American Politics

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2583444]There were what, 60 baseless court cases that collectively were shot down?

TrumpShit lawyers didn't waste their time. It brought in millions of dollars in contributions from their sucker supporters.

There has not been any voter fraud found.

Over 74,000 mail-in ballots are currently being identified as needing more scrutiny.

These ballots all have names and addresses, but none of those +74,000 voters have said their votes were changed, miscounted, or cast without their actually voting.

Those Cyber have been jerking off on these ballots for what. Three, four months.[/QUOTE]The only verifiable voter fraud in the 2020 election was when Donald Trump told his supporters they "should vote twice!" and 2-3 other Repubs who voted on behalf and in place of their dead Repub parents.

I think it is entirely plausible that hundreds of thousands of Trump's slavishly obedient supporters did indeed follow his directive to "vote twice!" Which would explain why he got as many votes as he did this time around (but still not enough to win) and why his Repub Party gained a few seats in the House.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2583403]It killed people.[/QUOTE]No, it didn't.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2583408]Are you really saying that the orange buffoon didn't take money out of the military budget for the wall? Of course, you don't think 'The Military Times' is a real news outlet, do you? [URL]https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/06/26/appeals-court-trump-wrongly-diverted-25-billion-in-milcon-funds-for-border-wall/[/URL].[/QUOTE]President Trump hugely increased military budget and fixed the VA, then took a portion of his increase to put toward a vital national security project: the wall to keep out illegal invaders and security threats. National security is the main purpose of the military. But regardless, even without the wall money, the military is still well ahead thanks to Trump.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2583434]The judges sentencing those who were only " shouting and pushing" are not amused. [/QUOTE]Actually, the guy who was just sentenced wasn't even shown to be shouting or pushing. He was just recorded standing in the Capitol holding a flag.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2583249]Everyone knows there was debate and compromise. End result: the compromise was agreed upon. Want to change it? Good luck.[/QUOTE]The modern left don't just hate the voting system: they hate the anthem, the flag, the constitution (they want to destroy the First Amendment in order to throw people into gulags for hate speech / thoughtcrime, and of course their intention to destroy the Second Amendment is well-known), and indeed the heritage American population.

In a nutshell, they hate America. So why not let them create their own country, with the rainbow flag, yakkety-sax anthem, no free speech, no guns, open borders unlimited third world immigration, unlimited gibsmedats, affirmative action, 100% vegan food, "green" energy, and see how they get on. Meanwhile, we will keep America in the heartland with our traditional liberties and population: the one that existed for most of the 20th Century when America was at its greatest. Pretty sure I know which will prosper and which will fail.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2583549]The only verifiable voter fraud in the 2020 election was when Donald Trump told his supporters they "should vote twice!" and 2-3 other Repubs who voted on behalf and in place of their dead Repub parents.

I think it is entirely plausible that hundreds of thousands of Trump's slavishly obedient supporters did indeed follow his directive to "vote twice!" Which would explain why he got as many votes as he did this time around (but still not enough to win) and why his Repub Party gained a few seats in the House.[/QUOTE]If that was the case then the democrats would be pushing for voter ID to stop voter fraud but that is not the case. They are doing everything in their power even leaving the state to mss as he sure they can continue to cheat in the future. Republicans aren't cheaters but the democrats proved they are.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2583466]What "everyone knows" is a completely different point than how, why, by whom and for whom the Electoral College system was set up. "debate and compromise" might sounds like a noble endeavor in this regard as long as you ignore the detail that many natural born USA citizens at the time, particularly those most likely adversely effected by it, only had 3/5 of a vote and I doubt they had a major input on that "debate and compromise", if any at all.

You don't need to change it to eliminate the intrinsic anti-democratic cheating aspect of it. You can just replace it with something else, as many states have already done:

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact[/URL]


The fact that inarguably the 2 worst presidents of all time who produced the worst results across the board on every important issue, George W. Bush and Donald J. Trump, were inflicted on the country after having lost the vote but still squeaked through on a razor thin Electoral College "win" gives immeasurable strength and legitimacy to the ongoing movement to override the Electoral College system.[/QUOTE]Electrical college did produce the two worse presidents in history. Carter and Obama. Carter ruined the economy. Obama promoted racism and tried to destroy USA. Unfortunately the electoral college got Biden elected who already is proving to be the worst president ever. Can you believe that Biden is actually worse than Obama? In 6 months USA is in serious decline. Crime is out of control, drugs are pouring into USA, human trafficking at its highest level, small businesses crushed by govt policies to benefit big companies, high gas prices, record inflation. Getting back in Paris Accord. Biden is a wreck and if you heard him talk on CNN on his town hall this week you know he can't put a sentence together if it isn't on prompter.

Even democrats are starting to want Trump back. History will prove that Trump was one of the better presidents in history. Without a doubt Biden will be the worse.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2583450]...Kkkk! Falling out my chair laughing. Obviously, they've forgotten how to count, past 20 with their clothes on.

But true to form, like right-wing failures, let's just double-down in other states.[/QUOTE]They don't get over 26 even with their clothes off. Two ears, one nose, one undersized wee-wee and two shriveled cojones.

Oh, wait. 27 if they count the beer gut.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2583623]They don't get over 26 even with their clothes off. Two ears, one nose, one undersized wee-wee and two shriveled cojones.

Oh, wait. 27 if they count the beer gut.[/QUOTE]Imagine a leftist soyboy criticising the physicality of right-wing men.

[URL]https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fitness/strong-men-more-likely-to-have-right-wing-views-study-reveals/news-story/7717e27c386b2d310c4452ff804c006d[/URL]

"MEN with strong upper body strength are more likely to vote conservatively while physically weaker males have a greater tendency towards left-leaning views."

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jan/31/hunky-tory-attractive-people-more-likely-to-be-rightwing-study-finds[/URL]

"It is a finding unlikely to prove popular with Guardian readers, but a study has concluded that attractive people are more likely to be rightwing. "

Another L for you, I'm afraid.

[QUOTE=Canada;2583612]If that was the case then the democrats would be pushing for voter ID to stop voter fraud but that is not the case.[/QUOTE]Indeed. No serious argument can be made against ID for the most important act in a democracy (voting) given that it is required for almost all the most basic tasks in modern life, and that free IDs can be obtained for the tiny number of people who don't already have one.

Nobody can improve on the following voter system: 1. Register to vote with ID proving that you are a citizen. 2. Show up at the polling booth on election day. 3. Show ID to prove you are who you claim to be, and to maintain election integrity. 4. Vote in secret in a private booth on a paper ballot with no identifying marks showing who it came from .5. At the end of the day, all votes are collected and counted in batches by hand by teams of two counters (1 R, 1 D) who must both sign off on the result of their batch. Monitors from all parties are permitted to walk freely around the count at all times and scrutinize any disputed ballots.

Most countries around the world conduct elections as above. No need whatsoever for dubious "mail-in" ballots, machine-counting, transmitting data round the world with wacky algorithms, Republican observers being barred from counts in democrat ghettos. All of these and more are simply camouflage for fraud. For obvious reasons, no leftist can explain why most other democracies conduct elections as I described, and yet why America should not.

[QUOTE=Canada;2583616]Electrical college did produce the two worse presidents in history. Carter and Obama. Carter ruined the economy. Obama promoted racism and tried to destroy USA. Unfortunately the electoral college got Biden elected who already is proving to be the worst president ever. Can you believe that Biden is actually worse than Obama? In 6 months USA is in serious decline. Crime is out of control, drugs are pouring into USA, human trafficking at its highest level, small businesses crushed by govt policies to benefit big companies, high gas prices, record inflation. Getting back in Paris Accord. Biden is a wreck and if you heard him talk on CNN on his town hall this week you know he can't put a sentence together if it isn't on prompter.

Even democrats are starting to want Trump back. History will prove that Trump was one of the better presidents in history. Without a doubt Biden will be the worse.[/QUOTE]Carter and Obama's average annual USA jobs creation and GDP growth rate slaughtered those of Trump.

Oh, and neither of them made idiotic, self-serving economic decisions against all expert advice that led directly to the near collapse of the USA economy, millions of USA jobs destroyed, a huge Bear Market Crash, the probable hobbling of international travel and mongering for decades, the death of 610,000+ Americans as well as hundreds of thousands more around the world and still counting.

But Trump did.

George W. Bush's record on those counts was the worst in history until Trump lost the vote but still squeaked through on a razor-thin EC award, as did GW Bush.

And then there was that unprecedented thingy Trump did when he spent 5 years inciting and marching his MAGA cult followers into an America-hating, cop-killing Insurrection and attempt to overthrow American democracy and overturn a free and fair American election.

I'm going to judge jjust that last part as far worse than Carter "lusting in his heart", Obama wearing a tan suit and Biden missing his "70%" 4th of July vaccination goal by 3 percentage points.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2583691]Indeed. No serious argument can be made against ID for the most important act in a democracy (voting) given that it is required for almost all the most basic tasks in modern life, and that free IDs can be obtained for the tiny number of people who don't already have one.

Nobody can improve on the following voter system: 1. Register to vote with ID proving that you are a citizen. 2. Show up at the polling booth on election day. 3. Show ID to prove you are who you claim to be, and to maintain election integrity. 4. Vote in secret in a private booth on a paper ballot with no identifying marks showing who it came from .5. At the end of the day, all votes are collected and counted in batches by hand by teams of two counters (1 R, 1 D) who must both sign off on the result of their batch. Monitors from all parties are permitted to walk freely around the count at all times and scrutinize any disputed ballots.

Most countries around the world conduct elections as above. No need whatsoever for dubious "mail-in" ballots, machine-counting, transmitting data round the world with wacky algorithms, Republican observers being barred from counts in democrat ghettos. All of these and more are simply camouflage for fraud. For obvious reasons, no leftist can explain why most other democracies conduct elections as I described, and yet why America should not.[/QUOTE]LOL. Trump and most of the Trump family have voted but probably never according to your ideal 1-5 steps.

BTW, the current voter suppression push by Repubs targeting likely Dem voters is barely about the issue of Voter I.D.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2583683]Imagine a leftist soyboy criticising the physicality of right-wing men.

[URL]https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fitness/strong-men-more-likely-to-have-right-wing-views-study-reveals/news-story/7717e27c386b2d310c4452ff804c006d[/URL]

"MEN with strong upper body strength are more likely to vote conservatively while physically weaker males have a greater tendency towards left-leaning views."

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jan/31/hunky-tory-attractive-people-more-likely-to-be-rightwing-study-finds[/URL]

"It is a finding unlikely to prove popular with Guardian readers, but a study has concluded that attractive people are more likely to be rightwing. "

Another L for you, I'm afraid.[/QUOTE]My post was about counting and the inability for the right to count higher than the mid-twenties.

You go completely off topic, though, and discuss something else completely which proves that conservatives can't read either.

Gee, you can't count, you can't read and, unless the orange buffoon tells you what to think, you can't do that either.

Big whoop, rightwingnuts are attractive jocks who can't count, read or think.

No wonder that you don't believe in science, math, literature, philosophy, medicine, dentistry or, really, any intellectual pursuits. But yea team, you sure can throw a football or dunk a basketball. Brilliant. Just brilliant.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2583683]Imagine a leftist soyboy criticising the physicality of right-wing men.

[URL]https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fitness/strong-men-more-likely-to-have-right-wing-views-study-reveals/news-story/7717e27c386b2d310c4452ff804c006d[/URL]

"MEN with strong upper body strength are more likely to vote conservatively while physically weaker males have a greater tendency towards left-leaning views."

[/QUOTE]Don't know about leftist soyboys, but I'd never dare criticize the enviable physic of Trump's supporters.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2583732]My post was about counting and the inability for the right to count higher than the mid-twenties.

You go completely off topic, though, and discuss something else completely which proves that conservatives can't read either.

Gee, you can't count, you can't read and, unless the orange buffoon tells you what to think, you can't do that either.

Big whoop, rightwingnuts are attractive jocks who can't count, read or think.

No wonder that you don't believe in science[/QUOTE]Perhaps you forgot (again) but your original post talked about "beerguts" and "shrivelled cojones", whereas in reality Trump supporters are generally strong, fit, healthy, attractive chads who get a ton of pussy. Male democrat voters, by contrast, are the opposite. If they can even be classified as "male" given their extremely low T-levels. See the Chad / virgin meme.

As for science! At least my side can define a woman.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2583706]And then there was that unprecedented thingy Trump did when he spent 5 years inciting and marching his MAGA cult followers into an America-hating, cop-killing Insurrection.[/QUOTE]Imagine a modern leftist, who openly hates and wants to erase America's flag, anthem, constitution, history and heritage population, calling someone else "America-hating".

As for "cop-killing", nope, even the fake news media was forced to retract the Sicknick story. It is antifa / BLM rioters who kill cops, such as David Dorn. That's probably one of the reason most Americans want an investigation into the antifa / BLM riots, looting and violence of the past year, not the Jan 6 protest.

And "insurrections" leave hundreds, perhaps thousands dead, and cities in ruins. Not zero police / legislative casualties and a couple of broken windows.

P.S. Protip: whenever you start defending Carter, people just assume it's satire.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2583755]Perhaps you forgot (again) but your original post talked about "beerguts" and "shrivelled cojones", whereas in reality Trump supporters are generally strong, fit, healthy, attractive chads who get a ton of pussy. Male democrat voters, by contrast, are the opposite. If they can even be classified as "male" given their extremely low T-levels. See the Chad / virgin meme.

As for science! At least my side can define a woman.[/QUOTE]No, my original post was about trumpets' inability to count to the mid-twenties.

You, of course, couldn't read for comprehension and answered with a post about "attractiveness" and "strong upper body strength".

And my earlier statement still stands. Rightwingers generally ignore science, medicine, dentistry, engineering and other pursuits that require actual brainpower. But you're good at slogans, flags, red hats, camo and costumes and those pursuits that require yelling and slavish adherence to fascism (trumpism).

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2583782]No, my original post was about trumpets' inability to count to the mid-twenties.

You, of course, couldn't read for comprehension and answered with a post about "attractiveness" and "strong upper body strength".

And my earlier statement still stands. Rightwingers generally ignore science, medicine, dentistry, engineering and other pursuits that require actual brainpower. But you're good at slogans, flags, red hats, camo and costumes and those pursuits that require yelling and slavish adherence to fascism (trumpism).[/QUOTE]Did you or did you not write about "beerguts" and "shrivelled cojones"in the original post? Those are physical characteristics. You may think you can lie like your heroes Biden, Pelosi, Barack Hussein et al because the media never calls them out on it, but people notice all the same.

Plenty of rightwingers in science, medicine, dentistry and engineering, myself among them. The reason most people who have been to university vote democrat is the vast number of worthless Marxist arts / humanities courses which a chimpanzee could pass, and which pump out 99% brainwashed communists. For those with a proper hard science degree which involved high IQ and a lot of work, the numbers are very different.

On the subject of science, can your side define a woman? For us on the side of sanity, the scientifically sound definition is "adult human female". Over to you.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2583756]
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P.S. Protip: whenever you start defending Carter, people just assume it's satire.[/QUOTE]Oh, if that's the case then it would have been very easy for you to refute my assertion and site where and how Carter's average annual USA jobs creation and GDP growth rate did not slaughter those of Trump and George W. Bush.

Why didn't you?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2583831]Did you or did you not write about "beerguts" and "shrivelled cojones"in the original post? Those are physical characteristics. You may think you can lie like your heroes Biden, Pelosi, Barack Hussein et al because the media never calls them out on it, but people notice all the same.

Plenty of rightwingers in science, medicine, dentistry and engineering, myself among them. The reason most people who have been to university vote democrat is the vast number of worthless Marxist arts / humanities courses which a chimpanzee could pass, and which pump out 99% brainwashed communists. For those with a proper hard science degree which involved high IQ and a lot of work, the numbers are very different.

On the subject of science, can your side define a woman? For us on the side of sanity, the scientifically sound definition is "adult human female". Over to you.[/QUOTE]You still don't understand because you can't count, read or think. But you're a trumpet so that's a given. Anybody who thinks that trump is smart is a fool.

That's why the majority of rightwingnuts won't get vaccinated because they "believe in science". Right. If you are in medicine, why are rightwingnuts so intent on killing themselves? Stupidity is the only answer. Because if the orange buffoon did a PSA and said "Get vaccinated. Vaccines are safe because I developed them", every rightwingnut in existence would get vaccinated. Stupid? Yep.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2583782]No, my original post was about trumpets' inability to count to the mid-twenties.

You, of course, couldn't read for comprehension and answered with a post about "attractiveness" and "strong upper body strength".

And my earlier statement still stands. Rightwingers generally ignore science, medicine, dentistry, engineering and other pursuits that require actual brainpower. But you're good at slogans, flags, red hats, camo and costumes and those pursuits that require yelling and slavish adherence to fascism (trumpism).[/QUOTE]I guess your meaning of ignoring the science is the democrats who ran from Texas and flew on charters jets to DC without masks and without social distancing and then celebrated with house democrats and created a super spreader of the Covid virus. 7 Texas democrats testing positive and unknown democrats in the house which White House refuses to disclose numbers. Democrats tour following the science for the public but they are exempt because they are important.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2583782]No, my original post was about trumpets' inability to count to the mid-twenties.

You, of course, couldn't read for comprehension and answered with a post about "attractiveness" and "strong upper body strength".

And my earlier statement still stands. Rightwingers generally ignore science, medicine, dentistry, engineering and other pursuits that require actual brainpower. But you're good at slogans, flags, red hats, camo and costumes and those pursuits that require yelling and slavish adherence to fascism (trumpism).[/QUOTE]I worked with engineers for 40 years and I never ever met a democrat engineer. All Republicans. Engineers have to have common sense so that makes democrats ineligible for the degree. Most engineers are hard working which is not a democrat trait so obviously there are no democrat engineers.

But I will agree with you on one thing. We love the American flag and love USA making us Republicans not democrats.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2583717]LOL. Trump and most of the Trump family have voted but probably never according to your ideal 1-5 steps.

BTW, the current voter suppression push by Repubs targeting likely Dem voters is barely about the issue of Voter I.D.[/QUOTE]If it isn't about voter ID what is it about. All I hear from the democrats is voter ID.

This article shows just how bonkers Republicans are. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/parson-claim-missouri-news-media-100000358.html[/URL].

Essentially, the Republican governor of Missouri is blasting local newspapers for reporting on the Missouri COVID surge and backing up their reporting by citing Missouri government data. In other words, don't use our data to tell the truth because we use our data to lie.

Another example of Republican hypocrisy.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2583623]They don't get over 26 even with their clothes off. Two ears, one nose, one undersized wee-wee and two shriveled cojones.

Oh, wait. 27 if they count the beer gut.[/QUOTE]Real good post from a loser that never had a business or hired hundreds of employees. Republicans can count their millions in the bank quite easily. Don't worry about us. We can easily count to tens of millions of dollars every day. Democrats can deposit their government subsistence checks.

[QUOTE=Canada;2583951]I guess your meaning of ignoring the science is the democrats who ran from Texas and flew on charters jets to DC without masks and without social distancing and then celebrated with house democrats and created a super spreader of the Covid virus. 7 Texas democrats testing positive and unknown democrats in the house which White House refuses to disclose numbers. Democrats tour following the science for the public but they are exempt because they are important.[/QUOTE]All of the Texas Democrats were [B]fully vaccinated[/B]. Breakthrough infections happen. I guess Fux "news" doesn't report that. Or maybe you believe that trump created bad vaccines?

[QUOTE=Canada;2583971]Real good post from a loser that never had a business or hired hundreds of employees. Republicans can count their millions in the bank quite easily. Don't worry about us. We can easily count to tens of millions of dollars every day. Democrats can deposit their government subsistence checks.[/QUOTE]Actually, you can't count because you ignore every bit of evidence that proves "trickle down economics" does not work.

This has been proven to you multiple times but somehow you can't count while wearing mittens.

An Arizona state senator was slammed for saying she likes Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson but she doesn't like "traitors who hate America". [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/arizona-state-senator-schooled-saying-173302099.html[/URL].

Yes, folks, this is what passes for logic from the Republican party. They are, apparently, so focused on "wokeness", BLM, antifa, CRT and a stolen election that they have forgotten (or simply never knew in the first place) that Robert E. Lee, Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson were [B]traitors who fought against[/B] the US. Or, more likely, this woman truly believes that the Confederacy was right.

I can't wait for some to twist themselves into pretzels defending this wingnut.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584002]Actually, you can't count because you ignore every bit of evidence that proves "trickle down economics" does not work.

This has been proven to you multiple times but somehow you can't count while wearing mittens.[/QUOTE]It worked under Trump presidency. More people were working in USA than ever before. Unemployment numbers were at their lowest for women, blacks, Hispanics and everyone. Wages were up for every American and taxes were fair for all workers. Biden will destroy this by keeping people on unemployment.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584000]All of the Texas Democrats were [B]fully vaccinated[/B]. Breakthrough infections happen. I guess Fux "news" doesn't report that. Or maybe you believe that trump created bad vaccines?[/QUOTE]Democrats say follow the science. Just because you are vaccinated doesn't mean you can be reckless. All Americans still have to wear masks on flights. The Texas democrats didn't and we're a super spreader. Just because you are a democrat senator does not exempt you from the science. At their reckless reception in DC some of congress staffers were not vaccinated and now they have a super spreader.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2583970]This article shows just how bonkers Republicans are. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/parson-claim-missouri-news-media-100000358.html[/URL].

Essentially, the Republican governor of Missouri is blasting local newspapers for reporting on the Missouri COVID surge and backing up their reporting by citing Missouri government data. In other words, don't use our data to tell the truth because we use our data to lie.

Another example of Republican hypocrisy.[/QUOTE]Another example of Democrat hypocrisy. No masks on flight. Super spreader of Covid.

[QUOTE=Canada;2583968]If it isn't about voter ID what is it about. All I hear from the democrats is voter ID.[/QUOTE]If all you hear from Dems is about Voter ID, which isn't nearly as big a problem with Dems as Repubs like to think, then you must only be hearing from specially screened Dems suitable to Rupert Murdoch.

There are all kinds of ways the GQP has and continues to prevent, discourage and make it more difficult for predictably large Dem demographics from voting:

[URL]https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/09/29/stacking-the-deck-how-the-gop-works-to-suppress-minority-voting/[/URL]

And the new Repub State Legislature laws allow for partisan QAnon Repub vote tabulators to decide if they like the outcome of the election enough to let the votes be counted and recorded at all.

Why don't Repubs just promote and pass some successful legislation that the American people like because they produce something OTHER than Great Repub Crashes, Depressions, Recessions, Massive USA jobs losses, death and destruction every once in a while and then maybe they can win some free and fair elections without resorting to so much cheating?

[B]Here Are The Ways Republicans Are Trying To Restrict Voting Access[/B]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/03/10/here-are-the-ways-republicans-are-trying-to-restrict-voting-access/?sh=57c9d3523eed[/URL]

Yes, some of that crap is Voter ID-"related." But it isn't that the more likely Dem voter does not have an ID. He HAS an ID alright. It's just that the new Repub law now requires him to have one a Repub is more likely to have and not one a Dem is more likely to have.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2583876]You still don't understand because you can't count, read or think. But you're a trumpet so that's a given. Anybody who thinks that trump is smart is a fool.

That's why the majority of rightwingnuts won't get vaccinated because they "believe in science". Right. If you are in medicine, why are rightwingnuts so intent on killing themselves?[/QUOTE]You didn't answer my question, so I will answer it for you. Yes, you talked about physical characteristics in your original post. Not sure why you are attempting to lie and pretend you did not when the evidence is right there, but that's leftists for you.

Regarding the gene therapy "vaccine" and science! The science and statistics tell us that certain groups are vulnerable to the virus: the elderly, the obese, and those with serous existing health conditions. By contrast, for fit and healthy people under 50 it is little different to the flu. In incredibly rare cases people under 50 die of the flu, but it is about as likely as being struck by lightning or drowning.

The vaccines, however, have complications. For example, the astrazeneca has been linked to blood clots and the Pfizer to myocarditis. The risks are higher for younger people. Some of them have been pulled from use in certain countries due to these issues. See the VAERS list. And we know that the media (fake and social) are actively suppressing all news of negative complications.

Of course the majority of people who take the shots will not suffer from any of these, but intelligent, fit, healthy people under 50 are making a sensible calculation: why take the risk of a vaccine complication when the virus presents virtually zero risk? Furthermore, as we know from the doofus anti-democracy Texas democrats, even vaccinated people can get the virus anyway. So they now have double the risk: both the virus, and vaccine complications. More fool them.

We need to learn to live with this virus. Protect and vaccinate the vulnerable, and let the healthy young / middle-aged people get back to work.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584002]Actually, you can't count because you ignore every bit of evidence that proves "trickle down economics" does not work.

This has been proven to you multiple times but somehow you can't count while wearing mittens.[/QUOTE]This debate was settled during the Cold War. The communists had most of the world under their control in the 1950's. That was their chance to prove that their system worked and that capitalism was a failure. Instead, what happened was that communism was a bloody, tyrannical disaster everywhere it was tried, full of gulags, propaganda and secret police torture chambers, and its people all wanted to escape to capitalist societies, most particularly the USA because of our guaranteed constitutional freedoms (the same freedoms that the modern day communist democrats are trying to destroy).

[QUOTE=Canada;2583951]I guess your meaning of ignoring the science is the democrats who ran from Texas and flew on charters jets to DC without masks and without social distancing and then celebrated with house democrats and created a super spreader of the Covid virus. 7 Texas democrats testing positive and unknown democrats in the house which White House refuses to disclose numbers. Democrats tour following the science for the public but they are exempt because they are important.[/QUOTE]Absolutely true. The democrat leadership want to enforce endless annoying and stupid rules on the little people, but ignore them for themselves. They view themselves like the Soviet politburo, who had special road lanes for their limousines, special schools for their kids, and special dachas for themselves. All state-funded of course.

[QUOTE=Canada;2583967]I worked with engineers for 40 years and I never ever met a democrat engineer. All Republicans. Engineers have to have common sense so that makes democrats ineligible for the degree. Most engineers are hard working which is not a democrat trait so obviously there are no democrat engineers.

But I will agree with you on one thing. We love the American flag and love USA making us Republicans not democrats.[/QUOTE]Engineers cannot ignore reality. If some Gender Studies graduate says a tranny is a woman, everyone just thinks they are crazy. If an engineer decides to "define" steel as concrete and build a bridge according to "his truth" as opposed to empirical reality. The bridge will collapse and people will die. Engineers and other scientists are not part of the world of fake news and marxist dogma, which is why we are predominantly right-wing republicans.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584000]All of the Texas Democrats were [B]fully vaccinated[/B]. Breakthrough infections happen. I guess Fux "news" doesn't report that. Or maybe you believe that trump created bad vaccines?[/QUOTE]Bottom line is everyone vaccinated and not vaccinated have to wear masks on airplanes. They did not as their own photos prove. They also went to a reception with Pelosi and staffers who are not vaccinated. They did not wear masks their also as their social media posts prove. These democrats don't believe in the science and don't believe they have to follow the rules like you and Zi have to. This wasn't fabricated by Fox or Trump. They posted their photos proving this on their own social media. No denying it. Now you can believe this never happened and deny it happened because you did not see it on fake news CNN but it is true and it happened but here you are supporting them because they are cowards who fled Texas.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584002]Actually, you can't count because you ignore every bit of evidence that proves "trickle down economics" does not work.

This has been proven to you multiple times but somehow you can't count while wearing mittens.[/QUOTE]I have seen it for myself and so have you. Trickle down economics works. My Hispanic yard maintenance guy hired 50% more people and bought new equipment under Trump economics. My pool guy started a new company and started building pools. New houses were being built and all contractors had 3 month to 9 month backlogs. New restaurants and small businesses were flourishing. Unemployment for every race was down in USA under Trump. More people got off welfare under Trump. Unfortunately under Biden this is reversed. Now under Biden small businesses are closing mostly in democratic states where democrat governors shut down restaurants and small businesses allowing large corporations like Amazon, Costco, Home Depot and Walmart to take all the business away from small mom and pop operations. You saw it and you ignore it the same way you ignore the border crises and rising crime. Trickle down economics worked under Trump. Our border was secure under Trump but you are not intelligent enough to see that. You cannot see anything other than the fake news of CNN and China and Putin puppet Biden.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2584271][B]Here Are The Ways Republicans Are Trying To Restrict Voting Access[/B]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/03/10/here-are-the-ways-republicans-are-trying-to-restrict-voting-access/?sh=57c9d3523eed[/URL]

Yes, some of that crap is Voter ID-"related." But it isn't that the more likely Dem voter does not have an ID. He HAS an ID alright. It's just that the new Repub law now requires him to have one a Repub is more likely to have and not one a Dem is more likely to have.[/QUOTE]I have tried posting this before. Perhaps it will go through this time.

Studies have shown that between 6% and 16% of eligible American voters [B]do not have an ID that is valid for voting[/B]. Not that this will mean anything to Republicans, unless, of course, those without a valid ID are likely to vote Republican. [URL]https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/debunking-misinformation-photo-id[/URL].

Given that some Republicans have made public comments about loving Confederate generals, it wouldn't surprise me if many Republican states will pass laws restricting voting to white, straight, male property owners.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2583591]No, it didn't.[/QUOTE]That says it all. You live in another reality. Reborn Christian or something like that. No difference between the living and the dead? Just the saved and the doomed. Waiting for the rapture? Or where Trump supporters anticipating the rapture on January 6? Could be.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2583876]You still don't understand because you can't count, read or think. But you're a trumpet so that's a given. Anybody who thinks that trump is smart is a fool.

That's why the majority of rightwingnuts won't get vaccinated because they "believe in science". Right. If you are in medicine, why are rightwingnuts so intent on killing themselves? Stupidity is the only answer. Because if the orange buffoon did a PSA and said "Get vaccinated. Vaccines are safe because I developed them", every rightwingnut in existence would get vaccinated. Stupid? Yep.[/QUOTE]Pelosi is not not mandating vaccines for White House staffers. Most White House staffers are democrats and they are not vaccinated. That is why the Texas traitors got Covid. Why don't these democratic staffers believe in getting vaccinated? Maybe it just so happens that there are Republicans and Democrats that do not believe in getting vaccinated. But the democrat fools want to blame everything on Republicans even when it is the democrats not following the science.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2584271][B]Here Are The Ways Republicans Are Trying To Restrict Voting Access[/B]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/03/10/here-are-the-ways-republicans-are-trying-to-restrict-voting-access/?sh=57c9d3523eed[/URL]

Yes, some of that crap is Voter ID-"related." But it isn't that the more likely Dem voter does not have an ID. He HAS an ID alright. It's just that the new Repub law now requires him to have one a Repub is more likely to have and not one a Dem is more likely to have.[/QUOTE]Please show me the clause in the Constitution that requires any ID whatsoever to vote.

[QUOTE=Canada;2583971]Real good post from a loser that never had a business or hired hundreds of employees. Republicans can count their millions in the bank quite easily. Don't worry about us. We can easily count to tens of millions of dollars every day. Democrats can deposit their government subsistence checks.[/QUOTE]One more frustrated potential millionaire who'd rather believe in the Tooth Fairy than government that is proven to "promote the general welfare" of it's citizens.

[QUOTE=Canada;2583951]I guess your meaning of ignoring the science is the democrats who ran from Texas and flew on charters jets to DC without masks and without social distancing and then celebrated with house democrats and created a super spreader of the Covid virus. 7 Texas democrats testing positive and unknown democrats in the house which White House refuses to disclose numbers. Democrats tour following the science for the public but they are exempt because they are important.[/QUOTE]One person infected isn't a "superspreader event". The silver lining of all this is that 98% of those dying are anti-vaxxers (Trumpists). As hard as McConnell and McCarthy are trying to restrict voter access, the real voter suppression is how many Trumpists won't be voting because they died because they were unvaccinated. THAT is some serious gallows humor, there.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2584336]One person infected isn't a "superspreader event". The silver lining of all this is that 98% of those dying are anti-vaxxers (Trumpists). As hard as McConnell and McCarthy are trying to restrict voter access, the real voter suppression is how many Trumpists won't be voting because they died because they were unvaccinated. THAT is some serious gallows humor, there.[/QUOTE]Learn to count. There was more than one infected as 7 from Texas were infected plus an undisclosed amount of democrat staffers were infected. White House refused to give numbers to press because it was excessive.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2584335]One more frustrated potential millionaire who'd rather believe in the Tooth Fairy than government that is proven to "promote the general welfare" of it's citizens.[/QUOTE]Republicans promote the general welfare of its citizens. Democrats put its citizens in welfare. Democrats call all successfully citizens racist. Democrats hate American prosperity just like they hate the flag and anthem. They demonize anyone that works hard and is successful as privileged. They blame their laziness on Republicans who work hard. That is why they hate capitalism and want socialism. They want to not work and have the same prosperity as hard working Americans. I agree life is unfair. If you are a lazy democrat you do not make millions.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584188]Another example of Democrat hypocrisy. No masks on flight. Super spreader of Covid.[/QUOTE]Just what does this inane comment have to do with Missouri? You can't read for compression.

Chrispy Critter is constantly being reminded of well documented facts, but continues to spew foam like a rabid animal. Dude! You may think this country has but one religion, and in a sense, you are correct, but it's Kkkapitalism, not Kkkhristianity. Dems and Repugnicant, so called leaders are both the elites that grift the nation to send their spawn to private schools and live in walled up dachas. It's the same, wherever resources are available for the taking. Mega donors and political action groups fund both sides simultaneously. Both sides pretend to care about the population, the left, a bit more than the right. The left are fools, the right, crazy and unrepentant.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2584284]You didn't answer my question, so I will answer it for you. Yes, you talked about physical characteristics in your original post. Not sure why you are attempting to lie and pretend you did not when the evidence is right there, but that's leftists for you.

Regarding the gene therapy "vaccine" and science! The science and statistics tell us that certain groups are vulnerable to the virus: the elderly, the obese, and those with serous existing health conditions. By contrast, for fit and healthy people under 50 it is little different to the flu. In incredibly rare cases people under 50 die of the flu, but it is about as likely as being struck by lightning or drowning.

The vaccines, however, have complications. For example, the astrazeneca has been linked to blood clots and the Pfizer to myocarditis. The risks are higher for younger people. Some of them have been pulled from use in certain countries due to these issues. See the VAERS list. And we know that the media (fake and social) are actively suppressing all news of negative complications..[/QUOTE]Yale Medicine says different because the delta variant is different. The original COVID strain had a different infection profile than delta. And since many "at risk" individuals have been vaccinated, guess who is getting infected now? Unvaccinated people under 50. But, hey, we all know you're a COVID expert because of your many immunology degrees. [URL]https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-things-to-know-delta-variant-covid[/URL].

But, by all means, urge all of your unvaccinated friends and every other facsist that you know to remain unvaccinated. Tell them that the vaccine is unsafe. Tell them that it causes infertility. Tell them that it causes sterility. Tell them that it changes DNA. Tell them that it contains microchips. Tell them that it will turn them gay, lesbian or transsexual. Tell'them anything as long as they remain unvaccinated. There will be fewer to vote in 2022 and beyond.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584339]Learn to count. There was more than one infected as 7 from Texas were infected plus an undisclosed amount of democrat staffers were infected. White House refused to give numbers to press because it was excessive.[/QUOTE]I will say this once more. [B]all[/B] of the Texas Democrats who left in protest were vaccinated. All. Of. Them. That means 100% in case you didn't know.

You must be intimating that trump's vaccine achievement was a failure.

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/2-more-texas-democrats-test-041424478.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2584341]Republicans promote the general welfare of its citizens. Democrats put its citizens in welfare. Democrats call all successfully citizens racist. Democrats hate American prosperity just like they hate the flag and anthem. They demonize anyone that works hard and is successful as privileged. They blame their laziness on Republicans who work hard. That is why they hate capitalism and want socialism. They want to not work and have the same prosperity as hard working Americans. I agree life is unfair. [b]If you are a lazy democrat you do not make millions[/b].[/QUOTE]Jeff Bezos disagrees. So do Bloomberg and Steyer and many others. Sure, more billionaires are Republicans but your your highlighted statement is, as usual, patently false.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584311]I have tried posting this before. Perhaps it will go through this time.

Studies have shown that between 6% and 16% of eligible American voters [B]do not have an ID that is valid for voting[/B]. Not that this will mean anything to Republicans, unless, of course, those without a valid ID are likely to vote Republican. [URL]https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/debunking-misinformation-photo-id[/URL].

Given that some Republicans have made public comments about loving Confederate generals, it wouldn't surprise me if many Republican states will pass laws restricting voting to white, straight, male property owners.[/QUOTE]Firstly, the stat is most likely false. Secondly, anyone who wants to vote can get a free photo ID very easily. If they can't be bothered to get one, they clearly don't care about voting. That is absolutely their right. Nobody has to vote.

General Robert Lee was universally recognized by friend and foe alike as a great man. It is sad that after so much was done over many decades to heal the wounds of the Civil War, the modern-day left are trying to tear them open again. Almost as if they want a second civil war.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2584317]That says it all. You live in another reality.[/QUOTE]Nope. I live in the reality in which the only person killed at the Jan 6 protest was Ashli Babbitt, executed unjustifiably by a security officer. No law enforcement or legislators were killed or even significantly injured (I look forward to some leftist citing a fake news article about a congresswoman who tripped and grazed her knee, or a policeman who pulled a thigh muscle).

Imagine an "insurrection" in which nobody was killed or injured and no buildings were damaged or burned.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584297]Bottom line is everyone vaccinated and not vaccinated have to wear masks on airplanes. They did not as their own photos prove. They also went to a reception with Pelosi and staffers who are not vaccinated. They did not wear masks their also as their social media posts prove. These democrats don't believe in the science and don't believe they have to follow the rules like you and Zi have to. This wasn't fabricated by Fox or Trump. They posted their photos proving this on their own social media. No denying it. Now you can believe this never happened and deny it happened because you did not see it on fake news CNN but it is true and it happened but here you are supporting them because they are cowards who fled Texas.[/QUOTE]This is exactly the point. The anti-democratic democrats demand every regular person wears a mask and submits to their various rules whenever they fly, but the leadership dems consider such rules beneath them as they jet around in their private planes. Only for the little people. Just like their communist predecessors in the Soviet politburo.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584376]Yale Medicine says different because the delta variant is different. The original COVID strain had a different infection profile than delta. And since many "at risk" individuals have been vaccinated, guess who is getting infected now? Unvaccinated people under 50. [/QUOTE]Great. Fit, healthy people under 50 are at virtually zero risk. Once they are infected they will create antibodies and have stronger resistance in future. Once this happens to most young people, we will have natural herd immunity and will be better able to live normally with the virus, as we will eventually have to.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2584335]One more frustrated potential millionaire who'd rather believe in the Tooth Fairy than government that is proven to "promote the general welfare" of it's citizens.[/QUOTE]As I said, this debate was settled last century. Communism was the ultimate government scheme to "promote the general welfare of its citizens". How did that work out?

While watching Tokyo 2020 (or is it Tokyo 2021? Nobody can decide) I noticed a rather hilarious alteration to the Olympic motto. It used to be "Faster, Higher, Stronger", or in the original Latin: "Citius, Altius, Fortius".

The new updated motto is "Faster, Higher, Stronger, Together", or in the Latin: "Citius, Altius, Fortius. (wait for it). Communis".

Yes, "Communis (t)". They really aren't even trying to hide it any more.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2584271]Here Are The Ways Republicans Are Trying To Restrict Voting Access

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/03/10/here-are-the-ways-republicans-are-trying-to-restrict-voting-access/?sh=57c9d3523eed[/URL]

Yes, some of that crap is Voter ID-"related." But it isn't that the more likely Dem voter does not have an ID. He HAS an ID alright. It's just that the new Repub law now requires him to have one a Repub is more likely to have and not one a Dem is more likely to have.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584311]I have tried posting this before. Perhaps it will go through this time.

Studies have shown that between 6% and 16% of eligible American voters [B]do not have an ID that is valid for voting[/B]. Not that this will mean anything to Republicans, unless, of course, those without a valid ID are likely to vote Republican. [URL]https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/debunking-misinformation-photo-id[/URL] . . . [/QUOTE]Yeah, Gun License IDs are valid for voting, but University and College Student IDs aren't. ...kkkk!

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2584336]One person infected isn't a "superspreader event". The silver lining of all this is that 98% of those dying are anti-vaxxers (Trumpists).[/QUOTE]Nope. Average age of death remains well over 80, and with co-morbidities. 98% of those dying of (or rather, with) covid are still people who were sadly on the way out soon anyway.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584299]I have seen it for myself and so have you. Trickle down economics works. My Hispanic yard maintenance guy hired 50% more people and bought new equipment under Trump economics. My pool guy started a new company and started building pools. New houses were being built and all contractors had 3 month to 9 month backlogs. New restaurants and small businesses were flourishing. Unemployment for every race was down in USA under Trump. More people got off welfare under Trump. Unfortunately under Biden this is reversed. Now under Biden small businesses are closing mostly in democratic states where democrat governors shut down restaurants and small businesses allowing large corporations like Amazon, Costco, Home Depot and Walmart to take all the business away from small mom and pop operations. You saw it and you ignore it the same way you ignore the border crises and rising crime. Trickle down economics worked under Trump. Our border was secure under Trump but you are not intelligent enough to see that. You cannot see anything other than the fake news of CNN and China and Putin puppet Biden.[/QUOTE]The London School of Economics says that "trickle down economics" doesn't work.

But what do they know? They are professionals and you support the orange buffoon.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584406]Jeff Bezos disagrees. So do Bloomberg and Steyer and many others. Sure, more billionaires are Republicans.[/QUOTE]Yes, but even then.

[QUOTE]The nations wealthiest are more likely to be Republican than the average Americanbut just about as likely to be voting for Biden.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2020/10/20/even-americas-billionaires-are-tilting-toward-biden-in-the-2020-presidential-race/?sh=4f8939262bb7[/URL]

No one wants the Red Menace. If Republican politicians weren't such incredible cowards and hypocrites, they would've dumped that lump of human waste a long time ago.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584406]Jeff Bezos disagrees. So do Bloomberg and Steyer and many others. Sure, more billionaires are Republicans but your your highlighted statement is, as usual, patently false.[/QUOTE]I repeat. If you are a lazy democrat you will not make millions. I am sure Bloomberg and Stryker and pretty much any other intelligent individual would agree. That fact that you don't agree explains that you are not one of the intelligent ones.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584402]I will say this once more. [B]all[/B] of the Texas Democrats who left in protest were vaccinated. All. Of. Them. That means 100% in case you didn't know.

You must be intimating that trump's vaccine achievement was a failure.

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/2-more-texas-democrats-test-041424478.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Vaccinated but attended a special reception for them with several in vaccinated staffers Psaki would not disclose number of infected from this reception.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584299]I have seen it for myself and so have you. Trickle down economics works. My Hispanic yard maintenance guy hired 50% more people and bought new equipment under Trump economics. My pool guy started a new company and started building pools. New houses were being built and all contractors had 3 month to 9 month backlogs. New restaurants and small businesses were flourishing. Unemployment for every race was down in USA under Trump. More people got off welfare under Trump. Unfortunately under Biden this is reversed. Now under Biden small businesses are closing mostly in democratic states where democrat governors shut down restaurants and small businesses allowing large corporations like Amazon, Costco, Home Depot and Walmart to take all the business away from small mom and pop operations. You saw it and you ignore it the same way you ignore the border crises and rising crime. Trickle down economics worked under Trump. Our border was secure under Trump but you are not intelligent enough to see that. You cannot see anything other than the fake news of CNN and China and Putin puppet Biden.[/QUOTE]Even before Trump's disastrous economic decisions gave the world Trump's Pandemic and plunged the USA economy into a decline perhaps worse than the Great Republican (Supply-Side/Trickle-Down) Crash and Depression of the late 1920's/early 1930's, his economy was middling at best.

And that's only if you ignore the unnecessary Trillion$ he added to his deficits in order to "buy" those middling results. Factor those Trillion$ in and his economic results pre-Trump's Pandemic were truly crap. Post-Trump's Pandemic and factoring in all of his economis decisions, his overall economic results were hands down inarguably the worst of all time.

This was as good as Trump's lousy economy temporarily got pre-Trump's Pandemic:

[B]Ranking the Trump Economy.
The president brags about U.S. prosperity. But conditions improved more under his predecessors. (Even Carter.)[/B]
January 28,2019.
[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-28/trump-economy-lags-clinton-s-obama-s-reagan-s-and-even-carter-s[/URL]

[b]Trumps Economic Growth Is Slower Than Obamas Last 3 Years[/b]
Feb. 1, 2020
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-economic-growth-is-slower-than-obamas-last-3-years/?sh=4f5ec9b44fed

Here's another Repub Supply-Side/Trickle-Down success story for you:

[b]Trump to leave office with the worst jobs record since Herbert Hoover[/b]
Jan 12, 2021
https://fortune.com/2021/01/11/us-economy-jobs-numbers-trump-compared-past-presidents-worst-record-since-hoover/

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584361]Just what does this inane comment have to do with Missouri? You can't read for compression.[/QUOTE]Has nothing to do with Missouri. I didn't mention Missouri in my post. You must be fixated on Missouri for some reason. Maybe you can't read.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2584506]Even before Trump's disastrous economic decisions gave the world Trump's Pandemic and plunged the USA economy into a decline perhaps worse than the Great Republican (Supply-Side/Trickle-Down) Crash and Depression of the late 1920's/early 1930's, his economy was middling at best.

And that's only if you ignore the unnecessary Trillion$ he added to his deficits in order to "buy" those middling results. Factor those Trillion$ in and his economic results pre-Trump's Pandemic were truly crap. Post-Trump's Pandemic and factoring in all of his economis decisions, his overall economic results were hands down inarguably the worst of all time.

This was as good as Trump's lousy economy got pre-Trump's Pandemic:
[B]Ranking the Trump Economy.
The president brags about U.S. prosperity. But conditions improved more under his predecessors. (Even Carter.)[/B]
January 28,2019.
[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-28/trump-economy-lags-clinton-s-obama-s-reagan-s-and-even-carter-s[/URL][/QUOTE]Overspending by trillions is a term Biden is trying to push every day with his infrastructure scam. You don't seem to be worried about Biden spending 10 times what Trump spent.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2584483]Yes, but even then.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2020/10/20/even-americas-billionaires-are-tilting-toward-biden-in-the-2020-presidential-race/?sh=4f8939262bb7[/URL]

No one wants the Red Menace. If Republican politicians weren't such incredible cowards and hypocrites, they would've dumped that lump of human waste a long time ago.[/QUOTE]I, too, was going to post the Forbes article but I felt it had too many bigly words. Most fascists seem to understand words of only one syllable.

And I assume you meant the orange buffoon not the red menace, right?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2584439]Great. Fit, healthy people under 50 are at virtually zero risk. Once they are infected they will create antibodies and have stronger resistance in future. Once this happens to most young people, we will have natural herd immunity and will be better able to live normally with the virus, as we will eventually have to.[/QUOTE]Please tell all of your fascist friends that they're safe. Tell them that the vaccine is unsafe. Tell them it causes cancer like windmills. It will make them sterile. And worst of all, the vaccine will make them gay or lesbian or turn into a transsexual.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584509]Overspending by trillions is a term Biden is trying to push every day with his infrastructure scam. You don't seem to be worried about Biden spending 10 times what Trump spent.[/QUOTE]Trump spent like a drunken sailor. [URL]https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-added-about-3-9-trillion-to-deficits-so-far-budget-group-says-11599669921[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2584432][b]Firstly, the stat is most likely false[/b]. Secondly, anyone who wants to vote can get a free photo ID very easily. If they can't be bothered to get one, they clearly don't care about voting. That is absolutely their right. Nobody has to vote.

General Robert Lee was universally recognized by friend and foe alike as a great man. It is sad that after so much was done over many decades to heal the wounds of the Civil War, the modern-day left are trying to tear them open again. Almost as if they want a second civil war.[/QUOTE]The link is right there. Do the research because all of the sub-links are there too. But since the article doesn't agree with your closed-minded position, you ignore it. All fascists do that.

R. E Lee was a traitor. Plain and simple.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584509]Overspending by trillions is a term Biden is trying to push every day with his infrastructure scam. You don't seem to be worried about Biden spending 10 times what Trump spent.[/QUOTE]Trump added Trillion$ to his deficits on just one Supply-Side/Trickle-Down legislative failure, the hilariously ironically misnamed Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, at a time when Obama's economy and the Dems' legislation had already brought the unemployment rate below the Full Employment number, ongoing USA jobs creation was breaking month over month records, GDP growth was doing what it needed to do, the deficit was being paid down and, typically for outgoing Dem handoffs to incoming Repub administrations, the USA economy was recovering and expanding fine with NO evidence of Recession.

Trump's Trillion$ not only did NOT add one percentage point to annual GDP growth, it actually produced FEWER USA jobs in those first 3 years than Obama's economy produced in the 3 previous years (while reducing the deficit) AND presided over the first of two Bear Market Crashes in just 4 horrific Trump years (there were none in Obama's 8 years, btw).

By stark contrast, typical of outgoing Repub handoffs to incoming Dem administrations, Biden inherited from Trump a colossal economic mess, historic downturn, still another Great Repub Crash and Depression/Recession and the usual massive USA job losses in the millions, jobs Repubs love to claim their policies "create" but never ever do.

Biden has no choice but to spend Trillion$ to pull us out of Trump's Economic Disaster.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2584581]Trump added Trillion$ to his deficits on just one Supply-Side/Trickle-Down legislative failure, the hilariously ironically misnamed Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, at a time when Obama's economy and the Dems' legislation had already brought the unemployment rate below the Full Employment number, ongoing USA jobs creation was breaking month over month records, GDP growth was doing what it needed to do, the deficit was being paid down and, typically for outgoing Dem handoffs to incoming Repub administrations, the USA economy was recovering and expanding fine with NO evidence of Recession.

Trump's Trillion$ not only did NOT add one percentage point to annual GDP growth, it actually produced FEWER USA jobs in those first 3 years than Obama's economy produced in the 3 previous years (while reducing the deficit) AND presided over the first of two Bear Market Crashes in just 4 horrific Trump years (there were none in Obama's 8 years, btw).

By stark contrast, typical of outgoing Repub handoffs to incoming Dem administrations, Biden inherited from Trump a colossal economic mess, historic downturn, still another Great Repub Crash and Depression/Recession and the usual massive USA job losses in the millions, jobs Repubs love to claim their policies "create" but never ever do.

Biden has no choice but to spend Trillion$ to pull us out of Trump's Economic Disaster.[/QUOTE]Biden economy will be great if he does nothing. He does not need to give away more money. He just needs people to go back to work as they did in record numbers for Trump economy. The Wuhan virus killed Trump economy but Biden has done nothing and it is roaring back. Only Biden can kill the economy and bankrupt USA. Fortunately he has done nothing for 48 years in congress so Americans are hopeful he will continue his record. Easy to see why you are a loser on government subsistence if you believe Trump economy wasn't good. You must have been one of the few still on welfare when everyone else was working in Trump presidency before Wuhan virus. You are getting what you deserve under Biden presidency.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2584581]Trump added Trillion$ to his deficits on just one Supply-Side/Trickle-Down legislative failure, the hilariously ironically misnamed Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, at a time when Obama's economy and the Dems' legislation had already brought the unemployment rate below the Full Employment number, ongoing USA jobs creation was breaking month over month records, GDP growth was doing what it needed to do, the deficit was being paid down and, typically for outgoing Dem handoffs to incoming Repub administrations, the USA economy was recovering and expanding fine with NO evidence of Recession.

Trump's Trillion$ not only did NOT add one percentage point to annual GDP growth, it actually produced FEWER USA jobs in those first 3 years than Obama's economy produced in the 3 previous years (while reducing the deficit) AND presided over the first of two Bear Market Crashes in just 4 horrific Trump years (there were none in Obama's 8 years, btw).

By stark contrast, typical of outgoing Repub handoffs to incoming Dem administrations, Biden inherited from Trump a colossal economic mess, historic downturn, still another Great Repub Crash and Depression/Recession and the usual massive USA job losses in the millions, jobs Repubs love to claim their policies "create" but never ever do.

Biden has no choice but to spend Trillion$ to pull us out of Trump's Economic Disaster.[/QUOTE]Trumpshit lost three million jobs in the United States.

When he started his disastrous term of office in January 2017, the United States had 145.6 million jobs. When he was tossed from office after the Biden landslide, there were 3 million less jobs in the US. Biden is working to fix that shit and is making progress.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584538] And I assume you meant the orange buffoon not the red menace, right?[/QUOTE]No, I mean Red Menace in [U]every[/U] sense of the world.

[URL]https://www.nupoliticalreview.com/2017/12/09/the-red-menace-the-gops-quest-to-turn-america-into-a-single-party-state/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2584324]Pelosi is not not mandating vaccines for White House staffers. Most White House staffers are democrats and they are not vaccinated. That is why the Texas traitors got Covid. Why don't these democratic staffers believe in getting vaccinated? Maybe it just so happens that there are Republicans and Democrats that do not believe in getting vaccinated. But the democrat fools want to blame everything on Republicans even when it is the democrats not following the science.[/QUOTE]Let's look at each statement / question:

[B]Pelosi is not not mandating vaccines for White House staffers.[/B] Pelosi belongs to the Legislative branch. The White House is the Executive branch. Pelosi can't mandate to the WH. Therefore your statement is false.

[B]Most White House staffers are democrats and they are not vaccinated[/B] This statement is false. [URL]https://katv.com/news/coronavirus/hundreds-of-white-house-staffers-receive-vaccine[/URL].

[B]That is why the Texas traitors got Covid.[/B] Were you there? Where is the proof. Without proof, your statement is false.

[B]Why don't these democratic staffers believe in getting vaccinated?[/B] False question. [URL]https://katv.com/news/coronavirus/hundreds-of-white-house-staffers-receive-vaccine[/URL].

[B]Maybe it just so happens that there are Republicans and Democrats that do not believe in getting vaccinated.[/B] Many more Republicans than Democrats refuse to get vaccinated so your statement is false. [URL]https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/unvaccinated-americans-whiter-more-republican-vaccinated[/URL].

[B]But the democrat fools want to blame everything on Republicans even when it is the democrats not following the science.[/B] False since more Republicans than Democrats refuse to get vaccinated. People are blaming the unvaccinated in total. But if most unvaccinated people are Republicans, so be it.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2584597]Trumpshit lost three million jobs in the United States.

When he started his disastrous term of office in January 2017, the United States had 145.6 million jobs. When he was tossed from office after the Biden landslide, there were 3 million less jobs in the US. Biden is working to fix that shit and is making progress.[/QUOTE]Covid cost 3,000,000 jobs not Trump.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584571]Please tell all of your fascist friends that they're safe. Tell them that the vaccine is unsafe. Tell them it causes cancer like windmills. It will make them sterile. And worst of all, the vaccine will make them gay or lesbian or turn into a transsexual.[/QUOTE]Harris and Biden were the first and most vocal people claiming the vaccines were not safe. Blame them for causing doubt in the American people. Put the blame where it belongs.

OANN: The vaccine will make you gay!

Fux "news": A female viewer woke up with a co*k after getting vaccinated.

Real Clear Politics: After getting vaccinated, a reader grew a third eye.

Washington Times: The vaccine causes cancer just like windmills.

InfoWars: Buy this product and it will counteract the microchips in the vaccine.

SNARK!

[QUOTE=Canada;2584829]Harris and Biden were the first and most vocal people claiming the vaccines were not safe. Blame them for causing doubt in the American people. Put the blame where it belongs.[/QUOTE]A pure lie.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584769]Let's look at each statement / question:

[B]Pelosi is not not mandating vaccines for White House staffers.[/B] Pelosi belongs to the Legislative branch. The White House is the Executive branch. Pelosi can't mandate to the WH. Therefore your statement is false.

[B]Most White House staffers are democrats and they are not vaccinated This statement is false. [/b][URL] https://katv.com/news/coronavirus/hundreds-of-white-house-staffers-receive-vaccine [/URL].

. . . [/QUOTE]Well Done!!!

By now, it's pretty much established, spreading falsehoods is in their DNA. Like breathing air.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584769] But if most unvaccinated people are Republicans, so be it.[/QUOTE]Just about sums it up! Like lemmings off the proverbial, [i] "unvaccinated cliff".[/i]

[QUOTE=Canada;2584829]Harris and Biden were the first and most vocal people claiming the vaccines were not safe. Blame them for causing doubt in the American people. Put the blame where it belongs.[/QUOTE]Gee, how unlike you to post a comment without proof to back it up.

Not!

[QUOTE=Canada;2584823]Covid cost 3,000,000 jobs not Trump.[/QUOTE]The orange buffoon's bumbling cost the jobs. He never understood (and neither did rethuglicans) that jobs and a good COVID response were absolutely linked.

And besides, consumers held the upper hand anyway. Wishing the pandemic away like trump did was a recipe for disaster. The worst covid responses were all by klowns who thought like trump. AMLO, Bolsonaro, Erdogan all screwed the pooch.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584591]The Wuhan virus killed Trump economy[/QUOTE]TrumpShit's mishandling of the virus ruined the US economy and cost 3 million jobs in the United States.

Same thing as Herbert Hoover's mishandling of the major issues during his similarly failed presidency.

Winners deal with and handle challenges. Losers like TrumpShip make all the excuses they can.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584829]Harris and Biden were the first and most vocal people claiming the vaccines were not safe. Blame them for causing doubt in the American people. Put the blame where it belongs.[/QUOTE]That's absolutely false. Show your source.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584591]Biden economy will be great if he does nothing. He does not need to give away more money. He just needs people to go back to work as they did in record numbers for Trump economy. The Wuhan virus killed Trump economy but Biden has done nothing and it is roaring back. Only Biden can kill the economy and bankrupt USA. Fortunately he has done nothing for 48 years in congress so Americans are hopeful he will continue his record. Easy to see why you are a loser on government subsistence if you believe Trump economy wasn't good. You must have been one of the few still on welfare when everyone else was working in Trump presidency before Wuhan virus. You are getting what you deserve under Biden presidency.[/QUOTE]First of all, Biden has already passed a more provably positively effective economic legislation in his first 6 months in office than Trump did in 4 years of playing golf and trying but failing to muscle, bribe and beg foreign leaders to "Make sure I win (in 2020)".

Additionally, the USA economy was in freefall when Biden took over and job one for him in that regard was to create a national Covid-19 vaccination rollout where virtually none existed before he took office.

Biden could not get away with doing nothing and coasting on the economic conditions he inherited the way Trump most certainly could and did for his first full year in office. Moreover, the USA economy would clearly have performed better had Trump CONTINUED to do nothing and coast on the economic conditions he inherited for the full four years of his term.

That would have been especially so if Trump had done nothing to "save" us a few measly million bucks with his all-time worst economic decision to drastically cut the budget for the CDC, pull our monitoring representatives out of those Chinese research labs and virtually dismantle our and the world's Pandemic Prevention and Response teams in 2018 contrary to all expert advice and warnings NOT to do that!

And the assertions that Trump's pre and post Trump's Pandemic economy was crap is not based on anecdotal evidence or my casual observations about what somebody's gardener decided to do one day. They are the only conclusions possible based on the actual economic data collected and posted by non partisan government agencies and departments assigned to that job and accurately reported on the links I provided.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584823]Covid cost 3,000,000 jobs not Trump.[/QUOTE]Okay, let's be specific. Trump not only lacked an active response, but actively resisted and attempted to block every effort by health officials to rein in the pandemic early, causing not only exponentially more deaths, but spikes in infections through superspreader events, including his own rallies, that ultimately forced thousands of businesses to close and employees to lose their jobs. Better?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2584854]A pure lie.[/QUOTE]It is true and they are getting called on it by real news. Before Biden-Harris took office they were rejecting Trump vaccines. You could google it but google once again blocked those searches to protect Biden.

Why aren't Biden staffers vaccinated? I am sure the staffers that went to celebrate with the Texas democrats weren't Republicans?

Biden is killing this country. Why do you guys protect him? Do you hate USA that much?

[QUOTE=Canada;2584591]Biden economy will be great if he does nothing. He does not need to give away more money. He just needs people to go back to work as they did in record numbers for Trump economy. The Wuhan virus killed Trump economy but Biden has done nothing and it is roaring back. Only Biden can kill the economy and bankrupt USA. Fortunately he has done nothing for 48 years in congress so Americans are hopeful he will continue his record. Easy to see why you are a loser on government subsistence if you believe Trump economy wasn't good. You must have been one of the few still on welfare when everyone else was working in Trump presidency before Wuhan virus. You are getting what you deserve under Biden presidency.[/QUOTE]Trump walked into a record breaking economy in January of 2016. The stock market was at an alltime high of 18,000 from a low of 6000 when Obama took office from George Bush. All Trump had to do was to shut up and follow the recommendations of the health experts. That and a little empathy for those who lost loved ones- but those are skills of which he's completely devoid. Your man had his chance and he fucked the pooch. It's time to STFU and let the grownups try to clean up your friggin mess.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2584887]Okay, let's be specific. Trump not only lacked an active response, but actively resisted and attempted to block every effort by health officials to rein in the pandemic early, causing not only exponentially more deaths, but spikes in infections through superspreader events, including his own rallies, that ultimately forced thousands of businesses to close and employees to lose their jobs. Better?[/QUOTE]Are you saying Trump did not ban China and other countries from flying into USA with Covid when Biden and Harris called him racist for this?

Are you saying Trump didn't fast track 3 vaccines to save millions of American lives?

Everyone in USA and the rest of the world knows it.

If Biden had been president he would have done the same thing him and Obama did for swine flu. Nothing! And millions of Americans would have died.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2584432]Firstly, the stat is most likely false. Secondly, anyone who wants to vote can get a free photo ID very easily. If they can't be bothered to get one, they clearly don't care about voting. That is absolutely their right. Nobody has to vote.

General Robert Lee was universally recognized by friend and foe alike as a great man. It is sad that after so much was done over many decades to heal the wounds of the Civil War, the modern-day left are trying to tear them open again. Almost as if they want a second civil war.[/QUOTE]RL Lee wasn't internationally recognized at all. The biggest problem the confederacy faced was the fact that not one single foreign nation recognized them as an independent nation. Had they somehow won, which is completely inconceivable, they would have been international pariahs that couldn't sell a bale of cotton to a single nation in the world. You're pushing the first big lie- the Lost Cause Narrative. Lee wasn't a decent man at all, he was a slavemonger.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2584885]First of all, Biden has already passed a more provably positively effective economic legislation in his first 6 months in office than Trump did in 4 years of playing golf and trying but failing to muscle, beg or blackmail foreign leaders to "Make sure I win (in 2020)".

Additionally, the USA economy was in freefall when Biden took over and job one for him in that regard was to create a national Covid-19 vaccination rollout where virtually none existed before he took office.

And the assertions that Trump's pre and post Trump's Pandemic economy was crap is not based on anecdotal evidence or my casual observations about what somebody's gardener decided to do one day. They are the only conclusions possible based on the actual economic data collected and posted by non partisan government agencies and departments assigned to that job and accurately reported on the links I provided.[/QUOTE]Name one thing Biden has done to help businesses and the economy in his first 6 months. You can't because he did nothing. So I know you are going to ignore this post.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2584441]As I said, this debate was settled last century. Communism was the ultimate government scheme to "promote the general welfare of its citizens". How did that work out?[/QUOTE]Says who? Stalin? Nobody's talking communism except you conservatives. Anyone who uses the words "socialism" and "communism" interchangeably simply declare their ignorance.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2584898]RL Lee wasn't internationally recognized at all. Had they somehow won, which is completely inconceivable, they would have been international pariahs that couldn't sell a bale of cotton to a single nation in the world.[/QUOTE]Had the CSA won, it is highly probable they would have formed at the very least at trading alliance with Brazil, where slavery was legal. In fact, after the War, numerous ex-Confederates emigrated to Brazil, established colonies where they maintained a slaveholding plantation economy. It should also be noted that in the land called Liberia, the black American colonists also sought to establish a slaveholding economy.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584341]Republicans promote the general welfare of its citizens. Democrats put its citizens in welfare. Democrats call all successfully citizens racist. Democrats hate American prosperity just like they hate the flag and anthem. They demonize anyone that works hard and is successful as privileged. They blame their laziness on Republicans who work hard. That is why they hate capitalism and want socialism. They want to not work and have the same prosperity as hard working Americans. I agree life is unfair. If you are a lazy democrat you do not make millions.[/QUOTE]Republicans need to change their name to the Fascist Party of the United States. They actively oppose the Constitution and it's democratic institutions. If you're an American citizen, you should be arrested as a traitor.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2584900]Says who? Stalin? Nobody's talking communism except you conservatives. Anyone who uses the words "socialism" and "communism" interchangeably simply declare their ignorance.[/QUOTE]The fascists [B]always[/B] use communism and socialism interchangeably yet don't have a clue what either term means. But when you don't have an education, can only repeat what the orange buffoon says and are closed-minded to boot, that's what you get.

And what is worse, they don't even realize that they're fascists. They don't realize that they're racists. They don't realize that they're misogynists. They do, however, know that they're xenophobes, even if they can't define the word. And they also know that they're homophobes. The primarily reason Republicans won't get vaccinated is because they believe that the vaccines are a gummint plot to turn them gay.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2584895]Trump walked into a record breaking economy in January of 2016. The stock market was at an alltime high of 18,000 from a low of 6000 when Obama took office from George Bush. All Trump had to do was to shut up and follow the recommendations of the health experts. That and a little empathy for those who lost loved ones- but those are skills of which he's completely devoid. Your man had his chance and he fucked the pooch. It's time to STFU and let the grownups try to clean up your friggin mess.[/QUOTE]Trump reduced taxes and cut regulations for all business. Market went from 18000 to 34,000 and small businesses boomed. Biden reversing Trump tax cuts and regulation cuts will stagnate the market and kill small business. Fortunately he has done nothing and the market is cautious but still went up to 35,000. Everyone in the market is cautious with a basket case like Biden at the helm. Inflation is fast approaching and Biden has gotten oil prices from $35 a barrel to $73 a barrel and gas at the pumps almost double. Trump economy is still strong but Biden could kill it any day. Obviously you don't have money in the market and you don't listen to the experts or you would be writing the same thing I am.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2584447]Nope. Average age of death remains well over 80, and with co-morbidities. 98% of those dying of (or rather, with) covid are still people who were sadly on the way out soon anyway.[/QUOTE]You are right. Total deaths are still in historic ranges even with Covid.

But we have been tricked.

Scatmandoo, pvmonger, miamisammy, Xparton, eihtooms, john Clayton and Spidy are all the same guy. We were tricked into thinking there were 7 guys on welfare trying to boost socialism or communism whichever you prefer. They tricked us into thinking there were 7 flag burning USA haters here but actually they are only one guy without a clue. Here we thought all democrats were this stupid when it actually was just one person writing all these lies. Probably on welfare or quite possibly a CNN anchor.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584897]Are you saying Trump did not ban China and other countries from flying into USA with Covid when Biden and Harris called him racist for this?

Are you saying Trump didn't fast track 3 vaccines to save millions of American lives?

Everyone in USA and the rest of the world knows it.

If Biden had been president he would have done the same thing him and Obama did for swine flu. Nothing! And millions of Americans would have died.[/QUOTE]Yes, dump banned China and others from flying into the US. [B]After the virus was already here.[/B] dump closed the barn door after the horses escaped. BFD.

Yes, dump helped developed vaccines. Unfortunately most MAGAts won't take the vaccine because they think it is unsafe. Yep, great job developing faulty vaccines.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584935]You are right. Total deaths are still in historic ranges even with Covid.

But we have been tricked.

Scatmandoo, pvmonger, miamisammy, Xparton, eihtooms, john Clayton and Spidy are all the same guy. We were tricked into thinking there were 7 guys on welfare trying to boost socialism or communism whichever you prefer. They tricked us into thinking there were 7 flag burning USA haters here but actually they are only one guy without a clue. Here we thought all democrats were this stupid when it actually was just one person writing all these lies. Probably on welfare or quite possibly a CNN anchor.[/QUOTE]Like a warm, soft blanket.

USA Life Expectancy Fell by 1. 5 Years in 2020, the Biggest Decline in Generations.

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-life-expectancy-fell-by-1-5-years-in-2020-the-biggest-decline-in-generations-11626840061[/URL]

Let's all get down on our knees in praise to the "Trump Economy (R. I. P. And good riddance to bad rubbish) and according to Sarah Huckleberry Sanders, admitted Pinocchio, the " Trump Vaccine". Slip the tongue, Sarah, everybody does it, even in the White Press Room, eh Spicy?

Please submit nominations for this year's prize. If have a grievance with someone or someone you suspect is seven or more people (yeah, the list keeps growing) you must back up why this person deserves the gold medal for BS. We're talking bald face ignorance of economics, law, history. A quadruple show of bald face ignorance in one post gets special mention.

Picture is worth a 1000 words.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584899]Name one thing Biden has done to help businesses and the economy in his first 6 months. You can't because he did nothing. So I know you are going to ignore this post.[/QUOTE][B]Biden signs $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill, clearing way for stimulus checks, vaccine aid[/B]
March 11,2021.
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/11/biden-1point9-trillion-covid-relief-package-thursday-afternoon.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]President Joe Biden signed the $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package on Thursday afternoon.
The plan, his top priority as president, sends direct payments of up to $1,400, extends a $300 per week unemployment insurance supplement, expands the child tax credit and puts funds into vaccine distribution.
Democrats passed the legislation on their own in Congress, as Republicans question the need for a major stimulus package while the economy improves.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/57070054[/URL]
[quote]Joe Biden: "The three months before I got here, our country was creating roughly 60,000 jobs a month... we've been creating on average 500,000 jobs per month'
This is true, although the latest job numbers for April were less than predicted, when just 266,000 jobs were added.

The economy has continued to bounce back from the pandemic under President Biden. More than 530,000 jobs were added in February and 770,000 in March.

In the final few months of the Trump presidency, job growth was around 63,000 a month, on average.[/quote]

You don't get business/job rebounds, economic recovery and the record high jobs creation in those recoveries by inciting violent cop-killing anti-America Insurrections, attempting to overthrow American democracy and attempting to overturn free and fair elections.

So while Trump was busy doing those things Biden and the Dems in Congress passed a stimulous package that has actually pulled USA businesses out of near collapse and the jobs along with them after the devesating effects of Trump's Pandemic and Economic Disaster.

And from the very beginning of Biden's tenure USA businesses knew that bill under discussion by Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and the other Dems WOULD GET PASSED because, unlike Trump and his Repubs, Biden and the Dems are not bullshitters about recovering and expanding the USA economy, recovering and creating significant numbers of USA jobs because in that case they did not need Do Nothing Repub votes to get it done.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2585169][B]Biden signs $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill, clearing way for stimulus checks, vaccine aid[/B]
March 11,2021.
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/11/biden-1point9-trillion-covid-relief-package-thursday-afternoon.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/57070054[/URL]


You don't get business/job rebounds, economic recovery and the record high jobs creation in those recoveries by inciting violent cop-killing anti-America Insurrections, attempting to overthrow American democracy and attempting to overturn free and fair elections.

So while Trump was busy doing those things Biden and the Dems in Congress passed a stimulous package that has actually pulled USA businesses out of near collapse and the jobs along with them after the devesating effects of Trump's Pandemic and Economic Disaster.

And from the very beginning of Biden's tenure USA businesses knew that bill under discussion by Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and the other Dems WOULD GET PASSED because, unlike Trump and his Repubs, Biden and the Dems are not bullshitters about recovering and expanding the USA economy, recovering and creating significant numbers of USA jobs because in that case they did not need Do Nothing Repub votes to get it done.[/QUOTE]Giving free money away is not a long term solution for the economy. This is not an achievement as half the money went for liberal wish lists.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2584969]Yes, dump banned China and others from flying into the US. [B]After the virus was already here.[/B] dump closed the barn door after the horses escaped. BFD.

Yes, dump helped developed vaccines. Unfortunately most MAGAts won't take the vaccine because they think it is unsafe. Yep, great job developing faulty vaccines.[/QUOTE]Virus was brought into USA on flights from China originally. Continuing to allow these flights and allowing more infected Chinese into USA would have just multiplied the problem. Now our idiot president is allowing virus spreaders from Mexico unmasked to bring in the virus from Mexico. Unvaccinated illegals traveling on buses unmasked to all our cities. Biden really is smart letting unvaccinated illegals from Mexico into USA but blocking vaccinated tourists from Canada.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2584447]Nope. Average age of death remains well over 80, and with co-morbidities. 98% of those dying of (or rather, with) covid are still people who were sadly on the way out soon anyway.[/QUOTE]Using "average" in this context is misleading because of the tremendous number of early COVID deaths among the aged.

Here's an example that you might understand. Take a random sample of 1000 MAGAts. 999 of them have the standard MAGAt IQ of 10.1 MAGAt has a "normal" IQ of 120. Therefore, the "average" MAGAt IQ is 10.11.

[QUOTE=Canada;2585197]Giving free money away is not a long term solution for the economy. This is not an achievement as half the money went for liberal wish lists.[/QUOTE]I guess dump's "free money" for the farmers hurt by his inane and failed trade war doesn't count. That's MAGAt logic for you. Dump spends billions to solve a problem he created and MAGAts cheer. Smdh.

[QUOTE=Canada;2584935]You are right. [b]Total deaths are still in historic ranges even with Covid.[/b]

But we have been tricked.

Scatmandoo, pvmonger, miamisammy, Xparton, eihtooms, john Clayton and Spidy are all the same guy. We were tricked into thinking there were 7 guys on welfare trying to boost socialism or communism whichever you prefer. They tricked us into thinking there were 7 flag burning USA haters here but actually they are only one guy without a clue. Here we thought all democrats were this stupid when it actually was just one person writing all these lies. Probably on welfare or quite possibly a CNN anchor.[/QUOTE]As usual, you make statements with out proof. I know you think that everybody who reads your nonsense won't verify what you say. But you have to remember that the dumbest Democrat is smarter than the smartest Rethuglican.

Here are several sources that prove your "excess deaths" comment is fiction. Or, like you fascists like to term it, "alternative facts".

[URL]https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/05/15/there-have-been-7m-13m-excess-deaths-worldwide-during-the-pandemic[/URL]

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2585280]As usual, you make statements with out proof. I know you think that everybody who reads your nonsense won't verify what you say. But you have to remember that the dumbest Democrat is smarter than the smartest Rethuglican.

Here are several sources that prove your "excess deaths" comment is fiction. Or, like you fascists like to term it, "alternative facts".

[URL]https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/05/15/there-have-been-7m-13m-excess-deaths-worldwide-during-the-pandemic[/URL]

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid[/URL][/QUOTE]Your sites that you provided are world deaths. I understand you being a democrat you do not know the difference between USA deaths and world deaths.

As John Prine (R. I. P.) sang "your flag decal won't get you into heaven, anymore" and "Sam Stone was alone when he popped his last balloon. Jesus Christ died for nuthin, I suppose.. sweet songs never last too long on broken radios”

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2585255]I guess dump's "free money" for the farmers hurt by his inane and failed trade war doesn't count. That's MAGAt logic for you. Dump spends billions to solve a problem he created and MAGAts cheer. Smdh.[/QUOTE]Free money Biden gave away was tax payers money. Free money Trump gave to farmers was paid by China duties that Trump imposed. Big difference. I can see why you don't care since you got free money and don't pay taxes.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2585326]As John Prine (R. I. P.) sang "your flag decal won't get you into heaven, anymore" and "Sam Stone was alone when he popped his last balloon. Jesus Christ died for nuthin, I suppose.. sweet songs never last too long on broken radios[/QUOTE]But a "trump flag decal" might get a trumpet into Mar-a-Lago which they consider to be heaven. But the trumpet will still need to pay the $200 K membership fee. Good luck with that.

Capitol and DC police officers are currently testifying before Congress.

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/officer-slams-trump-jan-6-153938422.html[/URL]

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/capitol-police-officer-testifies-racial-165139878.html[/URL]

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/dc-police-officer-daniel-hodges-172538111.html[/URL]

The "we patriots" posters are bemoaning the fact that they can't find the non-existent videos of the officers "hugging and kissing" the insurrectionists.

"One woman in a pink MAGA shirt yelled, "You hear that, guys? This nigger voted for Joe Biden. " Then the crowd-- perhaps around 20 people-- joined in screaming, "Boo, fucking nigger. ".

"I'm still recovering from those 'hugs and kisses' that day that he claimed that so many rioters, terrorists, were assaulting us with. "

[QUOTE=Canada;2585200]Virus was brought into USA on flights from China originally. Continuing to allow these flights and allowing more infected Chinese into USA would have just multiplied the problem. Now our idiot president is allowing virus spreaders from Mexico unmasked to bring in the virus from Mexico. Unvaccinated illegals traveling on buses unmasked to all our cities. Biden really is smart letting unvaccinated illegals from Mexico into USA but blocking vaccinated tourists from Canada.[/QUOTE]The strain causing most community infections in the USA Came in February from Europe, namely Italy, not China.

There was a small outbreak in Washington State earlier that came directly from China, but it was contained.

While banning flights from China was the right thing to do, it was a day late and a dollar short and didn't contribute to reducing the spread of virus in the USA Thousands of American citizens, for example, kept coming to the USA From China without any quarantine requirements even after the ban was implemented.

As to unvaccinated Biden's illegals from Mexico traveling by buses into the USA, well, it takes a lot of courage to display their idiocy as eloquently as Canada and his comrades. Kudos to them.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2585377]The strain causing most community infections in the USA Came in February from Europe, namely Italy, not China.[/QUOTE]That may be true, but where do you think the Milan Italian infections came from in the first place? China.

Actually MEXICO is doing a fairly good job with safety protocols. Much more so than the savages in America who will kill you if asked to put on a mask.

You cannot go into a store or restaurant in (Tijuana) without a temp check, mask, and hand sanitizer. Just try and do that in America and watch what happens.

If a few illegals bring Covid they are bringing sand to the beach. As mongers we are very familiar with that term.

[QUOTE=Canada;2585324]Your sites that you provided are world deaths. I understand you being a democrat you do not know the difference between USA deaths and world deaths.[/QUOTE]The second link enables someone to enter a country. USA excess deaths are up 20%.

But you wouldn't know that because you never bothered to look at the link.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2585357]Capitol and DC police officers are currently testifying before Congress.

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/officer-slams-trump-jan-6-153938422.html[/URL]

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/capitol-police-officer-testifies-racial-165139878.html[/URL]

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/dc-police-officer-daniel-hodges-172538111.html[/URL]

The "we patriots" posters are bemoaning the fact that they can't find the non-existent videos of the officers "hugging and kissing" the insurrectionists.

"One woman in a pink MAGA shirt yelled, "You hear that, guys? This nigger voted for Joe Biden. " Then the crowd-- perhaps around 20 people-- joined in screaming, "Boo, fucking nigger. ".

"I'm still recovering from those 'hugs and kisses' that day that he claimed that so many rioters, terrorists, were assaulting us with. "[/QUOTE]Pelosi big scam. Pelosi won't have a bi partisan committee and instead has a committee of all Trump haters interviewing hand picked Trump hating witnesses. What a scam. All she is trying to do is create a diversion from Biden catastrophe. Now the fake news has some news for the socialists and far left to write worthless reports like the one above.

KKKanada was not there, but saw videos of the love fest, Capitol Cops waving in the smiling tourists there to watch the government in action. " My mind is made up. I won't be swayed by facts. I saw a video on YouTube of voting fraud. One can always trust what is on the internet, except that my mind can't handle the truth".

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2585326]As John Prine (R. I. P.) sang "your flag decal won't get you into heaven, anymore" and "Sam Stone was alone when he popped his last balloon. Jesus Christ died for nuthin, I suppose.. sweet songs never last too long on broken radios[/QUOTE]John Prine died of covid.

[QUOTE=Canada;2585197]Giving free money away is not a long term solution for the economy. This is not an achievement as half the money went for liberal wish lists.[/QUOTE]Trump and the GQP's December 2017 Tax Cut and Jobs Act, at a cost of $2.5+ Trillion added to the deficit, was obviously neither a short term nor a long term fix for anything unless you thought the absence of that $2.5+ Trillion in the deficits was a problem that needed to be fixed.

Can someone define and give us the actual numbers for "Liberal Wish Lists" that tax payers in Blue States and Sanctuary Cities pay for in the bills that congress passes but does not read before voting on? It's called "I'll vote for your pork if you vote for mine, assisted by arm twisting by the leadership". Every state has a weapons producer, ensuring a yes vote. Will those making bold statements finally back them up or admit to a lack of information?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2585385]That may be true, but where do you think the Milan Italian infections came from in the first place? China.[/QUOTE]Mr. Canada was praising Mr. Trump for banning flights from China. My point is that it was like shutting the barn door long after the horses left the premises. It did nothing or very little at best to curb the spread of virus in the USA.

Injections of strong light up the anus and drinking bleach did more to curtail Coffeffe than banning all flights from the Kung Flu epicenter. Nobody knew that the Secret Service could be such a lucrative cash cow for a loser? Stop the steal "merch" is also filling the piggy's bank.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2585672]Injections of strong light up the anus and drinking bleach did more to curtail Coffeffe than banning all flights from the Kung Flu epicenter. Nobody knew that the Secret Service could be such a lucrative cash cow for a loser? Stop the steal "merch" is also filling the piggy's bank.[/QUOTE]It is the democrats way of making a joke out of Trump saving lives. They make jokes on Trump successes and Biden humanity crises of the border is ignored. People are dying in the hands of traffickers and Covid is entering the country faster than it was from planes from China. Trump stopped the virus from entering from China and a democrat laughs and jokes. Biden encourages illegals to enter USA with the virus and the democrats are silent. Probably will blame Trump for Biden stupidity.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2585478]Can someone define and give us the actual numbers for "Liberal Wish Lists" that tax payers in Blue States and Sanctuary Cities pay for in the bills that congress passes but does not read before voting on? It's called "I'll vote for your pork if you vote for mine, assisted by arm twisting by the leadership". Every state has a weapons producer, ensuring a yes vote. Will those making bold statements finally back them up or admit to a lack of information?[/QUOTE]Read Biden 3.9 Trillion stimulus package when the finally finish it. Billions for amnesty for all the illegals, billions for CA failed high speed rail among others.

[QUOTE=Canada;2585329]Free money Biden gave away was tax payers money. Free money Trump gave to farmers was paid by China duties that Trump imposed. Big difference. I can see why you don't care since you got free money and don't pay taxes.[/QUOTE]If you believe that China paid the tariffs on Chinese goods they sent to the US, you have no idea how either importation or tariffs work. But dump didn't either. He sold you a bill of goods and you bought it, hook, line and sinker.

Companies who import goods into the US pay import duties and tariffs to the USCBP. Therefore, the US collects the tariffs from the company doing the importation. That revenue goes to the US Department of the Treasury and those monies are, therefore. Wait for it. Taxpayer money.

So dump used taxpayer money to bail out farmers who were suffering due to a problem dump caused.

[QUOTE=Canada;2585413]Pelosi big scam. Pelosi won't have a bi partisan committee and instead has a committee of all Trump haters interviewing hand picked Trump hating witnesses. What a scam. All she is trying to do is create a diversion from Biden catastrophe. Now the fake news has some news for the socialists and far left to write worthless reports like the one above.[/QUOTE]Are the cops lying or telling the truth?

If your answer is "they're lying", then you hate cops.

If the answer is "they're telling the truth", then you support cops.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2585538]Mr. Canada was praising Mr. Trump for banning flights from China. My point is that it was like shutting the barn door long after the horses left the premises. It did nothing or very little at best to curb the spread of virus in the USA.[/QUOTE]As we all know, hindsight is 20/20. Sure, Trump could have banned flights from Europe, South Korea, and Thailand at the same time he banned flights from China. He could have enacted the flight ban from China a few weeks earlier than he did too. He didn't. No world leader did. Not the liberal Macron, not the liberal Merkel, not the conservative Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong of Singapore, not the Leaders of the Thai Government ect, ect and it is very safe to add that Hillary, Nancy, or Kamilla would not have banned Chinese flights earlier than Trump did either if at all.

To his credit, Trump succeeded in getting the Vaccines manufactured and ready for roll out in large numbers before any other country and that is something the American Left try as hard as they can to erase from history will never succeed in doing. Again, Macron, Merkel, the Japanese, the Koreans, the Singaporeans: NOBODY succeeded in getting the vaccine into large scale production ready for distribution as soon as the CDC and other governmental World Health Regulatory Organizations gave their approval except President Trump and therefore it is without a doubt that Hillary, Nancy, Kamilla or Uncle Joe would not have done it either. Without Trump the vaccine roll out in the USA would have resembled the roll out in Canada or Germany.

Trump succeeded where no other political leader in the world did because he is a businessman and he knew that the only way to get the pharmaceuticals into early large scale production while their vaccines were still in the testing phase before obtaining government approval was with a billion dollar government purchase guarantee in case the vaccine did not pass the test phase. It was a tremendous gamble, and the Left would have been all over Trump if the vaccines had not eventually passed certification. But Trump took that risk and he deserves all the credit along with the Pfizer and Moderna Pharmaceutical companies for developing the vaccines in record time.

BTW, I received my 1st dose of the Moderna vaccine before Joe Biden was sworn into office. So please, no BS about Uncle Joe doing much of anything on this subject. The only positive thing that can be said about President Biden's role in all this is that his administration did not fuck up the roll out. Thanks' Uncle Joe. You the man!

But this is all water under the bridge. I understand the Left's reason to want to keep beating the Trump horse to death. They hate Trump beyond all reason plus they are deathly afraid he may run for President again and win. HA HA. Meanwhile, Uncle Joe is an incredibly weak President and Kamilla is generally disliked by all.

But if Trump did not do enough to curb the pandemic as you claim, then how can you defend Biden's open border policy? So far, at least 2 million illegal aliens have crossed the US-Mexico border since Biden became president of which an unknown, yet a statistically significant number of these illegals are carrying the active variant Covid 19 virus. This is 1 of 4 major factors that is going to sink the Woke Biden presidency.

#2 is the unrestrained violence surge in all Democratic one party controlled US cities.

#3 is Inflation & the Economy "stupid".

#4 is the shockingly radical, racist, Critical Race Theory being imposed on American school children against most parents wishes.

So, good Luck with all that. Better go back to Trump bashing. Is that still working for you guys?

When Liz Cheney was asked about comments that House Republican conference Chair Elise Stefanik had made earlier Tuesday seeking to blame House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for the insurrection, Cheney stressed that "what happened is absolutely clear."

Trump, she said, "lit the flame for what happened. We've seen that not just in the speech on the Ellipse, but throughout. What this committee needs to understand is exactly what the details were of the planning and the financing. But for anybody to be suggesting that somehow he wasn't responsible, I think it's shameful. ".

The comments from Cheney -- whom Stefanik replaced in May in the No. 3 role in the House Republican conference -- come hours after the House panel held its first meeting, featuring harrowing testimony from four officers who shared their stories of being attacked by rioters. The three-hour hearing was the opening act for the committee, which is preparing to investigate all of the circumstances surrounding the January 6 insurrection, including the role played by Trump.

In a pointed opening statement during the hearing, Cheney said it is imperative to "know what happened every minute of the day in the White House. Every phone call, every conversation, every meeting leading up to, during and after the attack."

"Honorable men and women have an obligation to step forward," the Wyoming Republican continued. "If those responsible are not held accountable, and if Congress does not act responsibly, this will remain a cancer on our Constitutional Republic, undermining the peaceful transfer of power at the heart of our democratic system."

Cheney and Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois -- the other Republican lawmaker on the panel -- have faced sharp blowback for joining Pelosi's committee after the speaker rejected two of McCathy's choices last week -- Reps. Jim Banks of Indiana and Jim Jordan of Ohio -- which prompted the GOP leader to withdraw all five of his picks.

A growing group of rank-and-file Republicans have argued the pair should be removed from their other committee slots. The two members, however, have said those threats won't deter them.

"I think that we are at a really important and frankly quite perilous moment. If we look the other way, if we accept what happened on January 6, if we accept what people -- my colleagues are saying that we should somehow look at this as a bunch of tourists. They are trying to whitewash it, ignore it," Cheney told Tapper on Tuesday.

"If we go down that path, then we really are abandoning the rule of law, and we are abandoning what is one of the most fundamental elements of our republic, which is the peaceful transfer of power."

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2585693]Are the cops lying or telling the truth?

If your answer is "they're lying", then you hate cops.

If the answer is "they're telling the truth", then you support cops.[/QUOTE]And if his answer is "fake news"?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2585712]As we all know, hindsight is 20/20. Sure, Trump could have banned flights from Europe, South Korea, and Thailand at the same time he banned flights from China. He could have enacted the flight ban from China a few weeks earlier than he did too. He didn't. No world leader did. Not the liberal Macron, not the liberal Merkel, not the conservative Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong of Singapore, not the Leaders of the Thai Government ect, ect and it is very safe to add that Hillary, Nancy, or Kamilla would not have banned Chinese flights earlier than Trump did either if at all.

To his credit, Trump succeeded in getting the Vaccines manufactured and ready for roll out in large numbers before any other country and that is something the American Left try as hard as they can to erase from history will never succeed in doing. Again, Macron, Merkel, the Japanese, the Koreans, the Singaporeans: NOBODY succeeded in getting the vaccine into large scale production ready for distribution as soon as the CDC and other governmental World Health Regulatory Organizations gave their approval except President Trump and therefore it is without a doubt that Hillary, Nancy, Kamilla or Uncle Joe would not have done it either. Without Trump the vaccine roll out in the USA would have resembled the roll out in Canada or Germany.

Trump succeeded where no other political leader in the world did because he is a businessman and he knew that the only way to get the pharmaceuticals into early large scale production while their vaccines were still in the testing phase before obtaining government approval was with a billion dollar government purchase guarantee in case the vaccine did not pass the test phase. It was a tremendous gamble, and the Left would have been all over Trump if the vaccines had not eventually passed certification. But Trump took that risk and he deserves all the credit along with the Pfizer and Moderna Pharmaceutical companies for developing the vaccines in record time.

BTW, I received my 1st dose of the Moderna vaccine before Joe Biden was sworn into office. So please, no BS about Uncle Joe doing much of anything on this subject. The only positive thing that can be said about President Biden's role in all this is that his administration did not fuck up the roll out. Thanks' Uncle Joe. You the man!

But this is all water under the bridge. I understand the Left's reason to want to keep beating the Trump horse to death. They hate Trump beyond all reason plus they are deathly afraid he may run for President again and win. HA HA. Meanwhile, Uncle Joe is an incredibly weak President and Kamilla is generally disliked by all.

But if Trump did not do enough to curb the pandemic as you claim, then how can you defend Biden's open border policy? So far, at least 2 million illegal aliens have crossed the US-Mexico border since Biden became president of which an unknown, yet a statistically significant number of these illegals are carrying the active variant Covid 19 virus. This is 1 of 4 major factors that is going to sink the Woke Biden presidency.

#2 is the unrestrained violence surge in all Democratic one party controlled US cities.

#3 is Inflation & the Economy "stupid".

#4 is the shockingly radical, racist, Critical Race Theory being imposed on American school children against most parents wishes.

So, good Luck with all that. Better go back to Trump bashing. Is that still working for you guys?[/QUOTE]Neither Hillary, Nancy, Kamala nor Uncle Joe would have radically cut the CDC budget, pulled our monitoring representatives out of the Chinese labs and effectively dismantled our Pandemic Prevention and Response systems against all expert advice and despite specific warnings about doing such a thing likely leading to exactly the outcome it led to as early as 2018, more than a year before those warnings proved correct.

Then, had any of them somehow lost their minds and sight of their duty to protect the American people and the USA economy enough to have done such an idiotic thing, none of them would have compounded their idiotic, disastrous blunder by knowingly lying in sync with the leader of the country of the virus' apparent origin (or is it "oranges"?) about the ease of human-to-human spread as well as the deadly nature of it and then spent the next critical months mocking the proven mitigation measures and trying to convince anyone stupid enough to listen to them that "It's a HOAX!, we've got this under control, there will be NO coronavirus in the Fall (of 2020), this will go away WITHOUT a vaccine!" and anything else they could do and say to promote the spread of the virus, turn the Wuhan endemic most surely into the worldwide Pandemic it became and discourage the invention of a vaccine to defeat it.

But Trump did.

The fact that between golf rounds Trump came up with a brand name for the efforts to invent a vaccine for it DESPITE his nearly year long attempt to make sure nobody would bother inventing one is nice. But that in no way erases his incomparable contributions to requiring a "warp speed" invention of one to prevent hundreds of thousands if not millions more deaths asap in the first place.

On Jan. 6, hundreds of our fellow citizens stormed the USA Capitol, armed and ready for battle. For hours, broadcast live on television and streamed on social media, rioters attacked law enforcement and eventually breached the halls of Congress in an effort to stop the certification of the 2020 presidential election.

Their goal was to subvert America's democratic process and their means to this end was brute force and violent assaults on the men and women of the Capitol Police and Metropolitan Police Department.

How did this happen? Why? Who spurred this effort? Was it organized? When did our government leaders know of the impending attacks and what were their responses? What level of preparation or warnings did our law enforcement have? Was there coordination between the rioters and any members of Congress, or with staff?

We need answers and we need accountability, and the only way to get that is a full investigation and understanding of what happened to ensure nothing like this ever happens again. Such an investigation should include a serious look at the misinformation campaigns and their origins, the lies being perpetuated by leaders including by former President Donald Trump and what impact such false narratives had on the events leading up to and following Jan. 6. We need to be fearless about understanding the motivations of our fellow Americans, even if it makes us uncomfortable about the truth of who they are and the truth of who played what role in inspiring them.

I've never been pessimistic about the future of this country, but if we fail to do this and do this right I will have serious doubts about what the future looks like for America and for our democracy. Self-governance requires accountability and responsibility, and it's why I accepted Speaker Nancy Pelosi's appointment to serve on the House select committee to investigate the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, which is holding its first hearing on Tuesday.

I'm a Republican dedicated to conservative values, but I swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and while this is not the position I expected to be in or sought out, when duty calls, I will always answer.

This moment is bigger than me it's bigger than all of us because the future of our country is on the line. This is not about politics: For my part, my wife Sofia and I are expecting a baby boy early next year, and I have to make sure the future is a better one for him that the America he'll be born into is better than what we are facing right now. That facts will be the facts, and truth will prevail over the lies and conspiracies.

The oath many of us take to uphold our Constitution and defend democracy means something. I've taken this oath in my capacity as a member of Congress and in my service in the USA Air Force, and Air National Guard. And I'm committed to upholding my oath by serving on this committee to ensure we have accountability and transparency about the Jan. 6 insurrection.

In that spirit, I believe that all of us who have taken oaths to defend our Constitution must play a role in this inquiry if called upon. This includes members of Congress, military leaders, White House officials and key players in our intelligence field, among others.

Without question, the work of this committee needs to be a nonpartisan effort. It cannot continue to be a partisan fight, where we're taking every opportunity to discredit each other for perceived political points or fund-raising efforts. The childish mudslinging is not helpful and damages the already fragile integrity of our institutions. I urge all of my colleagues as well as the American people to unplug the rage machine and see this situation through clear eyes: America was attacked, and we deserve to know why and how it happened.

We need to restore some trust in this country, and that requires a full investigation of what happened and how the insurrection was able to take place. That's the goal. We need the facts and we need to lay them out for the country to see for themselves and face them head on. In order to heal from the damage caused that day, we must acknowledge and understand what happened, hold the responsible people accountable, learn from our past mistakes and move on stronger and secured in knowing that we as a nation will never let this happen again.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2585848]Neither Hillary, Nancy, Kamala nor Uncle Joe would have radically cut the CDC budget, pulled our monitoring representatives out of the Chinese labs and effectively dismantled our Pandemic Prevention and Response systems against all expert advice and despite specific warnings about doing such a thing likely leading to exactly the outcome it led to as early as 2018, more than a year before those warnings proved correct.[/QUOTE]Yes, the pandemic prevention and Response System that Barack Obama smartly funded during his terms.

Would have been in place under Hillary.

The virus would have been identified and contained in China.

And the world (and world economy) could have escaped the needless damage of the TrumpShit Pandemic.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2585848]Then, had any of them somehow lost their minds and sight of their duty to protect the American people and the USA economy enough to have done such an idiotic thing, none of them would have compounded their idiotic, disastrous blunder by knowingly lying in sync with the leader of the country of the virus' apparent origin (or is it "oranges"?) about the ease of human-to-human spread as well as the deadly nature of it and then spent the next critical months mocking the proven mitigation measures and trying to convince anyone stupid enough to listen to them that "It's a HOAX!, we've got this under control, there will be NO coronavirus in the Fall (of 2020), this will go away without a vaccine!" and anything else they could do and say to promote the spread of the virus, turn the Wuhan endemic most surely into the worldwide Pandemic it became and discourage the invention of a vaccine to defeat it.

But Trump did.

The fact that between golf rounds Trump came up with a brand name for the efforts to invent a vaccine for it DESPITE his nearly year long attempt to make sure nobody would bother inventing one is nice. But that in no way erases his incomparable contributions to requiring a "warp speed" invention of one to prevent hundreds of thousands if not millions more deaths asap in the first place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2585729]When Liz Cheney was asked about comments that House Republican conference Chair Elise Stefanik had made earlier Tuesday seeking to blame House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for the insurrection, Cheney stressed that "what happened is absolutely clear."

Trump, she said, "lit the flame for what happened. We've seen that not just in the speech on the Ellipse, but throughout. What this committee needs to understand is exactly what the details were of the planning and the financing. But for anybody to be suggesting that somehow he wasn't responsible, I think it's shameful. ".

The comments from Cheney -- whom Stefanik replaced in May in the No. 3 role in the House Republican conference -- come hours after the House panel held its first meeting, featuring harrowing testimony from four officers who shared their stories of being attacked by rioters. The three-hour hearing was the opening act for the committee, which is preparing to investigate all of the circumstances surrounding the January 6 insurrection, including the role played by Trump.

In a pointed opening statement during the hearing, Cheney said it is imperative to "know what happened every minute of the day in the White House. Every phone call, every conversation, every meeting leading up to, during and after the attack."[/QUOTE]Nobody is taking this Pelosi dog and pony show seriously. Everyone knows it is a sham.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2585690]If you believe that China paid the tariffs on Chinese goods they sent to the US, you have no idea how either importation or tariffs work. But dump didn't either. He sold you a bill of goods and you bought it, hook, line and sinker.

Companies who import goods into the US pay import duties and tariffs to the USCBP. Therefore, the US collects the tariffs from the company doing the importation. That revenue goes to the US Department of the Treasury and those monies are, therefore. Wait for it. Taxpayer money.

So dump used taxpayer money to bail out farmers who were suffering due to a problem dump caused.[/QUOTE]I did business in China for 15 years. I imported steel from China to USA for 10 years. Trump put 10% duties on 85% of China imports and 25% on some flat steel products. First thin China government did was to devalue their currency by 10% This made the products 10% cheaper and the USA companies paid 10% duty. USA buyers paid same amount for their steel and China manufacturers lost 10% of their profit. This hurt China and benefits the USA. I know because I was one of the USA companies purchasing.

This money was used to help the farmers because China retaliated by cutting imports of farmers products. So yes China paid the farmers. Not USA tax payers. Not the case with Biden giveaways though.

ET, it is always entertaining to see how you bring up non sequiturs in your talking points in order to skate around an issue and obfuscate the truth. Case in point: "Uncle Joe would (not) have radically cut the CDC budget, pulled our monitoring representatives out of the Chinese labs and effectively dismantled our Pandemic Prevention and Response systems against all expert advice and despite specific warnings about doing such a thing likely leading to exactly the outcome it led to as early as 2018, more than a year before those warnings proved correct."

Excuse me, but wasn't it the American Left's favorite boy Dr. Fauci, the preeminent medical expert on Corona diseases who secretly oversaw the funding of change of function research in the Wuhan Lab where Covid 19 pathogens escaped from in the first place? And did it never occur to you that maybe Dr. Fauci lied to Trump in early November & December 2019 to cover up his complicity. Look man, you keep trying to put the blame on Trump when the real blame goes to the Chinese Government who knew sooner than anyone what had happened, locked down all their cities in draconian fashion, but allowed their nationals to get on planes and infect the world. The Chinese Communist Government did that not Trump.

But you don't want to talk about reality or what is really going on now. Any reality that would hold the Chinese Communist Government responsible for the worst pandemic outbreak since the Spanish Flu is a no-go zone for you. Oh no. That is why you try to obfuscate issue.

Another case in point: I could not help but notice how you said nothing in your response to my post about what is occurring right now under Joe Biden's incompetent mis-governance on the Mexican American border where thousands of Covid 19 Variant infected illegal aliens have been allowed to cross over into my country and have then been transported at US taxpayers expense to every part of the country. This gross failure of leadership and rational decision making makes whatever shortcomings you claim Trump had in dealing with Covid in 2019 small in comparison especially when noted that back in November 2019, all the world's politicians including the leaders of the American Democratic Party, the leaders of Western European countries, Canada, Australia, and SE Asia did the same thing. To any honest person this truth is as clear as night and day. The only guilty party in all this is RED China for allowing the virus to get out of China after they knew it was deadly and infectious and of course Dr Fauci and his buddies who were responsible for partially funded the research at the Wuhan Lab and then covering it up.

But there is no point in discussing this with you any further. I know you are a Marcusian. Nothing more needs to be said. For example, I believe you honestly think that Jimmy Carter was a great President and defeated stagflation. The good news for you is that it looks like Joe Biden is following in Carter's footsteps. Your important work describing all the good things that are happening in America today and hiding the reality should be in high demand among your circle of political and economic pals. Good times!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2585712]As we all know, hindsight is 20/20. Sure, Trump could have banned flights from Europe, South Korea, and Thailand at the same time he banned flights from China. He could have enacted the flight ban from China a few weeks earlier than he did too. He didn't. No world leader did. Not the liberal Macron, not the liberal Merkel, not the conservative Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong of Singapore, not the Leaders of the Thai Government ect, ect and it is very safe to add that Hillary, Nancy, or Kamilla would not have banned Chinese flights earlier than Trump did either if at all.

To his credit, Trump succeeded in getting the Vaccines manufactured and ready for roll out in large numbers before any other country and that is something the American Left try as hard as they can to erase from history will never succeed in doing. Again, Macron, Merkel, the Japanese, the Koreans, the Singaporeans: NOBODY succeeded in getting the vaccine into large scale production ready for distribution as soon as the CDC and other governmental World Health Regulatory Organizations gave their approval except President Trump and therefore it is without a doubt that Hillary, Nancy, Kamilla or Uncle Joe would not have done it either. Without Trump the vaccine roll out in the USA would have resembled the roll out in Canada or Germany..[/QUOTE]#1. If dump did such a good job, why are the vast majority of unvaccinated Republicans refusing to get vaccinated? Because they're scared. They are scared that dump created lousy vaccines. And again, how are unvaccinated Mexicans different from unvaccinated dump supporters?

#2. So January 6th wasn't violent. Like I asked the canadian, were the cops who testified lying? If you say yes, then you hate cops.

#3. Inflation is happening worldwide. Do you really think dump's pandemic had something to do with that? Ever heard of supply-and-demand? So Biden is to blame for worldwide inflation?

#4. Another rethuglican talking point since [B]Critical Race Theory is not, repeat is not, repeat once more, is not, taught at the secondary-school-or-earlier[/B].

Nice try. Especially trying to convince us that dump's vaccines work since Fucker Carlson and the rest of the rightwingnut media says that the vaccines are crap. I really wish you rethuglicans would stop twisting yourselves into knots trying to defend the orange fruitcake.

P.S. We're not afraid that dump will run again and win. We're afraid he'll run again and lose. Because then the cockroaches will come out of the woodwork.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2585712]As we all know, hindsight is 20/20. Sure, Trump could have banned flights from Europe, South Korea, and Thailand at the same time he banned flights from China. He could have enacted the flight ban from China a few weeks earlier than he did too. He didn't. No world leader did. Not the liberal Macron, not the liberal Merkel, not the conservative Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong of Singapore, not the Leaders of the Thai Government ect, ect and it is very safe to add that Hillary, Nancy, or Kamilla would not have banned Chinese flights earlier than Trump did either if at all.

To his credit, Trump succeeded in getting the Vaccines manufactured and ready for roll out in large numbers before any other country and that is something the American Left try as hard as they can to erase from history will never succeed in doing. Again, Macron, Merkel, the Japanese, the Koreans, the Singaporeans: NOBODY succeeded in getting the vaccine into large scale production ready for distribution as soon as the CDC and other governmental World Health Regulatory Organizations gave their approval except President Trump and therefore it is without a doubt that Hillary, Nancy, Kamilla or Uncle Joe would not have done it either. Without Trump the vaccine roll out in the USA would have resembled the roll out in Canada or Germany.

Trump succeeded where no other political leader in the world did because he is a businessman and he knew that the only way to get the pharmaceuticals into early large scale production while their vaccines were still in the testing phase before obtaining government approval was with a billion dollar government purchase guarantee in case the vaccine did not pass the test phase. It was a tremendous gamble, and the Left would have been all over Trump if the vaccines had not eventually passed certification. But Trump took that risk and he deserves all the credit along with the Pfizer and Moderna Pharmaceutical companies for developing the vaccines in record time.

BTW, I received my 1st dose of the Moderna vaccine before Joe Biden was sworn into office. So please, no BS about Uncle Joe doing much of anything on this subject. The only positive thing that can be said about President Biden's role in all this is that his administration did not fuck up the roll out. Thanks' Uncle Joe. You the man!

But this is all water under the bridge. I understand the Left's reason to want to keep beating the Trump horse to death. They hate Trump beyond all reason plus they are deathly afraid he may run for President again and win. HA HA. Meanwhile, Uncle Joe is an incredibly weak President and Kamilla is generally disliked by all.

But if Trump did not do enough to curb the pandemic as you claim, then how can you defend Biden's open border policy? So far, at least 2 million illegal aliens have crossed the US-Mexico border since Biden became president of which an unknown, yet a statistically significant number of these illegals are carrying the active variant Covid 19 virus. This is 1 of 4 major factors that is going to sink the Woke Biden presidency.

#2 is the unrestrained violence surge in all Democratic one party controlled US cities.

#3 is Inflation & the Economy "stupid".

#4 is the shockingly radical, racist, Critical Race Theory being imposed on American school children against most parents wishes.

So, good Luck with all that. Better go back to Trump bashing. Is that still working for you guys?[/QUOTE]You're far too ignorant to have an opinion on politics and especially Critical Race Theory. Please stop spreading your bullshit.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2585900]You're far too ignorant to have an opinion on politics and especially Critical Race Theory. Please stop spreading your bullshit.[/QUOTE]That's a very thin skinned and erudite post there Sammy boy. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

After 4 straight years of turning Infrustructure Week into a sick joke, even when he had a greater number of members of his own Party in each House of Congress than Weak Uncle Joe has now, Trump never got significant bipartisan legislation on the issue this close to passage.

And, man, is the Worst Negotiator, Biggest Snowflake and Most Pathetic Sore Loser of All Time, Donald J. Trump, whining and crying about it! lol.

[B]Senate votes to advance infrastructure bill as Dems forge ahead with economic agenda[/B]
July 28,2021.
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/infrastructure-vote-senate-advances-bipartisan-bill.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]The Senate voted to push ahead with a bipartisan infrastructure plan, which will start the process of debating and amending the bill.
The plan is set to put $550 billion in new money into transportation, utilities and broadband.
Senators voted 67-32 to advance the bill; 17 Republicans and all 50 Democrats voted yes.
Democrats aim to pass the legislation along with a separate plan to invest in child care, paid leave, education and measures to curb climate change.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2585712]As we all know, hindsight is 20/20. Sure, Trump could have banned flights from Europe, South Korea, and Thailand at the same time he banned flights from China. He could have enacted the flight ban from China a few weeks earlier than he did too. He didn't. No world leader did. Not the liberal Macron, not the liberal Merkel, not the conservative Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong of Singapore, not the Leaders of the Thai Government ect, ect and it is very safe to add that Hillary, Nancy, or Kamilla would not have banned Chinese flights earlier than Trump did either if at all.

To his credit, Trump succeeded in getting the Vaccines manufactured and ready for roll out in large numbers before any other country and that is something the American Left try as hard as they can to erase from history will never succeed in doing. Again, Macron, Merkel, the Japanese, the Koreans, the Singaporeans: NOBODY succeeded in getting the vaccine into large scale production ready for distribution as soon as the CDC and other governmental World Health Regulatory Organizations gave their approval except President Trump and therefore it is without a doubt that Hillary, Nancy, Kamilla or Uncle Joe would not have done it either. Without Trump the vaccine roll out in the USA would have resembled the roll out in Canada or Germany.

Trump succeeded where no other political leader in the world did because he is a businessman and he knew that the only way to get the pharmaceuticals into early large scale production while their vaccines were still in the testing phase before obtaining government approval was with a billion dollar government purchase guarantee in case the vaccine did not pass the test phase. It was a tremendous gamble, and the Left would have been all over Trump if the vaccines had not eventually passed certification. But Trump took that risk and he deserves all the credit along with the Pfizer and Moderna Pharmaceutical companies for developing the vaccines in record time.
[/QUOTE]Great post. You are absolutely right on everything. The left here though does not want the truth. They cannot accept the fact that Biden is destroying America. So they just go back to bashing Trump. If they can't acknowledge the border crises, surge in crime and CRT you pretty much know they are losers that hate USA and probably on welfare just waiting for Biden next handout.

Slow down fella, the Senate compromise infrastructure bill is not law yet. Your radical left amigos have linked passage of it to their 3. 5 trillion Green New Deal bill that is still pending. "House Democrats, including Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), have said that they will not support the bipartisan Senate deal unless the Senate also passes a $3. 5 trillion bill on other "infrastructure" through the reconciliation process. The larger bill includes "green" policies, along with left-wing social spending priorities that Republicans rejected in negotiations."

As esteemed radical left Congressman Jamaal Bowman explains, "We were sent to Congress to transform lives. If the Senate fails to support a reconciliation package that meets the moment on climate and our care economy, I can't see myself supporting their goal of passing a bipartisan package for infrastructure."

And the always wonderfully radical and racist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez comments "A lot of times, "bipartisan agreements" are just as defined by who people in power agree to exclude than include."

So who knows if the bill will ever become law. I am not even sure that Nancy will allow a vote on it. But for the compromise infrastructure bill to pass the House it will need plenty House Republican Votes to make up for the radical left House members who vow to vote against it.

Stay tuned for fun and games.

[QUOTE=Canada;2585689]Read Biden 3.9 Trillion stimulus package when the finally finish it. Billions for amnesty for all the illegals, billions for CA failed high speed rail among others.[/QUOTE]Why don't you put your money where your mouth is? In other words, offer proof. The same type of proof you wanted Democrats to provide during impeachment trial number one.

But, as usual, you make blanket statements as if you have some inside information. But your musings are generally wrong.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2585478]Capitol Kops beg to differ. KKKanada was not there, but saw videos of the love fest, Capitol Cops waving in the smiling tourists there to watch the government in action. " My mind is made up. I won't be swayed by facts. I saw a video on YouTube of voting fraud. One can always trust what is on the internet, except that my mind can't handle the truth". [/QUOTE]Republicans continue to gaslight the Capital Police testimonies and gleefully wallow in nasty victim-blaming and even victim-mockery.

Shouldn't take to much for [i]KKKanda[/i] and [i]KKKris P#e[/i] to spin this and make a mockery of the Capital Police, just like their Foxy News ([b]Fucker KKKarlson [/b] and [b]Laura [/b][I]"shutup the hell up and get back in the kitchen and cook"[/I] [b]Ingraham[/b]) and rest of the Republican gaslighting flunkies.

Looking forward to their defense of the police and "blue lives matter", seeing as how many of these so called "blue lives matter" KKKops, were rioting and killing their very own capital police in the Jan 6th, Treasonous Insurrection.

[QUOTE=Canada;2585868]I did business in China for 15 years. I imported steel from China to USA for 10 years. Trump put 10% duties on 85% of China imports and 25% on some flat steel products. First thin China government did was to devalue their currency by 10% This made the products 10% cheaper and the USA companies paid 10% duty. USA buyers paid same amount for their steel and China manufacturers lost 10% of their profit. This hurt China and benefits the USA. I know because I was one of the USA companies purchasing.

This money was used to help the farmers because China retaliated by cutting imports of farmers products. So yes China paid the farmers. Not USA tax payers. Not the case with Biden giveaways though.[/QUOTE]Who paid import duties? American business, that's who. You said that above.

Which arm of the federal government collected those duties? The USCBP, that's who. You didn't say that but you know that's true too.

Once the money leaves the tariff-paying company and is collected by US Customs, it becomes "taxpayer money". Even the most doltish person understands that simple point.

The fact that Chinese companies lost profit means squat. Did any of those "lost profits" come into America?

The only thing that matters is that your initial comment that that dump's payments to farmers wasn't taxpayer money is patently false as I have demonstrated twice! But I get where you're going. You are undoubtedly convinced that Mexico paid for the wall.

In all probability, Trump pulled this horrifically disastrous stunt because Obama and then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were involved in further developing that CDC pandemic prevention monitoring program in China.

[B]Trump administration ended pandemic early-warning program to detect coronaviruses[/B]
April 2, 2020.
[URL]https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-02/coronavirus-trump-pandemic-program-viruses-detection[/URL]
[QUOTE]Two months before the novel coronavirus is thought to have begun its deadly advance in Wuhan, China, the Trump administration ended a $200-million pandemic early-warning program aimed at training scientists in China and other countries to detect and respond to such a threat.

The project, launched by the U.S. Agency for International Development in 2009, identified 1,200 different viruses that had the potential to erupt into pandemics, including more than 160 novel coronaviruses. The initiative, called PREDICT, also trained and supported staff in 60 foreign laboratories including the Wuhan lab that identified SARS-CoV-2, the new coronavirus that causes COVID-19.[/QUOTE]Luckily, another President had already laid the groundwork and drew the roadmap on producing vaccines to deal with worldwide health crises like Trump's Pandemic at "warp speed."

[B]Obama's science advisors outline plan for faster pandemic vaccine[/B]
Aug. 19, 2020.
[URL]https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2010/08/obamas-science-advisors-outline-plan-faster-pandemic-vaccine[/URL]
[quote]Aug 19, 2010 (CIDRAP News) In light of vaccine production problems that delayed the delivery of the pandemic H1 N1 vaccine, a report by President Barack Obama's science advisers released today said targeted investments in five specific areas could trim the time needed to quickly produce enough to protect the nation by weeks or months.

The President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology (PCAST) said if federal officials follow the roadmap, within 1 to 3 years the country will be in a better position to more quickly speed production of a pandemic vaccine as well as medical countermeasures against other diseases or bioterrorism attacks. The five key areas, as well as longer-term goals, are included in an 87-page report that appears on the PCAST Web site. [/quote].

I chime in from time to time when I read logical fallacies by the right wing sex addicts here, calling me a Democrat. Amerika has but one religion, and that is capitalism. Those who feel that they are causing heat," sticking it to liberals, snowflakes, libtards" are tiny repetitive crybabies taking a break from writing previous Penthouse Letters to ISG. I ask for the "beef", something substantive to prove their point and read only more rabid spewing of generalizations. Yes, Fat Nixon took on China for its theft of intellectual property etc. But in a jingoistic and uncoordinated way. Let common sense prevail.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2586004]Slow down fella, the Senate compromise infrastructure bill is not law yet. Your radical left amigos have linked passage of it to their 3. 5 trillion Green New Deal bill that is still pending. "House Democrats, including Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), have said that they will not support the bipartisan Senate deal unless the Senate also passes a $3. 5 trillion bill on other "infrastructure" through the reconciliation process. The larger bill includes "green" policies, along with left-wing social spending priorities that Republicans rejected in negotiations."

As esteemed radical left Congressman Jamaal Bowman explains, "We were sent to Congress to transform lives. If the Senate fails to support a reconciliation package that meets the moment on climate and our care economy, I can't see myself supporting their goal of passing a bipartisan package for infrastructure."

And the always wonderfully radical and racist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez comments "A lot of times, "bipartisan agreements" are just as defined by who people in power agree to exclude than include."

So who knows if the bill will ever become law. I am not even sure that Nancy will allow a vote on it. But for the compromise infrastructure bill to pass the House it will need plenty House Republican Votes to make up for the radical left House members who vow to vote against it.

Stay tuned for fun and games.[/QUOTE]That is why I said Trump's infrastructure legislation never "got this close to passage." Snowflake Repubs are perfectly apt to pull their votes for crititcal legislation even as late as the last minutes on the day the vote is taken, if anyone says anything that hurts their widdow feefees.

As a handful of House Repubs did on September 29, 2008, reversing their Yes votes to pass the TARP bill to No at the very last minute and thereby triggering the easily predictable resultant panic selloff in the stock market and plunging worldwide economies into paralyses, otherwise known as The Great Repub Crash and Recession of 2008. And that Great Repub Crash and Recession did not begin to reverse course until Obama-Biden, Pelosi, Reid, the Dems and NO Repubs passed the American Recovery and Re-investment Act of 2009.

Then, of course, what followed was one of the longest USA economic recoveries and expansions, month over month jobs creation and Stock Market Bull Runs of all time.

In fact, the one thing about this next significant economic legislation Biden and the Dems have been working on that worries me about its potential effectiveness to produce stallar results is that some Repubs are showing signs of supporting it with their votes.

Clinton and his Dems' Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 and Obama and his Dems' American Recovery and Re-investment Act of 2009 were two of the greatest USA economic expansion, USA jobs creation and Stock Market Bull Run-producing pieces of legislation ever passed and neither of them got a single Repub vote. Naturally.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2585911]That's a very thin skinned and erudite post there Sammy boy. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.[/QUOTE]You should be careful about using big words of whose meaning you're clueless.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2586083]Who paid import duties? American business, that's who. You said that above.

Which arm of the federal government collected those duties? The USCBP, that's who. You didn't say that but you know that's true too.

Once the money leaves the tariff-paying company and is collected by US Customs, it becomes "taxpayer money". Even the most doltish person understands that simple point.

The fact that Chinese companies lost profit means squat. Did any of those "lost profits" come into America?

The only thing that matters is that your initial comment that that dump's payments to farmers wasn't taxpayer money is patently false as I have demonstrated twice! But I get where you're going. You are undoubtedly convinced that Mexico paid for the wall.[/QUOTE]Perfect answer from a liberal welfare recipient who never had a business or never did international business. What a loser.

[QUOTE=Canada;2585864]Nobody is taking this Pelosi dog and pony show seriously. Everyone knows it is a sham.[/QUOTE]Where did I hear something like that?

Well, right here, I think (I censored a certain word).

Written Statement of Harry A. Dunn Private First Class USA Capitol Police.

Hearing Before the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol.

USA House of Representatives.

January 27,2021.

[QUOTE]More and more insurrectionists were pouring into the area by the Speakers Lobby near the Rotunda, some wearing MAGA hats and shirts that said Trump 2020. I told them to leave the Capitol, and in response, they yelled back: No, no, man, this is our house! President Trump invited us here! Were here to stop the steal! Joe Biden is not the President! [b]Nobody voted for Joe Biden![/b]

I am a law enforcement officer, and I keep politics out of my job. But in this circumstance, I responded: Well, I voted for Joe Biden. Does my vote not count? Am I nobody?

That prompted a torrent of racial epithets. One woman in a pink MAGA shirt yelled, You hear that, guys, this n***** voted for Joe Biden! Then the crowd, perhaps around twenty
people, joined in, screaming Boo! Fucking N*****!

No one had ever ever -- called me a n***** while wearing the uniform of a Capitol Police officer. In the days following the attempted insurrection, other black officers shared with
me their own stories of racial abuse on January 6. One officer told me he had never, in his entire forty years of life, been called a n***** to his face, and that that streak ended on January 6.
[/QUOTE]I have some news for you.

You are not "EVERYONE," and your opponents are not "NO ONE" as you allowed yourself to believe in your delusional fantasies. Your opponents are the majority of grown up Americans who kicked your cult leader to the curb because, guess what, they know better.

[QUOTE=Canada;2586003]The left here though does not want the truth. <snip> If they can't acknowledge the border crises, surge in crime and CRT you pretty much know they are losers that hate USA and probably on welfare just waiting for Biden next handout.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely correct. There is no point in engaging with people who are so lost that they can not acknowledge the truth even when it is standing right in front of them. There are a few real haters on this web site. These guys are obsessed with spreading Leftist propaganda, BLM-Atifia talking points, and attacking anyone who disagrees with their ideology. They never post about girls and having a good time. The internet is crawling with these low life reptiles from both sides of the political spectrum because it tends to bring out the worst in people.

But a reckoning is coming. I know a lot of people in the real world especially college educated, 30 to 40 year old, affluent women who voted for Uncle Joe because they disliked Trump's abrasive personality even though they appreciated his accomplishments in office. These suburban independent and in many cases classically liberal women most certainly did not vote for this radical, neo Marxist, racist agenda which now dominates the Biden Administration and the Democratic Party in the House and Senate. The radicals overplayed their hands, Uncle Joe has no idea what is going on, and the Left is getting more and more desperate as 2022 nears. Look out for a lot more fireworks and civil strife before the Left are defeated in the next election.

Sammy Boy, you need to get laid.

Natty honey, KKKanada. Fox new has invaded your brains. Every time the homies bombard you with irrefutable facts, you spew right wing talking points. Why not just post links to One Amerikka Propaganda or Tukkker Kkkarlson. What went wrong with Tuckkk anyway? He had a good education from the Communists at Trinity College. Instead of ranting, take your opponents' arguments apart, point by point, proving they are wrong. That's what they are doing to you.

[QUOTE=Canada;2586144]Perfect answer from a liberal welfare recipient who never had a business or never did international business. What a loser.[/QUOTE]This is exactly how I expected you to respond.

You made a false statement. I destroyed it point-by-point. You persisted in your false statement. I destroyed your false statement a second time.

But, instead of taking the adult approach and refuting what I said point-by-point, you respond with third-grade name calling. But that's what you fascists do. You spout off and repeat the party line and then, when you get called out, you just repeat the same hogwash. You have no idea what the party line means, of course, and that's why you can't speak about it intelligently.

After that, your arguments devolve into childish name calling like "liberal welfare recipient" and "loser". There's a psychological term for what you do called [B]projection[/B] Look it up. BTW, dump was excellent at it.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2586205]You are absolutely correct. There is no point in engaging with people who are so lost that they can not acknowledge the truth even when it is standing right in front of them. There are a few real haters on this web site. These guys are obsessed with spreading Leftist propaganda, BLM-Atifia talking points, and attacking anyone who disagrees with their ideology. They never post about girls and having a good time. The internet is crawling with these low life reptiles from both sides of the political spectrum because it tends to bring out the worst in people.

But a reckoning is coming. I know a lot of people in the real world especially college educated, 30 to 40 year old, affluent women who voted for Uncle Joe because they disliked Trump's abrasive personality even though they appreciated his accomplishments in office. These suburban independent and in many cases classically liberal women most certainly did not vote for this radical, neo Marxist, racist agenda which now dominates the Biden Administration and the Democratic Party in the House and Senate. The radicals overplayed their hands, Uncle Joe has no idea what is going on, and the Left is getting more and more desperate as 2022 nears. Look out for a lot more fireworks and civil strife before the Left are defeated in the next election.[/QUOTE]Hi Natty and Canada. Biden and Harris are making history as the dumbest duo ever to inhabit the White House.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2586256]Natty honey, KKKanada. Fox new has invaded your brains. Every time the homies bombard you with irrefutable facts, you spew right wing talking points. Why not just post links to One Amerikka Propaganda or Tukkker Kkkarlson. What went wrong with Tuckkk anyway? He had a good education from the Communists at Trinity College. Instead of ranting, take your opponents' arguments apart, point by point, proving they are wrong. That's what they are doing to you.[/QUOTE]It is very difficult to provide facts when fake news will not report the facts and Google is blocking almost all news from democrat states failures. Fox News reports the news both good and bad. Fake news does not report the bad news but instead is still trying to include Trump in their news.

Refute this:

Democrats are defunding police and several USA cities have lost over 30% of their officers. Crime and murders are up to record levels. Democrat cities are not safe anymore because they protect the criminals and honest innocent citizens are the victims.

In democrat cities shoplifting or stealing is not a crime. Democrats can walk into stores and steal what they want and walk out with no consequences. Name one other country that you can do this in?

Democrats honor a criminal that is shot by police but cheer when an officer is killed by criminals. Democrats ignore innocent children 18 months old, 4 years old, 10 years old being killed every day. These lives don't matter to democrats. Democrats wear shirts that glorifies killing police.

Fake news and Biden ignore these issues. You can only hear it on Fox News and conservative newscasts. Liberals were refute this and say it is not happening or they will just ignore it. The idiots here will ignore it or pull up some fake news report from a liberal site refuting it.

America deserves better. You know, I know it and everyone knows it. Some people just aren't smart enough to admit it.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2586094]I chime in from time to time when I read logical fallacies by the right wing sex addicts here, calling me a Democrat. Amerika has but one religion, and that is capitalism. Those who feel that they are causing heat," sticking it to liberals, snowflakes, libtards" are tiny repetitive crybabies taking a break from writing previous Penthouse Letters to ISG. I ask for the "beef", something substantive to prove their point and read only more rabid spewing of generalizations. Yes, Fat Nixon took on China for its theft of intellectual property etc. But in a jingoistic and uncoordinated way. Let common sense prevail.[/QUOTE]Common sense with a communist country. That is your solution! Communists think different than a free country. Their common sense and Republican common sense are totally different. Possibly Biden left wing politics and a communist country can think alike and solve the issues with common sense because they think alike. But the problem is most Americans don't want us to have the same common sense as communists. Look at Cuba. Biden supports Cuban government and does nothing waiting for common sense. Cubans suffer. Do you really think every country hates capitalism and prosperity? Do you really think every country wants to be dependent on the government? America wants to be free.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2585883]ET, it is always entertaining to see how you bring up non sequiturs in your talking points in order to skate around an issue and obfuscate the truth. Case in point: "Uncle Joe would (not) have radically cut the CDC budget, pulled our monitoring representatives out of the Chinese labs and effectively dismantled our Pandemic Prevention and Response systems against all expert advice and despite specific warnings about doing such a thing likely leading to exactly the outcome it led to as early as 2018, more than a year before those warnings proved correct."

Excuse me, but wasn't it the American Left's favorite boy Dr. Fauci, the preeminent medical expert on Corona diseases who secretly oversaw the funding of change of function research in the Wuhan Lab where Covid 19 pathogens escaped from in the first place? And did it never occur to you that maybe Dr. Fauci lied to Trump in early November & December 2019 to cover up his complicity. Look man, you keep trying to put the blame on Trump when the real blame goes to the Chinese Government who knew sooner than anyone what had happened, locked down all their cities in draconian fashion, but allowed their nationals to get on planes and infect the world. The Chinese Communist Government did that not Trump.

But you don't want to talk about reality or what is really going on now. Any reality that would hold the Chinese Communist Government responsible for the worst pandemic outbreak since the Spanish Flu is a no-go zone for you. Oh no. That is why you try to obfuscate issue.

Another case in point: I could not help but notice how you said nothing in your response to my post about what is occurring right now under Joe Biden's incompetent mis-governance on the Mexican American border where thousands of Covid 19 Variant infected illegal aliens have been allowed to cross over into my country and have then been transported at US taxpayers expense to every part of the country. This gross failure of leadership and rational decision making makes whatever shortcomings you claim Trump had in dealing with Covid in 2019 small in comparison especially when noted that back in November 2019, all the world's politicians including the leaders of the American Democratic Party, the leaders of Western European countries, Canada, Australia, and SE Asia did the same thing. To any honest person this truth is as clear as night and day. The only guilty party in all this is RED China for allowing the virus to get out of China after they knew it was deadly and infectious and of course Dr Fauci and his buddies who were responsible for partially funded the research at the Wuhan Lab and then covering it up.

But there is no point in discussing this with you any further. I know you are a Marcusian. Nothing more needs to be said. For example, I believe you honestly think that Jimmy Carter was a great President and defeated stagflation. The good news for you is that it looks like Joe Biden is following in Carter's footsteps. Your important work describing all the good things that are happening in America today and hiding the reality should be in high demand among your circle of political and economic pals. Good times![/QUOTE]Natty, the reason I didn't address the issues you are hand-wringing worried about is because they either don't exist and have already been thoroughly debunked by others here or they are virtually irrelevant to the economy or national security.

Case in point; "Biden's border crisis!"

What "border crisis"?

Has there been an alarming spike in violent crime committed by newly arriving undocumented immigrants?

I have not seen evidence of greater spread of Trump's Pandemic virus in USA border states. It is largely happening in Red States like DeSantis' Florida, again the coronovirus epicenter of the universe and racking up as many new cases per day in just that one state as the entire country of Thailand.

Is there evidence that these undocumented immigrants are damaging the Biden/Dem economic recovery from the latest Great Repub Crash and Recession? Where? How? It can't be that they are taking jobs away from USA citizens. Despite the millions of USA jobs Trump's economic decisions destroyed, in many cases there are more jobs available during the Biden/Dem recovery than there are applicants to take them.

Btw, Fauci? Lol. You've got to be kidding. There is no evidence that Fauci did what you stated. However, when he first opined it was not so important or necessary to wear a mask, he had been lied to by Trump about the intel Trump already had about the virulence of the virus. You know, "There is 1 case out of China, 15 cases here and soon.those 15 will be close to zero." There is plenty of evidence that Fauci was lied to by Trump, as was almost everyone else on the planet, but no evidence that Trump was lied to by Fauci.

As has been pointed out, rather than simply accusing me or someone else of "obfuscating the truth", why not post a link to some kind of report that refutes the linked reports I posted? If you can't because there aren't any, well, I guess you're just blowing smoke.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2585883]
...
But there is no point in discussing this with you any further. I know you are a Marcusian. Nothing more needs to be said. For example, I believe you honestly think that Jimmy Carter was a great President and defeated stagflation. The good news for you is that it looks like Joe Biden is following in Carter's footsteps. Your important work describing all the good things that are happening in America today and hiding the reality should be in high demand among your circle of political and economic pals. Good times![/QUOTE]Stagflation? Talk about non sequiturs. Natty, until this post I don't recall ever typing the word "stagflation" on this site.

Maybe you are thinking of "hyper-inflation", the double-digit kind that Carter's appointed Fed Chairman, Paul Volker, tackled and defeated starting in late 1979. The defeat that Ronald Reagan falsely took credit for in his 1984 "Morning in America" re-election ads since he wasn't the president who appointed Paul Volker in late 1979 knowing full well what he would have to do to defeat hyper-inflation and, therefore, Reagan wasn't the president who shouldered the heavy lifting and assumed all the political risk to defeat it.

Carter was.

Yeah, I have posted about that before.

[B]Fed Funds Rate History: Its Highs, Lows, and Charts[/B]
Updated July 29, 2021
[URL]https://www.thebalance.com/fed-funds-rate-history-highs-lows-3306135[/URL]
[QUOTE]Federal Reserve chair Paul Volcker ended the Fed's stop-go policy in [b]1979[/b]. He raised rates and kept them there to finally end inflation. That created the 1980 recession, but [b]it thoroughly ended double-digit inflation, which hasn't been a threat since.[/b][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2586442]Natty, the reason I didn't address the issues you are hand-wringing worried about is because they either don't exist and have already been thoroughly debunked by others here or they are virtually irrelevant to the economy or national security.

Case in point; "Biden's border crisis!"

What "border crisis"?

Has there been an alarming spike in violent crime committed by newly arriving undocumented immigrants?
[/QUOTE]You are conflating the 2 issues. I think on purpose because you are obviously not unintelligent nor uneducated.

The open border: 1) the only reason the left wants an open border, insists on an open border, is that the Party Leaders desperately need a massive influx of new votes to achieve the ultimate objective of a nonviolent takeover of the United States of America and the establishment of a one-party socialist state. You know this, I know this, everyone with a functioning brain knows this, so cut the BS. 2) Because of this overwhelming compulsion to establish this socialist one-party state the Democrats in the White House and Congress and their partners and co-conspirators in the corporate media are willing to overlook the fact that thousands of these illegal immigrants currently crossing the border into the USA have the Covid 19 variant. This says everything you need to know concerning what is important to the neo-Marxists totalitarians and you for that matter because you ignore this disaster in all your posts.

The 2nd issue is the rampant increase in violent crime in all Democratic Party controlled major American cities. Roughly 80% of these violent crimes are Black on Black and therefore to do anything meaningful to reduce the violent crime in these areas would require refunding the police departments, restoring stop, ask, and frisk laws, and putting Black violent criminals in prisons which is something the Left is unwilling to do. So violent crime will continue to rise in all American cities as the incompetent, politically correct, Leftist mayors and governors will make more speeches on racism, gun control and how terrible it is to have licensed legal gun ownership in America IE the 2nd Amendment. It is all BS because the Left for strictly political reasons can not & will not admit who commits the highest percentage of violent crimes in American cities even though the victims of these violent crimes are predominately innocent Black Americans. Again, this says everything you need to know concerning what is important to the neo-Marxists totalitarians and you for that matter because you ignore this American disaster in all your posts.

I presume you will post a lengthy comeback position ignoring the crux of my post. That's fine. I wouldn't dream of suppressing your freedom of speech or thought the way your Antifa, BLM bully boys are salivating to suppress my freedoms, but frankly as a long time fellow BKK punter and lover of Thai girls, there is nothing more you and I can say to one another on American Politics as long as you support open borders, rampant violent crime in American cities, and the 3rd issue; CRT indoctrination of American children in schools.

Sawasdee Krab,

NB.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2586442]Natty, the reason I didn't address the issues you are hand-wringing worried about is because they either don't exist and have already been thoroughly debunked by others here or they are virtually irrelevant to the economy or national security.

Case in point; "Biden's border crisis!"

What "border crisis"?

Has there been an alarming spike in violent crime committed by newly arriving undocumented immigrants?

I have not seen evidence of greater spread of Trump's Pandemic virus in USA border states. It is largely happening in Red States like DeSantis' Florida, again the coronovirus epicenter of the universe and racking up as many new cases per day in just that one state as the entire country of Thailand.

Is there evidence that these undocumented immigrants are damaging the Biden/Dem economic recovery from the latest Great Repub Crash and Recession? Where? How? It can't be that they are taking jobs away from USA citizens. Despite the millions of USA jobs Trump's economic decisions destroyed, in many cases there are more jobs available during the Biden/Dem recovery than there are applicants to take them.

Btw, Fauci? Lol. You've got to be kidding. There is no evidence that Fauci did what you stated. However, when he first opined it was not so important or necessary to wear a mask, he had been lied to by Trump about the intel Trump already had about the virulence of the virus. You know, "There is 1 case out of China, 15 cases here and soon.those 15 will be close to zero." There is plenty of evidence that Fauci was lied to by Trump, as was almost everyone else on the planet, but no evidence that Trump was lied to by Fauci..[/QUOTE]He will say that the articles that support his position exist but Google and the rest of "big tech" are purposely not showing those articles on their search engines.

On one hand, "the articles don't exist" versus, on the other hand, "there a vast left wing conspiracy to hide relevant pro-dump articles from the public." Occam's Razor, folks. Occam's Razor!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2586442]Natty, the reason I didn't address the issues you are hand-wringing worried about is because they either don't exist and have already been thoroughly debunked by others here or they are virtually irrelevant to the economy or national security.

Case in point; "Biden's border crisis!"

What "border crisis"?

Has there been an alarming spike in violent crime committed by newly arriving undocumented immigrants?

I have not seen evidence of greater spread of Trump's Pandemic virus in USA border states. It is largely happening in Red States like DeSantis' Florida, again the coronovirus epicenter of the universe and racking up as many new cases per day in just that one state as the entire country of Thailand.

Is there evidence that these undocumented immigrants are damaging the Biden/Dem economic recovery from the latest Great Repub Crash and Recession? Where? How? It can't be that they are taking jobs away from USA citizens. Despite the millions of USA jobs Trump's economic decisions destroyed, in many cases there are more jobs available during the Biden/Dem recovery than there are applicants to take them..[/QUOTE]Yes there is evidence that their is criminal activity at the border. Sex trafficking is at all time high. Drugs crossing border at record levels. Border agents attacked. Hotels at the border full of Covid illegals that are going to fast food places and walking the streets spreading Covid. Texas and California Covid numbers increasing. 30% of illegals tested have Covid. They are travelling to other states on buses spreading it to other states. 2,000,000 illegals crossed the border under Biden. They are provided hotel, food, bus tickets. These are uneducated illegals that will mostly end up on welfare, sex workers or selling drugs on the streets. Money that is being spent on illegals could be used to help the American poor and the homeless but Biden and the democrats don't care about these people.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2586502]You are conflating the 2 issues. I think on purpose because you are obviously not unintelligent nor uneducated.

The open border: 1) the only reason the left wants an open border, insists on an open border, is that the Party Leaders desperately need a massive influx of new votes to achieve the ultimate objective of a nonviolent takeover of the United States of America and the establishment of a one-party socialist state. You know this, I know this, everyone with a functioning brain knows this, so cut the BS. 2) Because of this overwhelming compulsion to establish this socialist one-party state the Democrats in the White House and Congress and their partners and co-conspirators in the corporate media are willing to overlook the fact that thousands of these illegal immigrants currently crossing the border into the USA have the Covid 19 variant. This says everything you need to know concerning what is important to the neo-Marxists totalitarians and you for that matter because you ignore this disaster in all your posts..[/QUOTE]Great post. But be prepared for backlash. The left hate the truth and your post is the truth so be prepared.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2586316]This is exactly how I expected you to respond.

You made a false statement. I destroyed it point-by-point. You persisted in your false statement. I destroyed your false statement a second time.

But, instead of taking the adult approach and refuting what I said point-by-point, you respond with third-grade name calling. But that's what you fascists do. You spout off and repeat the party line and then, when you get called out, you just repeat the same hogwash. You have no idea what the party line means, of course, and that's why you can't speak about it intelligently.

After that, your arguments devolve into childish name calling like "liberal welfare recipient" and "loser". There's a psychological term for what you do called [B]projection[/B] Look it up. BTW, dump was excellent at it.[/QUOTE]This seems to rinse and repeat at least a couple of times on every recent page of this thread.

Parrots Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Canada;2586525]Yes there is evidence that their is criminal activity at the border. Sex trafficking is at all time high. Drugs crossing border at record levels. Border agents attacked. Hotels at the border full of Covid illegals that are going to fast food places and walking the streets spreading Covid. Texas and California Covid numbers increasing. 30% of illegals tested have Covid. They are travelling to other states on buses spreading it to other states. 2,000,000 illegals crossed the border under Biden. They are provided hotel, food, bus tickets. These are uneducated illegals that will mostly end up on welfare, sex workers or selling drugs on the streets. Money that is being spent on illegals could be used to help the American poor and the homeless but Biden and the democrats don't care about these people.[/QUOTE]You [B]always[/B] say that there's evidence but you never post any. Why is that?

How is an unvaccinated illegal with COVID different from an unvaccinated dumper with COVID? Dumpers don't travel?

If they are "uneducated illegals that will end up on welfare, etc", how does that square with your previous statements that they are here to take US jobs? Which jobs? Sex worker jobs? Jobs picking fruits and vegetables? You want to have everything both ways. They are either uneducated or they're not! If they are, then they can't take the jobs that Americans don't want. If they are educated, then calling them uneducated is a lie.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2586560]You [B]always[/B] say that there's evidence but you never post any. Why is that?

How is an unvaccinated illegal with COVID different from an unvaccinated dumper with COVID? Dumpers don't travel?

If they are "uneducated illegals that will end up on welfare, etc", how does that square with your previous statements that they are here to take US jobs? Which jobs? Sex worker jobs? Jobs picking fruits and vegetables? You want to have everything both ways. They are either uneducated or they're not! If they are, then they can't take the jobs that Americans don't want. If they are educated, then calling them uneducated is a lie.[/QUOTE]Don't try and reason with them. They are too far gone. The purpose of their trolling is autostimulation. I believe it is a mistake to engage with them in any manner.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2586316]This is exactly how I expected you to respond.

You made a false statement. I destroyed it point-by-point. You persisted in your false statement. I destroyed your false statement a second time.

But, instead of taking the adult approach and refuting what I said point-by-point, you respond with third-grade name calling. But that's what you fascists do. You spout off and repeat the party line and then, when you get called out, you just repeat the same hogwash. You have no idea what the party line means, of course, and that's why you can't speak about it intelligently.

After that, your arguments devolve into childish name calling like "liberal welfare recipient" and "loser". There's a psychological term for what you do called [B]projection[/B] Look it up. BTW, dump was excellent at it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2586557]This seems to rinse and repeat at least a couple of times on every recent page of this thread.

Parrots Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Yep! It all a matter of guessing which "cycle" they are on. I think they're just stuck on "spin" cycle. ...kkkk

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2586569]Don't try and reason with them. They are too far gone. The purpose of their trolling is autostimulation. I believe it is a mistake to engage with them in any manner.[/QUOTE]John Clayton said don't try and reason with them. Reason is democrats can't reason with people who have common sense. They said Trump was too slow to react to Covid and now Biden has had the chance to learn from Trump but he blazes away a new trail on Covid restrictions.

Border to Canada is closed so no vaccinated Canadians can enter our country to keep USA citizens safe.

Border from Mexico is open to illegals that aren't vaccinated with about 30% of them actually getting Covid.

2,000,000 unvaccinated illegals entering USA travelling on buses and planes to several states.

Now USA has a Covid surge so we must get all USA citizens to start wearing masks. Illegals are except.

Is there one democrat here with common sense that we can reason with?

Is there one democrat here that can explain why 100 vaccinated people can enter the USA legally but 2,000,000 unvaccinated illegals can enter and it is not a threat to Covid super spreading?

I realize democrats can't reason with common sense but there has to be one that is smart enough to admit this might be a Covid problem.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2586560]You [B]always[/B] say that there's evidence but you never post any. Why is that?

How is an unvaccinated illegal with COVID different from an unvaccinated dumper with COVID? Dumpers don't travel?

If they are "uneducated illegals that will end up on welfare, etc", how does that square with your previous statements that they are here to take US jobs? Which jobs? Sex worker jobs? Jobs picking fruits and vegetables? You want to have everything both ways. They are either uneducated or they're not! If they are, then they can't take the jobs that Americans don't want. If they are educated, then calling them uneducated is a lie.[/QUOTE]There are as many unvaccinated democrats as Republicans. Unvaccinated illegals are not wearing masks and several have Covid. They can't take jobs from Americans because employers can't hire them legally. As per laws by Obama. They will have to be sex workers, join gangs, sell drugs or work for some illegal employers. You claim they are coming to pick vegetables but you have not provided any proof of this. Show me where these 2,000,000 are picking vegetables. Show me the jobs they are taking that Americans won't do. You made these statements so prove it. I can prove that illegals can't work legally in the USA.

Where have we heard that before? The, I agree that the dynamic duo in the White House is substandard, but look at the pile of crap left for them to deal with by the great businessman who alone could fix it, but didn't? You trolls don't understand "nuance", but as W said, "even the French Don't have a word for that". There are plenty of ISG members who have destroyed your arguments. But in your mind that makes them the dreaded "communists". The CCP call themselves communists, but they are brutal thugs presiding over an opaque capitalist system called "socialism with Chinese characteristics. You failed to critically study history, but that can be partially blamed on educational systems, but you can overcome that gap with further study. Come back and see us when you have more knowledge, instead of spewing venom because of your grievances against people who "don't belong here" You can not define me. I define myself with my own words.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2586502]You are conflating the 2 issues. I think on purpose because you are obviously not unintelligent nor uneducated.

The open border: 1) the only reason the left wants an open border, insists on an open border, is that the Party Leaders desperately need a massive influx of new votes to achieve the ultimate objective of a nonviolent takeover of the United States of America and the establishment of a one-party socialist state. You know this, I know this, everyone with a functioning brain knows this, so cut the BS. 2) Because of this overwhelming compulsion to establish this socialist one-party state the Democrats in the White House and Congress and their partners and co-conspirators in the corporate media are willing to overlook the fact that thousands of these illegal immigrants currently crossing the border into the USA have the Covid 19 variant. This says everything you need to know concerning what is important to the neo-Marxists totalitarians and you for that matter because you ignore this disaster in all your posts.

The 2nd issue is the rampant increase in violent crime in all Democratic Party controlled major American cities. Roughly 80% of these violent crimes are Black on Black and therefore to do anything meaningful to reduce the violent crime in these areas would require refunding the police departments, restoring stop, ask, and frisk laws, and putting Black violent criminals in prisons which is something the Left is unwilling to do. So violent crime will continue to rise in all American cities as the incompetent, politically correct, Leftist mayors and governors will make more speeches on racism, gun control and how terrible it is to have licensed legal gun ownership in America IE the 2nd Amendment. It is all BS because the Left for strictly political reasons can not & will not admit who commits the highest percentage of violent crimes in American cities even though the victims of these violent crimes are predominately innocent Black Americans. Again, this says everything you need to know concerning what is important to the neo-Marxists totalitarians and you for that matter because you ignore this American disaster in all your posts.

I presume you will post a lengthy comeback position ignoring the crux of my post. That's fine. I wouldn't dream of suppressing your freedom of speech or thought the way your Antifa, BLM bully boys are salivating to suppress my freedoms, but frankly as a long time fellow BKK punter and lover of Thai girls, there is nothing more you and I can say to one another on American Politics as long as you support open borders, rampant violent crime in American cities, and the 3rd issue; CRT indoctrination of American children in schools.

Sawasdee Krab,

NB.[/QUOTE]Natty, again, you have joined the "What links? What proof? We don't need any stinking proof! We just need to say it!" crowd here who has no proof or evidence to support your position.

In this case, I can see that illegals crossing the border really, really bugs you. But until you can show me that what is happening at the border is creating a "crisis" in the USA economy or producing grave damage to national security I am not going to share your hand-wringing, teeth gnashing worry about it. I realize it is "something" to pay attention to. But it can and should go way down the list of things for me to, say, base a precious vote on.

For example, I would much rather vote against the next Great Repub Crash, Recession and "Once in 100 Years Disaster!", a REAL threat to the economy and national security, which all historical evidence clearly shows is what will very likely happen if and when a Repub occupies the White House and/or has majority control of Congress than base my vote on some imaginary and unsubstantiated threat to myself, my friends, my family, my country or my money like this made up "crisis!" regarding dark skinned people crossing the border.

[QUOTE=Canada;2586525]Yes there is evidence that their is criminal activity at the border. Sex trafficking is at all time high. Drugs crossing border at record levels. Border agents attacked. Hotels at the border full of Covid illegals that are going to fast food places and walking the streets spreading Covid. Texas and California Covid numbers increasing. 30% of illegals tested have Covid. They are travelling to other states on buses spreading it to other states. 2,000,000 illegals crossed the border under Biden. They are provided hotel, food, bus tickets. These are uneducated illegals that will mostly end up on welfare, sex workers or selling drugs on the streets. Money that is being spent on illegals could be used to help the American poor and the homeless but Biden and the democrats don't care about these people.[/QUOTE]You titled your post "[B]Evidence[/B]" and then provided zero evidence of anything you wrote in the post.

Well, I certainly can't prove my point any better than you already have. So I'll cut this one short right here👌.
Thanks.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2586661]In this case, I can see that illegals crossing the border really, really bugs you. But until you can show me that what is happening at the border is creating a "crisis" in the USA economy or producing grave damage to national security I am not going to share your hand-wringing, teeth gnashing worry about it. I realize it is "something" to pay attention to. But it can and should go way down the list of things for me to, say, base a precious vote on.[/QUOTE]OK, here is the latest Covid-19 ICE Detanee Statistics dated July 23, 2021. Keep in mind this report documents only those illegal immigrants held in detention. The total number of Covid positive illegals that have entered the USA is much higher and unknown which should concern you and any other clear thinking American citizen.

[URL]https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2021/07/28/illegal-aliens-in-ice-facilities-have-approx-29-times-the-covid-19-active-infection-rate-as-the-us-population-illegals-likely-seeding-new-covid-spread/[/URL]

Meanwhile vaccinated US citizens like myself must present a negative Covid 19 PCR test taken within 72 hours of an airplane departure from a foreign country like Brazil or Costa Rica in order to reenter the USA.

Here is another link: [URL]https://archive.is/xlCAl[/URL].

So the bottom line is: "The active Covid-19 infection rate at ICE facilities is 5%, based on their statistics. Much of this is currently concentrated in Texas facilities.

Based on the information available from the CDC and US Census, we estimate the active Covid-19 infection rate nationwide as 0.17%.

So, the illegal aliens within the ICE facilities have approximately 29 times the rate as the country as a whole.

This provides support to the probability that illegal migrants are seeding Covid-19 throughout the country, which is common sense. ICE facility workers could spread it from the facilities back to the general population, and the majority of illegal migrants are not even within facilities, but are at large, seeded amongst the general population.

The rise in Covid-19 throughout the United States followed Biden's border surge. While this could still be a spurious correlation, that is impossible to believe. Covid-19 was dying down within the United States, and the new variant was imported from somewhere. Of course, a Nigerian recently imported monkey pox through air travel, apparently after returning home."

Courts have just over turned previous ruling and now dude's taxes will be made available.

So what will they show? Agent Orange as a dumb businessman? Smart business man? Grifter? Trickster?

Place your bets!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2586663]You titled your post "[B]Evidence[/B]" and then provided zero evidence of anything you wrote in the post.

Well, I certainly can't prove my point any better than you already have. So I'll cut this one short right here👌.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Texas Republican and democrat senators are on the news every day with evidence. They have taken it to Biden several times but he like you ignores it.

Crime and murders are on the news every day. Local news and Fox. CA ex senators mugged. Shootings in DC and Seattle. Several democrat cities trying to hire hundreds of police officers to combat all the crime.

Contact the Chicago police if you don't believe murders are increasing in Chicago.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2586719]Courts have just over turned previous ruling and now dude's taxes will be made available.

So what will they show? Agent Orange as a dumb businessman? Smart business man? Grifter? Trickster?

Place your bets![/QUOTE]lol. If his tax returns showed he was a smart or relatively honest businessman he would have released them 5 years ago with exerpts from them read daily and nightly ever since on FUX News Channel.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2586316]You made a false statement. I destroyed it point-by-point. You persisted in your false statement. I destroyed your false statement a second time.

But, instead of taking the adult approach and refuting what I said point-by-point, you respond with third-grade name calling. But that's what you fascists do. You spout off and repeat the party line and then, when you get called out, you just repeat the same hogwash.[/QUOTE]It's all that many here are capable of.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2586743]lol. If his tax returns showed he was a smart or relatively honest businessman he would have released them 5 years ago with exerpts from them read daily and nightly ever since on FUX News Channel.[/QUOTE]What is the big deal? Government has them every year when he files his taxes. IRS sees them every year. If their was something illegal he would have been audited. This will only give CNN a few months of keeping Trump in the news.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2586661]Natty, again, you have joined the "What links? What proof? We don't need any stinking proof! We just need to say it!" crowd here who has no proof or evidence to support your position.

In this case, I can see that illegals crossing the border really, really bugs you. But until you can show me that what is happening at the border is creating a "crisis" in the USA economy or producing grave damage to national security I am not going to share your hand-wringing, teeth gnashing worry about it. I realize it is "something" to pay attention to. But it can and should go way down the list of things for me to, say, base a precious vote on.

For example, I would much rather vote against the next Great Repub Crash, Recession and "Once in 100 Years Disaster!", a REAL threat to the economy and national security, which all historical evidence clearly shows is what will very likely happen if and when a Repub occupies the White House and/or has majority control of Congress than base my vote on some imaginary and unsubstantiated threat to myself, my friends, my family, my country or my money like this made up "crisis!" regarding dark skinned people crossing the border.[/QUOTE]Most Americans think their is a crises at the border. No other country allows 2,000,000 illegals to come in their country. Especially with a pandemic. Please explain the benefits of letting 2,000,000 illegals into our country. What is the big benefit for USA citizens who live here and pay taxes?

By year end 4,000,000 illegals will be in our country and after 4 years of Biden 16,000,000 or more illegals will be either taking jobs or be on government subsistence.

How does it benefit the poor? The homeless?

Will the socialists here explain this to me because I can't see how it helps the citizens, the poor or the economy.

Here's a quote from the link (originally from 'Time' magazine) that says it all: "Republicans might be embarrassed about January 6th. They may even be frustrated or angry that the riot occurred. But those feelings pale in comparison to their desire to defeat Democrats, and [B]they’re keenly aware that every second spent relitigating January 6th is a second spent highlighting the worst of their party and their movement[/B]. Of course they want to move on, quickly. Of course they're angry at any Republican who wants to investigate."

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/why-republicans-determined-distort-truth-210617113.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2586711]Here is another link: [URL]https://archive.is/xlCAl[/URL].

So the bottom line is: "The active Covid-19 infection rate at ICE facilities is 5%, based on their statistics. Much of this is currently concentrated in Texas facilities.

Based on the information available from the CDC and US Census, we estimate the active Covid-19 infection rate nationwide as 0.17%.

So, the illegal aliens within the ICE facilities have approximately 29 times the rate as the country as a whole.

This provides support to the probability that illegal migrants are seeding Covid-19 throughout the country, which is common sense. ICE facility workers could spread it from the facilities back to the general population, and the majority of illegal migrants are not even within facilities, but are at large, seeded amongst the general population.[/QUOTE]Wait. Who are in these ICE facilities? Children.

How can kids catch COVID? RethugliKKKants have long said that COVID doesn't infect kids. Even the orange god said it. [URL]https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/511408-trump-says-children-unlikely-to-catch-coronavirus-unconcerned-about-reports[/URL].

And his secretary of eduKKKation said it. [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/23/devoss-claim-that-children-are-stoppers-covid-19/[/URL].

Now, you're complaining about COVID infecting kids in ICE facilities? RethugliKKKans believe it can't happen.

[QUOTE=Canada;2586849]Most Americans think their is a crises at the border. No other country allows 2,000,000 illegals to come in their country. Especially with a pandemic. Please explain the benefits of letting 2,000,000 illegals into our country. What is the big benefit for USA citizens who live here and pay taxes?

By year end 4,000,000 illegals will be in our country and after 4 years of Biden 16,000,000 or more illegals will be either taking jobs or be on government subsistence.

How does it benefit the poor? The homeless?

Will the socialists here explain this to me because I can't see how it helps the citizens, the poor or the economy.[/QUOTE]Yes, we all know the surge in illegal border crossings began under Trump, that Trump did nothing about it and that it is just one more problem that Biden inherited from Traitor Trump that he will have to fix.

But that particular problem isn't the "crisis!" Repubs would have us believe it is. It isn't even in the same ballpark as Trump's Pandemic, Trump's Economic Disaster, Trump's Massive USA Job Losses, Trump's Great Repub Crash and Recession, Trump's Insurrection, Trump's Surge in Violent Crime, etc.

Let's give Uncle Joe a little more time to finish fixing those truly serious problems first and then he can get onto the few issues Trump presided over and left undone that aren't really serious immediate threats to the USA economy and/or national security.

[B]"We saw the increases (of unaccompanied minors at the southern U.S. border) dating back almost a year."[/B]
Stated on March 14, 2021.
[B]MOSTLY TRUE[/B]
[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/17/veronica-escobar/did-increase-children-arriving-border-start-under-/[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2586888]Here's a quote from the link (originally from 'Time' magazine) that says it all: "Republicans might be embarrassed about January 6th. They may even be frustrated or angry that the riot occurred. But those feelings pale in comparison to their desire to defeat Democrats, and [B]theyre keenly aware that every second spent relitigating January 6th is a second spent highlighting the worst of their party and their movement[/B]. Of course they want to move on, quickly. Of course they're angry at any Republican who wants to investigate."

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/why-republicans-determined-distort-truth-210617113.html[/URL][/QUOTE]There has never been a more nauseating display of utter contempt for Law Enforcement officers and American democracy by elected officials in America than from the former so-called potus Trump and all but perhaps 4 of his fellow Repubs in the House and Senate.

[QUOTE=Canada;2586848]What is the big deal? Government has them every year when he files his taxes. IRS sees them every year. If their was something illegal he would have been audited. This will only give CNN a few months of keeping Trump in the news.[/QUOTE]Dump was being audited in 2016. That was his stated reason for not releasing his taxes, even though the IRS said he could [URL]https://time.com/5571077/donald-trump-tax-returns-arguments/[/URL].

I predict that dump will fight this order. I also predict he'll lose.

[QUOTE=Canada;2586848] ... IRS sees them every year. If their was something illegal he would have been audited. ...[/QUOTE]Yeah, I wish that were the case and the IRS did actually have the wherewithal, to actually "investigate" and prosecute said tax dodgers.

Its common knowledge the IRS, has been gutted, de-toothed and declawed (mostly by Republican lead governments), to the point of ineffectiveness against billionaire tax dodgers and millionaire tax dodgers like Agent Orange.

Let hope they now, actually have the capable manpower to investigate said fraudulent practices and do a proper [B]"financial/tax forensic audit"[/B].

God help us and hope these "forensic" auditors are nothing like the"Cyber Ninja" buffoons in Arizona.

[QUOTE=Canada;2586721]Texas Republican and democrat senators are on the news every day with evidence. They have taken it to Biden several times but he like you ignores it.

Crime and murders are on the news every day. Local news and Fox. CA ex senators mugged. Shootings in DC and Seattle. Several democrat cities trying to hire hundreds of police officers to combat all the crime.

Contact the Chicago police if you don't believe murders are increasing in Chicago.[/QUOTE]One of these days, you'll get it through your head that [B]evidence[/B] is more than saying "people are on the news saying stuff". [B]Evidence[/B] is more than your gut feeling or opinion.

[B]Evidence[/B] is at least providing a link to a reputable news source or a credible body so that we can read that which you use to back up your opinion. For news sources, most people reading this would accept any source inside the "green box" on this website. [URL]https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intro-to-the-media-bias-chart/?fbclid=IwAR0xgUnmJOI4a109rGg9Q06d8_Aj5LiMw0I4WBWfmf4S2yly_6n8p-HHJAQ[/URL].

But, of course, you already knew that.

Today, a top US Border Patrol union official publicly warned that border agents are having to release COVID-positive migrants into the USA "day in, day out" amid the ongoing crisis at the border. He also noted that his Border Patrol agents are worried about their own health.

"Not everyone we encounter we test, only those that exhibit some type of symptoms and not everybody has symptoms that has it," Chris Cabrera, a vice president of the National Border Patrol Council, said this Saturday.

"And we're releasing people out of the door day in and day out with actual positive tests for COVID and more keep popping up," he said.

Cabrera also warned that his sector alone has seen 20,000 apprehensions of migrants at the border, with 2-3,000 every day just in his area and this doesn't take into consideration those who are evading overwhelmed Border Patrol agents.

As a result, Cabrero warned that a number of agents have been quarantined or are sick with the virus themselves.

"We have a lot of agents quarantined right now, which adds to our problem, on top of agents who are sick with COVID, so we're concerned about catching it ourselves, we're concerned about our families and coworkers, and it just seems everyone's turning a blind eye to it when we have a real situation down here," he said.

So, I have a question to ask the Left leaning frequent posters on this forum: is there one honest person among you who can just admit the truth that the US Mexican border is currently a fucking disaster? I am looking for just 1 honest person. It is a simple question: is the border a fucking disaster or isn't it.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2586502]You are conflating the 2 issues. I think on purpose because you are obviously not unintelligent nor uneducated.

The open border: 1) the only reason the left wants an open border, insists on an open border, is that the Party Leaders desperately need a massive influx of new votes to achieve the ultimate objective of a nonviolent takeover of the United States of America and the establishment of a one-party socialist state. You know this[/QUOTE]Well, I have no idea who knows this because it's patently false.

Who wants open borders?

Quote anyone on "the left" (whoever it is to you).

What party leaders? Biden and Harris? They're deporting the undocumented full speed, just like Obama did when he was in office.

Can you support your ridiculous declaration with any facts at all?

As for the "nonviolent takeover of the United States of America," that's just shameless.

Your people did that. Not "the left. ".

And after that 'nonviolent' thingy didn't work, you "fought like hell" on Jan 6.

Can't believe the Red Menace and his henchmen haven't been charged yet.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2587066]Well, I have no idea who knows this because it's patently false.

Who wants open borders?

Quote anyone on "the left" (whoever it is to you).

What party leaders? Biden and Harris? They're deporting the undocumented full speed, just like Obama did when he was in office.

Can you support your ridiculous declaration with any facts at all?

As for the "nonviolent takeover of the United States of America," that's just shameless.

Your people did that. Not "the left. ".

And after that 'nonviolent' thingy didn't work, you "fought like hell" on Jan 6.

Can't believe the Red Menace and his henchmen haven't been charged yet.[/QUOTE][B]...almost a year before Biden became president.[/B]

Loony FUX News Channel wingers are stumped for an explanation for how the future President Biden produced a border policy in early 2020 that replaced the Trump policies that were in place when the latest surge began.

Which proves no "Biden policy" caused it, there is no "Biden/Dem Open Borders" policy and never has been one, nothing Joe Biden, Kamala Harris or Hunter Biden did or said caused this latest surge, which, as bad as it is, probably pales in comparison to the first historic surge we had under Trump 4 1/2 years ago when he started plotting to steal funding from our military to build his obviously totally useless wall.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2587028]Today, a top US Border Patrol union official publicly warned that border agents are having to release COVID-positive migrants into the USA "day in, day out" amid the ongoing crisis at the border. He also noted that his Border Patrol agents are worried about their own health.

"Not everyone we encounter we test, only those that exhibit some type of symptoms and not everybody has symptoms that has it," Chris Cabrera, a vice president of the National Border Patrol Council, said this Saturday.

"And we're releasing people out of the door day in and day out with actual positive tests for COVID and more keep popping up," he said.

Cabrera also warned that his sector alone has seen 20,000 apprehensions of migrants at the border, with 2-3,000 every day just in his area and this doesn't take into consideration those who are evading overwhelmed Border Patrol agents.

As a result, Cabrero warned that a number of agents have been quarantined or are sick with the virus themselves.[/QUOTE]Yes it is a fucking disaster. Another border patrol agent killed last night. Covid surge in USA and illegals with Covid being released every day.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2586963]One of these days, you'll get it through your head that [B]evidence[/B] is more than saying "people are on the news saying stuff". [B]Evidence[/B] is more than your gut feeling or opinion.

[B]Evidence[/B] is at least providing a link to a reputable news source or a credible body so that we can read that which you use to back up your opinion. For news sources, most people reading this would accept any source inside the "green box" on this website. [URL]https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intro-to-the-media-bias-chart/?fbclid=IwAR0xgUnmJOI4a109rGg9Q06d8_Aj5LiMw0I4WBWfmf4S2yly_6n8p-HHJAQ[/URL].

But, of course, you already knew that.[/QUOTE]Republican and democrats are going to the border and taking evidence to congress and Biden daily. Biden and national media ignore it. Border agents are in quarantine for Covid and illegals with Covid are released into the USA. Crime and drugs are at an all time high. A friend of mine is a supervisor at Ajo, AZ and he hasn't seen it this bad in 32 years. If you want proof talk to border patrol. Nobody can proof something democrats, nation media and google are ignoring.

Biden approval rate on the border is 34%. That means at least 17% I democrats even admit it The head of Border Control on the news yesterday should be proof enough you didn't see it because you watch and believe fake news.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2587120][B]...almost a year before Biden became president.[/B]

Loony FUX News Channel wingers are stumped for an explanation for how the future President Biden produced a border policy in early 2020 that replaced the Trump policies that were in place when the latest surge began.

Which proves no "Biden policy" caused it, there is no "Biden/Dem Open Borders" policy and never has been one, nothing Joe Biden, Kamala Harris or Hunter Biden did or said caused this latest surge, which, as bad as it is, probably pales in comparison to the first historic surge we had under Trump 4 1/2 years ago when he started plotting to steal funding from our military to build his obviously totally useless wall.[/QUOTE]Even liberal news are starting to get worried.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/07/28/its-not-a-border-crisis-anymore-its-border-chaos/amp[/URL]

These are Biden policies killing Americans.

[QUOTE=Canada;2586619]There are as many unvaccinated democrats as Republicans. Unvaccinated illegals are not wearing masks and several have Covid. They can't take jobs from Americans because employers can't hire them legally. As per laws by Obama. They will have to be sex workers, join gangs, sell drugs or work for some illegal employers. You claim they are coming to pick vegetables but you have not provided any proof of this. Show me where these 2,000,000 are picking vegetables. Show me the jobs they are taking that Americans won't do. You made these statements so prove it. I can prove that illegals can't work legally in the USA.[/QUOTE]I have tried twice before to respond to this collection of falsehoods. Perhaps this time I will be successful.

Let's look at each of your statements one-by-one.

[B]There are as many unvaccinated democrats as Republicans.[/B] This statement is patently false. [URL]https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/unvaccinated-americans-whiter-more-republican-vaccinated[/URL].

[B]Unvaccinated illegals are not wearing masks and several have Covid.[/B] So what? Every unmasked, unvaccinated person is equally dangerous, regardless of where they came from. You are implying that unmasked, unvaccinated brown-skinned people are somehow more infectious than unmasked, unvaccinated dump supporters.

[B]They can't take jobs from Americans because employers can't hire them legally. As per laws by Obama. They will have to be sex workers, join gangs, sell drugs or work for some illegal employers.[/B] Whoa, Nellie. You said that they are coming here to take jobs away from Americans. In fact, you said this in March: "Which border? Mexico border to allow Mexican and South American cheap, unskilled labor to take jobs away from Americans and to further lower wages for Americans. " So, were you lying then or are you lying now?

[B]You claim they are coming to pick vegetables but you have not provided any proof of this. Show me where these 2,000,000 are picking vegetables.[/B] This statement is so far off base I almost don't know where to start. But how about here:[URL]https://www.fwd.us/news/immigrant-farmworkers-and-americas-food-production-5-things-to-know/[/URL] Here's a quote from the article: "This is partly because, even when wages and benefits are increased, there are still not enough USA Citizens applying. The current agricultural workforce is also aging, requiring younger workers to replace them. Immigrants have filled these shortfalls in the workforce for decades, but in recent years, fewer immigrants are coming to the USA To work in agriculture, a result of current USA Immigration policy and rising incomes in Mexico. " Then there's this: [URL]http://www.ncfh.org/uploads/3/8/6/8/38685499/fs-migrant_demographics.pdf[/URL] Or this: [URL]https://www.jsonline.com/in-depth/news/special-reports/dairy-crisis/2019/11/12/wisconsin-dairy-farms-rely-immigrant-workers-undocumented-laborers/2570288001/[/URL] So again, patently false statements.

[B]Show me the jobs they are taking that Americans won't do.[/B] This is the typical Republican talking point that is, in fact, a lie. There's this: [URL]https://slate.com/business/2007/01/what-are-the-jobs-americans-won-t-do.html[/URL] and this: [URL]https://www.newsweek.com/americans-dont-want-jobs-visa-seasonal-1403512[/URL] And hundreds more articles just like them.

[B]You made these statements so prove it.[/B] Why did you think I was going to let all these falsehoods go by without responding? And, BTW, what I provided to you was [B]actual proof from real sources[/B] not Uncle Billy Bob thought he heard sumtin onna TV.

[QUOTE=Canada;2587210]Even liberal news are starting to get worried.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/07/28/its-not-a-border-crisis-anymore-its-border-chaos/amp[/URL]

These are Biden policies killing Americans.[/QUOTE]The NY Post is now liberal? Bwahahahaha.

Find it for me on the attached link then tell me what it says. [URL]https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intro-to-the-media-bias-chart/?fbclid=IwAR0xgUnmJOI4a109rGg9Q06d8_Aj5LiMw0I4WBWfmf4S2yly_6n8p-HHJAQ[/URL].

The NY Post is about as rightwingnut as Fux "News".

[QUOTE=Canada;2587197]Republican and democrats are going to the border and taking evidence to congress and Biden daily. Biden and national media ignore it. Border agents are in quarantine for Covid and illegals with Covid are released into the USA. Crime and drugs are at an all time high. A friend of mine is a supervisor at Ajo, AZ and he hasn't seen it this bad in 32 years. If you want proof talk to border patrol. Nobody can proof something democrats, nation media and google are ignoring.

Biden approval rate on the border is 34%. That means at least 17% I democrats even admit it The head of Border Control on the news yesterday should be proof enough you didn't see it because you watch and believe fake news.[/QUOTE]You denigrate my post about how you don't provide [B]evidence in the form of actual links to real sources[/B] by posting something that (wait for it) contains only your opinions and no links to any real sources. Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant!

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2587228]I have tried twice before to respond to this collection of falsehoods. Perhaps this time I will be successful.

Let's look at each of your statements one-by-one.

[B]There are as many unvaccinated democrats as Republicans.[/B] This statement is patently false. [URL]https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/unvaccinated-americans-whiter-more-republican-vaccinated[/URL].

[B]Unvaccinated illegals are not wearing masks and several have Covid.[/B] So what? Every unmasked, unvaccinated person is equally dangerous, regardless of where they came from. You are implying that unmasked, unvaccinated brown-skinned people are somehow more infectious than unmasked, unvaccinated dump supporters.



[B]They can't take jobs from Americans because employers can't hire them legally. As per laws by Obama. They will have to be sex workers, join gangs, sell drugs or work for some illegal employers.[/B] Whoa, Nellie. You said that they are coming here to take jobs away from Americans. In fact, you said this in March: "Which border? Mexico border to allow Mexican and South American cheap, unskilled labor to take jobs away from Americans and to further lower wages for Americans. " So, were you lying then or are you lying now?

[B]You claim they are coming to pick vegetables but you have not provided any proof of this. Show me where these 2,000,000 are picking vegetables.[/B] This statement is so far off base I almost don't know where to start. But how about here:[URL]https://www.fwd.us/news/immigrant-farmworkers-and-americas-food-production-5-things-to-know/[/URL] Here's a quote from the article: "This is partly because, even when wages and benefits are increased, there are still not enough USA Citizens applying. The current agricultural workforce is also aging, requiring younger workers to replace them. Immigrants have filled these shortfalls in the workforce for decades, but in recent years, fewer immigrants are coming to the USA To work in agriculture, a result of current USA Immigration policy and rising incomes in Mexico. " Then there's this: [URL]http://www.ncfh.org/uploads/3/8/6/8/38685499/fs-migrant_demographics.pdf[/URL] Or this: [URL]https://www.jsonline.com/in-depth/news/special-reports/dairy-crisis/2019/11/12/wisconsin-dairy-farms-rely-immigrant-workers-undocumented-laborers/2570288001/[/URL] So again, patently false statements.

[B]Show me the jobs they are taking that Americans won't do.[/B] This is the typical Republican talking point that is, in fact, a lie. There's this: [URL]https://slate.com/business/2007/01/what-are-the-jobs-americans-won-t-do.html[/URL] and this: [URL]https://www.newsweek.com/americans-dont-want-jobs-visa-seasonal-1403512[/URL] And hundreds more articles just like them.

[B]You made these statements so prove it.[/B] Why did you think I was going to let all these falsehoods go by without responding? And, BTW, what I provided to you was [B]actual proof from real sources[/B] not Uncle Billy Bob thought he heard sumtin onna TV.[/QUOTE]Proof. Ok since you can prove everything you say here is your chance to prove it.

You prove that illegals can work in USA.

You prove that illegals are picking vegetables since farmers can't get workers.

You prove these 2,000,000 illegals are going to work jobs that Americans won't do.

You prove even one of these illegals has a job today.

NFL teams are having problems getting their teams vaccinated. Some teams have 80% unvaccinated according to NFL. Majority of players are black in NFL. Are you saying all football players are republicans?

I am not saying brown skinned unmasked, unvaccinated are at same risk as unmasked, unvaccinated people of any color but I am saying unchecked and Covid positive illegals should not be allowed to travel to other states. They should be sent back or quarantined. This should not be about republicans or socialists. It just should be stopped. The only benefit of allowing Covid spreaders in from Mexico is for democrats to be able to keep this pandemic going and hope they delay it long enough to get mail in ballots for 2022 and cheat again.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2587066]Well, I have no idea who knows this because it's patently false.

Who wants open borders?

Quote anyone on "the left" (whoever it is to you).

What party leaders? Biden and Harris? They're deporting the undocumented full speed, just like Obama did when he was in office.

Can you support your ridiculous declaration with any facts at all?

As for the "nonviolent takeover of the United States of America," that's just shameless.

Your people did that. Not "the left. ".

And after that 'nonviolent' thingy didn't work, you "fought like hell" on Jan 6.

Can't believe the Red Menace and his henchmen haven't been charged yet.[/QUOTE]Democrats want open borders as per congress. Democrats are for defund the police, get rid of border patrol and ICE And no prisons. Pretty much sounds like open borders and no law enforcement. Even communist countries are smart enough to enforce border control. Can you believe the democrats are actually dumber than all the communist countries. Their actions are proof. Is there anyone on this forum that actually believes democrats support border control or ICE? Democrat senators even pay people to protest these agencies. No one in their right mind would allow 2,000,000 illegals into their country unless they were trying to destroy it.

[QUOTE=Canada;2587355]Democrats want open borders as per congress. Democrats are for defund the police, get rid of border patrol and ICE And no prisons. Pretty much sounds like open borders and no law enforcement. Even communist countries are smart enough to enforce border control. Can you believe the democrats are actually dumber than all the communist countries. Their actions are proof. Is there anyone on this forum that actually believes democrats support border control or ICE? Democrat senators even pay people to protest these agencies. No one in their right mind would allow 2,000,000 illegals into their country unless they were trying to destroy it.[/QUOTE]I hear they also drink the blood of babies.

Lol. Repubs will say anything to convince you to vote FOR the next Great Republican Crash, Recession, Depression, Massive Job Losses and Horrific Creation and Mismanagement of a Potential Deadly Pandemic.

The foreigner posting here that so much wants to be accepted as US American is correct in asserting that Democrats are dumb and being played by the CCP, but the same is true of the only one alone who could fix everything wrong with US America. Kimmy still has his nukes and typewriter for composing beautiful letters. CCP has a firm grip on the short hairs of those within its borders. US Americans are still living and working for multinationals that pay the tariffs passed on to Wallsmarts customers. Stupid Dems. When are they going to get tough.

[QUOTE=Canada;2587347]Proof. Ok since you can prove everything you say here is your chance to prove it.

You prove that illegals can work in USA.

You prove that illegals are picking vegetables since farmers can't get workers.

You prove these 2,000,000 illegals are going to work jobs that Americans won't do.

You prove even one of these illegals has a job today.

NFL teams are having problems getting their teams vaccinated. Some teams have 80% unvaccinated according to NFL. Majority of players are black in NFL. Are you saying all football players are republicans?[/QUOTE]Every question you asked were proven in the links in my post. I am not responsible if you can't read them.

I can't prove that every undocumented immigrant has a job any more than you can prove that every dump-supporting fascist has a job.

I could care less about vaccinated NFL players. But here is yet another link (in other words, proof) that more fascists are unvaccinated than Democrats. Here are a few quotes: "In one group are those who say they are adamant in their refusal of the coronavirus vaccines; they include a mix of people but tend to be disproportionately white, rural, evangelical Christian and politically conservative, surveys show. In the other are those who say they are open to getting a shot but have been putting it off or want to wait and see before making a decision; they are a broad range of people but tend to be a more diverse and urban group, including many younger people, Black and Latino Americans, and Democrats. The problem is, the same surveys show that the group firmly opposed to the vaccines outnumbers those willing to be swayed. And unless the nation finds a way to persuade the unwavering, escaping the virus's grip will be a long way off because they make up as much as 20% of the adult population. " [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/unvaccinated-america-theres-no-one-135607528.html[/URL].

Then unmasked and unvaccinated fascists should face the same penalty, right? They should be stopped and forcibly sent to a quarantine facility at their own expense. After all, you want to be fair, right?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2587462]The foreigner posting here that so much wants to be accepted as US American is correct in asserting that Democrats are dumb and being played by the CCP, but the same is true of the only one alone who could fix everything wrong with US America. Kimmy still has his nukes and typewriter for composing beautiful letters. CCP has a firm grip on the short hairs of those within its borders. US Americans are still living and working for multinationals that pay the tariffs passed on to Wallsmarts customers. Stupid Dems. When are they going to get tough.[/QUOTE]Don't get your hopes up. We have the weakest president in history and if he couldn't get tough in the last 48 years there is zero chance he will in next 3 years. Let's face it. We are screwed until Republicans get back the house and senate. It will get better but still another 18 months of misery.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2587459]I hear they also drink the blood of babies.

Lol. Repubs will say anything to convince you to vote FOR the next Great Republican Crash, Recession, Depression, Massive Job Losses and Horrific Creation and Mismanagement of a Potential Deadly Pandemic.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately the democrats voted and cheated their way into the great crash in 2020. Biden 6 month record of mismanagement so far pretty much assures the USA of inflation and economic disaster. You voted for him. Now you have to suffer the consequences.

[QUOTE=Canada;2587355]Democrats want open borders as per congress. (snipped the rest of the delusional rant) [/QUOTE]Fine, who in the Congress want open borders. Names and quotes, please.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2587484]Fine, who in the Congress want open borders. Names and quotes, please.[/QUOTE]Every time any of the fascist posters cry about Democrats wanting open borders, I ask them for proof, too.

Want to know how many times I've received any? Zero.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2587484]Fine, who in the Congress want open borders. Names and quotes, please.[/QUOTE]The squad, Bernie and several others. They pretty much say it daily. Maybe you aren't smart enough to figure it out that when they are trying to eliminate ICE and Border patrol that means the border is open. Biden has the border open for the last 6 months for illegals. He has the border closed for legal people to cross but it is evident the border is open for illegals. 2,000,000 illegals coming to USA in 6 months seems like open border.

I know Fake news does not report eliminating ICE and Border patrol but democrats and terrorist groups Antifa and BLM are pushing it daily.

[QUOTE=Canada;2587622]The squad, Bernie and several others. They pretty much say it daily. Maybe you aren't smart enough to figure it out that when they are trying to eliminate ICE and Border patrol that means the border is open. Biden has the border open for the last 6 months for illegals. He has the border closed for legal people to cross but it is evident the border is open for illegals. 2,000,000 illegals coming to USA in 6 months seems like open border.

I know Fake news does not report eliminating ICE and Border patrol but democrats and terrorist groups Antifa and BLM are pushing it daily.[/QUOTE]The only [B]evidence[/B] a reasonable person would accept is a report in a real publication of any Democratic congressperson saying "I support / want open borders." See, that's the type of evidence the fascists wanted during dump's impeachment trial. Since you would accept nothing less then, we will accept nothing less now.

See how that works? You can't have things both ways!

[QUOTE=Canada;2587192]Yes it is a fucking disaster. Another border patrol agent killed last night. Covid surge in USA and illegals with Covid being released every day.[/QUOTE]Hey,

You didn't say [B]how[/B] the CBP officer was killed, did you?

He died in a traffic accident! [URL]https://www.azfamily.com/news/tucson-border-patrol-agent-killed-in-head-on-crash-near-sells-arizona/article_875061fa-f219-11eb-947d-5fd2e301119a.html[/URL].

Why did you leave that part out, huh?

[QUOTE=Canada;2587622]The squad, Bernie and several others. They pretty much say it daily. Maybe you aren't smart enough to figure it out that when they are trying to eliminate ICE and Border patrol that means the border is open. Biden has the border open for the last 6 months for illegals. He has the border closed for legal people to cross but it is evident the border is open for illegals. 2,000,000 illegals coming to USA in 6 months seems like open border.

I know Fake news does not report eliminating ICE and Border patrol but democrats and terrorist groups Antifa and BLM are pushing it daily.[/QUOTE]2 mil is the official number reported, but border experts estimate the total real number of illegals sneaking into the US is twice that or 4 mil persons since Biden was sworn into office. The border is wide open. And what is worse is the thousands of Covid variant positive persons officially reported to have entered the country then either detained or released plus the thousands more infected illegals who have sneaked in unofficially.

There may be some Democrat politicians who in private think the Joe Biden border is a cluster fuck, but they will never go public with their opinion because they are too scared of being WOKE challenged in the upcoming Democratic Party primaries. Effectively the Democratic Party has been taken over by the neo Marxists. That is a fact, Jack! And the proof of this statement is that the border is wide open during a Pandemic surge. But let's not talk about the current fiasco, let's get back to Trump Covid bashing circa Dec 2019-Jan 2020. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade.

Two can play the "I can say anything I want without proof" game.

Republican congressmen have said that if they win control of Congress in 2024, that they will change voting laws so that only straight, white, male property-owners will be able to vote in any election.

Republicans have said that they will install Donald Trump as President-for-Life in 2024, regardless of whether or not he loses the 2024 Presidential election.

Republicans plan to set up machine-gun posts along the southern border to gun down anyone who crosses.

Republicans will make it illegal for any non-white person to own property or a business after 2024.

Republicans have said these things but Google is hiding the links.

Republicans will outlaw masks and COVID vaccines in the hopes that all Democrats and non-white people die of COVID. Those that don't will be sent to reeducation camps.

A come from behind victory by Republican Jake Ellzey of Texas, beat Trumpster-backed Susan Wright, to win a US House seat, in a special congressional election runoff near Dallas.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/28/voters-reject-trump-republican-texas-election-jake-ellzey [/URL]

Is Agent Orange losing his grip on the GOP?

Are the GOP, getting tired of bending the knee, toward the Orange Throne?

[QUOTE=Canada;2587347] {snip}

NFL teams are having problems getting their teams vaccinated. [b]Some teams have 80% unvaccinated according to NFL.[/b] Majority of players are black in NFL. Are you saying all football players are republicans?
[/QUOTE]Your highlighted statement didn't seem accurate so I decided to research it.

When you wrote the statement, the NFL team with the lowest vaccination rate was the Washington Football Team at 60%. [URL]https://riggosrag.com/2021/07/30/washington-football-team-vaccination-rates-low/[/URL] So your statement, once again, is patently false.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2587669]Hey,

You didn't say [B]how[/B] the CBP officer was killed, did you?

He died in a traffic accident! [URL]https://www.azfamily.com/news/tucson-border-patrol-agent-killed-in-head-on-crash-near-sells-arizona/article_875061fa-f219-11eb-947d-5fd2e301119a.html[/URL].

Why did you leave that part out, huh?[/QUOTE]My friend is a supervisor for Border Patrol in Tucson, Ajo region. He said Agent was killed in pursuit of vehicle carrying drugs and driver intentionally drove head on into agent vehicle killing both of the drivers. You may call it a traffic accident but it wasn't an accident. Fake news won't report this. More agents have been injured this year in Tucson region than in all of last year already. More drugs have been confiscated in this region in 6 months than all of last year. Agents are overwhelmed and overworked. Not a good situation for our country. But as a democrat you want to eliminate this agency altogether. Real smart!

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2587667]The only [B]evidence[/B] a reasonable person would accept is a report in a real publication of any Democratic congressperson saying "I support / want open borders." See, that's the type of evidence the fascists wanted during dump's impeachment trial. Since you would accept nothing less then, we will accept nothing less now.

See how that works? You can't have things both ways![/QUOTE]Are you saying that you have not heard in any news or any protest by a democrat that they want open borders or elimination of ICE and Border Patrol? No congressman or congress woman has said this on National TV or Cspan? You obviously are totally misinformed in politics and shouldn't be posting here or you are an outright liar. Which one is it?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2587669]Hey,

You didn't say [B]how[/B] the CBP officer was killed, did you?

He died in a traffic accident! [URL]https://www.azfamily.com/news/tucson-border-patrol-agent-killed-in-head-on-crash-near-sells-arizona/article_875061fa-f219-11eb-947d-5fd2e301119a.html[/URL].

Why did you leave that part out, huh?[/QUOTE]Canada is nothing but a troll who gets his sexual jollies trolling this page.

[QUOTE=Canada;2587473]Don't get your hopes up. We have the weakest president in history and if he couldn't get tough in the last 48 years there is zero chance he will in next 3 years. Let's face it. We are screwed until Republicans get back the house and senate. It will get better but still another 18 months of misery.[/QUOTE]English wasn't your easy A in high school, was it? Don't give up on that GED, even if it takes you the rest of your life.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2587683]2 mil is the official number reported, but border experts estimate the total real number of illegals sneaking into the US is twice that or 4 mil persons since Biden was sworn into office. The border is wide open. And what is worse is the thousands of Covid variant positive persons officially reported to have entered the country then either detained or released plus the thousands more infected illegals who have sneaked in unofficially.

There may be some Democrat politicians who in private think the Joe Biden border is a cluster fuck, but they will never go public with their opinion because they are too scared of being WOKE challenged in the upcoming Democratic Party primaries. Effectively the Democratic Party has been taken over by the neo Marxists. That is a fact, Jack! And the proof of this statement is that the border is wide open during a Pandemic surge. But let's not talk about the current fiasco, let's get back to Trump Covid bashing circa Dec 2019-Jan 2020. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade.[/QUOTE]One thing is for certain and that is that immigration is red meat for dump supporters.

But why the fixation on COVID among them? For 18 months, the dump army has downplayed the seriousness of COVID. Thirty percent of your less-than-intelligent bretheren won't get vaccinated at all. [URL]https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/558225-nearly-30-percent-of-republicans-say-they-wont-get-vaccinated-poll[/URL].

Why won't they get vaccinated? Well, there are lots of them but the primary one is fear. Dumpers think that dump's vaccines are useless, contain microchips, will magnetize them, will make them sterile, and my favorite that dump's vaccine will make them gay.

So, all this hand-wringing over COVID is manufactured outrage. In other words, BS. You fascists don't give a hoot about COVID. If you did, you'd wear masks and get vaccinated. You are more likely to beat someone to a pulp for violating your favorite watering hole's "no shirt, no shoes, no service" policy.

Spare me the outrage.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2587799]English wasn't your easy A in high school, was it? Don't give up on that GED, even if it takes you the rest of your life.[/QUOTE]You have no clue of what it takes to be successful. English wasn't my best subject in high school but Math was. I was smart enough to have 2100 employees at the peak of our business and smart enough to sell out to a billion dollar public company. I was smart enough to do business in Canada, USA, Hungary, Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Malaysia. I was smart enough to retire when I was 40. I will bet you can not say the same with your easy A in English.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2587749]Your highlighted statement didn't seem accurate so I decided to research it.

When you wrote the statement, the NFL team with the lowest vaccination rate was the Washington Football Team at 60%. [URL]https://riggosrag.com/2021/07/30/washington-football-team-vaccination-rates-low/[/URL] So your statement, once again, is patently false.[/QUOTE]Liberal fake news is not proof. You are just embarrassing yourself.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2587811]One thing is for certain and that is that immigration is red meat for dump supporters.

But why the fixation on COVID among them? For 18 months, the dump army has downplayed the seriousness of COVID. Thirty percent of your less-than-intelligent bretheren won't get vaccinated at all. [URL]https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/558225-nearly-30-percent-of-republicans-say-they-wont-get-vaccinated-poll[/URL].

Why won't they get vaccinated? Well, there are lots of them but the primary one is fear. Dumpers think that dump's vaccines are useless, contain microchips, will magnetize them, will make them sterile, and my favorite that dump's vaccine will make them gay.

So, all this hand-wringing over COVID is manufactured outrage. In other words, BS. You fascists don't give a hoot about COVID. If you did, you'd wear masks and get vaccinated. You are more likely to beat someone to a pulp for violating your favorite watering hole's "no shirt, no shoes, no service" policy.

Spare me the outrage.[/QUOTE]

The current and future lord, savior and cult leader for a decisive 46% of the USA electorate, a proud iconic Republican, was still telling his slavishly obedient cult followers that his Pandemic virus will "go away without a vaccine!" at least until late October, days before the November 2020 election.

That means he spent almost a year convincing anyone who would listen to him of 2 historically deadly lies; that there is no reason for anyone to even bother inventing a vaccine for his Pandemic virus AND if anyone was foolish enough to waste their time and money inventing one there is no real reason for anyone to take it; since it will "go away" without a vaccine, why risk getting that microchip injected into your bloodstream?

The death toll of just Americans as a direct result of those lies Trump knew he was repeating over and over again far surpasses all the deaths from all the "Dem city" shootings, "murderous caravans of illegals", all the BLM and "antifa" protests and even Trump's Violent Anti-America Insurrection Riot combined. And the American deaths as a direct result of those Trump lies are not over yet, especially the one about not bothering to get vaccinated since it will "go away" without a vaccine anyway.

Yes, spare us any "outrage" over who and what has and is still killing Americans.

[b]Trump Repearedly Claims Covid-19 is "Going Away" Even Without a Vaccine:[/b]
[URL]https://youtu.be/U4Nx69IOFwY[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2587821]Liberal fake news is not proof. You are just embarrassing yourself.[/QUOTE]Conservative fake news from FUX News Channel might be acceptable if they include names, dates and actual quotes of Dem leadership proposing we Open The Borders, Defund The Police, Drink The Blood of Babies and all the other sucker social issues Repubs need to lie about in order to rile up their voting base rather than face an election running on their consistent and uninterrupted pattern of producing every Great Crash, Recession, Depression and Massive USA Job Losses of at least the past 100 years and none of the historic economic recoveries, expansions and USA jobs creations.

Can they?

[QUOTE=Canada;2587820]You have no clue of what it takes to be successful. English wasn't my best subject in high school but Math was. I was smart enough to have 2100 employees at the peak of our business and smart enough to sell out to a billion dollar public company. I was smart enough to do business in Canada, USA, Hungary, Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Malaysia. I was smart enough to retire when I was 40. I will bet you can not say the same with your easy A in English.[/QUOTE]And yet you still believe that China paid dump's tariffs to the US.

[QUOTE=Canada;2587755]My friend is a supervisor for Border Patrol in Tucson, Ajo region. He said Agent was killed in pursuit of vehicle carrying drugs and driver intentionally drove head on into agent vehicle killing both of the drivers. You may call it a traffic accident but it wasn't an accident. Fake news won't report this. More agents have been injured this year in Tucson region than in all of last year already. More drugs have been confiscated in this region in 6 months than all of last year. Agents are overwhelmed and overworked. Not a good situation for our country. But as a democrat you want to eliminate this agency altogether. Real smart![/QUOTE]Even Fux "News" didn't report what you said. So Fux "News" must be Fake News because they didn't report it.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/us/arizona-border-patrol-agent-another-driver-killed-in-head-on-crash[/URL]

Never take a knife to a gunfight.

[QUOTE=Canada;2587622]The squad, Bernie and several others. They pretty much say it daily. [/QUOTE]See, if they say IT "daily" one would hope you can provide just a few quotes and win this argument in a heartbeat. But it doesn't work this way in your circle, does it?

[QUOTE=Canada;2587820]You have no clue of what it takes to be successful. English wasn't my best subject in high school but Math was. I was smart enough to have 2100 employees at the peak of our business and smart enough to sell out to a billion dollar public company. I was smart enough to do business in Canada, USA, Hungary, Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Malaysia. I was smart enough to retire when I was 40. I will bet you can not say the same with your easy A in English.[/QUOTE]While I'm not a wealthy person, I do have wealthy clients. All of them are humble people. They go out of their way not to look and talk like a money bag. I can't think of one millionaire I know who would flaunt his wealth and show off like you repeatedly do on this forum and who would (god forbid) disparage others for not being as successful as they are. I know there are exceptions to any rule (like your own cult leader), but your self-promotion doesn't ring true to me.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2588015]See, if they say IT "daily" one would hope you can provide just a few quotes and win this argument in a heartbeat. But it doesn't work this way in your circle, does it?[/QUOTE]Here is one of hundreds. This one is from CNN because I know you won't believe Fox news.

AOC interview where she and others want to get rid of Homeland Security and ICE. Leaving our country defenseless against terrorists and criminals. Close to what is already with Biden policies.

[URL]https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/11/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-department-of-homeland-security/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2588016]While I'm not a wealthy person, I do have wealthy clients. All of them are humble people. They go out of their way not to look and talk like a money bag. I can't think of one millionaire I know who would flaunt his wealth and show off like you repeatedly do on this forum and who would (god forbid) disparage others for not being as successful as they are. I know there are exceptions to any rule (like your own cult leader), but your self-promotion doesn't ring true to me.[/QUOTE]I also live a modest life. Most people know I am successful but they do not know to what extent. Very few people know what I am worth. I don't show off and my house, cars and way of life are like all my friends. I do not have an MBA but I learned business and international business by trial and error. I have friends that are much smarter than me, have a degree and even a MBA but that did not make them successful in business. I started businesses, I took risks, I borrowed millions of dollars, I bought businesses and I worked harder than most and I took calculated risks. I hired great accountants and the best international tax attorney in USA. I also had luck which every one needs.

I have done business in several international countries. Some of them communist countries. There is no country in the world or any leader of a country that would allow 2,000,000 illegals in their country. There are leaders destroying their countries like Cuba, Iran, Venezuela and North Korea but I never thought I would see it in USA. Biden is destroying our country and 50% of our people are letting it happen. Several on this site can't see it. The people in these countries are paying the price and live a miserable life. That is what Biden will give our grandkids.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2588015]See, if they say IT "daily" one would hope you can provide just a few quotes and win this argument in a heartbeat. But it doesn't work this way in your circle, does it?[/QUOTE]It is extremely easy to be a dumper because you only need to know a few things.

1. No proof is required for any statement you make.

2. The more outrageous the statement the better.

3. The more often you repeat a lie, the more it becomes truth.

4. When someone challenges your lie with proof, yell "fake news".

Does this remind anyone of a mid-twentieth-century cult?

I suspect there has been a full-court-press by supporters of TrumpShip to find "moldable" officers to be used in perpetuating the associate to the Big Lie.

About crowd behavior.

Going to be interesting to see how Shit supporters try to paint the nearly two hours where TS pretended he Nero fiddling as the destruction happened.

And TS refused to send in the National Guard and stop his insurrection.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2588069]It is extremely easy to be a dumper because you only need to know a few things.

1. No proof is required for any statement you make.

2. The more outrageous the statement the better.

3. The more often you repeat a lie, the more it becomes truth.

4. When someone challenges your lie with proof, yell "fake news".

Does this remind anyone of a mid-twentieth-century cult?[/QUOTE]Here is one from CNN who you love. Obviously you are the biggest liar here and will lie again. Every time proof is provided you ignore it or go to a liberal site that says opposite. Defunding police is real for democrats and the crime shows it. Democrats trying to eliminate ICE and Homeland Security are on the news daily even on CNN. Why do you keep lying about these issues? Lie after lie by you and democrats will not change the real world. The crises at the border will actually be worse without ICE and Homeland Security. I know you are not smart enough to realize this but 70% of Americans are.

[URL]https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/11/p...ity/index.html[/URL]

Please do not tout your modesty while delivering a point by point review of the wealth hidden from view and many successes. It falls upon deaf ears in the take no prisoners, trench warfare of ISG. Why not post Penthouse Letters about your many sexual conquests. That would have a larger audience and generate more admirers. Real and imaginary conquests are harder to refute than vague, unsubstantiated political and cultural tropes.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2588131]Please do not tout your modesty while delivering a point by point review of the wealth hidden from view and many successes. It falls upon deaf ears in the take no prisoners, trench warfare of ISG. Why not post Penthouse Letters about your many sexual conquests. That would have a larger audience and generate more admirers. Real and imaginary conquests are harder to refute than vague, unsubstantiated political and cultural tropes.[/QUOTE]I was just correcting a lie from a poster who said I need to continue working on my GED. I do have a high school education in fact top of my class. I did not go to college and I do not have an MBA. I am successful because I worked harder than most, took more risks than most and had confidence in my abilities. I learned business the hard way. Not in school. I know several people with extensive more schooling and degrees that are broke today.

I have had businesses in several countries and dealt with governments in several countries. It is just sickening the people on this site that never had a business, never hired hundreds of employees never did international business lie about how things are done in USA or other countries. The things I did are easy to prove. I took my company and others public. We were bought out by a billion dollar public company. Everything is public knowledge and was publicly reported including purchase prices. All this can be substantiated with public documents. Just because most of the posters on this site are liberal welfare cases they want condemn it. Biden will not hurt me or my grandkids lifestyle. Liberal socialists will pay the price of Biden incompetency.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2588016]While I'm not a wealthy person, I do have wealthy clients. All of them are humble people. They go out of their way not to look and talk like a money bag. I can't think of one millionaire I know who would flaunt his wealth and show off like you repeatedly do on this forum and who would (god forbid) disparage others for not being as successful as they are. I know there are exceptions to any rule (like your own cult leader), but your self-promotion doesn't ring true to me.[/QUOTE] Great observation!

Perhaps over compensating for something? Much like Agent Orange.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2588131]Please do not tout your modesty while delivering a point by point review of the wealth hidden from view and many successes. It falls upon deaf ears in the take no prisoners, trench warfare of ISG. Why not post Penthouse Letters about your many sexual conquests. That would have a larger audience and generate more admirers. Real and imaginary conquests are harder to refute than vague, unsubstantiated political and cultural tropes.[/QUOTE]Yep! Well said. Totally Agree!

Penthouse Letters...exactly why most of us are here, but not some cats. With all that supposed wealth, you'd figure he'd get laid more.

As one ISGer here put it to another, "...you need to get laid". Perhaps that same wisdom should be applied to his cohort and comrade.

"Look at these hands! Nothing small down below. I'm really rich, and stiff the IRS because I'm smart". Anybody here getting spam from Democrats begging for money? How about from Repugnantins ? Corporations on welfare suck more from the taxpayers than welfare queens. Slick Willie and the party of capitalism fixed that.

[QUOTE=Canada;2588143]I was just correcting a lie from a poster who said I need to continue working on my GED. I do have a high school education in fact top of my class. I did not go to college and I do not have an MBA. I am successful because I worked harder than most, took more risks than most and had confidence in my abilities. I learned business the hard way. Not in school. I know several people with extensive more schooling and degrees that are broke today.

I have had businesses in several countries and dealt with governments in several countries. It is just sickening the people on this site that never had a business, never hired hundreds of employees never did international business lie about how things are done in USA or other countries. The things I did are easy to prove. I took my company and others public. We were bought out by a billion dollar public company. Everything is public knowledge and was publicly reported including purchase prices. All this can be substantiated with public documents. Just because most of the posters on this site are liberal welfare cases they want condemn it. Biden will not hurt me or my grandkids lifestyle. Liberal socialists will pay the price of Biden incompetency.[/QUOTE]Why don't you ask your former import manager if, when you imported goods from other countries, did [B]your company[/B] pay import tariffs on the goods you imported or did the exporting country pay the tariff for you?

Or, if you only exported goods, ask your former export manager whether your customers paid import tariffs on what they bought from you or whether the USA paid those tariffs.

I know the answer. Do you?

[QUOTE=Canada;2588125]Here is one from CNN who you love. Obviously you are the biggest liar here and will lie again. Every time proof is provided you ignore it or go to a liberal site that says opposite. Defunding police is real for democrats and the crime shows it. Democrats trying to eliminate ICE and Homeland Security are on the news daily even on CNN. Why do you keep lying about these issues? Lie after lie by you and democrats will not change the real world. The crises at the border will actually be worse without ICE and Homeland Security. I know you are not smart enough to realize this but 70% of Americans are.

[URL]https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/11/p...ity/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Once again the truth is being ignored by the socialists.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2588086]I suspect there has been a full-court-press by supporters of TrumpShip to find "moldable" officers to be used in perpetuating the associate to the Big Lie.

About crowd behavior.

Going to be interesting to see how Shit supporters try to paint the nearly two hours where TS pretended he Nero fiddling as the destruction happened.

And TS refused to send in the National Guard and stop his insurrection.[/QUOTE]Pelosi was in charge of security January 6. If she was worried about safety concerns she would have added security and called the National Guard. Not Trump. Pelosi fucked up. That is why she hand picked her committee so she would not have to answer why she did not have proper security. It is her job. She failed miserly and now wants to push the blame.

"Due to the rules of the United States Capitol, the power structure of the Capitol, Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, has more control and authority and responsibility over the leadership of the Capitol police than anyone else in the United States Capitol," Banks said. "So she doesn't want us to ask these questions because at the end of the day, she's ultimately responsible for the breakdown of security at the Capitol that happened on Jan. 6."

Pelosi as speaker does not directly oversee the USA Capitol Police (USCP), according to the Associated Press, but does appoint a House sergeant at arms, who is on the Capitol Police Board that oversees the department. The department is also overseen by committees from both houses of Congress.

Banks claimed that Pelosi does not want to talk about what happened at the Capitol on Jan. 6 and that she's "already predetermined a narrative about Donald Trump, about Republicans.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2588086]I suspect there has been a full-court-press by supporters of TrumpShip to find "moldable" officers to be used in perpetuating the associate to the Big Lie.

About crowd behavior.

Going to be interesting to see how Shit supporters try to paint the nearly two hours where TS pretended he Nero fiddling as the destruction happened.

And TS refused to send in the National Guard and stop his insurrection.[/QUOTE]Demographically, it is more likely than not the 4 cops who have now committed suicide after engaging in prolonged violent combat with Traitor Trump's Insurrection Mob trying to overturn a free and fair election and overthrow American democracy were Republicans, voted for Trump and watched FUX News Channel on a daily basis rather than, say, MSNBC.

Imagine the perfect storm of deep personal shame, unbearable despair and profound regret over what they wrought with their vote, suffered at the hands of their fellow Republicans and then, in the case of the 2 recent ones, getting mocked and denigrated by the likes of Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham for their heroic effort to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and the lives of the people who work for us in that Capitol Building in the days before taking their own lives. Sad.

[QUOTE=Canada;2588125]Here is one from CNN who you love. Obviously you are the biggest liar here and will lie again. Every time proof is provided you ignore it or go to a liberal site that says opposite. Defunding police is real for democrats and the crime shows it. Democrats trying to eliminate ICE and Homeland Security are on the news daily even on CNN. Why do you keep lying about these issues? Lie after lie by you and democrats will not change the real world. The crises at the border will actually be worse without ICE and Homeland Security. I know you are not smart enough to realize this but 70% of Americans are.

[URL]https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/11/p...ity/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Here's an idea. Let's go back any period of time you choose. From that point until today, you count the number of posts in which I have mentioned either "defund the police" or "ICE" or "Homeland Security". I'll go back the same time period and count the number of posts where you have said that someone used "fake news" as proof.

Whoever has the lowest number wins and whoever has the highest number is the biggest liar. Are you up for it?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2588207]Why don't you ask your former import manager if, when you imported goods from other countries, did [B]your company[/B] pay import tariffs on the goods you imported or did the exporting country pay the tariff for you?

Or, if you only exported goods, ask your former export manager whether your customers paid import tariffs on what they bought from you or whether the USA paid those tariffs.

I know the answer. Do you?[/QUOTE]I think the "owner" of Van-del-ay Industries needs to do some research. Haha.

[QUOTE=Canada;2588218]Pelosi was in charge of security January 6. If she was worried about safety concerns she would have added security and called the National Guard. Not Trump. Pelosi fucked up. That is why she hand picked her committee so she would not have to answer why she did not have proper security. It is her job. She failed miserly and now wants to push the blame.

"Due to the rules of the United States Capitol, the power structure of the Capitol, Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, has more control and authority and responsibility over the leadership of the Capitol police than anyone else in the United States Capitol," Banks said. "So she doesn't want us to ask these questions because at the end of the day, she's ultimately responsible for the breakdown of security at the Capitol that happened on Jan. 6."

Pelosi as speaker does not directly oversee the USA Capitol Police (USCP), according to the Associated Press, but does appoint a House sergeant at arms, who is on the Capitol Police Board that oversees the department. The department is also overseen by committees from both houses of Congress.

Banks claimed that Pelosi does not want to talk about what happened at the Capitol on Jan. 6 and that she's "already predetermined a narrative about Donald Trump, about Republicans.[/QUOTE]The Associated Press fact-checked this false claim being made recently by GOP to sucker their followers:

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9909210228[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2588218]Pelosi was in charge of security January 6. If she was worried about safety concerns she would have added security and called the National Guard. Not Trump. Pelosi fucked up. That is why she hand picked her committee so she would not have to answer why she did not have proper security. It is her job. She failed miserly and now wants to push the blame.

"Due to the rules of the United States Capitol, the power structure of the Capitol, Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, has more control and authority and responsibility over the leadership of the Capitol police than anyone else in the United States Capitol," Banks said. "So she doesn't want us to ask these questions because at the end of the day, she's ultimately responsible for the breakdown of security at the Capitol that happened on Jan. 6."

Pelosi as speaker does not directly oversee the USA Capitol Police (USCP), according to the Associated Press, but does appoint a House sergeant at arms, who is on the Capitol Police Board that oversees the department. The department is also overseen by committees from both houses of Congress.

Banks claimed that Pelosi does not want to talk about what happened at the Capitol on Jan. 6 and that she's "already predetermined a narrative about Donald Trump, about Republicans.[/QUOTE]Why is it that you [B]absolutely refuse[/B] to include relevant links to your opinions?

As usual, you have your so-called facts wrong. [URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/27/fact-check-nancy-pelosi-isnt-in-charge-capitol-police/8082088002/[/URL] and [URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9909210228[/URL] and [URL]https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/72721[/URL].

This post was intended for “rants and WTF thread

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2588295]The Associated Press fact-checked this false claim being made recently by GOP to sucker their followers:

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9909210228[/URL][/QUOTE]Fake news posts are not acceptable on this site for rebuttals. If you are going to provide an alternative post it can't be fake news.

[QUOTE=Canada;2588363]Fake news posts are not acceptable on this site for rebuttals. If you are going to provide an alternative post it can't be fake news.[/QUOTE]I would go with the Associated Press (AP), and its 175-year history of bringing the world genuine, accurate news.

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[QUOTE=Canada;2588363]Fake news posts are not acceptable on this site for rebuttals. If you are going to provide an alternative post it can't be fake news.[/QUOTE]

The AP is "fake news"? If this person believes that then clearly there is no reaching him. Certainly nothing can be done in this forum, or even through individual psychotherapy. Unfortunately, many people with a delusional disorder do not seek help. It often is difficult for people with a mental disorder to recognize that they are not well.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2588295]The Associated Press fact-checked this false claim being made recently by GOP to sucker their followers:

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9909210228[/URL][/QUOTE]Was just more fake news from the fake wingnut news media, that guys like Canada fall for hook, line, and sinker every time.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2588205]Anybody here getting spam from Democrats begging for money? How about from Repugnantins...[/QUOTE]I have not been a registered republican for more than 14 years.

Yet there is no slow-down in the contribution requests I still get from republican candidates. About three a week.

Most now come from TrumpShit, it makes me laugh.

I am glad that I hung on to my paper passport, which was completed when I got my second vaccine shot on April 24th. (Covid-19 Vaccine Record Card).

I was thinking of laminating mine.

But I won't because it has two blank lines labeled "other" (presumably for use when and if I get booster shots).

At good venues in Orange County and the rest of SoCal it will help keep out the unwashed and unvaccinated.

Rubbing shoulders with the stupid is disgusting. Had enough of it when I was employed as a teacher.

When was the last time Faux News would trash their heroes like, I don't know, Kavanaugh or Roy Moore or any other right-wing asshole caught with their pants down?

But CNN and MSNBC ripped democratic governor Cuomo all day long today. No epithets spared, no love lost. Fake news, yep, sure, aha.

On an unrelated note, are there more sad and pathetic creatures than USA Politicians?

The poor SOB couldn't help himself. He just had to TOUCH women. That's pathetic.

At least Clinton got something tangible from a consenting female. Cuomo is into TOUCHING anything with tits for fuck's sake.

What's wrong with these guys? He's not even married or anything. Get fucking laid.

Remember Spitzer caught wiring $2,000 to a hooker?

Remember that governor from one of the Carolinas (I think) who just said fuckall and flew to Argentina to fuck his GF?

All these guys need is a quarterly fact-finding mission to Brazil. America would be a happier place, I tell you.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2588412]When was the last time Faux News would trash their heroes like, I don't know, Kavanaugh or Roy Moore or any other right-wing asshole caught with their pants down?

But CNN and MSNBC ripped democratic governor Cuomo all day long today. No epithets spared, no love lost. Fake news, yep, sure, aha.

On an unrelated note, are there more sad and pathetic creatures than USA Politicians?

The poor SOB couldn't help himself. He just had to TOUCH women. That's pathetic.

At least Clinton got something tangible from a consenting female. Cuomo is into TOUCHING anything with tits for fuck's sake.

What's wrong with these guys? He's not even married or anything. Get fucking laid.

Remember Spitzer caught wiring $2,000 to a hooker?

Remember that governor from one of the Carolinas (I think) who just said fuckall and flew to Argentina to fuck his GF?

All these guys need is a quarterly fact-finding mission to Brazil. America would be a happier place, I tell you.[/QUOTE]I'll bet that "you know who" doesn't call CNN's trashing of Cuomo or Biden's suggestion that Cuomo resign as "Fake news".

I'll also bet that he doesn't know what "confirmation bias" means.

On a side note, don't forget Jerry Springer who paid a hooker with a personal check.

[QUOTE=Canada;2588218]Pelosi was in charge of security January 6. If she was worried about safety concerns she would have added security and called the National Guard. Not Trump. Pelosi fucked up. That is why she hand picked her committee so she would not have to answer why she did not have proper security. It is her job. She failed miserly and now wants to push the blame.

"Due to the rules of the United States Capitol, the power structure of the Capitol, Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, has more control and authority and responsibility over the leadership of the Capitol police than anyone else in the United States Capitol," Banks said. "So she doesn't want us to ask these questions because at the end of the day, she's ultimately responsible for the breakdown of security at the Capitol that happened on Jan. 6."

Pelosi as speaker does not directly oversee the USA Capitol Police (USCP), according to the Associated Press, but does appoint a House sergeant at arms, who is on the Capitol Police Board that oversees the department. The department is also overseen by committees from both houses of Congress.

Banks claimed that Pelosi does not want to talk about what happened at the Capitol on Jan. 6 and that she's "already predetermined a narrative about Donald Trump, about Republicans.[/QUOTE]You don't seem to understand how the Capitol Police force is structured. Please don't post stuff without doing the research first.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2588382]The AP is "fake news"? If this person believes that then clearly there is no reaching him. Certainly nothing can be done in this forum, or even through individual psychotherapy. Unfortunately, many people with a delusional disorder do not seek help. It often is difficult for people with a mental disorder to recognize that they are not well.[/QUOTE]If their delusion about provable facts being "fake news" while the easily debunked horseshit crapped out of Tucker Carlson, Laura Igraham, Sean Hannity, Donald Trump and the rest of the FUX News Channel traitors every day is the "gospel truth" only resulted in serious harm to themselves and no one else it would be a bad but hilarious joke.

Unfortunately, since it has shown to result in hundreds of thousands of American deaths, more around the world, massive USA job losses in the millions, Trillion$ in lost USA household wealth and now the potential destruction of American democracy, it can't be dismissed as a bad joke just on them. It is turning America into a shithole country the likes of which Americans used to pity.

[URL]https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/mary-trump-on-whether-donald-trump-will-run-again-in-2024-117869125703[/URL]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1422633366361366529

[QUOTE=Canada;2588363]Fake news posts are not acceptable on this site for rebuttals. If you are going to provide an alternative post it can't be fake news.[/QUOTE]Why is it that you label everything "fake news" except stuff from the always wrong "Gateway Pundit" or the crackpot "InfoWars".

You need to look up the term "Confirmation Bias". It is a real term.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2588531]If their delusion about provable facts being "fake news" while the easily debunked horseshit crapped out of Tucker Carlson, Laura Igraham, Sean Hannity, Donald Trump and the rest of the FUX News Channel traitors every day is the "gospel truth" only resulted in serious harm to themselves and no one else it would be a bad but hilarious joke.

Unfortunately, since it has shown to result in hundreds of thousands of American deaths, more around the world, massive USA job losses in the millions, Trillion$ in lost USA household wealth and now the potential destruction of American democracy, it can't be dismissed as a bad joke just on them. It is turning America into a shithole country the likes of which Americans used to pity.

[URL]https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/mary-trump-on-whether-donald-trump-will-run-again-in-2024-117869125703[/URL]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1422633366361366529[/QUOTE]Keep watching the propaganda from Fake News CNN and MSNBC. It has worked for the Chinese and Russian governments for years. The democrats are destroying America like previous communist leaders. Keep watching fake news. Keep watching fake news about democrats helping the poor and helping blacks. Keep watching fake news telling you how great it is for Americans that they are letting millions of illegals get on government assistance. Let your grandkids suffer because of your stupidity. Hopefully you get to see your grandkids working to pay off your debt. It is comforting to know my 5 year old grandson won't be suffering like your grandkids because he already has more money for retirement now that all of you put together. You guys keep posting all the great imaginary things that Biden is doing.

The following report should alarm everyone here except the ISG doctors and Rethuglican anti-vaxxers. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/delta-variant-making-younger-adults-120332333.html[/URL].

It is my fond hope that, for them, Darwinism is real.

"Overconfident Idiot" according to Real Estate Grifter Boy Wonder and now international financier, Kushie, KAC has received a hefty advance to get her licks in. Will she tear a new *hole for Fat Nixon? "Of all the White House insiders Kellyanne is going to write the most unvarnished, eye-popping account of her time working for the (EX) president. She's got some of us quaking in our boots" sources say. Will Huckleberry Sanders finally tell the truth (no "slip o' the tongue) in case she receives a subpoena to testify under oath again?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2588560]Why is it that you label everything "fake news" except stuff from the always wrong "Gateway Pundit" or the crackpot "InfoWars".

You need to look up the term "Confirmation Bias". It is a real term.[/QUOTE]Don't forget his favorite source, the World Tribune! Wink.

[URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-tribune/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2588562]Keep watching the propaganda from Fake News CNN and MSNBC. It has worked for the Chinese and Russian governments for years.[/QUOTE]You're confused again. It's your cult leader who has worked for the Russian government for years.

[QUOTE=Canada;2588562] It is comforting to know my 5 year old grandson won't be suffering like your grandkids because he already has more money for retirement now that all of you put together.[/QUOTE]Humble words from a modest man, indeed.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2588639]Humble words from a modest man, indeed.[/QUOTE]Rest assured that he's broke, hasn't even mongering money, as he hasn't a grasp on literacy plus he spends most of his days here reciting the same mantras. Not to mention that people with real wealth don't need to constantly brag about it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2588531]
Unfortunately, since it has shown to result in hundreds of thousands of American deaths, more around the world, massive USA job losses in the millions, Trillion$ in lost USA household wealth and now the potential destruction of American democracy, it can't be dismissed as a bad joke just on them. It is turning America into a shithole country the likes of which Americans used to pity.

[URL]https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/mary-trump-on-whether-donald-trump-will-run-again-in-2024-117869125703[/URL]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1422633366361366529[/QUOTE]Agreed. And it's mindboggling that for the first time in the world history (historians may correct me if I'm wrong) this is happening in a rich, prosperous nation rather than a country devoured by a war or ravaged by hunger. Covid alone hasn't done it, it's Covid under Trump that's turned it into a perfect shitstorm.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2588645]Agreed. And it's mindboggling that for the first time in the world history (historians may correct me if I'm wrong) this is happening in a rich, prosperous nation rather than a country devoured by a war or ravaged by hunger. Covid alone hasn't done it, it's Covid under Trump that's turned it into a perfect shitstorm.[/QUOTE]Here is the root of all of America's current serious, crippling problems; the entire Republican Party is disgustingly rotten and anti-American democracy from the head down, even THEY know it, and there are too many of them in positions of power:

[quote]Mr Trump told Mr Rosen and Mr Donoghue to say that the election had been "illegal" and "corrupt", despite a lack of evidence for this claim and that election security experts had said that the election had been conducted in a safe, free, and fair manner.
...
Mr Donoghue's notes state that Mr Trump said: "Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the are. Congressmen."[/quote]

[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-doj-2020-election-b1893990.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2588562]Keep watching the propaganda from Fake News CNN and MSNBC. It has worked for the Chinese and Russian governments for years. The democrats are destroying America like previous communist leaders. Keep watching fake news. Keep watching fake news about democrats helping the poor and helping blacks. Keep watching fake news telling you how great it is for Americans that they are letting millions of illegals get on government assistance. Let your grandkids suffer because of your stupidity. Hopefully you get to see your grandkids working to pay off your debt. It is comforting to know my 5 year old grandson won't be suffering like your grandkids because he already has more money for retirement now that all of you put together. You guys keep posting all the great imaginary things that Biden is doing.[/QUOTE]How come Fux "News" hasn't reported on your BS story re: the dead CBP agent? Does that mean they are Fake News also? Why do you label every news source Fake News except discredited rightwingnut sources? Look up "Confirmation Bias". Look up "Projection".

You say that you're successful and smart, but you've almost never included links to back up your opinions like a real smart, successful person would. You have an opinion on everything but when you are contradicted with real proof, you take the grade-school and dump approach and spew names and yell "FAKE NEWS" at the top of your lungs.

And you call us stupid?

This is what I meant by saying even THEY know how disgustingly rotten and anti-American democracy from the head down every member of the Republican Party knows their Party is:

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2588665]
"... Mr Trump said: "Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the [b]R[/b] Congressmen."

[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-doj-2020-election-b1893990.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2588645]Agreed. And it's mindboggling that for the first time in the world history (historians may correct me if I'm wrong) this is happening in a rich, prosperous nation rather than a country devoured by a war or ravaged by hunger. Covid alone hasn't done it, it's Covid under Trump that's turned it into a perfect shitstorm.[/QUOTE]Insofar as jobs lost, loss of wealth, I think the Great Depression was worse.

But the orange buffoon's botched response to COVID killed more Americans than all American combat deaths in WWII. His botched response resulted in America's average age going down. Of course, RethugliKKKans will be the first to equivocate but the facts are clear: the orange buffoon was to blame.

What I don't understand is why he has tried so hard to keep a job that he was so bad at. I guess the "Peter Principle" was right: he rose to his level of incompetence. Then got kicked to the curb.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2588560]Why is it that you label everything "fake news" except stuff from the always wrong "Gateway Pundit" or the crackpot "InfoWars".

You need to look up the term "Confirmation Bias". It is a real term.[/QUOTE]Fake news is fake news. You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. From Russian collusion to BLB. Fake news no matter how you dress it up.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2588531]If their delusion about provable facts being "fake news" while the easily debunked horseshit crapped out of Tucker Carlson, Laura Igraham, Sean Hannity, Donald Trump and the rest of the FUX News Channel traitors every day is the "gospel truth" only resulted in serious harm to themselves and no one else it would be a bad but hilarious joke.

Unfortunately, since it has shown to result in hundreds of thousands of American deaths, more around the world, massive USA job losses in the millions, Trillion$ in lost USA household wealth and now the potential destruction of American democracy, it can't be dismissed as a bad joke just on them. It is turning America into a shithole country the likes of which Americans used to pity.

[URL]https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/mary-trump-on-whether-donald-trump-will-run-again-in-2024-117869125703[/URL]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1422633366361366529[/QUOTE]Yes it is Republicans standing for the National Anthem and honoring the fosters and stripes that is hurting the country. It is the a republicans that want a secure border and criminals prosecuted that hurst the USA. It is not the democrats who turn their back and kneel for the National Anthem that creates division. It is not the democrats who hate America, love illegal immigration and defund the police that hurt USA. It is not the democrats who are trying to eliminate ICE and Homeland security that hurts America. It is the hard working Republicans who pay taxes, support the police, ICE and Homeland security that is hurting USA.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2588686]This is what I meant by saying even THEY know how disgustingly rotten and anti-American democracy from the head down every member of the Republican Party knows their Party is:[/QUOTE]There are many very good people in the Republican party. They seem to get drowned out at times. There are also utter and complete idiots who I won't honor by mentioning their irrelevant names. These people are and will be costing the Republican ticket votes. Their fanaticism to fudge the truth about a not so conservative narcicist with autocratic leanings will peter out. And a few good people liky Paul Ryan and others shall shine again.

What was Paul Ryan's position on govt spending when he was first elected and what was his legacy on govt spending when he left office?

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2588707]There are many very good people in the Republican party. They seem to get drowned out at times. There are also utter and complete idiots who I won't honor by mentioning their irrelevant names. These people are and will be costing the Republican ticket votes. Their fanaticism to fudge the truth about a not so conservative narcicist with autocratic leanings will peter out. And a few good people liky Paul Ryan and others shall shine again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Canada;2588694]Fake news is fake news. You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. From Russian collusion to BLB. Fake news no matter how you dress it up.[/QUOTE]You called "Riggo's Rag", a Washington Football Team fan site "fake news" solely because they contradicted your lie that some NFL teams were 80% unvaccinated. So, to you, anything is "fake news" that contradicts your, oftentimes warped, opinion. C'Mon., defend that. [URL]https://riggosrag.com/[/URL].

You called the Associated Press "fake news" when a poster used an AP article to prove you wrong. Again. The AP has been around since 1846. Do you actually think that they would have lasted for over 150 years if all they told were lies? C'Mon., defend that.

Then, when you came up with yet another lie about the death of a CBP afent, Fux "News" didn't report your lie. How come you didn't call them "fake news"? C'Mon, defend that.

And lastly, when CNN and other of your so-called "fake news" outlets pilloried Gov. Cuomo, what did you do? You stayed silent. How come? C'on, defend that.

What shade of lipstick do you wear?

[QUOTE=Canada;2588697]Yes it is Republicans standing for the National Anthem and honoring the fosters and stripes that is hurting the country. It is the a republicans that want a secure border and criminals prosecuted that hurst the USA. It is not the democrats who turn their back and kneel for the National Anthem that creates division. It is not the democrats who hate America, love illegal immigration and defund the police that hurt USA. It is not the democrats who are trying to eliminate ICE and Homeland security that hurts America. It is the hard working Republicans who pay taxes, support the police, ICE and Homeland security that is hurting USA.[/QUOTE]And yet, with all of your unhinged rants, you still haven't bothered to post a link where a Democratic politician at the national level has said "I want open borders."

How come? Is Google hiding those pesky links again?

"A GOP official from Texas who regularly espoused anti-vaccine and anti-mask views online has died from COVID-19, five days after posting a meme on Facebook questioning the wisdom of getting inoculated against COVID."

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/texas-gop-official-mocked-covid-213828504.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2588689]Insofar as jobs lost, loss of wealth, I think the Great Depression was worse.

But the orange buffoon's botched response to COVID killed more Americans than all American combat deaths in WWII. His botched response resulted in America's average age going down. Of course, RethugliKKKans will be the first to equivocate but the facts are clear: the orange buffoon was to blame.

What I don't understand is why he has tried so hard to keep a job that he was so bad at. I guess the "Peter Principle" was right: he rose to his level of incompetence. Then got kicked to the curb.[/QUOTE]Yes, but I didn't mean the economic downturn or even loss of life due to the pandemic. I'm talking about the mindset of almost half of the Americans who're ready and willing to embrace authoritarian leaders and do away with democracy and our way of life.

That has never been the case. Not during the Great Depression, not ever. That's the last 30 years of American history, from Gingrich to Trump.

The Republican Party has become the only major ultra-right political party in the world. Another record.

Should we really be surprised that so many republicans are enamored with Putin?

[B]How the GOP Became the Party of Putin

Republicans have sold their souls to Russia. And Trump isnt the only reason why[/B]

[URL]https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/18/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-putin-215387/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2588707]There are many very good people in the Republican party. They seem to get drowned out at times. There are also utter and complete idiots who I won't honor by mentioning their irrelevant names. These people are and will be costing the Republican ticket votes. Their fanaticism to fudge the truth about a not so conservative narcicist with autocratic leanings will peter out. And a few good people liky Paul Ryan and others shall shine again.[/QUOTE]Anyone with access to current and historical facts and data who is still calling him/herself a Republican today is by far more of the problem than the solution. I'll even include those too embarrassed by the results of their Party's governance to call themselves a Republican and hide behind the term "Independent". If there are a couple of "good people" still suggesting any sane pro-American ought to vote for a Republican again after what they have been responsible for over the past 100 years or more, then they are horribly misguided "good people" and are every bit as bad for America as the knowingly and proud anti-America Repubs.

The reason those possible couple of "good people" in the Republican Party get drowned out is because producing positive results for America is not what their chosen Party is about. Never has been. Never will be. Their Party's mission is to produce the exact opposite of positive results for America. And in that mission they have proven to be terrifically competent and successful whenever the American electorate is foolish enough to give them another, another and another chance to demonstrate their expertise at doing that very thing and nothing else.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2588712]What was Paul Ryan's position on govt spending when he was first elected and what was his legacy on govt spending when he left office?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]Theres two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump, McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthys assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.[/QUOTE]When the Republican Party House Leader then and NOW openly acknowledged his Party's wildly and historically popular (with virtually ALL Republicans to this very day) so-called potus behaved AS THOUGH he was on Russia's payroll and might indeed have BEEN on Russia's payroll at the time but the Republican House Speaker demanded his fellow "America First" bullshitters swear an oath of secrecy about it, sorry, folks, that is NOT a "very good person" for anyone except Putin.

Imagine how different the world would be today and how many Americans would still be alive if that supposedly "very good person" Paul Ryan had not demanded his fellow Repubs behave and keep quiet about what every lucid person on the planet with at least minimal comprehension skills could figure out and instead, oh I don't know, spearheaded and supported an Impeachment, conviction and removal from office for Trump sometime before he wasted Trillion$ on that totally useless idiotic December 2017 economic legislation and defunded the CDC in 2018.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2588790]Yes, but I didn't mean the economic downturn or even loss of life due to the pandemic. I'm talking about the mindset of almost half of the Americans who're ready and willing to embrace authoritarian leaders and do away with democracy and our way of life.

That has never been the case. Not during the Great Depression, not ever. That's the last 30 years of American history, from Gingrich to Trump.

The Republican Party has become the only major ultra-right political party in the world. Another record.

Should we really be surprised that so many republicans are enamored with Putin?

[B]How the GOP Became the Party of Putin

Republicans have sold their souls to Russia. And Trump isnt the only reason why[/B]

[URL]https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/18/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-putin-215387/[/URL][/QUOTE]"Conservatives" and Republicans' favoring Putin over the duly elected President of the United States pre-dates Trump. There was nothing new about Trump's praise and admiration for Putin/Russia over America in the Republican Party. Trump simply fit in perfectly with the anti-Americanism his Party wanted to see and hear from their elected leaders.

[b]Conservatives harbor an odd admiration for Vladimir Putin[/b]
March 7, 2014
[URL]https://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-xpm-2014-mar-07-la-na-tt-conservatives-admiration-for-putin-20140306-story.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]All of this suggests two things. One is that conservatives despise Obama as much as they ever detested any Soviet leader and so they give more slack to Russias president than they do to their own. The other is that todays conservatives like their leaders to be testosterone-driven tough guys who dispense with niceties and nuance.

Oh, how happy they would be if they could find their own Vladimir Putin to run for president in 2016.[/QUOTE]Of course, they despised Obama. He took over in the midst of still another Great Republican Crash, Recession/Depression and massive USA job destruction and, through his, Pelosi, Reid and the Dems' smarts, determination and strength produced and presided over one of the greatest and longest USA economic recoveries, expansions, jobs creation and stock market Bull Runs in history, all of which is the exact opposite of everything the Republican Party wants for America. By stark contrast, Trump delivered on their every wish beautifully.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2588732]"A GOP official from Texas who regularly espoused anti-vaccine and anti-mask views online has died from COVID-19, five days after posting a meme on Facebook questioning the wisdom of getting inoculated against COVID."

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/texas-gop-official-mocked-covid-213828504.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Sad, very sad indeed, when you think this all could have been avoided.

Dude leaves behind a wife and child. The wife is COVID positive, so let hope she pulls through for sake of the child.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2588815]"Conservatives" and Republicans' favoring Putin over the duly elected President of the United States pre-dates Trump. There was nothing new about Trump's praise and admiration for Putin/Russia over America in the Republican Party. Trump simply fit in perfectly with the anti-Americanism his Party wanted to see and hear from their elected leaders.

[b]Conservatives harbor an odd admiration for Vladimir Putin[/b]
March 7, 2014
[URL]https://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-xpm-2014-mar-07-la-na-tt-conservatives-admiration-for-putin-20140306-story.html[/URL]

Of course, they despised Obama. He took over in the midst of still another Great Republican Crash, Recession/Depression and massive USA job destruction and, through his, Pelosi, Reid and the Dems' smarts, determination and strength produced and presided over one of the greatest and longest USA economic recoveries, expansions, jobs creation and stock market Bull Runs in history, all of which is the exact opposite of everything the Republican Party wants for America. By stark contrast, Trump delivered on their every wish beautifully.[/QUOTE]Of course RethugliKKKants hate Obama. He is black. He put black people into positions of power and RethugliKKKans hated that. Look at how many of them have a HO for BLM. Of course, they'll point to a few instances of rioting and paint all of BLM as terrorists. Even the MAGA slogan is racist as I and others have long pointed out. [URL]https://medium.com/s/story/the-maga-hat-rorschach-test-41f466364cfc[/URL] and [URL]https://chiniquy.wordpress.com/2015/12/17/african-americans-have-suffered-from-caucasian-american-terrorism-for-over-100-years/[/URL].

The sad part of all of this isn't that racism exists or that dumpism merely gave racists the cover to come out into the sunlight. No, the sad part is that HRC was right, at least in part. She called dumpers "a basket of deplorables". Since 74+ million of them voted for dump in 2020, she was wrong only in the size of the container.

I came across this as a comment on why liberals think Trump supporters are stupid?

It's well worth a read.

The serious answer: Here's what we really think about Trump supporters. The rich, the poor, the malignant and the innocently well-meaning, the ones who think and the ones who don't.

That when you saw a man who had owned a fraudulent University, intent on scamming poor people, you thought "Fine."

That when you saw a man who had made it his business practice to stiff his creditors, you said, "Okay."

That when you heard him proudly brag about his own history of sexual abuse, you said, "No problem."

That when he made up stories about seeing Muslim-Americans in the thousands cheering the destruction of the World Trade Center, you said, "Not an issue."

That when you saw him brag that he could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and you wouldn't care, you chirped, "he sure knows me."

That when you heard him illustrate his own character by telling that cute story about the elderly guest bleeding on the floor at his country club, the story about how he turned his back and how it was all an imposition on him, you said, "That's cool!

That when you saw him mock the disabled, you thought it was the funniest thing you ever saw.

That when you heard him brag that he doesn't read books, you said, "Well, who has time?

That when the Central Park Five were compensated as innocent men convicted of a crime they didn't commit, and he angrily said that they should still be in prison, you said, "That makes sense."

That when you heard him tell his supporters to beat up protesters and that he would hire attorneys, you thought, Yes!

That when you heard him tell one rally to confiscate a man's coat before throwing him out into the freezing cold, you said, "What a great guy!

That you have watched the parade of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with whom he curries favor, while refusing to condemn outright Nazis, and you have said, "Thumbs up!

That you hear him unable to talk to foreign dignitaries without insulting their countries and demanding that they praise his electoral win, you said, "That's the way I want my President to be."

That you have watched him remove expertise from all layers of government in favor of people who make money off of eliminating protections in the industries they're supposed to be regulating and you have said, "What a genius!

That you have heard him continue to profit from his businesses, in part by leveraging his position as President, to the point of overcharging the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, and you have said, "That's smart!

That you have heard him say that it was difficult to help Puerto Rico because it was in the middle of water and you have said, "That makes sense."

That you have seen him start fights with every country from Canada to New Zealand while praising Russia and quote, "falling in love" with the dictator of North Korea, and you have said, "That's statesmanship!

That Trump separated children from their families and put them in cages, managed to lose track of 1500 kids, has opened a tent city incarceration camp in the desert in Texas. He explains that they're just "animals" - and you say, "Well, OK then. "

That you have witnessed all the thousand and one other manifestations of corruption and low moral character and outright animalistic rudeness and contempt for you, the working American voter, and you still show up grinning and wearing your MAGA hats and threatening to beat up anybody who says otherwise.

What you don't get, Trump supporters in 2020, is that succumbing to frustration and thinking of you as stupid may be wrong and unhelpful, but it's also. Hear me. Charitable.

Because if you're NOT stupid, we must turn to other explanations, and most of them are less flattering.

The Repugnant Q Anon Party operates under a large tent in a wasteland of ideas. Religious zealots, white supremacy, gun nuts, liberal contrarians who want to control others lives, but insist "don't tread on my tea party" Yeah, the Democrats are silly, thinking they can counteract the trend towards an authoritarian "strong man" who would roll back decades of progressive laws. Yeah, sleepy joe is a fool, Harris, a ineffective place holder. The wall should be located at the Mason-Dixon Line and another surrounding "Greater Idaho".

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2588939]I came across this as a comment on why liberals think Trump supporters are stupid?

It's well worth a read.

The serious answer: Here's what we really think about Trump supporters. The rich, the poor, the malignant and the innocently well-meaning, the ones who think and the ones who don't.

That when you saw a man who had owned a fraudulent University, intent on scamming poor people, you thought "Fine."

That when you saw a man who had made it his business practice to stiff his creditors, you said, "Okay."

That when you heard him proudly brag about his own history of sexual abuse, you said, "No problem."

That when he made up stories about seeing Muslim-Americans in the thousands cheering the destruction of the World Trade Center, you said, "Not an issue."

That when you saw him brag that he could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and you wouldn't care, you chirped, "he sure knows me."

That when you heard him illustrate his own character by telling that cute story about the elderly guest bleeding on the floor at his country club, the story about how he turned his back and how it was all an imposition on him, you said, "That's cool!

That when you saw him mock the disabled, you thought it was the funniest thing you ever saw.

That when you heard him brag that he doesn't read books, you said, "Well, who has time?

That when the Central Park Five were compensated as innocent men convicted of a crime they didn't commit, and he angrily said that they should still be in prison, you said, "That makes sense."

That when you heard him tell his supporters to beat up protesters and that he would hire attorneys, you thought, Yes!

That when you heard him tell one rally to confiscate a man's coat before throwing him out into the freezing cold, you said, "What a great guy!

That you have watched the parade of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with whom he curries favor, while refusing to condemn outright Nazis, and you have said, "Thumbs up!

That you hear him unable to talk to foreign dignitaries without insulting their countries and demanding that they praise his electoral win, you said, "That's the way I want my President to be."

That you have watched him remove expertise from all layers of government in favor of people who make money off of eliminating protections in the industries they're supposed to be regulating and you have said, "What a genius![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2588790]Yes, but I didn't mean the economic downturn or even loss of life due to the pandemic. I'm talking about the mindset of almost half of the Americans who're ready and willing to embrace authoritarian leaders and do away with democracy and our way of life.

That has never been the case. Not during the Great Depression, not ever. That's the last 30 years of American history, from Gingrich to Trump.

The Republican Party has become the only major ultra-right political party in the world. Another record.

Should we really be surprised that so many republicans are enamored with Putin?

[B]How the GOP Became the Party of Putin

Republicans have sold their souls to Russia. And Trump isnt the only reason why[/B]

[URL]https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/18/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-putin-215387/[/URL][/QUOTE]Shelved 2017 article by a fruity piss boy who has never stepped out of the sandbox. Why bother to re-post such nonsense? Here is from today:

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/george-soros-dismantle-replace-minneapolis-police[/URL]

[QUOTE=Questner;2589110]Shelved 2017 article by a fruity piss boy who has never stepped out of the sandbox. Why bother to re-post such nonsense? Here is from today:

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/george-soros-dismantle-replace-minneapolis-police[/URL][/QUOTE]And what, pray tell, does this drivel have to do with the sick republicans' fascination with Putin?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2589147]And what, pray tell, does this drivel have to do with the sick republicans' fascination with Putin?[/QUOTE]I was about to ask the same question but you beat me to it. Chalk it up as a case of whataboutism extraordinaire. Wink.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2588933]Of course RethugliKKKants hate Obama. He is black. He put black people into positions of power and RethugliKKKans hated that. Look at how many of them have a HO for BLM. Of course, they'll point to a few instances of rioting and paint all of BLM as terrorists. Even the MAGA slogan is racist as I and others have long pointed out. [URL]https://medium.com/s/story/the-maga-hat-rorschach-test-41f466364cfc[/URL] and [URL]https://chiniquy.wordpress.com/2015/12/17/african-americans-have-suffered-from-caucasian-american-terrorism-for-over-100-years/[/URL].

The sad part of all of this isn't that racism exists or that dumpism merely gave racists the cover to come out into the sunlight. No, the sad part is that HRC was right, at least in part. She called dumpers "a basket of deplorables". Since 74+ million of them voted for dump in 2020, she was wrong only in the size of the container.[/QUOTE]Oh, sure, the fact that Obama is black AND turned around the typical shit results he inherited from the outgoing Repub to produce the same far superior USA economic, jobs creation and national security results over Repubs that every other Dem produced for the past 100 years or more meant he will always be a special target for their hatred.

But Repubs despised FDR, JFK/LBJ, Carter, Clinton and now Biden for the same latter reason without any of them being black. Truman not so much only because he did not spoil the Repub fun of destroying the USA economy by dramatically turning it around when he took over. FDR had already done that.

This earlier post was a great and painfully truthful summation, btw:
[B]I copied this but it is still worth reading.[/B]

The person from NOTB claims (falsely, of course) that there are no jobs Americans won't do. This, of course, is the standard Republican talking point about increased unemployment benefits.

So, for him and the rest of the fascists, here's an article about picking Chile in New Mexico. Yes, the article is an "opinion piece". But the author researched newspaper articles going back 50 years and has included dates, names, etc. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/opinion-backbreaking-jobs-chile-farms-060300514.html[/URL].

Of, course, the fascists will all shout "Lügenpresse".

[QUOTE=Spidy;2587720] Perhaps there is yet hope for the GOP? A come from behind victory by Republican Jake Ellzey of Texas, beat Trumpster-backed Susan Wright, to win a US House seat . . . [/QUOTE]Arhhh Man! Well that was short lived, as Mike Carey wins in Ohio.

"Trump-backed congressional candidate Mike Carey wins Ohio Republican primary. . . " [URL]https://nypost.com/2021/08/03/trump-backed-house-candidate-mike-carey-wins-ohio-gop-primary[/URL].

It would seem the GOP aren't yet done with the Orange Throne. Is the candle of hope flickering out for the GOP?

[QUOTE=Spidy;2589449]Arhhh Man! Well that was short lived, as Mike Carey wins in Ohio.

"Trump-backed congressional candidate Mike Carey wins Ohio Republican primary. . . " [URL]https://nypost.com/2021/08/03/trump-backed-house-candidate-mike-carey-wins-ohio-gop-primary[/URL].

It would seem the GOP aren't yet done with the Orange Throne. Is the candle of hope flickering out for the GOP?[/QUOTE]The QOP won't be done with dump until they realize that dump is a fascist and that the QOP is full of white supremacists, racists, xenophobes, homophobes and misogynists. It will take overwhelming losses in 2022 and 2024 (at least) to do that.

The old adage used to be "When you open up a can of worms, the only way to re-can them is to use a larger can. " Rethuglicans need to say "When you open up a can of worms, sometimes you need to feed the rotten ones to the birds. "

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2589147]And what, pray tell, does this drivel have to do with the sick republicans' fascination with Putin?[/QUOTE]While you're quoting from the lamestream media, do us a favor with producing a reputable quote by the Republican Member of Congress, to prove such 'fascination'. Moreover, reading is essential, and too often posters don't even bother to read and comprehend the article they posted. Then maybe they belong to 'Stupid shit in. ' type of threads.

[QUOTE=Questner;2589504]While you're quoting from the lamestream media, do us a favor with producing a reputable quote by the Republican Member of Congress, to prove such 'fascination'. Moreover, reading is essential, and too often posters don't even bother to read and comprehend the article they posted. Then maybe they belong to 'Stupid shit in. ' type of threads.[/QUOTE]Why do I have to produce a "reputable quote by the Republican Member of Congress" to prove the general Republicans' fascination with ​Putin? I guess, some people "don't even bother to read and comprehend" the post they're replying to.

Not even mentioning that finding [B]any[/B] "reputable" quote blubbered by the Republican Congressmen is a muy tall order.

[QUOTE=Questner;2589110]Shelved 2017 article by a fruity piss boy who has never stepped out of the sandbox. Why bother to re-post such nonsense? Here is from today:

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/george-soros-dismantle-replace-minneapolis-police[/URL][/QUOTE]The problem with using Fux "News" as a source for anything is that most of their reporting is unadulterated BS. In other words, Fux "News" is fake news.

[QUOTE=Questner;2589504]While you're quoting from the lamestream media, do us a favor with producing a reputable quote by the Republican Member of Congress, to prove such 'fascination'. Moreover, reading is essential, and too often posters don't even bother to read and comprehend the article they posted. Then maybe they belong to 'Stupid shit in. ' type of threads.[/QUOTE]How about a quote from the orange god? Will that work? Here's something from the following link: [URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812[/URL].

[B]At a news conference after the summit, President Trump was asked if he believed his own intelligence agencies or the Russian president when it came to the allegations of meddling in the elections.

"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be," he replied.

US intelligence agencies concluded in 2016 that Russia was behind an effort to tip the scale of the US election against Hillary Clinton, with a state-authorized campaign of cyber attacks and fake news stories planted on social media.[/B]

Somehow Fux "News" forgot to report that, eh?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2589464]The QOP won't be done with dump until they realize that dump is a fascist and that the QOP is full of white supremacists, racists, xenophobes, homophobes and misogynists. It will take overwhelming losses in 2022 and 2024 (at least) to do that.[/QUOTE]This is what I was looking forward to seeing.

Next season on GOP TV.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2589464]The QOP won't be done with dump until they realize that dump is a fascist and that the QOP is full of white supremacists, racists, xenophobes, homophobes and misogynists. It will take overwhelming losses in 2022 and 2024 (at least) to do that.
...[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, those were precisely the things they loved about Trump from the moment he announced his candidacy in front of all those hired actors pretending to wildly support him and will continue to love about him and every other GQP TrumpClone candidate that comes along.

Those are precisely the things they want out of their GQP Repub leaders and the only reasons they rush to the polling places to vote for them and elect them. It certainly can't possibly be for USA Economic Growth and Expansion, Jobs Creation, Deficit Reduction, Stronger Border Control, National Security or anything else that Party only gives lip service to but have never delivered in a century or more.

Their GQP Repub pols' sole focus now is to suppress enough Dem votes to shift 2-3 percentage points to the Repubs in all the right places and then rig the vote count by appointed GQP Repub partisans so they never suffer election losses again, otherwise known as "overthrowing American democracy."

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2589576]Unfortunately, those were precisely the things they loved about Trump from the moment he announced his candidacy in front of all those hired actors pretending to wildly support him and will continue to love about him and every other GQP TrumpClone candidate that comes along.

Those are precisely the things they want out of their GQP Repub leaders and the only reasons they rush to the polling places to vote for them and elect them. It certainly can't possibly be for USA Economic Growth and Expansion, Jobs Creation, Deficit Reduction, Stronger Border Control, National Security or anything else that Party only gives lip service to but have never delivered in a century or more.

Their GQP Repub pols' sole focus now is to suppress enough Dem votes to shift 2-3 percentage points to the Repubs in all the right places and then rig the vote count by appointed GQP Repub partisans so they never suffer election losses again, otherwise known as "overthrowing American democracy."[/QUOTE]I agree that the QOP [B]today[/B] are all fascists, white supremacists, etc.

But in the 2024 Presidential election, only 4 things can happen: a huge Democratic victory; a narrow Democratic victory; a huge Republican victory; or a narrow Republican victory. It is doubtful that the Republicans will win big. But here's what will happen in the other instances:

A small Republican victory will embolden Republicans to do stupid stuff but they probably won't get away with much. This will be dump 2.0.

A small Democratic victory will send Republicans over the edge. In the states they lose narrowly they will take over the state election boards and declare Republican victory. They will then proceed to install a Republican dictator which will signal the end of democracy as we know it.

Only a huge Democratic victory will convince Republicans that the kooks have got to go.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2589589]I agree that the QOP [B]today[/B] are all fascists, white supremacists, etc.

But in the 2024 Presidential election, only 4 things can happen: a huge Democratic victory; a narrow Democratic victory; a huge Republican victory; or a narrow Republican victory. It is doubtful that the Republicans will win big. But here's what will happen in the other instances:

A small Republican victory will embolden Republicans to do stupid stuff but they probably won't get away with much. This will be dump 2.0.

A small Democratic victory will send Republicans over the edge. In the states they lose narrowly they will take over the state election boards and declare Republican victory. They will then proceed to install a Republican dictator which will signal the end of democracy as we know it.

Only a huge Democratic victory will convince Republicans that the kooks have got to go.[/QUOTE]You know GQP Repub legislatures in almost every state are passing laws right now to rig the elections in their favor as much as possible and where a Dem victory occurs in spite of that their appointed QAnon Repub Fraudit Ninja vote counters will simply throw out the Dem votes and only count the QAnon Repub votes, right?

And, bear in mind, anything OTHER than an overwhelming Dem victory will still be claimed by the QAnon Repubs and the always pro QAnon Repub mainstream media to be "A Great QAnon Republican Victory!" anyway and will continue to embolden them toward more legislative anti-America Sedition and Violent Insurrection.

As usual.

In fact, correction, even an overwhelming Dem victory will be claimed by QAnon Repubs and the always pro QAnon Repub mainstream media to be a terrible loss for the poor loser Dems and a Great Victory! for the always winner QAnon Repubs just as we have seen them do after Traitor Trump and his QAnon Repub Party suffered more losses to the Dems in the White House, Senate and House over the past 4 years than at any time since (R)Herbert Hoover was president almost 100 years ago. LOL.

The QAnon Repub Party is the "Covid19-Delta Variation-Delta Variation Plus-Etc Etc Etc" of American democracy. Even if everyone else is vaccinated against the current version, the unvaccinated (by choice) will still be there to mutate into stronger, more virulent and more deadly versions threatening life and limb of the majority and of American democracy itself, not just for themselves.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2588799]Anyone with access to current and historical facts and data who is still calling him/herself a Republican today is by far more of the problem than the solution.[/QUOTE]Anyone huh?

There are exceptions, but I expect a student or a senior to vote Democrat out of their financial interests. I expect a small business owner to vote Republican out of their financial interests.

What I call Democratic are guys here who make the argument that anyone who votes Republican is a second class, knuckle dragging specimen, and you Eih are clearly one of those guys.

It offends me that bashing Republicans has become so normal in your world that you bring it to a hooker board. I swear to God all you douches who were asked what is the first word that comes to mind when you hear the word Republican is stupid.

When you make a dumb comment like the one you made, anyone who calls themselves Republican is more of a problem than a solution, I shudder. You are defining all people in one group BY HOW THEY VOTE. WTF is wrong with you?

I have a prominent Republican friend who is a major donor. He has does more effing charity work in his life than you would do in ten of yours. He supports Republicans because that is the party that rules in his area, and he supports them because it is critical to his business.

He learned early on that if he went into court without having financially supported a judge, he would get screwed. Financing the campaign of Republican judges was necessary for his business, and his business employs hundreds of people. And he should vote Democrat because it benefits you? Or you think it is smart?

And when you make comments like you just did and Trump is Hitler, wouldn't you Democratic have a moral imperative to steal the election? All it took was 40,000 or so votes to be changed.

You cannot have it both ways. If Republicans are evil, then it was entirely moral to steal the election, yet you deny that it was even possible. Anyone suggesting it was possible, and it could have been done so easily, is a conspiracy believing nut job. Clearly, you have no respect for the opinion of people that are different than yours.

So as far as I am concerned, you can have this form while you all jack yourselves off. I have respect for people who vote Democrat. I have no respect for a bunch of arrogant Democratic who make the kind of comment you just did. So Democrats have always been right on everything and always will be? Yeesh. Again, WTF is wrong with you people?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2590098]Anyone huh?

There are exceptions, but I expect a student or a senior to vote Democrat out of their financial interests. I expect a small business owner to vote Republican out of their financial interests.

What I call Democratic are guys here who make the argument that anyone who votes Republican is a second class, knuckle dragging specimen, and you Eih are clearly one of those guys.

It offends me that bashing Republicans has become so normal in your world that you bring it to a hooker board. I swear to God all you douches who were asked what is the first word that comes to mind when you hear the word Republican is stupid.

When you make a dumb comment like the one you made, anyone who calls themselves Republican is more of a problem than a solution, I shudder. You are defining all people in one group BY HOW THEY VOTE. WTF is wrong with you?

I have a prominent Republican friend who is a major donor. He has does more effing charity work in his life than you would do in ten of yours. He supports Republicans because that is the party that rules in his area, and he supports them because it is critical to his business.

He learned early on that if he went into court without having financially supported a judge, he would get screwed. Financing the campaign of Republican judges was necessary for his business, and his business employs hundreds of people. And he should vote Democrat because it benefits you? Or you think it is smart?

And when you make comments like you just did and Trump is Hitler, wouldn't you Democratic have a moral imperative to steal the election? All it took was 40,000 or so votes to be changed.

You cannot have it both ways. If Republicans are evil, then it was entirely moral to steal the election, yet you deny that it was even possible. Anyone suggesting it was possible, and it could have been done so easily, is a conspiracy believing nut job. Clearly, you have no respect for the opinion of people that are different than yours.

So as far as I am concerned, you can have this form while you all jack yourselves off. I have respect for people who vote Democrat. I have no respect for a bunch of arrogant Democratic who make the kind of comment you just did. So Democrats have always been right on everything and always will be? Yeesh. Again, WTF is wrong with you people?[/QUOTE]Interesting. Just a few questions:

Which one of the Great Repub Crashes, Recessions, Depressions and Massive Job Losses did your small business owner friends appreciate the most?

Which Repub major economic downturn of the past 100 years do you suppose inspire them to vote for Repubs again and again? (R)Hoover's? (R)Eisenhwer's serial Recessions? (R)Reagan"s really big one? (R)Bush1's long one? One of (R)W's? Maybe (R)Nixon's Long National Nightmare was the inspiration. Or was (R)Trump's historic economic Crash including his idiotic economic decisions that led directly to hundreds of thousands of American deaths the one that really get them fired up excited to vote Repub again?

Different opinions are fine. Which of the 60+ opinions of the judges who blasted and laughed (R)Trump's and the Repubs' lawyers out of their courtroom for claiming something about Traitor (R)Trump's Big "Stop The Steal!" Lie for which they had absolutely zero evidence did you respect the most? I respected all of them.

Democrats don't have to be right about everything. They just have to avoid making the same stupid disastrous economic decisions that Repubs make over and over again and will most certainly make again as soon as the American electorate foolishly gives them the slightest opportunity to do so. Guaranteed.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2590098]There are exceptions, but I expect a student or a senior to vote Democrat out of their financial interests. I expect a small business owner to vote Republican out of their financial interests.

What I call Democratic are guys here who make the argument that anyone who votes Republican is a second class, knuckle dragging specimen?[/QUOTE]Exceptions notwithstanding, would you expect someone who frequents a hooker board to be casting his vote so Camela Harris can be his President? Could you venture an idea of what she would think about what's posted here and what she'd do about it if given half a chance.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2590234]Interesting. Just a few questions:

Which one of the Great Repub Crashes, Recessions, Depressions and Massive Job Losses did your small business owner friends appreciate the most?

Which Repub major economic downturn of the past 100 years do you suppose inspire them to vote for Repubs again and again? (R)Hoover's? (R)Eisenhwer's serial Recessions? (R)Reagan"s really big one? (R)Bush1's long one? One of (R)W's? Maybe (R)Nixon's Long National Nightmare was the inspiration. Or was (R)Trump's historic economic Crash including his idiotic economic decisions that led directly to hundreds of thousands of American deaths the one that really get them fired up excited to vote Repub again?.[/QUOTE]These are questions that certainly demand answers, straight ones, and something beyond the usual song and dance. Is amazing all through the Clinton years, with a booming economy and balanced budget, all they could talk about was sex. That's even while the bathroom stall footsie "I'm not gay" boy was on the loose.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig[/URL]

Or this ass clown.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Livingston[/URL]

Direct answers to direct questions would be most refreshing, but don't hold your breath. It's amazing how people can so continually be lured to vote against their own interests, and the tactic is typically divide and conquer, IE. Race baiting / "these young black males are coming to burbs en mass to rape all your daughters." Wink.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2589534]How about a quote from the orange god? Will that work? Here's something from the following link: [URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812[/URL].

[B]At a news conference after the summit, President Trump was asked if he believed his own intelligence agencies or the Russian president when it came to the allegations of meddling in the elections.

"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be," he replied.

US intelligence agencies concluded in 2016 that Russia was behind an effort to tip the scale of the US election against Hillary Clinton, with a state-authorized campaign of cyber attacks and fake news stories planted on social media.[/B]

Somehow Fux "News" forgot to report that, eh?[/QUOTE]Is incredible, the crying about "mainstream" or "corporate" media while they run to Info Wars, News Max, the World Tribune, or the Fox night time tabloid propaganda hours, all of which give new meaning to the phrase "fake news. " Well a great prophet once said that "the poor" will always be with us. The same can be said for the gullible.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2590098]Anyone huh?

There are exceptions, but I expect a student or a senior to vote Democrat out of their financial interests. I expect a small business owner to vote Republican out of their financial interests.

People who make the argument that anyone who votes Republican is a second class, knuckle dragging specimen.[/QUOTE]Have you read any of Canada's posts? He is the personification of your definition of a Republican.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2588732][b]Darwin Strikes Again[/b]"A GOP official from Texas who regularly espoused anti-vaccine and anti-mask views online has died from COVID-19, five days after posting a meme on Facebook questioning the wisdom of getting inoculated against COVID." [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/texas-gop-official-mocked-covid-213828504.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GDreams;2590503]Have you read any of Canada's posts? He is the personification of your definition of a Republican.[/QUOTE]

Anti-Vaxxer, Florida Radio Host (and "Trump-Humper" Dick Farrel, Who railed against Vaccines, dies of COVID-19.

It's reported at the end of his death, he urged friends to get vaccinated and told friends, [B] "... I wish I had gotten it (the vaccine) " [/b] after previously mocking vaccines and calling Covid-19 a [i] 'scamdemic' [/i]

[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dick-farrell-death-covid-vaccine-b1899092.html [/URL]

The award that just keeps on giving.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2590310]Is amazing all through the Clinton years, with a booming economy and balanced budget, all they could talk about was sex. [/QUOTE]It's even more amazing that both Gingrich and Starr, the same very assholes who impeached Clinton for lying about a blowjob (oh humanity!) have found nothing wrong in Trump's criminal attempts to push Ukrainian president into digging dirt on his political rival.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2590614]Anti-Vaxxer, Florida Radio Host (and "Trump-Humper" Dick Farrel, Who railed against Vaccines, dies of COVID-19.

It's reported at the end of his death, he urged friends to get vaccinated and told friends, [B] "... I wish I had gotten it (the vaccine) " [/b] after previously mocking vaccines and calling Covid-19 a [i] 'scamdemic' [/i]

[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dick-farrell-death-covid-vaccine-b1899092.html [/URL]

The award that just keeps on giving.[/QUOTE]DeSantis' fans are livid that CNN host Acosta called Covid "DeSantis virus. ".

They're wrong. It's the Delta strain that Acosta suggested naming after the new and shiny GOP star, not the original Covid.

The original Covid-19 is still Trump's virus, and always will be. No competition.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2590234]Which one of the Great Repub Crashes, Recessions, Depressions and Massive Job Losses did your small business owner friends appreciate the most?

Which Repub major economic downturn of the past 100 years do you suppose inspire them to vote for Repubs again and again? (R)Hoover's? (R)Eisenhwer's serial Recessions? (R)Reagan"s really big one? (R)Bush1's long one? One of (R)W's? Maybe (R)Nixon's Long National Nightmare was the inspiration. Or was (R)Trump's historic economic Crash including his idiotic economic decisions that led directly to hundreds of thousands of American deaths the one that really get them fired up excited to vote Repub again?.[/QUOTE]Jesus, I am not even going to respond to that. If we had your way, there would be one party rule like communist China. All good was done by Democrats and all bad by Republicans? It makes me wonder why you live in the USA when you so badly crave a one party oligarchy. Good and evil are in your mind defined by political party choices. Do you feel the same way about religion too?

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2590310]These are questions that certainly demand answers, straight ones, and something beyond the usual song and dance. Is amazing all through the Clinton years, with a booming economy and balanced budget, all they could talk about was sex. That's even while the bathroom stall footsie "I'm not gay" boy was on the loose.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig[/URL]

Or this ass clown.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Livingston[/URL]

Direct answers to direct questions would be most refreshing, but don't hold your breath. It's amazing how people can so continually be lured to vote against their own interests, and the tactic is typically divide and conquer, IE. Race baiting / "these young black males are coming to burbs en mass to rape all your daughters." Wink.[/QUOTE]Repub voters might not have done enough self examination to understand their own mindset as well as Donald J. Trump and I understand their mindset.

Here is what Trump and I know about the Repub voter mindset: "owning the libs" by winning elections and gaining more power is everything. The results of those won elections is nothing.

Anybody notice how many times Trump returned time and time again to regaling his bussed in rally goers about that Glorious Night in November 2016? I think he is still mentioning it in his sucker personal fund raising get togethers. Unless it has now been totally replaced with regaling them about his Big Lie that he won the 2020 election "by a LOT!"

Traitor Trump's cop-attacking and killing violent Insurrection on January 6, 2021 will forever stand as a symbol for how critically and exclusively important "winning" is over all else to the Repub voter. Not just the ones who were there attacking and trying to kill cops to get their way. Also to the growing number among them who deny that anything worth paying much attention to even happened. Overthrowing American democracy is a tiny price to pay if any price at all as long as they get that "win" by any means necessary.

Nevermind that the guy they insisted should be given Four More Years had already produced and presided over the worst economic and national security results of all time.

Nevermind that their "winning" Repub candidates produced and presided over every major economic downturn of the past century and none of the historic recoveries and expansions.

Nevermind that by the end of their latest "winning" so-called potus' term the Repub Party has racked up more USA job losses than gains since the creation of their Party in the 1850's!

If anything, the WORSE results their "winning" pols produce, the better effect it has on "owning the libs" and the more exhilarating the "winning" election night is for them.

This is all part of their patholigical authoritarian psychosis. Winning, power, control is everything. Whatever happens after that doesn't matter to them in the least. Which is exactly what gives their "winning" potus' licence to produce shit results over and over again.

LOL. That is why I harped on the idea that those of us who pushed back on the other thread's poster who started a misplaced political topic by slamming "obamacare" and "the Dems" were handing his ass to him. They were fine with his message regardless where it popped up. That's why none of them quoted his posts or the one that defended him to slam them for being misplaced.

What they really objected to was that it became clear he was getting his ass handed to him for it by other posters. His interjecting of that message was not turning out to be a "win" for him and that's when they rushed to put a stop to it. Winning vs Losing is the only way to get their attention. They couldn't care less about the results of their "win."

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2590687]Jesus, I am not even going to respond to that. If we had your way, there would be one party rule like communist China. All good was done by Democrats and all bad by Republicans? It makes me wonder why you live in the USA when you so badly crave a one party oligarchy. Good and evil are in your mind defined by political party choices. Do you feel the same way about religion too?[/QUOTE]The Founding Fathers made no provision for different political parties. There is nothing in the Constitution regarding different political parties. The concept of "Checks and Balances" in American governance has nothing whatsoever to do with different political parties.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2590098]What I call Democratic are guys here who make the argument that anyone who votes Republican is a second class, knuckle dragging specimen, and you Eih are clearly one of those guys.

It offends me that bashing Republicans has become so normal in your world that you bring it to a hooker board. I swear to God all you douches who were asked what is the first word that comes to mind when you hear the word Republican is stupid.[/QUOTE]It offends me that republican governors in Texas and Florida have tried to enforce Anti-mask mandates.

Putting schoolchildren at unnecessary risk to get infected with all old and new variants of Covid.

Hospital space to treat Codid-19 patients is running out in Texas and Florida.

And they are trying to prevent people from wearing masks?

That is very stupid.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2590756]Here is what Trump and I know about the Repub voter mindset: "owning the libs" by winning elections and gaining more power is everything. The results of those won elections is nothing.[/QUOTE]You just reminded me of a neighbor of mine who had a "Make the Liberals Cry Again" flag up in his yard. Some of us were setting the over and under on how long before he took it down, and it was about a month past election day. But you can't have any sympathy for these guys when they kick, scream, and cry. Couldn't happen to a bunch of nicer folks.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2590687]Jesus, I am not even going to respond to that. If we had your way, there would be one party rule like communist China. All good was done by Democrats and all bad by Republicans? It makes me wonder why you live in the USA when you so badly crave a one party oligarchy. Good and evil are in your mind defined by political party choices. Do you feel the same way about religion too?[/QUOTE]I for one would love more parties than two. I think we need at least 4. Because right now every aspiring politician is forced to choose between 2 major parties instead of landing with the party they really belong. I believe, or at least still hope, that if there were at least two large parties on the right and two on the left, then all totalitarian-minded, degenerate Qanon-worshiping, white supremacist scumbags could join something like a National Party in France, while on the left anarchists and socialists / commies would be happy in a party like, I don't know, Germany's The Left. That would leave centrist Democrats and Republicans being able to act like responsible grown-ups. Maybe.

And as a bonus, Republicans wouldn't have had to sell their souls to a disgusting sociopathic authoritarian.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2590847]I for one would love more parties than two. I think we need at least 4. Because right now every aspiring politician is forced to choose between 2 major parties instead of landing with the party they really belong. I believe, or at least still hope, that if there were at least two large parties on the right and two on the left, then all totalitarian-minded, degenerate Qanon-worshiping, white supremacist scumbags could join something like a National Party in France, while on the left anarchists and socialists / commies would be happy in a party like, I don't know, Germany's The Left. That would leave centrist Democrats and Republicans being able to act like responsible grown-ups. Maybe.

And as a bonus, Republicans wouldn't have had to sell their souls to a disgusting sociopathic authoritarian.[/QUOTE]That's a very timely post as I just read an article from a political scientist that hits on these points.

[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/two-party-system-broke-constitution/604213/[/URL]

I've obviously got better things to do than correct brainwashed on a ho board, but given all their shrieking about the covid hoax (99.9% survival rate; average age of death 85) the recent story about their lord and saviour AdmiralGeneral Barack Hussein, President-for-life of the Demofakenews tribe, is too good to let go. No surprise none of them have mentioned it below.

Here we have the very same deep state establishment Washington fake news "elites" who are attempting to force the little people / plebs / unwashed masses into getting masks surgically attached to their faces, even replacing them between bites and sips during meals, and trying to shame, harass and even criminalize anyone who refuses to shut up and obey. They are now going even further, attempting to implement a stasi-style "vaccine pass", in which formerly free Americans can be stopped at any time by state agents demanding to see their papers, with negative consequences for those unable or unwilling to submit.

In addition, they have a frothing meltdown whenever a group of a few hundred right-wing heritage American patriots meet up anywhere, calling them "superspreaders". But apparently the virus discriminates politically, as they have no problem when thousands of their far-left BLM / antifa base gather in close proximity to riot, loot and burn cities and attack federal buildings.

And yet for the AdmiralGeneral's 60th birthday, he threw a maskless party for 500 guests (and 200 servants) at the vast Martha's Vineyard mansion in which he and his husband Big Mike are oppressed by racism. No masks, no social distancing and no vaccine passes for the elites over whom the midwits on this board fawn from behind their masks, locked in their hovels like well-behaved little serfs, loving their masters.

Establishment fake news mouthpiece CNN excused the event, saying that the attendees were "sophisticated", therefore the restrictions they brutally enforce upon the rest of the population do not apply to them. So now we know another cure for covid: not only being a violent far-left marxist, but also being "sophisticated". Why bother with vaccines at all. We can just send out copies of the Communist Manifesto and give everyone elocution lessons, which will make them all immune. Problem solved!

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2591130]I've obviously got better things to do than correct brainwashed on a ho board, but given all their shrieking about the covid hoax (99.9% survival rate; average age of death 85) the recent story about their lord and saviour AdmiralGeneral Barack Hussein, President-for-life of the Demofakenews tribe, is too good to let go. No surprise none of them have mentioned it below.

Here we have the very same deep state establishment Washington fake news "elites" who are attempting to force the little people / plebs / unwashed masses into getting masks surgically attached to their faces, even replacing them between bites and sips during meals, and trying to shame, harass and even criminalize anyone who refuses to shut up and obey. They are now going even further, attempting to implement a stasi-style "vaccine pass", in which formerly free Americans can be stopped at any time by state agents demanding to see their papers, with negative consequences for those unable or unwilling to submit.

In addition, they have a frothing meltdown whenever a group of a few hundred right-wing heritage American patriots meet up anywhere, calling them "superspreaders". But apparently the virus discriminates politically, as they have no problem when thousands of their far-left BLM / antifa base gather in close proximity to riot, loot and burn cities and attack federal buildings.

And yet for the AdmiralGeneral's 60th birthday, he threw a maskless party for 500 guests (and 200 servants) at the vast Martha's Vineyard mansion in which he and his husband Big Mike are oppressed by racism. No masks, no social distancing and no vaccine passes for the elites over whom the midwits on this board fawn from behind their masks, locked in their hovels like well-behaved little serfs, loving their masters.[/QUOTE]My reply to this rant reminds Re a few lines from Shakespeare's Macbeth. Specifically Act 5, Scene 5, lines 25–27.

Covid hoax, masks surgically attached to their faces, stasi style, (who the fuck is?) Big Mike, blah blah blah. You couldn't make this shit up. Oh wait, he did. What next? Whatever it is it will surely have little to do with reality.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2591160]My reply to this rant reminds Re a few lines from Shakespeare's Macbeth. Specifically Act 5, Scene 5, lines 25-27.[/QUOTE]I like lines 24 to 28.

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,24.

That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,25.

And then is heard no more. It is a tale26.

Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,27.

Signifying nothing. 28.

LOL. Irresponsible, mass murderer Repub Texas Governor Abbott is now begging more responsible governors of other states to rescue all the geniuses who foolishly moved to his state from dying of Trump's Pandemic virus.

Preview of Coming Attractions for Florida's irresponsible, mass murdering Repub Governor DeSantis:

[B]Texas Gov. Abbott Seeks Out-Of-State Help Against COVID-19.
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott is appealing for out-of-state help to fight the third wave of COVID-19.[/B]
Aug. 10, 2021.
[URL]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/texas/articles/2021-08-09/abbott-appeals-for-out-of-state-help-against-covid-19[/URL]


P.S. a reminder that these Repub mass murders of Americans are the result of economic decisions to refuse mask and certain closure mandates that they decide are too much of a financial burden to bear. Exactly the economic decision reasoning mass murderer Trump used to "save" us a few measly million$ by dramatically defunding the CDC, removing them from their oversight and monitoring positions in those Chinese virus research labs and thereby effectively dismantled our (and the world's) Pandemic Prevention and Response system in 2018 against all expert advice and serious warnings not to do that.

Thus us how the always pro Repub mainstream media comes to their oft stated lie that "Republicans are better at handling the economy than Demicrats."

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2591160]My reply to this rant reminds Re a few lines from Shakespeare's Macbeth. Specifically Act 5, Scene 5, lines 2527.[/QUOTE]My reply to this rant is he didn't even point out what the mainstream media 'splained: the people at Barry's soiree were 'vaccine sophisticated'.

Maybe the Florida state and local health officials who requested this out of dire need didn't dare tell their Trump Wannabe Repub governor about it for fear of bursting his "Always Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!" Repub delusion bubble.

[B]U.S. sends hundreds of ventilators to Florida as Covid surge continues.
As of Tuesday, 14,787 people were hospitalized, 145 percent more than during the state's previous peak in July 2020, a state hospital group said.[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/u-s-government-sends-hundreds-ventilators-florida-covid-surge-continues-n1276515[/URL]
[QUOTE]Local and state health officials request equipment from the stockpile.

Gov. Ron DeSantis said he was unaware of the federal allocation when he was asked about it Tuesday by WPLG-TV of Miami, which first reported on the ventilators.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2591130]I've obviously got better things to dos.[/QUOTE]No, you obviously don't.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2591130]And yet for the AdmiralGeneral's 60th birthday, he threw a maskless party for 500 guests (and 200 servants) [/QUOTE]Full stop. 475 people were invited, but it was scaled back. 200 people actually attended. I have no idea where you got 200 servants, but why don't you enlighten us?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2591130]No masks, no social distancing and no vaccine passes for the elites over whom the midwits on this board fawn from behind their masks, locked in their hovels like well-behaved little serfs, loving their masters.

Establishment fake news mouthpiece CNN excused the event, saying that the attendees were "sophisticated", therefore the restrictions they brutally enforce upon the rest of the population do not apply to them. [/QUOTE]You aren't forgetting something, are you?

The event was held outdoors. Outdoors makes all difference in the world. I never wore a mask outdoors, even at the height of the pandemic last year. I know many people do, but there is such a thing as overkill.

In addition, every guest was required to bring a negative test, and the event had a Covid coordinator who oversaw the protocol.

If I was hellbent on criticizing Obama, it would be for a feast in time of plague. Bad optics.

Trumpists and their fake outrages. More drama please.

[URL]https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/08/09/everything-we-know-about-barack-obama-60th-birthday-party-marthas-vineyard-covid/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2590855]That's a very timely post as I just read an article from a political scientist that hits on these points.

[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/two-party-system-broke-constitution/604213/[/URL][/QUOTE]Great article! Of course we all know it's but a wishful thinking. Too many forces, including both parties, are hellbent on maintaining the status quo.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2591240]Great article! Of course we all know it's but a wishful thinking. Too many forces, including both parties, are hellbent on maintaining the status quo.[/QUOTE]That article was also written a year before Traitor Repub Trump's violent cop-attacking and killing anti-America Insurrection.

So not only was it full of silly and irrelevant "Bothsiderism" that will never hold again in light of where only one of the two party's methods led irrevocably to, there was no mention of the polar opposite legislative results between those 2 parties; the Repub Party's still favorite legislation being responsible for every major economic downturn, massive job destruction and none of the significant economic expansions and jobs creation of the past 100 years or so vs the Dem Party's legislation being responsible for every significant economic recovery, expansion and massive job creation and none of the major economic downturns and massive job losses of the past 100 years or so.

That is a huge difference between the 2 parties and I seriously doubt any 3rd, 4th or 5th party that comes along to win the WH or to control either house of Congress is going to match much less surpass the Dems' positive economic record in the foreseeable future of even our great grandchildren.

However, I do like the author's citing of the 2010 midterm election as a significant, telling election. But not exactly for the reason he stated. I have always said the 2010 midterm was the most important electon with the most disastrous long term outcome in my lifetime, including that of 2016 and 2020.

2010 was the election outcome that taught Repubs they could campaign on the most outrageous lies about everything and still win big even just 2 years after producing what was then one of the worst, job destroying, spectacular economic downturns of all time and then spending those 2 years doing everything possible to make it worse and absolutely nothing to aid the recovery as long as they were unified in repeating those outrageous lies over and over again.

It was very much what made the worlwide disaster known as Trump possible in 2016, what helped him come damn close to winning in the rigged EC system but for 43,000 votes sprinkled over a few EC battleground states in 2020 and will help them win and put in place another disaster sometime in the future, no doubt even worse than Trump.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2590098]Anyone huh?

There are exceptions, but I expect a student or a senior to vote Democrat out of their financial interests. I expect a small business owner to vote Republican out of their financial interests.

What I call Democratic are guys here who make the argument that anyone who votes Republican is a second class, knuckle dragging specimen, and you Eih are clearly one of those guys.

It offends me that bashing Republicans has become so normal in your world that you bring it to a hooker board. I swear to God all you douches who were asked what is the first word that comes to mind when you hear the word Republican is stupid.

When you make a dumb comment like the one you made, anyone who calls themselves Republican is more of a problem than a solution, I shudder. You are defining all people in one group BY HOW THEY VOTE. WTF is wrong with you?

I have a prominent Republican friend who is a major donor. He has does more effing charity work in his life than you would do in ten of yours. He supports Republicans because that is the party that rules in his area, and he supports them because it is critical to his business.

He learned early on that if he went into court without having financially supported a judge, he would get screwed. Financing the campaign of Republican judges was necessary for his business, and his business employs hundreds of people. And he should vote Democrat because it benefits you? Or you think it is smart?

And when you make comments like you just did and Trump is Hitler, wouldn't you Democratic have a moral imperative to steal the election? All it took was 40,000 or so votes to be changed.

You cannot have it both ways. If Republicans are evil, then it was entirely moral to steal the election, yet you deny that it was even possible. Anyone suggesting it was possible, and it could have been done so easily, is a conspiracy believing nut job. Clearly, you have no respect for the opinion of people that are different than yours.

So as far as I am concerned, you can have this form while you all jack yourselves off. I have respect for people who vote Democrat. I have no respect for a bunch of arrogant Democratic who make the kind of comment you just did. So Democrats have always been right on everything and always will be? Yeesh. Again, WTF is wrong with you people?[/QUOTE]You make "difference of opinion" like we're discussing the best way to fold a fitted sheet. Or whether or not TP ought to hang from the fron or back of the roll.

WRONG!

The difference of opinion can be summed up in Trump's "inject disinfectant" press conference. Have you ever wondered who no (zip, zero, nada) Democrats showed up afterwards in ER's with bleach poisoning yet hundreds of Republicans did. This is part of the reason why the divide between Republicans and Democrats is more than a difference of opinion.

Democrats are no smarter than Republicans but Republicans, especially Trump supporters, believe in every cockamamie conspiracy theory floated on the internet. Ask a Trump supporter how forest fires start. He'll say "Jewish space lasers". Ask a Trump supporter if COVID vaccines will magnetize them and they'll say "Yes". Ask them what windmills cause and they will say "Cancer". Ask them how the election was stolen and they'll say "Chinese thermostats" or "Hugo Chavez" or some equally preposterous conspiracy theory.

The BS around the so called stolen election is the worst. Your contention that since Democrats thought Trump was evil and therefore they had a moral responsibility to "cook the election books" is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as "Trump got more votes than Obama so he should have won".

And why aren't Republicans suggesting that there was voter fraud in Cleveland? Are they saying there was none? Because if there was and Republicans aren't investigating it, then the fraud BS is just that, BS. Because I'll guarantee that if a Democrat wins Ohio in 2024, Republicans will be investigating mysterious voter fraud in Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati and every other Ohio city with a large black population.

So no, this isn't a "fitted sheet folding" difference of opinion. This a "we don't believe in whacko stuff" vs "we believe in Fux news" difference of opinion.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2590687]Jesus, I am not even going to respond to that. If we had your way, there would be one party rule like communist China. All good was done by Democrats and all bad by Republicans? It makes me wonder why you live in the USA when you so badly crave a one party oligarchy. Good and evil are in your mind defined by political party choices. Do you feel the same way about religion too?[/QUOTE]I have to give credit where credit is due, but then again, a broken clock is right twice a day.

I'm center to center left in my views, but a dichotomy of Democrat good / Republican evil is ludicrous. Wilson saw a recession, Truman saw one behind FDR in 1949, Ike wasn't the best, but was far from bad with great gains for blue collar workers. Johnson and Nixon are surely up for debate. Carter was an all out joke that was routed in his re-election attempt. Reagan brought about a lot of optimism in the 80's, and can't be fully blamed for subsequent failings as he had to deal with a Democratic Congress. I lived those years as a Reagan Dem and they were great.

Anyway we need a multi-party system, and any attempt to put a halo over one is ill-advised.

The census is about to set our politics on fire.

Get ready for a new round of "white replacement" tirades from Tucker Carlson.

The Washington Post reports that when the first demographic breakdowns from the 2020 census are officially unveiled later this week, they'll show that the number of white people in the country is shrinking. White people will still command a majority, but by thinning margins — making up less than 60 percent of the population, and composing less than half of the under-18 population. By 2045, it's expected that whites will lose their majority status altogether.

The news is likely to have terrible effects on our politics.

It's not a new observation that the dwindling power of white Americans has driven the anti-democratic radicalization of the Republican Party. Conservatives' recent fascination with Viktor Orbán's rule in Hungary can be explained, in part, by that country's ethnic homogeneity, as well as Orbán's fierce efforts to maintain it by crusading against immigrants from Asia and Africa. Donald Trump's rise was enabled by right-wing intellectuals who lamented that "the ceaseless importation of Third World foreigners" made the country "less traditionally American with every cycle. "

"Every time they import a new voter, I become disenfranchised as a current voter," Carlson grumbled on his Fox News show in April.

But immigration doesn't explain why the number of white people is getting smaller. One demographer told the Post the phenomenon has been accelerated both by the opioid epidemic and lower-than-expected birth rates among millennials following the Great Recession. The latter development, of course, has also sparked angry culture war posturing by Republican politicians.

To the extent that these developments are rooted in despair and economic hopelessness — and not, say, the predictable effects of affluence — Democrats and Republicans both should be prepared to offer solutions. (Democrats are already arguably doing their part, with tax credit payments to parents, and by driving the new infrastructure bill that should create a ton of new jobs for workers of all races.) If recent history tells us anything, though, it's that the census news will create a fresh wave of right-wing anger, and that much of it will be directed against America's minority populations. Our ugly politics are probably going to get uglier.

Watch out for the new Republican voting ploy: Only white, male, straight property owners will be able to vote.

[URL]https://theweek.com/politics/1003564/new-census-data-will-be-an-accelerant-for-the-culture-wars[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2591612]I have to give credit where credit is due, but then again, a broken clock is right twice a day.

I'm center to center left in my views, but a dichotomy of Democrat good / Republican evil is ludicrous. Wilson saw a recession, Truman saw one behind FDR in 1949, Ike wasn't the best, but was far from bad with great gains for blue collar workers. Johnson and Nixon are surely up for debate. Carter was an all out joke that was routed in his re-election attempt. Reagan brought about a lot of optimism in the 80's, and can't be fully blamed for subsequent failings as he had to deal with a Democratic Congress. I lived those years as a Reagan Dem and they were great.

Anyway we need a multi-party system, and any attempt to put a halo over one is ill-advised.[/QUOTE]Wilson, whose presidency ended more than a century ago, saw a Recession as the result of our involvement in WWI and its costs. For Truman, it was immediately post WWII and its costs. Those Recessions were not the result of bad economic legislation, dumb economic ideas and decisions as is generally the case for Repubs' consistent economic failures. They were the price paid for our involvement in World Wars.

More often than Dems, Repubs will say something stupid and historically inaccurate like, "Everybody knows 'war' is good for the economy." Of course, they are wrong.

WWI triggered a big Recession. There was a Recession during WWII and another in the aftermath of it during Truman's presidency.

George W. Bush plunged us into 2 quagmire ground wars and a third war if you count his idiotic "War on Terror", yet his economy was crap and his wars did not mitigate his 2 Recessions one iota.

The USA was in a state of Recession for almost 30% of Eisenhower's entire presidency. We were IN one of his serial Recessions when JFK took office. His one meaningful jobs program was the development of the Interstate Highway system that wasn't even his idea nor did he lay out the plans for it or how to pay for it. That was FDR's doing. It was part of his New Deal economic recovery plan but he had to shelve it when Japan and Germany declared war on the USA and our economic attention was understandably diverted.

Eisenhower had to be talked into the project by Dems framing it as a "military/defense readiness" project, a means to quickly transport military equipment and troops, not as a boon to the general economy and jobs creation. Being a Repub, he was all about the former with practically zero interest in the latter.

Reagan inherited a fine and expanding economy from Carter, no Recession, in fact far from it, as has always been the case for outgoing Dems to incoming Repubs for the past 100 years or so but is almost never the case when the roles are reversed. Btw, Carter's average annual jobs creation record is right up there with the best in history on that count; LBJ and Clinton, with Obama not far behind. That is what Reagan inherited from Carter as well as very strong GDP Growth, month over month steadily declining unemployment and month over month steadily declining inflation.

Then the Dem Congress fast tracked Reagan's idiotic and consistently failed Repub Supply-Side/Trickle-Down economic agenda into the system and it produced the then worst economic downturn since the Great Repub Crash and Depression of the late 1920's/early 1930's.

Bonus points question for you historians: WHY did Reagan's Dem Congress fast-track his economic agenda into the system during his first year in office even though it was easy to predict it would probably be a disaster, as it indeed turned out to be? Lol. If no one can or is interested in answering that question, I will in another post.

Reagan's economy finally pulled out of his Great Repub Reagan Recession of 1982-1983 during his second term to achieve middling success, much better than his Great Recession at least, only because (D)Speaker of the House, Tip O'Neill, put the brakes on Reagan's spectacularly failed agenda and told him to cut that crap before he totally wiped out the USA economy.

By then even Reagan could not see a reason to prolong his Great Repub Reagan Recession, assuming his seriously and rapidly deteriorating mental condition allowed him to connect any dots at all.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2591844]Wilson, whose presidency ended more than a century ago, saw a Recession as the result of our involvement in WWI and its costs. For Truman, it was immediately post WWII and its costs. Those Recessions were not the result of bad economic legislation, dumb economic ideas and decisions as is generally the case for Repubs' consistent economic failures. They were the price paid for our involvement in World Wars.

More often than Dems, Repubs will say something stupid and historically inaccurate like, "Everybody knows 'war' is good for the economy." Of course, they are wrong.

WWI triggered a big Recession. There was a Recession during WWII and another in the aftermath of it during Truman's presidency.

George W. Bush plunged us into 2 quagmire ground wars and a third war if you count his idiotic "War on Terror", yet his economy was crap and his wars did not mitigate his 2 Recessions one iota.

The USA was in a state of Recession for almost 30% of Eisenhower's entire presidency. We were IN one of his serial Recessions when JFK took office. His one meaningful jobs program was the development of the Interstate Highway system that wasn't even his idea nor did he lay out the plans for it or how to pay for it. That was FDR's doing. It was part of his New Deal economic recovery plan but he had to shelve it when Japan and Germany declared war on the USA and our economic attention was understandably diverted. .[/QUOTE]You can desperately type out walls of text all you like, while certain facts remain unassailable. Wilson saw a recession, as did Truman behind FDR in 1949. The 50's and 80's were great eras in America, culturally, economically, you name it. There's also much more at stake than what party holds the WH or "presides" over a certain era. Congress holds the purse strings. Compromises are forced. Yours' is the same black and white thinking error that many on the far right have going. You are the left version of the same and an embarrassment. You present only two alternatives while the economic policies of the Republicans from WWI through the 60's were very different, though Trump brought back some of the protectionism. Ronnie was a good man with some blind spots on race, hardly surprising given when he was born and raised. Trump is a fraud and wannabe trying to ride his coat tails.

[URL]http://mail.yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white[/URL]

It's not all about party. I didn't reply to you in my PM box, as I'm on vacation, and you aren't on my short list of priorities. I know everyone can understand that. Lolol.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2591844]Wilson, whose presidency ended more than a century ago, saw a Recession as the result of our involvement in WWI and its costs. For Truman, it was immediately post WWII and its costs. Those Recessions were not the result of bad economic legislation, dumb economic ideas and decisions as is generally the case for Repubs' consistent economic failures. They were the price paid for our involvement in World Wars.

More often than Dems, Repubs will say something stupid and historically inaccurate like, "Everybody knows 'war' is good for the economy." Of course, they are wrong.

WWI triggered a big Recession. There was a Recession during WWII and another in the aftermath of it during Truman's presidency.

George W. Bush plunged us into 2 quagmire ground wars and a third war if you count his idiotic "War on Terror", yet his economy was crap and his wars did not mitigate his 2 Recessions one iota.

The USA was in a state of Recession for almost 30% of Eisenhower's entire presidency. We were IN one of his serial Recessions when JFK took office. His one meaningful jobs program was the development of the Interstate Highway system that wasn't even his idea nor did he lay out the plans for it or how to pay for it. That was FDR's doing. It was part of his New Deal economic recovery plan but he had to shelve it when Japan and Germany declared war on the USA and our economic attention was understandably diverted.

Eisenhower had to be talked into the project by Dems framing it as a "military/defense readiness" project, a means to quickly transport military equipment and troops, not as a boon to the general economy and jobs creation. Being a Repub, he was all about the former with practically zero interest in the latter.

Reagan inherited a fine and expanding economy from Carter, no Recession, in fact far from it, as has always been the case for outgoing Dems to incoming Repubs for the past 100 years or so but is almost never the case when the roles are reversed. Btw, Carter's average annual jobs creation record is right up there with the best in history on that count; LBJ and Clinton, with Obama not far behind. That is what Reagan inherited from Carter as well as very strong GDP Growth, month over month steadily declining unemployment and month over month steadily declining inflation.

Then the Dem Congress fast tracked Reagan's idiotic and consistently failed Repub Supply-Side/Trickle-Down economic agenda into the system and it produced the then worst economic downturn since the Great Repub Crash and Depression of the late 1920's/early 1930's.

Bonus points question for you historians: WHY did Reagan's Dem Congress fast-track his economic agenda into the system during his first year in office even though it was easy to predict it would probably be a disaster, as it indeed turned out to be? Lol. If no one can or is interested in answering that question, I will in another post. [/QUOTE]While Jimmy Carter was presiding over a strong and growing economy during his term, a persnickety issue existed (that was freaking out well heeled card-carrying Republicans) with elevated inflation. It was an issue, not a long-term problem (like Germany's post WWI inflation was).

Jimmy Carter hired the right man to address the issue and made Paul Volker the new Federal Reserve Chairman in August 1979. But this was going to take some time.

Prior to Volker's term, earlier Fed Chairmen's were "pegging the interest rate" working much like a surgeon with a small scalpel, making mini-moves that kept Market and Consumer Interest rates calm and low.

Instead of surgeon wielding a small scalpel, Volker worked more like a butcher with a cleaver in cutting growth to the Money Supply (M1, M2 and M3) and freaked out GOP businessmen that could not handle (even on a temporary basis) United States Prime interest rates of up to 21% and temporary mortgage rates as high as 18% in some regions of the country.

Paul Volker and Milton Freeman were right about the core of addressing inflation.

Now the real answer for the bonus points: Why did Reagan's Dem Congress fast-track his economic agenda?

Reagan's plan was mostly paid for with wildly increased federal debt and greatly reduced taxes. Super easy solution if you believe it can work.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2591909]You can desperately type out walls of text all you like, while certain facts remain unassailable. Wilson saw a recession, as did Truman behind FDR in 1949. The 50's and 80's were great eras in America, culturally, economically, you name it. There's also much more at stake than what party holds the WH or "presides" over a certain era. Congress holds the purse strings. Compromises are forced. Yours' is the same black and white thinking error that many on the far right have going. You are the left version of the same and an embarrassment. You present only two alternatives while the economic policies of the Republicans from WWI through the 60's were very different, though Trump brought back some of the protectionism. Ronnie was a good man with some blind spots on race, hardly surprising given when he was born and raised. Trump is a fraud and wannabe trying to ride his coat tails.

[URL]http://mail.yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white[/URL]

It's not all about party. I didn't reply to you in my PM box, as I'm on vacation, and you aren't on my short list of priorities. I know everyone can understand that. Lolol.[/QUOTE]Lol. Another swing and a miss. I have never argued that there were "no recessions under Dems ever" and have pointed out the minor one under Truman several times even before you decided to start reading every word of my posts and struggle to refute some relatively insignificant detail. It produced a single month high unemployment rate of 7.9%, slightly higher than Carter's single month high of 7.8% in his mini, virtually 1 quarter purposely induced recession.

And I never characterized Eisenhower's serial Recessions, Nixon's Recession and Bush1's Recession as "Great Repub Recessions'. But they were bigger than the tiny, controlled one under Carter.

My point has always been about "major economic downturns" that produced at least the minimum characteristic of a Recession of 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth while pushing the unemployment rate demonstrably higher reflecting serious job losses.

On those criteria, there have been 4 Great Repub Recessions in the past 100 years: under Hoover, Reagan, Bush2 and Trump.

None under a Dem. Not even under Truman, despite his post-WWII expenditures on The Marshall Plan.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2591928]
....
Now the real answer for the bonus points: Why did Reagan's Dem Congress fast-track his economic agenda?

Reagan's plan was mostly paid for with wildly increased federal debt and greatly reduced taxes. Super easy solution if you believe it can work.[/QUOTE]Well, of course that is the lie Reagan told about it as Repubs always lie that their disproportionately high tax cuts for the top margins Supply-Side/Trickle-Down idiocy will "pay for themselves from all the jobs created and revenue generated from it!"

And then that never happens.

Reagan's policies tripled the national debt, skyrocketed the deficit and stood there slack-jawed stupid useless while the worst economic downturn since the Great Repub Crash and Depression filled the void and marched along unabated.

The Dem Congress figured that would probably happen if Reagan got his Repub Supply-Side/Trickle-Down way. And they knew that "it will pay for itself!" bs was a lie. How could anyone not know that by then?

But they were cornered and helpless to deny him his fervent wish in his first year in office and offered virtually no pushback on it.

Why?

Because just a month after this admittedly wildly popularly elected president took office, he was shot in an attempted assassination by, say it with me folks, "a nut with a gun" who thought his doing so would impress a lesbian movie star enough to notice him.

After that it was really impossible to slam Reagan for his every lamebrain economic proposal and decision and call him out for his every incomprehensible answer and excuse without first slapping him on the back and declaring "what a great guy" he was.

They had no viable option but to let him have his way, let him shit all over the USA economy and the healthy expansion of it Carter handed him as early as he wished. Only after the American public could no longer tolerate an 11th, 12th or more consecutive month of 10%+ unemployment were the Dems able to finally push back and stop him before he caused irreversible damage to the economy without coming off as inconsiderate devils.

And god knows how bad the U-6 unemployment rate was during those Reagan years since mainstream media rarely if ever mentioned it then. They only became obsessed about that rate when Obama was recovering us from Bush2's Great Repub Recession.

Ronnie was a good man, and I underline the word man. Trump is a wannabe that tried riding his coat tails.

Believe it or not, I'd much rather the right bring us DeSantis. He's at least a man. He works out, is well educated, and reads, and never runs from a confrontation. That's a huge step in the right direction, so please bring it.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2592078]Ronnie was a good man, and I underline the word man. Trump is a wannabe that tried riding his coat tails.

Believe it or not, I'd much rather the right bring us DeSantis. He's at least a man. He works out, is well educated, and reads, and never runs from a confrontation. That's a huge step in the right direction, so please bring it.[/QUOTE]The guy who has had more Floridians die of COVID than his 2018 margin of victory. That guy?

The guy who just yesterday admitted that his "bluster" about not paying school boards who defy his "no mask mandates allowed" policy was BS. That guy?

The guy who has no clue what he's going? That guy?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2592216]The guy who has had more Floridians die of COVID than his 2018 margin of victory. That guy?[/QUOTE]The guy who had fewer Floridians die of COVID* that in either New York or California, both democrat states with brutal unconstitutional lockdowns. That guy.

P.S. It's not an "anti-mask mandate". Anyone who wishes to wear a mask is free to do so (not that cloth masks make any significant difference). It's called freedom. Not something that communists know much about.

*actually die with COVID and any number of other comorbidities.

I don't see any posts on disasters we are having in California or current government failures. We hopefully will get rid of our governor next month, NYC got rid of Cuomo but Biden and Harris are killing us. I voted for Biden and he has let us down in California drastically. Isn't there anyone here from Texas, New Mexico or Arizona that is going to slam Biden on the border? Drugs, trafficking and Covid is pouring in from Mexico to our state and there is no plan to control it. California government plan is to put masks on everyone rather than stop Covid from Mexico. Surely it is happening in other states to.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2592216]The guy who has had more Floridians die of COVID than his 2018 margin of victory. That guy?

The guy who just yesterday admitted that his "bluster" about not paying school boards who defy his "no mask mandates allowed" policy was BS. That guy?

The guy who has no clue what he's going? That guy?[/QUOTE]He's an asshole, but an educated one that reads. I'd never vote for him, but you can sit down and talk to Ron eye to eye, is way better than Trump.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2592216]The guy who has had more Floridians die of COVID than his 2018 margin of victory. That guy?

The guy who just yesterday admitted that his "bluster" about not paying school boards who defy his "no mask mandates allowed" policy was BS. That guy?

The guy who has no clue what he's going? That guy?[/QUOTE]Plus:

The guy presiding over 20% of all cases coming from his state?

[URL]https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/ron-desantis-takes-hatred-of-mask-mandates-to-a-new-level.html[/URL]

The guy fighting cruise companies to demand vaccinations on ships holding thousands of passengers?

The guy who's come up with Don't fauci my Florida?

That guy?

Well, I'm glad he's so educated and well-read. I'm sure it's all very comforting to the victims families.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2592352]He's an asshole, but an educated one that reads. I'd never vote for him, but you can sit down and talk to Ron eye to eye, is way better than Trump.[/QUOTE]His seeming to be smarter and more reasonable than Trump only makes him more dangerous and a greater threat to the USA economy, to the purpose of this website and to the goal of international travel for mongering than Trump and all of Trump's supporters and Trumpian Trump wannabes have been and will continue to be until they are stopped in their tracks.

As impossible as it might be that someone could be worse for those things than Trump and his supporters were, DeSantis is the guy who could and would be with the help of his supporters.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2592335]I don't see any posts on disasters we are having in California or current government failures. We hopefully will get rid of our governor next month, NYC got rid of Cuomo but Biden and Harris are killing us. I voted for Biden and he has let us down in California drastically. Isn't there anyone here from Texas, New Mexico or Arizona that is going to slam Biden on the border? Drugs, trafficking and Covid is pouring in from Mexico to our state and there is no plan to control it. California government plan is to put masks on everyone rather than stop Covid from Mexico. Surely it is happening in other states to.[/QUOTE]The flood of Covid cases in the USA is coming from Trumpsters in red states, not Mexico.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2592318]The guy who had fewer Floridians die of COVID* that in either New York or California, both democrat states with brutal unconstitutional lockdowns. That guy.

P.S. It's not an "anti-mask mandate". Anyone who wishes to wear a mask is free to do so (not that cloth masks make any significant difference). It's called freedom. Not something that communists know much about.

*actually die with COVID and any number of other comorbidities.[/QUOTE]With double the population of Florida, California could have had double the number of total deaths as Florida. But it didn't. It had about 60% more.

New York, with about the same population as Florida, had more cases and deaths than Florida in the past because there are no cities in Florida as densely populated as one particular city in New York State.

But recently, after Biden got the vaccines (that Trump spent almost a year telling us nobody needed to invent or receive right up to at least the end of October 2020) fully distributed and available to all, DeStantis' Florida's new case AND death count far surpass both California and especially New York.

BTW, how was the crowd at today's "re-instatement" inauguration? Only slightly smaller than it was for him in January 2017 I'm guessing.

[URL]https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/florida[/URL]

[URL]https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/california[/URL]

[URL]https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/new-york[/URL]

You'd think a monger forum is the worst place to discuss politics, but it may be one of the best ones. I'm left thinking but pro death penalty and believe a lot in personal responsibility. And this guy DeSantis, I like him. He's a man, works out and never runs from a fight, will look you right in there eye. He's educated, reads, and has a heart. I do not agree with him, but that's the kind of shit the right needs to come with. Personally, I like him.

That's your plan conservatives, DeSantis. Actually is a shoe in for the next election. This is a guy who is often wrong, but centered, educated, he reads, and has balls, oddly enough, this centrist Dem may vote him, so chew on all of that. He will talk to you, face to face.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2592387]With double the population of Florida, California could have had double the number of total deaths as Florida. But it didn't. It had about 60% more.

New York, with about the same population as Florida, had more cases and deaths than Florida in the past because there are no cities in Florida as densely populated as one particular city in New York State.

But recently, after Biden got the vaccines (that Trump spent almost a year telling us nobody needed to invent or receive right up to at least the end of October 2020) fully distributed and available to all, DeStantis' Florida's new case AND death count far surpass both California and especially New York.[/QUOTE]Florida's population is 2 million more than New York state (and the difference is increasing as many people leave NY and move to FL and other free, open states). Florida has several densely populated cities. In fact the large number of New York victims has a lot to do with Cuomo's criminal decision to force infected people into nursing homes, where they passed on the disease to the most vulnerable people (the very elderly). The same is true of Whitmer in Michigan and other democrat governors.

FYI the vaccines and rollout were pushed through by Trump's Operation Warpspeed (the democrats had previously said that it would take years; and they also warned people not to take the vaccines, a stance which would have got them banned from social media if the social media companies were unbiased). By the time Biden was installed in January 2021 the rollout was well underway and they changed nothing.

Finally, the CDC issued fraudulent figures regarding Florida, claiming 28,000 new cases on Sunday when in fact the number was under 20,000. These were fortunately caught and revised although not before various fake news sources had plastered them all over their headlines (and the same sources didn't publicise the revision, because it suited their political bias not to). Which was doubtless the point.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2592383]The flood of Covid cases in the USA is coming from Trumpsters in red states, not Mexico.[/QUOTE]Maybe you are correct in other states but Southern California Covid is coming from Mexico. We have hotels filled with immigrants. Several with Covid. Probably all in the hotels have been in contact with Covid. Our governor wants all of us to wear masks and get vaccinated but there are no requirements for people crossing the border to get vaccinated or wear masks. Several bus loads have been sent to Bakersfield and Fresno. Several are on our streets and in fast food places spending their vouchers. Some of the fast food places have had to close indoor dining and only offer drive thru and force people to order only in vehicles. I can't believe this isn't happening in other states also like Texas or Arizona.

CNN finally interviewed the guy from Homeland Security asking why he said that situation was bursting at the seams but he said they have a plan to correct the border but would not give details. Does everyone on this forum think there isn't a problem at the border? I am confused.

There is so many posts of presidents from 10 or 20 years ago and about democrats and republicans from 10 or 20 years ago but no one is questioning the current administration. I think Biden has this country in trouble and I am a lifetime democrat. Am I the only democrat that thinks this?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2592318]The guy who had fewer Floridians die of COVID* that in either New York or California, both democrat states with brutal unconstitutional lockdowns. That guy.

P.S. It's not an "anti-mask mandate". Anyone who wishes to wear a mask is free to do so (not that cloth masks make any significant difference). It's called freedom. Not something that communists know much about.

*actually die with COVID and any number of other comorbidities.[/QUOTE]"As coronavirus cases continue to soar, two Florida mayors are announcing mask and vaccine mandates and defying the governor who is firmly opposed to any pandemic restrictions. " [URL]https://apnews.com/article/health-miami-coronavirus-pandemic-247f603722fc0f1d38d0bd97a9006c25[/URL].

DeSantis has allowed more Floridians to die than his 2018 margin of victory. Maybe he can get it to 2 x by being dumber than trump.

Fewer Floridians by percentage? Nope.

But, keep on calling Democrats "communists" so that everybody can see your ignorance.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2592335]Isn't there anyone here from Texas, New Mexico or Arizona that is going to slam Biden on the border? Drugs, trafficking and Covid is pouring in from Mexico to our state and there is no plan to control it. California government plan is to put masks on everyone rather than stop Covid from Mexico. Surely it is happening in other states to.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm sure drugs and Covid trafficking have began with Biden. Sure, none of those have ever happened under Trump. Nah, can't be.

Of course, the simple truth about our border troubles is very uncomplicated:

- the USA Immigration policy hasn't changed with Biden. Undocumented migrants are still turned back in huge numbers;.

- the Trump's draconian law that allows the border patrol to turn them away only encourages recidivism -- people simply keep trying over and over again;.

- that Trump's wall was a redneck fantasy, soap opera, political farce, pipe-dream that had never stood a chance to be completed and stop migration, no matter how many trillions you'd throw at it -- it was a sham and a huge con, nothing else;.

- that there is no simple solution to this problem, and Biden didn't create this problem, he inherited it.

[QUOTE]Various types of fencing totalling 654 miles (just over 1,000 km) were already in place before Mr Trump became president in 2017. These ran through the states of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

The Trump administration say they've completed more than 400 miles of border wall since then. It's 452 miles (727 km) in total, according to the latest US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) information (4 January 2021).

However, [b]only 80 miles of new barriers have been built where there were none before - that includes 47 miles of primary wall[/b], and 33 miles of secondary wall built to reinforce the initial barrier.

The vast majority of the 452 miles is replacing existing structures at the border that had been built by previous US administrations.[/QUOTE]Wow! In other words, Trump built 47 miles of new walls in 4 years. As Sacha Baron Cohen would say: 'Big success. ".

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46748492[/URL]

But please, go ahead and be the first genius ever to outline the solution. What would you do? Unless, of course, slamming Biden is the only reason why you decided to show up.

[QUOTE]The MexicoUnited States border extends 3,145 kilometers (1,954 mi), in addition to the maritime boundaries of 29 kilometers (18 mi) into the Pacific Ocean and 19 kilometers (12 mi) into the Gulf of Mexico.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2592461]Yeah, I'm sure drugs and Covid trafficking have began with Biden. Sure, none of those have ever happened under Trump. Nah, can't be.

Of course, the simple truth about our border troubles is very uncomplicated:

- the USA Immigration policy hasn't changed with Biden. Undocumented migrants are still turned back in huge numbers;.

- the Trump's draconian law that allows the border patrol to turn them away only encourages recidivism -- people simply keep trying over and over again;.

- that Trump's wall was a redneck fantasy, soap opera, political farce, pipe-dream that had never stood a chance to be completed and stop migration, no matter how many trillions you'd throw at it -- it was a sham and a huge con, nothing else;..[/QUOTE]I am just being honest here. July 2020 there were 42,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. July 2021 there were 217,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. Trump made all asylum seekers remain in Mexico. Biden is letting asylum seekers stay in USA. Trump campaigned on securing our border. Biden campaigned on open immigration. With the Covid pandemic I as a citizen not as a democrat or Republican think it is bad to allow unvaccinated and Covid sickened immigrants into USA at this time. Are you guys really democrats on this site or are you just here to protect Biden. California is in deep trouble with Covid, crime and open borders. I care. Obviously you don't. I hated Trump but I can't blame him for the border crises. Biden is to blame.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2592465]I am just being honest here. July 2020 there were 42,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. July 2021 there were 217,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. Trump made all asylum seekers remain in Mexico. Biden is letting asylum seekers stay in USA. Trump campaigned on securing our border. Biden campaigned on open immigration. With the Covid pandemic I as a citizen not as a democrat or Republican think it is bad to allow unvaccinated and Covid sickened immigrants into USA at this time. Are you guys really democrats on this site or are you just here to protect Biden. California is in deep trouble with Covid, crime and open borders. I care. Obviously you don't. I hated Trump but I can't blame him for the border crises. Biden is to blame.[/QUOTE]Yes, trump campaigned on securing the border. He also accomplished next to nothing in 4 years as others have pointed out. He also campaigned on Mexico paying for the wall. Did he lose the check.

The "COVID-sicked immigrants" line is simply BS as the attached link points out. [URL]https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/apr/12/overview-covid-19-testing-migrants-southern-border/[/URL].

And besides, unvaccinated immigrants are no more responsible for spreading COVID than unvaccinated trump supporters.

In reality, Biden has left many dump-era policies in place. [URL]https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/biden-trump-border-policies/[/URL].

The upshot of this is that Republicans want an immigrant-free America. They say they don't but that's all talk. If Republican lawmakers said they were installing machine gun posts to cover every inch of the border with "shoot to kill" authorized, trump supporters would be lined up to volunteer from now until Rapture.

The reality is that immigration is a complicated topic.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2592446]DeSantis has allowed more Floridians to die than his 2018 margin of victory.

Fewer Floridians by percentage? Nope.

But, keep on calling Democrats "communists" so that everybody can see your ignorance.[/QUOTE]Fewer Floridians by percentage? Yup. Way fewer than New York. Top three covid death states by percentage are NJ, NY and MA, all democrat states. Florida is in mid-table. [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/[/URL].

Of course this is purely people who died with covid (often of other comorbidity). It doesn't take into account suicides, drug ODs, abuse, mental illness, destitution, homelessness (which will happen once the unconstitutional eviction moratorium is ended) and all the other societal ills caused by the brutal and unconstitutional lockdowns, which haven't happened in Florida thanks to Gov. DeSantis.

It's quite funny how you say "DeSantis allowed people to die", as if he can grant the gift of immortality, but you would never use a similar phrase about the democrat governors of states that have lost more people. Just another indicator of your blinkered bias.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2592465]I am just being honest here. July 2020 there were 42,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. July 2021 there were 217,000 apprehensions on Mexico border.[/QUOTE]Based on these facts.

The border was closed on both recent dates.

No open.

[URL]https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/12/texas-rsv-covid-19-childrens-hospitals/[/URL]

"Correction, Aug. 12,2021: An earlier version of this story overstated the number of children who have been hospitalized in Texas recently with COVID-19. The story said over 5,800 children had been hospitalized during a seven-day period in August, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That number correctly referred to children hospitalized with COVID-19 since the pandemic began. In actuality, 783 children were admitted to Texas hospitals with COVID-19 between July 1 and Aug. 9 of this year."

They claimed it was 5800 in a week. It was actually 783 in 6 weeks. So only about 50 times out. Easy mistake to make. Funny how these fake news "mistakes" always overstate cases in Republican states, like the one in Florida last week. Almost as if they're politically biased and trying to whip up unwarranted fear to push their fake agenda.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2592577]Yes, trump campaigned on securing the border. He also accomplished next to nothing in 4 years as others have pointed out. He also campaigned on Mexico paying for the wall. Did he lose the check.

The "COVID-sicked immigrants" line is simply BS as the attached link points out. [URL]https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/apr/12/overview-covid-19-testing-migrants-southern-border/[/URL].

And besides, unvaccinated immigrants are no more responsible for spreading COVID than unvaccinated trump supporters.

In reality, Biden has left many dump-era policies in place. [URL]https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/biden-trump-border-policies/[/URL].

The upshot of this is that Republicans want an immigrant-free America. They say they don't but that's all talk. If Republican lawmakers said they were installing machine gun posts to cover every inch of the border with "shoot to kill" authorized, trump supporters would be lined up to volunteer from now until Rapture.

The reality is that immigration is a complicated topic.[/QUOTE]In California there are more democrats than there are republicans. There are as many or more democrats as republicans that are not vaccinated. Just because you are not vaccinated does not mean you have Covid. Almost all countries in the world are not allowing unvaccinated people into their country. The USA has allowed 217,000 to cross our border illegally in July. 2,000,000 since Biden was in office. Our border patrol in California is losing the battle. 20% of the illegals have Covid and spread it to our border patrol. No other leader of a country would ever do that. I am a democrat and proud to be one but you obviously don't give a crap about the USA or it's citizens. This has nothing to do with legal immigration. This is illegal immigration spreading the pandemic and putting our country in danger. Can't you for once admit the truth? Illegal immigration is not good for California and definitely not good for USA.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2592577]Yes, trump campaigned on securing the border. He also accomplished next to nothing in 4 years as others have pointed out.[/QUOTE]As another poster mentioned below, illegal entry went from 40,000 last year under Trump to 220,000 now under Biden's handlers. Trump had made a deal with Mexico to keep illegals from crossing the border, which was working. Biden's handlers ripped it up and let them all in.

Whatever your views, to say that there is no difference between the positions and that Trump accomplished "next to nothing" is objectively false. And once again, it shows your blinkered bias for all to see, so keep it up.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2592465]I am just being honest here. July 2020 there were 42,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. July 2021 there were 217,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. Trump made all asylum seekers remain in Mexico. Biden is letting asylum seekers stay in USA. Trump campaigned on securing our border. Biden campaigned on open immigration. With the Covid pandemic I as a citizen not as a democrat or Republican think it is bad to allow unvaccinated and Covid sickened immigrants into USA at this time. Are you guys really democrats on this site or are you just here to protect Biden. California is in deep trouble with Covid, crime and open borders. I care. Obviously you don't. I hated Trump but I can't blame him for the border crises. Biden is to blame.[/QUOTE]Even after you show them the cold, hard numbers (from 42,000 last year under Trump to 217,000 this year under Biden) and facts (Trump made a deal with Mexico to keep the illegals there, which Biden has torn up and allowed them into the US), they still write things like "the USA Immigration policy hasn't changed with Biden".

I wonder if they can actually believe such obviously false nonsense. Who knows? Psychologists say certain weak-minded people can be made to believe anything by persuasive and relentless psy-ops, which basically describes 90% of the mainstream media today. Or maybe, like the leading democrats / media figures, they know it to be untrue but are lying because they want it to happen, with the outcome of turning America into a third world one-party state (like California).

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2592433]You'd think a monger forum is the worst place to discuss politics, but it may be one of the best ones. I'm left thinking but pro death penalty and believe a lot in personal responsibility. And this guy DeSantis, I like him. He's a man, works out and never runs from a fight, will look you right in there eye. He's educated, reads, and has a heart. I do not agree with him, but that's the kind of shit the right needs to come with. Personally, I like him.[/QUOTE]But for a shift of about 1% of Trump's vote to Clinton in just 2 battlegound states in 2016, Michigan and Florida, the CDC reps whose job it was to monitor for Pandemic Prevention and Response would not have been defunded and removed from those Chinese labs in 2018, worldwide economies, death rates and the whole purpose of this website would not have suffered nearly as much, if at all.

And most of those wrongheaded Trump votes, his creating this Pandemic and the worsening of it ever since was the result of information shared online through the communication device you are probably holding in your hand right now.

One voice of truth here, there and everywhere about how consistently Repub policies Crash the economy deeper and in ways Dem policies never do might have made the difference in 2016. We'll never know.

And, going forward, there is no more important discussion to be had anywhere including if not especially on this website than warnings about further empowering Republucan anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers and other Repub loons bent on keeping the variations of Trump's pandemic virus going indefinitely and most certainly until a variant overrides all current vaccines, effectively destroying, among many other things, international travel for mongering and sex.

This won't be the last endemic virus that pops up somewhere. And if we want the next one and the next ones after that turned into international travel destroying Pandemics, Trump Wannabe Repubs like DeSantis have proven they are just the ones to do it.

In fact, count on any and every Repub to do it.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2592739]As another poster mentioned below, illegal entry went from 40,000 last year under Trump to 220,000 now under Biden's handlers. Trump had made a deal with Mexico to keep illegals from crossing the border, which was working. Biden's handlers ripped it up and let them all in.

Whatever your views, to say that there is no difference between the positions and that Trump accomplished "next to nothing" is objectively false. And once again, it shows your blinkered bias for all to see, so keep it up.[/QUOTE]The truth is there. A judge in Texas just ruled that Biden has to reinstate Trump policy to keep asylum seekers in Mexico but Biden is fighting this because he doesn't want to admit Trump policies actually worked. His border policies are a disaster and everyone sees it except the fools. Afghanistan is a complete disaster with Taliban terrorists almost taking over the complete country. Now Biden panics and sends in 5000 troops to try to make sure the American in the Embassy don't get slaughtered like Bengassi. Biden will be celebrating the anniversary of 9-11 with the rebirth of the Taliban and terrorism. I can't believe I voted this idiot. I am embarrassed. It is very difficult being a democrat right now.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2592740]Even after you show them the cold, hard numbers (from 42,000 last year under Trump to 217,000 this year under Biden) and facts (Trump made a deal with Mexico to keep the illegals there, which Biden has torn up and allowed them into the US), they still write things like "the USA Immigration policy hasn't changed with Biden".

I wonder if they can actually believe such obviously false nonsense. Who knows? Psychologists say certain weak-minded people can be made to believe anything by persuasive and relentless psy-ops, which basically describes 90% of the mainstream media today. Or maybe, like the leading democrats / media figures, they know it to be untrue but are lying because they want it to happen, with the outcome of turning America into a third world one-party state (like California).[/QUOTE]Unfortunately you are right about California. I have lived my whole life in California. There was a time when it was a two party state and I always believed that I would be a lifelong democrat. The democrats have slowly killed our state from taxes, crime and to homeless. I voted for Biden because the media over and over again told us how bad Trump was and I believed it. Now after 8 months of Biden disasters and policies Trump looks like the best president ever. Amazing when Trump was president I hated him. Now I would welcome him back. Biden even makes Jimmy Carter look good.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2592765]But for a shift of about 1% of Trump's vote to Clinton in just 2 battlegound states in 2016, Michigan and Florida, the CDC reps whose job it was to monitor for Pandemic Prevention and Response would not have been defunded and removed from those Chinese labs in 2018, worldwide economies, death rates and the whole purpose of this website would not have suffered nearly as much, if at all.

And most of those wrongheaded Trump votes, his creating this Pandemic and the worsening of it ever since was the result of information shared online through the communication device you are probably holding in your hand right now.

One voice of truth here, there and everywhere about how consistently Repub policies Crash the economy deeper and in ways Dem policies never do might have made the difference in 2016. We'll never know..[/QUOTE]I have hear so much on the news about Trump and Russian influence. I don't hear on the California news about $5.00 gas prices. In 2020 USA was energy independent with the continued drilling of new wells and installing pipelines. Gas prices here were $3.09 per gallon. First month of Biden presidency drilling permits on federal land were cancelled and Trump energy policies were reversed. XL Pipeline was cancelled that would have delivered 833,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Canada. Killing 10,000 jobs and killing USA energy independence. Biden reversing Trump sanctions on Russia so that they could build their pipeline to Europe enhancing Russia energy economy. Now USA has to import 800,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Russia transported over the ocean at a higher cost. Now USA has to import more oil from OPEC at higher costs. Yesterday Biden was on the news begging Russia and OPEC to produce more oil for USA. Why is Biden supporting Russia and foreign oil and foreign economies? Why is Biden killing USA energy independence. I don't care if you are democrat or Republican. You must realize gas prices are higher and there is a reason for it. Gas prices since Trump 4 years average have almost doubled. This is killing small business in California.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2593006]I have hear so much on the news about Trump and Russian influence. I don't hear on the California news about $5.00 gas prices. In 2020 USA was energy independent with the continued drilling of new wells and installing pipelines. Gas prices here were $3.09 per gallon. First month of Biden presidency drilling permits on federal land were cancelled and Trump energy policies were reversed. XL Pipeline was cancelled that would have delivered 833,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Canada. Killing 10,000 jobs and killing USA energy independence. Biden reversing Trump sanctions on Russia so that they could build their pipeline to Europe enhancing Russia energy economy. Now USA has to import 800,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Russia transported over the ocean at a higher cost. Now USA has to import more oil from OPEC at higher costs. Yesterday Biden was on the news begging Russia and OPEC to produce more oil for USA. Why is Biden supporting Russia and foreign oil and foreign economies? Why is Biden killing USA energy independence. I don't care if you are democrat or Republican. You must realize gas prices are higher and there is a reason for it. Gas prices since Trump 4 years average have almost doubled. This is killing small business in California.[/QUOTE]Why do you trumpers never back up your BS with proof?

The US imports 800,000 barrels of Russian heavy oil per day? Really? Where is the proof? "Russia has become a favored source for USA Fuel makers largely because it producers ample supplies of semi-refined oils such as Mazut 100, an ideal feedstock for American refineries accustomed to processing thick, sludgy crude from Venezuela and the Middle East. " As is typical with trumpers, you sprinkle just enough truth in with lies to make it all seem like truth. The quote above is from here: [URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-04/russia-captures-no-2-rank-among-foreign-oil-suppliers-to-u-s[/URL].

Then there's the energy independence canard. Look at the first chart in the article above. Does that look like energy independence to you, 'cause it sure doesn't look like it to me? There's also this: [URL]https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/us-oil-imports-by-country[/URL].

Oh, wait, did dump say we were energy independent? Why yes he did. And he lied: [URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/sep/13/donald-trump/trump-exaggerates-us-energy-independence/[/URL] and [URL]https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/article239077733.html[/URL].

Are gasoline prices higher? Yes they are. But the QOP BS is that it is all Biden's fault is just that: BS [URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/03/24/980894432/why-gas-prices-have-increased-in-the-last-3-months[/URL] and [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/[/URL].

But, like all good trumpers, you'll just yell "fake news".

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2592740]Even after you show them the cold, hard numbers (from 42,000 last year under Trump to 217,000 this year under Biden) and facts (Trump made a deal with Mexico to keep the illegals there, which Biden has torn up and allowed them into the US), they still write things like "the USA Immigration policy hasn't changed with Biden".

I wonder if they can actually believe such obviously false nonsense. Who knows?[b] Psychologists say certain weak-minded people can be made to believe anything by persuasive and relentless psy-ops, which basically describes 90% of the mainstream media today. Or maybe, like the leading democrats / media figures, they know it to be untrue but are lying because they want it to happen, with the outcome of turning America into a third world one-party state (like California).[/b][/QUOTE]And Fux "News" always tells the truth? [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/oct/25/fox-news-watching-what-i-learned[/URL].

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2593068]Why do you trumpers never back up your BS with proof?

The US imports 800,000 barrels of Russian heavy oil per day? Really? Where is the proof? "Russia has become a favored source for USA Fuel makers largely because it producers ample supplies of semi-refined oils such as Mazut 100, an ideal feedstock for American refineries accustomed to processing thick, sludgy crude from Venezuela and the Middle East. " As is typical with trumpers, you sprinkle just enough truth in with lies to make it all seem like truth. The quote above is from here: [URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-04/russia-captures-no-2-rank-among-foreign-oil-suppliers-to-u-s[/URL].

Then there's the energy independence canard. Look at the first chart in the article above. Does that look like energy independence to you, 'cause it sure doesn't look like it to me? There's also this: [URL]https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/us-oil-imports-by-country[/URL].

Oh, wait, did dump say we were energy independent? Why yes he did..[/QUOTE]From a democrat not a Trumper:

Biden cancelling drilling in USA and cancelling pipelines reducing domestic production definitely contributed to higher oil prices and higher gas prices. Only a fool would argue that cutting supply of any commodity doesn't increase prices. Gas prices are up 50% in our state due to Biden policies.

[URL]https://ru-main.ru/russia-became-second-largest-oil-exporter-to-usa/[/URL]

Let's hope this is the beginning of the end for the Biden administration, hope Biden-Harris also flee like the Afghan president. This administration is really dangerous and delusional for the humanity.

Twenty years of Afghanistan mistakes, but this preventable disaster is on Biden.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/15/twenty-years-afghanistan-mistakes-this-preventable-disaster-is-biden/[/URL]

Trump demands Biden 'resign in disgrace' over chaotic Taliban takeover in Afghanistan.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9896573/Trump-demands-Biden-resign-disgrace-chaotic-Taliban-takeover-Afghanistan.html[/URL]

China's state media mocked the US withdrawal in Afghanistan, saying the Taliban takeover was 'more smooth than the presidential transition in the US.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/china-said-taliban-takeover-more-smooth-than-us-presidential-transition-2021-8[/URL]

President Biden, VP Harris avoid the cameras as Kabul falls to Taliban.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/president-biden-vp-harris-avoid-the-cameras-as-kabul-falls[/URL]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2592737]In California there are more democrats than there are republicans. There are as many or more democrats as republicans that are not vaccinated. Just because you are not vaccinated does not mean you have Covid. Almost all countries in the world are not allowing unvaccinated people into their country. The USA has allowed 217,000 to cross our border illegally in July. 2,000,000 since Biden was in office. Our border patrol in California is losing the battle. 20% of the illegals have Covid and spread it to our border patrol. No other leader of a country would ever do that. I am a democrat and proud to be one but you obviously don't give a crap about the USA or it's citizens. This has nothing to do with legal immigration. This is illegal immigration spreading the pandemic and putting our country in danger. Can't you for once admit the truth? Illegal immigration is not good for California and definitely not good for USA.[/QUOTE]When Trump or a Trump Wannabe Repub wins California because Californians are so horrified by what Biden and the Dems have done and long for the wonderful Trump Crash, Great Trump Repub Recession and Massive Job Destruction in the millions and millions of yore, get back to me.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2593068]Are gasoline prices higher? Yes they are. [/QUOTE]The only part of the post worth reading.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2593006]I have hear so much on the news about Trump and Russian influence. I don't hear on the California news about $5.00 gas prices. In 2020 USA was energy independent with the continued drilling of new wells and installing pipelines. Gas prices here were $3.09 per gallon. First month of Biden presidency drilling permits on federal land were cancelled and Trump energy policies were reversed. XL Pipeline was cancelled that would have delivered 833,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Canada. Killing 10,000 jobs and killing USA energy independence. Biden reversing Trump sanctions on Russia so that they could build their pipeline to Europe enhancing Russia energy economy. Now USA has to import 800,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Russia transported over the ocean at a higher cost. Now USA has to import more oil from OPEC at higher costs. Yesterday Biden was on the news begging Russia and OPEC to produce more oil for USA. Why is Biden supporting Russia and foreign oil and foreign economies? Why is Biden killing USA energy independence. I don't care if you are democrat or Republican. You must realize gas prices are higher and there is a reason for it. Gas prices since Trump 4 years average have almost doubled. This is killing small business in California.[/QUOTE]Excellent post. You can usually tell what bad things leftists are doing because it is precisely what they accuse others of. For all the baseless lies about Trump / Russia, the fact is that it is Biden's handlers who have given Russia an enormous boost by approving the Russian pipeline to Europe and destroying the XL pipeline. Russia will now have vastly more energy exports, and vastly more power over Europe. Meanwhile America will need to import a huge amount, and Americans will suffer for it.

Ditto for the current shitshow in Afghanistan, with helicopters fleeing from the embassy just like in Saigon 1975. America is humiliated, and Russia and China are literally moving in as we speak to make deals with the Taliban.

What is interesting about this is that even the fake news media is battering Biden over it. Seems to me it may be used, alongside his obvious dementia and frailty, to push Biden into retirement and get Heels Up Harris into the hotseat (the Oval Office, not Willie Brown's lap). Then the persecution of heritage Americans, the new kulaks, will really begin.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2593002]Unfortunately you are right about California. I have lived my whole life in California. There was a time when it was a two party state and I always believed that I would be a lifelong democrat. The democrats have slowly killed our state from taxes, crime and to homeless. I voted for Biden because the media over and over again told us how bad Trump was and I believed it. Now after 8 months of Biden disasters and policies Trump looks like the best president ever. Amazing when Trump was president I hated him. Now I would welcome him back. Biden even makes Jimmy Carter look good.[/QUOTE]The problem is that thanks to mass third world immigration, you now have an ANC type situation in California. That is to say, no matter how incompetent and corrupt the ruling party is, they can never be voted out because they have a ethnic mass of low-IQ welfare-addicted voters who will never vote for anyone else. This is the case with the ANC in South Africa, which is completely, uselessly incompetent and whose previous president was just sent to prison over corruption, but which will never, ever lose an election.

So it is in California, where the democrats will never lose a senatorial or presidential election despite the terrible problems you correctly list which their misrule and incompetence have caused. This is what people mean when they use the expression "third world shithole". It is why we need to get the border secured with a big, beautiful wall, and get deportations ramped up, or the entire country will soon be the same.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2593182]When Trump or a Trump Wannabe Repub wins California because Californians are so horrified by what Biden and the Dems have done and long for the wonderful Trump Crash, Great Trump Repub Recession and Massive Job Destruction in the millions and millions of yore, get back to me.[/QUOTE]Getting back to you quickly because there was no Trump crash, no Trump recession and no jobs lost by Trump policies. There was a pandemic. Trump policies today are keeping the economy going. Biden is doing his best to kill it.

California is suffering from Biden policies. Our restaurants and businesses were closed while other states were opened. Millions of people were put out of work and lives were destroyed. Businesses are closed. Democrats policy of defund the police and looting and stealing under $1000 not being a crime have destroyed business and made it unsafe to shop in many cities. Homeless control many areas in our state making our streets unsafe. Lower income families can no longer afford to buy gas. The destruction is here but you refuse to acknowledge it. You keep trashing Trump for made up fantasy when Biden is destroying America.

I am a democrat and I can see it. Biden has destroyed the lives of all innocent people in Afghanistan in just 6 months. Our borders are not secure and thousands are entering daily. How many of them are terrorists? The world sees a weak leader of USA and the world is taking advantage. We will see another 9-11 under Biden and you are to blame.

Real democrats care about USA. Obviously you do not. I don't know how you benefit from the crime, poverty and destruction of USA but you must to be ignoring the facts.

We are all Americans not democrats or republicans. Americans care about USA. Why don't you?

"Ronald Reagan once said, "The greatest leader is not necessarily the one who does the greatest things. He is the one that gets the people to do the greatest things."

Joe Biden has proven not to be a leader, which is something that was predicted by another. It was just one year ago, on August 14,2020, Politico reported a dire warning from former President Barack Obama: "I think the turnout tonight demonstrates the high regard in which the vice president is held in the extended Obama family," Rouse told the crowd of about 50 people. "And I think that that message is not out as far as it should be. " Yet searing, anonymously sourced quotes from Obama kept appearing through the race. One Democrat who spoke to Obama recalled the former president warned, "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f**k things up. " Speaking of his own waning understanding of today's Democratic electorate, especially in Iowa, Obama told one 2020 candidate: "And you know who really doesn't have it? Joe Biden." Obama's statement was a true prediction of Joe Biden's first seven months in the Oval Office. Since inauguration Day on January 20, everything Joe Biden has touched has turned to manure. . . "

[QUOTE=Gino02;2593179]Let's hope this is the beginning of the end for the Biden administration, hope Biden-Harris also flee like the Afghan president. This administration is really dangerous and delusional for the humanity.

Twenty years of Afghanistan mistakes, but this preventable disaster is on Biden.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/15/twenty-years-afghanistan-mistakes-this-preventable-disaster-is-biden/[/URL]

Trump demands Biden 'resign in disgrace' over chaotic Taliban takeover in Afghanistan.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9896573/Trump-demands-Biden-resign-disgrace-chaotic-Taliban-takeover-Afghanistan.html[/URL]

China's state media mocked the US withdrawal in Afghanistan, saying the Taliban takeover was 'more smooth than the presidential transition in the US.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kadeem;2593104]From a democrat not a Trumper:

Biden cancelling drilling in USA and cancelling pipelines reducing domestic production definitely contributed to higher oil prices and higher gas prices. Only a fool would argue that cutting supply of any commodity doesn't increase prices. Gas prices are up 50% in our state due to Biden policies.

[URL]https://ru-main.ru/russia-became-second-largest-oil-exporter-to-usa/[/URL][/QUOTE]Is there inflation worldwide? If yes, what caused it.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2593179]Let's hope this is the beginning of the end for the Biden administration, hope Biden-Harris also flee like the Afghan president. This administration is really dangerous and delusional for the humanity.

Twenty years of Afghanistan mistakes, but this preventable disaster is on Biden.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/15/twenty-years-afghanistan-mistakes-this-preventable-disaster-is-biden/[/URL]

Trump demands Biden 'resign in disgrace' over chaotic Taliban takeover in Afghanistan.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9896573/Trump-demands-Biden-resign-disgrace-chaotic-Taliban-takeover-Afghanistan.html[/URL][/QUOTE]First, did trump negotiate with terrorists? Yes he did. [URL]https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/15/2046070/-Taliban-leader-and-top-commanders-are-among-the-5000-fighters-Trump-released-against-objections?fbclid=IwAR07k1RBfVep-wdSwFXsXAU8dxiZG0yLtEhSiE-ndzzbzYBHLvKfspCPWXg[/URL].

Second, why did the QOP remove all traces of dump's Afghanistan treachery? [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/gop-quietly-removed-webpage-hailing-111358281.html[/URL].

Could Biden have handed this better? Sure. But the QOP isn't blameless. [URL]https://www.rollcall.com/2020/11/17/trump-afghanistan-withdrawal-mcconnell-republican-criticism/[/URL].

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2593284]Getting back to you quickly because there was no Trump crash, no Trump recession and no jobs lost by Trump policies. There was a pandemic. Trump policies today are keeping the economy going. Biden is doing his best to kill it.

California is suffering from Biden policies. Our restaurants and businesses were closed while other states were opened. Millions of people were put out of work and lives were destroyed. Businesses are closed. Democrats policy of defund the police and looting and stealing under $1000 not being a crime have destroyed business and made it unsafe to shop in many cities. Homeless control many areas in our state making our streets unsafe. Lower income families can no longer afford to buy gas. The destruction is here but you refuse to acknowledge it. You keep trashing Trump for made up fantasy when Biden is destroying America.

I am a democrat and I can see it. Biden has destroyed the lives of all innocent people in Afghanistan in just 6 months. Our borders are not secure and thousands are entering daily. How many of them are terrorists? The world sees a weak leader of USA and the world is taking advantage. We will see another 9-11 under Biden and you are to blame.

Real democrats care about USA. Obviously you do not. I don't know how you benefit from the crime, poverty and destruction of USA but you must to be ignoring the facts.

We are all Americans not democrats or republicans. Americans care about USA. Why don't you?[/QUOTE]Total nonsense. Nobody worked harder and more successfully to turn a likely manageable endemic in Wuhan into the Trump Pandemic it became than Donald Trump. Starting even earlier than Xi by his defunding the CDC and pulling their monitoring Pandemic Prevention and Response teams out of those Chinese labs in 2018 against all expert advice and dire warnings not to do something that stupid.

Followed by his publicly lying about the mode of transmission and deadly risk of it while mocking proven mitigation efforts in the critical early months.

Followed by him spending almost a year telling the world it was a "HOAX! There are only 15 cases out of China, one here and that will be near zero soon, we've got this under control, this will go away WITHOUT a vaccine, there will be NO coronavirus in the Fall (of 2020), oh did I mention this will go away WITHOUT a vaccine!?"

And those lies were all Trump economic decisions because he was hand-wringing terrified of disturbing Xi in the midst of his godawful failed Trade Negotiations.

Another 9-11? How about 200+ TIMES 9-11 already so far and you are to blame.

Stop with the revisionist history. We all heard and saw it in real time. The recordings of Trump admitting he "downplayed" all of it (read: lied about all of it) in his interviews with Bob Woodward have not been erased.

Btw, the Repubs in the House of Representatives are the only ones who voted to Defund The Police and they voted to do that unanimously.

Even FUX News Channel reported it:

[b]Congressman: Its Your Party Who Are Defunding the Police (Video).
Fox News Sunday host pushed Republican Rep. Jim Banks on his decision to vote against Bidens relief plan that would help police departments[/b]
June 27, 2021
https://www.thewrap.com/chris-wallace-argues-gop-defunding-police-jim-banks/

Trump policies today are keeping the economy going?

Horseshit.

Neither Trump nor any other Repub voted for or signed the $1.9 Trillion Covid-19 Relief Package in March of 2021:

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/13/976595300/the-covid-19-relief-bill-passed-whats-bidens-next-big-move

I'll bet even FUX News Channel reported that, too.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2593250]The only part of the post worth reading.[/QUOTE]Because the rest of the post trashes trumpian logic.

Is there a reason for importing Russian oil? Yes, because it is better and my links proved that.

Are we energy independent as trump said? No, and my links proved that.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2593353]Because the rest of the post trashes trumpian logic.

Is there a reason for importing Russian oil? Yes, because it is better and my links proved that.

Are we energy independent as trump said? No, and my links proved that.[/QUOTE]Is there a reason for importing Russian oil rather than producing our own oil?

Is there a reason for boosting Russian Energy companies while hurting domestic oil companies?

Is there a reason for creating millions of jobs in Russia and losing millions of jobs in USA?

Is there a reason for paying more for Russian oil than USA oil?

Is there a reason for making Russian economy great and killing USA economy?

Is there a reason for gas prices of $5.00 gallon?

Only Biden and his loyal democrats can see good in this.

I am sure that there probably is a socialist on here that can agree with Biden on this.

Washington, D. C. —Many are expressing concerns over how far the Taliban has managed to advance after Press Secretary Jen Psaki gave her latest press conference while wearing an Islamic Hijab.

"No, there is nothing to worry about, Alhamdulillah, Allah be praised," said Psaki. "The Taliban poses no danger to the USA And they definitely have not advanced as far as Washington, the. See. Everything is fine here. ".

When asked about her new modest religious veil, she responded, "What do you mean? I always wear these! It's sunny out and it keeps the sun off my head. Nothing to worry about!" She then circled back to face Mecca and bowed her head to the ground. She then also stated: "Rumors of the fall of Afghanistan to the Islamist Taliban are greatly exaggerated!

The White House also confirmed that the crowd of military-aged males with AK47's playing soccer on the White House lawn was just a fun little bit of performance art and nothing to be concerned over.

In other news, the. See. Has confirmed that call to prayer will be at 3 pm this afternoon and that everyone needs to be on time. . .

[QUOTE=Kadeem;2593369]Is there a reason for importing Russian oil rather than producing our own oil?

Is there a reason for boosting Russian Energy companies while hurting domestic oil companies?

Is there a reason for creating millions of jobs in Russia and losing millions of jobs in USA?

Is there a reason for paying more for Russian oil than USA oil?

Is there a reason for making Russian economy great and killing USA economy?

Is there a reason for gas prices of $5.00 gallon?

Only Biden and his loyal democrats can see good in this.

I am sure that there probably is a socialist on here that can agree with Biden on this.[/QUOTE]How much oil does the US export? About 35% of production. [URL]https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6[/URL].

The bigger question is this: In 2019, the US imported 9.14 million BBLS / day and exported 8.47 million BBLS day.

Why?

I'm not sure who wins or who is really showing true IQ points for posting about politics on an international internet mongering forum.

However.

Whether Bush, Obama, Trump, or now Biden.

And none of the other international powerhouses of the day who were involved.

Could make Afghanistan a suitable mongering destination.

Peace and love Peace and LUVVV.

[QUOTE=Travv;2593381]Washington, D. C. Many are expressing concerns over how far the Taliban has managed to advance after Press Secretary Jen Psaki gave her latest press conference while wearing an Islamic Hijab.

"No, there is nothing to worry about, Alhamdulillah, Allah be praised," said Psaki. "The Taliban poses no danger to the USA And they definitely have not advanced as far as Washington, the. See. Everything is fine here. ".

When asked about her new modest religious veil, she responded, "What do you mean? I always wear these! It's sunny out and it keeps the sun off my head. Nothing to worry about!" She then circled back to face Mecca and bowed her head to the ground. She then also stated: "Rumors of the fall of Afghanistan to the Islamist Taliban are greatly exaggerated!

The White House also confirmed that the crowd of military-aged males with AK47's playing soccer on the White House lawn was just a fun little bit of performance art and nothing to be concerned over.

In other news, the. See. Has confirmed that call to prayer will be at 3 pm this afternoon and that everyone needs to be on time..[/QUOTE]Then again, the real pictures are attached.

Chris, I admire you for sticking in here and arguing but in the end it is futile. A Dem sent me an article today from Thomas Friedman about how Biden could still be proven right in Afghanistan.

I would put GW Bush and Carter as the two worst presidents in my life time. Thing is both started out with good approval ratings because they were quiet and not in the news at first. Biden's best quality was that he was not the headline grabber Trump was.

Well, now we see what happens when we put someone with dementia in the White House. That there are going to be the Democratic douches putting lipstick on this pig is inevitable but it is not going to stick. In addition to the Afghan disaster, there was this bit in the news: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/bidens-abysmal-day-just-got-worse-opec-snubs-plea-more-oil-says-wont-pump-more[/URL].

Biden's response was predictable. He blamed everyone but himself but the world is laughing at him in a way they never did with Trump. Say you what you will about Trump, he was crude, egotistical, but I do not recall anyone showing him this much disrespect. No one takes Biden seriously. Biden was talking about how Afghanistan was not going to fall on TV, and I had to tell my GF to change the channel because I could not handle such BS. Biden may have to bomb an aspirin factory like Clinton did to get this debacle off the front page.

The irony is that the Republicans in the know will never impeach Biden because they know that a demented Biden is actually better than a fully functioning Kamala Harris. Republicans I know are praying that Biden stays well. How screwed up is that?

100% of the focus of Dems in the primary was on beating Trump. They had no vision. They elected a horrible candidate whose only positive quality was they thought he could beat Trump.

That we are going to see a repeat of Carter IMO is inevitable. But then you have some douches here who actually think those were good times. Ha! They are going to be eating those words, but you know no matter how bad things get, those douches will never, never admit they are wrong.

Nobody could be worse than Trump right? Yeesh.

Again, I just want to leave this forum to them. I thought women were the ones who could delude themselves the most but these men make these women look completely rational. It is going to be fun laughing at their total BS.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2593254]Excellent post. You can usually tell what bad things leftists are doing because it is precisely what they accuse others of. For all the baseless lies about Trump / Russia, the fact is that it is Biden's handlers who have given Russia an enormous boost by approving the Russian pipeline to Europe and destroying the XL pipeline. Russia will now have vastly more energy exports, and vastly more power over Europe. Meanwhile America will need to import a huge amount, and Americans will suffer for it.

Ditto for the current shitshow in Afghanistan, with helicopters fleeing from the embassy just like in Saigon 1975. America is humiliated, and Russia and China are literally moving in as we speak to make deals with the Taliban.[/QUOTE]

Might I remind all the intellectual geopolitical geniuses here that Fat Nixon set an earlier date for withdrawal. In another time we chanted in the streets "Pull out Dick, like your father should have" Another jingoistic failed fantasy. The British, Russians, and others also got bloody noses from underestimating their adversaries. I'm not advocating for the Tally Band, a primitive tribe ascribing to religious claptrap and superstition. Please, no more black vs white verbal diarrhea about a very complex situation. Study the history before taping fingers to keyboards. "Charlie Wison's War" ?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2593394]How much oil does the US export? About 35% of production. [URL]https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6[/URL].

The bigger question is this: In 2019, the US imported 9.14 million BBLS / day and exported 8.47 million BBLS day.

Why?[/QUOTE]In 2020 the USA imported the least amount of oil since 1991 as per government records below. USA was a net exporter. USA refineries all use different grades of crude oil to make different products. Some grades of crude USA has to much of. Some grades of crude like heavy oil USA needs to import it. Mostly from Canada but Biden screwed that up so now we are getting it from Russia. USA imports crude and refines it and exports the finished product. USA was no longer dependent on foreign oil as of December 31, 2020. 8 months later Biden is begging Russia and OPEC to produce more oil. When USA gets dependent on foreign oil prices go up. The more oil USA produces the prices go down. Hence we have high gas prices in 2021 that we didn't have in 2019 and 2020. Not rocket science but most of you won't understand this. It is the same with any commodity. Supply and demand. Biden energy policy: USA loses. Russia and OPEC benefit. Trump energy policy USA benefits. Russia and OPEC lose. Big difference.

[URL]https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php[/URL]

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2593479]Might I remind all the intellectual geopolitical geniuses here that Fat Nixon set an earlier date for withdrawal. In another time we chanted in the streets "Pull out Dick, like your father should have" Another jingoistic failed fantasy. The British, Russians, and others also got bloody noses from underestimating their adversaries. I'm not advocating for the Tally Band, a primitive tribe ascribing to religious claptrap and superstition. Please, no more black vs white verbal diarrhea about a very complex situation. Study the history before taping fingers to keyboards. "Charlie Wison's War" ?[/QUOTE]Trump officially lost Bush's predictably failed war in Afghanistan, surrendering it to the Taliban, last year when he reduced our troop level to 2500, BEGotiated (Trump could never NEGotiate anything complicated) with just the Taliban, not the govt, for a specific withdrawal date regardless of conditions on the ground and then happily announced his intention to suck some Taliban cock at his invitation to Camp David on the anniversary of Bush's 9-11!

After that, whether the Taliban took over quickly or slowly, brutally or nicely was entirely up to them.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2593500]Trump officially lost Bush's predictably failed war in Afghanistan, surrendering it to the Taliban, last year when he reduced our troop level to 2500, BEGotiated (Trump could never NEGotiate anything complicated) with just the Taliban, not the govt, for a specific withdrawal date regardless of conditions on the ground and then happily announced his intention to suck some Taliban cock at his invitation to Camp David on the anniversary of Bush's 9-11!

After that, whether the Taliban took over quickly or slowly, brutally or nicely was entirely up to them.[/QUOTE]But the fascists won't believe you even though there's ample proof.

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/gop-quietly-removed-webpage-hailing-111358281.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/15/2046070/-Taliban-leader-and-top-commanders-are-among-the-5000-fighters-Trump-released-against-objections?fbclid=IwAR07k1RBfVep-wdSwFXsXAU8dxiZG0yLtEhSiE-ndzzbzYBHLvKfspCPWXg[/URL]

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-blame-biden-uss-chaotic-210342818.html[/URL]

They'll even ignore the fact that CNN is questioning it. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/jake-tapper-presses-sec-state-171426131.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2593394]How much oil does the US export? About 35% of production. [URL]https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6[/URL].

The bigger question is this: In 2019, the US imported 9.14 million BBLS / day and exported 8.47 million BBLS day.

Why?[/QUOTE]Long term deals. Different kinds of oil. Also, that figure doesn't differentiate between crude and products. We mostly export products, which are higher value -- it's called trade. Do you know that we both export and import beef to Mexico? Why? It turns out that some cuts of beef sell better down there -- there's no George Soros conspiracy.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2593353]Is there a reason for importing Russian oil? Yes, because it is better and my links proved that.

Are we energy independent as trump said? No, and my links proved that.[/QUOTE]There are lots of links out there saying Bruce Jenner is a woman. You probably believe them too.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2593521]Long term deals. Different kinds of oil. Also, that figure doesn't differentiate between crude and products. We mostly export products, which are higher value -- it's called trade. Do you know that we both export and import beef to Mexico? Why? It turns out that some cuts of beef sell better down there -- there's no George Soros conspiracy.[/QUOTE]Good to see you back from Leningrad.

The point is that Biden's handlers have massively boosted Russia and crippled US energy production. The former by approving the Russian pipeline to Europe, which will give Russia vast earnings and power over countries like Germany (literally the ability to turn out their lights); and the latter by stopping the XL pipeline, destroying tens of thousands of high-paying American jobs and reducing American energy independence.

Great job, Sleepy Joe. Almost as good as you did in Kabul.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2593284]Getting back to you quickly because there was no Trump crash, no Trump recession and no jobs lost by Trump policies. There was a pandemic. Trump policies today are keeping the economy going. Biden is doing his best to kill it.

California is suffering from Biden policies. Our restaurants and businesses were closed while other states were opened. Millions of people were put out of work and lives were destroyed. Businesses are closed. Democrats policy of defund the police and looting and stealing under $1000 not being a crime have destroyed business and made it unsafe to shop in many cities. Homeless control many areas in our state making our streets unsafe. Lower income families can no longer afford to buy gas. The destruction is here but you refuse to acknowledge it. You keep trashing Trump for made up fantasy when Biden is destroying America.

I am a democrat and I can see it. Biden has destroyed the lives of all innocent people in Afghanistan in just 6 months. Our borders are not secure and thousands are entering daily. How many of them are terrorists? The world sees a weak leader of USA and the world is taking advantage. We will see another 9-11 under Biden and you are to blame.[/QUOTE]Another excellent post. Remember all of the above when the midterms come up next year, and more importantly in 2024 when we have the opportunity to take back America from these incompetent, willfully destructive lunatics.

[QUOTE=Travv;2593381]Washington, D. C. Many are expressing concerns over how far the Taliban has managed to advance after Press Secretary Jen Psaki gave her latest press conference while wearing an Islamic Hijab.

"No, there is nothing to worry about, Alhamdulillah, Allah be praised," said Psaki. "The Taliban poses no danger to the USA And they definitely have not advanced as far as Washington, the. See. Everything is fine here. ".

When asked about her new modest religious veil, she responded, "What do you mean? I always wear these! It's sunny out and it keeps the sun off my head. Nothing to worry about!" She then circled back to face Mecca and bowed her head to the ground. She then also stated: "Rumors of the fall of Afghanistan to the Islamist Taliban are greatly exaggerated!

The White House also confirmed that the crowd of military-aged males with AK47's playing soccer on the White House lawn was just a fun little bit of performance art and nothing to be concerned over.

In other news, the. See. Has confirmed that call to prayer will be at 3 pm this afternoon and that everyone needs to be on time. . .[/QUOTE]"She then circled back to face Mecca and bowed her head to the ground" - LOL.

When Biden was asked his thoughts on the Muslim takeover, he was heard to reply: "Muslin? Softest sheets I ever owned. Oh yeah. I, er. You know, the thing! What was the question? Where am I? Come on man! Record player. Cornpop. " before wandering into a Bush in the Rose Garden.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2593182]When Trump or a Trump Wannabe Repub wins California because Californians are so horrified by what Biden and the Dems have done and long for the wonderful Trump Crash, Great Trump Repub Recession and Massive Job Destruction in the millions and millions of yore, get back to me.[/QUOTE]You truly have no credibility as you can only rehearse the same mantras over and over. That isn't debate, it's called filibuster, and you'd be stoked for it constantly, anywhere but in a monger forum. That's why you are here. We know Trump is an idiot, but you day after day shriek about Republicans causing all the "crashes" while ignoring Wilson and Truman's recessions. You mock Ike calling the 50's "atrocious," while ignoring all the gains for common people, especially those unionized and in blue collar fields. It was an age of the guy off to work with his lunch box, two roast beef sandwiches and a piece of pie, home ownership, and situations where the wife could afford to stay home. You praise Jimmy Carter even though he left behind a recession and was booted out of office after one term in an embarrassing landslide defeat. And much of a case can be made for the Reagan years, especially seeing that he for much of the time had to deal with a Democratic Congress, which meant compromise.

Like it or not Biden has egg on his face with Afghanistan, as well his hesitancy with voting rights reform as the modern era Jim Crow nonsense digs in it's heels. That all reality for someone who wishes a balanced perspective.

P.S. Stop harassing me in my PM box. I told you that I'm on vacation, but of course your self-centeredness and insistence on being right all the time takes precedence.

[QUOTE=Kadeem;2593369]Is there a reason for importing Russian oil rather than producing our own oil?

Is there a reason for boosting Russian Energy companies while hurting domestic oil companies?

Is there a reason for creating millions of jobs in Russia and losing millions of jobs in USA?

Is there a reason for paying more for Russian oil than USA oil?

Is there a reason for making Russian economy great and killing USA economy?

Is there a reason for gas prices of $5.00 gallon?

Only Biden and his loyal democrats can see good in this.

I am sure that there probably is a socialist on here that can agree with Biden on this.[/QUOTE]When cars are predominately electric there will be minimal oil imported, no reason to have a presence in the middle east, Russia will be broke and the air will be a lot cleaner to breathe and the people to thank will be Democrats.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2593500]Trump officially lost Bush's predictably failed war in Afghanistan, surrendering it to the Taliban, last year when he reduced our troop level to 2500[/QUOTE]What is predictable is you blaming Trump for this debacle by Biden.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2593493]Some grades of crude USA has to much of. Some grades of crude like heavy oil USA needs to import it. Mostly from Canada but Biden screwed that up so now we are getting it from Russia.[/QUOTE]No, that is not right, but you are getting there. It used to be that everyone wanted sweet crude because gasoline was the big seller. Then diesel cars took off in Europe and you get better yields of diesel with sour crude.

America got sour crude from Venezuela not Canada. The shale oil in the USA and Canada is mostly sweet. Venezuelan production has plummeted which is mostly Venezuela's fault. When you look for sour crude, the country that had it in excess was Russia hence the buying from them. That explains why we are importing from Russia, and it explains the increase in price of diesel fuel.

Gasoline is a different story. The USA has plenty of capacity there and is producing much less now than preCovid. The reason we have not gotten up to precovid levels is American oil companies are pissed at Biden and not in any hurry to have their hands slapped again. You have him cancelling the Keystone pipeline after they put God knows how much money into that. By the way, that is just a pay off to Warren Buffett a big time Democrat contributor who moves Canadian oil by train. A pipeline is cheaper and safer.

Then you have this BS climate change stuff where the oil companies are responsible for destroying the planet. Biden could have asked the American oil companies to increase production but he knew he would be given the middle finger.

So he went to OPEC which is really Saudi Arabia. The Saudis know the USA has capacity to increase production easily. In the past, the world was at full capacity. It is not now. Saudi Arabia knows that shale is a game changer and they have lost control of pricing. They know the rise in price is temporary as shale production will soon rise to match the increase in demand. So they told Biden to pound sand and will enjoy this temporary surge in prices.

Things will smooth out soon, but the reason to me is disgusting. American oil independence was a great story but with the Dems mucking it up, the oil companies will go elsewhere. There is a huge field in Argentina, the vaca muerta, that is as big as the one in West Texas. Instead of investing in Texas, the oil companies will go where they are wanted which is a place like Argentina. Say good bye to all those good oil jobs.

When Biden came in and declared war on the oil companies, you could see them change their behavior. Again, this was just politics as oil companies typically support Republicans. Now that he needs these same companies, they are not going to help him. Like with Afghanistan, Biden is just very, very short sighted. Cancelling that oil pipeline was a huge fuckup and sent word to the oil companies not to invest in America.

We are still waiting for T. Rex Tillerson to write his tell all book, but we know how he felt about his ex boss, an ex president: "fucking moron", sour, crude, and definitely not sweet. Fat Nixon's first trip abroad was to OPEC, otherwise known as Saudi Arabia to give MBS a handjob and fondle his Orb. El Vez has secured interviews with all the relevant players to issue his manifesto. True Dough, Vlad, Maduro & Alberto Fernández: "They will never apologize to me because I knelt before the IMF and indebted Argentina and generations of Argentines" MBS even gave a tour of the torture chamber and bone saw museum.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2593680]What is predictable is you blaming Trump for this debacle by Biden.[/QUOTE]Sooooo, what you are saying is that trump didn't negotiate an American withdrawal from Afghanistan? That trump wanted the pullout to be after Biden's date? That the QOP went along with trump without complaint? That trump expected the Taliban to play by the rules? That trump didn't handcuff the Afghan government by leaving them out of the negotiations?

Is that what you're saying? Because if it is, it is a lie.

There is plenty of blame to go around on this fiasco that is attributable to both trump and Biden.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2593455]Chris, I admire you for sticking in here and arguing but in the end it is futile. A Dem sent me an article today from Thomas Friedman about how Biden could still be proven right in Afghanistan.

I would put GW Bush and Carter as the two worst presidents in my life time. Thing is both started out with good approval ratings because they were quiet and not in the news at first. Biden's best quality was that he was not the headline grabber Trump was.

Well, now we see what happens when we put someone with dementia in the White House. That there are going to be the Democratic douches putting lipstick on this pig is inevitable but it is not going to stick. In addition to the Afghan disaster, there was this bit in the news: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/bidens-abysmal-day-just-got-worse-opec-snubs-plea-more-oil-says-wont-pump-more[/URL].

Biden's response was predictable. He blamed everyone but himself but the world is laughing at him in a way they never did with Trump. Say you what you will about Trump, he was crude, egotistical, but I do not recall anyone showing him this much disrespect. No one takes Biden seriously. Biden was talking about how Afghanistan was not going to fall on TV, and I had to tell my GF to change the channel because I could not handle such BS. Biden may have to bomb an aspirin factory like Clinton did to get this debacle off the front page..[/QUOTE]Good post, but you got one thing wrong. I'm not on here to persuade the democrat douches on this board. Their brainwashing is so deep they would probably have a brain aneurysm if they actually thought about anything. My posts are for people reading who probably never post, who just check in every now and then. It's good to let them know that the wacko leftist lunacy they see in so much of the fake media is just as wrong-headed and idiotic as they sense it is.

About Biden, we should all pray for the senile old vegetable to stay in (nominal) power for at least the next couple of years, because if Harris gets in things will become very bad for conservative heritage Americans. She is a classic product of the woke communist grievance industry, and her hatred of America and white men runs to her core. When in California, she ordered a police raid on the home of a (white male, of course) journalist whose reporting displeased her. Of course the fake news never publicized it. If she becomes president she will attempt mass gun confiscation by force; imposition of vaccine passports in grocery stores (ie you will starve to death if you don't comply); federalization of all police in the country (ie they all work directly for her). It will be a very dark time for us, in more ways than one.

The best thing would be for Biden to cling on until near the end of his illegitimate regime; maybe give out with a few months to go, so everyone can see just how terrible Harris is before the 2024 election.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2593493]In 2020 the USA imported the least amount of oil since 1991 as per government records below. USA was a net exporter. USA refineries all use different grades of crude oil to make different products. Some grades of crude USA has to much of. Some grades of crude like heavy oil USA needs to import it. Mostly from Canada but Biden screwed that up so now we are getting it from Russia. USA imports crude and refines it and exports the finished product. USA was no longer dependent on foreign oil as of December 31, 2020. 8 months later Biden is begging Russia and OPEC to produce more oil. When USA gets dependent on foreign oil prices go up. The more oil USA produces the prices go down. Hence we have high gas prices in 2021 that we didn't have in 2019 and 2020. Not rocket science but most of you won't understand this. It is the same with any commodity. Supply and demand. Biden energy policy: USA loses. Russia and OPEC benefit. Trump energy policy USA benefits. Russia and OPEC lose. Big difference.

[URL]https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php[/URL][/QUOTE]Excellent forensic post. It won't have any effect on the impenetrable brainwashing of the individual you're replying to, but rest assured that many saner and smarter people will read it and take note.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2593662]P.S. Stop harassing me in my PM box. I told you that I'm on vacation, but of course your self-centeredness and insistence on being right all the time takes precedence.[/QUOTE]Haha! These leftist wackos actually PMing people who call out their BS! Careful bud, one of them will probably hire an investigator and show up at your house soon.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2593663]When cars are predominately electric there will be minimal oil imported, no reason to have a presence in the middle east, Russia will be broke and the air will be a lot cleaner to breathe and the people to thank will be Democrats.[/QUOTE]Right, because the vast amounts of electricity required to power those cars, and to make the batteries (which need to be replaced regularly) will be produced by. Rainbows and fluffy kittens.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2593828]Good post, but you got one thing wrong. I'm not on here to persuade the democrat douches on this board. Their brainwashing is so deep they would probably have a brain aneurysm if they actually thought about anything. My posts are for people reading who probably never post, who just check in every now and then. It's good to let them know that the wacko leftist lunacy they see in so much of the fake media is just as wrong-headed and idiotic as they sense it is.

About Biden, we should all pray for the senile old vegetable to stay in (nominal) power for at least the next couple of years, because if Harris gets in things will become very bad for conservative heritage Americans. She is a classic product of the woke communist grievance industry, and her hatred of America and white men runs to her core. When in California, she ordered a police raid on the home of a (white male, of course) journalist whose reporting displeased her. Of course the fake news never publicized it. If she becomes president she will attempt mass gun confiscation by force; imposition of vaccine passports in grocery stores (ie you will starve to death if you don't comply); federalization of all police in the country (ie they all work directly for her). It will be a very dark time for us, in more ways than one.

The best thing would be for Biden to cling on until near the end of his illegitimate regime; maybe give out with a few months to go, so everyone can see just how terrible Harris is before the 2024 election.[/QUOTE]"because if Harris gets in things will become very bad for conservative heritage Americans. " This is the type of dog-whistle phrasing that racists use.

" If she becomes president she will attempt mass gun confiscation by force; imposition of vaccine passports in grocery stores (ie you will starve to death if you don't comply); federalization of all police in the country (ie they all work directly for her). It will be a very dark time for us, in more ways than one. "This is typical fascist misinformation. Fux news spews this vile crap nightly. [URL]https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-warns-that-america-will-be-invaded-by-millions-of-afghan-refugees[/URL].

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2593662]You truly have no credibility as you can only rehearse the same mantras over and over. That isn't debate, it's called filibuster, and you'd be stoked for it constantly, anywhere but in a monger forum. That's why you are here. We know Trump is an idiot, but you day after day shriek about Republicans causing all the "crashes" while ignoring Wilson and Truman's recessions. You mock Ike calling the 50's "atrocious," while ignoring all the gains for common people, especially those unionized and in blue collar fields. It was an age of the guy off to work with his lunch box, two roast beef sandwiches and a piece of pie, home ownership, and situations where the wife could afford to stay home. You praise Jimmy Carter even though he left behind a recession and was booted out of office after one term in an embarrassing landslide defeat. And much of a case can be made for the Reagan years, especially seeing that he for much of the time had to deal with a Democratic Congress, which meant compromise.

Like it or not Biden has egg on his face with Afghanistan, as well his hesitancy with voting rights reform as the modern era Jim Crow nonsense digs in it's heels. That all reality for someone who wishes a balanced perspective.

P.S. Stop harassing me in my PM box. I told you that I'm on vacation, but of course your self-centeredness and insistence on being right all the time takes precedence.[/QUOTE]LOL. More easily debunked total nonsense from you on every point, especially the part about me harassing you in PMs.

Folks, beware, that loon started sending me PMs he was too much of a coward to post here and then began sending me THREE PMs at a time with the same message until I told him it would require a lot less work on his part if he just posted on the main board. Thankfully, he has not PMd me once in the past 3-4 days after I pointed that out. Good thing. I was on the verge of reporting him to the site Administrator. Lolol

Now I know even YOU know the stuff you post is total nonsense. You gave it away with that bit about me harassing you in PMs.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2593680]What is predictable is you blaming Trump for this debacle by Biden.[/QUOTE]When will George W. Bush and everyone who voted for him apologize for that predictably failed war?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2593907]LOL. More total nonsense, especially the part about me harassing you in PMs.

Folks, that loon started sending me PMs he was too much of a coward to post here and then began sending me THREE PMs at a time with the same message until I told him it would require a lot less work on his part if he just posted on the main board. Thankfully, he has not PMd me once in the past 3-4 days after I pointed that out. Lolol[/QUOTE]He's "on vacation."

Oh. Looks like Biden managed to at least get an agreement from the Taliban to make a positive public statement regarding women's rights. Much more thanTrump got. Trump was only concerned about them please not shooting at us when we fled the country under his "leadership."

[B]Taliban says women can be very active in society. A watching world is skeptical.[/B]
[URL]https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-08-17/kabul-taliban-starts-governing-declares-amnesty[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2593806]Sooooo, what you are saying is that trump didn't negotiate an American withdrawal from Afghanistan?[/QUOTE]Oh, let me make it easier for you douche. When I saw Biden saying the Taliban were not going to take over Afghanistan, I had my GF turn off the TV because I could not listen to his bullshit.

When the Taliban overran Afghanistan, I was laughing at how you douches would be pointing fingers and sure enough, it is Trump's fault or partially Trump's fault because he did (fill in the blank) when Biden totally shit the bed on his own.

You and Eihtooms are such partisan Democratic that if a Democrat killed a 100 Republicans in cold blood, you two would find a way to blame the dead Republicans. That is what I am saying. Got it now?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2593908]When will George W. Bush and everyone who voted for him apologize for that predictably failed war?[/QUOTE]The minute you Democratic and all who voted for him apologize for Clinton not getting rid of Bin Laden. Two can play the partisan finger pointing game.

Tucker Carlson (and Laura Ingraham) don't seem to think taking care of the Afghans we left behind is really the USA's responsibility at all.

[B]Tucker Carlson Slams U.S. Housing Afghanistan Refugees: 'First We Invade, Then We Are Invaded'[/B]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-slams-us-housing-afghanistan-refugees-first-we-invade-then-we-are-invaded-1619954[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2593913]Oh. Looks like Biden managed to at least get an agreement from the Taliban to make a positive public statement regarding women's rights. Much more thanTrump got. Trump was only concerned about them please not shooting at us when we fled the country under his "leadership."

[B]Taliban says women can be very active in society. A watching world is skeptical.[/B]
[URL]https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-08-17/kabul-taliban-starts-governing-declares-amnesty[/URL][/QUOTE]Biden failed to mention Taliban is giving women's rights according to Islam Law. Which means they don't get any rights. Biden begging to Taliban just shows weakness. Biden showed the world that USA leadership is weak and can be taken advantage of. Taliban first to do it. Took them 3 or 4 days. Terrorists are in hog heaven with Biden presidency. They can just walk into USA from Mexico and we have another 9-11. There is a reason Taliban didn't try taking over all of Afghanistan when Trump cut troops to 2500 because Trump would have retaliated. They waited for a weak spineless president that begs Taliban to let US citizens leave.

Democrats and Republicans both acknowledge this.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2593662]You truly have no credibility as you can only rehearse the same mantras over and over. That isn't debate, it's called filibuster, and you'd be stoked for it constantly, anywhere but in a monger forum. That's why you are here. We know Trump is an idiot, but you day after day shriek about Republicans causing all the "crashes" while ignoring Wilson and Truman's recessions. You mock Ike calling the 50's "atrocious," while ignoring all the gains for common people, especially those unionized and in blue collar fields. It was an age of the guy off to work with his lunch box, two roast beef sandwiches and a piece of pie, home ownership, and situations where the wife could afford to stay home. You praise Jimmy Carter even though he left behind a recession and was booted out of office after one term in an embarrassing landslide defeat. And much of a case can be made for the Reagan years, especially seeing that he for much of the time had to deal with a Democratic Congress, which meant compromise.

Like it or not Biden has egg on his face with Afghanistan, as well his hesitancy with voting rights reform as the modern era Jim Crow nonsense digs in it's heels. That all reality for someone who wishes a balanced perspective.

P.S. Stop harassing me in my PM box. I told you that I'm on vacation, but of course your self-centeredness and insistence on being right all the time takes precedence.[/QUOTE]Just wondering where you got that Eisenhower was so great for jobs creation of any kind for any demographic. You have repeated it a few times here and in your harassing PMs to me. BTW, I never said "the 1950's were atricious." I said Eisenhower's economy was atrocious. Hey, I like roast beef sandwiches and even ate a few during the Eisenhower years. But then, I ate a few during every president's term since Ike as well.

And I did not post that "atrocious" message here. I wrote it in a PM reply to your PM asking me what I had against Eisenhower's economy. LOL. You know, the reply you sent several harassing PMs about "not reading" it? Clearly a lie.

Anyway, back to Repub potus economies vs Dem potus economies from FDR/Truman to Biden, the link below is an easy to read general overview of the topic including various important factors like GPD growth, Jobs Creation, Recessions, Deficits, etc.

Too bad they didn't go back a full 100 years, the time frame I like to use for these comparisons (Wilson was gone by then). Including Hoover and the Repubs before him after 1921. That would have made the already crap results for Repubs vs Dems ever so much worse and clearer to see why, because those pre FDR Repubs' economic philosophy and agenda is the template for what Repubs have loved to do over and over again ever since. You know, the policies that produced, presided over and exacerbated The Great Repub Crash and Depression of the late 1920s/early 1930s.

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_under_Democratic_and_Republican_presidents[/URL]

As you can see, Eisenhower racked up three Recessions in just 8 years and earned one of the lowest ratings for average annual Jobs Creatiion for any president since such data is available, WAY down there with Trump, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush. They don't show data for roast beef sandwiches though.

Oh, and Carter's rating on that critical factor is among the TOP 3-4 of the past 100 years, all Democrats, of course, with Biden already rating VERY highly on that factor. Truman is rated highly as well despite his brief and relatively insignificant post-WWII recession while paying off those WWII debts.

As usual, Obama's historically unprecedented positive jobs creation record is unfairly marred by the timing of G.W. Bush's colossal job destruction Niagara Falls that was just cresting for its biggest crash as Obama took the Oath of Office in January 2009.

But even with that unfairness in the mix Obama's rating surpasses that of Trump, the Bushes and Eisenhower. It goes without saying it would have beat the hell out of Hoover's too, if they had gone back a full 100 years to show a remarkably consistent pattern of Repub economic under performance and disaster vs Dem economic recovery, growth and expansion right up to this very day as I like to do whenever the topic is brought up by others as you did here and in your PMs to me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2593934]Tucker Carlson (and Laura Ingraham) don't seem to think taking care of the Afghans we left behind is really the USA's responsibility at all.

[B]Tucker Carlson Slams U.S. Housing Afghanistan Refugees: 'First We Invade, Then We Are Invaded'[/B]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-slams-us-housing-afghanistan-refugees-first-we-invade-then-we-are-invaded-1619954[/URL][/QUOTE]We didn't "leave them behind" because we didn't bring them there in the first place. They chose to work for us, knowing the risks, and were well paid for doing so. The contract did not include residency and lifetime welfare in America.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2593981]Just wondering where you got that Eisenhower was so great for jobs creation of any kind for any demographic. You have repeated it a few times here and in your harassing PMs to me. BTW, I never said "the 1950's were atricious." I said Eisenhower's economy was atrocious. Hey, I like roast beef sandwiches and even ate a few during the Eisenhower years. But then, I ate a few during every president's term since Ike as well.

And I did not post that "atrocious" message here. I wrote it in a PM reply to your PM asking me what I had against Eisenhower's economy. LOL. You know, the reply you sent several harassing PMs about "not reading" it? Clearly a lie.

Anyway, back to Repub potus economies vs Dem potus economies from FDR/Truman to Biden, the link below is an easy to read general overview of the topic including various important factors like GPD growth, Jobs Creation, Recessions, Deficits, etc..[/QUOTE]The fascists who reply will first deride wikipedia. But don't post any other sources about the economies of each President (even though those sources exist) because the fascists will yell fake news (even though they haven't read the sources. That's because they didn't hear it on their one-true-news-source: Fux "News".

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2593924]Oh, let me make it easier for you douche. When I saw Biden saying the Taliban were not going to take over Afghanistan, I had my GF turn off the TV because I could not listen to his bullshit.

When the Taliban overran Afghanistan, I was laughing at how you douches would be pointing fingers and sure enough, it is Trump's fault or partially Trump's fault because he did (fill in the blank) when Biden totally shit the bed on his own.

You and Eihtooms are such partisan Democratic that if a Democrat killed a 100 Republicans in cold blood, you two would find a way to blame the dead Republicans. That is what I am saying. Got it now?[/QUOTE]You are saying that the former guy [B]did not[/B] negotiate with the Taliban without getting the Afghan government involved.

You are saying that the former guy [B]did not[/B] require the Afghan government to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners.

You are saying that the terms that the former guy "negotiated" with the Taliban [B]did not[/B] force the Taliban to not acquire additional territory prior to the US withdrawal.

Because if that's what you are saying, I can prove it is a lie.

What I find laughable is that the QOP would have pilloried Biden no matter what. If he would have said "we going to stay in Afghanistan until we can leave with honor", you fascists would have called him a warmonger.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2593998]We didn't "leave them behind" because we didn't bring them there in the first place. They chose to work for us, knowing the risks, and were well paid for doing so. The contract did not include residency and lifetime welfare in America.[/QUOTE]Using this same logic, Chrisp thinks that it would be fine if willfully refusing a COVID vaccine would result in a COVID patient being refused medical treatment and also to pay for the medical expenses of all that he / she infected. "They knew the risks and it didn't include free medical care".

[QUOTE=Kadeem;2593968]Biden failed to mention Taliban is giving women's rights according to Islam Law. Which means they don't get any rights. Biden begging to Taliban just shows weakness. Biden showed the world that USA leadership is weak and can be taken advantage of. Taliban first to do it. Took them 3 or 4 days. Terrorists are in hog heaven with Biden presidency. They can just walk into USA from Mexico and we have another 9-11. There is a reason Taliban didn't try taking over all of Afghanistan when Trump cut troops to 2500 because Trump would have retaliated. They waited for a weak spineless president that begs Taliban to let US citizens leave.

Democrats and Republicans both acknowledge this.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/3952441651522306/[/URL]

"You're not gonna need an 'exit strategy'."
"As soon as we leave it's all gonna blow up anyway."
- the very strong and threatening BEGotiator, Donald J. Trump.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2593925]The minute you Democratic and all who voted for him apologize for Clinton not getting rid of Bin Laden. Two can play the partisan finger pointing game.[/QUOTE]Get rid of him based on what evidence Clinton had as president? You do have to explain to the world why the USA killed the son of a wealthy, well placed Middle East businessman and popular member of that family. The CIA, FBI and other intel agencies did not determine Bin Laden was (likely) responsible for the October 2000 USS Cole attack until June of 2001. What did the POTUS at that time do about it?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2593998]We didn't "leave them behind" because we didn't bring them there in the first place. They chose to work for us, knowing the risks, and were well paid for doing so. The contract did not include residency and lifetime welfare in America.[/QUOTE]Then what are the Biden critics on FUX News Channel and elsewhere demanding should have been done with them after Trump reduced our troop level to a paltry 2500 five days before leaving office, probably his obedient response to an order from the Taliban to do so, refusing to work with and coordinate any "plan" with the incoming administration, Trump obediently having gotten those 5,000 Taliban terrorists released from prison on the Taliban's orders but against the wishes of the Afghanistan government, the president of Afghanistan fleeing in terror and all the Warlords and local officials taking Taliban bribes to do nothing and look the other way while the Taliban seized control of Kabul without firing a single shot?

Just put them on a plane and fly around non stop until they die of old age? Set up a new Witness Protection I.D. and life for them in a cave?

When CNN is calling the Biden admin out for their incompetence, you know they f'd up huge.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBE9OqILRrk[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2593998]We didn't "leave them behind" because we didn't bring them there in the first place. They chose to work for us, knowing the risks, and were well paid for doing so. The contract did not include residency and lifetime welfare in America.[/QUOTE]I mean if you don't care that thousands of Afghans helping our troops and risking their lives along with our troops all these years might end up getting tortured and killed, then there is no problem with Biden's botched withdrawal. All is good, right? Is that what you're saying?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2593924]Oh, let me make it easier for you douche. When I saw Biden saying the Taliban were not going to take over Afghanistan, I had my GF turn off the TV because I could not listen to his bullshit.

When the Taliban overran Afghanistan, I was laughing at how you douches would be pointing fingers and sure enough, it is Trump's fault or partially Trump's fault because he did (fill in the blank) when Biden totally shit the bed on his own.

You and Eihtooms are such partisan Democratic that if a Democrat killed a 100 Republicans in cold blood, you two would find a way to blame the dead Republicans. That is what I am saying. Got it now?[/QUOTE]Could you make it easier for me douche to understand why you can't turn off the TV on your own?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2594380]I mean if you don't care that thousands of Afghans helping our troops and risking their lives along with our troops all these years might end up getting tortured and killed, then there is no problem with Biden's botched withdrawal. All is good, right? Is that what you're saying?[/QUOTE]Where in their contracts did it say "permanent residency and lifetime welfare in America"?

The scenes at the Fall of Kabul will go down with the Fall of Saigon as an abject humiliation for America. In fact it is worse: the South Vietnamese army at least held out for 2 years after US military withdrawal. The Afghan National Army couldn't even hold out for 2 weeks. The Taliban have now surrounded the airport, and the Biden administration is having to beg them to permit Americans to leave.

Biden presided over this disastrous humiliation, which has weakened and embarrassed the US.

And all you can think about is filling America with more third world shitholers on welfare. LOL. Election fraud, fake news, humiliation, failure, third world invasion: a fitting end to our fallen country.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2593998]We didn't "leave them behind" because we didn't bring them there in the first place. They chose to work for us, knowing the risks, and were well paid for doing so. The contract did not include residency and lifetime welfare in America.[/QUOTE]This has got to be the wackiest comment I've ever read.

Evidently the QOP figures that every LEO that has been killed worldwide "chose the work, knew the risks and was well-paid". Tell that to their families you douche.

The same thing goes for the military, firefighters and every other person working in a dangerous job like the ones listed here: [URL]https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states[/URL].

The sad part is that the OP doesn't know how many people he insulted. Worse, he doesn't care.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2594380]I mean if you don't care that thousands of Afghans helping our troops and risking their lives along with our troops all these years might end up getting tortured and killed, then there is no problem with Biden's botched withdrawal. All is good, right? Is that what you're saying?[/QUOTE]Exactly. And Repubs can't possibly fault Biden for the Taliban's positive announcement regarding women's rights and other social issues even if it will be either according to Islamic Law or the Taliban's version of it.

I hear for the Taliban that means abortion is forbidden, gay marriage is forbidden, vaccines are forbidden, a rejection of science, no separation of church and state, religion taught in schools...need I go on?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2593924]Oh, let me make it easier for you douche. When I saw Biden saying the Taliban were not going to take over Afghanistan, I had my GF turn off the TV because I could not listen to his bullshit.

When the Taliban overran Afghanistan, I was laughing at how you douches would be pointing fingers and sure enough, it is Trump's fault or partially Trump's fault because he did (fill in the blank) when Biden totally shit the bed on his own.

You and Eihtooms are such partisan Democratic that if a Democrat killed a 100 Republicans in cold blood, you two would find a way to blame the dead Republicans. That is what I am saying. Got it now?[/QUOTE]Afghanistan has zero strategic importance yet trillions of dollars were spent on it for what? Bush failed in Afghanistan to capture Bin Laden, there was no other purpose to be there. So what is your point. What difference does it make if the Taliban are in control? The money spent on fighting the Taliban would have been much more wisely spent on American health care or social services, even maintaining departments to monitor pandemic risks and implement action plans.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2593849]Right, because the vast amounts of electricity required to power those cars, and to make the batteries (which need to be replaced regularly) will be produced by. Rainbows and fluffy kittens.[/QUOTE]Not oil from Russia or the Middle East or do you like to hand your money over to people actively working against your interests!

Two roast beef sandwiches and a piece of pie, four deviled eggs (all homemade), and two cartons of milk. Home ownership, strong unions, stat ay home wives, flourishing GI bill, mind blowing golden age of cimena, and that was the 50's, Ike. We also saw the inauguration of Civil Rights in highly courageous films like Giant, iconic and immortal. Look it up. The era was so good that it took a pale flunkie, Nixon with awful TV debate performances to thwart an essential third term by a hair, something that is most hard to do.

Afghanistan? Well, there's a principle few politicians understand. If you have an angry pitt bull by the ears, don't let go. It will be a black mark on the Biden legacy that conservatives will harp on to try and get back in power. There's already been positives. More positives and negatives are to come. Opponents will minimize or dismiss the former, while howling about that latter. That's politics.

That said hopefully we call all agree that two roast beef sandwiches, deviled eggs, pegan pie and fresh milk sound very good, and all for a hard working man. Wink.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2594328]Using this same logic, Chrisp thinks that it would be fine if willfully refusing a COVID vaccine would result in a COVID patient being refused medical treatment and also to pay for the medical expenses of all that he / she infected. "They knew the risks and it didn't include free medical care".[/QUOTE]No, that's not using the same logic. Or indeed any logic. But speaking of infecting people (with a disease that causes real harm) I will note that democrats have decriminalized knowingly passing on HIV in states they control. Probably because much of their base is already infected. Which would you rather contract. Covid or aids?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2594398]This has got to be the wackiest comment I've ever read.

Evidently the QOP figures that every LEO that has been killed worldwide "chose the work, knew the risks and was well-paid". Tell that to their families you douche.

The same thing goes for the military, firefighters and every other person working in a dangerous job like the ones listed here: [URL]https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states[/URL].

The sad part is that the OP doesn't know how many people he insulted. Worse, he doesn't care.[/QUOTE]A typical non-sequitur from the DD (Democrat Douche).

Let me make it simple: non-citizens who freely chose to work for the US in Afghanistan, at good rates of pay, are not entitled to permanent residency and lifetime welfare for themselves (and their extended families via chain migration) in the USA.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with LEOs or firefighters being killed. Only someone with their head in the communist clouds could write such nonsense. Stop insulting good Americans doing tough jobs you would never do by comparing them with third world shithole welfare flunkies.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2594543]The era was so good that it took a pale flunkie, Nixon with awful TV debate performances to thwart an essential third term by a hair[/QUOTE]Actually it was democrat election rigging that thwarted a third term. Some things never change.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2594474]Not oil from Russia or the Middle East or do you like to hand your money over to people actively working against your interests![/QUOTE]Republicans want to produce oil and gas domestically but the democrats including Biden wants to get our oil from Russia and OPEC which are against the USA. You support this.

Most of the solar panels are made in China. Most of the lithium for batteries for electric cars and electric storage is controlled by China. The democrats are obviously making China economy boom.

We are handing our economy and money to our adversaries. Smart move Biden.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2594370]When CNN is calling the Biden admin out for their incompetence, you know they f'd up huge.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBE9OqILRrk[/URL][/QUOTE]Nah. It's just that free media don't spare those who fuck up. Dems, reps, Cuomo, Biden, Trump, doesn't matter. They report.

I understand that for people who have volunteered to twist their brains into believing liars and cheerleaders from the likes of FOX or OANN, this is a hard concept to grasp. But the fact remains. Dealing with Taliban was cheered on by all Trumpies out there while the Red Menace was in office. Unilateral withdrawals, base closings, leaving caches of weapons for advancing Taliban, all was good.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-taliban-peace-deal-afghanistan-jim-hanson[/URL]

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-signs-historic-peace-deal-with-taliban-pompeo-strikes-cautious-tone[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2594396]Where in their contracts did it say "permanent residency and lifetime welfare in America"? SNIPg
And all you can think about is filling America with more third world shitholers on welfare. LOL. [/QUOTE]No, all I can think of is helping our Afghan allies (who we asked to risk their lives for our own strategic goals) to stay alive.

But it's telling how you and your ilk believe that every immigrant coming to the USA goes on welfare (and "lifetime welfare" no less).

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2594398]This has got to be the wackiest comment I've ever read.

Evidently the QOP figures that every LEO that has been killed worldwide "chose the work, knew the risks and was well-paid". Tell that to their families you douche.

The same thing goes for the military, firefighters and every other person working in a dangerous job like the ones listed here: [URL]https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states[/URL].

The sad part is that the OP doesn't know how many people he insulted. Worse, he doesn't care.[/QUOTE]Of course he doesn't. But is it that surprising?

Their own Dear Leader told a military widow who JUST lost her husband that he "knew what he signed up for. ".

[URL]https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2017/10/18/lawmaker-says-trump-told-military-widow-that-her-husband-knew-what-he-signed-up-for/[/URL]

Trump and trumpies -- a match made in a dumpster.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2594588]I will note that democrats have decriminalized knowingly passing on HIV in states they control.[/QUOTE]Another tired and boring lie.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/politics/fact-check-boebert-legalized-hiv-covid-restaurants/index.html[/URL]

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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2594361]Then what are the Biden critics on FUX News Channel and elsewhere demanding should have been done with them after Trump reduced our troop level to a paltry 2500 five days before leaving office, probably his obedient response to an order from the Taliban to do so, refusing to work with and coordinate any "plan" with the incoming administration, Trump obediently having gotten those 5,000 Taliban terrorists released from prison on the Taliban's orders but against the wishes of the Afghanistan government, the president of Afghanistan fleeing in terror and all the Warlords and local officials taking Taliban bribes to do nothing and look the other way while the Taliban seized control of Kabul without firing a single shot?

Just put them on a plane and fly around non stop until they die of old age? Set up a new Witness Protection I.D. and life for them in a cave?[/QUOTE]It has been 8 months since Biden took office. When Trump reduced troops to 2500 why didn't Taliban take Kabul then? It seems like they waited for a weak president to put his plan in to attack. Biden had 8 months to figure it out but Biden didn't have a plan. He just assumed Taliban would cooperate. He should have been smart enough to get all the Americans out at least before he reduced troops further but he didn't. He should have listened to his military advisors telling him that he was moving to fast. But in his defense he didn't remember these discussions because he is senile. This catastrophe is totally Biden. You can't blame Trump or anyone else. Now 10,000 to 15,000 Americans will lose their lives. The whole world know Biden screwed up and it is an embarrassment to the USA.

There are numerous Muslim countries for these Afghans to live in. There is no reason to force these Afghans to live in an oppressive racist country like the USA, per BLM. Give them a flight to Mecca and let Saudi Arabia pay for their welfare bennies and Section 8 housing. Think the Saudis can afford a little charity for the Afghan pilgrims to Mecca? As a bonus, US citizens don't have to worry about these "refugees" flying an airliner into a skyscraper, which is what started this whole mess. The "Invade the World; Invite the World" strategy of George W. Bush is a disaster for the average American.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2594380]I mean if you don't care that thousands of Afghans helping our troops and risking their lives along with our troops all these years might end up getting tortured and killed, then there is no problem with Biden's botched withdrawal. All is good, right? Is that what you're saying?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2594688]It has been 8 months since Biden took office. When Trump reduced troops to 2500 why didn't Taliban take Kabul then? It seems like they waited for a weak president to put his plan in to attack. Biden had 8 months to figure it out but Biden didn't have a plan. He just assumed Taliban would cooperate. He should have been smart enough to get all the Americans out at least before he reduced troops further but he didn't. He should have listened to his military advisors telling him that he was moving to fast. But in his defense he didn't remember these discussions because he is senile. This catastrophe is totally Biden. You can't blame Trump or anyone else. Now 10,000 to 15,000 Americans will lose their lives. The whole world know Biden screwed up and it is an embarrassment to the USA.[/QUOTE]Instead of asking this ridiculous question "When Trump reduced troops to 2500 why didn't Taliban take Kabul then?" , why not look it up? [URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57933979[/URL] The answer is obvious. The Taliban didn't control enough of the country, as any military person could have told you.

But if the Taliban didn't control much of the country when the trump negotiations were over, how come they do now? One reason is that the former guy didn't negotiate for the Taliban to remain in place until our withdrawal. WTF? Trump didn't negotiate that?

So the upshot is that trump's useless negotiating skills let the Taliban take over the entire country without having to fire a shot (relatively speaking). What kind of lame negotiator allows that?

By the way, do you have a source for your "Now 10,000 to 15,000 Americans will lose their lives" statement?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2594383]Could you make it easier for me douche to understand why you can't turn off the TV on your own?[/QUOTE]Because she had the remote. LOLOLOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2594345]Get rid of him based on what evidence Clinton had as president?[/QUOTE]His own fucking words.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2594345]The CIA, FBI and other intel agencies did not determine Bin Laden was (likely) responsible for the October 2000 USS Cole attack until June of 2001.[/QUOTE]One thing about being a Democratic is you make up the fact that all scientists and intelligence communities agree with you on every point.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2594688]It has been 8 months since Biden took office. When Trump reduced troops to 2500 why didn't Taliban take Kabul then? It seems like they waited for a weak president to put his plan in to attack. Biden had 8 months to figure it out but Biden didn't have a plan. He just assumed Taliban would cooperate. He should have been smart enough to get all the Americans out at least before he reduced troops further but he didn't. He should have listened to his military advisors telling him that he was moving to fast. But in his defense he didn't remember these discussions because he is senile. This catastrophe is totally Biden. You can't blame Trump or anyone else. Now 10,000 to 15,000 Americans will lose their lives. The whole world know Biden screwed up and it is an embarrassment to the USA.[/QUOTE]Trump assumed his BEGotiations with the Taliban would have them taking over within 48 hours of his scheduled May withdrawal. The fact that Biden managed to keep them at bay for an additional 3 months for those on our side to get their shit together (squandered by many) is a stark contrast in Trump weakness vs Biden strength:

Watch the video from FUX News Channel here:
[b]Former Natl. Sec. Dir. John Ratcliffe said that Trump knew that the Afghan military would fall to the Taliban within 48 hours but negotiated a deal to pull U.S. troops out of the country anyway.[/b]
[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2021/08/john-ratcliffe-taliban-trump[/URL]
[quote]Under the original conditions that the Trump administration negotiated with the Taliban, U.S. forces would have withdrawn from Afghanistan in May. President Joe Biden extended that exit until August.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2594543]Two roast beef sandwiches and a piece of pie, four deviled eggs (all homemade), and two cartons of milk. Home ownership, strong unions, stat ay home wives, flourishing GI bill, mind blowing golden age of cimena, and that was the 50's, Ike. We also saw the inauguration of Civil Rights in highly courageous films like Giant, iconic and immortal. Look it up. The era was so good that it took a pale flunkie, Nixon with awful TV debate performances to thwart an essential third term by a hair, something that is most hard to do.

Afghanistan? Well, there's a principle few politicians understand. If you have an angry pitt bull by the ears, don't let go. It will be a black mark on the Biden legacy that conservatives will harp on to try and get back in power. There's already been positives. More positives and negatives are to come. Opponents will minimize or dismiss the former, while howling about that latter. That's politics.

That said hopefully we call all agree that two roast beef sandwiches, deviled eggs, pegan pie and fresh milk sound very good, and all for a hard working man. Wink.[/QUOTE]GIANT, as was the case with most of the best movies of the great 1950's era of movies, was directed by a Liberal. I only mention that beacuse it helped to bring a touch of humanity to their art and craft rarely matched in the past few decades. In that case it was George Stevens. He won the Best Director Oscar for it. Good movie. But among the 5 nominees for Best Picture, AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS was really the best overall production in the group and deserved the Oscar for it.

However, the greatest movie of that year was not nominated for a Best Picture or Best Director Oscar and, coincidentally, is more pertinent to today's American Politics than ever; John Ford's masterpiece western, THE SEARCHERS.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2594668]Nah. It's just that free media don't spare those who fuck up. Dems, reps, Cuomo, Biden, Trump, doesn't matter. They report.
... [/QUOTE]Of course. The only reason anyone might be misled into thinking mainstream media like CNN and any other real news sources over the decades is "liberal" or on the side if the Dems is because the bad news they had to report for the past 100 years, particularly regarding the economy, is so astonishingly consistently due to "conservative" or Repub policies, agenda and decisions and virtually never from those of the Dems.

The media has had no choice in the matter. Not real news sources, that is. On the other hand, FUX News Channel was created to slant the news toward Repubs, twist it and lie about it to do so.

Meanwhile, mainstream media will always propose false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" in order to denigrate consistent Dem economic expansion and growth while elevating consistent Repub economic gross under performance, Crashes and disasters and thereby aid the election of Repubs over Dems because bad news on that issue attracts more eyes and ears to their corporate employers' product.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2594773]GIANT, as was the case with most of the best movies of the great 1950's era of movies, was directed by a Liberal. I only mention that beacuse it helped to bring a touch of humanity to their art and craft rarely matched in the past few decades. In that case it was George Stevens. He won the Best Director Oscar for it. Good movie. But among the 5 nominees for Best Picture, AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS was really the best overall production in the group and deserved the Oscar for it.

However, the greatest movie of that year was not nominated for a Best Picture or Best Director Oscar and, coincidentally, is more pertinent to today's American Politics than ever; John Ford's masterpiece western, THE SEARCHERS.[/QUOTE]Gentlemen I do not care what your political slant is, you want to see Giant if you haven't already. It's American creativity at it's pinnacle. I recommend springing for the blu-ray, quality wise will beat any online stream. It's not only an amazing movie with Rock Hudson, Liz Taylor, and James Dean at their best, it's a microcosm into America, who we are as a people, warts, growing pains, and all.

The sad part is that Jimmy never saw the finished product. He used the funds he made from the film to buy the Porche he died in. He outdid his Rebel Without a Cause performance, no small feat.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2594668]Nah. It's just that free media don't spare those who fuck up. Dems, reps, Cuomo, Biden, Trump, doesn't matter. They report.[/QUOTE]These are genuine news sources, the big three, and even CNN with a left center slant. They rake Dems over the coals all the time when they have it coming, and so do I. Fox, OANN, News Max, etc. Though are tabloid. It's the new era of true "fake news," the Rush Limbaugh Show masquerading as a news network, and that's being generous.

I forgot about the cars, oh my oh my. The Chrysler Corp stuff wins the day in the US in my opinion, though this is surely debatable. Go in Google, are many breathtaking photos. Oh shit, and your average Joe could own these beauties.

[QUOTE=Kadeem;2594644]Republicans want to produce oil and gas domestically but the democrats including Biden wants to get our oil from Russia and OPEC which are against the USA. You support this.

Most of the solar panels are made in China. Most of the lithium for batteries for electric cars and electric storage is controlled by China. The democrats are obviously making China economy boom.

We are handing our economy and money to our adversaries. Smart move Biden.[/QUOTE]Do not tell me what I support. I clearly have said that electric cars will kill the corrupt oil economies. I don't care if they are foreign or US. The US has significant lithium resources there is no reason they should not be exploited. If you can exploit oil why can't you make a buck out of lithium. Many of the boron mining waste dumps have economic concentrations of lithium. Stop whining about China eating your lunch. If a fraction of the money spent on the military to ponce around the middle east, Asia and Europe then the US could easily match China in the areas of solar panels and batteries.

Who screwed the pooch in Afghanistan? The former guy, that's who! [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/only-trump-mike-pence-mike-091407562.html[/URL].

"Few people seem impressed with President Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan, a sooner-than-expected military-run airlift operation from Kabul's civilian airport. Biden says his options were limited by a February 2020 peace treaty former President Donald Trump's team signed with the Taliban in Doha requiring all USA Forces to exit Afghanistan by May 1.

Trump, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and former Vice President Mike Pence have all said this week that if Biden followed Trump's Doha agreement better, Afghanistan wouldn't be such a mess. But they can't quite agree on why that's true, and few other high-ranking Trump national security officials seem to agree with them.

Pompeo told Fox News Sunday "we would have demanded that the Taliban actually deliver on the conditions that we laid out in the agreement," including engaging "in meaningful power-sharing agreement" talks, "before we completed our requirement to fully withdraw. " ("The Taliban have not violated any of the written conditions of the four-page agreement signed in Doha," The New York Times notes.).

Pence argued in a Wall Street Journal op-ed that the Taliban only took over the country because Biden broke the Doha agreement by not withdrawing all USA Forces by Trump's May 1 deadline.

On the other hand, Trump's first national security adviser, H. R. McMaster, said Pompeo "signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban" and traced Afghanistan's collapse "back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. " Lisa Curtis, an Afghanistan expert on Trump's National Security Council, told The Associated Press "the Doha agreement was a very weak agreement" that gave the Taliban too much — including 5,000 released prisoners — and seriously weakened the Afghan government.

Trump's defense secretary during the Taliban negotiations, Mark Esper, told CNN Wednesday that Trump "undermined" his own deal by publicly pushing to withdraw all USA Troops even if the Taliban didn't live up to its side of the treaty. Christopher Miller, Esper's successor, told Defense One that Trump never planned to withdraw USA Troops and considered the treaty a "play" to get Afghanistan's president to negotiate a power-sharing deal with the Taliban.

"In many ways, this is an overdue conversation," Aaron Blake writes at The Washington Post. "Trump's negotiations with the Taliban weren't huge news outside foreign policy circles because the war wasn't front-of-mind at the time," mostly. Still, he said, "it's striking" that so many "people who served in high-ranking foreign policy roles in the Trump administration seem to recognize the rise of the Taliban isn't going to make Trump's decision look like a great idea."

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2594832]These are genuine news sources, the big three, and even CNN with a left center slant. They rake Dems over the coals all the time when they have it coming, and so do I. Fox, OANN, News Max, etc. Though are tabloid. It's the new era of true "fake news," the Rush Limbaugh Show masquerading as a news network, and that's being generous.[/QUOTE]Here's a non-biased "source" to back you up: [URL]https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intro-to-the-media-bias-chart/?fbclid=IwAR0xgUnmJOI4a109rGg9Q06d8_Aj5LiMw0I4WBWfmf4S2yly_6n8p-HHJAQ[/URL].

I suggest that everybody look at the chart then examine your own assumptions. Look at the "green box" at the top of the chart. Look at how these sources "lean". The vast majority of the "green box" portion of the chart are "centrist". They may lean a little bit one way or the other but [B]none of them[/B] are rabidly partisan.

Then look at the remainder of the chart. From where on that chart do [B]you get your news[/B]. If you get it from Fox (TV) or The Daily Kos, your news should be relegated to lining the bottom of your birdcage. If you get your news from a source or sources within the "green box", you news is likely valid.

Now, which of the sources did the former guy disparage? Which of those sources do his cult disparage? All of the cult members will now start childish name-calling.

Nobody could be as dumb and ignorant as the Biden admin appeared to be during this Afghanistan fiasco. It's obvious that the Biden admin simply didn't care. The only military "operations" Biden cares about are the US tax payer funded sex change operations for trannies in the US military due to one of the many worthless Biden executive orders. Other than that, he'd prefer to be hiding in his basement eating ice cream.

[URL]https://www.worldtribune.com/team-bidens-va-will-pay-for-transgender-veterans-sex-change-operations/[/URL]

Biden's key advisors are on the same page as Biden.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2594688]It has been 8 months since Biden took office. When Trump reduced troops to 2500 why didn't Taliban take Kabul then? It seems like they waited for a weak president to put his plan in to attack. Biden had 8 months to figure it out but Biden didn't have a plan. He just assumed Taliban would cooperate. He should have been smart enough to get all the Americans out at least before he reduced troops further but he didn't. He should have listened to his military advisors telling him that he was moving to fast. But in his defense he didn't remember these discussions because he is senile. This catastrophe is totally Biden. You can't blame Trump or anyone else.[/QUOTE]Indeed. The Taliban didn't dare make a move during Trump's drawdown, because they feared and respected him. Once he was fraudulently removed the Taliban sensed weakness, and watching Biden falling down stairs, failing to finish sentences and wandering around lost and senile must have strengthened their certainty. And indeed they were correct: Biden was too weak and disorganized to stop them taking the country in a week, in the worst humiliation in American history.

Imagine just flying the troops out on zero notice in the middle of the night, without even telling your allies in the Afghan army or the British stationed in the country. It is basic common sense that you coordinate with allies and get your civilians and vital assets out before the soldiers. The sheer idiotic incompetence is breathtaking. Even the sycophants in the fake news media can't cover for him as they did with his corruption, collapsing on the stairs, senility, election-rigging etc.

[QUOTE=Kadeem;2594644]Republicans want to produce oil and gas domestically but the democrats including Biden wants to get our oil from Russia and OPEC which are against the USA. You support this.

Most of the solar panels are made in China. Most of the lithium for batteries for electric cars and electric storage is controlled by China. The democrats are obviously making China economy boom.

We are handing our economy and money to our adversaries. Smart move Biden.[/QUOTE]Excellent post. Biden has crippled US energy production by blocking the Keystone pipeline, while simultaneously giving Russia a massive boost by approving the pipeline from Russia to Europe, which will enable Russia to turn out Germany's lights. Kremlin Joe. Maybe we should be checking through Hunter's laptop for kickbacks from Russia on top of the ones we've already found from Ukraine and China.

Another point about lithium: guess where one of the world's biggest deposits of lithium is? Afghanistan! So Biden has now also surrendered that to China, who are making a mining deal with the Taliban right now. So all those electric car batteries the communist green enviro-wackos demand we use will come from China, giving the CCP yet another advantage over us. Great job, Sleepy Joe!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2595058]The only military "operations" Biden cares about are the US tax payer funded sex change operations for trannies in the US military [/QUOTE]Ha! Brilliant.

You are of course talking about native Indians right? Or do you mean nut job white folks who are almost all themselves born to immigrant ancestors?

After several months of lies pushing a false narrative, the FBI has now admitted that there was no coordinated, organized plot to overturn the election on January 6.

[URL]https://ricochet.com/1030850/capitol-breach-fbi-has-no-evidence-of-an-insurrection/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/[/URL]

In fact, any coordination that existed was done by FBI agents / informants, who are the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the charging documents (of protesters charged with the terrible crime of "trespassing" Any criminal case on this basis would be forced to reveal the identities of these people. They cannot do that, so they dropped the whole thing.

Another fake news narrative proved false, following on from Trump-Russia, Fentanyl Floyd, covid lockdown hysteria, and many more.

Meanwhile actual news, such as the Hunter Biden laptop detailing both his own crimes (drug abuse, falsely filling out a firearm application, disposing of a firearm in a garbage can) and wider corruption among the Biden crime family (bribes and no-work jobs for Hunter; "10% for The Big Guy") is suppressed.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2595058]Nobody could be as dumb and ignorant as the Biden admin appeared to be during this Afghanistan fiasco. It's obvious that the Biden admin simply didn't care. The only military "operations" Biden cares about are the US tax payer funded sex change operations for trannies in the US military due to one of the many worthless Biden executive orders. Other than that, he'd prefer to be hiding in his basement eating ice cream.

[URL]https://www.worldtribune.com/team-bidens-va-will-pay-for-transgender-veterans-sex-change-operations/[/URL]

Biden's key advisors are on the same page as Biden.[/QUOTE]Please tell me that you didn't use the World Tribune as a source. I have always suspected that you've lost it, but the World Tribune makes "Pravda" look good. [URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-tribune/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2594847]I forgot about the cars, oh my oh my. The Chrysler Corp stuff wins the day in the US in my opinion, though this is surely debatable. Go in Google, are many breathtaking photos. Oh shit, and your average Joe could own these beauties.[/QUOTE]Sure, even during a Repub presidency that produced and presided over 3 Recessions and one of the worst jobs creation records in 100 years, an average Joe had a shot at keeping up his car payments while eating 2 or 3 roast beef sandwiches a day as long as the Dems prior to that Repub presidency shouldered all the heavy lifting and assumed all the political risk establishing Unemployment Insurance Benefits and Social Security to carry him and his parents through a typically atrocious Repub economy and into the next historic Dem economic expansion and jobs creation presidency.

That's probably why the AFL-CIO, UAW and all the other big blue collar worker Unions endorsed JFK and not Eisenhower's VP.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2595143]After several months of lies pushing a false narrative, the FBI has now admitted that there was no coordinated, organized plot to overturn the election on January 6.

[URL]https://ricochet.com/1030850/capitol-breach-fbi-has-no-evidence-of-an-insurrection/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/[/URL]

In fact, any coordination that existed was done by FBI agents / informants, who are the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the charging documents (of protesters charged with the terrible crime of "trespassing" Any criminal case on this basis would be forced to reveal the identities of these people. They cannot do that, so they dropped the whole thing.

Another fake news narrative proved false, following on from Trump-Russia, Fentanyl Floyd, covid lockdown hysteria, and many more.

Meanwhile actual news, such as the Hunter Biden laptop detailing both his own crimes (drug abuse, falsely filling out a firearm application, disposing of a firearm in a garbage can) and wider corruption among the Biden crime family (bribes and no-work jobs for Hunter; "10% for The Big Guy") is suppressed.[/QUOTE]So it was really all due to Trump's 4-5 years of America-hating rallies and the culmination of his incitement of Anti-American democracy violence, sedition and insurrection, and no other influence on that murderous, cop-attacking and killing Repub Trumpster mob.

That's totally plausible.

Why would you think that FBI conclusion would get Trump and the murderous, America-hating mob he incited off the hook for anything?

This is a surprise to no one:

[B]Former Pence aide says Trump and Stephen Miller fought against taking Afghan refugees with racist hysteria.
Olivia Troye slammed previous administrations failure to help allies who were lifelines in Afghanistan[/B]
Aug. 20,2021.
[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-visas-afghan-refugees-troye-b1906190.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]A former White House Homeland Security official has accused the Trump administration of [b]deliberately obstructing visa processing for US allies in Afghanistan.[/b]

In a series of posts on Twitter, Olivia Troye, who served as an aide to former Vice President Mike Pence, eviscerated the previous administrations actions, which she said were steeped in racism.

There were cabinet mtgs about this during the Trump Admin where Stephen Miller would peddle his racist hysteria about Iraq and Afghanistan she wrote, adding that Mr Miller a senior aide and speechwriter for Donald Trump [b]would undermine anyone who was trying to resolve the Special Immigrants Visa issue.[/b]

Ms Troye went on to say that while Mr Pence was fully aware of the problem, it was impossible to make progress because [b]Mr Trump and Mr Miller had watchdogs in place at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security, State and security agencies to make the process even more difficult.[/b]

According to Ms Troye, [b]the Pentagon weighed in, and there were memos sent from General James Mattis and others attempting to expedite the visas, but to no avail.[/b][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2595016]Here's a non-biased "source" to back you up: [URL]https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intro-to-the-media-bias-chart/?fbclid=IwAR0xgUnmJOI4a109rGg9Q06d8_Aj5LiMw0I4WBWfmf4S2yly_6n8p-HHJAQ[/URL].

I suggest that everybody look at the chart then examine your own assumptions. Look at the "green box" at the top of the chart. Look at how these sources "lean". The vast majority of the "green box" portion of the chart are "centrist". They may lean a little bit one way or the other but [B]none of them[/B] are rabidly partisan.

Then look at the remainder of the chart. From where on that chart do [B]you get your news[/B]. If you get it from Fox (TV) or The Daily Kos, your news should be relegated to lining the bottom of your birdcage. If you get your news from a source or sources within the "green box", you news is likely valid.

Now, which of the sources did the former guy disparage? Which of those sources do his cult disparage? All of the cult members will now start childish name-calling.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure about that infographics. AP might be indeed a reliable source -- but only when it's not fighting for the Palestinian cause. And I don't know much about Al Jazeera, but don't they refer to Islamic terrorists as martyrs?

OK, let's forget about Israel and the Middle East, but they put Sputnik -- a Kremlin propaganda mouthpiece on the same line as CNN. Murdoch's Fox and NY Post, plus Washington Examiner are somehow above MSNBC (come on, really?). MSNBC, somehow, is found on the same level as another Putin's pet RT, conspiracy monger Zero Hedge and Washington Times.

Nah, something's not right.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2595111]You are of course talking about native Indians right? Or do you mean nut job white folks who are almost all themselves born to immigrant ancestors?[/QUOTE]The people who were here at the founding of the nation and the years afterward who built it from nothing into the world's greatest nation. Long before the age of government gibsmedats and the fraudulent 1965 Immigration Bill when it became a welfare magnet for half the world's shithole grifters.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2595058]Nobody could be as dumb and ignorant as the Biden admin appeared to be during this Afghanistan fiasco. It's obvious that the Biden admin simply didn't care. The only military "operations" Biden cares about are the US tax payer funded sex change operations for trannies in the US military due to one of the many worthless Biden executive orders. Other than that, he'd prefer to be hiding in his basement eating ice cream.

[URL]https://www.worldtribune.com/team-bidens-va-will-pay-for-transgender-veterans-sex-change-operations/[/URL]

Biden's key advisors are on the same page as Biden.[/QUOTE]Care about what? There is nothing in Afghanistan worth caring about. You only care because it is another chapter in the long list of the US military cost ridiculous amounts of money to not achieve much. What have been the military successes since WW2? Grenada? Panama? The only thing the military is really good at is bilking the public for money.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2595243]I'm not sure about that infographics. AP might be indeed a reliable source -- but only when it's not fighting for the Palestinian cause. And I don't know much about Al Jazeera, but don't they refer to Islamic terrorists as martyrs?

OK, let's forget about Israel and the Middle East, but they put Sputnik -- a Kremlin propaganda mouthpiece on the same line as CNN. Murdoch's Fox and NY Post, plus Washington Examiner are somehow above MSNBC (come on, really?). MSNBC, somehow, is found on the same level as another Putin's pet RT, conspiracy monger Zero Hedge and Washington Times.

Nah, something's not right.[/QUOTE]Link from original quote: [URL]https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intro-to-the-media-bias-chart/?fbclid=IwAR0xgUnmJOI4a109rGg9Q06d8_Aj5LiMw0I4WBWfmf4S2yly_6n8p-HHJAQ[/URL].

The only sources from that chart that I use are BBC and Bloomberg, occasionally Forbes but only if another source pointed me there. Any links from the other sources I never click on. I will sometimes but seldom watch an MSNBC investment show but never a news or opinion show.

GQP QAnon and Illuminati conspiracy theories is the "new improved GOP".

[URL]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/matthew-taylor-coleman-charged-killing-kids-qanon-conspiracy_n_61151690e4b07b9118a80f84 [/URL]

QAnon, nut job, Matthew Taylor Coleman, 40, kills his two kids, according to federal officials he confesses, [b]"they were going to grow into monsters so he had to kill them." [/b]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2595236]This is a surprise to no one:

[B]Former Pence aide says Trump and Stephen Miller fought against taking Afghan refugees with racist hysteria.
Olivia Troye slammed previous administrations failure to help allies who were lifelines in Afghanistan[/B]
Aug. 20,2021.
[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-visas-afghan-refugees-troye-b1906190.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Tooms, you should stop blaming prior administrations for what is currently happening today. Even if prior administrations were at fault, are to blame, they created the problem or inherited the problem but didn't resolve it. Everything that happens going forward is the responsibility of the current administration. They will be judged on how they handle solving these problems or making things worse. The pandemic, vaccine decisions and distribution, immigration, the economy, infrastructure bill, social programs and the rest of the budget and many others some new issues. What this administration is doing is what we should be discussing.

The majority agrees that withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan is the right thing to do, however the execution was entirely fucked up. You don't withdraw the soldiers before evacuating the citizens. Then saying oh shit we forget something and have to send more than double the troops that you withdrew in order to do what should have been done in the first place before whithdrawing the troops. This isn't over they still have an opportunity for this to end well by doing what's needed to finish the job. So we shouldn't pass final judgement yet. But if you can't admit that the way the administration executed the withdrawal then you're just a partisan left wing hack that has no credibility.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2595312]Tooms, you should stop blaming prior administrations for what is currently happening today. Even if prior administrations were at fault, are to blame, they created the problem or inherited the problem but didn't resolve it. Everything that happens going forward is the responsibility of the current administration. They will be judged on how they handle solving these problems or making things worse. The pandemic, vaccine decisions and distribution, immigration, the economy, infrastructure bill, social programs and the rest of the budget and many others some new issues. What this administration is doing is what we should be discussing.

The majority agrees that withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan is the right thing to do, however the execution was entirely fucked up. You don't withdraw the soldiers before evacuating the citizens. Then saying oh shit we forget something and have to send more than double the troops that you withdrew in order to do what should have been done in the first place before whithdrawing the troops. This isn't over they still have an opportunity for this to end well by doing what's needed to finish the job. So we shouldn't pass final judgement yet. But if you can't admit that the way the administration executed the withdrawal then you're just a partisan left wing hack that has no credibility.[/QUOTE]Yes, Trump reduced the troop level to that dangerous, unworkable level 5 days before he should have been engaging in a peaceful transition of power to the incoming administration and further fucked up our ability to withdraw from Afghanistan, putting Biden in the position of either having too few boots on the ground to do it or sending thousands more troops in, which he did, giving every war mongering hawk the hope that we'll stay there another 10 years and Trillion dollars because, you know, "victory is right around the corner."

HP, if you're going to insist we ignore the colossal fuck ups of the one side that produces nothing but colossal fuck ups on the economy and national security in some misguided attempt to come off looking fair, balanced, insightful and nuanced, you might as well own up to simply wanting that side to win every close election by hook or by crook so we can have nothing but colossal fuck ups far into the future. That's what an insistence on false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" where none exists produces; election wins for the side that creates colossal fuck ups whenever they are given the chance.

At this point we have eye witness and documented evidence of Trump and his administration purposely laying the groundwork for this event being a colossal fuck up, which is why I posted that report, and zero evidence that was the way Biden and his administration approached it. If you have a report on Biden's intentions regarding the visas and withdrawal that matches the one I posted about Trump and his Team, by all means post it and I will reconsider laying so much blame for this on one side. If you can't, then I guess there is no reason to "spread the blame around" or to focus unrealistically on honest and possibly unavoidable mistakes.

And, no, I am not going to consider posting a photo of a transgender next to a photo of Biden to be a persuasive "Bothsider" argument about this event. Lol. But you apparently saw nothing "partisan hacky with no credibility" about that post.

If anything, it is not nearly the fuck up Team Trump wanted it to be thanks to Biden. You think this was a fiasco under Biden? There is no way it wouldn't have been 1000 times worse if Trump's QAnon loons had actually attended a "reinstatement" inauguration of Traitor Trump on Friday the 13th and he was the lord and savior running the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2595346]Yes, Trump reduced the troop level to that dangerous, unworkable level 5 days before he should have been engaging in a peaceful transition of power to the incoming administration and further fucked up our ability to withdraw from Afghanistan, putting Biden in the position of either having too few boots on the ground to do it or sending thousands more troops in, which he did, giving every war mongering hawk the hope that we'll stay there another 10 years and Trillion dollars because, you know, "victory is right around the corner."

HP, if you're going to insist we ignore the colossal fuck ups of the one side that produces nothing but colossal fuck ups economically and in terms of national security in some misguided attempt to come off looking fair, balanced, insightful and nuanced, you might as well own up to simply wanting that side to win every close election by hook or by crook so we can have nothing but colossal fuck ups far into the future. That's what an insistence on false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" produces; election wins for the side that produces colossal fuck ups whenever they are given the chance.

At this point we have eye witness and documented evidence of Trump and his administration purposely laying the groundwork for this event being a colossal fuck up, which is why I posted that report, and zero evidence that was the way Biden and his administration approached it. If you have a report on Biden's intentions regarding the visas and withdrawal that matches the one I posted about Trump and his Team, by all means post it and I will reconsider laying so much blame for this on one side. If you can't, then I guess there is no reason to "spread the blame around" or to focus unrealistically on honest and possibly unavoidable mistakes.

If anything, it is not nearly the fuck up Team Trump wanted it to be thanks to Biden. You think this was a fiasco under Biden? There is no way it wouldn't have been 1000 times worse if Trump's QAnon loons had actually attended a "reinstatement" inauguration of Traitor Trump on Friday the 13th and he was the lord and savior running the withdrawal from Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]You've got to get over Trump man he's gone. The only thing that matters now is the current administration for the next 3 years and 4 months. I live in Thailand so I don't give a shit who is in power or what happens on a day to day basis in the USA. All I care about is the stock market and my other investments in America. If those stay protected and grow I'll vote for the current administration again. So if all your claims about the great economy under Democratic leadership is true I'll vote for democrats. When I lived and owned a small business in America I did normally vote mostly Republican because I was more aligned with their agenda. I didn't always vote Republican and I didn't vote for Trump, but living in Texas my vote didn't really matter much on National races as the state voted Republican for as long as I can remember.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2595243]I'm not sure about that infographics. AP might be indeed a reliable source -- but only when it's not fighting for the Palestinian cause. And I don't know much about Al Jazeera, but don't they refer to Islamic terrorists as martyrs?

OK, let's forget about Israel and the Middle East, but they put Sputnik -- a Kremlin propaganda mouthpiece on the same line as CNN. Murdoch's Fox and NY Post, plus Washington Examiner are somehow above MSNBC (come on, really?). MSNBC, somehow, is found on the same level as another Putin's pet RT, conspiracy monger Zero Hedge and Washington Times.

Nah, something's not right.[/QUOTE]If you have a problem with how they rated a source, then look at [B]why[/B] they rated it the way they did. They tell you exactly which articles they used, how they rated them and give [B]you[/B] the ability to click on the same article and read it for yourself.

But rating specific sources wasn't the intent of my post in the first place. What I intended was to get people to look at where they get their news from, the relative reliability of that source and what bias that source has. If someone gets all of their news from the National Review (and sources like it) and feels like those sources report a "centrist" view, that person is seriously mistaken.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2595358]You've got to get over Trump man he's gone. The only thing that matters now is the current administration for the next 3 years and 4 months. I live in Thailand so I don't give a shit who is in power or what happens on a day to day basis in the USA. All I care about is the stock market and my other investments in America. If those stay protected and grow I'll vote for the current administration again. So if all your claims about the great economy under Democratic leadership is true I'll vote for democrats. When I lived and owned a small business in America I did normally vote mostly Republican because I was more aligned with their agenda. I didn't always vote Republican and I didn't vote for Trump, but living in Texas my vote didn't really matter much on National races as the state voted Republican for as long as I can remember.[/QUOTE]Well, then this ought to hearten you about Biden:

We're having the best Bull Market Rally under Biden since FDR.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/05/01/992167670/biden-wants-to-go-tough-on-wall-street-the-response-the-best-rally-since-fdr[/URL]

That report was in May. The USA Stock market has continued to climb since then.

Now, if you'd prefer another Bear Market Crash or two along with a perpetual anti-science lunatic-produced virus variant to cripple worldwide economies and international travel for the foreseeable future, our elections are so close a few more false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" assertions about Dems vs Repubs here, there, in the media, the social networks, online, anywhere might do the trick in putting QAnon Repubs in office in California, other states, the House, the Senate and the White House who are exactly the ones to do it.

Florida's Ron DeSantis would be perfect for that goal. Or maybe Trump will run again after State Repubs rig the system and the vote counts so he knows he can't possibly lose again. Either way, any Repub who enters on those terms will be a QAnon Repub Trump Wannabe so-called potus. And they will produce another colossal fuck up of whatever they touch.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2595143]After several months of lies pushing a false narrative, the FBI has now admitted that there was no coordinated, organized plot to overturn the election on January 6.

[URL]https://ricochet.com/1030850/capitol-breach-fbi-has-no-evidence-of-an-insurrection/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/[/URL]

In fact, any coordination that existed was done by FBI agents / informants, who are the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the charging documents (of protesters charged with the terrible crime of "trespassing" Any criminal case on this basis would be forced to reveal the identities of these people. They cannot do that, so they dropped the whole thing.

Another fake news narrative proved false, following on from Trump-Russia, Fentanyl Floyd, covid lockdown hysteria, and many more.

Meanwhile actual news, such as the Hunter Biden laptop detailing both his own crimes (drug abuse, falsely filling out a firearm application, disposing of a firearm in a garbage can) and wider corruption among the Biden crime family (bribes and no-work jobs for Hunter; "10% for The Big Guy") is suppressed.[/QUOTE]The FBI report said the former guy and his merry-misfit-morons didn't "plan" the riot in advance. What it [B]did not say[/B] was that no pre-planning by anybody else took place. It also [B]did not say[/B] that the rioters didn't understand the former guy's code words. After all, virtually every rioter that has been before a judge has used so form of "trump invited us" or "trump told us what to do".

Was there pre-planning? Abso-freakin-lutely. [URL]https://www.thedailybeast.com/dhs-memo-capitol-attackers-plotted-in-advance[/URL].

And please stop with the rightwingnut "unindicted co-conspirator" cockamamie nonsense. Law enforcement agencies do this all the time. Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa / Democrats / other groups you hate?

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2595358]You've got to get over Trump man he's gone. The only thing that matters now is the current administration for the next 3 years and 4 months. I live in Thailand so I don't give a shit who is in power or what happens on a day to day basis in the USA. All I care about is the stock market and my other investments in America. If those stay protected and grow I'll vote for the current administration again. So if all your claims about the great economy under Democratic leadership is true I'll vote for democrats. When I lived and owned a small business in America I did normally vote mostly Republican because I was more aligned with their agenda. I didn't always vote Republican and I didn't vote for Trump, but living in Texas my vote didn't really matter much on National races as the state voted Republican for as long as I can remember.[/QUOTE]These people have Trump Derangement Syndrome. He is in their head 24/7. They can't sleep for thinking about him, their hatred burning as they toss and turn.

As for investments, shutting down the economy for years and printing trillions of dollars of funny money might not be the best way to run an economy.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2595386]Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa?[/QUOTE]This is the problem. BLM / antifa are permitted to burn, loot and destroy cities, causing billions of dollars of damage, attacking federal buildings and trying to burn down police precincts with people inside, and they face no consequences.

Leftwing democrat shithole city mayors refuse to allow the local cops to enforce the law; and on the rare occasion one of them does get arrested, they get sprung on bail immediately and then the far-left Soros-funded democrat the drops all charges.

Compare that to the 6 months and counting of cruel and unusual punishment in solitary confinement for people who committed no acts of violence, didn't burn, loot or attack anyone, but simply trespassed through an open door.

Antifa in particular is a well-funded, well-organised violent domestic terror group which operates across various states, but the FBI and other Washington swamp intelligence agencies refuse to do anything about it and its attacks. Instead, they create fake "plots" such as the Whitmer kidnap hoax, in which the majority of organizers who pushed the plan were feds.

Democrat shithole city cops and the FBI are both massively biased. The only hope that conserative heritage Americans have is to move to a red area of a red state, where the local sheriff is elected and therefore sane. Otherwise the mob will get to you eventually.

No wonder Harris wants to centralise control of all police in a federal system reporting to her. The day that that happens is the day American freedom dies. Conservative patriots must not allow it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2595371]Well, then this ought to hearten you about Biden:

We're having the best Bull Market Rally under Biden since FDR.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/05/01/992167670/biden-wants-to-go-tough-on-wall-street-the-response-the-best-rally-since-fdr[/URL]

That report was in May. The USA Stock market has continued to climb since then.

Now, if you'd prefer another Bear Market Crash or two along with a perpetual anti-science lunatic-produced virus variant to cripple worldwide economies and international travel for the foreseeable future, our elections are so close a few more false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" assertions about Dems vs Repubs here, there, in the media, the social networks, online, anywhere might do the trick in putting QAnon Repubs in office in California, other states, the House, the Senate and the White House who are exactly the ones to do it.

Florida's Ron DeSantis would be perfect for that goal. Or maybe Trump will run again after State Repubs rig the system and the vote counts so he knows he can't possibly lose again. Either way, any Repub who enters on those terms will be a QAnon Repub Trump Wannabe so-called potus. And they will produce another colossal fuck up of whatever they touch.[/QUOTE]This is just a collosal load of fallacious slippery slope, black and white Chicken Little horsehit. Trump exacerbated the pandemic, as he mimimized it for for his political asperations. But it was going to happen on a worldwide scale anyway. You do the leftward side, which is my side, no favors with these shrill gyrations, blaming him for the everything, that any halfway educated person can see through. And no Repulicans aren't to blame for all the recessions which you in your hysterics call "crashes. " That has been proven. Reasonable people just want the truth, which involves finding the strengths in all perspectives, and are tired off the partisan hyperbole. A Chicken Little like you is as much a part of the problem as the Trumpster Chicken Littles. Sad to say.

[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope[/URL]

[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white[/URL]

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2595358]You've got to get over Trump man he's gone. [/QUOTE]Right, if only it were true!

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2595360]If you have a problem with how they rated a source, then look at [B]why[/B] they rated it the way they did. They tell you exactly which articles they used, how they rated them and give [B]you[/B] the ability to click on the same article and read it for yourself.

But rating specific sources wasn't the intent of my post in the first place. What I intended was to get people to look at where they get their news from, the relative reliability of that source and what bias that source has. If someone gets all of their news from the National Review (and sources like it) and feels like those sources report a "centrist" view, that person is seriously mistaken.[/QUOTE]I understand the purpose of that chart and MOSTLY agree with their distribution, but what possessed them to place hired guns like RT and Sputnik on the same level as CNN? And Fox above MSNBC? Of course, MSNBC is far from perfect, but they don't lie habitually like FOX. All I'm saying is that some items in that chart simply undermine their credibility.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2595386]The FBI report said the former guy and his merry-misfit-morons didn't "plan" the riot in advance. What it [B]did not say[/B] was that no pre-planning by anybody else took place. It also [B]did not say[/B] that the rioters didn't understand the former guy's code words. After all, virtually every rioter that has been before a judge has used so form of "trump invited us" or "trump told us what to do".

Was there pre-planning? Abso-freakin-lutely. [URL]https://www.thedailybeast.com/dhs-memo-capitol-attackers-plotted-in-advance[/URL].

And please stop with the rightwingnut "unindicted co-conspirator" cockamamie nonsense. Law enforcement agencies do this all the time. Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa / Democrats / other groups you hate?[/QUOTE]For the life of me, I don't get it how they can keep a straight face while parroting the party lime that Trump didn't incite the riot.

I mean, forget the legalities, but what could "fight like hell" have possibly meant? What else is it? Fight who? Fight how?

The Congress was certifying the election. The only way to fight it was to interrupt that certification.

Fight like hell or you won't have a country, he said.

How else could've they fought if not by stopping the certification? And how could've that been achieved other than by physically being there, inside?

Peaceful demonstration, my ass!

A peaceful demonstration wouldn't have had a chance to stop anything. The certification was in motion.

He said fight like hell, and they did, because fight like hell was exactly what he wanted.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2595724]Right, if only it were true!
...[/QUOTE]Trump has not lost one of those 74,000,000 loony Repub votes. Not even after his January 6 Traitor Trump Insurrection And Attempted Overthrow of American Democracy Violent Cop-Attacking MAGA Rally. If anything, because of it.

If State level Repubs succeed in twisting and rigging the system by 2024 if not by 2022 in a way that every Repub candidate will "win" every election no matter what the actual vote is then Trump will declare his candidacy for 2024.

If not, Trump will most certainly continue to be the lord, savior and king-maker for the Republican Party. EVERY Repub that runs for the office, maybe every office, MUST prove himself/herself as much of a "Trump" as Trump ever was if not worse or there is no chance they will win the nomination in a primary.

LOL. As far as getting over someone who is supposedly done and gone goes, Trump's loony cult followers are still chanting "LOCK HER UP!" at Trump's personal bank account fund-raising rallies. Lol.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2595624]These people have Trump Derangement Syndrome. He is in their head 24/7. They can't sleep for thinking about him, their hatred burning as they toss and turn.

As for investments, shutting down the economy for years and printing trillions of dollars of funny money might not be the best way to run an economy.[/QUOTE]As long as the former guy and the 74 million supporters of the former guy continue to lie and try to rewrite history, people will post facts that counter the lies. It is just that simple. And saying that the 82 million people who voted for Biden have trump derangement syndrome is ludicrous. Look up the definition of "cult" and then you [B]might[/B] understand why we say you have TCS (trump cult syndrome).

On the economic front, I have two (2) easy questions for you. 1. Did the former guy say that the stock market would decline if Biden was elected? 2. Has it? If so, you and he don't know much about the economy.

And by the way, didn't the former guy say that we'd never from him again if he lost? Guess he lied about that, too.

Afghanistan was a war started over Muslims hijacking and flying airliners into NY skyscrapers. Trump and his administration are to be blamed for not letting Afghan Muslims climb into more airliners and fly to the USA? Can't imagine why they wouldn't want more Muslims in airliners flying to the USA. . . Think there is a saying that covers this. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Some people simply can't learn from experience.

In other news: Biden Demands Whoever The President Is Take Full Responsibility For This Mess.

Washington, DC. —In a forceful press conference today, Biden called for whoever the President is to "clean up this mess" in Afghanistan. Quote Listen folks, this is ridiculous! Unquote said President Biden. Who's running this country anyway? I demand accountability! The President must be held responsible for this debacle!

An aide attempted to whisper in his ear that he was the President, but Biden whirled around and punched the aide right in the nose in a flurry of righteous anger. How dare you sneak up on me while I'm holding the President to account! Said Biden. The White House press conference was then abruptly interrupted by the evening call to prayer. . .

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2595236]This is a surprise to no one:

[B]Former Pence aide says Trump and Stephen Miller fought against taking Afghan refugees with racist hysteria.
Olivia Troye slammed previous administrations failure to help allies who were lifelines in Afghanistan[/B]
Aug. 20,2021.
[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-visas-afghan-refugees-troye-b1906190.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2595386]The FBI report said the former guy and his merry-misfit-morons didn't "plan" the riot in advance. What it [B]did not say[/B] was that no pre-planning by anybody else took place. It also [B]did not say[/B] that the rioters didn't understand the former guy's code words. After all, virtually every rioter that has been before a judge has used so form of "trump invited us" or "trump told us what to do".

Was there pre-planning? Abso-freakin-lutely. [URL]https://www.thedailybeast.com/dhs-memo-capitol-attackers-plotted-in-advance[/URL].

And please stop with the rightwingnut "unindicted co-conspirator" cockamamie nonsense. Law enforcement agencies do this all the time. Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa / Democrats / other groups you hate?[/QUOTE]The FBI just said there was no plan. Just some guys who got whipped up into a frenzy by a bunch of federal agents / informants, and the Capitol police. Who were deliberately undermanned on the day, thanks to Pelosi's refusal to allow the requested reinforcements. Stepped aside and let them into the building.

They wandered around aimlessly, shouted a bit, took some selfies, and left.

Unlike in BLM / antifa riots, no fires were started; nothing was vandalised or looted; nobody was killed or injured except Ashli Babbitt.

As for your comment "law enforcement agencies do this all the time" regarding unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators: not in the biggest, most high profile case in decades. And it is not one or two, it is literally dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the heart of the small group that first entered the Capitol.

Who are the unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators? What was their role in organizing the groups who entered the Capitol? Were they working for or with federal or intelligence agencies at the time? The American people need to know, in such a high profile case.

Nobody is in jail on serious charges. The feds have announced that all the "conspiracy", "insurrection" bullshit is being dropped, because it would force them in discovery to identify which of the organisers were federal agents / informants. The answer: most of them.

Just like the "kidnap" case against Gretchen Whitmer aka the Grannyslayer: it turned out that *[B]the majority[/B]* - yes, not one or two, but THE MAJORITY. Of the people involved in that so-called plot were federal agents / informers, including the ones who were pushing it the hardest.

The FBI, which is sadly now a part of the politicised Washington swamp (as we saw from the Strzok / McCabe / Comey fiasco), is scrambling desperately to cover up the fact that it and other intelligence agencies planned the whole Jan 6 charade via dozens of agents / informants who are the unindicted, unnamed co-conspirators. But it is failing to do so.

As I said, all the serious charges have now been dropped; the guys languishing in jail for months are on charges of trespass. Why would the feds scour the country in their biggest operation ever to grab guys on trespass charges, yet allow dozens more to get away scot free?

The only answer is that they can't indict or name those guys, or even proceed in cases against others which would involve those guys, because they were working for the feds. Entrapment much?

So they are forced to admit that there was no plan, no "insurrection", and yet again the fake news narrative collapses. Just as it did with the Trump / Russia Mueller farce, Fentanyl Floyd, the fake Whitmer plot, covid hysteria, and most everything else they report.

The Washington swamp working in conjunction with the very fake news. A truly repulsive spectacle. The sooner we are out of it one way or another, the better.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2595811]The FBI just said there was no plan. Just some guys who got whipped up into a frenzy by a bunch of federal agents / informants, and the Capitol police. Who were deliberately undermanned on the day, thanks to Pelosi's refusal to allow the requested reinforcements. Stepped aside and let them into the building.

They wandered around aimlessly, shouted a bit, took some selfies, and left.

Unlike in BLM / antifa riots, no fires were started; nothing was vandalised or looted; nobody was killed or injured except Ashli Babbitt.

As for your comment "law enforcement agencies do this all the time" regarding unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators: not in the biggest, most high profile case in decades. And it is not one or two, it is literally dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the heart of the small group that first entered the Capitol.

Who are the unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators? What was their role in organizing the groups who entered the Capitol? Were they working for or with federal or intelligence agencies at the time? The American people need to know, in such a high profile case.

Nobody is in jail on serious charges. The feds have announced that all the "conspiracy", "insurrection" bullshit is being dropped, because it would force them in discovery to identify which of the organisers were federal agents / informants. The answer: most of them..[/QUOTE]The January 6th insurrection wasn't a tourist visit, an aimless stroll or anything else.

Trumpers understand absolutely nothing about policing, especially under cover operations. You only understand policing when they are thumping the skulls of people you hate.

The only people who don't understand what I just wrote are looking at the world with their heads somewhere else.

[QUOTE=Travv;2595797]Afghanistan was a war started over Muslims hijacking and flying airliners into NY skyscrapers. Trump and his administration are to be blamed for not letting Afghan Muslims climb into more airliners and fly to the USA? Can't imagine why they wouldn't want more Muslims in airliners flying to the USA. . . Think there is a saying that covers this. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Some people simply can't learn from experience.

In other news: Biden Demands Whoever The President Is Take Full Responsibility For This Mess.

Washington, DC. In a forceful press conference today, Biden called for whoever the President is to "clean up this mess" in Afghanistan. Quote Listen folks, this is ridiculous! Unquote said President Biden. Who's running this country anyway? I demand accountability! The President must be held responsible for this debacle!

An aide attempted to whisper in his ear that he was the President, but Biden whirled around and punched the aide right in the nose in a flurry of righteous anger. How dare you sneak up on me while I'm holding the President to account! Said Biden. The White House press conference was then abruptly interrupted by the evening call to prayer. . .[/QUOTE]Why not read the text of the former guy's "surrender agreement" with the Taliban. [URL]https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf[/URL].

Once you've read it, please point me to the section that forbade the Taliban from acquiring additional territory until after the Americans withdrew. Who knows, maybe I missed that part. Geez, even Neville Chamberlain negotiated better than that! [URL]https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/chamberlain-and-hitler/[/URL].

The simple facts are that trump got played by the Taliban.

[QUOTE=Travv;2595797]Afghanistan was a war started over Muslims hijacking and flying airliners into NY skyscrapers. Trump and his administration are to be blamed for not letting Afghan Muslims climb into more airliners and fly to the USA? [/QUOTE]Interesting choice of words.

I thought the war started over Islamic terrorists directed by Osama Bin Laden to hijack and fly airliners into NY skyscrapers.

I had no idea that it was a religious crusade against Muslims. Thank you for enlightening me.

Now allow me to return the favor.

The 9/11 hijackers were from Sadi Arabia, Emirates and Egypt. There weren't a single "Afghan Muslim" among them. Most were Saudis.

If your idea of fighting Islamic fundamentalists is to ban Muslims from flying to the USA, you should start from Saudi Muslims and, well, best of luck!

Let us all know how it goes.

Tell me Chris, how much does it cost to attend the Kelly Ann Conway school of alternate facts?

[QUOTE=Travv;2595797]Afghanistan was a war started over Muslims hijacking and flying airliners into NY skyscrapers. Trump and his administration are to be blamed for not letting Afghan Muslims climb into more airliners and fly to the USA? Can't imagine why they wouldn't want more Muslims in airliners flying to the USA. . . Think there is a saying that covers this. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Some people simply can't learn from experience.

In other news: Biden Demands Whoever The President Is Take Full Responsibility For This Mess.

Washington, DC. In a forceful press conference today, Biden called for whoever the President is to "clean up this mess" in Afghanistan. Quote Listen folks, this is ridiculous! Unquote said President Biden. Who's running this country anyway? I demand accountability! The President must be held responsible for this debacle!

An aide attempted to whisper in his ear that he was the President, but Biden whirled around and punched the aide right in the nose in a flurry of righteous anger. How dare you sneak up on me while I'm holding the President to account! Said Biden. The White House press conference was then abruptly interrupted by the evening call to prayer. . .[/QUOTE]The former guy left our entire immigration process, illegal and legal, and border control system gutted. Particularly with regard to refugees and asylum seekers and particularly regarding Muslims from Muslim countries. The backlog of requests, many no doubt legitimate, had skyrocketed to at least a million by January while most of the rats in the former guy's administration had long scurried off that sinking ship and there was no Peaceful Transition of Power in sight.

The violent Anti-America mob-leading deadbeat former guy left virtually everything in a sabotaged, scorched earth shambles that had to be rebuilt from the ground up.

And in the case of Afghans who worked for our side at a time of war whose visa requests from years prior had not even been looked at by the former guy's Team, now we know likely for ordinary racist reasons, those had to be vetted to make sure they really are on our side and not double agents putting in a few years and giving us false information all that time anyway. Which takes time and manpower, neither of which was applied to it by the former guy until the huge pile of crap the former guy produced and left behind was dumped at the feet of the incoming administration...while hundreds of thousands of our citizens were dying thanks to the cowardice and lies of the former guy and his middling economy at best was predictably crashing around our ears by then.

Let's just say ignoring what the former guy and his Team did to put us where we are and how many fires had to be put out by NO firefighters from his side for years much less at the transition is ridiculous.

This isn't like Reagan after Carter, Bush2 after Clinton or Trump after Obama where the incoming administration was sitting pretty for months coasting along on a path of Peace and Prosperity they inherited until they finally decided to stop riding ponies and playing golf and did something stupid to create their usual colossal Repub fuck ups.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2595887]The January 6th insurrection....[/QUOTE]You can blabber on all you want but the FBI just said categorically it was not an "insurrection". There was no plan to overthrow anything. Nobody is getting charged with such.

Now, who are the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators? What was their role in organizing the Capitol breach? How many of them were working with / for the feds when they did so?

These are the questions that need to be answered. By announcing their stand-down from the fake insurrection narrative, the FBI is trying very hard to ensure that they will not be answered. They are attempting to avoid court cases in which discovery reveals that most of the organisers were feds.

That is what has already happened in the fake Gretchen Whitmer kidnap "plot", in which discovery revealed that the majority (yes, you read that right, the majority) of so-called "plotters" were in fact feds. Including the main organisers who were pushing the others. Clear entrapment, for political reasons.

At this point, given the Comey / McCabe / Strzok political scandals; the fake patsy attempts to frame rightwingers over Whitmer and Jan 6; the persecution of figures like Roger Stone and Paul Manafort while Crooked Hillary Clinton and the Podestas are allowed to skate for far worse crimes; and the complete failure to investigate the antifa organisation which has destroyed cities and caused billions of dollars of damage, the FBI must be considered nothing more than a part of the Washington deep state swamp, politicised beyond redemption.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2595943]Tell me Chris, how much does it costblabla[/QUOTE]How many law enforcement officers or Congress members were killed or significantly injured on Jan 6?

How many fires were started in the Capitol?

How many firearms were found on protesters?

How many millions of dollars of damage was done?

How many governments were overthrown?

(I'll give you a clue: the answer to all the questions is the same number).

The insurrectionists are getting charged with what they are getting charged with. They are damed lucky that the feds don't give them the traitor's punishment.

Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that law enforcement officers cannot be "unindicted co-conspirators" in the insurrection. That's because, legally, "The elements of the crime of conspiracy include the specific intent to commit the target crime. The FBI informant or agent would not have that intent. " The last was a quote from a lawyer. He knows more than all of Fux "News" combined. And certainly more than you. [URL]https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jun/18/why-new-false-flag-conspiracy-theory-fbi-orchestra/[/URL].

See how easy it is to blow arguments out of the water?

And, the exact same rationale applies to your Whitmer argument. But there's more: [URL]https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/07/14/what-gretchen-whitmer-kidnap-suspects-dont-want-jurors-hear/7954135002/[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2595991]How many law enforcement officers or Congress members were killed or significantly injured on Jan 6?

How many fires were started in the Capitol?

How many firearms were found on protesters?

How many millions of dollars of damage was done?

How many governments were overthrown?

(I'll give you a clue: the answer to all the questions is the same number).[/QUOTE][B]"How many law enforcement officers or Congress members were killed or significantly injured on Jan 6?"[/B]

About 100 LEO's. At least 4 by suicide. [URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/09/greg-kelly/newsmax-host-falsely-claims-only-one-person-died-c/[/URL] Quote from the previous article: "Two other law enforcement officers who were present at the Capitol have since died by suicide, and more than 100 officers were injured."

Why don't trumpers care about the LEOs? Evidently "back the blue" only occurs when police are thumping black skulls.

[B]"How many millions of dollars of damage was done?"[/B]

Every competent lawyer in the world (which eliminates trump's merry-morons) knows that you never ask a question unless you know the answer. A cardinal rule that you forgot. The "innocent tourists" caused at least $30 million in damages.

But you'll of course blame both the source (because Fux "News said they caused no damage) and the accuracy of the Capitol Architect (because he's just an architect). [URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/02/24/970977612/architect-of-the-capitol-outlines-30-million-in-damages-from-pro-trump-riot[/URL].

From the article above: "The cost of repairing damages from the attack on the USA Capitol and related security expenses have already topped $30 million and will keep rising, Architect of the Capitol J. Brett Blanton told lawmakers on Wednesday.

The events of Jan. 6, he said, were "difficult for the American people and extremely hard for all of us on campus to witness."

Blanton said that congressional appropriations committees have already approved a transfer request of $30 million to pay for expenses and extend a temporary perimeter fencing contract through March 31.

But more money will be needed, he added: "History teaches us that project costs for replacements and repairs beyond in-kind improvements across campus will be considerable and beyond the scope of the current budgetary environment."

The price tag will go even higher, Blanton told lawmakers on the House Appropriations Committee, if the fence and other security measures are needed beyond March.

In his prepared testimony, Blanton described how his employees tried to minimize the threat to the Capitol and lawmakers on Jan. 6, when thousands of former President Donald Trump's supporters breached security perimeters at the Capitol grounds. Many of them then engaged in a pitched battle with police and security personnel.

"{Architect of the Capitol} employees sheltered congressional staff in their shops to protect them from the roving mob," Blanton said, adding, "Other members of our team raced to the roof to reverse the airflows within the building to help clear the air of chemical irritants, like bear repellents and pepper spray, while more team members rushed bottles of water and eyewash stations to Capitol Police officers in need of assistance. ".

When the mob thronged the Capitol, the Architect of the Capitol's painters and artisans were laboring to complete the massive task of readying the campus to host a presidential inauguration.

"Over the course of a couple of hours, the hard work of our team was destroyed," Blanton said.

"The {inauguration} platform was wrecked. There was broken glass and other debris. Sound systems and photography equipment was damaged beyond repair or stolen. Two historic Olmsted lanterns were ripped from the ground, and the wet blue paint was tracked all over the historic stone balustrades and Capitol building hallways."

In the Capitol building complex, historical statues, murals and furniture were damaged, mainly from pepper spray accretions and residue from chemical irritants and fire extinguishers, requiring expert cleaning and conservation. Work crews covered gaping holes with plywood and cleared "a small mountain of debris left behind on the west and east fronts," Blanton said.

Blanton also said many lawmakers have asked his office about preserving mementos from the unprecedented violence wrought by USA Citizens on their own Capitol. While most damaged items had to be removed because of safety concerns, he said his staff preserved the panels of the historical Columbus Doors on the east front "for a potential presentation or display."

The brief insurrection brought catastrophe to what had already been a very busy tenure for Blanton, who was sworn in to his job in January 2020. Since then, the Capitol has hosted three lying-in-state or in-honor ceremonies, including for USA Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick, who died after being injured in the riot.

The high-profile events have come as Blanton and his staff have worked to mitigate coronavirus risks through enhanced cleaning practices and providing protective equipment.

On Wednesday, Blanton said many people on his staff have not yet been vaccinated, despite continuing to work at the Capitol campus — work that has included the intense effort to repair damage from the riot and hold an inauguration.

"In fact, we've had a small distribution of COVID vaccines for my staff," Blanton said, replying to a question about the staff's health. He added that the group is following the safety protocols that were laid out when the coronavirus pandemic began last year.

Blanton also addressed the security failures that contributed to the USA Capitol being occupied by an angry mob that sought to block the certification of then-President-elect Joe Biden's victory over Trump.

"The events of January 6 were stark reminders that institutional biases, priorities and actions taken out of sync with actionable data resulted in poor decisions," he said. "If we do not learn from these mistakes, the campus will continue to remain vulnerable to unknown and unexpected threats."

Blanton also asked the committee for help in securing additional funds for a campuswide security assessment to prevent similar events in the future and to protect the Capitol and the people who work there."

But keep on believing in fairy tales. It suits you.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2595988]You can blabber on all you want but the FBI just said categorically it was not an "insurrection". There was no plan to overthrow anything. Nobody is getting charged with such.

Now, who are the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators? What was their role in organizing the Capitol breach? How many of them were working with / for the feds when they did so?

These are the questions that need to be answered. By announcing their stand-down from the fake insurrection narrative, the FBI is trying very hard to ensure that they will not be answered. They are attempting to avoid court cases in which discovery reveals that most of the organisers were feds.

That is what has already happened in the fake Gretchen Whitmer kidnap "plot", in which discovery revealed that the majority (yes, you read that right, the majority) of so-called "plotters" were in fact feds. Including the main organisers who were pushing the others. Clear entrapment, for political reasons.

At this point, given the Comey / McCabe / Strzok political scandals; the fake patsy attempts to frame rightwingers over Whitmer and Jan 6; the persecution of figures like Roger Stone and Paul Manafort while Crooked Hillary Clinton and the Podestas are allowed to skate for far worse crimes; and the complete failure to investigate the antifa organisation which has destroyed cities and caused billions of dollars of damage, the FBI must be considered nothing more than a part of the Washington deep state swamp, politicised beyond redemption.[/QUOTE]The insurrectionists are getting charged with what they are getting charged with. They are damed lucky that the feds don't give them the traitor's punishment.

Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that law enforcement officers cannot be "unindicted co-conspirators" in the insurrection. That's because, legally, "The elements of the crime of conspiracy include the specific intent to commit the target crime. The FBI informant or agent would not have that intent. " The last was a quote from a lawyer. He knows more than all of Fux "News" combined. And certainly more than you. [URL]https://www.politifact.com/article/2...fbi-orchestra/.[/URL].

See how easy it is to blow arguments out of the water?

And, the exact same rationale applies to your Whitmer argument. But there's more: [URL]https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...ar/7954135002/.[/URL].

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2595939]Interesting choice of words.

I thought the war started over Islamic terrorists directed by Osama Bin Laden to hijack and fly airliners into NY skyscrapers.

I had no idea that it was a religious crusade against Muslims. Thank you for enlightening me.

Now allow me to return the favor.

The 9/11 hijackers were from Sadi Arabia, Emirates and Egypt. There weren't a single "Afghan Muslim" among them. Most were Saudis.

If your idea of fighting Islamic fundamentalists is to ban Muslims from flying to the USA, you should start from Saudi Muslims and, well, best of luck!

Let us all know how it goes.[/QUOTE]Its amazing all these warmongers who talk incessantly about Iran and terrorists etc ignore the fact that it was Saudis that financed and orchestrated and mostly participated in 911, it is Saudis that predominately fund ISIS and Al Queda, it is Saudis who funded Saddam until he lost the war, it is Saudis who fund the extremist IMAMs who preach and recruit terrorists. Yet the US sanctions, invades, and harasses every Muslim nation except Saudi and her allies.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2596312][B]"How many law enforcement officers or Congress members were killed or significantly injured on Jan 6?"[/B]

About 100 LEO's. At least 4 by suicide.[/QUOTE]What? You've really gone off your rocker now. No LEO was killed or significantly injured. If someone killed himself a few days afterward, perhaps it was because he couldn't live with being part of the fake news Washington swamp fraudulent narrative against the American people.

As for your $30 m "damage costs" for a couple of broken windows and someone trailing paint across the floor? Haha! That's right, he actually mentioned someone trailing paint across the floor. LOL.

If you're wondering what a real attack on the Capitol looks like, it is in fact the 50th anniversary of the Weather Underground's bombing of the building. Yes, a violent communist terrorist group actually set off a bomb in the Capitol.

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/28/when-the-left-attacked-the-capitol-471270[/URL]

Oh, and then 12 years later, another violent communist terrorist group did the same thing:

[URL]https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1980s-far-left-female-led-domestic-terrorism-group-bombed-us-capitol-180973904/[/URL]

Isn't it incredible that far-left terrorists literally exploded bombs in the Capitol twice within the last 50 years but these acts have been memoryholed and are never mentioned by the media?

And yet they can't and won't shut up about some unarmed people walking through open doors, hurting nobody and doing no damage, after the police stood aside and let them in. Almost as if the fake news media and Washington swamp are complicit in pushing bolshevism on America.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2596367]The insurrectionists are getting charged with what they are getting charged with. They are damed lucky that the feds don't give them the traitor's punishment.

Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that law enforcement officers cannot be "unindicted co-conspirators" in the insurrection. That's because, legally, "The elements of the crime of conspiracy include the specific intent to commit the target crime. The FBI informant or agent would not have that intent. " The last was a quote from a lawyer. He knows more than all of Fux "News" combined. And certainly more than you. [URL]https://www.politifact.com/article/2...fbi-orchestra/.[/URL].

See how easy it is to blow arguments out of the water?

And, the exact same rationale applies to your Whitmer argument. But there's more: [URL]https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...ar/7954135002/.[/URL].[/QUOTE]Do you even understand what entrapment means?

Your argument is that because the feds didn't actually intend to kidnap Whitmer, the fact that they organised, encouraged, led and paid for the alleged plan means that it had nothing to do with them. It is absolutely ridiculous.

[URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/563902-men-accused-of-whitmer-kidnapping-plot-say-fbi-set-them-up-report[/URL]

"There were at least 12 FBI informants involved in the investigation into the group for months while they were allegedly planning to kidnap the governor.

The FBI's involvement was much bigger than previously known, as the agency was involved when the plot began and had informants allegedly encouraging the group to further its plans, BuzzFeed News reported.

An Iraq War veteran informant rose to second in command of the group and paid for travel for members of the kidnapping plot to meet together. He also told members to work together and helped the person in charge advance the plan.

So far, one defendant has accused the agency of entrapment, claiming the informants encouraged the group and even led military-style trainings for the plot. "

The feds organised, ran, funded and planned the entire thing! They were just looking for a couple of goofy patsies to set up in order to pretend there was some "right-wing conspiracy". There was no conspiracy or plan. It wouldn't have happened without the feds pushing it.

The feds are working hand in hand with the fake news and the democrat / RINO Washington establishment. The plan was to make the fake charges stick, have the fake news go into meltdown, then have the dems and RINOs unleash the PATRIOT act / anti-terror apparatus on heritage American population.

Fortunately we still have some semblance of a justice system in which discovery forces the feds to reveal their dubious and illegal methods. No doubt Heels Up Harris and the rest of the anti-American bolsheviks will be trying to change this by packing the Supreme Court and gutting the Constitution.

That is why the "insurrectionists" (LOL) are not being charged with anything of the sort. They are not "damned lucky" about anything. The feds would love to persecute them.

But they cannot, because to do so they would need to release details of the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators who, as in the Whitmer case, were undercover feds who actually organised and ran the whole thing. So they are in jail for ridiculous misdemeanour trespass charges.

Meanwhile, actual terrorism has been occurring nightly in cities across America as violent organised communist gangs caused billions of dollars of damage, attacked federal buildings and law enforcement, took over large areas and rendered them lawless. And yet the feds don't lift a finger to do anything about it.

The FBI is no longer fit for purpose. It is politically compromised and must be replaced.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2595953]The former guy left our entire immigration process, illegal and legal, and border control system gutted.[/QUOTE]Statements like the above are so false they remind me of Orwell's "2 + 2 = 5". Party faithful become so brainwashed that they don't just say the lie, they end up believing it.

Trump had massively reduced the number of illegal entries by doing a deal with Mexico whereby the illegals were kept there. Mexico were playing ball.

We can see this by the relative figures: this time last year there were 40,000 illegal entries a month; now under Biden's handlers there are 220,000. Those are the cold, hard facts, and no amount of fake news spinning can change them.

For someone to claim that the immigration process now, with a quarter of a million illegals pouring in a month, is better than it was last year with 40,000 a month, is so far beyond the bounds of evidence, fact and reason as to become a kind of magical fairytale thinking.

No wonder it comes from the same people who tell us that a man can become a woman by putting on a wig and a dress.

Following on from Nancy Pelosi's infamous maskless trip to the salon after shutting them down for the ordinary plebs, she's at it again.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/08/22/video-shows-hoards-of-maskless-people-at-pelosi-fundraiser/[/URL]

A huge number of wealthy, maskless people packed closely together at a democrat fundraiser.

Note that Pelosi is 81 and many of the guests are also old. According to their wisdom, they are the most vulnerable to covid and should be cowering at home triple-masked to save their lives. And yet there they all are, maskless and not social distancing.

Of course, the servants were forced to wear masks, but none of the democrat bigwigs. That is how they view regular American people. Servants to be masked, vaxxed and chipped like cattle, while they exist above the petty rules they enforce on the rest of us.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2597053]Statements like the above are so false they remind me of Orwell's "2 + 2 = 5". Party faithful become so brainwashed that they don't just say the lie, they end up believing it.

Trump had massively reduced the number of illegal entries by doing a deal with Mexico whereby the illegals were kept there. Mexico were playing ball.

We can see this by the relative figures: this time last year there were 40,000 illegal entries a month; now under Biden's handlers there are 220,000. Those are the cold, hard facts, and no amount of fake news spinning can change them.

For someone to claim that the immigration process now, with a quarter of a million illegals pouring in a month, is better than it was last year with 40,000 a month, is so far beyond the bounds of evidence, fact and reason as to become a kind of magical fairytale thinking.

No wonder it comes from the same people who tell us that a man can become a woman by putting on a wig and a dress.[/QUOTE]

Nope. 2 + 2 still = 4

[B]Trumps Overhaul of Immigration Is Worse Than You Think.
This administration has attacked every aspect of the immigration system and it wont be easy to undo.[/B]
Oct. 10, 2020
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/10/opinion/sunday/trump-immigration-child-separations.html[/URL]

[B]Trump's policies have left U.S. immigration courts in shambles, says immigration reporter.
'It really is on the brink of collapse,' says the Marshall Project's Julia Preston[/B]
July 20, 2019
[URL]https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/u-s-immigration-courts-the-lion-king-a-post-brexit-video-game-johnny-clegg-development-on-the-moon-more-1.5217090/trump-s-policies-have-left-u-s-immigration-courts-in-shambles-says-immigration-reporter-1.5217096[/URL]

[B]One Way Trump May Have Changed Immigration Forever.
For decades, U.S. presidents have managed a delicate consensus on taking in refugees. Trump blew it up.[/B]
3/2/2021
[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/03/02/biden-immigration-trump-legacy-asylum-refugees-472008[/URL]

[B]DHS Secretary Says Trump To Blame For Bidens Border Crisis. Heres Why.[/B]
3/21/2020
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/03/21/dhs-secretary-says-trump-to-blame-for-bidens-border-crisis-heres-why/[/URL]

[B]Why Trumps Immigration Policies Will Be So Hard to Undo.
The presidents ethnonationalist agenda could take years to unwind, but the families targeted by it dont have that long[/B]
Oct. 10, 2020
[URL]https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/immigration-policy-changes-under-trump-1073343/[/URL]

[B]Trump 'gutted' immigration system, says Homeland Security Secretary[/B]
Mar. 2, 2021
[URL]https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/trump-gutted-immigration-system-says-homeland-security-secretary-121030200128_1.html[/URL]

[B]A former Pence adviser said Trump had 4 years to help Afghan allies leave the country but Stephen Miller's 'racist hysteria' blocked it from happening[/B]
Aug. 21, 2021
[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/stephen-miller-racist-hysteria-blocked-help-afghans-ex-pence-adviser-2021-8[/URL]

[b]Unaccompanied Minors Surge at Border Began in September, Well Before Biden Took Office[/b]
3/25/2021
https://www.newsweek.com/unaccompanied-minors-surge-began-after-judge-revoked-trumps-pandemic-travel-ban-november-1578847

It was inevitable that Trump's mismanagement and incompetence would trigger a record high number of illegal crossings starting during his so-called presidency. As you see in the link above, he started it by at least last September, months before Biden crushed him with a landslide victory in a free and fair election where the only evidence of widespread election fraud was among Republicans. As usual.

Trump broke records on illegal border crossings since the previous Republican was potus all through his presidency. Note the date below...

[b]Border crossings by undocumented migrants in March hit 12-year high.
Officials said crossings by families hit record highs. More than 53,000 people traveling as part of families were apprehended, up from 36,000 in February.[/b]
April 9, 2019
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/border-crossings-undocumented-migrants-march-hit-12-year-high-n992611

IMHO, this is a much better economic legislation result than flushing Trillion$ down the shitter on another failed Supply-Side/Trickle-Down tax cut for top income margins and corporations that, predictably, produced zero noticeable increase in GDP Growth, created FEWER USA jobs in the years after it was passed than in the years before it was passed and sat there slack-jawed stupid useless to prevent or mitigate the inevitable Great Republican Crash, Recession and Massive Job Destruction in the Millions that followed.

Cue the typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media to assert over and over again before the next elections that "Republicans are better at handling the economy than Democrats!" Lol.

[B]Child tax credit lifted 3 million kids from poverty in July[/B]
Aug. 26, 2021
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/25/child-tax-credit-lifted-3-million-kids-from-poverty-in-july.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]The first monthly payment of the child tax credit lifted households with 3 million kids out of poverty in July, according to a Columbia University analysis.

That represents a 25% cut in the child poverty rate, according to the paper.

The rate will likely fall further, but depend on the success of outreach efforts to lower-income parents who dont typically file a tax return.[/QUOTE]More to come..

[QUOTE=GDreams;2596499]Its amazing all these warmongers who talk incessantly about Iran and terrorists etc ignore the fact that it was Saudis that financed and orchestrated and mostly participated in 911, it is Saudis that predominately fund ISIS and Al Queda, it is Saudis who funded Saddam until he lost the war, it is Saudis who fund the extremist IMAMs who preach and recruit terrorists. Yet the US sanctions, invades, and harasses every Muslim nation except Saudi and her allies.[/QUOTE]That's because there is a deep spiritual connection.

Plus, they have $110 billion to buy our weapons, but that's probably nothing, I'm sure.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2597236]Nope. 2 + 2 still = 4

[B]Trumps Overhaul of Immigration Is Worse Than You Think.
This administration has attacked every aspect of the immigration system and it wont be easy to undo.[/B]
[/QUOTE]You think that's a bad thing? LOL. We don't want an immigration system, because we don't want immigration. Trump was building a wall to keep illegals physically out, and for the ones that managed to get through he made a deal to send them back to Mexico. He also slashed legal immigration, blocking immigrants who would be a public charge, which most of them are.

America's greatest years were in the middle of the 20th Century. We had massive growth, innovation, projected hard and soft power, became the world's biggest superpower, and Americans were unified, optimistic and confident that their kids would live better lives than they had. These were also the years in which we had no immigration. That is not a coincidence.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2597045]What? You've really gone off your rocker now. No LEO was killed or significantly injured. If someone killed himself a few days afterward, perhaps it was because he couldn't live with being part of the fake news Washington swamp fraudulent narrative against the American people.

As for your $30 m "damage costs" for a couple of broken windows and someone trailing paint across the floor? Haha! That's right, he actually mentioned someone trailing paint across the floor. LOL.

If you're wondering what a real attack on the Capitol looks like, it is in fact the 50th anniversary of the Weather Underground's bombing of the building. Yes, a violent communist terrorist group actually set off a bomb in the Capitol.

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/28/when-the-left-attacked-the-capitol-471270[/URL]

Oh, and then 12 years later, another violent communist terrorist group did the same thing:

[URL]https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1980s-far-left-female-led-domestic-terrorism-group-bombed-us-capitol-180973904/[/URL]

Isn't it incredible that far-left terrorists literally exploded bombs in the Capitol twice within the last 50 years but these acts have been memoryholed and are never mentioned by the media?[/QUOTE]Can anyone please explain Parteigenosse ChrisP what logical fallacy is?

First of all, the Jan 6 ultra-right rioters injured 150 police officers, at least 17 of them seriously.

Contrary to those "tourists", the leftist terrorists in the 70's not only blew their bombs at night, but also called to evacuate the building to make sure no one gets hurt.

Even if "No LEO was killed or significantly injured" (a damn lie), then what's your problem with 2 left terrorist pussies who didn't kill or injured anyone at all?

Take Timothy McWeigh.

That nutso killed almost 200 people including kids. That's a real ultra-right terrorist for you. One hell of a body count.

So maybe you're right. Maybe we should be grateful to Capitol "tourists" that they didn't kill more people.

75% of domestic terrorism comes from the ultra-right.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2597322]Can anyone please explain Parteigenosse ChrisP what logical fallacy is?

First of all, the Jan 6 ultra-right rioters injured 150 police officers, at least 17 of them seriously.

Contrary to those "tourists", the leftist terrorists in the 70's not only blew their bombs at night, but also called to evacuate the building to make sure no one gets hurt.

Even if "No LEO was killed or significantly injured" (a damn lie), then what's your problem with 2 left terrorist pussies who didn't kill or injured anyone at all?

Take Timothy McWeigh.

That nutso killed almost 200 people including kids. That's a real ultra-right terrorist for you. One hell of a body count.

So maybe you're right. Maybe we should be grateful to Capitol "tourists" that they didn't kill more people.

75% of domestic terrorism comes from the ultra-right.[/QUOTE]Yes, all of us can and have explained these things. The problem is Wingers LOVE not to know anything true. So even if it does sink in they will pretend it didn't. LOL.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2597318]You think that's a bad thing? LOL. We don't want an immigration system, because we don't want immigration. Trump was building a wall to keep illegals physically out, and for the ones that managed to get through he made a deal to send them back to Mexico. He also slashed legal immigration, blocking immigrants who would be a public charge, which most of them are.

America's greatest years were in the middle of the 20th Century. We had massive growth, innovation, projected hard and soft power, became the world's biggest superpower, and Americans were unified, optimistic and confident that their kids would live better lives than they had. These were also the years in which we had no immigration. That is not a coincidence.[/QUOTE]As long as you, Trump and Miller lump legal Immigration in with illegal immigration as a plague on the country of immigrants, USA, I will agree with you that America would be much, much better off today if we had at least been more selective about preventing certain immigrations.

Among them, the parentage of...

[B]Immigrant bashers among the 6 sons of immigrants running for president[/B]
July 25,2015.
[URL]https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-06-25/immigrant-roots-link-six-2016-candidates[/URL]
[quote][B]Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Rick Santorum
Donald Trump[/B][/quote]

Yep, most of those were mid-20th Century immigrations, including Trump's mother, the era you said we had "no mmigration."

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2597322]Can anyone please explain Parteigenosse ChrisP what logical fallacy is?

First of all, the Jan 6 ultra-right rioters injured 150 police officers, at least 17 of them seriously.

Contrary to those "tourists", the leftist terrorists in the 70's not only blew their bombs at night, but also called to evacuate the building to make sure no one gets hurt.

Even if "No LEO was killed or significantly injured" (a damn lie), then what's your problem with 2 left terrorist pussies who didn't kill or injured anyone at all?

75% of domestic terrorism comes from the ultra-right.[/QUOTE]Ah, they phoned up a few minutes before they blew up the Capitol, so that makes it okay. Gotcha. A "mostly peaceful bombing", as CNN would say.

No LEO was killed or significantly injured during Jan 6. Not a single protester was found in possession of a firearm. Virtually zero damage was done to the building (some other leftist wacko on here was actually reduced to complaining that someone spilled some paint on the floor. LOL).

As for your fake stat on right-wing domestic terrorism, that is false on its face from the events of the previous year and a half. There have been thousands of acts of violent terrorism carried out by antifa / BLM communists, which have caused several billion dollars in damage.

But of course the politically biased Washington establishment supports that kind of violence, so they don't count it as terrorism despite the fact it involves attacks on and attempts to burn down federal buildings and police precincts (with occupants still inside) and destruction of entire city blocks; as well as the creation of lawless zones in cities.

Instead of doing anything about that, the Washington establishment sends its feds to find a couple of doofuses, and entraps them into saying they are going to do something they would never have done on their own without the encouragement, funding, organization, and whipping up of the feds.

This is exactly what happened in the fake Whitmer kidnap case, where discovery has revealed that [B]*the majority*[/B] of the so-called plotters were working with or for the feds, including leaders who planned and paid for everything. And again in the Jan 6 hoax, where the feds have dropped all but the most basic BS trespass charges because anything more serious would have forced them to unmask the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators who were working for them.

P.S. Fun fact point about the 1971 bombing: it was carried out by the Weather Underground far-left terror group. This was run by Bill Ayers, who would go on to become the mentor and inspiration to another America-hating communist: Barack Hussein Obama.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2597054]Following on from Nancy Pelosi's infamous maskless trip to the salon after shutting them down for the ordinary plebs, she's at it again.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/08/22/video-shows-hoards-of-maskless-people-at-pelosi-fundraiser/[/URL]

A huge number of wealthy, maskless people packed closely together at a democrat fundraiser.

Note that Pelosi is 81 and many of the guests are also old. According to their wisdom, they are the most vulnerable to covid and should be cowering at home triple-masked to save their lives. And yet there they all are, maskless and not social distancing.

Of course, the servants were forced to wear masks, but none of the democrat bigwigs. That is how they view regular American people. Servants to be masked, vaxxed and chipped like cattle, while they exist above the petty rules they enforce on the rest of us.[/QUOTE]The QOP is now accusing Pelosi and elderly Democrats of [B]following CDC mask guidelines[/B].

What, I ask, could be more ludicrous? The video is question shows maskless people eating outside. These actions are well within current CDC guidelines. Add to it the high likelihood that all of the participants were fully vaccinated and you have "much ado about nothing". [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2597448]Ah, they phoned up a few minutes before they blew up the Capitol, so that makes it okay. Gotcha. A "mostly peaceful bombing", as CNN would say.[/QUOTE]Who's saying about anything making it OK? Not me, not everyone here.

But if the glove fits.

Those left-wing terrorists blowing a Capitol building at night after calling beforehand to evacuate whoever might've been still there didn't hurt or kill any soul.

Unlike January 6 "tourists" who injured 150 people and caused several suicides.

You can of course parrot your party line until you're blue in the face (already are, probably), but you don't get to choose the facts. In a wonderful world of domestic terrorism, ultra-right extremists are infinitely more dangerous. They are the ones who go straight for the body count rather than political statement.

Does it make OK whatever left extremists are doing (what are they doing, BTW)? Don't be an idiot.

But the FBI and DHS specifically highlighted that the real danger is coming from the ultra-right.

Just the facts.

[QUOTE]In its Homeland Threat Assessment released in October 2020, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security concluded that racially and ethnically motivated violent extremistsspecifically white supremacist extremists (WSEs)will remain the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2597318]You think that's a bad thing? LOL. We don't want an immigration system, because we don't want immigration. Trump was building a wall to keep illegals physically out, and for the ones that managed to get through he made a deal to send them back to Mexico. He also slashed legal immigration, blocking immigrants who would be a public charge, which most of them are.

America's greatest years were in the middle of the 20th Century. We had massive growth, innovation, projected hard and soft power, became the world's biggest superpower, and Americans were unified, optimistic and confident that their kids would live better lives than they had. These were also the years in which we had no immigration. That is not a coincidence.[/QUOTE]Unless you are a Native American, then you are an immigrant. You don't want any more of you here because you've got yours.

As to your ludicrous assertion that the US had no immigration during the middle of the 20th century, google how many Hungarians came to the US between 1956 and 1960. Google how many Cubans entered the US between 1959 and 1965.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2597664]Who's saying about anything making it OK? Not me, not everyone here.

But if the glove fits.

Those left-wing terrorists blowing a Capitol building at night after calling beforehand to evacuate whoever might've been still there didn't hurt or kill any soul.

Unlike January 6 "tourists" who injured 150 people and caused several suicides.

You can of course parrot your party line until you're blue in the face (already are, probably), but you don't get to choose the facts. In a wonderful world of domestic terrorism, ultra-right extremists are infinitely more dangerous. They are the ones who go straight for the body count rather than political statement.

Does it make OK whatever left extremists are doing (what are they doing, BTW)? Don't be an idiot.

But the FBI and DHS specifically highlighted that the real danger is coming from the ultra-right.

Just the facts.

[URL]https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states[/URL][/QUOTE]That's the thing with supporters of the former guy. If they don't like the "real" facts, they make stuff up and call them "alternative facts". Then, they say that all news sources are "fake" unless they are approved by the former guy.

And the real killer is that supporters of the former guy have absolutely no idea that this tactic was used 80+ years ago. [URL]https://www.heraldstaronline.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2020/01/similarities-between-hitler-and-trump/[/URL].

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2597665]Unless you are a Native American, then you are an immigrant. You don't want any more of you here because you've got yours.

As to your ludicrous assertion that the US had no immigration during the middle of the 20th century, google how many Hungarians came to the US between 1956 and 1960. Google how many Cubans entered the US between 1959 and 1965.[/QUOTE]Amazing. 13 military killed and several wounded. Hundreds of Afghanistan citizens injured by Biden screwup and not a mention of it. The left just wants to ignore Biden failures and talk about Trump. Trump is looking pretty good to the world today in comparison to Biden. Thousands of Americans and American allies will be tortured and killed after August 31. If anyone watched Biden pathetic speech this afternoon after he hid all day they would see a weak tired president without a clue or a plan. He can't get the people out now but he will after the military leaves because he thinks he can bargain with terrorists. Britain has washed their hands with the Biden administration for the future until Biden is gone. What a disgrace and the clueless on here just want to talk about Jan 6 and Covid and immigrants. Our city has 36 students and parents stranded in Afghanistan that will probably lose their lives.

It is no secret. Ignoring the Biden failures will not make them go away.

Retired USA Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor took aim at President Biden's handling of the draw down from Afghanistan, comparing it to the infamous Benghazi incident that resulted in the deaths of multiple Americans.

"You're seeing the lapses in security, the absence of realistic planning, bad leadership from the top, a failure to outline specifically what the goal was, which I think very clearly was to get all the American citizens and allied citizens out, before we withdrew any military power," Macgregor said.

"All of this looks a lot like Benghazi on steroids," he added.

The 2012 Benghazi attack resulted in the death US Ambassador Christopher Stevens, Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith, and CIA security contractors Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.

Thanks Joe.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GX0yGdMNUA[/URL]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2597840]Thanks Joe.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GX0yGdMNUA[/URL][/QUOTE]Great post. That video pretty much sums it up. Pretty self explanatory.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2597710]Amazing. 13 military killed and several wounded. Hundreds of Afghanistan citizens injured by Biden screwup and not a mention of it. The left just wants to ignore Biden failures and talk about Trump. Trump is looking pretty good to the world today in comparison to Biden. Thousands of Americans and American allies will be tortured and killed after August 31. If anyone watched Biden pathetic speech this afternoon after he hid all day they would see a weak tired president without a clue or a plan. He can't get the people out now but he will after the military leaves because he thinks he can bargain with terrorists. Britain has washed their hands with the Biden administration for the future until Biden is gone. What a disgrace and the clueless on here just want to talk about Jan 6 and Covid and immigrants. Our city has 36 students and parents stranded in Afghanistan that will probably lose their lives.

It is no secret. Ignoring the Biden failures will not make them go away.[/QUOTE]That's because this USA withdrawal and evacuation from Bush2's 20 year long doomed and predictably failed War in Afghanistan is the best run, most competently managed and most successful withdrawal and evacuation by the Losing Side of a war in history.

Name a better one.

By stark contrast, Ford's 1975 handling of the withdrawal from the only other wrongheaded war America lost, Eisenhower's Vietnam War, was a true horrific shit show.

The typically pro Repub Mainstream Media's over-the-top ridiculous criticism of Biden's withdrawal has all the earmarks of its usual phony "Bothsiderism", meant to elevate Repubs and denigrate Dems. As if ANYTHING about this amazngly well handled withdrawal is comparable to or reminiscent of that Repub Ford's 1975 total catastrophe in Vietnam.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2597840]Thanks Joe.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GX0yGdMNUA[/URL][/QUOTE]Yet, even today Biden's Approval Ratings are better than Trump's, better than DeSantis' in his own state of Florida and better than those of the Repubs in Congress.

Interesting.

Maybe most Americans would accurately recognize that video clip as a deceptively edited piece of hogwash. Biden is the one "Saving America" from the colossal idiocy and historic failures of the previous 4 years.

All 18 USA Intel Agencies just came to the same conclusion on this that Fauci held all along:

[b]USA Intel agencies split on Covid origins, offer no high-confidence conclusions.[/b]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/27/covid-origin-report-us-intelligence-agencies-are-divided.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]"All agencies assess that two hypotheses are plausible: natural exposure to an infected animal and a laboratory-associated incident, the nations 18 intelligence agencies wrote in the unclassified report.

The report, compiled by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, found that the virus was not developed as a biological weapon.[/QUOTE]Of course, Traitor Trump, his 74,000,000 cult followers and his slavishly devoted fellow Repub Traitors in Congress will defer to whatever the Russian intel agencies or rather, Putin personally, has to say about it over all 18 of the USA Intel Agencies.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2597977]That's because this USA withdrawal and evacuation from Bush2's 20 year long Afghanistan is the best run, most competently managed and most successful withdrawal and evacuation by the Losing Side of a war in history.

Name a better one.
this amazngly well handled withdrawal is comparable to or reminiscent of that Repub Ford's 1975 total catastrophe in Vietnam.[/QUOTE]These so-called Wars on Terror were begun with the near unanimous support of all political sides, in case you've forgotten or are oblivious. Credit to Biden for simply trying to follow through with Trump's determined initiative to end this forever war. Unfortunately, telling your enemy what date you're going to be gone is not exactly the best strategy. Especially when you neglect to tell your own people, leaving them stranded when you disappear in the middle of the night. Better to have the media say nothing, and just do a quiet prisoner exchange later on. And if any American brides choose to stay with their new Taliban husbands, well that's their decision, isn't it?

It's official. The US government is the number one enemy of America. Heartbreaking treason. Fact check this fellow enemies of America.

Watchdog: 75,000 USA Vehicles, 600,000 weapons, 208 planes left in Afghanistan.

[URL]https://justthenews.com/government/white-house/us-leaving-behind-75000-vehicles-600000-weapons-and-208-planes-afghanistan?fbclid=IwAR2npRC3bqmEKVYG1KypR3jqMWGRCGvWabCYhdLd5qmjzo75sJq5FcA1Aq4[/URL]

The USA Military is leaving behind 75,000 vehicles, 600,000 weapons and 208 airplanes / helicopters in Afghanistan as the Taliban takes control of the country, according to the watchdog group Open the Books.

"We've made the Taliban into a major USA Arms dealer for the next decade," said Adam Andrzejewski, CEO & founder of Open the Books. "They now control 75,000 military vehicles. This is about 50,000 tactical vehicles, 20,000 Humvees they control about 1,000 mine-resistant vehicles, and even about 150 armored personnel carriers."

In total, the USA Government spent an estimated $83 billion of taxpayer funds on weapons, vehicles and airplanes for the Afghan military.

The Biden administration said recently that a "fair amount" of weaponry would land in the hands of the Taliban but it didn't have an exact number.

Andrzejewski said his organization "found a Federal Audit that detailed up to $200 million worth of drones that had disappeared," adding that "we don't know where 600,000 weapons are within the country."

The Taliban also reportedly has access to biometrics data of Afghans that helped USA Forces during the war.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2597983]These so-called Wars on Terror were begun with the near unanimous support of all political sides, in case you've forgotten or are oblivious. Credit to Biden for simply trying to follow through with Trump's determined initiative to end this forever war. Unfortunately, telling your enemy what date you're going to be gone is not exactly the best strategy. Especially when you neglect to tell your own people, leaving them stranded when you disappear in the middle of the night. Better to have the media say nothing, and just do a quiet prisoner exchange later on. And if any American brides choose to stay with their new Taliban husbands, well that's their decision, isn't it?[/QUOTE]There is only one president Biden who is in charge. There were no attacks during Trump presidency and there were no attacks from Jan 20 to August. Only a fool would close the military base and send back almost all the groups before he got the citizens out. And a fool he is. He had 8 months to get the people out and waited until last month. He was still allowing Americans to go into Afghanistan in July and August when he should have already had everyone out but the military. Only a fool would blame a past administration and obviously you are. Even the democrats are saying this is a Biden disaster and will hurt all of them.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2597983]These so-called Wars on Terror were begun with the near unanimous support of all political sides, in case you've forgotten or are oblivious. Credit to Biden for simply trying to follow through with Trump's determined initiative to end this forever war. Unfortunately, telling your enemy what date you're going to be gone is not exactly the best strategy. Especially when you neglect to tell your own people, leaving them stranded when you disappear in the middle of the night. Better to have the media say nothing, and just do a quiet prisoner exchange later on. And if any American brides choose to stay with their new Taliban husbands, well that's their decision, isn't it?[/QUOTE]Before the president of Afghanistan looted the coffers and fled and the warlords and other Afghanistan military leadership took bribes to lower their arms, abandon their stations and hand over the country to the Taliban without resistance, the "government" of Afghanistan requested that the USA NOT withdraw Americans and our allies secretly or on the sly before an agreed upon date.

First of all, no such "secret" would be kept for more than 2 minutes before a pro Taliban neighbor or airport personnel ratted out the mysterious disappearance and loading up of hundreds of these people on planes bound for Bermuda.

Second, the request was made on the premise that, when ratted out, the Afghan people would have been demoralized with a growing and likely larger parade of panicked refugees storming the airports and totally crippling them along with a better organized opposition to engage in all manner of violent conflict.

Start earlier and go slower? That is about the only alternative the Biden critics can come up with. What they are missing is such an approach would not happen in a vacuum. The chaos side would have longer to better plan THEIR tactics along the way as well. We don't get to do our thing earlier and slower while the opposition and chaos side stands by politely waiting for us to finish.

So far only 1 of the probable 5000 terrorists Trump got released from prison over the objections of the then Afghanistan government managed to strap on a suicide bomb vest and join 72 Virgins in an act of terrorism and chaos that no planning or policy can prevent. Going slower and taking longer would only have given the other 4999 of them more time and more certain established targets to plot against.

No doubt they are still plotting and might very well make their way to the first inspection point at any moment.

Again, so far, that one took out only about 10% of the average annual American deaths for that war from the start. Still a tragic loss. But 10% of the average annual death casualties is much better than what it could have been.

But no matter how fast they scramble to draw straws to decide which one is the lucky winner of the 72 Virgins Paradise they will be arriving at the airports long after 110,000+ allies and the great majority of Americans who WANT to leave have been safely withdrawn and evacuated from the country.

Yes. Thanks, Joe.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2597720]Retired USA Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor took aim at President Biden's handling of the draw down from Afghanistan, comparing it to the infamous Benghazi incident that resulted in the deaths of multiple Americans.

"You're seeing the lapses in security, the absence of realistic planning, bad leadership from the top, a failure to outline specifically what the goal was, which I think very clearly was to get all the American citizens and allied citizens out, before we withdrew any military power," Macgregor said.

"All of this looks a lot like Benghazi on steroids," he added.

The 2012 Benghazi attack resulted in the death US Ambassador Christopher Stevens, Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith, and CIA security contractors Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.[/QUOTE]13 soldiers were killed in active duty in a war zone and 4 people are killed for taking unnecessary risks in a high risk area and these are crimes of the century. Yet pretty much every week mass shootings occur which regularly exceed these totals, most of which are entirely preventable except for the wingnuts who resist any restrictions on gun ownership. How about addressing the one that really impacts Americans.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2597983]These so-called Wars on Terror were begun with the near unanimous support of all political sides, in case you've forgotten or are oblivious.
...[/QUOTE]I think you are conflating the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force in response to the 9/11 attack, which, rightly, did get near unanimous support of all political sides, with The Bush Doctrine, which did not become established until 2002 after we had boots on the ground and was not voted on by anyone.

Bush was going to invade Afghanistan without a Congressional vote on the matter. I doubt it even occurred to him that one might be useful. Which, BTW, he had every right and power to do in the face of credible intel of actionable planning or the imminent threat of a domestic attack. In such a case, the Commander-in-Chief does not have to wait until Congress is called in to convene, debate and vote on the matter. He can just mobilize the military or bombers and go. And in the wake of 9/11 there was definitely the possibility of such credible intel coming in at any hour of the day or night.

In fact, Biden was one of the Senators who convinced Bush to hold off for a Congressional vote on whether or not to use military force. That isn't because Biden, Kerry, Clinton or anyone else who voted Yes on that Authorization thought Bush couldn't or wouldn't go through with it without their vote. All the Dems and Repubs who voted Yes knew he would. Biden wanted the vote because, without it, he knew Bush had zero chance of showing enough "unity" among the American people and their representatives for the purpose and the mission to convince other nations to form a meaningful coalition with us to accomplish it, should we need them.

See, without a Congressional vote on the matter, other countries know one numbskull Commander-in-Chief's brainstorm to do this or that could at any time be defunded by Congress, who never committed to it in any way, the minute those other nations put THEIR boots on the ground, constituents' lives and reputations at stake. The Congressional vote was the only assurance to other countries that we were all in on it. That is what most of those members of Congress were voting for. Not "for the war", but for an acknowledgement to the world that we were unified in supporting our Commander-in-Chief to take action against a clear and present threat.

Therefore, even though fate had dictated that this was another one of those unfortunate times when a minority of the American electorate on the strength of the rigged Electoral College system in cahoots with 5 winger Repub-appointed Supreme Court Justices had gotten tired of the Peace and Prosperity the Clinton Administration had produced by the end of the 1990's and were hungry to have all hell break loose in one colossal fuck up after another by placing the Repub George W. Bush in the White House, he was the only Commander-in-Chief we had at the time. Maybe he wouldn't totally fuck it up like Repubs generally do with everything they touch. It was a gamble we essentially had no choice but to take right after 9/11 even though he had practically given al-Qaeda an engraved invitation to commit that attack.

Voting Yes on that Authorization was the right thing to do because NOT showing the world we were "unified" on the mission was ensuring it would fail. And it DID lead to the accomplishment of the mission to bring those responsible for 9/11 to justice and death. Yes, imo, Obama would have been wrong to vote No on that Authorization had he been a USA Senator at the time.

Now, The Bush Doctrine was something else entirely. That was the way numbskull Bush decided to prosecute the war starting in 2002. And it was not up for a vote. It was the idea of him, his administration and generals that, as long as they had boots on the ground and classic Mission Creep was taking over, a major element of their new mission ought to be to turn places like Afghanistan into "free and open societies." In other words, Nation Building.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2597980]Yet, even today Biden's Approval Ratings are better than Trump's, better than DeSantis' in his own state of Florida and better than those of the Repubs in Congress.
[/QUOTE]In polls conducted by the same Washington swamp firms that told us Biden would win Florida by 12 points so hey Trump voters, no point wasting your time showing up to vote.

(None of the democrat "voters" showed up to vote of course; their "votes" were already "collected" via "mail-in voting", if you know what I mean.

There's a reason Biden usually has a driver.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2597983]These so-called Wars on Terror were begun with the near unanimous support of all political sides, in case you've forgotten or are oblivious. Credit to Biden for simply trying to follow through with Trump's determined initiative to end this forever war. Unfortunately, telling your enemy what date you're going to be gone is not exactly the best strategy. Especially when you neglect to tell your own people, leaving them stranded when you disappear in the middle of the night. Better to have the media say nothing, and just do a quiet prisoner exchange later on. And if any American brides choose to stay with their new Taliban husbands, well that's their decision, isn't it?[/QUOTE]Guess where the following comes from: "The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will execute the following:

1) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will complete withdrawal of all remaining.

Forces from Afghanistan within the remaining nine and a half (9. 5) months.

2) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from.

Remaining bases."

In case you didn't know, this comes from the text of the "surrender document" signed by the dump administration in Doha. So much for you trying to rewrite history: "Unfortunately, telling your enemy what date you're going to be gone is not exactly the best strategy."

BTW, was there anything in the aforementioned agreement about the Taliban holding in place until we withdrew? No there wasn't. Even Neville Chamberlain did better. [URL]https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf[/URL].

This is such a heart warming video of Joe and his son Hunter.

[URL]https://streamable.com/pyb5qh[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2598155]In polls conducted by the same Washington swamp firms that told us Biden would win Florida by 12 points so hey Trump voters, no point wasting your time showing up to vote.

(None of the democrat "voters" showed up to vote of course; their "votes" were already "collected" via "mail-in voting", if you know what I mean.[/QUOTE]I don't know which individual poll you are citing that showed that advantage for Biden in Florida a few days before election day but the consensus of major polls, the right way to assess poll numbers, had the outcome for Biden vs Trump right well within the usual Margin of Error cited by them in the polls.

As usual, the consensus of major polls a few days before election day was remarkably accurate to within a normal +/-MoE from the final outcome.

Take a look at RealClearPolitics' final consensus of their polls before election day 2020 showing which candidate would probably win which state and they were practically dead on right across the board. Exchange their prediction for Florida and Georgia, both extremely close, and the consensus for that map would have been 100% accurate to the final outcome.

I am talking about the consensus of major polls now too.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2598169]There's a reason Biden usually has a driver.[/QUOTE]LOL. More cartoons?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2598315]This is such a heart warming video of Joe and his son Hunter.

[URL]https://streamable.com/pyb5qh[/URL][/QUOTE]omg, cartoons AND weirdly and deceptively edited videos now? Lol.

Seriously, if Repub so-called potus' would only on occasion produce something better than sub par economic results at best with a high likelihood of another Great Repub Crash, Depression/Recession and Massive Job Destruction thrown in the mix along with the absolute worst foreign policy and national security results of all time, maybe they would outright win a few elections with most of the American electorate supporting them without relying only on where the system is already rigged in their favor, passing laws to rig it in their favor even more, pulling one "October Surprise" after another out of their ass, colluding with our foreign adversaries, ordering their loony base to "vote TWICE!", all the other proven significant election fraud maneuvers made only by them, the extreme gerrymandering, the cartoons, the faked videos and on and on and on.

They really ought to try winning elections that way for a change sometimes. Even ONE time to produce positive overall results merely equal to that of the Dem before or after them would be a huge improvement.

"As of mid-August: Texas, with 63.6 percent as many people as California, had 80% as many cases since the pandemic began. That's a 17% differential in California's favor. The contrast with Florida is as dramatic: The Sunshine state, with 53% as many people, had 70% as many cases, also a 17% differential.

Those numbers translate to human lives. California has had 1,637 Covid deaths for every 100,000 residents, Texas 1,881 and Florida 1,890.

Of the three, then, California has been by far the healthiest place to live over the last 18 months and Florida the least.

So why does Newsom face a recall while Abbott and DeSantis sit pretty despite their states' dismal numbers? Florida and Texas do not allow recalls of state officials. "

[URL]https://www.desertsun.com/story/opinion/columnists/2021/08/23/new-covid-19-numbers-show-california-beats-florida-texas-lot/8242052002/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2598105]Now, The Bush Doctrine was something else entirely. That was the way numbskull Bush decided to prosecute the war starting in 2002. It was the idea of him, his administration and generals that, as long as they had boots on the ground and classic Mission Creep was taking over, a major element of their new mission ought to be to turn places like Afghanistan into "free and open societies." In other words, Nation Building.[/QUOTE]Numbskulls don't come up with ideas -- much less doctrines -- all by themselves.

Nation Building? In other words, Project For a New American Century, thank you very much zionist neocons. Many fortunes were made off this war as taxpayer monies were channeled to defense contractors and the military industrial complex.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2598401]"As of mid-August: Texas, with 63.6 percent as many people as California, had 80% as many cases since the pandemic began. That's a 17% differential in California's favor. The contrast with Florida is as dramatic: The Sunshine state, with 53% as many people, had 70% as many cases, also a 17% differential.

Those numbers translate to human lives. California has had 1,637 Covid deaths for every 100,000 residents, Texas 1,881 and Florida 1,890.

Of the three, then, California has been by far the healthiest place to live over the last 18 months and Florida the least.

So why does Newsom face a recall while Abbott and DeSantis sit pretty despite their states' dismal numbers? Florida and Texas do not allow recalls of state officials. "

[URL]https://www.desertsun.com/story/opinion/columnists/2021/08/23/new-covid-19-numbers-show-california-beats-florida-texas-lot/8242052002/[/URL][/QUOTE]Newsom is in trouble because over the decades cry-baby sore loser Repubs have developed an effective Recall Machine in California to find those few thousand signatures required to exploit the already extremely easy method of thwarting the democratic will of the people in that state where a candidate could have won the real election handily, then gotten another 49.99% plurality of the vote in a weird, off election schedule period Recall "election"...then can be replaced by some American democracy-hating winger loon who might only have gotten, say, 15% of the vote in that Recall "election" depending on how many dozens of other loons are on that ballot at the time.

Some of these built-in rigged loopholes were originally set up on a kind of All American "honor system" back when it was considered outlandish, "derangement" kind of thinking to suggest there would ever be a time when an Anti American democracy political party would emerge to act out their every America-hating wish by exploiting these systems to the fullest and beyond only to produce one colossal fuck up result after another for the state and country.

Enter the Republican Party, particularly sInce about 1968.

Biden has a plan.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2598365]LOL. More cartoons?[/QUOTE]I do agree it's a sad joke. When you have a puppet President, cartoons are appropriate.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2599030]I do agree it's a sad joke. When you have a puppet President, cartoons are appropriate.[/QUOTE]Biden is a puppet and the former guy wasn't? Where were you from 2016 to 2020?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2599030]I do agree it's a sad joke. When you have a puppet President, cartoons are appropriate.[/QUOTE]Um...for the past 33 years, the final 1/3 of the previous 100 years/century, through EIGHT presidential elections, only one Republican Party candidate in only one of those eight presidential elections managed to bamboozle enough Americans into giving him more votes than the Democratic Party candidate got. Not many more. And that one was only because his astonishing incompetence and stupidity in not bothering to even pretend to respond to a clear and present danger of "Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US" in a PDB spelled out for him verbally and in text provided him the opporunity to proudly announce he was a "Wartime President!" ahead of his re-election run.

You know, a "Wartime President!" is hard to beat in his 2nd term run. So W did indeed squeeze out a small number more votes more than his Dem challenger that time. That was the 1 out of 8.

BTW, one of that Repub lamebrain's poorly managed wars was the one another Republican so-called potus officially lost and surrendered America to just last year. Turns out that more recent Repub was so much more spectacularly incompetent and stupid than the previous one he could not "negotiate" a 2nd term win no matter how much election fraud, foreign adversary collusion and bribery with tax-payer money he threw at it.

But, hey, the previous Repub did get his 2nd term win. Lucky us. Because, man, as bad as that first Republican so-called potus' term was, his 2nd term actually TOPPED it for colossal fuck ups seriously damaging the country and the world! Lol.

However, he did not inflict as much damage to America and the world as the recent one accomplished in just ONE term. Got to give him that.

So good luck trying to characterize Biden or any other Dem as a "failure" at ANYTHING relative to any Repub only armed with cartoons, deceptively-edited videos and all that junk rather than based on actual results.

Clearly, the American people and electorate are on to the Repub con and scam, have been for for decades. If they could abolish the rigged Electoral College system to even more effectively prevent another Repub from coming within an Insurrection Mob police line of the White House they would.

The QOP knows all about this very, very well. That is why their only apparent mission to accomplish is passing laws to make it more difficult for predominantly Dem areas to have their ballots received and their votes counted and to Do Nothing else.

Just as Trump would want them to. LOL. Imagine being THAT sad excuse for a human being's Puppets. Yet that is the QOP's chosen order to obey. Almost every one of them.

Here's a vaccination meme that makes sense.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2599435]Here's a vaccination meme that makes sense.[/QUOTE]We are sheep because we follow science, and they are free spirits because they follow the cult.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/poll-politico-us/2021/09/01/id/1034698/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/us/rasmussen-taliban-resignation-american-voters/2021/09/01/id/1034627/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2599799][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/poll-politico-us/2021/09/01/id/1034698/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/us/rasmussen-taliban-resignation-american-voters/2021/09/01/id/1034627/[/URL][/QUOTE]Fascists don't believe in polls. Except when the polls confirm their TCS bias.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2599560]We are sheep because we follow science, and they are free spirits because they follow the cult.[/QUOTE]Would that include the science of gender differences? And the science that 30 years ago told us we would all be underwater by now?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2599799][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/poll-politico-us/2021/09/01/id/1034698/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/us/rasmussen-taliban-resignation-american-voters/2021/09/01/id/1034627/[/URL][/QUOTE]Democrats / media / Washington deep state don't care what the American people think. They've proven they can rig an election so they don't need us. Long term they plan to replace us with third world immigrants who will do as they're told (see California, and the brown servants on Nancy Pelosi's vast estate who gratefully vote for her in thankful obedience for the crumbs she drops for them).

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/08/26/hillary-and-bill-clinton-spotted-in-the-hamptons/[/URL]

Thankfully that vile pig isn't in the "oval" office representing the USA jajajajajaaaa.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2600125]Democrats / media / Washington deep state don't care what the American people think. They've proven they can rig an election so they don't need us. Long term they plan to replace us with third world immigrants who will do as they're told (see California, and the brown servants on Nancy Pelosi's vast estate who gratefully vote for her in thankful obedience for the crumbs she drops for them).[/QUOTE]Only the QOP and the fascist sheep believe the [B]completely unproven lie[/B] of a stolen election. They have tried for 8 months to prove what doesn't exist.

And you're right, the US doesn't need fascists who hate everybody who isn't white. Maybe the fascists should try taking over some other lily-white country and elect some fascist-for-life dictator like the former guy. You can also set up a state-run TV propaganda network and call it Fux'ed Again "News".

True xenophobes are rare but we've got one here.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2600147][URL]https://nypost.com/2021/08/26/hillary-and-bill-clinton-spotted-in-the-hamptons/[/URL]

Thankfully that vile pig isn't in the "oval" office representing the USA jajajajajaaaa.[/QUOTE]What a great picture. Really captures the essence there. Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2600164]And you're right, the US doesn't need fascists who hate everybody who isn't white. Maybe the fascists should try taking over some other lily-white country.[/QUOTE]Big Pharma, Big Tech, the defense contractors and the revolving door between boardroom / media / holding office is where the real fascists are. But, go ahead blame the little working people who've gotten fed up with being shafted while the one percent hoover up all the economic assets they can get their grasping hands on. These fascists are color blind: they'll exploit anything that smells like money.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2599799][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/poll-politico-us/2021/09/01/id/1034698/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/us/rasmussen-taliban-resignation-american-voters/2021/09/01/id/1034627/[/URL][/QUOTE]Newsmax and Rasmussen? LOL.

Right next to their report about Farmer Zeke being kidnapped and impregnated by space aliens and a poll showing 90% of their carefully selected respondents are sure the Dems have baby's blood-drinking rituals at pizza parlours.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2600147][URL]https://nypost.com/2021/08/26/hillary-and-bill-clinton-spotted-in-the-hamptons/[/URL]

Thankfully that vile pig isn't in the "oval" office representing the USA jajajajajaaaa.[/QUOTE]Neither Clinton nor any other Dem would have defunded the CDC and pulled all of their Pandemic Prevention and Response monitors from those Chinese labs in 2018 against all expert advice and dire warnings not to do something so foolhardy and stupid.

But your guy did.

And if they somehow had lost their mind and done it, they would not have panicked and compounded the disaster that spectacularly bad decision produced by LYING it from a possibly manageable endemic confined to the Wuhan area of China into the deadly worldwide economy destroying Pandemic it became.

But your guy did.

Of all the damage your NOT voting for Hillary Clinton in 2016 caused, and there was historic across the board damage done by it, that particular serious damage done to international travel for mongering will likely be the longest lasting and is probably the self-inflicted one that stings the Wingers on this website the most.

And I don't even think that one would land among the Top 100 Most Effective list for "Owning The Libs." LOL.

The "election" was obviously fraudulent. Millions of mail-in ballots spammed out to whoever. No ID checks, no verification. Ballots dropped off into "collection boxes" or picked up en masse by democrat operatives.

And then at midnight, when they realised that they hadn't cheated enough to beat Trump's massive vote, they had to shut the count down in places like Atlanta, Detroit and Philadelphia, throw out all the election observers, board up the windows, then bring in hundreds of thousands of fake ballots at 4 am, 98% for Biden.

If it happened in Uzbekistan or Burkina Faso, nobody would recognize the result.

And that's not even getting into the massive fake news and social media suppression of information prior to the election. The fact that social media actually banned the country's oldest newspaper, the New York Post for running a true story highlighting Biden family corruption that came directly from Hunter's laptop. The fact that the fake media hid Biden's senility and incapability, and allowed him to hide in his basement reading from an autocue for an hour a day.

Again, if such obvious bias happened in some third world country, nobody would recognize the result.

As for mass immigration, look at California. 50 years ago, 90% white, easily the best place in the world. Today, 40% white, a failing shithole with a tiny elite and a mass of penniless peasants literally shitting in the streets.

If you changed the demographics of Nigeria and filled it with 30% Indians; or filled China with 50 million Africans, or filled Mexico with 40 million Chinese, how do you think it would go? Would they join hands and sing kumbaya? Or would there be riots, tensions, and destruction of living standards and quality of life for everyone?

This video says it all. Biden is the most incompetent US President in history.

[URL]https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Biden[/URL]+as+%27 Surrenderer+in+Chief%27&docid=13906660002614&mid=4 F9 D71 E7 A8767434 C8904 F9 D71 E7 A8767434 C890&view=detail&FORM=VIRE.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2600315]Neither Clinton nor any other Dem would have defunded the CDC [/QUOTE]It was the Dems' messiah Fauci who funded the gain of function research in China that created covid in the first place.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2600180]Big Pharma, Big Tech, the defense contractors and the revolving door between boardroom / media / holding office is where the real fascists are. But, go ahead blame the little working people who've gotten fed up with being shafted while the one percent hoover up all the economic assets they can get their grasping hands on. These fascists are color blind: they'll exploit anything that smells like money.[/QUOTE]Of course "big corporations" are in it for the money. But they aren't fascists according to the real definition of the word. Read the following very long article [URL]https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism[/URL].

And give me a break with this disingenuous BS: "little working people who've gotten fed up with being shafted". Most "working class" Republicans are shafting themselves because they consistently vote for people and policies that harm themselves. They consistently vote for policies that enrich large corporations and harm the little guy.

Want dirty water? Vote Republican. Want to breathe dirty air? Vote Republican. Want to pay thru the nose for substandard healthcare? Vote Republican. Why do they do this? Because Republican politicians are good at getting their base to believe that the opposite of "Republican" is "Comminist" or "Socialist". And neither could be further from the truth! [URL]https://www.britannica.com/topic/socialism[/URL].

But the wingers who post here are fascists according to Britannica. They hate everybody who isn't white like them. They hate everybody who isn't Christian like them. They are all immigrants but hate immigrants. They hate everybody who isn't "straight", yet many are in-the-closet. They want their authoritarian strong man to rule everybody else except them with an iron fist. They want a police state as long as the police crack down on everybody else.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2600320]The "election" was obviously fraudulent. Millions of mail-in ballots spammed out to whoever. No ID checks, no verification. Ballots dropped off into "collection boxes" or picked up en masse by democrat operatives.

And then at midnight, when they realised that they hadn't cheated enough to beat Trump's massive vote, they had to shut the count down in places like Atlanta, Detroit and Philadelphia, throw out all the election observers, board up the windows, then bring in hundreds of thousands of fake ballots at 4 am, 98% for Biden.

If it happened in Uzbekistan or Burkina Faso, nobody would recognize the result.

And that's not even getting into the massive fake news and social media suppression of information prior to the election. The fact that social media actually banned the country's oldest newspaper, the New York Post for running a true story highlighting Biden family corruption that came directly from Hunter's laptop. The fact that the fake media hid Biden's senility and incapability, and allowed him to hide in his basement reading from an autocue for an hour a day.

Again, if such obvious bias happened in some third world country, nobody would recognize the result.

As for mass immigration, look at California. 50 years ago, 90% white, easily the best place in the world. Today, 40% white, a failing shithole with a tiny elite and a mass of penniless peasants literally shitting in the streets.

If you changed the demographics of Nigeria and filled it with 30% Indians; or filled China with 50 million Africans, or filled Mexico with 40 million Chinese, how do you think it would go? Would they join hands and sing kumbaya? Or would there be riots, tensions, and destruction of living standards and quality of life for everyone?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/conradblack/adams-clay/2021/02/04/id/1008700/[/URL]

How sad this all is. Didn't someone. Stalin perhaps? - that it doesn't matter who votes, it's who counts the votes.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2600320]The "election" was obviously fraudulent. Millions of mail-in ballots spammed out to whoever. No ID checks, no verification. Ballots dropped off into "collection boxes" or picked up en masse by democrat operatives.

And then at midnight, when they realised that they hadn't cheated enough to beat Trump's massive vote, they had to shut the count down in places like Atlanta, Detroit and Philadelphia, throw out all the election observers, board up the windows, then bring in hundreds of thousands of fake ballots at 4 am, 98% for Biden.

If it happened in Uzbekistan or Burkina Faso, nobody would recognize the result.

And that's not even getting into the massive fake news and social media suppression of information prior to the election. The fact that social media actually banned the country's oldest newspaper, the New York Post for running a true story highlighting Biden family corruption that came directly from Hunter's laptop. The fact that the fake media hid Biden's senility and incapability, and allowed him to hide in his basement reading from an autocue for an hour a day.[/QUOTE]How sad this all is. Didn't someone. Stalin perhaps? - that it doesn't matter who votes, it's who counts the votes.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2600320]The "election" was obviously fraudulent. Millions of mail-in ballots spammed out to whoever. No ID checks, no verification. Ballots dropped off into "collection boxes" or picked up en masse by democrat operatives.

And then at midnight, when they realised that they hadn't cheated enough to beat Trump's massive vote, they had to shut the count down in places like Atlanta, Detroit and Philadelphia, throw out all the election observers, board up the windows, then bring in hundreds of thousands of fake ballots at 4 am, 98% for Biden.

If it happened in Uzbekistan or Burkina Faso, nobody would recognize the result.

And that's not even getting into the massive fake news and social media suppression of information prior to the election. The fact that social media actually banned the country's oldest newspaper, the New York Post for running a true story highlighting Biden family corruption that came directly from Hunter's laptop. The fact that the fake media hid Biden's senility and incapability, and allowed him to hide in his basement reading from an autocue for an hour a day.

Again, if such obvious bias happened in some third world country, nobody would recognize the result.

As for mass immigration, look at California. 50 years ago, 90% white, easily the best place in the world. Today, 40% white, a failing shithole with a tiny elite and a mass of penniless peasants literally shitting in the streets.

If you changed the demographics of Nigeria and filled it with 30% Indians; or filled China with 50 million Africans, or filled Mexico with 40 million Chinese, how do you think it would go? Would they join hands and sing kumbaya? Or would there be riots, tensions, and destruction of living standards and quality of life for everyone?[/QUOTE]The only people who believe in "the big lie" are wingers. But keep on donating money to the former guy. He'll keep on taking it so he can fund super spreader rallies.

Every mainstream media outlet in the world mentioned some form of a "Republican mirage" on election day. Every one of these outlets realized that more Republicans would vote in person and more Democrats would vote by mail. Since many states count mail-in ballots last, these outlets predicted that Republicans would have a early lead that would be chipped away with mail-in ballots. The only people who didn't believe this were wingers who wanted vote counting stopped at midnight. When that didn't work they turned to the cockamamie theories that all wingers believe.

Why aren't otherrightwingnut news reporting on Hunter's laptop? After all, Fux "News" and the like have never let facts stand in the way of a convenient lie. The simple reason is that even Fux didn't believe the NY Post horse manure. The only people who believed it were wingers.

Who was the last person, before the former guy, who made use of the "fake news" line? Hint: think Germany between 1933 and 1945.

Anyone who believes a word of the original post is a fascist.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2600315]Neither Clinton nor any other Dem would have defunded the CDC and pulled all of their Pandemic Prevention and Response monitors from those Chinese labs in 2018 against all expert advice and dire warnings not to do something so foolhardy and stupid.

But your guy did.

And if they somehow had lost their mind and done it, they would not have panicked and compounded the disaster that spectacularly bad decision produced by LYING it from a possibly manageable endemic confined to the Wuhan area of China into the deadly worldwide economy destroying Pandemic it became.

But your guy did.

Of all the damage your NOT voting for Hillary Clinton in 2016 caused, and there was historic across the board damage done by it, that particular serious damage done to international travel for mongering will likely be the longest lasting and is probably the self-inflicted one that stings the Wingers on this website the most.

And I don't even think that one would land among the Top 100 Most Effective list for "Owning The Libs." LOL.[/QUOTE]Are you referring to our Lord and Savior, President Donald J Trump.

The savior of western civilization.

Humanity's last hope, 2024.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2600385]Of course "big corporations" are in it for the money.

And give me a break with this disingenuous BS: "little working people who've gotten fed up with being shafted". Most "working class" Republicans are shafting themselves because they consistently vote for people and policies that harm themselves. They consistently vote for policies that enrich large corporations and harm the little But the wingers who post here are fascists according to Britannica.[/QUOTE]We're long past the 1930's and the heyday of Brittanica. Post-truth, post-postmodern, a word is whatever you want it mean. A sex is whatever you want it it be: choose your own. Politics is whatever you want it to be. You are defining yourself when try to define people you don't like. There you go.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2600501]Are you referring to our Lord and Savior, President Donald J Trump.

The savior of western civilization.

Humanity's last hope, 2024.[/QUOTE]Yes, Donald J. Trump, of Trump's Pandemic, the blatantly obvious life-long con man who suckered you into voting FOR another Great Repub Crash and Massive USA Jobs Destruction with the added bonus this time of mass murdering 650,000+ Americans and hobbling international travel for mongering, perhaps forever, due to his previously well known penchant for astonishing incompetence, cowardice and lies.

Yeah, that's your guy. And now you have an unlimited number of his clones in the Republican QOP you can help to win or steal elections, thereby predictably ensuring a repeat and prolonging of those Trump/Repub results, by simply NOT voting for Dems at every opportunity. Enjoy, Mr. Admitted Sadist.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2600385]Of course "big corporations" are in it for the money.[/QUOTE]The term Big Pharma is clearly unfamiliar to you. "In it for the money": monopolistic pricing and practices, writing the laws, capturing the regulators, gaming the system, executive pay. CEO salary is how many times the salary of the average worker? Have minimum salaries kept pace with spending power? It's the growing inequality gap, chasing the elusive dream that have people desperate enough to grasp at straws or grifters. Bringing in third world foreigners who are too glad to chase after any crumbs is no solution. It's actually an ultimate act of eff you cynicism to honest, taxpaying working folks. And then having the chutzpah to then call these people racists is sheer hubris.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2600426]How sad this all is. Didn't someone. Stalin perhaps? - that it doesn't matter who votes, it's who counts the votes.[/QUOTE]Nah, you're just sad that your beloved entertainer lost.

Funny though how you remembered Stalin thinking of Trump.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2600544]Yes, Donald J. Trump, of Trump's Pandemic, the blatantly obvious life-long con man who suckered you into voting FOR another Great Repub Crash and Massive USA Jobs Destruction with the added bonus this time of mass murdering 650,000+ Americans and hobbling international travel for mongering, perhaps forever, due to his previously well known penchant for astonishing incompetence, cowardice and lies..[/QUOTE]Right, because it's Trumps fault that covid happened. Not like it's global pandemic or anything.

[QUOTE=CrowExplorer;2600589]Right, because it's Trumps fault that covid happened. Not like it's global pandemic or anything.[/QUOTE]It [B]is[/B] the former guy's fault that more Americans died on his watch than the combat deaths during the Civil War. Why? Because he [B]lied about it[/B]. [URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/11/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/[/URL].

He admitted it to Bob Woodward, FFS! [URL]https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-donald-trump-bob-woodward-politics-6d3932070522339fa91b8b3d3fc046fa[/URL].

Add the above to the fact that the former caused many of the problems we see today. Back when the only things we had to fight the virus were masks and social distancing, he politicized masks. Then he urged his supporters to inject disinfectant. Now we have vaccines and a high percentage of his supporters won't take it. At his last superspreader event (oops, rally) [B]his own cult boo'ed him for suggesting they get vaccinated[/B]. We currently have a COVID variant (delta) that's killing younger people and the brainwashed still cling to "COVID only kills old people with co-morbidities" line. And all of that can be laid at the feet of the former guy.

Look at countries that have done far better than the US. Then look at countries that have done worse. Virtually all of them have wingnut fascists in charge. [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?[/URL].

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2600505]We're long past the 1930's and the heyday of Brittanica. Post-truth, post-postmodern, a word is whatever you want it mean. A sex is whatever you want it it be: choose your own. Politics is whatever you want it to be. You are defining yourself when try to define people you don't like. There you go.[/QUOTE]It is easy to support the former guy. His supporters reject any source that isn't a wingnut source. They reject any thought that isn't a wingnut thought. They haven't a clue what fascists, xenophobes or racists are. They do know what homophobes are, thoough, and many of their ranks are squarely in the closet.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2600548]The term Big Pharma is clearly unfamiliar to you. "In it for the money": monopolistic pricing and practices, writing the laws, capturing the regulators, gaming the system, executive pay. CEO salary is how many times the salary of the average worker? Have minimum salaries kept pace with spending power? It's the growing inequality gap, chasing the elusive dream that have people desperate enough to grasp at straws or grifters. Bringing in third world foreigners who are too glad to chase after any crumbs is no solution. It's actually an ultimate act of eff you cynicism to honest, taxpaying working folks. And then having the chutzpah to then call these people racists is sheer hubris.[/QUOTE]If all of this is true (monopolistic pricing and practices, writing the laws, capturing the regulators, gaming the system, executive pay. CEO salary is how many times the salary of the average worker? Have minimum salaries kept pace with spending power? It's the growing inequality gap, chasing the elusive dream) then desperate people would never vote Republican. They vote Republican because they are afraid of Brown people. And black people. And red people. And yellow people. [URL]https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/30/17505406/trump-obama-race-politics-immigration[/URL].

Wingers are afraid of anybody who doesn't look like them. And they forget (but in truth probably never knew it anyway) that we've been through all of this before. With the same tired BS. Italian hatred in the late 1800's: [URL]https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-11-26/brief-history-america-s-hostility-previous-generation-mediterranean-migrants[/URL] Irish hatred earlier: [URL]https://www.vox.com/2015/3/17/8227175/st-patricks-irish-immigrant-history[/URL].

What really galls me though is the "third world foreigners who are too glad to chase after any crumbs" mentality. Unless you are a Native American, you are a child of "foreigners". And unless your ancestors immigrated from an English-speaking country and were wealthy when they got here, they arrived with nothing and could speak virtually no English. And your ancestors gladly chased after any crumbs they could find.

So spare me the manufactured outrage. Wingers want America to return to the 50's. Specifically, the 1850's when it was legal to own black people and to shoot them if they misbehaved.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2600320]The "election" was obviously fraudulent. Millions of mail-in ballots spammed out to whoever. No ID checks, no verification. Ballots dropped off into "collection boxes" or picked up en masse by democrat operatives.

And then at midnight, when they realised that they hadn't cheated enough to beat Trump's massive vote, they had to shut the count down in places like Atlanta, Detroit and Philadelphia, throw out all the election observers, board up the windows, then bring in hundreds of thousands of fake ballots at 4 am, 98% for Biden.

If it happened in Uzbekistan or Burkina Faso, nobody would recognize the result.

And that's not even getting into the massive fake news and social media suppression of information prior to the election. The fact that social media actually banned the country's oldest newspaper, the New York Post for running a true story highlighting Biden family corruption that came directly from Hunter's laptop. The fact that the fake media hid Biden's senility and incapability, and allowed him to hide in his basement reading from an autocue for an hour a day.

Again, if such obvious bias happened in some third world country, nobody would recognize the result.

As for mass immigration, look at California. 50 years ago, 90% white, easily the best place in the world. Today, 40% white, a failing shithole with a tiny elite and a mass of penniless peasants literally shitting in the streets.

If you changed the demographics of Nigeria and filled it with 30% Indians; or filled China with 50 million Africans, or filled Mexico with 40 million Chinese, how do you think it would go? Would they join hands and sing kumbaya? Or would there be riots, tensions, and destruction of living standards and quality of life for everyone?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/04/world/africa/South-Africa-Phoenix-riots-deaths.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2600424][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/conradblack/adams-clay/2021/02/04/id/1008700/[/URL]

How sad this all is. Didn't someone. Stalin perhaps? - that it doesn't matter who votes, it's who counts the votes.[/QUOTE]He sure did. He has a lot in common with the current deep state swampers infesting Washington: all are bolsheviks who despise America and our freedoms.

[QUOTE=CrowExplorer;2600589]Right, because it's Trumps fault that covid happened. Not like it's global pandemic or anything.[/QUOTE]According to the communists and their fake media, not a single person would have died of covid if a Democrat had been president.

This is despite the fact that Trump stopped flights from China way back in January 2020, when Pelosi was telling people to hug a Chinaman, and Biden criticised the move as "xenophobic".

So despite the fact that they would have kept accepting flights full of covid-infected Chinese from Wuhan for weeks if not months longer than Trump did, there would have been fewer covid cases and deaths in America in Democrat bolshevik clownworld.

Starting to see why they're called fake news?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2600501]Are you referring to our Lord and Savior, President Donald J Trump.

The savior of western civilization.

Humanity's last hope, 2024.[/QUOTE]Certainly America's last hope.

Given that they had to cheat to "win" the 2020 election with Biden who, for all his many faults is a reasonably likeable and relatable guy to most Americans, there is no possible way that they can get Harris across the line against Trump.

On top of the economic disaster (terrible economic news for Biden / Harris came out yesterday) and the humiliation of Afghanistan, Harris is universally detested, even by her own side.

She is an unlikeable, cackling affirmative action **** who fucked her way up, not to mention barely even an American. No wonder she has no understanding of our liberties and way of life. She makes Hillary Clinton seem like Mary Tyler Moore.

The fraud will have to be like something out of Mubarak's Egypt. If it happens, expect the beginning of the end for the current rotten system.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2600795][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/04/world/africa/South-Africa-Phoenix-riots-deaths.html[/URL][/QUOTE]There it is. The hatreds between different non-white ethnic groups are usually worse than between whites and others. See Koreans v blacks in LA. Say goodbye to the nice, peaceful, friendly, united, homogeneous country we enjoyed for 200 years.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2600802]He sure did. He has a lot in common with the current deep state swampers infesting Washington: all are bolsheviks who despise America and our freedoms.[/QUOTE]2 Catholics cheated their way into the White House.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2600320]The "election" was obviously fraudulent. Millions of mail-in ballots spammed out to whoever. No ID checks, no verification. Ballots dropped off into "collection boxes" or picked up en masse by democrat operatives.

And then at midnight, when they realised that they hadn't cheated enough to beat Trump's massive vote, they had to shut the count down in places like Atlanta, Detroit and Philadelphia, throw out all the election observers, board up the windows, then bring in hundreds of thousands of fake ballots at 4 am, 98% for Biden.

If it happened in Uzbekistan or Burkina Faso, nobody would recognize the result.

And that's not even getting into the massive fake news and social media suppression of information prior to the election. The fact that social media actually banned the country's oldest newspaper, the New York Post for running a true story highlighting Biden family corruption that came directly from Hunter's laptop. The fact that the fake media hid Biden's senility and incapability, and allowed him to hide in his basement reading from an autocue for an hour a day.

Again, if such obvious bias happened in some third world country, nobody would recognize the result.

As for mass immigration, look at California. 50 years ago, 90% white, easily the best place in the world. Today, 40% white, a failing shithole with a tiny elite and a mass of penniless peasants literally shitting in the streets.

If you changed the demographics of Nigeria and filled it with 30% Indians; or filled China with 50 million Africans, or filled Mexico with 40 million Chinese, how do you think it would go? Would they join hands and sing kumbaya? Or would there be riots, tensions, and destruction of living standards and quality of life for everyone?[/QUOTE]Man, I hope the Dems have their shit together that much for the midterms, the next presidential election and every election after that for the next 30-40 years. They'll need it to counter all the voter suppression laws panicky state and local Repubs are putting on the books targeting Dems.

It'll be great to have the Dems control the Presidency and both Houses of Congress at least that long no matter what.

I knew they were the only Party of the 2 major ones that hasn't produced a serious economic downturn of the past 100 years, destroyed millions of USA jobs (ever) or foolishly left us bare ass naked to prevent or respond to the risk of a Pandemic. But I had no idea they were also smart and competent enough to commit widespread election/voter fraud to swing the outcome without leaving a shred of evidence behind convincing enough for teams of Repub-hired attorneys to discover and present in a court of law.

Damn, they're good!

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2600754]If all of this is true (monopolistic pricing and practices, writing the laws, capturing the regulators, gaming the system, executive pay. CEO salary is how many times the salary of the average worker? Have minimum salaries kept pace with spending power? It's the growing inequality gap, chasing the elusive dream) then desperate people would never vote Republican. They vote Republican because they are afraid of Brown people. And black people. And red people. And yellow people. [URL]https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/30/17505406/trump-obama-race-politics-immigration[/URL].

Wingers are afraid of anybody who doesn't look like them. And they forget (but in truth probably never knew it anyway) that we've been through all of this before. With the same tired BS. Italian hatred in the late 1800's: [URL]https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-11-26/brief-history-america-s-hostility-previous-generation-mediterranean-migrants[/URL] Irish hatred earlier: [URL]https://www.vox.com/2015/3/17/8227175/st-patricks-irish-immigrant-history[/URL].

What really galls me though is the "third world foreigners who are too glad to chase after any crumbs" mentality. Unless you are a Native American, you are a child of "foreigners". And unless your ancestors immigrated from an English-speaking country and were wealthy when they got here, they arrived with nothing and could speak virtually no English. And your ancestors gladly chased after any crumbs they could find.

So spare me the manufactured outrage. Wingers want America to return to the 50's. Specifically, the 1850's when it was legal to own black people and to shoot them if they misbehaved.[/QUOTE]You are believing your own myths. Or you've internalized your own projections. Same thing.

In context exclusively of America historically -- and not from any anthropological perspective -- let the brother give you his first person take (something informative unlike an encyclopedia entry):

[URL]https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/09/03/213324/[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2600754]If all of this is true (monopolistic pricing and practices, writing the laws, capturing the regulators, gaming the system, executive pay. CEO salary is how many times the salary of the average worker? Have minimum salaries kept pace with spending power? It's the growing inequality gap, chasing the elusive dream) then desperate people would never vote Republican. They vote Republican because they are afraid of Brown people. And black people. And red people. And yellow people. [URL]https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/30/17505406/trump-obama-race-politics-immigration[/URL].

What really galls me though is the "third world foreigners who are too glad to chase after any crumbs" mentality. Unless you are a Native American, you are a child of "foreigners". And unless your ancestors immigrated from an English-speaking country and were wealthy when they got here, they arrived with nothing and could speak virtually no English.[/QUOTE]Low IQ leftists don't understand how mass third world immigration hurts American workers and benefits the elite CEO class because they don't understand supply and demand.

They are the same kind of people who supported the women soccer players demands to be paid the same as the men despite the fact that women's soccer generates like 2% of the revenue of men's soccer (hilariously, the case concluded that the women were relatively overpaid already).

As for the second point, when Europeans emigrated to America in the 19th century and before, there was no welfare state and little wealth. It was the European settlers who created all of that out of nothing.

Now third world flunkies break into the country and immediately get housing, food, healthcare and other welfare paid for by the American taxpayer. Those of them who do work benefit from the huge and wealthy American economy created by the earlier European settlers.

None of that existed in the 19th Century and before. It is incredibly ignorant to compare the illegal welfare flunkies currently swarming the border to the settlers who created America.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2600804]According to the communists and their fake media, not a single person would have died of covid if a Democrat had been president.

This is despite the fact that Trump stopped flights from China way back in January 2020, when Pelosi was telling people to hug a Chinaman, and Biden criticised the move as "xenophobic".

So despite the fact that they would have kept accepting flights full of covid-infected Chinese from Wuhan for weeks if not months longer than Trump did, there would have been fewer covid cases and deaths in America in Democrat bolshevik clownworld.

Starting to see why they're called fake news?[/QUOTE]First, you haven't a clue what a communist is, yet you certainly use the word a lot. That and socialist. Just like Fux "News" and the former guy. I realize that you will never get educated on the meaning of socialism, communism and fascism. But hope springs eternal.

No democrat has ever said that nobody would have died if a Democrat were in charge. The facts are that the former guy lied about and / or downplayed COVID for the entire time he knew about it. I posted a link earlier. He and his advisers were simply too ignorant to realize that the economy and COVID were linked. Everybody in their right mind knew the two were linked except, of course, the former guy, his advisers, most Republican politicians and the former guy's 74 million cultists.

So the former guy politicized the only thing that would have helped early on. Masks. But because a mask made him look like a weak pumpkin, he didn't wear one and urged his sheep to do the same. Now, when we have a vaccine, he could help get people vaccinated by doing a PSA. But he won't because that would give Biden a win. This sounds like great Republican policy "Let's kill our own supporters just so we can own the libs."

What I'm starting to see is that you're a troll.

Even a broken clock is correct twice per day jajajaja.

[URL]https://variety.com/2021/global/asia/china-cissy-idols-effeminate-men-entertainment-industry-1235055304/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2600857]Low IQ leftists don't understand how mass third world immigration hurts American workers and benefits the elite CEO class because they don't understand supply and demand.

They are the same kind of people who supported the women soccer players demands to be paid the same as the men despite the fact that women's soccer generates like 2% of the revenue of men's soccer (hilariously, the case concluded that the women were relatively overpaid already).

As for the second point, when Europeans emigrated to America in the 19th century and before, there was no welfare state and little wealth. It was the European settlers who created all of that out of nothing.

Now third world flunkies break into the country and immediately get housing, food, healthcare and other welfare paid for by the American taxpayer. Those of them who do work benefit from the huge and wealthy American economy created by the earlier European settlers.

None of that existed in the 19th Century and before. It is incredibly ignorant to compare the illegal welfare flunkies currently swarming the border to the settlers who created America.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/us/politics/biden-blue-collar-voters.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2600802]He has a lot in common with the current deep state swampers infesting Washington: all are bolsheviks who despise America and our freedoms.[/QUOTE]He's part of the swamp, he hates American freedoms, has decades-long connections with Russia, and a bestie with ex-bolshevik Putin.

When a glove fits!

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2600807]Certainly America's last hope.

Given that they had to cheat to "win" the 2020 election with Biden who, for all his many faults is a reasonably likeable and relatable guy to most Americans, there is no possible way that they can get Harris across the line against Trump.

On top of the economic disaster (terrible economic news for Biden / Harris came out yesterday) and the humiliation of Afghanistan, Harris is universally detested, even by her own side.

She is an unlikeable, cackling affirmative action **** who fucked her way up, not to mention barely even an American. No wonder she has no understanding of our liberties and way of life. She makes Hillary Clinton seem like Mary Tyler Moore.

The fraud will have to be like something out of Mubarak's Egypt. If it happens, expect the beginning of the end for the current rotten system.[/QUOTE]Terrible economic news for Biden/Harris came out yesterday? LOL. When 235,000+ jobs were occasionally created in a month under Trump before his disastrous economic stewardship led us directly to the inevitable Great Repub Crash and Massive USA Job Losses all Repubs are contractually required to produce whenever given the chance, Trump and the reliably Repub-supportive Mainstream Media spent the next 2-3 weeks doing cartwheels and taking victory laps about it.

To produce that many in a month (and 750,000 per month on average since Biden took office) while the DeSantis Delta Variant of Trump's Pandemic Virus is again working very hard to destroy the hospitality and travel industry is a goddam miracle.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2600941]He's part of the swamp[/QUOTE]Right, that must be why the swamp and its fake news treat him so well.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2600848]You are believing your own myths. Or you've internalized your own projections. Same thing.

In context exclusively of America historically -- and not from any anthropological perspective -- let the brother give you his first person take (something informative unlike an encyclopedia entry):

[URL]https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/09/03/213324/[/URL][/QUOTE]How exactly does this article do anything do dispell any "myths"? The author specifically refers to white vs black racism.

Are you suggesting that the Irish, the Italians, the Jews, etc. Didn't encounter hatred when they immigrated? Or Chinese? Or Native Americans for that matter.

If someone believes that the only racism that exists in America is the white vs black kind, all you need to do is talk to any person of color.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2600994]Terrible economic news for Biden/Harris came out yesterday?.[/QUOTE]Absolutely horrendous given the fact that almost all businesses are now back open due to the great success of the vaccines created during the Trump admin. You would think the number would be FAR FAR higher than 235,000 people going back to work since businesses were completely shut down by the virus prior to now.

Job Killer Joe is a disaster in every way.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2600866]Even a broken clock is correct twice per day jajajaja.

[URL]https://variety.com/2021/global/asia/china-cissy-idols-effeminate-men-entertainment-industry-1235055304/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE][b]China Wants ‘Sissy Idols’ and ‘Effeminate Men’ Scrubbed From Entertainment Industry[/b][/QUOTE]Now, THAT'S funny coming from you.

Have you ever actually looked at your lord and savior Donald J. Trump's hair, his face, his mannerisms, hand gestures, body shape, listened to his voice, etc?

He passes for an old Hillary Clinton more convincingly than Hillary Clinton does! LOL.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2601059]How exactly does this article do anything do dispell any "myths"?
If someone believes that the only racism that exists in America is the white vs black kind, all you need to do is talk to any person of color.[/QUOTE]Here's the essential point being made:

"A major component of my work has been against racism and its central role as a counterrevolutionary tool and weapon of the capitalist imperialist system, used to polarize the oppressed masses and pit them against each other. It's important that readers grasp from this discussion that racism is and always has been manufactured and manipulated by the establishment (the ruling class and government) as a counterrevolutionary strategy to divide and control the people".

Try the article again. To gain an increased understanding of what's going on, it's necessary to challenge yourself sometimes.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2601068]Absolutely horrendous given the fact that almost all businesses are now back open due to the great success of the vaccines created during the Trump admin. You would think the number would be FAR FAR higher than 235,000 people going back to work since businesses were completely shut down by the virus prior to now.

Job Killer Joe is a disaster in every way.[/QUOTE]Why, then, are so many cultists refusing vaccinations? Did the former guy create faulty vaccines? How come the former guy was boo'ed at his recent COVID superspreader event when he suggested that they get vaccinated? You can't have it both ways.

If you want to give the former guy credit for the vaccine then there are only two reasons for being unvaccinated. Either the vaccines that trump created are great and his unvaccinated supporters are ignorant for being unvaccinated [B]or [/B]the vaccines that trump created are faulty and his supporters are geniuses because they don't want to take a faulty vaccine. Which one is it?

[B]"almost all businesses are now back open"[/B]? What cockamamie BS is that? What is your source for this misinformation? Because the information I find shows nothing of the sort. [URL]https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/06/08/kamala-harris-small-business-closures-covid-fact-check/7602531002/[/URL] and [URL]https://sbecouncil.org/2021/01/21/millions-of-small-businesses-closed-in-2020-the-long-recovery-ahead/[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2601043]Right, that must be why the swamp and its fake news treat him so well.[/QUOTE]Finally, you've acknowledged the obvious!

The swamp and its fake media are treating him like a king (literally).

I mean, Lindsey, Kevin, Marjorie, Foxy, Oanny, Newsymaxy, and one zillion of radio stations across the land.

So yeah, that must be why.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2601068]Absolutely horrendous given the fact that almost all businesses are now back open due to the great success of the vaccines created during the Trump admin. You would think the number would be FAR FAR higher than 235,000 people going back to work since businesses were completely shut down by the virus prior to now.

Job Killer Joe is a disaster in every way.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/09/02/1033396323/china-is-imposing-strict-lockdowns-to-contain-new-covid-outbreaks-but-theres-a-c[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2600862]First, you haven'tblablabla[/QUOTE]Trump shut down flights from China on January 31 2020. The democrats opposed this, with Pelosi going round telling everyone to hug a Chinaman, and Biden calling it "xenophobic". Would the democrat policy of allowing thousands of covid-infected Chinese to fly into the country daily have.

A) increased.

Or, b) reduced.

The spread of covid? No need for a long-winded answer which nobody will read, just a or be. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2601144]Finally, you've acknowledged the obvious!

The swamp and its fake media are treating him like a king (literally).

I mean, Lindsey, Kevin, Marjorie, Foxy, Oanny, Newsymaxy, and one zillion of radio stations across the land.
[/QUOTE]You're confused. The swamp is the permanent bureaucracy in Washington: the likes of Comey, McCabe and Strzok at the FBI, who are supposed to be impartial public servants but are in fact actively working to advance an unpopular leftist-globalist agenda of open borders, critical race theory, feminism, anti-white hatred, thoughtcrime laws, and politically biased prosecutions.

There are many, many more like those three in the upper echelons of govt departments in Washington. They have such a stranglehold that they are able to ensure that only their globo-leftist fellow travelers reach similar positions.

Nobody elects any of these people, and they do not even publicise their political leanings and policy because they know most Americans are opposed to it. And yet they create more rules, regulations and restrictions on Americans and our freedom than do our elected representatives.

A case in point is the recent decree by the CDC that real estate owners no longer have control over who lives in their property. The CDC has no business interfering in the property rights of Americans. The Supreme Court even ruled this unconstitutional, yet it has not been stopped. Literally, an unelected leftist body has started creating unconstitutional communist rules, and these rules are being enforced by the lawless Washington deep state swamp. That is the stuff that foments revolutions.

The swamp is aided by Big Tech in its nefarious, anti-American objectives. Facebook, Twitter and Youtube ban and delist right-wing populist individuals, content and hashtags while pushing and allowing free rein to leftists, in order to attempt to create a false consensus according to their political agenda.

The handful of individuals (minus Lindsay Graham, who is a worthless sellout; swap him for Paul Gosar) and maverick news organizations you mentioned are not the swamp. They are the rag-tag Rebel Alliance. But the amazing and wonderful thing is: they are winning against the Empire.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2601130]Here's the essential point being made:

"A major component of my work has been against racism and its central role as a counterrevolutionary tool and weapon of the capitalist imperialist system, used to polarize the oppressed masses and pit them against each other. It's important that readers grasp from this discussion that racism is and always has been manufactured and manipulated by the establishment (the ruling class and government) as a counterrevolutionary strategy to divide and control the people".[/QUOTE]The idea that "racism is manufactured" is silly. People naturally organise themselves among their own people. Not only in America. Mass immigration is not popular anywhere. And in situations in which different racial groups are forced to live in proximity, they always choose to live in their own ethnic neighborhoods.

No "capitalist imperialist" is forcing them to do this. They just do it because it is the natural order and they feel more comfortable among their own. As Muhammad Ali said, "blue birds fly with blue birds, red birds fly with red birds".

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2600994]Terrible economic news for Biden/Harris came out yesterday? LOL. [/QUOTE][URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-respond-disappointing-jobs-report/story?id=77554168[/URL]

"Biden responds to disappointing jobs report".

Even the fake news Biden shills are saying it's "disappointing", which means in reality it is disastrous.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2601176]The idea that "racism is manufactured" is silly. People naturally organise themselves among their own people. Not only in America.
They just do it because it is the natural order and they feel more comfortable among their own. As Muhammad Ali said, "blue birds fly with blue birds, red birds fly with red birds".[/QUOTE]By that logic, why would you be going to countries with other races, and not flying only with American birds? You do go to places to get laid with women of other races, right? Just sayin'.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2601068]Absolutely horrendous given the fact that almost all businesses are now back open due to the great success of the vaccines created during the Trump admin. You would think the number would be FAR FAR higher than 235,000 people going back to work since businesses were completely shut down by the virus prior to now.

Job Killer Joe is a disaster in every way.[/QUOTE]In addition to the outstanding positive jobs creation number, the unemployment rate dropped to a level not seen since March 2020, when the infection and death count for Trump's Pandemic came in alarmingly high and the stock market Crashed into Bear Market territory for the SECOND time under Trump, which panicked him into finally admitting maybe his Pandemic was NOT a "Democrat Party HOAX!" (which he knew since early January). And last month wages grew faster than they have in years.

Either one of those factors would have Trump, his slavish lemming followers and the typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media whacking off each other until they were all drenched in QAnon Repub cum for weeks.

The only thing "disappointing" about it according to the typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media was THEIR predicted estimate for it was way off. Nevermind that their predicted estimate has been way off, up and down, for almost every month of this remarkably successful Biden economic recovery.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2601168]You're confused. The swamp is the permanent bureaucracy in Washington: the likes of Comey, McCabe and Strzok at the FBIar)[/QUOTE]Shitload of clinical lunacy SNIPPED.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2601168]The handful of individuals (minus Lindsay Graham, who is a worthless sellout; swap him for Paul Gosar) and [b]maverick[/b] news organizations you mentioned are not the swamp. They are the rag-tag [b]Rebel[/b] Alliance. But the amazing and wonderful thing is: they are winning against the Empire.[/QUOTE]LOL, so permanent were the likes of Comey and others that your boy went on a personal crusade to get rid of them and DOZENS OF OTHERS who refused to put their tongues too far down his rectum, all with the cheerful "boma ye" from -- what was that -- mavericks and rebels?

Gee, you're hilarious!

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2601134]Why, then, are so many cultists refusing vaccinations? Did the former guy create faulty vaccines? How come the former guy was boo'ed at his recent COVID superspreader event when he suggested that they get vaccinated? You can't have it both ways.

If you want to give the former guy credit for the vaccine then there are only two reasons for being unvaccinated. Either the vaccines that trump created are great and his unvaccinated supporters are ignorant for being unvaccinated [B]or [/B]the vaccines that trump created are faulty and his supporters are geniuses because they don't want to take a faulty vaccine. Which one is it?

[B]"almost all businesses are now back open"[/B]? What cockamamie BS is that? What is your source for this misinformation? Because the information I find shows nothing of the sort. [URL]https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/06/08/kamala-harris-small-business-closures-covid-fact-check/7602531002/[/URL] and [URL]https://sbecouncil.org/2021/01/21/millions-of-small-businesses-closed-in-2020-the-long-recovery-ahead/[/URL].[/QUOTE]There is a third option for why Trumpsters are refusing to take the vaccines that Trump's cowardice and lies required the world to take in order to control his Pandemic and prevent millions more deaths; Trump started out telling the world it was a "HOAX!" even though he knew it wasn't and then spent almost a year telling the world "This will go away WITHOUT a vaccine!" even though he knew it wouldn't and his slavish cult followers were the primary group on the planet stupid enough to believe him.

Right before he got booed at his self-enriching fund raising rally for finally daring to timidly suggest his numbskull supporters and Biden/Dem-haters ought to get the vaccine that he spent almost a year telling them was unnecessary (if they die, the MAGA checks stop arriving), he publicly asserted the vaccine manufacturers were "schemers" only pushing vaccination shots for the money.

That is how stupid he assumes his supporters are.

Nobody worked harder to create the conditions that required a Warp Speed invention of the vaccines to save millions of lives (using other people's money because, ya' know, he's too smart to pay taxes) while at the same time mocking the proven mitigation efforts and discouraging anyone from even thinking of inventing the vaccines for his Pandemic than so-called potus Donald J. Trump.

Yet he is comfortable in the knowledge that his sucker supporters are too stupid to recognize a con man saying anything at any time no matter how contradictory as long as it keeps the grift money flowing into his pocket.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2601292]There is a third option for why Trumpsters are refusing to take the vaccines that Trump's cowardice and lies required the world to take in order to control his Pandemic and prevent millions more deaths; Trump started out telling the world it was a "HOAX!" even though he knew it wasn't and then spent almost a year telling the world "This will go away WITHOUT a vaccine!" even though he knew it wouldn't and his slavish cult followers were the primary group on the planet stupid enough to believe him.

Right before he got booed at his self-enriching fund raising rally for finally daring to timidly suggest his numbskull supporters and Biden/Dem-haters ought to get the vaccine that he spent almost a year telling them was unnecessary (if they die, the MAGA checks stop arriving), he publicly asserted the vaccine manufacturers were "schemers" only pushing vaccination shots for the money.

That is how stupid he assumes his supporters are.

Nobody worked harder to create the conditions that required a Warp Speed invention of the vaccines to save millions of lives (using other people's money because, ya' know, he's too smart to pay taxes) while at the same time mocking the proven mitigation efforts and discouraging anyone from even thinking of inventing the vaccines for his Pandemic than so-called potus Donald J. Trump.

Yet he is comfortable in the knowledge that his sucker supporters are too stupid to recognize a con man saying anything at any time no matter how contradictory as long as it keeps the grift money flowing into his pocket.[/QUOTE]Operation Warp Speed is a lie!

The USA was the 7th nation to develop a covid vaccine. The other nations did not have trump or 'warp speed'. Its just another lie from republicans. There is and was no such things as 'operation warp speed'. Its just nonsensical propaganda to further fool the cultists of DUmbfuckista.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2601166]Trump shut down flights from China on January 31 2020. The democrats opposed this, with Pelosi going round telling everyone to hug a Chinaman, and Biden calling it "xenophobic". Would the democrat policy of allowing thousands of covid-infected Chinese to fly into the country daily have.

A) increased.

Or, b) reduced.

The spread of covid? No need for a long-winded answer which nobody will read, just a or be. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Does closing the barn door after all of the horses have escaped keep any horses in the barn? If you answer that question you'll have the answer to the one you asked.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2601166]Trump shut down flights from China on January 31 2020. The democrats opposed this, with Pelosi going round telling everyone to hug a Chinaman, and Biden calling it "xenophobic". Would the democrat policy of allowing thousands of covid-infected Chinese to fly into the country daily have.

A) increased.

Or, b) reduced.

The spread of covid? No need for a long-winded answer which nobody will read, just a or be. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The Democrats would not have removed funding from the previous successful pandemic observers that were in place before TrumpShip stupidly removed them.

Was that short enough of an answer?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2601243]In addition to the outstanding positive jobs creation number, the unemployment rate dropped to a level not seen since March 2020, when the infection and death count for Trump's Pandemic came in alarmingly high and the stock market Crashed into Bear Market territory for the SECOND time under Trump, which panicked him into finally admitting maybe his Pandemic was NOT a "Democrat Party HOAX!" (which he knew since early January). And last month wages grew faster than they have in years.

Either one of those factors would have Trump, his slavish lemming followers and the typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media whacking off each other until they were all drenched in QAnon Repub cum for weeks.

The only thing "disappointing" about it according to the typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media was THEIR predicted estimate for it was way off. Nevermind that their predicted estimate has been way off, up and down, for almost every month of this remarkably successful Biden economic recovery.[/QUOTE]A gift to jackoff Joe, from our Lord and Savior aka President Donald J Trump aka bad orange man.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/06/world/americas/mexico-migrants-asylum-border.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2601427]Does closing the barn door after all of the horses have escaped keep any horses in the barn? If you answer that question you'll have the answer to the one you asked.[/QUOTE]Your failure to answer the binary question is noted.

It is also nonsensical, as the question refers to January 2020, long before "the horses had escaped". Unless perhaps you are referring to Fauci's funding of the gain of function research in China which caused the virus in the first place.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2601243]In addition to the outstanding positive jobs creation number.[/QUOTE][URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-respond-disappointing-jobs-report/story?id=77554168[/URL] - "Biden responds to disappointing jobs report".

Disappointing everywhere but in EihTooms head I guess. And who knows what's going on in there?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2601227]By that logic, why would you be going to countries with other races, and not flying only with American birds? You do go to places to get laid with women of other races, right? Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]I sure do, because I find them exciting and exotic, not to mention unspoiled by feminism and entitlement like a lot of American women. But I wouldn't want to live permanently in one of these third world societies.

Anyway, as I (and Muhammad Ali) observed, the reality is that the vast majority of people naturally group together with their own race. This is not because of some outside pressure.

In fact the outside pressure is toward racial integration and racemixing, via Hollywood and media propaganda, Section 8 housing and other govt mandates. But people just don't want to do it. They want to live among their own.

[URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/570956-portland-to-vote-to-ban-texas-travel-trade-following-new-abortion-law[/URL]

"The Portland, Ore., City Council is planning to vote Wednesday on a proposal to ban doing business with the state of Texas following the controversial new abortion restrictions enacted in the Lone Star State."

This is excellent news. As I have been saying, heritage heartland Americans no longer have anything in common with the coastal communists, and we should start making plans to separate from them.

Seems the communists have got the process started.

"But the amazing and wonderful thing is: they are winning against the Empire." Yeah right. If they were winning (your term) you wouldn't be making all this shit up.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2601497]Your failure to answer the binary question is noted.

It is also nonsensical, as the question refers to January 2020, long before "the horses had escaped". Unless perhaps you are referring to Fauci's funding of the gain of function research in China which caused the virus in the first place.[/QUOTE]I shouldn't have to explain such a simple concept, but given that you don't know what racism, fascism, communism or socialism means, I guess I have to.

The virus was here [B]before January 2020[/B]. Therefore, the time to ban flights from China was [B]before the first case arrived in the US[/B].

Once the first infected person arrived, it was too late to stop the spread. What the orange fruitcake did was close the barn doors (ie stop flights from China) after the horses escaped (ie COVID was already here).

I can't make it any simpler for you.

I realize that trumpers think the former guy's travel bandaid was helpful. It wasn't, but xenophobes (his base) believe that the color of someone's passport matters. [URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2600857]Low IQ leftists don't understand how mass third world immigration hurts American workers and benefits the elite CEO class because they don't understand supply and demand.

They are the same kind of people who supported the women soccer players demands to be paid the same as the men despite the fact that women's soccer generates like 2% of the revenue of men's soccer (hilariously, the case concluded that the women were relatively overpaid already).

As for the second point, when Europeans emigrated to America in the 19th century and before, there was no welfare state and little wealth. It was the European settlers who created all of that out of nothing.

Now third world flunkies break into the country and immediately get housing, food, healthcare and other welfare paid for by the American taxpayer. Those of them who do work benefit from the huge and wealthy American economy created by the earlier European settlers.

None of that existed in the 19th Century and before. It is incredibly ignorant to compare the illegal welfare flunkies currently swarming the border to the settlers who created America.[/QUOTE]Seems like the movie groundhog day on a loop.

[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/09/01/importing-enemies/[/URL]

Importing enemies? The DNC loves importing enemies of this country, they know who they will vote for on election day.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2601475]The Democrats would not have removed funding from the previous successful pandemic observers that were in place before TrumpShip stupidly removed them.

Was that short enough of an answer?[/QUOTE]No. The options were a or b. Try again.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2601482]A gift to jackoff Joe, from our Lord and Savior aka President Donald J Trump aka bad orange man.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/06/world/americas/mexico-migrants-asylum-border.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Indeed. Trump's deal with Mexico to keep the illegals there was a masterstroke. One which was torn up by the America-hating dems, who just want to flood the country with third world detritus (and they are detritus: the ones who are too useless to get by in their own countries so they have to break into the gringo welfare state) in order to help perpetuate their next election fraud.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2601557]The virus was here [B]before January 2020[/B]. Therefore, the time to ban flights from China was [B]before the first case arrived in the US[/B].[/QUOTE]Then why were Pelosi, Biden and the rest of the democrats opposed to banning flights in January 2020?

You seem to be saying that if the US had permitted flights to continue coming in from the source of the pandemic in its early stages, it wouldn't have led to greater covid numbers in America. That is simply too idiotic for words, and a good indicator of the insane level of your Trump Derangement Syndrome.

What actually happened was Trump's swift travel ban (in the face of the usual dem / fake news screeching about "racism" or some other nonsense) bought the country some time. In that time, Trump pushed hard for Operation Warpspeed, which developed vaccines in record time, and saved the lives of many vulnerable people.

For an indication of the planning and organizational capabilities of Biden's handlers, we can look at Afghanistan. Had Sleepy Joe or Glassface Nancy been in charge, their covid response would have been equally catastrophic and humiliating.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2601506]I sure do, because I find them exciting and exotic, not to mention unspoiled by feminism and entitlement like a lot of American women. But I wouldn't want to live permanently in one of these third world societies.

Anyway, as I (and Muhammad Ali) observed, the reality is that the vast majority of people naturally group together with their own race.[/QUOTE]That's great that you sure do. You're entitled to it. We'll look forward to reading your reports of your exciting and exotic experiences. By the way, where are they?

Cassius Clay on naturally grouping together while he converts to Muslim. Too funny.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2601580]Indeed. Trump's deal with Mexico to keep the illegals there was a masterstroke. One which was torn up by the America-hating dems, who just want to flood the country with third world detritus (and they are detritus: the ones who are too useless to get by in their own countries so they have to break into the gringo welfare state) in order to help perpetuate their next election fraud.[/QUOTE]The ACLU and Nutty Nancy et al, all shit themselves screaming you racist monster, now Dementia Joey will use the policy to keep them in Mexico for his benefit and you won't hear anything from those.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2601557]The virus was here [B]before January 2020[/B]. Therefore, the time to ban flights from China was [B]before the first case arrived in the US[/B].

Once the first infected person arrived, it was too late to stop the spread. What the orange fruitcake did was close the barn doors (ie stop flights from China) after the horses escaped (ie COVID was already here).

I can't make it any simpler for you.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ChrisP;2601586]Then why were Pelosi, Biden and the rest of the democrats opposed to banning flights in January 2020?

You seem to be saying that if the US had permitted flights to continue coming in from the source of the pandemic in its early stages, it wouldn't have led to greater covid numbers in America. That is simply too idiotic for words, and a good indicator of the insane level of your Trump Derangement Syndrome.

What actually happened was Trump's swift travel ban (in the face of the usual dem / fake news screeching about "racism" or some other nonsense) bought the country some time. In that time, Trump pushed hard for Operation Warpspeed, which developed vaccines in record time, and saved the lives of many vulnerable people.

For an indication of the planning and organizational capabilities of Biden's handlers, we can look at Afghanistan. Had Sleepy Joe or Glassface Nancy been in charge, their covid response would have been equally catastrophic and humiliating.[/QUOTE]TrumpShit had removed our (on the ground) medical pandemic observers in 2018.

We have now looked over Air Force surveillance pictures that show the swelling and overflowing of cars in parking lots of numerous hospitals in and around Wuhan China in September and October of 2019.

The world-wide observers that Obama and the Democrats funded and put in place during the first half of the decade would likely have identified the pandemic and contain it (as they did others).

TrumpShit claimed initially that China was fully co-operating and transparent.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2601227]By that logic, why would you be going to countries with other races, and not flying only with American birds? You do go to places to get laid with women of other races, right? Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]Are you suggesting that people that would like to protect their cultural identity, their national identity, some value to their citizenship, the sovereignty of their nation, their national character and values.

Should what? Only eat American food and never travel overseas etc? That's some childish logic you have there.

I'm against illegals flooding the USA labor market with cheap labor for the benefit of Bezos, does that mean I can't eat at Taco Bell according to your logic?

I believe Bernie Sanders said in approx 2016 in an interview that open borders are evil.

He went on to say they are a gift to the Koch Brothers and Mitt Romney et al.

Is Bernie Sanders a spin off of Hitler? They are both Jewish but that's a bit of a stretch dontcha think?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2601603]That's great that you sure do. You're entitled to it. We'll look forward to reading your reports of your exciting and exotic experiences. By the way, where are they?

Cassius Clay on naturally grouping together while he converts to Muslim. Too funny.[/QUOTE]I pretty sure you meant Islam, but I digress.

Islam is not a race so you point is a bit confusing?

Do you know how many black Muslims are in Chicago? Ever hear of Nation of Islam?

Ever hear of Louis the anti Semite Farrahkhan? A militant Democrat!

Do you have any idea how many blacks in Afrika are Muslims?