pesos to the dollar? According to [url=http://www.exchange-rates.org/history/PHP/USD/T]this table of historical exchange rates (PHP to USD)[/url], the rates in May were between 44.xx and 47.xx.
[QUOTE=Jambo]Hey they are the 2nd largest air line in the Philippines![/QUOTE]
And Jollibee, which serves inedible food is the largest, most popular restaurant. But that doesn't mean I would ever set foot in one.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]And a lot of kill-joys are questioning if any laws were broken by not following 'proper procedures' and so and so.
Anyway, I always liked Cebu Pac's staff. Fun. And with a single aisle plane they can only do so much fun. But hey. They are much better than Philippines Airlines.
Matter of fact, me thinks with Philippines airlines fucked, everybody is taking a swipe at Cebu Pac. Including the recent refusal of Cebu Pac to transport kidneys. As they simply followed laws. And they were perfectly right.[/QUOTE]
yeah there are always those kinds...they did the usual boring routine on ground before doing this one...and if major US and Europeans news picks it up...which they did..i don't think anyone would questions legalities here in PH :) ..already 3.5 millions views in 48 hrs :)
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]And Jollibee, which serves inedible food is the largest, most popular restaurant. But that doesn't mean I would ever set foot in one.[/QUOTE]
For what it is worth, I am a mega frequent flier (over 5 million miles with many carriers globally). I have flown Cebu Pacific about 4 times and find them a pleasant and efficient airline.
A cheap and cheerful airline with a very nice crew. Not the luxurious ambiance of Singapore but I will fly them fo (at most) a 2 hour flight around HK and the Philippines.
I liked the comment where the guy said; that would keep him in the upright postion.
I've been having a great time in the Philippines (see my P Galera and Manila Posts) but one thing has totally stumped me:
My personal circumstances mean that I NEVER travel with toys or accessories but always buy them at my final destination. This is usually never a problem but here I have been totally unable to find any lube despite muti day searches in large Pharmacies and Shopping Centres.
Is lube available in the Philippines? If so where from? Is it called something wierd over here that I am not recognising?
Maybe a stupid question but I know I'm not going crazy. The girls in PG only had lube supplied from departing customers and two pickups from Burgos did not even know what I was talking about when asked.
Any assistance would be gratefully received.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I guess we all see the world differently. I go out of my way to avoid having to fly Cebu Pacific, and will always fly PAL if given a choice. I find PAL totally professional and helpful, while CP always seems to me like an airline run by 18 year old amateurs.
GE[/QUOTE]
GE
You know I always fly CP...because there are 18 year old amateurs in the crew :) :D
It is a good airline and cheaper than PAL and you know how many miles I fly
But then again you think bangers and mash is not cuisine while I do ..especially when topped off with ketchup :D
But I do agree Jollibee is something that is purely disgusting.....
Oh oh, here's the "Making of Dancing Flight Attendants" video. Even better.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h40S3Uemx4I&feature=related[/url]
This would NOT Work with those 300lb Water Buffaloes they got working on United Airlines
[QUOTE=Goferring]Is lube available in the Philippines? If so where from? Is it called something wierd over here that I am not recognising?[/QUOTE]
I don't use toys, but when I go for a 3-holer,
my choice is baby-oil.
Cheers!
That will eat a condom, if it matters. Should have KY in drugstores. Medical presentation, but the same stuff. Goferring, I have some spare lube with me if you need some...
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]GE
You know I always fly CP...because there are 18 year old amateurs in the crew :) :D
It is a good airline and cheaper than PAL and you know how many miles I fly
But then again you think bangers and mash is not cuisine while I do ..especially when topped off with ketchup :D
But I do agree Jollibee is something that is purely disgusting.....[/QUOTE]Maybe you are pretty right, because Cebu Pac has the highest number of freshers - maybe because they get paid less to build hours ?? :confused:
And it is not surprising to see both right and left seaters below 30 !!!
As for the professionalism of PAL, well, Cebu Pac never compromised on Safety, and so is PAL, and Cebu Pac does have one of the youngest fleets.
[QUOTE=David_33]That will eat a condom, if it matters. Should have KY in drugstores. Medical presentation, but the same stuff. Goferring, I have some spare lube with me if you need some...[/QUOTE]
Why does does that not surprise me David :D
You can get in most pharmacies but never really seen the flavoured stuff, although at times (rarely) have seen the Durex cherry stuff ...not my flavour but then I dont taste it ;) Girls seem to like it....
[QUOTE=Ekspat]I don't use toys, but when I go for a 3-holer,
my choice is baby-oil.
Cheers![/QUOTE]Another option is coconut oil, which is the standard cooking oil used in the Philippines. Not recommended with latex condoms, however, since it may degrade the latex.
[QUOTE=Goferring]Is lube available in the Philippines? If so where from? Is it called something wierd over here that I am not recognising?
[/QUOTE]
As the other poster mentioned, I got KY in a tube from a pharmacy. They probably all have it, just ask for lube or KY maybe.
[QUOTE=Goferring].............
Is lube available in the Philippines? If so where from? Is it called something wierd over here that I am not recognising?
.[/QUOTE]
I just did a quick check of 3 pharmacies/boticas in Manila - 2 in Ortigas (Mercury Drug and Watsons) and 1 in Makati (Watsons).
All had KY gel in tubes on the shelf. All had a great array of condoms of all brands and colors and flavors. All had the small sachets of flavored gel in the display next to the condoms.
You never looked hard enough Goferring. Were you too embarrassed to ask a shop assistant lol?
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]I just did a quick check of 3 pharmacies/boticas in Manila - 2 in Ortigas (Mercury Drug and Watsons) and 1 in Makati (Watsons).
All had KY gel in tubes on the shelf. All had a great array of condoms of all brands and colors and flavors. All had the small sachets of flavored gel in the display next to the condoms.
You never looked hard enough Goferring. Were you too embarrassed to ask a shop assistant lol?[/QUOTE]Maybe he got flustered by the ever helpful filipino staff ... if there is one thing I hate in Philippines - it is the constant service offered by the service staff, which is considered good by most, but, even when you tell them you don't need .. they keep following you until you either give up or tell them that you haven't made up your mind :( :(
It happened to me when I was picking condoms, and it was more than a bit embarassing when the girl insisted on suggesting some brands .. :( it is a different matter that I ended up picking her phone number, but left without condoms .. as she was more than open enough to tell me that she is 'clean' and condom is for the 'dirty' girls.
Long life the Church !! :D :D
Is it possible to buy smartbuddy (or globe) pre paid Micro SIM card for the Iphone 4?
I jailbreaked it and ran snow whatever thinggie, so it should accept the philippine SIM.
I guess I should go to the smart office in Robinson.
But what are the prices, and how can I buy 3G credit so I can get my emails and stuff without having to worry about trafic and RIP OFF roaming at 10 EUROS per MB.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Key Master]As the other poster mentioned, I got KY in a tube from a pharmacy. They probably all have it, just ask for lube or KY maybe.[/QUOTE]Key Master,
KY is easy to find but try finding a girl in PI that will do ANAL now that is not easy, your best bet is go to Thailand for that.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]Maybe he got flustered by the ever helpful filipino staff ... if there is one thing I hate in Philippines - it is the constant service offered by the service staff, which is considered good by most, but, even when you tell them you don't need .. they keep following you until you either give up or tell them that you haven't made up your mind :( :(
It happened to me when I was picking condoms, and it was more than a bit embarassing when the girl insisted on suggesting some brands .. :( it is a different matter that I ended up picking her phone number, but left without condoms .. as she was more than open enough to tell me that she is 'clean' and condom is for the 'dirty' girls.
Long life the Church !! :D :D[/QUOTE]
For those situations in many Asian countries where the shop assistants shadow you, you ask them if they have Pseudopharmacon - usually they go off to the pharmacist and there is much looking up of books of lists of medicines. There is, of course, no such thing as Pseudopharmacon - it just means "false or pseudo-medicine" in ancient Greek (most medical terms come from ancient Greek).
[QUOTE=Simian]For those situations in many Asian countries where the shop assistants shadow you, you ask them if they have Pseudopharmacon - usually they go off to the pharmacist and there is much looking up of books of lists of medicines. There is, of course, no such thing as Pseudopharmacon - it just means "false or pseudo-medicine" in ancient Greek (most medical terms come from ancient Greek).[/QUOTE]Have to remember that, when I get harassed by a service staff.
Thanks mate
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]KY is easy to find but try finding a girl in PI that will do ANAL now that is not easy, your best bet is go to Thailand for that.[/QUOTE]But judging by some of the pictures in the gallery, seems not. But me too have to agree with you.
Hi
I'm due to arrive in Manila on Friday from Bangkok. Because I don't know when I'll be returning I only bought a one-way ticket. It's now just occured to me that maybe that's going to be a problem at PH immigation. I have a return flight booked from BKK to Europe at the end of October.
Any thoughts from the PH experts?
A
There is a sign in immigration which says you have to show your return ticket upon entering the country. Didn't ask me for mine.....but who knows? This has been discussed on the forum previously.
[QUOTE=David_33]There is a sign in immigration which says you have to show your return ticket upon entering the country. Didn't ask me for mine.....but who knows? This has been discussed on the forum previously.[/QUOTE]Be careful about that it's dangerous to play Russian roulette. The trouble is not immigration it's you leave to go the Phils. In BKK, Cebu pacific refused to let me embark unless I bought a return ticket. I had to struggle to find a wifi to book a cheapo Clark. Macau for 2, 000 pesos which I never used.
Airlines gets fined by Phils authorities if they let you enter the country without a return ticket.
[QUOTE=Artful]Hi
I'm due to arrive in Manila on Friday from Bangkok. Because I don't know when I'll be returning I only bought a one-way ticket. It's now just occured to me that maybe that's going to be a problem at PH immigation. I have a return flight booked from BKK to Europe at the end of October.
Any thoughts from the PH experts?
A[/QUOTE]
The problem should occur at check in in Bkk when the airline has to check your ticket OUT of the Philippines before they carry you here.
It is cheap to buy a return ticket with Cebu Pacific from Manila to Bkk at some date near the end of Oct and you can change it once with no penalty if you do it 24 hours before the flight. I would do that if I were you for peace of mind, especially as you have to return to Bkk anyway.
[QUOTE=Escort Fan]Is it possible to buy smartbuddy (or globe) pre paid Micro SIM card for the Iphone 4?
I jailbreaked it and ran snow whatever thinggie, so it should accept the philippine SIM.
I guess I should go to the smart office in Robinson.
But what are the prices, and how can I buy 3G credit so I can get my emails and stuff without having to worry about trafic and RIP OFF roaming at 10 EUROS per MB.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Probably micro-sims only available from Globe, and you'll probably have to go to one of their company stores to boot. Iphone is exclusive to globe in Philippines, but is sold in a prepay version.
Prepaid data is timed, works out to P20 per hour, billed out in 15 or 30 minute chunks depending on which carrier. Its billed off the same load as your calls/texts. There's a couple apps on Cydia that will let U-turn data on/off on demand, but when you do a reboot on the phone data automatically switches off, so if your phone crashes and reboots, remember to switch the data off asap.
On my recent trip I also picked up an unlocked Samsung Galaxy 5 android phone, quite cheap at P10, 500 compared to the price of any other Android 2. 1/2. 2 phone in my country.
[QUOTE=Artful]Hi
I'm due to arrive in Manila on Friday from Bangkok. Because I don't know when I'll be returning I only bought a one-way ticket. It's now just occured to me that maybe that's going to be a problem at PH immigation. I have a return flight booked from BKK to Europe at the end of October.
Any thoughts from the PH experts?
A[/QUOTE]
Phi immigration never asked me for return ticket proof.
But the airline on check in has always asked me for proof of return.
So it is the Airline you need to worry about, not Phi immigration.
[QUOTE=Sammon]Phi immigration never asked me for return ticket proof.
But the airline on check in has always asked me for proof of return.
So it is the Airline you need to worry about, not Phi immigration.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Once when in BKK I tried to organise a one-way ticket to Manila. The travel agent tried very hard to persude me I needed a return ticket but I wasn't going back to Thailand and I insisted on one-way ticket which was reluctantly agreed to. At the airport check-in the PAL clerk was adamant I wasn't getting on the plane without a ticket out of PI. It could be to anywhere but I had to have it.
[QUOTE=Artful]Hi
I'm due to arrive in Manila on Friday from Bangkok. Because I don't know when I'll be returning I only bought a one-way ticket. It's now just occured to me that maybe that's going to be a problem at PH immigation. I have a return flight booked from BKK to Europe at the end of October.
Any thoughts from the PH experts?
A[/QUOTE]
I do not count me as an expert. There are more experienced experts than me (around 7-8 visits) but my encounter the immigration in Manila was a refresher to put me on my place. All earlier immigration experiences were like walking in the park. This time Cebu Pacific has cancelled my route to AC and I had to use NAIA. There was one 55+ years female bat whos' only remaining goal in her life was to humiliate any male tourists arriving to PI. I had to dig up my return ticket. I do not know what would have happened if I did not have the return ticket.
According to my one time negative experience I think it is lottery who you meet on immigration desk.
[QUOTE=Artful]Hi
I'm due to arrive in Manila on Friday from Bangkok. Because I don't know when I'll be returning I only bought a one-way ticket. It's now just occured to me that maybe that's going to be a problem at PH immigation. I have a return flight booked from BKK to Europe at the end of October.
Any thoughts from the PH experts?
A[/QUOTE]
A one way ticket out of the PI dated some time in the future by one of the discount airlines is not that much to pay for peace of mind. Normally the airlines going into the country ask for the onward booking. The reason for this is that Phils immigration can require the incoming airline to take the passenger back to where he came from at their expense.
[QUOTE=Goferring]I've been having a great time in the Philippines (see my P Galera and Manila Posts) but one thing has totally stumped me:
My personal circumstances mean that I NEVER travel with toys or accessories but always buy them at my final destination. This is usually never a problem but here I have been totally unable to find any lube despite muti day searches in large Pharmacies and Shopping Centres.[/QUOTE]You'll find it in Watson. Called Bliss. It's not over the counter, it's in the shop. You need to look around for it or ask the sales lady or guard. Mercury has too but not as good. BTW, Mercury condoms are bad as well. Best ones are Trust, and you find them in Watson as well (plus all around the place except Mercury).
[QUOTE=Starchild2012]Denom...Yeah... Manila mayor Lim is responsible for most of the bad call...all senate hearing and investigation point to his bad decision one after the other...if he does not go ..some one has to....As you said its unlikely he will be fired.....but everyday we get news of his involvement which led to the crisis.[/QUOTE]Aquino is due to release the Palace decision on the investigation report today but you know what this IDIOT does? He praises Lim for a "job well done" in an unrelated even in Tondo just days before his announcement!
[url]http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20101002-295598/Aquino-praises-Lim-for-job-well-done[/url]
Yet another Aquino's stupendous goof. So what do you expect the "sanction" announcement to be after that? He's not going to do shit. Most probably going to say something like "has to be further enquiry to determine sanctions" (read: whitewash) or he'll take some minor administrative sanctions. I bet you. Aquino's credibility is quickly going down the drain.
[QUOTE=Rubberyman]A one way ticket out of the PI dated some time in the future by one of the discount airlines is not that much to pay for peace of mind. Normally the airlines going into the country ask for the onward booking. The reason for this is that Phils immigration can require the incoming airline to take the passenger back to where he came from at their expense.[/QUOTE]The best way I found was to buy a slightly more expensive ticket (like Thai airways) but one where you can change the date for free.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]But judging by some of the pictures in the gallery, seems not. But me too have to agree with you.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely correct ET...just the way you ask...;) and explain that you have deviriginised plenty pinay ass before so you are kind, gentle etc despite being a dirty assed monger :D
I have no trouble with finding ladies for Greek lessons...remember they think all things sexual are dirty etc so when they get really horny after finding out that all the bad things are actually fun, they are relaxed and very much in the zone....thats the time to ask...;) Just my thoughts on the classics!
[QUOTE=Escort Fan]Be careful about that it's dangerous to play Russian roulette. The trouble is not immigration it's you leave to go the Phils. In BKK, Cebu pacific refused to let me embark unless I bought a return ticket. I had to struggle to find a wifi to book a cheapo Clark. Macau for 2, 000 pesos which I never used.
Airlines gets fined by Phils authorities if they let you enter the country without a return ticket.[/QUOTE]Airlines may or may not get fined. The bigger headache is. The airline has the right to recover the return flight cost. And if it is a regular carrier, they can bump you to a see class and whack you. Legally. But it rarely happens.
The bigger headache is Immigration can put a stamp, which can raise eyebrows in other countries. Like in Singapore. They drop a W12. And when you get into Malaysia, you get a reject with no reason. And also sometimes a chop that says A2A in Malaysia, and when you get to Singapore, and if you are not so attractive you can be rejected entry. With no reason.
Play safe
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]But judging by some of the pictures in the gallery, seems not. But me too have to agree with you.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely correct ET...just the way you ask...;) and explain that you have deviriginised plenty pinay ass before so you are kind, gentle etc despite being a dirty assed monger :D
I have no trouble with finding ladies for Greek lessons...remember they think all things sexual are dirty etc so when they get really horny after finding out that all the bad things are actually fun, they are relaxed and very much in the zone....thats the time to ask...;) Just my thoughts on the classics!
[QUOTE=Jambo]Oh oh, here's the "Making of Dancing Flight Attendants" video. Even better.[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h40S3Uemx4I&feature=related[/url][/QUOTE]
The dancing Cebu Pacific flight attendants video made the Bill O'Reilly show last night in the pinheads and patriots segment. Anybody can vote for or against the girls. [url]http://www.billoreilly.com/site[/url]
If you got a kick out of the video then cast your vote in favor. They won't get it in Peoria.
[QUOTE=Denom]Aquino is due to release the Palace decision on the investigation report today but you know what this IDIOT does? He praises Lim for a "job well done" in an unrelated even in Tondo just days before his announcement!
[url]http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20101002-295598/Aquino-praises-Lim-for-job-well-done[/url]
Yet another Aquino's stupendous goof. So what do you expect the "sanction" announcement to be after that? He's not going to do shit. Most probably going to say something like "has to be further enquiry to determine sanctions" (read: whitewash) or he'll take some minor administrative sanctions. I bet you. Aquino's credibility is quickly going down the drain.[/QUOTE]Guys, better to place these comments in the History and Politics Forum.
For sure, we'll have lot's more to discuss as P-Noys 'Titanic' continues on.
[QUOTE=Black Hawk69]Can anyone be kind enough to provide me with the link to a good online translator that will translate phrases from english/tagalog and english/cebuano. It will be much appreciated![/QUOTE]
That is so easy... Best in world
[url]http://translate.google.com/#[/url]
[QUOTE=White Whale]That is so easy... Best in world
[url]http://translate.google.com/#[/url][/QUOTE]Translates Filipino (Taglish) to english, no Cebuano.
[QUOTE=Escort Fan]Is it possible to buy smartbuddy (or globe) pre paid Micro SIM card for the Iphone 4?
I jailbreaked it and ran snow whatever thinggie, so it should accept the philippine SIM.
I guess I should go to the smart office in Robinson.
But what are the prices, and how can I buy 3G credit so I can get my emails and stuff without having to worry about trafic and RIP OFF roaming at 10 EUROS per MB.
Thanks[/QUOTE]A little known secret my friend. Just cut your regular SIM and slide it into your iPhone 4 or iPad. snip, snip, snip away. The actual chip part is the same size.
I have used both Globe and Smart 3G on my 3GS. A quick google search will reveal the prepaid APN settings for Globe and SMART and instructions on how to program them into your phone.
If you have any more specific questions, just PM me.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]Translates Filipino (Taglish) to english, no Cebuano.[/QUOTE]
Hi Eco,
Filipino language is NOT called Taglish.
The term "Filipino" is Synonymus with "Tagalog".
Taglish is a mix between Tagalog and English, as spoken very often in everday life.
Just to avoid confusion.
[QUOTE=Rampana]Hi Eco,
Filipino language is NOT called Taglish.
The term "Filipino" is Synonymus with "Tagalog".
Taglish is a mix between Tagalog and English, as spoken very often in everday life.
Just to avoid confusion.[/QUOTE]Relax mate. The Google Translate has the language "Filipino". And as for Taglish, have you ever withdrawn money in the ATMs in Philippines? Next time, read the language options. Forgot which one, but some had "english, taglish" as options. No kidding.
[QUOTE=Benzedrine]A little known secret my friend. Just cut your regular SIM and slide it into your iPhone 4 or iPad. snip, snip, snip away. The actual chip part is the same size.
I have used both Globe and Smart 3G on my 3GS. A quick google search will reveal the prepaid APN settings for Globe and SMART and instructions on how to program them into your phone.
If you have any more specific questions, just PM me.[/QUOTE]WIFI is in just about every hotel and many bars so why even worry about the data package.
You can get the micro sim for the iPhone4 and the iPad only from Globe here, and it costs Php 1,000 per month for unlimited net access and downloads. That is, if you don't want to cut down an existing sim. When I was in Singapore about a month ago, I bought a small cutting instrument designed to cut down regular-size sim cards to the micro size. It works fine as well. There are also small kiosk-like shops that offer the "trimming to micro size" service and will do it for you for a couple of dollars. I don't think you can get the sim from Globe without a plan.
GE
Hello everyone!
I'm going to visit the Philippines in February, but I would like to leave some luggage in the store 's airport because I come from Europe and I'm sure that I will have a heavy luggage, over 15 kg allowed.
I decided to travel with Cebu Pacific, in its terminal 3, is there a luggage storage there?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Lonely Traveler]Hello everyone!
I'm going to visit the Philippines in February, but I would like to leave some luggage in the store 's airport because I come from Europe and I'm sure that I will have a heavy luggage, over 15 kg allowed.
I decided to travel with Cebu Pacific, in its terminal 3, is there a luggage storage there?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Found this somewhere .. but my own take ?? I don't trust my stuff with anybody .. better you check into a hotel in Manila, and leave with the concierge - experience says Hotel Concierges are safer - as I used to do when I leave manila for a couple of days.
PS: T3 is new - should have a "left luggage" facility (as they are known in Philippines )
Q: Can I go out for a walk in Manila and left my luggage in the airport?
A: There are two luggage holds. One is in NAIA-1 and one is in NAIA-2. Both are on arrival level near the luggage carousels. It is a bit tricky to get there from outside, but when you arrive, you can leave your luggage there for PHP 300 per day. You get a ticket which allows you later to enter the arrival area from outside. For inquiries: phone: +63 2 877-1109 local 3633. (updated April 01, 2009).
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]Relax mate. The Google Translate has the language "Filipino". And as for Taglish, have you ever withdrawn money in the ATMs in Philippines? Next time, read the language options. Forgot which one, but some had "english, taglish" as options. No kidding.[/QUOTE]You are correct., All BPI ATMS ask if you want Taglish or English.
[QUOTE=Lonely Traveler]Hello everyone!
I'm going to visit the Philippines in February, but I would like to leave some luggage in the store 's airport because I come from Europe and I'm sure that I will have a heavy luggage, over 15 kg allowed.
I decided to travel with Cebu Pacific, in its terminal 3, is there a luggage storage there?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
I would agree with ET
I use CPac a lot and you can pre pay for excess baggage (I had 40kgs recently...accessories etc ;)). But if you want to travel light then I suggest you book one night in an hotel on your return to Manila and ask the hotel to care for the bages
I even left luggage in an hotel, went overseas and came back 2 weeks later and the bag was still there - I had changed my mind and was staying at different hotel (tip the bag man well is my idea). Just explain and all will be fine and IMHO certainly safer than leaving at the terminal.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan]You are correct., All BPI ATMS ask if you want Taglish or English.[/QUOTE]
According to what I've read, very few Filipinos speak pure Tagalog. This is especially true for those outside of the metro Manila area. A child's first language is typically one of the regional tongues such as Chevacanco, Visayan, or Ilocano. For foreigner residing outside of Manila, learning pure Tagalog isn't very helpful. The simple fact is, despite what the guidebooks may say, and possibly to the chagrin of the government, there is no common, unifying national language unless perhaps it's Taglish.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]According to what I've read, very few Filipinos speak pure Tagalog. This is especially true for those outside of the metro Manila area. A child's first language is typically one of the regional tongues such as Chevacanco, Visayan, or Ilocano. For foreigner residing outside of Manila, learning pure Tagalog isn't very helpful. The simple fact is, despite what the guidebooks may say, and possibly to the chagrin of the government, there is no common, unifying national language unless perhaps it's Taglish.
GE[/QUOTE]
That is true in my experience GE. The only people I know who speak/understand Tagalog fluently are educated Manila people & us 'poriners' who learned it.
Out side of Manila these people switch to dialect when conversing because basically the hicks in the province can't keep up with a native Tagalog speaker. Also there is a deep suspicion/mistrust of 'Manila people'.
I spent quite a lot of time around the Dipolog area in Mindanao in the past & found in those parts Tagalog about as useful as English i.e. not very...
I simply had to learn Cebuano for everyday activities. Even senior college students who should have had years of English/Tagalog classes were pretty clueless once you got past 'hello, how are you'.
Interestingly as I moved further south west from Dipolog towards say, Sindangan, it got worse! People only an hour or two drive from Dipolog speak a very local dialect called 'Subanen'. These folk are descendants of tribes of coastal people who were indigenous before the moslems walked in & took over the peninsula of Zamboanga.
AV
[QUOTE=Denom]Aquino is due to release the Palace decision on the investigation report today but you know what this IDIOT does? He praises Lim for a "job well done" in an unrelated even in Tondo just days before his announcement!
[url]http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20101002-295598/Aquino-praises-Lim-for-job-well-done[/url]
Yet another Aquino's stupendous goof. So what do you expect the "sanction" announcement to be after that? He's not going to do shit. Most probably going to say something like "has to be further enquiry to determine sanctions" (read: whitewash) or he'll take some minor administrative sanctions. I bet you. Aquino's credibility is quickly going down the drain.[/QUOTE]And this is exactly what happened. None get criminal charges, all charges lifted for his friends Puno and the like, only light "administrative" charges against Lim (read: nothing really, just for show), and only the smaller fishes (police official) get the blame on very general charges whereas specific charges against political allies (the real culprit) are ignored.
What else is new? The whole thing is a joke and a waste of time, with the IIRC recommendations basically ignored by the "President" after over-long delays. If I was Chinese from Hong Kong I would be steaming mad but I am not so let's just move on to the next mongering business while we still can...
[QUOTE=Denom]And this is exactly what happened. None get criminal charges, all charges lifted for his friends Puno and the like, only light "administrative" charges against Lim (read: nothing really, just for show), and only the smaller fishes (police official) get the blame on very general charges whereas specific charges against political allies (the real culprit) are ignored.
What else is new? The whole thing is a joke and a waste of time, with the IIRC recommendations basically ignored by the "President" after over-long delays. If I was Chinese from Hong Kong I would be steaming mad but I am not so let's just move on to the next mongering business while we still can...[/QUOTE]My 2 cents? If a country can vote Estrada as second place for Presidential election and let the marcos family be in the senate. Don't bother whining of fuming about it. Philippines is for Filipinos. Lesser mortals like us will never figure out what is in their head.
And as for Chinese fuming, the filipinos replied nicely by compiling a list of human rights violations by China and there you have it: It was sort of OK for the tourists to be killed, and worse. Donald Tsang only complicated the issue by not following 'protocol'
Next question please?
[QUOTE=Denom]And this is exactly what happened. None get criminal charges, all charges lifted for his friends Puno and the like, only light "administrative" charges against Lim (read: nothing really, just for show), and only the smaller fishes (police official) get the blame on very general charges whereas specific charges against political allies (the real culprit) are ignored.
What else is new? The whole thing is a joke and a waste of time, with the IIRC recommendations basically ignored by the "President" after over-long delays. If I was Chinese from Hong Kong I would be steaming mad but I am not so let's just move on to the next mongering business while we still can...[/QUOTE]
You were right Denom...As we discussed earlier, all the accused in the report will be praised and left free...its sad...another six years wasted again ...I don't think we will see any changes in the PH...it would be things as usual.....the thing is Marcos son is raising his voice and he could get a shot at presidency some time.
Well, being from a Third world country myself...i dont have high expectations anyways :) anywhere...things are more shitty back home...I would be happy in PH as long as there are filipinas and i have the money...these are the only two things that matters to me...:)
Some time ago a forum member suggested reading "Culture Shock Phlippines" by Alfredo and Grace Roces. I bought it on Amazon and have been reading it during this trip. It makes a lot of Filipino politics much clearer. The entire utang na loob or "personal favors" concept seems to be the basis for much of what happens here; be it how one votes, or getting a monthly stipend out of the foreign son in law.
[QUOTE=David_33]Some time ago a forum member suggested reading "Culture Shock Phlippines" by Alfredo and Grace Roces. I bought it on Amazon and have been reading it during this trip. It makes a lot of Filipino politics much clearer. The entire utang na loob or "personal favors" concept seems to be the basis for much of what happens here; be it how one votes, or getting a monthly stipend out of the foreign son in law.[/QUOTE]Yep, D_33, this is bedrock of the political/economic structure.
Down at the Barangay level, expect the chief to be the only one with the big house and the flashy SUV. He is the one who dispenses govt.
Largesse as he sees fit. In certain 'life or death' situations he's the one desperate families will turn to. Impoverished families will often have funeral expenses covered by the barangay chief. In return, absolute loyalty is expected.
So all down the line, from the apex to the base of the political structure, govt. Funds are dispensed as if they are the personal bankroll of each official. There seems to be little concept of government money being OUR money.
It's a lot like the fuedal system of the Middle Ages. Vassals all.
[QUOTE=Questor55]...................
Down at the Barangay level, expect the chief to be the only one with the big house and the flashy SUV. He is the one who dispenses govt. largesse as he sees fit. In certain 'life or death' situations he's the one desperate families will turn to. Impoverished families will often have funeral expenses covered by the barangay chief. In return, absolute loyalty is expected.
..................................[/QUOTE]
I think you need to spend a little time living in a barangay like I have before you say things like this that are totally misleading Q 55.
In all of the 3 barangays in which I have spent extended periods it is NOT the barangay captain with any money but more likely the local congressman/woman who has the "pork barrel" handout from the government. These are the people who can assist with the expenses that you mention
I have not yet ever seen a barangay captain with very much money at all.
[QUOTE=Starchild2012]Well, being from a Third world country myself...i dont have high expectations anyways :) anywhere...things are more shitty back home...I would be happy in PH as long as there are filipinas and i have the money...these are the only two things that matters to me...:)[/QUOTE]There are third world countries, and there are other third world countries.
Each country it's their own quirky stuff - like - could you compare african justice with arabian justice?
Yes, as long as there are filipinas, we should forget the rest.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]There are third world countries, and there are other third world countries.
Each country it's their own quirky stuff - like - could you compare african justice with arabian justice?
Yes, as long as there are filipinas, we should forget the rest.[/QUOTE]
For those of us who live here, it's not so easy to forget the rest, as the rest affects several facets of our day-to-day lives.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]For those of us who live here, it's not so easy to forget the rest, as the rest affects several facets of our day-to-day lives.[/QUOTE]Oops. I too got some connections up there, but my comments were in jest.
In my own opinion, of all South Asian countries, Philippines is a world apart. To be honest, like people getting killed and the killers getting pardoned, mutineers who by right should be court martialled excused, and known plunderers (Marcos Family and Estrada) enjoying the confidence of the 'forgiving' people. And when a Chinese gets killed, the response being "China has a bad human rights history, so, it is not a bad thing another Chinese killed, and when a Filipino gets death sentance for a murder proven beyond guilty or for other offence like drug smuggling. The whole nation demands mercy and clemency. And. Sympathy. And attack visitors from those countries, and then with too much of romantic books cook up some stories like the person was innocent, and was setup by the law enforcement authority. (I always wondered what a squeeky clean country like Singapore would gain by setting up arriving passengers with Drugs. Caught in their possession and how the Singapore Customs would be able to do such stunts.) and. When a prostitute was murdered in Singapore on a deal gone bad, first thing that comes out is "well, regardless, Singaporean have shown they are bunch of nasty people" and when the culprit is found to be another Filipino, the answer is "well, who knows what happened, poor guy. He maybe a murderer but he doesn't deserve the death sentance. "
Well, I could go on, but I know. It will never end.
Hence my writing. There was a bit of humour intended there. But. Well, I understand your pain. To a great extent.
Cheers
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]For those of us who live here, it's not so easy to forget the rest, as the rest affects several facets of our day-to-day lives.[/QUOTE]Rather I was trying to emulate PNoy - smile in the face of severe pain (as he did when he was visiting the scene of the HK hostage Massacre.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]I think you need to spend a little time living in a barangay like I have before you say things like this that are totally misleading Q 55.
In all of the 3 barangays in which I have spent extended periods it is NOT the barangay captain with any money but more likely the local congressman/woman who has the "pork barrel" handout from the government. These are the people who can assist with the expenses that you mention
I have not yet ever seen a barangay captain with very much money at all.[/QUOTE]Overall I agree.
A barangay captain is the bottom of the food chain for public monies, and doubt they get to dip much.
At the municipal level, mayors hold the purse-strings.
My dentist in Dumagete is captain of the downtown barangay. He's well off by his own means.
One of the trike drivers I know is a captain. He works every shift.
As an overview, more than half of the federal budget is transfered to the provinces.
Much like canada's 'transfer payments' under confederation.
Historically under the spanish regime, the governors would traval to manila once a year to meet the 'black ship' carrying that year's spec in bullion.
They'd meet, set policy, and take their alotment of gold back to the province to mantain goverment for the comming year.
The americans saw the utility in the practice and its continued til today.
30+ provinces, 70 odd languages, and countless islands makes for decentralised budgetary autonomy.
That's a mouthful.
GL!
I've played some high stakes poker (well high stakes poker for the phils! I'm no Ivey or Negranu of course). And I've won 80, 000 pesos last night (in a single pot).
I don't think I'll be able to spent it all, as I book hotels online in order to get cheaper rates.
My problem is that apparently you're only allowed to leave the phils with 10; 000 pesos unless you got an authorization. Even though I never had my pockets searched, I clearly want to avoid problems with phils customs.
Can I change back this amount back to euro somewhere?
Perhaps I should open a bank account, but I remember some banks create problems for people without an addy in the phils and some other (hsbsc) as far I as I remember would request client to deposit 100K. Guess I should go play again LOL.
[QUOTE=Escort Fan]I've played some high stakes poker (well high stakes poker for the phils! I'm no Ivey or Negranu of course). And I've won 80, 000 pesos last night (in a single pot).
I don't think I'll be able to spent it all, as I book hotels online in order to get cheaper rates.
My problem is that apparently you're only allowed to leave the phils with 10; 000 pesos unless you got an authorization. Even though I never had my pockets searched, I clearly want to avoid problems with phils customs.
Can I change back this amount back to euro somewhere?
Perhaps I should open a bank account, but I remember some banks create problems for people without an addy in the phils and some other (hsbsc) as far I as I remember would request client to deposit 100K. Guess I should go play again LOL.[/QUOTE]
EF
You could leave in an envelope with my name on it and trust me I will give it my favourite charity :D
Or you could go to one of the local banks and ask
HSBC needs a 5,000 pesos deposit for certain accounts others less so give it a go. Issue is that it can take time to establish the account...hence my envelope idea....
Or give some to Red Kilt's charity to help underpriviledged kids in their education (see earlier FRs), good karma .....
No need to open a bank account, you wouldn't do that if you were changing Euros or Dollars into Pesos and the reverse is just the same. I have changed some of my excess Pesos back into my own currency before, just use one of the larger banks that has a foreign exchange counter. I don't know if there are any limits to the amount you can change, I have changed 10,000 before without any problem. All you need to have with you is your passport. The only problem you may encounter is that they do not have enough Euros in stock and you may have to wait a day or two for the money to be ordered
M
[QUOTE=Escort Fan]I've played some high stakes poker (well high stakes poker for the phils! I'm no Ivey or Negranu of course). And I've won 80, 000 pesos last night (in a single pot).
I don't think I'll be able to spent it all, as I book hotels online in order to get cheaper rates.
My problem is that apparently you're only allowed to leave the phils with 10; 000 pesos unless you got an authorization. Even though I never had my pockets searched, I clearly want to avoid problems with phils customs.
Can I change back this amount back to euro somewhere?
Perhaps I should open a bank account, but I remember some banks create problems for people without an addy in the phils and some other (hsbsc) as far I as I remember would request client to deposit 100K. Guess I should go play again LOL.[/QUOTE]Escort,
If you are planning to visit Manila again just open a account with HSBC, it is better to have peso than change it back to USD anyway the way the US dollar is dropping, all just spend it on p4p so you don't need to worry about it.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Mortman]No need to open a bank account, you wouldn't do that if you were changing Euros or Dollars into Pesos and the reverse is just the same. I have changed some of my excess Pesos back into my own currency before, just use one of the larger banks that has a foreign exchange counter.
M[/QUOTE]Cool didn't knew pesos could be exchanged both ways. I change at those little malate vendors, they have the best rates, and I was always under the impression they exchanged one way €, £, Y, $ PHP and not vice versa.
Won another 30K last night. I'm not too sure about going to malate with 100K pesos in an fat enveloppe asking if the guy has 1, 600 EUROS in stock behind his crappy counter.:)
Anyway thanks for tip I'll try one of the larger bank in Makati.
Go buy some EU travellers cheques or USA.
[QUOTE=Escort Fan]Cool didn't knew pesos could be exchanged both ways. I change at those little malate vendors, they have the best rates, and I was always under the impression they exchanged one way €, £, Y, $ PHP and not vice versa.
[/QUOTE]
When I want foreign currency, I always head to the places in Malate and Ermita. You get a far better rate and no questions asked. For larger amounts you might have to try two or more or accept a mix of dollars, euros and sterling but the bigger places usually hold larger amounts on the premises.
Why not just blow a large wodge on a few top escorts. At 5T each you can afford about 20:D. That would be one hell of a party with you at the centre.
[QUOTE=Escort Fan]Cool didn't knew pesos could be exchanged both ways. I change at those little malate vendors, they have the best rates, and I was always under the impression they exchanged one way €, £, Y, $ PHP and not vice versa.[/QUOTE]What did you think the money changer does with the US$/Euro or JPY he gets from the tourists? Put them in a washing machine and convert to Peso?
Escort Fan,
A year back I was in a similar spot. I had about 300K pesos that I needed to convert to dollars and I found that unfortunately almost every money changer could only exchange small amounts or would not exchange pesos to dollars at all.
Yes, you can open a bank account somewhat easily (just need to bring your ID and a 2"x2" photo) but the rate that you get for selling dollars is not exactly reasonable. Just walk into any BDO and you'll see what I mean.
I know you mentioned you're looking for Euros but if you need USD at all, I could offer to give you dollars for your pesos.
[QUOTE=Escort Fan]Is it possible to buy smartbuddy (or globe) pre paid Micro SIM card for the Iphone 4?
I jailbreaked it and ran snow whatever thinggie, so it should accept the philippine SIM.
I guess I should go to the smart office in Robinson.
But what are the prices, and how can I buy 3G credit so I can get my emails and stuff without having to worry about trafic and RIP OFF roaming at 10 EUROS per MB.
Thanks[/QUOTE]You can get a SMART micro SIM at any SMART Wireless Center. It's P40 for a prepaid micro SIM.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]You can get the micro sim for the iPhone4 and the iPad only from Globe here, and it costs Php 1,000 per month for unlimited net access and downloads. That is, if you don't want to cut down an existing sim. When I was in Singapore about a month ago, I bought a small cutting instrument designed to cut down regular-size sim cards to the micro size. It works fine as well. There are also small kiosk-like shops that offer the "trimming to micro size" service and will do it for you for a couple of dollars. I don't think you can get the sim from Globe without a plan.
GE[/QUOTE]Greenhills Theater Mall 2FL at DJGT shop will cut your SIM for free and a lot of other stalls at Greenhills and Marketmarket will cut it for P50, or free if you buy a micro SIM adapter.
[QUOTE=Escort Fan]
Won another 30K last night. I'm not too sure about going to malate with 100K pesos in an fat enveloppe asking if the guy has 1, 600 EUROS in stock behind his crappy counter.:)
[/QUOTE]
Are you staying in the casino EF?
Just be very very careful about who sees you winning 80,000 php at the casino. There are guys around who watch for that sort of thing and follow you home.
Like wise, when you leave the money changers with your Euros, be sure that the changer hasn't called his mate on a bike waiting around the corner who will think of a way to get his money back.
If you think I am being silly or alarmist - just check the papers and see how many people who withdraw large amounts of cash from banks rather mysteriously get robbed on their way home. Why are they specifically targeted only when they have cash in hand?
The only way the robbers could know is that someone in the bank (security guard or teller's clerk or even the teller) with the inside information has passed it on.
Believe me - scams like these are an art form in the Phils.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]The only way the robbers could know is that someone in the bank (security guard or teller's clerk or even the teller) with the inside information has passed it on..[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Escort Fan]Cool didn't knew pesos could be exchanged both ways. I change at those little malate vendors, they have the best rates, and I was always under the impression they exchanged one way €, £, Y, $ PHP and not vice versa.
Won another 30K last night. I'm not too sure about going to malate with 100K pesos in an fat enveloppe asking if the guy has 1, 600 EUROS in stock behind his crappy counter.:)
Anyway thanks for tip I'll try one of the larger bank in Makati.[/QUOTE]
100,000 Pesos equals to little more than $2000 U.S. International standard is you can carry up to $10,000. Not sure aout Phi law in case they search you.
You cannot carry it on your person ecause unlike other airports in Phi they pat you down at security especially in Manila. I do not know currency shows up when they scan your bags. I do not believe it does.
Some of the money you can send it out of Phi via western union. The exchange rate maybe off not to mention the charges.
If you can convert into dollars in Phi you can take the money with with no questions asked. I think it is etter to go to AC and talk to expats including bar managers. They maybe able to help you.
[QUOTE=Sammon]100,000 Pesos equals to little more than $2000 U.S. International standard is you can carry up to $10,000. Not sure aout Phi law in case they search you.
You cannot carry it on your person ecause unlike other airports in Phi they pat you down at security especially in Manila. I do not know currency shows up when they scan your bags. I do not believe it does.[/QUOTE]You know in €uros we have 500 EUROS notes (that's extactly 700 USD).
Once the 100K pesos is turned into 3 bills of 500 euros they can pat but 3 bills is thin.
[QUOTE=Escort Fan]
Won another 30K last night. I'm not too sure about going to malate with 100K pesos in an fat enveloppe asking if the guy has 1, 600 EUROS in stock behind his crappy counter.:)
Anyway thanks for tip I'll try one of the larger bank in Makati.[/QUOTE]
I think Sammon's idea to Western Union it to yourself for collection when you get back is probably the easiest - even if it were a little more expensive, the convenience and safety of not having it on you is worth it.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]If you think I am being silly or alarmist. Just check the papers and see how many people who withdraw large amounts of cash from banks rather mysteriously get robbed on their way home. Why are they specifically targeted only when they have cash in hand?
The only way the robbers could know is that someone in the bank (security guard or teller's clerk or even the teller) with the inside information has passed it on.[/QUOTE]And I bumped into a girl, who had saved about 3, 000 S$, and remitted the money to Phil, and when she was there, she went to the bank to withdraw it and pay the contractor to renovate her house (they never heard of cheques?) and as she walked out, she was stabbed and money was stolen. I thought it was a con story. Turned out it was a real story. As I was in Phil about a week after hearing the news, and she was still recovering from the stab wounds.
Anyway, atleast in Makati. Most of the banks have strict "no cell phones", "and no helmets" and "no scarfs" etc. And I always wondered why.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech] (they never heard of cheques?) [/QUOTE]Cheques are widely forged here or dont clear for insufficient funds and nobody trusts or accepts them. Dont ask why they dont use cashier cheques I got no idea :) 3rd world country cash is king what else can be said about this manure hole.
I have had 3 (yes THREE) girls on DIA send me messages this evening telling me "The typhoon in Cagayan has destroyed our house - can you please help me?"
None of them lived in Northern Luzon. One actually lived in Cebu; the others in Cavite near Manila.
When I called each of them on it and asked them where they were from. I told them I know the area and I thought most of the damage was caused in northern Isabela and that I thought they were telling lies.
Each one disengaged from the conversation - no doubt to try to find some other sucker.
The Cebu girl actually sent back a one-word message saying "sorry". ROFLMAO
Be careful mates. They will try anything.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]The Cebu girl actually sent back a one-word message saying "sorry". ROFLMAO[/QUOTE]That's odd - when I confronted a girl in Davao for Ondoy related 'help' she turned violent accusing us foreigners of exploiting and this and that :confused: and I still dunno why she switched her story .. :D :D Maybe you got off easy
I know enough girls who have started hammering my inbox with 'assistance' and didn't bother to filter them out as the money is one-way-traffic even if asked as a loan :D Wise up.
I don't know how many of the guys who read this forum have also traveled widely in Africa, where day-to-day scams are the normal order of business. I spent about 5 years off and on living and/working in about 14 African countries, and when I first came here to work and live I was struck by the perception that the Philippines would fit more easily into an African context than an Asian one. The subsequent 7 years have done nothing to dispel this opinion. The pervasive, endless greed and corruption, the varied scams, both big and small (practiced by big shots and common folk), the grinding poverty and the totally inability to anticipate consequences are all reminiscent of the African continent. I wonder of there's an anthropological connection that remains as yet unidentified.
GE
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]That's odd - when I confronted a girl in Davao for Ondoy related 'help' she turned violent accusing us foreigners of exploiting and this and that :confused: and I still dunno why she switched her story .. :D :D Maybe you got off easy
I know enough girls who have started hammering my inbox with 'assistance' and didn't bother to filter them out as the money is one-way-traffic even if asked as a loan :D Wise up.[/QUOTE]
Not sure what is your point here ET? Are you telling me to wise up?
I was very aware it was a scam as I have been chatting to these girls for a long time. I know they have no connection with Cagayan Valley or Isabela (and I do) and when they realised that I was not a sucker and knew more about the Phils geography and the typhoon than they did they slunk away.
I think you were unlucky to get hit by a scorned tampo chick.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]Not sure what is your point here ET? Are you telling me to wise up?
I was very aware it was a scam as I have been chatting to these girls for a long time. I know they have no connection with Cagayan Valley or Isabela (and I do) and when they realised that I was not a sucker and knew more about the Phils geography and the typhoon than they did they slunk away.
I think you were unlucky to get hit by a scorned tampo chick.[/QUOTE]Oops. My 'wise' up was to the other love-lorn knights in Shining armours. Not pointed at you. Relax mate. I am aware that you are smart and experienced enough.
For me. It wasn't a first time, but it was a new one on the book.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]I have had 3 (yes THREE) girls on DIA send me messages this evening telling me "The typhoon in Cagayan has destroyed our house. Can you please help me? "
None of them lived in Northern Luzon. One actually lived in Cebu; the others in Cavite near Manila.
When I called each of them on it and asked them where they were from. I told them I know the area and I thought most of the damage was caused in northern Isabela and that I thought they were telling lies.
Each one disengaged from the conversation. No doubt to try to find some other sucker.
The Cebu girl actually sent back a one-word message saying "sorry". ROFLMAO
Be careful mates. They will try anything.[/QUOTE]Am jealous. No one has tried any such scams with me.!
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I don't know how many of the guys who read this forum have also traveled widely in Africa, where day-to-day scams are the normal order of business. I spent about 5 years off and on living and/working in about 14 African countries, and when I first came here to work and live I was struck by the perception that the Philippines would fit more easily into an African context than an Asian one. The subsequent 7 years have done nothing to dispel this opinion. The pervasive, endless greed and corruption, the varied scams, both big and small (practiced by big shots and common folk), the grinding poverty and the totally inability to anticipate consequences are all reminiscent of the African continent. I wonder of there's an anthropological connection that remains as yet unidentified.
GE[/QUOTE]South America has a lot in common with the Philippines. When I first came to PH. I got a striking impression that I am somewhere in Peru and not in Asia at all. The spanish/catholic colonial heritage, the plantation slavery system in the rural areas, the culture of corruption, the banana republic economics, total disregard for environment and fellow man, are all very typical of spanish colonies of south america.
Brazil and Argentina are starting to get their act together, and leaving the colonial banana republic past behind. Philippines hasnt changed one bit.
As for anthropological past, we all came from Mother Africa originally.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I don't know how many of the guys who read this forum have also traveled widely in Africa, where day-to-day scams are the normal order of business. I spent about 5 years off and on living and/working in about 14 African countries, and when I first came here to work and live I was struck by the perception that the Philippines would fit more easily into an African context than an Asian one. The subsequent 7 years have done nothing to dispel this opinion. The pervasive, endless greed and corruption, the varied scams, both big and small (practiced by big shots and common folk), the grinding poverty and the totally inability to anticipate consequences are all reminiscent of the African continent. I wonder of there's an anthropological connection that remains as yet unidentified.
GE[/QUOTE]Good stuff GE. Your parallels are indeed accurate. However, the historical and social similarities to Central America are even closer.
Do we have any members who have intimate knowledge of both PI and Central America who would care to comment ?
[QUOTE=Questor55]Good stuff GE. Your parallels are indeed accurate. However, the historical and social similarities to Central America are even closer.
Do we have any members who have intimate knowledge of both PI and Central America who would care to comment ?[/QUOTE]
Having spent quite a bit of time in Central and South America as well as Africa and the Philippines, I would agree that though there are similarities with Africa the similarities with Central and South America are even stronger.
I was previously married to a Venezuelan and spent much time there. When I landed in Manila for the first time there was no culture shock at all and I felt like I was back in Venezuela. The Philippine customs and way of life is very similar to South America. The Philippines seems to be much more populated and poverished. The Filipinas are also much more friendly and open to forigners than Venezuelans.
[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist]South America has a lot in common with the Philippines. When I first came to PH. I got a striking impression that I am somewhere in Peru and not in Asia at all. The spanish/catholic colonial heritage, the plantation slavery system in the rural areas, the culture of corruption, the banana republic economics, total disregard for environment and fellow man, are all very typical of spanish colonies of south america. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Am jealous. No one has tried any such scams with me.![/QUOTE]Maybe because you paid them to leave, when the deed was done? Unlike some of us who believe in 'long term benefactor' status.
Hang on. Maybe it is just a matter of time when your jealousy will be gone.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]Maybe because you paid them to leave, when the deed was done? Unlike some of us who believe in 'long term benefactor' status.
Hang on. Maybe it is just a matter of time when your jealousy will be gone.[/QUOTE]Things have been restored in talking to Melit_Sexy. See her profile, nice boobs.
I said hi , and maybe we should meet on my next trip.
She said " Sure, but she wanted cash if we had fun ".
Life is back to normal.
Guys,
I'm trying to stop barebacking, so I'd like some advice on condoms available in this country. I have tried the Trust brand condoms, and it felt like my dick was wrapped in an old, burnt-out tire. Too small and no feeling at all. So, then I tried the Premier "thin" condoms and those sucked too. Just yesterday I used Durex "Featherlite" with one of my fucklets and while better than the other two brands, it's still lacking in the sensation department for me. Today I'm headed to Watsons to buy the Durex "Featherlite-Ultras". Any recommendations on other brands? I used Trojan ultra thins when I lived in the U.S. and those were decent, but I haven't seen Trojans here.
BTW, I'm in Angeles City now, but I'm actually headed to Manila late next week, so I can pick some up there as well.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]Maybe because you paid them to leave, when the deed was done? Unlike some of us who believe in 'long term benefactor' status.
Hang on. Maybe it is just a matter of time when your jealousy will be gone.[/QUOTE]
It's worse than that ET and FF.
These girls who asked me for help because the typhoon had destroyed their homes were girls I had NEVER even met!!
I had chatted with them on infrequent occasions.
The fact that they tried it on me tells me that it must have been successful in the past on some other poor easily-suckered chump.
I am a bit too experienced in pinoy cunning stunts (to borrow from a fello monger) to fall for that one.
[QUOTE=Ezinho]Guys,
I'm trying to stop barebacking, so I'd like some advice on condoms available in this country. I have tried the Trust brand condoms, and it felt like my dick was wrapped in an old, burnt-out tire. Too small and no feeling at all. So, then I tried the Premier "thin" condoms and those sucked too. Just yesterday I used Durex "Featherlite" with one of my fucklets and while better than the other two brands, it's still lacking in the sensation department for me. Today I'm headed to Watsons to buy the Durex "Featherlite-Ultras". Any recommendations on other brands? I used Trojan ultra thins when I lived in the U.S. and those were decent, but I haven't seen Trojans here.
BTW, I'm in Angeles City now, but I'm actually headed to Manila late next week, so I can pick some up there as well.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I have varying reports of whether they're available in Philippines or not (someone said you can find them in some Watsons) but what I bring with me are Sagami Original L size, polyurethane, 0.02mm (compared to 0.055mm for the Durex you are talking about), supposed to be 3x the strength of typical latex ones.
I have posted this in another forum, however since this is my home forum, I would be very interested in the comments I receive. I was supposed to plan a trip originally in October but that has been delayed, and as of since, I have read more and learnt more, so I have a new bunch of questions. Cheers in Advance.
Hey guys, I'm a 21 Yr Old Newbie and am asking for help regarding the mongering in the Philippines. It's not my first time mongering around in South East Asia, and I have done my fair share when overseas in Hong Kong, China and Macau. A bit of background about myself, I am not handsome, nor do I think I'm ugly, and of average build. So just your average dude and nothing special. I am of a 1/2 Korean, 1/2 Chinese Background, however I have lived 20 of my 21 years in Sydney, Australia, so I am fluent in Cantonese, English and bits of pieces in Mandarin and Korean.
I have been reading the forums for the last 3 months of various websites, my home website (ISG), and other competitor websites, and feel I have a general understanding of the situations of the Philippines and would like to thank the members here for their contributions.
Firstly I am planning a 3 week trip in around January or February of next year, and would like some help. My original itinerary was perhaps 1 week in Angeles City, 1 week in Cebu, and bits and pieces in between at Boracay or Manila.
However on reading the boards, I have a couple of questions. I have coloured it out so its easier on the eyes for different questions.
Q1 I have read some feedback from other mongers and suggest that at my age, that Angeles City might not be my ideal choice of mongering and that I could try to do more time in Cebu or so on. Is that the case?
Q2. Is picking up girls in Cebu realistic in Malls ( I have heard about places in Ayala Mall or SM Mall there) Will my race be a problem? Will my age be beneficial or will it hurt me? ( I actually am very interested in picking up girls in Malls, as it just seems different to picking up bar girls) If it was realistic, then I would probably want to spend more time in Cebu. However, I have also thought since this is my cherry trip to leave things simple. So I'm not sure...
Q3. Being an Asian-Australian, will Bar Girls attempt to extort me for Korean/Japanese Prices in AC? Will they expect crazy tips or something? I mean at the end of the day, will they consider that I'm Australian or Korean/Chinese?
Q4. Would anyone be of advice to say how I should plan my trip in terms of where to go. Should I spend more time in Cebu, or Angeles, and which one to go to first? ( I was originally thinking of going to Angeles, first, sussing out the action for a week, and then try Cebu, and then if Cebu wasn't good then go back to Angeles) However on revision, I have read the forums and they have suggested perhaps maybe to go to Cebu first and try my luck first, and if that doesn't work out then go to Angeles City. Anyone else have an opinion? Because I will be arriving in Manila no matter what from Sydney, so once I arrive, I guess I have a dilemma. Either taxi straight over to AC and see how that goes first. Or I could get a connecting flight straight over to Cebu, or I could even have a night in Manila first and then try the other options. I suppose this is going to be the question I focus on a lot too because it really has me stumped. I plan to prebook my hotel for the first destination in advance, for around 5-7 days and then re-assess the options after that. But I really have no idea what to do, because I even thought since this is my cherry trip, Maybe I should keep things simple and just stick to 2 Weeks in Ac and then 5 Nights off to Boracay with the girl who im happy with most. Hope the guys here can help me on this one.
Q5. I have thought of going to Manila for perhaps 2 nights (On the night in arrival, and the night prior to departure and try my hand at Havana Cafe, or La Cafe) and perhaps maybe Airforce 1. Does anyone else advise that I should perhaps spend some time in Manila?
Q6. I don't really have a budget, I am planning to splurge on myself as I have saved up some money, and plan to spend $10000 AUD/USD in 3 weeks inclusive of hotels and play money and other incidentals. However I don't want to throw my money around, and if I can come home with a spare $1000-$3000 I don't mind either :) So with that said, I am staying planning to book the Lewis Grand Hotel in AC, the Marriot or Golden Prince in Cebu, and if I go to Manila, then maybe the Pearl Lane Hotel. Is that all ok?
Q7. With regards to AC, will my age be a problem at all there either? I realise I might be one of the young ones, but will that open me to more runners or a more GFE? Will it make girls more worried about me in the bars, or will they open up more to me?
Q8. I know this might be a weird question, but I am not sure on whether to act poorer than usual in Angeles City or just be myself. The reason I say this is because I am afraid If I just be myself, then the girls might think because I wear some nice clothes, and booked myself into a good hotel, they might think im really rich and try to take me for everything I have. So with that said, I seriously considered bringing my spare mobile phone, and act more like an expat in spending terms and refuse DLDs and so on. ( I have read the forums and won't be wearing any watches, no bling just a simple chain, and no accessories). I just think that because its my cherry trip and I have this perceived idea from the girls that since I'm staying at the Lewis Grand, I'm young, I am financially ok, they will take advantage of that against me. Anyone have any ideas?
Q9. Will it be hard to find a wingman in January/February from the forum members here who would be interested in helping me out around AC?
Q10. Am I just thinking too much? I personally think I could be, and that no matter how many times I replay what *could* happen in the Philippines regardless of whether I'm in Cebu or Angeles or Manila, it could play out different.
I have spent the last 3-4 months absorbing as much possible knowledge as I can, because this is the first time I will be in a country where I do not speak the local language for one, and the fact that I always like to monger alone. So therefore, I might be abit paranoid than the rest, but I suppose its better to be safe than sorry.
I thank anyone who spent the time to listen to me, and hope to hear from you guys soon. Cheers. Backslash.
Mongering should not be a way of life for a 21 year old guy. You need to get around socially and meet and date girls who will give you free sex. Make few girlfriends and so called booty call friends. It should not be a problem at your age.
I would suggest you enroll in dateinasia.com website and check. There are many scammers there but also many young decent girls your age. Do not send any money. Chat with them and line up to meet them and see. This site has mostly Philippino girls. If you play your cards right you might even score some virgins. Meet these girls and if the chemistry is there take them on a holiday to boracay etc. Ofcourse you need to give them some money, buy gifts etc.
Everybody needs to experience AC. It is a fun town. Age has no discrimination in this town. You will see a 70 year old man who can hardly walk with a very young girl as well as lots of Korean young guys partying with all sorts of girls young and old. I have not seen much western young men go there. There is no percieved notion of the girls extorting money from you because you look Korean. In AC there are all kinds , some splurge money on the girls and others are carefull irrespective of ethnicity.
Cebu is a better place for you to start. Once again chat with them first so that you will meet some girls in Cebu. Do not spend too much time strolling the bars looking for seasoned bargirls. You should be more oriented towards normal girls.
Spending $10,000 U.S is way too much for a three week holiday. Phi is a cheap destination. Do not let the girls scam you into buying them expensive things.
As a older man I have had no prolems meetind 18-23 year old girls who I met online. So you definitely should not have any problems. It is true that bargirls maybe better in sex but I always like GFE sex anytime with normal girls.
Finally my advice is you should date and enjoy normal girls and develop your social skills at your age rather than take the easy way out by taking bargirls or mall freelancers.
[QUOTE=Sammon]Mongering should not be a way of life for a 21 year old guy. You need to get around socially and meet and date girls who will give you free sex. Make few girlfriends and so called booty call friends. It should not be a problem at your age.
I would suggest you enroll in dateinasia.com website and check. There are many scammers there but also many young decent girls your age. Do not send any money. Chat with them and line up to meet them and see. This site has mostly Philippino girls. If you play your cards right you might even score some virgins. Meet these girls and if the chemistry is there take them on a holiday to boracay etc. Ofcourse you need to give them some money, buy gifts etc.
Everybody needs to experience AC. It is a fun town. Age has no discrimination in this town. You will see a 70 year old man who can hardly walk with a very young girl as well as lots of Korean young guys partying with all sorts of girls young and old. I have not seen much western young men go there. There is no percieved notion of the girls extorting money from you because you look Korean. In AC there are all kinds , some splurge money on the girls and others are carefull irrespective of ethnicity.
Cebu is a better place for you to start. Once again chat with them first so that you will meet some girls in Cebu. Do not spend too much time strolling the bars looking for seasoned bargirls. You should be more oriented towards normal girls.
Spending $10,000 U.S is way too much for a three week holiday. Phi is a cheap destination. Do not let the girls scam you into buying them expensive things.
As a older man I have had no prolems meetind 18-23 year old girls who I met online. So you definitely should not have any problems. It is true that bargirls maybe better in sex but I always like GFE sex anytime with normal girls.
Finally my advice is you should date and enjoy normal girls and develop your social skills at your age rather than take the easy way out by taking bargirls or mall freelancers.[/QUOTE]
Sammon, thank you for your advice. I understand you say I need to blend in socially, however, as for dating normal girls and the like, thats what I do 350 days of the year in Sydney. I guess I just want 2-3 weeks where I can have sex, have fun, and I don't care whether its P4P or not. Cheers for your response.
[QUOTE=Backslash]I have posted this in another forum, however since this is my home forum, I would be very interested in the comments I receive. I was supposed to plan a trip originally in October but that has been delayed, and as of since, I have read more and learnt more, so I have a new bunch of questions. Cheers in Advance.
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In case you haven't heard PH or better Cebu is like a second home to Koreans of all ages and social background :). Dude, Koreans are treated with high respect and like kings in bars in PH. ( bar girls may say bad stuff once they turn over..but they do it for every nationality ...what matters is how you get treated while you with them)
Forget everything, Cebu is the best place for you period. There are 1000's of korean girls from Korea whom you can hook it up in discos if you speak korean and english combined. Cebu is the preferred destination for learning english for korean students.
I have seen korean guy's in their 20's having a blast with regular korean girls in discos and picking them up.
Why do you think more than a million koreans show up in Cebu each year, Koreans make up the highest number of tourist in Cebu. there must be something that makes korean celebrities to korean families to choose cebu than any other destinations.
You are just 21 dude, forget about money, you can make it tons of it when you cross 30's...now is the time to enjoy not count the bills..so what if you miss 100 dollars here and there...what matters is you enjoy your life to the fullest at your age...man...how i wish i found out Cebu at 21 :)
You are one lucky dude to find out about Cebu ...this is the right time...you have to just choose the right place....spend your whole three weeks in Cebu and surrounding beaches....you will have truck loads of korean as well as regular filipina girls...Hit the discos like sunflower and Julienas and see how you get treated there...man you have money, age, holidays and now Cebu...in your hands..dont let it pass over....few people on earth have all these combined.
Good Luck
Hope this helps try crown skinless normall found these work fine.
[QUOTE=Ezinho]Guys,
I'm trying to stop barebacking, so I'd like some advice on condoms available in this country. I have tried the Trust brand condoms, and it felt like my dick was wrapped in an old, burnt-out tire. Too small and no feeling at all. So, then I tried the Premier "thin" condoms and those sucked too. Just yesterday I used Durex "Featherlite" with one of my fucklets and while better than the other two brands, it's still lacking in the sensation department for me. Today I'm headed to Watsons to buy the Durex "Featherlite-Ultras". Any recommendations on other brands? I used Trojan ultra thins when I lived in the U.S. and those were decent, but I haven't seen Trojans here.
BTW, I'm in Angeles City now, but I'm actually headed to Manila late next week, so I can pick some up there as well.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Starchild2012]Dude, Koreans are treated with high respect and like kings in bars in PH.
Forget everything, Cebu is the best place for you period. There are 1000's of korean girls from Korea whom you can hook it up in discos if you speak korean and english combined. Cebu is the preferred destination for learning english for korean students.
Good Luck[/QUOTE]Actually I had a discussion at length about the korean customers with a few girls at 3 different bars in Cebu (Red Lips, Pussycats and Sisters) and all seemed to have the same opinion: while the koreans come into the bars with an attitude and get the girl-lineups, etc., the majority of the ones in Cebu are students and only have whatever stipend that mommy and daddy are providing and in the end don't end up spending as big in the bars as they're reputed to. They all said that a japanese customer coming into a Cebu bar is much more likely to have the money to spread around.
Small sample size I know, but answers were consistent.
[QUOTE=Mongrinastrlnd]I have varying reports of whether they're available in Philippines or not (someone said you can find them in some Watsons) but what I bring with me are Sagami Original L size, polyurethane, 0.02mm (compared to 0.055mm for the Durex you are talking about), supposed to be 3x the strength of typical latex ones.[/QUOTE]
Be cautious with polyurethane. First time I used one (different brand) with a GF, in the States, resulted in an unpleasant day at a local abortion clinic. During intercourse I was amazed at the natural sensation. But on withdrawal I found the top torn and the condom rolled halfway up my member.
[QUOTE=Cbea20]Be cautious with polyurethane. First time I used one (different brand) with a GF, in the States, resulted in an unpleasant day at a local abortion clinic. During intercourse I was amazed at the natural sensation. But on withdrawal I found the top torn and the condom rolled halfway up my member.[/QUOTE]I've never had a failure with the Sagamis, unlike latex. They're japanese made and stronger than the trojan polys. Only downside is that the "L" size works out to fit normally-endowed westerners so not an option for the well-endowed.
[QUOTE=Ezinho]Guys,
I'm trying to stop barebacking, so I'd like some advice on condoms available in this country. I have tried the Trust brand condoms, and it felt like my dick was wrapped in an old, burnt-out tire. Too small and no feeling at all. So, then I tried the Premier "thin" condoms and those sucked too. Just yesterday I used Durex "Featherlite" with one of my fucklets and while better than the other two brands, it's still lacking in the sensation department for me. Today I'm headed to Watsons to buy the Durex "Featherlite-Ultras". Any recommendations on other brands? I used Trojan ultra thins when I lived in the U.S. and those were decent, but I haven't seen Trojans here.
BTW, I'm in Angeles City now, but I'm actually headed to Manila late next week, so I can pick some up there as well.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Go online and try the Okomoto big boys (20mm). Really, those plus some Astro glide and you will feel like you are wearing nothing. I had to check several times during my last round to make sure the condom was still in place.
Just reread your post and don't know if those are available in the Phils or not, but I buy my online. Sorry:(
C.
[QUOTE=Carmex]
Go online and try the Okomoto big boys (20mm). Really, those plus some Astro glide and you will feel like you are wearing nothing. I had to check several times during my last round to make sure the condom was still in place.
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Excuse my lack of knowledge, but I have been married the past 20+ years and never used a condom before (been very lucky not to catch anything deadly). Astro Glide (great stuff) on your dick first and then the condom so you slide inside the condom?
Thanks,
Slim
Slim
Can you buy Okamato's in the Philippines?
I keep messing up the timing of the boner tablet any advice thrown instructions away,
[QUOTE=Col Law]I keep messing up the timing of the boner tablet any advice thrown instructions away,[/QUOTE]
Depends which tablet...and your weight and what you eat and when you eat.....and try and avoid too much alcohol.....
Here are few links....but basically try not eat eat too much fatty food before you want a boner...and usually an hour before the lady arrives. For some guys I know they take 1 an hour before and another 15 mins before as this helps a longer lasting effect :p What you depends on you and what you feel more comfortable with
Viagra
[url]http://www.viagra.com/taking-viagra/how-to-take-viagra.aspx[/url]
Levitra
[url]http://www.healthsquare.com/drugs/483352.htm[/url]
Cialis
[url]http://www.healthsquare.com/drugs/483322.htm[/url]
Have fun!
Yeah, with the questionable punctuality of Filipinas, you might consider changing from sildenafil (viagra), to cialis or levitra. That way, if you have to go to a plan b or c, the prong will still be in working order.
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]Depends which tablet...and your weight and what you eat and when you eat.....and try and avoid too much alcohol.....
Here are few links....but basically try not eat eat too much fatty food before you want a boner...and usually an hour before the lady arrives. For some guys I know they take 1 an hour before and another 15 mins before as this helps a longer lasting effect :p What you depends on you and what you feel more comfortable with
Viagra
[url]http://www.viagra.com/taking-viagra/how-to-take-viagra.aspx[/url]
Levitra
[url]http://www.healthsquare.com/drugs/483352.htm[/url]
Cialis
[url]http://www.healthsquare.com/drugs/483322.htm[/url]
Have fun![/QUOTE]Alcohol reduces the impact and so does tiredness.
So for those of us who fuck till we drop, aided and abetted by a lot of San Mig "stock up " !
[QUOTE=Col Law]I keep messing up the timing of the boner tablet any advice thrown instructions away,[/QUOTE]
Cialis.
Take one now, you're good to go anytime up to 36 hours.
You will need to experiment with dosage.
Try 5mg. If not getting the desired effect go to 10mg *next time* & in rare cases may even have to go to the 20mg if 5 or 10 did'nt do the trick.
Dosage is cumulative so if 5mg is not quite strong enough you may find that repeat 5mg dose each day may just put you over the line without increasing the individual dose.
No more than ONE pill per day or your penis may go black & fall off...
Cialis is rapidly absorbed, is not hampered by what you eat (take it any time) & will last a long time.
Can cause a little facial flushing, head ache or back ache (or is that from the shagging?) ;) Take a paracetamol...
Viagra is too short acting.
Levitra is for people with major health problems.
Cialis is available on the street in all the red light districts of PI in a generic form with a fake box. It is not fake drug. It is the real deal & cheap. It is also available in 'Drug Stores' here but at much higher cost supposedly with a prescription but most 'Drug Stores' will accept a promise to bring a script 'next time'.
if you're young & fit, go for it. If you're older with a few health problems best to see your local doc first.
AV
[QUOTE=Backslash]Can you buy Okamato's in the Philippines?[/QUOTE]
Yes. Its available in 7/11 and watson's pharmcay all over PH...good luck :)
[QUOTE=David_33]Yeah, with the questionable punctuality of Filipinas, you might consider changing from sildenafil (viagra), to cialis or levitra. That way, if you have to go to a plan b or c, the prong will still be in working order.[/QUOTE] Now I understand where I have been messing up been using sildenafil change tablet I think.
Thank you
Just a note to budget-conscious visitors and those planning on staying in PH for a long time or retiring here.
From July 1st to November 1st, 2010, the US Dollar has decreased in value nearly 9% vs. The PH Peso: from 46P to 42P to $1. Furthermore, inflation is nearly 5% in 2010 in PH. So the buying power of US Dollars will end up decreasing about 14% overall in 2010.
Furthermore, the PH stock market has been one of the hottest stock markets in the world in 2010, up about 35% I think. Real estate is booming, etc.
All of the above trends may be significant to your PH travel / living plans. For example, if you made your plan in early 2010 to live in PH on US $20K per year, please consider that your $20K is now worth $17K, and real estate prices are higher, etc. You might want to update any PH living / retirement plans you've made.
[QUOTE=Nvslim]Excuse my lack of knowledge, but I have been married the past 20+ years and never used a condom before (been very lucky not to catch anything deadly). Astro Glide (great stuff) on your dick first and then the condom so you slide inside the condom?
Thanks,
Slim[/QUOTE]Japanese make the thinnest condoms and they are very durable. Try Kimono, Crown, or Okomoto brands then insert lube inside before putting on! Don't use the wrong lube however that will break down the condom. Use only water soluble lubricant like KY, Astroglide, Wet Stuff, Lubafax, Le Gel, or Muko. Never use oil based lubricants or petrolium lubricants. Also try the larger sizes of these brands as they usually feel better, although it depends on the size of your penis. Hope this helps
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]. Somebody had lodged a caveat, and he had to forego the 150, 000 US Apartment at 75, 000. And he is yet to get his money.
[/QUOTE]One lesson from this is: rent, don't buy. Don't put your money where your cock is. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy didn't get framed because they first found out he had property.
I'm thinking of staying in Manila for like a month. A descent hotel would be like 70* x 30 = 2, 100 USD. A bit too much for my budget.
Anyone knows where I can find short term rental for furbished appartement, either a studio or a one bedroom flat.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Satyr23]
Hope this helps
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It does and thanks.
Slim
There is a very serious problem with land titling in the Philippines.
In this country, there are four entities which can issue title. This means that you can never be sure that the title that you hold to any parcel of land is the only title to that parcel, and it will not be challenged.
I spent some time working on a major project to reform the land titling system in the country, and it failed. Apparently because members of the congress did not want the system to be improved.
Of course, on top of this, if your filipina wife/gf decides that she really does want your land, she will take it, no matter what pieces of paper you hold.
This means that you have two impediments to freely and securely owning your lot of land
Up to you to decide if you want to take the risk. There are many stories of land owners having their land stolen out from under their feet. Best to be sure that you will not be one of them.
I think that it is safer to buy an apartment or condo, where you do not actually own title to land.
G
[QUOTE=Backslash]
Q2. Is picking up girls in Cebu realistic in Malls ( I have heard about places in Ayala Mall or SM Mall there) Will my race be a problem? Will my age be beneficial or will it hurt me? ( I actually am very interested in picking up girls in Malls, as it just seems different to picking up bar girls) If it was realistic, then I would probably want to spend more time in Cebu. However, I have also thought since this is my cherry trip to leave things simple. So I'm not sure...
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Depends on what you look like. I am Chinese Canadian myself. But frequently get mistaken for a local Filipino. Not in the bars in AC, because local Filipino guys don't often frequent those bars. But on the street and in the malls, locals often start jabbering in Tagalog to me, assuming I am Filipino.
[QUOTE=Backslash]
Q3. Being an Asian-Australian, will Bar Girls attempt to extort me for Korean/Japanese Prices in AC? Will they expect crazy tips or something? I mean at the end of the day, will they consider that I'm Australian or Korean/Chinese?
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I am Chinese Canadian myself. Have been in AC twice in the last couple of months. Tell people your background, and nobody will expect you pay/tip like a Korean or Japanese.
If anything, they won't really know what to make/expect of you, since ethnic Chinese (from outside Philipines) are rare visitors to AC. They will probably revert to what they are most familiar with, and treat you like a (white) foreigner. Or maybe that's because of all the whiteys I hung around with.
[QUOTE=Backslash]
Q7. With regards to AC, will my age be a problem at all there either? I realise I might be one of the young ones, but will that open me to more runners or a more GFE? Will it make girls more worried about me in the bars, or will they open up more to me?
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The younger you are, the more the bargirls will like you. All else being equal of course.
[QUOTE=Backslash]
Q8. I know this might be a weird question, but I am not sure on whether to act poorer than usual in Angeles City or just be myself. The reason I say this is because I am afraid If I just be myself, then the girls might think because I wear some nice clothes, and booked myself into a good hotel, they might think im really rich and try to take me for everything I have. So with that said, I seriously considered bringing my spare mobile phone, and act more like an expat in spending terms and refuse DLDs and so on. ( I have read the forums and won't be wearing any watches, no bling just a simple chain, and no accessories). I just think that because its my cherry trip and I have this perceived idea from the girls that since I'm staying at the Lewis Grand, I'm young, I am financially ok, they will take advantage of that against me. Anyone have any ideas?
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Take a middle of the road approach with lots of common sense thrown in. Don't be too cheap to buy a Ladydrink if you are even somewhat interested in the girl, but no DLDs. Not buying LDs can get you ignored pretty good by the girls. The local expats get more attention because the girls know/have seen them before.
[QUOTE=Backslash]
Q9. Will it be hard to find a wingman in January/February from the forum members here who would be interested in helping me out around AC?
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Not if you buy them a drink or 2 ;-)
I was lucky enough that I flew there with a buddy, had another buddy who lives there. And got contacts from yet another buddy I know from back home. I hate barhopping on my own.
[QUOTE=Backslash]
Q10. Am I just thinking too much? I personally think I could be, and that no matter how many times I replay what *could* happen in the Philippines regardless of whether I'm in Cebu or Angeles or Manila, it could play out different.
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You probably are thinking too much. Get to AC, get half a dozen San Miguel's into you, and it all flows from there.
[QUOTE=Wadman]Depends on what you look like. The younger you are, the more the bargirls will like you. All else being equal of course.
You probably are thinking too much. Get to AC, get half a dozen San Miguel's into you, and it all flows from there.[/QUOTE]
In AC younger does not really mean a thing. These girls are interested in money. They think young guys do not spend enough or have enough to spend on them.
I have seem some stunners with very old looking, very fat and also some who needs a cane to walk.
One of the odd things about Phi is just that. For some reason young girls do not find it odd being with and publicly showing affection with old people good enough to be their fathers or grandfathers. It is a boon to us mongers when age is not a issue. Even normal girls does not care about the age difference.
Maybe it has something to do with them being molested by old uncles.
In most of the other countries you see young girls with old men only in rich circles, not on the street showing affection.
[QUOTE=Sammon]In AC younger does not really mean a thing. These girls are interested in money. They think young guys do not spend enough or have enough to spend on them.[/QUOTE]
Going to disagree with this a bit, or maybe add something. Having spent many nights and days dating both a mamasan, an older waitress, and any number of regular dancers (all of whom hang/hung with me without barfine), I will tell you what they tell me. Younger/handsome DOES mean something. They joke about "They do him free hahaha." While many girls are willing to do anything with any guy (just look at what they put up with from me) no matter his looks, there are also girls that have standards. They will not leave the bar up with older/fat/ugly. Thus, a wide variety of both likes and also what they are willing to do for a peso. If there is an established relationship between the bargirl and the man, she is much more willing to hold his hand in public, f*ck him (even for no money), act like his gf. If not, if they have only his first visit to the bar to see him (and little chance to talk to him or find out if he's nice) they are more likely to do those things based on his age/looks.
I had a 3-some a few months back in AC. After the fun as we were chatting away, we got going on this topic of gwapo and who they like and don't like. I asked if them if they were in the mall and could choose any man for a quick fun-f*ck, who would they choose? Girl A said no black men, but any other. Girl B said no filipino man, but any other. Age, I asked? And what determined which guy? They both said GWAPO. Girl A (age 26) said no older than 25. We laughed because that's younger than she is. Girl B (age 21) said at first no older than 30, then laughed and said, "Maybe 25 also." I asked if they would f*ck a handsome 40-year old man for fun and they both said no. "Not stranger. No. Not even a handsome." So, they are willing to f*ck for free a handsome 25-yr-old guy, but not a handsome 40-yr-old guy This was interesting to me, the stranger thing. I asked if they ever slept with older men who are not a stranger. "Yes sometime. If he's nice man and gwapo too. Old customer sometime."
Ah. There you have it. Its only a sample of two girls, but you can see that they prefer younger men (unless he's paying). They prefer gwapo (unless he's paying). I get this same info about the dancers from a mama and a waitress. If you are older or less handsome and a stranger, then money is the only thing that matters. If you are younger or more handsome, money matters less. They are GIRLS.
[QUOTE=Sammon] I have seem some stunners with very old looking, very fat and also some who needs a cane to walk.
One of the odd things about Phi is just that. For some reason young girls do not find it odd being with and publicly showing affection with old people good enough to be their fathers or grandfathers. It is a boon to us mongers when age is not a issue. Even normal girls does not care about the age difference.
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Disagree respectfully with this. I think there is something more to add to the mix here. We've all seen the PYT with the grandpa-cano in philippines, both in AC and in the province. It seems the only country where this happens (19 y.o. girl and a 67 y.o. man with a cane and holding hands). While Sammon says "young girls do not find it odd... with old people...", I disagree. She is VERY aware of the oddity of this. She is VERY aware of what she is displaying. So is everyone else. Is it a boon for us? Yes! But, I think all the parties are aware that its some form of prostitution (the girl, the man, her family, and the public who has to view them). You will not see young girls holding hands or having an open relationship with a filipino man who is 20-30-40 years older. Given that, and the fact that she will stop being his gf the instant his money stops flowing, I think we should not delude ourselves into thinking that these girls are not averse to older men (like girls everywhere tend to be).
I was chatting a girl in Dipolog. Her pinay neighbor (age 20) got a visit from an aussie, an older fat gent (she estimated in his 60's), for a week. My friend said that while everyone turns a blind eye to them holding hands and sleeping in his hotel, "we all know she do anything now for the pisos." And, "we never do with pinoy like that." Age really is an issue, but $ can overcome that (as paper covers rock...).
I need to get additional Visa pages for my passport. I was told by the U. S. Embassy to send the passport and form by Air 21/Fed Ex. They said the U.S. Embassy would then contact me and I would then go it and pay in the morning and receive it back in afternoon.
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Has anyone done this process and did it work smoothly? or was it a hassle?
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Thank you for your help.
[QUOTE=Big Johnson2]I need to get additional Visa pages for my passport. I was told by the U. S. Embassy to send the passport and form by Air 21/Fed Ex. They said the U.S. Embassy would then contact me and I would then go it and pay in the morning and receive it back in afternoon.
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Has anyone done this process and did it work smoothly? or was it a hassle?
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Thank you for your help.[/QUOTE]
I just did it a couple of weeks ago, and it worked fine. The whole thing took about 3 days with no hassles at all.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I just did it a couple of weeks ago, and it worked fine. The whole thing took about 3 days with no hassles at all.
GE[/QUOTE]Has anyone gotten a new passport recently? I travel frequently and I want to get the new 48-page passport. Is the US Embassy in Manila able to process it?
[QUOTE=Westcoast1]Going to disagree with this a bit, or maybe add something. Having spent many nights and days dating both a mamasan, an older waitress, and any number of regular dancers (all of whom hang/hung with me without barfine), I will tell you what they tell me. Younger/handsome DOES mean something. They joke about "They do him free hahaha." While many girls are willing to do anything with any guy (just look at what they put up with from me) no matter his looks, there are also girls that have standards. They will not leave the bar up with older/fat/ugly. Thus, a wide variety of both likes and also what they are willing to do for a peso. If there is an established relationship between the bargirl and the man, she is much more willing to hold his hand in public, f*ck him (even for no money), act like his gf. If not, if they have only his first visit to the bar to see him (and little chance to talk to him or find out if he's nice) they are more likely to do those things based on his age/looks.
I had a 3-some a few months back in AC. After the fun as we were chatting away, we got going on this topic of gwapo and who they like and don't like. I asked if them if they were in the mall and could choose any man for a quick fun-f*ck, who would they choose? Girl A said no black men, but any other. Girl B said no filipino man, but any other. Age, I asked? And what determined which guy? They both said GWAPO. Girl A (age 26) said no older than 25. We laughed because that's younger than she is. Girl B (age 21) said at first no older than 30, then laughed and said, "Maybe 25 also." I asked if they would f*ck a handsome 40-year old man for fun and they both said no. "Not stranger. No. Not even a handsome." So, they are willing to f*ck for free a handsome 25-yr-old guy, but not a handsome 40-yr-old guy This was interesting to me, the stranger thing. I asked if they ever slept with older men who are not a stranger. "Yes sometime. If he's nice man and gwapo too. Old customer sometime."
Ah. There you have it. Its only a sample of two girls, but you can see that they prefer younger men (unless he's paying). They prefer gwapo (unless he's paying). I get this same info about the dancers from a mama and a waitress. If you are older or less handsome and a stranger, then money is the only thing that matters. If you are younger or more handsome, money matters less. They are GIRLS.
Disagree respectfully with this. I think there is something more to add to the mix here. We've all seen the PYT with the grandpa-cano in philippines, both in AC and in the province. It seems the only country where this happens (19 y.o. girl and a 67 y.o. man with a cane and holding hands). While Sammon says "young girls do not find it odd... with old people...", I disagree. She is VERY aware of the oddity of this. She is VERY aware of what she is displaying. So is everyone else. Is it a boon for us? Yes! But, I think all the parties are aware that its some form of prostitution (the girl, the man, her family, and the public who has to view them). You will not see young girls holding hands or having an open relationship with a filipino man who is 20-30-40 years older. Given that, and the fact that she will stop being his gf the instant his money stops flowing, I think we should not delude ourselves into thinking that these girls are not averse to older men (like girls everywhere tend to be).
I was chatting a girl in Dipolog. Her pinay neighbor (age 20) got a visit from an aussie, an older fat gent (she estimated in his 60's), for a week. My friend said that while everyone turns a blind eye to them holding hands and sleeping in his hotel, "we all know she do anything now for the pisos." And, "we never do with pinoy like that." Age really is an issue, but $ can overcome that (as paper covers rock...).[/QUOTE]
You are basing your opinion on what they are saying. Ofcourse they will not admit to what is in my report. What they say and what they do are totally different. In reality if you have gone to Phi many times as I have you see very young girls with old men all the time. Even in provinces
old men have married and living with young wives. Ofcourse there is some stigma attached to it but for the sake of stable life with money the girls and their families are willing to overlook these things.
The other day I was chatting with a girl from Dia. I asked her why she is interested in foreign men. She said her friend who is 22 years old is married to a guy from Australia who is 66 years old.
Even in AC I have seen good looking girls with old men. Do not forget AC exists only because poverty is everywhere in Phi.
In an Ideal world without poverty very few young girls will go with old men.
P4P girls will go with whoever but normal girls will not.
I have a sister inlaw. Who 20 years ago was pretty. 22 years old. passed her PI nursing board. Was a registered nurse. She ran off to Cagayan Del oro with a 64 year old married doctor who had four kids. Yes he had money. Yes the family disowned her for 10 years. Yes she gave him only one son to seal the deal. Yes they are still together.
My X did not like me saying your sister is just lazy. I still stand by the statement.
It happens in PI with PI men also is my point.
[QUOTE=Redman69]I have a sister inlaw. Who 20 years ago was pretty. 22 years old. passed her PI nursing board. Was a registered nurse. She ran off to Cagayan Del oro with a 64 year old married doctor who had four kids. Yes he had money. Yes the family disowned her for 10 years. Yes she gave him only one son to seal the deal. Yes they are still together.
My X did not like me saying your sister is just lazy. I still stand by the statement.
It happens in PI with PI men also is my point.[/QUOTE]
Sex and companionship is a powerfull weapon which has been used historically by young beautifull girls to seduce rich powerfull men so that they can have a good life.
Although in our western countries it is frowned upon for a 20 something girl to be with a 60 something man, this happens in poor countries. In effect it sad. But who are we to judge?
[QUOTE=Sammon]Sex and companionship is a powerfull weapon which has been used historically by young beautifull girls to seduce rich powerfull men so that they can have a good life.
Although in our western countries it is frowned upon for a 20 something girl to be with a 60 something man, this happens in poor countries. In effect it sad. But who are we to judge?[/QUOTE]
That's true. After all, no one could seriously believe that Jackie Kennedy married Aristotle Onassis out of love or romantic attraction.
RadicalJD
[QUOTE=Westcoast1]Going to disagree with this a bit, or maybe add something. Having spent many nights and days dating both a mamasan, an older waitress, and any number of regular dancers (all of whom hang/hung with me without barfine), I will tell you what they tell me. Younger/handsome DOES mean something. They joke about "They do him free hahaha." While many girls are willing to do anything with any guy (just look at what they put up with from me) no matter his looks, there are also girls that have standards. They will not leave the bar up with older/fat/ugly. Thus, a wide variety of both likes and also what they are willing to do for a peso. If there is an established relationship between the bargirl and the man, she is much more willing to hold his hand in public, f*ck him (even for no money), act like his gf. If not, if they have only his first visit to the bar to see him (and little chance to talk to him or find out if he's nice) they are more likely to do those things based on his age/looks.
I had a 3-some a few months back in AC. After the fun as we were chatting away, we got going on this topic of gwapo and who they like and don't like. I asked if them if they were in the mall and could choose any man for a quick fun-f*ck, who would they choose? Girl A said no black men, but any other. Girl B said no filipino man, but any other. Age, I asked? And what determined which guy? They both said GWAPO. Girl A (age 26) said no older than 25. We laughed because that's younger than she is. Girl B (age 21) said at first no older than 30, then laughed and said, "Maybe 25 also." I asked if they would f*ck a handsome 40-year old man for fun and they both said no. "Not stranger. No. Not even a handsome." So, they are willing to f*ck for free a handsome 25-yr-old guy, but not a handsome 40-yr-old guy This was interesting to me, the stranger thing. I asked if they ever slept with older men who are not a stranger. "Yes sometime. If he's nice man and gwapo too. Old customer sometime."
Ah. There you have it. Its only a sample of two girls, but you can see that they prefer younger men (unless he's paying). They prefer gwapo (unless he's paying). I get this same info about the dancers from a mama and a waitress. If you are older or less handsome and a stranger, then money is the only thing that matters. If you are younger or more handsome, money matters less. They are GIRLS.
Disagree respectfully with this. I think there is something more to add to the mix here. We've all seen the PYT with the grandpa-cano in philippines, both in AC and in the province. It seems the only country where this happens (19 y.o. girl and a 67 y.o. man with a cane and holding hands). While Sammon says "young girls do not find it odd... with old people...", I disagree. She is VERY aware of the oddity of this. She is VERY aware of what she is displaying. So is everyone else. Is it a boon for us? Yes! But, I think all the parties are aware that its some form of prostitution (the girl, the man, her family, and the public who has to view them). You will not see young girls holding hands or having an open relationship with a filipino man who is 20-30-40 years older. Given that, and the fact that she will stop being his gf the instant his money stops flowing, I think we should not delude ourselves into thinking that these girls are not averse to older men (like girls everywhere tend to be).
I was chatting a girl in Dipolog. Her pinay neighbor (age 20) got a visit from an aussie, an older fat gent (she estimated in his 60's), for a week. My friend said that while everyone turns a blind eye to them holding hands and sleeping in his hotel, "we all know she do anything now for the pisos." And, "we never do with pinoy like that." Age really is an issue, but $ can overcome that (as paper covers rock...).[/QUOTE]
Congratulations mate you nailed the truth of it 100%.
Anybody who disagrees is fooling themselves.
AV
[QUOTE=Amavida]Congratulations mate you nailed the truth of it 100%.
Anybody who disagrees is fooling themselves.
AV[/QUOTE]Its sad to see AV how you have gone from being someone who was very happy and contented with life in Manila to someone who is clearly a lot harder and more cynical about life there.
When I lived there and I felt that life there was getting too much, I would arrange multiple business trips and being away from the place allowed the sense of fun to return.
Now I dont live there anymore I love my trips there.
[QUOTE=Amavida]Congratulations mate you nailed the truth of it 100%.
Anybody who disagrees is fooling themselves.
AV[/QUOTE]Me was going to add more congrats, but you did the honors. Well, as it is. That's why girls who fuck guys of their age (even for money) are not considered hookers, and those who fuck older guys are tagged as hookers. I seen enough of that, not just in Philippines, but also among the Filipino community here.
Backslash's original question was:
[QUOTE=Backslash]
Q7. With regards to AC, will my age be a problem at all there either? I realise I might be one of the young ones, but will that open me to more runners or a more GFE? Will it make girls more worried about me in the bars, or will they open up more to me?
[/QUOTE]
My answer to him: The younger you are, the more the bargirls will like you. All else being equal of course.
I did qualify my answer by saying " all else being equal".
Sure, we all see 20 year old Filipinas with much older guys. Not denying that. But who would they rather be with? Older guys with money, or younger guys with money?
Backslash has budgetted something like 10k USD for a 3 week trip. So I don't think money will be a problem with this young buck.
[QUOTE=Sammon]Sex and companionship is a powerfull weapon which has been used historically by young beautifull girls to seduce rich powerfull men so that they can have a good life.
Although in our western countries it is frowned upon for a 20 something girl to be with a 60 something man, this happens in poor countries. In effect it sad. But who are we to judge?[/QUOTE]
I think we are not beging judgemental. I think we are simply calling it what it is: the trade of youth/beauty/sex for stability and money. There's no judgement in it, I just think all parties are aware of what it is. Sometimes while everyone is aware of what is going on, the older cano don't think the girl or the locals know what is going on. That's just not true. In fact, its the elephant in the room. Whether with a cano visit, or with marriage of youth/beauty to old/fat/money, everyone knows what is going on. The problem comes when one party does not think the other party knows/cares. That's delusional thinking. The marriage of youth/beauty to old/fat/money happens everywhere, its just more open in filipines.
To the far other end of the spectrum, you also have prostitution involved in traditional marriage of similar-aged individuals. The legal definition of marriage involves financial support. The civil ceremony pledges to have and to hold. Thus, you have a juxtaposition of money and sex. Thus, marriage = legalized prostitution. :)
[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Its sad to see AV how you have gone from being someone who was very happy and contented with life in Manila to someone who is clearly a lot harder and more cynical about life there.
When I lived there and I felt that life there was getting too much, I would arrange multiple business trips and being away from the place allowed the sense of fun to return.
Now I dont live there anymore I love my trips there.[/QUOTE]
I feel the same FF.
I have lived here now for almost 14 years and I am lucky because every year I get around 2 or 3 opportunities to escape to either Australia or some other SE Asian destination for 2 or 3 months at a time because of work opportunities. I feel I would burn out if I didn't get out every now and then to recharge and enjoy different experiences.
There are more things here that I enjoy (that's why I am still here) than those that annoy me, but the things that aggravate me really push me close to the "edge" some days.
Life in the Phils is a roller-coaster of emotions (literally) and sometimes the ride changes day by day
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]I feel the same FF.
I have lived here now for almost 14 years and I am lucky because every year I get around 2 or 3 opportunities to escape to either Australia or some other SE Asian destination for 2 or 3 months at a time because of work opportunities. I feel I would burn out if I didn't get out every now and then to recharge and enjoy different experiences.
There are more things here that I enjoy (that's why I am still here) than those that annoy me, but the things that aggravate me really push me close to the "edge" some days.[/QUOTE]Just to change the subject slightly, but have you Australian gents taken the "Oz" word and turned it into a verb?
Claire_25 from Makati City says "I want to meet a nice guy who's ozzing of sex appeal and a sense of humor. "
Does this mean decent non Australian chaps like me can't apply.
I am arriving in Manila at 10pm, but I am continuing on to Bangkok at 10:30am the following day. Do I still have to pay the 750 peso departure tax? What is the cutoff time to no longer be considered in transit and be subject to the tax?
I think I answered my own question from this website [url]http://www.iatatravelcentre.com/PH-Philippines-customs-currency-airport-tax-regulations-details.htm[/url] :
Airport Embarkation Tax
Passenger Terminal Fee is levied on all passengers embarking for:
1. International travel (including Security Fee): PHP 750.-.;
2. Domestic travel: PHP 200.-.
Place of payment: Airport of departure.
Exempt:
1. Children under 2 years of age.
2. Transit passengers remaining in the transit area and not leaving the airport.
3. Crew members.
Surely they will not allow me to stay in the transit area and not leave the airport for 12 hours overnight, as well I would not want to. Looks like i will be spending the night at CityState again.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational].......................
Surely they will not allow me to stay in the transit area and not leave the airport for 12 hours overnight, as well I would not want to. Looks like i will be spending the night at CityState again.[/QUOTE]
And paying 750 pesos Departure Tax when you leave too.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Just to change the subject slightly, but have you Australian gents taken the "Oz" word and turned it into a verb?
Claire_25 from Makati City says "I want to meet a nice guy who's ozzing of sex appeal and a sense of humor. "
Does this mean decent non Australian chaps like me can't apply.[/QUOTE]Relax mate - like School is SKUL - I believe ozzing = oozing. Well, you get the picture right? It is all about the pronunciation, not how it is spelt.
On my next trip AC will be my first destination in the Phils. Are micro sim cards (iphone) that easy to buy like "normal" sim cards. I wld like to use my iphone with a prepaid micro sim card. Are they sold in any mobile shop or do I have to go to some specialized sellers? Thanks in advance for your replies.
[QUOTE=Sid70]On my next trip AC will be my first destination in the Phils. Are micro sim cards (iphone) that easy to buy like "normal" sim cards. I wld like to use my iphone with a prepaid micro sim card. Are they sold in any mobile shop or do I have to go to some specialized sellers? Thanks in advance for your replies.[/QUOTE]They arent available in the normal smartbuddy reload type shops but in most malls there are some "normal" phone shops as well as pc shops.. they have the micro sd cards with the adapters cards for viewing your snaps of the Yolly, Evelyn and Jhengs that you will be meeting... lol. Most malls have got the normal Kodak camera stores if you need the normal SD camera cards too.
[QUOTE=Sid70]On my next trip AC will be my first destination in the Phils. Are micro sim cards (iphone) that easy to buy like "normal" sim cards. I wld like to use my iphone with a prepaid micro sim card. Are they sold in any mobile shop or do I have to go to some specialized sellers? Thanks in advance for your replies.[/QUOTE]
A buddy living in Manila answered the same question for me just the other day. She told me that you have to go to the official store of the carrier of your choice, which you will find in any mall. There, they have prepaid micro sims available. You're not likely to find micros in the smaller, non-official stores that are everywhere.
Be careful while handling your gear in public.
[QUOTE=Gumby2004]Be careful while handling your gear in public.[/QUOTE]Not to be a scare monger, come Christmas, robberies and snatches go up.
As of now, the score this year, atleast 6 of my friends have lost their phones, snatched while in Jeepney / bus / MTR. And no sir, they are not the type who make up that story expecting you to replace the lost phone. Genuine cases. And most are switching to keeping the iphones at home and carrying cheaper phones. In case of loss. The loss is lesser. And on average, almost 90% of our company's Manila office staff have lost one phone or more. And all are snatch victims.
Almost happened to me atleast three times last year. One guy asking if he can take a look-see at my phone, another accidentally seeming to swipe some dust off my phone. And third bumping into me hoping I drop my phone. I always add a small lanyard to the phone that wraps around my finger, and in Phil, my N97 goes into lock up and out comes my cheap Nokia phones. And I only carry my N97 in instance where I need to take it along.
Be careful.come Christmas, be extremely careful. Maligayong Pasko. Walang celebration. So. Snatch a phone.
That's some good info about the sim cards, thanks. I guess it is similar for aquiring a regular sim card for local service. I have a quad-band phone already unlocked -- so it's just a question of buying a card locally and paying for some minutes, right?
Second Question: Converting US Dollars (Cash)
Do you get a better rate changing US Cash Dollars or Travelers Checks?
What about denominations? Do you get a better rate with a $100 bill vs. a $20 bill? ...or does it not really matter?
Any guidance here would be great.
I have an international ATM card from E*Trade that waives all fees. Maybe I should just use the bank ATMs locally.
thanks, jack
[QUOTE=Peter Gun]Has anyone gotten a new passport recently? I travel frequently and I want to get the new 48-page passport. Is the US Embassy in Manila able to process it?[/QUOTE]I got one about 3 months ago, the day before the price went up astronomically. Now you will be looking at $110 for the passport, $82 for the extra pages in the big book (whereas before it was free), and if you were stateside it would be an additional $60 to expedite it. For a total of $252. I'm am not sure that they will process one for you on GP at an embassy or consulate.. I think your original would have to be lost, badly damaged, or expired. They will definitely add new pages to an existing one.
[QUOTE=Sid70]On my next trip AC will be my first destination in the Phils. Are micro sim cards (iphone) that easy to buy like "normal" sim cards. I wld like to use my iphone with a prepaid micro sim card. Are they sold in any mobile shop or do I have to go to some specialized sellers? Thanks in advance for your replies.[/QUOTE]Someone in another thread said you can shave or cut down a normal SIM to fit the micro slot and it would work.
[QUOTE=Jackzonian]That's some good info about the sim cards, thanks. I guess it is similar for aquiring a regular sim card for local service. I have a quad-band phone already unlocked -- so it's just a question of buying a card locally and paying for some minutes, right?
Second Question: Converting US Dollars (Cash)
Do you get a better rate changing US Cash Dollars or Travelers Checks?
What about denominations? Do you get a better rate with a $100 bill vs. a $20 bill? ...or does it not really matter?
Any guidance here would be great.
I have an international ATM card from E*Trade that waives all fees. Maybe I should just use the bank ATMs locally.
thanks, jack[/QUOTE]
Travellers Cheques - avoid. The rate is not that important, it is finding somewhere to change them. The Phils is one place where you need to check up with your travellers cheque supplier on locations where they can be changed. IF (and it is a big IF) the hotel agrees to change them, then the rate will be crap too.
I never had a problem with the bill size. Maybe if you went down to single dollars they might have a problem, especially if it wasn't crisp and clean.
ATM cards don't necessarily work in all machines. You will definitely find machines that work, but you might have to walk a bit to access the one you need. Also the local banks put on a fee for poreigners' ATM cards, make sure your Etrade card also covers local fees.
[QUOTE=Rubberyman]I never had a problem with the bill size. Maybe if you went down to single dollars they might have a problem, especially if it wasn't crisp and clean.[/QUOTE]The money changer in Cebu at Ayala Terraces had a notice posted saying that they gave 1% less on smaller denomination notes (i.e. JPY1000, equivalent of USD12), but never seemed to enforce it.
What you do need to take care about is older US notes. Many of the changers won't accept anything but the most recent design.
[QUOTE=Rubberyman]
ATM cards don't necessarily work in all machines. You will definitely find machines that work, but you might have to walk a bit to access the one you need. Also the local banks put on a fee for poreigners' ATM cards, make sure your Etrade card also covers local fees.[/QUOTE]
I often use a British Caxton FX pre-paid currency cards whilst travelling, which offers excellent exchange rates and no fees.
In the Philippines, I have used the card at HSBC (also allowing higher withdrawal limits) without any charges. I received a rate of about 65 pesos per pound, recently. That days rate was 67.
The card has not worked at any other bank that I have tried.
There seems to be a regular cycle of discussions about the phenomenon of younger filipinas dating or marrying older caucasian men.
Invariably, the root cause is put down to money.
But there is a whole layer of discussion which has not been touched, and which is the reality.
Every species is driven by the urge to procreate and to propagate the species.
Within each species, every member is trying to mate with one with the best genetics that they can find.
Good genetics in humans is indicated in a number of ways. For females, the indicators of good genetics are the factors which go together to determine whether a woman is seen as being beautiful or not. (the reason why men look at womens’ breasts for example is not to check how big they are, but to check on symmetry. High symmetry is a good indicator of good genetics. Every beautiful woman has high body symmetry).
For males, good genetics is indicated by strength, or power, and also the factors that make a man handsome are also good indicators of good genetics.
When it comes to power, we frequently see cases in western society where very ugly senators, rich businessmen etc are pursued by younger, beautiful women. These women are being driven by the urge to mate with a male in a position of power, because it indicates good genetics.
Likewise, among races, the white, Caucasian male is seen to be at the top of the heap in terms of power. Just because we are white men.
So young filipinas are driven by an urge to mate with a white male because she perceives that he has better genetics than other males. Lucky for us.
Simple.
It is called nature.
[QUOTE=Gangles] Likewise, among races, the white, Caucasian male is seen to be at the top of the heap in terms of power. Just because we are white men.
So young filipinas are driven by an urge to mate with a white male because she perceives that he has better genetics than other males. Lucky for us.
[/QUOTE]
Heil Gangles! Mein Fuhrer!!
Are you just been provocative or are you really serious?
[QUOTE=Gangles]
Within each species, every member is trying to mate with one with the best genetics that they can find.
[/QUOTE]
Speak for yourself. I'm a member, and I'm not trying to mate with one with the best genetics. Never was. I was (and am) trying to mate with EVERY female member I can find.
:)
[QUOTE=Gangles]There seems to be a regular cycle of discussions about the phenomenon of younger filipinas dating or marrying older caucasian men.
Invariably, the root cause is put down to money.
But there is a whole layer of discussion which has not been touched, and which is the reality.
Every species is driven by the urge to procreate and to propagate the species.
Within each species, every member is trying to mate with one with the best genetics that they can find.
Good genetics in humans is indicated in a number of ways. For females, the indicators of good genetics are the factors which go together to determine whether a woman is seen as being beautiful or not. (the reason why men look at womens’ breasts for example is not to check how big they are, but to check on symmetry. High symmetry is a good indicator of good genetics. Every beautiful woman has high body symmetry).
For males, good genetics is indicated by strength, or power, and also the factors that make a man handsome are also good indicators of good genetics.
When it comes to power, we frequently see cases in western society where very ugly senators, rich businessmen etc are pursued by younger, beautiful women. These women are being driven by the urge to mate with a male in a position of power, because it indicates good genetics.
Likewise, among races, the white, Caucasian male is seen to be at the top of the heap in terms of power. Just because we are white men.
So young filipinas are driven by an urge to mate with a white male because she perceives that he has better genetics than other males. Lucky for us.
Simple.
It is called nature.[/QUOTE]
I guess you are in the wrong forum. This is a forum to find ladies with any hole to fuck. Not to procreate and natural selection process.
In mongering situation we are striving for zero procreation.
I did not know money is distributed according to genetics! We fuck, we give money, and ofcourse we run to find another willing hole for fun.
If I was looking for breast symmetry, body symmetry, height and weight average etc to check on genetics first I would never have fucked anybody.
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]Heil Gangles! Mein Fuhrer!!
Are you just been provocative or are you really serious?[/QUOTE]Heil Gangles! In my experience, yes sir, filipinas are driven to make babies by white males, but why or why not is not encoded in their brain.
Apparently they too believe that a white looking baby is going to make it big. Dunno how.
And it is proven when I have seen girls going for free sex with caucasins, and overlook the big offers from non caucasians. And their intention with the caucasians is not to extract money on the long term. But. To have a good looking baby.
Mama knows best I guess. What was your question again?
[QUOTE=Vsemkoma]I just wanted to comment that Im really enjoying the content on the general site i.e. outside of the bulletin board. I just read the Bill Bruford interview, recently read the Allman Brothers review and some other reviews and Im really finding lots of useful information. Id have to say the site is getting better monthly.
Good job man[/QUOTE]Recent results are
Morton 2-1 Dunfermline
Falkirk 0-1 Ross County
Cowdenbeath 5-1 Stirling
Ayr 1-0 Airdrie
East Fife 4-1 Alloa
Forfar 1-1 Peterhead
Livingston 2-0 Dumbarton
Stenhousemuir 0-0 Brechin
Arbroath 3-2 Berwick
Clyde 1-2 East Stirlingshire
My post being about as meaningless as yours.
Jackson clean us both up...we seem to have spilled something.... lol
[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Recent results are
Morton 2-1 Dunfermline
Falkirk 0-1 Ross County
Cowdenbeath 5-1 Stirling
Ayr 1-0 Airdrie
East Fife 4-1 Alloa
Forfar 1-1 Peterhead
Livingston 2-0 Dumbarton
Stenhousemuir 0-0 Brechin
Arbroath 3-2 Berwick
Clyde 1-2 East Stirlingshire
My post being about as meaningless as yours.
Jackson clean us both up...we seem to have spilled something.... lol[/QUOTE]
Do you have the spanish results handy ;)
Yes, I am serious.
This is how it works.
Imagine this scenario.
A bunch of western guys are in a bar, doing the usual thing. Buy a LD for the woman that you are interested in, chat her up, maybe feel her up.
Then a japanese or Korean guy comes in.
Rings the bell, buys drinks fro the whole bar - including the guys.
Demonstration of power.
Any girl comes close to him, he buys her a drink. Demonstration of power.
You buy another drink for your girl, but she knows that the powerful guy is over there. She will naturally gravitate to the most powerful male.
When he is ready, he gets to make his choice from the best looking women in the place. And they will be pleased to mate with him. Preferably bareback.
It is called nature.
Unfortunately western people have become so far removed from the processes of nature, that they are quite ignorant.
I used to run demonstrations of the mating ritual in progress at group meetings. Or the best was when I was lecturing in the local university. When you understand how the mating ritual works, and teh basics of body language, it is just wonderful to watch nature in play.
Next time you are in a bar, watch the guys come in. Most are not alpha males. But when an alpha male comes in, the women will gravitate to him immediately. He exudes power and strong genetics.
It is always entertaining to watch what is actually happening around the bar, much more interesting than watching the dancers.
G
[QUOTE=Gangles]Yes, I am serious.
This is how it works.
Imagine this scenario.
A bunch of western guys are in a bar, doing the usual thing. Buy a LD for the woman that you are interested in, chat her up, maybe feel her up.
Then a japanese or Korean guy comes in.
Rings the bell, buys drinks fro the whole bar - including the guys.
Demonstration of power.
Any girl comes close to him, he buys her a drink. Demonstration of power.
You buy another drink for your girl, but she knows that the powerful guy is over there. She will naturally gravitate to the most powerful male.
When he is ready, he gets to make his choice from the best looking women in the place. And they will be pleased to mate with him. Preferably bareback.
It is called nature.
Unfortunately western people have become so far removed from the processes of nature, that they are quite ignorant.
I used to run demonstrations of the mating ritual in progress at group meetings. Or the best was when I was lecturing in the local university. When you understand how the mating ritual works, and teh basics of body language, it is just wonderful to watch nature in play.
Next time you are in a bar, watch the guys come in. Most are not alpha males. But when an alpha male comes in, the women will gravitate to him immediately. He exudes power and strong genetics.
It is always entertaining to watch what is actually happening around the bar, much more interesting than watching the dancers.
G[/QUOTE]
Correct. And not. There will be at least one (if not many) ladies in the bar who are not at all interested in the rich korean. For whatever reason. She's cherry. Mens. He's ugly. And so on.
[QUOTE=Gangles]Yes, I am serious... He exudes power and strong genetics...
G[/QUOTE]
ok, Gangles, and the moral of the story is? Just wondering!
Cheers!
Hesekiels
there are other guys in the bar ?
[QUOTE=Westcoast1]Speak for yourself. I'm a member, and I'm not trying to mate with one with the best genetics. Never was. I was (and am) trying to mate with EVERY female member I can find.[/QUOTE]Good thinking. And of course, this is the best tactic overall. Because by the sheer volume or numbers on your side, one will evolve with the best genetics.
Cheers
FZ
I was impressed by Cunning Stunts schoolgirl pics in photo gallery.
And that brought up conversation with my wing man as we are enroute to lala land.
What is the legal age?
Or legal age of consent?
We don't want to get ouselves locked up forever, and we are NOT into children, but that school girl looked yummy and very OF age.
I have heard it was 18 but someone else told me 16.
If I remember correctly, there are two ages of consent in the Philippines.
If there is no money involved, the age of consent is 12.
If there is money involved, the age of consent is 18.
Many western countries have enacted legislation which prohibits their citizens from engaging in sexual activity with a female under the age of 18, wherever she is. The persons government becomes the prosecutor, rather than the country where the activity took place. So if you are a citizen of one of these countries, then you are limited to 18+.
Citizens of other countries are not.
So, if I go to the Netherlands, where the age of consent has just been lowered to 14, I can not, as an Australian, engage in sexual activity with a 14 year old. If I do, I risk prosecution by the Australian government. Not the government of the Netherlands.
G
[quote=vandaddio]i was impressed by cunning stunts schoolgirl pics in photo gallery.
and that brought up conversation with my wing man as we are enroute to lala land.
what is the legal age?
or legal age of consent?
we don't want to get ouselves locked up forever, and we are not into children, but that school girl looked yummy and very of age.
i have heard it was 18 but someone else told me 16.[/quote]
of course you realize that this is pure fantasy enactment, as the best role-play always is. the girl was 22 and experienced enough to slip into the part that i wanted her to play thus enabling a thoroughly pleasureable experience for her and me (filipinas love dressing up and fantasy play). i have enjoyed the same in a nurse experience (see pics) and am looking for the right girl to run-in my sexy air hostess uniform.
please, please, please don't attempt any real **** encounters. you can find enough girls in their late teens/early twenties who can easily pass for 16 to satisfy any schoolie fantasy lusts.
[quote=gangles]if i remember correctly, there are two ages of consent in the philippines.
if there is no money involved, the age of consent is 12.
if there is money involved, the age of consent is 18.
g[/quote]
beware! what is told here is pure bs, guys!!
we had the same discussion in a german board some year ago.
in phils there is no legal of sex is the girl is a minor (below age of 18 yrs).
means:
hands off from **** girls.
but if you wanna see filipino prison or be a target of family blackmailing - bahala ka!!!!
lol
[quote=gangles]if i remember correctly, there are two ages of consent in the philippines.
if there is no money involved, the age of consent is 12.
if there is money involved, the age of consent is 18.
many western countries have enacted legislation which prohibits their citizens from engaging in sexual activity with a female under the age of 18, wherever she is. the persons government becomes the prosecutor, rather than the country where the activity took place. so if you are a citizen of one of these countries, then you are limited to 18+.
citizens of other countries are not.
so, if i go to the netherlands, where the age of consent has just been lowered to 14, i can not, as an australian, engage in sexual activity with a 14 year old. if i do, i risk prosecution by the australian government. not the government of the netherlands.
g[/quote]
these links may help or confuse depends which you read but g seems to summarise it well.
[url]http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.ageofconsent.com/philippines.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.sexlaws.org/changing_age_of_consent_consent_from_12_to_16_in_philipines_meets_with_some_resistance[/url]
but rest assured there will always be someone trying to scam you on an **** honey trap....
[quote=cunning stunt]of course you realize that this is pure fantasy enactment, as the best role-play always is. the girl was 22 and experienced enough to slip into the part that i wanted her to play thus enabling a thoroughly pleasureable experience for her and me (filipinas love dressing up and fantasy play). i have enjoyed the same in a nurse experience (see pics) and am looking for the right girl to run-in my sexy air hostess uniform.
please, please, please don't attempt any real **** encounters. you can find enough girls in their late teens/early twenties who can easily pass for 16 to satisfy any schoolie fantasy lusts.[/quote]and the ones that i posted were of a gal who was 24.
i had a few who were interested in her age too.
Tomorrow is another in the seemingly endless continuum of national hlidays here. The head of our finance department told me it's the 27th such day of the year so far. I think there are maybe 10 national holidays in the US, and about the same number in France. When one considers the enormous cost of national holidays, isn't it amazing that a country like the Philippines, with an economy that produces so little, can "afford" almost three times the number of holidays as much more developed, infinitely richer countries? Still another indication of what a ridculous place this is in so many ways.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Tomorrow is another in the seemingly endless continuum of national hlidays here. The head of our finance department told me it's the 27th such day of the year so far. I think there are maybe 10 national holidays in the US, and about the same number in France. When one considers the enormous cost of national holidays, isn't it amazing that a country like the Philippines, with an economy that produces so little, can "afford" almost three times the number of holidays as much more developed, infinitely richer countries? Still another indication of what a ridculous place this is in so many ways.
GE[/QUOTE]don't forget that many of these holidays were introduced by Gloria as a " look at me and see how enlightened I am " president. She never got any extra votes for making Ramadan a holiday in a Christian country but everyone got an extra day off so no one complained. Several were also introduced back in Estrada's time as a means of giving Filipinos an extendee weekend to spur domestic tourism. But yes, more holidays = less work = less income= less to spend.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan]And the ones that I posted were of a gal who was 24.
I had a few who were interested in her age too.[/QUOTE]
FF
Well the one I play with is a real schoolie, 19 and naughty..as you know FF...and RK played with the peach very recently, so he can testify she is naughty
And I dont show her uniform...as she is wearing the real uniform when we have fun....that would be a bit more information than I care to sahre with you mongers...more to come tomorrow :)
I would take what your head of finance says with a grain of salt. The Philippines only has about 20 public holidays; there may be some local holidays but it depends on the city or municipality it seems.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_holidays_in_the_Philippines[/url]
Now, here is an article listing which countries has the most public holidays but oddly enough it does not include the Philippines:
[url]http://www.tourism-review.com/top-10-countries-having-highest-number-of-public-holidays-news1665[/url]
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Tomorrow is another in the seemingly endless continuum of national hlidays here. The head of our finance department told me it's the 27th such day of the year so far. I think there are maybe 10 national holidays in the US, and about the same number in France. When one considers the enormous cost of national holidays, isn't it amazing that a country like the Philippines, with an economy that produces so little, can "afford" almost three times the number of holidays as much more developed, infinitely richer countries? Still another indication of what a ridculous place this is in so many ways.
GE[/QUOTE]
While criticising the Phils for the number of national holidays, just keep in mind that a lot of filipinos work 12 hour days, 7 days a week. Many more work 6 full days per week.
So often, the only time they get some time off is on national holidays.
Of course those that are working in retail awill work anyhow.
G
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]
Well the one I play with is a real schoolie, 19 and naughty..as you know FF...and RK played with the peach very recently, so he can testify she is naughty
And I dont show her uniform...as she is wearing the real uniform when we have fun....that would be a bit more information than I care to sahre with you mongers...more to come tomorrow :)[/QUOTE]
Spoilsport;).
I had a 20 year old regular Fubu who often used to meet me at ST Hotels after school bringing her uniform/school books in a backpack.
As long as you block out the school crest (and the girls face if she is an amateur, as mine was) there should be no problem as often the uniforms are generic to many schools.
I'll dig out a photo and post it on the PG. Dare you to follow suit:D.
Thanks for the info and rest assured, we will not NEVER participate in sex with minors, and I like CS's suggestion to get a uniform and get them to act it out. More experienced also.
Do they all carry ID?
I will ID them to make sure I, m not getting set up.
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]the uniforms are generic to many schools.[/QUOTE]
I really prefer the Japanese school uniform. Especially when about 40 of the HS students are crossing the street at once.
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]Spoilsport;).
I had a 20 year old regular Fubu who often used to meet me at ST Hotels after school bringing her uniform/school books in a backpack.
As long as you block out the school crest (and the girls face if she is an amateur, as mine was) there should be no problem as often the uniforms are generic to many schools.
I'll dig out a photo and post it on the PG. Dare you to follow suit:D.[/QUOTE]
LOL
In the city where she lives and I hang out when am not working my ass off in the Middle East her uniform is not generic...I can now tell what school by the dress/pants etc while sitting in Ayala having coffee. So when I do see a newbie and she is in uniform I can be sure she will not be a classmate :)
Gets me thinking that i should now set myself a task of seeing exactly how many dofferent school uniforms I can 'collect'
Vand...that is fun but nothing beats a real schoolie in her real uniform...asking for a serious spanking with a leather spanker.... and then having even more fun :p
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Tomorrow is another in the seemingly endless continuum of national hlidays here. The head of our finance department told me it's the 27th such day of the year so far. I think there are maybe 10 national holidays in the US, and about the same number in France. When one considers the enormous cost of national holidays, isn't it amazing that a country like the Philippines, with an economy that produces so little, can "afford" almost three times the number of holidays as much more developed, infinitely richer countries? Still another indication of what a ridculous place this is in so many ways.
GE[/QUOTE]
Now if you think that is bad try Sri Lanka. Friends work there and tell me they have so many days off to recognise every religion and it celebrations/holidays that can be impossible to get any work done on time.
Long time ago I was working there myself and the local press complained about the number of public holiday stating it totalled 167 days....:eek:
Personally I would like that..gives me more time to plan my time away from my rather stressful working life and destress :D
On a serious note, I tend to agree GE though many were working yesterday in Ayala but am sure there is a day in lieu somewhere. But we do a balance....well I do...which mean I need more time off to enjoy what I enjoy best :D
I assume many of you are using the SMART BRO stick?
I cannot be without my laptop and need my connection, so this is probably the smartest way to keep connected?
Or?
Oh Wicked One, having worked a bit in Colombo, I can attest to the veracity of what you say. There's a labor law here that forces employers to pay employees triple time for forcing them to work on national holidays. However, I don't know if that applies to large retail establishments. I know it applies in our case.
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]Now if you think that is bad try Sri Lanka. Friends work there and tell me they have so many days off to recognise every religion and it celebrations/holidays that can be impossible to get any work done on time.
Long time ago I was working there myself and the local press complained about the number of public holiday stating it totalled 167 days....:eek:
Personally I would like that..gives me more time to plan my time away from my rather stressful working life and destress :D
On a serious note, I tend to agree GE though many were working yesterday in Ayala but am sure there is a day in lieu somewhere. But we do a balance....well I do...which mean I need more time off to enjoy what I enjoy best :D[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]Spoilsport;).
I had a 20 year old regular Fubu who often used to meet me at ST Hotels after school bringing her uniform/school books in a backpack.
As long as you block out the school crest (and the girls face if she is an amateur, as mine was) there should be no problem as often the uniforms are generic to many schools.
I'll dig out a photo and post it on the PG. Dare you to follow suit:D.[/QUOTE]Here I am chatting with a lady with a new uniform type. She's a security guard. Only 21 and only 44 kgs but nonetheless I have pics of her posing in it. Told her I want to see her in her security guard uniform next time we meet. She's pondering the answer. LOL
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]Now if you think that is bad try Sri Lanka. Friends work there and tell me they have so many days off to recognise every religion and it celebrations/holidays that can be impossible to get any work done on time.
Long time ago I was working there myself and the local press complained about the number of public holiday stating it totalled 167 days....:eek:[/QUOTE]Nah mate, it's much less. About 30 plus to a maximum of 40 days per year. But you know what. In Asia, Sri Lanka still seem to be ranked higher in terms of productivity.: confused: but hey, as long as everybody is happy, nobody is complaining I guess.
For those down-under travelers to the land of the LBFMs*, JetStar, the Qantas budget airline, will introduce in February a direct air service Darwin to Manila three days a week. This will be a great $99AUD one way [$1AUD =$1US]; or $199 from Sydney.
And from New Zealand, in late March, JetStar will introduce a direct Auckland to Singapore flight (11 hours) which can connect with a Singapore to Manila flight, for an all up $650NZ (varies from day to day) [$1NZ =$0.78AUD/US at the moment]
* =Little Brown Fucking Machines
[QUOTE=Vandaddio]I assume many of you are using the SMART BRO stick?
I cannot be without my laptop and need my connection, so this is probably the smartest way to keep connected?
Or?[/QUOTE]
Much of a muchness Van - I use Globe Tattoo as it links to my Globe phone account too so I can reload etc.
I haven't had any connection issues with it anywhere so far. Some folks tell me Smart Bro has more coverage but so far so good for me with Globe.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]Much of a muchness Van - I use Globe Tattoo as it links to my Globe phone account too so I can reload etc.
I haven't had any connection issues with it anywhere so far. Some folks tell me Smart Bro has more coverage but so far so good for me with Globe.[/QUOTE]Outside of Manila/Cebu I've found smart to be much better. Smart is also more generous before they totally expire your sim as well, I believe you can go up to a year at zero before you have to outright replace it.
[QUOTE=KongKing]For those down-under travelers to the land of the LBFMs*, JetStar, the Qantas budget airline, will introduce in February a direct air service Darwin to Manila three days a week. This will be a great $99AUD one way [$1AUD =$1US]; or $199 from Sydney.
And from New Zealand, in late March, JetStar will introduce a direct Auckland to Singapore flight (11 hours) which can connect with a Singapore to Manila flight, for an all up $650NZ (varies from day to day) [$1NZ =$0.78AUD/US at the moment]
* =Little Brown Fucking Machines[/QUOTE]
Those prices are for the SPECIAL ONLY. Once the special is gone expect $400 + one way as most other JSTR destinations. The cheapest way would probably be via KL with Airasia. Having said that another option is always good...
[QUOTE=KongKing]And from New Zealand, in late March, JetStar will introduce a direct Auckland to Singapore flight (11 hours) which can connect with a Singapore to Manila flight, for an all up $650NZ (varies from day to day) [$1NZ =$0.78AUD/US at the moment][/QUOTE]11 hours on an A 320? Didn't know A320 could haul so long.
Unless it is the A330s. Just curious.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]11 hours on an A 320? Didn't know A320 could haul so long. Unless it is the A330s. Just curious.[/QUOTE]
Yes I can see you are a Tech man! It's OK. JetStar 3K402 departs Auckland 12.25pm local time, arrives Singapore 6.00pm local time. With 5 hours time zone difference that is 10 hours 25 minutes scheduled flight time. Let's hope, whatever the plane, it gets there!
[QUOTE=KongKing]For those down-under travelers to the land of the LBFMs*, JetStar, the Qantas budget airline, will introduce in February a direct air service Darwin to Manila three days a week. This will be a great $99AUD one way [$1AUD =$1US]; or $199 from Sydney.
And from New Zealand, in late March, JetStar will introduce a direct Auckland to Singapore flight (11 hours) which can connect with a Singapore to Manila flight, for an all up $650NZ (varies from day to day) [$1NZ =$0.78AUD/US at the moment]
* =Little Brown Fucking Machines[/QUOTE]
Sh*t Sh*t Sh*t!!!!!!
I just bought a ticket via Singapore two weeks ago via Sin - just wasted $$$$$ and time. Bwahhhhh!!!!
Still, in future it means I can get on a plane at 7pm in Darwin, and be in AC just before midnight same date for $300. :)
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]11 hours on an A 320? Didn't know A320 could haul so long.[/QUOTE]
A320 can fly max. 5 hours. No way 11.
[QUOTE=Ekspat]A320 can fly max. 5 hours. No way 11.[/QUOTE]Eskpat,
Maybe they are flying with only one engine to save jet fuel to fly longer, that is why they call themself low cost airline.
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Eskpat,
Maybe they are flying with only one engine to save jet fuel to fly longer, that is why they call themself low cost airline.
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]That was a bit of a low-blow.
LCC don't equate to low safety carriers.
Just been hit by 3 different girls sending sms with kidney complaints all asking for 3000 peso for the doctors examination (or treatment)! does any one know of a site out there where the girls go for these stories? Has any one else been hit today also.
Is it possible to open up a bank account in the Philliphines if you are a resident of USA?
If so what is required to set up a bank account?
[QUOTE=Col Law]Just been hit by 3 different girls sending sms with kidney complaints all asking for 3000 peso for the doctors examination (or treatment)! does any one know of a site out there where the girls go for these stories? Has any one else been hit today also.[/QUOTE]Does it really matter? You should know by now that asking for money for a,b.c is a national past time for many pinays.
[QUOTE=Col Law]Just been hit by 3 different girls sending sms with kidney complaints all asking for 3000 peso for the doctors examination (or treatment)! does any one know of a site out there where the girls go for these stories? Has any one else been hit today also.[/QUOTE]
Fairly common for pinay to use this type of excuse. Based on the number of women who blatantly ask strangers for $, filipinas are the sickest group of people on earth. Related request: father has cancer, mom's in the hospital, and so on. About every 4th girl I chat with from DIA makes a medical request at some point. You think they'd be the healthiest people on earth, as often as they go to the doctor.
[QUOTE=Col Law]Just been hit by 3 different girls sending sms with kidney complaints all asking for 3000 peso for the doctors examination (or treatment)! does any one know of a site out there where the girls go for these stories? Has any one else been hit today also.[/QUOTE]
Doctor examinations in Phi is very cheap even if it is true. Only hospital procedure operation costs motre money but still cheap. Phi people cannot afford big medical expenses. However I do not think anybody is denied care for lack of funds.
These girls are pros in inflating the price. Some girls are nice. I had a GF from Leyte who took the bus to manila first time. The cost was around 800 pesos. But another girl in DIA wanted 3000 pesos to take a bus. When confronted she said she nededs to buy clothes etc for the trip. Maybe true , who knows? Some girls are dirt poor and do not have basis decent clothes.
[QUOTE=Hookup09]Is it possible to open up a bank account in the Philliphines if you are a resident of USA?
If so what is required to set up a bank account?[/QUOTE]
Yes
Look back a few pages and there is some interesting discussions on the merits or otherwise of doing this...and some discussion on which banks are best
Of course you may need to disclose it to the USA IRS....not being a US citizen I would not be sure but my US mates seem to have tell your government everything ;)
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]Of course you may need to disclose it to the USA IRS....not being a US citizen I would not be sure but my US mates seem to have tell your government everything ;)[/QUOTE]
You need to declare any foreign accounts containing USD $10,000 or greater.
[QUOTE=Ekspat]A320 can fly max. 5 hours. No way 11.[/QUOTE]
A 330. No way it is a A320.
[QUOTE=Hookup09]Is it possible to open up a bank account in the Philliphines if you are a resident of USA?[/QUOTE]
I'm German living in Malaysia and have an account with HSBC in Manila.
So it should be possible for an American as well I guess.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=Hookup09]Is it possible to open up a bank account in the Philliphines if you are a resident of USA?
If so what is required to set up a bank account?[/QUOTE] I'm an American and I have both a peso and a dollar account at the Bank of Commerce. I opened my accounts in Cebu and all that was required was my passport and money.
However “Big Brother” wants to make sure he's getting his share, so foreign financial accounts must be reported yearly if the [u]aggregate[/u] value of all foreign financial accounts exceeds $10,000 at any time during the calendar year.
[url]http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=148849,00.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]To me Pattaya is the number 1 spot on the planet. You will never run out of things to do there or places to go, even outside of mongering. In Manila or AC you will see guys talking about the same few places that you can count on one hand. You will never hear them talk about how they did things in those two places that did not pertain to mongering. The only pictures I can show people of when I was in Manila or AC are of the trike or me and my wingmen eating in a Chinese restaurant. I have hundreds of BKK/Pattaya pictures outside of mongering related activities.
You mentioned you didn't want mechanical but a lot of that depends on chemistry. That is why I like to shop for my hookers in the FL/Disco department instead of buying off the rack from a bar or fishbowl lineup.
It seems like the girls in the bars are under too much pressure so they tell you whatever you want to hear to get you to buy the drinks or to take them with you. Not only will you get the mechanical, runners, but you are also under time constraints because they have to be back at work at a certain time. FL are just in the disco having a good time. They are not under as much pressure and are not hounding you because there is no mamasan breathing down their necks to separate you from your money.
As far as those places go my rating would be:
1) Pattaya, 2) BKK, 3) AC, 4) Manila.
If you have never been to either then you should definitely visit the pair in each respective country, spending the least amount of time in the capitals. Hell, after all you gotta go through BKK to get to Pattaya and unless you are flying into Clark you gotta go through Manila to get to AC.[/QUOTE]
Nice input form experienced mongers. How about in the looks department? Who thinks Thai chicks are prettier (face) than Pinays? How about the bodies? I have been to Thailand a few times but never to PI but planning one soon. Based on what I am seeing in photographs, to me, Thai girls seem to have prettier faces (highly subjective?) but Pinays seems to have better bodies. Too much generalization may be but would love hear comments form folks who have been to both places.
[QUOTE=Vitrea]Nice input form experienced mongers. How about in the looks department? Who thinks Thai chicks are prettier (face) than Pinays? How about the bodies? I have been to Thailand a few times but never to PI but planning one soon. Based on what I am seeing in photographs, to me, Thai girls seem to have prettier faces (highly subjective?) but Pinays seems to have better bodies. Too much generalization may be but would love hear comments form folks who have been to both places.[/QUOTE]I've been once to Thailand and once to The PI...IMHO, Thai girls have indeed prettier faces but filipinas have bigger boobs and nicer asses on the whole...My favorite is The PÏ and I'm flying back to The PI next February but Thailand is nice too and I think i will fly back to BKK and Pattaya next September.
Thai girls = PSE
Filipinas = GFE
Twenty (or even ten) years ago there would have been no contest with Thai girls well ahead on the looks front. Now I would not be so sure. I love little spinners and it is not so common to find them in Thailand as it once was. I guess its exposure to fast food (but you have jollibee etc here) but it seems that Thai girls come in much bigger sizes than used to be the case.
Another thing that I detest is the slutty tramp stamps that Thai chicks love to deface their bodies with, like graffiti on a temple. Thankfully this is still quite rare amongst young Pinays.
Cs, the Pinays are also getting 'bigger' over the last 10-15 years.
It used to be rare to see seriously chubby girls on the street. Now, not only are they a common sight, but those over 30-35 seem to be in the majority. Of course, the more upscale the mall or neighbourhood, the slimmer they are. Same holds true in North America.
Just returned from a one week visit to AC and Subic after a 6-year absence. I'll share a few observations: Bear in mind that I lived in Subic for 3-years in the 70's and returned to PI several times since then.
1. AC has not changed much since last time. Still plenty of beer and pussy. I found the Pacific Breeze hotel to be a great venue and well located.
2. I found the larger bars to be fun but somewhat impersonal. I prefer a smaler venue where "Everyone knows your name".
3. After 3-days in AC I went to the Blue Rock Resort in Subic and hit the bars in Barrio Baretto. This was much more enjoyable as in the daytime I went jet-skiing, ate well at the resort, slept late then walked 50-feet for an ocean swim, etc.
4. The evenings were a lot of fun, as after a day at the beach, frequenting the bars in the Barrio has a theraputic effect. A few ex-pat investors have really improved the place with quality establishments and fun girls. Try places like "Bar Baretto", Lips (3-bars in one building), Wet Spot, etc.
5. Also, the resort has a nice floating bar about 300-feet offshore open between 1200-2400 with a nice group of bar-girls.
6. I allways tooK 2-girls per night so I could compare pussys and to give them something to do (talk, swim together, etc.) between sessions.
7. After the week was out, I was suntained, gained a few pounds, and had more than enough sex from some great girls.
8. Mission Accomplished.
9. Note: Buy several bags of lollypops at the local store and hand them out at the bars. The girls love it and you can get an idea of who the nasty ones are when they make an effort to show you how well they can lick a lollypop.
if it is a contest it comes down to experience, I bet the guys who can speak Thai and Issan will tell you they cant be beat for gfe . Just spoke Girl in Cebu about duties of a wife wondered what I was talking about ask an Issan girl and she will know, hers and your.
Different strokes for different folks. But for me Thais win on all fronts. I was somewhat disappointed in PI. I don't like spinners. I like girls with some type of shape. The girls were cute and they looked good with clothes on. But when the clothes came off there went the shape. They had no hips nor ass to speak of. If you look in the photo thread of the Thailand section there has been an ass contest going on for the past week or so. Being a black guy I have to have a chick with some ass.
As far as looks are concerned I think Thais win on that as well. I mean after all there are several beauty shops on every corner in BKK and Pattaya. (I have been with more beautician non-pros there than any other profession.) So what I have noticed is that Thais are more refined in that they are always doing something to their hair and nails. The makeup I don't much care for but they are big on that as well. They put on their gold jewelry and all that. To me Pinays were more plain. They didn't have any of the flash that Thai's have. Sure they were cute but they were a bit simple.
And speaking of simple, as I said before, in the wits department the Pinays did not measure up. It's like their only purpose was for fucking. They tended to offer less personality-wise. From the Thais you will get such a good all-around GFE that you will forget that the ones who are hookers are actually hookers. And they won't see themselves as such either. (This also stems from the fact that there is so much more to do in Thailand besides fuck.) For them they will get just as much BFE as they give GFE. On that issue your mileage may vary though. If you are a fun guy to be around and hang out with then you will be in for a treat. If you are a fat slob and only want to buy as much pussy as your money can get you then it won't work that way for you.
On the tattoo deal I am with CS. I much more prefer a chick without tattoos, but in Thailand you won't have much of a choice. Many chicks will have extremely large ones plastered all over their bodies. In PI I didn't notice any women with tattoos.
(Pics of a hairdresser I used to deal with in Pattaya.)
Thanks for the insightful post Mr E. I agree that Thai girls, in general, are simply more interesting, more fun to be around, and more engaging. I also agree that it's probably related to the culture, which in Thailand in rich and vibrant, and her is, well it's hard to find what people mean by "Filipino culture," except in some vague sense. But I think much of the engaging/non-engaging phenomenon may have to do with social class as well. I was invited last night to the home of an upper middle class, well-educated Filipina for Thanksgiving dinner. There were about 18 - 20 people, about half of them expats. The Filipinos were all "upper" class, and really fun people. Their English was fluent; they were well read, and knowledgeable of world events, and just fun to be around. Of course, they're also representative of about 5% of the whole society, so admittedly it's a skewed sample.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Thanks for the insightful post Mr E. I agree that Thai girls, in general, are simply more interesting, more fun to be around, and more engaging. I also agree that it's probably related to the culture, which in Thailand in rich and vibrant, and her is, well it's hard to find what people mean by "Filipino culture," except in some vague sense. But I think much of the engaging/non-engaging phenomenon may have to do with social class as well. I was invited last night to the home of an upper middle class, well-educated Filipina for Thanksgiving dinner. There were about 18 - 20 people, about half of them expats. The Filipinos were all "upper" class, and really fun people. Their English was fluent; they were well read, and knowledgeable of world events, and just fun to be around. Of course, they're also representative of about 5% of the whole society, so admittedly it's a skewed sample.
GE[/QUOTE]Well, I would say. Less than 5%. And me. I am fortunate enough to have met some of the 5% so. Yeah, I could say the best and best, and as smart, and intelligent and world wise and so and so. See I left out educated because most of the educated filipinos still lack the rest, and will claim that it is Filipino culture. Stuff like when invited, bringing the whole barangay, and never offering to share especially when it is a friends meeting.. And things like using somebody and then loosing the person is pretty normal. Unlike the 5%.
Yah, world apart, or maybe a galaxy apart.
But unfortunately, you don't get to see that type in bars.. Or in mongering joints.
One common trait in both Thais and Pinays is a behavior that westerners’ think is jealousy, but in my opinion is really embarrassment.
I am talking about the girl you may have "dated" two or three times and has shown you off to her friends as her latest "hookup" and part-time ATM machine.
Then, she finds out you have strayed into greener pastures and confronts you like a "she-devil".
This is not about jealously. It is about embarrassment in front of her friends. She is embarrassed of what her friends will think of her if she can not satisfy you enough to stay with her.
I have dealt with this since the 70's when I lived in PI and frequented Thailand. I went through cycles of perpetual short-times, interrupted by occasional "steady girlfriends", usually after catching the clap.
I eventually learned to keep it simple and whenever possible go out with duos so as to keep it light and provide them both someone to talk to (one-another).
Just my two Pesos/Baht worth.
The women became angry, and/or very nervous because you caused them to lose face.
And saving face is essential in almost all asian cultures.
If they feel badly enough about losing face, they could go so far as to have you killed. Then their face is restored.
You should always treat everyone in a way that does not cause them to lose face.
G
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Thanks for the insightful post Mr E. I agree that Thai girls, in general, are simply more interesting, more fun to be around, and more engaging. I also agree that it's probably related to the culture, which in Thailand in rich and vibrant, and her is, well it's hard to find what people mean by "Filipino culture," except in some vague sense. But I think much of the engaging/non-engaging phenomenon may have to do with social class as well. I was invited last night to the home of an upper middle class, well-educated Filipina for Thanksgiving dinner. There were about 18 - 20 people, about half of them expats. The Filipinos were all "upper" class, and really fun people. Their English was fluent; they were well read, and knowledgeable of world events, and just fun to be around. Of course, they're also representative of about 5% of the whole society, so admittedly it's a skewed sample.
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Everything you said is 100% right. I believe the % of smarter educated Filipinos is lot higher then the 5% though. I think ppl base their opinions on bar girls only and that is wrong. There are plenty interesting ppl in both countries but we never approach or see them at least as part of our hobby. Thais for me lose out only due to their language skills and as much as I like LOS after a while it gets annoying that you cannot fully communicate with some of them. I find it these days that I can only do a week maybe 10 days max in Thailand while I could probably move to Phill...
[QUOTE=Mc Don]Thais for me lose out only due to their language skills and as much as I like LOS after a while it gets annoying that you cannot fully communicate with some of them. I find it these days that I can only do a week maybe 10 days max in Thailand while I could probably move to Phill...[/QUOTE]
I'm a bit different. If I start frequenting a country then I start learning the local language. It's really annoying, even frustrating, to me when my friends have been to a country 20 times and can't even say hello in the local language.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Thanks for the insightful post Mr E. I agree that Thai girls, in general, are simply more interesting, more fun to be around, and more engaging. I also agree that it's probably related to the culture, which in Thailand in rich and vibrant, and her is, well it's hard to find what people mean by "Filipino culture," except in some vague sense. [/QUOTE]
Filipino Culture = videoke bar, cheesy dramas on TV, church and cockfights on Sunday
Physically.. Thais are prettier and Filipinas are somewhat fatter (junkfood culture) but nowhere near american levels of obesity
Personality wise.. Thais are less jealous, more willing to do anal sex and kinky stuff if thats your thing.. Filipinas speak english much better and give more of a girlfriend experience
[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist]Filipino Culture = videoke bar, cheesy dramas on TV, church and cockfights on Sunday
Physically.. Thais are prettier and Filipinas are somewhat fatter (junkfood culture) but nowhere near american levels of obesity
Personality wise.. Thais are less jealous, more willing to do anal sex and kinky stuff if thats your thing.. Filipinas speak english much better and give more of a girlfriend experience[/QUOTE]You forgot the worst daily television show in all of Asia. Wowwowwee
Slippery f/k/a Puerto La Cruz
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I'm a bit different. If I start frequenting a country then I start learning the local language. It's really annoying, even frustrating, to me when my friends have been to a country 20 times and can't even say hello in the local language.[/QUOTE]
Agree whole heartedly.
The advantage of being able to say even a few words well exceeds the effort to learn.
With such aids as Pimsleur being cheap, it is easy to get up to a couple of hundred words in a month or so in almost any language.
However, it is not worth getting frustrated if others cannot see the benefit.
*shrug*
[QUOTE=Slippery]You forgot the worst daily television show in all of Asia. Wowwowwee
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You're out of touch Slippery.
The good news is that Wowowee has been finished for around 3 months now; the bad news is that it's been replaced by an even worse show called "Filipinas Win na Win"
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I'm a bit different. If I start frequenting a country then I start learning the local language. It's really annoying, even frustrating, to me when my friends have been to a country 20 times and can't even say hello in the local language.[/QUOTE]
I understand what you are saying but its not the same. I speak 8 languages, mostly sothern/eastern european. I travel for about 9-10 months of the year. Yes I can speak a bit of thai and tagalog but its still not the same. For me I often go on a romp the first few days and then like to settle into a nice GFE experience and perhaps go somewhere nice for few days. I find that in Philippines its much more enjoyable even though there is far less to see or do. The right girl makes up for it. What pisses me off about thailand and working girls there is that they are kind of like the italians. No matter how many tourists they get or how many customers they have that speak english some of them just can't be fucked to make the effort to learn the language.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]You're out of touch Slippery.
The good news is that Wowowee has been finished for around 3 months now; the bad news is that it's been replaced by an even worse show called "Filipinas Win na Win"[/QUOTE]
The only good thing about Wowwowee was the danciong girls...turn the sound off and watch as I did from the comfort of my living (always thought my preferred job was being the guy who picked the dancers for the show :) What a perfect job for me!). Even peachy says that to me...she knows I enjoyed watching the girls LOL
Not seen the new show RK but as long as it involves young slim pinays dancing in skimpy costumes I can stand it ;) with the sound off....but I have to admit those types of shows seem to be very typical in PI and mainly rubbish
Still if I could have the job of selecting the dancers...please :D
My maid watches Eat Bulaga religiously every lunchtime. If she misses it, she sulks for the rest of the day. It must be great fun if you have an IQ lower than your average goldfish:).
With regards to the lovely dancing girls that feature in all these shows - I've heard that the casting couch gets a fair battering here in The Philippines with all those young girls looking for an TV opening. Casting manager for these shows must be the best job in The Philippines:D.
Even if I'm only going to a country once I try to get the absolute basics of the language – directions, numbers, politeness (please, thank you, excuse me, etc.) but I'm afraid I'm on Mr. E's sh*t list in Thailand. I've been there maybe fifteen times and just CANNOT get past the basics. I apparently am tone deaf, and that is crippling. I think my worst moment there was when I was frantically looking something up in the dictionary – one of those that has three columns: the English word, someone's best guess at how one would spell the Thai word using western characters, and the Thai characters. Useful, because you can point to the Thai word after you've butchered the pronunciation so badly that the girl has pulled out a knife to defend what little honor she might have. At any rate, as I was looking in the left (English) column, I got a glimpse of a familiar word in the center (Thai pronunciation) column: My name! Wow! What does my name mean in Thai? I looked back at the English. My name means, uh. Well. Vagina.
I lost a lot of my manliness that evening.
I was joking about it (I was still in the denial phase) with a TG later and she didn't get it – she just stared in puzzlement. It must have taken three or four minutes to explain. Obviously the Thai word has a rising, falling, or whatever tone, so it was as different from my name is as "cat" is from "cut" At least I keep telling myself that.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]You're out of touch Slippery.
The good news is that Wowowee has been finished for around 3 months now; the bad news is that it's been replaced by an even worse show called "Filipinas Win na Win"[/QUOTE]Apparently so. The show's demise didn't take long after that pervert Willie left. I will however, be there shortly for more "culture" at which time I can get introduced to Filipinas Win na Win and Eat Bulaga.
[QUOTE]With regards to the lovely dancing girls that feature in all these shows - I've heard that the casting couch gets a fair battering here in The Philippines with all those young girls looking for an TV opening. Casting manager for these shows must be the best job in The Philippines:D.[/QUOTE]Yea, only if that casting guy does not happen to be a gay, as I have observed, Philippine showbiz is predominantly run by very annoying gays.
Ok so here I was wandering what to do with my day off in Taipei.
Thought I'd see where all the Filipinas go on their day off and see what transpired.
Found all the stores offering balikbayan boxe, pasaload, Western Union etc then found lots of Filipino restaurants all serving the normal tasteless high quantity crap. Then found some bars with a few Filipinas in them and knew things were getting better.
A few smiles and a few nice friendly hellos (why do the gorgeous ones always hang around with an overweight dog of a friend that needs shooting?!) and I procured a few phone numbers which will be acted on next Sunday.
Interestingly a few other single white males were doing the very same thing. Great mongering minds thinking alike. LOL
If you get to HK on a Sunday check out Charter Street in Central: The city actually closes a block or two at a park so the huge mob of Philippinas can congregate. Hundreds of 'em. Bring a couple books for phone numbers.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan]A few smiles and a few nice friendly hellos (why do the gorgeous ones always hang around with an overweight dog of a friend that needs shooting?!) [/QUOTE]
FF
To answer you question...because you need something to play with while your kinky twin is enjoying and raising the educational standards of the gorgeous ones :D
Good to see you are getting out and about in your new location, as we said, once you 'find your feet' life is easy Taipei...especially if gorgeous ladies are willing to play with kinky old men like us :p
[QUOTE=FreebieFan]A few smiles and a few nice friendly hellos (why do the gorgeous ones always hang around with an overweight dog of a friend that needs shooting?!) and I procured a few phone numbers which will be acted on next Sunday.[/QUOTE]And you have summed up my past hobby, in Singapore. Sundays, at Lucky PLaza which virtually is all of Philippines in 6 floors (plus 1 basement).
Yeah, when idling, that's a good hobby, as long as you don't plan an instant hit and run. Collect this week, meet up next week, and repeat.
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]FF
To answer you question. Because you need something to play with while your kinky twin is enjoying and raising the educational standards of the gorgeous ones
Good to see you are getting out and about in your new location, as we said, once you 'find your feet' life is easy Taipei. Especially if gorgeous ladies are willing to play with kinky old men like us[/QUOTE]Thanks Twin. Thanks to some kind souls here I even found the places where all the motels are. Am sure not up to Sogo standards or even the Dusit but as they require no name no I'd only cash I'm fine with that. A cute Indonesian has been booked for Sunday, with a Filipina as Plan B. Lifes good and getting better!
Its been a while since I did a FR on the phils, here we go.
After expecting to be coming back for non mongering reasons (see advice section) this went a bit wayward during the week.
Rather than cancel my trip I decided to hook up with a couple of girls that I got to know in UAE, treated nicely and were happy to see me.
First was in Manila and we met up. I stayed in a well know 5* in Malate, which is a nice hotel but the surrounding area is a dump, not quite like Makati where I normally stay but I booked at short notice and the rates were much lower.
This girl has always been quite shy but went out for drinks, dinner and even asked to go to a bar in P Burgos as she wanted to see one. I obliged and we did some bar hopping. Bottoms was a great fun place, was busy and had a great buzz.
Eventually we returned to the hotel, I was happy for her to leave being tired after the flight and suggested she do so but she had better plans. We had a really nice session, nothing kinky but a good shag with someone I knew fairly well. In the morning I tried to give her money and put some in her bag. She really didnt want me to give her anything. She told me she wanted to welcome me to Phils and make me happy, she would get a jeepney. I offered her money for Taxi instead, she still refused.
Day 2 and i decided to go to Davao for the night. I like this place. After talking a while to a 65 yr old Brit in the Marco Polo who relocated from Cebu I met Ms A, a friend from UAE from 6 mths back. We went out and ate, hit the bars in Torres St which were fun. A pinoy suggested I dance with what looked like an 18 yr old at one bar, I suggested i was tood old. He said there is no such thing in the Philippines!!!
After a great night out drinking/dancing we went back to mine and had a great session followed by another one in the morning.
This time I tried to sneak the money into her bag but she saw and told me not to. She doesnt do it for money with me. She wanted to give me a good time in return for visiting her.......I finally managed to convince her to at least take taxi money.......
Strangly this girl has been internet dating Mr. A from the Middle East for some time and he recently visited. I asked her the night before if it was right we sleep together and she said she wasnt sure if it would work and he wouldnt know so no problem. So Mr. A, I'm sorry, I did try!
Back to Manila and I have to come home a day early due to an emergency.
Anyway, a weird trip just catching up with some girls i met before and was kind and pleasant to. They repaid me with their kindness by wanting to make me happy!!
Great post glad you had fun and it shows to respect the filipinas unlike some others on this board that give themselves high fives and refer to them as stupid, ignorant, liars and then use them and throw them.
If your approach to meeting women is all about yourself then you will recieve the bottom of the barrel and deserve it.
[QUOTE=Whatsgoingon]Its been a while since I did a FR on the phils, here we go.
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Some of you know about the airport taxi monopoly. The set fare to Ermita or Malate is 530 pesos, even though a metered city taxi going the opposite direction is between 150 and 200. But the airport taxi service is reliable and still reasonable compared to other cities in the world. Thursday night I used the airport taxi to get me and my squeeze to Eurotel on Pedro Gil. The ticket agent and I loaded my bags, I tipped the ticket agent 50 pesos -- he looked surprised that I tipped him -- and away we went.
The driver stopped along the way to get something to eat. My squeeze and I waited about 5 minutes while he did this. When we arrived at Eurotel the doorman unloaded my bags and I asked for the receipt. I gave the driver 600 pesos. The 70 peso tip was a little more than 13%. It would have been a hefty tip for a city taxi going the same distance. But this driver didn’t think it was enough. He said so, loudly calling me “kuripot” (cheap) for all to hear – the doorman and security guard, my squeeze, and various others on the street nearby. Incidentally, he didn’t lift a finger on my bags, since other people, myself included, handled the luggage at both ends. I tipped the doorman 50 pesos.
So here’s my question: did I tip enough, or was the driver right to assail me as kuripot? How much are other mongers tipping for this distance? Filipino friends think I tip too much in taxis, so is this an expectation that applies only to foreign visitors? I promise no backchannel flames for anybody who calls me cheap. Have at it.
Skip
[QUOTE=Skip Kost]Some of you know about the airport taxi monopoly. The set fare to Ermita or Malate is 530 pesos, even though a metered city taxi going the opposite direction is between 150 and 200. But the airport taxi service is reliable and still reasonable compared to other cities in the world. Thursday night I used the airport taxi to get me and my squeeze to Eurotel on Pedro Gil. The ticket agent and I loaded my bags, I tipped the ticket agent 50 pesos -- he looked surprised that I tipped him -- and away we went.
The driver stopped along the way to get something to eat. My squeeze and I waited about 5 minutes while he did this. When we arrived at Eurotel the doorman unloaded my bags and I asked for the receipt. I gave the driver 600 pesos. The 70 peso tip was a little more than 13%. It would have been a hefty tip for a city taxi going the same distance. But this driver didn’t think it was enough. He said so, loudly calling me “kuripot” (cheap) for all to hear – the doorman and security guard, my squeeze, and various others on the street nearby. Incidentally, he didn’t lift a finger on my bags, since other people, myself included, handled the luggage at both ends. I tipped the doorman 50 pesos.
So here’s my question: did I tip enough, or was the driver right to assail me as kuripot? How much are other mongers tipping for this distance? Filipino friends think I tip too much in taxis, so is this an expectation that applies only to foreign visitors? I promise no backchannel flames for anybody who calls me cheap. Have at it.
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I wouldn't know what the normal tip is for these guys. Most people don't use those private cars. I use only the metered taxis, the yellow airport ones or the metered ones dropping off passengers. Think most would be very happy for the 70 pesos. Maybe he saw you tip the ticket agent 50 pesos and figured he'd get more than 20 pesos more than him if he's driving you.
[QUOTE=Skip Kost]Some of you know about the airport taxi monopoly. The set fare to Ermita or Malate is 530 pesos, even though a metered city taxi going the opposite direction is between 150 and 200. But the airport taxi service is reliable and still reasonable compared to other cities in the world. Thursday night I used the airport taxi to get me and my squeeze to Eurotel on Pedro Gil. The ticket agent and I loaded my bags, I tipped the ticket agent 50 pesos -- he looked surprised that I tipped him -- and away we went.
The driver stopped along the way to get something to eat. My squeeze and I waited about 5 minutes while he did this. When we arrived at Eurotel the doorman unloaded my bags and I asked for the receipt. I gave the driver 600 pesos. The 70 peso tip was a little more than 13%. It would have been a hefty tip for a city taxi going the same distance. But this driver didn’t think it was enough. He said so, loudly calling me “kuripot” (cheap) for all to hear – the doorman and security guard, my squeeze, and various others on the street nearby. Incidentally, he didn’t lift a finger on my bags, since other people, myself included, handled the luggage at both ends. I tipped the doorman 50 pesos.
So here’s my question: did I tip enough, or was the driver right to assail me as kuripot? How much are other mongers tipping for this distance? Filipino friends think I tip too much in taxis, so is this an expectation that applies only to foreign visitors? I promise no backchannel flames for anybody who calls me cheap. Have at it.
Skip[/QUOTE]A 70 peso tip for a 530 fare is plenty. He called you kuripot because he's an ungrateful idiot who gets pleasure from name-calling. Next time this happens, get your wallet out as if you're gonna add more, get your money, then give him the exact fare. Make him think twice before he calls a customer "kuripot."
[QUOTE=Skip Kost]The driver stopped along the way to get something to eat. My squeeze and I waited about 5 minutes while he did this. When we arrived at Eurotel the doorman unloaded my bags and I asked for the receipt. I gave the driver 600 pesos. The 70 peso tip was a little more than 13%. It would have been a hefty tip for a city taxi going the same distance. But this driver didn’t think it was enough. He said so, loudly calling me “kuripot” (cheap) for all to hear – the doorman and security guard, my squeeze, and various others on the street nearby. Incidentally, he didn’t lift a finger on my bags, since other people, myself included, handled the luggage at both ends. I tipped the doorman 50 pesos.[/QUOTE]
Filipinos usually dont tip cabbies at all, at best they might let him have the change (say the ride is 93.. they'll give him 100 and let keep the 7 peso change).. Malate cabbies are notorious for being dicks and pulling all kinds of stunts (tinkered meter, overcharge...). Bottom line is, you have to know what the fair costs are.. pay him the fair cost on arrival and ignore the protests.
[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist]Filipinos usually dont tip cabbies at all, at best they might let him have the change (say the ride is 93.. they'll give him 100 and let keep the 7 peso change).. Malate cabbies are notorious for being dicks and pulling all kinds of stunts (tinkered meter, overcharge...). Bottom line is, you have to know what the fair costs are.. pay him the fair cost on arrival and ignore the protests.[/QUOTE]Based on my observations, Filipinos are not a tipping culture.
[QUOTE=Skip Kost]Some of you know about the airport taxi monopoly. The set fare to Ermita or Malate is 530 pesos, even though a metered city taxi going the opposite direction is between 150 and 200. But the airport taxi service is reliable and still reasonable compared to other cities in the world. Thursday night I used the airport taxi to get me and my squeeze to Eurotel on Pedro Gil. The ticket agent and I loaded my bags, I tipped the ticket agent 50 pesos -- he looked surprised that I tipped him -- and away we went.
The driver stopped along the way to get something to eat. My squeeze and I waited about 5 minutes while he did this. When we arrived at Eurotel the doorman unloaded my bags and I asked for the receipt. I gave the driver 600 pesos. The 70 peso tip was a little more than 13%. It would have been a hefty tip for a city taxi going the same distance. But this driver didn’t think it was enough. He said so, loudly calling me “kuripot” (cheap) for all to hear – the doorman and security guard, my squeeze, and various others on the street nearby. Incidentally, he didn’t lift a finger on my bags, since other people, myself included, handled the luggage at both ends. I tipped the doorman 50 pesos.
So here’s my question: did I tip enough, or was the driver right to assail me as kuripot? How much are other mongers tipping for this distance? Filipino friends think I tip too much in taxis, so is this an expectation that applies only to foreign visitors? I promise no backchannel flames for anybody who calls me cheap. Have at it.
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For the high-price of the rip-off fare (I've paid it myself, to not have to stand in the long taxi line) covers your tip. Tipping is not expected there like it is elsewhere. Give the next highest note amount if you can (say, p550) and let him keep the change. You weren't being cheap, in fact you may have over-tipped. Get that kano 15% rule out of your head. When the bill at the restraunt for you and your girl comes for, say, 480 pesos, put down 500 and walk. I'm not saying that you should not be generous (for good service), I'm saying that you don't have to tip unless you get GOOD SERVICE. If you find the service lacking (as you said, he never handled your bags), DONT TIP.
A normal fair to Malate would be p160-180 in the daytime, closer to p100 when traffic is lighter at night. I have yet to go from the airport to Malate (or vice versa) for more than 200 pisos in a regular taxi.
I just returned from 3 months of traveling around the Phillipines and passed thru Manila about 5 times. Manila Taxi Drivers are the worst low-lifes in the country. I always insist on "meter" taxis and even try to have the exact change and give them NO TIP.
I even learned a bad Filipino term used almost exclusively for manila taxi drivers. "Pudong ena mo" means son of a ***** and I follow it up with "Cocksucking bakla".
There are some good taxi drivers but even they will NEVER have change.
Enjoy "buang" (crazy) Manila. Cheapy "to the bone"
[QUOTE=Westcoast1]For the high-price of the rip-off fare (I've paid it myself, to not have to stand in the long taxi line) covers your tip. Tipping is not expected there like it is elsewhere. Give the next highest note amount if you can (say, p550) and let him keep the change. You weren't being cheap, in fact you may have over-tipped. Get that kano 15% rule out of your head. When the bill at the restraunt for you and your girl comes for, say, 480 pesos, put down 500 and walk. I'm not saying that you should not be generous (for good service), I'm saying that you don't have to tip unless you get GOOD SERVICE. If you find the service lacking (as you said, he never handled your bags), DONT TIP.
A normal fair to Malate would be p160-180 in the daytime, closer to p100 when traffic is lighter at night. I have yet to go from the airport to Malate (or vice versa) for more than 200 pisos in a regular taxi.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Key Master] Most people don't use those private cars. I use only the metered taxis, the yellow airport ones or the metered ones dropping off passengers. Think most would be very happy for the 70 pesos. Maybe he saw you tip the ticket agent 50 pesos and figured he'd get more than 20 pesos more than him if he's driving you. [/QUOTE
This is similar to the approach Westcoast describes taking. But I was under the impression these airport taxis have a monopoly contract for the arrival level at Terminal 1. I know there are metered city taxis dropping off departing passengers one level up, but the only way I've found to get up there is a very steep set of stairs at the North end of the lower level loading zone. Not worth the struggle if you have any amount of luggage. Is there some other way to get non-monopoly cabs down on the arrival level? Do you go out through the waiting mobs into the parking lot across the street to look for cabs?
[QUOTE=Skip Kost][QUOTE=Key Master] Most people don't use those private cars. I use only the metered taxis, the yellow airport ones or the metered ones dropping off passengers. Think most would be very happy for the 70 pesos. Maybe he saw you tip the ticket agent 50 pesos and figured he'd get more than 20 pesos more than him if he's driving you. [/QUOTE
This is similar to the approach Westcoast describes taking. But I was under the impression these airport taxis have a monopoly contract for the arrival level at Terminal 1. I know there are metered city taxis dropping off departing passengers one level up, but the only way I've found to get up there is a very steep set of stairs at the North end of the lower level loading zone. Not worth the struggle if you have any amount of luggage. Is there some other way to get non-monopoly cabs down on the arrival level? Do you go out through the waiting mobs into the parking lot across the street to look for cabs?[/QUOTE]
Listen up ok. There are special airport taxis that are metered that only pick up passengers from the airports in Manila. Even Cebu has them now. They don't usually pick up passengers on the street because most people know it's more expensive with them. But they're still cheaper than those private taxis. The meter starts out at 70 instead of the 30-35 pesos the regular meter taxis start and they probably tick a little faster. The cars are pretty new and clean. It's kind of crap for the regular metered taxis to take someone to the airport and have little chance of getting passengers out of there thus I usually am more willing to pay a bit more than meter as they can be stuck in traffic there trying to get out of the area looking for passengers. I know some people will say screw them, but honestly I don't know about most of the complainers here about taxi drivers in Manila, I actually have good experiences with them over 95% of the time. So maybe some of you people who are getting screwed need to brush up on past advice or your attitudes and how you act when getting taxis.
Anyway, for all the airports in Manila if you leave like you are supposed to and depart the front doors of the airport there are signs that point you to metered taxis. Follow the damn signs! You'll see a booth with people sitting there asking where you are going and they'll fill a ticket out for you with number of cab written down for complaints and stuff. They get you in a yellow airport metered taxi that starts at 70 pesos. It's a little more expensive than the regular ones, but not like the ones that are asking 550 or whatever. It's not that bad. If you don't mind going up to arrivals with your stuff you can probably find a regular metered taxi dropping off passenger and get him and it'll most likely be cheaper. Rates being quoted can change depending upon time and traffic to a destination and of course if you are using a regular meter taxi or a yellow airport metered taxi (which is the only authorized metered taxis to take passengers out of airport).
Just want to comment on the people bashing metered taxis here. In my first 2 years or so of coming to PI I used to only go to Angeles. Part of the reason was because people on message boards were constantly bitching about getting scammed by taxis. That may have been the case a long time ago and I'm sure it still happens. But I don't get scammed but will run into someone who wants not to use the meter and sometimes for good reason like they may not get a fare where I'm going out of there or like the airport. I'm willing to bump up the fare when appropriate, which to me is just one of those things. When I finally made the move to try Manila I was so scared to get screwed by the taxi drivers because of all these angry reports. Well I was shocked when that wasn't the case. I now do more time in Manila and Makati on all my trips. If you have common sense and don't like an idiot, you should do fine.
[QUOTE=Skip Kost][QUOTE=Key Master] Most people don't use those private cars. I use only the metered taxis, the yellow airport ones or the metered ones dropping off passengers. Think most would be very happy for the 70 pesos. Maybe he saw you tip the ticket agent 50 pesos and figured he'd get more than 20 pesos more than him if he's driving you. [/QUOTE]
This is similar to the approach Westcoast describes taking. But I was under the impression these airport taxis have a monopoly contract for the arrival level at Terminal 1. I know there are metered city taxis dropping off departing passengers one level up, but the only way I've found to get up there is a very steep set of stairs at the North end of the lower level loading zone. Not worth the struggle if you have any amount of luggage. Is there some other way to get non-monopoly cabs down on the arrival level? Do you go out through the waiting mobs into the parking lot across the street to look for cabs?[/QUOTE]
Skip, there are elevators that go up to the upper level. When you walk out the first set of doors (just past the customs desk) into what appears a lobby (before departing towards the street), ask any security where the elevator is. I turn right, walk about 40 feet to it (its along the wall to your right). Take the elevator up, and exit to the exterior drop-off (departure) zone. You won't have to wait for more than 2 minutes (often no wait) for a taxi to pull in. Unfortunately, these drivers sometimes want an up-front fee for the asking (p300 is typical to Malate, which is normally 90-150 depending the time of day). You can dicker and ask them to use the meter. I often just say 175, and they take it.
Downstairs, sometimes there is no line for the metered taxis. Sometimes its a longggg line. I then decide whether to lug my stuff upstairs or take the 500-peso rip-off taxi. If I'm tired, its the rip-off taxi (often a minivan, and I could care less the price).
Flew BKK to Clark last night with Cebu Pacific. They are VERY STRICT re return /onward tickets and excess baggage.
The guy in the queue before me had a big bag weighing 27 kg and no return/onward ticket. They made him pay 12*350 Bhat = 4900 Bhat excess luggage - he also said they said only a mx of 20kg in the bad so he had to find a box for the other 7 kg- never heard that before. He also had to go away and pay 6000P for a return flight. ie a total of about 13,000P extra (I presume he wanted to keep his options open e the return.
Pretty scandalous. I didn't have a return ticket either but having been through it before knew that the minimum evidence they needed was a Valid Flight Number. I almost got caught out though as I had noted a Philipines Airlines flight no on my laptop. Sadly the battery was flat so they wre about to cal Phil Airlines and check my fictitious booking. I dashed away and eventually found an electric power point and got hold of the flight no which was sufficient to let me on. I put as much heavy stuff in my carry on backpack (which i wore to not give them a chance to weigh (supposed to be max 7 kg) and my laptop bag, so i got under 16kg (they insist on charging even if yiu are 1kg over.
SO IF YOU ARE FLYING IN WITHOUT AN ONWARD TICKET, look up and write down a valid Airline flight no and date/time and have it ready to confidently hand over to them. I suggest an airline not operating from the airport you are departing from to reduce the chance that they will phone around to verify. Don't choose the same airline as you are outbound asd they wil obviously just check their systems.
[QUOTE=Nolz7]Based on my observations, Filipinos are not a tipping culture.[/QUOTE]Yah right. But instead taxi fares jack price by 100% if you are not careful and if challenged, it will be "sir, only few dollars for you."
Thanks WC and KM. Lots of helpful information about NAIA taxis.
[QUOTE=GregLondon]
The guy in the queue before me had a big bag weighing 27 kg and no return/onward ticket. They made him pay 12*350 Bhat = 4900 Bhat excess luggage - he also said they said only a mx of 20kg in the bad so he had to find a box for the other 7 kg- never heard that before. He also had to go away and pay 6000P for a return flight. ie a total of about 13,000P extra (I presume he wanted to keep his options open e the return.
Pretty scandalous. I didn't have a return ticket either but having been through it before knew that the minimum evidence they needed was a Valid Flight Number. I almost got caught out though as I had noted a Philipines Airlines flight no on my laptop. Sadly the battery was flat so they wre about to cal Phil Airlines and check my fictitious booking. I dashed away and eventually found an electric power point and got hold of the flight no which was sufficient to let me on. I put as much heavy stuff in my carry on backpack (which i wore to not give them a chance to weigh (supposed to be max 7 kg) and my laptop bag, so i got under 16kg (they insist on charging even if yiu are 1kg over.
[/QUOTE]
GL
I use CP a lot and they can be very strict on kilos as this is how the airling makes its cash. I have never heard of the 20kg limit per bag (maybe for international routes?) as I have far more in my bags. I also pre-pay the excess if I know I have and that to a degree helps
I did once at Cebu question the scales used as when I checked in the Middle East I had 40kgs but when I checked the same bags into CP (a few hours after arriving and not opening the bags) I was 44kgs :p...After much discussion and some argument they waived the additional fees
Still a nice airline IMHO
I'm planning my next trip and would like to stay about 25 days or so which would take me over the 21 days so I would have to extend once I'm there. Doing so seems like a pretty straight forward process from what I've read. Can I assume that I won't have any issues from the airlines or from immigration if I book my ticket for longer than 21 days and just say that I will extend once I am in PI?
[QUOTE=Toronto]Can I assume that I won't have any issues from the airlines or from immigration if I book my ticket for longer than 21 days and just say that I will extend once I am in PI?[/QUOTE]
Yes you are correct. You can extend upon landing. Before you pass through immigration, go to the office on the left.
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger] I have never heard of the 20kg limit per bag (maybe for international routes?) Still a nice airline IMHO[/QUOTE]
On principle airlines do not allow more than 30 kg (regasrdless of the individual allowance one has) for the simple reason it is a safety precaution for labour, ie not to lift too heavy bags.
Then each one has its own rules in terms of max allowance linked to unit weight of the bag.
I know of a case of couple flying on Ryan Air (allowance is 15kg each passenger), having 1 bag (only) of 19kg (so below the 15+15 allowance for the two of them.
Well the airline charged the 4 kg extra to the passenger with his 19kg bag... (and of course the comopanion did have zero kg checked in!).
If I decide to stay more then 21 days I always take a side trip to Thailand for few days then back to Phils for more time there. Instead of going thru the trouble of stopping at Immigration on entry and paying fee then.
Sorry for the silly question but are you saying that the visa upon entering the Phils is for 21 days only.
[QUOTE=Mackin]Sorry for the silly question but are you saying that the visa upon entering the Phils is for 21 days only.[/QUOTE]
Mackin, the VOA (Visa On Arrival) is good for 21 days only. If your itinerary shows you staying longer, you will need to get an extension (to 59 days) once you are in-country. Also, prior to your departure, you can apply for a longer visa thru the Filipine Embassy in your country.
[QUOTE=Mattrick]Yes you are correct. You can extend upon landing. Before you pass through immigration, go to the office on the left.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info, I thought I had to go to an office in Manila. So this office is before I walk up to the officer who checks my passport?
[QUOTE=Bionicman]On principle airlines do not allow more than 30 kg (regasrdless of the individual allowance one has) for the simple reason it is a safety precaution for labour, ie not to lift too heavy bags.
Then each one has its own rules in terms of max allowance linked to unit weight of the bag.
I know of a case of couple flying on Ryan Air (allowance is 15kg each passenger), having 1 bag (only) of 19kg (so below the 15+15 allowance for the two of them.
Well the airline charged the 4 kg extra to the passenger with his 19kg bag... (and of course the comopanion did have zero kg checked in!).[/QUOTE]
Yes of course, but Ryan are Nazis when it comes to baggage etc as soon they may charge you for using the toilet on board.....cheap and OK as long as you play by their rules
32 kgs is the max but in USA it is 23 kgs..CPac seems to have odd rules at times but still I enjoy the airline
[QUOTE=GregLondon]Flew BKK to Clark last night with Cebu Pacific. They are VERY STRICT re return /onward tickets and excess baggage.
The guy in the queue before me had a big bag weighing 27 kg and no return/onward ticket. They made him pay 12*350 Bhat = 4900 Bhat excess luggage - he also said they said only a mx of 20kg in the bad so he had to find a box for the other 7 kg- never heard that before. He also had to go away and pay 6000P for a return flight. ie a total of about 13,000P extra (I presume he wanted to keep his options open e the return.
Pretty scandalous. I didn't have a return ticket either but having been through it before knew that the minimum evidence they needed was a Valid Flight Number. I almost got caught out though as I had noted a Philipines Airlines flight no on my laptop. Sadly the battery was flat so they wre about to cal Phil Airlines and check my fictitious booking. I dashed away and eventually found an electric power point and got hold of the flight no which was sufficient to let me on. I put as much heavy stuff in my carry on backpack (which i wore to not give them a chance to weigh (supposed to be max 7 kg) and my laptop bag, so i got under 16kg (they insist on charging even if yiu are 1kg over.
SO IF YOU ARE FLYING IN WITHOUT AN ONWARD TICKET, look up and write down a valid Airline flight no and date/time and have it ready to confidently hand over to them. I suggest an airline not operating from the airport you are departing from to reduce the chance that they will phone around to verify. Don't choose the same airline as you are outbound asd they wil obviously just check their systems.[/QUOTE]
Nice tip GL.
Another tip for the frequent travelers that may have excess baggage: Most domestic airlines have lower limits than international carriers but the domestic airlines do switch over to international carrier regulations if you are connecting with an international carrier in the next 24 hours or just came off of an international carrier within 24 hrs. I go one step further than GL. I just have a fake itinerary emailed to myself (downloaded into my phone) that shows the connection. Make sure it is not too close of a connection on the outbound flight, otherwise the domestic carrier may want to check your bags through to the international destination. :-)
I was searching for info on Beaches and I thank all of you that advised me. I also found a link to this site that has nice overview and the authors idea of top beaches. I found it useful...
[url]http://www.bugbog.com/beaches/philippines_beaches.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Vitrea]I was searching for info on Beaches and I thank all of you that advised me. I also found a link to this site that has nice overview and the authors idea of top beaches. I found it useful...
[url]http://www.bugbog.com/beaches/philippines_beaches.html[/url][/QUOTE]I'm glad they did not identify my favorite spot.
Slippery f/k/a Puerto La Cruz
It seems the Bo I is serious about trying to stop the scams that go in with Immigration deals
Check this out
[url]http://ph.news.yahoo.com/gma/20101205/tph-bi-employees-told-to-stay-off-nearby-d6cd5cf.html[/url]
[QUOTE=GregLondon]Flew BKK to Clark last night with Cebu Pacific. They are VERY STRICT re return /onward tickets and excess baggage.[/QUOTE]If you are a regular traveller, you will know LCCs make money on ancilliary services - which includes on board food sales, excess luggage and all.. not fair blaming them for being stingy - and strict - after all, Low cost - and unless they keep a tight control, their costs will spiral.
Ever remember MOL (RyanAir)'s famous comments when somebody asked for the refund policy ? "Which part of the no fucking refund you don't get it ??? " or something to that extent .. and he went on to rant that if you want full service, then pay much much more and fly full-service carriers ..
And for the hand luggage- that is in a way cheating - well, no comments, but when I was handling ground, I have seen passengers who lamely check in 15 Kg (that was the baggage allowance for the class of ticket we allowed) and the hand luggage was 25 kg and we had to engage security to get the hand luggage ripped off and weighed .. firstly, it eats the 'lcc costs' as undeclared weight spirals to excess fuel burn - no sir, I know it is not much but when 100 passengers sneak in 10 kilo extra plus plus it is just over 1 metric tonne in undeclared weight - and secondly, as I said before - it also affects the staff pay as the pay is a variance of the revenue generated ..
Plus, for US flights, the weight limits are higher, but then again, airlines in US are bleeding whenever a ground handler claims his back was hurt by large bags ..
Cheers- fly safe, play safe - and if you are in the ramp side and if you see how people handle heavy luggage - you will have an eye opening experience.
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]Yes of course, but Ryan are Nazis when it comes to baggage etc as soon they may charge you for using the toilet on board.....cheap and OK as long as you play by their rules
32 kgs is the max but in USA it is 23 kgs..CPac seems to have odd rules at times but still I enjoy the airline[/QUOTE]Some carriers, including PAL, have lowered the baggage allowance for lower cost fair - like 15 KG and skip the meals and you pay much much lesser.
It is a competitive market, and likewise Jetstar / Tiger out of Singapore to Phil, have a fair with 'no checked in luggage.
[QUOTE=GregLondon]Flew BKK to Clark last night with Cebu Pacific. They are VERY STRICT re return /onward tickets
SO IF YOU ARE FLYING IN WITHOUT AN ONWARD TICKET, look up and write down a valid Airline flight no and date/time and have it ready to confidently hand over to them. Don't choose the same airline as you are outbound asd they wil obviously just check their systems.[/QUOTE]
Philippine is the only country around SE Asia in which the airline employee at the host country will ask for an itinerary on your return ticket. They said that immigration will demand a return ticket. This is probably false. I have never seen immigration ask anyone for a return ticket. But then I hardly ever see any Africans in the Phillipines.
You can used an old itinerary and modify it.
I never knew you can just jot down the flight number and times and show it to them. Hmm, it works? Never tried it.
[QUOTE=GreenBud]Philippine is the only country around SE Asia in which the airline employee at the host country will ask for an itinerary on your return ticket. They said that immigration will demand a return ticket. This is probably false. I have never seen immigration ask anyone for a return ticket. But then I hardly ever see any Africans in the Phillipines.
You can used an old itinerary and modify it.
I never knew you can just jot down the flight number and times and show it to them. Hmm, it works? Never tried it.[/QUOTE]
Yes it works, I've done it twice. But 1 Look up a real flight number, 2 use an airline not represented at the airport you are travelling from (or whose flights will have left by the time you check in). 3 Be confident, they will ask fro a print out, say you didnt have a print out but you noted the Flight number and time. All they need is the sinfgle fligt out of the Phils, though if you come up with a whole itinery Airline x manila to YY Airline y YY to hiome etc that just adds to your plausibility.
At the main ingoing airports they never ask about your return flights, however i once flew Guangzhou to Laoag where I was the only non Chinese on the flight and everyone else was ona two day jaunt to the Casino. Im migration interrogated me for an hour trying to intimidate me into buying a ticket or paying a bribe. My story was that my RTW ticket scheduled BKK to Lon was flexible and i could change it to manila- London. Eventually they said OK but by that stage all the taxis had left so the immigation guy put his gun away and drove me to town himself - refused any payment. The secret is always to maintain an affable cool.
[QUOTE=GreenBud]Philippine is the only country around SE Asia in which the airline employee at the host country will ask for an itinerary on your return ticket. They said that immigration will demand a return ticket. This is probably false. I have never seen immigration ask anyone for a return ticket. But then I hardly ever see any Africans in the Phillipines.[/QUOTE]You got to get your facts right. Even to US/UK, or anywhere, any passenger arriving MUST PRODUCE PROOF OF RETURN, unless he or she is on a long term residency.
Maybe you haven't seen the world. In some countries, specific nationalities are the flavor of the day. Example: Malaysians pick on south asians and africans generally, Filipinos pick on pretty much everybody, Singapore picks on girls from ASEAN countries, Thais tend to pick on anybody African looking. Indonesia- pretty much anybody who seem to have a wad of money, and on and on.
Oh, most of the time the common response is 'such nationalities are known to not honoring the visa and tend to overstay. '
And do you know what happens when the immigration refuses entry to the passenger who is returned at the arriving airport? The carrier that brought the guy into the country has to fly the guy back FOC. If he doesn't have a return ticket. If he or she has a return, it is less of a headache for them.
That is international law mate.
Don't blame Philippines. It is the international law, and if a country is being extra careful just because of past experience. Unless you are God' Gift to Mankind or have been having your way all the time.
Cheers. No offence by the way.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]Some carriers, including PAL, have lowered the baggage allowance for lower cost fair - like 15 KG and skip the meals and you pay much much lesser.
It is a competitive market, and likewise Jetstar / Tiger out of Singapore to Phil, have a fair with 'no checked in luggage.[/QUOTE]
When travelling on holiday I never ever have check in luggage, so I use Jetstar's 'Lite' option if I am travelling with them. The warning is that they almost always check the weight of the carry on luggage at check in to ensure it is 7kg or less.
[QUOTE=GregLondon]Yes it works, I've done it twice. But 1 Look up a real flight number, 2 use an airline not represented at the airport you are travelling from (or whose flights will have left by the time you check in). 3 Be confident, they will ask fro a print out, say you didnt have a print out but you noted the Flight number and time. All they need is the sinfgle fligt out of the Phils, though if you come up with a whole itinery Airline x manila to YY Airline y YY to hiome etc that just adds to your plausibility.....[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, the more that you guys talk here about making your own fraudulent tickets then the greater likelihood it is that someone is going to read about it and tip off the Phil authorities who are then going to start randomly (or otherwise) checking the tickets to see if they are real.
I cannot see why you don't just book an open return ticket when you make your in-bound booking. I wouldn't like to be caught as a fraudster and then have a red flag against your passport number for travel to anywhere else in the world.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]Unfortunately, the more that you guys talk here about making your own fraudulent tickets then the greater likelihood it is that someone is going to read about it and tip off the Phil authorities who are then going to start randomly (or otherwise) checking the tickets to see if they are real.
I cannot see why you don't just book an open return ticket when you make your in-bound booking. I wouldn't like to be caught as a fraudster and then have a red flag against your passport number for travel to anywhere else in the world.[/QUOTE]As if the immigration guys don't know.
Try an asian country where the immigration has setup direct access to the 4 large GDS, and if they see any e-ticket that looks odd, while the guy is talking to you, in his keyboard he has messaged a colleague to look up the PNR, and if the PNR was a booked and voided PNR, the immigration will be more smiles and just stamp your passport with A-to-A (return to sender) or 7 Days and W6 (7 day stay, and 6 months no entry after that.) and you walk off smiling and when you go to renew the visa you are in for a hell of a shock.
As for Phil authority, yes, they are doing it with people leaving, especially those who make fake return iitins with 7 days, and then cancel the return segment, and keep the outgoing segment, so they can stay in Singapore / Malaysia for 90 days max, and PH Immigration will hold and call the airline and check the segments. And no, they are not out to take a bribe, but to keep the numbers on the anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] drive go good.
Me. I been repeating. Why risk it all over a hundred dollar throw-away ticket.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]Unfortunately, the more that you guys talk here about making your own fraudulent tickets then the greater likelihood it is that someone is going to read about it and tip off the Phil authorities who are then going to start randomly (or otherwise) checking the tickets to see if they are real.
I cannot see why you don't just book an open return ticket when you make your in-bound booking. I wouldn't like to be caught as a fraudster and then have a red flag against your passport number for travel to anywhere else in the world.[/QUOTE]
Open return tickets are often more expensive than a fixed schedule.
Often a good price is for a max no. of days.
The 'open' ticket is most likely the most expensive fare or so.
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]Yes of course, but Ryan are Nazis when it comes to baggage etc as soon they may charge you for using the toilet on board.....cheap and OK as long as you play by their rules
32 kgs is the max but in USA it is 23 kgs..CPac seems to have odd rules at times but still I enjoy the airline[/QUOTE]
Ryan is out of my books!
I had to fly with them twice as sort of forced to and that was enough eye opener.
Not my cup of tea, but each one his own...of course
[QUOTE=GreenBud]They said that immigration will demand a return ticket. This is probably false. I have never seen immigration ask anyone for a return ticket. [/QUOTE]
Happened to my in Macau last year: immigration officer asked for the proof of return I had the itinerary printed in my language (and of course he did not understand a word) so after some light discussion he let me go.
I mean, over there they are trying to attract tourists and visitors, see a westerner and think he wants to be an illegal immigrant?
Was wondering what was the agenda of that guy...
He should leave that procedure to U.S. "border protection".... :)
[QUOTE=Bionicman]Open return tickets are often more expensive than a fixed schedule.
Often a good price is for a max no. of days.
The 'open' ticket is most likely the most expensive fare or so.[/QUOTE]
Deliberately flaunting the law might end up being way more expensive anyway.
I am just telling it how I read it - there are plenty of cowboys here who want to push all the limits as far as they can and when their stunt works they have to get on here and brag about it.
It is not the way I prefer to operate but I guess ISG is for sharing, whether the stunts are legal or otherwise.
[QUOTE=Bionicman]Happened to my in Macau last year: immigration officer asked for the proof of return I had the itinerary printed in my language (and of course he did not understand a word) so after some light discussion he let me go.
I mean, over there they are trying to attract tourists and visitors, see a westerner and think he wants to be an illegal immigrant?
Was wondering what was the agenda of that guy.
He should leave that procedure to USA "border protection".[/QUOTE]It's not about illegal immigrants mate. There are enough europeans and americans who flaunt the law, and work illegally. In Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore and Indonesia, on Social visit pass, doing visa runs every month or so. Until they get stopped and made persona-non-grata or warned to get a proper work visa + pay taxes..
Compared to those days of non-LCCs, LCCs have opened up a lot of options to get 'cheap tickets' and nobody questions you for not using a cheap ticket. In fact, that's another revenue stream for LCCs. They charge you 1$ for the ticket, and 50$ for the airport tax, which they never pay the airport unless you walk in and when you don't. Hey, they are more than happy, and release the 'chance' tickets to others who pay more to fly. Now everyone can Fly.
[QUOTE=GreenBud]
You can used an old itinerary and modify it.[/QUOTE]
Bingo. That is how I do it. It looks totally legit.
[QUOTE=GreenBud]I never knew you can just jot down the flight number and times and show it to them. Hmm, it works? Never tried it.[/QUOTE]
Actually this is how it works in the west. For years I did this for legit connections in the west (where I buy two tickets on two different carriers if that is cheaper) and no one ever asked me for the itinerary. Agents in Asia are more skeptical. Once, A kid behind the counter in an asian country demanded to see one. It took me 5 minutes to make one on my phone. He was happy.
Someone on this forum said they are worried that Philippine agents are going to start checking. I guarantee you that no one will ever take the time to check. They have zero incentive to do that. If you come across under confident and look like you just committed a major crime, they may not buy your story and not accept it but they will not check. Even if they check, so what?
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]It is not the way I prefer to operate but I guess ISG is for sharing, whether the stunts are legal or otherwise.[/QUOTE]
Where is your sense of adventure!? If you want to be Mr. 'Legal Beagle' and conduct your life by the book that's fine and dandy but don't rain on peoples' parade! It's not like they are going to overstay their visas! :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]Deliberately flaunting the law might end up being way more expensive anyway.
I am just telling it how I read it - there are plenty of cowboys here who want to push all the limits as far as they can and when their stunt works they have to get on here and brag about it.
It is not the way I prefer to operate but I guess ISG is for sharing, whether the stunts are legal or otherwise.[/QUOTE]
RK this is one of those stupid technicalities. The PI immigration don't give a monkey's whether you have a return / open ticket or not which is why in the main entry airports they "never" ask about it. The problem has occured because someone has sent a note to the airlines saying that if someone is denied entry to the Phils and then sent back the airline will be fined i think 50,000 B therefore the airlines have to go through the motions of checking the return /onward ticket issue.
The return ticket legislation is there because someone was worried about economic migration - probably from the days that RP was relatively prosperous compared with the rest of SEA. It's not there to designed to hamper its tourist industry. A typical tourist spending say $100 a day is supporting at least 5 Philippine jobs during the time he spends here.
The very worst that is going to happen to you is that you are going to be forced to get on line and actually buy a return ticket.
Of course if you a businessman running a fixed itinerary or someone ona 2 week vacation its no problem as you almost certainly wil buy a return ticket in any case because on regular airlines RT is 80-90% of the one way price.
If you are flying around asia on budget airlines however its a major hassle. I have no idea how long I will stay in the Phils or where i will feel like flying to next so for me its a significant expense and would be a material deterrent from visiting Phils and not just overlanding through SEA to other countries.
You are probably right that i would be smart to shut up rather than pass useful tips to others, but I felt rather sorry for the guy in the queue before me having to shell out 6000B unnecessarily.
[QUOTE=Rubberyman]When travelling on holiday I never ever have check in luggage, so I use Jetstar's 'Lite' option if I am travelling with them. The warning is that they almost always check the weight of the carry on luggage at check in to ensure it is 7kg or less.[/QUOTE]7Kgs is all you get?. Damn I think my hand carry case is more than that LOL
During a recent flight (OK I was relocating and wanted to keep all my valuables with me,) I had 3 carry on bags and checked in 55kgs. OK I was on a superior Asian airline and am in their premium programme, and they just smiled and said have a nice flight. I liked THAT!
[QUOTE=GregLondon]A typical tourist spending say $100 a day is supporting at least 5 Philippine jobs during the time he spends here.
The very worst that is going to happen to you is that you are going to be forced to get on line and actually buy a return ticket.[/QUOTE]Too bad to rain on your parade, but. Let me put it mildly. I lived and moved around Asia for the past 10 years plus, and most immigration guys don't give a rat's ass as to how much of your money is going into the economy.
They too have targets to catch suspects, and no sir, I am not kidding. They will more than go the extra mile to ensure they literally hang a few foreigners, and especially when they have 'suspected' they will loose face if they retreat.
And, no sir, the worst thing is not making you buy a ticket. But getting deported. Well, I know you have been lucky and always have the aura that permeates everything and get royal treatment. Go for it mate.
Nah, I almost got myself a new one ripped, for stepping into Malaysia. For a lesser crime. Namely not having enough RM in my pocket, and that day being a slow day, the immigration officer decided to pull out the rule book and point to me that "FOREIGNERS MUST PRODUCE SUFFICIENT TOURIST SPENDING MONEY" and despite my residency status in Singapore being generally assumed as sufficient, and all my credit cards, probably the last thing the Immigration Guy wanted is loosing face. So he said "About turn, go and withdraw more money and come back, and no- I am not asking for a bribe. " and with that he wrote a note saying he has refused entry for insufficient spending money.
I U-turned the car back to Singapore, crossed, took out 300 S$ and went back to JB and it was the same guy who attended to me looked at me, smiled and said "show me the money" and he just saw me counting and he smiled and said "There you go sir, next time, don't challenge Immigration staff, we don't give a rat's ass as to how much you are worth. But rules are rules" (he was not after bribe and he didn't even touch my money, he only asked me to produce proof. And only later did I find out from other Malaysian Immigration staff, during one of my contracts there, that such 'detection' goes into their performance for being diligent in their job.)
Ever since, I don't like to take the fast lane and see what comes.
I'd rather take a sedate road. And just being a humble joe.
And all that talk of "BE FIRM, DON"T GIVE IN" may work for some, but not all. I have seen guys in even Silky Clean Singapore challenging immigration officers and the officers just smile and say "step away sir, Our officer would like to interview you. " and more than once, while waiting for some friends arriving in Singapore, I saw guys being sent to the 'cool' room and they were let out with no excuse after 2 hours or so.
The most funniest was I was entering Singapore with a carton of Cigerettes, and Singapore doesn't allow even a single pack of duty unpaid cigeratte and in the random scan I was caught, and while the officer was about to launch into a lecture of being a resident and knowing the law, the guy behind me was checked by another officer and he had just a single pack of smokes, and when asked. He started to challenge the officer. The officer who was handling me turned to me and said "drop your carton into the rubbish and walk out, I have something more interesting to do. " and while I walked out. I saw the guy who challenged the officer being held while I was waiting for another friend arriving about the same time. And last I saw. A couple of Men in Blue turned up and escorted him off. I was told the fine for a single packet of duty unpaid cigerette is just upto 300$ plus plus. Or jail in lieu. The guy sounded Aussie, nah. The Singapore Customs didn't bother.
Cheers
interested if anyone has experience changing other currencies beside usd at manila airport.
i have indonesian rupiah, chinese yuan and indian rupees.
anyone changed these currencies into pesos at the airport?
i realise the rate will be a bit lower.
would it be better to chage these at angeles or even malate?
thanks in advance,
lush
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]As if the immigration guys don't know.
Me. I been repeating. Why risk it all over a hundred dollar throw-away ticket.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and it does not have to be that expensive. All you need is a ticket out of the country to anywhere. A cheap as chips ticket to Sin or Kul on a low cost carrier will do it.
The other thing that has me scratching my head about this is how many people are really affected by this? Surely most of us would have a return ticket anyway? I am often amazed by people paying 500p (and over!) in tips for their barfines, which might add up to 3500P ($80) in a week. Presumably someone wanting to stay a week or less would have a return ticket anyway, and it is therefore those staying longer would spend multiples of that $80 in unnecessary tips - yet groan and grumble and risk a hassle at the airport for possibly much less.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan]7Kgs is all you get?. Damn I think my hand carry case is more than that LOL
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I am sure that they figure people using the no checked luggage option will be sailing close to the weight limit for cabin baggage. So they check those bags carefully because even if you are only a bit over, they can make you check the bag, and then charge you the healthy extra (I think with Jetstar, it is even more than the original difference between the 'Light' fare and standard).
Whereas with someone with checked luggage, if they get all Nazi about the cabin bag, you can waste time at the check in by opening your to be checked luggage and putting something from the cabin bag into it. They don't want that sort of farting round which gains them no $$$$.
i can't believe how much flak i've generated from what i foolishly imagined
would be taken as some very helpful advice for a few guys who are not flying on rt tickets.
the key facts are:
1 the airlines (at least cebu pacific) and i suspect all airlines are going to ask you for evidence of a rt/onward ticket before they let you board the plane.
2 in my experience the only rp airport where immigration also has a policy of asking to see such evidence is laoag (as of 9 years ago). i've flown into manilia, cebu and clark and have never been asked to show a ticket nor have i spoken to anyone else who has, nor has anyone on this forum come forward and said, "they asked me to show an onward ticket when i arrived at one of these airports." that's not to say that they would never ask anyone, i suspect that if you are travelling on an afghan or somali passport etc you may well get asked. moreover the immigration officer at laoag himself told me, yes they don't ask at the big airports, but things are different here.
how you want to deal with this is up to you. clearly for many it's not an issue as you will have bought a rt ticket in any case. for those of us without a fixed itinerary one option is to buy a eticket with an online airline and then tell them your flight number. this is likely to cost $200 but cebu pacific does have a change booking option (for a few thousand p) so that if you at least know that you will fly out on cp this money may not be completely wasted. a second option is to tell them that you have bought an eticket and tell them the flight number. this second option involves telling a lie, so if your moral scruples prevent you from telling a lie, you better pay up. (and i know what fine upstanding, never tell a porkie, pillars of the community we have in this forum)
what is the downside to option 2? if cp don't believe you they won't let you on the plane until you actually do go and buy the ticket, in which case you will be in the same position as option 1. they are not going to call the police, mark your passport etc etc, they will just give you the choice of missing your flight or really buying a rt/onward.
what's going to happen at the airport in rp? as i said the only airport where i have ever been asked for an onward ticket was laoag which at that time 9 years ago was only connected internationally by flights from china issuing paper tickets. at the other airports i've never been asked. has anyone else recently been asked?? this is probably because they get many flights in from eticket airlines so how can immigration check your story that you have an eticket on xyz? are they going to spend 30 minutes phoning up different airlines to ask about bookings for each of 200 arriving passengers arriving on a cp flight? no they are going to rely on cp to have done that work for them before departure because at least the check in staff have access to their reservation system and the vast majority of customers will be flying back on the same airline.
in the in my view extremely unlikely event that (a) they ask and (b) they try to verify your answer, my experience in laoag was that they would try to make you buy a rt flight.
i absolutely agree with econo tech that the majority of immigration staff take a rules is rules approach unlikely to be swayed by points re the national economic self interest. i have traveled extensively - around 80 countries - and had plenty of run ins with immigration over various issues, and again agree with et that it is disastrous in such circumstances to get at all confrontational or in any way disrespectful. in my experience it is best to maintain a disposition of cheerful, respectful absent mindedness. as et said these guys are generally highly officious and take themselves very seriously. i know of one guy who when stopped by kenyan immigration leaving the country was asked to hand over the approx $10 worth of kenyan currency he had on him (in the days where taking currency out of the country was not allowed.) after an increasingly hostile argument where the guy basically said words to the effect fuck you i know you are just going to pocket it took out his lighter and burned it in front of them. he was sentenced to 10 years in a kenyan jail for defacing the currency but never did get out, dieing of hiv/aids after being repeatedly gang raped. my gf at the time was responsible for monitoring east africa for an arm of the british government which is how i come to know about the story. being a "nobody" without connections to the media/journalists etc there was no campaign on his behalf to get him out and the uk government policy at the time was one of sucking up to arap moi for various reasons so they didn't want to apply any pressure.
[QUOTE=GregLondon]I can't believe how much flak I've generated from what I foolishly imagined would be taken as some very helpful advice for a few guys who are not flying on RT tickets.
The key facts are:
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You have too much free time GL. Why are you so defensive of a point of view that is pretty irrelevant to most of us?
All of your points are speculative and are purely your own opinion as to what might or might not happen.
For those of us who don't want to flaunt with breaking various travel requirements, we will do as we always have and buy return tickets.
If other guys want to follow your advice, then so be it.
BTW, to Mattrick and others: I have NEVER lectured anybody here, and I can't "rain on other guy's parades" unless they allow me. I always give my own opinion and leave it to others to decide whether it is good advice or otherwise. I am as adventurous as the next guy but not in things that have a possibility of coming back to bite me if it doesn't go according to plan. The world is already spooked enough without me adding unnecessarily to it all by drawing attention to myself in any immigration/customs activity.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]You have too much free time GL. Why are you so defensive of a point of view that is pretty irrelevant to most of us?
All of your points are speculative and are purely your own opinion as to what might or might not happen.
For those of us who don't want to flaunt with breaking various travel requirements, we will do as we always have and buy return tickets.
If other guys want to follow your advice, then so be it.
BTW, to Mattrick and others: I have NEVER lectured anybody here, and I can't "rain on other guy's parades" unless they allow me. I always give my own opinion and leave it to others to decide whether it is good advice or otherwise. I am as adventurous as the next guy but not in things that have a possibility of coming back to bite me if it doesn't go according to plan. The world is already spooked enough without me adding unnecessarily to it all by drawing attention to myself in any immigration/customs activity.[/QUOTE]
I am fully aware, as I have made clear several times over that this is not relevant for most people who live pretty organised lives where they know which country they will want to be in over the next few months and therefore can most sensibly and cheaply book return /onward flights. However not everyone lives that kind of lifestyle and some of us prefer to have the flexibility to go where we want, when we want according to who we meet and where we feel like going. That's my situation and why for me this rule is a completely unnecessary and pointless donation of $250 to an airline. Am I the only person in this situation? No - the bloke I was standing behind in the check in queue was in the same situation and he ended up shelling out $250 because he didn't know how the system works.
Since when has there been a rule on this forum that any tips /advice offered has to be relevant to the majority of readers? I suspect that our American cousins and indeed most non Aussies/Englishmen have little or no interest in the extraordinary events being played out at Adelaide but this has not stopped (nor would I want it to) you and others exchanging thoughts on the matter.
Yes all of my points are my point of view on the basis of my experience. I have made it unusually clear what that experience was so that anyone in this situation can make their own decision as to how to deal with the issue. How does this differ from 99% of other posts in this forum which are almost inevitably the writer's opinion/point of view based on his experience?
[QUOTE=GregLondon].....................
Since when has there been a rule on this forum that any tips /advice offered has to be relevant to the majority of readers? I suspect that our American cousins and indeed most non Aussies/Englishmen have little or no interest in the extraordinary events being played out at Adelaide but this has not stopped (nor would I want it to) you and others exchanging thoughts on the matter...........................[/QUOTE]
Hey Greg I didn't make any reference to any "rule". I agree - there isn't one. If I read something not relevant to me I just (usually) click on by.
I generally find much of what you contribute here to be relevant and worthwhile, and I hope I can buy you an espresso doppio or something weaker next time you pass through Manila.
I will shut up now and turn my attention to that one thing that interests 100% of guys on the board - guess what?
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]I will shut up now and turn my attention to that one thing that interests 100% of guys on the board - guess what?[/QUOTE]I give up.
Is it Cebu Hotels or How to produce more rice?
money changers at manila airport
interested if anyone has experience changing other currencies beside usd at manila airport.
i have indonesian rupiah, chinese yuan and indian rupees.
anyone changed these currencies into pesos at the airport?
i realise the rate will be a bit lower.
would it be better to chage these at angeles or even malate?
thanks in advance,
lush
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]
I will shut up now and turn my attention to that one thing that interests 100% of guys on the board - guess what?[/QUOTE]
Cricket RK ?? :D:D...well there are long straight wooden things and balls...
Or a peach...I know what you would prefer most (and for Christmans ;))
[quote=lushington]interested if anyone has experience changing other currencies beside usd at manila airport.
i have indonesian rupiah, chinese yuan and indian rupees.
anyone changed these currencies into pesos at the airport?
i realise the rate will be a bit lower.
would it be better to chage these at angeles or even malate?
thanks in advance,
lush[/quote]
well, i don't think you will get exchange for exotic currencies in manila...i have not seen indian rupees for sure..cos im from there...and tried to get some change...however, if you are going to hong kong...you will get all the above currencies.
also, contrary to what folks would think...the best exchange you will get is in manila airport...so get them there, rather than waiting to go to hkg or sin or bkk and thinking you will get better change there..i made the mistake and paid heavily for the mistake at hong kong airport..good luck
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]
The most funniest was I was entering Singapore with a carton of Cigerettes, and Singapore doesn't allow even a single pack of duty unpaid cigeratte and in the random scan I was caught, and while the officer was about to launch into a lecture of being a resident and knowing the law, the guy behind me was checked by another officer and he had just a single pack of smokes, and when asked. He started to challenge the officer. The officer who was handling me turned to me and said "drop your carton into the rubbish and walk out, I have something more interesting to do. " and while I walked out. I saw the guy who challenged the officer being held while I was waiting for another friend arriving about the same time. And last I saw. A couple of Men in Blue turned up and escorted him off. I was told the fine for a single packet of duty unpaid cigerette is just upto 300$ plus plus. Or jail in lieu. The guy sounded Aussie, nah. The Singapore Customs didn't bother.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
I agree with the Singapore immigration thing...i had personal experience with it...never mess with these folks..they are very serious in what they do...they took away two bottles of chivas from me, just because it was not packed according to their standard..i was coming from Cebu....i told them that i will re-pack it...but they did not budge..i tried to argue a bit..as did not wanted to loose that much, but they started preparing some slips..sensing danger...i smiled and apologized for the mistake and let them have it.... got in flight on time...
As you can see, the mistake was not mine.. apparently..after researching online...they do not accept any duty free liquid items from Cebu airports as it is not recognized by Singapore customs for safety etc...not sure about the rules now...but be careful
[QUOTE=Starchild2012]I agree with the Singapore immigration thing. I had personal experience with it. Never mess with these folks. They are very serious in what they do. They took away two bottles of chivas from me, just because it was not packed according to their standard. I was coming from Cebu. I told them that I will re-pack it. But they did not budge. I tried to argue a bit. As did not wanted to loose that much, but they started preparing some slips. Sensing danger. I smiled and apologized for the mistake and let them have it. Got in flight on time.[/QUOTE]They are a case of officialdom gone mad.
At the entrance to the Singapore immigration departure a while ago my Indonesian gf and me had a long farewell smooch at the gate. Theres a sign that says " don't cross the yellow line" well we smooched and hugged and crossed the yellow line before the entrance doors to immigration and passport control.
So the officious idiotic rulecentric Singaporean Immigration jerk in his little spiffy uniform said " Stop now! If you cross the yellow line again you will be arrested" This is just a line painted on the floor, before the doors that go to Immigration. No one is violoting any inportant or high security space before or after the said yellow line.
Except this jerk who's job it was to "man" the yellow line"
Singaporeans have very little sense of humour, little sense of the outside world, and a cockeyed view of the world that says the centre of the world starts at Changi.
And after 5. 5 years in Malaysia and 50 trips to Singapore yes, I know my subject matter quite well. You Singaporeans in the wider world know exactly what I'm taking about. Especially all of you who have emigrated to more relaxed environments.
regarding money exchange in manila airport.
i will fly into manila airport then fly right out 3 hours later to palawan.
should i exchange my money at the airport or wait til i get to puerto princessa?
tw
[quote=lushington; 1100748]money changers at manila airport
interested if anyone has experience changing other currencies beside usd at manila airport.
i have indonesian rupiah, chinese yuan and indian rupees.
anyone changed these currencies into pesos at the airport?
i realise the rate will be a bit lower.
would it be better to chage these at angeles or even malate?
thanks in advance,
lush[/quote]
[quote=starchild2012; 1100780]well, i don't think you will get exchange for exotic currencies in manila. i have not seen indian rupees for sure. because i'm from there. and tried to get some change. however, if you are going to hong kong. you will get all the above currencies.
also, contrary to what folks would think. the best exchange you will get is in manila airport. so get them there, rather than waiting to go to hkg or sin or bkk and thinking you will get better change there. i made the mistake and paid heavily for the mistake at hong kong airport. good luck[/quote]thanks for the heads up starchild! appreciate it!
[QUOTE=Tally Wacker; 1100809]Regarding money exchange in Manila airport.
I will fly into Manila airport then fly right out 3 hours later to Palawan.
Should I exchange my money at the airport or wait til I get to puerto Princessa?
TW[/QUOTE]I have been to PP but did'nt try changing any money there. But I would change your money at Manila airport considering you are going to a small city like PP.
I really enjoyed the food and sights at PP. Especially the Underground River.
Have fun TW!
[quote=starchild2012; 1100781]i agree with the singapore immigration thing. i had personal experience with it. never mess with these folks. they are very serious in what they do. they took away two bottles of chivas from me, just because it was not packed according to their standard. i was coming from cebu. i told them that i will re-pack it. but they did not budge. i tried to argue a bit. as did not wanted to loose that much, but they started preparing some slips. sensing danger. i smiled and apologized for the mistake and let them have it. got in flight on time.
as you can see, the mistake was not mine. apparently. after researching online. they do not accept any duty free liquid items from cebu airports as it is not recognized by singapore customs for safety etc. not sure about the rules now. but be careful[/quote]mate, that's a bit odd, as living here for a long time, never had any stern immigration guy, and if you read my posting, they do have a fun way of life. like letting me off with a carton of cigs, and holding a guy with a pack just because he was trying to prove something.
as for chivas, no- it is not about packing. you can only carry 1 liter of liquor. end of story. nothing to do with how it is packed.
and safety is not the area of customs. that is the area of the airport aviation security force.
after all, while a lot complain about singapore, do we have the problems of drugs, robberies, murders, random hits, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url]? and that is something that only singapore can offer
as comparing malaysia generally, it all depends on whom you have faced. i have had crackpot immigration guys in malaysia just pull me off the line just because they like it.
as for "do not cross the line" it is taken seriously, because of simply there is ample space in the airport to do your kissing, and bye byes, and add to it. singapore has the busiest airport in the region with a lot of transit pax. they had be in control, as when there is a rule. why break it?
damn. some people have fun only pushing their luck and then blaming that it is the fault of the security guy. .
cheers,
let's get back to the subject. now.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1100796]So the officious idiotic rulecentric Singaporean Immigration jerk in his little spiffy uniform said " Stop now! If you cross the yellow line again you will be arrested" This is just a line painted on the floor, before the doors that go to Immigration. No one is violoting any inportant or high security space before or after the said yellow line.[/QUOTE]PSSST. The guy who does that is not immigration. He is a private security police. Next time look at his badge. It will say CISCO Auxiliary police. No sir, not immigration.
[QUOTE=Tally Wacker; 1100809]Regarding money exchange in Manila airport.
I will fly into Manila airport then fly right out 3 hours later to Palawan.
Should I exchange my money at the airport or wait til I get to puerto Princessa?
TW[/QUOTE]Better to change in PP, as, from my experience, the money changer at the mall there opens a bit late.
And if it is your first time to PP, you will know life there is on a pretty slow lane. Sloooww lane.
Those of you familiar with the Phils cell phone system will be aware that most locals inc most of the girls sign up to various daily / weekly or monthly promos which give them either a fixed number of calls / texts for a certain charge or unlimited calls / texting for a higher charge. If you end up doing alot of texting / calling which is likely if you are dating girls from the dating sites these can save a few dollars a day compared with the normal charges.
Most of the plans are for intra network calls Smart / Talk and Text (smarts budget conscious brand) is the most popular network though a little more expensive. Sun is the up and coming network and is especially popular amongst young city girls as its the cheapest and most of their mates will probably be sun users. Globe / TM is now the third largest network. For newbies if you have a single SIM phone I would go for a talk N Text SIM, if you have dual SIM phone (Samsung and Nokia now offer budget dual sim models which the China phones have offered for some time, but China phones have notoriously bad build quality and battery life) , I would suggest TNT and SUN.
The promos work by texting various codes to specific network numbers. The because change their promos with monotonous regularity so keeping up with the latest deals can be tricky.
Help is at hand though from this site.
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Which is well worth book marking.
It also explains what you need to do to passload, ie transfer some of your load to your honey so she has load to contact you.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1100833]As for Chivas, no- it is not about packing. You can only carry 1 Liter of Liquor. End of story. Nothing to do with how it is packed.
[/QUOTE]Yeah, It could be that. Thanks for the info.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech;1100834]PSSST. The guy who does that is not immigration. He is a private security police. Next time look at his badge. It will say CISCO Auxiliary police. No sir, not immigration.[/QUOTE]Wasn't particularly interested to look at his badge. He was an officious prat like character, regardless of whether he is actually Immigration or not. I couldn't imagine more nauseous obnoxious officious "I'm in charge and your not " want to be soldier type who represented his country in a very bad way. He probably wonders why the world laughs at Singaporeans.
What commodities do you guys like to take back to your country from Phil either because its cheaper or you can't find it where you live. Other than sexy filipinas.
On my last trip to Phil I brought back a few bags of coffee but the prices seemed about the same as in the states for imported coffee.
When I used to travel to Venezuela I would bring back Coffee, Rum, Olive Oil and Cuban Cigars for a few friends.
[QUOTE=Tally Wacker; 1101249]What commodities do you guys like to take back to your country from Phil either because its cheaper or you can't find it where you live. Other than sexy filipinas.
On my last trip to Phil I brought back a few bags of coffee but the prices seemed about the same as in the states for imported coffee.
When I used to travel to Venezuela I would bring back Coffee, Rum, Olive Oil and Cuban Cigars for a few friends. [/QUOTE]Dreid mangoes, but them in Cebu loats of apcks to last until my next trip.
One thing I would never bring back is danggit. Or any other form of dried smelly fish. GF of a mate took 3kgs on the plane at Cebu airport and Cebu Pacific made her buy a sealed container before she could carry it on board despite it being vacuum packed and well wrapped.
Also never want to bring back the clap and STDs either.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1101242]Wasn't particularly interested to look at his badge. He was an officious prat like character, regardless of whether he is actually Immigration or not. I couldn't imagine more nauseous obnoxious officious "I'm in charge and your not " want to be soldier type who represented his country in a very bad way. He probably wonders why the world laughs at Singaporeans.[/QUOTE]Am just curious. I am not a Singaporean, and just residing between Singapore and Malaysia. Why does the world laugh at Singapore? :confused: :confused:
Sorry if this sounds off-thread.
Then again, if you say anybody in the airport is an immigration officer. No comments sir.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1101454]Am just curious. I am not a Singaporean, and just residing between Singapore and Malaysia. Why does the world laugh at Singapore? :confused: :confused:
Sorry if this sounds off-thread.
Then again, if you say anybody in the airport is an immigration officer. No comments sir. [/QUOTE]I wasn't aware that they did? Certainly they are fools if they do, given that Singapore blessed with zero natural resources has transformed itself from a strategic swamp to richer than all European countries (except maybe Lichtenstein)
[QUOTE=GregLondon;1101534]I wasn't aware that they did? Certainly they are fools if they do, given that Singapore blessed with zero natural resources has transformed itself from a strategic swamp to richer than all European countries (except maybe Lichtenstein)[/QUOTE]Well, I was wondering about FF's comment that the world is laughing about Singapore. Was a bit confused as to why anybody would laugh at a country which is damn rich with no natural resouces, and has one of the lowest crime rates to boot.
If people are mad that you can riot and get drunk and beat up people in Singapore, and so and so.
No comments. I am still confused about FF :confused: :confused: :confused:
I first passed through Singapore in '73, on my way to the USA. Stayed there for a few days looking for a cheap flight.
It was the wild town Singapore of old.
Not long before, the last crocodile had been shot in the pool room in Raffles Hotel.
If a pickpocket got your wallet in the evening, you go to the thieves market the next day and buy it back, complete except for the money. It was dirty, dangerous, wild.
I next passed ther on my way back in '75. Lee Kwan Yew had been elected as prime minister.
The place was so clean that you could eat your breakfast off the street.
The people that I spoke to were so excited at the turn around. They love the it.
And it has never looked back.
For me, it has become a too clean, a bit strile, but the Indian quarter is still interesting, and the food is just stunning.
G
[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1101681]Well, I was wondering about FF's comment that the world is laughing about Singapore. Was a bit confused as to why anybody would laugh at a country which is damn rich with no natural resouces, and has one of the lowest crime rates to boot.
If people are mad that you can riot and get drunk and beat up people in Singapore, and so and so.
No comments. I am still confused about FF :confused: :confused: :confused:[/QUOTE]No need to be confused about the comment. To clarify, maybe you have never worked with Singaporeans and their endless " in Singapore we do this better that better everything better ". Try it, you will hate it.
Next, try talking to a Singaporean about his / her food. For them its the best in the entire world. Talk to the Chinese about Singaporean food (from which it mainly derived) and they will laugh in your face. They will tell you its overcooked and relies on unnatural flavours.
Go visit Singapore on Independance Day when you would be tempted to think Singapore is indeed the true centre of the World, such is the chest beating that goes on. Instead its a decent financial centre is all.
Then try and use your undoubted charms on the Singaporean princesses who roam the streets looking like slutty jailbait with a LV bag etc. They will laugh in your face for having the temerity to even dare to talk to them. They will take a bit of "white rough" now and again but will settle for Chinese as partner. Lew Kuan Yew told them to do that, their parents told them to do that and one thing Singaporeans are, is obedient.
Then finally talk to the Singaporeans who have emigrated. Theres plenty of them in Melbourne Sydney and most Aussie cities. They will tell you how hard it is for a non Chinese Singaporean to pass the bar exam. They will tell you how the system is set up on racial lines and that only Chinese can succeed. They will tell you one email offering the slightest of criticisms about the current government will result in your boss having to have a private word with you about not being a true Singaporean.
And of course talk to a Singaporean politician about the system of the courts actively bankrupting a member of the opposition who says anything slightly derogatory about the perfect ordered world of Singapore.
Oh and then talk to taxi drivers in Singapore. They will openly laugh about Singapore. They will even tell you that Orchard Towers is tolerated as it means all the hookers are in one place instead of roaming everywhere so that government ministers and their wives don't need to see them.
Yes its a successful place thats achieved success at the expense of freedom of press, freedom of individuality, freedom of expression, freedom of thought, freedom of promotion, and maybe even freedom of thought. Personally I like my countries to believe in the freedoms they express. Lastly Singaporeans are laughed at because when they are in Singapore they behave as slaves of the government beating their chest for Singapore etc. But get them overseas and they whinge all night about lack of freedoms. They just darent oppose the government in their home.
Maybe that will provide some food for the confusions you are enduring.
Great Post / Rant FF.
They remnid me of the Swiss in Europe. Same mentality. And same lack of understanding of who bankrolls their cosy existence
I need to buy a cell phone in the USA for use in the Philippines.
This will be my first cell phone, so am rather ignorant in this subject.
I plan on using it mostly for calls within the Phil. , with occasional voice calls and rest either texting or email.
I need to keep costs down and I want something simple, so prepaid is preferred, if possible. I don't want to worry about monthly bill checking etc. My Filipna friends tell me Nokia is best?
I want have a cell in my hand the day I arrive, one less thing to go shopping for when I get there.
Main thing is to keep it simple, easy and something that WORKS all over the islands and low cost.
It does not have to have all the bells an whistles, but something that works well.
Can anyone advise? Thanks for any useful information. BTW, what is locked and unlocked and how do you unlock them?
[QUOTE=Turdycurdyone; 1102159]I need to buy a cell phone in the USA for use in the Philippines.
This will be my first cell phone, so am rather ignorant in this subject.
I plan on using it mostly for calls within the Phil. , with occasional voice calls and rest either texting or email.
I need to keep costs down and I want something simple, so prepaid is preferred, if possible. I don't want to worry about monthly bill checking etc. My Filipna friends tell me Nokia is best?
I want have a cell in my hand the day I arrive, one less thing to go shopping for when I get there.
Main thing is to keep it simple, easy and something that WORKS all over the islands and low cost.
It does not have to have all the bells an whistles, but something that works well.
Can anyone advise? Thanks for any useful information. BTW, what is locked and unlocked and how do you unlock them? [/QUOTE]Locked simply refers to the phone will only work on the carrier that it is branded to
Unlocked means that the phone will work on ANY carrier as long as they have the same.
Network tech. That tech being either GSM or CDMA.
GSM carriers use a sims card and CDMA does not.
Most of Asia uses GSM.
Your own phone should work just fine if it is a quad band phone and is on the GSM.
Network. Just have your carrier unlock the phone before your trip so that all you have
To do is get a sims card from the local carrier (they should be readily available at the airport)
However buying your sim card there you are likely to pay a premium.
If you buy one make sure that it is quad band, on the GSM network (sim card) and is unlocked.
Quite frankly thou you can buy a phone complete with minutes and sims in Philippines very.
Inexpensively.
[QUOTE=J Europe; 1102183]To do is get a sims card from the local carrier (they should be readily available at the airport)
However buying your sim card there you are likely to pay a premium.
[/QUOTE]Just by your SIM card at a 7-11. I did that last week (used SMART as the carrier) and it cost 40 pesos for the SIM, which you can then load according to your needs (I usually do a 500 peso load, which is probably overkill).
[QUOTE=J Europe; 1102183]GSM carriers use a sims card and CDMA does not.
[/QUOTE]This is not true, the last 2 CDMA phones (-RTT and.EVDO era) I had, before I switched to a WCDMA carrier, both had SIM cards, and you could move the SIM to a GSM phone when you went overseas and roam on GSM too.
Just returned from PI today (will post details over the coming days) , and am already scheming on how to see my newest fav filipina again real soon. It hit me that, while I have more money than time, the opposite is true for most of these girls. Why should I be the one taking the 18 hour flight? I know getting US tourist visas can be almost impossible for them, but what about Mexico or somewhere in the Caribbean? Anybody ever try this approach?
[quote=freebiefan;1101989][/quote]hey mate, thanks for that mouthful.
i forgot to add something. been living here for the past 10 years, and yah, i do get the odd whiners who complain about not being able to spray paint graffitti and not being able to vandalise public property or have street racing or indulge in rowdy behaviour. and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] a few women for fun. or break some guys nose, or just burn a few busses. and beat up a few cops. and burn some rubber on the highway and spin out of control and kill a few bystanders. just for the fun of it. . .
now. yah, i do sympathise with you. when you haven't seen the other side of the coin. as for all you say, including women being stuck up. yeah, if you think they are all sluts waiting to be screwed by every foreigner, yes, you are right. i have enough chinese / local friends and my monthly social drinking dudes / dudettes make of a fair number of chinese. never had any such issue. and the girls get sloshed, and are not scared of taking a taxi alone.something they would never do in the countries where they have been to or lived. australia, us, uk.
and for the rest, including that non-chinese not being able to pass the bar exams : take a look at the lawyers in drew napier, harry elias, alan and gledhill, and lee and lee and i could go on. amore than half the top lawyers are non-chinese. and before you say anything, these are all home-grown law firms: and so are some of the top judges here. heck, even the cabinet has enough non-chinese.
as for whining. maybe you are mixing with the crowd that is 100% singaporean- even when the govt practically is ensuring the country is the most stablest, with one of the highest per-capita income.
over and out.
ps: before i am called in to wind my neck in. 10 years ago, i visited singapore for a mariah carey concert, and during the concert, we all were pumped up and a cop in civil walks closer and says quitly "guys, if you want to dance, head to the back of the floor or to the front. don't dance on the seats and break public property". it did feel a freaking statement and out of this world, but only later did i figure out that it is one of the reason singapore is where it is today. fast forward to 2010. i attended a concert recently at fort canning, and people were encouraged to throw confetti. and in 1997, i was in a bar, at on the dot at 12. 00 midnight, lights on and all were thrown out. and in 2010. you got bars that operate till 8 am, and even past 8 am. yah, in 10 years plus. singapore has become relaxed and open. and those who still think of the stuck up days. maybe they should do a nostalgia tour back home. . and no sir, i am not singaporean- just basing my work between the two asean neighbours and the difference between singapore and malaysia is quite revealing.
[QUOTE=Irony Monger;1102246]Just returned from PI today (will post details over the coming days) , and am already scheming on how to see my newest fav filipina again real soon. It hit me that, while I have more money than time, the opposite is true for most of these girls. Why should I be the one taking the 18 hour flight? I know getting US tourist visas can be almost impossible for them, but what about Mexico or somewhere in the Caribbean? Anybody ever try this approach?[/QUOTE]Most asians have a tough time getting visa to anywhere. Except within ASEAN for ASEAN members, and SAARC for SAARC members.
And why would you play with one fish, when you can go into the fish pond and have it all.
I found the easiest way is to buy a cell phone in the PI and use it there. Leave your USA phone at home. Don't know how much a cheap Nokia is anymore, but use it just in PI and bring it back to USA (or Europe) with you. If the SIM card is not used in 6 months? It expires and you just buy another one when you go back to PI. Yes, you can use your PI cell to call USA or whatever country. Just ask the girl where you buy the phone to show you. Buy the phone and load a 500peso card into it (let her show you how to do that) and you are good to go. Let her explain the difference in cost between texting and talking. Have fun.
[QUOTE=Irony Monger;1102246]Just returned from PI today (will post details over the coming days) , and am already scheming on how to see my newest fav filipina again real soon. It hit me that, while I have more money than time, the opposite is true for most of these girls. Why should I be the one taking the 18 hour flight? I know getting US tourist visas can be almost impossible for them, but what about Mexico or somewhere in the Caribbean? Anybody ever try this approach?[/QUOTE]Mexico is not visa-free for filipinos. Some Caribbean islands are.
[QUOTE=Turdycurdyone;1102159]I need to keep costs down and I want something simple, so prepaid is preferred, if possible. I don't want to worry about monthly bill checking etc. My Filipna friends tell me Nokia is best? [/QUOTE]Just get a cheap nokia. Less than 50US, and if you loose it. You don't have any heartaches.
Don't spend for expensive phones that are not quad-band, and are easy target for thieves.
My 2 cents.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1101989]No need to be confused about the comment. To clarify, maybe you have never worked with Singaporeans and their endless " in Singapore we do this better that better everything better ". Try it, you will hate it.
Next, try talking to a Singaporean about his / her food. For them its the best in the entire world. Talk to the Chinese about Singaporean food (from which it mainly derived) and they will laugh in your face. They will tell you its overcooked and relies on unnatural flavours.
Go visit Singapore on Independance Day when you would be tempted to think Singapore is indeed the true centre of the World, such is the chest beating that goes on. Instead its a decent financial centre is all.
Then try and use your undoubted charms on the Singaporean princesses who roam the streets looking like slutty jailbait with a LV bag etc. They will laugh in your face for having the temerity to even dare to talk to them. They will take a bit of "white rough" now and again but will settle for Chinese as partner. Lew Kuan Yew told them to do that, their parents told them to do that and one thing Singaporeans are, is obedient.
Then finally talk to the Singaporeans who have emigrated. Theres plenty of them in Melbourne Sydney and most Aussie cities. They will tell you how hard it is for a non Chinese Singaporean to pass the bar exam. They will tell you how the system is set up on racial lines and that only Chinese can succeed. They will tell you one email offering the slightest of criticisms about the current government will result in your boss having to have a private word with you about not being a true Singaporean.
And of course talk to a Singaporean politician about the system of the courts actively bankrupting a member of the opposition who says anything slightly derogatory about the perfect ordered world of Singapore.
Oh and then talk to taxi drivers in Singapore. They will openly laugh about Singapore. They will even tell you that Orchard Towers is tolerated as it means all the hookers are in one place instead of roaming everywhere so that government ministers and their wives don't need to see them.
Yes its a successful place thats achieved success at the expense of freedom of press, freedom of individuality, freedom of expression, freedom of thought, freedom of promotion, and maybe even freedom of thought. Personally I like my countries to believe in the freedoms they express. Lastly Singaporeans are laughed at because when they are in Singapore they behave as slaves of the government beating their chest for Singapore etc. But get them overseas and they whinge all night about lack of freedoms. They just darent oppose the government in their home.
Maybe that will provide some food for the confusions you are enduring. [/QUOTE]Who cares if they feel that way? Many countries feel that they are the center of the earth. The US comes to mind as one of them (I love the red, white and blue). So do the French. And the Argentinians. And the Spaniards!
I think it is honorable for a people to feel that proud of their own country. I am not Singaporean but the Singapore miracle is a pretty significant achievement for that crappy little island that the Malaysians didn't want. With very little resources, in 30 years, that country is now a 1st world country. The rest of the world should live in a place that is clean, crime free, drug free and full of opportunity.
[quote=econo tech; 1102257]hey mate, thanks for that mouthful.
i forgot to add something. been living here for the past 10 years, and yah, i do get the odd whiners who complain about not being able to spray paint graffitti and not being able to vandalise public property or have street racing or indulge in rowdy behaviour. and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] a few women for fun. or break some guys nose, or just burn a few busses. and beat up a few cops. and burn some rubber on the highway and spin out of control and kill a few bystanders. just for the fun of it. . .
now. yah, i do sympathise with you. when you haven't seen the other side of the coin. as for all you say, including women being stuck up. yeah, if you think they are all sluts waiting to be screwed by every foreigner, yes, you are right. i have enough chinese / local friends and my monthly social drinking dudes / dudettes make of a fair number of chinese. never had any such issue. and the girls get sloshed, and are not scared of taking a taxi alone. something they would never do in the countries where they have been to or lived. australia, us, uk.
and for the rest, including that non-chinese not being able to pass the bar exams : take a look at the lawyers in drew napier, harry elias, alan and gledhill, and lee and lee and i could go on. amore than half the top lawyers are non-chinese. and before you say anything, these are all home-grown law firms: and so are some of the top judges here. heck, even the cabinet has enough non-chinese.
as for whining. maybe you are mixing with the crowd that is 100% singaporean- even when the govt practically is ensuring the country is the most stablest, with one of the highest per-capita income.
over and out.
ps: before i am called in to wind my neck in. 10 years ago, i visited singapore for a mariah carey concert, and during the concert, we all were pumped up and a cop in civil walks closer and says quitly "guys, if you want to dance, head to the back of the floor or to the front. don't dance on the seats and break public property". it did feel a freaking statement and out of this world, but only later did i figure out that it is one of the reason singapore is where it is today. fast forward to 2010. i attended a concert recently at fort canning, and people were encouraged to throw confetti. and in 1997, i was in a bar, at on the dot at 12. 00 midnight, lights on and all were thrown out. and in 2010. you got bars that operate till 8 am, and even past 8 am. yah, in 10 years plus. singapore has become relaxed and open. and those who still think of the stuck up days. maybe they should do a nostalgia tour back home. . and no sir, i am not singaporean- just basing my work between the two asean neighbours and the difference between singapore and malaysia is quite revealing. [/quote]thankfully we don't all see the world with the same eyes, it would be boring if we did.
todays wikileaks cable release about singapores viewpoint of malaysia / india / thailand and japan really shows them at their insufferable best / worst. they are arrogant, they know it and the rest of the world knows it.
back to the mongering chit chat.
The key issue is to make sure the phone is quad band and unlocked. Then you can insert any local sim card (Pi, Thai, Hong Kong, Brazil) and it will work perfectly. You can bring your domestic phone if you wish (I do) but you will probably have to unlock it before you leave. That is because most cell phones sold in the USA are sold locked to the specific carrier for a 2 year service contract. They are sold to the consumer locked at a discount or even free because the real money is in the service contract. This is similar to inkjet printers where the real profit is in the ink cartridges.
I recommend LG phones. For your purposes, I would not recommend smart phones like Apple or Galaxy. Keep it simple. If unlocking your phone sounds too complicated, then just buy a inexpensive phone in the malls when you get to PI. Try it out before you buy it.
[QUOTE=Mr Hawaii;1102265]I found the easiest way is to buy a cell phone in the PI and use it there. Leave your USA phone at home. Don't know how much a cheap Nokia is anymore, but use it just in PI and bring it back to USA (or Europe) with you. If the SIM card is not used in 6 months? It expires and you just buy another one when you go back to PI. Yes, you can use your PI cell to call USA or whatever country. Just ask the girl where you buy the phone to show you. Buy the phone and load a 500peso card into it (let her show you how to do that) and you are good to go. Let her explain the difference in cost between texting and talking. Have fun.[/QUOTE]You can but a cheap second phone for around 500-800 pesos why buy new when you give it away is my philosophy. I have been using the same cheap nokia that cous me $25 for the alst 3 years, no one really wants it as no camera etc basic for texts and calls only.
There are some decent second places in Park Place opposite the Dusit and SM Department Store in Makati or try Geenhills.
SIM cards / numbers will expire but if you have a friendly girl she can top it up while you are overseas, so you keep the same number. For me it is important I have the same number
[QUOTE=Mongrinastrlnd;1102266]Mexico is not visa-free for filipinos. Some Caribbean islands are.[/QUOTE]Which ones?
[QUOTE=Econo Tech;1102260]And why would you play with one fish, when you can go into the fish pond and have it all.[/QUOTE]Well, that depends on the fish now doesn't it ;-) The main reason is that it is fairly easy for me to take a 4 day weekend somewhere in the western hemisphere, not so easy to take a full week off and head to PI. Anyway, just thinking of options.
Has anyone ever done sisters? Cousins, I know. Shoot everyone is a cousin over there. But sisters. Say like,"oh if you are on mens, then send your sister over to take care of me".
I can see lots of potential for jealousy, but, if they can get over the hope they may get married, maybe they could see taking care of 'daddy' as a mutual responsibility.
Ok and then, given that. Would it be sick to have a 3-way with sisters, and expect them to eat each other out?
Inquiring minds want to know.
[QUOTE=Irony Monger;1102376]Which ones? [/quote]Brazil,
Israel,
Sri Lanka,
Maldives,
Ethiopia,
Kenya,
Countries that are members of the Association of South East Asian Nations.
(ASEAN) including :
Thailand,
Malaysia,
Brunei,
Myanmar,
Laos,
Cambodia,
Vietnam and.
Singapore,
Hong Kong (SAR) and.
Macau (SAR ).
Answ
Haiti.
Costa Rica.
Turks and Caicos.
Dominicana
[QUOTE=Jambo; 1102428]Has anyone ever done sisters? Cousins, I know. Shoot everyone is a cousin over there. But sisters. Say like,"oh if you are on mens, then send your sister over to take care of me".
I can see lots of potential for jealousy, but, if they can get over the hope they may get married, maybe they could see taking care of 'daddy' as a mutual responsibility.
Ok and then, given that. Would it be sick to have a 3-way with sisters, and expect them to eat each other out?
Inquiring minds want to know. [/QUOTE]
Yes Jambo I have on more than one occassion. :) Go to the UAE thread and you even see pictures. And yes they eat, they lick, they kiss, they wear sexy lingerie and heels. And the lovely bit is they had fun, really enjoyed it. But now back in Manila (both of them) :(
And for my birthday they came with 2 other bisexual filipinas courtesy of my good mate JSBach, nice hotel suite. And we all had fun for a very long time. Again some pics back in the UAE thread (try Oct 2009 plus lots others, look for Mandy and Chevvy)
And no it is not sick at all...perfcetly normal behaviour as far as I am concerned :p
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger;1102443]perfcetly normal behaviour as far as I am concerned :p[/QUOTE]Oh then it must be sick and filthy! I will put a little something extra in the offering box next Sunday.
Also Peru.
Jambo, check out my mother / daughter posts.
[QUOTE=David_33;1102454]check out my mother / daughter posts.[/QUOTE]Oh see, now you are getting into my "Nazi Colonel and Sophie's Choice" fantasy
[QUOTE=Blackangst; 1102432]Brazil, Israel, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Ethiopia, Kenya, Countries that are members of the Association of South East Asian Nations.
(ASEAN) including : Thailand, Malaysia, Brunei, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and Singapore, Hong Kong (SAR) and Macau (SAR ).
Answ[/QUOTE]
Add Mongolia to the list too
[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1102543]Add Mongolia to the list too[/QUOTE]And Kosovo. Not that I can think why anyone would want to go there although it is convenient for Europeans!
[QUOTE=Jambo;1102428]Has anyone ever done sisters? Cousins, I know. Shoot everyone is a cousin over there. But sisters. Say like,"oh if you are on mens, then send your sister over to take care of me".[/QUOTE]Well, jumped a twin here, and they headed back to PH, and both were not shy to do anything I asked. Other than kissing each other.
[url]http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/8507508/man-castrates-daughters-boyfriend/[/url]
MAN CASTRATES DAUGHTER'S BOYFRIEND
AAP
December 14, 2010, 12:56 pm
A German man castrated his daughter's boyfriend with a bread knife because he was angry about their relationship and the 40-year age difference between them.
Britain's Daily Telegraph newspaper says Helmut Seifert will stand trial for attempted murder after severing the testicles of 57-year-old Phillip Genscher, who was dating Seifert's 17-year-old daughter.
Police say Genscher was attacked by Seifert and two other men and forced to remove his pants before the deed was done.
But Seifert has defended his action, saying it was his duty as a father.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1102624]
[url]http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/8507508/man-castrates-daughters-boyfriend/[/url]
MAN CASTRATES DAUGHTER'S BOYFRIEND.
[/QUOTE]I saw that too, was passed to me a friend who told his wife that her friends are no good for me as they are not 35 years younger than me. Said I should be careful (he is just jealous) but then I told him his wife is German / Russsian and while not that great an age difference in them, she has some scary friends / relatives (especially Russians)
Be thankful that in PI they see the world more sensibly.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech;1102561]Well, jumped a twin here, and they headed back to PH, and both were not shy to do anything I asked. Other than kissing each other.[/QUOTE]Same here. Few months ago there were twins working in one of the bars on Burgos and once you put a bit of alcohol in them they were happy to bar fine together. I think it was Bottoms but did not see them last week when I was there.
[QUOTE=Mortman;1102560]And Kosovo. Not that I can think why anyone would want to go there although it is convenient for Europeans![/QUOTE]But a little note: some of these countries that welcome "filipinos" are on the Filipino MFA no-go list, and upon return, the Filipino gets harassed and treated like crap. The main thing that they headed to those no-go zones to earn money gets lost, and a lot of bribes are needed to 'clear the record. '
OK I know this is not strictly linked to "mongering" but it is an interesting article about how filipinos are obsessed by foreign things, especially "mestizos" with the pretty face and / or the hunky body.
[url]http://ph.news.yahoo.com/ann/20101216/tph-a-tsunami-of-foreign-imports-fb8bb4f.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1103488]OK I know this is not strictly linked to "mongering" but it is an interesting article about how filipinos are obsessed by foreign things, especially "mestizos" with the pretty face and / or the hunky body.
[url]http://ph.news.yahoo.com/ann/20101216/tph-a-tsunami-of-foreign-imports-fb8bb4f.html[/url]
[/QUOTE]Since today seems to be a slow day. One for the road.
[url]http://antipinoy.com/filipinos-are-rude/[/url]
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1103488]OK I know this is not strictly linked to "mongering" but it is an interesting article about how filipinos are obsessed by foreign things, especially "mestizos" with the pretty face and / or the hunky body.
[url]http://ph.news.yahoo.com/ann/20101216/tph-a-tsunami-of-foreign-imports-fb8bb4f.html[/url]
[/QUOTE]RK.
Is probably why I am so popular with the girls when I am there. I always knew there was a sensible reason and not just the Brad Pitt pills I take LOL
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1103518]RK.
Is probably why I am so popular with the girls when I am there. I always knew there was a sensible reason and not just the Brad Pitt pills I take LOL[/QUOTE]You are right Roger.
In your case it is a triple whammy. You are white and you have the pretty face AND the hunky body too.
[QUOTE=Irony Monger;1102246]Just returned from PI today (will post details over the coming days) , and am already scheming on how to see my newest fav filipina again real soon. It hit me that, while I have more money than time, the opposite is true for most of these girls. Why should I be the one taking the 18 hour flight? I know getting US tourist visas can be almost impossible for them, but what about Mexico or somewhere in the Caribbean? Anybody ever try this approach?[/QUOTE]This is why Western countries talking about free trade is a bogus sham. The US is putting pressure on countries like China to free up trade to allow more US exports to China. But will the US allow Chinese pussy in the US?
They will argue that selling pussy is illegal in the US. In that case China can make Windows software illegal in China.
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1103518]RK.
Is probably why I am so popular with the girls when I am there. I always knew there was a sensible reason and not just the Brad Pitt pills I take LOL[/QUOTE]Gee, I thought the WR that I met was more like George Clooney.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1103669]Gee, I thought the WR that I met was more like George Clooney.[/QUOTE]I have it on good authority that George Clooney is gay!
[QUOTE=Mattrick;1103686]I have it on good authority that George Clooney is gay![/QUOTE]Actually it was tongue in cheeking.
[QUOTE=Mattrick;1103686]I have it on good authority that George Clooney is gay![/QUOTE]Am not sure about George, but I do know that RK's description is perfect. Well it would be as I live in a dream world :D
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1103669]Gee, I thought the WR that I met was more like George Clooney.[/QUOTE]I have it on good authority that George Clooney has learned some of his best tactics from WR.
Ok. Maybe this is a stupid request, but.
Do you know where I can get Viagra or a knock off version in Manila. I want to try it.
[QUOTE=Cool Traveler; 1104022]Ok. Maybe this is a stupid request, but.
Do you know where I can get Viagra or a knock off version in Manila. I want to try it. [/QUOTE]Just walk up / down P Burgos, off the corner of Makati Ave. Walk around in front of Citadel hotel, and towards Makati Avenue. Just walk across Burgos street, from one side to the other. Try and look real 'white' if you can do that.
If you are in Malate, just walk up / down in front of MB Cafe.
[QUOTE=Cool Traveler; 1104022]Ok. Maybe this is a stupid request, but.
Do you know where I can get Viagra or a knock off version in Manila. I want to try it. [/QUOTE]Spend about 30 seconds on P. Burgos during any afternoon. Be sure to follow Dragon Slayer's advice; when someone offers you one 4-pack for 1000 pesos, just laugh in their face and tell them that 1000 pesos is the price you pay for six 4-packs. Within a few minutes someone will take you up on this price. It is a buyers market here.
[QUOTE=Irony Monger;1104030]Spend about 30 seconds on P. Burgos during any afternoon. Be sure to follow Dragon Slayer's advice; when someone offers you one 4-pack for 1000 pesos, just laugh in their face and tell them that 1000 pesos is the price you pay for six 4-packs. Within a few minutes someone will take you up on this price. It is a buyers market here.[/QUOTE]
Try opposite Oxford Suites, plenty sellers there and the pricing mentioned is correct, try and push for 7 for 1000 pesos.
Also tell them you will open a random pack just to be sure that inside is the product.
There is a Korean travel agency buried under the Makati Palace Hotel. On Burgos actually, down the stairs faux marble stairs near the Korean Grocery. These guys were super helpful getting me a flight to Cebu. And honest. That is, the 10:30 flight to Cebu was $60. 00 and I was just about to buy it when I thought morning traffic will hurt me, so I said, no, give me the 1:30 pm.
The young guy says: Oh that's better, it's $40. 00 You save $20. 00.
Wow. How many small tourist travel agents might not update you once you had your $60 on the table? I don't know, but this group is honest. Fast, good English and smart. Use them if you have to change a flight or make a booking.
J
I have noted that WR and FF have been somewhat quiet after the 3rd Test despite being remarkably chirpy after the 2nd one.
I will hold my fire. I have never been one to kick a man (men) when he (they) are down LOL LOL LOL.
Sorry guys. As you were. Back to tales of mongering.
[QUOTE=Jackzonian; 1104249]Wow. How many small tourist travel agents might not update you once you had your $60 on the table? I don't know, but this group is honest. Fast, good English and smart. Use them if you have to change a flight or make a booking.
J[/QUOTE]Maybe me is going to burst your bubble. But if you booked in 5J. Regardless of the cost of the flight, the agent gets the same 'agency fee'. So. No incentive for them to push for expensive flights. Unless you booked on PR.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1104434]I have noted that WR and FF have been somewhat quiet after the 3rd Test despite being remarkably chirpy after the 2nd one.
I will hold my fire. I have never been one to kick a man (men) when he (they) are down LOL LOL LOL.
Sorry guys. As you were. Back to tales of mongering. [/QUOTE]In a land where summer comes but briefly, people will sunbathe a lot.
Was waiting for a RK type rebbutal. And well deserved too!
[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1104524]In a land where summer comes but briefly, people will sunbathe a lot.
Was waiting for a RK type rebbutal. And well deserved too! [/QUOTE]As RK knows, I am humble in victory and gracious in defeat.
And if continues with all the 'banter' will have a word with the peach. And she will make sure he realises the importance of being a good boy.
I was thinking a guy might stash the surplus cash in his pocket. That's all.
I will be in manillia in januery there is some one too
Any idea if pregnancy makes the girl get dry? I met this girl at AC, she is pregnant and gets dry after a while during intercourse. The last time I met her it was great, wet all the time including the bed sheet.
I'm used butterfly, because freelancers are everywhere in Thailand as a small island like Kho Tao has its bars and massages.
I read that in the Philippines on many forums in English, it would be appropriate if I go to places like Palawan, Legaspi, Pandan Island (Mindoro) , bring a girl as a companion or "girlfriend."
I made my reservations in Manila and Angeles at Executive Plaza and Paific Breeze!
I will visit Pandan Island to see Apo Reef (Mindoro-Sablayan) then I'll be back in Manila and the day after, I will be at Donsol (Bicol region) to see the whale sharks!
What do you advise me to do, go there alone and see what I could find locally? I might make contact with some girls in the websites type DIA Filpino Heart!
Or barfine a girl whom I'll be fine when I will be in Angeles and take her with me?
Which girl you take with you? Freelancer, waitress, dancer?
I mean a girl reliable, that you do not use drugs, with real I'd cards, not an alcoholic, she should be with me 10 days, take 4 flights with me!
Where could I find a girl like that?
Perimeter area?
Santos Street? The "Doll House", where I've read in a blog that was in order after checks by the police in recent raids of last months?
Is it safer a freelancer in Manila at former La Cafe or lady bar in Angeles for that?
[QUOTE=Andrewbaez; 1105812]I'm used butterfly, because freelancers are everywhere in Thailand as a small island like Kho Tao has its bars and massages.
I read that in the Philippines on many forums in English, it would be appropriate if I go to places like Palawan, Legaspi, Pandan Island (Mindoro) , bring a girl as a companion or "girlfriend."
I made my reservations in Manila and Angeles at Executive Plaza and Paific Breeze!
I will visit Pandan Island to see Apo Reef (Mindoro-Sablayan) then I'll be back in Manila and the day after, I will be at Donsol (Bicol region) to see the whale sharks!
What do you advise me to do, go there alone and see what I could find locally? I might make contact with some girls in the websites type DIA Filpino Heart!
Or barfine a girl whom I'll be fine when I will be in Angeles and take her with me?
Which girl you take with you? Freelancer, waitress, dancer?
I mean a girl reliable, that you do not use drugs, with real I'd cards, not an alcoholic, she should be with me 10 days, take 4 flights with me!
Where could I find a girl like that?
Perimeter area?
Santos Street? The "Doll House", where I've read in a blog that was in order after checks by the police in recent raids of last months?
Is it safer a freelancer in Manila at former La Cafe or lady bar in Angeles for that? [/QUOTE]1 It's good to see a guy planning to see some of the real scenic highlights of the phils rather than just hanging out in the bars in AC or manila.
2 You are intending to pack an awful lot in for just 10 days. Personally I would consider a slower pace and seeing less places as other wise you will be spending much of your time on a plane / airport.
3 Taking a bar girl on such a trip is IMHO not a great idea. Firstly you will be paying a big Bar Fine for 10 days. Secondly you are going to get a girl with a bar girl type attitude and education level.
4 The type of small population touristy areas that you are planning to visit are definitely Bring Your Own babe type places. The local populations are small and conservative. Most of the naughty, open minded girls will have left home for the bigger cities. You can find suitable girls there but it takes time which it sounds you don't have or local leads.
5 Personally I would be targeting the "semi pro" scene rather than the "freelancer" scene. I would see a freelancer as a girl who hangs out in cafes / bars or clubs and hunts for guys every night. I think with these girls you may well run into the reliability / dugs / alcoholic type issues you mentioned (though of course you may get lucky).
I see a semi pro as a girl who spends time on the dating sites or smiles at guys in the mall in the hope of maybe getting 3 or 4 dates a month with some financial compensation either to help her studies or supplement her income. Most of these girls are very pleasant and fun to be with, really enjoy the sex rather than just pretend to enjoy it, much more likely to be genuinely interested in the type of trip you are contemplating, don't need to be bar fined and should not have the drugs / alcoholic type issues you are concerned about.
Most of the girls of this type are living in the big population centres such as Manila, Cebu or the bigger cities of Mindanao such as Davao and CDO.
If you hot dating sites such as DIA or tagged, you will find many sexy and attractive gilrs who would love such a holiday.
[QUOTE=Andrewbaez; 1105812]I'm used butterfly, because freelancers are everywhere in Thailand as a small island like Kho Tao has its bars and massages.
I read that in the Philippines on many forums in English, it would be appropriate if I go to places like Palawan, Legaspi, Pandan Island (Mindoro) , bring a girl as a companion or "girlfriend."
I made my reservations in Manila and Angeles at Executive Plaza and Paific Breeze!
I will visit Pandan Island to see Apo Reef (Mindoro-Sablayan) then I'll be back in Manila and the day after, I will be at Donsol (Bicol region) to see the whale sharks!
What do you advise me to do, go there alone and see what I could find locally? I might make contact with some girls in the websites type DIA Filpino Heart!
Or barfine a girl whom I'll be fine when I will be in Angeles and take her with me?
Which girl you take with you? Freelancer, waitress, dancer?
I mean a girl reliable, that you do not use drugs, with real I'd cards, not an alcoholic, she should be with me 10 days, take 4 flights with me!
Where could I find a girl like that?
Perimeter area?
Santos Street? The "Doll House", where I've read in a blog that was in order after checks by the police in recent raids of last months?
Is it safer a freelancer in Manila at former La Cafe or lady bar in Angeles for that? [/QUOTE]Oh boy, that's a loaded post. I don't think there is a magic formula to find a reliable girl no matter what job title she holds. You really, never know until you take a test drive. Although the interview process is very important, it's not foolproof! Manila gals tend to be more cutthroat than Angeles but freelancers can make up their own rules. I've lived here almost six years now and it's been mostly good but the bad will always make an appearance from time to time. My only advice is not to reveal your 10 day plan to any girl until the test drive passes muster.
[QUOTE=George111;1105772]Any idea if pregnancy makes the girl get dry? [/QUOTE]Sounds somewhat logical to me. During an existing pregnancy sex is useless in the sense of reproduction.
And the body doesn't support it for the time being.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=George111;1105772]Any idea if pregnancy makes the girl get dry? I met this girl at AC, she is pregnant and gets dry after a while during intercourse. The last time I met her it was great, wet all the time including the bed sheet.[/QUOTE]. And in addition to EKSPAT's post you also have to consider from the medical point of view that the hormonal situation (Progesteron / Estradiol.ratio) is different from a normal menstrual cycle. The hormones say: No need to get lubricated!
[QUOTE=GregLondon; 1105837]2 You are intending to pack an awful lot in for just 10 days. Personally I would consider a slower pace and seeing less places as other wise you will be spending much of your time on a plane / airport.
[/QUOTE]I am going to visit Phillipines 21 days, I stay ten days Manila-Angeles and try to choose a right girl and rest little bit Then I have 11 days to see the others two places and I have already booked my flight. So I think is not so hard like intinerary!
[QUOTE=Andrewbaez;1106053]I am going to visit Phillipines 21 days, I stay ten days Manila-Angeles and try to choose a right girl and rest little bit Then I have 11 days to see the others two places and I have already booked my flight. So I think is not so hard like intinerary![/QUOTE]Ok that's much more feasible an itinerary. Sounds like a great plan. When are you planning your trip? You will find many girls on DIA / tagged in the Manila / Angeles area very interested to accompany you on your trip. For the reasons outlined before I would personally steer clear of the bar girl / La Cafe type freelancer scene for this part of your holiday and concentrate on regular girls / semi pros. You should find loads to choose from but if you get stuck feel free to PM me for a couple of suggestions of girls that I have found fun and reliable.
I have had good success with Pimsleur for Portuguese and Thai already. I did not like their Spanish program partly because it started out too slowly for someone that already spoke some Spanish and partly because it focused on overly formal European Spanish in which I had no interest.
Anyone use Pimsleur Tagalog, and if so, how useful was it in AC? By way of comparison, I was able to communicate quite effectlively in Rio after going through Pimsleur Portuguese levels 1-3. There is only 1 level for Thai (as Tagalog) so I was not able to converse in Thai in Pattaya but found that when people did not understand my English I could throw in a Thai word or two to help clarify things.
The problem is that it seems that I cannot get the Tagalog course as cheap as the Thai course and I assume that it would not be as useful because English is also a national language in the PI. Also I imagine that most of the girls will not be from Manila so they would they be more comfortable speaking Cebuano (or some other language) than Tagalog. If that is the case then I do not see much point in learning a langage that will be second for both of us.
How does the bar girls' comprehension of Tagalog compare to their comprehension of English? Does anyone sell cheap Pimsleur / Rosetta Stone on the street?
[QUOTE=Andrewbaez;1106053]I am going to visit Phillipines 21 days, I stay ten days Manila-Angeles and try to choose a right girl and rest little bit Then I have 11 days to see the others two places and I have already booked my flight. So I think is not so hard like intinerary![/QUOTE]Always have a backup plan Andrew. Be ready to substitute in a different girl if the current one craps out on you. Filipinas are famous for the bait-and-switch: "I mean we have the sex after you buy me a ring." Or, maybe you meet your girl in Manila, all is well for 2-3 days, then she gets bitchy while you are traveling in Angeles (or Cebu). Be prepared to send her home, and have other girls in that city in your phone address book who also would like to travel with you.
Samar has the best girls. Whenever I am in a bar be it Manila or AC and I pick to my mind the cutest girl there, she's always from Samar. This cannot be a co-incidence. Any action down in Samar?
[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1106097]Always have a backup plan Andrew. Be ready to substitute in a different girl if the current one craps out on you. Filipinas are famous for the bait-and-switch: "I mean we have the sex after you buy me a ring." Or, maybe you meet your girl in Manila, all is well for 2-3 days, then she gets bitchy while you are traveling in Angeles (or Cebu). Be prepared to send her home, and have other girls in that city in your phone address book who also would like to travel with you.[/QUOTE]Yes I know that. I have been 6 times in Thailand. 1 Cambodia. 1 Laos. 1 Myanmar, then in Central America, Cuba e Mexico! I am not a newbie, but I never been in Phillipines. But Sopeni, Garotas, Jeneteras and G. R. O are always the same attiude!
[QUOTE=GregLondon;1106090]Ok that's much more feasible an itinerary. Sounds like a great plan. When are you planning your trip? You will find many girls on DIA / tagged in the Manila / Angeles area very interested to accompany you on your trip. For the reasons outlined before I would personally steer clear of the bar girl / La Cafe type freelancer scene for this part of your holiday and concentrate on regular girls / semi pros. You should find loads to choose from but if you get stuck feel free to PM me for a couple of suggestions of girls that I have found fun and reliable.[/QUOTE]I am going to visit Phillipines from 5 February 2011 until February 26!
I will be very grateful to receive some advice from you Pm or other forum members, I have little time to spend online, because my job is to make technical assistance for customers of the company I work for, I am online too late to chat, my time area is less than 7 hours the Phillipines! Except on Saturdays and Sundays, but I do not speak good English, though I am a very kind and respectful, but do not like to be fooled. .
The girls of Puerto Princesa I have already known, because it follows the long section, the Philippines, but I should have a month to meet them, too, will be for the next trip!
If you know girls instead Manila and Angeles area, I'd be very interested and pleased to receive information. I have already paid to see the photos and receive mail from other users, even if they are a senior menber, but I prefer not to participate actively in the forum because I do not have fluent English and do not want to embarrass!
[QUOTE=Edward M; 1106095]I have had good success with Pimsleur for Portuguese and Thai already. I did not like their Spanish program partly because it started out too slowly for someone that already spoke some Spanish and partly because it focused on overly formal European Spanish in which I had no interest.
Anyone use Pimsleur Tagalog, and if so, how useful was it in AC? By way of comparison, I was able to communicate quite effectlively in Rio after going through Pimsleur Portuguese levels 1-3. There is only 1 level for Thai (as Tagalog) so I was not able to converse in Thai in Pattaya but found that when people did not understand my English I could throw in a Thai word or two to help clarify things.
The problem is that it seems that I cannot get the Tagalog course as cheap as the Thai course and I assume that it would not be as useful because English is also a national language in the PI. Also I imagine that most of the girls will not be from Manila so they would they be more comfortable speaking Cebuano (or some other language) than Tagalog. If that is the case then I do not see much point in learning a langage that will be second for both of us.
How does the bar girls' comprehension of Tagalog compare to their comprehension of English? Does anyone sell cheap Pimsleur / Rosetta Stone on the street? [/QUOTE]I have used Pimsleur for Thai and Tagalog. Level 1 only.
The Tag is a little easier because the pronunciation is harder for Thai.
As far as usefulness is concerned, I really consider both of them marginal for someone who is just going to be there for a week or two at a time. That just does not give you time to build some extra vocabulary or grammar, and in AC and Manila, there are so many english speakers, so you need to ask yourself what the point is.
Having said that, if you were going to live there or had an asawa, then you might find it handy, and especially if you start going to out of the way places. You are also right that there are other local languages. So learning Tagalog might not help you if you were living outside a Tag speaking area.
Some people like learning a language just for the heck of it.
In summary, if you like learning languages, or you have a pinay wife, or you are going to live there long time, it is worth it.
If you are just going for a couple of weeks or less, nah, don't bother.
I have not seen any Tag or RStone stuff on the streets in AC, maybe not much call for it, and that tells you something.
If you do decide to do the Pimsleur 1, you might AFTERWARDS use the site below to increase your vocabulary:
[url]https://learningtagalog.com/course.html[/url]
It will not help in the least if you are a complete Tag Noob, but once you have the basics, it will give you some vocab and phrases for different situations. There is also a downloadable text book which has some useful stuff.
[QUOTE=Rubberyman; 1106541]I have used Pimsleur for Thai and Tagalog. Level 1 only.
The Tag is a little easier because the pronunciation is harder for Thai.
As far as usefulness is concerned, I really consider both of them marginal for someone who is just going to be there for a week or two at a time. That just does not give you time to build some extra vocabulary or grammar, and in AC and Manila, there are so many english speakers, so you need to ask yourself what the point is.
Having said that, if you were going to live there or had an asawa, then you might find it handy, and especially if you start going to out of the way places. You are also right that there are other local languages. So learning Tagalog might not help you if you were living outside a Tag speaking area.
Some people like learning a language just for the heck of it.
In summary, if you like learning languages, or you have a pinay wife, or you are going to live there long time, it is worth it.
If you are just going for a couple of weeks or less, nah, don't bother.
I have not seen any Tag or RStone stuff on the streets in AC, maybe not much call for it, and that tells you something.
If you do decide to do the Pimsleur 1, you might AFTERWARDS use the site below to increase your vocabulary:
[url]https://learningtagalog.com/course.html[/url]
It will not help in the least if you are a complete Tag Noob, but once you have the basics, it will give you some vocab and phrases for different situations. There is also a downloadable text book which has some useful stuff. [/QUOTE]I agree that tagalog is only worth learning if you plan to stay along time or marry a Phil wife who is not strong in English. OR if you really just enjoy learning languages.
Assuming you have no moral aversion to pirate copies, you can download Rosetta Stone and Pimsleur for most languages for free through download sites such as Rapidshare. I've seen Tag for Rosetta Stone there but not Pimsleur.
For those not familiar with download sites, the best place to search for links is probably.
[url]http://www.warez-bb.org/[/url]
Which is free to join and use.
The big download sites are rapidshare, hotfile, megaupload etc,
They allow you to download files one at a time at a slow rate for free or you can buy a subscription allowing a huge amount of downloading at a much faster rate. Rapidshare is the biggest and cheapest service, a sub will cost about $8 +
For those not familiar with such things most of the big files such as movies or Rosetta Stone ISOs are compressed and split with WiNRAR s you may want to download this program as a first step if you haven't got it (us are use a free alternative such as 7Zip). If you get into this stuff in a big way, I would also recommend Internet Download Manager (you can search for a pirate copy on Warez BB) which makes downloading multiple files much much easier.
[QUOTE=Goatboy55;1106101]Samar has the best girls. Whenever I am in a bar be it Manila or AC and I pick to my mind the cutest girl there, she's always from Samar. This cannot be a co-incidence. Any action down in Samar?[/QUOTE]Samar (Northern and Eastern) is almost the poorest area in the Philippines aprt from areas in ARMM, and consequently it is an area where there is a lot of New Peoples Army (NPA) activity (Communist rebels is the term that the government uses for them).
Just last week 10 soldiers were ambushed and killed in Catubig in Northern Samar.
Stick to the Samar girls that are in AC. If they are at home in Samar they are most likely sweet innocent and law-abiding girls living under the protection of a very large family group, and you don't want to go meddling in that.
The main towns of Catarman and Catbalogan are NOT mongering towns unless you are very experienced, speak the language, or you are travelling with a local who has a lot of prestige in the area. The hostelries are 2 star at best.
I don't know what to think here. It is a little bit odd that a US naval officer would be trying to smuggle fake cocaine but that is what the story says.
From [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_philippines_us_navy_death[/url].
US man jumps to death in Manila after drug arrest.
AP.
– Tue Dec 28, 5:52 am ET.
MANILA, Philippines – A USA Navy officer jumped to his death at Manila's airport after he was arrested with what was thought to be cocaine, Philippine officials said Tuesday, but tests later showed the white powder wasn't an illegal drug.
Lt. Cmdr. Scintar Buenviaje Mejia died of head injuries after jumping from a second-floor staircase Monday while a security guard escorted him to the bathroom, aviation police chief Pedro Desuasido said.
The 35-year-old Mejia, a USA citizen of Filipino descent, was arrested a day earlier at an airport X-ray machine after security officials found a plastic packet containing what was suspected to be cocaine in his bag, Desuasido said. He was about to board a flight to Los Angeles.
Desuasido said Mejia shouted and threw the packet at security officials. He denied the packet was his and claimed he was set up.
Dionisio Santiago, head of the Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency, said chemical tests on the powder in Mejia's bag showed it did not contain drugs. The tests, however, didn't determine what the powder was.
Wossie Mazengia, a USA Embassy spokeswoman, said American officials were aware of what happened to Mejia. She said Philippine National Police officials were investigating.
[QUOTE=Rubberyman; 1106541]In summary, if you like learning languages, or you have a pinay wife, or you are going to live there long time, it is worth it.
If you are just going for a couple of weeks or less, nah, don't bother. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback. Since this will be my first trip I won't bother trying to learn any. I'll see how it goes when I get there and if I will even want to return. FWIW learning the local language has helped my a lot in Brazil and Mexico but those are not countries with English as a national language.
[QUOTE=Edward M;1106650]I don't know what to think here. It is a little bit odd that a US naval officer would be trying to smuggle fake cocaine but that is what the story says.[/QUOTE]Well, most Filipino news sites start as "FIL AM.". Whatever difference that means. Maybe somebody sold him some of the drugs that were cast away in the sea. Off Luzon.
[QUOTE=Edward M;1106653]Thanks for the feedback. Since this will be my first trip I won't bother trying to learn any. I'll see how it goes when I get there and if I will even want to return. FWIW learning the local language has helped my a lot in Brazil and Mexico but those are not countries with English as a national language.[/QUOTE]I speak Spanish and perhaps over 20% of the Tagalog language is Spanish or a derivative thereof. On occasion I might use a few Spanish words that are in their language and they are happy that I speak Tagalog. Don't waste your time trying to figure out their language or logic.
Here's a great example of their logic. I was at Harrison Mall last week wanting reading glasses that I but at any Dollar Store at home for a buck. After 4 stores, nobody knew what I was talking about and one saleswoman wanted me to go to National Book Store for a magnifying glass. We then stumble on a store that had reading glasses and sunglasses which I also wanted a new pair of. Sunglasses were 6 inches from the reading glasses. After finding the correct reading glasses, I kept them on so I could look at the sunglasses. Idiot clerk says oh no, you must pay for the reading glasses before you can look at the sunglasses (6 inches away). I gave him the reading glasses, told him to go [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off and left.
Don't waste your time on their language or or logic unless you are going to be here for a long long time.
Slippery f / k/a PLC
[QUOTE=Slippery; 1106937]I speak Spanish and perhaps over 20% of the Tagalog language is Spanish or a derivative thereof. On occasion I might use a few Spanish words that are in their language and they are happy that I speak Tagalog. Don't waste your time trying to figure out their language or logic.
Here's a great example of their logic. I was at Harrison Mall last week wanting reading glasses that I but at any Dollar Store at home for a buck. After 4 stores, nobody knew what I was talking about and one saleswoman wanted me to go to National Book Store for a magnifying glass. We then stumble on a store that had reading glasses and sunglasses which I also wanted a new pair of. Sunglasses were 6 inches from the reading glasses. After finding the correct reading glasses, I kept them on so I could look at the sunglasses. Idiot clerk says oh no, you must pay for the reading glasses before you can look at the sunglasses (6 inches away). I gave him the reading glasses, told him to go [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off and left.
Don't waste your time on their language or or logic unless you are going to be here for a long long time.
Slippery f / k/a PLC[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there is always a price you pay when you are in a different culture.
Every culture does stuff that others think are crazy. Just ask the average Australian what he thinks about the US custom of tipping, and vice versa. (Always a fun discussion on boards like this from time to time).
I find it is easier to go with the flow culturally speaking. Sometimes the effort to insist on one's own cultural values when in another country is just not worth it. Except when it comes to eating balut, he mutters darkly.
No doubt the store clerk went home and had the pamilia rolling on the floor with laughter about the crazy Kano trying to buy glasses.
[QUOTE=Rubberyman; 1107166]Yeah, there is always a price you pay when you are in a different culture.
Every culture does stuff that others think are crazy. Just ask the average Australian what he thinks about the US custom of tipping, and vice versa. (Always a fun discussion on boards like this from time to time).
I find it is easier to go with the flow culturally speaking. Sometimes the effort to insist on one's own cultural values when in another country is just not worth it. Except when it comes to eating balut, he mutters darkly.
No doubt the store clerk went home and had the pamilia rolling on the floor with laughter about the crazy Kano trying to buy glasses. [/QUOTE]Yah, as I mentioned elsewhere, when I was negotiating for a property, and when I kept pushing for a smaller unit, the property agent. A filipina, lost her mood and yelled at me telling me that I don't deserve to buy an apartment and what a cheapskate charlie I am. And few years later, she is all smiles and begging me to come and visit her properties. Nah. It is a given that while you thought that you gave the sales man a tough time, their pea brain would have been pretty amused by the silly kano.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech;1107236]Yah, as I mentioned elsewhere, when I was negotiating for a property, and when I kept pushing for a smaller unit, the property agent. A filipina, lost her mood and yelled at me telling me that I don't deserve to buy an apartment and what a cheapskate charlie I am. And few years later, she is all smiles and begging me to come and visit her properties. Nah. It is a given that while you thought that you gave the sales man a tough time, their pea brain would have been pretty amused by the silly kano.[/QUOTE]You know, I am willing to bet that she probably had you lined up as husband material, either for herself or for a 'friend' or at the very least for some lucky pinay thereabouts. So you NEEDED a bigger apartment.
[QUOTE=Rubberyman;1107422]You know, I am willing to bet that she probably had you lined up as husband material, either for herself or for a 'friend' or at the very least for some lucky pinay thereabouts. So you NEEDED a bigger apartment.[/QUOTE]Nah. She wasn't lining me up with any 'husband' material, I am 100% sure. She just wanted me to splurge beyond what I can afford.standard filipina thinking, and she even mentioned that some of her buyers are Caregivers in Canada.
I could also quote another situation: I had an incident, when we were trying to negotiate for Copra, and the seller, maybe new in the business, kept saying "sir, you can afford to pay a bit more. Every extra dollar you pay goes to making somebody's life better." etc etc. And my friend started explaining that business is business, and he is not running a charity business, and the sellers should be happy to be able to have a buyer. And all. I quitely pulled him aside and told him to 'cease and desist'. Nah. He didn't want to listen and started his lecture on economics and how his being there to purchase is itself a big boost, and his offering above market rate is a measure of his confidence etc. Etc. . And there was stunned silence from the Filipinos. A while later, almost all of the local sellers were like "we'd rather starve than to sell to this arrogant bastard."
Try explaining that. And for that matter, the main point of contact. The Filipina, was bought up in LA, and decided to venture into doing export promotion of Filipino produce, but her attitude and mentality never changed.
I could go on.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech;1107475]sir, you can afford to pay a bit more. Every extra dollar you pay goes to making somebody's life better." etc etc.[/QUOTE]Thats what the preacher tells them every Sunday (as donation bag is being passed around the church). Son, every peso you share makes somebodys life better.
Very easy concept to embrace, especially when you are sharing someone elses pesos.
[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist; 1107497]Thats what the preacher tells them every Sunday (as donation bag is being passed around the church). Son, every peso you share makes somebodys life better.
Very easy concept to embrace, especially when you are sharing someone elses pesos. [/QUOTE]Yah, and sometimes they loose focus on where to draw the line. Even when buying stuff, they expect more payment than market rate, because, after all, you paying more means, more poor people will apparently benefit. :confused:
I stopped trying to make sense out of such stuff. A long time ago. .
The dread, button-pushing HIV / barebacking topic, for some inexplicable reason, commenced recently in the Photo Galllery thread-which, I think we would all agree, is not exactly the most appropriate place for it. So I'll throw in here just a brief addenda that may be of interest.
There are probably a number of reasons why the HIV rate in the Philippines is relatively low, aside from the possibility of lax (or even deliberately misleading) government reporting. Among them: 1) Philippines sex workers, compared to sex workers in other SE Asian countries entertain relatively fewer clients; 2) There is relatively less intravenous drug use; and 3) Unlike in most other SE Asian countries, male circumcision is the norm in the Philippines.
An excellent, informative, sensible, highly readable book on the topic is 'The Wisdom of Wh***s' by Elizabeth Pisani. I recommend it.
*For some reason, when I input the full 'W' word (meaning paid sex worker) in the title above, it automatically gets edited out. Hmmmm...
Manta Ray
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5y7FmuIds8[/url]
[QUOTE=Manta Ray;1107957]The dread, button-pushing HIV / barebacking topic [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Manta Ray; 1107957]There are probably a number of reasons why the HIV rate in the Philippines is relatively low, aside from the possibility of lax (or even deliberately misleading) government reporting.
Manta Ray[/QUOTE]The number of HIV infections is NOT lower than in other asian coun tries (except maybe Thailand and India) but it is KEPT low by Phil. Government due to some very good sounding reason.
Think about this. The report of increase of HIV cases is nothing new, it is just as they cannot keep their false statistics anymore.
Ram
[QUOTE=Rampana; 1108149]The number of HIV infections is NOT lower than in other asian coun tries (except maybe Thailand and India) but it is KEPT low by Phil. Government due to some very good sounding reason.
Think about this. The report of increase of HIV cases is nothing new, it is just as they cannot keep their false statistics anymore.
Ram[/QUOTE]Do you have evidence for this assertion?
For example, if it were true, then there would be suspiciously high numbers of people coming home to other countries with HIV. The Phils Govt MIGHT be able to hide their own statistics, but if for example, holidaymakers coming back to countries like the US, Germany, Australia, UK etc etc etc had a noticeable rate of infection, then the health authorities in those countries would be on the alert, and blow the whistle on the Phils Government. I am not aware of any such statistics. Perhaps you are though, and it would be interesting to see.
Is that happening? Or are you just expressing an opinion (which you are entitled to do, of course)?
[QUOTE=Rubberyman; 1108247]Do you have evidence for this assertion?
For example, if it were true, then there would be suspiciously high numbers of people coming home to other countries with HIV. The Phils Govt MIGHT be able to hide their own statistics, but if for example, holidaymakers coming back to countries like the US, Germany, Australia, UK etc etc etc had a noticeable rate of infection, then the health authorities in those countries would be on the alert, and blow the whistle on the Phils Government. I am not aware of any such statistics. Perhaps you are though, and it would be interesting to see.
Is that happening? Or are you just expressing an opinion (which you are entitled to do, of course)? [/QUOTE]It is important to recognise that there are many incentives for governments and NGOs to inflate figures such as HIV, trafficking etc, because it increases the likelihood of donor funding.
There is no benefit for you to assert that the numbers in one country are more / less than the numbers in another.
If you are going to make these claims, say where you got the information, total number of reported infections in the selected year, how many HIV cases arose from intravenous drug users, how many from homosexuals, and how many from heterosexual activity.
For example, figures for Australia are commonly reported as being about 1100 or 1200 reported infections for the year. These are the figures that the Australian government uses in its fear campaign to convince everybody to use condoms.
But if you dig a bit deeper, you find that after homosexuals are discarded, then intravenous drug users, there are only 5 actual cases arising from plain heterosexual sex. Only 5, in a population of about 20 milliion. That would equate to about 25 in the population of the Philippines.
And there are far more prostitutes per head of population in Australia than there are in the Philippines.
When you have the equivalent numbers of HIV infections from heterosexual sex for the Phils, then report them here.
Until then, your assertions, or gross numbers are worthless.
G
Westerners are notoriously bad at negotiation for a purchase price, for almost anything.
We are particularly bad at negotiating with asians. And there is a general expectation that we will always pay more, because we are rich foreigners. And we are very impatient, we want to do the deal on the spot, quick time.
However, if we negotiate asian style, we will eventually strike a fair price.
My Aussie mate, B lives in Cavite. He asked me to come with him one day to check out a house that he was thinking of buying. It was a very big place, I think 5 bedrooms, and came with a spare vacant lot next door. It needed quite a lot of maintenance.
The owner set the price at 8 million pesos. My mate's counter offer was 5 million. The owner threw his hands in the air, no way.
B waited, and 9 months later, the owner changed, and accepted the 5 million offer.
Deal done, everyone was happy. The key was to hold his ground and to not hurry.
G
[QUOTE=Gangles;1108553]It is important to recognise that there are many incentives for governments and NGOs to inflate figures such as HIV, trafficking etc, because it increases the likelihood of donor funding.[/QUOTE]I mentioned once before; not a made up story, but a true one: Some african countries get so much money for HIV prevention, and every HIV related death leads to more funding. So much so, it had become fashionable in some villages to declare the dead as HIV related death, as the familiy of the dead (who may have simply died of improper basic medical care or even a road accident) get enough money for their health and what not, and with the in-betweens skimming of atleast half, they have made it a point that almost 50% of the deaths in those villages must be HIV related. Dumb donors keep pumping more money.
In a similar vein, an asian country had apparently declared itself almost 100% liiterate (99. 7 = rounded to 100%) and suddenly the Finance minister had frantically called and told the education minister to bring down to 70% and blame the numbers of 'faulty intepretation of data'. Apparently, Japan funds this Asian country to the tune of about 100 Mil US per year purely for education and schooling assistance, and the finance minister realised that the country will be shooting itself out of this 'aid' money, if they declare themselves literate. No. This too is not a made up story.
[QUOTE=Gangles;1108555]And there is a general expectation that we will always pay more, because we are rich foreigners. [/QUOTE]I would correct this to trend being the most prevalent in Philippines, unlike any other asian country. You take Malaysia, Indonesia, or Singapore, or even Thailand, they expect more because they want a better deal, unlike filipinos who not just think that foreigners must pay more but also openly say it. That foreigners are rich and hence must be prepared to pay more.
[QUOTE=Gangles; 1108553]It is important to recognise that there are many incentives for governments and NGOs to inflate figures such as HIV, trafficking etc, because it increases the likelihood of donor funding.
There is no benefit for you to assert that the numbers in one country are more / less than the numbers in another.
If you are going to make these claims, say where you got the information, total number of reported infections in the selected year, how many HIV cases arose from intravenous drug users, how many from homosexuals, and how many from heterosexual activity.
For example, figures for Australia are commonly reported as being about 1100 or 1200 reported infections for the year. These are the figures that the Australian government uses in its fear campaign to convince everybody to use condoms.
But if you dig a bit deeper, you find that after homosexuals are discarded, then intravenous drug users, there are only 5 actual cases arising from plain heterosexual sex. Only 5, in a population of about 20 milliion. That would equate to about 25 in the population of the Philippines.
And there are far more prostitutes per head of population in Australia than there are in the Philippines.
When you have the equivalent numbers of HIV infections from heterosexual sex for the Phils, then report them here.
Until then, your assertions, or gross numbers are worthless.
G[/QUOTE]
@Gangles.
If you really want to deepen this topic go to WHO-website and dig yourself for more statistics.
I am allowed to share my personal opinion. Period.
OKIE??????
[QUOTE=Rampana; 1108570]@Gangles.
If you really want to deepen this topic go to WHO-website and dig yourself for more statistics.
I am allowed to share my personal opinion. Period.
OKIE? [/QUOTE]I think that you have misunderstood Gangles' use of the word 'you'. He was using it in the impersonal sense since he actually replied to my post about your comments. Hence the implication of impersonal use.
Ie Man kann etwas denken. Can be translated as "ONE can think something" or it can be translated as "YOU (impersonal) can think something". However, YOU (personal) is not the same as YOU (impersonal) , and you should not take offense. In the sentence "When you have the equivalent numbers... etc" the correct translation to German would start "Wenn man hat... usw" NOT "Wenn Sie haben... usw"
However, it would also be wise in future if you express an opinion, that you should state that it is your opinion rather than imply that it is a fact. (I say wise, not because you have to do it, rather that people will challenge you otherwise).
You made a serious accusation of falsification of figures by the Philippines Government. If it is an opinion, then that is fair enough. However you stated it as if it were a fact. That is something else.
Yes we could look up the WHO figures. But since you had made such a definite statement, it was reasonable to assume that you could quote the figures from which you arrived at that statement.
Now we know that it was just your opinion, and not necessarily backed up with any hard facts, that is quite ok. No problems as far as I am concerned.
[QUOTE=Gangles; 1108555]Westerners are notoriously bad at negotiation for a purchase price, for almost anything.
[/QUOTE]Its not that we are bad at negotiation, we just value our time and peace of mind more than our pocket change. For example the other day I was coming home from a new year celebration and hailed a taxi, the cabbie asked for a 50 peso on top of the meter tip cause he needs a new year present. Yea sure I could have argued for 20 minutes, or I could have slammed the door and waited 15 mins for another cab, but really is $1 worth fighting over? So I gave his 50 peso tip, said happy new year and got home, end of story.
For more expensive items, yea I bargain. If you are buying a car or house, know what the market value is, let the seller know what you are prepared to pay, and hold your ground. If he tries to jack up the price, hold your ground. Remember the power of bargain is with the person who cares less and is willing to walk away. A nice trick to use is to get a friend to send you a text message saying I can sell you house X and price Y. Then during negotiation you take out your phone and show the seller the text you got, tell him match this offer or I walk. Works quite well.
For July are under $1100 (Hawaiian Airlines, if you don't mind a 32-hour trip) , and under $1200 on several others. These are great prices for the US summertime.
[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1112289]For July are under $1100 (Hawaiian Airlines, if you don't mind a 32-hour trip) , and under $1200 on several others. These are great prices for the US summertime.[/QUOTE]To west coast
What is the stop over in Hawaii 32 hr is too damn long, I think you should able to get a flight on Cathay pacific for around 1100 USD round trip inc tax in July and they have 3 flight a day to HKG and 7 flight a day to manila most stop over in HK is only 1 hr.
Fast Eddie 48
A friend just sent me this joke. As we have a few antipodean members, I thought I would pass it on:D.
Billy was at school this morning and the teacher asked all the children what their fathers did for a living. All the typical answers came out, fireman, policeman, salesman, chippy, captain of industry etc, but Billy was being uncharacteristically quiet and so the teacher asked him about his father.
"My father is an exotic dancer in a gay club and takes off all his clothes in front of other men. Sometimes if the offer is really good, he'll go out with a man, rent a cheap hotel room and let them sleep with him."The teacher quickly set the other children some work and took little Billy aside to ask him if that was really true.
"No" said Billy,"He plays cricket for Australia but I was just too embarrassed to say."
Hahahaha. Never mind, you finally won something (Twenty20 match in Melbourne).
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1112908]<SNIP
"No" said Billy,"He plays cricket for Australia but I was just too embarrassed to say."[/QUOTE]I thought I had an agreement with FF and WR that there would be a truce on cricket jokes between you Poms and us Aussies.
Now it seems like even CS has to get in on the act too.
Oh well, we had 20 years of world dominance so I guess we can't begrudge you your 3 months of fun (because that's all it will be)
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1112921]I thought I had an agreement with FF and WR that there would be a truce on cricket jokes between you Poms and us Aussies.
Now it seems like even CS has to get in on the act too.
Oh well, we had 20 years of world dominance so I guess we can't begrudge you your 3 months of fun (because that's all it will be) [/QUOTE]Are you an Ozzie? I thought you was an extreme left wing Jock!
Hardly 20 years. Remember we RETAINED the Ashes and are the reigning Twenty20 world champions.
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1112939]Are you an Ozzie? I thought you was an extreme left wing Jock!
Hardly 20 years. Remember we RETAINED the Ashes and are the reigning Twenty20 world champions. [/QUOTE]Can we agree on 15 years? You would have to agree that the 1990s and early 21st century was possibly Australia's most successful period, unbeaten in all Ashes series played bar the famous 2005 series and achieving a hat-trick of World Cups. I mean. Good teams win things. Great teams sustain that success.
We were awful though weren't we? If I mongered like we played cricket I'd be giving handjobs to trannies every time I left my house.
Hey guys!
It's been quite a while since I was able to travel to the Philippines, and the last time I did, it was from Korea. Now, I'm locked up in sex prison (A. K. A. The United States) , and desperately needing another trip to monger paradise. I know that some members here make multiple trips across the big pond, and wondered if anyone would like to share some recent information on where they buy their tickets. I have tried many searches on the internet, and most come up with prices near $1, 500 for a round trip economy class seat. That price level seems like it should be at least business class! I must serve out my sentence before I can take conjugal leave in June / July. I will be traveling from the area near Lexington, KY. If anyone knows of a travel agent with good prices, please let me know.
Thanks!
HW
Hairy,
Try
[url]http://www.onetravel.com/[/url]
To get a good idea of the possibilities and prices.
Like you I have found direct travel to Manila from a non hub American city to be expensive. Try booking to Hong Kong instead. Then buy a separate ticket a day or two later on Air Asia or Cebu Air to PI. I think it will save you a couple hundred dollars. Hong Kong is a good town to fool around in for a couple of days and work off your jet lag.
[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder; 1113422]Hey guys!
It's been quite a while since I was able to travel to the Philippines, and the last time I did, it was from Korea. Now, I'm locked up in sex prison (A. K. A. The United States) , and desperately needing another trip to monger paradise. I know that some members here make multiple trips across the big pond, and wondered if anyone would like to share some recent information on where they buy their tickets. I have tried many searches on the internet, and most come up with prices near $1, 500 for a round trip economy class seat. That price level seems like it should be at least business class! I must serve out my sentence before I can take conjugal leave in June / July. I will be traveling from the area near Lexington, KY. If anyone knows of a travel agent with good prices, please let me know.
Thanks!
HW[/QUOTE]I found under $1200 on sidestep in June (from San Fran and Los Angeles to Manila), typically the higher time of year; often I see $1600 at that time of year. Also closer in time at Easter under $983. $928 in March.
NB and WC,
Thanks for the information! I will check out your suggestions. Unfortunately, I am limited to the summer months, as I have custody of my school age kids. Hopefully, I can work it out where they will spend the summer with their mother, and thus leaving me that time to have my fun.
I did stumble across this web site [url]http://www.wholesale-flights.com/index.php[/url]. A search for flights from Lexington to Manila during the month of July, showed prices ranging from $600 to $1200. Has anybody had any experience with this site?
HW
[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1113460]I found under $1200 on sidestep in June (from San Fran and Los Angeles to Manila), typically the higher time of year; often I see $1600 at that time of year. Also closer in time at Easter under $983. $928 in March.[/QUOTE]I live in Anchorage so I am lucky enough to have a one stop flight to Manila on China Airlines. Its a little more expensive that from the west coast. When I booked my Feb trip last November I paid $1200. Its Anchorage- Taipei- Manila. I did find other cheaper fares via Seattle and Tokyo for around $1000 but I despise travelling for 22 hours versus 13.
One thing to note about China Airlines is that the flight I use to Taipei originates at JFK. So it might me worthwhile to check this itinerary out for those of you on the east coast.
Check their website frequently as they run web specials all the time. For example, they have a LA to manila special right now Feb 1- April 30 for $810 plus tax.
[url]http://www.china-airlines.com/en/index.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder; 1113484]NB and WC,
Thanks for the information! I will check out your suggestions. Unfortunately, I am limited to the summer months, as I have custody of my school age kids. Hopefully, I can work it out where they will spend the summer with their mother, and thus leaving me that time to have my fun.
I did stumble across this web site.
[url]http://www.wholesale-flights.com/index.php[/url]
A search for flights from Lexington to Manila during the month of July, showed prices ranging from $600 to $1200. Has anybody had any experience with this site?
HW[/QUOTE]HW: I have seen prices in the $600's before, but only in the low (off) seasons of Feb-March, and Sept-Oct. However, not seeing those rates for those times currently (to get those prices normally you have to purchase many months in advance). Anytime you are under $1000 its a good deal. Normally in June / July / early August its $1500-2000.
Gents,
Anyone can recommend a reliable site to send flowers / choclates in the Phils? I was staying this past weekend at a beach resort in Lapu Lapu and one of the girls at the reception working there was the most beautiful girl I've seen in my 3 weeks in the Phils and one of the top 3 most beautifuls in my current 3 months trip in Asia. Think tall, model figures and a baby doll perfect face. So I'd appreciate any suggestions for a good reliable site to send her a little gift.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Sprite13; 1113711]Gents,
Anyone can recommend a reliable site to send flowers / choclates in the Phils? I was staying this past weekend at a beach resort in Lapu Lapu and one of the girls at the reception working there was the most beautiful girl I've seen in my 3 weeks in the Phils and one of the top 3 most beautifuls in my current 3 months trip in Asia. Think tall, model figures and a baby doll perfect face. So I'd appreciate any suggestions for a good reliable site to send her a little gift.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Go to [url]www.pldtonline.com[/url] And register. Use them.
Bit expensive. For example, a 1000 peso Shopping voucher costs like 1, 500. But, they do door-step delivery, reliable, and owned by PLDT.
And alternate is [url]http://www.myayala.com/[/url]. Also reliable and trusted, and tested. But delivery is not fast as PLDT.
I wouldn't want to trust others.
BTW, it is nicer to send an SM Shopping voucher. Sort of a pre-paid card which allows people to use when they buy and no condition to finish it in one go.unlike some other shopping cards. A 1000 peso card goes a long way.
[QUOTE=Sprite13; 1113711]Gents,
Anyone can recommend a reliable site to send flowers / choclates in the Phils? I was staying this past weekend at a beach resort in Lapu Lapu and one of the girls at the reception working there was the most beautiful girl I've seen in my 3 weeks in the Phils and one of the top 3 most beautifuls in my current 3 months trip in Asia. Think tall, model figures and a baby doll perfect face. So I'd appreciate any suggestions for a good reliable site to send her a little gift.
Thanks. [/QUOTE]I live in the Phils and use this site. My son used it from Australia to send flowers to his mother here too and it worked very efficiently.
[url]http://www.islandrose.net/[/url]
[QUOTE=Sprite13; 1113711]Gents,
Anyone can recommend a reliable site to send flowers / choclates in the Phils? I was staying this past weekend at a beach resort in Lapu Lapu and one of the girls at the reception working there was the most beautiful girl I've seen in my 3 weeks in the Phils and one of the top 3 most beautifuls in my current 3 months trip in Asia. Think tall, model figures and a baby doll perfect face. So I'd appreciate any suggestions for a good reliable site to send her a little gift.
Thanks. [/QUOTE]Best to do things like this through a local florist, as the internet sites usually charge 3x as much. I've sent a dozen roses delivered for P500 earlier this month. Unfortunately not in Cebu. Hopefully another monger has some good contact information for Cebu florists.
[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder; 1113422]Hey guys!
That price level seems like it should be at least business class! I must serve out my sentence before I can take conjugal leave in June / July.
Thanks!
HW[/QUOTE]Hairy,
I was there last June / July. I found June to be a much better time for women and the monger scene in general. Can't really explain why, but it seemed all the regular places were very empty in July whereas they were teaming with women in June. Just my two cents.
Me thinks my post evoporated.
I use [url]www.pldtonline.com[/url] And [url]www.myayala.com[/url]. Both reliable, no scam, and on time delivery. Especially the PLDT deliveries. Use LBC.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1113490]HW: I have seen prices in the $600's before, but only in the low (off) seasons of Feb-March, and Sept-Oct. However, not seeing those rates for those times currently (to get those prices normally you have to purchase many months in advance). Anytime you are under $1000 its a good deal. Normally in June / July / early August its $1500-2000.[/QUOTE]To West coast
You are not going to see those fare again 600 USD fare round trip US to Manila day is over maybe 10 yr ago, high fuel cost how days even slow season the lowest you will get is around 920 USD with oil cost will go up this summer might be a good idea to book ahead.
Fast Eddie 48
Hey all, need some help from long timers in the Phils. Do the Philippines celebrate the Chinese New Year? Planning on visiting Philippines and Subic around early Feb time frame which is the Chinese New Years time. In other area of world where they do celebrate CNY the working chicks are usually off and back home. Would hate to go there and find the pickings slim because all the chicks went home. Just want to make sure I won't run into that problem visiting Philippines during that time frame.
Thank you very much gents for your very helpful suggestions. I'm going to check them out.
BTW, how would you rate [url]http://philflora.com?[/url]
Econo Tech, very good suggestion for a SM shopping card!
Thanks a bunch again guys!
Cheers.
[QUOTE=Devils 1; 1113793]Hairy,
I was there last June / July. I found June to be a much better time for women and the monger scene in general. Can't really explain why, but it seemed all the regular places were very empty in July whereas they were teaming with women in June. Just my two cents. [/QUOTE]For what it's worth, July is the wettest month of the year, and, despite La Nina, it is predicted to be very wet this year.
If weather patterns remain as crazy as they are in Eastern Australia, Visayas and Northern Mindanao, then who knows what sort of weather will occur this year in the PI.
At least we can assume Mt Pinatubo won't erupt. Errrr can't we?
[QUOTE=Fluffy Bud;1114023]Do the Philippines celebrate the Chinese New Year?[/QUOTE]They will celebrate anything as long as you are footing the bill. .
[QUOTE]In other area of world where they do celebrate CNY the working chicks are usually off and back home.[/QUOTE]I know what you mean, I live in such a country. Come CNY. You are totally dependant on the Filipinas, and nothing much. Even the Thai / Viet / Cambo disappear into the woodworks.
For Phil? No. There would be no noticeable drop in the 'chicks'.
I have had a fantasy about finding a pair of identical twin sisters to play with.
Has anyone run into any twins in their pooning experiences?
[QUOTE=Vandaddio; 1114386]I have had a fantasy about finding a pair of identical twin sisters to play with.
Has anyone run into any twins in their pooning experiences? [/QUOTE]Lovely thought but I think a fantasy is all it will remain. Had genuine sisters here in the The Philippines, but they were not twins.
There are a pair of genuine twins work out of an escort agency in Manchester if you are ever in UK, but they are high end escorts and therefore pretty pricey.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1114087]For what it's worth, July is the wettest month of the year, and, despite La Nina, it is predicted to be very wet this year.
If weather patterns remain as crazy as they are in Eastern Australia, Visayas and Northern Mindanao, then who knows what sort of weather will occur this year in the PI.
At least we can assume Mt Pinatubo won't erupt. Errrr can't we? [/QUOTE]Just to add to my earlier post, check out this link on today's news.
[url]http://ph.news.yahoo.com/ann/20110120/tph-it-s-going-to-be-a-rainy-summer-no-d-fb8bb4f.html[/url]
It looks like it will be a wet summer too (March, April, May) for those contemplating visits
[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1114442]It looks like it will be a wet summer too (March, April, May) for those contemplating visits[/QUOTE]Weather patterns are fucked everywhere so why should The Philippines escape. It pissed it down in Manila this afternoon. It very rarely rains in January which is the middle of the cool, dry season. It was also quite warm and humid (its been deliciously cool recently) so I wouldn't be surprised if the hot season didn't start early this year, maybe next month.
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1114508]Weather patterns are fucked everywhere so why should The Philippines escape. It pissed it down in Manila this afternoon. It very rarely rains in January which is the middle of the cool, dry season. It was also quite warm and humid (its been deliciously cool recently) so I wouldn't be surprised if the hot season didn't start early this year, maybe next month.[/QUOTE]I've just spent a couple of freezing weeks on the East Coast of the US. It's been my first trip back in almost seven years, and I had forgotten the reality of winter, of the days when the higes reach. 2. I don't think I will ever again complain of heat or rain, if my alternative is freezing cold and acres of snow.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1114512]I've just spent a couple of freezing weeks on the East Coast of the US.[/QUOTE]GE,
I was back in Wisconsin in November and it was similar.
Such weather reminds me of that great Tom Waits line about Wisconsin in his song The Heart of a Saturday Night when he describes it as "colder than a well-digger's ass".
[QUOTE=Fluffy Bud;1114023]Hey all, need some help from long timers in the Phils. Do the Philippines celebrate the Chinese New Year? Planning on visiting Philippines and Subic around early Feb time frame which is the Chinese New Years time. In other area of world where they do celebrate CNY the working chicks are usually off and back home. Would hate to go there and find the pickings slim because all the chicks went home. Just want to make sure I won't run into that problem visiting Philippines during that time frame.[/QUOTE]To Fluffy
I was in Manila last CNY was in China for business alot of crack down there so I sent to PI for a week, they don't celebrate CNY much maybe in Manila chinatown they have lion dance, not many Chinese go to Manila now after the HK hostage killing last year, this time of year the weather is good and less tourist.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1112289]For July are under $1100 (Hawaiian Airlines, if you don't mind a 32-hour trip) , and under $1200 on several others. These are great prices for the US summertime.[/QUOTE]I took Hawaiian Airlines to the Phils in October of 2009 flying from Las Vegas to Manila. Actually, the flight was only 23 hours in total even with the 6 hour layover in Honolulu. Perhaps their flights from other cities take longer. Also, I got in a special fare ($600) for fall travel.
I was quite pleased with flight and process of moving through Honolulu International Airport. Everything went quite smoothly, but I will say the food served during the flights was basic at best. But, considering the low cost, I couldn't complain.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1114442]Just to add to my earlier post, check out this link on today's news.
[url]http://ph.news.yahoo.com/ann/20110120/tph-it-s-going-to-be-a-rainy-summer-no-d-fb8bb4f.html[/url]
It looks like it will be a wet summer too (March, April, May) for those contemplating visits[/QUOTE]The powers that be are not telling the complete picture. Its going to be an Ice Age in couple of years. No kidding or conspiracy. Proven fact now.
Check this out.
[url]www.iceagenow.com[/url]
Also,
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jEE1_0i_rY[/url]
Al Gore and cabel already knew a decade ago we are heading towards an ice age. The whole charade of global warming and debate is to throw us off the real issue so that we would not "PREPARE" for what is coming. If we had prepared for ice age 5 years back. Europe and America would not have to go though the misery that it went last month.
You have been warmed. No excuse. Americans and Europeans if they love their family and themselves should start preparing for the ice age or move towards the equator or be freezed for ever by 2012.
Good Luck
[QUOTE=Starchild2012;1115076]You have been warmed.[/QUOTE]....and now we will be chilled:).
Thought everybody was warning about global warming. I didn't realize that this was a subterfuge to get us all buying Hawaiian shirts when, in reality, we should have been getting thermals.
Gent;
I am planning a first trip to Angeles city and Manila. I hold a USA passport so I can travel to P. I. without Visa for a short time staying.
The Question is the immigrations in Manila Airport accept the E ticket travel schedule as proof of my departure out P. I.
Also, the security guard will let me go through the airport door on the return trip.
Thank you in advance,
[QUOTE=Tratnguyen1; 1115352]Gent;
I am planning a first trip to Angeles city and Manila. I hold a USA passport so I can travel to P. I. Without Visa for a short time staying.
The Question is the immigrations in Manila Airport accept the E ticket travel schedule as proof of my departure out P. I.
Also, the security guard will let me go through the airport door on the return trip.
Thank you in advance, [/QUOTE]Quick reply is Yes and Yes.
Rarely are you asked to show the return ticket by immigration (make sure you have a print out of the e ticket)
[QUOTE=Tratnguyen1; 1115352]Gent;
I am planning a first trip to Angeles city and Manila. I hold a USA passport so I can travel to P. I. Without Visa for a short time staying.
The Question is the immigrations in Manila Airport accept the E ticket travel schedule as proof of my departure out P. I.
Also, the security guard will let me go through the airport door on the return trip.
Thank you in advance, [/QUOTE]There are no more paper tickets in the commercial airline industry so the its official receipt (even if coming from an Internet bought tkt) is a valid instrument.
Guys should note the following and print it out so you can have it for reference when some driver tries to scam you.
Beginning January 24 the LTFRB is calibrating and adjusting meters in Taxis for the new fares.
New Flag Down Fare is 40 PHP (up from of 30PHP)
New rate per 300 m is 3. 5 PHP (up from 2. 5 PHP)
First batch (until February 14th) of taxis will be only those with plate numbers ending in 1 and 6 on.
Note carefully that only taxis with meters that can issue receipts will be calibrated for the new fares.
All other Taxis (which have not been calibrated yet) are not allowed to charge the new fare and taxis with old meters that are not able to issue receipts will not be allowed to charge the new fares at all.
Taxis already calibrated will have a yellow LTFRB sticker on the left side of their windshields.
So those clapped.out taxis with the old meters will NEVER be able to charge the new rates. Don't believe them if they tell you they can.
NB. These rules may well be modified for taxis elsewhere in the Phils (Cebu and Davao)
[QUOTE=Tratnguyen1; 1115352]Gent;
I am planning a first trip to Angeles city and Manila. I hold a USA passport so I can travel to P. I. Without Visa for a short time staying.
The Question is the immigrations in Manila Airport accept the E ticket travel schedule as proof of my departure out P. I.
Also, the security guard will let me go through the airport door on the return trip.
Thank you in advance, [/QUOTE]The airline clerk in the US will ask you to show proof (your itinerary/E-ticket) of your flight out of the Philippines.
Immigration in the Philippines should not ask you to show them anything (except your passport and arrival card).
When you leave, the security guard at the airport will ask to see your flight itinerary/E-ticket to enter the airport.
Last September was in manila headed back to USA Had to pay a exit fee at the airport. I can't remember how much it was. Can anybody help me? For some reason I remember 750 peso, but not sure. Thanks in advance.
Manila, Philippines (CNN). A powerful bomb exploded on a passenger bus Tuesday afternoon in Manila's financial district, killing four people and injuring 15 others, police said.
"It's a huge explosion; it's so huge that it created a hole at the side of bus where it is presumed that the bomb was placed," said Makati Police Chief Froilan Bonifacio.
Bonifacio said the explosion occurred around 2 pm.
The bus, owned by Newman Bus Lines, was approaching a Metro Rail Transit station on Buendia Avenue in Makati City, Manila's financial district, when it blew up.
The area has been placed on high alert, according to Makati Mayor Jejomar Binay Jr, who arrived on the scene a short time after the blast. He said most of the victims were taken to nearby hospitals for treatment.
"We are still trying to determine what kind of bomb was used," Bonifacio said.
An initial investigation showed the explosive device could have been placed under a seat on the bus, he said.
[QUOTE=Mackin;1116250]Last September was in manila headed back to USA Had to pay a exit fee at the airport. I can't remember how much it was. Can anybody help me? For some reason I remember 750 peso, but not sure. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Mackin. You are correct 750p tax.
P
For whatever this is worth, all expats who work for us here are forbidden to take any form of mass public transit under any circumstances. This rule has been in effect, within my company, for more than 15 years. The fact is that violence can and does occur here anywhere, at any time given the large number of organized and semi-organized insurrectionist groups, whose actions are not always limited to remote, rural areas. As indicated by the prior poster, the violence can strike even in the heart of the country's richest enclave of wealth and power.
Avoiding mass transit, which is often the target of the fanatics who care nothing for human life is simply prudent.
GE.
[QUOTE=Devils 1; 1116276]Manila, Philippines (CNN). A powerful bomb exploded on a passenger bus Tuesday afternoon in Manila's financial district, killing four people and injuring 15 others, police said.
"It's a huge explosion; it's so huge that it created a hole at the side of bus where it is presumed that the bomb was placed," said Makati Police Chief Froilan Bonifacio.
Bonifacio said the explosion occurred around 2 pm.
The bus, owned by Newman Bus Lines, was approaching a Metro Rail Transit station on Buendia Avenue in Makati City, Manila's financial district, when it blew up.
The area has been placed on high alert, according to Makati Mayor Jejomar Binay Jr, who arrived on the scene a short time after the blast. He said most of the victims were taken to nearby hospitals for treatment.
"We are still trying to determine what kind of bomb was used," Bonifacio said.
An initial investigation showed the explosive device could have been placed under a seat on the bus, he said. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GreenBud;1116155]The airline clerk in the US will ask you to show proof (your itinerary/E-ticket) of your flight out of the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Correct:
[QUOTE]Immigration in the Philippines should not ask you to show them anything (except your passport and arrival card).[/QUOTE]Slightly WRONG. You must show your confirmed e-ticket / itin- for your return flight, as you are coming in as a tourist and you must show proof of departure in terms of a valid ticket. It is not a case of "Should" but any immigration officer in any country. While doing a visa-on-arrival, are legally required to check return flight / departure travel info.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1116326]For whatever this is worth, all expats who work for us here are forbidden to take any form of mass public transit under any circumstances. This rule has been in effect, within my company, for more than 15 years. The fact is that violence can and does occur here anywhere, at any time given the large number of organized and semi-organized insurrectionist groups, whose actions are not always limited to remote, rural areas. As indicated by the prior poster, the violence can strike even in the heart of the country's richest enclave of wealth and power.
Avoiding mass transit, which is often the target of the fanatics who care nothing for human life is simply prudent.
GE. [/QUOTE]I agree with GE.
I have been watching this story on the news last night and again today.
The death toll is now 5.
One girl has both legs blown off.
Manila MRT and bus travellers are all very scared right now because there are tips of still more to come.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech;1116380]Slightly WRONG. You must show your confirmed e-ticket / itin- for your return flight, as you are coming in as a tourist and you must show proof of departure in terms of a valid ticket. It is not a case of "Should" but any immigration officer in any country. While doing a visa-on-arrival, are legally required to check return flight / departure travel info.[/QUOTE]I was talking about reality. That's why I wrote "should"; but technically they can demand proof; maybe if you look susupicious. Wondering how they treat the Africans.
In my numerous travels, I have never been asked to show a return ticket by Philippine immigration. Also never observed them asking anyone for a return ticket.
[QUOTE=GreenBud;1116411]I was talking about reality. That's why I wrote "should"; but technically they can demand proof; maybe if you look susupicious. Wondering how they treat the Africans.[/QUOTE]On a bad-hari day, they do that to everybody. . .[QUOTE]In my numerous travels, I have never been asked to show a return ticket by Philippine immigration. Also never observed them asking anyone for a return ticket.[/QUOTE]Yes, but Better safe than sorry.
Cheers
[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1116411]I was talking about reality. That's why I wrote "should"; but technically they can demand proof; maybe if you look susupicious. Wondering how they treat the Africans.
In my numerous travels, I have never been asked to show a return ticket by Philippine immigration. Also never observed them asking anyone for a return ticket. [/QUOTE]They asked me to show my return ticket when I went last December.
Good job I'd printed it, as I don; t normally do that.
[QUOTE=Steve Dubai; 1116423]They asked me to show my return ticket when I went last December.
Good job I'd printed it, as I don; t normally do that. [/QUOTE]I am a permanent resident here and in the past 12 months I have had 4 return flights back to the Philippines. At each departure (from Australia, from Incheon, from Bangkok and from Singapore back to Manila) I have been asked for my on-ticket out of Manila.
I can show my ICR Card to show that I have permission to stay and they are cool with that.
Maybe it is a bit arbitrary if some guys say they have never been asked, but by today's standards that is quite unusual. Just remember that the rules of international travel keep changing and I think it makes sense to have your return ticket with you. You might get a very rude (and expensive) surprise if you have to buy your ticket out of Manila at any international airport in order to catch your flight to Manila (or Cebu or Clark).
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1116395]I agree with GE.
Manila MRT and bus travellers are all very scared right now because there are tips of still more to come. [/QUOTE]I understand the fear that exists right now because intelligence reports are warning that there may be more attacks.
On the other hand, there's the logic of not allowing employees of GE's company to ride public transportation in the Philippines for the last 15 years?
Here is the apparent terrorism toll in Metro Manila since some time in 2002:
2002: a bomb goes off in a bus in Quezon City, killing 3 people.
2004: a bomb goes off on a ferry in Manila Bay, killing about 113.
2005: a bomb goes off in a bus in Makati, killing 3 people.
2007: a bomb goes off in Glorietta Mall (note: not public transit) , killing 11 people.
2011: a bomb goes off in a bus in Makati, killing 5 people.
In a single day in September 2001 two airplanes plow into and demolish the Twin Towers in New York City, killing approximately 2, 750 people. Current population of the metropolitan New York area is about 19. 7M. Population of Metro Manila is 16. 3M. So go ahead and do the math comparing the probabilities over the past ten years of being killed by terrorists on public transit in Manila as against being killed by terrorists in New York City.
Considering how few Filipino families own cars, there must be several million people who travel by bus, LRT, and jeepney in Metro Manila every day. So plug those numbers into the probabilities of being killed by terrorists on a mass transit vehicle in Metro Manila. And is there evidence of foreign nationals specifically being targeted by the Abu Sayyaf or other Philippine terrorists? In Zamboanga or the Sulu Archipelago, sure, because ransom rather than killing may be the goal. And, yes, about 12 years ago two American missionaries were abducted. But from an island resort near Puerto Princesa, and taken by boat to Western Mindanao. And one was killed -- during an assault by American and Philippine military forces.
Don't get me wrong. I'm upset about the bus bombing too. But I'm more pissed than frightened. I'm pissed because I was making arrangements to bring a group of young people to a safe area in Manila for a few weeks in 2012. But now I suspect my employer will give it the kibosh. Why? Because executives are risk-averse when it comes to decisions that hint of any kind of minimal liability. Do they have similar prohibitions against travel to New York City. Hell no. Why? Differences in perception. Because, after all, since 9/11 we've jacked up security and closed the opportunity gaps that terrorists have, right? BS! The underwear bomber was overtaken by other passengers, not because of airport security. And the would-be Times Square bomber was stopped, not because of heightened security capabilities, but because a streetside vendor told police he thought something looked suspicious. The police barely caught the guy before the international flight he'd gotten onto was about to take off.
So I understand GE's company's stance for avoiding any potential risk of liability, but as a logic for the average monger traveling in the Metro Manila area to need to avoid public transit? For the time being, sure, but in the longer term, I don't think so.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1116430]I am a permanent resident here and in the past 12 months I have had 4 return flights back to the Philippines. At each departure (from Australia, from Incheon, from Bangkok and from Singapore back to Manila) I have been asked for my on-ticket out of Manila.
I can show my ICR Card to show that I have permission to stay and they are cool with that.
Maybe it is a bit arbitrary if some guys say they have never been asked, but by today's standards that is quite unusual. Just remember that the rules of international travel keep changing and I think it makes sense to have your return ticket with you. You might get a very rude (and expensive) surprise if you have to buy your ticket out of Manila at any international airport in order to catch your flight to Manila (or Cebu or Clark).[/QUOTE]Cebu pacific air has given me the most grief about tickets. I understand they can be fined if they don't insure the.
Passenger has onward ticket.
I had the I card in Bangkok and they accepted that. But I always carry an onward out of Philippines ticket now.
Also if you travel with a filipina you need to show a return ticket for her.
Being from america I get spoiled that many times they just assume you will have the funds and the freedom to travel without restrictions.
[QUOTE=Steve Dubai; 1116423]They asked me to show my return ticket when I went last December.
Good job I'd printed it, as I don; t normally do that. [/QUOTE]Do you look African? . . (Nah- just taking a dig at the poster who said "should". "Maybe".
The logic follows from the fact that we've been doing business here for a very long time, since the time, in fact, when Manila was significantly more dangerous than it is now and we would rather operate on the basis of prudence than statistics. This is a third world country in which disagreements are often settled violently and with disastrous results for the innocents caught in the crossfire. Even if, in Manila, the violence is sporadic, that fact is that many terrorist attacks here target mass transit systems. So it makes sense, at least to me, to do you can to reduce the risk, however small.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1116497]The logic follows from the fact that we've been doing business here for a very long time, since the time, in fact, when Manila was significantly more dangerous than it is now and we would rather operate on the basis of prudence than statistics. This is a third world country in which disagreements are often settled violently and with disastrous results for the innocents caught in the crossfire. Even if, in Manila, the violence is sporadic, that fact is that many terrorist attacks here target mass transit systems. So it makes sense, at least to me, to do you can to reduce the risk, however small.
GE[/QUOTE]There is another logic to it as well.
My Government (Australian) also says do not use public transportation services anywhere as well as travel to most parts of Mindanao. My employers freak out if they learn that I have been on the MRT or a bus to anywhere or to Mindanao without having a platoon of security tracking me.
Their purpose is primarily to cover their backsides in the event that something happens to me.
They know full well that I will probably keep using buses and MRT (train) but at least they can say "we told him so" and they are immune to any subsequent charges of failure to ensure my safety.
I think there is a similar logic at play with GE and his company policy. It is also more easily understood in the case of Skip's dilemma too.
It is hard to get it right these days. You can roll the dice knowing that it is 95% likely that you WON'T be in a bomb blast, but the poor bastards on yesterday's bus were in the other 5%.
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1116438]I understand the fear that exists right now because intelligence reports are warning that there may be more attacks.[/QUOTE]Not saying anything bad, but this logic follows the Sri Lankan case. When there was a Bomb in the Sri Lankan capital, and 3 people died, and the BBC reporter was hell bent on making it a big news, the Foreign minister calmly replied that compared to the number who died in the July 2005 bombing, and the Irish bombings, there have been far less casualties in total in Sri Lanka. Or something to that effect. And went on to add that the average death due to car / road accidents / accidental shooting / mistaken shooting in terms of Ratio is almost four times or more in US compared to Sri Lanka. And yah, it is different death, but overall. The chance of dying in Sri Lanka is less than 1/4th compared to living in US. .
Well, shock sells news, and if you don't' sensationalise anything, news will not sell.
But then again, there are those who say a long period of terror with less deaths is more terrifying (like say 10 people died over.
Yesterday I met up with Madelyn at SM Mall in Cebu. I met her from DIA about 4 years ago, she was then aged 34 and had three kids. Her husband had been murdered in Lapu Lapu several years before and she had been left to raise her three kids alone all of whom have turned out remarkably well considering. Life for Madelyn was a daily struggle, and she inspired me how she was able to raise three kids, hold down a poorly paid job and devote her life to her kids. Now Madelyn was not really my type at all and she was certainly not in my target age range. However back then I had designs on her eldest daughter who was then aged 18 and after literally months and months of on line conversations and heaps of persuasion, she finally agreed to allow me a mother and daughter threesome. She agreed to do this out of financial necessity and because she also really liked me (poor girl) and I guess I exploited these vulnerabilities for my own peverted desires
Anyway after trying out the mother and daughter combo, I lost interest in them both in a sexual way but I maintained regular contact with them and I occasionally would send her some money. I always bring her and her kids gifts and treat them to dinner every time I am in Cebu. I don't have any ulterior motives for doing this, I just admire the way she works 6 days a week in a shoe factory, working 10-12 hours a days for about 6 thousand pesos. She has raised her three kids to be decent, honest and polite.
Anyway we meet up at the Mall for lunch and Madelyn has her youngest daughter in tow, now aged 14 and 5 months pregnant. Turns out she had a Pinoy boyfriend last year, went off the rails a little bit and lo and behold she is pregnant. There were lots of tears over lunch, apparently the doctor has said that because her kid is so young she is not physically abe to give birth in the normal way and she must have a caesarian. There are also problems with the baby, the teenage mom is carrying too much water in her womb and the baby has a cleft palate that was picked up during a recent ultra sound.
Of course all this costs money and who does she turn to for help. Mortman of course. It is only one of millions of hard luck stories that you can hear everyday in the Philippines but it is much more difficult to walk away when you know the people personally as I do. I told mom I would send some money before the baby is born but that they should not rely on me to take care of all their medical expenses. I feel like a cold hearted bastard because I know that that the young mother to be and her baby could end up in a life threatening situation if she does not have the right medical care, but I am reluctant to pay the 30, 000 pesos that is needed. The teenage father is as usual nowhere to be seen and in any case is as poor as Madelyn and her family.
I am not posting here because I really need any advice although feel free to make your own observations if you wish. I just thought the story highlights how any degree of personal involvement with people can actually lead us mongers to have to make some extremely difficult and heart breaking decisions. I am still sat here trying to make my own decision.
Mortman
[QUOTE=Mortman; 1116577]. How any degree of personal involvement with people can actually lead us mongers to have to make some extremely difficult and heart breaking decisions. I am still sat here trying to make my own decision.
Mortman. [/QUOTE]Use common sense, very difficult, I know, I would not like to be in your situation now.
You are too deeply involved into these family ties already.
Ram
[quote=goodenough;1116497]we would rather operate on the basis of prudence than statistics. this is a third world country in which disagreements are often settled violently and with disastrous results for the innocents caught in the crossfire. even if, in manila, the violence is sporadic, that fact is that many terrorist attacks here target mass transit systems. so it makes sense, at least to me, to do you can to reduce the risk, however small. ge[/quote]if it's about reducing risk, why wouldn't prudence be based on the odds of an event actually occurring? obviously i don't know the historical precedents nor the past and current thinking in those places in your company where these kinds of decisions get made. but for many people, including corporate executives, there are cognitive and emotional biases that sneak into judgments, which, once they've been committed to policy, take on a life of their own quite unrelated to the actual comparative risks. the odds of being killed in a private automobile in the united states are much greater than the odds of being killed by terrorists. in the philippines or the usa so why wouldn't it be prudent to discontinue riding in private automobiles in the usa?
i can't help thinking these disproportionate judgments are based on at least two factors. one is a faulty sense of control: when i drive my own car or ride with somebody i know well, i have the sense that everything is under control. terrorists, on the other hand, seem to be far beyond my immediate control. there are people who are terrified of flying, yet their odds of being killed in a plane crash are miniscule compared to the odds of being killed in their own private autos. but with the auto there's a sense of being under control (it's a faulty sense, of course, because we'e not in control of high speed blowouts or what others do behind the wheels of their cars) ; the plane, on the other hand, is not under the individual passenger's control.
a second factor that may enter the judgment processes is public contagion. it's called terrorism for a reason. it's not just conventional warfare in which we know the relative danger of moving into the enemy's rifle range. when terrorists engage in these activities, they are counting on innocent people creating their own distorted sense of fear. the fear becomes an effective weapon that far outstrips the actual capabilities of the terrorists themselves. and when a nation's leaders and cable news entertainers whip up the fear for political and commercial purposes, they effectively do the terrorists bidding for them. who can resist the contagion of fear then, when political leaders hype the "war on terror," which unfortunately has no clearly defined enemy and creates a potential for perpetual military action to advance the agenda of whoever controls the political microphone. is there any realistic alternative to a war on terror? well, yes: the british have defined terrorism as primarily a law enforcement problem to be engaged cooperatively with law enforcement officials in other countries.
i'm sorry for getting into my shrill soapbox behavior, but not sorry enough to delete what i just wrote. my point is, it's important to sort through judgment biases that end up masquerading as prudent logic.
Mort, I feel you. Am still involved with the x inlaws and my nieces and nephews there. Have a girl Alma with medical needs WR introduced me to. Am helping her some.
It is your money. Use it to make yourself feel good. Here, a suck and fuck is 160. 00 plus tip. So, say 200. 00. I ask myself if I would rather do good or get a nut. Then just jack off and send the money alot. Not always.
I like your info about walking in the sqautter areas. How the people will introduce you to their daughters. But then you and I know we can not care about them and then leave them living like that. Like you say 6kpeso raising 3 kids working 6 days a week. You have to admire that.
I thank you for posting your thoughts here. I support you. And respect you for doing so. RED
Skip makes some excellent points. Decisions are not in fact, based exclusively on the relative odds of something occurring. In our case, and in, I suspect the cases of lots of others working in the general area of development, there are political implications that must be considered. The fact is that a westerner getting killed in a random car accident is tragic for his family, but it's not big news and has no bilateral repercussions between the government here and a foreign aid donor government. A foreigner killed as a result of terrorism however does have, or could have major implications, all of them negative. Therefore, risk, even if not significant, must be minimized to the extent feasible. To carry Skip's analogy a step further, for us, riding in a car is unavoidable, but public transport system care avoidable. Therefore, we don't use them.
I'm truly sympathetic to Mortman's plight. The number of personal tragedies jere is overwheling, and if you live here, they're unavoidable. Reading about the statistics or even individual cases is one thing. Putting a face to a specific case however hits at the core of our humanity in a much more personal way. My response has been to focus any assistance I may be able to provide on a very few people whom I know and to recognize, in so doing, that I'm helpless to affect the great masses of people who are equally deserving. That is, you can male a difference in the lives of one or two people, but that's all you can do.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1116665]I'm truly sympathetic to Mortman's plight. The number of personal tragedies jere is overwheling, and if you live here, they're unavoidable. Reading about the statistics or even individual cases is one thing. Putting a face to a specific case however hits at the core of our humanity in a much more personal way. My response has been to focus any assistance I may be able to provide on a very few people whom I know and to recognize, in so doing, that I'm helpless to affect the great masses of people who are equally deserving. That is, you can male a difference in the lives of one or two people, but that's all you can do.
GE[/QUOTE]I feel for Mortman too. As GE says, it's one thing to read about it or to hear others talk about it, but it's entirely different when it's someone you know well. I remember my first time in the Phils: I was invited several times by different girls to visit their families and I refused because I didn't want any impression of getting involved with the girl, let alone the family. But there was one time I relented and visited a girl's family home in Pasay City because I liked that girl a lot. That visit hit me hard seeing how they lived and yet were still cheerful. I went back to my hotel being very thankful for my own situation and have been doing my best to never complain about my circumstances because there are billions who have it much harder than I do. Like those I subsequently visited in the provinces. I have long since split from that girl, but I still send the family some money at Christmas. At least they have not come to me with dead uncle funeral requests. I too am not sure what I would do if they came to me with a Mortman-like story. Good luck Mortman, whatever you decide.
[QUOTE=Mortman; 1116577]Of course all this costs money and who does she turn to for help. Mortman of course. It is only one of millions of hard luck stories that you can hear everyday in the Philippines but it is much more difficult to walk away when you know the people personally as I do. I told mom I would send some money before the baby is born but that they should not rely on me to take care of all their medical expenses. I feel like a cold hearted bastard because I know that that the young mother to be and her baby could end up in a life threatening situation if she does not have the right medical care, but I am reluctant to pay the 30, 000 pesos that is needed. The teenage father is as usual nowhere to be seen and in any case is as poor as Madelyn and her family.
Mortman[/QUOTE]Yes, been there done that, but, your case is a little different. She has a job that is paying fairly decent, all things considered. It's your decision alone to make, no one can fault which way you go. If you decide to help out, you truly are doing a good deed, but, also, you re continuing the plight of irresponsible people. The cycle will just continue. I have seen this many times. If you walk away, maybe giving a small amount, I think you can feel good that you tried to help but also, just maybe, you can break the cycle. If you give ANY amount, be prepared for the consequences, constant begging and lies, then other family members will come into play with begging and lies, etc. The more you try to help, the more lies and begging. As long as she is working, she can get a loan. Best of luck.
[QUOTE=Mortman; 1116577]I am not posting here because I really need any advice although feel free to make your own observations if you wish. I just thought the story highlights how any degree of personal involvement with people can actually lead us mongers to have to make some extremely difficult and heart breaking decisions. I am still sat here trying to make my own decision.
Mortman[/QUOTE]Hi Mortman, been reading your post. Thanks!
30, 000P is like $600 right? Not sure of your financial situation and this is only my thoughts. I'm a pervert too so don't take this the wrong way.
First of all thats pretty kinky and perverted to talk a Mother and Daughter into fucking together and it sounds like it still has weight on your soul even though you have done many things to help them after. If I was in your shoes and I could afford it I would drop the $600 just beacuse I could. You obvious care about the family so how whould you feel if there were complications after the birth? Would you spend the rest of your life wishing you would have dropped the $600? I'm sure there are self obsorbed people that would say otherwise. Either way you sound like a cool guy and I enjoy reading your posts.
Guys
Thanks for your observations. I have decided to make a meaningful contribution, probably around 15, 000. 20, 000 pesos. I want to help but don't want to be seen as a free ride every time some family emergency occurs and I already have other financial commitments in the way of Daisy my regular gf and her two kids.
I haven't been able to add further posts to the Cebu thread as I have been extremely ill these past few days with pancreatitis and laid up in bed with pain killers. Daisy god bless her came straight up from the province as soon as she heard I was not well and stayed with me last night at the Waterfront. I have a flight back to the UK today via Qatar and I pray to god I am fit enough to travel later this afternoon, I don't really want to be holed up in a hospital here unless it is completely unavoidable. Food is out of the question and I should be on an IV rather than drinking fluids orally, but again that means a visit to the hospital here in Cebu. I feel better than I did yesterday, for those that have ever had pancreatitis you will know how painful and debilitating it can be.
Mortman
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1116438]2007: a bomb goes off in Glorietta Mall (note: not public transit) , killing 11 people.[/QUOTE]I could swear the Philippine government ruled that the Glorietta explosion was not a bomb, but a diesel fuel truck parked in the basement parking garage. I was actually in the mall at the time of that explosion. :eek: Fortunately, I was in a different wing, with 2 cute little spinners to pull me outside. Once we stopped running one of them turned to me and asked "What are we going to do now?" Surprisingly, it didn't take more than a second for me to respond with "I think we should go back to my hotel." :D
[QUOTE=Mortman; 1116777]Guys
Thanks for your observations. I have decided to make a meaningful contribution, probably around 15, 000. 20, 000 pesos. I want to help but don't want to be seen as a free ride every time some family emergency occurs and I already have other financial commitments in the way of Daisy my regular gf and her two kids.
I haven't been able to add further posts to the Cebu thread as I have been extremely ill these past few days with pancreatitis and laid up in bed with pain killers. Daisy god bless her came straight up from the province as soon as she heard I was not well and stayed with me last night at the Waterfront. I have a flight back to the UK today via Qatar and I pray to god I am fit enough to travel later this afternoon, I don't really want to be holed up in a hospital here unless it is completely unavoidable. Food is out of the question and I should be on an IV rather than drinking fluids orally, but again that means a visit to the hospital here in Cebu. I feel better than I did yesterday, for those that have ever had pancreatitis you will know how painful and debilitating it can be.
Mortman[/QUOTE]Hey Mortman,
I hope you get better quick.
In regards to your topic, I hear you. It is tough to be involved with people in a more personal sense than just P4P. If you keep in touch with enough locals here, you will here sob stories. In your situation, it is tough and you really don't have anything to gain from your relationship it appears, but you've shown compassion for them. In this instance, for your own conscience, I think if you say as you said will give a portion of the costs, that you should tell them that there won't be anymore and you'll end your communications for your sake. I say this because it appears that after giving birth, that it won't end, as it is just the beginning. I myself have been trying to figure out what to do with someone I've been with many times and had a lot of feelings for, but realize there is no future who has problems just like pretty much the majority of people there and that it won't ever end. The weird thing is with this is there are others who you will keep in contact with and they don't ever ask or bring those things up. Some people just manage a little better. Anyway, hope all works out.
[QUOTE=Steve Dubai;1116423]Good job I'd printed it, as I don; t normally do that.[/QUOTE]Me neither, I've always managed to get inside the terminal as well without any printed ticket to return home. Something to make sure I do in future.
[QUOTE=Mortman; 1116777]Guys
Thanks for your observations. I have decided to make a meaningful contribution, probably around 15, 000. 20, 000 pesos.
Mortman[/QUOTE]That sounds like another good option you made.
Just make sure that THIS IS IT! That you cannot handle furthermore.
I wish you the best for your helth.
Get well soon.
Ram
[QUOTE=Mortman; 1116577]The teenage father is as usual nowhere to be seen and in any case is as poor as Madelyn and her family.
Mortman[/QUOTE]And The good old Church bless it, says there should be more and more children to make the world a happier place. Dumb irresponsible horny little Filipino boys with no more than a dick and some confidence swagger into untold number of girls panties, deposit their 60-80 years lasting greeting card then [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off.
These are the kids that the priests should claiming should rot in hell instead of all the other inanities that the priest rail against. Then again, what would a priest know. How many girls are on DIA because of a " mistake " and will Mr White boy marry me and look after Dumb Filipino boy's "mistake".
Mort, hope you feel better. Glad your girl came up to help. She is there for you allways. You lucky guy.
Get better soon. RED
[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1116880]And The good old Church bless it, says there should be more and more children to make the world a happier place. Dumb irresponsible horny little Filipino boys with no more than a dick and some confidence swagger into untold number of girls panties, deposit their 60-80 years lasting greeting card then [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off.
These are the kids that the priests should claiming should rot in hell instead of all the other inanities that the priest rail against. Then again, what would a priest know. How many girls are on DIA because of a " mistake " and will Mr White boy marry me and look after Dumb Filipino boy's "mistake". [/QUOTE]Well, in all fairness, most American teenage guys are equally irresponsible. Some of the blame should be on the mom for not watching her daughter's activities as closely as she should have.
[QUOTE=Mortman;1116777]I have decided to make a meaningful contribution, probably around 15, 000. 20, 000 pesos. I want to help but don't want to be seen as a free ride every time some family emergency occurs and I already have other financial commitments in the way of Daisy my regular gf and her two kids.[/QUOTE]Well, in the scheme of things, $400-$500 bucks is a small price to pay for a little peace of mind, as long as you make it clear that you cannot be a bottomless pit.
[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder;1116793]I could swear the Philippine government ruled that the Glorietta explosion was not a bomb, but a diesel fuel truck parked in the basement parking garage. I was actually in the mall at the time of that explosion. :eek: Fortunately, I was in a different wing, with 2 cute little spinners to pull me outside. Once we stopped running one of them turned to me and asked "What are we going to do now?" Surprisingly, it didn't take more than a second for me to respond with "I think we should go back to my hotel." :D[/QUOTE]LOL. Now that's what I call real Homeland Security.
Mort, hope you get better and have a safe trip home. I would have done the same. At the end of the day you don't want to be taken for a ride but obviously the story was legit and sometimes we should all give a little back. I don't support any organized charities LOL, but when I can I like to make a difference here or there. To me what you did is exactly that. You made a difference in someones life.
Does anybody remember the airport tax that they charge when you are leaviing?
[QUOTE=Mackin;1117358]Does anybody remember the airport tax that they charge when you are leaviing?[/QUOTE]It's 750 pesos for international destinations and 200 pesos for domestic. I believe they want the fee in pesos too. Just tuck away a 1, 000P bill from your trap money and you'll be fine.
[QUOTE=Mackin;1117358]Does anybody remember the airport tax that they charge when you are leaviing?[/QUOTE]In my last trip. 2010, the airport tax was 750 Php (international departures).
The departure tax remains at PhP750.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1117366]It's 750 pesos for international destinations and 200 pesos for domestic. I believe they want the fee in pesos too. Just tuck away a 1, 000P bill from your trap money and you'll be fine.[/QUOTE]At least as of mid December when I last went through they would take USA currency as well. There's also a currency exchange a few meters to your rear when you stand in line to pay the tax.
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1117494]At least as of mid December when I last went through they would take USA currency as well. There's also a currency exchange a few meters to your rear when you stand in line to pay the tax.[/QUOTE]I think on my last trip the cashier tried a scam with me. I paid my p1000 and she returned p50 and the stub.
I knew something wasnt correct so asked for the change and she said " Oh I thought you had paid in US dollars ". Stupid response for paying in pesos. Count your change!
If I am not mistaken the departure tax at Clark is more then at Manila.
[QUOTE=Mc Don;1117520]If I am not mistaken the departure tax at Clark is more then at Manila.[/QUOTE]It is actually less at Clark. Just left a little over a week ago and it was only P600
[QUOTE=Mortman; 1116777]Guys
Thanks for your observations. I have decided to make a meaningful contribution, probably around 15, 000. 20, 000 pesos. I want to help but don't want to be seen as a free ride every time some family emergency occurs and I already have other financial commitments in the way of Daisy my regular gf and her two kids.
I haven't been able to add further posts to the Cebu thread as I have been extremely ill these past few days with pancreatitis and laid up in bed with pain killers. Daisy god bless her came straight up from the province as soon as she heard I was not well and stayed with me last night at the Waterfront. I have a flight back to the UK today via Qatar and I pray to god I am fit enough to travel later this afternoon, I don't really want to be holed up in a hospital here unless it is completely unavoidable. Food is out of the question and I should be on an IV rather than drinking fluids orally, but again that means a visit to the hospital here in Cebu. I feel better than I did yesterday, for those that have ever had pancreatitis you will know how painful and debilitating it can be.
Mortman[/QUOTE]Wow I hear that is one of the most painful things to have/
And hope you are doing better.
There are good hospitals and doctors to be found in Philippines. Especially in manila.
But I might go back USA for treatment of something serious/
Good luck. I did not yet read the story of the charity but sometimes we try to help out if we can.
Means you got a good heart.
[QUOTE=Mortman; 1116777]Guys
Thanks for your observations. I have decided to make a meaningful contribution, probably around 15, 000. 20, 000 pesos. I want to help but don't want to be seen as a free ride every time some family emergency occurs and I already have other financial commitments in the way of Daisy my regular gf and her two kids.
I haven't been able to add further posts to the Cebu thread as I have been extremely ill these past few days with pancreatitis and laid up in bed with pain killers. Daisy god bless her came straight up from the province as soon as she heard I was not well and stayed with me last night at the Waterfront. I have a flight back to the UK today via Qatar and I pray to god I am fit enough to travel later this afternoon, I don't really want to be holed up in a hospital here unless it is completely unavoidable. Food is out of the question and I should be on an IV rather than drinking fluids orally, but again that means a visit to the hospital here in Cebu. I feel better than I did yesterday, for those that have ever had pancreatitis you will know how painful and debilitating it can be.
Mortman[/QUOTE]I know you're looking advice but maybe this is an idea that could work. It might be possible that the family can still get health insurance (for all the kids and the mom) for 1200 peso a year from PhilHealth. The coverage is not perfect but they do reimburse up to 15. 000 peso.
Thus, if you're able to have them check the situation and get the coverage. 1.200 Peso might bridge the gap they still need to cover and lower your contribution at the same. Plus extending some protection to the whole family.
I usually bring cash and exchange, but my next trip I want to use my ATM card. What is better rate, atm withdrawl or cash exchange? Also, are there certain atm machines to avoid? Any atm scams?
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1117727]I usually bring cash and exchange, but my next trip I want to use my ATM card. What is better rate, atm withdrawl or cash exchange? Also, are there certain atm machines to avoid? Any atm scams?[/QUOTE]The situation is different for me I suppose, since I live here, but I use ATMs exclusively when I need to replenish cash. This can get expensive, since most of the ATMs here charge a fee-Metro Bank P150, and I think HSBC now P 200-in addition to whatever fee your home bank may charge. In my case, my bank reimburses me monthly for all fees so it's not a concern. I don't know what the money changers charge as a fee.
The problem with bringing a substantial amount of foreign cash is that it's just one more thing to worry about, and it's something I would never do, and don't do when I need to travel to Thailand, Cambodia, Singapore or anywhere else in the region. I'd rather risk losing my ATM card, which can be replaced within 24 hours, than losing cash that can never be replaced.
I've not heard of any ATM scams here, but you do want to be prudent when you withdraw cash. That is, try to do it during the day, when there are lots of people around and lots of daylight. I don't think you're in any more danger of a robbery than you would be in the US or Europe, but it always pays to be cautious.
GE
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1117727]I usually bring cash and exchange, but my next trip I want to use my ATM card. What is better rate, atm withdrawl or cash exchange? Also, are there certain atm machines to avoid? Any atm scams?[/QUOTE]It partly depends on your bank and how much they charge you in hidden (I. E. Part of the exchange rate) and open (extra fee charged for using an ATM machine that is not owned by them) fees. Also, I have used 3 ATM machines so far (1 in the airport and 2 at banks) and each has added on their own 200p fee.
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1117727]I usually bring cash and exchange, but my next trip I want to use my ATM card. What is better rate, atm withdrawl or cash exchange? Also, are there certain atm machines to avoid? Any atm scams?[/QUOTE]Definitely ATM card. Make sure it is a VISA.based card as most machines in the Phils are linked to VISA.
Hide away a few extra USD in your baggage just in case you get stuck but I have never needed to go to the stash anywhere around SE Asia (Laos, Thailand, Cambodia) as I have always found an ATM to use.
You will get a better forex rate on the ATM card which will usually make up for the few extra dollars you lose in fees.
I don't pay any fees on my HSBC card.
As GE says. Just be careful who is hanging around when you go to the ATM.
All crooks know that foreigners going to an ATM after 6pm at night are withdrawing cash so once you pull the notes get away quickly back into the stream of people.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1117866]I've not heard of any ATM scams here, but you do want to be prudent when you withdraw cash. That is, try to do it during the day, when there are lots of people around and lots of daylight. I don't think you're in any more danger of a robbery than you would be in the US or Europe, but it always pays to be cautious.
GE[/QUOTE]And don be suprised when you find you have to literally "step up" to sue the ATM. For some strange reason in Phils they generally put the ATM at about 6foot off the ground, meaning most little 5ft girls can't reach it, unless the bank supplies a step up box. Never seen that in any other country. Check out the ATMS at Landmark.
Getting money as you need it from an ATM is much safer than carrying enough cash to get you through your entire stay. You can often get cash after dark from ATMs inside a mall. Most malls are open until 9 pm, and sometimes later. But also plan ahead. A lot of the ATMs will limit you to 10, 000 pesos in a single transaction, a few are a little more, but a few give as little as 2000 at one time. And many of the banks that issued your ATM card may limit you to $300 or so in any one day, unless you get the limit lifted before you leave home.
Although the malls are generally safer, because they're well lit, they have security guards, and you can quickly move into the crowd after you take your money, the ATMs in the malls also tend to get long lines of clients waiting to use them, especially the ones with higher limits.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1117881]Hide away a few extra USD in your baggage just in case you get stuck but I have never needed to go to the stash anywhere around SE Asia (Laos, Thailand, Cambodia) as I have always found an ATM to use.[/QUOTE]
It's helpful to have at least 1,000 pesos when you hit the ground -- for taxi, a drink or two, and maybe buy a few snacks from a 7-11 before you turn in for the night. If you plan to monger you will obviously need more. Some of the money changers are open at night, and some hotels have ATMs in the lobby. At NAIA Manila Terminal One (all the foreign airlines come in there) you will find a currency exchange just after you go through customs and before you break to the outside for a taxi. The rate is just a little worse than you'll pay at money changers in the city. But they're usually closed by the time Delta, Korean Air and other flights come in after 10 pm.
You can do a limited exchange at Seoul / Inchon, Tokyo, or Nagoya, but the exchange rate will be bad. Like maybe 35 pesos for $1US as opposed to 44/45 in Manila. That's a reason to limit your purchase to 1000 pesos. Exchanges in Atlanta, Detroit, and the West Coast USA hubs often do not have pesos, and when they do, the rates are similar to Seoul and Tokyo.
Exchange is much better when using ATM. All up with the charges form your local bank + ATM charge it will be around even +. Dollar or two on a 10 000 peso transaction. The risk to carry cash is not worth it. The only hasle is iin AC EFTPOS ATM's that I trust are at SM but ABC provides free car service so no probs.
Which ATM's let you withdraw more then 10K peso? I haven't seen any in the last 2 yrs or so.
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1117727]I usually bring cash and exchange, but my next trip I want to use my ATM card. What is better rate, atm withdrawl or cash exchange? Also, are there certain atm machines to avoid? Any atm scams?[/QUOTE]Philippine ATMs changed recently (it's now like the Thai ATMs).
Previously, the ATMs would give you the cash buy rate without an ATM charge.
Now, the ATMs give you the "Visa" rate which is between the buy and sell rate. But now the ATMs (at least PS and Allied Banks) charges you 200 pesos per transaction. PS and Allied's max withdrawl amount is 10, 000. I believe HSBC gives you 20, 000.
Some US banks will charge you a foreign transaction fee which will be between 1% to 3%. Some other rip-off banks will charge you extra fees (need to read your fine print).
The best way is to get an ATM (such as Charles Schwab Bank) which will refund you the foreign ATM charges, plus not charge you a foreign transaction fee.
Hence if you use a good ATM card, that is the best exchange rate. But if your banks doesn't refund you the ATM charge or charges you the foreign transaction fee, then your best rate will be to use cash.
I believe all the ATMs should be the same. Does any ATM in the Philippine waive the 200 peso charge?
Haven't heard of any ATM scams.
[QUOTE=Mc Don; 1118006]Exchange is much better when using ATM. All up with the charges form your local bank + ATM charge it will be around even +. Dollar or two on a 10 000 peso transaction. The risk to carry cash is not worth it. The only hasle is iin AC EFTPOS ATM's that I trust are at SM but ABC provides free car service so no probs.
Which ATM's let you withdraw more then 10K peso? I haven't seen any in the last 2 yrs or so. [/QUOTE]Haven't been to phils since 2009 but In metro manila there were several Atms that allows you to witdraw 10k+.
HSBC at rockwell powerplant, makati is atleast 30. 000PHP but I've been told the limit was 40. 000php.
Also there are a lot of big banks with atms in makati financial district and I know atleast in 2 of them I withdrew 20. 000php. Also I like the fact that some of them the atm is inside the bank where there are guards it feels safer. In citibank you can withdraw 15. 000php.
I'm going to phils soon so it would be good to know which atms that doesn't charge you extra fee?
This info is from 2010 and I don't know if something has changed since its 2011 now but I was told that Citibank and HSBC atms doesn't charge a fee can somebody confirm?
HSBC charges a fee. I think it's P200. I'm fairly sure that Citi does as well, but it's been a while since I've used a Citi ATM, so I'm not sure.
[QUOTE=Blade1; 1118128]Haven't been to phils since 2009 but In metro manila there were several Atms that allows you to witdraw 10k+.
HSBC at rockwell powerplant, makati is atleast 30. 000PHP but I've been told the limit was 40. 000php.
Also there are a lot of big banks with atms in makati financial district and I know atleast in 2 of them I withdrew 20. 000php. Also I like the fact that some of them the atm is inside the bank where there are guards it feels safer. In citibank you can withdraw 15. 000php.
I'm going to phils soon so it would be good to know which atms that doesn't charge you extra fee?
This info is from 2010 and I don't know if something has changed since its 2011 now but I was told that Citibank and HSBC atms doesn't charge a fee can somebody confirm? [/QUOTE]
I think I use the Bank of Philippine Islands or something like that and it charges me 150 peso. Max is 10K. Never came across anything that allows more then 10K in the last year or so but that may be because I use an EFTPOS card. I have had trouble withdrawing money from certain banks as their ATMs only except VISA / Mastercard. Is there any ATM near Burgos that will allow you to draw down more then 10K? Both the ATM in Makati Palace and the one near the McDonalds are 10K only.
[QUOTE=Mc Don;1118196]I think I use the Bank of Philippine Islands or something like that and it charges me 150 peso. Max is 10K. Never came across anything that allows more then 10K in the last year or so but that may be because I use an EFTPOS card. I have had trouble withdrawing money from certain banks as their ATMs only except VISA / Mastercard. Is there any ATM near Burgos that will allow you to draw down more then 10K? Both the ATM in Makati Palace and the one near the McDonalds are 10K only.[/QUOTE]There are different set of networks that the ATM's use. They are usually listed on the back of your ATM card and also somewhere on the ATM like the top area. For example, mine lists like Cirrus and a couple others on my card. I learn the big banks that accept my card and pretty much make it easy for myself and head to those normally.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1118164]HSBC charges a fee. I think it's P200. I'm fairly sure that Citi does as well, but it's been a while since I've used a Citi ATM, so I'm not sure.[/QUOTE]I often use a prepaid FX Card at HSBC ATMs and I can confirm that they do not charge a commission on their use. These FX cards are excellent also in that the rate you receive is very close to the days official exchange rate.
Mine comes in 3 flavors, euro, dollar and sterling, of which I have all 3, and are easily topped up online using a debit card.
CS could you perhaps explain to the unenlightened, such as myself, what an FX card is? It sounds like it may be something I would like to try.
Thanks,
GE
[QUOTE=GreenBud;1118112]I believe HSBC gives you 20, 000.[/QUOTE]Where are the HSBC atm machines in AC?
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1118370]Where are the HSBC atm machines in AC?[/QUOTE]According to HSBC hompage they have no atm in AC the closest is San Fernando
Here is a link of HSBC atm locator.
[url]http://www.apps.asiapacific.hsbc.com/1/2/mnl2/absl/absl-en?locale=en&country=PH&location=Manila[/url]
But there is a citibank atm Marlim Mansions, MacArthur Highway. You can withdraw 15. 000php and there is no extra fee (in 2010). Please post here if you use the atm to confirm if its without extra fee.
[QUOTE=Mc Don;1118196]I think I use the Bank of Philippine Islands or something like that and it charges me 150 peso. Max is 10K. Never came across anything that allows more then 10K in the last year or so but that may be because I use an EFTPOS card. I have had trouble withdrawing money from certain banks as their ATMs only except VISA / Mastercard. Is there any ATM near Burgos that will allow you to draw down more then 10K? Both the ATM in Makati Palace and the one near the McDonalds are 10K only.[/QUOTE]I'm failryl sure my BPI atm gets me 15K per withdrawal. I hardly ever pay attention as on the first withdrawal (in fort bonifacio) theres usually a hot chica awaiting. On the second withdrawal 48 hours later I'm usually kind of bleary in the am on my way to breakfast, havign just dropped some chica ff. LOL. But I think I get 15k
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1118353]CS could you perhaps explain to the unenlightened, such as myself, what an FX card is? It sounds like it may be something I would like to try.[/QUOTE]Its a prepaid Master Card that can be topped up online using a registered debit card. The advantage is that there is no commission, no ATM charges and the conversion exchange rate is better than that you would get using a ordinary debit / credit card. You can also lock in your rate of your desired currency of dollars / sterling / euros in advance of travel, which I did to my advantage a few weeks back when the euro was weak.
They are becoming increasingly popular in UK. I don't know whether they exist in the States but I see no reason why not.
One of the more popular cards is Caxton FX. More details at [url]http://www.caxtonfxcard.com/.[/url]
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1118370]Where are the HSBC atm machines in AC?[/QUOTE]As the previous post stated, there are no HSBC ATMs in Angeles. Can't remember the withdrawal limit, but it definitely is over 10, 000 pesos.
There is a new PS Bank ATM next to Walk-About Hotel on Fields. There is a new PS Bank branch with ATMs under the new condo complex next to McDonalds on MacArthur Highway. There are ATMs on MacArthur across the casino. There are ATMs on SM mall.
Your ATM cards will work with most of them if your ATM bank system is Plus or Cirrus.
[QUOTE=Blade1;1118375]But there is a citibank atm Marlim Mansions, MacArthur Highway. You can withdraw 15. 000php and there is no extra fee (in 2010). Please post here if you use the atm to confirm if its without extra fee.[/QUOTE]I was in Cebu in November 2010. The Citibank ATM's allowed a withdrawal of P15 000 against P10 000 at all other bank ATM's. Citibank charged no fees whereas all other banks I tried charged P200 per withdrawal.
I have neer tried to use a foreign ATM card but with my local one, when a bank limits 10, 000 pesos, I just do another transaction or 2 and withdraw 10, 000 more. I don't think there is a tracking system like in the USA where you may be limited to $300 or $500 per day.
I don't know what the limit is but I think I have withdrawn 50, 000 at once-10, 000 five times with no problem.
[QUOTE=Sugoi; 1118509]I have neer tried to use a foreign ATM card but with my local one, when a bank limits 10, 000 pesos, I just do another transaction or 2 and withdraw 10, 000 more. I don't think there is a tracking system like in the USA where you may be limited to $300 or $500 per day.
I don't know what the limit is but I think I have withdrawn 50, 000 at once-10, 000 five times with no problem. [/QUOTE]You are correct but what I meant before was the max limit for each withdrawal. The issue we have is because we have international cards the banks charge us 200php fee for each withdrawal so I prefer to withdraw a larger ammount each time.
Thanks Iron duke for the update. If anyone else used HSBC or Citibank recentley feel free to post here if it was still without a fee or not.
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1118424]Its a prepaid Master Card that can be topped up online using a registered debit card. The advantage is that there is no commission, no ATM charges and the conversion exchange rate is better than that you would get using a ordinary debit / credit card. You can also lock in your rate of your desired currency of dollars / sterling / euros in advance of travel, which I did to my advantage a few weeks back when the euro was weak.
They are becoming increasingly popular in UK. I don't know whether they exist in the States but I see no reason why not.
One of the more popular cards is Caxton FX. More details at.
[url]http://www.caxtonfxcard.com/.[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks very much. Sound like something you probably have to purchase in Europe or maybe the states. I will try from here, and if I can't do it, I will wait till I'm back in the states in the spring.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1118533]Thanks very much. Sound like something you probably have to purchase in Europe or maybe the states. I will try from here, and if I can't do it, I will wait till I'm back in the states in the spring.[/QUOTE]They are free, GE (sounds like the first line of a poem:)). Far as I recall, you have to make an initial deposit of 10 pounds sterling on each card, but this can then be used for purchases or ATM use.
Don't guess that you will be able to obtain from here. I think that they require an address in the country of issue.
Must admit that they are a godsend for people who travel a lot (like me) and are much more cost effective than credit/debit cards (which can work out quite expensive to use) or those hoary old standbys, travelers cheques (which are next to useless in The Philippines anyway). I've only had one problem with them and that was in Kenya where I couldn't find an ATM that accepted them.
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1118424]Its a prepaid Master Card that can be topped up online using a registered debit card. The advantage is that there is no commission, no ATM charges and the conversion exchange rate is better than that you would get using a ordinary debit / credit card. You can also lock in your rate of your desired currency of dollars / sterling / euros in advance of travel, which I did to my advantage a few weeks back when the euro was weak.
They are becoming increasingly popular in UK. I don't know whether they exist in the States but I see no reason why not.
One of the more popular cards is Caxton FX. More details at.
[url]http://www.caxtonfxcard.com/.[/url][/QUOTE]I just did a quick Google search for these cards. Every link that came up was from the UK. American banks wouldn't offer these unless there is some way they could earn a large profit from them. :mad:
[QUOTE=Blade1; 1118525]You are correct but what I meant before was the max limit for each withdrawal. The issue we have is because we have international cards the banks charge us 200php fee for each withdrawal so I prefer to withdraw a larger ammount each time.
Thanks Iron duke for the update. If anyone else used HSBC or Citibank recentley feel free to post here if it was still without a fee or not. [/QUOTE]I used the Citi bank ATM whenever possible in Davao. Max was 15k-20k peso with no charge last October. But my wellsfargo back charged $5 and a 1% currency fee.
[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder;1118582]I just did a quick Google search for these cards. Every link that came up was from the UK. American banks wouldn't offer these unless there is some way they could earn a large profit from them. :mad:[/QUOTE]Amazing, a financial concept that we didn't import from across the water! Must admit they must work on such very slender margins, that it is hard to see where their profit comes from? I guess volume and being a purely online business.
I always take P20, 000 per transaction at HSBC, but I'm not sure that's the maximum. I rarely need more cash than that.
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1117898]At NAIA Manila Terminal One (all the foreign airlines come in there) you will find a currency exchange just after you go through customs and before you break to the outside for a taxi. The rate is just a little worse than you'll pay at money changers in the city. But they're usually closed by the time Delta, Korean Air and other flights come in after 10 pm.[/QUOTE]The last bank / money changer closes at midnight. If there is a pressing need to exchange currency at that hour, you can still do it on site. Head straight out the door, cross the street and down the tunnel like ramps either left or right to where the locals wait for arriving passengers. There is a money changer as well as a kiosk operated by Smart.
[QUOTE=Mattrick;1119699]The last bank / money changer closes at midnight. If there is a pressing need to exchange currency at that hour, you can still do it on site. Head straight out the door, cross the street and down the tunnel like ramps either left or right to where the locals wait for arriving passengers. There is a money changer as well as a kiosk operated by Smart.[/QUOTE]To Mattick
I arrive late on my last trip only way to exchange USD is from the your hotel or go to a 24 hr ATM machine, I should of got some peso from a money changer in Hong kong before my flight.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Mattrick;1119699]The last bank / money changer closes at midnight. If there is a pressing need to exchange currency at that hour, you can still do it on site. Head straight out the door, cross the street and down the tunnel like ramps either left or right to where the locals wait for arriving passengers. There is a money changer as well as a kiosk operated by Smart.[/QUOTE]Thanks M, I hadn't noticed these guys before, since at that point I'm just looking for a taxi. Are they on the side where passengers wait for taxis, or over where the locals wait, like in with the refreshment stands behind the ugly waiting room with monitors?
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1119950]Thanks M, I hadn't noticed these guys before, since at that point I'm just looking for a taxi. Are they on the side where passengers wait for taxis, or over where the locals wait, like in with the refreshment stands behind the ugly waiting room with monitors?[/QUOTE]And if you over in that area don't buy your smart / globe card from the vendor there. The bastard charges p350 for a p300 card. Yeah its small money I know. Just hate that whitey gets ripped. Theres a machine inside the terminal just after Immigration that sells p300 cards for. P300!
On the subject of late night arrivals, if I'm coming in on Delta and flying out on Philippine Air at 5:45 and I just want to grab a couple hours sleep and a shower only what good options are there? I was thinking of just heading to one of the two Pasay Sogos.
(First night arrival in MNL for me ever, always flew PR or JAL in the past but the price was too good to pass up this time)
[QUOTE=Mongrinastrlnd; 1120059]On the subject of late night arrivals, if I'm coming in on Delta and flying out on Philippine Air at 5:45 and I just want to grab a couple hours sleep and a shower only what good options are there? I was thinking of just heading to one of the two Pasay Sogos.
(First night arrival in MNL for me ever, always flew PR or JAL in the past but the price was too good to pass up this time) [/QUOTE]Check out posts on Manila Airport Hotel in the Manila hotels thread. Do a search for their website and do your reservation through their website. Last time I used them price was about 2600 pesos for the night. Decent rooms, nearby convenience store, KFC attached to the lobby. They are within walking distance. Less than 200 meters. From Terminal One. Go across the covered drive-through, when you get to the ramps, take the right ramp (even if your name isn't between M and Z) , and when you get to the taxi area just keep walking off to the right. Eventually you will have to cross another crosswalk, but by then you'll see the hotel and KFC in front of you.
PAL leaves from Terminal Two. It is about 500 meters to the North. You can ask for walking directions at the hotel, at which point they will propose their overpriced shuttle which probably takes longer than walking, because it has to follow one-way airport access roads all the way around Robin Hood's barn.
I have a question. How safe are 4 or 5 star hotels in Manila, Cebu and major cities? Is it safe to bring a laptop? How do you secure a laptop and other valuable in a hotel while out mongering? Do you recommend I bring my laptop or leave it at home in the states?
Thanks much!
BL2010
I can't speak to Cebu, but the 5* hotels in Manila are extremely professional and safe. There are multiple layers of security, both to ensure the safety of guest and well-heeled locals, but also to project the image of safety and keep a good reputation for the hotels. I have never had any problems with my laptop, but if you are unsure, you can buy a laptop lock at any major electronics store in the and use it to secure the unit to the desk. As an alternative, you can check with the hotel you plan to stay at to see if the in-room safes are laptop sized or not. Just be sure to measure laptop, as my 15" Macbook doesn't fit all the safes.
[QUOTE=Blacklisted2010; 1122066]I have a question. How safe are 4 or 5 star hotels in Manila, Cebu and major cities? Is it safe to bring a laptop? How do you secure a laptop and other valuable in a hotel while out mongering? Do you recommend I bring my laptop or leave it at home in the states?
Thanks much!
BL2010[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mongrinastrlnd;1120059]On the subject of late night arrivals, if I'm coming in on Delta and flying out on Philippine Air at 5:45 and I just want to grab a couple hours sleep and a shower only what good options are there? I was thinking of just heading to one of the two Pasay Sogos.)[/QUOTE]Alternatively, why not go to Air Force One and have a girl give you a shower and massage then crash out for a few hours. You don't have much time so the Airport Hotel is a good option but not sure if they have a short stay rate. If you want a step up from Sogo, there is a Grand Prix within a couple of kilometers of NAIA.
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1119950]Thanks M, I hadn't noticed these guys before, since at that point I'm just looking for a taxi. Are they on the side where passengers wait for taxis, or over where the locals wait, like in with the refreshment stands behind the ugly waiting room with monitors?[/QUOTE]Yes they are on the airport side away from the crowds at ground level on the way out to the parking lot.
[QUOTE=Blacklisted2010;1122066]I have a question. How safe are 4 or 5 star hotels in Manila, Cebu and major cities? Is it safe to bring a laptop? How do you secure a laptop and other valuable in a hotel while out mongering? Do you recommend I bring my laptop or leave it at home in the states?[/QUOTE]Should not have any problems in Cebu either. The real problem is having your laptop and all of it's contents possibly scrutinized by Homeland Security upon reentry to the USA!
[QUOTE=Blacklisted2010; 1122066]I have a question. How safe are 4 or 5 star hotels in Manila, Cebu and major cities? Is it safe to bring a laptop? How do you secure a laptop and other valuable in a hotel while out mongering? Do you recommend I bring my laptop or leave it at home in the states?
BL2010[/QUOTE]Most hotels in Manila and Cebu will charge you for internet access at pretty high rates compared to an internet cafe. You can always bring your laptop to the internet cafes to hook up through a wire if you'd like. It depends on what you need to do. I would never access financial accounts on one of their computers. Is it safe? How safe are you willing to make it? I hear a lot of people leave their laptops out on the desks in their rooms when they go out for the day. Personally for me, that's gambling. If not taken with me, I lock it in my luggage or I may put it in my room safe if provided one and it fits. But mostly locked luggage for me is the way I go. It's not worth it for me to be lazy and leave it out and then bemoan the fact I could have saved myself some heartache if I had just done so later. Don't even give people the temptation to steal it.
[QUOTE=Blacklisted2010; 1122066]I have a question. How safe are 4 or 5 star hotels in Manila, Cebu and major cities? Is it safe to bring a laptop? How do you secure a laptop and other valuable in a hotel while out mongering? Do you recommend I bring my laptop or leave it at home in the states?
Thanks much!
BL2010[/QUOTE]I have travelled everywhere with my lap top staying in a variety of hotels from 5 star luxury hotels right down to pension houses. I have always left my laptop unsecured in my room and I have never ever had a problem. Maybe I have been lucky, my laptop is more of a notebook and it could fit underneath someones shirt or jacket and be easily concealed. If it was cash lying around I doubt whether I would have been so lucky, but a potential thief will think twice about taking a laptop since it cannot be as easily disposed of as cash and it is a more high risk crime for them
[QUOTE=Blade1; 1118525]You are correct but what I meant before was the max limit for each withdrawal. The issue we have is because we have international cards the banks charge us 200php fee for each withdrawal so I prefer to withdraw a larger ammount each time.
Thanks Iron duke for the update. If anyone else used HSBC or Citibank recentley feel free to post here if it was still without a fee or not. [/QUOTE]I use the citibank ATM's in Makati (near Mandarin Oriental) and Cebu (next to Ayala Mall near the Terraces) and they let me take 15000 with no 200 php fee. Maybe they will also let you take more but as there is no 200 php I don't need to take anymore. The worst seems to be BDO they charge 200php on a maximum withdrawal of 5000 pesos.
[QUOTE=Blacklisted2010; 1122066]I have a question. How safe are 4 or 5 star hotels in Manila, Cebu and major cities? Is it safe to bring a laptop? How do you secure a laptop and other valuable in a hotel while out mongering? Do you recommend I bring my laptop or leave it at home in the states?
Thanks much! BL2010[/QUOTE]Like Mortman, I've left my laptop in the room and never had a problem. Other options: leave it at the front desk and ask for a claim ticket, or get a travel safe. I have a small pacsafe that I take to the Phils. It rolls up in my luggage to a small tube about 9 inches long and 4 inches in diameter. Lock and cable roll up inside it. It has slashproof wire mesh built into the two layers of canvas, and the lock and cable cinches it up too tight for a person to get into it. I use it if I have cash in the room, jewelry, and so on. The one I have (about $40) is not quite big enough for a netbook, but they make them big enough to accommodate a full-sized laptop. There are several competing manufacturers. Do a google search for portable travel safes. I usually lock mine to plumbing in the bathroom. A person with a strong bolt cutter could probably cut through the cable or the lock, or, equipped with a pipe wrench, could dismantle the plumbing to take it. But I suspect it's generally enough of a deterrent that there's little to worry about.
I intentionally look into internet service before booking a hotel. Numerous hotels in the Philippines have WiFi either in the rooms or in the lobby. Larger shopping malls and even places like Burger King have free WiFi. I have business reasons for needing my computer on a daily basis when I'm in the Phils, so I take my laptop and use it regularly in the room. But it is also true that internet cafes are everywhere and very cheap. A common problem at internet cafes is that, since average Filipinos do not own computers, the internet cafes sometimes have a waiting list to get onto a computer. They are handy for getting printing done, but print quality is often poor.
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1122402]. . . . . Larger shopping malls and even places like Burger King have free WiFi. I have business reasons for needing my computer on a daily basis when I'm in the Phils, so I take my laptop and use it regularly in the room. . . . . .[/QUOTE]Just be a bit wary about using these public spaces. There are many Filipino computer whizz kids who set each other challenges to break into other people's connections when they are in these "free WiFi" places.
Foreigners get more points than locals.
Most are innocent pranksters who won't do damage if they hack in but make sure you have a good security system on your laptop.
Those guys at the table next to you in Burger King might not be working on their Science assignment.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1122403]Those guys at the table next to you in Burger King might not be working on their Science assignment.[/QUOTE]But they will be the Philippines' call center workers of the future. So they're in training for the technical advice they'll be giving me when I call in to Dell for technical support. I will plan to let them get their OJT on somebody else's internet traffic.
Long time lurker, first time poster.
Is it cheaper to buy domestic flights in Phils? Or am I better offer buying once there? Need a domestic Flight on Feb 19th.
Thanks,
Herb
[QUOTE=Herbperv; 1122433]Long time lurker, first time poster.
Is it cheaper to buy domestic flights in Phils? Or am I better offer buying once there? Need a domestic Flight on Feb 19th.
Thanks,
Herb[/QUOTE]I found it cheaper to buy in the PI. All I could buy here in Hawaii was PAL, but when in PI you can buy Cebu Pacific, which is cheaper than PAL. Sometimes I would buy tickets for the next day, especially Manila to Cebu.
[QUOTE=Herbperv; 1122433]Long time lurker, first time poster.
Is it cheaper to buy domestic flights in Phils? Or am I better offer buying once there? Need a domestic Flight on Feb 19th.
Thanks,
Herb[/QUOTE]Things are changing in this internet world.
For Cebu Pacific Airline ([url]http://www.cebupacificair.com/[/url]) , it doesn't matter where you log on to the internet. Normally, the earlier you get it, the cheaper it will be.
Assuming it will be the same for Philippine Airline. Would a local travel agent be cheaper than the internet?
Never flew that other small airline where you can land on the water, but Cebu should go close to most places you want to go to.
I also recommend the Pacsafe option. I bought a Pacsafe backpack which has the removable pouch / safe similar to what Skip Kost has but big enough to fit a laptop (well assuming it's not one of those 17" widescreen types). The backpack itself also has the wire mesh and other security features. You can remove the safe and leave in the room if you want to use the backpack or just leave the safe in the backpack and secure it.
[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1122477]Things are changing in this internet world.
For Cebu Pacific Airline (
[url]http://www.cebupacificair.com/[/url]
) , it doesn't matter where you log on to the internet. Normally, the earlier you get it, the cheaper it will be.
Assuming it will be the same for Philippine Airline. Would a local travel agent be cheaper than the internet?
Never flew that other small airline where you can land on the water, but Cebu should go close to most places you want to go to. [/QUOTE]My girlfriend booked and (I) paid for a Boracay package (air fares, accomodation, some dinner meals (hotel restaurant) and some tours) for less than I could do the air content on the net. She did it through a travel agent in Mega Mall Manila and paid cash. I was amazed at the savings and was sceptical right up until the hotel showed us to our room.
I think the difference was that as a local, she was getting the local price yet we are always getting the advertised price. Yes the dinners thrown in were terrible and we only used one but the tours were great. If you do have your travel companion lined up, possibly ask her to investigate. I know that when I have gone into an agent for any travel, I have always managed much better on the internet. Also same GF has recently got a tourist visa to my home, Australia. I booked her PAL flight much cheaper on the internet than same travel agent was telling her. Also they were telling her the flight they were offering was a direct flight, yet according to the PAL site, the flt they were offering (only flt of the day) had a 2 hour stop over in Melbourne. I live in Sydney about 600 miles away. So check out both.
P
Thanks Pompolino. 4/20 and Mr. 808,
I checked Cebu Pac online and it jumped $20 RT (procrastinated) from last week. Last time I paid day of travel in Harrison Plaza but can't remember if it was cheaper there than online. I guess I'll wait and try to get the kamaaina rate once there.
[QUOTE=Pompolino; 1122557]My girlfriend booked and (I) paid for a Boracay package (air fares, accomodation, some dinner meals (hotel restaurant) and some tours) for less than I could do the air content on the net. She did it through a travel agent in Mega Mall Manila and paid cash. I was amazed at the savings and was sceptical right up until the hotel showed us to our room.
I think the difference was that as a local, she was getting the local price yet we are always getting the advertised price. Yes the dinners thrown in were terrible and we only used one but the tours were great. If you do have your travel companion lined up, possibly ask her to investigate. I know that when I have gone into an agent for any travel, I have always managed much better on the internet. Also same GF has recently got a tourist visa to my home, Australia. I booked her PAL flight much cheaper on the internet than same travel agent was telling her. Also they were telling her the flight they were offering was a direct flight, yet according to the PAL site, the flt they were offering (only flt of the day) had a 2 hour stop over in Melbourne. I live in Sydney about 600 miles away. So check out both.
P[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pompolino; 1122557]My girlfriend booked and (I) paid for a Boracay package (air fares, accomodation, some dinner meals (hotel restaurant) and some tours) for less than I could do the air content on the net. She did it through a travel agent in Mega Mall Manila and paid cash. I was amazed at the savings and was sceptical right up until the hotel showed us to our room.
P[/QUOTE]You could probably call direct to a trusted travel agent in Phil and have them quote prices over the phone then pay with a credit card. Might be worth the effort if there is a substantial savings.
Anyone planning on going to El Nido? I was in Palawan recently but did not make it all the way to El Nido. I have (2) nights credit at the 5 star resort Miniloc Island that I would like to sell. The credit is PHP9, 430 x 2 nights. I will sell it for PHP10, 000. The credit is good until Dec 2011. PM me if your interested.
Seair flys direct from either Manila, Cebu or Angeles City to El Nido for about 6200P. The Resort will meet you at the airport and shuttle you to the Island.
[url]http://www.flyseair.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.elnidoresorts.com/[/url]
Making my first trip to the PI in August. Competing in 70. 3 Ironman at Naga City / CamSur but can not find Hotel info. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance.
Skeet
[QUOTE=Skeetm; 1122805]Making my first trip to the PI in August. Competing in 70. 3 Ironman at Naga City / CamSur but can not find Hotel info. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance.
Skeet[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.virtualtourist.com/hotels/Asia/Philippines/Naga_City/Hotels_and_Accommodations-Naga_City-TG-C-1.html[/url]
I don't know much about the area, but a simple Google search for Naga City hotels yielded the link above, and several others. The link above does not link to the hotels, but it gives other travelers' reviews on the hotels available.
[QUOTE=Skeetm;1122805]Making my first trip to the PI in August. Competing in 70. 3 Ironman at Naga City / CamSur but can not find Hotel info. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]CamSur has various accommodations available on site, check their website.
This is my first trip to the Philippines, but not my first trip traveling alone. Anything beyond the normal "don't walk down a dark alley at night" kind of recommendations?
What is the best way to prevent a runner?
Do you lock up your personal items in your hotel room when you are there with a girl?
How to best avoid street crime, like being mugged or assaulted?
What is the best way to deal with an encounter with LE?
What is the best way to prevent a runner?
Look the girl in the hotel room.
Do you lock up your personal items in your hotel room when you are there with a girl?
Leave the valuables in the hallway where she cannot reach them.
How to best avoid street crime, like being mugged or assaulted?
Hit people in the street before they can hit you.
What is the best way to deal with an encounter with LE?
Arrest them.
Cute answers CT, but I think they are not quite what HM was looking for.
General traveler's safety is the first suggestion. Don't flash a lot of cash, and don't carry a lot with you. There are pick pockets around the area, and maybe worse.
My first trip to the Philippines, I was freaked out when my gf and several family members went out to a local club (I was the only non-Filipino there). One of her male family members would follow me in to the bathroom whenever I went to take a leak. I asked her what the guy's problem was, and she said "I asked him to go with you to make sure nobody would attack you and take your money." Needless to say, I didn't go back there after that.
I would lock up valuables anytime someone other than yourself is in the room. That includes girls, hotel staff, and anyone else.
I don't think there is any guaranteed method for preventing runners. It's a chance you take.
As for LE, stay out of trouble! If that doesn't work, don't be confrontational with them. It will only make things worse.
My two centavos worth of advice.
HW
[QUOTE=Hank Moody; 1124436]This is my first trip to the Philippines, but not my first trip traveling alone. Anything beyond the normal "don't walk down a dark alley at night" kind of recommendations?
What is the best way to prevent a runner?
Do you lock up your personal items in your hotel room when you are there with a girl?
How to best avoid street crime, like being mugged or assaulted?
What is the best way to deal with an encounter with LE? [/QUOTE][url]Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfBzNrviIjM[/url]
As for the rest. Play safe. Though I never had any girl stealing from me. I practice basic safety. Lock my expensive phone and carry a cheap phone, carry a wallet. Slim and small enough to stick into my shirt pocket and only my real essential card / little money. And a 1000 peso hidden in a small envelope. Folded till it is like a small scrap paper. In my other pocket.
Shit never happened, but I like to be safe. The closest I came to being waylaid was when a few teenagers started to surround me- they just forgot that the girl next to me was my unofficial body guard (it was in Malate. Walking back from LAC)
[QUOTE=Cuba Tourist;1124443]What is the best way to prevent a runner?[/QUOTE]Put her cell phone in the safe.
[QUOTE=Skeetm; 1122805]Making my first trip to the PI in August. Competing in 70. 3 Ironman at Naga City / CamSur but can not find Hotel info. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance.
Skeet[/QUOTE]Villa Caceres is reasonably priced and safe.
[QUOTE=Hank Moody; 1124436]This is my first trip to the Philippines, but not my first trip traveling alone. Anything beyond the normal "don't walk down a dark alley at night" kind of recommendations?
What is the best way to prevent a runner?
- negotiate well, ask questions, pay after the deed.
Do you lock up your personal items in your hotel room when you are there with a girl?
- it's always safe to locked important valuables. But don't leave them in the hotel vault as staff have access. Buy a secure pouched on ebay.
How to best avoid street crime, like being mugged or assaulted?
- stay in well lit areas, don't entertain people. If someone on the street approach you, ignore and go the other way. Filipinos are friendly people, but it's never rude to play safe. Never talk to strangers specially on the street at night. Be careful in riding a taxi, be sure the doors are locked. Carry just enough money.
What is the best way to deal with an encounter with LE? [/QUOTE]What is LE? Sorry.
Ha ha ha. Best solution ever to avoid a runner. Nicely put WC.
[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1124491]Put her cell phone in the safe.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nolz7;1124592]What is LE? Sorry.[/QUOTE]Law Enforcement.
[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1124626]Law Enforcement.[/QUOTE]Talaga? I thought he was worried about having a "Ladyboy Experience."
My bad.
The "10 questions to ask" video was great. Cherry Boy, I guess that's me.
Let me give you a little more back story. I was supposed to go to the Philippines with a girlfriend, but she can't make it at this time and I have to use the time off so I booked the trip anyway.
Now she thinks something bad is going to happen to me traveling alone and is arranging for relatives to be my escort. I have a feeling this is going to get expensive. Although It's nice to have some contacts in the country, I am not The Bank Of America and I am resisting.
Off course something "bad" is going to happen. You may upgrade your girlfriend and she knows it. Get ride of the relos, just tell her you will be fine and you are more comfortable on your own.
[QUOTE=Hank Moody; 1124710]The "10 questions to ask" video was great. Cherry Boy, I guess that's me.
Let me give you a little more back story. I was supposed to go to the Philippines with a girlfriend, but she can't make it at this time and I have to use the time off so I booked the trip anyway.
Now she thinks something bad is going to happen to me traveling alone and is arranging for relatives to be my escort. I have a feeling this is going to get expensive. Although It's nice to have some contacts in the country, I am not The Bank Of America and I am resisting. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hank Moody;1124710]Now she thinks something bad is going to happen to me traveling alone and is arranging for relatives to be my escort. I have a feeling this is going to get expensive. Although It's nice to have some contacts in the country, I am not The Bank Of America and I am resisting.[/QUOTE]In the "you're kidding, right?" category. Don't let her relatives get near you. They will bleed your wallet dry, and they are there to see that you aren't fucking around.
[QUOTE=Hank Moody; 1124710]The "10 questions to ask" video was great. Cherry Boy, I guess that's me.
Let me give you a little more back story. I was supposed to go to the Philippines with a girlfriend, but she can't make it at this time and I have to use the time off so I booked the trip anyway.
Now she thinks something bad is going to happen to me traveling alone and is arranging for relatives to be my escort. I have a feeling this is going to get expensive. Although It's nice to have some contacts in the country, I am not The Bank Of America and I am resisting.[/QUOTE]Just call and email your gf back home regularly and she will get over it. If you let her family tag along they will report back your every move to her and you won't have a chance to worry about a "runner".
Have fun!
[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1124818]In the "you're kidding, right?" category. Don't let her relatives get near you. They will bleed your wallet dry, and they are there to see that you aren't fucking around.[/QUOTE]Another possibility is that they will be setting you up, to see if you take the bait and do fuck around. I had the god father of a gf try this on me during a visit. He convinced the gf to let me go out with him and other male family members. They took me to a local strip club, brought a girl to the table, and told her that I wanted to take her to the hotel across the street. She was all over me at that point. And the next morning the gf was questioning me about the details, many of which the god father was the only one that knew.
Best advice, stay away from the family!
[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder;1124450]My first trip to the Philippines, I was freaked out when my gf and several family members went out to a local club (I was the only non-Filipino there). One of her male family members would follow me in to the bathroom whenever I went to take a leak. I asked her what the guy's problem was, and she said "I asked him to go with you to make sure nobody would attack you and take your money." Needless to say, I didn't go back there after that.[/QUOTE]I was in a small town in one of the rural provinces with my squeeze, visiting her relatives. Every night when we'd go from a relative's home or a local bar to our hotel the women insisted on walking us to the hotel. Yes, the women. On at least two occasions it was an attractive 19 year old female cousin who accompanied us. She'd get close to our hotel and then turn around and walk home alone. They insisted they were afraid I'd be mugged and so keeping me company made everything safer. It didn't make sense to me: if there's danger out there for a foreign man and one local woman, isn't a young, attractive woman at greater risk on the last leg walking home alone? This 19 year old woman wasn't very big and couldn't have offered much if it had come down to a fight, and I tried politely to point this out. But they insisted. I kept after my squeeze about it and she explained that even in rural areas, foreigners are susceptible. Locals go after them because 1) they assume the foreigner has lots of money to have been able to travel to their town in the first place, 2) foreigners don't know their way around, and 3) foreigners don't know how to get help (LE) if they need it.
So maybe the escort to the CR is in the same vein. Either that or he'd heard rumors about the size of Westerners' equipment, was dying of curiosity and just wanted to get a look at what you were going to be using on their sister / daughter. Or your gf wanted to show off what you were working with. Brings a whole new meaning to the idea of penis envy.
[QUOTE=Hank Moody; 1124710]The "10 questions to ask" video was great. Cherry Boy, I guess that's me.
Let me give you a little more back story. I was supposed to go to the Philippines with a girlfriend, but she can't make it at this time and I have to use the time off so I booked the trip anyway.
Now she thinks something bad is going to happen to me traveling alone and is arranging for relatives to be my escort. I have a feeling this is going to get expensive. Although It's nice to have some contacts in the country, I am not The Bank Of America and I am resisting. [/QUOTE]Just ask her if she has a cute and sexy cousin and / or sister and say you would more comfortable if they accompanied you LOL.
Sometimes the sister will take over the duties. If only to make sure you don't stray outside. But this can be a non too frequent occurence (twice for me only) so more likely the relatives are there for cash, to make sure are a good boy or both (and they could be fuglies).
Why don't you tell her you won't go as she is not there and then go all the same. How will she know if you are there?
But then I always have kinky motives so maybe am not the best person to advise you :D
A foreign woman decides to go to the Philippines and buy shells to resell in her home country. What could go wrong?
From here:
[url]http://www.escapeartist.com/Tanja_Bulatovic/Living_On_A_Philippine_Island/[/url]
I love everything about the Philippines. The humidity, the food, the people, the hustle, the sweat and the stink of it. I feel at home in the tropics. Not for everyone, I know. One person's idea of paradise in another's idea of hell.
But here's where the plot thickens. After a couple of days, I started to feel like a walking ATM machine. Everyone wanted a piece of me and I wasn't equipped to handle it. Not mentally. Not financially. Apart from the output for the shells, I paid Joe and Jays' wages, paid for their accommodation, food, beer, cigarettes, the cook's fee, tips, you name it, I paid for it and just when I thought I'd supported everyone on the entire island, they'd hit me with something else, like the 'car rental fee' for the shiny new 4-wheel-drive which actually belonged to the family.
Don't get me wrong; I'm a generous person by nature. Often too generous, but there is a limit and the situation was beginning to wear me down. Not just the fact that I was getting ripped-off. There was something else. Each afternoon, the locals and their gorgeous children continued to bring their 'show and tell' shells. They would fetch them in cane baskets, and display them on a big wooden table, which was our makeshift market place. Every so often, I'd play about with a shell in admiration of its beauty, when on one particular day, I'd noticed that a number of shells where heavier than the rest. Why? They where still alive. The whole thing didn't sit well with me any more. Immediately, I closed up shop for the day and retreated so I could think.
Needless to say, I offloaded on poor Marisol about my current misadventure. She seemed perplexed to say the least and concerned that I was on my own. Throughout the evening she proceeded to educate me about the routine local mechanisms often applied to unsuspecting foreigners, confirming once and for all that my instincts where spot on. I'd been fleeced. Majorly. When Marisol and her friends left the next morning, I decided to accompany them back to the mainland.
My 2 guides had milked me dry. I had run out of cash and I needed more. 'No problem' they said, there's an ATM machine on the mainland; true there was, but for some reason the machines didn't take my cards. Never mind, I thought. Luckily, I'd packed my bags and brought all my belongings under the pretense that I needed to get back to Manila for a visa extension. My escape was imminent.
It goes without saying that by this stage, the whole experience had left a bitter taste and all I wanted was to get off the island. I simply told my guides that I'd be back in a few days and fortunately they believed me. All was in place but after we boarded the boat to Mauban, there was a slight delay as we watched a mighty carabao (water buffalo) being loaded onto the tiny wooden boat that was already overflowing with people.
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1124883]Or your gf wanted to show off what you were working with. Brings a whole new meaning to the idea of penis envy.[/QUOTE]My take is 'protecting the investment and showing off.
[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1124818]In the "you're kidding, right?" category. Don't let her relatives get near you. They will bleed your wallet dry, and they are there to see that you aren't fucking around.[/QUOTE]I informed the relatives that there was no more room at the hotel, which eliminated all the relatives except the one Niece who quickly volunteered to stay in the room with me. I told her it was a single bed. She replied "no problem".
We are still together and in Boracay Island right now. Going helmet diving this afternoon.
As far as meeting the relatives, we did that one afternoon. It cost me 3000 pesos in food, gifts, and Red Horse but has given me a whole new insight. They are very simple but kind people, and there are a lot of them. They came out of the woodwork to meet me and where all waiting for my arrival. Probably the best 3000 I have spent so far, but I don't plan on meeting them again this trip."Walking ATM", Yes that is what it feels like sometimes.
Hope you are using a helmet.
[QUOTE=Hank Moody; 1126993]I informed the relatives that there was no more room at the hotel, which eliminated all the relatives except the one Niece who quickly volunteered to stay in the room with me. I told her it was a single bed. She replied "no problem".
We are still together and in Boracay Island right now. Going helmet diving this afternoon.
As far as meeting the relatives, we did that one afternoon. It cost me 3000 pesos in food, gifts, and Red Horse but has given me a whole new insight. They are very simple but kind people, and there are a lot of them. They came out of the woodwork to meet me and where all waiting for my arrival. Probably the best 3000 I have spent so far, but I don't plan on meeting them again this trip."Walking ATM", Yes that is what it feels like sometimes. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SergeantRay; 1125110]A foreign woman decides to go to the Philippines and buy shells to resell in her home country. What could go wrong?
From here:
[url]http://www.escapeartist.com/Tanja_Bulatovic/Living_On_A_Philippine_Island/[/url]
But here's where the plot thickens. After a couple of days, I started to feel like a walking ATM machine. Everyone wanted a piece of me and I wasn't equipped to handle it. Not mentally. Not financially. Apart from the output for the shells, I paid Joe and Jays' wages, paid for their accommodation, food, beer, cigarettes, the cook's fee, tips, you name it, I paid for it and just when I thought I'd supported everyone on the entire island, they'd hit me with something else, like the 'car rental fee' for the shiny new 4-wheel-drive which actually belonged to the family.
Needless to say, I offloaded on poor Marisol about my current misadventure. She seemed perplexed to say the least and concerned that I was on my own. Throughout the evening she proceeded to educate me about the routine local mechanisms often applied to unsuspecting foreigners, confirming once and for all that my instincts where spot on. I'd been fleeced. Majorly. When Marisol and her friends left the next morning, I decided to accompany them back to the mainland.
My 2 guides had milked me dry. I had run out of cash and I needed more. 'No problem' they said, there's an ATM machine on the mainland; true there was, but for some reason the machines didn't take my cards. Never mind, I thought. Luckily, I'd packed my bags and brought all my belongings under the pretense that I needed to get back to Manila for a visa extension. My escape was imminent.
Le.[/QUOTE]My very first beach trip in Phils saw me in Mactan in 1985 in some resort there (way before Shang days). Walking along the beach two or three guys latch onto to me and offer to show me around. We met up and they showed me the city and in particular all the bars. I guess I bought beers for them and they pimped some ladies. They got me two cute companions to go snorkelling with but then presented me with a larg-ish bill for their services. I told them I would pay half and they were very happy.
I then made a separate deal with the younger one of the two and every night he took me to more bars, and made sure I didn't go home alone. I paid him what was due. Went to a casa and found two nice girls who I wanted to spend next few days with. Were relaxing on beach by the resort when a security guard tells me theres 5 guys who say I owe them money. Seems the guy saw his "cashcow " leaving and decided to try to get more.
I told the security guard I owed them nothing and not to let them on the property.
They called everyday, and worked many angles with hotel staff to try to get more out of me. I left the place to return home, and even when I got home, I got a handwritten note (pre email days LOL) saying how much I owed and why etcetc. Yeah, were all walking ATMS.
[QUOTE=Azmodeus Fl;1127023]Hope you are using a helmet.[/QUOTE]Sorry I can't help asking. Why did Kamikaze Pilots wore helmets. Joke time!
I just found this website offering discount flight tickets online. It is called Wholesale Flights [url]http://www.wholesale-flights.com/index.php[/url]. I did a search for flights from the nearest airport to me (Lexington, KY) to Manila, and received quotes as low as $619 (travel dates 6/11/11 to 6/25/11). I was wondering if anyone has used this service. The price seems to good to be true. But if it is true, it would be a great savings for a fun trip to paradise!
[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder; 1127942]I just found this website offering discount flight tickets online. It is called Wholesale Flights.
[url]http://www.wholesale-flights.com/index.php[/url]
I did a search for flights from the nearest airport to me (Lexington, KY) to Manila, and received quotes as low as $619 (travel dates 6/11/11 to 6/25/11). I was wondering if anyone has used this service. The price seems to good to be true. But if it is true, it would be a great savings for a fun trip to paradise![/QUOTE]That is a great rate. Did it give you any detail about the number of connections and the total flight time. Often these cheap flights have 4-6 stops and take more than 36 hours with long layovers between connections.
So here is a story I think many of you would appreciate. I recently took my 25 yr old nephew on his cherry trip to the PI. I guess I should say his cherry trip anywhere. Like most Americans he has never ventured beyond Canada or Mexico. While he has heard lots of stories and formed his own opinion of what the trip would be like, as most of us can attest, you don't know what to expect until you get there.
The point of my taking him was to let him experience something new and see a different type of woman than the selfish bitches we have in the US. Of course I worried that by taking someone so young and inexperienced that I might screw him up for good rather than opening his eyes to another way of life. I think overall I wanted him to find the joy and excitement of travelling and mongering that I think all of us share.
In short I think the trip was a great success. Maybe even too successful as now he is considering throwing his whole life away in the US and moving to Manila with no job, money or education to support him.
The trip started off on a bang. We arrived in Manila and went right to Burgos St for a warm up. After sitting in some of those bars for a couple of hours with several beautiful women rubbing his weiner he seemed to get the idea this would be two weeks to remember. Next we went to Havana Café and hooked up with a couple of lookers for an all nighter. He didn't even seem to bat an eye as I took a pair of petite 20 yr olds for my first night. The next day we did an afternoon at one of the massage parlors followed by another night at Burgos and Havana Café. He hooked up with a very pretty light skinned girl who claims she is a model. While she is pretty and her very light skin makes it likely that she could do some modeling I really doubt that she is making her living as a full time model.
The next day we headed off to Boracay for several days, but first we stopped by Air Force 1 for a pre flight pipe cleaning. The best thing about taking a first timer to AF1 is the look on their face when they stand in the window and look at that vast array of beautiful women. All of them there for your selection!
Boracay turned out to be a let down because the weather was so bad and the selection of women was very small and unimpressive. Nontheless, he was smitten by the "model" at this point so he flew her to Boracay. For the rest of the trip I hardly saw him as he spent every waking hour with this girl. Even when we returned to Manila, she filled his day with trips to some of the local sights and great restaurants. And a lot of sex!
So in the end he had the best two weeks of his young life. Which is what I was hoping for all along. He isn't much of a sport-fucker like me but he gets why I and everyone else are so in love with life in the PI.
Of course as we all know, it does not always end well. Within two weeks of our return to the US I got a call from my brothers wife,"will you call your nephew right now and talk him out of quitting his job and abandoning everything here to move to the PI."
I just laughed and said I know what he is feeling. As we have all done it every time we return to our boring lives in sex-prison!
As it stands right now he is trying to get a couple of friends his age to make the trip with him this summer. He still talks to the "model" on a regular basis and is trying to figure a way to get her to visit the US also. He did not quit his job as I explained the only job he would be able to get in the PI might pay $2-300 per month if he was lucky.
[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder; 1127942]I just found this website offering discount flight tickets online. It is called Wholesale Flights.
[url]http://www.wholesale-flights.com/index.php[/url]
I did a search for flights from the nearest airport to me (Lexington, KY) to Manila, and received quotes as low as $619 (travel dates 6/11/11 to 6/25/11). I was wondering if anyone has used this service. The price seems to good to be true. But if it is true, it would be a great savings for a fun trip to paradise! [/QUOTE]After a quick google-search words like scam and fraud pops up describing this service. If something seems to good to be true, it usualy is.
[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder; 1127942]I just found this website offering discount flight tickets online. It is called Wholesale Flights.
[url]http://www.wholesale-flights.com/index.php[/url]
I did a search for flights from the nearest airport to me (Lexington, KY) to Manila, and received quotes as low as $619 (travel dates 6/11/11 to 6/25/11). I was wondering if anyone has used this service. The price seems to good to be true. But if it is true, it would be a great savings for a fun trip to paradise! [/QUOTE]That $619 won't include the taxes.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1127084]...They called everyday, and worked many angles with hotel staff to try to get more out of me. I left the place to return home, and even when I got home, I got a handwritten note (pre email days LOL) saying how much I owed and why etcetc. Yeah, were all walking ATMS.[/QUOTE]Does this mean they had you rreal home address?
[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder; 1127942]I just found this website offering discount flight tickets online. It is called Wholesale Flights.
[url]http://www.wholesale-flights.com/index.php[/url]
I did a search for flights from the nearest airport to me (Lexington, KY) to Manila, and received quotes as low as $619 (travel dates 6/11/11 to 6/25/11). I was wondering if anyone has used this service. The price seems to good to be true. But if it is true, it would be a great savings for a fun trip to paradise! [/QUOTE]Try it out! I just booked a flight for twice what they are advertising and thought it was a pretty good deal, but that price came without an asterisk stating "some restrictions may apply." ;-). I am guessing that these prices do not include taxes, fees, etc. and come with date restrictions, multiple connections, etc. However, it would be nice to hear if these prices are legit, as the savings seem significant.
[QUOTE=Devils 1; 1128030]Maybe even too successful as now he is considering throwing his whole life away in the US and moving to Manila with no job, money or education to support him.[/QUOTE]I wish I would have went to the Philippines when I was 25 and jobless. At least nobody will be able to extort money from him and whatever girl he ends up with it won't be for his money. Good read thanks Devils.
[QUOTE=Devils 1;1128030]As it stands right now he is trying to get a couple of friends his age to make the trip with him this summer. He still talks to the "model" on a regular basis and is trying to figure a way to get her to visit the US also. He did not quit his job as I explained the only job he would be able to get in the PI might pay $2-300 per month if he was lucky.[/QUOTE]I hope you advised him about getting too hooked to any particular woman there. Good story though.
A while back someone posted that when flying to the the Philippines you could just say you had an E-ticket out and they would let you board without having any documentation. This does not work on Cebu Pacific from Macao. I tried to check-in and told the agent that I had a flight out the next day on Continental. She would not check me in and I had to go to the airport hotel to print out my E-ticket forward itinerary. The hotel's Internet must be dial-up, because it was excruciatingly slow, especially when your plane is departing, and it also cost me 5 bucks to print it out. When I got back to the counter, the agents were gone. The Cebu Pacific personnel there told me I was too late to check in. I argued that I had been there in plenty of time and I had been forced by their agent to go and print out my itinerary so I could get on the flight. They finally checked me in and I was able to make the flight. Perhaps I had a hard ass agent and maybe it is only in Macao, but I suggest that you have your onward itinerary printed out if flying to the Philippines from Macao.
[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;1130183]A while back someone posted that when flying to the the Philippines you could just say you had an E-ticket out and they would let you board without having any documentation. This does not work on Cebu Pacific from Macao. I tried to check-in and told the agent that I had a flight out the next day on Continental. She would not check me in and I had to go to the airport hotel to print out my E-ticket forward itinerary. The hotel's Internet must be dial-up, because it was excruciatingly slow, especially when your plane is departing, and it also cost me 5 bucks to print it out. When I got back to the counter, the agents were gone. The Cebu Pacific personnel there told me I was too late to check in. I argued that I had been there in plenty of time and I had been forced by their agent to go and print out my itinerary so I could get on the flight. They finally checked me in and I was able to make the flight. Perhaps I had a hard ass agent and maybe it is only in Macao, but I suggest that you have your onward itinerary printed out if flying to the Philippines from Macao.[/QUOTE]Cebu has ALWAYS asked me for my ticket out of Phil no meter where I board the plane Bangkok, Singapore, KL, KK. It is standard operating procedures for them as far as I know.
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1128131]Does this mean they had you rreal home address?[/QUOTE]They had a work address, but as they were in some little barangay in Mactan and I was in deepest darkest Saudi Arabia not much chance of them finding me. LOL
Just got to Manila. Went outside and got a Yellow Taxi to Ermita. I forgot what the going rate is supposed to be. But when we pulled up at the City State he clicked the meter and it said 498 pesos. I bitched at him and told him that I have never paid that much. I told him that I usually pay no more than 350 (keep in mind I really didn't remember) and 200 (which I remember) going back to the airport. He talked about traffic and gas prices and told me okay 350. I gave him a 500 and he gave me 150 back. I'm sure the price was supposed to be much less if I recall correctly.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1130247]Just got to Manila. Went outside and got a Yellow Taxi to Ermita. I forgot what the going rate is supposed to be. But when we pulled up at the City State he clicked the meter and it said 498 pesos. I bitched at him and told him that I have never paid that much. I told him that I usually pay no more than 350 (keep in mind I really didn't remember) and 200 (which I remember) going back to the airport. He talked about traffic and gas prices and told me okay 350. I gave him a 500 and he gave me 150 back. I'm sure the price was supposed to be much less if I recall correctly.[/QUOTE]It suppose to be between 190 and 250 php (metered).
So he still had a surplus of 100 php.
[QUOTE=Devils 1;1128030]In short I think the trip was a great success. Maybe even too successful as now he is considering throwing his whole life away in the US and moving to Manila with no job, money or education to support him.[/QUOTE]Your nephew certainly wouldn't be the first sex tourist to abandon his life in a relatively wealthy country to live in poverty solely to enjoy the abundant supply of cheap pussy in the Third World. Guys of all ages fuck their lives away literally. A few days ago a pinay was telling me about a Brit who left his homeland to live in the Philippines. He made a living by driving around a trike piled with accessories which he hawked to passers-by. He was asked what was his plan when he fell on hard times. He said that he would simply go to the British Embassy, state that he was down and out on his luck and request to be repatriated on the government's expense.
I said that he probably did it because he fell in love with some pinay. She said if that was the reason then the Brit was a very stupid man. She pointed out that the appeal of a foreigner is based mainly on his assumed wealth and status. A foreigner hawking accessories to locals would not attract the cheap pussy that inspired him to move to the Philippines in the first place. A lot of guys new to the game often forget that fact. They start thinking that the girls would love them just as much even if they lived in a nipa hut. It would be best if they read some of the stories written by expats who decided to leave pussy paradise.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1130247]Just got to Manila. Went outside and got a Yellow Taxi to Ermita. I forgot what the going rate is supposed to be. But when we pulled up at the City State he clicked the meter and it said 498 pesos. I bitched at him and told him that I have never paid that much. I told him that I usually pay no more than 350 (keep in mind I really didn't remember) and 200 (which I remember) going back to the airport. He talked about traffic and gas prices and told me okay 350. I gave him a 500 and he gave me 150 back. I'm sure the price was supposed to be much less if I recall correctly.[/QUOTE]Yeah those yellow taxis are a scam. Better to walk to hotel near airport and get a regular taxi. Much cheaper.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1130247]Just got to Manila. Went outside and got a Yellow Taxi to Ermita. I forgot what the going rate is supposed to be. But when we pulled up at the City State he clicked the meter and it said 498 pesos. I bitched at him and told him that I have never paid that much. I told him that I usually pay no more than 350 (keep in mind I really didn't remember) and 200 (which I remember) going back to the airport. He talked about traffic and gas prices and told me okay 350. I gave him a 500 and he gave me 150 back. I'm sure the price was supposed to be much less if I recall correctly.[/QUOTE]I believe this is an unusual case, as the Yellow / Orange Airport Metered Taxis were established to improve the level of service. I travel frequently through each airport (at least 50 times each year. Last week I made 4 trips) and I have never been scammed by these guys. You should have reported him for this.
In addition, just a heads-up to those guys who missed it in previous posts. This is not related to the previous post.
Taxis in Manila are currently undergoing re-calibration of their meters to reflect the new 40-peso flag-down rate AND a new 3. 50 peso click for each distance travelled.
However, the recalibration is being done in stages according to the last digit of the taxi registration plate number. They have just done plates 1 and 7 at present. 2 and 8 will be April etc etc.
The only taxis that will be re-calibrated are those that have NEW meters that issue receipts. I had my first ride in one of the newly-calibrated cabs yesterday and it was a 30% increase in the price from home to airport and came as a bit of a shock.
Be wary of any driver trying to tell you that the flag down rate is now 40 php UNLESS his meter has been re-calibrated. He cannot do that.
The LTRFB plan is to get rid of the clapped-out rust bucket taxis since in many cases the cost of the new meter will exceed the worth of the taxi itself so owners will not bother to replace the meters.
So, if you grab a taxi in Manila and find that your usual rate seems to have gone much higher than before don't assume the driver is scamming you. He might have one of the new meters and be charging you the new rate.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1130495]I believe this is an unusual case, as the Yellow / Orange Airport Metered Taxis were established to improve the level of service. I travel frequently through each airport (at least 50 times each year. Last week I made 4 trips) and I have never been scammed by these guys. You should have reported him for this.
In addition, just a heads-up to those guys who missed it in previous posts. This is not related to the previous post.
Taxis in Manila are currently undergoing re-calibration of their meters to reflect the new 40-peso flag-down rate AND a new 3. 50 peso click for each distance travelled.
However, the recalibration is being done in stages according to the last digit of the taxi registration plate number. They have just done plates 1 and 7 at present. 2 and 8 will be April etc etc.
The only taxis that will be re-calibrated are those that have NEW meters that issue receipts. I had my first ride in one of the newly-calibrated cabs yesterday and it was a 30% increase in the price from home to airport and came as a bit of a shock.
Be wary of any driver trying to tell you that the flag down rate is now 40 php UNLESS his meter has been re-calibrated. He cannot do that.
The LTRFB plan is to get rid of the clapped-out rust bucket taxis since in many cases the cost of the new meter will exceed the worth of the taxi itself so owners will not bother to replace the meters.
So, if you grab a taxi in Manila and find that your usual rate seems to have gone much higher than before don't assume the driver is scamming you. He might have one of the new meters and be charging you the new rate. [/QUOTE]Hi Red Kilt,
Thanks for the update, we are seeing the same taxi increases in Cebu as well.
Over the years I've met quite a few bar girls and P4P girls. And almost all are screwed up in some way or the other. Many have bad tempers, bad dispositions, inferiority complexes, drinking problems, or are just weird. I'm finding out that many of them were screwed up before they got into to that profession. I am beginning to think that it is not just poverty that gets these girls there. I believe many poor girls would starve rather than do it. I'm thinking that many if not most of the girls that go into this profession are in a screwed up before they started. What are your thoughts? Have any of you met well adjusted bar girls or ex-bar girls?
[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1130495]I believe this is an unusual case, as the Yellow / Orange Airport Metered Taxis were established to improve the level of service. I travel frequently through each airport (at least 50 times each year. Last week I made 4 trips) and I have never been scammed by these guys. You should have reported him for this.[/QUOTE]I also foten use the airport taxis except when landing at cebu pacific terminal. There they have some strange pricing, thats differnt to landing at old NAIA.
For a an airport taxi (yellow toyota) to Fort Bonifacio its something like P400. For a decent new metred (yellow toyota) taxi 50 metres further down the road its P120-140. Small money but strange pricing!
There are some cool bar girls. Few and far between thought. You will find some are in the business because they need to feed their family, one I know has a brother with a down syndrome (mom died at birth, father split) so she is it. Having said that for every normal one you meet be prepared to meet 30-40 crazy once.
[QUOTE=Big Johnson2;1130548]Over the years I've met quite a few bar girls and P4P girls. And almost all are screwed up in some way or the other. Many have bad tempers, bad dispositions, inferiority complexes, drinking problems, or are just weird. I'm finding out that many of them were screwed up before they got into to that profession. I am beginning to think that it is not just poverty that gets these girls there. I believe many poor girls would starve rather than do it. I'm thinking that many if not most of the girls that go into this profession are in a screwed up before they started. What are your thoughts? Have any of you met well adjusted bar girls or ex-bar girls?[/QUOTE]
[quote=big johnson2;1130548]i am beginning to think that it is not just poverty that gets these girls there. i believe many poor girls would starve rather than do it. i'm thinking that many if not most of the girls that go into this profession are in a screwed up before they started. what are your thoughts? have any of you met well adjusted bar girls or ex-bar girls?[/quote]i completely agree with you.
almost every girl i met thru the last decade (not only bg or p4p girls, also the socalled "normal girls" from internet) had a serious case (or even cases) of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or other sexual assoults by relatives or pinoy in their past or childhood.
these experiences made them crazy and somehow weired.
the socioeconomical background of these girls is just about the same as in prostitutes in our "rich" western countries.
just my humble opinion.
ram
[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;1130183]A while back someone posted that when flying to the the Philippines you could just say you had an E-ticket out and they would let you board without having any documentation. This does not work on Cebu Pacific from Macao. I tried to check-in and told the agent that I had a flight out the next day on Continental. She would not check me in and I had to go to the airport hotel to print out my E-ticket forward itinerary. The hotel's Internet must be dial-up, because it was excruciatingly slow, especially when your plane is departing, and it also cost me 5 bucks to print it out. When I got back to the counter, the agents were gone. The Cebu Pacific personnel there told me I was too late to check in. I argued that I had been there in plenty of time and I had been forced by their agent to go and print out my itinerary so I could get on the flight. They finally checked me in and I was able to make the flight. Perhaps I had a hard ass agent and maybe it is only in Macao, but I suggest that you have your onward itinerary printed out if flying to the Philippines from Macao.[/QUOTE]I guess maybe you learned a lesson here. Don't listen to people like that who try to talk their way out of things. If you have a ticket out of there, bring a copy with you. You're lucky you had a ticket to print out. My friend didn't get stopped in the states when he left and we connected in Hong Kong. They wouldn't let him connect to Manila if he didn't have a ticket out of the Philippines. He was expecting to buy a ticket when he got there. They made him pay for a full price ticket to make the connection.
[QUOTE=Big Johnson2;1130548]Over the years I've met quite a few bar girls and P4P girls. And almost all are screwed up in some way or the other. Many have bad tempers, bad dispositions, inferiority complexes, drinking problems, or are just weird. I'm finding out that many of them were screwed up before they got into to that profession. I am beginning to think that it is not just poverty that gets these girls there. I believe many poor girls would starve rather than do it. I'm thinking that many if not most of the girls that go into this profession are in a screwed up before they started. What are your thoughts? Have any of you met well adjusted bar girls or ex-bar girls?[/QUOTE]Hell no! All women see their pussy as a money making apparatus. However, in bargirls and other professional pussy vendors this is taken to the extreme. These women grow up hearing that their holes are special and access should be restricted yet they go in a totally different direction. There is always something in their past or present to account for that. It's usually some need they have to feed like drug addition, grinding poverty, or the psychological trauma brought on by previous sexual exploitation. Internet chicks tend to be wacko too because the web is their last stop after being declared damaged goods by the local guys. They know foreigners will marry anything. I've met girls with newborns husband hunting for a foreigner online after Baboy Pacana knocked them up and fled the barangay. Beautiful sane women from good families do not need to go online to find men. Even if you find the occasional gem online these women are primarily seeking a foreigner with the hopes of getting a visa and a ticket to his country of origin. Even on US dating sites most of the women are nuts or have some type of baggage.
I have to agree. There is something differnet about them. I do not know what it is.
My problem is I feel much more comfortable with them. They are honest in a way most women are not. They do understand what drives a man. [ and are not mad about it. ] Some will not steal from you.
But yes 40 to 50 crazy ones for every half sane one.
I use to read louie LaMor westerns and they would marry working girls. But as an adult it has been rare to see one work out long term. And I agree with the drinking and smoking.
Internet girls I do not think are the same. Yet I will conceed they have crossed over and are looking for something different. This desirer I think will cause them to do things they would not otherwise. Or as most other girls would do.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1130495]I believe this is an unusual case, as the Yellow / Orange Airport Metered Taxis were established to improve the level of service. I travel frequently through each airport (at least 50 times each year. Last week I made 4 trips) and I have never been scammed by these guys. You should have reported him for this.
In addition, just a heads-up to those guys who missed it in previous posts. This is not related to the previous post.
Taxis in Manila are currently undergoing re-calibration of their meters to reflect the new 40-peso flag-down rate AND a new 3. 50 peso click for each distance travelled.
However, the recalibration is being done in stages according to the last digit of the taxi registration plate number. They have just done plates 1 and 7 at present. 2 and 8 will be April etc etc.
The only taxis that will be re-calibrated are those that have NEW meters that issue receipts. I had my first ride in one of the newly-calibrated cabs yesterday and it was a 30% increase in the price from home to airport and came as a bit of a shock.
Be wary of any driver trying to tell you that the flag down rate is now 40 php UNLESS his meter has been re-calibrated. He cannot do that.
The LTRFB plan is to get rid of the clapped-out rust bucket taxis since in many cases the cost of the new meter will exceed the worth of the taxi itself so owners will not bother to replace the meters.
So, if you grab a taxi in Manila and find that your usual rate seems to have gone much higher than before don't assume the driver is scamming you. He might have one of the new meters and be charging you the new rate. [/QUOTE]Whilst I don't disagree with what you've said, here is my scoop on those damn Manila taxis.
1) I've now taken the Terminal 3 airport taxis (yellow, new + clean sedans. Not the MPVs) twice. Once from T3 to Makati in the afternoon. Fare was under PHP 200 on the meter. Once from T3 to Malate / Ermita in the middle of the night, fare was PHP 460 on the meter. Go figure. I believe the first was legit, the 2nd had his meter rigged. I don't bother with the airport taxis anymore.
2) At T3, what I usually do now is go upstairs to the departures level and exit the building. There will be a line of taxi touts / drivers clamouring for your business. I usually head to the first waiting cab (with driver waiting in his vehicle, not hanging around outside his vehicle) and ask him to lower his window. I offer PHP 250 to Malate / Ermita, take it or leave it. 95% of the time they will bite. If you ask the fare, most will ask for PHP 300 or more. I once had a driver, after having agreed on the PHP 250, (taking a cab as I described from the departures level of T3) pull out a laminated card with 'fares' printed. It said PHP 750 from NAIA to Malate / Ermita,"but for you sir, only PHP 500"! This is when travelling light has it advantages. I told him to stop the car and I will take another cab, or take me to my destination for the agreed fare.
Note that the fare from Malate / Ermita to T3 is only about PHP 130-150 on the meter, so to me my offer of PHP 250 is fair. Offering hopefully enough above the metered rate (about USD 2) to stop any further negotiations / monkey business, thereby getting me where I want to go effortlessly.
3) In MNL now, only the newer cabs have meters that reflect the new PHP 40 flag down fare. I generally don't care about the state of the vehicle, rust bucket or not, just so long as he turns on the meter.
4) IMO the best way to grab a cab to the airport is taking one from the official taxi stand at any of the malls (Greenbelt, Glorietta, Robinsons, SM Mall of Asia, etc.) Again, this is where travelling light has it advantages. The driver is not likely to price gouge you. In Cebu, for example, there is an attendant at the taxi rank at SM Ayala Mall who gives you a slip of paper for any complaints about the driver.
Happy travels!
I've been ROFLFAO at the recent discussion about why so many bar girls are maybe a little bit strange. For nobody mentioned the most obvious cause....us! Surely being fucked by a succession of strangers, often old enough to be their fathers/grandfathers, is not conducive to good mental health. Added to which, some of these guys are a little odd themselves (hence their need to use providers) and are often fat, physically deformed, unattractive or in other ways marginalized by society, it is surprising that the girls who service them are not more bonkers than they are.
Present company excepted, of course:D.
I honestly don't think that it's just the bar girls here that are somewhat odd in their behavior. I've been with quite a few non p4p women there, and you'll find they're odd too in the way they handle things, so to me it doesn't even matter where I've met them. The thinking here is odd period.
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1130899]I've been ROFLFAO at the recent discussion about why so many bar girls are maybe a little bit strange. For nobody mentioned the most obvious cause. Us! Surely being fucked by a succession of strangers, often old enough to be their fathers / grandfathers, is not conducive to good mental health. Added to which, some of these guys are a little odd themselves (hence their need to use providers) and are often fat, physically deformed, unattractive or in other ways marginalized by society, it is surprising that the girls who service them are not more bonkers than they are.
Present company excepted, of course. [/QUOTE]Love your comment Stunning. You got it exactly right. You're not just a pretty face are you? Your brain is ok no doubt about that LOL.
After reading your post, I have to wonder why I'm not completely bonkers. BTW, you brit Wanker, bonkers. Probably means "bonk her". What a nice expression. So, are you deformed? Just wondering? X.
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1130899]I've been ROFLFAO at the recent discussion about why so many bar girls are maybe a little bit strange. For nobody mentioned the most obvious cause. Us! Surely being fucked by a succession of strangers, often old enough to be their fathers / grandfathers, is not conducive to good mental health. Added to which, some of these guys are a little odd themselves (hence their need to use providers) and are often fat, physically deformed, unattractive or in other ways marginalized by society, it is surprising that the girls who service them are not more bonkers than they are.
Present company excepted, of course. [/QUOTE]
I think we just add on to the damage rather then cause it. The 18-19 year old newbies seem at times just as fucked up as their older colleagues.
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1130899]I've been ROFLFAO at the recent discussion about why so many bar girls are maybe a little bit strange. For nobody mentioned the most obvious cause. Us! Surely being fucked by a succession of strangers, often old enough to be their fathers / grandfathers, is not conducive to good mental health. Added to which, some of these guys are a little odd themselves (hence their need to use providers) and are often fat, physically deformed, unattractive or in other ways marginalized by society, it is surprising that the girls who service them are not more bonkers than they are.
Present company excepted, of course. [/QUOTE]
[quote=rampana; 1130627]i completely agree with you.
almost every girl i met thru the last decade (not only bg or p4p girls, also the socalled "normal girls" from internet) had a serious case (or even cases) of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or other sexual assoults by relatives or pinoy in their past or childhood.
these experiences made them crazy and somehow weired.
the socioeconomical background of these girls is just about the same as in prostitutes in our "rich" western countries.
just my humble opinion.
ram[/quote]i know a cute girl in baguio, whos on cam quite often (some of you might know her?) and without hesitation when she's got a guy or two on cam her clothes come off. this is has been going on for a about 6th months. i asked her if she was always horny. she said she was raped by her "dark" neighbour when she was 6 or 7. life isn't always a bowl of roses.
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1130899]I've been ROFLFAO at the recent discussion about why so many bar girls are maybe a little bit strange. For nobody mentioned the most obvious cause. Us! Surely being fucked by a succession of strangers, often old enough to be their fathers / grandfathers, is not conducive to good mental health. Added to which, some of these guys are a little odd themselves (hence their need to use providers) and are often fat, physically deformed, unattractive or in other ways marginalized by society, it is surprising that the girls who service them are not more bonkers than they are.
Present company excepted, of course. [/QUOTE]I agree 100% that fucking loser guys daily would screw up any girl. It's kind of sad and funny that many of the girls think that all foreigners are fat, ugly, losers. I have told them that places like AC get the losers from their respective countries, not the typical guy. They don't believe me!
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It's the old chicken and the egg question. What I'm starting to wonder is which came first: the screwed up girl or the bar screwing up the girl? What I am starting to conclude is that the screwed up girl came before working in the bar screwed up the girl. I used to believe that the bar was responsible for these girls emotional problems. But I've known girls that have only worked in bars for a month, but when you get to know them they had all these problems already: emotional, anger, horrible disposition, big inferiority complexes, drinking or drug problems, etc. I know some poor girls have to go support their families, but most normal poor girls avoid working as a bar girl like the plague.
Granted, most of my mongering, to this point, has been in Cuba where there are not gogo bars at all. And most of the girls I have shagged have been from out in the countryside. Like a good friend said to me once,"Don't let them disappoint you because they will." They all have their issues and weirdness. Something. We think we can fit them. Or at least we think there is a formula. High maintenance comes with the territory. However, like a new car, it will break down sooner or later. That's why renting is always the best option. I see it this way. 'We are all dogs chasing tail. And nothing makes the tail wag faster than burying the bone. '
A question about college tuition. Is there a specific month or due date for these fees? Anyone who's chatted with online Pinay has been given the pitch about schooling costs. It can be annoying but like most negatives, we must turn it into a positive and take advantage when we can. I for one, don't mind pitching in for the girls education. If everything is legit. Just as long as she good to the naughty professor.
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[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1130978]I know a cute girl in Baguio, whos on cam quite often (some of you might know her?) and without hesitation when she's got a guy or two on cam her clothes come off.[/QUOTE]Not Rosanna, is it? She is a sweet Baguio rose and is very active on the cam scene. Her and a bunch of her mates have quite a cottage industry going up there:).
[QUOTE=Chicochulo; 1131207]A question about college tuition. Is there a specific month or due date for these fees? Anyone who's chatted with online Pinay has been given the pitch about schooling costs. It can be annoying but like most negatives, we must turn it into a positive and take advantage when we can. I for one, don't mind pitching in for the girls education. If everything is legit. Just as long as she good to the naughty professor.
CC[/QUOTE]The academic year in the Philippines usually runs from the beginning of June through to the end of March. The semester break for all universities and colleges is frequently between the second week of October to the first week of November.
College fees would be due just before the semester starts.
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1130899]I've been ROFLFAO at the recent discussion about why so many bar girls are maybe a little bit strange. For nobody mentioned the most obvious cause. Us! Surely being fucked by a succession of strangers, often old enough to be their fathers / grandfathers, is not conducive to good mental health. Added to which, some of these guys are a little odd themselves (hence their need to use providers) and are often fat, physically deformed, unattractive or in other ways marginalized by society, it is surprising that the girls who service them are not more bonkers than they are.
Present company excepted, of course. [/QUOTE]CS,
You make a good point there. If the girls are not fucked up before they get into the bar they certainly will be after serving as human pin cushions for the old, stinky, fat, lame, toothless, and mentally deranged. It's bad enough as a monger when you start losing track of who you ran through with your pork sword a few months ago. I can imagine that the girls stop having any real human interaction with mongers after getting poked in their holes by the first hundred random anonymous sex tourists. So, basically you get girls with pre-existing issues and then you run the train on them with bunch of even more fucked up sex tourists and at the other end pops out your well seasoned bargirl.
[QUOTE=Chicochulo; 1131207]A question about college tuition. Is there a specific month or due date for these fees? Anyone who's chatted with online Pinay has been given the pitch about schooling costs. It can be annoying but like most negatives, we must turn it into a positive and take advantage when we can. I for one, don't mind pitching in for the girls education. If everything is legit. Just as long as she good to the naughty professor.
CC[/QUOTE]There is an up-front fee for the semester, then they pay by exam (4 / semester) to finish it off.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1131269]...So, basically you get girls with pre-existing issues and then you run the train on them with bunch of even more fucked up sex tourists and at the other end pops out your well seasoned bargirl.[/QUOTE]I think that Stephen Leather in Private Dancer gives the most authentic and vivid description of the pondlife that work in the bars and the cockroaches that prey on them. In one descriptive passage, Joy (the bargirl) thinks she has got one up on one of her more loathsome customers.
'I should have known better than to trust a farang. I'm not the first girl to be conned and I won't be the last, but I learned my lesson, that's for sure. He was from Switzerland, an old guy, big and fat like they all are, and he smelled like he hadn't showered for a week. He had a thick gold chain around his wrist and the big one around his neck, the one that he gave me, so I figured he had money. He bought me five colas and when I put my hand on his crotch I could feel that he was hard already so I knew he'd want to pay bar for me. I figured Pete wouldn't be around until ten and it was only eight so I gave him a couple of rubs and asked if he wanted to go short-time.
We went to Uncle Rey's Guest House, it's only a five-minute walk from Nana Plaza. He wouldn't shower or anything, just stripped off and lay down on his back like a huge beached whale. He was covered with hair, grey and curly, and he lay there playing with himself while I undressed. His prick was huge, and thick, and it seemed to get bigger and bigger as he played with it. I wanted to shower but he said he didn't want me to. He said he wanted me to suck him. I shook my head and said I didn't do that and I tried to get on top of him. He pushed me down and tried to force me, but I kept turning my head away. It stank, like old fish. He kept trying to force me, but I wasn't having any of it. Eventually he sat up and took off the gold chain. He told me that he wanted to sell it, and that if I sold it for him I could keep half. It looked real enough, and it felt real, so I put the chain around my neck. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, but I kept my eyes closed and concentrated on not being sick. He started to thrust himself in and out and I almost choked. I could feel him start to come so I tried to pull my head away but he put his hands on the back of my head. I actually didn't resist too hard because I figured I was getting five thousand baht. Anyway, he came in my mouth and then held me there until I swallowed.
I dressed and rushed out of the room while he was still on the bed because I didn't want him to change his mind and ask for his gold back. '
Of course the gold chain is fake and Joy gets shit kicked out of her by herThai 'boyfriend'.
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1130899]I've been ROFLFAO at the recent discussion about why so many bar girls are maybe a little bit strange. For nobody mentioned the most obvious cause. Us! Surely being fucked by a succession of strangers, often old enough to be their fathers / grandfathers, is not conducive to good mental health. Added to which, some of these guys are a little odd themselves (hence their need to use providers) and are often fat, physically deformed, unattractive or in other ways marginalized by society, it is surprising that the girls who service them are not more bonkers than they are.
Present company excepted, of course. [/QUOTE]Geez, it's just a job. Of course they only like being bonked by Pinoys. Go look at the romance section of any Filipino bookstore and see if you can see any hero other than a Pinoy. So they are obviously just doing it for the money for those who are not Pinoys. Present company excepted, of course.
However, there are plenty of crap jobs in the world, from gutting chickens to cleaning out sewage sludge, the list of shit jobs is endless. Some of them are paid far less than working in a bar too.
If working in a crap job was the reason for weirdness, then there would be a whole lot more of it out there. Maybe they are not that weird, but just not interested in the sort of stuff that we are. Just as long as we don't get carried away and imagine that they like us because we are hansum men or because we are intelligent or some such crap. LOL! Of course, ours are different, right? Yeah, right.
[QUOTE=Rubberyman;1131309]However, there are plenty of crap jobs in the world, from gutting chickens to cleaning out sewage sludge, the list of shit jobs is endless. Some of them are paid far less than working in a bar too.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but do these jobs involve having your 3 holes, digitally, lingually and genitally penetrated by a stinky breathed stranger?
[quote=cunning stunt;1131314]yeah, but do these jobs involve having your 3 holes, digitally, lingually and genitally penetrated by a stinky breathed stranger?[/quote]and digital, lingual and penile penetrations of the vaginal, anal and oral cavities are only the tip of the iceberg. we have not even considered the mongers who tie them up and fuck them in all holes; [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] on them; [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url] on them; spank them; gag them; feed them cum on toast; put them on a leash; cheat and deceive them, etc. toss in regular alcohol consumption, beat downs from abusive boyfriends / pimps plus constant monetary demands from the family and it's a recipe for a real monster. i wonder what the suicide rate is for bar girls.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1131425]\Toss in regular alcohol consumption, beat downs from abusive boyfriends / pimps plus constant monetary demands from the family and it's a recipe for a real monster. I wonder what the suicide rate is for bar girls.[/QUOTE]That is the real killer. The bars that force them to earn a ridiculous amount of drinks to get paid. Just imagine how you would be if you have to drink that much for a year or two. Toss in the expectations of the family, as soon as you start contributing one of your bros or old man gives up his job, then the boyfriend that takes his cut. Viscous circus that you just can't get out of. And then there is the greed and the poverty. Anyway fuck them, we do anyway
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1131314]Yeah, but do these jobs involve having your 3 holes, digitally, lingually and genitally penetrated by a stinky breathed stranger?[/QUOTE]Um, well, afaik it is not compulsory for girls to be three holers, and some are not. If they choose to do that and that is their business plan, why not?
You might ask some guys presently working in the sewers in Manila whether or not they would like to dance in their underpants and fuck ugly fat white cows for three times the pay, or stay there sifting through shit and used condoms with a squillion cockroaches for company. (Me, I prefer the cockroaches to the fat white cows, but that's just me). . I would also point out that if you are working waist deep in flowing crap, your orifices are probably being invaded by all sorts of interesting flora and fauna. Also, there are plenty of women who enjoy sex. Sure they would prefer an 18 yo Pinoy, but if their alternative is to stay at home in the probince, act as an unpaid servant with the excitement for the week being the trip to church where they get to accompany their grandmother, maybe some of them do not think it such a bad thing to be getting three times what a shop girl in SM gets (not to mention that you won't have a hope of getting that if you just have graduated high school, let alone if you didn't graduate high school).
So if someone who would struggle to get a six month job at SM Mall (where they fire you after six months so they don't have to pay benefits) , gets paid three or more times that amount (and you don't get fired after six months) , jeez, cry me a river.
You make it sound like they are forced to do all the non-conventional things. That is just crap, have you actually been to AC? Yes, it can happen very occasionally, but saying they are being forced to do it is just bola bola. If someone does try to force the issue, those helpful guys in the PNP station 4 will (for a fee) help the girl extract some punitive damages. In fact they have been known to extract the damages even without that guy having done anything.
If the girl makes a decision as an adult to go three hole, or any of the other stuff, then that is her business decision. I would certainly hope she negotiated a good fee, but that is her business, and nobody else's.
Also, they might prefer an older guy that only gets it up once a night, to some younger guy who is a little harder on the equipment. Most people renting stuff out prefer older clients for that reason. .
[QUOTE=Mc Don;1131433]That is the real killer. The bars that force them to earn a ridiculous amount of drinks to get paid. Just imagine how you would be if you have to drink that much for a year or two.[/QUOTE]A typical barfine is roughly equal to 10 ladydrinks. Thats how much a popular girl is worth to the bar for the night. I can imagine what 10 glasses of liquor a day does to a 40kg girl's liver. When I buy a ladydrink I insist on no alcohol in it, sober women are hornier too (medical fact)
But lets clear something up. Nobody forces the girls to work in the bar, its their choice and thats the lifestyle they picked to live.
[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist;1131602]When I buy a ladydrink I insist on no alcohol in it[/QUOTE]Honestly, I didn't thing they even put alcohol in a ladies drink. Do they?
[QUOTE=Chicochulo; 1131207]A question about college tuition. Is there a specific month or due date for these fees? Anyone who's chatted with online Pinay has been given the pitch about schooling costs. It can be annoying but like most negatives, we must turn it into a positive and take advantage when we can. I for one, don't mind pitching in for the girls education. If everything is legit. Just as long as she good to the naughty professor.
CC[/QUOTE]Well, my 2 cents and being late to the party would say. To the girls looking for a fast buck, anytime you have money is the time for college fees to be paid.
[QUOTE=Jambo;1131621]Honestly, I didn't thing they even put alcohol in a ladies drink. Do they?[/QUOTE]It's a tough question. I have had more fun with girls who were a bit tipsy and so did I hate myself when some of the barfine were sloshed.
Well, while working in bars in Singapore, LD = 1/4 measure of normal shot (or for better clarity, we use the bottom of the measure cup. Where the measure cup has a little edge and that equates to a 1/4th of a measure.)
Because we used to have cases of USN guys who get into fight for being cheated when they insist the girl mus have enough liquor. The poor sods forget that the whole idea of the LD is to take money out of the guy, and not to get the girl drunk.
'Nobody forces a girl to work in a bar' is not quite right. When you dig deeper it seems that in some (maybe many) cases the lazy greedy family send the girl out to make money . And they 'sacrifice for the family.
Thats also what a lot of the marriages to foreigners is all about. To by cynical marriage to an old fart is just a variation on the bar girl deal.
I once thought the Pinoy concept of family was admirable. But when you see it in action it is in reality the greedy / lazy older generation controlling the younger generation. I guess that's what happens in a country with no social security.
Sorry for the lecture!
It's a sad fact that Pinays usually assume the responsibility for being the family breadwinners.
Older brothers don't seem to feel any such compunction. If the Pinay either snares a decent.
Job overseas, or much better, a "poreigner", then, too often, the family reacts as if THEY have.
Won the lottery. So many guys much prefer to just hang out, drink Red Horse, shoot pool,
Impregnate gullible girls, and be happy shiftless bastards. (Hmmmn, sounds like most of us.)
Meanwhile the girls bear the burden of being the family providers.
That is until the innocent foreigner gets co-opted!
[quote=questor55;1131657]it's a sad fact that pinays usually assume the responsibility for being the family breadwinners.[/quote]initially, when i used to hear that the girl has taken on the family burden, i used to feel that the girls is strong and needs all the support. only when i hear that she has become the breadwinner, the rest of the family has decided to go on vacation as the girl has started working did my respect for the girl too disapeeared. and i dare not touch such girls even with a ten foot barge pole.
and unfortunately, not only they are proud that the dirty money is making daddy and mommy and brother and sister have a good vacation, they think that is perfectly normal.
i gave up analysing that mindset.[/quote]that is until the innocent foreigner gets co-opted! [/quote]i like that statement and the way you think. . co-opted. haha
[QUOTE=Jambo;1131621]Honestly, I didn't thing they even put alcohol in a ladies drink. Do they?[/QUOTE]In most bars that we frequent theres almost nothing in the drinks. However in the bars that locals go, many girls will have bottle after bottle of beer. This though is nothing compared with Bangkok Look in the bars there and theres a large water container at the side of the bar, that a mix of soft drink and Mekong whisky. Girls will always have a few glasses before starting work. By nights end most Thai girls have had quite a few.
[QUOTE=Rubberyman;1131563]Also, they might prefer an older guy that only gets it up once a night, to some younger guy who is a little harder on the equipment. Most people renting stuff out prefer older clients for that reason. .[/QUOTE]Yeah, but imagine the permanent mental scarring and trauma damage that might be caused by being fucked by John McCririck.
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1131741]Yeah, but imagine the permanent mental scarring and trauma damage that might be caused by being fucked by John McCririck.[/QUOTE]I, as an "older" guy, find your remarks to be profoundly ignorant.
[QUOTE=Slippery;1131750]I, as an "older" guy, find your remarks to be profoundly ignorant.[/QUOTE]You're obviously not familiar with John McCririck.
[QUOTE=Slippery;1131750]I, as an "older" guy, find your remarks to be profoundly ignorant.[/QUOTE]ROFLMFAO, squawked the 'spring chicken';).
[QUOTE=Mohoo;1131771]You're obviously not familiar with John McCririck.[/QUOTE]John McCririck (born 17 April 1940) is an English television horse racing pundit. He is notable not only for his racing opinions, but his old-fashioned style of dress and mannerisms. With his trademark deerstalker hat, tweed jacket and large sideburns, which he calls his wackers, he affects the part of either Sherlock Holmes or a well-dressed gamekeeper, and he happily acts the role of a country gentleman. He also uses the traditional tic-tac signals when commenting on odds before a horse race. His public comments have often been surrounded in controversy, and have occasionally been interpreted to be derogatory and offensive, particularly towards women.
Cheers.
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[QUOTE=Chicochulo; 1131207]A question about college tuition. Is there a specific month or due date for these fees? Anyone who's chatted with online Pinay has been given the pitch about schooling costs. It can be annoying but like most negatives, we must turn it into a positive and take advantage when we can. I for one, don't mind pitching in for the girls education. If everything is legit. Just as long as she good to the naughty professor.
CC[/QUOTE]Others have given you the college schedule. At many schools, there's a down payment at the beginning of the semester and monthly payments after. They must be paid in full to sit for the final exam. So there is no special time. You can confirm enrollment by asking for a photo of current student I. The.
[QUOTE=Rubberyman; 1131563]Um, well, afaik it is not compulsory for girls to be three holers, and some are not. If they choose to do that and that is their business plan, why not?
If the girl makes a decision as an adult to go three hole, or any of the other stuff, then that is her business decision. I would certainly hope she negotiated a good fee, but that is her business, and nobody else's. [/QUOTE]The first girl I was with in AC we had a mini drinking party in my wingman's room. Out of nowhere she asked me,"You want a three holer?" I was shocked but said don't mind if I do. She started sucking my dick in my wingman's room, but when we got back to my room she actually forced me to put my dick in her ass. I asked her where she learned that. She said an Arab guy was there 3 months and all he liked to do was anal. He paid her 10, 000 pesos for her chocolate cherry and now she actually likes it. I'm hoping I can find her when I get there tomorrow. She does one of the best BJs on the face of this planet.
Also a misogynist, anti-feminist and lecherous old goat who calls his wife 'the booby' and his woman assistant 'female', all on mainstream TV, and gets away with it. Looks like the archetypal 'dirty old man' and any bargirls worst nightmare.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1132014]The first girl I was with in AC we had a mini drinking party in my wingman's room. Out of nowhere she asked me,"You want a three holer?" I was shocked but said don't mind if I do. She started sucking my dick in my wingman's room, but when we got back to my room she actually forced me to put my dick in her ass. I asked her where she learned that. She said an Arab guy was there 3 months and all he liked to do was anal. He paid her 10, 000 pesos for her chocolate cherry and now she actually likes it. I'm hoping I can find her when I get there tomorrow. She does one of the best BJs on the face of this planet.[/QUOTE]Sound like an enterprising girl Mr E. Always knew the Arabs had a penchant for classics and are known for their educational prowess LOL.
Forced you....Mr E you need to come of out of your 'shell'. She is a lovely and educated lady clearly ;)
And why would you be shocked, in fact I would have asked before she asked me :D
Enjoy AC
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger;1132068]Sound like an enterprising girl Mr E. Always knew the Arabs had a penchant for classics and are known for their educational prowess LOL.[/QUOTE]Not to be offensive, but talking of Arabs remind me of the case, in Saudi, when a worker from an asian country was charged for having sex with a camel. The guy was given caning, and his poor lover was put to death. No kidding.
[QUOTE=Key Master;1130702]They wouldn't let him connect to Manila if he didn't have a ticket out of the Philippines. He was expecting to buy a ticket when he got there. They made him pay for a full price ticket to make the connection.[/QUOTE]Flying out of Clark a few months ago, I came across one hell of a commotion I was passing through immigration. One of the immigration officials was going absolutely bananas on some young backpacker. Chismoso that I am, I asked one of the other agents what was going on and they mentioned that the poor guy had arrived without a return ticket and was now being deported (apparently, the backpacker had also questioned the official, which precipitated the scene). Sure enough, when checking in for the CP flight to go back, I was asked to produce a print-out of the return ticket. I had it, but the agent told me they don't let people board without an actual print-out (but was not asked for it at immigration). From various travel boards, it's seems like it's fairly standard practice for CP flights. If the airline doesn't ask you, immigration does, and you don't have it, it seems that deportation is a possibility (they may let you buy a ticket there at the airport, but not a nice situation to be in either way).
[QUOTE=Econo Tech;1132444]Not to be offensive, but talking of Arabs remind me of the case, in Saudi, when a worker from an asian country was charged for having sex with a camel. The guy was given caning, and his poor lover was put to death. No kidding.[/QUOTE]Well the camel is good meat, and its lover probably had an interesting time in jail LOL.
Only reported in Saudi if expats as deemed that only the infidels engage in such barbaric and disgraceful perversions
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1133027]Well the camel is good meat, and its lover probably had an interesting time in jail LOL.
Only reported in Saudi if expats as deemed that only the infidels engage in such barbaric and disgraceful perversions[/QUOTE]Of course, if the camel made love to a native, it would not be considered blasphemy right? . . (that was in serious jest.)
Here's an amusing read for those guys (and girls) that think a big belly on a guy gets in the way of good sex. :D
[url]http://www.yourtango.com/201085004/why-men-big-bellies-might-make-better-lovers[/url]
Can someone guide me to place's to stay [including hotel prices] and things to do at Palawan.
Also the best way to gt here from angeles.
Cheerrrrs.
C2k
[QUOTE=Cherry2000; 1134306]Can someone guide me to place's to stay [including hotel prices] and things to do at Palawan.
Also the best way to gt here from angeles.
Cheerrrrs.
C2k[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.palawaninfo.com/[/url]
As for getting there. Cebu Pac has low rates, and check PR as well.
If you are heading to El Nido et al. You may need to go on ITI air.
Prices. There are some good 3 star and 4 star hotels, plus a sky high 6 star resort. Just do some search.
One man's meat is another's poison.
Me. Was there twice, stayed in Starlight apartel (1, 800 per night) and visited Dos Palmas, Underground River and some stuff, and then did some diving. Over and out.
I would like to know if anyone know a pharmacy where I can buy Cialis or Kamagra and Viagra in Manila and Angeles!
I saw many street vendors with boxes, but I do not trust them. Where to go? There are pharmacies in Robison mall? Need doctor's prescription?
[QUOTE=Andrewbaez; 1134550]I would like to know if anyone know a pharmacy where I can buy Cialis or Kamagra and Viagra in Manila and Angeles!
I saw many street vendors with boxes, but I do not trust them. Where to go? There are pharmacies in Robison mall? Need doctor's prescription? [/QUOTE]Use the search function and RTFF.
Ok, some time ago, I read a report about where to buy a cellphone. I've been searching the old posts but, for the life of me, I can't find it again. Can one of you direct me in the right direction. Thanks in advance.
CC
[QUOTE=Chicochulo; 1134687]Ok, some time ago, I read a report about where to buy a cellphone. I've been searching the old posts but, for the life of me, I can't find it again. Can one of you direct me in the right direction. Thanks in advance.
CC[/QUOTE]In any mall you can get a cheap phone, and a sim card. I use smart buddy, and it works fine. I even have it set up to international roam for sms only if you want to keep in touch while you are out of the country. It is easy to reload in the Phiils at any place either using load cards or pasaload. Also any unlocked GSM phone will work if you have an old one from another country, and just buy the sim card.
[QUOTE=Sky Ryder;1134689]In any mall you can get a cheap phone, and a sim card. I use smart buddy, and it works fine. I even have it set up to international roam for sms only if you want to keep in touch while you are out of the country. It is easy to reload in the Phiils at any place either using load cards or pasaload. Also any unlocked GSM phone will work if you have an old one from another country, and just buy the sim card.[/QUOTE]And Smart can be loaded from pldt. Com. Ph site and [url]http://pa-load.com/[/url]. It works flawlessly. .
And the [url]http://pa-load.com/[/url] Site can be used to load Globe as well.
[QUOTE=Sky Ryder;1134689]In any mall you can get a cheap phone, and a sim card. I use smart buddy, and it works fine. I even have it set up to international roam for sms only if you want to keep in touch while you are out of the country. It is easy to reload in the Phiils at any place either using load cards or pasaload. Also any unlocked GSM phone will work if you have an old one from another country, and just buy the sim card.[/QUOTE]A couple months ago I did a lot of research on phones to get rid of all the old info on promos / validity / etc. (lost cause on validity because the carriers' own websites have contradictory information).
I couldn't really post it here because vbulletin mangles the tables all up so I dumped it onto a free hosting.
[url]http://pimobile.x10.mx/[/url]
[QUOTE=Driveallnight;1134551]Use the search function and RTFF.[/QUOTE]I tried but could not find anything, can anyone help me?
[QUOTE=Andrewbaez; 1134550]I would like to know if anyone know a pharmacy where I can buy Cialis or Kamagra and Viagra in Manila and Angeles!
I saw many street vendors with boxes, but I do not trust them. Where to go? There are pharmacies in Robison mall? Need doctor's prescription?[/QUOTE]All the info is posted here. Do more than a search. I recall several discussions about exactly this subject.
The girl that I met on February, who has spent ten days with me long my travel when I'm back home, says he has a fever for 15 days and not have the money to go for a medical examination!
I am European and we have public health! Filipinos have to pay for medical care? Even in a public hospital? How much does a medical examination?
That is a tough one. Say 4K should get a good exam. Beware though there is a good chance they find something. Then how much will that cost? There is a good chance that this is the start of long monye relationship. Beware is all I am saying. I send money too. Mortman just help an old girlfriend. So, it is from past experince. Good luck
[QUOTE=Andrewbaez; 1134871]The girl that I met on February, who has spent ten days with me long my travel when I'm back home, says he has a fever for 15 days and not have the money to go for a medical examination!
I am European and we have public health! Filipinos have to pay for medical care? Even in a public hospital? How much does a medical examination? [/QUOTE]As Redman said, it may be the start of trying to get you to send her money, but it's hard to really tell. The majority of the people there live on what they have, and nothing extra. Is this a bargirl or someone who has a regular job? I believe they have to pay for all their medical services. They can go the cheaper route and go to a public hospital or the more expensive route to private hospital. I am guessing 2000 pesos will cover the exam, tests and meds, but it's a guess. I know a lot of people will tell you to not ever send money, but it's hard especially for someone you spent so much time with. A deciding factor may be is whether you plan on seeing her again. If you want to, then I may send some pesos her way to help out, but make it clear, it's hard financially for you to do this and not to expect you to do so again.
[QUOTE=Andrewbaez; 1134871]The girl that I met on February, who has spent ten days with me long my travel when I'm back home, says he has a fever for 15 days and not have the money to go for a medical examination!
I am European and we have public health! Filipinos have to pay for medical care? Even in a public hospital? How much does a medical examination? [/QUOTE]A 15 day fever, huh? Some of them tend to get that when you leave the airport taking your wallet full of cash with you. Let her sweat it out. You'll be doing more harm than good by sending her money. Most poor Filipinas cannot handle easy free money. It's like heroin. Once you start shooting her up with those cash injections she'll become an addict. It's just too easy for other illnesses and emergencies to pop up. She was fine before you fucked her and she will be fine after. If you compensated her for services rendered then your obligations ended there. Don't get fleeced by Western Union!
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1134908]She was fine before you fucked her and she will be fine after.[/QUOTE]What he said. Remember the Three F's of Mongering: Findem, F* 'them, and Forget 'them!
Or as Chopper Read would say: Harden the F* Up!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y[/url]
Its St Patricks Day. Go find a pub and get a good on one.
[QUOTE=Andrewbaez; 1134871]The girl that I met on February, who has spent ten days with me long my travel when I'm back home, says he has a fever for 15 days and not have the money to go for a medical examination!
I am European and we have public health! Filipinos have to pay for medical care? Even in a public hospital? How much does a medical examination? [/QUOTE]I just got hit with one for 4k pesos from my gf's brother. For a kidney problem.
[QUOTE=Andrewbaez; 1134871]The girl that I met on February, who has spent ten days with me long my travel when I'm back home, says he has a fever for 15 days and not have the money to go for a medical examination!
I am European and we have public health! Filipinos have to pay for medical care? Even in a public hospital? How much does a medical examination? [/QUOTE]Philippines has a fairly decent healthcare system, but the Filipino way is. If I can find somebody to pay or afford it- I better go and splurge. Including going to private clinics.
Govt hospitals. Delivery is charged at 1,000 peso or so, private 10, 000. And I know enough girls who would prefer to get to private hospitals, as long as a sponsor can pay. And the places I am talking of. The govt hospitals are super clean and efficient.
Or it could be a straight out effort to test the waters.
How about providing a decent tip just because you can? Because the money means nothing to you and a great deal to them? How about relaxing the sneering contempt a bit and showing a little compassion, which might even make you feel good? How about trying to stop taking advantage of poor, uneducated people just because it makes you feel good, which says more about you than about them? Or how about just treating "them" with some respect and civility just because "they" are human beings, just like you? Isn't it ironic that some, perhaps many guys think nothing of spending thousands of Euros or pounds or dollars to get here and begrudge poor people a few cents?
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1135076]Or how about just treating "them" with some respect and civility just because "they" are human beings, just like you? Isn't it ironic that some, perhaps many guys think nothing of spending thousands of Euros or pounds or dollars to get here and begrudge poor people a few cents?GE[/QUOTE]Hear, hear, GE! Brilliantly and compassionately spoken.
Last week the Philippine Airlines agent in Bangkok would not check me in for the Manila flight until I showed proof of a ticket out of the Philippines.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1135111]Last week the Philippine Airlines agent in Bangkok would not check me in for the Manila flight until I showed proof of a ticket out of the Philippines.[/QUOTE]All of them ask for the return ticket before letting you to board. One time they wanted me to show them the copy of another airline booking out of Phi.
Considering you can always cancel the return trip it is a stupid law.
I do not how experienced people here do it who have stayed in Phi long periods of time extending their visas.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1134908]A 15 day fever, huh? Some of them tend to get that when you leave the airport taking your wallet full of cash with you. Let her sweat it out. You'll be doing more harm than good by sending her money. Most poor Filipinas cannot handle easy free money. It's like heroin. Once you start shooting her up with those cash injections she'll become an addict. It's just too easy for other illnesses and emergencies to pop up. She was fine before you fucked her and she will be fine after. If you compensated her for services rendered then your obligations ended there. Don't get fleeced by Western Union![/QUOTE]I left her at 10000 PHP for his company, and I paid two domestic flights, transportation, lodging, meals, she told me to have them given to her mother, and finished them to buy food and medicine for her I understand that it is a large family. And I did not think that life in the Philippines would cost so much! She has twenty years unemployed, two sisters and a brother, both minors, and a sister who works at 'foreign!
She says she sold the web cam, to buy medicine, but it is always online at the various sites and DIA FH, honestly do not believe her!
Andrewbaez, it seems that a lot of the time its not the girl's fault. The entire cultural "utang" situation, plus the whole family descending on her with their hands out probably ensured that the money you gave her was gone within 24 hours.
[QUOTE=Andrewbaez; 1135174]I left her at 10000 PHP for his company, and I paid two domestic flights, transportation, lodging, meals, she told me to have them given to her mother, and finished them to buy food and medicine for her I understand that it is a large family. And I did not think that life in the Philippines would cost so much! She has twenty years unemployed, two sisters and a brother, both minors, and a sister who works at 'foreign!
She says she sold the web cam, to buy medicine, but it is always online at the various sites and DIA FH, honestly do not believe her! [/QUOTE]If you think with your heart and your dick in the Republic of the Philippines you will be quickly separated from your money. Most of these girls who meet foreigners specialize in separating suckers from their hard earned cash. Making 'kwento' or telling lies to foreigners via the internet in order to extract cash is a national past time. It is a means of turning the tables on you and pimping you long distance. You already know she is lying to you. They will say that they have to sell their web cam or computer as an indirect threat to cut off communication with you. The aim is to get you to volunteer to send money to prevent the supposed sale of the computer or web cam. Cut off all contact with her. Block and delete her messenger I'd and cell number. There is a lot more pussy in them tin shacks out in the province waiting for a good root. In some countries they are content to fleece the sheep. In the Philippines they not only fleece the sheep they go a step further and fuck the sheep. I'm not saying that you have to be callous but definitely be cold and calculating with these women. I used to be the kind compassionate foreigner until a well off Filipina friend asked me if I was running a charity. I have to thank my Filipina friend because she took my game to a whole new level. Now when I bust a nut in a girl's guts I simultaneously ejaculate her name and contact information from my brain. If it were not for photos I'd never remember all of the little scamming gold diggers I've fucked. I don't even bother to ask their names anymore. It would be like asking the meat I cooked last night the name of the cow it came from.
[QUOTE=David_33;1135176]Andrewbaez, it seems that a lot of the time its not the girl's fault. The entire cultural "utang" situation, plus the whole family descending on her with their hands out probably ensured that the money you gave her was gone within 24 hours.[/QUOTE]Many a times it is the poverty that drives them to start conning you. The more you show that you care the more the demand. Problem is if the girl is a good bed partner and will do anything for you it is hard to say goodbye to her. I used to send money before to help girls. But now I tell them I give money only when I see them.
There is not much of a option for the girl to make a living. No job to speak of.
My take on this is if you really like the girl support her. This way you have her to be with whenever you go to Phi. Take it as a donation. Costwise it does work cheaper to be with a non-pro rather than barfining or taking a girl from no barfine bars. Besides you get a fresh pussy rather than one used multiple times.
Although I like to butterfly I like to spend majority of the time with non-pros or girlfriends.
Is it worth the extra money I give them. Ofcourse it is. Amount of money needed to take care of them per month is cheap compared to other expenditures.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1135197]Block and delete her messenger I'd and cell number. There is a lot more pussy in them tin shacks out in the province waiting for a good root.......... Now when I bust a nut in a girl's guts I simultaneously ejaculate her name and contact information from my brain. If it were not for photos I'd never remember all of the little scamming gold diggers I've fucked. I don't even bother to ask their names anymore. It would be like asking the meat I cooked last night the name of the cow it came from.[/QUOTE]Well said.
Today I chatted with a new girl in Cebu City to meet her. She told me that she wants to meet me BUT she has to go home in school vacation because hder parents would not pay the rent for her boarding house anymore.
She would like to meet me but NO MONEY for rent.
DID YOU GET IT?
I GOT IT what she is trying to bring across to me.
I told her frankly that I am NOT her sucker.
This fucking little golddiger b...t..h. 19 yrs old only.
I just deleted her and move on.
Ram
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1135197]If you think with your heart and your dick in the Republic of the Philippines you will be quickly separated from your money. Most of these girls who meet foreigners specialize in separating suckers from their hard earned cash. Making 'kwento' or telling lies to foreigners via the internet in order to extract cash is a national past time. It is a means of turning the tables on you and pimping you long distance. You already know she is lying to you. They will say that they have to sell their web cam or computer as an indirect threat to cut off communication with you. The aim is to get you to volunteer to send money to prevent the supposed sale of the computer or web cam. Cut off all contact with her. Block and delete her messenger I'd and cell number. There is a lot more pussy in them tin shacks out in the province waiting for a good root. In some countries they are content to fleece the sheep. In the Philippines they not only fleece the sheep they go a step further and fuck the sheep. I'm not saying that you have to be callous but definitely be cold and calculating with these women. I used to be the kind compassionate foreigner until a well off Filipina friend asked me if I was running a charity. I have to thank my Filipina friend because she took my game to a whole new level. Now when I bust a nut in a girl's guts I simultaneously ejaculate her name and contact information from my brain. If it were not for photos I'd never remember all of the little scamming gold diggers I've fucked. I don't even bother to ask their names anymore. It would be like asking the meat I cooked last night the name of the cow it came from.[/QUOTE]Thanks!
Thank you for your assistance, however I was happy to visit the Philippines, I used to spend my vacation in Thailand.
I spent 21 days, ten in the company of the girl in the islands and eleven days of singles between Manila and Angeles and I must say that I was fine, and I think I'll be back!
Hotel prices are not so expensive, with 2000 of php are good rooms, I found the food good, the Philippines has more curvaceous bodies of Thai!
I always follow the forum on the Philippines, I read it only because I haven't a good englis. HAnyway if I have questions I will do it to get your advices!
Bye
Isn't it ironic that some, perhaps many guys think nothing of spending thousands of Euros or pounds or dollars to get here and begrudge poor people a few cents?
I can never understand the way some guys behave. In all my years of travelling and entertaining girls, I have always gotten better results by treating the ladies with respect. Mind you, I make it clear that I am nobodies fool. Most of the time, I get respect for being up front about not being a Gilligan. As for giving a little more when it is appropriate. I can't agree more. In the end, it costs you very little but means so much to a girl that has been generous with her body. I love women, and I think more of the selfish mongers should try to attach a bit of kindness to there approach. 'What goes around, comes around. '
Cc
[QUOTE=Chicochulo; 1135583]Isn't it ironic that some, perhaps many guys think nothing of spending thousands of Euros or pounds or dollars to get here and begrudge poor people a few cents?
I can never understand the way some guys behave. In all my years of travelling and entertaining girls, I have always gotten better results by treating the ladies with respect. Mind you, I make it clear that I am nobodies fool. Most of the time, I get respect for being up front about not being a Gilligan. As for giving a little more when it is appropriate. I can't agree more. In the end, it costs you very little but means so much to a girl that has been generous with her body. I love women, and I think more of the selfish mongers should try to attach a bit of kindness to there approach. 'What goes around, comes around. '[/QUOTE]Treating her with respect won't involve money (equating respect with giving money is like equating love with the giving of money). Treating her with respect can take many forms obviously: just be nice is the easiest way to do that. On the other hand there is money. Yes I spend thousands to travel (my choice). But think about what you are doing by giving her extra money, a tip. Its not something she's used to. If you do it, it makes her think others of your kind should behave the same way.
A cebuana comes to my hotel for a while and leaves with p500. It might be easy (for me) to tip her another 500, but that's not a good idea. Treating her to a Jollibee might be a better idea. Or walking her to the taxi and slipping the driver some pesos to get her home. My giving her double the income she's earned (its small for me, not for her) , would be like tipping a waitress here $30 for bringing me a $30 meal (still think its a good idea?). Or giving my yard guy a $1500 tip at Christmas (that would be nuts. He earns $1500 per year from me). But giving those things creates an expectation. He'll want it again next time. And he'll expect others like me to give it up.
Imaging the same cebuana does the same work for a local guy, where she gets p300. He won't tip her anything, she knows there's no tip, and she will be glad to have the 300. She's getting more from you, and she's real glad to have it. Yet, you are creating for all of us the expectation in her mind that she should get something extra. Just because its easy for me to give her an extra p500 (or 1000) doesn't mean its a good idea. Your idea of giving is from your culture, not hers.
YMMV
Good post Westcoast.
I can't agree with you more. I was referring more to the mistreatment of the girls. The little extras like walking her to the taxi. A simple gift (I carry cheap ones for just that reason) is always a better tip than doubling up on your agreed upon payment.
Cc
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1135111]Last week the Philippine Airlines agent in Bangkok would not check me in for the Manila flight until I showed proof of a ticket out of the Philippines.[/QUOTE]You should not be surprised. It's the same for any country if you enter as a tourist. Without a ticket out, there's a question-Are you a legitimate tourist? If you have a return ticket with the same airline, they don't need to ask you to show anything-they see it on the computer.
I am European and we have public health! Filipinos have to pay for medical care? Even in a public hospital? How much does a medical examination? [/QUOTE]I just want to give you an example of some of the healthcare costs in the Philippines. I saw two doctors (one was an orthopedic surgeon) at a reputable, modern hospital in Manila (Makati Med) and each doctor's examination or consultation cost 700 pesos ($16). The x-ray cost 500 pesos ($11). This is without any health insurance.
[QUOTE=Imagemakers;1135735]I am European and we have public health! Filipinos have to pay for medical care? Even in a public hospital? How much does a medical examination?[/QUOTE]I just want to give you an example of some of the healthcare costs in the Philippines. I saw two doctors (one was an orthopedic surgeon) at a reputable, modern hospital in Manila (Makati Med) and each doctor's examination or consultation cost 700 pesos ($16). The x-ray cost 500 pesos ($11). This is without any health insurance.[/QUOTE]I believe consulation and check up are cheap. Only the procedures like surgery is expensive. Stay in hospital is not that expensive. Once again all of these will be much cheaper than in Europe and America without insurance.
[QUOTE=Imagemakers;1135735]I am European and we have public health! Filipinos have to pay for medical care? Even in a public hospital? How much does a medical examination?[/QUOTE]I just want to give you an example of some of the healthcare costs in the Philippines. I saw two doctors (one was an orthopedic surgeon) at a reputable, modern hospital in Manila (Makati Med) and each doctor's examination or consultation cost 700 pesos ($16). The x-ray cost 500 pesos ($11). This is without any health insurance.[/QUOTE]To Image maker
I don't think you want to go to a public hosipital in Manila, I have health insurance and travel insurance if I get sick go to a private doctor or hospital don't save a few peso is your own health.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Cbea20;1135670]You should not be surprised. It's the same for any country if you enter as a tourist. Without a ticket out, there's a question-Are you a legitimate tourist? If you have a return ticket with the same airline, they don't need to ask you to show anything-they see it on the computer.[/QUOTE]And when I told this, a lot of wild animals jumped on me. . : Screaming murder.
Well, you don't need a return ticket unless you can charm the staff, or you are a resident in the destination country / working. In which case, you can be asked to produce proof.
[QUOTE]I don't think you want to go to a public hosipital in Manila, I have health insurance and travel insurance if I get sick go to a private doctor or hospital don't save a few peso is your own health.
Fast Eddie 48[QUOTE]
Don't be too quick to dismiss the health system in Manila Eddie. I have lived here for 14 years and I have a lot of confidence in the health care that I have received, including 2 stints in hospital for surgery for 2 injuries self-inflicted in the gym.
I am not so confident or sure about major internal-type surgery but for medical examinations and GP work I am very impressed by the level of care.
All of my doctors have had post-grad training in Australia, France and USA.
JMHO
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1136031][QUOTE]I don't think you want to go to a public hosipital in Manila, I have health insurance and travel insurance if I get sick go to a private doctor or hospital don't save a few peso is your own health.
Fast Eddie 48.
[QUOTE]Don't be too quick to dismiss the health system in Manila Eddie. I have lived here for 14 years and I have a lot of confidence in the health care that I have received, including 2 stints in hospital for surgery for 2 injuries self-inflicted in the gym.
I am not so confident or sure about major internal-type surgery but for medical examinations and GP work I am very impressed by the level of care.
All of my doctors have had post-grad training in Australia, France and USA.
JMHO[/QUOTE]To Red kilt
I am sure the doctor in Manila good training but if you have insurance coverage and have a choice you will pick a private hospital too, I am sure the doctor is better there and better medical equaiment, I have a dental service in a private hospital a few yr ago and I have the dental redone in the US just the same service.
Fast Eddie 48
Well, I have done the dance with a DIA gal. Meet her on November trip. We had a good dinner with WR and his Fab.
Well, I have tried the milk. Now I am going to buy the cow.
I am 55 and she is 21. I got kicked out of high school, she finished college.
I was hitting the crack when she called. Told me we should get married and I agreed. Damm if she did not record it and now is going to hold me to my word.
I am happy, Wish this old sucker some luck. Hell I could use some prayers also.
Why not? The question is where will she live after you are married? Will you relocate to the Philippines or will you bring her to the USA?
[QUOTE=David_33;1136553]Will you bring her to the USA?[/QUOTE]Yep, that's the Money Question here, isn't it?
Don't do it! A few days with "Oprah" and the other professors of Feminist Entitlement 101 will usually ruin them.
[QUOTE=Redman69; 1136551]Well, I have done the dance with a DIA gal. Meet her on November trip. We had a good dinner with WR and his Fab.
Well, I have tried the milk. Now I am going to buy the cow.
I am 55 and she is 21. I got kicked out of high school, she finished college.
I was hitting the crack when she called. Told me we should get married and I agreed. Damm if she did not record it and now is going to hold me to my word.
I am happy, Wish this old sucker some luck. Hell I could use some prayers also. [/QUOTE]Good luck is not what you need You need a miracle. Hope you have a good bank roll to support this marriage for longer then 2 yrs if it lasts that long. I frankly think if you stay in the Philippines it will work out longer then taking her back to your own country. But either way once the money drys up your going to be out the door faster then you can say WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING? You would not by chance be a CRAPS players would you>>?? Roll them bones
[QUOTE=Redman69; 1136551]Well, I have done the dance with a DIA gal. Meet her on November trip. We had a good dinner with WR and his Fab.
Well, I have tried the milk. Now I am going to buy the cow.
I am 55 and she is 21. I got kicked out of high school, she finished college.
I was hitting the crack when she called. Told me we should get married and I agreed. Damm if she did not record it and now is going to hold me to my word.
I am happy, Wish this old sucker some luck. Hell I could use some prayers also. [/QUOTE]Good luck to you. I also married a filipina, and after 5 years everything is better than ever! She still has an incredible sex drive, so much that I often have to tell her I don't have the energy for sex 2-3 times a day. Guys hit on her all the time and she always tells me about it, but remains ever faithful.
RG
[QUOTE=David_33;1136553]Why not? The question is where will she live after you are married? Will you relocate to the Philippines or will you bring her to the USA?[/QUOTE]Bring her to the states and make her work. Thats additional income.
I intend to bring her to the US for a few more years and then retire back to PI.
Yea I know the odds are against me. But I want to do it. Got the Erie hard headed thing.
RG thanks for the sucess story.
Now I know WR will be laughing, but I hope to stay faithfull. HeHe
[QUOTE=Redman69; 1136590]I intend to bring her to the US for a few more years and then retire back to PI.
Yea I know the odds are against me. But I want to do it. Got the Erie hard headed thing.
RG thanks for the sucess story.
Now I know WR will be laughing, but I hope to stay faithfull. HeHe[/QUOTE]I cannot believe you fell for this Red after all the mentoring that you have had from WR and me as well as the re-education from those Cebuanas.
As said earlier, if you stay in the Phils you have some chance to make it work. Once she gets papers to the US and she sees all those 30. 40 year old hunks eyeing her off you will be history.
Do some forward thinking.
In 5 years you will be 60 and in decline; she will be 26 and in her prime.
Anyway, why am I wasting my time typing this stuff?
Go for it. Good luck (but I am covering my ears waiting for the sound of the crash)
[QUOTE=Redman69; 1136590]I intend to bring her to the US for a few more years and then retire back to PI.
Yea I know the odds are against me. But I want to do it. Got the Erie hard headed thing.
RG thanks for the sucess story.
Now I know WR will be laughing, but I hope to stay faithfull. HeHe[/QUOTE]Seems to me you've weighed the pros and cons and have decided to take the existential leap of faith. I say go for it! There are countless instances, similar to yours that have worked, and here's hoping your relationship does the same.
GE
[QUOTE=Redman69; 1136590]I intend to bring her to the US for a few more years and then retire back to PI.
Yea I know the odds are against me. But I want to do it. Got the Erie hard headed thing.
RG thanks for the sucess story.
Now I know WR will be laughing, but I hope to stay faithfull. HeHe[/QUOTE]Well, I sure hope you keep your sense of humor when the young studs in the US start tearing up her coochie. She probably has a trailer load of them on Facebook and other social networking sites champing at the bit to ram some young hard pole in her. Just ask Jambo how these girls do it. He's been there and got the t-shirt. You know the facts but seem hell-bent on throwing yourself into the flames. The bright side is that a lot of sex starved young men in the US will appreciate you taking one for the team by importing some exotic foreign poon to become community property.
RK and CM you guys are killing me. The truth will set you free.
I can see my nephews thanking the lord now.
Thanks for the good wishes GE.
Just so you guys know ole WR has a soft spot to.
Take care all. Thanks for all the help and training.
The thing that got me most about your situation is the fact she recorded your answer has to be some sort of blackmail if you are not good for on your word. This has red flags all over it has far has trust which imo is the most important thing 2 people can have for each other
RM69,
Before you decide to marry and bring that sweet young foreigner into the US for a few years, look into the costs of immigration. 25 years ago, when I married a Korean, I felt like the government was ripping me off, because I had to pay an application fee for almost every damn piece of paper they required. And then I was told that there was no guarantee that they would be accepted. Prices have dramatically increased since then, especially after 911. If you are dead set on marrying this girl, go for it. Best of luck to you (and thanks for leaving more pussy available for the rest of us in PI)! :D But you might want to set the wedding date for sometime after your planned retirement.
IMHO.
HW
[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder;1137098]Prices have dramatically increased since then, especially after 911.[/QUOTE]Yes I understand that fees have been added to visa applications, in part to pay for additional medical coverage for 911 "first responders" in New York.
I didn't get it. New York fire and police? They have medical and I suspect its very good. I could have been killed / hurt in the Pentagon attack, and my coverage would have been just the same as it is now. If I didn't retire I guess I could get VA coverage. And a medal perhaps.
Ah, yes, unions.
[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder; 1137098]RM69,
Before you decide to marry and bring that sweet young foreigner into the US for a few years, look into the costs of immigration. 25 years ago, when I married a Korean, I felt like the government was ripping me off, because I had to pay an application fee for almost every damn piece of paper they required. And then I was told that there was no guarantee that they would be accepted. Prices have dramatically increased since then, especially after 911. If you are dead set on marrying this girl, go for it. Best of luck to you (and thanks for leaving more pussy available for the rest of us in PI)! . But you might want to set the wedding date for sometime after your planned retirement.
IMHO.
HW[/QUOTE]Application fee is $455. 00. Then there are other incidental fees such as medical exam, visa issuance fee, etc. All in all cost is well under $1, 000. 00.
[QUOTE=Slippery;1139569]Application fee is $455. 00. Then there are other incidental fees such as medical exam, visa issuance fee, etc. All in all cost is well under $1, 000. 00.[/QUOTE]Don't forget the adjustment of status fee, which is about $1000.
[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder; 1137098]RM69,
Before you decide to marry and bring that sweet young foreigner into the US for a few years, look into the costs of immigration. [/QUOTE]The new I-129F visa fee has actually been lowered to $340. 00.
Medical is about $220 (If she doesn't live near Manila or Cebu, travel & hotels can add up)
Adj of Status is $1070.
Cathay Pacific offers a 1-time lower rate in this instance as a promotion, but you have to call to book it; can't get the reduced rate online. They are presumably hoping for years and years of your travel business.
I am 55 and Greg London introduced me to a very nice 26 yr old. But as others have pointed out, & in my case, I just couldn't get past the age difference. Even tho I felt she would be faithful.
Good Luck, Bob
[QUOTE=Towelboy2010; 1139751]The new I-129F visa fee has actually been lowered to $340. 00.
Medical is about $220 (If she doesn't live near Manila or Cebu, travel & hotels can add up)
Adj of Status is $1070.
Cathay Pacific offers a 1-time lower rate in this instance as a promotion, but you have to call to book it; can't get the reduced rate online. They are presumably hoping for years and years of your travel business.
I am 55 and Greg London introduced me to a very nice 26 yr old. But as others have pointed out, & in my case, I just couldn't get past the age difference. Even tho I felt she would be faithful.
Perhaps I was not clear. I spoke about USA fiancee K-1 fees to get her into USA. Of course other fees are payable during the citizenship process. Its all a step by step and more money and more money process.
Good Luck, Bob[/QUOT
The United States.
[QUOTE=Slippery; 1140123]WHAT COUNTRY?
The new I-129F visa fee has actually been lowered to $340. 00.
Medical is about $220 (If she doesn't live near Manila or Cebu, travel & hotels can add up)
Adj of Status is $1070. [/QUOTE]
I am just reconciling some of my accounts and adding up all the ATM charges.
Every time I withdraw 10, 000 (max allowable) pesos, it ended up costing: 200 pesos at ATM, $5 out of bank network fee and 1% foreign transaction fee. This adds up to over 500 pesos for each transaction!
No wonder the ATM limits the withdraw to 10, 000 pesos per transaction. Those fees really add up.
Any advice for getting money for a lower transaction fee?
Not sure you can limit the fees, but you could look for Citibank or JSBC ATMs that let you withdraw more than P20, 000 each transaction. That way you can get more money for the same fee. I use HSBC here in Davao and Citibank when I'm in Manila for exactly that reason.
GE.
[QUOTE=Hank Moody; 1141963]I am just reconciling some of my accounts and adding up all the ATM charges.
Every time I withdraw 10, 000 (max allowable) pesos, it ended up costing: 200 pesos at ATM, $5 out of bank network fee and 1% foreign transaction fee. This adds up to over 500 pesos for each transaction!
No wonder the ATM limits the withdraw to 10, 000 pesos per transaction. Those fees really add up.
Any advice for getting money for a lower transaction fee? [/QUOTE]
Not advised by most, but I go cash heavy.
[QUOTE=Hank Moody; 1141963]I am just reconciling some of my accounts and adding up all the ATM charges.
Every time I withdraw 10, 000 (max allowable) pesos, it ended up costing: 200 pesos at ATM, $5 out of bank network fee and 1% foreign transaction fee. This adds up to over 500 pesos for each transaction!
No wonder the ATM limits the withdraw to 10, 000 pesos per transaction. Those fees really add up.
Any advice for getting money for a lower transaction fee? [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=X Man;1142421]Not advised by most, but I go cash heavy.[/QUOTE]Much as possible, I stick to cards, as, I don't swipe cards everywhere and limit cash to those seedy places. And the girls.
Bottom line, in Philippines, everybody is fucked. Even the locals withdrawing from ATM have a service fee, I am told.
Cheque clearence costs. And foreigners? Oh. How can the foreigners be left alone from the money sucking schemes?
You can run but you can't hide.
[QUOTE=X Man;1142421]Not advised by most, but I go cash heavy.[/QUOTE]I did bring $500 US cash, but that didn't last long and it seemed like the only bank I could find when I needed money was BPI with a 10, 000 peso limit.
Next time I will bring more cash and look for a bank with a higher withdrawal limit.
One time at a money changer, a middle eastern man walked in with $10, 000 US to change. I thought that was way too much cash to walk around with. Kind of like going to Vegas, I only carry what I am willing to lose.
[QUOTE=Hank Moody; 1141963]I am just reconciling some of my accounts and adding up all the ATM charges.
Every time I withdraw 10, 000 (max allowable) pesos, it ended up costing: 200 pesos at ATM, $5 out of bank network fee and 1% foreign transaction fee. This adds up to over 500 pesos for each transaction!
No wonder the ATM limits the withdraw to 10, 000 pesos per transaction. Those fees really add up.
Any advice for getting money for a lower transaction fee? [/QUOTE]PM me if you want to discuss some options for free ATM withdrawls, there are a couple of banks in the US that do that but that's a topic for another board, so I'll keep it off here.
I read somewhere and was also told that immigration wants to see your return ticket.
My travel agent does not ever give me a real ticket anymore and most north amercian airlines do not,
All I get now is a typed, print out, electronic ticket with number and intienarary, it that sufficient?
[QUOTE=Vandaddio; 1142692]I read somewhere and was also told that immigration wants to see your return ticket.
My travel agent does not ever give me a real ticket anymore and most north amercian airlines do not,
All I get now is a typed, print out, electronic ticket with number and intienarary, it that sufficient? [/QUOTE]The E ticket is fine and it's not necessarily immigration that will ask but the airline if you don't have a ticket with them leaving there. If you don't have proof of a ticket or don't buy one out of there, they won't let you board most likely.
[QUOTE=Hank Moody; 1141963]I am just reconciling some of my accounts and adding up all the ATM charges.
Every time I withdraw 10, 000 (max allowable) pesos, it ended up costing: 200 pesos at ATM, $5 out of bank network fee and 1% foreign transaction fee. This adds up to over 500 pesos for each transaction!
No wonder the ATM limits the withdraw to 10, 000 pesos per transaction. Those fees really add up.
Any advice for getting money for a lower transaction fee? [/QUOTE]Been to PI over 30 times and I found the best way for me was this: about $200 USD cash per day. I would change at local Manila money changer near Robinson's Ermita. That was all spending money. My hotel bill went on my credit card. I think the most cash I ever took was $2000 USD. Never had problems. Usually did 5 days Manila. 5 days Cebu city. PAL plane ticket bought in PI with credit card, no problem. Use your credit card as backup if you lose your cash.
[QUOTE=Vandaddio; 1142692]I read somewhere and was also told that immigration wants to see your return ticket.
My travel agent does not ever give me a real ticket anymore and most north amercian airlines do not,
All I get now is a typed, print out, electronic ticket with number and intienarary, it that sufficient? [/QUOTE]Immigration never asks. The airline always ask and will not let you board without proof. Once I flew cebu pacific round trip from manila to Hong kong because I had flown in by korean airlines round trip to manila.
I did not have copy of the ticket leaving from Manila. I had to go all the way to Korean airlines desk and ask the manager there for a printed copy.
Just make sure you have a copy of printed e ticket out of Phi.
I hope someone out there can advise. I have a week in PI in May and want to dive. I'm not that bothered about the nightlife just so long as there is at least a minimum action so I don't sleep alone.
I went to Sabang / Puerto Galera in December, diving was good and nice little compact nightlife scene which was perfect. I would like to venbture some place else next time however. Lots of great dive possibilities (Coron in Palawan for example) but worried no action.
Thanks in advance.
Bloke
[QUOTE=Bloke; 1143617]I hope someone out there can advise. I have a week in PI in May and want to dive. I'm not that bothered about the nightlife just so long as there is at least a minimum action so I don't sleep alone.
I went to Sabang / Puerto Galera in December, diving was good and nice little compact nightlife scene which was perfect. I would like to venbture some place else next time however. Lots of great dive possibilities (Coron in Palawan for example) but worried no action.
Thanks in advance.
Bloke[/QUOTE]The other place to try for the combination of scuba and girls is subic. The diving there is all wreck diving, with some excellent, accessible wreck dives for recreational (non-tech) divers using air or nitrox. However, the visibility is not great (though certianly adequate) as it is a semi-enclosed bay, and there is not much other mariine life to see other than the wrecks.
As for the girls, Barrio Barretto (BB) is a bit like Angeles (except with the sea nearby). Lots of affordable bars with available gals in BB and very nearby Baloy Beach. Also ample choice of comfortable, affordable accommodation (eg, Blue Rock, Arizona, etc.).
Cebu also offers some good diving / gal combos, particularly if you stay on Mactan and the first night go into the city to find a gal to stay with you for a few days.
Another possibility is Davao (from what I have read and heard-not been there yet). Whichever place you end up trying, give us a report!
Happy diving (sea and muff!)
Manta Ray
[QUOTE=Sammon;1142912]Immigration never asks.[/QUOTE]Ah come on. Just because you were not asked doesn't mean Immigration will not ask. If you arrive in any country and expect a on-arrival-visa, you are expected and required to show proof of departure, either by sea or air, and if there is an option of departing via land, like in Singapore / Malaysia, then you may be exempted.
And even you enter a country, with visa issued in advance, Immigration has the right to ask for a return ticket.
Just because you were not asked, doesn't mean immigration will not ask.
(PS, this gets hacked repeatedly. But the airlines as for the return ticket, because, if the immigration decided to refuse entry to the pax, for various reasons, and one of them being not having a valid return ticket, the carrier that flew him / her into the country has to fly him / her out of the country- hence the airline insisitng on seeing the return ticket.. If you don't' believe it, ask any asian who goes to US / Europe, whether they can get in without a return ticket.)
Manta Ray is giving you solid advice, Bloke. In fact, I'm doing a little diving in Subic right now.
PS: Just for reference? For daytime action, Bluerock's floating bar in Baloy treats me very well, and the cuties at Wet Spot bar over in Barrio Barretto give me all I can handle during the evenings.
[QUOTE=Bloke; 1143617]I hope someone out there can advise. I have a week in PI in May and want to dive. I'm not that bothered about the nightlife just so long as there is at least a minimum action so I don't sleep alone.
I went to Sabang / Puerto Galera in December, diving was good and nice little compact nightlife scene which was perfect. I would like to venbture some place else next time however. Lots of great dive possibilities (Coron in Palawan for example) but worried no action.
Thanks in advance.
Bloke[/QUOTE]
When I fly Cebu Airlines I book online so it's an eticket.
The only time they will check is when you check in at the airport to PI. They have to make sure you have a return ticket within 21 days or a visa.
I usually grab my mobile pull up the email which shows my eticket and show them that. Never any problem.
Porter.
[QUOTE=Vandaddio; 1142692]I read somewhere and was also told that immigration wants to see your return ticket.
My travel agent does not ever give me a real ticket anymore and most north amercian airlines do not,
All I get now is a typed, print out, electronic ticket with number and intienarary, it that sufficient? [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bloke;1143617]I hope someone out there can advise. I have a week in PI in May and want to dive. I'm not that bothered about the nightlife just so long as there is at least a minimum action so I don't sleep alone.[/QUOTE]Would suggest that you stop off to either AC, Manila or Cebu and find yourself a suitable companion to accompany you to your dive sight. Especially if you are inclined to dive in a remote area, your fellow divers will drool over your babe and wish they had "brought their own babe'!
[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1143754]Ah come on. Just because you were not asked doesn't mean Immigration will not ask. If you arrive in any country and expect a on-arrival-visa, you are expected and required to show proof of departure, either by sea or air, and if there is an option of departing via land, like in Singapore / Malaysia, then you may be exempted.
And even you enter a country, with visa issued in advance, Immigration has the right to ask for a return ticket.
Just because you were not asked, doesn't mean immigration will not ask.
(PS, this gets hacked repeatedly. But the airlines as for the return ticket, because, if the immigration decided to refuse entry to the pax, for various reasons, and one of them being not having a valid return ticket, the carrier that flew him / her into the country has to fly him / her out of the country- hence the airline insisitng on seeing the return ticket. If you don't' believe it, ask any asian who goes to US / Europe, whether they can get in without a return ticket.) [/QUOTE]Immigration in Philippines do ask for return or onward ticket, in 20 visists to Phils over 12 years I was asked once for
Return ticket, its not worth the risk, as you may be refused entry, or have to pay big bribe.
Just wondering if anybody knows where I can get short term furnished house / apartment rentals near to fields. I am getting a little sick of camping I'and hotels and want somewhere I can relax and cook etc.
[QUOTE=Wild Rover; 1144279]Immigration in Philippines do ask for return or onward ticket, in 20 visists to Phils over 12 years I was asked once for
Return ticket, its not worth the risk, as you may be refused entry, or have to pay big bribe.[/QUOTE]Yes, and worse is having a stamp on your passport and trying to explain at every other country what it means, and filling in YES for 'have you been refused entry in any country'
But some people like to live in the fast lane. Not me.
Good luck. .
there was an interesting on-line article today about how the philippines department of tourism (dot) plans to double tourism in the coming year.
[url]http://ph.news.yahoo.com/philippines-aims-double-tourist-arrivals-081529122.html[/url]
what was more interesting were the comments that poured in about what needs to be done to improve the country if the target is to be achieved and if tourists will want to come.
the usual suspects were trotted out like "naia terminal 1 is a shit-hole as a gateway to the country"; pick-pockets; trash, corrupt policemen, scammer taxi drivers; everyone wanting tips etc. but the interesting one was the number of respondents who mentioned sex-crazed filipinas who chase after foreigners and try to scam them and lure them into immoral acts etc.
check it out, although if your tagalog is not up to speed then you may struggle with some of the commentary.
The objective of increasing tourism is not new; it's been an objective of the government at least since I've been here and probably longer. The major challenge as I see it is that there's so little here-other than decent beaches which are hardly unique to the Philippines-to attract tourists. The lack of anything particularly interesting in the culture, coupled with some of the worst physical infrastructure in Asia and the embassy advisories about instability in the country don't bode well for meeting this objective any time in the near future in my opinion.
Biggest problem is not having a proper airline. Thai, Malaysian, Singapore are way way ahead and bring in the tourists. They need to invest in Phil Airlines making Manila a hub if possible.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1149269]The objective of increasing tourism is not new; it's been an objective of the government at least since I've been here and probably longer. The major challenge as I see it is that there's so little here-other than decent beaches which are hardly unique to the Philippines-to attract tourists. The lack of anything particularly interesting in the culture, coupled with some of the worst physical infrastructure in Asia and the embassy advisories about instability in the country don't bode well for meeting this objective any time in the near future in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mc Don;1149294]Biggest problem is not having a proper airline. Thai, Malaysian, Singapore are way way ahead and bring in the tourists. They need to invest in Phil Airlines making Manila a hub if possible.[/QUOTE]As I read the above, I'm in the airport in Davao, where I've just learned that the next PAL flight to Manila is delayed four hours, thus lending credibility to McDon's point. The fact remains though, even if PAL could be "fixed," the rest of the shoddy infrastructure would remain as would the lack of any compelling reason to come.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1149269]The objective of increasing tourism is not new; it's been an objective of the government at least since I've been here and probably longer. The major challenge as I see it is that there's so little here-other than decent beaches which are hardly unique to the Philippines-to attract tourists. The lack of anything particularly interesting in the culture, coupled with some of the worst physical infrastructure in Asia and the embassy advisories about instability in the country don't bode well for meeting this objective any time in the near future in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Every new Tourism minister has a go at this. Best Tourism minister I can remember was Gemma Araneta Cruz (I think was her name. Back in late 90's) ex model tall and could drink a lot of red wine as I recall from an official dinner or two that I attended.
Well put GE. No infrastructure, people preying on innocent tourists in every corner, Phils will always attract the tourists who want to rough it, but the families in Phuket who are happily paying US$500 per day will never be attracted by Toursism Philipplines except El Nido and Nido wannabees.
[quote=goodenough; 1149335]as i read the above, i'm in the airport in davao, where i've just learned that the next pal flight to manila is delayed four hours, thus lending credibility to mcdon's point. the fact remains though, even if pal could be "fixed," the rest of the shoddy infrastructure would remain as would the lack of any compelling reason to come.
ge[/quote]i don't think that pal is the issue, with cebu pac almost overtaking pal, in terms of pax
come to singapore to see how phil tourism promotes their country. they don't promote destinations: they promote specific hotels and such.
i asked an official as to why they are all out to promote amanpulo, and why not promote the whole country. you know the answer? well, we don't need ****s. as if. those high spenders are the clean ones.
add to it. i could list a lot of instant scammers. and unlike in some touristy countries, the tourists are never insulated from scammers / donation boxes.
heck, even the ocean park has a 'donation' box. what the heck do i pay entrance, and then i am still expected to 'donate'? .
nothing's going to fix their country, as of now. and that' my lord, is my humble opinion.
To continue with why the Tourism Sector is as pathetic as most other sectors of the economy here, I want to recount an experience of this morning that concluded less than 10 minutes ago:
I had an uneventful, quick trip to CDO via Air Philippines from Davao. It left early and arrived early and the entire flight took about 30 minutes. So far so good. My driver was there to meet me, and again, very good so far.
The problems started on arrival at the Mallberry, where I always stay when I'm in CDO. I was greeted warmly by the manager as I walked in and was told that, as I hotel is full (would you believe an Ob / Gyn convention?) and as I had arrived prior to check out time, I would have to wait an hour for my room. Fair enough. Two hours later, after doing a bit of work in the coffee area at the back of the lobby I approached the desk to ask for my key, and the personnel looked at me as if they had never seen me before, had no idea what the hell I was talking about and then stared resolutely at the floor. Staring at the floor is a sure sign that they had forgotten completely about what they were supposed to do, could not admit it, and couldn't think of a credible lie. They were simply paralyzed. The manager, conveniently, was nowhere to be seen.
After another 15-20 minutes, subsequent to a quiet but vitriolic outburst from me, I went back to the desk and was told "It's completely ready sir. Except for the towels." I asked if I was supposed to air dry myself or use kleenex, whereupon someone ran upstairs to put towels in the room. By now. 2 and a half hours have passed.
Earlier, when I first arrived, I jokingly asked the manager of this, one of the most expensive hotels in town, if they were able by now to afford plastic laundry bags as this is the only hotel in which I've ever stayed that doesn't provide them. She told me that laundry bags are available "on special request. ' I can understand why. After all, they must cost at least a peso. So I requested one, which of course wasn't in my room when I finally got into it. So I asked, politely again. Sure enough, about 2 minutes later someone appeared at my door with the comment 'your laundry bags sir." I looked down to see three or four small trash bags (the kind that come off a roll, each large enough to accommodate maybe a pair of pants and a shirt.
Now if this is the best that a reasonably expensive "tourist" hotel can do in this city, there's clearly no hope at all for the general tourism sector. And remember, this is a hotel where I'm well known and to which my company gives a lot of business during any given year.
I think the lousy service, and even worse food, is attributable to a point of view which says "we don't need foreigners." And it's true. The place is so popular with locals, and locals are so used to mediocre service that it's become the standard, they it doesn't need my business, or that of any "picky" foreigner.
I know that as soon as the new Limkatkai Hotel opens I'll leave here and try that, but I have no expectation that the service or the attitude will be any better than it is here: pleasant, friendly, incompetent, inefficient and indifferent.
GE
[quote=goodenough; 1149399]to continue with why the tourism sector is as pathetic as most other sectors of the economy here, i want to recount an experience of this morning that concluded less than 10 minutes ago:
i had an uneventful, quick trip to cdo via air philippines from davao. it left early and arrived early and the entire flight took about 30 minutes. so far so good. my driver was there to meet me, and again, very good so far.
the problems started on arrival at the mallberry, where i always stay when i'm in cdo. i was greeted warmly by the manager as i walked in and was told that, as i hotel is full (would you believe an ob / gyn convention?) and as i had arrived prior to check out time, i would have to wait an hour for my room. fair enough. two hours later, after doing a bit of work in the coffee area at the back of the lobby i approached the desk to ask for my key, and the personnel looked at me as if they had never seen me before, had no idea what the hell i was talking about and then stared resolutely at the floor. staring at the floor is a sure sign that they had forgotten completely about what they were supposed to do, could not admit it, and couldn't think of a credible lie. they were simply paralyzed. the manager, conveniently, was nowhere to be seen.
after another 15-20 minutes, subsequent to a quiet but vitriolic outburst from me, i went back to the desk and was told "it's completely ready sir. except for the towels." i asked if i was supposed to air dry myself or use kleenex, whereupon someone ran upstairs to put towels in the room. by now. 2 and a half hours have passed.
earlier, when i first arrived, i jokingly asked the manager of this, one of the most expensive hotels in town, if they were able by now to afford plastic laundry bags as this is the only hotel in which i've ever stayed that doesn't provide them. she told me that laundry bags are available "on special request. ' i can understand why. after all, they must cost at least a peso. so i requested one, which of course wasn't in my room when i finally got into it. so i asked, politely again. sure enough, about 2 minutes later someone appeared at my door with the comment 'your laundry bags sir." i looked down to see three or four small trash bags (the kind that come off a roll, each large enough to accommodate maybe a pair of pants and a shirt.
now if this is the best that a reasonably expensive "tourist" hotel can do in this city, there's clearly no hope at all for the general tourism sector. and remember, this is a hotel where i'm well known and to which my company gives a lot of business during any given year.
i think the lousy service, and even worse food, is attributable to a point of view which says "we don't need foreigners." and it's true. the place is so popular with locals, and locals are so used to mediocre service that it's become the standard, they it doesn't need my business, or that of any "picky" foreigner.
i know that as soon as the new limkatkai hotel opens i'll leave here and try that, but i have no expectation that the service or the attitude will be any better than it is here: pleasant, friendly, incompetent, inefficient and indifferent.
ge[/quote]i think theres probably 1, 000 guys out there that know exactly what you are saying.
interestingly tho a lot of the local tourism stems from the us balikbayans (people who are filipino americans or is it american filipinos lol ). you should hear them complain about " its not like that in oklahoma or oakland or wherever etc.". but as we all know, it won't change at all.
the definition of speed. its the rate at which a hotel opens with great service, good food and people who know what they are doing, to a hotel with lousy service, no one knows what they are doing and the paint starts peeling on newly painted walls.
Everything GE, FF and McDon has said is true.
I am sure that everyone has some sort of horror anecdote to share even if this is a monger's site.
Nobody has picked up on the point I made in my earlier post with the news cutting that many filipinos are ashamed that so many women here are willing to trade themselves in return for the unique pleasure of meeting a foreign tourist and helping him to spend his cash.
I heard a talkback session on tourism today on radio whilst in a taxi that was disparaging about Cafe Havana as being a place (quote) infested by foreigners and filipina prostitutes in the midst of the high class tourist area of Makati (unquote). I am not sure that Larry J Cruz whose group owns Cafe Havana and other high-class restaurants around Manila would have liked to hear this.
I am interested in the fact that there seems to be a few filipinos who feel that the image of willing filipinas roaming around soliciting sex from foreigners is not a good look to improve tourism in the country. I wouldn't start gnashing my teeth that the good ol' days are over though and that suddenly filipinas will disappear from sight hehe. Nothing much changes in the Phils and if change ever happens then it happens at a snail's pace.
Besides all the items mentioned such as lack of infrastructure, etc, isn't one of the big reasons for low tourism the fact that you don't feel like you are in Asia when you are in PI? As someone else mentioned PI has some beaches but you can ge that many other places. What you get are old churches that look just like the ones in Latin America for example rather than temples and such and medicore food which is not "exotic" or "Asian" like you would get in Thailand or Korea or so forth.
There you go RK, you've raised the issue of the economic impact of prostitution again when I thought we had agreed it was now a closed subject! Seriously, trying to stamp out commercial sex services here is as fruitless as trying to hold back the tides. Mayor Lim tried it by stamping out the bars in Ermita, only to find them regerminating in EDSA Entertainment Complex, the infamous LA Cafe, and others. Unless and until this country manages to make inroads into poverty by providing legitimate economic opportunities for its young people, I doubt that availability will diminish. Since that isn't about to happen within my lifetime or yours, I'd say that there's no reason to be concerned.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1149455]There you go RK, you've raised the issue of the economic impact of prostitution again when I thought we had agreed it was now a closed subject! . . . . <SNIP . . . Unless and until this country manages to make inroads into poverty by providing legitimate economic opportunities for its young people, I doubt that availability will diminish. Since that isn't about to happen within my lifetime or yours, I'd say that there's no reason to be concerned.
GE[/QUOTE]You know me well enough GE to know that I have virtually zero knowledge about the economic impact of anything! My interest is in the sciences. With a splash of home-spun psychology.
You're absolutely correct about not being concerned that much will happen to impinge on prostitution much in the short-term or our lifetimes (whichever come first LOL)
[quote=red kilt;1149451]nobody has picked up on the point i made in my earlier post with the news cutting that many filipinos are ashamed that so many women here are willing to trade themselves in return for the unique pleasure of meeting a foreign tourist and helping him to spend his cash.[/quote]that is 100% true, and, when it comes to more intelligent and a bit capable class, they frown on those who do this. but, then again, if it is done foc, it is ok. .
[quote]i am interested in the fact that there seems to be a few filipinos who feel that the image of willing filipinas roaming around soliciting sex from foreigners is not a good look to improve tourism in the country. i wouldn't start gnashing my teeth that the good ol' days are over though and that suddenly filipinas will disappear from sight hehe. nothing much changes in the phils and if change ever happens then it happens at a snail's pace.[/quote]i had the same arguement, when i was asking. some filipinos here as to their tourism drive being dead. and as i mentioned elsewhere, the answer was 'we don't want ****s'. of course, they forget the thousands of navy boys were praying and doing volunteer work in the phils, during the base days.
and to be honest, their terming hookers as gro, is sort of glorifying the trade.
the funny thing is, every filipino who goes overseas, and meets fellow country-women hookers, have no qualms in screwing their brains off, and still defend their country's honour if a non-filipino calls the filipina hookers as such. to the extent, they end up in jail and all sorts of nonsense, because 'the foreigner degraded the filipina by calling her a hooker. '
i gave up trying to reason with filipinos.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1149451]Everything GE, FF and McDon has said is true.
I heard a talkback session on tourism today on radio whilst in a taxi that was disparaging about Cafe Havana as being a place (quote) infested by foreigners and filipina prostitutes in the midst of the high class tourist area of Makati (unquote). I am not sure that Larry J Cruz whose group owns Cafe Havana and other high-class restaurants around Manila would have liked to hear this.[/QUOTE]Hi RK. Somewhat sadly Larry passed away a few years back. I'm not sure who is now the head of the company he started. Larry was an absolutely fine fellow, a man who could mix equally well in both Filipino and Western cultures. He was also an extremely shrewd restaurateur, who started with the original Havana in Malate, along with a small club in Malate where a young singer called Gary Valenciano used to do the late night show.
Gary Valenciano became the mega selling OPM star Gary V, and Larry got rich and richer.
Incidently, another Larry Cruz restaurant in Bonifacio High Street is dedicated to Larry's father and features many old photos of him.
Ok local history lesson over.
Econo Tech, what does FOC mean? The closest I could find in the abbreviations thread was : FOV Finger Outside Vagina.
[QUOTE=David_33;1149582]Econo Tech, what does FOC mean? The closest I could find in the abbreviations thread was : FOV Finger Outside Vagina.[/QUOTE]Free of charge?
[QUOTE=David_33;1149582]Econo Tech, what does FOC mean? The closest I could find in the abbreviations thread was : FOV Finger Outside Vagina.[/QUOTE]Common abbreviation in use worldwide. FOC = Free of Charge. The kind of sex I like LOL. And Quite different to FOB, which is in use for when you have a chubby gal on top LOL.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1149501]Hi RK. Somewhat sadly Larry passed away a few years back. I'm not sure who is now the head of the company he started. Larry was an absolutely fine fellow, a man who could mix equally well in both Filipino and Western cultures. He was also an extremely shrewd restaurateur, who started with the original Havana in Malate, along with a small club in Malate where a young singer called Gary Valenciano used to do the late night show.
Gary Valenciano became the mega selling OPM star Gary V, and Larry got rich and richer.
Incidently, another Larry Cruz restaurant in Bonifacio High Street is dedicated to Larry's father and features many old photos of him.
Ok local history lesson over. [/QUOTE]Ahhh thanks for that heads-up FF.
I thought it was Abe, the father, who died but you're right. LJC died in 2008.
Well maybe he might roll over in the grave if he knew that the emphasis on his flagship resto Cafe Havan these days was not food and beverage but something else.
BTW. I am not complaining. As fellow ISG guys can testify, many a pleasant evening has been had at Havana in Greenbelt.
[QUOTE=Toronto;1149454]Besides all the items mentioned such as lack of infrastructure, etc, isn't one of the big reasons for low tourism the fact that you don't feel like you are in Asia when you are in PI? As someone else mentioned PI has some beaches but you can ge that many other places. What you get are old churches that look just like the ones in Latin America for example rather than temples and such and medicore food which is not "exotic" or "Asian" like you would get in Thailand or Korea or so forth.[/QUOTE]Then why do so many people go to Hong Kong? It's pretty much one concrete jungle, with few of the exotic temples you'd expect in a locale like China or rural China.
Besides, there's nothing unexotic about the Philippines. They have a unique hybrid culture that I'd bet many people would like to experience.
PI lacks tourism because it's tourist infrastruture sucks and there is widespread perception it's unsafe to go there. Pure and simple. Do you know how hard it was to buy a Lonely Planet's guide to the Philippines? I went to several bookstores here in California but was unsuccessful. I had to buy it online. People simply don't perceive PI as a place for R&R.
[QUOTE=FurryFriend; 1149716]Then why do so many people go to Hong Kong? It's pretty much one concrete jungle, with few of the exotic temples you'd expect in a locale like China or rural China.
Besides, there's nothing unexotic about the Philippines. They have a unique hybrid culture that I'd bet many people would like to experience.
PI lacks tourism because it's tourist infrastruture sucks and there is widespread perception it's unsafe to go there. Pure and simple. Do you know how hard it was to buy a Lonely Planet's guide to the Philippines? I went to several bookstores here in California but was unsuccessful. I had to buy it online. People simply don't perceive PI as a place for R&R. [/QUOTE]First of all, if read my post I was simply suggesting another reason and not discounting the other items mentioned. As far as Hong Kong is concerned, people go there for the same reason people go to any big metropolis in Asia or anywhere. Besides, most North Americans or Europeans will feel like they are in Asia in cites like Hong Kong, Tokyo, Seoul or Singapore even if you if you feel they are nothing but concrete jungles.
I never said PI was not exotic, places can be exotic without having to be Asian. I'm not disagreeing with the lack of infrastructure or the preceived dangers. But just remember, many of the people I know for example felt Thailand was dangerous because of what was happening with the demonstrations or what not but that doesn't stop people from going just as what happened in Egypt won't stop people from going there (temporailiy yes but not long term). And the limited availability of guide books is the result of low demand, not the cause of the low demand itself.
I went to visit the Philippines a few months ago. I visited with a nice girl there. A few weeks later, she send me an email that she was pregnant by me, and she wanted me to give her 15, 000 peso for abortion. I did not answer her and now she is threatening me with the Philippine government. She knows the hotel I stayed in and she said she can track me down by hotel registration or my Smart cell phone number. Is this possible?
[QUOTE=Redon;1150275]I went to visit the Philippines a few months ago. I visited with a nice girl there. A few weeks later, she send me an email that she was pregnant by me, and she wanted me to give her 15, 000 peso for abortion. I did not answer her and now she is threatening me with the Philippine government. She knows the hotel I stayed in and she said she can track me down by hotel registration or my Smart cell phone number. Is this possible?[/QUOTE]If she is under say 3 months preg she could take Cytotic tablets costing about 1500P for a 3 months dosage. I think a suction abortion would cost around 10-12 k Peso in Cebu. Very unlikely that the Phil gment would get involved in tracking down fathers of unmarried mums here. If you did have unprotected sex then you have something of a dilemma as she maybe scamming she may be telling the truth. Which is one reason I always use condoms.
[QUOTE=Redon;1150275]I went to visit the Philippines a few months ago. I visited with a nice girl there. A few weeks later, she send me an email that she was pregnant by me, and she wanted me to give her 15, 000 peso for abortion. I did not answer her and now she is threatening me with the Philippine government. She knows the hotel I stayed in and she said she can track me down by hotel registration or my Smart cell phone number. Is this possible?[/QUOTE]It is probably within the realm of possibility, but then so is the possibility that when you flip a coin it might land on its edge. The odds are so overwhelmingly against her being able to do anything to you that they're minuscule. First, unless you have Smart post-paid and used a foreign address for your account, she can't track you that way. Second, it's highly doubtful the hotel would share information with her. If she's from a "connected" family with lots of money, and knows your correct full name there's a vague possibility that she might be able to prevent your re-entry into the country, but that's dubious as well.
GE
Looking for the SMS gateways for Smart and Global.
I do not text but want to send SMS messages to phones in the P. I. With my email program.
Can do it stateside via AT&T and other carriers.
Thanks,
Slim
You can try [url]www.chikka.com[/url]
[QUOTE=Nvslim; 1150532]Looking for the SMS gateways for Smart and Global.
I do not text but want to send SMS messages to phones in the P. I. With my email program.
Can do it stateside via AT&T and other carriers.
Thanks,
Slim[/QUOTE]
All,
Whats the best way to communicate with target mongering flesh met on DIA or at bars, etc? Sometimes chat is not quick enough.
Are personal major brand smart phones from USA recommended? I can't find the SIM card there, which seem to be everywhere. Don't know about that option.
Thanks.
Just to share.
I ride a big bike in Malaysia and once I bought a liquid called Rain Move. It's to put it on the visor of the helmet during rain, so that the drops don't stick to the visor. Better and clearer sight.
I had it in my backpack, forgot to take it out and used that backpack for my trip to AC. Neither in KL nor in Clark they detected it (250ml!) and the stuff is declared on the bottle as [b]flammable! [/b]
Welcome to flight safety, hehe. On the other hand they make a huge noise because of a bottle of water.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=Marconista; 1150567]You can try.
[url]www.chikka.com[/url][/QUOTE]Appreciate it.
Slim
[QUOTE=Redon;1150275]I went to visit the Philippines a few months ago. I visited with a nice girl there. A few weeks later, she send me an email that she was pregnant by me, and she wanted me to give her 15, 000 peso for abortion. I did not answer her and now she is threatening me with the Philippine government. She knows the hotel I stayed in and she said she can track me down by hotel registration or my Smart cell phone number. Is this possible?[/QUOTE]Tell her you have had your Vasectomy and see how she responds. And don't bother telling her that she can't do shit with the government threats. Filipinos are emotionally driven to the extent of killing a person and not regretting, as long as it is done to defend the honour of the country men.
[QUOTE=Redon;1150275]I went to visit the Philippines a few months ago. I visited with a nice girl there. A few weeks later, she send me an email that she was pregnant by me, and she wanted me to give her 15, 000 peso for abortion. I did not answer her and now she is threatening me with the Philippine government. She knows the hotel I stayed in and she said she can track me down by hotel registration or my Smart cell phone number. Is this possible?[/QUOTE]She is trying to scam you. Filipinas are usually delighted to be knocked up by a foreigner and abortion is highly unlikely to cross their minds. Her threats prove that she is a hardcore scammer who does this routinely. Keep ignoring her.
Hello,
I search agency escort in philippine who are good with real pictures of girl.
If you know a site, Thank you answer me
[QUOTE=Azertiefou; 1151013]Hello,
I search agency escort in philippine who are good with real pictures of girl.
If you know a site, Thank you answer me[/QUOTE]What kind of silly games are you playing? All of your 21 posts have been logged within the last month asking the same idiotic questions in the Ukraine, Czech Republic, Dominican Republic, Thailand, Spain and Philippine threads. Why don't you do everyone a favour and stop cluttering the boards up with your idiotic questions
Thanks guys for all your suggestions. I will just keep on ignoring here since there is no upside to answering her.
[QUOTE=Azertiefou; 1151013]Hello,
I search agency escort in philippine who are good with real pictures of girl.
If you know a site, Thank you answer me[/QUOTE]Are you doing a research or window shopping?
I had a similar scam in similar situation recently.
A woman that I had spent a couple of days with on my last trip goes quiet, no emails or YM messages, then tells me that she is pregnant by me.
I immediately suspected a scam, because I have had a vasectomy. She knew that, but insisted that the child is mine, because she did not have sex with any other guy at that time.
My first response was to tell her that I am very happy to have a child, but I have to be sure that it is mine.
There are legal issues about registration at my embassy for citizenship, and the embassy will check everything.
What is the due date for the birth? Can I come to the hospital when the baby is born so that I can watch the birth?
I want to come to her house to talk with her about the baby, and to enjoy her pregnancy.
I asked her for her home address so that I can come to see her, and to discuss the situation with her mother, since the whole of her family will be affected.
She would not tell me her home address, or any other personal information that I asked for. I did know her full name, and her date of birth, plus the city where she lived.
I said that I will have to get a sperm count for my vasectomy.
(I did not actually do this, but I told her that the sperm count was zero, and I can not make anyone pregnant)
Then I told her that since this is a citizenship matter, I will need a DNA check to confirm that the baby is mine.
I then told her that I had gone to see an ob / gyn about the date of birth, and the ob / gyn said that it was not possible. (I did not actually do this, just told her that I did).
I asked her to take some photos, so that I could see her big belly and my baby, but none came.
Then I told her that I had engaged my attorney in the Phils for advice, since it is a matter of paternity, citizenship, and other legal responsibilities that I had.
Then I told her that my attorney had engaged a private investigator to find her home address, so that I could come to see her, and confirm that she really is 8 months pregnant. Her response is that she can met me somewhere else, no need to get her mother involved. No need for a private investigator.
Her responses to this stream of messages had become increasingly defensive, and eventually, she said that she would not ask me for money for the baby, since I did not seem to be very accepting of my situation.
My response was that I am very pleased to have a child, and very pleased to support it, but I must be sure that it really is mine, and my attorney is concerned that if the facts are not correct, then this becomes a matter of extortion and fraud.
She is now becoming hysterical, because her scam could putt her in Jail.
I told her that I had kept copies of all of her texts, emails and YM messages, because my attorney wanted this as documentation of the real situation.
All communication suddenly stopped.
Total, deathly silence.
From my perspective, the best form of defence is attack. If she is going to play hard ball, then I am going to play harder. If she is right, then I am pleased to be part of it.
If she is scamming, then the stakes for her are become higher than the potential rewards.
Turn the game around from one of defence, to one of attack.
Well done! The most perfect, elegant response to a scam artist that I've ever heard.
Actually, with girls asking for "tuition" fees, I do something similar: I want to know in which school they are enrolled, I want them to scan a document from school confirming this and I want to know their grades from previous semesters.
Only one was decent enough to provide me all this information (separated mother of three, doing a re-training as nursing assistant). She's the only one (so far) that could count on my help and support.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1151469]Well done! The most perfect, elegant response to a scam artist that I've ever heard.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gangles; 1151467]My response was that I am very pleased to have a child, and very pleased to support it, but I must be sure that it really is mine, and my attorney is concerned that if the facts are not correct, then this becomes a matter of extortion and fraud.
She is now becoming hysterical, because her scam could putt her in Jail.
I told her that I had kept copies of all of her texts, emails and YM messages, because my attorney wanted this as documentation of the real situation.
From my perspective, the best form of defence is attack. If she is going to play hard ball, then I am going to play harder. If she is right, then I am pleased to be part of it.
If she is scamming, then the stakes for her are become higher than the potential rewards.
Turn the game around from one of defence, to one of attack. [/QUOTE]Best thing to do is stop communicating if you know you are unlikely to be the father.
Do not threaten any way in case you want to visit Phi often. Phi people are capable of violence if they know of your plans and find irrespective of if her complaints are baseless.
Threats do not work. In thirld world countries the police or judicial system are least worried about extortion or scam unless it includes murder, kidnapping etc.
It is practically impossible for the girl to be scared. No Phi attorneys will take your case of extortion even if you try to hire one.
This is a age old scam putting paternity even here in USA. All are lkooking for support and free money.
[QUOTE=Sammon; 1151556]Best thing to do is stop communicating if you know you are unlikely to be the father.
Do not threaten any way in case you want to visit Phi often. Phi people are capable of violence if they know of your plans and find irrespective of if her complaints are baseless.
Threats do not work. In thirld world countries the police or judicial system are least worried about extortion or scam unless it includes murder, kidnapping etc.
It is practically impossible for the girl to be scared. No Phi attorneys will take your case of extortion even if you try to hire one.
This is a age old scam putting paternity even here in USA. All are lkooking for support and free money. [/QUOTE]Sammon.
My guess is that Gangles knows this already and I don't think he was suggesting hiring a Phil attorney for real. Most Filipinas that we meet are extremely poor and in comparison we are very wealthy. They know perfectly well how corrupt the judiciary and police are and threats can and do work, especially if they think you have the means to bribe the police or officials or you have some connections. IMHO they are even less likely to know which cases an attorney would or would not take on, when the client is backed up with the financial means to engage legal counsel.
I once threatened the landlady of my regular gf in Alegria when she caused some really unwarranted and upsetting mischief to my gf. I was very angry and told her I would pay the local Barangay police to arrest her and you should have seen the genuine fear on her face and her grovelling apology to my gf
[QUOTE=Sammon;1151556]No Phi attorneys will take your case of extortion even if you try to hire one.[/QUOTE]Are you kidding? In the Philippines, an attorney will take any case, no matter how nutzo, as long as they get their fees up front.
[QUOTE=Radical Guy;1151660]Are you kidding? In the Philippines, an attorney will take any case, no matter how nutzo, as long as they get their fees up front.[/QUOTE]Same goes for any dirtbag Attorney in the good old USA. It's not about winning. It's about separating you from your wallet.
[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1150832]Just to share.
I ride a big bike in Malaysia and once I bought a liquid called Rain Move. It's to put it on the visor of the helmet during rain, so that the drops don't stick to the visor. Better and clearer sight.
I had it in my backpack, forgot to take it out and used that backpack for my trip to AC. Neither in KL nor in Clark they detected it (250ml!) and the stuff is declared on the bottle as [b]flammable! [/b]
Welcome to flight safety, hehe. On the other hand they make a huge noise because of a bottle of water.
Cheers![/QUOTE]Hi Ekspat. Hope Malaysia treating you well. I left Manila last night to fly back to Taipei.
Was tired from too much bonking so when I come to the hand baggage check I notice there are no plastic bins for shoes. They are expected to just go on the belt. I asked the security guy why we pay p750 if they couldn't even provide plastic bins.
The guy must have heard this 1000 times. He snapped and said " Its different in Philippines, why do you white people all complain about this "." Every day I hear this same story about no plastic bins" " Go complain to my supervisor " he shouted.
So yeah they make fuss about water, we apparently make fuss that a noisy hot airport has inadequate facilities for which we and every other passenger pay P750 every exit. Philippines boleh LOL
Looking for the SMS gateways for Smart and Global.
I do not text but want to send SMS messages to phones in the P. I. With my email program.
Can do it stateside via AT&T and other carriers.
Marconista suggested "You can try [url]www.chikka.com[/url]", but would be more comfortable using my e-mail program.
Thanks,
Slim
If you read my post, you will see that I made no threat.
Her fear came from the possibility that a PI would actually check barungay records and find her address. And that a PI would actuallly sight her and her condition.
She created her own fear.
G
Just got home I will give a report of my great time in manila and cebu. I wanted to ask you did anyone have the same experience I did with immigration. The officer there said did you go to Philippines to meet your gf I said yes he told me never marry her never bring her here to USA I said why. He told me he seen to many come here and divorce they just want you to come here. I said thanks you just ruined my day he said just trying to help you.
[QUOTE=Bonkers1;1153788]Just got home I will give a report of my great time in manila and cebu. I wanted to ask you did anyone have the same experience I did with immigration. The officer there said did you go to Philippines to meet your gf I said yes he told me never marry her never bring her here to USA I said why. He told me he seen to many come here and divorce they just want you to come here. I said thanks you just ruined my day he said just trying to help you.[/QUOTE]Yes. He was just being nice to you. He didn't tell you any lies. It's good to see that immigration was looking out for your welfare instead of harassing you.
I received a similar comment from Immigration in Lax. Had the feeling the guy was ex-military and probaby knew what he was talking about.
[QUOTE=David_33;1153802]I received a similar comment from Immigration in Lax. Had the feeling the guy was ex-military and probaby knew what he was talking about.[/QUOTE]The guy was just giving you his advice, because he sees so many white guys thinking with their dick and overlooking the obvious.
My buddy was in the military and he said many guys get offered lots of cash for a scam marriage.
[QUOTE=Redon;1150275]I went to visit the Philippines a few months ago. I visited with a nice girl there. A few weeks later, she send me an email that she was pregnant by me, and she wanted me to give her 15, 000 peso for abortion. I did not answer her and now she is threatening me with the Philippine government. She knows the hotel I stayed in and she said she can track me down by hotel registration or my Smart cell phone number. Is this possible?[/QUOTE]Look speaking from personal experience when I was a rookie mongering around in Cebu, I ran into the same issue with a girl that I trusted and thought we were an item, and by the way I was sending her money every month (7 months) until I got wise and when I went back, I told her that I could not support her because funds were dry and I noticed her whole behaviour towards me changed. We always used a condom however one night, I am not sure what happened, I drank too much and after sex she made it a point (drama) oh condom came off or broke, I can't remember. All I know is when I got home. 3 weeks later she tells me she missed her period and is worried because she thinks she is pregnant.
To cut a long story short, I was scared and worried but after talking to people and other filipinos here is the States, they told me she was scamming me. Sure enough she sent me an email confirming that she was pregnant and wanted to do an abortion but she had no money. Look it was a hard time for me but my Filipino friends told me that an Abortion in the filipines is a very big deal and not so easy to get done. She did threaten me that she would go to the American embassy blah blah but I did not cave in.
You should call her bluff and break yourself away from this. This is just my 2 cents. Good Luck.
A. B
[quote=bonkers1;1153788]just got home i will give a report of my great time in manila and cebu. i wanted to ask you did anyone have the same experience i did with immigration. the officer there said did you go to philippines to meet your gf i said yes he told me never marry her never bring her here to usa i said why. he told me he seen to many come here and divorce they just want you to come here. i said thanks you just ruined my day he said just trying to help you.[/quote]that may be true a majority of the time, but not always. my filipina wife and i have been married for 6 years, and she's been a us citizen for 2 years. we have a 27-year age difference-our marriage is better than ever, and going strong. she still "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url]" me on a regular basis!
interestingly, when my wife was still my fiancee in the philippines, part of the fiancee visa process was a requirement, by the philippine government, that she attend a "counseling session" conducted by the commission on filipinos overseas (cfo) and obtain a certificate from them. otherwise, even with the passport and us visa, the philippine government wouldn't let her leave the philippines.
anyway, the cfo "counseling" is conducted by nuns who try to persuade the filipina not to marry the foreign guy, making claims that all foreign men beat and sometimes murder their brides for insurance money. they even show them a film with all sorts of horror stories. only after this day-long "counseling" do they finally issue the cfo certificate.
rg
[QUOTE=Bonkers1;1153788]Just got home I will give a report of my great time in manila and cebu. I wanted to ask you did anyone have the same experience I did with immigration. The officer there said did you go to Philippines to meet your gf I said yes he told me never marry her never bring her here to USA I said why. He told me he seen to many come here and divorce they just want you to come here. I said thanks you just ruined my day he said just trying to help you.[/QUOTE]This may be the first time I've actually heard of an Immigration officer actually being kind and offering sage advice instead of just hassling people for no reason other than he can and he's bored. I'd be interested in knowing the divorce rate for imported beaver from Phils. I'd guess it's around 80% based on what I've witnessed. Think about it? What LBFM beaver would have any interest in a man 30 years older than her other than his money. I know of one flip who filed for divorce as soon as the pre nup expired and took half his net worth. The reason I know is I was banging her even before she split up with the old geezer.
[QUOTE=Radical Guy;1151660]Are you kidding? In the Philippines, an attorney will take any case, no matter how nutzo, as long as they get their fees up front.[/QUOTE]The attorney will lean more towards the side that will give him a bigger reward to close the case.
[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1153888]This may be the first time I've actually heard of an Immigration officer actually being kind and offering sage advice instead of just hassling people for no reason other than he can and he's bored. I'd be interested in knowing the divorce rate for imported beaver from Phils. I'd guess it's around 80% based on what I've witnessed. Think about it? What LBFM beaver would have any interest in a man 30 years older than her other than his money. I know of one flip who filed for divorce as soon as the pre nup expired and took half his net worth. The reason I know is I was banging her even before she split up with the old geezer.[/QUOTE]Screaming Beaver,
The odds of keeping imported Philippine beaver, Castor Philippinesis, in captivity for any significant length of time is about the same as the chance of being mauled by an orangutan and a silverback in the same day. Only poor guys with no assets to lose should attempt the importation of foreign beaver. Philippine beaver can be a very destructive species when released in the heavily wooded areas of the United States, Canada and Western Europe. Many elderly guys get more than they bargained for when they end up with a rabid beaver on their hands. The beaver's main aim is to migrate to areas rich in resources to provide for its family members. The beaver handler will be expected to feed the extended family or he will have to deal with an angry beaver.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1153929]Screaming Beaver,[/QUOTE]I would substitute Philippine beaver with "ASIAN BEAVER".
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1153929]Screaming Beaver,[/QUOTE]I would substitute Philippine beaver with "ASIAN BEAVER".
i'm sure this type of story is told about women from every 3rd world country.
[quote]they marry just to get to america, then run away as soon as possible.[/quote]i was told the same thing about the korean woman that i was married to for 21 years. funny thing is, when we divorced, she chose to stay in korea.
statistics can be skewed any way the presenter wants to skew them. what may be true for one is not necessarily true for all. i would advise any many thinking of marrying a woman from any country outside of the us to not do it. not because of the possibility of her running. but because of how badly his bank account will be raped by the us government's fees for every immigration application required. it's better to take her through mexico, and let her sneak across the border with the rest of the illegal immigrants. maybe she will then get lucky and be granted amnesty by a politician wanting to look good.
Two Swedish men have been jailed for life in the Philippines for running a cybersex den in which naked women performed acts for clients watching over the Internet, a court official said Wednesday.
[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4834063[/url]
[QUOTE=Bonkers1; 1153788]Just got home I will give a report of my great time in manila and cebu. I wanted to ask you did anyone have the same experience I did with immigration. The officer there said did you go to Philippines to meet your gf I said yes he told me never marry her never bring her here to USA I said why. He told me he seen to many come here and divorce they just want you to come here. I said thanks you just ruined my day he said just trying to help you. [/QUOT.
Let me explane my feelings. I was with 3 women from dia I talked to 2 of them for 6 months they were 24, 31, and 39 years old. They all were great with sex I was suprised I thought younger would be better but all would do anything I ask and then some. I fell in love with the older one our personalitys matched we could talk for hours. Next time I was comming to Philippines I was going to ask her to marry me. I read many post here for a long time and you all helped me a lot so I respect what you tell me. Only 1 person was happy they marry. I will think hard about what you have told me about marriage. I love her and I think she loves me for me not my money I do not want to be hurt thanks for all your advice.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1154053]Two Swedish men have been jailed for life in the Philippines for running a cybersex den in which naked women performed acts for clients watching over the Internet, a court official said Wednesday.
[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4834063[/url][/QUOTE]WTF is this? So if you make some porn films in the PI, you go to prison for life? WTF?
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/11/swedes-jailed-philippines-porn_n_860448.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Marconista; 1150567]You can try.
[url]www.chikka.com[/url][/QUOTE]Works pretty good. Had to use my hotmail alias because the site would not accept my US ISP's address. Almost instantaneous testing.
Thanks again,
Slim
[QUOTE=Xfactors; 1154103]WTF is this? So if you make some porn films in the PI, you go to prison for life? WTF?
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/11/swedes-jailed-philippines-porn_n_860448.html[/url][/QUOTE]You should be happy that GMA abolished Death penalty. And these guys were not lynched.
In asian countries, Porn / Prostitution is serious enough.
[QUOTE=Slippery; 1153905]May I please know your ethnicity and country where you live so I might insult every fucking gene you have and country you are from? Flip = spic= nigger=whop=gunea=honkey=keik.
Are you stupid? Must be a Mexican[/QUOTE]Thank you for posting what you did. I really can't understand why guys think they can denigrate another nationality. Is it a superiority thing? Filipinas are the correct term. Same as Indonesians are for that nationality.
Lets show some respect here please.
[quote=econo tech; 1154280]you should be happy that gma abolished death penalty. and these guys were not lynched.
in asian countries, porn / prostitution is serious enough. [/quote]well, i've since read some more about this case, and it looks like these two guys had some **** females working for them. that may be why they came down so hard on them. you play with **** females, you playing with fire.
i don't see why porn is so verboten in asia, when prostitution is so prevalent in asia. that seems kind of silly to me.
[quote=xfactors; 1154350]well, i've since read some more about this case, and it looks like these two guys had some **** females working for them. that may be why they came down so hard on them. you play with **** females, you playing with fire.
i don't see why porn is so verboten in asia, when prostitution is so prevalent in asia. that seems kind of silly to me.[/quote]this is asia, and whoring and porn are not accepted. end of story.
and not legal.
and that's my 2 cents advisor to anybody who try to pick fight with bar girls in asia. they can always turn the table and make you the criminal, and one yell that you called her a working girl is enough to make the local's blood boiling to a raging fury. and after all, as the news says' they were violating the modesty of fellow country girls. regardless it was consensual or not
play safe.
ps: as i said, they got of easy. in my opinion. and in singapore, they would have been caned as well. for under-age sex. [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5ab_1172940415[/url]
and, note that they are charged with 'trafficking' try to argue with a judge selling porn is not = trafficking.
[quote=xfactors; 1154350]well, i've since read some more about this case, and it looks like these two guys had some **** females working for them. that may be why they came down so hard on them. you play with **** females, you playing with fire.
i don't see why porn is so verboten in asia, when prostitution is so prevalent in asia. that seems kind of silly to me. [/quote]generally these are double standards. locals have many of these sex dens webcam centers. locals do not care **** or whatever. local officials will say it is a means of support for them. they do not want foreigners owning or operating anything concerning the girls including bars.
I'm planning another trip soon. I've been to sabang in PG and I took a girl with me, but she said sabang because white beach is more bars and she was very jealous. Is white beach good for picking up women? Or should I still take one with me? Also, if it's not a great place to hobby, what's the best beach to go and hobby? I've been to Angeles a couple times, but never Subic. I was thinking there, but I want a nice beach with several normal bars as well as hooker bars.
Any suggestions?
[quote=sammon;1154482]generally these are double standards. locals have many of these sex dens webcam centers. locals do not care **** or whatever. local officials will say it is a means of support for them. they do not want foreigners owning or operating anything concerning the girls including bars.[/quote]those guys hanged out with the wrong people. life sentence if you run an internet porn site but you can be a congressman if you steal millions from the government. i love this country! and oh, btw this country is run by gay and **** catholic priest.
I don't see why porn is so verboten in Asia, when prostitution is so prevalent in Asia. That seems kind of silly to me.[/QUOTE]Interesting to note that Porn in Asia is centuries old and the evidence to prove
It is in plain sight. Elaborate, detailed and anatomically correct graphic depictions.
Of sexual (pornographic) activities can be found on temple walls in several Asian countries.
Well look at it. A police captain can look good busting 2 white guys for running porn. The country looks good putting it in the news."Look Hillary!". Busting some locals for the same thing? That would make the country look bad. Better to take the bribes.
[quote=sammon;1154482]generally these are double standards. locals have many of these sex dens webcam centers. locals do not care **** or whatever. local officials will say it is a means of support for them. they do not want foreigners owning or operating anything concerning the girls including bars.[/quote]sorry to disappoint you. no double standards. to look good, a foreigner getting arrested, and being marked as the cause of all misery. wins votes. . .
the police chief, i am sure, is the next election candidate.
and if you guys are still trying to argue that the cops were wrong. get a life. or stay home. home. away and far away from asia.
sort of like the time in india, when i was driving and got rear ended by a local tuk-tuk. lo and behold. all the natives accused me of causing the accident, as i had stopped for a freaking red light.
i had to say sorry and drive off. rather than trying to prove who was at fault.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1154631]Sort of like the time in India, when I was driving and got rear ended by a local tuk-tuk. Lo and behold. All the natives accused ME of causing the accident, as I had stopped FOR A FREAKING RED LIGHT.
I had to say sorry and drive off. Rather than trying to prove who was at fault. [/QUOTE]And for sure don't go to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
The law, not some local rumour, but the actual law states in black and white, that in the event of an accident between a Saudi and foreigner the foreigner will ALWAYS be deemed to be at fault. The rationale behind this, is that if the foreigner wasnt in Saudi or Kuwait, then there wouldn't have been an accident so logically, the foreigner must be at fault.
[QUOTE=Kycuriosity; 1154492]I'm planning another trip soon. I've been to sabang in PG and I took a girl with me, but she said sabang because white beach is more bars and she was very jealous. Is white beach good for picking up women? Or should I still take one with me? Also, if it's not a great place to hobby, what's the best beach to go and hobby? I've been to Angeles a couple times, but never Subic. I was thinking there, but I want a nice beach with several normal bars as well as hooker bars.
Any suggestions? [/QUOTE]I'm not an expert, but I don't think you go to White Beach alone. The bar fine bars are in Sabang. I'd probably stay there and find transport to White Beach to enjoy only during the day if you don't have someone with you and I mean of the female gender.
[QUOTE=Jambo;1154558]Well look at it. A police captain can look good busting 2 white guys for running porn. The country looks good putting it in the news."Look Hillary!". Busting some locals for the same thing? That would make the country look bad. Better to take the bribes.[/QUOTE]Take a look at how the news is reported in many places in Asia. Bad news will generally feature " foreigners".
Read the newspapers in Malaysia and Indonesia and always crime suspects are "foreigners". Same in Philippines. Theres not many stories about how much aid is given to Philippines by foreign countries, or the foreign volunteers that help NGO's, thats not newsworthy.
Whats news worthy is to heap blame on foreigners as then the morality of the country is not impacted.
But look deeper at these type of webcam operations and the small print will always state theres a Filipina wife / girlfriend or business partner. There always is.
[quote=jambo;1154558]well look at it. a police captain can look good busting 2 white guys for running porn. the country looks good putting it in the news."look hillary!". busting some locals for the same thing? that would make the country look bad. better to take the bribes.[/quote]this should serve as a red flag to isg members. if you take pictures of your girl, and get caught with them, maybe that could result in a life sentence. or, if she is not **** they may go easy and give you only a 25-year sentence?
i love the pictures you guys post, but be careful out there!
rg
[quote=radical guy; 1154755]this should serve as a red flag to isg members. if you take pictures of your girl, and get caught with them, maybe that could result in a life sentence. or, if she is not **** they may go easy and give you only a 25-year sentence?
i love the pictures you guys post, but be careful out there!
rg[/quote]theres a supposed interview with the two swedish guys. they also say "how come we were involved in an operation that employed adults serving adults. for which we are convicted. meanwhile theres rampant prostitution in all areas of the country." they raise the double standards / hypocracy question quite rightly.
[quote=freebiefan;1154763]theres a supposed interview with the two swedish guys. they also say "how come we were involved in an operation that employed adults serving adults. for which we are convicted. meanwhile theres rampant prostitution in all areas of the country." they raise the double standards / hypocracy question quite rightly.[/quote]the 2 swedish guys aren't in sweden. they're in pi. it's that simple, isn't it?
in europe hashish is more or less legal, no big deal, but i've never touched it in sea. in germany no speed limit on the highway, in sea we have it. so i accept it whether it makes sense or not. just go by the rules and stay out of these notorious businesses.
should be fine then.
After reading several insightful comments regarding the "Swedish Porn Bust"
One can appreciate what a powerful and probing series of articles we could provide
For the S E Asian press establishment. Discrimination, hypocrisy, racism, corruption, double standards,
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], the list goes on. They would be interested in the truth, right. Uh, right?
when in rome, do as the romans do.
[quote=ekspat; 1154860]the 2 swedish guys aren't in sweden. they're in pi. it's that simple, isn't it?
in europe hashish is more or less legal, no big deal, but i've never touched it in sea. in germany no speed limit on the highway, in sea we have it. so i accept it whether it makes sense or not. just go by the rules and stay out of these notorious businesses.
should be fine then.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Questor 55; 1154914]After reading several insightful comments regarding the "Swedish Porn Bust"
One can appreciate what a powerful and probing series of articles we could provide
For the S E Asian press establishment. Discrimination, hypocrisy, racism, corruption, double standards,
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], the list goes on. They would be interested in the truth, right. Uh, right? [/QUOTE]You may be at the receiving end. Heck, you WILL be at the receiving end for instigating trouble, domestic discord, bringing the honored press and democracy to disrepute, and last if not least, for you being an agent of a western spy organisation hell bent on destabilisation
Stay away from Asia, if you want to preach your morales. .
[QUOTE=Kycuriosity; 1154492]I'm planning another trip soon. I've been to sabang in PG and I took a girl with me, but she said sabang because white beach is more bars and she was very jealous. Is white beach good for picking up women? Or should I still take one with me? Also, if it's not a great place to hobby, what's the best beach to go and hobby? I've been to Angeles a couple times, but never Subic. I was thinking there, but I want a nice beach with several normal bars as well as hooker bars.
Any suggestions? [/QUOTE]Your questions has been discussed numerous times, but I'll answer them. "Humans tend to repeat themselves".
White Beach has a nice beach; there are no girlie bars; there are only bars on the beach that cater to local and foreign tourists. White beach is known for its beach, not its bars. Never partied there during the night; you probably can chase tourist and local staff.
The best place in that area for P4P is Sabang; there are 7 girlie bars. Sabang is developed. But Sabang's beach is not that good. You can walk approx 25 minutes to Big Laguna for the better beach (but it's not as good as White Beach) ; there's no girlie bars in Big Laguna. You can rent a boat (? Maybe 40 minutes) or take the local land transportation (? Maybe between 40 minutes to 2 hours depending on method) to White Beach.
I normally stay in Sabang or Small Laguna. During the day, I would scuba dive or rent a boat, and have fun in the water / small islands or in White Beach, and party in Sabang during the night.
Subic has a decent beach (IMO, but some people don't like it); Subic beaches are better than Sabang, but not as good as White Beach. Subic has many more girlie bars than Sabang. I like Subic for a change of pace from Angeles; plus it's only a short trip from Angeles.
There will be "normal" bars in any area that is developed. Subic probably has the least amount of "normal" female tourists.
[QUOTE=Questor 55; 1154914]After reading several insightful comments regarding the "Swedish Porn Bust"
One can appreciate what a powerful and probing series of articles we could provide
For the S E Asian press establishment. Discrimination, hypocrisy, racism, corruption, double standards,
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], the list goes on. They would be interested in the truth, right. Uh, right? [/QUOTE]This wouldn't even be news to them. The press here isn't the problem. It reports all of the above with metronomic regularity. The problem is that no one cares, and it's all accepted as "normal" in this feudal society in which corruption, abuse of power, and a non-functional justice system are integral aspects of the country and the society. Why do you think that with each passing year, it falls further and further toward the bottom of the SE Asia barrel? This is a failed state, and it has been so for several years.
GE
[QUOTE=Fredje1961;1155088]When in Rome, do as the Romans do.[/QUOTE]Sometimes the Romans don't take too kindly to outsiders sexually exploiting their women for financial gain. The mere fact that you're in Rome doesn't grant you the same rights as a Roman. Salutor caveo!
[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1154631]Sorry to disappoint you. No double standards. To look good, a foreigner getting arrested, and being marked as the cause of all misery. Wins votes. . .
The police chief, I am sure, is the next election candidate.
And if you guys are still trying to argue that the cops were wrong. Get a life. Or stay home. Home. Away and far away from Asia.
Sort of like the time in India, when I was driving and got rear ended by a local tuk-tuk. Lo and behold. All the natives accused ME of causing the accident, as I had stopped FOR A FREAKING RED LIGHT.
I had to say sorry and drive off. Rather than trying to prove who was at fault. [/QUOTE]Excellent post and I could not have said it any better.
Some guys who visit SEA in general, or the Philippines more specifically bring with them a Westernized view on the way things "should be" and are more often than not the guys who find themselves in trouble at some point.
These guys also believe things should operate and run just like they do back home and they don't fully understand or accept they are in another Country with different laws and where sometimes logic and progressive thinking are often suspended, but still exists from time to time.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1155333]Sometimes the Romans don't take too kindly to outsiders sexually exploiting their women for financial gain. The mere fact that you're in Rome doesn't grant you the same rights as a Roman. Salutor caveo![/QUOTE]To which I would add that the mere fact that you're a foreigner, and want to intrude into a closed, opaque oligarchy that controls most if not all of the major businesses, legal and illegal, just pisses people off.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1155392]To which I would add that the mere fact that you're a foreigner, and want to intrude into a closed, opaque oligarchy that controls most if not all of the major businesses, legal and illegal, just pisses people off.
GE[/QUOTE]In other words, you can do whatever and whoever you want as long as you don't step on any big toes or make any money from it. The poor in The Philippines are just a bunch of cash cows, there to serve the privileged 5%, and who gives a toss about them. But, hey, isn't it the same the world over?
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1155406]isn't it the same the world over?[/QUOTE]. . . . . Yes. . . .
Jailed Swedes in Philippine cybersex 'nightmare'
Two Swedish computer experts jailed for life in the Philippines on cybersex charges say they are living a nightmare among hardened criminals and insist they did nothing wrong.
[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4839210[/url]
These are the consequences of doing in Rome as the Romans do when you're not a Roman. The Swedes got a little greedy and now they have to sleep with one eye on their butt holes with 5 other hardened criminals in a small cell. From the Pinoy point of view the Swedes were wealthy citizens from a rich European country who came to one of the world's most impoverished countries to take advantage of poor women for financial gain. The modern day slave trader analogy is not so far fetched in their eyes. This goes beyond the case of some random naughty tourists who like pay the local women for a root. Mongers don't profit from rooting Filipinas. In fact, they often get fleeced in the process.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1155650]These are the consequences of doing in Rome as the Romans do when you're not a Roman. The Swedes got a little greedy and now they have to sleep with one eye on their butt holes with 5 other hardened criminals in a small cell. From the Pinoy point of view the Swedes were wealthy citizens from a rich European country who came to one of the world's most impoverished countries to take advantage of poor women for financial gain. The modern day slave trader analogy is not so far fetched in their eyes. This goes beyond the case of some random naughty tourists who like pay the local women for a root. Mongers don't profit from rooting Filipinas. In fact, they often get fleeced in the process.[/QUOTE]To add, more often, even in Singapore, when a foreigner makes a silly comment to a pinay that she is a hooker, even though she IS A HOOKER, and in no time a dozen filipinos jump in to defend their countryman's (girl's) honour.
And it doesn't help much, when the Church is reminding that foreigners are exploiting the poor people.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1155650]Two Swedish computer experts jailed for life in the Philippines on cybersex charges say they are living a nightmare among hardened criminals and insist they did nothing wrong.
[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4839210[/url][/QUOTE]One can only feel sorry for the two unlucky Swedes.
I assume the two Swedes could not count on any real consular support from their government; a government that has made illegal to buy sexual services, but not to sell them. (Meaning only the men are guilty)
But let's keep in mind that the legal situation for men accused of sexual wrongdoing is not better in the rest of the world: The bizarre cases against IMF Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn and Wikileaks founder Julian Assange are example enough.
My practical conclusion is that I encrypt ALL sexually explicit material on my laptop. Better be safe than sorry. (TrueCrypt is a free and excellent option.)
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1155406]In other words, you can do whatever and whoever you want as long as you don't step on any big toes or make any money from it. The poor in The Philippines are just a bunch of cash cows, there to serve the privileged 5%, and who gives a toss about them. But, hey, isn't it the same the world over?[/QUOTE]No, not quite the same. This is a feudal society in which any upward mobility is extremely unlikely and in some cases impossible There's an implicit caste system here that's almost as rigid as that found in India and other unenlightened places, that pretty well foreordains you to whatever life your parents have. Only the lucky ones escape abroad and realize some sort of economic gain that they promptly send back here to support the poor relatives still trapped in the circle.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1155869]No, not quite the same. This is a feudal society in which any upward mobility is extremely unlikely and in some cases impossible There's an implicit caste system here that's almost as rigid as that found in India and other unenlightened places, that pretty well foreordains you to whatever life your parents have. Only the lucky ones escape abroad and realize some sort of economic gain that they promptly send back here to support the poor relatives still trapped in the circle. GE[/QUOTE]
Opportunities for upward mobility may be different between the Phils and the West as a matter of degree, but as for the basic structure of corruption and hegemony in the hands of a few, the West merely has a veneer of respectability and secrecy to separate it from practices in developing countries. IMHO. Skip
"The Global Economy’s Corporate Crime Wave" by Jeffrey D. Sachs April 30, 2011
Project Synidcate: A World of Ideas
NEW YORK – The world is drowning in corporate fraud, and the problems are probably greatest in rich countries – those with supposedly “good governance.” Poor-country governments probably accept more bribes and commit more offenses, but it is rich countries that host the global companies that carry out the largest offenses. Money talks, and it is corrupting politics and markets all over the world.
Hardly a day passes without a new story of malfeasance. Every Wall Street firm has paid significant fines during the past decade for phony accounting, insider trading, securities fraud, Ponzi schemes, or outright embezzlement by CEOs. A massive insider-trading ring is currently on trial in New York, and has implicated some leading financial-industry figures. And it follows a series of fines paid by America’s biggest investment banks to settle charges of various securities violations.
There is, however, scant accountability. Two years after the biggest financial crisis in history, which was fueled by unscrupulous behavior by the biggest banks on Wall Street, not a single financial leader has faced jail. When companies are fined for malfeasance, their shareholders, not their CEOs and managers, pay the price. The fines are always a tiny fraction of the ill-gotten gains, implying to Wall Street that corrupt practices have a solid rate of return. Even today, the banking lobby runs roughshod over regulators and politicians.
Corruption pays in American politics as well. The current governor of Florida, Rick Scott, was CEO of a major health-care company known as Columbia/HCA. The company was charged with defrauding the United States government by overbilling for reimbursement, and eventually pled guilty to 14 felonies, paying a fine of $1.7 billion.
The FBI’s investigation forced Scott out of his job. But, a decade after the company’s guilty pleas, Scott is back, this time as a “free-market” Republican politician.
When Barack Obama wanted somebody to help with the bailout of the US automobile industry, he turned to a Wall Street “fixer,” Steven Rattner, even though Obama knew that Rattner was under investigation for giving kickbacks to government officials. After Rattner finished his work at the White House, he settled the case with a fine of a few million dollars.
But why stop at governors or presidential advisers? Former Vice President Dick Cheney came to the White House after serving as CEO of Halliburton. During his tenure at Halliburton, the firm engaged in illegal bribery of Nigerian officials to enable the company to win access to that country’s oil fields – access worth billions of dollars. When Nigeria’s government charged Halliburton with bribery, the company settled the case out of court, paying a fine of $35 million. Of course, there were no consequences whatsoever for Cheney. The news barely made a ripple in the US media.
Impunity is widespread – indeed, most corporate crimes go un-noticed. The few that are noticed typically end with a slap on the wrist, with the company – meaning its shareholders – picking up a modest fine. The real culprits at the top of these companies rarely need to worry. Even when firms pay mega-fines, their CEOs remain. The shareholders are so dispersed and powerless that they exercise little control over the management.
The explosion of corruption – in the US, Europe, China, India, Africa, Brazil, and beyond – raises a host of challenging questions about its causes, and about how to control it now that it has reached epidemic proportions.
Corporate corruption is out of control for two main reasons. First, big companies are now multinational, while governments remain national. Big companies are so financially powerful that governments are afraid to take them on.
Second, companies are the major funders of political campaigns in places like the US, while politicians themselves are often part owners, or at least the silent beneficiaries of corporate profits. Roughly one-half of US Congressmen are millionaires, and many have close ties to companies even before they arrive in Congress.
As a result, politicians often look the other way when corporate behavior crosses the line. Even if governments try to enforce the law, companies have armies of lawyers to run circles around them. The result is a culture of impunity, based on the well-proven expectation that corporate crime pays.
Given the close connections of wealth and power with the law, reining in corporate crime will be an enormous struggle. Fortunately, the rapid and pervasive flow of information nowadays could act as a kind of deterrent or disinfectant. Corruption thrives in the dark, yet more information than ever comes to light via email and blogs, as well as Facebook, Twitter, and other social networks.
We will also need a new kind of politician leading a new kind of political campaign, one based on free online media rather than paid media. When politicians can emancipate themselves from corporate donations, they will regain the ability to control corporate abuses.
Moreover, we will need to light the dark corners of international finance, especially tax havens like the Cayman Islands and secretive Swiss banks. Tax evasion, kickbacks, illegal payments, bribes, and other illegal transactions flow through these accounts. The wealth, power, and illegality enabled by this hidden system are now so vast as to threaten the global economy’s legitimacy, especially at a time of unprecedented income inequality and large budget deficits, owing to governments’ inability politically – and sometimes even operationally – to impose taxes on the wealthy.
So the next time you hear about a corruption scandal in Africa or other poor region, ask where it started and who is doing the corrupting. Neither the US nor any other “advanced” country should be pointing the finger at poor countries, for it is often the most powerful global companies that have created the problem.
Jeffrey D. Sachs is Professor of Economics and Director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University. He is also Special Adviser to United Nations Secretary-General on the Millennium Development Goals.
[QUOTE=Saigon John; 1155868]One can only feel sorry for the two unlucky Swedes.
I assume the two Swedes could not count on any real consular support from their government; a government that has made illegal to buy sexual services, but not to sell them. (Meaning only the men are guilty)
But let's keep in mind that the legal situation for men accused of sexual wrongdoing is not better in the rest of the world: The bizarre cases against IMF Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn and Wikileaks founder Julian Assange are example enough.
My practical conclusion is that I encrypt ALL sexually explicit material on my laptop. Better be safe than sorry. (TrueCrypt is a free and excellent option.) [/QUOTE]I'm all for fair treatment of men by the courts in these types of cases but old Strauss-Kahn seems to have a history of making maids suck his cork. It doesn't look too good for him. His employer, the IMF, also has a history of making poor countries suck cork and that will not endear him to any jury.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1156011]His employer, the IMF, also has a history of making poor countries suck cork and that will not endear him to any jury.[/QUOTE]Except that the jury will not be composed of Third World residents. If there is ever a jury at all.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1156011]I'm all for fair treatment of men by the courts in these types of cases but old Strauss-Kahn seems to have a history of making maids suck his cork. It doesn't look too good for him. His employer, the IMF, also has a history of making poor countries suck cork and that will not endear him to any jury.[/QUOTE]To Chocha,
Kahn pick a wrong country and a wrong city New York is a high profile city to do his thing, I like to see him buy his way out of this one, if he did this in PI he can just buy his way out the PI government will be happy to get a large Loan for the IMF.
Fast Eddie 48
Fellows,
Read the forum but couldn't get a real sense of this. Is it easier / more common to get butt sex in the Philippines or Thailand?
Its funny how in the Philippines, Globe, winning hearts mind and millions for the Ayala boys, portrays itself as serving the nation by providing digital networks to the country, by offereing special promos to balikbayans, promotions at Christmas and Holy Week to " help the nation communicate better "
BPI is similar in its advertising. Also part of the Ayala franchise.
Also a family who is happy to be in the top 5% in oncome earners and who has no interest in sharing the wealth, hence ther entrenched and permanent poverty.
So today I had to smile (actually I laughed!) when reading how Globe is now against the deal that JG Summit has with PLDT that will ensure Globes margins reduce, and that its market share will reduce.
Globes legal counsel was calling the deal "unfair ". Well I don't recall Globe thought anything was unfair when it and Smart each shared 50% of the cellular digital market.
YMMV, but I don't ask for it, it's not very nice for the recipient, buggers up the sphincter muscle and they wind up having to wear a nappy like Elton John to stop them shitting down their legs. Never could understand why a hetero man would want to do this anyway, unless he's a closet fudgepacker.
Rick Rock; 1156557]Fellows,
Read the forum but couldn't get a real sense of this. Is it easier / more common to get butt sex in the Philippines or Thailand? [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1156557]Fellows,
Read the forum but couldn't get a real sense of this. Is it easier / more common to get butt sex in the Philippines or Thailand? [/QUOTE]I only have a week in either country but in my limited experience neither place was offering as a rule (compared to say Brazil where even without asking 20-25% will offer). Thailand has the advantage though in that it has Devil's Den where if that is what you want it is guaranteed and demonstrated by their lineup who accepts.
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1156652]YMMV, but I don't ask for it, it's not very nice for the recipient, buggers up the sphincter muscle and they wind up having to wear a nappy like Elton John to stop them shitting down their legs. Never could understand why a hetero man would want to do this anyway, unless he's a closet fudgepacker.[/QUOTE]My impression is that guys seek anal sex when their member is too small to get good sensation inside a vagina."Like throwing a hot dog down a tunnel" is the term of art.
If you are looking for similar, message me and I will give you her details so she can chat and webcam with you and sort things out.
Nothing like having a local to help so you get the inside knowledge and don't pay over the odds.
[QUOTE=Cbea20;1157008]My impression is that guys seek anal sex when their member is too small to get good sensation inside a vagina."Like throwing a hot dog down a tunnel" is the term of art.[/QUOTE]For me it's about doing something the girl doesn't want, like if the girl says sure lets do it well then I'm not all that interested. It also can mix things up a bit if you're screwing the same girl for a long time and get bored with it. That being said I have only did it once with a hooker because it's new and exciting anyways and the girl I did it with was a clock watcher and it was just horrible and I was doing anything I could to try to cum which I eventually gave up on and told her to be on her way. I don't think it makes a dude less hetero though, you could say the same thing about receiving a blow job.
Just remember:
No matter how hot & sexy a woman is, someone, somewhere is tired of f*king her!
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1159034]Just remember:
No matter how hot & sexy a woman is, someone, somewhere is tired of f*king her! [/QUOTE]Damn. You take all the excitement out of it. LOL. Imagine how many we've also thrown back into that ever bigger pool. LOL
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1159034]Just remember:
No matter how hot & sexy a woman is, someone, somewhere is tired of f*king her! [/QUOTE]I got one now I wish I could forget she's so damn cute thou
Last time I renewed my visa 2 months ago they told me that the ACR card scheme may now be scrapped as a new minister had been appointed (and the scheme is a pointless waste of time and money). I need to renew my visa in a few days and my ACR card is now expired. Anyone know whether they are still required and how much a renewed ACR card will cost?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1156011]I'm all for fair treatment of men by the courts in these types of cases but old Strauss-Kahn seems to have a history of making maids suck his cork. It doesn't look too good for him. His employer, the IMF, also has a history of making poor countries suck cork and that will not endear him to any jury.[/QUOTE]He is just one of us!
[QUOTE=GregLondon; 1160610]Last time I renewed my visa 2 months ago they told me that the ACR card scheme may now be scrapped as a new minister had been appointed (and the scheme is a pointless waste of time and money). I need to renew my visa in a few days and my ACR card is now expired. Anyone know whether they are still required and how much a renewed ACR card will cost?
Thanks[/QUOTE]I renewed my ACR Card two months ago, the fee is $50 USD, adjusted to whatever the current exchange rate is. I was at Immigration again to renew my visa last week and they still had the ACR card fee posted on the window of the cashier's counter, so I'm assuming it is still required.
[QUOTE=Cbea20;1157008]My impression is that guys seek anal sex when their member is too small to get good sensation inside a vagina."Like throwing a hot dog down a tunnel" is the term of art.[/QUOTE]Always find it curious when someone like yourself and the Oz guy find it necessary to discredit someone or resort to "name calling" when they either don't enjoy or don't understand another person's pleasures.
I can assure you the the fact that someone enjoys a bit of anal play, up to and including penetration, neither makes them prone to be gay or of necessity in possession of a smaller than normal male member. Well, to be honest I can only truly speak for myself as I don't have experience watching other men perform.
Let's just say that I would be surprised if your hypothesis has any validity.
I can say that part of the "fun" of anal play is that it is something different than "average" and quite frankly has a entirely different sensation than vaginal sex. I have also found that gals willing to at least try it, as a rule are more open minded to exploring sexuality in other ways as well. Playing with toys, dressing up, etc. This is not a hard and fast rule, more of an observation.
While I certainly don't make anal sex a "deal breaker" there is something very appealing about finding a gal who bends over and carefully inserts me into her butt, whilst I reach around and use a "pocket rocket" to stimulate her "man in a boat". If you have ever felt a ladies anal orifice contract as she reaches orgasm, you can imagine what sensation that creates when your maleness is inserted into that contraction.
If you don't like it don't do it, and I would never force myself on a lady, but exercise caution when judging others by your narrow minded standards.
[QUOTE=Cbea20;1157008]My impression is that guys seek anal sex when their member is too small to get good sensation inside a vagina."Like throwing a hot dog down a tunnel" is the term of art.[/QUOTE]Usually when someone complains about not getting enough, or of others getting something he's not getting, then the gent is secretly a closet-lover of it.
Guys,
Part of Aussie Doug's statement might be personal opinion but his point about butt-fucking being hard on the recipient has merit. Frequent anal sex is associated with hemorrhoids, anal prolapse, leakage, ano-rectal pain, ulcers, fissures and anal cancer not to mention the high risk disease transmission to the person being fucked up the ass. A few years ago a member on the Thai forum posted about splitting a hooker's asshole and turning her rectum inside out like a bloodied sock upon withdrawing when her friend attacked him to put an end to the suffering.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1160891]Guys,
Part of Aussie Doug's statement might be personal opinion but his point about butt-fucking being hard on the recipient has merit. Frequent anal sex is associated with hemorrhoids, anal prolapse, leakage, ano-rectal pain, ulcers, fissures and anal cancer not to mention the high risk disease transmission to the person being fucked up the ass. A few years ago a member on the Thai forum posted about splitting a hooker's asshole and turning her rectum inside out like a bloodied sock upon withdrawing when her friend attacked him to put an end to the suffering. [/QUOTE]We have a romantic. You're killing me here. . .
[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1160978]We have a romantic. You're killing me here. . .[/QUOTE]Would you like a stiff one up the ass? And if not, why is it fair game to send a rocket up someone else's ass? I suspect butt-fucking has a lot to do with some deep dark underlying sadistic urge on the part of the butt-fucker to inflict pain on the penetrated partner.
I neither condemn nor condone the practice. It is a matter of personal choice but the consequences are very real.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1161127]I suspect butt-fucking has a lot to do with some deep dark underlying sadistic urge on the part of the butt-fucker to inflict pain on the penetrated partner.[/QUOTE]Besides, even if you give the penetrated partner 200 PhP for cab fare after the fact, she'll be riding in pain, hunched forward in a squat, since sitting on the seat would be too painful.
'philippines warns tainted drink could shrink testes'
philippine daily inquirer, online version, may 31, 2011.
manila, philippines—the philippines and taiwan have warned some sport drinks may have been contaminated with a chemical that could cause infertility and block boys' sex organ development, officials said tuesday. the philippine food and drug administration is monitoring some imported taiwanese sport drinks, fruit juices and soft drinks that taipei said may contain excessive amounts of dehp, the agency's spokeswoman jesusa joyce cirunay said.
taiwan earlier this month issued a major recall of products, including more than 460, 000 bottles of sports drinks and fruit juice, over fears they contained the chemical widely used in manufacturing pvc products. taipei warned manila last week that dehp could have been illegally added to food products that were exported to the philippines, cirunay told agence france-presse.
'our government has asked taiwan for a list, and we are tracking these products, ' she added. cirunay did not name the brands on the list, saying no traces of dehp contamination have been found and there have been no reports of people falling ill in the philippines.
while low doses are generally safe, high doses or prolonged exposure to dehp could have harmful effects, such as retarding the development of boys' testes, she added. 'children are especially prone to harmful effects of high doses of dehp, or to repeated exposure which can lead to testicular effects, fertility problems, and toxicity to kidneys, ' the government regulator said in a health advisory.
hong kong tuesday banned two taiwanese drinks after tests showed they were tainted with excessive amounts of dehp. hong kong health officials said six samples from different batches of the speed sports drink and speed lemon flavor sports drink, both manufactured by a same company in taiwan, were found to be laced with dehp.
taiwanese authorities have arrested the owner of a company that used dehp rather than more expensive palm oil in products supplied to dozens of local drinks makers. he faces up to six months in jail.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1161127]Would you like a stiff one up the ass? And if not, why is it fair game to send a rocket up someone else's ass? I suspect butt-fucking has a lot to do with some deep dark underlying sadistic urge on the part of the butt-fucker to inflict pain on the penetrated partner.
I neither condemn nor condone the practice. It is a matter of personal choice but the consequences are very real. [/QUOTE]A little over dramatic there. I am not denying that sometimes problems can happen from anal but that can be said about almost anything. I have had American girls (not pros or even girls I was with) tell me that they loved receiving anal. And as for pros, don't get me started. Two girls from L'uomo in Rio come to mind. One anounced to me one day that on that day pussy was off limits and she would only be taking it up the ass. Another one told me how much she enjoyed getting BB anal from her gringo boyfriend that she was going to marry a few days later.
I am NOT saying that it is ok to bugger a girl without her permission but some girls genuinely do like it.
[quote=skip kost; 1161147]'philippines warns tainted drink could shrink testes'
philippine daily inquirer, online version, may 31, 2011.
manila, philippines—the philippines and taiwan have warned some sport drinks may have been contaminated with a chemical that could cause infertility and block boys' sex organ development, officials said tuesday. the philippine food and drug administration is monitoring some imported taiwanese sport drinks, fruit juices and soft drinks that taipei said may contain excessive amounts of dehp, the agency's spokeswoman jesusa joyce cirunay said.
taiwan earlier this month issued a major recall of products, including more than 460, 000 bottles of sports drinks and fruit juice, over fears they contained the chemical widely used in manufacturing pvc products. taipei warned manila last week that dehp could have been illegally added to food products that were exported to the philippines, cirunay told agence france-presse.
'our government has asked taiwan for a list, and we are tracking these products, ' she added. cirunay did not name the brands on the list, saying no traces of dehp contamination have been found and there have been no reports of people falling ill in the philippines.
while low doses are generally safe, high doses or prolonged exposure to dehp could have harmful effects, such as retarding the development of boys' testes, she added. 'children are especially prone to harmful effects of high doses of dehp, or to repeated exposure which can lead to testicular effects, fertility problems, and toxicity to kidneys, ' the government regulator said in a health advisory.
hong kong tuesday banned two taiwanese drinks after tests showed they were tainted with excessive amounts of dehp. hong kong health officials said six samples from different batches of the speed sports drink and speed lemon flavor sports drink, both manufactured by a same company in taiwan, were found to be laced with dehp.
taiwanese authorities have arrested the owner of a company that used dehp rather than more expensive palm oil in products supplied to dozens of local drinks makers. he faces up to six months in jail. [/quote]finally a remedy for old saggy balls! ;)
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1161145]Besides, even if you give the penetrated partner 200 PhP for cab fare after the fact, she'll be riding in pain, hunched forward in a squat, since sitting on the seat would be too painful.[/QUOTE]Or you could give her 50 pesos and let her ride a trike forcing her to sit on her battered brown eye. Of course, if you performed annilingus to bring her to a gentle climax before gingerly inserting your lumbricoid member into her rectal cavity that may be totally unnecessary.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1161304]Or you could give her 50 pesos and let her ride a trike forcing her to sit on her battered brown eye. Of course, if you performed annilingus to bring her to a gentle climax before gingerly inserting your lumbricoid member into her rectal cavity that may be totally unnecessary.[/QUOTE]CM,
I am quite frankly confused by the "after posts" concerning this issue. It appears to me that many of the posters either have not participated in or are not proficient in the area of anal play. Once again, I can only speak from personal experience, but I have never had a lady depart after such a session in such discomfort that she was in pain from sitting. In every case except one, they were smiling at the memories of what had come before.
I am sure there was some mental conflict about what they expected to happen and the pleasure they actually experienced. I totally agree that the most important part is in the preparation and even afterwards some gentle massaging of the area seems to relax and restore. I am sure there are those that find a more forceful session to their liking, but I prefer the more gentle, longer foreplay that leads to wide-eyed pleasurable experience for both parties. I even have a few regulars that now demand that I attend to their ass on occasion, not every time, but when they want it, they want. Which is FINE with me.
This area of sexuality, IMHO is not conducive to "force your way in, pound away, wipe your dick on the curtains type". Of course I could be wrong
[QUOTE=Sky Ryder; 1161324]CM,
I am quite frankly confused by the "after posts" concerning this issue. It appears to me that many of the posters either have not participated in or are not proficient in the area of anal play. Once again, I can only speak from personal experience, but I have never had a lady depart after such a session in such discomfort that she was in pain from sitting. In every case except one, they were smiling at the memories of what had come before. [/QUOTE]Concur. Have never had a girl walk out the door limping or complaining. Half the gals pictured in the photo thread were rogered back door. In fact, for most of them:
Girl: you want tomorrow?
Me: salamat. No. You wore me out hun.
Girl: ok. You want other girl? I have cousin for you.
Several girls have grabbed the camera after the fact, and taken a pic of her own smiling face. One girl stood in front of a mirror just after being rear-ended and took a cell-phone pic of herself, naked, smiling into the mirror. I asked why she did that: "I send to my cousin. Tell her my boyfriend just f*ck me. Hahaha."
I'm not saying its as pleasant as vag, but its not the fretful thing that non-receivers imagine it as (assuming, of course, its known in advance whats coming). Its easy for someone who has not received it to imagine it as painful or nightmarish (and it can be). But there are plenty of pinay who are experienced at it, or are willing to try it for their bf.
Back in the 80s, I was at Clark AB for a military golf tounament. We were booked into the Kanagroo Club (Clarkton) on Perimeter Road. After a practice round we retired to the hotel to shower and change. Met up with my team mates at Mirrors Bar next door. We planned to start and end the night early so we would be fresh the next day for golf. Mirrors was small back then with about 10-12 girls. A cute little Pinay caught my eye so I invited her for a drink. She was just over 18, 3 weeks working in the bar and pretty raw. She was about 5'0".95 pounds with a trim, tight, little body. 32 be cups and tight ass.
She told me she liked G. I. S because they were nice to her. She had only had about 5 guys before and admitted she did not know much about pleasing a man. I decided to take a chance and barfined her. We went to the hotel restaurant to eat before retiring for the night. Her English was not real good and I had to explain most of my jokes.
In the room, she was acting shy and came out of the shower with a towel wrapped tightly around her covering her whole body. I led her over to the bed unwrapped the towel and had her lie back. She looked good enough to eat which I did. She was a soft moaner and seemed to enjoy my efforts. No BJ, but I was hard already so I crawled on top and slowly worked my cock into the tightest pussy I ever had. After a few minutes of misssionary, I rolled over and let her ride me to a small "O". I rolled her on her stomach and moved into finish with a little doggey. Her little butt was up and slipped my cock back in.
She start yelling "tratuhin nang masama butas" over and over. Hot damn, I was doing good, she was really into it. I finished up and went the bathroom to clean up. The girl just laid there quietly and finally went in to clean up. We cuddles and went to sleep.
Next morning, She was very quiet and did not talk much. I bought her breakfast before I left to golf. I tipped her some pesos for jeepney fare. Met my mates and headed out to Clark AB for the match. A team from Japan was tearing up the course and we were not doing very good. A mate made a long, curving putt for a birdie. I remembered what the girl from the night before was yelling "tratuhin nang masama butas" so I yelled it out in excitement.
It got real quiet and everybody turned and looked at me. My Pinoy caddy leaned over to me and said "What do you mean it went in the wrong hole"
Slim
I posted this in the AC thread last year but seems to fit the current anal topic.
[QUOTE=Fifty Pesos; 1161376]What about Porn Stars? We have all seen the scene where the doe-eyed White Girl gets anally split into by some Horse Dick possessing Black Guy.
I wonder what precautions or medications are provided to Porn Star who have to repeatedly do anal scenes. [/QUOTE]The doe eyed white girls getting their assholes split by a horse cocked Mandingo like Lexington Steele in the porn videos do take medical precautions. They use a variety of desensitizing creams, like Anal Eze, to numb the anus. They also take quaaludes or other drugs to induce relaxation of the anal sphincter. For really long shoots some of the girls get a lubricant enema. It's totally different from an excited monger ramming it in the wrong hole when an unsuspecting Filipina is in a vulnerable doggie position. Unable to counter with an effective rearguard action she is pinned by the penile blitzkrieg and must suffer the anal intruder until he withdraws.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1161569]The doe eyed white girls getting their assholes split by a horse cocked Mandingo like Lexington Steele in the porn videos do take medical precautions. They use a variety of desensitizing creams, like Anal Eze, to numb the anus. They also take quaaludes or other drugs to induce relaxation of the anal sphincter. For really long shoots some of the girls get a lubricant enema. It's totally different from an excited monger ramming it in the wrong hole when an unsuspecting Filipina is in a vulnerable doggie position. Unable to counter with an effective rearguard action she is pinned by the penile blitzkrieg and must suffer the anal intruder until he withdraws.[/QUOTE]And many years ago, dunno either blacks on blondes, or dogfart.com. Where a white woman was getting reamed, and shit started to come out. And the punters just wiped it and continued as if nothing happened.
Anyway, CM: you seem very enlightened. Are you the guy who does the consulting for 'special jobs'?
I am not, currently, an anal sort of guy, although I have partaken in the past – with Australian women. But that was quite some time ago.
More recently, during my most recent trip to the Phils, I have been experimenting with the effects of anal play on the degree of pleasure that women get out of lovemaking.
I have found that almost all women like, or really love, a well lubed finger in their arse while we are banging away. And sometimes 2 fingers. They really like the feel that it has in making them tighter in the vagina, so they get more sensation from my cock. And because the wall between the rectum and vagina is very thin, it also increases the sensations that I get.
Once, I was finger fucking a chubby little thing and decided to try a finger in her arse. One became 2, jammed up past the knuckle, plus two in the see*nt, plus fingering her clit. She was off the planet, just could not get enough, until eventually she collapsed out of exhaustion.
On another occasion, I was in a very pleasurable 69 with a gf, but it was becoming a bit repetitious. So I reached over, grabbed a fairly big vibrator, lubed it up, and slowly put it to her arse, then slowly in, till it was almost to the hilt. It was a pretty big one. And she went off her face, truly ballistic. What a situation, she's coming and heaving all over the place, Her sucking was getting frenzied, and we ended up with my essential bodily fluids deep in her belly. Wow. She loved it. Slowly extracted the vibrator, and we just curled up, cuddled, and fell asleep.
Some time later, I tried this again with another woman while we were also in a 69. The vibrator was a different one, but just as big. The effect was the same.
These were regular women, not P4P, so they have some degree of representation of the whole female population.
So in my mind, a significant proportion of the female population tolerate, like, or really love anal activity. I now try it with every woman, and every time. Interesting and stimulating.
I realize that this is not the same as a woman who has had her arse reamed out, but they certainly seem to like it in one form or another.
Gangles
An older man, not in the best physical condition, (probably an ISG monger) asked the trainer in the gym,
"I want to impress a beautiful girl. Which machine should I use?"
The trainer replied,"Use the ATM."
[QUOTE=Gangles; 1161759]I am not, currently, an anal sort of guy, although I have partaken in the past – with Australian women. But that was quite some time ago.
More recently, during my most recent trip to the Phils, I have been experimenting with the effects of anal play on the degree of pleasure that women get out of lovemaking.
I have found that almost all women like, or really love, a well lubed finger in their arse while we are banging away. And sometimes 2 fingers. They really like the feel that it has in making them tighter in the vagina, so they get more sensation from my cock. And because the wall between the rectum and vagina is very thin, it also increases the sensations that I get.
Once, I was finger fucking a chubby little thing and decided to try a finger in her arse. One became 2, jammed up past the knuckle, plus two in the see*nt, plus fingering her clit. She was off the planet, just could not get enough, until eventually she collapsed out of exhaustion.
On another occasion, I was in a very pleasurable 69 with a gf, but it was becoming a bit repetitious. So I reached over, grabbed a fairly big vibrator, lubed it up, and slowly put it to her arse, then slowly in, till it was almost to the hilt. It was a pretty big one. And she went off her face, truly ballistic. What a situation, she's coming and heaving all over the place, Her sucking was getting frenzied, and we ended up with my essential bodily fluids deep in her belly. Wow. She loved it. Slowly extracted the vibrator, and we just curled up, cuddled, and fell asleep.
Some time later, I tried this again with another woman while we were also in a 69. The vibrator was a different one, but just as big. The effect was the same.
These were regular women, not P4P, so they have some degree of representation of the whole female population.
So in my mind, a significant proportion of the female population tolerate, like, or really love anal activity. I now try it with every woman, and every time. Interesting and stimulating.
I realize that this is not the same as a woman who has had her arse reamed out, but they certainly seem to like it in one form or another.
Gangles[/QUOTE]Can identify with absolutely everything you say here. Your experiences have pretty much been mine. I say if its there, play with it. Theres a minority of girls that don't want you to go anywhere near the A spot, but they are a minority.
[QUOTE=Imagemakers;1160720]I renewed my ACR Card two months ago, the fee is $50 USD, adjusted to whatever the current exchange rate is. I was at Immigration again to renew my visa last week and they still had the ACR card fee posted on the window of the cashier's counter, so I'm assuming it is still required.[/QUOTE]The situation is pretty confused. I went to get a visa renewal yesterday and noone mentioned ACR card at all which is just as well as I had left mine at the hotel and in any case it had expired.
Not sure why this was and given it costs 2200P I didn't want to stir things up by asking. One possibility is that because I had just passed 6 months in the Phils they assumed that I had an ACR card . Which I do. Its just expired though). As ever with Phils immigration the rules seem pretty random and are randomly applied. They did tell me I needed to complete an Exit Form 8 days before leaving the Phils. On a stand alone basis this would have cost 500P (and the time and inconvenience) But I was able to complete it then and there (at the trime of my visa renewal for no extra cost apart from the necessary 3 photos
I thought I might like to check out Lake Taal and its Volcano Island and the lake therein and the island on that lake to go to the world's largest island in a lake in an island in a lake in an island.
Would it be worth going there in July or should I wait for the dry season?
[QUOTE=Edward M; 1162329]I thought I might like to check out Lake Taal and its Volcano Island and the lake therein and the island on that lake to go to the world's largest island in a lake in an island in a lake in an island.
Would it be worth going there in July or should I wait for the dry season? [/QUOTE]The volcano in Lake Taal is acting up at present (over 20 tremors in a 15 hours time slot during the week).
There has also been an enormous fish kill in the fish pens in Lake Taal too and parts of Batangas (believed caused by dramatic temperature changes or leaking material from underground). My friend who lives in Tagaytay said that there is the most godawful stench all over the province at present.
Probably not the best place to plan a visit right now or for the next 3 to 4 weeks.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1162374]The volcano in Lake Taal is acting up at present (over 20 tremors in a 15 hours time slot during the week).
There has also been an enormous fish kill in the fish pens in Lake Taal too and parts of Batangas (believed caused by dramatic temperature changes or leaking material from underground). My friend who lives in Tagaytay said that there is the most godawful stench all over the province at present.
Probably not the best place to plan a visit right now or for the next 3 to 4 weeks. [/QUOTE]RK.
It's not just this past week. It's been active for some time now. An annual family reunion in Batangas of a GF was moved for the first time in 18 years and that was to commence May 20 because they were concerned of what was happening with the volcano.
P
[QUOTE=Gangles; 1161759]I am not, currently, an anal sort of guy, although I have partaken in the past – with Australian women. But that was quite some time ago.
More recently, during my most recent trip to the Phils, I have been experimenting with the effects of anal play on the degree of pleasure that women get out of lovemaking.
I have found that almost all women like, or really love, a well lubed finger in their arse while we are banging away. And sometimes 2 fingers. They really like the feel that it has in making them tighter in the vagina, so they get more sensation from my cock. And because the wall between the rectum and vagina is very thin, it also increases the sensations that I get.
Gangles[/QUOTE]Yes I too experience this with my gf 2, ant time I go near a pina ass I ask her if it is ok. And after doing pina anal I rather the pina pussy any day, unlike my italian gf,
[QUOTE=Pompolino; 1162383]RK.
It's not just this past week. It's been active for some time now. An annual family reunion in Batangas of a GF was moved for the first time in 18 years and that was to commence May 20 because they were concerned of what was happening with the volcano.
P[/QUOTE]I know but rather than give the statistics for the past 4 months I just stuck to the simple data for the past week.
Typical pinoy alarmist response too Pomp. They moved the party because they were probably worried that it was going to blow up and kill everyone for miles around (like Pinatubo a few decades back) when in fact it is just rumbling away many kms down and a very long way from doing anything nasty yet.
The major problem right now around there is the fish kill (bangus) and the stink from that as well as the fact that unscrupulous vendors are trying to flog off the dead fish through all sorts of market places. Not a sensible time to eat bangus anywhere around Luzon right now.
Reminds me of the people I've heard about here who stayed up all night during the last typhoon in Luzon, fearful that the tsunami would grab them here in Mindanao. I think the tidal crest wound up being something like 9 cms. So of course there was nothing to worry about. Yet the texting network in Davao was working overtime warning folks about the impending tidal wave.
RK, who the hell would eat bangus under any circumstances. Not even if it was fresh and free would I put it anywhere near my mouth.
GE.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1162409]I know but rather than give the statistics for the past 4 months I just stuck to the simple data for the past week.
Typical pinoy alarmist response too Pomp. They moved the party because they were probably worried that it was going to blow up and kill everyone for miles around (like Pinatubo a few decades back) when in fact it is just rumbling away many kms down and a very long way from doing anything nasty yet.
The major problem right now around there is the fish kill (bangus) and the stink from that as well as the fact that unscrupulous vendors are trying to flog off the dead fish through all sorts of market places. Not a sensible time to eat bangus anywhere around Luzon right now. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1162490]RK, who the hell would eat bangus under any circumstances. Not even if it was fresh and free would I put it anywhere near my mouth.
GE. [/QUOTE]Really? Wow, I actually really like fresh-caught milkfish (especially the belly). Then again, I also like bagoong with green mango and balut pinoy.
[QUOTE=Driveallnight;1162526]Really? Wow, I actually really like fresh-caught milkfish (especially the belly). Then again, I also like bagoong with green mango and balut pinoy.[/QUOTE]I usually skip the seafood in the Phils on general principle. One just needs to look at the pollution of the water in and around the Phils. Maybe in the better restaurants I'll take on a deep sea fish entree. I've not had problems with land animals as long as they are thoroughly cooked but you won't find me near the street vendors.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1162490]RK, who the hell would eat bangus under any circumstances. Not even if it was fresh and free would I put it anywhere near my mouth.
GE. [/QUOTE]Yet, you DATY pinay?
Hahaha
[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1162568]Yet, you DATY pinay?
Hahaha[/QUOTE]Touché. In my own defense however, I would point out that I don't do that with pinays picked up in an outdoor market who have been laying about in the hot sun.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1162632]Touché. In my own defense however, I would point out that I don't do that with pinays picked up in an outdoor market who have been laying about in the hot sun.[/QUOTE]A clever rejoinder GE.
My advice about bangus was not linked to my species preference but I must say I don't mind a home-cooked "boneless bangus" for breakfast because my chef does it just how I like it. However, I don't enjoy the regular bangus taste, just the boneless, smoked variety.
Today's press is full of stories about the selling of the fish-kill goods in various markets. Called "double-dead" bangus (a quaint expression that is used to describe animals that have died before being killed for consumption but are then sold as fresh meat / fish).
My advice still holds.
Don't eat bangus for a few more weeks because you don't know where it has been or come from.
Same for DATY pinay. You don't know where that has been either LOL (I will leave the "cum from" jokes to smarter script writers)
[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1161336]I'm not saying its as pleasant as vag, but its not the fretful thing that non-receivers imagine it as (assuming, of course, its known in advance whats coming). Its easy for someone who has not received it to imagine it as painful or nightmarish (and it can be).[/QUOTE]Westie.
Are you bisexual? Have you ever had a cock up your arse? I'm curious about how you can express opinions about how much it hurts.
Not a flame. A serious question.
Cheers
I plan on visiting manila, AC, and Cebu at the beginning of next year again. I talked to a guy about 1. 5 years ago in LA Cafe and he got lasik done for $1600 in Manila. I also am talking to a girl that had an ex-bf from the US, and said he got it done in Manila for $1100.
Have any of you guys ever researched it? Had it done? Or have any suggestions for it? I plan on mongering in manila and AC mostly. If you have done it in Manila, is it something that will allow me to monger that night?
[QUOTE=Kycuriosity; 1163685]I plan on visiting manila, AC, and Cebu at the beginning of next year again. I talked to a guy about 1. 5 years ago in LA Cafe and he got lasik done for $1600 in Manila. I also am talking to a girl that had an ex-bf from the US, and said he got it done in Manila for $1100.
Have any of you guys ever researched it? Had it done? Or have any suggestions for it? I plan on mongering in manila and AC mostly. If you have done it in Manila, is it something that will allow me to monger that night?[/QUOTE]To Kycuriosity
Lasik is getting cheaper and cheaper every yr I got it done 2 yr ago in the US cost 1k USD is much cheaper now, my buddy got it done last yr in Bangkok for about 720 USD a large Lasik center own by European have new Machne,
I think it is alot less now in PI but I think you should do it in Thailand better doctor.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Kycuriosity; 1163685]I plan on visiting manila, AC, and Cebu at the beginning of next year again. I talked to a guy about 1. 5 years ago in LA Cafe and he got lasik done for $1600 in Manila. I also am talking to a girl that had an ex-bf from the US, and said he got it done in Manila for $1100.
Have any of you guys ever researched it? Had it done? Or have any suggestions for it? I plan on mongering in manila and AC mostly. If you have done it in Manila, is it something that will allow me to monger that night?[/QUOTE]Very good Eye clinic in Rockwell. Phinma Tower 9h floor.
Very professional place. I can't tell you the price but I did enquire few years back and it seemed to be the best and most professional in Manila. Are you really interested in saving a few dollars or having professional treatment. Concerning my eyes, I know what I would want.
I had my Lasik done in Cebu a couple months ago by Dr. Larrazabal (probably the best-known opthalmologist in the Philippines, husband of the famous filipina singer Donna Cruz) at Cebu Doctor's where he is head of the Opthalmology department. Cost P50,000 all-inclusive. I wouldn't recommend being in a bar environment for an extensive period the same night, as its best to avoid cigarette smoke as much as possible immediately afterwards. (This being said I did briefly stop into Pussycats Cebu the same night to say hello to my favourite there)
In Manila I would consider St. Luke's, Makati Medical or American Eye.
Thank you everyone.
I will try to look up those places online and see what I will come up with.
[QUOTE=Mongrinastrlnd; 1163914]I had my Lasik done in Cebu a couple months ago by Dr. Larrazabal (probably the best-known opthalmologist in the Philippines, husband of the famous filipina singer Donna Cruz) at Cebu Doctor's where he is head of the Opthalmology department. Cost P50, 000 all-inclusive. I wouldn't recommend being in a bar environment for an extensive period the same night, as its best to avoid cigarette smoke as much as possible immediately afterwards. (This being said I did briefly stop into Pussycats Cebu the same night to say Hello, to my favourite there)
In Manila I would consider St. Luke's, Makati Medical or American Eye. [/QUOTE]I had mine done by American Eye Hospital in Shangri-la Mall in 1990.
Outstanding service and quality. I am an amazing success story for them as I still do not need reading glasses (they thought I would after 5 years). Cost was 40, 000 pesos for both eyes (11 years ago) so may be higher by now.
There is another sad story of a country with a totally unpredictable law-system. This one ended well. Many do not. Much worse happens on many levels. Everybody is at risk.
[url]http://www.andrew-drummond.com/view-story.php?sid=411[/url]
[QUOTE=Jackyboy; 1165731]There is another sad story of a country with a totally unpredictable law-system. This one ended well. Many do not. Much worse happens on many levels. Everybody is at risk.
[url]http://www.andrew-drummond.com/view-story.php?sid=411[/url][/QUOTE]It's hard to be sympathetic towards a guy who flew around the world to fuck and impregnate some poor Filipino's wife. Given the amount of young attractive single women in the Philippines this was plain stupidity on that Brit's part.
I like the idea of getting a girl to do 2 or more guys at once. PM me if you're into this, or, does anyone know of swinger-type groups in the Manila area?
I'll be in the Phils for the next couple months so I hope to stumble on this sort of action.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1165778]It's hard to be sympathetic towards a guy who flew around the world to fuck and impregnate some poor Filipino's wife. Given the amount of young attractive single women in the Philippines this was plain stupidity on that Brit's part.[/QUOTE]Even the young attractive women you speak of may have been married before. Since there is no divorce it is hard to say who was married and who was not. Lots of Phi men just leave their wife and girlfriends once they get pregnant for some reason.
Anyway I admire the courage of this man fighting for his girl and child.
I do't find it hard at all to be sympathetic to this beleaguered couple. There's no functional justice system here, and there's no divorce, unless you're rich enough to afford an annulment. Chances are this lady's husband had gone off and fathered lots of other children with new girlfriends, and saw this as a chance for a financial bonanza. The church here realizes substantial profits from annulments, so naturally it's going to battle any attempt to allow marital freedom to those without money.
[QUOTE=Jackyboy; 1165731]There is another sad story of a country with a totally unpredictable law-system. This one ended well. Many do not. Much worse happens on many levels. Everybody is at risk.
[url]http://www.andrew-drummond.com/view-story.php?sid=411[/url][/QUOTE]Hold on they knew the laws and they broke them. He also was dumb enough to fly here knowing he was in the wrong. Also is he supporting her other children is she still working. I am seeing a ignorant man here who does not care about local customs and laws.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1165778]It's hard to be sympathetic towards a guy who flew around the world to fuck and impregnate some poor Filipino's wife. Given the amount of young attractive single women in the Philippines this was plain stupidity on that Brit's part.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. This guy could have been killed. No regard for the fact she was already married with children. Also if in fact. She was working at hotel in Dubai, I doubt she was a saint herself. No sympathy for her, or the guy. He could have chosen much better for himself. He is lucky to even be alive. He literally put his life on the line. All for well used already married goods.
Go figure.
[QUOTE=Sammon;1165872]Even the young attractive women you speak of may have been married before.[/QUOTE]I strongly disagree with you.
I know enough women, who have NEVER BEEN Married. Though they forget to tell the part that they have kid / kids.
And also I do know of girls, who married, and then conveniently forgot about it, and when they hit Singapore, married again. Having forgotten the previous marriage. I know a dozen guys who went through hell to rid their wives' and avoiding getting them residency. When they realised the bitter truth.
[url]http://pinoystaronline.com/main/?p=2775[/url]
[QUOTE=Frenzy3;1165921]Hold on they knew the laws and they broke them. He also was dumb enough to fly here knowing he was in the wrong. Also is he supporting her other children is she still working. I am seeing a ignorant man here who does not care about local customs and laws.[/QUOTE]I am with you on that.
He was not only dumb, but deserved to get himself into the trap.
I know enough and more Singaporeans' who have been screwed, but they keep it quite, lest they be the talk of the town. And so do a lot of Malaysians, who fall for the Filipina's sweet talks. .
Oh, filipinas have a name for girls who ditch their native husband / lover / bf. For a foreigner : Social Climber. And the church says Social Climber are bad. Or something to that effect.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1165936]I am with you on that.
He was not only dumb, but deserved to get himself into the trap.
I know enough and more Singaporeans' who have been screwed, but they keep it quite, lest they be the talk of the town. And so do a lot of Malaysians, who fall for the Filipina's sweet talks. .
Oh, filipinas have a name for girls who ditch their native husband / lover / bf. For a foreigner : Social Climber. And the church says Social Climber are bad. Or something to that effect. [/QUOTE]They also call girls like this gold diggers they marry then keep looking for the next big pay out, my gf won't even marry me as she sees marriage as a life contract, these are the worst insults you can call a pina, lower than **** (I think **** is a good thing here to some of the girl I see every day) or plastic which is close to this.
Does anyone have a phone number I can reach CP from within the USA?
[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1165978]Does anyone have a phone number I can reach CP from within the USA?[/QUOTE]Nope. Because they don't fly US. What's wrong with calling them on their Phil #?
[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1165978]Does anyone have a phone number I can reach CP from within the USA?[/QUOTE]The call centre numbers on.
[url]http://www.cebupacificair.com/contact/index.html[/url]
Are blocked from the US? I successfully called once earlier this year from Japan (and didn't even have much of a hold queue).
[QUOTE=Mongrinastrlnd; 1166004]The call centre numbers on.
[url]http://www.cebupacificair.com/contact/index.html[/url]
Are blocked from the US? I successfully called once earlier this year from Japan (and didn't even have much of a hold queue). [/QUOTE]From the site:
63-32-230-8888.
63-2-70-20-888 (verizon voicemail: "Your call has been forwarded to an automatic voice system. 5-5-9. . . ").
Neither works from the States.
I was booking a ticket yesterday. Just when I entered my CC details and hit SUBMIT, the webpage went all white, and stayed that way. After 2 minutes, I clicked BACK; the thing stayed white. Opened up a new browser window, went on the site and checked the booking. A message pops up saying I booked twice, and to call their call center (no phone number given) to resolve the conflict.
Bad-boy article about CP not answering the phone.
[url]http://www.pinoytux.com/rantings/cebu-pacific-airlines-is-evil[/url]
[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1166022]I was booking a ticket yesterday. Just when I entered my CC details and hit SUBMIT, the webpage went all white, and stayed that way.[/QUOTE]Sometimes when this happens, just by clicking the reload button or pressing F5, you may get the proper page getting displayed.
Sometimes, not always
[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1166022]I was booking a ticket yesterday. Just when I entered my CC details and hit SUBMIT, the webpage went all white, and stayed that way. After 2 minutes, I clicked BACK; the thing stayed white. Opened up a new browser window, went on the site and checked the booking. A message pops up saying I booked twice, and to call their call center (no phone number given) to resolve the conflict.
[url]http://www.pinoytux.com/rantings/cebu-pacific-airlines-is-evil[/url][/QUOTE]Ah. The white screen of death. I had a similar experience in Feb. I made the mistake of attempting to rebook several times after seeing this, and later found that $4800 was charged to my card. Eventually got the call center, who confirmed the charges but could not confirm a booking (?) Grand. Took 10 days to remove every charge from my VISA card.
It takes a lot of perseverance, but those numbers do work.
[QUOTE=Dezzy Haynes; 1166054]Ah. The white screen of death. I had a similar experience in Feb. I made the mistake of attempting to rebook several times after seeing this, and later found that $4800 was charged to my card. Eventually got the call center, who confirmed the charges but could not confirm a booking (?) Grand. Took 10 days to remove every charge from my VISA card.
It takes a lot of perseverance, but those numbers do work. [/QUOTE]I finally figured out how to make the second number work. Must put a + in front of the number using my cell phone. How to do that with a land-line? The answer this time was a pinay's recorded voice extolling the wonders of C-P. After 90 seconds of that (with no end in site, @$2. 99 / minute foreign call) I hung up. No sense dealing with it. I called my bank (CC) and the rep helped me put a dispute on it.
On the C-P site there is an online form you can fill out with a complaint, so I did. I got an email back (auto-response) saying I would hear back within 7 days. Yet, I got no email from them verifying the purchase of either the first ticket, or the second double-booked ticket. Sheesh, now THAT'S customer service! Why the@$% don't they have a toll-free number. . .
Put a 011 first.
011-63-32-230-8888
[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1166156]I finally figured out how to make the second number work. Must put a + in front of the number using my cell phone. How to do that with a land-line? The answer this time was a pinay's recorded voice extolling the wonders of C-P. After 90 seconds of that (with no end in site, @$2. 99 / minute foreign call) I hung up. No sense dealing with it. I called my bank (CC) and the rep helped me put a dispute on it.
On the C-P site there is an online form you can fill out with a complaint, so I did. I got an email back (auto-response) saying I would hear back within 7 days. Yet, I got no email from them verifying the purchase of either the first ticket, or the second double-booked ticket. Sheesh, now THAT'S customer service! Why the@$% don't they have a toll-free number. . . [/QUOTE]I don't know man. I called the mofos on Skype, popped it on speaker and just did housework and sh*t till they picked up. I was calm and cool on the phone, but I didn't get much out of them. My CC company eventually took care of everything.
An Aussie guy I work with has a Mastercard and had no trouble with CP. I've read that non-PI issued visa cards don't work well. I definitely agree though, the CS is sh*ite.
[QUOTE=Dezzy Haynes; 1166193]I don't know man. I called the mofos on Skype, popped it on speaker and just did housework and sh*t till they picked up. I was calm and cool on the phone, but I didn't get much out of them. My CC company eventually took care of everything.
An Aussie guy I work with has a Mastercard and had no trouble with CP. I've read that non-PI issued visa cards don't work well. I definitely agree though, the CS is sh*ite. [/QUOTE]Gents, thanks. Yes, the bank (CC) will deny the charge because of the dispute. Guess I'll go to the domestic office at the Manila airport and figure it out when I'm there. The question becomes, since I have no email confirmation of either booking, do I now be gutsy and make a third booking for the same flight. . . ?
Guys:
Today, the US Department of State updated its travel warning on the Philippines. There's nothing much new, except the tone is more strident and makes the country sound more threatening than the prior advisory. If this new advisory follows the same trajectory as prior warnings, other Western democracies will soon follow suit with dire warnings of their own. My best guess is that this will adversely affect the rivulet of foreign investment capital that trickles in here, and more importantly for this August group, will dampen the enthusiasm of less than intrepid tourists thinking of coming here. Thus, demand may be truncated, while the supply will remain constant, given the poor economy and lack of opportunity. Punter competition in our common marketplace may actually decrease somewhat due to a reduced influx of tourists.
GE
For those who may have missed it, I've reproduced the relevant portions:
"Philippines
June 14, 2011
The Department of State warns U.S. citizens of the risks of terrorist activity in the Philippines, particularly in the Sulu Archipelago and on the island of Mindanao. Terrorist attacks could be indiscriminate and could occur in other areas, to include Manila. Targeted sites may be public gathering places including, but not limited to, airports, shopping malls, conference centers, and other public venues. This Travel Warning replaces the Travel Warning dated November 2, 2010, and updates specific regions of concern and reflects continuing threats due to terrorist and insurgent activities.
Travelers should exercise extreme caution if traveling to Mindanao or the Sulu Archipelago. Regional terrorist groups have carried out bombings resulting in injuries and death. Sporadic clashes have occurred between lawless groups and the Philippine Armed Forces throughout Mindanao, particularly in rural areas. U.S. Government employees must seek special permission to travel to Mindanao or the Sulu Archipelago.
The Philippine government declared a state of emergency on November 24, 2009, for the Maguindanao and Sultan Kudarat provinces, as well as Cotabato City in Mindanao, as a result of election-related violence. Although the elections have passed, this state of emergency is still in effect. Travelers should be aware of heightened police activity and significant military presence in these areas. They should carefully research restrictions imposed on travel and follow the instructions of government officials.*
Kidnap-for-ransom gangs are active throughout the Philippines and have targeted foreigners. U.S. citizens traveling, living, and working throughout the Philippines are urged to exercise heightened caution in public gathering places.**U.S. citizens should exercise caution when traveling in the vicinity of demonstrations since they can turn confrontational and possibly escalate to violence."
[url]http://www.sunstar.com.ph/breaking-news/2011/06/16/officials-verifying-mania-terror-plot-161436[/url]
MANILA. Authorities are verifying an intelligence report seen by The Associated Press that a top Asian terrorist suspect and the notorious Abu Sayyaf extremist group have sent militants to bomb targets in the capital.
Military and police intelligence officials said Thursday that they are taking the report seriously, although it remains unsubstantiated and comes from only one source.
They said intelligence operatives have been deployed in metropolitan Manila to thwart any attack.
The USA State Department on Wednesday renewed its travel warning for the Philippines, saying terrorist attacks could occur in the restive southern Mindanao region and even in Manila. (AP)
A common theme on this board is how Filipinos are, in general, interested only in money and have no moral compass. I thought I'd pass along an experience from when I visited Davao last November.
I was in the street, which was crowded due to some parade or something going on. Lots of people were crowding and bumping into each other.
A young Filipino guy, maybe 18 or 19 years old, tapped me on the shoulder. At first, I assumed that he was just another beggar trying to hustle me. I snapped around ready to tell him to leave me alone, when I noticed that in his hand was my wallet. He said,"Sir, I think you dropped this," and handed me the wallet back.
I was amazed, because my wallet had about 20, 000 pesos in it (mostly 1, 000 peso notes). I tried to give him 1, 000 pesos as a reward, but he just smiled, said "no, it's okay" and then walked away.
People are people, some honest and some not. Nationality is irrelevant.
RG
[QUOTE=Fifty Pesos;1165953]This is an old case. For me the blame goes towards the Filipina for being either ignorant or ignoring the laws of her land and the Brit for being destitute, arrogant and dragging himself and family into a extortion nightmare simply because he did not take due diligence when perusing third world flesh.[/QUOTE]I wonder how many guys get on sites like this and read about an oasis of never ending pussy in a far away exotic land then get on a plane only to arrive here and get themselves killed or mixed up in some serious shit.
As for the Brit, he was just another fool in paradise. Ignorance is not always bliss. He should have known who he was impregnating and the possible consequences. Laws aside, how could he possibly think a woman that shows such utter disregard for her husband and kids truly loves him? She definitely saw getting pregnant for him as a way to a better life, family be damned! I have seen Filipinas and Koreans leave their children behind to latch on like leeches to a man offering a better deal. They always seem to trade up again once they get to the new country. These types are cold calculating and constantly scheming. Weak dicks fall easily for their shows of affection, sweet lies and easy pussy.
[QUOTE=Radical Guy; 1167229]A common theme on this board is how Filipinos are, in general, interested only in money and have no moral compass. I thought I'd pass along an experience from when I visited Davao last November.
I was in the street, which was crowded due to some parade or something going on. Lots of people were crowding and bumping into each other.
A young Filipino guy, maybe 18 or 19 years old, tapped me on the shoulder. At first, I assumed that he was just another beggar trying to hustle me. I snapped around ready to tell him to leave me alone, when I noticed that in his hand was my wallet. He said,"Sir, I think you dropped this," and handed me the wallet back.
I was amazed, because my wallet had about 20, 000 pesos in it (mostly 1, 000 peso notes). I tried to give him 1, 000 pesos as a reward, but he just smiled, said "no, it's okay" and then walked away.
People are people, some honest and some not. Nationality is irrelevant.
RG[/QUOTE]He must have been a saint! Most of the Filipinos that foreigners come into contact with are the lying cheating stealing murdering kind. One good man doesn't disprove the general trend. I have also met honest young hard working Filipinas who never asked me for a peso and who would be appalled at the thought of fucking for money or advantage. However, these are not the kind of girls sex tourists are interested in meeting. They want the mercenary ass peddlers. So, it's really a self fulfilling prophecy.
[QUOTE=Radical Guy; 1167229]A common theme on this board is how Filipinos are, in general, interested only in money and have no moral compass. I thought I'd pass along an experience from when I visited Davao last November.
I was in the street, which was crowded due to some parade or something going on. Lots of people were crowding and bumping into each other.
A young Filipino guy, maybe 18 or 19 years old, tapped me on the shoulder. At first, I assumed that he was just another beggar trying to hustle me. I snapped around ready to tell him to leave me alone, when I noticed that in his hand was my wallet. He said,"Sir, I think you dropped this," and handed me the wallet back.
I was amazed, because my wallet had about 20, 000 pesos in it (mostly 1, 000 peso notes). I tried to give him 1, 000 pesos as a reward, but he just smiled, said "no, it's okay" and then walked away.
People are people, some honest and some not. Nationality is irrelevant.
RG[/QUOTE]Why praytell would you be carrying a wallet in the Philippines? And why would you have 20, 000 php on you? Something stinks on this story. My wallet, passport, tickets, etc are always locked up safely and I take as much money as I need for where I am going or what I'm doing.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1167342]He must have been a saint! Most of the Filipinos that foreigners come into contact with are the lying cheating stealing murdering kind. One good man doesn't disprove the general trend. I have also met honest young hard working Filipinas who never asked me for a peso and who would be appalled at the thought of fucking for money or advantage. However, these are not the kind of girls sex tourists are interested in meeting. They want the mercenary ass peddlers. So, it's really a self fulfilling prophecy.[/QUOTE]I've lived here for almost eight years now, and my experiences have, for the most part been positive. I've had cell phones, wallets and money returned to me by strangers. I've been treated, for the most part, with kindness and gentility. I disagree emphatically with those who would contend that "most" Filipinos lack any sort of moral compass. I find that most are honest, gentle people, but then I interact largely with middle class, educated, smart Filipinos.
As I've stated many times in many contexts, this is a country in which almost half the population of 95 million people live on less than $2 a day. For the very poor, who struggle to subsist and raise families, why should it be surprising that many will seize any opportunity to acquire enough money to survive for another day or another week? For them, as it would be for many of us I suspect, cadging the extra dollar or two is a matter of survival and not "national character," or intrinsic dishonesty. This is a country whose population is poorly served by a rapacious, thoroughly corrupt government and whose people, for the most part, envisage little or no hope for a better future. The average Filipino, with little education, few marketable skills and no hope of improving his / her lot in life is more deserving, I think, of sympathy than contempt.
GE
[QUOTE=Slippery;1167356]Something stinks on this story. My wallet, passport, tickets, etc are always locked up safely and I take as much money as I need for where I am going or what I'm doing.[/QUOTE]You sound a bit paranoid to me. Are you the type who refuse to drink cocktails with ice in them because you are afraid of getting the squirts?
[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1167380]You sound a bit paranoid to me. Are you the type who refuse to drink cocktails with ice in them because you are afraid of getting the squirts?[/QUOTE]I never understood how guys refuse drinks with ice but recklessly bareback random hookers.
[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1167380]You sound a bit paranoid to me. Are you the type who refuse to drink cocktails with ice in them because you are afraid of getting the squirts?[/QUOTE]No, I always bring my immodium with me. If you don't believe me, search my prior posts. It doesn't work with bullshit though.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1167369]I've lived here for almost eight years now, and my experiences have, for the most part been positive. I've had cell phones, wallets and money returned to me by strangers. I've been treated, for the most part, with kindness and gentility. I disagree emphatically with those who would contend that "most" Filipinos lack any sort of moral compass. I find that most are honest, gentle people, but then I interact largely with middle class, educated, smart Filipinos.[/QUOTE]I would say that most mongers see hookers and the low level people who are trying to take a shortcut to happiness. And an occasional scam here and there doesn't get marked as immoral.
Heck, even the church encourages asking from rich.
Step out of the hooker and such area, you will see the best of every country.
Once, when my flight from Batanes came late, my hotel pickup was missing, and everybody who got out of the 30 seater plane were harassing me to get dropped off in their vehicle. And none were heading to makati. I meant, they were genuinely interested to make the detour, including a couple, who's own pickup was there, and they were heading to Tarlac, but didn't mind dropping me in Makati.
Well, if I had been wallowing in mud. I don't expect angels. Do I?
[QUOTE=Slippery;1167356]Why praytell would you be carrying a wallet in the Philippines? And why would you have 20, 000 php on you? Something stinks on this story. My wallet, passport, tickets, etc are always locked up safely and I take as much money as I need for where I am going or what I'm doing.[/QUOTE]20, 000 php is less than $500, which is what I normally carry at home when I am NOT on vacation. I just don't like using credit cards overseas. For emergencies and reserve, I had $5000 in Amex travelers cheques in my room safe at the Marco Polo.
RG
[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1167369]I've lived here for almost eight years now, . . . . . . SNIP. . . . I've been treated, for the most part, with kindness and gentility. I disagree emphatically with those who would contend that "most" Filipinos lack any sort of moral compass. I find that most are honest, gentle people, but then I interact largely with middle class, educated, smart Filipinos. . . . . . . .
GE[/QUOTE]Fourteen years for me, and I endorse everything GE said in his post, including the bit about "middle class, educated, smart Filipinos". There are many of them around, but "dyed-in-the-wool" 14-day mongers will be unlikely to meet many of them.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1167821]Fourteen years for me, and I endorse everything GE said in his post, including the bit about "middle class, educated, smart Filipinos". There are many of them around, but "dyed-in-the-wool" 14-day mongers will be unlikely to meet many of them.[/QUOTE]Change unlikely to "NEVER" meet any of them.
We frequently get assailed with posts from guys condemning others who do not use condoms. They predict wholesale STD infection, and near certain infusion with the deadly AIDS virus.
I am not a condom user. I think that I have actually worn a condom twice in my life.
I have had a vasectomy, so impregnation is not an issue.
After each foray into asia, where all of my associations are bareback, I get completely screened for every form of STD known to man. Maybe two or three forays per year. This last one involved 21 different women.
As with every other foray, this one returned a completely clear result. Nil infection of any STD.
Even my doctor is beginning to think that maybe we are being subjected to deliberate misinformation propaganda by our respective governments.
[QUOTE=Gangles; 1168615]We frequently get assailed with posts from guys condemning others who do not use condoms. They predict wholesale STD infection, and near certain infusion with the deadly AIDS virus.
I am not a condom user. I think that I have actually worn a condom twice in my life.
I have had a vasectomy, so impregnation is not an issue.
After each foray into asia, where all of my associations are bareback, I get completely screened for every form of STD known to man. Maybe two or three forays per year. This last one involved 21 different women.
As with every other foray, this one returned a completely clear result. Nil infection of any STD.
Even my doctor is beginning to think that maybe we are being subjected to deliberate misinformation propaganda by our respective governments. [/QUOTE]Gangles,
Can you give us some information on the women you bareback? Are they bar girls, freelancer part-timers or non-pros? I find your ability to bareback so extensively and come away clean quite surprising based on reports of others catching STDs on their first trip. Do you take antibiotics during your adventures?
[QUOTE=Gangles; 1168615]We frequently get assailed with posts from guys condemning others who do not use condoms. They predict wholesale STD infection, and near certain infusion with the deadly AIDS virus.
I am not a condom user. I think that I have actually worn a condom twice in my life.
I have had a vasectomy, so impregnation is not an issue.
After each foray into asia, where all of my associations are bareback, I get completely screened for every form of STD known to man. Maybe two or three forays per year. This last one involved 21 different women.
As with every other foray, this one returned a completely clear result. Nil infection of any STD.
Even my doctor is beginning to think that maybe we are being subjected to deliberate misinformation propaganda by our respective governments. [/QUOTE]I doubt your report that you never contracted any STD during your extensive bareback experience.
Most commonly people get are Chlamydia and Siphylis. Gonorrea is sympamatic in girls that there will be nasty smell. Chlamydia can be nasty smell and discharge or asymptomatic.
Hiv is possible but since you had tests done can believe you did not catch. Catching HIV is very rare unless you do risky behaviour as outlined in HIV prevention website.
Ofcourse there are many who do not use condoms regularly including myself. Most of the time they are with non-pros but few instances with working girls also.
Alcohol intake, passion of the moment etc plays a part.
Ofcourse if you take a course of strong antibiotics during and after mongering your tests will be negative. In case of siphylis even if you take antibiotics it will still show weak antibodies after three months.
There are other things you can catch which includes warts, hepatitis B and C etc.
In Thailand and Phi in perticular barebacking is very common and so is catching something.
Questions are,
1. Do you exclusively bareback only non-pros? (Not that it is safe, who knows what she did?)
2. Did you get the girl tested before you had sex every time?
3. Did you take strong antibiotics during or after your trip and waited atleast a month-three months before getting tested.
4. Did you take any antibiotics when you noticed something wrong without going to the doctor and getting tested?
Most people get tested once a year if at all. I do not thing anybody gets tested after one mongering visit. Maybe some who are married will do but they may use condoms just to be safe.
We mongers are in a risky business of catching STD. It does not have to be sex, can be DATY, DFK, BBBJ etc. Ever wonder why you get sore throat after mongering visit? Most often we attribut it to.
Change of weather, dirty third world conditions, getting drunk etc. It is very much possible that you caught some STD from a girl carrier even though you used condom.
You should be extremely lucky not to catch any STD if you are a frequent monger soliciting workin girls.
Sammon.
I think your questions are more or less subtly answered in Gangles' original post, however I am surprised at the questions themselves. Self diagnosis or self prescribing of antibiotics is fraught with potential problems and is one of the main reasons why there are now so many resistant strains of bacteria around. The other thing to note is that specific antibiotics will only treat specific types of sexually transmitted infections, so taking one type of medication before and during a visit will not in itself prevent a sexual infection and it may actually mask some of the symptoms of the infection without curing it. Some infections also display similar symptoms, so you will never be completely sure what infection you have unless you are properly examined and screened. Your post and questions seemed to imply that you find that behaviour normal, if I am wrong I apologise.
I have a feeling that Gangles' post will generate many responses and I am neither advocating barebacking nor am I against it. I would just urge caution to those guys that may be tempted to take antibiotics as a precautionary measure to prevent infections, it is not IMHO a sensible solution.
I also don't agree about the point you made that most people don't get tested after one mongering visit. I always get tested after each visit, I have regular gf's that I bareback but I am not stupid and I know that if they do it with me then they will doubtless do it with others. I try not to bareback pro's but my resolve has not always been as strong as it should have been, but I too have been lucky, never having caught anything from my trips to the Philippines.
I have a feeling this will turn out to be another one of those endless (and maybe heated) discussions that will dominate the thread over the next few days, with no clear resolution for anyone!
[QUOTE=Gangles; 1168615]We frequently get assailed with posts from guys condemning others who do not use condoms. They predict wholesale STD infection, and near certain infusion with the deadly AIDS virus.
I am not a condom user. I think that I have actually worn a condom twice in my life.
As with every other foray, this one returned a completely clear result. Nil infection of any STD. [/QUOTE]You've been very lucky.
Every time you bet on red or black, you have a 50% chance of being right. Sooner or later you'll get the wrong result.
[QUOTE=Iron Duke; 1168670]You've been very lucky.
Every time you bet on red or black, you have a 50% chance of being right. Sooner or later you'll get the wrong result. [/QUOTE]I also find that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] shortly after popping your cork is beneficial in preventing std's. I know it's a pain in the ass to get up to take a whizz shortly after the deed but it seems to have worked for me over the years. While you are at it it's also a good idea to wash off your crank in the shower.
[QUOTE=Econo Tech;1167837]Change unlikely to "NEVER" meet any of them.[/QUOTE]No. Keep it at "unlikely". I am a 14 to 21 day monger and have met dentists, business owners, policewomen, and teachers.
[QUOTE=Gangles; 1168615]We frequently get assailed with posts from guys condemning others who do not use condoms. They predict wholesale STD infection, and near certain infusion with the deadly AIDS virus.
I am not a condom user. I think that I have actually worn a condom twice in my life.
Even my doctor is beginning to think that maybe we are being subjected to deliberate misinformation propaganda by our respective governments. [/QUOTE]Same same. Less than a handful of times for me to put on a raincoat. Hundreds of indonesians. Hundreds of pinay. And a like number combined canadians, bushy blond americanos, latinas, and caribbean island girls. Still. . . Waiting. . .
[QUOTE=Iron Duke; 1168670]You've been very lucky.
Every time you bet on red or black, you have a 50% chance of being right. Sooner or later you'll get the wrong result. [/QUOTE]Statistically correct, and incorrect at the same time. The red / black scenario is not the same as with girls. With the red / black scenario, the probability is 50% each roll of the dice. But with girls, far less than half have a disease, so its not a 50/50 situation. Still, eventually its bound to catch you, right?
[QUOTE=Sammon; 1168631]I doubt your report that you never contracted any STD during your extensive bareback experience.
You should be extremely lucky not to catch any STD if you are a frequent monger soliciting workin girls. [/QUOTE]Why? That only exists in your mind. I'm reporting the same thing. Also I know others like me. If you are saying that the odds of Gangles being correct is small, then the odds that two of us reporting the same thing is extremely small. And I know others in the same situation. This makes your theory of having lots of girls and getting no STD incorrect.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1167384]I never understood how guys refuse drinks with ice but recklessly bareback random hookers.[/QUOTE]The odds may not be what you think. I don't like ice in my drink. Hahaha.
[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1168733]Same same. Less than a handful of times for me to put on a raincoat. Hundreds of indonesians. Hundreds of pinay. And a like number combined canadians, bushy blond americanos, latinas, and caribbean island girls. Still. . . Waiting. . .
Statistically correct, and incorrect at the same time. The red / black scenario is not the same as with girls. With the red / black scenario, the probability is 50% each roll of the dice. But with girls, far less than half have a disease, so its not a 50/50 situation. Still, eventually its bound to catch you, right?
Why? That only exists in your mind. I'm reporting the same thing. Also I know others like me. If you are saying that the odds of Gangles being correct is small, then the odds that two of us reporting the same thing is extremely small. And I know others in the same situation. This makes your theory of having lots of girls and getting no STD incorrect.
The odds may not be what you think. I don't like ice in my drink. Hahaha. [/QUOTE]You maybe correct or you may be wrong I can only relate my own life tales
NSU 3 tImes.
Gonorrhea 2 times
Some times combined
The doctor did not warn me not to drink alcohol, so when it cleared up after 6 days I went to the pub, it came back, doctors response you silly man, this was as he was warming the the serum up under a tap, so that it flowed better ,then went and injected both cheeks of my bum did it hurt YES, lesson forgotten No.
No story Just true I am 59 now that was when I was 22 or around that age.
[QUOTE=Col Law; 1168739]You maybe correct or you may be wrong I can only relate my own life tales
NSU 3 tImes.
Gonorrhea 2 times
Some times combined[/QUOTE]When I was visiting the PI in mid-19080 from Okinawa, I picked up NSU twice in about 12 trips over 18 months and nothing else. Never used a condom although the US military encouraged it. I was told you could pick up NSU from other than sexual sources. I did the same bad things, swam in less than clean hotel pools and ate in the roadside BBQ stands but the women were all different. Never really thought about the consequences until the med techs started reaming my dick with a pipe cleaner but next trip, back to bare backing.
Young, foolish and before Aids / HIV. :)
Slim
Is there limitation for largest note value for street exchange offices in your experience? I have some 100€ notes I rarely see my personal life. I am planning to take some with me. Only some. How I got those is irrelelevant to my question. I am leaving to Phils next week and I would not like to bother to go to bank here exchangining into 50€. In my home country most of the shops have ultra violet light sensing devices for checking notes up from 50€.
[QUOTE=White Whale;1168992]Is there limitation for largest note value for street exchange offices in your experience? I have some 100€ notes....[/QUOTE]Speaking for AC, I've never had a problem with 100 Euro notes at the money changer. I guess in Manila it isn't a problem either.
Greetings from AC! Cheers!
To add a bit more information.
Of the 21 women that I had sex with. 6 were bargirls, so they have regular checkups; 3 are freelancers, one bieng very infrequent, one frequently in the business, and one in between.
The remailing 12 women are regular pinays. The great majority have had only one or two sexual partners before me.
One was with me for 17 days, one for 47 days. Almost all of these came through CB and DIA.
These numbers don't add up exactly, means my records are not perfect.
It is worth noting that those who are talking about red / black are seriously distorting statistical probabilities.
They are implying that the risk of contracting and STD is 50.
The point of my post is that the real likelihood, or risk, of contracting an STD is small. We are told through government propaganda incessantly that to bareback will surely result in an STD.
I am pointing out that this is just not true.
The story with government propaganda about HIV / AIDS is similarly distorted.
The Australian government publishes figures for HIV / AIDS annually. The number is about 1100 per year.
This is then promulgated to the average punter that they have to glove up when they are scruffing their regular gf, or they will get AIDS.
But the govt does not give a breakdown of that number. So that it is not possible to get a realistic understanding of the real risk. The actual numbers are available, but hard to find. When the number of cases contracted by homosexual sex, and intravenous drug use are deducted, the number of cases contracted through heterosexual sex in Australis, is about 5 per year.
That is. 5 cases among 10 million people of sexually active age. This means that the likelihood of contracting AIDS through heterosexual sex is miniscule. Forget it.
My doctor is slowly getting his head around the stastical concepts of likelihood and risk. Once you have a basic understanding, and hence the real numbers to look for, then you can get a realistic understanding of the likely outcomes of your behaviours.
Similarly, the government of the Philippines publishes figures for HIV / AIDS cases in the Phils. But keep in mind that there are vast numbers of baclas, who practice homosexual sex. And I have no feel for the number of intravenous drug users. So it is impossible to form any understanding of the likelihood of contracting HIV / AIDS through bareback sex in the Phils.
So think before you mindlessly propagate government propaganda.
G
[QUOTE=Gangles; 1169194]. . . . . . . . . SNIP.
So think before you mindlessly propagate government propaganda.
G[/QUOTE]Gangles mate I am not sure why you feel the need to be a cheerleader for the non-condom user brigade.
Your earlier post was definitely along that vein. I agree that HIV/AIDS data anywhere may not be too accurate so that is fair enough in your latest post.
Why not just leave it up to each of us to do whatever we want to minimize risk? You and I have eliminated one of the major risks resulting from not using a condom; that of impregnating a partner, because we have been vasectomized.
In my case, I want zero risk when it comes to my health and well-being. I don't really care about statistics, likelihoods and risks when it comes to personal health. I have already had 1 STD 13 years ago. I never want it again. Even if 1 in 100 girls can infect me, I still don't want to roll that dice.
I appreciate your wisdom in most matters but I just can't follow why you are crusading against using condoms, especially for those guys who are NOT vasectomized like you and me, because that's the way a lot of guys here will interpret your strongly worded advice..
I need some advice from some of the long term PI residents. It seems the last few times I have visited Manila I have come down with a terrible case of diarrhea. It has been so bad and so painful that I cannot leave the bed or bathroom for 4-5 days at a time. Loss of appetite, uncontrollable pain and cramps, no energy. I spend all of my time either on the pot or sleeping. The pain and cramps are so bad that some times I feel I could pass out from it. I am taking Cipro which seems to do OK but I am wondering if anyone has a more sure fire and faster cure for this problem?
I have pretty much decided that the cause is "filtered water" in restaurants. So I am going to stick entirely to bottled water in hopes that I can eliminate the problem. But with hopes of living here full time, it makes it pretty hard to imagine being sick like this on a regular basis.
[quote=devils 1; 1170059]i need some advice from some of the long term pi residents. it seems the last few times i have visited manila i have come down with a terrible case of diarrhea. it has been so bad and so painful that i cannot leave the bed or bathroom for 4-5 days at a time. loss of appetite, uncontrollable pain and cramps, no energy. i spend all of my time either on the pot or sleeping. the pain and cramps are so bad that some times i feel i could pass out from it. i am taking cipro which seems to do ok but i am wondering if anyone has a more sure fire and faster cure for this problem?
i have pretty much decided that the cause is "filtered water" in restaurants. so i am going to stick entirely to bottled water in hopes that i can eliminate the problem. but with hopes of living here full time, it makes it pretty hard to imagine being sick like this on a regular basis. [/quote]in the 8 years i've lived here, i think i've had it twice and both times took 500 mg. cipro pills twice a day for five days. i felt better within hours after having taken the first pill. i never drink any water-filtered or not-that doesn't come from a bottle, but i think i've probably developed some fairly strong antibodies since i've started living here. when i lived in africa, where dysentery was a constant threat and more of a problem for me than it is here, i avoided all uncooked vegetables unless prepared at home; ditto for fruits that hadn't been peeled.
ge
[QUOTE=Devils 1;1170059]........<SNIP> . . . . So I am going to stick entirely to bottled water in hopes that I can eliminate the problem. But with hopes of living here full time, it makes it pretty hard to imagine being sick like this on a regular basis.[/QUOTE]I doubt it is the water. Does it only happen in Manila? Have you been outside Manila?
I have lived here for 14 years and never had any problems whatsoever. The filtered water served in restaurants comes from the same sources as all the bottled water that you think will solve your problems. No water supplier in their right mind would flog contaminated water to restaurants.
Remember that very few pinoys use toilet paper and prefer the old "hand and pail" trick so rest room door latches, taxi door handles, stair rails, paper money etc all carry a heap of potential sources of contamination.
I think your immune system must be weak, so you need to build it up by getting as many antibodies into your system as you can to try to build up your health levels, other wise your plans to live here will be thwarted (unless you can isolate the cause).
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1170103]I doubt it is the water. Does it only happen in Manila? Have you been outside Manila?
I have lived here for 14 years and never had any problems whatsoever. The filtered water served in restaurants comes from the same sources as all the bottled water that you think will solve your problems. No water supplier in their right mind would flog contaminated water to restaurants.
Remember that very few pinoys use toilet paper and prefer the old "hand and pail" trick so rest room door latches, taxi door handles, stair rails, paper money etc all carry a heap of potential sources of contamination.
I think your immune system must be weak, so you need to build it up by getting as many antibodies into your system as you can to try to build up your health levels, other wise your plans to live here will be thwarted (unless you can isolate the cause). [/QUOTE]I think those mentoned may be one of the cause. But I was wondering if anyone got the parasites from just rimming some gal's assh*les? Rememebr there is some over of certain parasite that may be stick to the gal's ass and by chance get into your mouth when you ever try rimming her.
[QUOTE=Devils 1; 1170059]I need some advice from some of the long term PI residents. It seems the last few times I have visited Manila I have come down with a terrible case of diarrhea. It has been so bad and so painful that I cannot leave the bed or bathroom for 4-5 days at a time. Loss of appetite, uncontrollable pain and cramps, no energy. I spend all of my time either on the pot or sleeping. The pain and cramps are so bad that some times I feel I could pass out from it. I am taking Cipro which seems to do OK but I am wondering if anyone has a more sure fire and faster cure for this problem?
I have pretty much decided that the cause is "filtered water" in restaurants. So I am going to stick entirely to bottled water in hopes that I can eliminate the problem. But with hopes of living here full time, it makes it pretty hard to imagine being sick like this on a regular basis. [/QUOTE]I would advise you to have a check for an infection by amoeba. Google for it. The analysis should, however, be done by a lab that has experience with tropical diseases. A negative result could otherwise be obtained. Talk with your GP.
I have had it twice but where I caught it is not clear (Thailand, Phils) and the symptons were mild. I only got the idea it could be amoeba because of an article in New Scientist that stated that 50% of the people in tropical countries have parasites (either worms or amoeba). Usually doctors in the West have little experience with tropical diseases. I must have had it for 2-3 years without anyone making the right diagnosis.
[quote=goodenough; 1170097]in the 8 years i've lived here, i think i've had it twice and both times took 500 mg. cipro pills twice a day for five days. i felt better within hours after having taken the first pill. i never drink any water-filtered or not-that doesn't come from a bottle, but i think i've probably developed some fairly strong antibodies since i've started living here. when i lived in africa, where dysentery was a constant threat and more of a problem for me than it is here, i avoided all uncooked vegetables unless prepared at home; ditto for fruits that hadn't been peeled.
ge[/quote]immodium also works well. in fact all the filipinas i know are very familiar with immodium. i will tell you that when i lived ther i had cause / reason to have a study done on the ice that was being delivered to restaurants. the ice blocks that you see falling around the back of a dirty truck floor. all i can say after seeing the study is that i wouldn't take ice in my drinks ever again, unless i knew its source. and don't beleive that hotel ice is as pure as your gf's puss. many hotesl do not have enough supoly so they buy ice from the same ice block vendor in pretty cube shapes. don't trust ice!
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1170149]Immodium also works well. In fact all the Filipinas I know are very familiar with Immodium. I will tell you that when I lived ther I had cause / reason to have a study done on the ice that was being delivered to restaurants. The ice blocks that you see falling around the back of a dirty truck floor. All I can say after seeing the study is that I wouldn't take ice in my drinks EVER again, unless I knew its source. And don't beleive that hotel ice is as pure as your gf's puss. Many hotesl do not have enough supoly so they buy ice from the same ice block vendor in pretty cube shapes. Don't trust ice![/QUOTE]My votes for the culprit go first to ice and uncooked vegetables. I can't prove it's true, but a seasoned freelancer at the old LA Cafe (Now MBC) insisted she'd gotten sick from a mixed drink at LAC and believed they were using unfiltered water for the ice. I always ask about the ice, and if the place seems a little dodgy, like MBC, I take only bottled beverages or ask for no ice.
I have often gotten diarrhea during my Phils visits, and finally concluded maybe it was from "fresh" salads in which lettuce and other ingredients had been washed in tap water. I think it's unlikely that most restaurants use filtered water to rinse vegetables. I just left the Phils and, against my better judgment, had a garden salad in an Aussie-owned place the night before I left. It now appears it was a big mistake. I had managed to avoid any such ailment for nearly three weeks. It's tempting to see if my body can fight it down-and maybe thereby build up some immunity, but I do need to be able to function on a daily basis so will probably end up getting some cipro or something similar.
Another trap is chow king, every time I get hit with food poison it is after I have eaten at chow king. I have no idea why I keep eating there.
[QUOTE=Skip Kost; 1170399]My votes for the culprit go first to ice and uncooked vegetables. I can't prove it's true, but a seasoned freelancer at the old LA Cafe (Now MBC) insisted she'd gotten sick from a mixed drink at LAC and believed they were using unfiltered water for the ice. I always ask about the ice, and if the place seems a little dodgy, like MBC, I take only bottled beverages or ask for no ice.
I have often gotten diarrhea during my Phils visits, and finally concluded maybe it was from "fresh" salads in which lettuce and other ingredients had been washed in tap water. I think it's unlikely that most restaurants use filtered water to rinse vegetables. I just left the Phils and, against my better judgment, had a garden salad in an Aussie-owned place the night before I left. It now appears it was a big mistake. I had managed to avoid any such ailment for nearly three weeks. It's tempting to see if my body can fight it down-and maybe thereby build up some immunity, but I do need to be able to function on a daily basis so will probably end up getting some cipro or something similar. [/QUOTE]These are certainly the main causes of catching "it". Even if the ice is made from sterilized water it all depends what happens afterwards. On a holiday in the Caribbean my two friends came back to the hotel early morning. The ice, made no doubt from good water and packed in cartons, had been deposited outside the hotel, they told me later. Dogs walking passed pissed on the boxes! And if the ice is put in the glass by hands not washed? And once in Manila I walked around and had to have a leak. There was a nice hotel and I walked in. I couldn't find the washroom so I asked an employee. I followed the instructions and when I walked into the washroom I was stunned. Smell, dirty, no soap, etc. It was awful. When I walked out I looked back and saw that is was the washroom for employees! So much for that. Once on Boracay (1991) I had ordered a bottle of water with dinner. The waitress came back and opened the bottle. When I drank the water I smelled the chlorine. Tapwater. But how was that possible? She had opened the bottle by pulling the strip at the table. I looked and saw that the plastic was cut with a knife, obviously for another customer. Then everything was put together again after filling the bottle with tapwater. At the table she pulled the strip (and left it there and I could inspect it) : a smooth cut on one side; the other side was rough as it is when you pull it open and not cut it. You simply cannot trust anything. It's hard to stay clear of it but if symptons develop you should ALWAYS go and see a doctor. No self-medication.
An addition to my previous posting: 400 million (!) people in the tropics are estimated by the WHO to have an amoeba infection.
It is the second most deadly infection after malaria. Just remember.
And talking about "rimming". Those guys must be absolutely mad. If that isn't asking for trouble then I don't know what is.
May I ask a general question, and I hope this is not silly.
I am 50, 6'1, athletic. 200 pounds, white, not bald, greying hair, American.
If I were to visit Angeles City this summer, what type of reaction could I expect from the bargirls there? I would like to spend my time with pretty girls aged 18 to 22 who will truly shower me with love and affection. GFE in short.
Of course I am happy to pay the standard fee which I understand is between $25 and $75 US dollars per night.
What can I actually expect? Also is August, being a raining month with fewer tourists, a preferable time to visit?
I have this image of sexually insatiable, nubile Angeles bar girls, however I wonder if this is a myth or not.
[QUOTE=HarryDubois; 1170451]May I ask a general question, and I hope this is not silly.
I am 50, 6'1, athletic. 200 pounds, white, not bald, greying hair, American.
If I were to visit Angeles City this summer, what type of reaction could I expect from the bargirls there? I would like to spend my time with pretty girls aged 18 to 22 who will truly shower me with love and affection. GFE in short.
Of course I am happy to pay the standard fee which I understand is between $25 and $75 US dollars per night.
What can I actually expect? Also is August, being a raining month with fewer tourists, a preferable time to visit?
I have this image of sexually insatiable, nubile Angeles bar girls, however I wonder if this is a myth or not. [/QUOTE] HD you may have got a better response posting this in the AC thread. My first visit to AC will take place next month although I have been a frequent visitor to the country over the last few years. I am looking forward to posting about my AC experiences later next month. However my guess is that the bar girls are like the bar girls anywhere else in the country and that their primary concern will always be the size of your wallet and your generosity. All other factors are secondary.
As for the GFE then that is more difficult, since you need to rely on intuition and the girl's attitude before you bar fine her. My advice is to be very very clear about what you expect from the girl, BEFORE you bar fine her and even then that is no guarantee that you will get the performance you desire. I will be intrigued to see what some of the AC veterans think?
IMHO I don't think your physical attributes play a significant role in any encounter you have with professional girls although it is always good for one's ego to be told how handsome you are.
To be honest from my own personal experience, being presentable and clean are far more important to a bar girl together with a good attitude, than your looks. Your capacity to pay is by far the most important issue to them, above anything else.
[QUOTE=HarryDubois; 1170451]I am 50, 6'1, athletic. 200 pounds, white, not bald, greying hair, American.[/quote]Me 49, 6'2, 170 pounds, same white. So similar basics.
[quote]If I were to visit Angeles City this summer, what type of reaction could I expect from the bargirls there?[/quote]Should be no problem at all. I'm now in AC and have a cracker of a time. It's low season, the girls are very willing to go BF, keen to do a good job to secure some tip, so far after 5 nights I haven't had a runner and have got great GFE.
[quote]Also is August, being a raining month with fewer tourists, a preferable time to visit?[/quote]My personal opinion, I love the low season, even 11pm you can find a stunner, this is unlikely in December. Unfortunately you have to carry an umbrella all the time.
[quote]I have this image of sexually insatiable, nubile Angeles bar girls, however I wonder if this is a myth or not.[/QUOTE]Depends on your approach I guess. Treat the girls as you'd like to be treated, choose a girl if you click with her, get her some food, joking around, make her laugh and feeling comfortable and you'll get the reward in the bedroom. For sure. At least that's my experience.
Have fun!
[QUOTE=HarryDubois;1170451]What can I actually expect?[/QUOTE]And don't forget, the hotel you stay in expects you to bring at least one girl back every night. Better two.
If you get home alone, it's a walk of shame through the lobby and staff will start joking about you.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1170460]And don't forget, the hotel you stay in expects you to bring at least one girl back every night. Better two.
If you get home alone, it's a walk of shame through the lobby and staff will start joking about you.
Cheers! [/QUOTE]Are you kidding, or is that serious?
By the way, any advice about a nice, affordable hotel close to the nice bars?
[QUOTE=HarryDubois;1170468]Are you kidding, or is that serious?[/QUOTE]Don't worry, sort of kidding. Of course you can get back to your hotel alone.
But no hotel staff would blink an eye if you come back with three girls.
Got it?
Throwing the Swedes running the cam sites in jail and raiding the bars finally got the Philippines removed from Tier 3 status.
[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4976939[/url]
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1170802]Throwing the Swedes running the cam sites in jail and raiding the bars finally got the Philippines removed from Tier 3 status.
[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4976939[/url][/QUOTE]Not just that says me.
It is the number inflated by BI, by harassing legal travellers, and arresting / holding pax and then using dentist to check if they are legally above age or not.
Every year. 30, 000 passengers are stopped by BI. And last year they stopped 60, 000, under various rules and then count them as 'rescued [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] victims. '
And while poor job seekers, and even those with work approval get harassed, stopped and off-loaded by BI, miraculously, the so-called trafficking kingpins never get caught. Forgetting that majority of those stopped are trying to get out of the hell hole where they earn less than 5000 peso a month, to a decent and a better job overseas for atleast 10 times or more and BI proudly use the statistics, corroborated by the airlines in terms of lost seats, as the pax are 'victims'
All because Uncle Sam wants Positive action, and he gets Positive action.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1170802]Throwing the Swedes running the cam sites in jail and raiding the bars finally got the Philippines removed from Tier 3 status.
[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4976939[/url][/QUOTE]For the little effort to stop people making money they will keep millions "If they had remained on Tier 3, they faced US foreign aid being cut off."
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1170399]I have often gotten diarrhea during my Phils visits, and finally concluded maybe it was from "fresh" salads in which lettuce and other ingredients had been washed in tap water. I think it's unlikely that most restaurants use filtered water to rinse vegetables.[/QUOTE]Lettuce can be up to 95% water so contamination doesn't have to come from rinsing it. It can be "in" the lettuce itself. That is why they warn people to only eat cooked vegetables in third world countries.
[QUOTE=HarryDubois; 1170451]May I ask a general question, and I hope this is not silly.
I am 50, 6'1, athletic. 200 pounds, white, not bald, greying hair, American.
If I were to visit Angeles City this summer, what type of reaction could I expect from the bargirls there? I would like to spend my time with pretty girls aged 18 to 22 who will truly shower me with love and affection. GFE in short. [/QUOTE]Its all about you Dubois. Take your time, have fun, get to know the girls and wait for the one you click with. All of this will only take about 20 mins. I promise you will have your choice of 100's of model quality women every night. The only way to describe it is think of how cold, selfish, ugly, fat and unattractive american women are. Now think of the exact opposite and that is what you will find in A / C every hour of the day.
Its going to f*k you up with American or European women for the rest of your life. Your time will be spent either reminiscing or planning your next trip. My first trip out of the country was in 1998. I haven't dated an American woman since. I'm 10 years older than you, in reasonably good shape, shower and shave every day, and don't present myself personally as a slob or a drunken slob as I don't consume much alcohol. I come across with pinays as hansum, personable and kind with a good sense of humor. I have no problem pulling 18-25 in AC or Manila, both "good girls" and bar girls.
[QUOTE=Slippery;1170911]Its going to f*k you up with American or European women for the rest of your life. Your time will be spent either reminiscing or planning your next trip. My first trip out of the country was in 1998.[/QUOTE]
All true, and every time I come back from an Asian trip satisfied and feeling like a man should, the local girls (Americana's in my case) sense this in me and react differently to me than before I ventured East. Every time I return I get a lot more smiles and sexy looks from the Florida girls and my batting average with them goes way up. Asia has changed me, forever!
Of course, after you shag an American girl you are still stuck with her insular feminist point of view and start longing to be with Asian girls again and I am not talking about Asian American girls. Asian women born and raised in the USA or any western country are no better than their Caucasian sisters. Modern western culture has destroyed western women IMO. So I will never stop going to Asia (PI, Thailand, Cambodia, and South China). It is simple; few western women know how to or care to please a man any more. They have been brainwashed to act and think like men. The only problem is, they ARE women and can’t escape that fact. I still find American girls physically attractive, but I can't stand their personalities after a week or so.
I always knew something was wrong, but never knew what it was until my first trip to Thailand back in 1989. What an eye opener that trip was. Since then a lot of my friends have come with me on trips to Asia and every one of them has reached the same conclusion. My friends who have not made the trip don’t get it. They seem unsure of themselves by comparison and are totally wussed out by the women they shag or are in relationships with. I feel sorry for these guys still suffering under the tyranny of feminist BS and living in sexual prison. But hey, that’s their problem. My next trip is scheduled for October. I can't wait.
First time in manila. I will be there August 3 for two weeks. I'm curious do I need to get any vaccinations? A
[QUOTE=Jbiz979;1171113]First time in manila. I will be there August 3 for two weeks. I'm curious do I need to get any vaccinations? A[/QUOTE]If its your first time, you are likely to spend a day riding the porcelain bus (the toilet) after eating the local food. The likelyhood of catching flu / common cold from the girls you meet is also quite high, since the strains of the flu present here are different from what you are immune to in your home country.
For more serious diseases. There is dengue fever and malaria on some of the islands but not on any of the typical tourist destinations.
Sexually transmitted diseases are not as widespread as in the african countries, but gonorrhea and chlamydia is fairly common. Condom up!
All that been said, I would NOT recommend to get any vaccinations. They often do more long term harm than good. For more in depth discussion on this topic check.
[url]http://curezone.com/topic/vaccination/[/url]
[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist; 1171121]All that been said, I would NOT recommend to get any vaccinations. They often do more long term harm than good. For more in depth discussion on this topic check.
[url]http://curezone.com/topic/vaccination/[/url][/QUOTE]Boost your immunisation by ensuring you have enough sleep, less alcohol, and multi-vitamin. And if it is your first time, ensure you have good food.
Some places are crappy and you will be forced to eat crappy food, and a week of crappy food can cause more hurt than getting runover by a jeepney.
[QUOTE=Jbiz979;1171113]First time in manila. I will be there August 3 for two weeks. I'm curious do I need to get any vaccinations? A[/QUOTE]Tetnus, Hepatitis A and B. Thats it I guess.
Unfortunately there aren't vaccinations against STD's, Malaria and Dengue.
Have fun!
[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1171126]Tetnus, Hepatitis A and B. Thats it I guess.
Unfortunately there aren't vaccinations against STD's, Malaria and Dengue.
Have fun![/QUOTE]Theres also no vaccination against stupidity either. I seem to forget to eat when I'm in Manila frequently, and generally forget to sleep too. Oh and drink too much and have way too much sex.
[QUOTE=Jbiz979;1171113]First time in manila. I will be there August 3 for two weeks. I'm curious do I need to get any vaccinations? A[/QUOTE]I agree with the tetanus and Hep A and B recommendations and would strongly urge that you get them. As to riding the porcelein pony, I disagree. I've lived here for 8 years, or almost, and I think I've had dynsentery twice. Just don't eat off the street. Don't eat in local "eateries" and you'lll be fine. As a precaution, when you arrive, go to any pharmacy and buy ten Cipro 500 mg. Tablets and keep them handy. At the first sign of dynsentery, take one, and then two a day thereafter for 5 days.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1171147]I agree with the tetanus and Hep A and B recommendations and would strongly urge that you get them. As to riding the porcelein pony, I disagree. I've lived here for 8 years, or almost, and I think I've had dynsentery twice. Just don't eat off the street. Don't eat in local "eateries" and you'lll be fine. As a precaution, when you arrive, go to any pharmacy and buy ten Cipro 500 mg. Tablets and keep them handy. At the first sign of dynsentery, take one, and then two a day thereafter for 5 days.
GE[/QUOTE]As to not eating off the street take a look at how food is stored off the street after cooking.
Its left to heat if thats the right word in chafing dishes, with one small fuel capsule keeping it slightly warmed, even tho the food is left in the open (uncovered) with the outside temperature at 32 plus degrees.
Of course in the more refined off the street places a girl will ocassionally waft a stick in the direction of the food thereby ensuring no fly gets anywhere near the food.
And you wonder why people get sick.
I appreciate all your recommendations. Sleep, avoid local cuisine, chicks with flu or cold and condom up, multivitamin. Got It! Thanks Guys
[QUOTE=Jbiz979;1171302]I appreciate all your recommendations. Sleep, avoid local cuisine, chicks with flu or cold and condom up, multivitamin. Got It! Thanks Guys[/QUOTE]And have a ready smile for all. Even the fuglies. They have lovely sisters. Remember there are opportunities in abundance.
I've got my premier trip planned on the 7th, maybe not the best time to go with what is happening in angeles but maybe that is par for the course. Anyway can I get a real break down of prices in Manila vs Angeles. I realize there is a difference per girl and bar but what is actually norm? It seems normal price is also for all night sometimes the next day too, do these girls not want a quick pop? Sometimes I just want to be done with them and kick them out of the room.
Also back to another topic not to long ago. Food poisoning. Is it that bad there? I've been to Tijuana and south South Korea which were probably the two worst places I have been food wise and never gotten anything. I try to be careful but every once in awhile I'll realize I'm brushing my teeth with tap water or something and pull an "oh shit" I only drink bottled water or beer in US so I'm fairly safe there, but hearing bottles be recycled and what not, is it that much worse there than in any other third world country? Thanks!
[QUOTE=Madisonguy;1172279]Also back to another topic not to long ago. Food poisoning. Is it that bad there? I've been to Tijuana and south South Korea which were probably the two worst places I have been food wise and never gotten anything. I try to be careful but every once in awhile I'll realize I'm brushing my teeth with tap water or something and pull an "oh shit" I only drink bottled water or beer in US so I'm fairly safe there, but hearing bottles be recycled and what not, is it that much worse there than in any other third world country? Thanks![/QUOTE]I've lived here for almost 8 years, and I think maybe I've had food poisoning once during all that time. I don't eat in the local cheap restaurants (eateries) , and I never eat off the street. As I think I suggested before, when you get here, go to any pharmacy and buy a complete course (ten pills) of Ciprofloxicin (500 mgs.) in case you have a problem, but it's likely that you won't. You cannot of course, drink the water, but I brush my teeth with Manila water from the tap all the time, and I don't know the source of the water that went into the ice cubes in whatever I'm drinking. Again, if you stick to reasonable restaurants you should be fine.
GE
[QUOTE=Madisonguy;1172279]Also back to another topic not to long ago. Food poisoning. Is it that bad there? I've been to Tijuana and south South Korea which were probably the two worst places I have been food wise and never gotten anything. I try to be careful but every once in awhile I'll realize I'm brushing my teeth with tap water or something and pull an "oh shit" I only drink bottled water or beer in US so I'm fairly safe there, but hearing bottles be recycled and what not, is it that much worse there than in any other third world country? Thanks![/QUOTE]Madison, you will be fine. If you can handle Tijuana and S Korea this place is no worse. Basic rules: never drink tap water, never eat from a food stall on the street, never eat from Jollibee / Chowking or the other one that seems to be tied to these two, never drink the ice, only eat cooked food, only go to upscale restaurants, if something looks or smells bad it probably is.
I didn't mean to send the board into hysteria, the reality is I have the weakest stomach in the world. I seem to get the loose stools no matter where I travel or what I eat.
[QUOTE=Madisonguy;1172279]I try to be careful but every once in awhile I'll realize I'm brushing my teeth with tap water or something and pull an "oh shit" I only drink bottled water or beer in US so I'm fairly safe there, but hearing bottles be recycled and what not, is it that much worse there than in any other third world country? Thanks![/QUOTE]The safety levels for cleanliness in all the mall eateries in Manila (Makati and Ortigas Center, for example) , are high and you should not have much of a problem if you eat in high-turnover restaurants and the well-known chains (Pizza Hut, KFC, etc).
I would be more selective in any of the food courts in these malls. Some of the food sits there at low heat for who-knows-how-long so I would be wanting to buy something that is grilled while I wait (like a chicken barbecue) if ever I needed to eat in a food court.
Most of the larger hotels in Manila treat the water coming through their systems (try smelling the water on most early mornings and you will get a good whiff of chlorine-type smell)
My condo treats the water that we get through the water system and none of my family or visitors have ever had any problem with using it for teeth-brushing etc.
We drink water from the large dispensers that are distributed by the water companies. The same ones that produce the bottled water that you buy in 7/11 and supermarkets.
Restaurants get their ice from the same source, delivered in cubes etc in large bags that come from the same bottled water sources.
I believe that you can trust these sources. Both GE and I have had no problems in our accumulated 24 years of experience living here but we are careful where we eat.
I would be wary about the small eateries that locals use along the streets in Ermita and Malate in "old" Manila, and especially the street carts. We have all seen the way they chop up their ice on the pavements next to where people spit and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] all day.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1172347]We have all seen the way they chop up their ice on the pavements next to where people spit and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] all day.[/QUOTE]I love the way they dry rice in the provinces by putting it out in thin layers on the nearby road to dry. Sometimes plastic goes down under the rice, but not always. Since the rice often takes up half the width of the roadway, drivers will drive into the other lane to avoid it if nobody's coming the other direction. But when they meet another vehicle they just drive right through the rice. The farmers just sweep the rice off the road and bag it after it's dry. Maybe it gets milled again in an attempt to get out chaff and impurities, or maybe not. Helps explain the extra little crunchiness that's sometimes present in rice in Philippine restaurants. But at least it's been cooked, right; so what's the problem?
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1172429]I love the way they dry rice in the provinces by putting it out in thin layers on the nearby road to dry. Sometimes plastic goes down under the rice, but not always. Since the rice often takes up half the width of the roadway, drivers will drive into the other lane to avoid it if nobody's coming the other direction. But when they meet another vehicle they just drive right through the rice. The farmers just sweep the rice off the road and bag it after it's dry. Maybe it gets milled again in an attempt to get out chaff and impurities, or maybe not. Helps explain the extra little crunchiness that's sometimes present in rice in Philippine restaurants. But at least it's been cooked, right; so what's the problem?[/QUOTE]I said "ice" in my previous post Skip, not rice.
What you referred to in your post was the rice on the road side, usually in relatively small amounts for household consumption. It is the palay (freshly harvested grains) that they are drying. I have joined in the chore in my family province on numerous occasions to walk up and down with the wooden spade "turning it over" every 15 to 30 mins to dry it. The large quantities of commercially consumed white rice (that you will eat in restaurants) is more often dried in large drying drums in the buyers' depots.
After drying it goes through an extreme milling process first when they grind the bejesus out of it leaving the tasteless white glue behind.
In my condo we actually eat brown rice all the time, which apart from a superior nutty flavor has at least some nutrition left behind. Slowly but surely the consumption of brown rice is increasing in the Philippines, but it is more expensive than white rice even though white rice costs more to produce.
[url]http://www.greenlivingtips.com/articles/94/1/Brown-rice-vs-white-rice.html[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_rice[/url]
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1172444]I said "ice" Skip not rice.
In my condo we actually eat brown rice all the time, which apart from a superior nutty flavor has at least some nutrition left behind. Slowly but surely the consumption of brown rice is increasing in the Philippines, but it is more expensive than white rice even though white rice costs more to produce.
[url]http://www.greenlivingtips.com/articles/94/1/Brown-rice-vs-white-rice.html[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_rice[/url][/QUOTE]Try the red rice from Baguio. Very flavourful and obviously as with brown rice, substantially more nutritious.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1172444]I said "ice" in my previous post Skip, not rice.[/QUOTE]I know you were talking about ice, but the image of chopping ice on the sidewalk brought up road drying of rice in my mind. Although it has nothing to do with eating, I also wonder at the way construction crews mix concrete on the ground-and no doubt get a bunch of dirt into the limestone, shale, and water that otherwise form a strong chemical reaction and strong building material. It makes you wonder about the strength of building practices in the Philippines. I have friends who are convinced the Mall of Asia is going to experience a major collapse with serious loss of life in the near future--as a result both of shoddy building practices as well as the persistent settling of the reclaimed land on which it was built.
Your explanation of rice drying methods is reassuring, but now how can I reconcile my occasional experiences of crunching down on what feels like dirt or grit when I'm eating rice in the Philippines? The alternative explanations are almost more disgusting than dirt getting in the rice from drying it on the road.
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1172429]I love the way they dry rice in the provinces by putting it out in thin layers on the nearby road to dry. Sometimes plastic goes down under the rice, but not always. Since the rice often takes up half the width of the roadway, drivers will drive into the other lane to avoid it if nobody's coming the other direction. But when they meet another vehicle they just drive right through the rice. The farmers just sweep the rice off the road and bag it after it's dry. Maybe it gets milled again in an attempt to get out chaff and impurities, or maybe not. Helps explain the extra little crunchiness that's sometimes present in rice in Philippine restaurants. But at least it's been cooked, right; so what's the problem?[/QUOTE]Well, in Asia, almost everywhere, that is how rice gets treated. People in Asia can't afford to have rice treated like precious minerals. Small farmers can't afford to rent a machine to seperate the rice. And the drivers are expected to drive over the drying rice, to also help to seperate the rice from the stalk.
Go to India, or Thailand.
And the bottom line is, when they mill the rice, of course everything gets removed. And if you cooking, in Asia, people wash the rice atleast three times, before boiling it, unlike Caucasians who believe anything in a pack is clean to eat. (I remember the guy who said Salad is safe, never thinking how impure salad can be, compared to cooked food.)
Actually, good bars don't use Ice makers for the same reason. An unclean iceamaker can host a lot of things, including cockroaches, and even once I fished out a Scorpion
And to add some fire, to whoever said LAC ice is impure. I remember LAC ice being shipped from the Ice Makers, the subsidiary of San Miguel, if I remember correctly. As I had this conversation. About the ice being pure or not.
Now, if San Miguel shipped the dirty bagged Ice, then too bad. After all, everything in Philippines is monopolised, and maybe they have a law protectign ice-makers, by banning Ice Machines. Or, in jest, the bars with ice machines don't get city sanitation permit. How else can the rich families become richer?
[QUOTE=Skip Kost; 1172448]. .
Your explanation of rice drying methods is reassuring, but now how can I reconcile my occasional experiences of crunching down on what feels like dirt or grit when I'm eating rice in the Philippines? The alternative explanations are almost more disgusting than dirt getting in the rice from drying it on the road.[/QUOTE]I an sure there are far more disgusting perils around for mongers who are not highly selective about what they put in their mouths Skip. At least what I am thinking about has not been cooked.
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1172448]I know you were talking about ice, but the image of chopping ice on the sidewalk brought up road drying of rice in my mind. Although it has nothing to do with eating, I also wonder at the way construction crews mix concrete on the ground-and no doubt get a bunch of dirt into the limestone, shale, and water that otherwise form a strong chemical reaction and strong building material. It makes you wonder about the strength of building practices in the Philippines. I have friends who are convinced the Mall of Asia is going to experience a major collapse with serious loss of life in the near future--as a result both of shoddy building practices as well as the persistent settling of the reclaimed land on which it was built.[/QUOTE]If your friend is a structural engineer, and has seen the stress / load bearing of MOA. Good.
I have a friend who has scouted a place in MOA, and, he being Singaporean, ran the same process as in Singapore. Check for load bearing / safety etc. He was not stupid to park his 500K US, if it was so unsafe. Sorry.
[QUOTE]Your explanation of rice drying methods is reassuring, but now how can I reconcile my occasional experiences of crunching down on what feels like dirt or grit when I'm eating rice in the Philippines? The alternative explanations are almost more disgusting than dirt getting in the rice from drying it on the road.[/QUOTE]Errr. Pardon me sir, do I get to know in which green-house, climate controlled, and using purified air, and pure distilled water is rice manufactured? !
[QUOTE=Econo Tech;1172614]If your friend is a structural engineer, and has seen the stress / load bearing of MOA. Good. I have a friend who has scouted a place in MOA, and, he being Singaporean, ran the same process as in Singapore. Check for load bearing / safety etc. He was not stupid to park his 500K US, if it was so unsafe. Sorry. Errr. Pardon me sir, do I get to know in which green-house, climate controlled, and using purified air, and pure distilled water is rice manufactured? ![/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback, ET. Have I pissed you off? Sorry, that wasn't my intention. I was passing along casual observations, not claiming these to be established facts.
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1172696]Thanks for the feedback, ET. Have I pissed you off? Sorry, that wasn't my intention. I was passing along casual observations, not claiming these to be established facts.[/QUOTE][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off? Nope. Never.
Well, knowing the Filipino standards, I could agree with you in some places though. Like those precariously placed residential properties that are given certification. As long as built by Filipino Engineers, with a Filipino architect. !
As for the sinking stuff, living in Singapore, well, there is nothing called 'stabilised' land, in my view. After all, about 10% of land, including the site of the Marina Bay Sands and Changi Airport etc are built in reclaimed land. Though I am not a civil engineer.
Then again, MOA is owned by another mega-rich family. You never know how or where they do their certifications. !
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1172696]Thanks for the feedback, ET. Have I pissed you off? Sorry, that wasn't my intention. I was passing along casual observations, not claiming these to be established facts.[/QUOTE]Not to worry, it's a legitimate concern. Having first-hand experience with the highly questionable skill levels of locally-trained engineers here-albeit on much smaller projects-I can well understand the conclusions of your friends. In fact, every time I get to one of the higher floors of a building in Makati, I dwell lightly on the concern about the quantity and quality of the rebar and the concrete that's holding up the floors. My best friend here is a supervising design engineer (American) and some of the stories he tells me about some of the designs he's seen give me pause as well. However, I think MOA is owned by SM and I'm fairly sure I've been told by people who actually know, that their stuff, as well as the buildings constructed by Ayala are actually built to pretty stringent international specifications.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1172735]Not to worry, it's a legitimate concern. Having first-hand experience with the highly questionable skill levels of locally-trained engineers here-albeit on much smaller projects-I can well understand the conclusions of your friends. In fact, every time I get to one of the higher floors of a building in Makati, I dwell lightly on the concern about the quantity and quality of the rebar and the concrete that's holding up the floors. My best friend here is a supervising design engineer (American) and some of the stories he tells me about some of the designs he's seen give me pause as well. However, I think MOA is owned by SM and I'm fairly sure I've been told by people who actually know, that their stuff, as well as the buildings constructed by Ayala are actually built to pretty stringent international specifications. GE[/QUOTE]Yes, MOA is owned by SM, the corporation formed by shoe merchant Henry Sy, ostensibly the richest man in the Philippines.
Yearly insurance (health) polices anyone with experience purchasing the same in Phil?
Ok I have been reading a lot and trying to get a general feel for pricing as to not over pay when I'm in Philippines. But there's conflicting evidence for me of what the cost is to actually get a girl back with you. I've seen some people say you pay bar fine, around 1500 pesos and then tip the girl at the end which to me a gracious tip would be 500 pesos. But I've seen a lot of break down posts that said 1500 bar fine and 1500 tip, a tip is not double in most cases so I'm curious as to if the word "tip" is actually an agreement so really the price is 3000 or whatever is negotiated on top of bar fine? Some clarification would be great so I don't look like a total noob when I'm there.
[QUOTE=Madisonguy;1173201]Ok I have been reading a lot and trying to get a general feel for pricing as to not over pay when I'm in Philippines. But there's conflicting evidence for me of what the cost is to actually get a girl back with you. I've seen some people say you pay bar fine, around 1500 pesos and then tip the girl at the end which to me a gracious tip would be 500 pesos. But I've seen a lot of break down posts that said 1500 bar fine and 1500 tip, a tip is not double in most cases so I'm curious as to if the word "tip" is actually an agreement so really the price is 3000 or whatever is negotiated on top of bar fine? Some clarification would be great so I don't look like a total noob when I'm there.[/QUOTE]Madison: I can only tell you how things work in Angeles City (A. C.) as that is the extent of my hobbying experience in The Philippines. The barfine is supposed to cover an overnight stay (LT) which could range from 1000 PHP (piso) to 3000 PHP. No extras are implied. You may tip for exceptional service. Most of my barfines want to leave after a couple of hours so I let them and don't give them any additional money. They are fine with that arrangement. The girls only get a portion of the barfine you paid to the bar. This amount is roughly half of the barfine. So if you are ever offered a 'direct' date without involving the bar, offering slightly over 50% of the barfine would not be out of bounds.
[QUOTE=Almotu;1173219]Madison: I can only tell you how things work in Angeles City (A. C.) as that is the extent of my hobbying experience in The Philippines. The barfine is supposed to cover an overnight stay (LT) which could range from 1000 PHP (piso) to 3000 PHP. No extras are implied. You may tip for exceptional service. Most of my barfines want to leave after a couple of hours so I let them and don't give them any additional money. They are fine with that arrangement. The girls only get a portion of the barfine you paid to the bar. This amount is roughly half of the barfine. So if you are ever offered a 'direct' date without involving the bar, offering slightly over 50% of the barfine would not be out of bounds.[/QUOTE]Thanks, that is kind of what I was thinking was going on but have seen some people post a seperate 1500 pesos for the girl. I don't know if they just don't like money or something else is going on.
Madisonguy,
The answer to your question depends on where you are. Don't get hung up on the words. It is a matter of location, location, location.
In AC bars charge an EWR which includes the bar fine + service charge. This EWR is 1500p for LT in most places on Fields except for the "model" quality girls where the EWR is 3000p for LT inclusive. After being with the girl if you feel like tipping her extra it is up to you. RTFF for the endless debates on tipping etiquette.
In Makati it is a different ballgame. In the Burgos street bars there is a bar fine or EWR which is not inclusive of services rendered so the so called "tip" is not really a tip but rather a service charge and must be negotiated separately like in BKK GoGo's. The bar fines and service charges LT or ST vary from bar to bar and in some bars like Rogues you can receive in-house service if that's what you desire. To give you an example; a Burgos street bar girl will run 1500p to 3000p for bar fine (EWR) and another 2000p to 4000p for LT service. If you wish to tip the girl above this it is again up to you, but not mandatory. Burgos Street is not cheap, but try Rogues Bar. I think you will like it (read my Rogues bar report). Also in Makati, there is Havana Cafe in Greenbelt 3. Much has been written about Havana Cafe. There you will find FL's that charge between 1500p and 2500p LT total and here a tip is not mandatory.
I have never been to Cebu but plan to. Price structure in Cebu Bars is written up in the Cebu thread. I hope this helps.
Awesome thanks!
There is a guy going around the bars doing video and not asking the girls if he can upload them. One of my FF has found out her friends videos are on line. I would worry if I was that guy as the girls are saying they are contacting the police now.
It is ilegal to post video of pina who you pay to do video so unless she is you GF you can face the law. Lets see what he gets hit with.
They have blocked the site from PI with "Why am I seeing this page?
Your IP address based on the country, region or network has been flagged by the website owner."
[QUOTE=Frenzy3;1174506]They have blocked the site from PI with "Why am I seeing this page?[/QUOTE]If you pay someone a fee for pics or vids, I believe that is an implied contract.
How about posting the website again less the www and com.
Thanks
Interesting Opinion piece in todays NY Times on the decline of online message boards.
[url]http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/remembrance-of-message-boards-past/?nl=opinion&emc=tya1[/url]
ISG must be going against the trend since the board seems very active to me, but I don't have any numbers to back it up.
Then again, maybe it is the same old group who keep posting on the Philippines board at least, with a fresh member popping in every now and again
[QUOTE=Almotu;1173219]Madison: I can only tell you how things work in Angeles City (A. C.) as that is the extent of my hobbying experience in The Philippines. The barfine is supposed to cover an overnight stay (LT) which could range from 1000 PHP (piso) to 3000 PHP. No extras are implied. You may tip for exceptional service. Most of my barfines want to leave after a couple of hours so I let them and don't give them any additional money. They are fine with that arrangement. The girls only get a portion of the barfine you paid to the bar. This amount is roughly half of the barfine. So if you are ever offered a 'direct' date without involving the bar, offering slightly over 50% of the barfine would not be out of bounds.[/QUOTE]1. Barfine is to take the girl out of the bar. Although sex is expected but not guaranteed. Although if the girl does not perform atleast one time you can take the girl back to the bar as many mongers have done and got the money back. In some cases they have substituted another girl of your preference.
Not all mo0ngers go this route. Sometimes they will just loose the money and chalk it up to experience. Partly because they feel sorry for these girls.
There are several reasomns girls will refuse which include she is on the rag, just does not like you drunk, body odor, smelly breath, size of penis etc.
These girls can be picky sometimes but they never disclose this at the time of barfine. Some will say only for barhopping. Avoid them.
2. Experience varies from girl to girl if they stay LT or run after one shot. Some girls are hard to get rid of. They will stay till next evening. Some hope you will barfine again.
If the girl decides to run, there is nothing you can do but let her go.
Once she had sex with you one time bar will not honor your complaints.
3. If the barfine is 1500 pesos, the girl gets 600 pesos. Do not know how much they get if 3000 peso barfine. Personally never barfined 3000 peso girls.
4. Tip is not expected but in general 200-500 pesos depending on service and attitude is considered normal.
Some with money to burn have paid upwards of 3000 pesos tip, girls tell me. Hard to know if they are lying.
5. Sometimes it is possible to get the girl come over after her shift. If the girl is staying with other girls in the dorm they will not do it. However if they live by themselves maybe.
There are snitches in their group and backbiting and jealousy are common.
[QUOTE=Sammon;1175697]Once she had sex with you one time bar will not honor your complaints.[/QUOTE]This is all AC stuff.
Not necessarily. In some bars (not all) , if the girl agrees to particulars prior to departing the bar, the bar may honor your complaint. Solutions may include: partial refund, having the girl return to you, or offering a different girl. For instance, if the girl agreed to stay until, say. 9am the next morning, then ran away in the night without good reason, they may have her finish the time with you, or offer you a different girl. They will pull everything in the world to avoid a partial refund.
[QUOTE=Sammon;1175697]These girls can be picky sometimes but they never disclose this at the time of barfine.[/QUOTE]All the more reason to spell out your list of needs to the girl before agreeing to barfine.
[QUOTE=Sammon;1175697]3. If the barfine is 1500 pesos, the girl gets 600 pesos.[/QUOTE]Every girl, waitress, and mamasan has told me the girl gets exactly half. This includes the ST bars on Santos, the girl gets 350 of your 700. I was wrong about all of them cutting their ST timeframe to 2 hours, as two of them are at 3 hours. This is still a reduction from the prior 4 hours.
[QUOTE=Sammon;1175697]Some with money to burn have paid upwards of 3000 pesos tip, girls tell me. Hard to know if they are lying.[/QUOTE]After a 3-some ST with two Santos girls we had an hour to kill so I took them to Crystal Palace for a drink. While there, they shared with me that they had both been in the bar for a whopping 2 weeks, and that one of them had an american customer in her first week who:
* was tremedously fat.
* barfined her 4 nights in a row.
* on one of those nights he barfined 3 other girls, just to have 4 girls in tow.
* never had sex with any of the girls, including her.
* gave every girl a p5000 tip each night, and turned them loose early.
* took the girls out partying, and only went to the room to snap a few pics and drink more. Never sex.
The girls were cracking up telling me this. The other girl said about the highly-tipped girl: What she got that I don't?
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1175673]Interesting Opinion piece in todays NY Times on the decline of online message boards.
[url]http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/remembrance-of-message-boards-past/?nl=opinion&emc=tya1[/url]
ISG must be going against the trend since the board seems very active to me, but I don't have any numbers to back it up.
Then again, maybe it is the same old group who keep posting on the Philippines board at least, with a fresh member popping in every now and again[/QUOTE]You are right Sir. Lots of us longer term members around (we all know who we are) with a few enthusiastic noisy newbies now and again always telling us how wrong we are, how they did it better, how much younger their girls were, how we basically don't know so much etc.
Then they wander off into other areas never to be seen again. I'm in the "ISG says he's argumentative" sin bin for the next 6 months so am choosing my words with care. LOL.
[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1175790]This is all AC stuff.
Not necessarily. In some bars (not all) , if the girl agrees to particulars prior to departing the bar, the bar may honor your complaint. Solutions may include: partial refund, having the girl return to you, or offering a different girl. For instance, if the girl agreed to stay until, say. 9am the next morning, then ran away in the night without good reason, they may have her finish the time with you, or offer you a different girl. They will pull everything in the world to avoid a partial refund.
All the more reason to spell out your list of needs to the girl before agreeing to barfine.
Every girl, waitress, and mamasan has told me the girl gets exactly half. This includes the ST bars on Santos, the girl gets 350 of your 700. I was wrong about all of them cutting their ST timeframe to 2 hours, as two of them are at 3 hours. This is still a reduction from the prior 4 hours.
After a 3-some ST with two Santos girls we had an hour to kill so I took them to Crystal Palace for a drink. While there, they shared with me that they had both been in the bar for a whopping 2 weeks, and that one of them had an american customer in her first week who:
* was tremedously fat.
* barfined her 4 nights in a row.
* on one of those nights he barfined 3 other girls, just to have 4 girls in tow.
* never had sex with any of the girls, including her.
* gave every girl a p5000 tip each night, and turned them loose early.
* took the girls out partying, and only went to the room to snap a few pics and drink more. Never sex.
The girls were cracking up telling me this. The other girl said about the highly-tipped girl: What she got that I don't?[/QUOTE]To Westcoast,
I been going to AC for over 12 yr and I have about 4 runner most all in the last 2 yr and I have never got a refund not a single peso from the bar yet, only once I got another girl after I go back to the bar and complain, now most Mamasan tell me no refund after I recieve service from the girl even I ask them girl must stay all night,
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1175673]Interesting Opinion piece in todays NY Times on the decline of online message boards. ISG must be going against the trend since the board seems very active to me, but I don't have any numbers to back it up. Then again, maybe it is the same old group who keep posting on the Philippines board at least, with a fresh member popping in every now and again[/QUOTE]Without having read the NYT piece I would suppose that social network sites are replacing much of the communication that previously occurred on message boards. But social network sites have their liabilities, especially that all of a person's friends see the content, so a person's whole life can be on display. Lots of people get themselves in trouble when a prospective employer, current employer, or political enemies find their public trash. The nature of ISG's content is such that most sensible men would never dream of putting this stuff on Facebook or Twitter. But there are some exceptions. One WG once showed me her facebook page, and on it she had three guys as "friends" whose facebook pages made it clear they'd been mongering in the Phils. I pointed out to her that, even though there were no compromising pictures of her on their pages, her being a Filipina "friend" to men whose facebook pages made it clear they'd been mongering in the Phils wasn't going to look good to any of her other friends who weren't aware of her professional pursuits. She got the point and deleted her links to them. Two of the guys were American, one was a Brit.
My point is that ISG probably still thrives because of our need to keep our socially-disapproved activities out of the public eyes of Facebook and Twitter participants.
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1175940]My point is that ISG probably still thrives because of our need to keep our socially-disapproved activities out of the public eyes of Facebook and Twitter participants.[/QUOTE]Good points, Skip;
I learned some valuable lessons years ago when I first started frequenting the Philippines. Back then all of the Filipinas were on that gossip site known as Friendster. It quickly became evident that unless you plan to have one gf and only one for the next many years, then these sites were not such a wise thing to belong to. The routine was always the same. Meet a gal in person on on a dating site and the first thing that she did was to try to add you to her friendster. Once that link was established, then she dug her claws into you and asked endless questions about every other female on your page. Nothing but a machine that feeds the jealous nature of women and Filipinas in particular.
So I stopped using Friendster and Face Book and anything else that reeks of invasion to my privacy. When asked to join someone else's FB I simply reply that I have kids and don't want them exposed to a whole world of creeps. A whole lot less drama these days as a result.
Cheers;
Raz
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1175845]I'm in the "ISG says he's argumentative" sin bin for the next 6 months so am choosing my words with care. LOL.[/QUOTE]I cannot imagine why FF.
I never picked you as an "argumentative type" but I guess we all make mistakes.
Check out the classic Monty Python link if you really want to learn how to "argue"
[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-572077907195969915[/url]
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1175845]Then they wander off into other areas never to be seen again. I'm in the "ISG says he's argumentative" sin bin for the next 6 months so am choosing my words with care. LOL.[/QUOTE]You have been on moderated status for quite some time now. One has to wonder why Jackson would do that to a fine, upstanding senior member such as yourself! :confused:
[QUOTE=Mattrick;1176002]You have been on moderated status for quite some time now. One has to wonder why Jackson would do that to a fine, upstanding senior member such as yourself! :confused:[/QUOTE]I agree with you. But then its fairly obvious that I would. Welcome to the new "agreeable" me. LOL.
Ok I have read about posts on having a hard time of getting girls out. I had a couple girls from Fields in AC that really stayed longer than I would have liked but when I left they left. I recently decided to cut ties with a girl that wasn't a working girl and oh my god was it so damn hard to get her to leave. She was with me for all of 2 or 3 days and we talked online for about 1-2 weeks. But yet somehow she's head over heals in love with me and I have to argue with her to get her to leave and then she's crying when I walk her out of the hotel and it was just not a very desirable experience. Another reason I like my latinas, they will storm out in a fit of rage when I say things aren't working out and I'd like them to leave. I suppose at 18 there is some childish behavior to be expected but that was not very fun for me. She never wanted a dime either, so guys they do exist regardless of what the forum tends to believe. This girl never let me pay for her taxi, when I went to the spa she wanted to sit and wait I had to force her to do it, and I tried to give her 2k to get her on her way quicker but she wasn't having that either. I think it's hard to find a middle road, either they want to prove that they don't want money or they want to bleed you dry.
[QUOTE=RasSpewtin; 1175956]Good points, Skip;
So I stopped using Friendster and Face Book and anything else that reeks of invasion to my privacy. When asked to join someone else's FB I simply reply that I have kids and don't want them exposed to a whole world of creeps. A whole lot less drama these days as a result.
Cheers;
Raz[/QUOTE]Well Friendster has now morphed into something totally different and is now only for "gamers". I thought thats what we were LOL.
Re FB, I think I have found the solution. The best way to see girls pics is obviously through FB.
But the hassle and "who are your friends and why are all they female Filipina / Thai / Indonesian girls" are troublesome questions.
So I have a fb site that has nothing on it. Has a made up name, no details, no friends, but it allows me to add the girls who invite me to see their pics, assess whether they are my type then delete them.
This works great for me. Lets see if Google+ is more monger friendly.
I found an improved solution to the Facebook problem.
Create a blank facebook, fill in the personal info section with some crap, and sign up for one of these social games like Cityville or Farmtown. You can quickly add 100 friends who are playing the game. Upload some photos of yourself and your hometown / home country. Your game "friends" will be posting stuff on your wall, mostly game related. The result is a fairly realistic facebook account that can easily pass as your real facebook account. It has your photos there, a big list of friends with western-sounding names, and a frequently updated wall.
Set your facebook privacy settings so your photo albums can only be viewed by added friends to safeguard them from family/colleagues who might accidentally stumble onto your monger facebook account.
Now you can use this fb account to add your pinay prospects with no worries or concerns.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1176239]Well Friendster has now morphed into something totally different and is now only for "gamers". I thought thats what we were LOL.
Re FB, I think I have found the solution. The best way to see girls pics is obviously through FB.
But the hassle and "who are your friends and why are all they female Filipina / Thai / Indonesian girls" are troublesome questions.
So I have a fb site that has nothing on it. Has a made up name, no details, no friends, but it allows me to add the girls who invite me to see their pics, assess whether they are my type then delete them.
This works great for me. Lets see if Google+ is more monger friendly.[/QUOTE]
[quote=fast buck artist; 1176305]i found an improved solution to the facebook problem.
create a blank facebook, fill in the personal info section with some crap, and sign up for one of these social games like cityville or farmtown. you can quickly add 100 friends who are playing the game. upload some photos of yourself and your hometown / home country. your game "friends" will be posting stuff on your wall, mostly game related. the result is a fairly realistic facebook account that can easily pass as your real facebook account. it has your photos there, a big list of friends with western-sounding names, and a frequently updated wall.
set your facebook privacy settings so your photo albums can only be viewed by added friends to safeguard them from family / colleagues who might accidentally stumble onto your monger facebook account.
now you can use this fb account to add your pinay prospects with no worries or concerns.[/quote]
if she views it, she'll probably know something is wrong. pinays surf facebook furiously and i'm sure she can tell if something's fishy.
those random cityville friends probably won't respond to any of your personal posts. so if you post a status ("getting ready for my big trip to the phils!") , nobody will respond or "like" your status. the same for your photos. all you'd get are game-related posts. this is a dead giveaway that it's either a fake facebook or you truly have no friends.
i have a friend on my facebook with 4, 000 friends. it's flooded with game-related posts. but every time he posts something personal, he only gets 1-2 replies. that spells "loser".
if you do it just to peek at a girl's facebook, fine. but if you use it to communicate and to pretend that it's real, your fake facebook with little/no participation from others will make you look pretty loserish.
however, why don't all of us create fake facebooks and we all agree to participate on each other's pages (in addition to have 100s of random cityville "friends")? that would truly solve the fb "problem".
[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1176342]If she views it, she'll probably know something is wrong. Pinays surf Facebook furiously and I'm sure she can tell if something's fishy.[/QUOTE]You give too much credit to pinays. I know enough who send all kinds of invite, and heck, even they too have fake profiles. Like a girl I know, tagged her colleague as mother, and the DJ in the bar as her father, and her co-dancers as sisters.
Those smart enough to find something fishy would not be busy chatting you up. On Facebook.
Yah, they surf furiously, but for fuck all reasons. Including the bragging rights to have many friends, and send out all kinds of invites (fuck cares if anybody responds or not)
I heard this conversation between to filipina maids here.
Maid 1: you have facebook?
Maid 2: Yes.
Maid 1: how many friends do you have?
Maid 2:40.
Maid 1:40? You must be lonely. I have 1, 500 you know.
And me thinking, if she sends 500 of her friends is in contact, every day. On an average, at 3 minutes for each poke / super poke / invite, it is 500 X 2 = 1, 500 minutes. And last I checked a day had only 1440 minutes.
Their facebook is only if you are the top of their interest, and also if you tag them. Etc. And for fuck all most of them spend their online time tagging.
And vast majority have no freaking clue about why the other guy's friends are hidden. Etc. Or even know there is such a thing called wall. Their responses are very reactive. Tag and get reply, post on THEIR WALL, and they get reply. And all their friends are exposed.
I rest my case.
PS: I friended a girl from ABC hotel and within a day, another person with the same surname is asking to friend me. Guess who? Mama and daughter share their facebook password and when daughter is at work, mama updates the page, and vice-versa. And mama want to friend me. Fuck it. I blocked both of 'them out. And sometimes, even online chat, they delegate the chat to friends, to chat on their behalf. No kidding.
[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1176342]However, why don't all of us create fake Facebooks and we all agree to participate on each other's pages (in addition to have 100s of random Cityville "friends")? That would truly solve the FB "problem".[/QUOTE]Excellent idea! We should add each others mongerbooks and form a little network, posting some comments on each others pages and photos.
Everyone interested: PM me to add my mongerbook.
Pharmacology Trade Names and Generic Names.
In Pharmacology, all drugs have two names, a trade name and generic name. For example, the trade name of Tylenol also has a generic name of Acetaminophen. Aleve is also called Naproxen. Amoxil is also called Amoxicillin and Advil is also called Ibuprofen.
The FDA has been looking for a generic name for Viagra. After careful consideration by a team of government experts, it recently announced that it has settled on the generic name of Mycoxafloppin. Also considered were Mycoxafailin, Mydixadrupin, Mydixarizin, Dixafix, and of course, Ibepokin.
Pfizer Corp. Announced today that Viagra will soon be available in liquid form, and will be marketed by Pepsi Cola as a power beverage suitable for use as a mixer. It will now be possible for a man to literally pour himself a stiff one. Obviously we can no longer call this a soft drink, and it gives new meaning to the names of "cocktails","highballs" and just a good old-fashioned "stiff drink". Pepsi will market the new concoction by the name of: MOUNT & DO.
Thought for the day: There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than on Alzheimer's research. This means that by 2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.
:D
[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1176345]You give too much credit to pinays. I know enough who send all kinds of invite, and heck, even they too have fake profiles. Like a girl I know, tagged her colleague as mother, and the DJ in the bar as her father, and her co-dancers as sisters.
PS: I friended a girl from ABC hotel and within a day, another person with the same surname is asking to friend me. Guess who? Mama and daughter share their facebook password and when daughter is at work, mama updates the page, and vice-versa. And mama want to friend me. Fuck it. I blocked both of 'them out. And sometimes, even online chat, they delegate the chat to friends, to chat on their behalf. No kidding.[/QUOTE]Yup I noticed this too at Lewis, two girls were on same facebook page chatting with a guy. That is why I only will chat with cam. I want to get the info a one girl from ABC hotel, just not sure how to do it. Not for sex purposes but for work I want to get her working for me.
Reports show that foreign business is not eager to invest in the Philippines and be fleeced like so many others. One would think the people carrying out and enabling the fleecings of foreigners would be the ones to blame but it seems that it is the press that is really at fault for reporting "bad news" and "negative stories." Well, at least they're consistent in their message. The wolves are never to blame. If it's not the foreign sheep's fault it must be the fault of the boy yelling wolf and scaring the sheep away.
[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5068251[/url]
Just when you think you've heard it all you run into a new Filipina and she tells you a story that blows your mind! I have been dating this girl recently, and true to form she brings all of her friends along for me to meet and buy a free meal. Well one night she brings a friend along that is so beautiful that I can't believe my eyes. The girl is educated, sweet and very fun and comes from a good family. Of course the conversation with these girls always goes in one of two directions; why my family is so poor or how this guy fucked me over. With this girl I knew her family was very good so I wasn't surprised to hear that some guy fucked her over so badly. The girl is beautiful enough to be a model or movie star. Then she goes on to tell me he was a western guy. And I would be willing to bet he is reading this right now. So here goes.
She was a normal girl in the province, going to college, and she decides to look for a mature, honest and successful guy on line. She meets a great guy from a western country, for over a year they talk and get to know each other, then he finally visits her several times in the course of a couple years. After the proper amount of time her and her family get comfortable with their daughter moving a very long way to get married and start a family. Well she is not in the new country very long before she starts to smell a rat. (we have all heard this story before, but read on it gets way better) The guy works a lot of hours and thinks it is better to go get drunk with his friends every night after work rather than going home to bang his 20 yr old 90 pound, model looking fiance. Now at this point she tells me when he would come to the phils to visit her for months on end, he would always go travelling around the islands. Without her! Strike 1.
Now that she is finally living in his country, the guy has decided that it is time for him to go travelling again. In the Phils, without her! Strike 2. Well you know these Filipina girls are like miniature detectives. She starts digging in his passport and other travel papers before he leaves the country. She discovers this guy has been cutting a path through Asia as wide as the Jap army during world war 2. If you've read about pussy for sale on this forum in any Asian country this guy has visited the country and stayed there for several weeks. How he is spending his time and amusing himself while there we do not know, yet! Keep in mind this is a 20 yr old girl just off the boat from the province, living in an all white country and she has no idea about things like mongering! About this time, the guy is out of the country, she starts to talk to the girls down at work about her future husband being out of the country. She is bored and has no friends other than the girls at work. Well the girls at work start to slowly ask her questions about where he is at and what does he do for so long when he's gone? So the detectives magnifying glass comes out and she starts digging in his computer and old dating sites. Well the guy is keeping contact on these dating sites with 100's of girls all over Asia. She finds pics of him in exotic locations with different girls doing a lot of different things. And I don't mean buying t-shirts! Slowly she is starting to realize the guy was not only visiting the Phils and her, he was going to 2-3 other countries before or after he visited her!
So here is the defining moment. She finds a list with all of these different girls names on it, most of the names so exotic that she can't even pronounce them. She rolls through the list (which takes a long time, because it is a long list) and her name is on the list. At number 2237!
Now when she told me that my mouth almost fell to the floor. But then she says to me with a completely straight face, what could this be a list of and how could there be 2236 before me! I laughed so loud they almost kicked me out of the restaurant. I didn't have the heart or the desire to tell her it has to be a score card. At any rate, when you think you have seen it all there is always someone out there with a crazier story than yours.
If you're curious she confronted him when he returned with all of the evidence. He denied it but it didn't matter. She moved out, kept her job and stayed in the country for several years. She recently returned to Manila and has setup several small businesses with relatives using all of the money she made overseas.
Any one remember the url for the smiley faces?
Thanks,
Slim
[QUOTE=Devils 1;1179876]So here is the defining moment. She finds a list with all of these different girls names on it, most of the names so exotic that she can't even pronounce them. She rolls through the list (which takes a long time, because it is a long list) and her name is on the list. At number 2237![/QUOTE]I know one guy, living about a couple hours away by flight, from where I am living. Who has a score card.
Maybe it is him. But, last I know, he did get married to a pinay.
[QUOTE=Devils 1;1179876]Just when you think you've heard it all you run into a new Filipina and she tells you a story that blows your mind! .[/QUOTE]I can't see the rational of this guy having "imported" this girl back home, apart sort of leaving her "alone" both when he stayed there and when he went mongering in SEA.
At some point I was expecting the story to develop into "sex trade trafficking"
What the hell did he do with over 2000 girls. I mean, it takes 2. 5 years to f* each one at a rate of 2 girls per 24hrs! Accounting he did not seem over active when back home.
And all this what for? Collector?
Reminds me of those (really) perverted collecting thousands and thousands of porn pictures (to say the least) from the web into DVD's: what the hell do they do with all these pictures: keeps on downloading and collecting, probably never watching them!
Anyhow. Each one his own. Interesting story, tho'
I am trying to decide where I should spend a week of mongering this fall. I like to have sex with non (or "semi") pros, which puts the Phils right at the top of my list, based on my last very short experience in Makati. Of course, non pros require time and effort, so I like to mix them in with pros, making a perfect vacation that typically leaves me exhausted and happy at the end.
But there are other places where meeting non pros is easy: the DR, for example. I have lots of experience there, and a non-pro can usually be found within a day or two of arrival (on my last trip, I arrived in Sto Domingo at 3 pm, fucked a girl I picked up at the beach in Boca Chica at 5 pm, picked up my girl from Tagged at 7 pm, and fucked her by 8 pm; I picked up a total non pro in a bar two nights later. In between the two non pros, I fucked by novia twice and 4 more P4P. Good exercise at my age!). I do OK with non-pros in Brazil as well (I even have two non pros I see in Rio, which is NOT easy for pickups). But, after countless trips to the DR and Brazil, I am ready for something new.
I read on this board that Indonesia is great, and Jakarta is now at the top of my list followed by a few days in Manila. But, before I actually pay for the air, I am curious if anyone knows of any place where non pro action is even easier. Peru? Ukraine? Love tours in Medellin? Macau? Prague?
Where is the easiest place in the world to find and conquer non-pros?
Trust me, I have read the f-ing board, and I am very open to suggestions.
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1180370]KingWhat the hell did he do with over 2000 girls. I mean, it takes 2. 5 years to f* each one at a rate of 2 girls per 24hrs! Accounting he did not seem over active when back home.[/QUOTE]Gene Simmons claims to have had 4600!
No idea how he knows he has had this many or how he counted.
[QUOTE=Forest; 1180616]I am trying to decide where I should spend a week of mongering this fall. I like to have sex with non (or "semi") pros, which puts the Phils right at the top of my list, based on my last very short experience in Makati. Of course, non pros require time and effort, so I like to mix them in with pros, making a perfect vacation that typically leaves me exhausted and happy at the end.
But there are other places where meeting non pros is easy: the DR, for example. I have lots of experience there, and a non-pro can usually be found within a day or two of arrival (on my last trip, I arrived in Sto Domingo at 3 pm, fucked a girl I picked up at the beach in Boca Chica at 5 pm, picked up my girl from Tagged at 7 pm, and fucked her by 8 pm; I picked up a total non pro in a bar two nights later. In between the two non pros, I fucked by novia twice and 4 more P4P. Good exercise at my age!). I do OK with non-pros in Brazil as well (I even have two non pros I see in Rio, which is NOT easy for pickups). But, after countless trips to the DR and Brazil, I am ready for something new.
I read on this board that Indonesia is great, and Jakarta is now at the top of my list followed by a few days in Manila. But, before I actually pay for the air, I am curious if anyone knows of any place where non pro action is even easier. Peru? Ukraine? Love tours in Medellin? Macau? Prague?
Where is the easiest place in the world to find and conquer non-pros?
Trust me, I have read the f-ing board, and I am very open to suggestions.[/QUOTE]I think it really depends on you, your looks, your languages spoke. I would think a catholic asian country like Philippines would be best for a blonde white guy. I certainly have not found better in my travels. Haven't done Ukraine, want to but I don't think those women are easily pursuaded they're use to jerks pushing them around. South America would be good if you know spanish, Philippines I think it easiest bet because everyone speaks english and the girls are really laid back there. Latin women you would have to chance your balls being cut off if they found you cheating.
[QUOTE=Devils 1;1179876]If you're curious she confronted him when he returned with all of the evidence. He denied it but it didn't matter. She moved out, kept her job and stayed in the country for several years. She recently returned to Manila and has setup several small businesses with relatives using all of the money she made overseas.[/QUOTE]Don't need to requote it all. I dated a girl with almost the opposite experience. To me much sicker. She put spyware on her husbands computer to see what he was doing and found that he was constantly looking at gay porn. She divorced him and stayed here. Personally I think a girl losing a guy to another guy is worse than to women. Kind of odd that the guy would get married if he had all those women, seems kind of stupid to me.
[QUOTE=Forest; 1180616]I am trying to decide where I should spend a week of mongering this fall. I like to have sex with non (or "semi") pros, which puts the Phils right at the top of my list, based on my last very short experience in Makati. Of course, non pros require time and effort, so I like to mix them in with pros, making a perfect vacation that typically leaves me exhausted and happy at the end.
If there is one place I can recommend to you for pro and non-pro action it is the Philippines! Of course it depends what your preference is but if you like the LBFM you will truly enjoy the experience over there! Just start working on Tagged and DIA four weeks before arrival and you will be amazed what the yield on both categories will be! At the end the problem will be to keep a manageable schedule! Have fun and throw in a couple of good reports!
I got this message today on Cherry Blossoms from a woman in Cebu, about 30 yo.
[quote]Hello, TO YOU. JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I LIKE YOU VERY MUCH BECAUSE I LIKE MANY TIMES TO HAVE SEX.[/quote]Never met her, or message with her before.
Has anyone else got a similar message in the past few days?
G
Lots of scammers on CB so I dropped my membership with them.
[QUOTE=Gangles; 1185699]I got this message today on Cherry Blossoms from a woman in Cebu, about 30 yo.
Never met her, or message with her before.
Has anyone else got a similar message in the past few days?
G[/QUOTE]
Never been to DR or East Europe (except Prague) or Africa but have been to Europe, Australia, SE and NW Asia, Carribean, South and Central America and have to agree that PI is the best place for the reasons Madison cited. I plan on retiring and raising a family there.
[QUOTE=Madisonguy;1181132]I think it really depends on you, your looks, your languages spoke. I would think a catholic asian country like Philippines would be best for a blonde white guy. I certainly have not found better in my travels. Haven't done Ukraine, want to but I don't think those women are easily pursuaded they're use to jerks pushing them around. South America would be good if you know spanish, Philippines I think it easiest bet because everyone speaks english and the girls are really laid back there. Latin women you would have to chance your balls being cut off if they found you cheating.[/QUOTE]