Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2752199]I bought Skittles to pass out on Halloween. Now I'm starting to think that might not be such a good idea.[/QUOTE]Yeah, do not pass them out to the kids. You will get some angry moms. But if you wait until the adults only Halloween party, you will be up to your eyeballs in MILFs. LOL.

[QUOTE=Simplii;2752028]Hello Guys!

Let's share to the community my last week findings related to Seeking in Mexico City and Metropolitan Area.

The following girls are willing to have a NSA dates inside an hotel room. You know what I mean.

Not sure if all of them speaks English but you can try to be speak with them and it's ok if you go directly to the point but please: don't be rude. Be gentle and polite. There are most probably not pros.

Price amounts may not be fixed, it will depends on the agreement, how you looks, how you talk to them, if you are foreigner, etc etc.

Please, be caution and Enjoy!

Amount Mexican Peso / Link.

1. $5000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f9c7db83-ebc2-4caf-a25e-487e0d7c2eba[/URL].

2. $1500 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/89c92229-7c05-4bf3-a7fe-74e6515fa3b1[/URL].

3. $4000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/33fc61de-e87d-4f2a-8c22-729a383ff1ad[/URL].

4. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/48fa70aa-3281-4f05-8847-759191619615[/URL].

5. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4d8b8286-a801-40c8-84f3-b64270d37fb9[/URL].

6. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/db1e5e4d-1441-4da8-843e-595956399cae[/URL].

7. $5000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/43103692-db18-4bba-9432-9402119f97b3[/URL].

8. $1000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3229f9dc-68ab-4568-88b9-a576b03f52bf[/URL].

9. $2000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d15640da-be04-451a-8f47-2ec44494a4ae[/URL].

10. $2000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/eb9cc2a0-88b1-4573-9956-01622621a98f[/URL].

11. $2500 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9b882ead-e90b-43e3-a200-0f28c785adaa[/URL].

12. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0dad7553-f69b-4ecf-9031-c823a97fa445[/URL].

Please, if you have more info with links please share![/QUOTE]Met this girl today.

$3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/82c1a002-9a90-47ef-8fe2-99da088f69f6[/URL].

Report will follow tomorrow.

BTW, she is ok to share her WhatsApp ISG number with other members.

If any of other girls ok to share their contact info, can you message me their number please?

[QUOTE=Simplii;2752028]Hello Guys!

Let's share to the community my last week findings related to Seeking in Mexico City and Metropolitan Area.

The following girls are willing to have a NSA dates inside an hotel room. You know what I mean.

Not sure if all of them speaks English but you can try to be speak with them and it's ok if you go directly to the point but please: don't be rude. Be gentle and polite. There are most probably not pros.

Price amounts may not be fixed, it will depends on the agreement, how you looks, how you talk to them, if you are foreigner, etc etc.

Please, be caution and Enjoy!

Amount Mexican Peso / Link.

1. $5000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f9c7db83-ebc2-4caf-a25e-487e0d7c2eba[/URL].

2. $1500 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/89c92229-7c05-4bf3-a7fe-74e6515fa3b1[/URL].

3. $4000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/33fc61de-e87d-4f2a-8c22-729a383ff1ad[/URL].

4. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/48fa70aa-3281-4f05-8847-759191619615[/URL].

5. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4d8b8286-a801-40c8-84f3-b64270d37fb9[/URL].

6. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/db1e5e4d-1441-4da8-843e-595956399cae[/URL].

7. $5000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/43103692-db18-4bba-9432-9402119f97b3[/URL].

8. $1000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3229f9dc-68ab-4568-88b9-a576b03f52bf[/URL].

9. $2000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d15640da-be04-451a-8f47-2ec44494a4ae[/URL].

10. $2000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/eb9cc2a0-88b1-4573-9956-01622621a98f[/URL].

11. $2500 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9b882ead-e90b-43e3-a200-0f28c785adaa[/URL].

12. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0dad7553-f69b-4ecf-9031-c823a97fa445[/URL].

Please, if you have more info with links please share![/QUOTE]I checked these out, and the absolute hottest one based on her pics that I would fuck no questions asked is "Lizy". In fact, she's the only one of the bunch who I find to be a "hottie". She's one of the most expensive ones too. I always did have expensive taste LOL! Oh, and after I checked out her profile she favorited me! Now if only I could get my dick (and ATM card) to Mexico City hehehe.

I have to say, you have impressive range in your tastes.

[QUOTE=Simplii;2752028]Hello Guys!

Let's share to the community my last week findings related to Seeking in Mexico City and Metropolitan Area.

The following girls are willing to have a NSA dates inside an hotel room. You know what I mean.

Not sure if all of them speaks English but you can try to be speak with them and it's ok if you go directly to the point but please: don't be rude. Be gentle and polite. There are most probably not pros.

Price amounts may not be fixed, it will depends on the agreement, how you looks, how you talk to them, if you are foreigner, etc etc.

Please, be caution and Enjoy!

Amount Mexican Peso / Link.

1. $5000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f9c7db83-ebc2-4caf-a25e-487e0d7c2eba[/URL].

2. $1500 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/89c92229-7c05-4bf3-a7fe-74e6515fa3b1[/URL].

3. $4000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/33fc61de-e87d-4f2a-8c22-729a383ff1ad[/URL].

4. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/48fa70aa-3281-4f05-8847-759191619615[/URL].

5. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4d8b8286-a801-40c8-84f3-b64270d37fb9[/URL].

6. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/db1e5e4d-1441-4da8-843e-595956399cae[/URL].

7. $5000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/43103692-db18-4bba-9432-9402119f97b3[/URL].

8. $1000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3229f9dc-68ab-4568-88b9-a576b03f52bf[/URL].

9. $2000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d15640da-be04-451a-8f47-2ec44494a4ae[/URL].

10. $2000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/eb9cc2a0-88b1-4573-9956-01622621a98f[/URL].

11. $2500 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9b882ead-e90b-43e3-a200-0f28c785adaa[/URL].

12. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0dad7553-f69b-4ecf-9031-c823a97fa445[/URL].

Please, if you have more info with links please share![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EuropeanDmv75;2752279]Thanks for Sharing. This is great information and it would be great if more people would contribute information like this. So my question for you, did you actually meet any of these girls or just kind of negotiated with them but have not met them yet? I identified a few of the girls in your list and I will provide some more info as soon as I finish some work presentations.[/QUOTE]Some girls I meet and some many others only negotiated so far. There's no time enough to meet all of them in one week. LOL.

I hope I come back with some insights this weekend related to the list or maybe some others.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2752463]I have to say, you have impressive range in your tastes.[/QUOTE]I guess, pussy is pussy and sometimes it is all you care about, not a specific type. I would love to hear what % you scored from this list.

[QUOTE=Kohlisaab;2751846]Thanks for your feedback. Are you able to share the SA handles?[/QUOTE]The first two girls, I had already met them during other visits to CDMX. Not sure if they are still active in SA. I will ask them and if they are and cool with sharing their handle, I will let you know. The 3rd one deactivated her handle and she is not responding to WhatsApp. If she responds, I will let you know. But going forward I will try to be more mindful about this. Good luck in your search!

We have all heard the line on SA that chemistry will determine that night's / date's trajectory. I have never taken issue because I have gotten along (didn't bang) with every girl that I've met on Seeking. Some have resulted in multiple bangs or long term arrangements, while others have ended with a single date and maybe some DFK or a BJ.

Maybe my perspective was too externalized, but I never considered that I might be the one not feeling the chemistry.

Last time I was in Spain, one of the girls I found was a Peruvian that spoke perfect english and had a great what'sapp vibe. Instead of heading to a restaurant or bar / lounge, she wanted to head to the park to do some martial arts. . She wanted me to show her some Muay Thai (MT) and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) and I agreed like "hell yeah!, that sounds like fun" Her profile: Thin, perfect height, with small tits and an in-shape ass. She was definitely within the limited sphere of my preferred girl to bang. She showed up in workout gear and she was pretty, with long black hair.

Body, face, smile, smell, teeth. She ticked all the boxes. Upon first inspection, I got a little excited thinking, "I'm going to be banging this girl before the night's out".

We hit the park and we started with MT. Fun. After combos, We did some clench work, which for those who don't know MT, it's grabbing the base of the skull, back of the head, or back of the neck to control your opponent, while pressing in your hips to theirs in order not to catch a knee to the gut or junk (pretty much, it's close AF). When you do this with a girl, there is definitely a sexual component. While doing this, I thought, WTF. Nothing. Where is the "sexiness" that I know accompanies this? "Whatever", I thought. I figured it was nothing. We moved onto BJJ and I showed her a few moves that required her to be in a top position with me on my back (Hip on hip or D on V) I felt nothing again (no blood flow down below, nada) and she didn't show any signs either. No prolonged stares, or hip movement, close to face lingering (nothing). I thought, "This girl has no sexual energy!" Even though I thought this, I still would have smashed (to get another chronicle for self and forum LOL). We had a drink after the park and my thought was that any issue I had at a the park would def go away after a few drinks. During the drinks, she mentions she has a BF at home and they are in an open relationship. She's a swinger and her dude thinks Seeking is a great idea for her. After drinks we end up at the park around the corner from my apt and we hang out there for a while. Dudes, I felt nothing. I even tried to imagine banging her in order to get the juices flowing and nothing. . I have been with girls that are not as pretty and have had to keep myself under control. Not the case with her. There was no chemistry.

It's 11 PM at this point and we have been together for about 7 hours. She mentioned that we should go to my place and order some takeout. I declined and made up an excuse about work. I called her an uber and went home alone. Even when we hugged, there was nothing from my side. Her body was pressed completely against mine and I felt nothing. It wasn't her looks, or her attitude, or any of the normal stuff that kills the mood. She literally had no sexual energy.

So, Shroomer doesn't give up that easily. As I mentioned, she was my type. She hit me up to go to dinner 2 days later. After dinner, we started walking toward my place and it's about a 15 min walk. During that time, I decided to start fresh with testing the waters (touching, being close, etc) while we were walking. She never moved away, but had no energy to respond to. We decided to go back to my place and chill out. Of course, I thought that since we were going to be on my turf that it was a done deal. I was wrong. We arrived and she never put on the brakes, but there was no desire to fuel my action. I contrast this with Maria that looks deep in your eyes while you are talking and nods her head in a way that gets the blood flowing mid-sentence. Her eyes are saying kiss me, while you are trying to finish your thought (report coming on her later). The Peruvian was open, talkative, amiable, and pleasant to be around. But. No sexual energy at all!!

I've met girls from SA that I didn't' want to bang before, but never met a girl that I would bang, but had no chemical reaction for it. It's like your eyes like her, but your body has no interest. Her lack of sexuality actually killed mine.

Chemistry is a thing. . 02.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2752601]We have all heard the line on SA that chemistry will determine that night's / date's trajectory. I have never taken issue because I have gotten along (didn't bang) with every girl that I've met on Seeking. Some have resulted in multiple bangs or long term arrangements, while others have ended with a single date and maybe some DFK or a BJ.

No sexual energy at all!!

I've met girls from SA that I didn't' want to bang before, but never met a girl that I would bang, but had no chemical reaction for it. It's like your eyes like her, but your body has no interest. Her lack of sexuality actually killed mine.

Chemistry is a thing. . 02.[/QUOTE]Interesting take, I've ran into girls I'm not 100% into, but usually a couple of Viagra pills or Cialis is enough to forget about chemistry LOL.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2752601]We have all heard the line on SA that chemistry will determine that night's / date's trajectory. I have never taken issue because I have gotten along (didn't bang) with every girl that I've met on Seeking. Some have resulted in multiple bangs or long term arrangements, while others have ended with a single date and maybe some DFK or a BJ.

Maybe my perspective was too externalized, but I never considered that I might be the one not feeling the chemistry.

Last time I was in Spain, one of the girls I found was a Peruvian that spoke perfect english and had a great what'sapp vibe. Instead of heading to a restaurant or bar / lounge, she wanted to head to the park to do some martial arts. . She wanted me to show her some Muay Thai (MT) and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) and I agreed like "hell yeah!, that sounds like fun" Her profile: Thin, perfect height, with small tits and an in-shape ass. She was definitely within the limited sphere of my preferred girl to bang. She showed up in workout gear and she was pretty, with long black hair.

Body, face, smile, smell, teeth. She ticked all the boxes. Upon first inspection, I got a little excited thinking, "I'm going to be banging this girl before the night's out"..[/QUOTE]If chemistry did not matter, people will be banging their hot sister. Yet, normal people would have no desire regardless of hot she is.

[QUOTE=EuropeanDmv75;2752553]I guess, pussy is pussy and sometimes it is all you care about, not a specific type. I would love to hear what % you scored from this list.[/QUOTE]Oh while I very much appreciate your list because it tells a better story I won't be hitting any of them. My next trip is not to Mexico. Tho I have seeked in Cdmx multiple times and it's one of my favorite cities. And the benefit of doing it multiples times is you can see who the pros are, because a year or two later they're still on there even if with a "new" profile. That city is so large there is always new talent coming up. And 5000-6000 pesos, which I offer for an long date of about 8 hours, seems to go a long way.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2752806]Oh while I very much appreciate your list because it tells a better story I won't be hitting any of them. My next trip is not to Mexico. Tho I have seeked in Cdmx multiple times and it's one of my favorite cities. And the benefit of doing it multiples times is you can see who the pros are, because a year or two later they're still on there even if with a "new" profile. That city is so large there is always new talent coming up. And 5000-6000 pesos, which I offer for an long date of about 8 hours, seems to go a long way.[/QUOTE]Great, 5000-6000, is the sweet spot in CDMX. You can get some great girls for 4000, but any lower then that, will be a lot of work and time. I just got back from CDMX, another great trip.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2752601]

We hit the park and we started with MT. Fun. After combos, We did some clench work, which for those who don't know MT, it's grabbing the base of the skull, back of the head, or back of the neck to control your opponent, while pressing in your hips to theirs in order not to catch a knee to the gut or junk (pretty much, it's close AF). When you do this with a girl, there is definitely a sexual component. While doing this, I thought, WTF. Nothing. Where is the "sexiness" that I know accompanies this? "Whatever", I thought. I figured it was nothing. We moved onto BJJ and I showed her a few moves that required her to be in a top position with me on my back (Hip on hip or D on V) I felt nothing again (no blood flow down below, nada) and she didn't show any signs either. No prolonged stares, or hip movement, close to face lingering (nothing). I thought, "This girl has no sexual energy!" Even though I thought this, I still would have smashed (to get another chronicle for self and forum LOL). We had a drink after the park and my thought was that any issue I had at a the park would def go away after a few drinks. During the drinks, she mentions she has a BF at home and they are in an open relationship. She's a swinger and her dude thinks Seeking is a great idea for her. After drinks we end up at the park around the corner from my apt and we hang out there for a while. Dudes, I felt nothing. I even tried to imagine banging her in order to get the juices flowing and nothing. . I have been with girls that are not as pretty and have had to keep myself under control. Not the case with her. There was no chemistry.

[/QUOTE]Though not Muay Thai, but it reminded me of the time that I spent with a half Romanian-Turkish girl in a now defunct FKK Living Room several years back in Germany. I would spend a good chunk of my time with her whenever I was there.

Anyway, she said she was a wrestler when she was in school and often wrestle with the boys. I asked her why don't we wrestle to prove that she was not lying, and we got into position, both of us nude. I don't know much about wrestling but I play Judo, so it is almost the same I think LOL. For someone of a smaller size, she sure knows her move. For both of us to wrestle nude, our bodies rubbing against each other all the time, it did generate a lot of sexual stimulation. Is that chemistry? I don't know, but it was a lot of fun. Plus, with the added mirror on the wall and on the ceiling in that room, it was really exciting for me to watch too while doing it.

Curious to know if anyone has met SB who has really fallen for you (and maybe you having that same feeling), that she actually tears up when you leave, and she really enjoys the time when you are together. I meant more than just spending one night, but spending the week on a trip etc.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2753070]Curious to know if anyone has met SB who has really fallen for you (and maybe you having that same feeling), that she actually tears up when you leave, and she really enjoys the time when you are together. I meant more than just spending one night, but spending the week on a trip etc.[/QUOTE]The one over-the-top experience I had was / is like this. She developed feelings and recently confessed that she still has them. She moved 6 hours away, but we still stay in touch.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2753070]Curious to know if anyone has met SB who has really fallen for you (and maybe you having that same feeling), that she actually tears up when you leave, and she really enjoys the time when you are together. I meant more than just spending one night, but spending the week on a trip etc.[/QUOTE]Definitely a few of these. Alexa and I def adore each other. Fallen a bit both ways. But still practical that we are long distance and enjoy it when together. We did initial two nights in Vegas, then I flew her to Miami for a weekend. Then three epic nights back in vegas.

Sarah def had fallen a bit for me. Was in daily text contact. Always wanting to figure how to meet up. To be fair I flew her to the Mediterranean after one weekend together. Hard to not love that. LOL. We are a bit sexually incompatible tho and def winding it down. We did the long weekend, a few days in the Mediterranean, and a night here or there.

And Shayla is def a hard fall in both directions. She wants to see me even tho we are non transactional on payment. She always whines a little (in a nice way) if I can only stay a couple hours rather than 4 or 5. When we've been apart she rushes to me and showers me in kisses. We have def transcended the usual sugar baby genre. We in new territory here. And loving it. We’ve seen each other pretty close to weekly since January. And with a new living arrangement we will see each other more. Prob won’t happen every week but saw her three times this week.

What's the deal with all of these profiles that I see of allegedly "mixed" women whose pictures are of women who are as white as rice? There are a ton of these types of profiles lately, at least in my corner of the universe. Virtually all of these "mixed race" profiles tend to be very recently established on the site and strike me as being as fake as the assertions of mixed blood being claimed.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2752601]SNIP During the drinks, she mentions she has a BF at home and they are in an open relationship. She's a swinger and her dude thinks Seeking is a great idea for her..[/QUOTE]I had an initial lunch date with a SB prospect. She had lots going for her. She told me she about her marriage, her kids, her interests and that she's allowed to play. Went parking for a while and trying to get things happening. Nothing felt natural at all. I dropped her back to her home and texted her after thanks but no thanks.

Maybe the swingers' game is different to the SB / SD game.

So I wrote more extensive write up but my phone died and it was lost in the ether. Let's try again.

To start with Shayla is officially my mistress. No more PPM. She's a kept woman. I pay for her place and she is the best girlfriend a guy could ever ask for. Didn't think I'the ever get to this level but 40 Seeking girls later I officially have a mistress. 😋 We cooked Italian together at our place and it was soooo fun. Followed by epic sex.

I still can't believe what a horny beast this girl is. I have to get her going by kissing, tits, or pussy rub but 15 seconds later she is on fire and we are lit for epic sex. Last night was particularly excellent. Best of my life actually. Yep. We smoked a couple bowls before which. Never hurts. But we literally went at it non stop and I do mean nonstop for one and a half hours. Five times we swapped between sex in various positions and her BJing for an extended period. Amazing combo of both. And two shots. I didn't think the second was possible. But she did. LOL.

A couple highlights. One. We are kinda in between rounds and face to face and she is just kissing and kissing and kissing me. We have literally been kissing for like a half hour nonstop and she's still making out heavy. She says "god I just love to kiss you". Yes ma'am. I got ya!

Two. Again at a lull. I'm thinking maybe we pack it up. She's on her back vibing herself (we got that out about midway) and she says "can you put it inside me just for a few more minutes. Please? Well of course this leads to another half hour of BJ and fucking. Good lord she's a dynamo. I am in love!

P.S. Thete was this big argument in the Medellin thread. Some guys said chemistry doesn't matter. Sex is sex. And others argued chemistry is key to good sex. My POV is it's like cake and ice cream. Both are independently good to most people. Some like cake better. Some like ice cream together. But for a lot of people the combo is best. And so it is with sex. If you have chemistry and the sex bites well that's not great. If you have sex without chemistry yeah it's prob good if she's good at it even without chemistry. But put the two together great sex technique and great chemistry and voila. Magic.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2754407]To start with Shayla is officially my mistress. No more PPM. She's a kept woman. I pay for her place and she is the best girlfriend a guy could ever ask for. Didn't think I'the ever get to this level but 40 Seeking girls later I officially have a mistress. We cooked Italian together at our place and it was soooo fun. Followed by epic sex.[/QUOTE]Steve you're not a monger. At least a hardcore one you're not. I've always felt this way about you. A hardcore monger needs to think not once, not twice, but at least thrice about even repeating, let alone keeping a woman! Nope, you're no hardcore monger. You only play one on ISG LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2754500]Steve you're not a monger. At least a hardcore one you're not. I've always felt this way about you. A hardcore monger needs to think not once, not twice, but at least thrice about even repeating, let alone keeping a woman! Nope, you're no hardcore monger. You only play one on ISG LOL![/QUOTE]Sorry, Cane I would have to disagree with your post. Steve is looking for a good experience, plus mongering. I do the same. He also like to meet girls more then once if he has a good experience or there is chemistry.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2754564]Sorry, Cane I would have to disagree with your post. Steve is looking for a good experience, plus mongering. I do the same. He also like to meet girls more then once if he has a good experience or there is chemistry.[/QUOTE]Well I do hate the word monger because it's a complete misuse of the word. Monger means to market / sell. And I'm buying not selling! So yeah def not a monger. But I like the term girl enthusiast and I think that describes me well.

Despite being lip locked with Shayla, I've notched 36 other girls this year, some multiple times. And I'm going to up that count by at least 10-15 more before the end of the year.

So yeah. I'm a one woman guy when I'm at home. But on the road? Well I'the say my track record speaks for itself. LOL.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2754564]Sorry, Cane I would have to disagree with your post. Steve is looking for a good experience, plus mongering. I do the same. He also like to meet girls more then once if he has a good experience or there is chemistry.[/QUOTE]Was said mostly in jest bro. But the fact of the matter is that Steve is far, far more interested in having "relationships" with these girls than most of us here on this site are. Not a criticism. Just the facts. Fact is, most of us mainly just want to fuck. A lot! LOL! Of course, it's obviously a bit different for a higher percentage of the SA users it seems, of which this thread is all about.

Let's be politically incorrect for a second.

In my experience, most of the girls who claim to be mixed, are actually black. If I'm being honest I think they mark mixed to not be weeded out by guys who don't dig black chicks so much. But they're clearly black.

I don't need to hear that you yourself love black chicks and the world is a rainbow. Just calling the shots as I see them.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2753803]What's the deal with all of these profiles that I see of allegedly "mixed" women whose pictures are of women who are as white as rice? There are a ton of these types of profiles lately, at least in my corner of the universe. Virtually all of these "mixed race" profiles tend to be very recently established on the site and strike me as being as fake as the assertions of mixed blood being claimed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2754784]Let's be politically incorrect for a second.

In my experience, most of the girls who claim to be mixed, are actually black. If I'm being honest I think they mark mixed to not be weeded out by guys who don't dig black chicks so much. But they're clearly black.

I don't need to hear that you yourself love black chicks and the world is a rainbow. Just calling the shots as I see them.[/QUOTE]Did you actually read what I wrote? You certainly didn't comprehend it. I said that there are women marking themselves as "mixed" [B]who look white as rice[/B], and that there are a [B]lot[/B] of them with that kind of look doing it, raising my suspicions about those profiles as being fakes (along with other things I have come to view as fraud indicators). There's no way in hell anybody would look at them and view them as being "actually black" as you put it, thus subjecting them to being weeded out by guys who don't like black women. So, my question is why? What is going on here with these profiles? Why are they doing this? As for myself, and for your edification, I'm not sexually attracted to most black (or Asian) women. The Latinas and the white girls are the ones who float my boat. It's why I've paid any attention to these profiles in the first place. The women look "actually white" to me LOL! Here is an example of what I'm talking about. Does she look "actually black" to you? And there are plenty of others indicating "mixed" whose skin is as white as feta cheese! What's the deal? Doesn't pass the smell test. Something fishy going on here. Hmmm?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bf7d8858-d876-4179-9449-6cedbd948d26[/URL]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2754784]Let's be politically incorrect for a second.

In my experience, most of the girls who claim to be mixed, are actually black. If I'm being honest I think they mark mixed to not be weeded out by guys who don't dig black chicks so much. But they're clearly black.

I don't need to hear that you yourself love black chicks and the world is a rainbow. Just calling the shots as I see them.[/QUOTE]Well personally I think they are mixed. To me it's the silliest thing in the world that in the US if you have any black at all you are considered black. What nonsense. If a white guy and a black girl get together and have a kid that kid is mixed! African w N European say. To say they are black is patently silly. We don’t do this with any other ethnicity. Why this exception?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2754407]
To start with Shayla is officially my mistress. No more PPM. She's a kept woman. I pay for her place and she is the best girlfriend a guy could ever ask for. Didn't think I'the ever get to this level but 40 Seeking girls later I officially have a mistress.
[/QUOTE]I think it may just be a matter of semantics. What really makes a SB a mistress? Does a monthly allowance qualify? In Asian culture, guys with financial means usually tend to keep a mistress. They will pay for the girl's apartment plus monthly allowance, and will visit them when they feel like it. It sounds like the arrangement you currently have right now.

By the way, did your mistress made any request that you stay exclusive with her or maybe she's just okay with you meeting other girls?

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2754916]I think it may just be a matter of semantics. What really makes a SB a mistress? Does a monthly allowance qualify? In Asian culture, guys with financial means usually tend to keep a mistress. They will pay for the girl's apartment plus monthly allowance, and will visit them when they feel like it. It sounds like the arrangement you currently have right now.

By the way, did your mistress made any request that you stay exclusive with her or maybe she's just okay with you meeting other girls?[/QUOTE]Yeah I don't really know the definition. Point was we have moved to a new level in our relationship. Completely new territory for me. Including meeting up and just hanging out, because we can have sex some other day that week (once a week is enough for me on a regular basis). To be clear I don't pay her anything beyond her rent. No extra allowance. Tho I do treat her like a girlfriend like the TV broke and I bought a new one.

At some point I had the don't ask don't tell conversation with her. That I don't expect exclusivity — she has a life after all. But if she sees other guys I don't want to know about it. The presumption is this goes both ways. Don't ask don't tell.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2754909]Well personally I think they are mixed. To me it's the silliest thing in the world that in the US if you have any black at all you are considered black. What nonsense. If a white guy and a black girl get together and have a kid that kid is mixed! African w N European say. To say they are black is patently silly. We dont do this with any other ethnicity. Why this exception?[/QUOTE]I also think that they are mixed, but why are you guys assuming that the mix is between Black and White? The question they are answering as mixed is ethnicity. There are other ethnicities besides Black and White, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, Hispanic or Latino and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2754963]I also think that they are mixed, but why are you guys assuming that the mix is between Black and White? The question they are answering as mixed is ethnicity. There are other ethnicities besides Black and White, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, Hispanic or Latino and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander.[/QUOTE]It was AmericanPi who made that faulty assumption. For purposes of replying to his specific post on the matter only, I went with that, but obviously all kinds of "ethnic mix" is possible (and actually is). A broader point I make on it now is that so many of the profile pictures featuring supposedly "mixed" women are of women so white in their appearance that if they were trying to hide or deny something, as AmericanPi suggests, then why not just say they're white / Caucasian then? Because nobody would know any different based on their looks. They could "pass" without being questioned. Seems like I may have stirred up a hornet's nest here, but it was a serious inquiry about a phenomenon I'm seeing on SA. And I mean a lot! If it was like only a few profiles here and there OK. But I'm seeing a hell of a lot of them from women who claim to be living in my metro area (saying they're "mixed" but look like Marilyn Monroe LOL), and I was wondering if anybody else had noticed the same thing and had wondered about it like I have. That's all.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2754613]Well I do hate the word monger because it's a complete misuse of the word. Monger means to market / sell. And I'm buying not selling! So yeah def not a monger. But I like the term girl enthusiast and I think that describes me well.[/QUOTE]I always found the UK term "punter" intriguing. I don't know if it is considered very derogatory when used in the ISG sense.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2753806]I had an initial lunch date with a SB prospect. She had lots going for her. She told me she about her marriage, her kids, her interests and that she's allowed to play. Went parking for a while and trying to get things happening. Nothing felt natural at all. I dropped her back to her home and texted her after thanks but no thanks.

Maybe the swingers' game is different to the SB / SD game.[/QUOTE]I've thought back on this multiple times and my little head never encouraged me to make the move. There is usually a feeling that propels you forward to touch her, kiss her or pull her to you, either to be welcomed or rejected, but even that didn't happen. I literally had nothing at all. I've only felt this feeling with girls that I didn't find attractive. Perhaps there was something about her that really rubbed me the wrong way subconsciously? IDK.

I'll be in EU in the next few weeks and I intend to get the FKK experience under my belt. It sounds like it's something to try and from what I've read the girls can be sharks, the sex only okay, and the selection underwhelming; YMMV obv; it sounds super interesting, but at the same time I don't have high hopes. I'm a DFK dude that refuses to pay extra for it (hence why I default to SBs) There are only 2 days that can be used for FKK, so the mission will be to Penelope (near Essen) and Artemis (2 for comparison's sake). If you guys know of any FKKs near Essen that are more worth it than Penelope, I'm all ears and willing to travel about an hour.

The bonus is that I'll be starting the trip with a few days with Maria. Texts from her have become almost daily and she seems to be super excited with my return. TBH, I'm not quite sure where we sit? LOL. Great sex, she is ready to ditch the condoms and go on birth control (after a mutual std screening first) and she doesn't want cash and doesn't behave like an SB. It's almost as if she is behaving like a long distance GF that knows better than to outwardly apply the term, but has mentioned that we should be 1 on 1. I'm along for the ride and enjoying the scenery LOL.

The last SB that wanted to take things further wasn't able to handle the terms. I gave it a shot and made her aware that I will come and go as I please without a "need" to inform or involve. It sounds harsh, but that's why SBs are so awesome (and I won't have my moves influenced by an SB); there is a freedom that comes with privacy and she simply wasn't able to handle it. Maria, in this case seems to completely understand the terms and doesn't want anything from it. Like I mentioned, interesting and fun but each step forward is with caution.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2754943]Yeah I don't really know the definition. Point was we have moved to a new level in our relationship. Completely new territory for me. Including meeting up and just hanging out, because we can have sex some other day that week (once a week is enough for me on a regular basis). To be clear I don't pay her anything beyond her rent. No extra allowance. Tho I do treat her like a girlfriend like the TV broke and I bought a new one.

At some point I had the don't ask don't tell conversation with her. That I don't expect exclusivity she has a life after all. But if she sees other guys I don't want to know about it. The presumption is this goes both ways. Don't ask don't tell.[/QUOTE]As I wrote in an earlier post, I am also in uncharted waters and I got my camera out taking pictures and making sure not to miss the scenery LOL.

It's all about the experience and the act of exploration. It's awesome that in your travels you have found a girl with an unbelievable sex drive, especially when there are guys out there that have mediocre to bad sex their entire life LOL. That's what amazing about an arrangement / agreement. You define the rules from scratch (nothing pre-existing) and end up with a delightful game to play LOL. LOL. No one is misled, old school definitions can be thrown out the window (GF, mistress, etc) and you can just exist in the new f (x) that you have created.

I know you don't expect exclusivity and you mentioned don't ask don't tell, but are you okay with her having guys over in a place that you foot the bill for (just curious), or is it meaningless as long as you are given supreme priority, leagues above the rest, LOL?

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[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2755763]As I wrote in an earlier post, I am also in uncharted waters and I got my camera out taking pictures and making sure not to miss the scenery LOL.

It's all about the experience and the act of exploration. It's awesome that in your travels you have found a girl with an unbelievable sex drive, especially when there are guys out there that have mediocre to bad sex their entire life LOL. That's what amazing about an arrangement / agreement. You define the rules from scratch (nothing pre-existing) and end up with a delightful game to play LOL. LOL. No one is misled, old school definitions can be thrown out the window (GF, mistress, etc) and you can just exist in the new f (x) that you have created.

I know you don't expect exclusivity and you mentioned don't ask don't tell, but are you okay with her having guys over in a place that you foot the bill for (just curious), or is it meaningless as long as you are given supreme priority, leagues above the rest, LOL?

.02[/QUOTE]Yeah def having guys to her place (our place) is a line she should not cross. I've not said it but she surely knows that's a boundary to not cross. I have a key and usually let myself in if she doesn't answer right away. She's an interesting beast and it feels like she's exclusive because she's always available when I ask and she's says "stop by any time honey". In fact I saw her four times a week ago and then a couple times this week including passionate sex two different times this week. It's become much more organic. Def a great new adventure.

Its interesting what u say about the rules. About two weeks ago she was def lower prioritizing me relative to her friends and it felt weird. We are much more bfgf than SBSD so it didnt feel right to say Im paying so u need to do x. I just told her it made me really unhappy that she was prioritizing her friends above me. Well she damn well changed. Shes been all about me ever since. Im not saying its cuz she cares about me more. Shes a smart cookie and knows Im both a BF and a meal ticket. But it def worked to have a talk. All smiles and fucking ever since. The only complaint she has is when I have to cut our time to a couple hours and she begs me to sleepover all the time. First world problems!

Your first FKK!

It was life changing for me.

The first time. After that it's like your second time to Disneyland. Good but the magic doesn't have as much pixie dust.

Enjoy every minute. It's not often as adults you get true first times of things. And FKK is def a unique experience.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2755741]I've thought back on this multiple times and my little head never encouraged me to make the move. There is usually a feeling that propels you forward to touch her, kiss her or pull her to you, either to be welcomed or rejected, but even that didn't happen. I literally had nothing at all. I've only felt this feeling with girls that I didn't find attractive. Perhaps there was something about her that really rubbed me the wrong way subconsciously? IDK.

I'll be in EU in the next few weeks and I intend to get the FKK experience under my belt. It sounds like it's something to try and from what I've read the girls can be sharks, the sex only okay, and the selection underwhelming; YMMV obv; it sounds super interesting, but at the same time I don't have high hopes. I'm a DFK dude that refuses to pay extra for it (hence why I default to SBs) There are only 2 days that can be used for FKK, so the mission will be to Penelope (near Essen) and Artemis (2 for comparison's sake). If you guys know of any FKKs near Essen that are more worth it than Penelope, I'm all ears and willing to travel about an hour.

The bonus is that I'll be starting the trip with a few days with Maria. Texts from her have become almost daily and she seems to be super excited with my return. TBH, I'm not quite sure where we sit? LOL. Great sex, she is ready to ditch the condoms and go on birth control (after a mutual std screening first) and she doesn't want cash and doesn't behave like an SB. It's almost as if she is behaving like a long distance GF that knows better than to outwardly apply the term, but has mentioned that we should be 1 on 1. I'm along for the ride and enjoying the scenery LOL.

The last SB that wanted to take things further wasn't able to handle the terms. I gave it a shot and made her aware that I will come and go as I please without a "need" to inform or involve. It sounds harsh, but that's why SBs are so awesome (and I won't have my moves influenced by an SB); there is a freedom that comes with privacy and she simply wasn't able to handle it. Maria, in this case seems to completely understand the terms and doesn't want anything from it. Like I mentioned, interesting and fun but each step forward is with caution.[/QUOTE]

Want to ask my fellow Seekers something.

My best seeking experiences have been in major cities. Mexico City, Barcelona, New York, etc. Pretty sure this is because the pool is always being filled with new competition.

But I want to go to Eastern Europe.

Anyone themselves been to Eastern European markets with excellent supplies of Seekers?

Is London any good? (I'the assume it's expensive, like nyc, where my 350 dollar donation won't go far).

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2756575]Want to ask my fellow Seekers something.

My best seeking experiences have been in major cities. Mexico City, Barcelona, New York, etc. Pretty sure this is because the pool is always being filled with new competition.

But I want to go to Eastern Europe.

Anyone themselves been to Eastern European markets with excellent supplies of Seekers?

Is London any good? (I'the assume it's expensive, like nyc, where my 350 dollar donation won't go far).[/QUOTE]I've had good experiences in London. You should be able to find something at $350. Or maybe $400.

My last girl wanted 400 £ but we agreed 400 first time and 300 other times. That's like $330 or something.

Have two girls lined up for visit coming up. A Brazilian asked 600 £ and accepted 400 £. And a much more "college girl type" said 300 £ right out the gate and implied there was room to move but I didn't try because it's a good deal.

Looking for advice on where to go next, heading to Medellin in the next 2 weeks and I wanted to go to another country or 2 in Latin America before the year is over.

My criteria is great quality seeking girls, decent weather (not too hot), good food, and decent internet.

Currently considering:

Mexico.

Costa Rica.

Panama.

Peru.

Ecuador.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2756575]Want to ask my fellow Seekers something.

My best seeking experiences have been in major cities. Mexico City, Barcelona, New York, etc. Pretty sure this is because the pool is always being filled with new competition.

But I want to go to Eastern Europe.

Anyone themselves been to Eastern European markets with excellent supplies of Seekers?

Is London any good? (I'the assume it's expensive, like nyc, where my 350 dollar donation won't go far).[/QUOTE]If you want to try Eastern Europe, I lived in Warsaw for 2 years (returned one year ago) and had great experiences there. The supply is not as great as London or Mexico City but there are enough girls to have fun. During that time I usually paid anywhere between 400 zl to 800 zl (about 100 to 200 usd). With inflation it may require more now but I would say that you will be able to find some nice girl for 200-250 euro with no problems.

I was actually planning to return to visit some friends and I was thinking of flying from there to Riga and spend a few days there. So I have been doing some research and talked to a couple of girls. Here is what I got.

Megija (22) - 150 Euro per encounter (few hours).

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/10226791-7e33-4c35-a161-a4bcb974d501[/URL]

We have been sexting and she seems fun. She even has an free Onlyfans if you want to check some of her pictures (she sent me some naughty ones in Whatsapp).

[URL]https://onlyfans.com/madlenaxoxo[/URL]

Chanel (30) - We agreed in 400 Euro for the week (2-3 times).

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e6e0d554-7000-418c-935c-b8706f547d7a[/URL]

We have been chatting a lot. She seems legit.

Riga.

Interesting.

Had not considered there.

[QUOTE=EuropeanDmv75;2756664]If you want to try Eastern Europe, I lived in Warsaw for 2 years (returned one year ago) and had great experiences there. The supply is not as great as London or Mexico City but there are enough girls to have fun. During that time I usually paid anywhere between 400 zl to 800 zl (about 100 to 200 usd). With inflation it may require more now but I would say that you will be able to find some nice girl for 200-250 euro with no problems.

I was actually planning to return to visit some friends and I was thinking of flying from there to Riga and spend a few days there. So I have been doing some research and talked to a couple of girls. Here is what I got.
[/QUOTE]

I'm used to paying on the generous side and getting premium girls. Like 18-23, super cute.

You think 400 quid gets you that in London or at that point are you trading down to 7. 5's?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2756591]I've had good experiences in London. You should be able to find something at $350. Or maybe $400.

My last girl wanted 400 but we agreed 400 first time and 300 other times. That's like $330 or something.

Have two girls lined up for visit coming up. A Brazilian asked 600 and accepted 400 . And a much more "college girl type" said 300 right out the gate and implied there was room to move but I didn't try because it's a good deal.[/QUOTE]

I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.

So yeah I still love to go to the clubs and pick from the girl buffet. But damn. I am ruined for life with Shayla sex! 😋.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2757157]I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.

So yeah I still love to go to the clubs and pick from the girl buffet. But damn. I am ruined for life with Shayla sex! 😋.[/QUOTE]That's why people get married. You have found the secret of a happy life. Every one else is simply searching.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2757157]I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.

So yeah I still love to go to the clubs and pick from the girl buffet. But damn. I am ruined for life with Shayla sex! 😋.[/QUOTE]Steve I used to think the same. Now that I am hanging out in CDMX and MTY. Crazy sex is the norm. I mean almost no rules. I am rotating 5 or 6 college girls and they are all total freaks. All love Anal and Rimming, what more can I ask for.

MTY is cool, but I am not sure you would like MTY. I am sure you would love CDMX. I miss Europe, but I am so happy in Mexico, no need to travel overseas any more. I miss Russia, but that is not an option anytime soon, but I had already made the decision that I would not return prior to Covid. Give CDMX a shot.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2757157]I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.[/QUOTE]Steve, I have been on and off in this hobby for 30 or so years. I have done the Penthouse pet, Playboy bunny, the #1 escort on big doggie, the girls on the restaurant calendars, and been to every sex mecca save for Germany. At first, every time I got laid it was great. Then you start looking for better sex. You think the next one will be better than the last but often it was not so you repeat with a WG who was good looking and good in bed, and often it is better the second time than the first.

If you think about your life and performance, wouldn't you say money is a minimum motivator? That is when men say, "Well, he is going to have pay me a thousand dollars to do that" right? Then there is pride, and the best WGs have pride in their work, but you know when people say family is #1? What do they mean? IMO "Family is everything" transcends money and transcends pride because it is based upon duty and commitment and love for that person or group of people.

At some point, you are going to find a woman who is a top ten type in terms of looks and sexual performance, and the chances of getting better pussy the next time are crazy small. The reality is that if you are interested in better sex, you should try to go deeper with a top ten woman. If you are fucking for an ego / notch count, then you are going to move onto the next one but if you have been at it for a while and looking for great sex, you probably are going to be disappointed by the next one.

So it is a natural transgression for guys interested in better sex to move onto a sugar baby style relationship, and as everyone who has been a sugar daddy will tell you, the sex is usually way better with a SB than with a typical WG.

Thing is you really cannot tell guys about how being a sugar daddy is better. They kind of have to had their fill of the WGs.

But even with the sugar babies, particularly the American ones, the woman's character would finally show it self. The women would get too greedy, want the same for doing less, or just had mental health, drugs, or financial issues. The one SA American woman I met and I thought I would be more serious with was a hottie with a job and two kids. She was cute and great in bed and fun and then we went in her car one time. There would be some kind of alarm and she had to blow into a machine. Yeah, she had so many DUIs, a judge required her to take frequent and random breathalyzers. Sigh. And that was the best one I found in the USA.

So thing about paying for sex and seeing the WG is that it is an emotionally safe way to have sex. You do not need to know about breathalyzer alarms and there seemed to be always something like that (but maybe it was just the sample I was looking at). Whatever the case may be, the women abroad were IMO all in all of much higher quality character.

I guess the thing that is damaging about WG sex though is that you are training yourself to always be thinking to yourself it is sex for money. Always. The mantra with Colombian women here on ISG is the hot women all want young Colombian men their age. Okay, except I had a few calling me every night and had some making themselves sex videos for me. And when we do have sex, they secrete white cum I can see and smell and then they squirt so much they wet the bed.

Any monger who hears this usually says the same thing. Don't believe she likes you. She wants your money and all those orgasms were fake except I was there and whoever else was saying otherwise was not. It kept happening so much and so many women told me that they liked me that I actually started to say "Maybe they really do like me. " It was crazy how much reassurance I needed from women who said they liked me. Crazy. Again, it was easier and safer to just think all they wanted was my money.

And who says women want young guys anyway? I am more mature, wiser, better in bed, and more secure. I have so much more to offer women now than in my 20's so why would the women want these guys in their 20's, these millennial types? Ugh.

That is what is destructive about seeing WG, maybe the most destructive of all: you train yourself to think that all women are the same and only interested in money and you convince yourself that is all you have to offer.

For me, all the marriage stuff and I am a one woman guy was just bullshit fed to men to follow. I am not sure the men really believed it but after getting married they would have kids and it was the love for their kids and not their wives that kept men from straying. It was IMO kind of a dirty trick.

Unlike when I first got married, I know I can fuck women who are as hot on the planet as there are. I am choosing not to now, and the reason like you just said Steve is the sex will not be as good. When you have a top ten girl in terms of looks and performance and you go deeper, you get to the ultimate motivator. She acts like you are family.

I am sure people may have said I was a sex addict or pleasure freak or whatever but I just had a strong desire to have my sexual wants and needs met. In this one area of my life, until now, I really was not that satisfied. I do not want to see other women because the sex probably will not be as good.

For what it is worth, outside of the guys like yourself Steve, I am not sure anyone else has been on this journey. Maybe some rock stars or athletes have been, but they are not going to talk about it.

I have to keep this part of my life hidden but I really wish other guys could really know and understand what I have been through with my sex life and really get IMO what it is like to really be able to have all the different kinds of sex and women you want.

I know I am not missing anything anymore.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2757215]Steve I used to think the same. Now that I am hanging out in CDMX and MTY. Crazy sex is the norm. I mean almost no rules. I am rotating 5 or 6 college girls and they are all total freaks. All love Anal and Rimming, what more can I ask for.

MTY is cool, but I am not sure you would like MTY. I am sure you would love CDMX. I miss Europe, but I am so happy in Mexico, no need to travel overseas any more. I miss Russia, but that is not an option anytime soon, but I had already made the decision that I would not return prior to Covid. Give CDMX a shot.[/QUOTE]Actually you know you are right. I think what I am actually describing is 20% Shayla connection and 80% the difference between a pro vs a seeking girl you really get on with. Now that I think about it, Kayla and Mika were 80% as good. And a few others very very good also. The real comparison is a Seeking girl who you establish comfort with vs a pro. There really is no contest. Tho I can think back to Diva girls who have amazing BBBJ. Much better than what I found in Austria, Germany, or Costa del Sol.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2757382]Actually you know you are right. I think what I am actually describing is 20% Shayla connection and 80% the difference between a pro vs a seeking girl you really get on with. Now that I think about it, Kayla and Mika were 80% as good. And a few others very very good also. The real comparison is a Seeking girl who you establish comfort with vs a pro. There really is no contest. Tho I can think back to Diva girls who have amazing BBBJ. Much better than what I found in Austria, Germany, or Costa del Sol.[/QUOTE]Doh almost forgot my duo with two totally newbie college girls in Cinci who were true lesbian lovers. That was the most epic sex on planet earth. BJ while DFK. Double BJ — one on balls and one on shaft. Fucking one doggie while she two fingers her friend in a frenzy. Learned a ton about female anatomy that night! 😂 That was true epic sex. No emotional connection whatsoever with me. Tons with each other. And of course Seeking for the win once again!

I'm in the process of reading through this forum as I usually post in the city thread. But my question is, what kinds of rates are you guys being quoted these days in Medellin? Over the past couple years I'd typically find girls quoting 350 k to 450 k in Cali and Barranquilla. I could usually talk them down to 300 k + propina and that worked out great, sometimes for TLN after the first trist with BBBJ and covered sex standard.

The rub is that I'm back in Medellin and using SA here after a 2 year hiatus. The women, many of whom are students, are asking 650 k to 700 k and many hinting at covered for everything. I'm countering with 400 k and met with silence. I'm a clean cut athletic guy in his early 40's, so I don't think they're concerned about my appearance or hygiene. Has it really gotten that expensive out there? I know the exchange is 5 k COP: 1 USD, so prices are going up, but have been very surprised.

The funny thing is that the Facebook girls have only upped their prices by 50 k or so (good ones for 300 k + propina), the Mileroticos girls are still 200 k or so, and I think short time in the casas is still 80 k to 140 k or so depending on place. It's just very odd that SA is so much more. Unsure if it's the OnlyFans dynamic and some of these girls being flown to Europe and Dubai by rich guys or what!

I appreciate the insight of others!

-Chicago.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2757807]I'm in the process of reading through this forum as I usually post in the city thread. But my question is, what kinds of rates are you guys being quoted these days in Medellin? Over the past couple years I'd typically find girls quoting 350 k to 450 k in Cali and Barranquilla. I could usually talk them down to 300 k + propina and that worked out great, sometimes for TLN after the first trist with BBBJ and covered sex standard.

The rub is that I'm back in Medellin and using SA here after a 2 year hiatus. The women, many of whom are students, are asking 650 k to 700 k and many hinting at covered for everything. I'm countering with 400 k and met with silence. I'm a clean cut athletic guy in his early 40's, so I don't think they're concerned about my appearance or hygiene. Has it really gotten that expensive out there? I know the exchange is 5 k COP: 1 USD, so prices are going up, but have been very surprised..[/QUOTE]Chicago, when you mention COP, I kind of go into a tail spin because 3000 COP used to be close to a $100 and is now $60. When I was there, another monger was paying 200 k which now is $40.

I paid from $80 to $140 and almost all girls were bare, and the average was $100. That $140 sounds outrageous at 700 k but the girl was smoking hot, let me go bare for hours at a time, and she was very skilled.

There was one hot girl in Medellin I paid $75 and went bare with her and later she bitched about how little I paid her. If I gave the women $100, there was no bitching and everyone was willing to repeat.

If you ask this on the Medellin forum where the centro rats live, make sure to cut whatever you paid in half or they will have seizures. But if you just pay $100, whatever the exchange rate, you should not have any trouble.

And I am so sick of the Medellin guys bitching about others "overpaying". You should not be doing SA if $100 is a lot of money to you. It is apples to oranges. The quality of women I was getting in Colombia for $100 was outrageously cheap, and it would be 5 X that in the USA or more.

If you want $10 or $20 pussy, sure go to Centro in Medellin or Santa Fe in Bogota, but every guy who criticized me for paying $100 for a SA girl had never used the service themselves. We are not in competition with them for their WGs, but those idiots think we are. Fuck them. Do not buy into their penny pitching habits. For us, $25 is nothing. For the women, it is a ton.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2757215]Steve I used to think the same. Now that I am hanging out in CDMX and MTY. Crazy sex is the norm. I mean almost no rules. I am rotating 5 or 6 college girls and they are all total freaks. All love Anal and Rimming, what more can I ask for.

MTY is cool, but I am not sure you would like MTY. I am sure you would love CDMX. I miss Europe, but I am so happy in Mexico, no need to travel overseas any more. I miss Russia, but that is not an option anytime soon, but I had already made the decision that I would not return prior to Covid. Give CDMX a shot.[/QUOTE]DF, you have an interesting take on the one versus many issue, and I am not advocating for either way. Being with five women versus one sexually is more fun, and it prevents the sex from getting tiresome for sure, and it almost always is exciting.

The hard part is how many women are really worthy of commitment. What I mean is how many women are there really who are not going to let you carry all the weight of the relationship? All this feminine bullshit aside, I am in an industry where the pay is set by third parties including government, and the government sure as hell is not paying men more then women. Still, men make more because they take on the harder jobs and work longer hours. The issue I have found is women do not want to be treated like WGs but often they act just like them if not worse.

So finding someone attractive, good in the sack, and who wants to contribute to a relationship sadly is so rare for most guys it is not an issue. It is best to keep 5 women around and if one acts up, you boot her and move on to another.

What is different with you and Steve is he is married and the benefit of you going deep with one women are really not going to benefit married men. With a married guy, a woman is going to perform possibly really well, but there is a piece of her that she is going to hold back. I know married guys do not want to hear that but it is true. Yeah, you can not tell women you are married or lie to them but if they find out and they do invest their heart in you, they are probably going to move on when they learned you lied to them. What I am getting at though is when an extremely talented and hot woman totally gives herself to you and trusts you that is the best sex there is.

And married guys have a legitimate relationship they can always go to. Single guys do not, and you think it does not wear on you but it does. Even if you try to make it out that the women are not WGs, and you like them, the WG image with your five or so women does bubble up from time to time. And the women know you are seeing other women and may say they are okay with it, but they would all prefer to just be with one guy because of the stigma it puts on them. If they got bills to pay, and you are spending money on other women, that can be hard for them to take.

Also, you have to hide what you are doing from your family and friends to some degree and to customs to some degree. Mr. E says he tells customs when he was in Colombia he went for pussy but I think that is a bad idea. Like with the women thinking they are WGs, I would tell myself, "Eh, it is not that big of a deal", but it adds weight. Men are always saying they can handle stuff and handle the stress, but often, I notice what a weight it is when the pressure and stress are no longer there.

And it has been a relief not to hide what I was doing. Instead of saying I am going to Mexico or Colombia for an unknown reason, I can tell everyone I am seeing my GF. I have not had to hide from family and friends what I have been doing, and there have been connections made between my family and friends and hers. We are driven by sex so you might not think this matters, but it has mattered to me. There is a kind of stress and shame when you going up against societal norms, even though we deny there is, and it has been nice to have that gone.

I am not saying one way is better than the other, and no guy should go the route of one woman only just to do it. There are just too few women especially today worthy of commitment. A guy's happiness is way more important than societal norms. I just wanted to bring up the pluses and minuses as I have seen them of having five women versus one.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2757838]Chicago, when you mention COP, I kind of go into a tail spin because 3000 COP used to be close to a $100 and is now $60. When I was there, another monger was paying 200 k which now is $40.

I paid from $80 to $140 and almost all girls were bare, and the average was $100. That $140 sounds outrageous at 700 k but the girl was smoking hot, let me go bare for hours at a time, and she was very skilled.

There was one hot girl in Medellin I paid $75 and went bare with her and later she bitched about how little I paid her. If I gave the women $100, there was no bitching and everyone was willing to repeat.

If you ask this on the Medellin forum where the centro rats live, make sure to cut whatever you paid in half or they will have seizures. But if you just pay $100, whatever the exchange rate, you should not have any trouble.

And I am so sick of the Medellin guys bitching about others "overpaying". You should not be doing SA if $100 is a lot of money to you. It is apples to oranges. The quality of women I was getting in Colombia for $100 was outrageously cheap, and it would be 5 X that in the USA or more..[/QUOTE]Thank you very much Elvis. I appreciate your depth of insight here as well as on the Medelln forum and agree that guys are often comparing apples to oranges (and even bananas sometimes). $100 is not a lot of money for me, but I unfortunately have that ingrained Midwestern trait of wanting to get value for what I pay LOL. Of course doing bareback, multiple pops, and the girl being gorgeous is worth all of that (and up to $140). I'm also here for 3 weeks on this trip so was trying to be thoughtful in feeling 'the goring rate' out first. I was in Panama City a few weeks back and paying $100 to $140 there and felt fine as it was 'the going rate'. Very hot women too.

Since I wrote one girl came back and was fine with 300 k, but still waiting on the others. I think I'll try 400 k with them as you suggest and for a couple of the really hot ones that I haven't discussed price with yet will propose 500 k ($100). There are a few that are older and very into that game that I just know to avoid... one well travelled prepago from Costa Risa suggested that we do a Guatape helicopter tour, mountain top dinner, and I pay for TLN on the first date as an 'exclusive romantic package' (crazy).

Some part of it may also be that it's earlier in the week. I've found girls become much more communicative towards the weekend as they arrange their plans and try to fit in a trick.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2757838]Chicago, when you mention COP, I kind of go into a tail spin because 3000 COP used to be close to a $100 and is now $60. When I was there, another monger was paying 200 k which now is $40.

I paid from $80 to $140 and almost all girls were bare, and the average was $100. That $140 sounds outrageous at 700 k but the girl was smoking hot, let me go bare for hours at a time, and she was very skilled.

There was one hot girl in Medellin I paid $75 and went bare with her and later she bitched about how little I paid her. If I gave the women $100, there was no bitching and everyone was willing to repeat.

If you ask this on the Medellin forum where the centro rats live, make sure to cut whatever you paid in half or they will have seizures. But if you just pay $100, whatever the exchange rate, you should not have any trouble.

And I am so sick of the Medellin guys bitching about others "overpaying". You should not be doing SA if $100 is a lot of money to you. It is apples to oranges. The quality of women I was getting in Colombia for $100 was outrageously cheap, and it would be 5 X that in the USA or more.

If you want $10 or $20 pussy, sure go to Centro in Medellin or Santa Fe in Bogota, but every guy who criticized me for paying $100 for a SA girl had never used the service themselves. We are not in competition with them for their WGs, but those idiots think we are. Fuck them. Do not buy into their penny pitching habits. For us, $25 is nothing. For the women, it is a ton.[/QUOTE]Elvis, so true, those guys on the MDE page complain about everything. I think if the sex was free, they would still complain. Good luck in MDE, remember safely first, MDE can be dangerous. You can read my thoughts about MDE, they are not good, I will leave it that.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2757807]I'm in the process of reading through this forum as I usually post in the city thread. But my question is, what kinds of rates are you guys being quoted these days in Medellin? Over the past couple years I'd typically find girls quoting 350 k to 450 k in Cali and Barranquilla. I could usually talk them down to 300 k + propina and that worked out great, sometimes for TLN after the first trist with BBBJ and covered sex standard.

The rub is that I'm back in Medellin and using SA here after a 2 year hiatus. The women, many of whom are students, are asking 650 k to 700 k and many hinting at covered for everything. I'm countering with 400 k and met with silence. I'm a clean cut athletic guy in his early 40's, so I don't think they're concerned about my appearance or hygiene. Has it really gotten that expensive out there? I know the exchange is 5 k COP: 1 USD, so prices are going up, but have been very surprised.

The funny thing is that the Facebook girls have only upped their prices by 50 k or so (good ones for 300 k + propina), the Mileroticos girls are still 200 k or so, and I think short time in the casas is still 80 k to 140 k or so depending on place. It's just very odd that SA is so much more. Unsure if it's the OnlyFans dynamic and some of these girls being flown to Europe and Dubai by rich guys or what!

I appreciate the insight of others!

-Chicago.[/QUOTE]I have normally been paying 350 k for 3-4 hour dates, and 400 k to 500 k for TLN. I always try to keep it around $100 or below, this is my comfortable budget and like Elvis said, most girls wouldn't complain. Of course, I also have other costs, like taxis, restaurants, etc but I don't really care about them, since having a great time is my priority, and going out in MDE is really affordable even if you go to a high end venue. I like value too, this is why I prefer MDE over CDMX, because in CDMX similar quality girls are double that rate.

Occasionally, I get quoted 600 k to 1 million COP, but usually pass because I don't like when girls quote me numbers, I'm not interested in hardened pros or spoiled hookers. When it comes down to price negotiation, I give them my comfortable range, take it or leave it. Read my recent post in the Bogota thread about it.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2757930]I have normally been paying 350 k for 3-4 hour dates, and 400 k to 500 k for TLN. I always try to keep it around $100 or below, this is my comfortable budget and like Elvis said, most girls wouldn't complain. Of course, I also have other costs, like taxis, restaurants, etc but I don't really care about them, since having a great time is my priority, and going out in MDE is really affordable even if you go to a high end venue. I like value too, this is why I prefer MDE over CDMX, because in CDMX similar quality girls are double that rate.

Occasionally, I get quoted 600 k to 1 million COP, but usually pass because I don't like when girls quote me numbers, I'm not interested in hardened pros or spoiled hookers. When it comes down to price negotiation, I give them my comfortable range, take it or leave it. Read my recent post in the Bogota thread about it.[/QUOTE]I am not going to argue that MDE is cheaper then CDMX, but for me time is money. The girls I deal with are on time for the most part or at least let me know when they will be late. The girls is CDMX that I am meeting on SA are definitely smarter, less drama and more honest then the Colombian girls.

There is absolutely no issues with Drugs or Violence in CDMX unless you go looking for it. Also, I do not have to deal with all the low end sex tourist in Colombia. Not to mention the shitty music and food in Colombia. Both places have attractive girls.

Had Google Fi for a few trips now. It's magic. Worth every penny of $73/ month. Works everywhere. Unlimited data. So refreshing vs trying to get local SIM or get by from hotspot to hotspot (not recommended! Def check out Google FI if good comms with girls when you travel is important. Couldn't be happier.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2758079]Had Google Fi for a few trips now. It's magic. Worth every penny of $73/ month. Works everywhere. Unlimited data. So refreshing vs trying to get local SIM or get by from hotspot to hotspot (not recommended! Def check out Google FI if good comms with girls when you travel is important. Couldn't be happier.[/QUOTE]I have a cheap Motorola phone with Google Fi I use as a backup for years, but you do have to activate the SIM card in the USA. And Steve, you are maxing out your data usage. If you use less data, it is even cheaper per month.

When women buy a phone, the #1 thing with them is the camera on the phone. That usually means they want an Iphone, but it is just because the women do not know about the Google Pixel. There is a tech podcast I have been listening to for years and the guy on there is like everyone he knows has a Google Pixel phone because techies know how good and cheap they are in comparison to the Iphone, but Samsung is way more popular to the general population. Like Google Fi, it is just not that advertised, and the Pixel phone really is not sold in third world countries: [URL]https://9to5google.com/2022/10/06/pixel-7-countries/[/URL].

But even though the phones are not sold there, they work just fine anywhere in the world especially if you have Google Fi.

I bought my gal a Pixel 3 XL on Ebay for $150 and she says it takes better photos than the Iphone. And right now, Amazon is selling a brank new Pixel 6 A, which takes amazing photos, for $299.

I had two women I chatted with on seeking who were on the site and lived in Colombia entirely to get a phone, and they were totally uninterested in anything but an Iphone. In hindsight, I do not think the shopping trips and gift giving amounted to any benefit with the women I was seeing, and I do not recommend doing it, but I would consider giving the women a pixel so they could communicate with me and take nice photos of themselves. Pixels are cheap phones that take amazing photos and not that many people know about them.

So after a string of 8 girls in four days in Austria and Spain at the clubs, I got to squeeze in a single night in London. And I wanted the true GFE that only a real deal Seeking girl can provide. And boy did I find it!

I wound it down with Sarah after our last visit a few weeks ago. I felt kinda bad but we're not so sexually compatible (she's super tight and not so wet and I'm thick so sometimes we fail to have lift off!) and she wanted to Netflix and chill vs go dance. What's up with these girls?

Anyhow I started looking again and had some good prospects. Had been in tight contact with a Brasileira who asked 600 but accepted 400 and with Talita who was more girlfriendy and said it doesn't matter too much but 300 would be nice.

Honestly it wasn't the dollars but the attitude both on that topic and the generally daily girlfriendy chat that Talita kept rolling during the final weeks before meetup. So two days before my visit I let the Brasileira drop and went all in on Talita. I was unsure if choosing chemistry over looks would work out (I adore the brasileira look and Talita was highly variable across a handful of pics) but it was the right call for sure. And she turned out to be a 8.5! Pleasant surprise.

We met up at a small Italian restaurant in a toney part of London. Great food. Great service. And we hit it off from the getgo. Chatting came effortlessly and before we knew it we were alone and the chairs being put up (we ran 20 minutes past closing time). So we went walking in the direction of my favorite Soho dance bar.

I escalated a little with arm around her from time to time. And in the club we sat on the same side of booth which increased the intimacy. After one drink I said "want to catch an Uber" and she was down.

We had a Fuckton of difficulty getting an Uber or a cab. But a helpful pedicab guy said over near picadilly is best and we did finally score one. London cabs are the best. Like being on a couch together. Got much more flirty and friendly and my hand on her leg stroking gently the whole 20 min ride.

Up in the room not too much pretense. I think we had mutual chemistry and she was down to fuck. We put on some tunes and started making out. This is definitely one of the best things about Seeking girls it's like real life. In the club there's either no kissing or you pay for some simulation (I've stopped doing that) whereas with a hot 21 year old (she just turned in June) they want to kiss as much as you do!

I push her on her back on the bed and climb on top on all fours and start making out hard and pushing my dick up against her. I can tell she likes being dominated. She's got on a turtleneck but I push up the bottom and find a lovely black bra and pierced nipples just underneath. Her nipples are VERY sensitive but in a good way. So as I lick and suck them deep she starts moaning and grinding.

I slide a bit lower and start to tease her, licking and kissing her belly and at her belt line. I can tell I have her going. I massage her clit a bit through her pants. And then I rear up and start undoing her button and zipper. It's here I learn that she is not shy flower. She is looking me straight in the eye with unbridled lust as I strip her pants and panties off.

I'm a going to give myself an A+ for pussy work. I was feeling inspired and created a masterpiece. Clit licking and swirling and sucking. One finger in and out. Gspot stroking. Two fingers. Round the world clit massage. Gspot with fingers clit with tongue. You name it. I had her shaking like a leaf.

After letting her recover a bit she went down on me. I won't say her BJ is the best but it's adequate. And I get good and hard. It's amazing to see her tight little body going down on me. she can't be more than 90 pounds.

But I can't stand not feeling that pussy. So I swing her into 69. I am def better than she is LOL. But mutual pleasuring is so satisfying.

At one point she's straddling my stomach facing away from me and OMG her butt looks and feels amazing and she's just playing with my dick. And goddamn I want to fuck her so bad It hurts. So I do!

We suit up (May not have to next time) and I go in mish. She's really tight but not problematically so. And damn we go at it. Kissing deep while fucking mish. A fave. All the usual positions and strong pounding. Maybe 30-40 minutes since we started kissing. Then she mounts up on top. A vision. Hard worker but not feeling the build. In fact I have to pee. Goddamn it!

After short break I am not sure if I can crank her up again. But that's on me. So I do. Kissing. Tits. Pussy worship. And man she gets worked up. She has her hardest orgasm this time while I'm finger fucking her with two fingers. She's indicating harder and faster and frankly I am fucking the life out of her. I saw this with the lesbian duo. Some girls really love a deep hard finger fucking and this girl surely does.

Of course we then replace the fingers with something more suitable and then fuck some more. She says doggie is her fave so I give her s good pounding with her smiling over her shoulder, sometimes beckoning for a kiss which I oblige.

Well after tons of fucking (prob 1. 5 hrs total time?) still don't quite get there but we work it out. I lie on my back and start working my shaft and ask her to get on balls. I can tell she's a little tired honestly but she's a trooper. What she does instead is sit on my feet and start acting ridiculously sexy looking into my eyes. Sucking her finger. Getting it wet and making lazy nipple circles. Leaning forward to drool on my cock or give a few tongue taps under the head. More sexy tits and nipples while slip sliding my soaked balls with her hands and fingers and bam! Liftoff!

Wow. A true night of GFE. Wonderful chatty dinner. Arm around. Physical escalation to a crescendo. Dominance. Deep and meaningful kissing. Pussy work till she can honestly hardly walk. No lie. Great fucking. Doe eyes. Sexy AF. The whole package.

Seeking for the win win win!

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2757986]I am not going to argue that MDE is cheaper then CDMX, but for me time is money. The girls I deal with are on time for the most part or at least let me know when they will be late. The girls is CDMX that I am meeting on SA are definitely smarter, less drama and more honest then the Colombian girls.

There is absolutely no issues with Drugs or Violence in CDMX unless you go looking for it. Also, I do not have to deal with all the low end sex tourist in Colombia. Not to mention the shitty music and food in Colombia. Both places have attractive girls.[/QUOTE]I'm sure if I bump my budget 2 x-3 x, up to 1 million cop, or more, the girls will be always on time and less drama LOL.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2758194]I'm sure if I bump my budget 2 x-3 x, up to 1 million cop, or more, the girls will be always on time and less drama LOL.[/QUOTE]Time is money. I am glad to pay a little more, to eliminate a lot of the be. S.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2757884] I unfortunately have that ingrained Midwestern trait of wanting to get value for what I pay LOL. Of course doing bareback, multiple pops, and the girl being gorgeous is worth all of that (and up to $140). I'm also here for 3 weeks on this trip so was trying to be thoughtful in feeling 'the goring rate' out first.

Some part of it may also be that it's earlier in the week. I've found girls become much more communicative towards the weekend as they arrange their plans and try to fit in a trick.[/QUOTE]I am also (originally) from Chi Town / NW Indiana. And will be in Colombia for 3 weeks (maybe more) starting Thanksgiving. In the past I paid girls (who asked) what they asked for. Way more than anyone on the Medellin board would want to hear about. Now my concern is which girls to see on this next trip. One thinks she is in love. LOL.

SA banned me around 6 months ago. But I ran out of time to contact all the numbers I had saved. I still would like to get back on and see who is available.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2757846]DF, you have an interesting take on the one versus many issue,
I am not saying one way is better than the other, and no guy should go the route of one woman only just to do it. There are just too few women especially today worthy of commitment. A guy's happiness is way more important than societal norms. I just wanted to bring up the pluses and minuses as I have seen them of having five women versus one.

e.[/QUOTE]Few if any single guys get to have these choices. Elvis, Drama & few others. Few if any could meet the kind of girls (women) that would be potential "Soul / Sex mates" except for SA. IMHO 6 years ago I discovered ISG & SA about the same time. Then I was living in Baja close to HKTJ and at first I thought these guys are all sicko, perverts and womanizers. Well now here I am. For me (maybe it's an excuse) I figure between my age and my career (I do erotic art sort of) LOL I feel the girls I've met deserve more than I can afford of my time. Attention and feelings. So having fresh horses to carry me to the finish line (pun intended) at this stage seems FANTASTIC! But having just one is still a little scary. Good Luck guys and tell me how things work out in Medellin 4 you Chicago.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2758079]Had Google Fi for a few trips now. It's magic. Worth every penny of $73/ month. Works everywhere. Unlimited data. So refreshing vs trying to get local SIM or get by from hotspot to hotspot (not recommended! Def check out Google FI if good comms with girls when you travel is important. Couldn't be happier.[/QUOTE]One thing you do have to watch out for with Google Fi, is that eventually they will disable the data service, if you are outside of the US for too long. Apparently it is in the Terms of Service that although they offer free international data roaming, it is not intended to be done on a regular basis. That is, for vacations or short trips, you should be fine. But for longer stays, they can potentially discontinue your service, and you will still be charged for your plan, but unable to use it.

This year I stayed in Colombia for three months, and the phone worked perfect for the first two months. In the third month I received the following message:

"As a reminder, Fi's Terms of Service require you to use our service primarily in the United States (territories not included), and it looks like you've been predominantly using Fi abroad. In 30 days, we'll need to suspend your international roaming data capabilities unless you start using Fi in the United States again (territories not included). Your calls and texts will not be impacted."

Fortunately, my was trip ending in less than 30 days, so using the phone in the US again was not a problem. But next year I plan on traveling for nine months, so it may be problematic. I plan to use local SIMs to supplement my Fi plan, with the hope that low data usage will lead them to not turn off data while I am traveling. (Note: You can still use data while on WiFi, you just won't be able to use data over mobile networks.).

In any case, just a caveat to keep in mind, for those of you doing prolonged stays. Otherwise, Google Fi has worked great for me.

Was reading in another thread where some guys said that guys don't disclose how much work Seeking is or that there are failures amid the successes. Thought I would catalog my 2022 thus far on Seeking with the following caveats:

1. It is a shit ton of work and I put in the time to search, find, chat up, and groom the hotties.

2. I am very good at the game having played it for three years now.

3. I am above average in height, looks (for my age), and charisma.

4. Once you hook a baby you can go back to her months or years later and it's all good. Just fire it back up!

5. It's expensive in the US. Most girls below were 400-500.

Here is the chronology of my Seeking girls THIS YEAR. The good the bad and the ugly. By far good to great. I always give them fake names in my reports here and I can't always remember what I called them so sometimes I may say Girl 5 or something below.

Shayla First girl of the year and best girl of the year. We started out slow and became more and more regular and passionate. She's now officially my mistress. I pay for her place and see her whenever I want. No PPM. Great girl. The best. Def smitten and a little in love.

Layla First saw her in 2020. She was my regular girl for 6-9 months. Seen her a couple times since. She texts and says want to fuck and who am I to say no. 😂 Solid girl. Worth seeing.

Liz First saw her in 2019. We were quick suck and fuck back then but became real friends and lovers whenever in town. But she has a boyfriend now and moved on. Solid girl. Ton of fun.

Kayla This was my Florida girl that I saw monthly in 2021. Happened to get an overnight on way to Medellin and we enjoyed each other overnight. Really quality girl. 10 body.

Nyla 1 Tried this girl when Kayla was acting like the old ball and chain. Goes to show these girls can be naive and emotionally invested. She cried when she found out I was married. But we fucked an hour later. LOL. Not my finest Seeking hour. This girl was fat. No way to sugar coat it. But damn she likes to fuck and suck.

Lucia. Buenos Aires. Drop dead full on 10. Only one ever for me. Sex was mediocre but still a win. OMG.

Meli Buenos Aires. Wow. Hot girl. Big tits. Enthusiastic and fun. No regrets.

Nyla 2 - Last minute snag with the "I'm going out you coming" approach. Beautiful college girl. Super time.

Lei. Actual model / actress no lie. Bit of a flake. Had a great time but she stung me for $700 (in addition to 700 ppm! So this was def a fail in the end. But soooo fun the one night we had.

Alexa My longest standing SB. From 2019. I've flown her to Miami and seen her in Vegas. Adore this girl. Will see her whenever wherever she wants.

Sarah Fun and smart girl. Flew her to Europe from London. Great time but faded. Have a new London girl now.

Maria Only full on failure this year. Nice dinner but she clearly didn't want to fuck me. Had a quick fuck NOT to completion and got her the fuck out. Yes. Bad experiences do happen even to me.

Malo. Copenhagen- last minute score. Nice enough banter. Heavy girl. Mediocre sex. Not quite a fail but def not a win either.

Talita. New London girl. Subject of recent report. Wowza. Great fun. Great attitude. Great sex. Great price. Will repeat!

So there you have it. With all the caveats. By my tally out of 14 experiences this year, 11 were good to great, 2 were mediocre, and one was an utter fail. As I wrote this down I was surprised how many are repeats. Five girls I had met in 2019-2021! So going to have to say that is another strong point for SA. Once you make a "girlfriend" you can have her off and on again for quite some time. A girl in every port so to speak!

Ps All girls were dinner and straight to room first night (Shayla was in second date for logistical reasons). No coffee dates. All girls were 22-24. Believe Alexa is 25 now and Layla 26.

So thinking about this past year and predominately wins and home runs, I got to thinking it might be useful to the team to examine the losses and could they be avoided. Here are my thoughts:

Nyla1 - Not really a loss because we had a lovely dinner and we fucked bareback that night and next morning and had a lovely sleep together and she's a truly sweet, if immature, girl. But I don't like paying top dollar for fat chicks. So could this have been avoided? Yes and no.

In the lead up I could tell she was thick. But I've thought that before and been totally wrong. I thought Kayla might be thick and damn she has a perfect 10 body. Camera lies in so many ways. So I don't regret going on the date.

Then at dinner it was obvious she was fat. Not thick. Fat. I coulda for sure pulled the plug after dinner and no $$ spent. Maybe I'm too nice a guy but I don't really want to whack her already fragile self esteem so I figure let's ride it out and see how it goes. And honestly it went fine. She can use $400 way more than me and we honestly had a nice time.

My advice? Fuck some fat girls. As long as you take Viagra you are not going to have any problem staying hard. They really do try harder. And they can be very nice girls. It's not so bad once you put a couple behind you. It's not what I seek but it's not half bad once you get used to it.

Malo — Same basic story. A lot fatter in person but not a big as Nyla1. Chemistry was meh at dinner and coulda bailed. I guess I'the rather go fuck and see how it goes than just bail and never know. I mean the Nyla thing was fine in the end. Sex with Malo was very perfunctory and meh so, worth a tumble but not a win.

Lei — This was a success on so many levels but a monetary fail. The vibe and sex and daddy daughter role play (with a legit actress!) was amazing. Fuck I really liked this girl. But the lesson — which we all know and sometimes forget— never send money ahead. No matter what. And when you get gold digger vibes they are probably right. Don't ignore them. Go with girls that are not always asking for money (first sign was she asked for plane ticket money to Coachella before we even met! I said no, but that was big red flag). That said I do not regret meeting and fucking her. I wa smitten and it was amazing while it lasted (5 hrs LOL) and fortunately $$ are not a big issue for me.

Maria — The full on fail. Honestly there was no way to avoid this on the lead up. She was super chatty and girlfriendy for like 6 weeks prior. Chatting all the time. Great girl. Exactly the kinda girl I hit home runs with. So no chance for a save there.

At dinner was my first potential chance to bail. She was gorgeous but something felt off on chemistry. Why was I not dying to fuck her? Clearly a 9 on looks and totally my type. But something about her demeanor was off putting. I realize in retrospect that she was not into me at all and that probably showed thru.

Walking to hotel she says "I'm not going to fuck you" and I say that's OK let's just go up and see what happens. I've had success with seduction before but when she used those exact very explicit words prob red flag should have triggered. But def why not take a 9 to your room and try to fuck her.

Same red flag again in room. I start the seduction and she says she wants to talk money first. She wants $400 and this was in Spain so clearly this is the I don't want to fuck you price. She says no BJ. I shoulda kicked her out. That was last red flag. Fail fail fail Steve. Just kick her out. Instead we fuck for a bit — it's very lame. And I send her packing with a very generous $200. Unlike Nyla where I overspent $400 on a fat chick I felt good about that. Made her happy. Had good sex. All good really. Whereas this just felt cheap dirty and used. Fail.

So I guess the summary of actions I could and should have taken. Never never ever ever send money ahead. Even when you think you know them. And if I girl gives you the "I don't want to fuck you" price and no BJ — it ain't going to be good. Kick her out right then. Cut your losses. Other than that don't guess I'the change a thing.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2760582]My advice? Fuck some fat girls. As long as you take Viagra you are not going to have any problem staying hard. They really do try harder. And they can be very nice girls. It's not so bad once you put a couple behind you. It's not what I seek but it's not half bad once you get used to it.
[/QUOTE]Life is too short to be with Fat girls. Promptly dismiss at the restaurant and say, "Sorry, you are not my type" and walk away. Unless you want a BJ from a fat girl. And my car will not let fat girls inside, it will scrape on the ground. End of subject.

Seeking girl I met few weeks ago. In her pics she was thick, but good thick. Pics at the gym and stuff.

Real life she's more like 20 pounds overweight. At five feet tall.

First words she said: "am I like my pictures? Am I what you thought?

Me in my mind: "bich you lied to me and I'll never forgive this. ".

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2760674]Life is too short to be with Fat girls. Promptly dismiss at the restaurant and say, "Sorry, you are not my type" and walk away. Unless you want a BJ from a fat girl. And my car will not let fat girls inside, it will scrape on the ground. End of subject.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2760674]Life is too short to be with Fat girls. Promptly dismiss at the restaurant and say, "Sorry, you are not my type" and walk away. Unless you want a BJ from a fat girl. And my car will not let fat girls inside, it will scrape on the ground. End of subject.[/QUOTE]I've had a few fat girls come onto me pretty strongly, but never took the bait.

Each person has their preferences and their limits they operate within. I personally prefer thin, small to medium tits / ass. The whole body package is what gets me going (sporty; 5'6"; abs not a necessity); That's probably why big fake tits usually do nothing for me because they don't naturally blend in with the girl's body (they look great with clothes on! I've been told more than once to bang a few fat girls and it may not be bad. However, in the SA world. , I'm picky AF because I usually have a flock responding to my advances and I simply go after the ones that are most promising and that never includes the big girls, BUT. Big girls need love too, so I'll send those over to Steve. LOL. LOL.

But seriously, regardless of size, weight, beauty, or personality, it's good to be discerning and willing to cut the rope when the weight gets too heavy (no pun intended). Those red flags and spidy senses are there for a reason. I'm an experience seeker and if it looks like a bad experience is on the horizon, I usually attempt to end those situations sharply and move on to more favorable conditions.

For the guys that only choose to see the positive reviews here, I would stand next to you with a supportive hand on the shoulder and calmly say the words that most of us are screaming in our heads, "RTFF" LOL. Loll. No but seriously, it's not all wins but the wins are so glorious in most cases that they usually fuel more discussion than the negative ones.

IMVHO bad experiences are usually due to:

1. staying in a sinking ship too long (leave during / after dinner / drinks) - Have a backup in case things don't work out. Book them 4 hours apart. Gives you enough tiime to responsibly cancel.

2. letting your small head do the thinking.

3. being inexperienced.

4. not being aggressive when you need to be.

5. Forgetting to guard your loins (take this anyway you like).

6. failing to set the terms of the engagement (we don't pay for coffee dates and we don't send money before meeting) (don't be a pushover. There are far too many girls for that).

8. letting the SB lead (Liz (MAD) told me, "you have to pay for the cake" and I responded, "right, YOU have to pay for the cake". She paused confused and then said, "no, wait, I'm the cake. Haha".

9. Not doing your research into the SA world #duediligence (RTFF).

I still fall at some of these, but they have also helped me to cut the rope when needed in order to avoid prolonged unpleasantness.

02.

Brother, shed some more light on this magic potion elixir. Of the late V or see isn't giving me much results and I am starting getting complaints from my SB's.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;2707449]You cannot compare seeking with tinder, its an altogether diff league.

You can find some amazing gems in Travel girls but even that is no comparison to Seeking.

Have heard some other websites more discreet and expensive but never tried that.

Cheers:

With the Magic Potion Elixir: seeking is a different ball game, absolutely sexy. You feel like a 18 year young boy with the libido, tst levels, stiffness and energy is just amazing.

I've left V, see and any kind of medication and its only MP and few of the fellow Dubai ISG'ians are enjoying like crazy. 100% Organic and only Natural herbs.

Your 18-25 year old SB just hangs on to your dick when she sees the power it has, she feels it is her enigma which is making you horny and hard.

Ciao.

Peace.

Disfruta.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2760812]Seeking girl I met few weeks ago. In her pics she was thick, but good thick. Pics at the gym and stuff.

Real life she's more like 20 pounds overweight. At five feet tall.

First words she said: "am I like my pictures? Am I what you thought?

Me in my mind: "bich you lied to me and I'll never forgive this. ".[/QUOTE]Been there and done it. I try to be respectful, but I have gotten really pissed off a couple times and immediately sent them packing. I had a couple of big girls that got through my screening process in CDMX. I had dinner with 3, at the end I tried to be polite and said, I need to work early in the morning. They wanted nothing to do with ending the night, they were bagging me to go home, but I stuck to my guns. Very uncomfortable, but I can not do big girls. A nice body I am in all day long.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2739402]Those other sites suck big time. Like pay for this pay for that. And even sometimes spam daddies without a girls permission. Generally very disappointing.

When sesta / fosta came on I the US one of my fave sites banned people from the US. So I just set up a VPN app and you can appear from anywhere in the world. So that would solve your IP tracking problem. I'm sure if you search VPN on App Store there will be plenty.[/QUOTE]Hi Steve. I will be testing this ASAP. Maybe tonight. I want to get back on SA. Will use this or a phone (San Diego #) it seems complicated. Any ideas?

In order to spoof your location, we recommend using a Chromium-based browser (Google Chrome, Brave, Microsoft Edge.).

Before spoofing your location, connect to one of our servers, go to [URL]iplocation.net[/URL], copy the green IP address, and paste it to IP Location Finder.

Then, locate the latitude, and longitude of the server's location.

Then do the following:

Press Ctrl + Shift + J (Windows) or CMD + Shift + J (macOS) to access Developer Tools.

Select the three-dot menu icon in the top right of the Developer Tools panel. Scroll to "More Tools" and select "Sensors".

Press on "Manage" next to the Location and press on "Add location".

Enter the location name;.

Copy and paste the latitude and longitude of the IP address into the fields;.

9:52 pm.

You can refer to this website in order to find the Timezone ID for that specific location;.

For Locale, you can refer to this website, however, most of the time, en_US works best.

Once you've filled all of the fields, please try accessing the streaming service and let us know how it goes!

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2760674]Life is too short to be with Fat girls. Promptly dismiss at the restaurant and say, "Sorry, you are not my type" and walk away. Unless you want a BJ from a fat girl. And my car will not let fat girls inside, it will scrape on the ground. End of subject.[/QUOTE]I haven't fucked a fat (or unattractive) girl in 20 years! What's the point of doing that when I don't have to? Never again! I like my THOTS hot only! Will accept nothing less.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2761008]Hi Steve. I will be testing this ASAP. Maybe tonight. I want to get back on SA. Will use this or a phone (San Diego #) it seems complicated. Any ideas?

In order to spoof your location, we recommend using a Chromium-based browser (Google Chrome, Brave, Microsoft Edge.).

Before spoofing your location, connect to one of our servers, go to [URL]iplocation.net[/URL], copy the green IP address, and paste it to IP Location Finder.

Then, locate the latitude, and longitude of the server's location.

Then do the following:

Press Ctrl + Shift + J (Windows) or CMD + Shift + J (macOS) to access Developer Tools.

Select the three-dot menu icon in the top right of the Developer Tools panel. Scroll to "More Tools" and select "Sensors".

Press on "Manage" next to the Location and press on "Add location".

Enter the location name;.

Copy and paste the latitude and longitude of the IP address into the fields;.

9:52 pm.

You can refer to this website in order to find the Timezone ID for that specific location;.

For Locale, you can refer to this website, however, most of the time, en_US works best.

Once you've filled all of the fields, please try accessing the streaming service and let us know how it goes![/QUOTE]This sounds like how to do it manually and it sounds complex. I had a NordVPN subscription. It was like $4/ month. You just log into the app and there is a map of servers worldwide. You choose the one you want to log into (outside the US) and login. All your traffic will go thru that server. It will be slower because it's having to go round trip thru that server so don't pick too far away.

Don’t know for sure but guessing u should be on Wi-Fi for this. I don’t know if there is any cell tower triangulation or something that might give away ur location otherwise.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2761058]I haven't fucked a fat (or unattractive) girl in 20 years! What's the point of doing that when I don't have to? Never again! I like my THOTS hot only! Will accept nothing less.[/QUOTE]I look at it this way. The fail was in picking a fat girl. But once you are at dinner with a fat girl your choices are:

1 send her packing. Probably sad and defeated. Go to your hotel and jerk off. Blech.

2 Follow thru. Get at least a good BBBJ and probably some shockingly good fucking. Go home with empty balls.

I def prefer the later. It's a lose lose when you bail. But that's just me.

I am the same way at FKK. I am amazed by guys who can leave with full balls. I can’t do it. I am gonna fuck someone. Preferably a female. LOL.

Tl; dr way more frustrating than it should be, but some gems to be found.

I arrived in BsAs from Sao Paulo about a month ago with a contact list of maybe 6 girls I had contacted on Seeking up to a month prior. I've seen girls use Seeking quite sporadically due to the high amount of noise, so I've started collecting numbers much earlier before arrival.

Of these 6, 2 turned out to be good finds, but both of these were more complicated to meet than normal (a general trend here). The first one wanted to meet at a hotel for safety reasons, which is actually legit because my Airbnb requires a key to exit the building (why? "for safety reasons, so robbers can't get out if they get in" The second one had a problem with her dog the first time we were supposed to meet, felt ashamed about it and I had to talk her into meeting again.

The meet at hotel thing repeated itself a number of times, as did "I don't want to meet in public because my acquaintances could recognize me". I'm in my mid 30's and look ok, but this isn't acceptable for some reason here? Two girls weren't comfortable sharing decent pictures. On a positive note, those two did turn out to be solid options. Both were great conversationalists and were comfortable sticking around for second rounds without prompting. One bought some sex toys we'll try this week.

Besides this initial set, other girls have been hard to come by. One girl had a problem with her aunt dying. Another contact from a previous trip had her shoulder broken and needs weeks to heal. One got super pissed off at some family thing and just went AWOL for a few days. And another one got super pissed off at the idea that if we meet, we may not have chemistry (given she only shared one blurry picture of her face). Just a ton of work compared to Brazilian or Colombian girls.

Now I understand SA girls have problems in their lives, but the level and amount of problems here are exceptional. And they make them worse by being arrogant and irritated. I suspect Argentinian women are at their best outside Argentina, where the overcomplicated, dysfunctional culture is less impactful on their state of minds. Speaking of which, it's impacting my state of mind too! There are 2-3 new girls next week. Hopefully things will improve or I'm heading out in 2 weeks.

I use SA extensively in Mexico city and I liked it so far. I am considering a trip to Brazil and Argentina. How is the pricing for SA girls there. I typically look for girls in 19 to 23 age petite.

Any pointers / tips will be appreciated.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2761762]Tl; dr way more frustrating than it should be, but some gems to be found.

I arrived in BsAs from Sao Paulo about a month ago with a contact list of maybe 6 girls I had contacted on Seeking up to a month prior. I've seen girls use Seeking quite sporadically due to the high amount of noise, so I've started collecting numbers much earlier before arrival.

Of these 6, 2 turned out to be good finds, but both of these were more complicated to meet than normal (a general trend here). The first one wanted to meet at a hotel for safety reasons, which is actually legit because my Airbnb requires a key to exit the building (why? "for safety reasons, so robbers can't get out if they get in" The second one had a problem with her dog the first time we were supposed to meet, felt ashamed about it and I had to talk her into meeting again.

The meet at hotel thing repeated itself a number of times, as did "I don't want to meet in public because my acquaintances could recognize me". I'm in my mid 30's and look ok, but this isn't acceptable for some reason here? Two girls weren't comfortable sharing decent pictures. On a positive note, those two did turn out to be solid options. Both were great conversationalists and were comfortable sticking around for second rounds without prompting. One bought some sex toys we'll try this week.

Besides this initial set, other girls have been hard to come by. One girl had a problem with her aunt dying. Another contact from a previous trip had her shoulder broken and needs weeks to heal. One got super pissed off at some family thing and just went AWOL for a few days. And another one got super pissed off at the idea that if we meet, we may not have chemistry (given she only shared one blurry picture of her face). Just a ton of work compared to Brazilian or Colombian girls.

Now I understand SA girls have problems in their lives, but the level and amount of problems here are exceptional. And they make them worse by being arrogant and irritated. I suspect Argentinian women are at their best outside Argentina, where the overcomplicated, dysfunctional culture is less impactful on their state of minds. Speaking of which, it's impacting my state of mind too! There are 2-3 new girls next week. Hopefully things will improve or I'm heading out in 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2761762]Just a ton of work compared to Brazilian or Colombian girls.

Now I understand SA girls have problems in their lives, but the level and amount of problems here are exceptional. And they make them worse by being arrogant and irritated. I suspect Argentinian women are at their best outside Argentina, where the overcomplicated, dysfunctional culture is less impactful on their state of minds. Speaking of which, it's impacting my state of mind too! There are 2-3 new girls next week. Hopefully things will improve or I'm heading out in 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]Damn. I am planning a three month trip to Buenos Aires in January and have been looking through Seeking. There appear to be a fair amount of girls. Hopefully you have better luck over the next couple weeks. Keep us posted!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2761058]I haven't fucked a fat (or unattractive) girl in 20 years! What's the point of doing that when I don't have to? Never again![/QUOTE]They look like a bowl of jello when you fuck them. Not normal. Sick. Not the way God made them, to reproduce.

[QUOTE=Playboy2021;2761989]Damn. I am planning a three month trip to Buenos Aires in January and have been looking through Seeking. There appear to be a fair amount of girls. Hopefully you have better luck over the next couple weeks. Keep us posted![/QUOTE]Ted has more data points than me. But I had two amazing dates back in March. First was a full on ten and I don't say that lightly. Sex was meh but the optics were sensational and a wonderful chatty girl with perfect English. Amazing time overall. We didn't agree price but had kinda ball parked it. I went to give her $200 and she seemed sad. I gave her $300 and she jumped up and hugged me. So there's one.

Next night tried for same girl but she was incommunicado. So I found another. (First girl finally got in touch mid dinner and I told her I was already out w colleagues). More an 8 face but a damn set of firm DS that were top tier stuff. Not a lick of English and we laughed so hard at her trying to pronounce English words. We had an amazing time. And barebacked w pull out. She was $200. The girls all want USD.

And back in 2019 had another home run in BA. So I wouldn't throw in the towel yet. Just beat in mind Seeking is a fuckton of work to find the gems.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2761996]They look like a bowl of jello when you fuck them. Not normal. Sick. Not the way God made them, to reproduce.[/QUOTE]You may remember the old joke. How do you fuck a fat girl? You flip through the rolls of fat like a rolodex (remember them) until you smell shit, then you flip back three! LMAO!

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2761871]I use SA extensively in Mexico city and I liked it so far. I am considering a trip to Brazil and Argentina. How is the pricing for SA girls there. I typically look for girls in 19 to 23 age petite.

Any pointers / tips will be appreciated.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]How was your experience in CDMX? Did you set your expectations firmly up front with them as in if there is chemistry blah blah blah, we will head back to my place? I'm guessing there might have been some that flaked or do they all fully understand the terms? I'm sure there's some who expect $ for just showing up for a coffee or a dinner, sorry for the questions but noob here which is why I ask.

I've been seeing ganar ganar in a lot of profiles, does that just mean win win or is that code for something else? LOL.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2761762]

The meet at hotel thing repeated itself a number of times, as did "I don't want to meet in public because my acquaintances could recognize me". I'm in my mid 30's and look ok, but this isn't acceptable for some reason here? Two girls weren't comfortable sharing decent pictures. On a positive note, those two did turn out to be solid options. Both were great conversationalists and were comfortable sticking around for second rounds without prompting. One bought some sex toys we'll try this week.

Besides this initial set, other girls have been hard to come by. One girl had a problem with her aunt dying. Another contact from a previous trip had her shoulder broken and needs weeks to heal. One got super pissed off at some family thing and just went AWOL for a few days. And another one got super pissed off at the idea that if we meet, we may not have chemistry (given she only shared one blurry picture of her face). Just a ton of work compared to Brazilian or Colombian girls.

Now I understand SA girls have problems in their lives, but the level and amount of problems here are exceptional. And they make them worse by being arrogant and irritated. I suspect Argentinian women are at their best outside Argentina, where the overcomplicated, dysfunctional culture is less impactful on their state of minds. Speaking of which, it's impacting my state of mind too! There are 2-3 new girls next week. Hopefully things will improve or I'm heading out in 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]LOL. I think you unearthed a lot about the Argentine culture. Psychoanalysis is very popular there and it looks like you have found out why. Among the South Americans, Argentines are known for being cocky, and it sounds like it with this, "You cannot begin to understand my problems" schtick.

I have not had Argentine women outside of Argentina but I am not sure they would be any better. Thing is the Brazilians looked better, performed better, and were more down to earth. Colombians are sweeter, and the expats in Argentina swore the best women in Buenos Aires were from Paraguay.

My best Argentine encounter there was my first one. Gal gave me a massage for 2 hours and did anything sexually I wanted. I went back to her club the following day, could not find her, and banged someone else. I went a third time and she was aloof because she heard I was with someone else. Normally, I would call her foolish, a WG who thought we had a relationship, but I knew a woman who performed and looked like she did could snare a guy, and she did. I heard a millionaire from Chile married her.

The Argentine woman has the potential to be all that. I found them to be smart, better dressers, and more sophisticated than the other Latin women. If you could find a hot smart humble one who is great sexually, I think doing better elsewhere would be near impossible. The problem is the hot part may be the easiest to get there. There were just so many hotties who were cocky, distant, or insecure. The Paraguayans were not as intelligent or sophisticated but much more secure and much more interested in pleasing you in bed. That is why looks wise I think Argentina is great but performance wise IMO, it is below Venezuela, Colombia, Paraguay, Peru, and Brazil.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2761362]I look at it this way. The fail was in picking a fat girl. But once you are at dinner with a fat girl your choices are:

1 send her packing. Probably sad and defeated. Go to your hotel and jerk off. Blech.

2 Follow thru. Get at least a good BBBJ and probably some shockingly good fucking. Go home with empty balls.

I def prefer the later. It's a lose lose when you bail. But that's just me.

I am the same way at FKK. I am amazed by guys who can leave with full balls. I cant do it. I am gonna fuck someone. Preferably a female. LOL.[/QUOTE]I have not fucked a truly fat girl but I have been in situations where the girl was chubby (heavier than in her pictures) and applied the same logic that you described. And the few times I have done it, my experience was mostly positive. They were pleasant and enthusiastic to please. They gave me great BBBJs and it was easier to convince them to do bareback (especially after I brought up the topic that their lied with their pictures LOL). I did not repeat with those girls because I would have not chosen them in the first place but when you get lemons, make lemonade.

I am impressed with SA in CDMX. I changed my location to there and lots of girls been messaging me. Two girls on your list have reached out to me.

When I am finished with my filtering I will share what I am finding. I could probably spend a week in CDMX exploring the options for ladies alone.

[QUOTE=Simplii;2752028]Hello Guys!

Let's share to the community my last week findings related to Seeking in Mexico City and Metropolitan Area.

The following girls are willing to have a NSA dates inside an hotel room. You know what I mean.

Not sure if all of them speaks English but you can try to be speak with them and it's ok if you go directly to the point but please: don't be rude. Be gentle and polite. There are most probably not pros.

Price amounts may not be fixed, it will depends on the agreement, how you looks, how you talk to them, if you are foreigner, etc etc.

Please, be caution and Enjoy!

Amount Mexican Peso / Link.

1. $5000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f9c7db83-ebc2-4caf-a25e-487e0d7c2eba[/URL].

2. $1500 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/89c92229-7c05-4bf3-a7fe-74e6515fa3b1[/URL].

3. $4000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/33fc61de-e87d-4f2a-8c22-729a383ff1ad[/URL].

4. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/48fa70aa-3281-4f05-8847-759191619615[/URL].

5. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4d8b8286-a801-40c8-84f3-b64270d37fb9[/URL].

6. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/db1e5e4d-1441-4da8-843e-595956399cae[/URL].

7. $5000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/43103692-db18-4bba-9432-9402119f97b3[/URL].

8. $1000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3229f9dc-68ab-4568-88b9-a576b03f52bf[/URL].

9. $2000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d15640da-be04-451a-8f47-2ec44494a4ae[/URL].

10. $2000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/eb9cc2a0-88b1-4573-9956-01622621a98f[/URL].

11. $2500 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9b882ead-e90b-43e3-a200-0f28c785adaa[/URL].

12. $3000 - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0dad7553-f69b-4ecf-9031-c823a97fa445[/URL].

Please, if you have more info with links please share![/QUOTE]

When meeting girls from SA / Online is there any dangers we should look out for?

I am staying in a safe part of town. Any advice will be helpful. I have navigated bad neighborhoods and seedy business in many towns but always looking for any suggestions that may help. This trip is just about getting to know what CDMX offers and some sight seeing. Bringing a friend so not trying to get into any trouble. Trying to keep it fun and in the known places of fun.

A girl I met in Tijuana who lives in CDMX said this kind of stuff is not allowed. Is there any law enforcement involved with the sex work in this city? Her English is not the best so I wonder if there was some misunderstanding.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2762047]Ted has more data points than me. But I had two amazing dates back in March. First was a full on ten and I don't say that lightly. Sex was meh but the optics were sensational and a wonderful chatty girl with perfect English. Amazing time overall. We didn't agree price but had kinda ball parked it. I went to give her $200 and she seemed sad. I gave her $300 and she jumped up and hugged me. So there's one.

Next night tried for same girl but she was incommunicado. So I found another. (First girl finally got in touch mid dinner and I told her I was already out w colleagues). More an 8 face but a damn set of firm DS that were top tier stuff. Not a lick of English and we laughed so hard at her trying to pronounce English words. We had an amazing time. And barebacked w pull out. She was $200. The girls all want USD.

And back in 2019 had another home run in BA. So I wouldn't throw in the towel yet. Just beat in mind Seeking is a fuckton of work to find the gems.[/QUOTE]Steve your reports are why I was exploring a trip to Buenos Aires in the first place! Attractive white Latinas that I can bareback for $200 - $300 sounds good to me. I don't mind mining SA for leads. Weather supposed to be nice in January so should be a good trip regardless.

[QUOTE=Hadez;2762283]When meeting girls from SA / Online is there any dangers we should look out for?

I am staying in a safe part of town. Any advice will be helpful. I have navigated bad neighborhoods and seedy business in many towns but always looking for any suggestions that may help. This trip is just about getting to know what CDMX offers and some sight seeing. Bringing a friend so not trying to get into any trouble. Trying to keep it fun and in the known places of fun.

A girl I met in Tijuana who lives in CDMX said this kind of stuff is not allowed. Is there any law enforcement involved with the sex work in this city? Her English is not the best so I wonder if there was some misunderstanding.[/QUOTE]In Mexico City I would just use common sense and intuition. If you stick around the main touristy areas like Polanco, Reforma, Roma and Condesa and are not acting like a fool, you are not likely to find any trouble. I think there is a language barrier and misunderstanding with your conversation. CDMX police are not setting up sting operations on SA.

[QUOTE=ContinentalF;2762379]In Mexico City I would just use common sense and intuition. If you stick around the main touristy areas like Polanco, Reforma, Roma and Condesa and are not acting like a fool, you are not likely to find any trouble. I think there is a language barrier and misunderstanding with your conversation. CDMX police are not setting up sting operations on SA.[/QUOTE]I love SA in Mexico City, it just does not get much better. I am truly living a dream.

As others mentioned stay in Polanco or Condessa, you will not have any issues. The only issues I have is some of the apartments are strict about bringing visitors to visit, so make sure you double check the apartment rules.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2762202]The Argentine woman has the potential to be all that. I found them to be smart, better dressers, and more sophisticated than the other Latin women. If you could find a hot smart humble one who is great sexually, I think doing better elsewhere would be near impossible. The problem is the hot part may be the easiest to get there. There were just so many hotties who were cocky, distant, or insecure.[/QUOTE]This sounds like the usual stereotyping of Argentinians, but there are decades of truth behind it. It's not just the aloofness and attitude of the women. This arrogance and drama is endemic in the entire culture. The business culture is affected by the same delusions. History has moved on and left them with a very bad psyche.

The country that was once the wealthy Paris of South America is a long. Long way in time from that gilded age. It's interesting to see this grand past on the streets of Buenos Aires. With per capita GDP income actually close to Brazil's, Argentinians still think of Argentina as an extension of Western Europe.

There's the old joke that floats around between other South Americans.

"Buy an Argentine for what he's worth, then sell him for what he thinks he's worth, and you'll be very rich."

Sht happened to me again.

Was in Texas for work. Not an easy place to Seek. You get spoiled abroad. Here it seems like 20 year old girls don't really flock to this mid-40's guy. Go figure.

Anyways got one 22 yo Asian chick to show up for dinner. Her pic was thin, typical Asian girl.

First thing I noticed in real life is she's like 40 pounds heavier. Hoe lied to me with an old picture. OK AmericanPi, stay calm. The train has left the station, let's see what we can make of this.

Then it becomes clear as day that she's stupid. Like not mentally retarded but below average IQ. Getting through dinner was a chore.

And she'd say stupid things. Like she's working a min wage job but she's saving up for a tattoo. Come on girl get your priorities in order.

I bring her back to the hotel and she starts to undress. When I see the belly rolls I just stop it right there. Told her I feel guilty being a middle aged man with a twenties girl. Paid her half the agreed amount to just end right there.

In fairness I did not at all let on it's because she's a chub. Totally played the cards as though I just found my conscience and she's too sweet a girl and all of that.

But no. It's because she was fat.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2760812]Seeking girl I met few weeks ago. In her pics she was thick, but good thick. Pics at the gym and stuff.

Real life she's more like 20 pounds overweight. At five feet tall.

First words she said: "am I like my pictures? Am I what you thought?

Me in my mind: "bich you lied to me and I'll never forgive this..[/QUOTE]

I just want to share this news here. A lot of discussions on the Medellin site over this robbery and murder incident that originated from Tinder.

Be extra careful especially drinking from an unknown source or while your drink is left unattended in bar etc. Drugging and then robbing you is more common than one might think. I personally know someone who was drugged and was completely cleaned out and he was an expat living in Medellin. It could be a lot worse.

Here is the link to the recent news of the Medellin Tinder murder.

[URL]https://www.vice.com/en/article/z34k7e/colombia-medellin-paul-nguyen-death-tinder[/URL]

[URL]https://nextshark.com/california-man-found-dead-after-tinder-date-in-colombia/[/URL]

Thought about this girl the other day. Maybe because we were talking heavy girls. But it's a great story about how some girls are complete non-pros. Not even semi-pro but like total babe in the woods first timers. Tons of persistence and some Nampa and I have her doing things she's never done before. Here's the story. 2020 or early 2021 I think?

So I met Mariah about two weeks ago on SA. Pretty face but clearly a larger girl. Decided what the heck I need a girl who kisses and BJs like her life depends on it and the rest doesn't matter. I try to get her out on a date but honestly she is scared total SA virgin. I finally get her to agree by saying we absolutely won't go to the room. Most we will do is kissing.

This turns out to be a master stroke because:

1. It gets her to agree to the date.

2. It puts kissing squarely on the menu.

So we had dinner at My favorite place. Honestly it was a nice dinner but not the conversational chemistry of some girls. Still a very nice time. I learn that she's Jordanian, very strict upbringing. And lots of other interesting back story. But as I continue to drink I think yeah we could fuck. So I ask her if she wants to go for a walk and she says sure. A bit of Nanpa here:

1 change venue and isolate.

2 lead the girl. If she says yes you are halfway there.

So we walk down the street a few blocks and back. Halfway back I stop her and go for the kiss. A couple light kisses then full on passion. Best kisser since Valentina last fall. And we kiss against her car. I mean full on tongue tangling bliss. Top notch. And I have her her hooked.

So we have a couple failed follow ups due to logistics but tonight is the night. We managed to get sex on the table during the chatting and agree we will have drinks then hit the Hyatt. She texts me her tits one night. I get the feeling this girl (currently separated) needs to be fucked bad. And man was I right.

We have drinks and some amiable conversation but then head to the room where a bottle of Moscato Champagne awaits. A couple glasses and it's on. The kissing is super passionate. I put her hand on my swelling cock and that lights her fire. She starts undoing my belt. And pushes me onto the bed. You can just tell she is like completely lit w passion. She starts a great BJ.

The clothes are getting in the way so we shed them. She's naked and gets on top me and the kisses continue. Next thing I know she is putting me inside her raw! Doh! I tell her "babe I don't think we can do that" so she backs off but damn she was going to bareback me straight out the gate!

Goes down to BJ and it's very very good. All good shaft work and BLS. I've found that girls that love to kiss love to suck cock too and here it is. You can tell she loves sucking cock.

I maneuver her onto her back and start working her pussy with my hand while I get my cock back in her mouth. She LOVES this. She is a sloppy wet mess. I've grown to love this position did it a lot with Alex kneeling by her head, left hand in pussy, and cock in her mouth. Wow. Really love FIV and being blown at same time.

As we progress thru our sexual encounter it becomes clear (and she later confirms) that she has never:

1. Had her gspot worked.

2. Done 69.

3. Taken a load of cum CIM.

She's 26 and I am not lying. Been with four guys lifetime (who obviously did not know wtf they are doing!) I completely rocked her world! It was a blast.

I can't really describe the passion. It was different and off the charts. Like she needed cock so desperately she'the do anything. And sooooo much deep passionate kissing.

I can't remember the exact order but a few highlights:

She's blowing me and I start pulling her around to 69 and she's like "uh, are you sure? Um ok. " (Didn't know then she'the never done it before). She's got a great pussy and dripping wet so it's lots of fun. You can tell she is worked up and having trouble BJing and being eaten at the same time. It's adorable.

Later I have her on her back and go down on her. My tongue is still sore this morning. No joke. I have FIV on gspot and tongue on clit and she is going nuts. I keep feeling pussy clamps as she builds. Wow. The real deal.

I end up cumming when in mish while kissing deeply. Luv that.

When fucking her the second time. She's managed to get her hand down between us in mish and is working her clit. It's a little distracting but she's having g so much fun I don't mind. She starts softly moaning and saying things in a whisper that I can't quite hear. But I do hear her say "you dick feels sooo good". Aw nice to hear that!

So shortly after that she's pretty spent and I pull out and take off the condom and say I want to finish in your mouth. You can see her hesitate and be like "Ummm ok" and I wonder for a second because it's my most common finish.

So we roll me on my back and and she launches some awesome BBBJ. A little too fast but she slows down when I ask. So I build and start shooting my load in her mouth. Around shot three she gags and nearly barfs on me. But quickly gets it together and puts it back in her mouth for a few more pumps.

She strokes and massages me a bit like she's not quite sure how to proceed with a mouthful of cum. But after a minute or so (longer than necessary) she goes and spits. Later she confesses she's never done CIM before. LOL. Love me a virgin mouth.

So two solid rounds of all the trimmings and it was GREAT. There is just something about being with a girl who needs cock soooo bad and who has never been fucked properly. Passionate kissing, great BJ, great attitude, fun Newbie.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2763025]I just want to share this news here. A lot of discussions on the Medellin site over this robbery and murder incident that originated from Tinder.

Be extra careful especially drinking from an unknown source or while your drink is left unattended in bar etc. Drugging and then robbing you is more common than one might think. I personally know someone who was drugged and was completely cleaned out and he was an expat living in Medellin. It could be a lot worse.

Here is the link to the recent news of the Medellin Tinder murder.

[URL]https://www.vice.com/en/article/z34k7e/colombia-medellin-paul-nguyen-death-tinder[/URL]

[URL]https://nextshark.com/california-man-found-dead-after-tinder-date-in-colombia/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you. I will never understand why guys like Colombia so much. Too dangerous and way too many drugs for me. Not to mention, I have zero attraction to Colombian Chicks.

[QUOTE=JuliusGeezer;2762129]How was your experience in CDMX? Did you set your expectations firmly up front with them as in if there is chemistry blah blah blah, we will head back to my place? I'm guessing there might have been some that flaked or do they all fully understand the terms? I'm sure there's some who expect $ for just showing up for a coffee or a dinner, sorry for the questions but noob here which is why I ask.

I've been seeing ganar ganar in a lot of profiles, does that just mean win win or is that code for something else? LOL.[/QUOTE]Would anyone else mind sharing their experience too specifically in CDMX? Most interested in if knowing if sb have been willing to be intimate and am I reading too much into this ganar ganar thing? I know it all varies by person and another user had made a great post about how to message but wanted to hear from others on their experiences, thanks.

[QUOTE=JuliusGeezer;2763538]Would anyone else mind sharing their experience too specifically in CDMX? Most interested in if knowing if sb have been willing to be intimate and am I reading too much into this ganar ganar thing? I know it all varies by person and another user had made a great post about how to message but wanted to hear from others on their experiences, thanks.[/QUOTE]Dude just read back some pages. DramaFree talks all the time about how awesome the SA scene is in CDMX. He claims best in world. He seems a credible guy. Give it a whirl!

And oh if a girl is on seeking she PLANS to be intimate. That’s what everyone is there for. The 5% platonic girls are delusional. U can weed them Out easy.

[QUOTE=JuliusGeezer;2763538]Would anyone else mind sharing their experience too specifically in CDMX? Most interested in if knowing if sb have been willing to be intimate and am I reading too much into this ganar ganar thing? I know it all varies by person and another user had made a great post about how to message but wanted to hear from others on their experiences, thanks.[/QUOTE]Ganar ganar literally means I'll fuck you for money. You're happy, I'm happy.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2763582]Dude just read back some pages. DramaFree talks all the time about how awesome the SA scene is in CDMX. He claims best in world. He seems a credible guy. Give it a whirl!

And oh if a girl is on seeking she PLANS to be intimate. Thats what everyone is there for. The 5% platonic girls are delusional. U can weed them Out easy.[/QUOTE]Clarification, SA is awesome in CDMX. I am not sure about the best in the world. Also takes, multiple trips, hard work and a decent budget.

[QUOTE=ContinentalF;2763657]Ganar ganar literally means I'll fuck you for money. You're happy, I'm happy.[/QUOTE]Makes sense now that you say it out loud. Win win. We use that expression in America also. For sex in exchange for money we use the euphemism "mutually beneficial" but it's nearly the same turn of phrase as ganar ganar.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2762932]This sounds like the usual stereotyping of Argentinians, but there are decades of truth behind it. It's not just the aloofness and attitude of the women. This arrogance and drama is endemic in the entire culture. The business culture is affected by the same delusions. History has moved on and left them with a very bad psyche.
[/QUOTE]Wyatt, I did not do the sugar baby thing until 2009 and was last in Argentina in 2007. One guy said Peru women max out at a 7, and I agree with that. My brother said he had no problem finding an 8 in Argentina but never saw a 10, and I agree with that too. I did see 10's though in Colombia and Brazil and saw 10's from Paraguay and Venezuela in other countries.

I probably bedded 20 women there, and 18 or so were from Argentina and 2 were from Paraguay. I would have repeated with 2 of the 18 Argentines but both of the women from Paraguay. I really was never selling the sugar baby concept there or in Brazil. What I posted was what I saw prior to knowing the Argentine stereotypes.

Maybe if I had approached with the sugar baby concept, things would have been better, but I will probably never know.

Thing is I learned the most about the Latin stereotypes from this youtube channel called Joanna speaks. Here is one on Argentina: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsHn9VJuTzA[/URL].

Thing is you would think I would disagree with DF about Colombia seeing as how I have hit gold there, but I really do not. In the P4 P world, I was totally disappointed with Colombia. The women did not look as good as Brazil or Argentina and IMO were even more full of themselves than the Argentines and wanted even more money.

I guess the thing is when you find a good woman in Colombia the stereotype for fleecing American men is so strong these women go out of their way not to do it. So from a sugaring perspective, the elite women there are and were great. You just have to weed out the gold diggers which are most of them.

From a P4P POV though, I found the Vennies in Colombia better looking, better performing, and nicer.

When I sent out PMs to women on seeking, I found the Brazilians friendlier and better looking all in all though than the Argentines. Still, why bother? It is a 10 hour flight to both places compared to 2 with Mexico. The flight costs dwarf what you would pay the women.

Colombia is closer but the flights times to everywhere but Bogota are going to run you 8 hours or pretty much all day. Given it takes 2 days to travel then, it is not realistic for many guys to go there and have a sugar baby. Half the time I have had to meet my woman in Mexico or Central America due to my tight schedule.

If you are in the North, Canada may work out for some guys. And much of Central America is doable from a time perspective but I have not seen much I like in Central America woman wise which leaves Mexico.

Thing is there are many Mexican cities with direct connections from the USA off the beaten path. I never followed up on them but I missed out on some real lookers in the mid sized cities. Thing is even if you do not want to go to their city, it is dirt cheap to fly them to say Mexico City or Cancun.

And the other thing is that it is super easy for Mexican women to get American tourist visas. I had one that I flew back to my place for a weekend. Fun times.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2763719]And the other thing is that it is super easy for Mexican women to get American tourist visas. I had one that I flew back to my place for a weekend. Fun times.[/QUOTE]Elvis and what was the compensation for a weekend. Flight + lodging and 1000 USD?

AS DF says, I agree that CDMX SA scene is awesome if you find English speaking girl (for those who do not speak Spanish).

If you speak Spanish CDMX is gold mine.

As Elvis said proximity to US is very big factor in CDMX (or any city in Mexico).

For some of us from Texas, 2 HR flight and cheap tickets allow to have bigger budget for multiple quick trips.

Also the quality and availability of Love Hotels only adds more fun to the scene. (I never seen love hotels outside of CDMX, this should be everywhere.

I can not comment on any other LATAM county as never been there.

But definitely have a plan for Columbia and Brazil. Just need time as I will loose 2 whole days in travel.

I wanted to go to Medellin with ElPapi last month but logistics just did not work (ticket price and travel time).

I had 2 trips to Mexico in last 2 months.

In the 1st trip I had 2 SA girls and 3 non-SA pro girls. My experience with SA girls is very good if they speak English.

First SA girl did not speak English and for me it was not fun even though she tried her best and was hot looking.

Second SA girl was a blast, spoke good English, really fun to talk, not hot but beautiful with very nice body, enjoyed sex.

She was with me from 7 pm dinner till 7 am in the morning.

Of course her allowance expectations were 40% more than the first girl. But it was totally worth. (I have FRs in DF section).

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3368-D.-F.-Escorts&p=2760845[/URL]#post2760845.

In my 2nd CDMX trip, I met 3 SA girls and a 3 some with 2 non-SA, Columbians WG on first night as there were no SA girl available for late night (FRs coming soon).

I met the English speaking SA girl from previous trip and this time it was extension to previous night, just got better.

2 other SA girls I met also spoke English and both girls were lot of fun and all 3 girls showed interest in 3 some, so next trip will be multiple 3 somes.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2763719]Wyatt, I did not do the sugar baby thing until 2009 and was last in Argentina in 2007. One guy said Peru women max out at a 7, and I agree with that. My brother said he had no problem finding an 8 in Argentina but never saw a 10, and I agree with that too. I did see 10's though in Colombia and Brazil and saw 10's from Paraguay and Venezuela in other countries.

I probably bedded 20 women there, and 18 or so were from Argentina and 2 were from Paraguay. I would have repeated with 2 of the 18 Argentines but both of the women from Paraguay. I really was never selling the sugar baby concept there or in Brazil. What I posted was what I saw prior to knowing the Argentine stereotypes.

Maybe if I had approached with the sugar baby concept, things would have been better, but I will probably never know.

Thing is I learned the most about the Latin stereotypes from this youtube channel called Joanna speaks. Here is one on Argentina: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsHn9VJuTzA[/URL].

Thing is you would think I would disagree with DF about Colombia seeing as how I have hit gold there, but I really do not. In the P4 P world, I was totally disappointed with Colombia. The women did not look as good as Brazil or Argentina and IMO were even more full of themselves than the Argentines and wanted even more money.

I guess the thing is when you find a good woman in Colombia the stereotype for fleecing American men is so strong these women go out of their way not to do it. So from a sugaring perspective, the elite women there are and were great. You just have to weed out the gold diggers which are most of them.

From a P4P POV though, I found the Vennies in Colombia better looking, better performing, and nicer.

When I sent out PMs to women on seeking, I found the Brazilians friendlier and better looking all in all though than the Argentines. Still, why bother? It is a 10 hour flight to both places compared to 2 with Mexico. The flight costs dwarf what you would pay the women.

Colombia is closer but the flights times to everywhere but Bogota are going to run you 8 hours or pretty much all day. Given it takes 2 days to travel then, it is not realistic for many guys to go there and have a sugar baby. Half the time I have had to meet my woman in Mexico or Central America due to my tight schedule.

If you are in the North, Canada may work out for some guys. And much of Central America is doable from a time perspective but I have not seen much I like in Central America woman wise which leaves Mexico.

Thing is there are many Mexican cities with direct connections from the USA off the beaten path. I never followed up on them but I missed out on some real lookers in the mid sized cities. Thing is even if you do not want to go to their city, it is dirt cheap to fly them to say Mexico City or Cancun.

And the other thing is that it is super easy for Mexican women to get American tourist visas. I had one that I flew back to my place for a weekend. Fun times.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NapataJohn;2763871]Elvis and what was the compensation for a weekend. Flight + lodging and 1000 USD?[/QUOTE]I paid her $300 to $500 for a few days and took her shopping twice. Big thing is that you have to watch out for is the Mann Act. Someone could say you are transporting a woman across country lines for sexual purposes, so you have to make sure she refers to herself as your GF or someone you are dating and it is best if you have GF type activity photos on her and your phone with all you and she did in Mexico. Also, I would have her say that you did not meet on seeking. It might even be better if she could mention the reason for her travel is some other reason than to meet you like she is going to a concert, convention ETC and is just staying with you. And absolutely she should not have anything on her phone with regards to you paying her.

Also, this Mexican gal with me dressed up very provocatively, and she got harassed badly the first time she came into the country. Trump was president then and the border agents acted differently with him as president especially with Mexicans. I think she came three times and she flew though customs the second and third time, but the first time she was very upset and in tears because she was harassed so badly.

The Mann Act is also like drugs in the sense that the government can seize anything involved with the transportation of suspected trafficking. So if you picked her up on the border with a car, they could seize the car without a warrant if trafficking is even just suspected.

My gal was a lawyer, spoke English, and knew better than to say to customs, I am here to fuck a guy for money. Of course, that was not true, but you better be damned sure you screen a woman you are flying across and drill them on what to say and how to look. If she is young, attractive, and traveling alone, she meets the profile for being trafficked.

Other thing you could do is just fly her to a border town like Tijuana or Juarez and have her come across by bus or walk across saying she is going to shop for a few days in the USA and then fly her from San Diego or El Paso to wherever after that. That is probably a lot safer way to go. It is more of a hassle but probably worth it.

And I would not do this with any woman who does not have a job or is on any kind of escort site.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2763719]My brother said he had no problem finding an 8 in Argentina but never saw a 10, and I agree with that too. .

I guess the thing is when you find a good woman in Colombia the stereotype for fleecing American men is so strong these women go out of their way not to do it. So from a sugaring perspective, the elite women there are and were great. You just have to weed out the gold diggers which are most of them.[/QUOTE]My job is fully remote, and I can spend 6 months per year in Brazil without worrying about breaking any laws. The challenge is where to spend the other 6, given that Brazilian women are so amazing.

I initially wrote off Mexico, because many of the women I've found on SA there aren't attractive. But after a closer look weeding through the noise the last few weeks, I've found a couple which looked decent and perhaps even better, found a number of foreign women in Mexico (Argentinians, Russians, Venezuelans). Mexico looks like a good choice for 3 months.

I've been surprised why the 9+ Colombians on SA aren't responding to me (like none of them). Maybe I'm too young? Maybe I don't blow enough smoke up their asses? Would they be more receptive if I bought them something from their wishlist first? I'm tempted to take another 3 months a year in MDE to find out. I did make contact with a few attractive ones who did not live in Medellin, and the plausible explanation is a high volume of gold diggers where it's hard to find the girls with good personalities. Will try to confirm next year.

Where would you guys spend your time?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2763988]Big thing is that you have to watch out for is the Mann Act. Someone could say you are transporting a woman across country lines for sexual purposes,
The Mann Act is also like drugs in the sense that the government can seize anything involved with the transportation of suspected trafficking. [/QUOTE]The Mann Act requires, "with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense" Having personal sex with a consenting female is normally not a crime. Unless she is a minor or you pimp her out.

You are off base, my friend.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2764203]My job is fully remote, and I can spend 6 months per year in Brazil without worrying about breaking any laws. The challenge is where to spend the other 6, given that Brazilian women are so amazing.

I initially wrote off Mexico, because many of the women I've found on SA there aren't attractive. But after a closer look weeding through the noise the last few weeks, I've found a couple which looked decent and perhaps even better, found a number of foreign women in Mexico (Argentinians, Russians, Venezuelans). Mexico looks like a good choice for 3 months.

I've been surprised why the 9+ Colombians on SA aren't responding to me (like none of them). Maybe I'm too young? Maybe I don't blow enough smoke up their asses? Would they be more receptive if I bought them something from their wishlist first? I'm tempted to take another 3 months a year in MDE to find out. I did make contact with a few attractive ones who did not live in Medellin, and the plausible explanation is a high volume of gold diggers where it's hard to find the girls with good personalities. Will try to confirm next year.

Where would you guys spend your time?[/QUOTE]I have always said that the best looking girls in Mexico are not Mexicans, but foreigners. An average Mexican girl is less attractive than average Colombiana or Brasileira. But speaking of higher end market, Mexico got an advantage, because there is money to be made and all the hot girls from other countries flock there to work. CDMX got plenty of model agencies. Rich Mexicans love white Eastern European girls and are willing to pay premium. DF says Mexicans have better personality and are more fun, but I think they are not any better than other central or Latin america girls, it all depends on chemistry and varies case by case.

In Mde it is definitely not easy to get 9's and 10's attention. Simply because the supply of hot girls is limited, while you are competing with a ton of gringos who travel there for pussy. Be persistent, make your Seeking profile stand out, and if it doesn't help, move on. If you speak Spanish you would probably be better off approaching hot women in malls, restaurants, etc. Online game in mde is super tough.

Oh, and wishlist is such a BS, don’t even pay attention

[QUOTE=Pk099;2763908]AS DF says, I agree that CDMX SA scene is awesome if you find English speaking girl (for those who do not speak Spanish).

If you speak Spanish CDMX is gold mine.

As Elvis said proximity to US is very big factor in CDMX (or any city in Mexico).

For some of us from Texas, 2 HR flight and cheap tickets allow to have bigger budget for multiple quick trips.

Also the quality and availability of Love Hotels only adds more fun to the scene. (I never seen love hotels outside of CDMX, this should be everywhere.

I can not comment on any other LATAM county as never been there.

But definitely have a plan for Columbia and Brazil. Just need time as I will loose 2 whole days in travel.

I wanted to go to Medellin with ElPapi last month but logistics just did not work (ticket price and travel time).

I had 2 trips to Mexico in last 2 months.

In the 1st trip I had 2 SA girls and 3 non-SA pro girls. My experience with SA girls is very good if they speak English.

First SA girl did not speak English and for me it was not fun even though she tried her best and was hot looking.

Second SA girl was a blast, spoke good English, really fun to talk, not hot but beautiful with very nice body, enjoyed sex.

She was with me from 7 pm dinner till 7 am in the morning.

Of course her allowance expectations were 40% more than the first girl. But it was totally worth. (I have FRs in DF section).

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3368-D.-F.-Escorts&p=2760845[/URL]#post2760845.

In my 2nd CDMX trip, I met 3 SA girls and a 3 some with 2 non-SA, Columbians WG on first night as there were no SA girl available for late night (FRs coming soon).

I met the English speaking SA girl from previous trip and this time it was extension to previous night, just got better.

2 other SA girls I met also spoke English and both girls were lot of fun and all 3 girls showed interest in 3 some, so next trip will be multiple 3 somes.[/QUOTE]Been reading your posts, didn't see much mention of the $ for these SA girls. What would you say? And do you just say that yourself upfront or try to negotiate if they quote? Thanks.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2764203]

I initially wrote off Mexico, because many of the women I've found on SA there aren't attractive. But after a closer look weeding through the noise the last few weeks, I've found a couple which looked decent and perhaps even better, found a number of foreign women in Mexico (Argentinians, Russians, Venezuelans). Mexico looks like a good choice for 3 months.

I've been surprised why the 9+ Colombians on SA aren't responding to me (like none of them). Maybe I'm too young? Maybe I don't blow enough smoke up their asses? Would they be more receptive if I bought them something from their wishlist first? I'm tempted to take another 3 months a year in MDE to find out. I did make contact with a few attractive ones who did not live in Medellin, and the plausible explanation is a high volume of gold diggers where it's hard to find the girls with good personalities. Will try to confirm next year.

Where would you guys spend your time?[/QUOTE]Ted, I was searching in Colombia mostly during the time of Covid, and the selection was better. I was with my gal and her daughter at a cenote (swimming hole) near Cancun and a bunch of Colombians come in making a lot of noises. Her daughter looked at them with disgust and said, "Paisas (people who live in Medellin), I hate Paisas. " She was born in Bogota and her mother was born in Cartagena and I have never heard them talk about anything in Medellin. Our Colombia critic here, Dramafree, had a miserable time in Medellin after spending 3 months there, and it is over run by gringos. The women I met and liked in Medellin were always from somewhere else.

From my POV, I found the Bogota women (Rollos) more sophisticated and the Costenas (coastal) women to be more attractive with a huge sexual appetite. If you like women with big booties, and I do not, Cali may be the best place on the planet.

Truth is going to Colombia after the travel ban was done, I had like 200 phone numbers. I lined them up and rated the women I wanted to see. Probably 80% of them did not respond once I got there. If I had to do it again, I would not even reach out to anyone until one week before my trip.

If I wanted to get ahold of a real beauty, I would front them cash to show them I was real. I do not recommend this and I only would send $40 (probably do $50 now) via Western Union. I met Miss Cartagena and the best looking woman in Medellin I had ever seen in Colombia but both were really stuck up. Again, I would do this only if you see someone you are totally in lust with and only a week or so in advance. The hottest women are slammed with hundreds of requests of pretenders, and I wanted the women to know I was real and a player.

My initial impression of Colombia was not good but so many guys wrote about it I gave it a second chance. I then read Routard's incredible reports on Colombian women and that is when I thought I had missed something and I used seeking and went deeper. Until then, I had seen the worst of Colombian women: frigid, materialistic, shallow, cocky, average performers. Once I used seeking, I learned to hone in on the women who had social media pages where they showed family and not the parties and bling they wore. Those women, the ones family oriented, were fun, sweet, considerate, upbeat, and for whatever reason horny as fuck. I got the Colombian women Routard was talking about, the ones I had not seen before, but they are a minority of the women on seeking. Still, seeking was the only avenue I had to meet said women and without Covid and all the job layoffs, I do not know even how many of those women I would have met.

With Colombia then and seeking, I would head to Bogota for sophistication and variety and Barranquilla for looks, but if you are looking for 10's, I am not sure I would bother. Sao Paulo had the most 10's per square inch of any city I have ever been to. Stereotypically, thing about the Brazilian women, and we have guys here who can attest to this, though is they cheat. They are friendly, sexually fantastic, open minded, and fun, but they cheat. If that does not bother you, go for it. FWIW, the really good ones in Colombia and Mexico do not have that reputation.

Thing with CDMX is that you can find 10's there too but those women often want a lot dollar wise. I would say whatever you pay in Colombia for a 10, double that for Brazil, and double what you pay in Brazil for CDMX.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2764211]The Mann Act requires, "with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense" Having personal sex with a consenting female is normally not a crime. Unless she is a minor or you pimp her out.

You are off base, my friend.[/QUOTE]Let's not argue about interpretation. The answer is not black and white. If she has paid sex with another person and gets caught, you may fit the definition for prostitution. The risk is low but there is some.

[QUOTE=JuliusGeezer;2764251]Been reading your posts, didn't see much mention of the $ for these SA girls. What would you say? And do you just say that yourself upfront or try to negotiate if they quote? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Allowance is mostly in the range of 3000 to 6000 MXN, plus taxi and dinner / drinks. (for one night we kept drinking in the pool and that cost me almost 2000 MXN.

I do not negotiate on allowance as it may only save me USD 50.

Not negotiating makes the girls happier and I find the girls more willing to provide better service.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2764252] With Colombia then and seeking, I would head to Bogota for sophistication and variety and Barranquilla for looks, but if you are looking for 10's, I am not sure I would bother. Sao Paulo had the most 10's per square inch of any city I have ever been to. Stereotypically, thing about the Brazilian women, and we have guys here who can attest to this, though is they cheat. They are friendly, sexually fantastic, open minded, and fun, but they cheat. If that does not bother you, go for it. FWIW, the really good ones in Colombia and Mexico do not have that reputation.[/QUOTE]I spent about 2 months in Medellin last year, followed by 3 weeks in Bogota. Medellin seems to be a land of cheap 7's (maybe 8's if we're being generous) and I agree the attitude of many of the more attractive girls was atrocious. It was also my experience that my favorites were not from Medellin. Rollos were more sophisticated and better conversationalists, but I didn't meet one who was decent in bed. I actually stopped in the middle of having sex in 3 separate occasions because it was so disappointing. On a positive note, I discovered Viagra which shouldn't be necessary for a healthy man in his 30's.

I didn't really consider the coast until you mentioned it, but looking on Seeking there are solid options in Cartagena. Barranquilla and Cartagena together have a metro area size to Medellin, and maybe less overrun by tourists. Cartagena seems better from a Seeking perspective, but they're close so can probably experience both with a short car ride. Interestingly, the apartments appear to be much better constructed than in Medellin, which was one thing I disliked there (the noise in the apartment), and there appear to be acceptable food options too.

For Mexico, I've found some decent SA options in CDMX and hoping to develop some in Cancun. I don't need a 10, rather would be happy with a reliable 8 or 9. Unfortunately many of the girls in Cancun appear to be Argentinian and my current bias is to avoid the rather mercenary behavior I've experienced in Buenos Aires. As you suggest, Cancun seems best with a Colombian partner and even better if you can fly in one of her friends / family members so she doesn't get bored. Thanks a bunch for helping me think this through.

Great conversation guys. And I like the South American chat we've fallen into. I will return soon and looking forward to it! And will experience the famed CDMX girls scene for the first time.

On Brasileiras I will only add that I don't think they "cheat" or think of it that way. They are so much more open to sex and multiple partners and that's one of the reasons they are so great. Two of the boate girls that I spent time with literally got engaged a month after fucking me. Do I think they stopped fucking after they got married? Unlikely. It's in their DNA and upbringing to share the love. More power to them.

Reminds me when I found the famous Thifany (who I flew to London) was engaged and I wished her best wishes (and implied goodbye) . She said "why should anything be different between us. He knows what I do from time to time and he does the same. Plus he also likes men. " Hahaha. Brasileiras are one of a kind!

Anyone run into a fake that had a verified profile? I'm wondering if it's possible, a girl I spoke to said she had to submit additional photos and an ID to get verified, she is legit I know that much and open to video call. But wondering if anyone had such an experience because some of these verified profiles sure seem sketchy to me even when taking the convo offline.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2764211]The Mann Act requires, "with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense" Having personal sex with a consenting female is normally not a crime. Unless she is a minor or you pimp her out.

You are off base, my friend.[/QUOTE]Neil, look at this.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act[/URL]

In 1913, Farley Caminetti and Maury I. Diggs took their mistresses from Sacramento, California to Reno, Nevada. Their wives informed the police, and both men were arrested in Reno. Caminetti v. United States expanded Mann Act prosecutions from prostitution to non-commercial extramarital sex. Caminetti was fond guilty at trial.

In its original form the act made it a felony to engage in interstate or foreign commerce transport of "any woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose". With the 1986 amendments, the Mann Act outlaws interstate or foreign transport of "any person" for purposes of "any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense. " Prior to the Supreme Court ruling in Lawrence v. Texas (2003), sodomy was illegal in many states which left open the possibility of prosecution under the Mann Act of consenting adult couples, especially gay couples, though there is no record of such enforcement actions.

In, Holte v. United States, The Court ruled that it is not impossible for a victim of the Act to be charged with conspiracy under specific circumstances.

And Neil, I want to repeat something I said. The Feds can charge an object like cash or a car with a crime without a warrant.

DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because he Must Be A Drug Dealer.

[URL]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dea-asset-forfeiture-joseph-rivers_n_7231744?utm_hp_ref=tw[/URL]

[URL]https://www.techdirt.com/2015/05/11/dea-takes-16000-train-passenger-because-it-can/[/URL]

When the Feds give something high priority, and human trafficking is a very high priority, they shoot and ask questions later. And you do not want a legal battle with the Feds because IMO they will find something. I think the Feds could scare a seeking girl into saying just about anything.

And this was not my only about with presumed trafficking. Five times, I bought tickets for women from Colombia / Peru to Mexico over the years. Three times, the women were hassled. Two were denied entry to Mexico. The worst was a Colombian put in a form of jail in the Mexico City airport where she got many of her personal items stolen. It was in her words the most horrible and frightening experience of her life.

We are all grown men here who are going to do what we feel legally comfortable with and I am not going to presume to have the answers about what is allowed and what is not because it can vary region to region.

However, I strongly disagree with the notion that if you fly a woman you met on seeking to the USA from a foreign land, it is risk free. I posted it what I did for guys to make an informed decision about that risk and to minimize said risk. If you feel it is risk free, then go for it. And let's just leave it at that.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2764425]
I didn't really consider the coast until you mentioned it, but looking on Seeking there are solid options in Cartagena. Barranquilla and Cartagena together have a metro area size to Medellin, and maybe less overrun by tourists. Cartagena seems better from a Seeking perspective, but they're close so can probably experience both with a short car ride. Interestingly, the apartments appear to be much better constructed than in Medellin, which was one thing I disliked there (the noise in the apartment), and there appear to be acceptable food options too.[/QUOTE]If you try it, I would be curious to know how it goes. The hotels in Barranquilla were 1/3 the price of Cartagena and the women expected much less. I saw a number of 10's just hanging in a hotel lobby in Barranquilla but it is a boring city that tourists typically do not go to. Cartagena has much more to do, and I have an apartment there. I have not seen many beauties there but I was eating at a Crepes and Waffles in the Caribe Plaza mall. The women were dressed in the corporate getups but I noticed that one of the black waitresses had a thin hot body and not with the classic huge booty but a thin one. And I then counted four more like her. One guy here did something smart and had a female friend ask women like these waitresses if they wanted to hang out and for how much. I could see someone cleaning up on this.

There may still be a black or really caramel girl on seeking who goes by Mia in Barranquilla. She is very hot, a great kisser, and when in doggie, slams her butt into your junior with unreal speed. This is how Ginger Lynn in the porno world used to do it. One night, she brought out her hot GF and offered up a 3 some but I was spent. Of course, in hindsight, I am kicking myself for declining it.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2764425]For Mexico, I've found some decent SA options in CDMX and hoping to develop some in Cancun. I don't need a 10, rather would be happy with a reliable 8 or 9. Unfortunately many of the girls in Cancun appear to be Argentinian and my current bias is to avoid the rather mercenary behavior I've experienced in Buenos Aires. As you suggest, Cancun seems best with a Colombian partner and even better if you can fly in one of her friends / family members so she doesn't get bored.[/QUOTE]The women who live in Cancun want USA rates. It is best to fly in Mexican women from CDMX or other Mexican city if you want to play in Cancun so you do not have to deal with customs. If the gal you want to fly in from Colombia is not an experienced travel, and you may want to do this even if she is, I recommend you fly to Colombia and go with her the first time. The Mexicans want people who are going to spend money so if your gal is solo and from Colombia, she better have at least $400 in cash and a hotel reservation. Otherwise, they are going to assume she is a WG and deny her entry.

[QUOTE=JuliusGeezer;2764451]Anyone run into a fake that had a verified profile? I'm wondering if it's possible, a girl I spoke to said she had to submit additional photos and an ID to get verified, she is legit I know that much and open to video call. But wondering if anyone had such an experience because some of these verified profiles sure seem sketchy to me even when taking the convo offline.[/QUOTE]Verified means nothing. I ignore it. I guess it means they are a real person and not a guy in his moms basement. But it doesn't mean they won't try to scam you out of $50 or ghost you at meetup or other sins. Just ignore it. It doesn't add value.

Anyone knows the ppm price range for SB in Manila?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2764498]If the gal you want to fly in from Colombia is not an experienced travel, and you may want to do this even if she is, I recommend you fly to Colombia and go with her the first time. The Mexicans want people who are going to spend money so if your gal is solo and from Colombia, she better have at least $400 in cash and a hotel reservation. Otherwise, they are going to assume she is a WG and deny her entry.[/QUOTE]Great point about bringing a Colombian girl to Mexico alone, I'll make sure to remember that when vacationing with my future Colombian SB.

I'm thinking of 2 weeks in the Cartagena area mid-December to check it out. If I like it, I can base myself in Panama to ensure no issues with income taxation and take frequent trips to Colombia. Panama City seems to be reasonably developed, comfortable and well connected to Colombia proper (as well as other airports). The offerings on Seeking appear to be acceptable, mostly WG types, which I hope to confirm after Cartagena. If other folks have experiences there, I'the be curious.

Since I've made a few contacts in CDMX, I'll give it a week just to try it out since everyone's been raving about it and I've found maybe 2-3 solid 8's there in the last few weeks. And of course to try out the food.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2764743]Great point about bringing a Colombian girl to Mexico alone, I'll make sure to remember that when vacationing with my future Colombian SB.

I'm thinking of 2 weeks in the Cartagena area mid-December to check it out. If I like it, I can base myself in Panama to ensure no issues with income taxation and take frequent trips to Colombia. Panama City seems to be reasonably developed, comfortable and well connected to Colombia proper (as well as other airports). The offerings on Seeking appear to be acceptable, mostly WG types, which I hope to confirm after Cartagena. If other folks have experiences there, I'the be curious.

Since I've made a few contacts in CDMX, I'll give it a week just to try it out since everyone's been raving about it and I've found maybe 2-3 solid 8's there in the last few weeks. And of course to try out the food.[/QUOTE]As much as I try and avoid Colombian Chicks, occasionally a one slips by my extensive screening process. There are a lot Colombian chicks in.

CDMX, so why take sand to the beach.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2764796]

CDMX, so why take sand to the beach.[/QUOTE]Exactly.

Either fly CDMX SB to Cancun, or Bogota / Medellin SB to Cartagena / Santa Marta. Domestic flights in both countries are dirt cheap and there will be no issues with immigration, plus you will not be paying outrages Cancun or Cartagena rates, both cities are major tourist destinations.

Flying Colombian girl to CDMX makes zero sense to me, unless she is your real GF.

My initial impression of Seeking experience in Manila had been a big disappointment. From what I see, most of the photos that you get from their profiles are either heavily touched up or they simply had too much Jollibees (their equivalent of McD) over the years. In another word, fat and worse ugly. Anyway not much to report about yet, but my buddy who is currently with me here experienced huge disappointment. I felt bad since I have touted so much of my good experience of using SA in Colombia. So an advice, do a video chat with them before even getting them to come over to see you.

A few pricing intel for the Manila market.

Most SBs would ask for no less than 10 K ppm, but the higher end would only accept for 15 K and above. I had some who are willing to accept 8 K but not for overnight stay but those are usually not as "good" looking. But then again, take those photos on the site with a grain of salt. This seemed to be a prevalent problem at least for Manila. Or maybe I just have a shift in my taste of women these days.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2766074]My initial impression of Seeking experience in Manila had been a big disappointment....[/QUOTE]For 10 K+ in Manila, I would be on IG. A much wider market and plenty of seriously good looking girls with <10 k subs. "Fame" affects price but there seems to be less simps sending "gifts" with no expectation to meet or reciprocation.

Cheers. G.

I believe that there are definitely a lot of selection and nice girls in Mexico City but once in a while you will run into some scammers. This has been mentioned before but it does not hurt to reiterate that never believe these sad stories from girls. As an example, I was doing some ground work and start chatting with this girl.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1946d870-a776-4ed1-9812-039a9a5ce893[/URL]

She seemed decent enough and we seemed to have a good connection. And then out of the blue she mentioned that her rent was due and asked me for 2. 5 K and that she would be wiling to do anything I wanted. I told her that was not a problem. I can easily give her the 2. 5 K and that I was free to meet. Then she said she was at school now so she could not meet but that as soon as her classes were over, she would meet with me. I told her I never sent money without meeting. Then she said if I could at least send her 1 K. I offered to send her 1 K but that I wanted to have a video call and to see her INE (ID). It turns out that the "Internet" was very unstable at school so she could not video call. Anyway, you see where this is going.

I did not have any intention to send her money but wanted to see how far she would try. But please, NEVER, NEVER send money. Even if for you it is not a lot of money, 98% of times you are just getting scammed.

Good luck and be safe and smart. Enjoy all the Seeking has to offer in Mexico City!

[QUOTE=EuropeanDmv75;2766346]I believe that there are definitely a lot of selection and nice girls in Mexico City but once in a while you will run into some scammers. This has been mentioned before but it does not hurt to reiterate that never believe these sad stories from girls. As an example, I was doing some ground work and start chatting with this girl.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1946d870-a776-4ed1-9812-039a9a5ce893[/URL]

She seemed decent enough and we seemed to have a good connection. And then out of the blue she mentioned that her rent was due and asked me for 2. 5 K and that she would be wiling to do anything I wanted. I told her that was not a problem. I can easily give her the 2. 5 K and that I was free to meet. Then she said she was at school now so she could not meet but that as soon as her classes were over, she would meet with me. I told her I never sent money without meeting. Then she said if I could at least send her 1 K. I offered to send her 1 K but that I wanted to have a video call and to see her INE (ID). It turns out that the "Internet" was very unstable at school so she could not video call. Anyway, you see where this is going.

I did not have any intention to send her money but wanted to see how far she would try. But please, NEVER, NEVER send money. Even if for you it is not a lot of money, 98% of times you are just getting scammed.

Good luck and be safe and smart. Enjoy all the Seeking has to offer in Mexico City![/QUOTE]I got to the point where I liked to fuck with the scammers. Play along with their bullshit to see just how far they will try to take it. "Oh, that's all I have to do to set up my wallet so that I can trade in bitcoin"? Haha! Then at some point out of the blue after they think they've been reeling me in I would say something like, "You understand I know you're full of shit right? [B]So fuck off[/B]"! LOLOLOL! End of conversation.

[QUOTE=EuropeanDmv75;2766346]I believe that there are definitely a lot of selection and nice girls in Mexico City but once in a while you will run into some scammers. This has been mentioned before but it does not hurt to reiterate that never believe these sad stories from girls. As an example, I was doing some ground work and start chatting with this girl.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1946d870-a776-4ed1-9812-039a9a5ce893[/URL]

She seemed decent enough and we seemed to have a good connection. And then out of the blue she mentioned that her rent was due and asked me for 2. 5 K and that she would be wiling to do anything I wanted. I told her that was not a problem. I can easily give her the 2. 5 K and that I was free to meet. Then she said she was at school now so she could not meet but that as soon as her classes were over, she would meet with me. I told her I never sent money without meeting. Then she said if I could at least send her 1 K. I offered to send her 1 K but that I wanted to have a video call and to see her INE (ID). It turns out that the "Internet" was very unstable at school so she could not video call. Anyway, you see where this is going.

I did not have any intention to send her money but wanted to see how far she would try. But please, NEVER, NEVER send money. Even if for you it is not a lot of money, 98% of times you are just getting scammed.

Good luck and be safe and smart. Enjoy all the Seeking has to offer in Mexico City![/QUOTE]Yeah, standard MO from scammer. First they make a connection and sometimes they don't even use their real pictures and hijack other girl's IG profiles. Then they claimed problem with cash flows and ask for help with promise of returning the money borrowed. Then they disappear knowing you are the sucker. Anyway, I have just exactly one such girl that is stringing me along, and I am just playing along. I would only say I would help only upon meeting her in person. After that, the communication stopped.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2766373]I got to the point where I liked to fuck with the scammers. Play along with their bullshit to see just how far they will try to take it. "Oh, that's all I have to do to set up my wallet so that I can trade in bitcoin"? Haha! Then at some point out of the blue after they think they've been reeling me in I would say something like, "You understand I know you're full of shit right? [B]So fuck off[/B]"! LOLOLOL! End of conversation.[/QUOTE]As a practical matter I always try to end things gracefully with the other side. Even a suspected scammer. Because it's too easy for them to "report you" for some malfeasance out other and get you suspended. Just not worth it.

Hi hoping someone could give me advice or previous experience using sa in Buenos Aires what they paid for an engagement or an overnight date yeah.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2766521]As a practical matter I always try to end things gracefully with the other side. Even a suspected scammer. Because it's too easy for them to "report you" for some malfeasance out other and get you suspended. Just not worth it.[/QUOTE]I never did it on the site itself. I'm smarter than that. No, it was usually by text after moving off of the site, where these cheats prefer to operate, so no chance of any repercussions from being "reported" by them and suspended for something I did on the site (what are they going to do? Say I went off on them for calling out their bullshit schemes). No, to the contrary! What I would actually do is go and report [B]them[/B], and [B]they[/B] sir are the ones who got kicked off of the site. I would even cut and paste stuff they wrote by text into messages on the site as proof of what they were doing. The evidence was in my the complainant's favor. Know how to fight back. And then do it! So to the contrary, [B]it's well worth[/B] it to get them kicked off versus just turning the other cheek and taking it! I made so many reports on people outright and upfront asking for handout money, running scams, or otherwise using SA for commercial purposes. And [B]poof[/B] their fake accounts would vanish! Maybe they found ways to come right back, but at least during my short tenure I put up my part of the fight. No, it was well worth it to turn the tables and fuck with a scammer if you know how to do it right. And get [B]them[/B] booted off, which I did. Plenty of them! I know in the end it was a losing battle because the bullshit is plentiful, thick and deep on SA (why I quit it), but it sure felt good taking the scammers on and scoring some wins while it lasted LOL!

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2766630]Hi hoping someone could give me advice or previous experience using sa in Buenos Aires what they paid for an engagement or an overnight date yeah.[/QUOTE]Just read back a few pages here. This was just discussed recently.

Steve,

What is your view on "women" favoriting your profile without ever having looked at it a single time (I say "women" because you never know, especially unless and until you meet or do a virtual Zoom session or something)? I mean, ordinarily the site will tell you if and when somebody looked at your profile, and the last time when they did so. Sure sign of a fake or no? A red flag at least?

I would probably say my seeking experience in both Manila and Angeles were both duds. So, I would not recommend using it in Philippines.

Manila: The girls are demanding too much in relation to where the values are. Most are asking for 10 to 15 K. Approx USD 200 to USD 300. Thanks but not thanks for this amount in this city. Maybe in European cities but not here. Plus you will never know what you are getting, kind of like a box of chocolates per Gump. If anything, verify your goods with a videochat, always.

Angeles: The pool in itself is small and given the alternatives of large pool of bar girls, it is not even worth the time to look up for one in this city. Bar fine a few girls from the selection of bars and bring them to the Aqua club, and you would suddenly have a pool party atmosphere.

Tl; dr Not worth it. Flying out to Colombia.

While the optics on the girls here are decent (lots of 8's), the overall experiences have been unsatisfying. There's a peculiar feeling of irritation, disappointment and stress in the culture here. Nearly all of the girls I met had this expectation that I would be some kind of weirdo sexual predator and upon seeing that wasn't the case, immediately switched into "how can I milk this situation to my maximum benefit" mode. There's a lack of anything but superficial warmth that makes Buenos Aires unsuitable for my idea of sugar dating relationship. However, if you're comfortable treating these girls with fake politeness masking the same mercenary behavior they exhibit, you might be happy here.

Snazzy dressers, intelligent and more punctual than most Latin girls yes. But I'd prefer reading a book while waiting for a Colombiana than see one of these chicks. I was wondering why I didn't see any Argentines in my time in Spain and I think this experience answers the question. I messaged one (likely Argentine) girl in Cancun asking where she's from and she literally responded "Die". BTW, tons of pro type girls from Argentina in Cancun. And then it dawned on me. They're the Russians of LatAm. Pissed off attitude, superficially nice. Except they don't look as good as the Russians or other Eastern Europeans.

Some specific examples:

- First timer on the site. Unreal body, acceptable face. I was the first foreigner she met (she's never been outside Argentina). Super bitchy over WhatsApp. In person we had a pleasant conversation to start, then she downed one drink, smoked a joint, downed another drink and then another joint (all in 1 hour). Proceeded to lay down and practice for the Oscars before announcing she had to meet a friend for dinner. This to her was a successful meeting, as she texted me the day after and a week after that. Nope.

- Girl who's aunt died. Worked as a "dancer" in Spain and the US. Lives 1 hour outside the city. Messages me that she'll be an hour late but is only coming to the city to see me. Then she says she has to drop off clothes to sell with a friend on the way. Ends up being about 1. 5 h late (but at least announces it). Overall good conversation and good in the bedroom. We make plans for the next week. She cancels due to period, then says she might be able to come, then cancels. But makes plan for the next day (which she then cancels again). I end up seeing her eventually and she's too high to find my apartment.

- Girl who isn't comfortable going to an Airbnb. Cancelled 2 x beforehand, second time due to family issue with appeared legit. Decides to mention she's only comfortable meeting at a hotel a few hours before the 3rd meeting (which of course, was cancelled). I ended up offering to meet her socially and pay for her Uber (nope). Then I offered to give her a gift for just talking, which she happily agreed to, before I realized how stupid that was and that she was just an 8 with a dysfunctional life. I asked her why this hotel requirement was only a thing here, and if people are that bad here. Her answer was yes.

- Girl who spent a bunch of time in Cancun with other Argentines. Good communication up to the meeting, polite. Pictures aren't heavily edited upon seeing her in person. But not comfortable meeting outside the apartment because "she doesn't go out with just anyone". For the record, I'm in my 30's, fit and decent looking. We start with a nice conversation which goes on to the theme of her wanting a French bulldog. She then proceeds to spend the next hour talking on WhatsApp with people selling French bulldogs. I shit you not. We were talking about which one she liked most and what her favorite dog names were.

- Working girl 8 who was decent. One positive result of the interaction is she mentioned Seeking has a lot of weirdos here. Maybe that explains the preconceptions.

None of the girls above looked like they had spent any time at the gym recently, and the excess fat from the poor diet shows. While the asses are big, they're just fat asses. Brazil spoils one in this respect. As was said earlier, lots of 8's, but no higher. Also, more blondes than I like.

The food was also crap. Fruits and vegetables are flavorless unless you go out of your way to shop for organic produce because people here are too cheap to pay for quality. Delivery services often stopped working due to low pay because people are too cheap to pay them to deliver.

Criticism aside, I did have a solid 8 who I saw weekly throughout my time here. She was never more than 15 minutes late and usually left me satisfied. And in the last week I met a smart, young girl from Mendoza who didn't have the agitation of the BsAs girls which suggests the emotional issues are worse in BsAs. Both of these girls however had a palpable negativity.

One positive thing about visiting here. You'll save a lot of money with the economic issues in the country and all the cancellations from the girls. If you do come, stay at a hotel and make sure you get your pesos at a larger western union branch because small ones don't do big withdrawals. And be prepared to put up with a mountain of shit from all the dysfunction in this country.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2767316]While the optics on the girls here are decent (lots of 8's), the overall experiences have been unsatisfying. There's a peculiar feeling of irritation, disappointment and stress in the culture here. Nearly all of the girls I met had this expectation that I would be some kind of weirdo sexual predator and upon seeing that wasn't the case, immediately switched into "how can I milk this situation to my maximum benefit" mode. There's a lack of anything but superficial warmth that makes Buenos Aires unsuitable for my idea of sugar dating relationship. However, if you're comfortable treating these girls with fake politeness masking the same mercenary behavior they exhibit, you might be happy here.

Snazzy dressers, intelligent and more punctual than most Latin girls yes. But I'd prefer reading a book while waiting for a Colombiana than see one of these chicks. I was wondering why I didn't see any Argentines in my time in Spain and I think this experience answers the question. I messaged one (likely Argentine) girl in Cancun asking where she's from and she literally responded "Die". BTW, tons of pro type girls from Argentina in Cancun. And then it dawned on me. They're the Russians of LatAm. Pissed off attitude, superficially nice. Except they don't look as good as the Russians or other Eastern Europeans.[/QUOTE]I understand what you experienced and can empathize. Venezolanas used to demonstrate a lot of that same "tude" as well. Not anymore after they and their entire country have had their "economic asses" handed to them. Not so arrogant anymore!

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2767316]Tl; dr Not worth it. Flying out to Colombia. [/QUOTE]Great report, Ted! Thanks! What are the asking rates or the rates that you paid?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2767175]Steve,

What is your view on "women" favoriting your profile without ever having looked at it a single time (I say "women" because you never know, especially unless and until you meet or do a virtual Zoom session or something)? I mean, ordinarily the site will tell you if and when somebody looked at your profile, and the last time when they did so. Sure sign of a fake or no? A red flag at least?[/QUOTE]I completely ignore all favorites. Any girl worth her salt is getting assaulted by tons of guys and has no time to browse for partners. And if she did she would surely not choose you. Or me. LOL. Yes. Ignore all. For sure.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2767357]I completely ignore all favorites. Any girl worth her salt is getting assaulted by tons of guys and has no time to browse for partners. And if she did she would surely not choose you. Or me. LOL. Yes. Ignore all. For sure.[/QUOTE]Well now that I think about it, with the one smashing success I had, she was getting slammed by contacts and was almost ready to quit the site. She didn't favorite me until after we started talking. Hmmm. Just thinking of strategies for how to make it better if and when I decide to try it again. I mean some tactics are easy. If a girl tries to tell me she's from my town, but I can see that the last time "she" was on she was coming from Morocco (and she's too stupid to use the site tools to hide her location), then that's an automatic block. I guess I'm trying to come up with a set of rules I feel confident with in order to decide relatively quickly who should be blocked immediately without question. Blocking somebody who favorited me without even looking at my profile seems to be a good one. Was just wondering if you had seen that, and how you handled. You have a lot of experience with SA, and I always appreciate your input and perspectives on it.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2767316]Nearly all of the girls I met had this expectation that I would be some kind of weirdo sexual predator and upon seeing that wasn't the case, immediately switched into "how can I milk this situation to my maximum benefit" mode. There's a lack of anything but superficial warmth that makes Buenos Aires unsuitable for my idea of sugar dating relationship. However, if you're comfortable treating these girls with fake politeness masking the same mercenary behavior they exhibit, you might be happy here.[/QUOTE]LOL. Good one, Ted. I wonder if you would have had better luck with some of the Paraguayans in BA.

I felt like Venezuelans had much the same attitude. Here you had two countries that were previously rich and then became poor through political management, and there was this like no negative attitude towards stealing / scamming. Thing is unlike Venezuela, Argentina has one of the greatest oil finds in the world AND great agricultural land. They should be rolling in dough but you just know that somehow the country will stay poor while some president puts billions away in some Swiss bank account just like Chavez did.

For what it is worth, I did not find that attitude in Peru or Paraguay. The best looking Paraguayans I saw were in Bolivia, and I heard a lot moved to Chile. I doubt Chile has that scammer attitude of Argentina / Venezuela though I have not been there.

The two great civilizations of Latin America were in Mexico and Peru, and the Peruvian women like the Mexican ones are great in the world of art and in the kitchen. And while they do typically max out at a 7 looks wise, I remember having one who was an 8 in a massage parlor there and a 9 in a strip club. They could have been Colombian women. I did not ask.

Still, you are not going to have that degree of fuckery in Peru. The women in Peru are sweet, very sexual, and talented. They just do not look that good. LOL. Mr. Enternational famously does not really pay much heed to looks and that is why Peru may be his favorite country. The only other caveat is that prices on hotels and food in Peru are more in line with the USA than Mexico or Colombia.

So Ted, if you are willing to sacrifice a little looks wise, Lima, Peru is an interesting place. Thing is the temperature is moderate but there is a lot of fog and not much sun.

I had a Paraguayan SB in the USA whose pic is below and besides her near perfect figure, she was horny as fuck. Santa Cruz, Bolivia has about the same climate as Medellin, but the people in Bolivia are much nicer. There are a few strip clubs there and there were several Paraguyan women I met with figures similar to my sugar baby.

So I go to a strip club and find one with a figure like this and pull her to my place for a few hours. We are in the cab, and I usually can get a feel for a woman by how horny she is in the cab. Well, this gal grabs me by the neck launches her tongue down my throat and with the other hand grabs my hand and forces me to play with her pussy.

We go at it twice in two hours in my hotel and I am beat. I can still remember that tight, tight ass and her screaming while I grabbed her hair and banged her from behind. I missed the read on this on though. She would have stayed and fucked me all day long had I invited her to, and I could have had her bare. Oh well.

The nicest hotel was actually a condo complex called Buganvillas. One of the things I noticed in Colombia with sugar baby prospects is how much more willing they are to hang out if you have a nice hotel. My favorite was the Marriott in Bogota with its great restaurants, indoor pool, great gym, and nice bar. Buganvillas was like that. The gal would have stayed just for the pool and bar.

And the food is fantastic. You can grow anything in Santa Cruz, and the steak I had there was the best I have had in all of South America.

If Colombia does not work out for you, Ted, and I hope it does, then I would do Santa Cruz next and Lima after that. Sad to say, but the fuckery in Colombia is only a shade below Argentina but you will not find it in Peru or Bolivia.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2767175]Steve,

What is your view on "women" favoriting your profile without ever having looked at it a single time (I say "women" because you never know, especially unless and until you meet or do a virtual Zoom session or something)? I mean, ordinarily the site will tell you if and when somebody looked at your profile, and the last time when they did so. Sure sign of a fake or no? A red flag at least?[/QUOTE]I may be wrong, but it doesn't count as a profile view if the person doesn't actually go to the full page profile. They can still browse your pics in preview mode (when your profile is like a pop up on top of the browsing page). I don't show my face, but my main pic is me standing in front of a famous monument and I've gotten favorites without them viewing my profile.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2767287]I would probably say my seeking experience in both Manila and Angeles were both duds. So, I would not recommend using it in Philippines.

Manila: The girls are demanding too much in relation to where the values are. Most are asking for 10 to 15 K. Approx USD 200 to USD 300. Thanks but not thanks for this amount in this city. Maybe in European cities but not here. Plus you will never know what you are getting, kind of like a box of chocolates per Gump. If anything, verify your goods with a videochat, always.

Angeles: The pool in itself is small and given the alternatives of large pool of bar girls, it is not even worth the time to look up for one in this city. Bar fine a few girls from the selection of bars and bring them to the Aqua club, and you would suddenly have a pool party atmosphere.[/QUOTE]For a counterpoint, I did quite well with SA in the Philippines. As anywhere else, if you only pursue the 9's and 10's (and there are some stunners on there), you have to be aware that they already know their worth and are pursued accordingly. I met several sweet young ladies there, more of the GND type, but they can be just as fun (sometimes more so) and usually more down to earth. Now I also can't resist taking a few shots at the dime-pieces, but I keep my expectations low (I did, and minimized the time wasted).

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2767406]I may be wrong, but it doesn't count as a profile view if the person doesn't actually go to the full page profile. They can still browse your pics in preview mode (when your profile is like a pop up on top of the browsing page). I don't show my face, but my main pic is me standing in front of a famous monument and I've gotten favorites without them viewing my profile.[/QUOTE]But I don't have a public picture. Making it all the more reason why I feel I should ignore anyone who favorites me without even looking at my full profile. They're just "speed favoriting" trying to suck in and scam a sucker.

So this one Medellin woman favorited me and I messaged her. She asked "what are you willing to offer?" and because I know never to discuss money on the site, I gave her my normal response of "mutual benefits and let's meet to see if we like each other". Now I probably messed up my usual wording because she assumed I just wanted to have a dinner date without going back to my hotel. Again, I watch what I say so I don't get banned and my usual responses have worked. They know what I really mean and we talk specifics after I get her number. But this one had the audacity to ask for 200 K just for dinner to "make sure it's worth her time".

The fact that she listed an amount on the site gives me another reason to not even reply. I could ask for her number and try to clear things up, but she's already fucked things up.

Otherwise, things are going well on the site and I'm getting more results than in Bogota. I only met up with 3 Seeking women in Bogota (didn't want to over schedule, which I now know was a mistake), but they were all great experiences. One of them I saw 6 different days over 2 trips and we still text time to time.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2767405]If Colombia does not work out for you, Ted, and I hope it does, then I would do Santa Cruz next and Lima after that. Sad to say, but the fuckery in Colombia is only a shade below Argentina but you will not find it in Peru or Bolivia.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, I have high standards for optics so I'm willing to pay more or put up with more bullshit to meet them. Out of all the pics posted to this forum, only yours pique my interest.

My current thinking is that if Colombia doesn't work out, then my next step is a quick stop in San Jose CR (closer to my preferred timezone but probably too small), and then finally CDMX where I suspect that while the hot women will be much more expensive, at least they'll behave in a civilized way and there'll be enough selection that I don't get bored.

I'm in Cartagena now and the pickings on SA are slim. Medellin seems much better and I've made a number of contacts there, but those appear to be at best acceptable as opposed to exceptional. I hope that by focusing on age 25+ girls this time around they'll be more mature, punctual and communicative than the early 20's kids I experienced in my last trip there.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2767818]Unfortunately, I have high standards for optics so I'm willing to pay more or put up with more bullshit to meet them. Out of all the pics posted to this forum, only yours pique my interest.

My current thinking is that if Colombia doesn't work out, then my next step is a quick stop in San Jose CR (closer to my preferred timezone but probably too small), and then finally CDMX where I suspect that while the hot women will be much more expensive, at least they'll behave in a civilized way and there'll be enough selection that I don't get bored.

I'm in Cartagena now and the pickings on SA are slim. Medellin seems much better and I've made a number of contacts there, but those appear to be at best acceptable as opposed to exceptional. I hope that by focusing on age 25+ girls this time around they'll be more mature, punctual and communicative than the early 20's kids I experienced in my last trip there.[/QUOTE]Move on to Mxico. So much better and less bull shit then Colombia. Especially if you have a decent budget you will love it.

The only reason to go to Colombia is if you are into Fake Asses or you are cheap. If you have any standards, you will probably hate Colombia and all the be. S. That comes with it. Sorry Elvis.

I am on the plane as we speak, leaving MTY on the way to CDMX.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2767357]I completely ignore all favorites. Any girl worth her salt is getting assaulted by tons of guys and has no time to browse for partners. And if she did she would surely not choose you. Or me. LOL. Yes. Ignore all. For sure.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I have lately taking to asking girls on the first date what it's like on the other side of the app.

Apparently they are inundated with guys messages. I ask how they filter and they filter out guys who do simple messages like what's up, and also guys who show indications they won't pony up (I go for hot girls).

Girls that favorite me I assume are garbage because hot girls have plenty of options on the site. Too many to respond to.

I also learned that girls who don't pay can respond to messages but they just can't initiate. So girls who message you first are honestly probably scammers or pros.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2767901]Agreed. I have lately taking to asking girls on the first date what it's like on the other side of the app.

Apparently they are inundated with guys messages. I ask how they filter and they filter out guys who do simple messages like what's up, and also guys who show indications they won't pony up (I go for hot girls).[/QUOTE]All my opening messages are "hola, como estas" and nearly all of them respond. This is like when women on Tinder complain that men's first message is "hey" but then on Bumble (where women message first), they open every conversation with "hey."

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2768113]All my opening messages are "hola, como estas" and nearly all of them respond. This is like when women on Tinder complain that men's first message is "hey" but then on Bumble (where women message first), they open every conversation with "hey."[/QUOTE]Totally fair point.

That's kinda like saying I like girls who are interesting and sensual and feminine and all of that. But it's BS. I'm looking for a cute face and hot body and no level of written perfection in a girls profile will supersede whether I'the bang her right now.

You're probably right. Girls prob spend 2 seconds looking at our profile and deciding whether they like the look, height, age, etc and then respond. Why would I assume they're any less superficial than I am?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2768178]Totally fair point.

That's kinda like saying I like girls who are interesting and sensual and feminine and all of that. But it's BS. I'm looking for a cute face and hot body and no level of written perfection in a girls profile will supersede whether I'the bang her right now.

You're probably right. Girls prob spend 2 seconds looking at our profile and deciding whether they like the look, height, age, etc and then respond. Why would I assume they're any less superficial than I am?[/QUOTE]I guess I look at it differently. I mean they are looking for $$ more than looks but they want someone they won't dread spending time with and vice versa. My experience is if we don't vibe and really chat and "get along" on text then it's not going to work for a date. Girls who just respond with Hey. Yes. No. Ok sounds good. To me these are non starters. Maybe some of these girls would be ok to fuck but dinner would be a real chore. I try to really establish a BF GF vibe. And when it succeeds, man does it deliver. And can last. I've got girls in 8 different cities that I can just drop in on and we will pick up like old lovers. So target rich In fact that next week I'm bringing sand to the beach. LOL.

As I think about it I guess I don’t view SA as transactional when u get it right. It may sound weird but I’d say I am in some sort of “relationship” with 3 of the 8 and care about the other 5 in some relatively deep way. I’ve given branding and e-commerce advice to two of them. Loaned money (and paid back!) twice to one (don’t make a habit) and given more boyfriend/ family advice than I probsbly should. It’s a really personal and satisfying part of my life to know these girls and their lives.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2768178]Totally fair point.

That's kinda like saying I like girls who are interesting and sensual and feminine and all of that. But it's BS. I'm looking for a cute face and hot body and no level of written perfection in a girls profile will supersede whether I'the bang her right now.

You're probably right. Girls prob spend 2 seconds looking at our profile and deciding whether they like the look, height, age, etc and then respond. Why would I assume they're any less superficial than I am?[/QUOTE]I do agree with your points about showing them you can pony up and looking better than the average guy on the site. This go around my main picture is of me at a famous location with my back towards the camera. I used this last time too, but it wasn't my main one and it's definitely giving me better results. My other public picture is a closer shot of my body (face still obscured) to show I'm in shape and not just another fat gringo.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2768198]As I think about it I guess I dont view SA as transactional when u get it right. It may sound weird but Id say I am in some sort of relationship with 3 of the 8 and care about the other 5 in some relatively deep way. Ive given branding and e-commerce advice to two of them. Loaned money (and paid back!) twice to one (dont make a habit) and given more boyfriend/ family advice than I probsbly should. Its a really personal and satisfying part of my life to know these girls and their lives.[/QUOTE]This is why I'm back on Seeking: you can find a wider range of women. Of course, you'll find some of the same girls on other sites and pros, but you'll also find normal women with normal jobs. I made an unexpected trip back to Bogota a month after my first visit so I could repeat with some of the women I met. I still text with one and will meet up with her again next year. I paid her nothing when we last saw each other for an entire weekend. I covered the cost of the AirBnB and our daily expenses, but that's to be expected if she's spending 3 days with you.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2768178]You're probably right. Girls prob spend 2 seconds looking at our profile and deciding whether they like the look, height, age, etc and then respond. Why would I assume they're any less superficial than I am?[/QUOTE]I have met so many women over the years who claim women don't care about looks, and they're totally full of shit. Women can be, and usually are, just as superficial as men are. If a man cares about looks 95% of the time, then a woman cares about looks at least 90% of the time. And as far as I'm concerned, that's a difference that makes no difference! Women are superficial and care about looks, especially with women's lib and their newfound freedoms and independence, and don't let them snow you into believing anything else in an effort to make themselves appear not superficial, and therefore "better" than men. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2768210]I do agree with your points about showing them you can pony up and looking better than the average guy on the site. This go around my main picture is of me at a famous location with my back towards the camera. I used this last time too, but it wasn't my main one and it's definitely giving me better results. My other public picture is a closer shot of my body (face still obscured) to show I'm in shape and not just another fat gringo.

This is why I'm back on Seeking: you can find a wider range of women. Of course, you'll find some of the same girls on other sites and pros, but you'll also find normal women with normal jobs. I made an unexpected trip back to Bogota a month after my first visit so I could repeat with some of the women I met. I still text with one and will meet up with her again next year. I paid her nothing when we last saw each other for an entire weekend. I covered the cost of the AirBnB and our daily expenses, but that's to be expected if she's spending 3 days with you.[/QUOTE]We are searching for the Diamond in the rough! They are out there, it takes time, hard work, a decent budget and some game.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2767879]The only reason to go to Colombia is if you are into Fake Asses or you are cheap. If you have any standards, you will probably hate Colombia and all the be. S. That comes with it. Sorry Elvis.[/QUOTE]My reasons for going to Colombia is that it's closer to my preferred timezone (CDMX is about 1. 5 h the other direction) and I legitimately think the optics are better here. I see the cheapness as a con, where you trade time for lowered prices. But maybe the right way to do things is to try both. After a week in Cartagena, I'm heading to Medellin for 2 where I will put more effort into girls around 25, and offer more sugar in exchange. Then go to CDMX for 2 weeks afterwards.

SA is pretty dead in Cartagena. I met one girl who said she was 25, but was really 20. Model, stuck up attitude, on her phone a lot and yet when the clothes came off soft body and bad implants. Another girl said she was 27 but really was 29, came from Barranquilla. Overall a good experience but hard to have a decent conversation as most of what I was talking about seemed to go over her head. Both girls had this willingness to please which made me very happy and was overall lacking in Argentina. If the girls I'm Barranquilla are like her, meeting a younger one would make me very happy.

I suspect there's more cultural overlap with the girls in CDMX, who appear to be more intelligent and refined. The way they talk on WhatsApp suggests they're almost aggressive. I told one girl I didn't know when I was in town, and she replies a few days later with "entonces? She was quite upset I didn't have answer for her yet. This girl was Mexican. Alongside her, I met a couple Argentines with their normal predatory behavior, one more Mexican 8, and one Venezuelan who stopped responding to my messages after I asked for her social media. Mexico appears to be a place where you sacrifice optics for personality.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2768198]I guess I look at it differently. I mean they are looking for $$ more than looks but they want someone they won't dread spending time with and vice versa. My experience is if we don't vibe and really chat and "get along" on text then it's not going to work for a date. Girls who just respond with Hey. Yes. No. Ok sounds good. To me these are non starters. Maybe some of these girls would be ok to fuck but dinner would be a real chore.[/QUOTE]It's an art. If you want a pro sort of experience, you can quickly find a girl on SA that gives you her whatsapp without even looking at your profile. I ignore those girls. When you find that the girl mentions something in your profile, I found that in those cases they are usually hooked. They have found something that piques their interest and it kinda straddles that nice line where they like your look and you seem like a person they would be interested in chilling with.

I have Lili in Madrid that I hit up whenever I'm in town and last time I was there, she told me that I'm the only person that she still talks to from SA. Now, that may not be the truth, but it was unsolicited. Even still, we have great times together, her english is perfect (english teacher) and it's always 200-250 whenever we link up. There's also light conversation during the time between trips. The point is that I am bonus cash that comes around once in a while, but it's a win for her too because she really likes the sex (this was the girl that laid paralyzed on the bed after some rough doggy and the only word she could muster between breaths was "Wow" LOL) and appears to genuinely like to hang out. She also brings me into her life, explaining how she intends to use the money that I'm helping her out with. THese are the types of arrangements that I favor; one where both people are invested. I guess I would describe it as the nether regions of transaction where the influence of humanity blurs the simplistic trade rules of sex for money and money for sex. LOL.

Then there is Maria in Madrid. That's a totally different specimen of complexity and at this point, no cash has been traded and physically she can't get enough. I think I'm starting to see that the medium of exchange is not cash with her; It's more of an exchange of emotional capital.

The gems are out there and a gem for one guy will be coal for another (assuming you are not a coal miner), as personality plays a big part. SBs often write that they want a guy that knows what he wants. When you have experience finding what you want, it becomes easy to dismiss some, while investing in others. I usually avoid most girls that don't speak enough english to converse without a translator. Maria doesn't speak english, but there was something that made me give her a chance. I later (much later) found that she speaks romanian but grew up in Spain, so now we sit there for hours with broken romanian / spanish / english and comms are easy. Find those gems!

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[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2768374]My reasons for going to Colombia is that it's closer to my preferred timezone (CDMX is about 1. 5 h the other direction) and I legitimately think the optics are better here. I see the cheapness as a con, where you trade time for lowered prices. But maybe the right way to do things is to try both. After a week in Cartagena, I'm heading to Medellin for 2 where I will put more effort into girls around 25, and offer more sugar in exchange. Then go to CDMX for 2 weeks afterwards.

SA is pretty dead in Cartagena. I met one girl who said she was 25, but was really 20. Model, stuck up attitude, on her phone a lot and yet when the clothes came off soft body and bad implants. Another girl said she was 27 but really was 29, came from Barranquilla. Overall a good experience but hard to have a decent conversation as most of what I was talking about seemed to go over her head. Both girls had this willingness to please which made me very happy and was overall lacking in Argentina. If the girls I'm Barranquilla are like her, meeting a younger one would make me very happy..[/QUOTE]I will be interested to hear your take on MDE, but judging from your report, I doubt you will like it. You will run into the same issues you were having in Cartagena, but it will probably be much worse. Good luck.

For starters, I know this is not the right forum. However, I wrote that I would briefly report my FKK experience for those GFE guys, like me, that have curiosities.

I'll keep it brief.

Which FKK did I visit? Artemis. Berlin.

Look of the girls? You can definitely find more than one that you like, either natural or plastic, tall or short, thin or not thin, in all colors (not all. I didn't see any asians).

Overview: You are wearing a robe and the girls walk around wearing nothing or close to nothing and they are spread out around the property. Some will approach you and some won't.

They are down for whatever:

Oh, you want your dick sucked in the movie theater, cool.

Oh, you want a threesome with anal, cool.

Oh you want her to stick her tongue in your ass, cool. LOL. I'm not even joking. Facts.

It feels like a strip club where you are a lot closer to the girls because you are both naked and yes, you can comfortably chill there for hours.

I'll give the same advice that I received before going. Take it for what it is. Don't expect magic and definitely don't expect GFE (I would not pay for anything GFE related). Have fun and treat it like a spa. Meaning take a walk in the pool, then bust a nut. Get a massage. Take a quick nap in the corner, wake up, bust a nut. Eat a light dinner (included). Hop in the sauna, then go home or bust another nut. Think of it as the girls are amenities there for you, the patron. If you look at it like that, you will feel more like a native, fully able to navigate the calm and hostile FKK waters.

Final thoughts: Give it a shot. Check it out. The experience is well worth it. I'm going to go one more time in the frankfurt area for the sake of comparison and I plan to say longer than 3 hours this time.

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Agree this is not the right place for this, but you started it.

FKK is something everybody should try once. It's a mind f. Like you can't wrap your head around it. The ones in Frankfurt are known to be among the best all that there's not much to do in Frankfurt otherwise. I did a few layovers there. You literally walk around with a robe or towel deciding which girl you're going to bang. Like it's just crazy walking around thinking which girl will get your spunk today because they can't possibly all and you need to ration it. It's nuts.

Only downside is once you've done it once, it's not as magical the second or third time. It's still good but the shock and awe is gone.

Everyone at least once must experience the magic.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2768426]For starters, I know this is not the right forum. However, I wrote that I would briefly report my FKK experience for those GFE guys, like me, that have curiosities.

I'll keep it brief.

Which FKK did I visit? Artemis. Berlin.

Look of the girls? You can definitely find more than one that you like, either natural or plastic, tall or short, thin or not thin, in all colors (not all. I didn't see any asians).

Overview: You are wearing a robe and the girls walk around wearing nothing or close to nothing and they are spread out around the property. Some will approach you and some won't.

They are down for whatever:

Oh, you want your dick sucked in the movie theater, cool.

Oh, you want a threesome with anal, cool.

Oh you want her to stick her tongue in your ass, cool. LOL. I'm not even joking. Facts.

It feels like a strip club where you are a lot closer to the girls because you are both naked and yes, you can comfortably chill there for hours.

I'll give the same advice that I received before going. Take it for what it is. Don't expect magic and definitely don't expect GFE (I would not pay for anything GFE related). Have fun and treat it like a spa. Meaning take a walk in the pool, then bust a nut. Get a massage. Take a quick nap in the corner, wake up, bust a nut. Eat a light dinner (included). Hop in the sauna, then go home or bust another nut. Think of it as the girls are amenities there for you, the patron. If you look at it like that, you will feel more like a native, fully able to navigate the calm and hostile FKK waters.

Final thoughts: Give it a shot. Check it out. The experience is well worth it. I'm going to go one more time in the frankfurt area for the sake of comparison and I plan to say longer than 3 hours this time.

02.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2768426]For starters, I know this is not the right forum. However, I wrote that I would briefly report my FKK experience for those GFE guys, like me, that have curiosities.

I'll keep it brief.

Which FKK did I visit? Artemis. Berlin.

Look of the girls? You can definitely find more than one that you like, either natural or plastic, tall or short, thin or not thin, in all colors (not all. I didn't see any asians).

Overview: You are wearing a robe and the girls walk around wearing nothing or close to nothing and they are spread out around the property. Some will approach you and some won't.

They are down for whatever:

Oh, you want your dick sucked in the movie theater, cool.

Oh, you want a threesome with anal, cool.

Oh you want her to stick her tongue in your ass, cool. LOL. I'm not even joking. Facts.

It feels like a strip club where you are a lot closer to the girls because you are both naked and yes, you can comfortably chill there for hours.

I'll give the same advice that I received before going. Take it for what it is. Don't expect magic and definitely don't expect GFE (I would not pay for anything GFE related). Have fun and treat it like a spa. Meaning take a walk in the pool, then bust a nut. Get a massage. Take a quick nap in the corner, wake up, bust a nut. Eat a light dinner (included). Hop in the sauna, then go home or bust another nut. Think of it as the girls are amenities there for you, the patron. If you look at it like that, you will feel more like a native, fully able to navigate the calm and hostile FKK waters.

Final thoughts: Give it a shot. Check it out. The experience is well worth it. I'm going to go one more time in the frankfurt area for the sake of comparison and I plan to say longer than 3 hours this time.

02.[/QUOTE]LshRoomer, my recommendation is to check out Bernds and Babylon in the NRW region. These ladies in these two establishments provide nice GFE. Although the quality of Bernds dropped they are still good compared to other FKKs. You won't go wrong, trust me.

[QUOTE=Artvand1;2768510]LshRoomer, my recommendation is to check out Bernds and Babylon in the NRW region. These ladies in these two establishments provide nice GFE. Although the quality of Bernds dropped they are still good compared to other FKKs. You won't go wrong, trust me.[/QUOTE]The NRW region is my least favorite for FKKs in Germany. Much prefer Frankfurt, Hamburg, Berlin, and even the Munich scene where PSE sex is very common, including lots of anal on offer.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2768269]I have met so many women over the years who claim women don't care about looks, and they're totally full of shit. Women can be, and usually are, just as superficial as men are. If a man cares about looks 95% of the time, then a woman cares about looks at least 90% of the time. And as far as I'm concerned, that's a difference that makes no difference! Women are superficial and care about looks, especially with women's lib and their newfound freedoms and independence, and don't let them snow you into believing anything else in an effort to make themselves appear not superficial, and therefore "better" than men.[/QUOTE]Cane, I have been with a stripper in a club when she was dressed as a civilian. She showed me how a dancer thinks when she asked "What guys in here do you think have the most money?" There was nothing about looks, and I honestly had never looked at a strip club like that before.

I also had a woman show me her seeking account. She had dozens if not hundreds of replies. The number of scammers were staggering. I guess a few of the scammers were attractive, but there were four guys I picked out as legit meaning they could afford to pay her, and she picked the same four.

I am not sure I would say caring for money over looks means women are less superficial. As for looks versus money with women, any decent looking woman can find and fuck a guy who is good looking. Hell, even the not so decent looking women can have that.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2767879]Move on to Mxico. So much better and less bull shit then Colombia. Especially if you have a decent budget you will love it.

The only reason to go to Colombia is if you are into Fake Asses or you are cheap. If you have any standards, you will probably hate Colombia and all the be. S. That comes with it. Sorry Elvis.
[/QUOTE]LOL. Actually my gal and her daughter both hate paisas and Medellin. Medellin has a Las Vegas type moral attitude and Bogota is more like NYC. There was a big difference in attitude between the two cities with women.

But you go where the gems are and honestly DF pre-covid, I did not do well in CDMX. After Covid hit, it was amazing.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2768691]Cane, I have been with a stripper in a club when she was dressed as a civilian. She showed me how a dancer thinks when she asked "What guys in here do you think have the most money?" There was nothing about looks, and I honestly had never looked at a strip club like that before.

I also had a woman show me her seeking account. She had dozens if not hundreds of replies. The number of scammers were staggering. I guess a few of the scammers were attractive, but there were four guys I picked out as legit meaning they could afford to pay her, and she picked the same four.

I am not sure I would say caring for money over looks means women are less superficial. As for looks versus money with women, any decent looking woman can find and fuck a guy who is good looking. Hell, even the not so decent looking women can have that.[/QUOTE]You're not just talking about "women". You're talking about a "specific subset of women" (strippers and prostitutes) where money is going to overrule almost everything else. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about women who are looking for meaningful, serious relationships. In those circumstances, women can be just as shallow as men in terms of who they give a chance too (physical attraction being the key).

[QUOTE=TheCane;2768668]The NRW region is my least favorite for FKKs in Germany. Much prefer Frankfurt, Hamburg, Berlin, and even the Munich scene where PSE sex is very common, including lots of anal on offer.[/QUOTE]Interesting, thanks for your reply! Never knew PSE was common in FKKs LOL. Good to know. Will definitely try out next time I visit. Of course these would be extras that we negotiate with the girl, right?

Hi.

Anyone used seeking in Nordic region? I have a job offer that provides option to choose between Finland, norway or sweden and I was wondering what would be best place to meet non-professional or semi-professional girls. I have tried seeking in Estonia and most of the real pretty girls are expecting at least $1 K per meeting which isn't sustainable for me in long term.

Thanks.

This girl texted me today that she got married and she can longer fuck me.

Sad but weirdly happy for her. No idea why.

We stay in touch but I got to be very discrete. Sex is off the table and she says money is off the table as well.

Experiencing this phase of sugar dating for first time.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2693514]For me, this has to be Miss J. She lives about a couple of hours away from me. But never says no. If I feel like having a good fuck, and tell her to get her ass (well, pussy) to me, she does.

Once I told her at 3 PM and she was kissing me at my personal bar at 7 PM. I had not even started to fondle her, but when I slipped my fingers down there after a few kisses, she was soaking wet. Pulled it down, unzipped and I was inside her in like 30 secs. We went on to fuck 3 times just that night. And 3 more next morning before she left at 11 AM.

We would have a 45 min session in bed, I lay on her for few minutes and we go to shower with the idea of washing off. But, while in shower, things heat up and before we know, we are fucking in the shower.

There was another occasion I was visiting her town in work. Had booked this hotel with sauna and pools at the ground floor. We go to sauna (maybe, 10 other people there naked). She sits next to me. I pretend as if I am holding her waist. But soon, she is seated on my palm and my fingers are inside. She is wet again.

We exit sauna, go upstairs to my room and fuck.

She is so horny that she sometimes initiates sex before I do. I love that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2768980]This girl texted me today that she got married and she can longer fuck me.

Sad but weirdly happy for her. No idea why.

We stay in touch but I got to be very discrete. Sex is off the table and she says money is off the table as well.

Experiencing this phase of sugar dating for first time.[/QUOTE]I got the sane message from the model and I kind of had the same feelings as you did. We had become more friends then anything else.

I have to agree with Elvis we probably would have never met if Covid would not have happened. The minute restrictions were eliminated she changed and moved on.

She is hooking up with a guy from Europe. He is half my age and way better looking.

Time to move on and find something better, I never really ever stopped looking and hooking up with other girls, because I knew this day would come sooner or later.

It's not like the FKKs don't have robust discussions in their own threads.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2768704]You're not just talking about "women". You're talking about a "specific subset of women" (strippers and prostitutes) where money is going to overrule almost everything else. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about women who are looking for meaningful, serious relationships. In those circumstances, women can be just as shallow as men in terms of who they give a chance too (physical attraction being the key).[/QUOTE]I think what The Cane is saying is that with certain women the more money we have the better looking we get. LOL.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2769132]I think what The Cane is saying is that with certain women the more money we have the better looking we get. LOL.[/QUOTE]Now that's [B]definitely[/B] strippers and prostitutes my friend! And like the darker it is the better they look too LOL!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2769132]I think what The Cane is saying is that with certain women the more money we have the better looking we get. LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL. Okay, let's move on to the experts and settle this.

The hot crazy matrix is the absolute truth.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg[/URL]

At 6:29, "Once you cross a certain line and have sufficient amounts of money, it is no longer relevant how hot you are. "

And this is all women.

Thing is this line is a helluva lot less is certain countries than others.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2768374]My reasons for going to Colombia is that it's closer to my preferred timezone (CDMX is about 1. 5 h the other direction) and I legitimately think the optics are better here.[/QUOTE]They are. It is just CDMX has like 3 X as many people as Bogota and 8 X as many as Medellin, so you will see more hotties percentage wise in Colombia, but there are probably more overall in CDMX.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2768374]Both girls had this willingness to please which made me very happy and was overall lacking in Argentina. If the girls I'm Barranquilla are like her, meeting a younger one would make me very happy.[/QUOTE]Willing to please? This reminds of like 30 or 40 years ago when guys wanted the Asian woman who supposedly lived to please and care for their man. Now there are fewer Asian women, and there is this interesting Netflix show called Love is Blind and then did a season in Japan. There was this Japanese hottie who was underwhelmed by the shape her man was in when she first saw him. In order for her to go through with the marriage, she put him through a physical boot camp and to his credit, the guy did as he was told, and they got married. Still, that notion of the docile compliant Asian woman was dead, and we are now in the age of the Asian Dragon ladies.

OTOH, I was talking to my Spanish teacher in Mexico about my GF and all she does, and she nodded her head and said, "Yes, that is what Latin women do. " And I was like, "Well, maybe not all Latin women. ", and I was thinking which one of those countries were the best care takers.

Ted, I agree with you and would put the Argentines on the low end of the caretaker spectrum. Almost every woman I met was almost American like in their desire to have sex in a transactional way. I felt nothing from them in regards to care taking.

Sadly, I never got that close to a Brazilian woman. Yes, they were intimate and open in the bedroom. In fact, I think it would be very much like them to have great sex with you and tell them you are the best lover they have ever had one night and say the same thing to a guy they slept with the night later. Thing is with a Brazilian woman they would really mean it. But I have not seen them in caretaker mode so I do not know where they rate. I would bet they rate high but I do not know.

My second to the bottom would be Venezuela. I had an ex-fiance of this type and saw her friends and family in action. They were not as uppity as the Argentines and sexually they are good, but I never saw anyone of them really do the caretaker thing for their man. Yeah, many are smart and highly educated, and that maybe is the problem. Instead of seeing themselves as someone who supports their man, they see themselves as equals and ask, what care taking are you doing for me?

I think most guys here are missing out if they are not with a Paraguayan. They are often really hot and open sexually. Yeah, they put themselves at a bit of a distance but not like the sterile Argentines, and they are great care takers. If you give a Paraguayan woman an orgasm, she will clean your whole damned house. It is too bad the country is so damned hard to get to.

Peruvians have all the great qualities of the caretaker Latina women. Like I said, the issue with them is looks. There just are not many Peruvian beauties.

With Mexican women, they have what I have described and DF agrees with is the Mexican wall. It is almost like Mexican women have this wall where they do not want to allow you in. I think it is because they so want to love everyone and are afraid of not being loved back or mistreated. I think Mexican women are under rated sexually but the real under rating comes in their care taking role. Once I set the limit of caring at a sugar relationship with its appropriate boundaries, the Mexican women showed me their great care taking roles. With the women I traveled with, they cooked for me without my asking, cleaned our place every day and happily did everything I asked for. I was curious what these women would do for a husband or BF they were in love with. I would bet they spoil them silly.

When I was in the P4 P world in Colombia, the women were just as distant as the Argentines, and I really had no desire to return, but a friend went on and on about it. I then read Routard's reviews of Colombia and wondered if I were missing something. Certainly not all women possess the caretaking gene I have seen, but it is there. Not only with my current gal, but there were two others I got to know and was very intimate with before her. No, the Colombian women are not as sexually skilled as the Brazilians. They are not as sophisticated as the Argentines or Vennies. Looks wise, IMO, they are below Brazil and even with Paraguay and Venezuela. But sexually, I have never had a Colombian woman who cares about me turn me down even if they are asleep at 4 AM. In fact, everyone of them I have really gotten to know has been hornier than me. It is that care taking nature that is what sets them apart. There is no holding back, no wall like the Mexicans. It is almost like the good Colombian women I have met are looking to do things to please you and to me, that is what makes them special. They are typically happy and desperately want you to be.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2768374]I suspect there's more cultural overlap with the girls in CDMX, who appear to be more intelligent and refined. The way they talk on WhatsApp suggests they're almost aggressive. I told one girl I didn't know when I was in town, and she replies a few days later with "entonces? She was quite upset I didn't have answer for her yet.[/QUOTE]Well, yes, CDMX is like NYC in that there is a do not waste my time big city mindset.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2768374]Mexico appears to be a place where you sacrifice optics for personality.[/QUOTE]Nah, in the Latin world, CDMX is second IMO only to Sao Paulo when it comes to number of tens.

That was a pretty funny video. I like Dana.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2769220]LOL. Okay, let's move on to the experts and settle this.

The hot crazy matrix is the absolute truth.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg[/URL]

At 6:29, "Once you cross a certain line and have sufficient amounts of money, it is no longer relevant how hot you are. "

And this is all women.

Thing is this line is a helluva lot less is certain countries than others.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2769220]LOL. Okay, let's move on to the experts and settle this.

The hot crazy matrix is the absolute truth.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg[/URL]

At 6:29, "Once you cross a certain line and have sufficient amounts of money, it is no longer relevant how hot you are. "

And this is all women.

Thing is this line is a helluva lot less is certain countries than others.[/QUOTE]This was awesome and super funny. If you find a 9 that's at 2 or 3 crazy, it's a tranny. LOL.

Your looks are mostly meaningless to a woman that simply wants to extract cash from you. That's mostly prostitutes and strippers without a doubt.

02.

I have started using SA for over last one year and since I am based in Doha currently did not have much success. Came across only hookers or scammers and did not really materialize anything except for a below average experience with a Asian woman (as it turned out later) and a nice encounter with Indian girl back in Mumbai while travelling.

So I was in touch with this girl over SA for last five months who travels between Doha and other places over chat who stayed a block away from my office. I was had my doubt to ahead with a meet and she was travelling so it took some time. Long story short finally met this girl last weekend and it turn out yo be best find for me over last 4 years my mongering times.

She is a Argentine, grew up in US and Spain, well conversant in 4 languages and travelled across places. Had a good time chilling out and then the sex was amazing. Never had this in my life so far.

Wondering why I was spending money over hookers and call girls for mechanical, meaningless sex for so long.

She is keeper and this SA does works but requires patience.

Cheers,

Manwithmotive.

It's been over 10 years since I've last been on the site. I started nearly 20 years ago when I made my first trip to the DR in 2003. I have been to Philippines (Cebu) , Colombia, Argentina, Brazil, Tijuana and Vancouver BC. This site was always a resource for me. However, for the past 10 years I have been on Seeking Arrangement. I am just a 50+ overweight guy and I have had enormous success on that site.

I reside in the Nor Cal area and live a few blocks from a major university. At seems likes every year I meet a 20-22 year old junior or seniors who recently joined the site. My profile is pretty popular I used a pic of myself dancing in Buenos Aires, Argentina. At first I was surprised at the interest because in the hobby I am labeled as a "AA" so, it's difficult to get any action there.

When I get a girls number I check to see if it's an app number or an iPhone number (can't differentiate Android from app) So. If's it's blue I usually have more success. I either meet at Starbucks or at the mall when I am in San Diego. I like to meet first because it weeds out the the escorts (they don't meet for free) and am able to get a feel of their sexuality. For the most part, the girls I meet are highly intelligent but are somewhat short on funds.

In the early years on the site PPM was not used. It was based on monthly but they have phased that out along with your income. Having mongered for over 20 years It took a lot of hard work to finesse an Arrangement. You guys know how American women are. They conflicted with the money for sex thing. I will not take women on dates like I am actually dating them. I am pretty direct with them I like intimacy. When they say they don't want something transactional, I ask if they would feel better if I didn't pay them. That usually does the trick.

I don't meet at my place always a hotel. I like using UBER or Lyft it's great. My PPM ranges from $150- $500. I rarely pay the $500 it's number they through out. I usually pay $300 for bareback and it's totally GFE. The college girls some white but mostly Latinas like to swallow and MSOG.

When I am in San Diego it's much higher quality there and more women by far. The price structure is the same $300 + or less. The women in San Diego are so hot. Anywhere you go in warm month the women wear short shorts. I just happened to meet a 22 Blasian girl that had the sexiest legs with her butt hanging out. No matter who I meet in SD they almost always come like that. A.

After talking a bit I take them over to Victoria's Secret and they send videos of themselves in outfits. I pick something and we are off to the hotel. It's so awesome there I can't remember the last time I went to Tijuana. It's PSE on steroids. I can post pics if some of you are interested.

For those of you who haven't tried SA, I highly recommend it. I ask these young ladies when I meet them about dating older guys. Almost all of them say they have been dating older guys when they were in high school. A few of them before that. Most of them saying that they dated their teachers. It's not all about looks!

Great insight. I had given up on SA, everyone in South Florida was asking 400-500 and under 24 was even higher. Maybe it just takes time and patience. Will try it again.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2770032]It's been over 10 years since I've last been on the site. I started nearly 20 years ago when I made my first trip to the DR in 2003. I have been to Philippines (Cebu) , Colombia, Argentina, Brazil, Tijuana and Vancouver BC. This site was always a resource for me. However, for the past 10 years I have been on Seeking Arrangement. I am just a 50+ overweight guy and I have had enormous success on that site.
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[QUOTE=Gfefan;2768980]This girl texted me today that she got married and she can longer fuck me.

Sad but weirdly happy for her. No idea why.

We stay in touch but I got to be very discrete. Sex is off the table and she says money is off the table as well.

Experiencing this phase of sugar dating for first time.[/QUOTE]Don't write her off at all. Just keep a friendly tone. She will be back at the second time she feels shunned by her husband. I have three direct experiences.

A) This first girl even invited me to her wedding and I took my then current GF with me. I told GF that this girl was an ex-employee. 6 months later I get a call from the newly married girl, now with new bolt-ONS. Wanted to meet for coffee at my place as didn't want to be seen outside, had coffee then asked ot go to toiles but insisted on using my ensuite toiler so I followed her to the bedroom.

B) This next one got into a marriage and continued seeing me after abiour3 months when she realised the marriage wasn't going to work.

C) Just last Tuesday! I was screwing some sugar from 2018. She got married 2019, had a child 2020. She's screwing me again in 2022.

So for all these girls, they often return.

So true. I have SB in Medellin, few months back she found a boyfriend and told me she would love to have dinner with me but will bring her boyfriend too and no sex. I didn't make it to Medellin any so that never happened. 6 months later when I was texting her a few days back, she still has the boyfriend but is totally game to sleep with me.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2770298]Don't write her off at all. Just keep a friendly tone. She will be back at the second time she feels shunned by her husband. I have three direct experiences.

A) This first girl even invited me to her wedding and I took my then current GF with me. I told GF that this girl was an ex-employee. 6 months later I get a call from the newly married girl, now with new bolt-ONS. Wanted to meet for coffee at my place as didn't want to be seen outside, had coffee then asked ot go to toiles but insisted on using my ensuite toiler so I followed her to the bedroom.

B) This next one got into a marriage and continued seeing me after abiour3 months when she realised the marriage wasn't going to work.

C) Just last Tuesday! I was screwing some sugar from 2018. She got married 2019, had a child 2020. She's screwing me again in 2022.

So for all these girls, they often return.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2770032]... However, for the past 10 years I have been on Seeking Arrangement. I am just a 50+ overweight guy and I have had enormous success on that site.
I reside in the Nor Cal area and live a few blocks from a major university. At seems likes every year I meet a 20-22 year old junior or seniors who recently joined the site.[/QUOTE]My experience has been the same, in the same geographical area. I'm not overweight, but short, so maybe that all balances out in the looks department.

I find that I have to message 100 girls to get 40 in-app responses, which becomes only 13 off-app contacts. Yep, I also found that a blue bubble (iPhone) means a higher chance of success. From those 13 contacts, only 3 become meets, and about 1 BBFS hookup, usually paid but sometimes free.

I usually end up paying 500-600 / meet. I'm pretty picky about the girls I reach out to, and willing to pay a premium to get what I want. I always check ID for age too.

Arrangements end up lasting anywhere between 1 meet and a year. In my current arrangement, we went CFS for the first two sessions, but they were also unpaid besides some non-cash gifts. In the 4th session, I showed her my recent test results, and she agreed to go BB since then. We also agreed to an allowance with the understanding that it would be more times some weeks, and zero times other weeks. So far so good!

I'm attaching a pic of a previous 19 YO SB, 5'3, 105, sizeBcups, former track athlete, perfect body.

That is a fine piece of tang.

Good on you my man. Good on you. Living your life to the fullest.

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2770389]My experience has been the same, in the same geographical area. I'm not overweight, but short, so maybe that all balances out in the looks department.

I find that I have to message 100 girls to get 40 in-app responses, which becomes only 13 off-app contacts. Yep, I also found that a blue bubble (iPhone) means a higher chance of success. From those 13 contacts, only 3 become meets, and about 1 BBFS hookup, usually paid but sometimes free.

I usually end up paying 500-600 / meet. I'm pretty picky about the girls I reach out to, and willing to pay a premium to get what I want. I always check ID for age too.

Arrangements end up lasting anywhere between 1 meet and a year. In my current arrangement, we went CFS for the first two sessions, but they were also unpaid besides some non-cash gifts. In the 4th session, I showed her my recent test results, and she agreed to go BB since then. We also agreed to an allowance with the understanding that it would be more times some weeks, and zero times other weeks. So far so good!

I'm attaching a pic of a previous 19 YO SB, 5'3, 105, sizeBcups, former track athlete, perfect body.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Luminous;2770379]So true. I have SB in Medellin, few months back she found a boyfriend and told me she would love to have dinner with me but will bring her boyfriend too and no sex. I didn't make it to Medellin any so that never happened. 6 months later when I was texting her a few days back, she still has the boyfriend but is totally game to sleep with me.[/QUOTE]The real story is she wanted to have you take her and her boyfriend to dinner and not have sex? Why would she think anyone would be ok with that?

Well, sometimes you develop a connection with a person. I was not in love with her but I liked her as a person and I think she did too. I didn't think she was trying to squeeze a dinner out of me. It's like when you go to different city and meet an old friend, you go out for dinner, simple as that.

I am not saying I have not been taken advantage off, this just wasn't one of those.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2770549]The real story is she wanted to have you take her and her boyfriend to dinner and not have sex? Why would she think anyone would be ok with that?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2770549]The real story is she wanted to have you take her and her boyfriend to dinner and not have sex? Why would she think anyone would be ok with that?[/QUOTE]Obviously, because she liked his company and trusted his judgement. I have had SBs where I talked to them about their BFs all the time. Hell, with some, I would expect their wanting me to meet their BF and see if I approved. That is the daddy part of being a sugar daddy.

I was with a married SB and listened to her marital problems. Her husband would cum in < 20 seconds. She was a stunner, and I thought about pursuing more than a sugar relationship with her, but it became obvious to me that she loved him but was not sexually satisfied and so I was cool with just being her SD.

With another, she would hang out with these losers and I would listen to her talk about them. Thing is she was less good in bed when she was with them because she was not as horny, but I chastised her not on that but dating all these losers. She had super model type looks and still gave the best head I have ever gotten. Still, when she found the right guy, I kind of felt guilty seeing her and eventually broke it off. The whole point of being a SD is really doing what is best for your SB and having more than just a sexual relationship with them.

So when Luminous says his gal wanted to meet with him and not have sex, that tells me he is doing it right. He has more than just a P4 P relationship with his gal.

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2770389]My experience has been the same, in the same geographical area. I'm not overweight, but short, so maybe that all balances out in the looks department.

I find that I have to message 100 girls to get 40 in-app responses, which becomes only 13 off-app contacts. Yep, I also found that a blue bubble (iPhone) means a higher chance of success. From those 13 contacts, only 3 become meets, and about 1 BBFS hookup, usually paid but sometimes free.

I usually end up paying 500-600 / meet. I'm pretty picky about the girls I reach out to, and willing to pay a premium to get what I want. I always check ID for age too.

Arrangements end up lasting anywhere between 1 meet and a year. In my current arrangement, we went CFS for the first two sessions, but they were also unpaid besides some non-cash gifts. In the 4th session, I showed her my recent test results, and she agreed to go BB since then. We also agreed to an allowance with the understanding that it would be more times some weeks, and zero times other weeks. So far so good!

I'm attaching a pic of a previous 19 YO SB, 5'3, 105, sizeBcups, former track athlete, perfect body.[/QUOTE]Good job UCG! That is my kind of gal. And you are fishing in California? Is that right?

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2770389]My experience has been the same, in the same geographical area. I'm not overweight, but short, so maybe that all balances out in the looks department.
I find that I have to message 100 girls to get 40 in-app responses, which becomes only 13 off-app contacts. Yep, I also found that a blue bubble (iPhone) means a higher chance of success. From those 13 contacts, only 3 become meets, and about 1 BBFS hookup, usually paid but sometimes free.

I usually end up paying 500-600 / meet. I'm pretty picky about the girls I reach out to, and willing to pay a premium to get what I want. I always check ID for age too.

Arrangements end up lasting anywhere between 1 meet and a year. In my current arrangement, we went CFS for the first two sessions, but they were also unpaid besides some non-cash gifts. In the 4th session, I showed her my recent test results, and she agreed to go BB since then. We also agreed to an allowance with the understanding that it would be more times some weeks, and zero times other weeks. So far so good!

I'm attaching a pic of a previous 19 YO SB, 5'3, 105, sizeBcups, former track athlete, perfect body.[/QUOTE]My arrangements usually last a year but I have some that are semi-regular that are still on going for the past 3 years. These are a couple of arrangements I've had.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2770631]Good job UCG! That is my kind of gal. And you are fishing in California? Is that right?[/QUOTE]Yep, NorCal, where there's too many rich guys and not enough cute college girls. That's why it takes so many messages to land one good arrangement.

Attaching a pic of another former 2022 SB; she had just immigrated to the US earlier this year, so I picked her up on her first week on SA.

That's so interesting. I have never done SD that way. It's only ever been one night in town, maybe 2.

I'm married so I don't think I could get away with hiding a long term in town SB. But it sounds amazing.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2770629]Obviously, because she liked his company and trusted his judgement. I have had SBs where I talked to them about their BFs all the time. Hell, with some, I would expect their wanting me to meet their BF and see if I approved. That is the daddy part of being a sugar daddy.

I was with a married SB and listened to her marital problems. Her husband would cum in < 20 seconds. She was a stunner, and I thought about pursuing more than a sugar relationship with her, but it became obvious to me that she loved him but was not sexually satisfied and so I was cool with just being her SD.

With another, she would hang out with these losers and I would listen to her talk about them. Thing is she was less good in bed when she was with them because she was not as horny, but I chastised her not on that but dating all these losers. She had super model type looks and still gave the best head I have ever gotten. Still, when she found the right guy, I kind of felt guilty seeing her and eventually broke it off. The whole point of being a SD is really doing what is best for your SB and having more than just a sexual relationship with them.

So when Luminous says his gal wanted to meet with him and not have sex, that tells me he is doing it right. He has more than just a P4 P relationship with his gal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2770883]That's so interesting. I have never done SD that way. It's only ever been one night in town, maybe 2.

I'm married so I don't think I could get away with hiding a long term in town SB. But it sounds amazing.[/QUOTE]It's def challenging but I was able to progress beyond the "couple of meetups". I started with a night or two when traveling in the US. And that was amazing. Then I flew Alexa to Miami (not my home) for a couple days and that was AMAZING. I started doing discreet hometown quickies — like just dinner and room. Maybe 2-2. 5 hours. Then settled in on a hometown girl and did that on and off for a year. Then I met Shayla and we have progressed from that. Now she lives in an apt I own and we are like a real couple. Mind blowing. Recently flew together to Miami. Off the charts. More on that soon.

But yeah it can progress and progress and progress. Always another layer!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2771211]It's def challenging but I was able to progress beyond the "couple of meetups". I started with a night or two when traveling in the US. And that was amazing. Then I flew Alexa to Miami (not my home) for a couple days and that was AMAZING. I started doing discreet hometown quickies like just dinner and room. Maybe 2-2. 5 hours. Then settled in on a hometown girl and did that on and off for a year. Then I met Shayla and we have progressed from that. Now she lives in an apt I own and we are like a real couple. Mind blowing. Recently flew together to Miami. Off the charts. More on that soon.[/QUOTE]Hi Steve, having read your stuff for a long time and conversed with you directly it would seem you have a lot of flexibility in your marriage. Not to get too personal, but based on your posts it seems like don't ask, don't tell.

In any event, your travels are amazing and the envy of most of us here. You have many opportunities to work your SD magic in many USA Cities and several countries.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2771270]Hi Steve, having read your stuff for a long time and conversed with you directly it would seem you have a lot of flexibility in your marriage. Not to get too personal, but based on your posts it seems like don't ask, don't tell.

In any event, your travels are amazing and the envy of most of us here. You have many opportunities to work your SD magic in many USA Cities and several countries.[/QUOTE]You are right. I am living the time of my life right now. But no it's not exactly a flexible don't ask don't tell relationship. A couple things here that other marrieds might cobsider:

1. At first I was paralyzed that she might find out. But the more I thought about it I realized I'the be happier single than married at this stage. I want to keep things together "for the kids" for a couple more years. And she NEEDS me. She's very dependent on me. If things went south she's be waaaaay more fucked than I would. So it's kinda funny. I keep it private for HER sake not for mine. She's a smart girl tho. She prob knows something is up and too smart to push to hard because she knows she needs me more than I need her.

2. I work very hard to ensure all details are covered. If I say I am going out to dinner I make sure that place is open. I know the menu and "what I had". It's all made up. But she asks sometimes. Likewise I recently went in a trip and didn't actually go where she thinks I did. I took Shayla to Miami instead. But I had itinerary and hotel reservations for my pseudo location. Texted take off and landing at appropriate time zone adjusted times etc. It was a fuck load of work and very dicey at times! But totally worth the meticulous planning.

I guess those are my two key points to other married guys:

1. Consider how bad it would be if it all went south. Is it really that bad? Set your risk tolerance around this.

2. Engineer your opportunities and plan your cover story meticulously.

Or maybe I'm just fucking lucky. LOL.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2771344]I guess those are my two key points to other married guys:

1. Consider how bad it would be if it all went south. Is it really that bad? Set your risk tolerance around this.

2. Engineer your opportunities and plan your cover story meticulously.

Or maybe I'm just fucking lucky. LOL.[/QUOTE]Just stay single and free to leave at any time! No way in hell I could have the patience for all of that. No way no how!

Been trying to decide whether to write this up or not because it probably just sounds like gloating and in some ways it is. But I love YOUR stories and live vicariously through them. I read Medellin and So Paulo and a few other forums just because I love this shit. I love reading a good field report. And who else am I going to spill my guts to besides you guys! So here goes.

To put this in context, you guys know I have coin but I got a ridiculous bonus year end so even the frugal side of me was just stomped out of existence which made it twice as fun. Plus some of these activities aren't as unaffordable as you might think. I've included prices. Of course Shayla was just in girlfriend mode so no costs there.

Of course for those just catching up Shayla is my SB from January whos become more like my girlfriend. She lives in an apt I own and the rest is just BFGF. Despite our 35 year age difference we get on like a house on fire. Just adore each other and try to spend as much time together as we can.

We flew into Miami and took an Uber to our beachside hotel because the cars we wanted don't hold luggage. LOL. So our first night we were car free. We got in around noon and had some sushi by the beach. Super good and so nice to be with my girl with no time limits! We did this once before with a mountains vacation and this even topped that.

Honestly tho our first day was def not the best of the lot. We had a fun time kicking around and walking on the beach but spent a fair amount of time figuring where we were going to get weed since it's illegal in Florida. Managed to score some finally. And had a lovely steak dinner at a high end steak house. Wagyu filet and cap ribeye. Wow. And wow on the bill too - $350. Worth it? Yea but just barely.

Oddly despite a couple advances sex never happened. This was a bit disconcerting but part of things being a bit more BFGF and not just someone I'm paying to suck my dick. But we fixed this totally the next day and beyond. Crashed like big dogs and slept in.

Got the car delivered to the hotel at 11 AM. A BMW I8 with suicide doors and all in metallic bright blue. Total head turner and great fun. Had it two days. $560 including delivery to our doorstep. Felt pretty badass. Had a nice lunch but had to keep it brief as we decided to book Parasailing at 1.

If you haven't parasailed you need to. Wow. That is something. We were up 400 feet in a tandem rig and drove right along the beach. It's pretty nerve wracking but amazing st the same time. High recommend. $300. Followed this up with Thai couples massage at 4 PM. Also high recommend on Thai massage. They really work and stretch you. Fixed a couple joint / back problems Shayla had. She was over the moon.

Can't recall exactly when but I brought up the fact that we didn't have sex day one and it was disappointing and I'the tried to initiate twice. Again now we are in BFGF land. She was really nice about it and said she didn't know I was trying to initiate and she is such a nerd she doesn't know how to handle these things but rest assured she always wants to have sex with me and just let her know and it's on.

So I made it a lot more clear when I was initiating after massage and before dinner and wow did we have some great sex. Not as good as nights two and three (stay tuned) but amazing nonetheless. Amazing dinner at an Asian fusion place by the water. $250. And a night in of smoking drinking and cuddling.

Third day we discovered the sixth floor dining and pool area. Duh why didn't we find this before! We ate breakfast at the restaurant there and it was mostly comped because she's a diamond member which was sweet. But the pool area overlooking a panoramic beach was priceless. Went to the beach first and had a glorious time. She loves the beach. Got super sandy but had fun. Then spent the remainder of the day in a poolside cabana now THAT is my style. Def king of the world.

Helicopter ride at 3:30. This was absolutely one of the best experiences of my life. Never done it before. It was epic. Just indescribable. And with my girl. Highlight of the trip. $700. Save your pennies and put this on your bucket list!

Had some amazing sex after the helicopter and I mean best so far particularly for her. She musta cum at leave five times maybe more. She literally couldn't walk after. Just a great time. Went for barbecue and the Casino after that where we lost a tidy pile of cash but she had fun. Not my fave. Great fun driving the I8 tho. Crashed hard again not even late really.

Last day was mostly poolside. Just lounging together and her in that bikini. Fuck she looks good. She pretty much initiated sex at some point when we were back in the room. Musta been morning because we checked out at 1. She straddled me on the chair and started kissing me and of course it was on after that. She dominated me a little bit from on top and I rather liked it. We got those skinny jeans off and I fingered her while we made out. Then Asian cowgirl in the chair. Wowza! After a while we moved to the bed — I literally carried her with dick in pussy and legs wrapped around like a movie or something and it totally worked! Started in mish from there obviously then Steve 2. Steve. Mish. Doggie. Cowgirl. BJ. And a couple rounds of that. Finally finished CIM in Steve 2. Once again she had multiple Os some that were mind bending. She was an absolute floppy wet dishrag after we finished. Just done for. But a smile size of Texas. And then more pool time. LOL.

So it was a packed 3. 5 days but we made it count. Epic car. Parasailing. Helicopter ride. Just a dream really. As I say I wasn't counting pennies this trip but as you see above some of these things are affordable if you save up and only do them once. I would def do both parasailing and heli again in a heartbeat. And oh have epic sex also. 😋. Thanks for tolerating my rambling. Hope some of u enjoyed it!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2771344]

I guess those are my two key points to other married guys:

1. Consider how bad it would be if it all went south. Is it really that bad? Set your risk tolerance around this.

2. Engineer your opportunities and plan your cover story meticulously.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you. My only small caveat is to be prepared if you do get caught. I have several friends that thought they'd never get caught and when they did get caught, they were totally unprepared for it. For me, I accept it's possible (and maybe even likely) that I'll get caught. But I pretty much know what I will do, and how I will live, in case I am caught.

Many years ago, I had a friend who was mongering all the time. He was happily married and loved his kids. And so I asked him, "What if your wife finds out?" he then just asked me, "What if YOUR wife finds out?" I simply said that I was prepared for that to happen, and that we cannot do the crime unless we can do the time. " he just looked at me in shock and disbelief. He said he could NEVER lose his family, and so his wife finding out would never be a possibility. But he didn't even hide his mongering that well. He was so open about it. Anyway, he got caught. It was a huge scandal because he was always viewed as the perfect loving and caring husband and father. He also somehow lost his job too. I know someone else that lost his job after he got caught. I'm not sure why these guys lost their jobs, but I do know that they were unprepared for getting caught, and that probably played some role.

Hows NYC for SA? It seems like competition isn't as high for women as prostitution is illegal so men are willing to pay more, plus people also make a retarded amount of money here in NYC. Also hot profiles but not as hot as other European cities I am glancing at.

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2771388]Hows NYC for SA? It seems like competition isn't as high for women as prostitution is illegal so men are willing to pay more, plus people also make a retarded amount of money here in NYC. Also hot profiles but not as hot as other European cities I am glancing at.[/QUOTE]Sorry my experience is pre-COVID there but what I found was mostly hideously expensive girls but a few gems to be found. Tried out things with 4 girls. This was early in my journey.

1 Viet mix. College girl. Unbelievably naive and she loved every minute of it. She's never had real DATY before! It was Amazing. A true crush.

2 Chinese with long blond hair. Super nice time. Dinner drinks and sex. Quality.

3 35 year old first timer. Did not work out. But would have now that I am a experienced. But I was a newbie.

4 Peruvian. Straight up pro. Pretty meh experience.

Honestly going 2. 5 for 4 in my early days was pretty good. And the Viet college girl was a life experience I'the never trade. She was just so smitten with the whole idea of a sugar date and a nice restaurant and wow I still think about her.

So I would think you could find some gems. But lots and lots of work. Good luck!

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2771375]Totally agree with you. My only small caveat is to be prepared if you do get caught. I have several friends that thought they'd never get caught and when they did get caught, they were totally unprepared for it. For me, I accept it's possible (and maybe even likely) that I'll get caught. But I pretty much know what I will do, and how I will live, in case I am caught.
[/QUOTE]Good point, MW. With regards to why guys lose their jobs, my guess is because the emotionally devastating aspect of divorce takes its toll on them in the work place, and they do not perform as well.

After spending the money necessary to take care of the family, I spent money on my sugar babies, but I was shocked to learn that half the money I spent on them was considered stealing from my family. In Texas, they call it fraud against the community. That my wife was sitting on her ass and not working was not considered fraud. Amazingly, she got a job the day she filed for divorce though. I know guys will not do this, but it would have been better to have divorced before seeing other women. For all the belly aching and bitching about cheating though, there is a formula that most judges at least in Texas follow. The formula is 6% goes to the lawyers, and the man and woman split things 50-50 after the lawyers get their cut. If the man is cheating, the split goes 55 to the woman and 45 to the man.

If you are the bread winner, the lawyers try to hoist both lawyer's fees on you. Nope, she pays her lawyer out of her stash not yours, and this is probably the most important fact here for guys to know. After the ex was getting a $1000 bill every time she cried to her lawyer, she was begging to negotiate.

Like everything legal, it is best if you completely take emotions and "justice" out of the equation and just focus on the financial like lawyers do, but that is easier said than done. The court is literally determining your worth as a father and person.

Just finished my first week in Medellin and I'm comfortable to say Colombia can work for sugar dating. I did some things differently from the previous trip:

- Staying in Laureles, closer to the girls, which does indeed improve their punctuality. Laureles is more walkable and fewer of the (often shitty) American tourists who come here, although the buildings are not as well constructed than Poblado (bring earplugs).

- Focusing on quality over quantity. College girls with gym bodies, as opposed to the inexpensive, marginally employed country girls which make up much of the SA (and FB) scene here.

- Doing video calls to weed out the ones which are unsuitable for a longer-term relationship, flaky, boring, or purely interested in money. (Lots of the latter.).

In the first week this yielded a 20 year old 8. 5, part-time model with a great body, solid communication and ambition / intelligence. Brazilian asses spoil you, as I remember from my time in Argentina looking down at girls' asses and thinking "this doesn't look right". Not a problem in Colombia. Everything looks right from the back (albeit faces could improve). I could easily see this girl 3 x / week and live here in the sunshine, eating cheap but excellent food, going to bed early and not feeling an ounce of stress. *.

I find it amazing how easy it is to be happy here living on so little money. If I ever lost my job and lacked sufficient wealth, Medellin would be the top of my list. Start every day with eating out for breakfast, 90 minutes at the gym for both weights and cardio, relaxing a bit before lunch with a SB, back to my place for two rounds, and ending the day reading or video games after she leaves. I can't think of a way to improve on that right now, but open to suggestions.

I don't think I'll make it to CDMX. I'm having a hard time finding the optics I like there, even girls with acceptable bodies have me going hmm at their faces. Although the escorts from LaBoutique meet that criteria, probably an uphill battle converting those to SBs. The timezone also isn't great for giving me enough time to work out in the morning. I suspect the food will be better, weather sunnier, and perhaps more importantly, the variety of people and overall higher human development of a big city will grow me as a person more than a place like Medellin.

Now the real dilemma. Should I alternate 1 month in Brazil and 1 in Colombia throughout the year, with SBs in both locations, or should I commit to Brazil? Brazilian women have superb optics and better compatibility with my personality. The challenge is not staying more than 6 months there, which I've realized I could do by flying to Asuncion, Paraguay every other week for the work week. While a crap ton of flying (4 x2 h flights / month), this means I can spend every weekend in Brazil for 10 months a year (without overstaying visa or running into tax issues). Plus 1 month of travel for work, and 1 month of travel outside Brazil for vacation and that's a whole year. So there's the dilemma, commit to Brazilian booty (with a taste of Paraguayan) or make some time for Colombians and their sexual intensity?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2771359]Been trying to decide whether to write this up or not because it probably just sounds like gloating and in some ways it is. But I love YOUR stories and live vicariously through them. I read Medellin and So Paulo and a few other forums just because I love this shit. I love reading a good field report. And who else am I going to spill my guts to besides you guys! So here goes.
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So it was a packed 3. 5 days but we made it count. Epic car. Parasailing. Helicopter ride. Just a dream really. As I say I wasn't counting pennies this trip but as you see above some of these things are affordable if you save up and only do them once. I would def do both parasailing and heli again in a heartbeat. And oh have epic sex also. 😋. Thanks for tolerating my rambling. Hope some of u enjoyed it![/QUOTE]Thanks for the epic report!

The fact that you own a separate apartment where she stays for free, that's amazing! What will happen in the future when you two break up -- will you have to evict her?

I did a dumb thing with a former SB / GF this year; I signed a lease for an apartment, and we agreed that if we broke up, she would pay. But it's my name on the lease, so post-breakup now I pay and send her a bill, and then she pays me back within a week. She's been good about it so far, but I'm afraid it would get ugly if she stops paying.

On a separate note, I love that your SB was so straightforward about not getting hints and straight up telling you that she's always down for sex if you ask directly. And then I also noticed that she was super in the mood and initiated things after a few expensive and thrilling adventures. I've experienced the same -- after a really emotional experience, the girl is horny and ready.

An option is if she stops paying, terminate the lease and pay the termination fees. Money is temporary and assuming you live in US, basic money is not hard to make.

My rule is try to not get into long term commitments, but if you do, assume the worst case scenario and don't be pissed when it happens.

A boxer doesn't get into a fight assuming he will never get punched, in fact he goes in with a plan of how to handle the punches so he is never surprised. I have been caught without a plan and paid the emotional price and dollars for it.

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2771722]Thanks for the epic report!

The fact that you own a separate apartment where she stays for free, that's amazing! What will happen in the future when you two break up -- will you have to evict her?

I did a dumb thing with a former SB / GF this year; I signed a lease for an apartment, and we agreed that if we broke up, she would pay. But it's my name on the lease, so post-breakup now I pay and send her a bill, and then she pays me back within a week. She's been good about it so far, but I'm afraid it would get ugly if she stops paying.

On a separate note, I love that your SB was so straightforward about not getting hints and straight up telling you that she's always down for sex if you ask directly. And then I also noticed that she was super in the mood and initiated things after a few expensive and thrilling adventures. I've experienced the same -- after a really emotional experience, the girl is horny and ready.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Luminous;2771823]A boxer doesn't get into a fight assuming he will never get punched, in fact he goes in with a plan of how to handle the punches so he is never surprised.[/QUOTE]But remember what Iron Mike Tyson said. Everybody has a plan. Until they get punched in the mouth! LMAO LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2771633]...Now the real dilemma. Should I alternate 1 month in Brazil and 1 in Colombia throughout the year, with SBs in both locations, or should I commit to Brazil? Brazilian...[/QUOTE]I think you are just scratching the surface in Colombia based on my experience. It seems you have positive experience so why not stay longer and see how much better it gets and make your own decision. I started off from SA before FB when there were a lot of students going on SA experimenting. I still keep in touch with two that were students who was planning to become medical doctor when I met them. They eventually get info medical school but are not studying to become doctor, I guess due to competition is hard. Stay longer, at least for the first time, so you have time to see if you can upgrade, and the girls may consider you more permanent. The main drawback with more educated girls is they have a busy schedule which affect their availability.

[QUOTE=Luminous;2771823]An option is if she stops paying, terminate the lease and pay the termination fees. Money is temporary and assuming you live in US, basic money is not hard to make.[/QUOTE]Yeah, my backup plan is:

1) Ask what happened.

2) If no response, tell her I'm assuming she moved out, so I'm scheduling a locksmith to come change the locks.

3) If no response, come over with the locksmith.

4) Terminate the lease with a fee only after she's moved out. I don't want to get the landlord involved in the mess.

Hope I can stick to it if I get punched in the face, financially. It's not a big deal, under 2 k a month, I just don't want to be taken advantage of.

True. But having a plan is better than no plan.

And the Chinese saying "No war is won by the plan or without a plan".

[QUOTE=TheCane;2771844]But remember what Iron Mike Tyson said. Everybody has a plan. Until they get punched in the mouth! LMAO LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2771722]Thanks for the epic report!

The fact that you own a separate apartment where she stays for free, that's amazing! What will happen in the future when you two break up -- will you have to evict her?

I did a dumb thing with a former SB / GF this year; I signed a lease for an apartment, and we agreed that if we broke up, she would pay. But it's my name on the lease, so post-breakup now I pay and send her a bill, and then she pays me back within a week. She's been good about it so far, but I'm afraid it would get ugly if she stops paying.

On a separate note, I love that your SB was so straightforward about not getting hints and straight up telling you that she's always down for sex if you ask directly. And then I also noticed that she was super in the mood and initiated things after a few expensive and thrilling adventures. I've experienced the same -- after a really emotional experience, the girl is horny and ready.[/QUOTE]Glad to here you have plowed this ground before. Yeah we agreed she's going to be easy if I ask her to leave but who knows. But it's a sweet situation because I own it free and clear. Market price for rent is $2500/ month. So I can look at it one of a few ways. At one end it's paid for so it's completely free to let her stay there. At the other end I am forgoing $2500 a month so that's my cost. I choose to look at it in the middle. The cost of capital of what I actually invested in buying and upgrading. Looking at it this middle ground way she is getting a 2500 value and I am paying 1400 for the privilege of having her my girl. So major win win. If we had a falling out I'the let her stay for $1400 say and she had a good job. But right now we are stronger than ever at a year in!

Haha yeah doubt we were both on cloud nine after helicopter and fucking hit capped the experience. It was def top tier. 😋.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2771344]
I guess those are my two key points to other married guys:

1. Consider how bad it would be if it all went south. Is it really that bad? Set your risk tolerance around this.

2. Engineer your opportunities and plan your cover story meticulously.

Or maybe I'm just fucking lucky. LOL.[/QUOTE]Having been long term married and started this cheating game only 5 years into marriage I've managed to keep up the facade for 20+ years.

I too do the same and to be honest it is so ingrained as habit. I know words to use, how much detail to give without creating problems for later. I have multiple profiels on my travel plans and share 'openly' details.

One technique I always, always use is to invite my life partner on every trip. So if I am planning a SB escape to a city, I will put the dates on the calendar and invite my life partner and kids in parallel to creating the itinerary with the SB. In the 20 years of doing this I've never had anyone take up the offer. The few times where I have had people join me on legitimate business trips I've made sure it wasn't that much fun.

Another habit I have is not keeping condoms after an adventure. I always toss everything and rarely will bring home hotel paraphernalia.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2771633]JI don't think I'll make it to CDMX. I'm having a hard time finding the optics I like there, even girls with acceptable bodies have me going hmm at their faces. Although the escorts from LaBoutique meet that criteria, probably an uphill battle converting those to SBs. The timezone also isn't great for giving me enough time to work out in the morning. I suspect the food will be better, weather sunnier, and perhaps more importantly, the variety of people and overall higher human development of a big city will grow me as a person more than a place like Medellin.[/QUOTE]Ted, you are in the tourist season in Medellin: [URL]https://weatherspark.com/y/22535/Average-Weather-in-Medell%C3%ADn-Colombia-Year-Round[/URL].

And it lasts until mid-March so I agree with Nounce you should hang there. Issue with Medellin IMO was not the looks but the character of the women, a lot of gold diggers. But as you saw, there are women who come to Medellin from other places that do not have that attitude. I met a physical therapy student there who was wife material, and yeah, the food was rarely exceptional.

You will paying much more for a sugar baby in CDMX and the rainy season in Medellin and CDMX overlap. It is a tad warmer in Medellin than CDMX but the temps in both are pretty much the same year around. What varies is the rain and cloud cover which are much higher in the fall in both.

Bogota and Sao Paulo are both great cities for women, and I still think as good as SP is for women, it is a shit hole. Rio is nicer but I never thought of it as safe. Time and again, people who had been to Brazil told me about Curtiba. There are a lot of German immigrants in Brazil, which means a lot of blondes, and they raved about the city. Unlike the mess of SP and semi-mess in Rio, it is well organized and I was told the trains run on time. I am just not sure if the mongering scene / hot women in Curtiba is big enough there but it could be. Thing is the better times to visit these Brazilian cities is when the weather in Medellin gets worse.

I thought Cartagena would be sunny year around, and I was wrong. In the fall, it rains so badly in the fall that the flooding locked my gal in for two days. And now the weather is like I always pictured it, hot and dry.

With the great cities for women, in Bogota, the issues are the altitude, pollution, and weather. Sao Paulo is the traffic, pollution, and IMO lack of things to do. Asuncion has a better climate (though it can be very hot), but the main knock on it is it boring, and it is a pain in the ass to get to. The good thing about being hard to get to though is there is not as much competition.

With Paraguay, I wish I had been more forward. It is a poor country and the women were working for peanuts. I should have been more aggressive about just talking to lay women about being a sugar baby, but I was there before I knew what one was.

You know those beer promotions and you have like a few Bud Light gals or something like that. In Paraguay, the women were so cheap to hire there would be like thirty women hawking stuff. I did not approach said women and like I said, I wish I would have.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2771967]Time and again, people who had been to Brazil told me about Curtiba. There are a lot of German immigrants in Brazil, which means a lot of blondes, and they raved about the city. Unlike the mess of SP and semi-mess in Rio, it is well organized and I was told the trains run on time. I am just not sure if the mongering scene / hot women in Curtiba is big enough there but it could be.[/QUOTE]I can 100% vouch for what you say about women from Curitiba. One of the most gorgeous girls I ever met in Brazil was from there. I actually met her at Scandallo, and she told me of how her family came to Brazil from Germany a couple of generations ago. She looked like she had just stepped off of the immigrant steamship herself all blonde and blue in her sexy dress. It was a memorable session that I wrote about many moons ago. It always cracks me up when guys who like white chicks balk at going to Brazil because they don't think there are enough of them there. Works for me haha!

Anyway, because of that encounter with her, I started to do some research on Curitiba. Besides, my favorite MMA fighter of all time Anderson Silva is from there LOL! I came away believing that although Curitiba appears to be a great place to live in Brazil, the mongering scene doesn't seem to be that strong compared to other Brazilian cities I have been to (Rio, Sampa, and Porto Alegre). Well, I guess you can't always have it all! Another nice city that I learned about is Vitoria. But again, I don't think the mongering action there is that strong.

It's funny how you think Sao Paulo is a "shithole" and that Rio is "nice". In my view, almost all of Rio is a shithole with only Ipa, LeBlon, and Barra being parts of it that I think are truly nice enough for me to want to live. Like a Brazilian friend told me once, Rio is crowded, stinky, and dirty. Well, I guess I would consider Botafogo, but I don't consider that neighborhood to be particularly "nice". Very middle of the road. To me most of Sampa is just a giant concrete jungle without much unique character. But not necessarily a dump either. Well everyone has their own tastes right? Let's not go there again!

Just wondering what others have done to get around their blocking. Have tried using a different email account, no work. Wondering if they keep the block on my phone number? Or my IP address? Or my credit card address, name etc. How would I get back on?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2772114]
It's funny how you think Sao Paulo is a "shithole" and that Rio is "nice". In my view, almost all of Rio is a shithole with only Ipa, LeBlon, and Barra being parts of it that I think are truly nice enough for me to want to live. Like a Brazilian friend told me once, Rio is crowded, stinky, and dirty. Well, I guess I would consider Botafogo, but I don't consider that neighborhood to be particularly "nice". Very middle of the road. To me most of Sampa is just a giant concrete jungle without much unique character. But not necessarily a dump either. Well everyone has their own tastes right? Let's not go there again![/QUOTE]Cane, I guess what I am trying to say is what cities would you go back to or stay in if you were not going to monger. Sao Paulo, Asuncion, and Bogota (which I may have gone to one other time after my initial visit) are cities I never would go back to except for the women.

There are places like CDMX, NYC, the Cancun area, and the Orlando area where you could be there a year and not see and do everything. The women are just a bonus to the fun that can be had.

Then you have the ones in the middle, and I would put Medellin, Rio, Monterrey, and Cartagena in that mix. After a few months unless you get into a routine or have the excitement of new women, those cities will get boring after a few months or a year.

Dramafree told me how great Monterrey was, and I went and quickly accumulated a stable of amazing harem of women from seeking, but I could just go there and pop in and out for three or four days and screw to my heart's content and head to my favorite places to eat and drink.

Bogota was really the first foreign city where I used seeking with success but it was a place I had to stay for a while. Like always, I was wanting to expand and improve my harem, and my plans always included seeing my regulars but looking for fresh meat. You can see all the fun stuff in Bogota IMO in a day or two IMO, so outside of the women, the city got boring to me.

The issue is which one do you go for: the boring, exciting, or semi-exciting cities. With me, I guess I sought out the best values, and those are likely to be found more in the boring cities. In my case, I wound up moving my gal from a boring city to a semi-exciting one and we vacation frequently in the exciting places. That was not my plan, but it just kind of happened that way.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2771967]...Bogota and Sao Paulo are both great cities for women, and I still think as good as SP is for women, it is a shit hole. ....[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo is probably the most diverse city I have been to. It's a world class city when you consider the infrastructure, the park, the restaurants, night life. I can write a lot about it. But I can see why some will think it is a shit hole which is only part of it. I look at individual areas and each has it's charm.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2772114]To me most of Sampa is just a giant concrete jungle without much unique character. But not necessarily a dump either.[/QUOTE]That seems to be a fair assessment. In the past, when I have had to work for several weeks in NYC and Sao Paulo. During some of my free daytime hours, I would head to Central Park in NYC and Ibirapuera Park in SP to get myself in a green space away from the urban onslaught.

I bring up NYC because its a good comparison. I believe Manhattan is actually more densely populated than the center of SP. Similar to NYC, Sao Paulo is very cosmopolitan.

Cane, you mentioned the only nice areas in Rio are along the Southern coast (accurate). There was a silly discussion on the Rio thread in the recent past about staying in Centro so one would be close to the mongering. Yikes! If you are in Rio for leisure / mongering and even business if you have a choice of lodging, you stay in the areas you mentioned as well as Copacabana Beach and Leme Beach.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2771967]With the great cities for women, in Bogota, the issues are the altitude, pollution, and weather. Sao Paulo is the traffic, pollution, and IMO lack of things to do. Asuncion has a better climate (though it can be very hot), but the main knock on it is it boring, and it is a pain in the ass to get to. The good thing about being hard to get to though is there is not as much competition.[/QUOTE]I've didn't have decent sex in the 3 weeks I was in Bogota. The women were sophisticated and intelligent yes, but they had no rhythm and I had to do most of the work. Even if I found one who knew how to move eventually, the weather is a nonstarter for me.

For now, I'm sticking to Medellin because it's working and the weather is decent. Even if many of the women are gold diggers, they're less expensive overall than those in Brazil, and like you pointed out, not all of them are purely money oriented. If it doesn't work out, I'll check out Paraguay.

I suspect Paraguay will be less comfortable than Colombia. There will be fewer healthy food options even if the lodging / gyms are decent. If I look around Asuncion on Instagram, I see a lot of the thinner, more European body types I found in Buenos Aires. Nice from the front, but not much posterior development. Cheaper, better attitudes probably, but not ideal for bedroom activities.

Also, besides escorts there's not much of an online game, and I'm very much an online type of guy. Maybe I haven't found the right website for Paraguay. Or maybe now that I know both Spanish and Portuguese, I need to start approaching girls outside the online world to expand the pool of options.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2771344] I work very hard to ensure all details are covered. If I say I am going out to dinner I make sure that place is open. I know the menu and "what I had". It's all made up. But she asks sometimes. Likewise I recently went in a trip and didn't actually go where she thinks I did. I took Shayla to Miami instead. But I had itinerary and hotel reservations for my pseudo location. Texted take off and landing at appropriate time zone adjusted times etc. It was a fuck load of work and very dicey at times! But totally worth the meticulous planning.

[/QUOTE]Good words Steve! This to me seems to be the only way to maneuver. Any other way, you either don't care, or are simply waiting for problems.

If you have chosen to explore many girls for the experience (like me), then meticulous is word of the day, and of the night, and of anytime that you are on the road and want to keep your path private.

I always think of a smooth flow. Everything should match to support your narrative. This comes down to flights, delays, hotels, travel times, checkin texts (time zone specific), take off and layovers checkins, and of course city specific souvenirs (important for when you are in be and are supposed to be in A) and even travel email approvals. It really comes down to the simple thought that if you are going to do it, do it right and don't complicate your life by being sloppy.

Use an encrypted disk image for everything! She found a pic of you banging your Colombian SB. WTF is wrong with you? It's Impossible! She would have needed 22nd century tech to break your encryption (you get the point). Just make sure the door is always closed. 2nd and last entry point is the cell. If you don't have a 2nd cell (situation dependent), then know that with an audible exhale I'm sitting here writing with a silent nod of disapproval. LOL.

But seriously, for anyone that is starting their mission on the girl enthusiast route (trying hard not to steal that saying Steve) or the explorer of girls mission, don't create complication where it doesn't have to exist; cover your bases and keep it simple.

02.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2772182]Cane, I guess what I am trying to say is what cities would you go back to or stay in if you were not going to monger. Sao Paulo, Asuncion, and Bogota (which I may have gone to one other time after my initial visit) are cities I never would go back to except for the women.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't go back to Asuncion even for the women. So damn boring! And I'm not attracted to most of the women there who have a strong indigenous look. I did fuck a blanca there though. If one is interested in women in Paraguay one be better off in Buenos Aires. A much more dynamic city than Asuncion and full of chicas from Paraguay (I fucked a pretty, indigenous one in BA).

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2772138]Just wondering what others have done to get around their blocking. Have tried using a different email account, no work. Wondering if they keep the block on my phone number? Or my IP address? Or my credit card address, name etc. How would I get back on?[/QUOTE]I would guess:

- phone number: most probable.

- credit card: not likely, as families can share credit cards (you and your brother for example). And you sign up for an account before you even add a credit card.

- address: not likely, for the same reason as above.

- name plus above: not likely that sophisticated.

- IP address: not likely because if you're using SA at work (a bad idea), your IP address would be the same as anyone else at work.

So get a free TextFree burner phone number and try making a new account with that and a new email address together.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2772138]Just wondering what others have done to get around their blocking. Have tried using a different email account, no work. Wondering if they keep the block on my phone number? Or my IP address? Or my credit card address, name etc. How would I get back on?[/QUOTE]Here is something I wrote previously.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2724510]Have you been previously suspended? They have their own database of emails, names and addresses which they check against before sending to your credit card for processing. The times I have hit this wall the card operator is not seeing any traffic. So, I think you have a black mark in their database. Here is what I would do:

A) get a different email address (free gmail).

B) get a different card number.

C) Use a different street address but same Town & Postcode as your card.

Last time I had problems signing up I tried changing each of the above individually and was unsuccessful until I had all three changed. You will get very good at signing up gmail accounts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2772268]I wouldn't go back to Asuncion even for the women. So damn boring! And I'm not attracted to most of the women there who have a strong indigenous look. I did fuck a blanca there though. If one is interested in women in Paraguay one be better off in Buenos Aires. A much more dynamic city than Asuncion and full of chicas from Paraguay (I fucked a pretty, indigenous one in BA).[/QUOTE]While I was in Asunción a long time ago, the few hot, single women seemed to be all be already paired up with the older, affluent men. It doesn't take much for a man to be affluent in Paraguay. Some of my Paraguayan business colleagues had hotties on the side. They really didn't make a huge amount of money.

Perhaps a visitor can crack the sugar baby market, but you're always at a disadvantage to the local men if you are just looking for a one or two night stand. I think it's better to go with the numbers of hotties in larger South American cities.

Note: I believe Brazil and Argentina together invaded Paraguay and occupied Asunción in the mid-1800's. Apparently, neither had any interest in annexing it. LOL.

Have never been to Curitiba but the girls are great.

I had a great chemistry with one I met in Spain. She is from Curitiba.

Sad I moved and had to let her go purely because of logistics.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2772114]I can 100% vouch for what you say about women from Curitiba. One of the most gorgeous girls I ever met in Brazil was from there. I actually met her at Scandallo, and she told me of how her family came to Brazil from Germany a couple of generations ago. She looked like she had just stepped off of the immigrant steamship herself all blonde and blue in her sexy dress. It was a memorable session that I wrote about many moons ago. It always cracks me up when guys who like white chicks balk at going to Brazil because they don't think there are enough of them there. Works for me haha!

Anyway, because of that encounter with her, I started to do some research on Curitiba. Besides, my favorite MMA fighter of all time Anderson Silva is from there LOL! I came away believing that although Curitiba appears to be a great place to live in Brazil, the mongering scene doesn't seem to be that strong compared to other Brazilian cities I have been to (Rio, Sampa, and Porto Alegre). Well, I guess you can't always have it all! Another nice city that I learned about is Vitoria. But again, I don't think the mongering action there is that strong.

It's funny how you think Sao Paulo is a "shithole" and that Rio is "nice". In my view, almost all of Rio is a shithole with only Ipa, LeBlon, and Barra being parts of it that I think are truly nice enough for me to want to live. Like a Brazilian friend told me once, Rio is crowded, stinky, and dirty. Well, I guess I would consider Botafogo, but I don't consider that neighborhood to be particularly "nice". Very middle of the road. To me most of Sampa is just a giant concrete jungle without much unique character. But not necessarily a dump either. Well everyone has their own tastes right? Let's not go there again![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2772468]While I was in Asuncin a long time ago, the few hot, single women seemed to be all be already paired up with the older, affluent men. It doesn't take much for a man to be affluent in Paraguay. Some of my Paraguayan business colleagues had hotties on the side. They really didn't make a huge amount of money.

Perhaps a visitor can crack the sugar baby market, but you're always at a disadvantage to the local men if you are just looking for a one or two night stand. I think it's better to go with the numbers of hotties in larger South American cities. [/QUOTE]You are probably right, Wyatt. I just was not doing the SB thing when I was there and wished I had given it a go. FWIW, the best Paraguayans I had were not in Paraguay.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2772468]Note: I believe Brazil and Argentina together invaded Paraguay and occupied Asuncin in the mid-1800's. Apparently, neither had any interest in annexing it. LOL.[/QUOTE]Nah, Paraguay has unreal potential. Their politics are just fucked up. Electricity costs nothing: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Paraguay[/URL].

Even though it is land locked, it has a good river system for export: [URL]https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/paraguay-paraguay-parana-waterway-system[/URL].

And they have more fresh water than all the great lakes combined: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guarani_Aquifer[/URL].

As an American, I have wondered why we are so rich and South America so poor, and I think it is our culture and ability to think long term and reward it.

Someone, maybe it was you Wyatt, made the comment that the sugar babies who always seem to get the most money are the ones who ask for money the least and care the most about the longer term relationship.

With their soil, free water, and virtually free electricity, Paraguayans should be loaded not dirt poor.

Even tho I am pretty good at this game I am AMAZED at where Shayla and I have gotten to. Admittedly She's a horny beast more so than any girl I've ever met. But including our little Miami trip I saw her 6 out of 7 days. And we had mad sex 5 of those six. WTF? I'm getting fucking worn out! I feel like I've been lifting in the gym. My hips and shoulders are sore!

To be fair I've been really lighting her up. I get my one or two orgasms but she's doing 5 or 6. I Am absolutely rocking her world (advantage of being old!) and so I think she's up for it so much as a result. Last couple times have been massage / lotioning her back and legs and butt and that Butt. Oh my. It's something. So I start massaging and I'm getting horny and slip a cheeky finger under to her clit and do a few circles and it's on. Slide the panties to the left. Some intense gspot fingering. Leads to BJ. Leads to unreal sex.

Going to take a bit of a breather for a few days because we've been so full on. In related news, I Even let my Seeking membership lapse. Wtf? Coming up on our year anniversary and its still epic. Never had a gf like her.

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2772275]I would guess:

- phone number: most probable.

- credit card: not likely, as families can share credit cards (you and your brother for example). And you sign up for an account before you even add a credit card.

- address: not likely, for the same reason as above.

- name plus above: not likely that sophisticated.

- IP address: not likely because if you're using SA at work (a bad idea), your IP address would be the same as anyone else at work.

So get a free TextFree burner phone number and try making a new account with that and a new email address together.[/QUOTE]Apparently IP address does not matter. I put a different address number but same street, city and zip code for the credit card info and the charge went thru. Used a credit card that was different and put in a different first name on their pay page. Set up a Google Voice with a new, different phone number. And set up a new Google Email address. Worked this time with these changes. Thank you gentlemen!

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2772275]I would guess:

- phone number: most probable.

- credit card: not likely, as families can share credit cards (you and your brother for example). And you sign up for an account before you even add a credit card.

- address: not likely, for the same reason as above.

- name plus above: not likely that sophisticated.

- IP address: not likely because if you're using SA at work (a bad idea), your IP address would be the same as anyone else at work.

So get a free TextFree burner phone number and try making a new account with that and a new email address together.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am bad. I even got banned from [URL]Match.com[/URL] and they own alot of other dating websites, so I am banned from all of theirs.

I've started a tradition the last few years that is a win win win. I ask my top five girls what charity they want me to donate to for them and then donate 50-100 each depending on how aligned we are. It's a real win all around. The girls love it. Makes me feel good. And the charity wins too. High recommend — even if you start small with one or two girls and lower amounts. Everyone wins.

I rarely have bad experiences on SA but had one this week. Had to share.

Was in Houston for work. Connected with this Asian chick, 22 and thin and decently cute. It was hard to get one there so I was happy to have a date.

The girl who showed up was not the girl in the photos. I mean she was, but like 40 pounds ago.

I should've guessed when she said she wanted pizza or pasta for dinner.

Figured what the hell. I've got nothing else going on tonight. Had dinner. Tried to drink a lot. Back at the hotel she got undressed and I just was not attracted in any way.

I tend to view each encounter as a risk because there are risks. Risk of disease even though I use condoms. Risk of a crazy stalker. Risk of other stuff. This was just not with the nut.

I told her I realized I'm too old for her and can't do it. She said she has no problem but I took the fictional moral high ground. Gave her half the money we agreed, about 200 dollars, just to part on good terms and because one risk I try to manage is someone complaining to Seeking and I get banned. Walked her to her car, said some nice lies like I think she's a great girl with a great future. Total lies. And then went back and sulked at my bad fortune.

Sometimes you come up snake eyes. Part of the game.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2773760]Sometimes you come up snake eyes. Part of the game.[/QUOTE]I often have mediocre or bad experiences on SA. Comes with having high standards. These days I always do a video call before meeting. I've weeded out so many girls with doctored photos or gold digger attitudes. I don't feel inclined to roll the dice anymore, although I expect some of those who pass my screening will be weak in the bedroom.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2773760]I rarely have bad experiences on SA but had one this week. Had to share.

Was in Houston for work. Connected with this Asian chick, 22 and thin and decently cute. It was hard to get one there so I was happy to have a date.

The girl who showed up was not the girl in the photos. I mean she was, but like 40 pounds ago.

I should've guessed when she said she wanted pizza or pasta for dinner.

Figured what the hell. I've got nothing else going on tonight. Had dinner. Tried to drink a lot. Back at the hotel she got undressed and I just was not attracted in any way.

I tend to view each encounter as a risk because there are risks. Risk of disease even though I use condoms. Risk of a crazy stalker. Risk of other stuff. This was just not with the nut.

I told her I realized I'm too old for her and can't do it. She said she has no problem but I took the fictional moral high ground. Gave her half the money we agreed, about 200 dollars, just to part on good terms and because one risk I try to manage is someone complaining to Seeking and I get banned. Walked her to her car, said some nice lies like I think she's a great girl with a great future. Total lies. And then went back and sulked at my bad fortune.

Sometimes you come up snake eyes. Part of the game.[/QUOTE]Instances like these firm up my belief that SA in USA is high probability of bust than a good nut.

I never hoooked up via SA in US of A and probably never will as the girls, their shenanigans, amount of time to spend as well as rate they ask for is just not worth the hassle.

Those who are working through this, ............more power to them! Nothin against anyone's game!!

Merry Christmas!

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2773851]I often have mediocre or bad experiences on SA. Comes with having high standards. These days I always do a video call before meeting. I've weeded out so many girls with doctored photos or gold digger attitudes. I don't feel inclined to roll the dice anymore, although I expect some of those who pass my screening will be weak in the bedroom.[/QUOTE]If we exchange phone numbers then we exchange a few photos. Then complements. I tell them I will meet them for a meal, no promises. After we meet in person and feel interested I say we can talk about an arrangement. Most of the women then say they want some money up front or upon meeting. I say no. They ask what I am looking for, I say it depends on how we feel when we meet. They want to know what my range is, I say we have to meet first to see if we get that far. Its a game, back and forth. Then they say their time is valuable, I say my time is more valuable if they expect me to have more money to support them. Then one of us cancels. I have met 2 black women so far, first one had very large nose nostrils, second one looks like a street hooker. Neither one is what I am looking for. One White woman who met for a lobster dinner said she wanted $500 per meet, but that is above my limit when massage parlor girls are $200 a session.

So far nothing has landed in my fishing net that is worth keeping.

[QUOTE=MushElvii;2773903]Instances like these firm up my belief that SA in USA is high probability of bust than a good nut.

I never hoooked up via SA in US of A and probably never will as the girls, their shenanigans, amount of time to spend as well as rate they ask for is just not worth the hassle.

Those who are working through this, ............more power to them! Nothin against anyone's game!!

Merry Christmas![/QUOTE]So, I also think SA is very tough in the states, but I have decided to give it another shot. I have accomplished some goals at work and moved downtown, so that makes dating a lot easier and also a little cheaper.

I have been so successful in Mexico, it is time to get back in the wagon in the states. I have had some good results over the years. I am very happy living in San Antonio and I am in Austin a couple of days a week for work, so I have the best of both worlds San Antonio / Austin, there are lots of single available women in both cities. Even if it does not work out and I meet some cool chicks I can still go to Mexico and fuck for a weekend. I will still stay on the every other weekend in Mexico.

I have learned from my mistakes ans I will now require Video Chats, no exceptions,(time is money), this will eliminate most of the scams, maybe not all them, but it will certainly help. Good luck and Happy Holiday's.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2773924]If we exchange phone numbers then we exchange a few photos. Then complements. I tell them I will meet them for a meal, no promises. After we meet in person and feel interested I say we can talk about an arrangement. Most of the women then say they want some money up front or upon meeting. I say no. They ask what I am looking for, I say it depends on how we feel when we meet. They want to know what my range is, I say we have to meet first to see if we get that far. Its a game, back and forth. Then they say their time is valuable, I say my time is more valuable if they expect me to have more money to support them. Then one of us cancels. I have met 2 black women so far, first one had very large nose nostrils, second one looks like a street hooker. Neither one is what I am looking for. One White woman who met for a lobster dinner said she wanted $500 per meet, but that is above my limit when massage parlor girls are $200 a session.

So far nothing has landed in my fishing net that is worth keeping.[/QUOTE]If your budget is $200 then def stick to MP. You are not going to find a nice SA girl in the US for $200. That is beyond needle in a haystack.

If you bump to $300-400 you could have some luck but your method is handicapping you. You are basically asking a girl for an extra free date and she doesn't even know what you will pay in the end. This is a HUGE leap of faith most girls won't take. I always put sex and payment (not in those words) on the table first date. That way she knows she has a potential payout and how much. I make it clear we can both walk no harm no foul after dinner. But at that point she's gotten dressed and driven across town etc so if you have some game she's 50% of the way there. My advice would be try swapping to this method if you up the $$.

P.S. Yes white women have an inflated sense of their worth and will be much harder to come by. Fortunately for me I don't find most white women attractive. LOL. (And I don’t mean black either though. Latina and south Asian are my sweet spot with black after that and white dead last).

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2774111]If your budget is $200 then def stick to MP. You are not going to find a nice SA girl in the US for $200. That is beyond needle in a haystack.

P.S. Yes white women have an inflated sense of their worth and will be much harder to come by.[/QUOTE]Your post reminds me that I truly found a unicorn in Abby. A late 20's, hot, blue eyed blonde white chick who was hooking up with me for just $250 per meet with BBCIP! I mean just damn! We were bareback fucking from the get go for six months before she moved! I only did it because her tubes were tied. Sorry HumbleHal but I already found the needle, at least the one in that particular haystack LOL!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2774111]I make it clear we can both walk no harm no foul after dinner.[/QUOTE]Totally. This is my tactic too. I phrase it like the risk mitigation is mutual. That if we are both feeling it we can continue but if not I'll still offer a generous arrangement just to meet for drinks. But what I'm really saying is I will part with 25 percent to see her in person and decide there. It's the fee for the trouble to get out to me, dolled up and ready, since most of the time these girls don't live in the city centers I stay in when I travel. It seems fair.

Where do you suggest staying while sugar dating in town?

Hotels. Any favorites? Or if elsewhere and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=GileAders;2774214]Where do you suggest staying while sugar dating in town?

Hotels. Any favorites? Or if elsewhere and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]This is a no brainer. Hotels have reception. Screw that.

Get an Airbnb in condesa Roma Polanco juarez areas. Read the reviews to make sure no doorman.

Done.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2774355]This is a no brainer. Hotels have reception. Screw that.

Get an Airbnb in condesa Roma Polanco juarez areas. Read the reviews to make sure no doorman.

Done.[/QUOTE]Airbnb works great in CDMX, great advice about a doorman. 90% of the time they do not bother you, but make sure you double check the visitor policy. I have had a couple of issues where access was denied for my visitors. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2774111]If your budget is $200 then def stick to MP. You are not going to find a nice SA girl in the US for $200. That is beyond needle in a haystack.

If you bump to $300-400 you could have some luck but your method is handicapping you. You are basically asking a girl for an extra free date and she doesn't even know what you will pay in the end. This is a HUGE leap of faith most girls won't take. I always put sex and payment (not in those words) on the table first date. That way she knows she has a potential payout and how much. I make it clear we can both walk no harm no foul after dinner. But at that point she's gotten dressed and driven across town etc so if you have some game she's 50% of the way there. My advice would be try swapping to this method if you up the $$.

P.S. Yes white women have an inflated sense of their worth and will be much harder to come by. Fortunately for me I don't find most white women attractive. LOL. (And I dont mean black either though. Latina and south Asian are my sweet spot with black after that and white dead last).[/QUOTE]Yes, I splurged on the $500 pussy and was pleasantly surprised. She is now in my stable for once a week. Have tried one of the black girls with the big nostrils and boobs, but not sure when I will repeat with her if ever, she was a little weird trying to do a little dance in my apartment before and after sex and she was not very talented in the dance. Put off the black street walker looking woman for a few more days.

However there still are remarkable jewels in the $200 massage parlors for days when I want a cheap fuck. I am a value shopper, have more money that I could ever spend, so value is the answer not costs. My budget is what the woman is worth, although I do not tell them that or they will inflate their prices.

Most of the white women are dead fishes that expect us to pleasure them, they want their orgasm and figure we will cum anyway and be happy and all they have to do is lay there and moan a little when we do all the work.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2774111]You are basically asking a girl for an extra free date and she doesn't even know what you will pay in the end. This is a HUGE leap of faith most girls won't take. I always put sex and payment (not in those words) on the table first date. That way she knows she has a potential payout and how much. I make it clear we can both walk no harm no foul after dinner. But at that point she's gotten dressed and driven across town etc so if you have some game she's 50% of the way there. My advice would be try swapping to this method if you up the $$.[/QUOTE]My time is worth a lot more than hers, so I am not afraid to tell them that. Its like a job interview, people do not get paid for the interview. It they don't like it then they lose. Have already met 3 in the past week and fucked 2 of them, one is a keeper. Why should you pay them $400 to meet? Idiotic. My time is worth ten times that much, it really is with my income, especially if they expect to make 400 if I want to get into their pussy, and they need to know that.

I do tell them that if we feel comfortable and some attraction we MAY go back to my place if we worth out the details, I. E. How many times a week, wearing rubber or not, how long they will stay, etc. , but also No Guarantees. I agree, if the photos are not representative of them I will simply say I am not interested and walk out. If they think that is rude, its as rude as posting old photos of when they were slim and wasting my time to dress, shit shower and shave for the meeting, and I do not waste my dick on fat girls, life is too short. And if they ask too many questions then I tell them I am not interested in being interrogated, and bye, they are no fun any more, but a mooch trying to take advantage of some sucker and getting a guaranteed payout.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2774111]If your budget is $200 then def stick to MP. You are not going to find a nice SA girl in the US for $200. That is beyond needle in a haystack.[/QUOTE]I always start with $200 if the woman is not top tier and half the time they accept that amount. The black girl with big tits and nostrils accepted 200 and she was a fairly good fuck.

If the woman is top tier I ask what their last SD gave them and usually then tell me a figure that is $100 more than what he really paid them, so I tell them I am not rich (a lie) and say they should go back to their previous SD or accept $100 less and half the time they accept less. Women usually come up with some lame excuse why they are not able to go back to their previous SD, which is not true, like he moved away to another city. I have heard them all. But really they have the problems or they would be with their past arrangement, women normally do not want to leave a decent guy. Its the men that end it because they are bored with or sick of the girl and want something new.

Just had one who wanted to know "have you ever had an arrangement before?" The woman is trying to scope you out and see if you are easy prey, naive as a first timer, stupid and will overpay, with that question. Do not answer, just go on with Your question or some other subject. These women are established Pros. They will try to get some money before meeting you and then never show up, or try to over price themselves.

Then I had one ask "what is your budget for the night?" and they want to know, before meeting, how much money you have and can give them if they fuck you. You cannot win if you answer this question with an amount. And you could be banned if you respond with a figure. I have been banned before, so I know. The best answer is either to turn the question off or turn it around. Either, "I will not know" "until we meet and see if there is chemistry and we feel good about each other" or to turn it around and answer, "what is your value / price?" which is just as rude as their question.

Every question has an answer inside it, or a trick. They really want to know if you are a cheap Charlie or rich and easy pickings, so you cannot give them a number or you are dumb. You have not met them, its like offering money to buy a car you have not seen in person- that is dumb.

Another trick question women have is, "How long since you been divorced?" This is often asked in person or on the phone to get a spontaneous answer. They really do not care how long, they just ask it to make sure you are not still married, and they get their answer in the back door by asking "how long since". If you hesitate then they say you are a liar, because it took so long for you to answer.

Women are a cunning breed. Us men need to stick together and share all the information on this website to know all the tricks they are conspiring against us all the time! They read women's magazines. They talk among themselves.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2774515]Just had one who wanted to know "have you ever had an arrangement before?" The woman is trying to scope you out and see if you are easy prey, naive as a first timer, stupid and will overpay, with that question. Do not answer, just go on with Your question or some other subject. These women are established Pros. They will try to get some money before meeting you and then never show up, or try to over price themselves.

Then I had one ask "what is your budget for the night?" and they want to know, before meeting, how much money you have and can give them if they fuck you. You cannot win if you answer this question with an amount. And you could be banned if you respond with a figure. I have been banned before, so I know. The best answer is either to turn the question off or turn it around. Either, "I will not know" "until we meet and see if there is chemistry and we feel good about each other" or to turn it around and answer, "what is your value / price?" which is just as rude as their question.

Every question has an answer inside it, or a trick. They really want to know if you are a cheap Charlie or rich and easy pickings, so you cannot give them a number or you are dumb. You have not met them, its like offering money to buy a car you have not seen in person- that is dumb.[/QUOTE]Yes, never give a number first. What I used to do is turn it around and say, "What would make you happy"? Or, "What are you looking for"? One chick got mad and stopped talking to me. I didn't give a damn! Once you've given a number you've played your hand. You don't want to go first. Make them go first. After all you're not the one asking for money, they are! You already have it. And yes, never buy a car just from looking at it online! LOLOLOL!

I used SA in CDMX and it had great success.

I am considering relocate to San Diego?

Hows the SA scene in Tijuana?

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2770032]It's been over 10 years since I've last been on the site. I started nearly 20 years ago when I made my first trip to the DR in 2003. I have been to Philippines (Cebu) , Colombia, Argentina, Brazil, Tijuana and Vancouver BC. This site was always a resource for me. However, for the past 10 years I have been on Seeking Arrangement. I am just a 50+ overweight guy and I have had enormous success on that site.

I reside in the Nor Cal area and live a few blocks from a major university. At seems likes every year I meet a 20-22 year old junior or seniors who recently joined the site. My profile is pretty popular I used a pic of myself dancing in Buenos Aires, Argentina. At first I was surprised at the interest because in the hobby I am labeled as a "AA" so, it's difficult to get any action there.

When I get a girls number I check to see if it's an app number or an iPhone number (can't differentiate Android from app) So. If's it's blue I usually have more success. I either meet at Starbucks or at the mall when I am in San Diego. I like to meet first because it weeds out the the escorts (they don't meet for free) and am able to get a feel of their sexuality. For the most part, the girls I meet are highly intelligent but are somewhat short on funds.

In the early years on the site PPM was not used. It was based on monthly but they have phased that out along with your income. Having mongered for over 20 years It took a lot of hard work to finesse an Arrangement. You guys know how American women are. They conflicted with the money for sex thing. I will not take women on dates like I am actually dating them. I am pretty direct with them I like intimacy. When they say they don't want something transactional, I ask if they would feel better if I didn't pay them. That usually does the trick.

I don't meet at my place always a hotel. I like using UBER or Lyft it's great. My PPM ranges from $150- $500. I rarely pay the $500 it's number they through out. I usually pay $300 for bareback and it's totally GFE. The college girls some white but mostly Latinas like to swallow and MSOG.

When I am in San Diego it's much higher quality there and more women by far. The price structure is the same $300 + or less. The women in San Diego are so hot. Anywhere you go in warm month the women wear short shorts. I just happened to meet a 22 Blasian girl that had the sexiest legs with her butt hanging out. No matter who I meet in SD they almost always come like that. A.

After talking a bit I take them over to Victoria's Secret and they send videos of themselves in outfits. I pick something and we are off to the hotel. It's so awesome there I can't remember the last time I went to Tijuana. It's PSE on steroids. I can post pics if some of you are interested.

For those of you who haven't tried SA, I highly recommend it. I ask these young ladies when I meet them about dating older guys. Almost all of them say they have been dating older guys when they were in high school. A few of them before that. Most of them saying that they dated their teachers. It's not all about looks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2774610]I used SA in CDMX and it had great success.

I am considering relocate to San Diego?

Hows the SA scene in Tijuana?[/QUOTE]I haven't used SA in Tijuana before. There are so many hot women in San Diego there's no time for Tijuana. Before Sa I used to monger in Tijuana almost 20 years ago. Are you familiar with the club scene and zona Roja in Tijuana? My brother moved to San Diego 5 years and is total square. He made a trip across the border and he is a different man now. He knows the clubs and many of the people working in the clubs. Lot's of women from Colombia, Venezuela and other places in Central America.

The border is different now than when I first went there 20 years ago. When you cross into Mexico you have to show your passport and have your bags screened. You have to keep that in mind if you go there it takes a lot of time so you have hit the clubs.

It's a hard decision you might get messages from Tijuana but it wasn't worth the hassle for me. It depends on what you like and how much you want to spend. You can get 20 something Latinas on the US side for $200-$400.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2774481]My time is worth a lot more than hers, so I am not afraid to tell them that. Its like a job interview, people do not get paid for the interview. It they don't like it then they lose. Have already met 3 in the past week and fucked 2 of them, one is a keeper. Why should you pay them $400 to meet? Idiotic. My time is worth ten times that much, it really is with my income, especially if they expect to make 400 if I want to get into their pussy, and they need to know that.

I do tell them that if we feel comfortable and some attraction we MAY go back to my place if we worth out the details, I. E. How many times a week, wearing rubber or not, how long they will stay, etc. , but also No Guarantees. I agree, if the photos are not representative of them I will simply say I am not interested and walk out. If they think that is rude, its as rude as posting old photos of when they were slim and wasting my time to dress, shit shower and shave for the meeting, and I do not waste my dick on fat girls, life is too short. And if they ask too many questions then I tell them I am not interested in being interrogated, and bye, they are no fun any more, but a mooch trying to take advantage of some sucker and getting a guaranteed payout.[/QUOTE]In my experience the girls who are escorts want money for their "time. " I most definately cast those types out. Also, they try to pose as college students because they don't have a real job. Or, they'll ask how long you want to meet for. The girls who are not pro's don't think like that.

Seeking scene in Tijuana is mixed. It's not a huge market. If you do it a while you see it's the same girls over the long haul. They create and recreate accounts. And many of them are escorts on the side. Or I assume they are. Like the 19 year old hottie with fake boobs and thigh tattoos. It's not the same as cdmx. But there are diamonds in the rough there. It's just a smaller market so fewer true options. A city like Cdmx with 20 mm people has endless supply of girls popping up. Tijuana is like 10 percent of that size.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2774610]I used SA in CDMX and it had great success.

I am considering relocate to San Diego?

Hows the SA scene in Tijuana?[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2774653]In my experience the girls who are escorts want money for their "time. " I most definately cast those types out. Also, they try to pose as college students because they don't have a real job. Or, they'll ask how long you want to meet for. The girls who are not pro's don't think like that.[/QUOTE]I agree. Some may be less pros, but if they are watching the clock, they have no interest in a relationship. No sense in using SA to meet a pro. There are easier ways. I agree with Steve. If you find the gems, they are amazing because they trust you to take care of them. Yes, it is expensive compared to the pros, but compare that to a girlfriend you would be willing to marry. It is much cheaper. You are not responsible for caring for them for a very long term. Plus, I rarely find a pro that really likes sex. There are a few, but they have problems and are unstable. Sex is so much better when the girl is really into it, especially when you are taking a long trip with her. You can go again and again with the girl initiating the sessions. The gems are hard to find, but I would pay a lot when I find one. Being cheap does not pay. You have to make the girl feel special, and that takes time and money.

Agree with everything you are saying. But have to add in the local costs also. If you don't have a place then the cost of the hotel.

Overseas trips do cost but you have to factor in the quality of women, how long they stay with you? Do you like having them stay overnight, travel with them, the adventure of visiting new places, news restaurants. On the other side you have to count for the time it's taking you to travel, missed work and opportunity cost of that.

No perfect answer, I personally prefer to travel.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2745453]Yes, but your time is worth something too, with the travel time to the airport, arriving 2 hours early at airport, then you have to pay for a hotel, air fare, etc. So Mexico City is an option, but you are paying one way or another to get a cheaper woman.

I told my barber I had gotten a haircut in the Philippines for only $2. 20. He said, "Well how much did the airfare cost to get that haircut?" Fucker retired during covid, now I use clippers myself and it seems to be a better solution, no waiting in the barber shop and decent haircuts.[/QUOTE]

I like to test the water of SA scene. What is the price range and how easy to get BBFS? It will be Phoenix maybe San Diego and Tijuana.

My imagine routine would be a video chat and then meet at a cafe for quick drink and then head to my hotel or Airbnb for the deed.

It is the same routine l used when l was in CDMX.

I would also told them what l expect like BBFS 2+ hours and the price.

Please advise?

FYI.

I had great success with cdmx sa during 6 weeks trip 2022 April.

The cost was $150 to $250 usd per 2+ hours. I had 13 girls all of them except one was BBFS.

I have not had luck in the US. In Houston I got 2 girls for 400 each, but it took a lot of effort. To be fair I'm mid-40's and looking for girls under 25 so.

I have done Tijuana. Many times. It's a lot easier there. Girls need the money more. But the downside. You kinda don't know if the girls are escorts on the side. Many of them are I've found and this is just another advertising channel for them. So you just end up overpaying for taking an escort to dinner. Just look for the signs. A little too willing to show nudes. A little too conversant in the exchange. A little too much silicone. I guess just do your best.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2776498]I like to test the water of SA scene. What is the price range and how easy to get BBFS? It will be Phoenix maybe San Diego and Tijuana.

My imagine routine would be a video chat and then meet at a cafe for quick drink and then head to my hotel or Airbnb for the deed.

It is the same routine l used when l was in CDMX.

I would also told them what l expect like BBFS 2+ hours and the price.

Please advise?

FYI.

I had great success with cdmx sa during 6 weeks trip 2022 April.

The cost was $150 to $250 usd per 2+ hours. I had 13 girls all of them except one was BBFS.[/QUOTE]

Can you elaborate on a lot of effort?

Do you mean you have to dine and wine them before the $400 session?

If so, you had other girls just went out with you for the free meal and then did not come through?

Did you get BBFS with the two $400 girls?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2776750]I have not had luck in the US. In Houston I got 2 girls for 400 each, but it took a lot of effort. To be fair I'm mid-40's and looking for girls under 25 so.

I have done Tijuana. Many times. It's a lot easier there. Girls need the money more. But the downside. You kinda don't know if the girls are escorts on the side. Many of them are I've found and this is just another advertising channel for them. So you just end up overpaying for taking an escort to dinner. Just look for the signs. A little too willing to show nudes. A little too conversant in the exchange. A little too much silicone. I guess just do your best.[/QUOTE]

My experience with SA in USA is not so good. Girls have GPS with high expectations and bad service. (I am also in 40's and prefer girls in 25 age range with slim body).

I did get some good vibes with black girls, but these girls are too much drama and not in good shape, but willing to provide BBFS.

Specially had lot of girls available a week before Christmas as they were looking for quick money for holidays.

I thin k Canada may be better option than US. I am talking to some girls in Toronto and Montreal and it looks promising.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2776786]Can you elaborate on a lot of effort?

Do you mean you have to dine and wine them before the $400 session?

If so, you had other girls just went out with you for the free meal and then did not come through?

Did you get BBFS with the two $400 girls?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pk099;2776793]My experience with SA in USA is not so good. Girls have GPS with high expectations and bad service. (I am also in 40's and prefer girls in 25 age range with slim body).

I did get some good vibes with black girls, but these girls are too much drama and not in good shape, but willing to provide BBFS.

Specially had lot of girls available a week before Christmas as they were looking for quick money for holidays.

I thin k Canada may be better option than US. I am talking to some girls in Toronto and Montreal and it looks promising.[/QUOTE]Yeah the USA scene is going to be nothing like CDMX. Def $400 and up and other than straight up hookers. Yea prob dinner or at least drinks and BBFS is going to be a lot less likely.

I was just talking to a girl in a Midwest city. Black girl. Hottie. Nice chat. I figure let's try to get the $$ discussion behind us (on WhatsApp) and ask her what she's thinking. And she says what are you comfortable with. I normally think 400 min and 500 more likely these days. But I hear some guys get 300 so I figure I'll float that out there. 300. She says "300 is your offer including intimacy?" I guess she must have forgot the incredulous emoji because I texted back and she's ghosted me. 300 was clearly a stone cold insult to her GPS. Oh well. Next!

So I had dinner out with my kids (not exactly kids anymore) recently and we decided to go to the restaurant where Layla (on again off again SB for two years) is the hostess. She requested to be a server that night and serve my table (I agreed) and so my sorta-Ex sorta-not (we fuck from time to time) was our server. She did an amazing job and avoided any spilling of the beans. But it was kinda awesome and naughty to have this girl I've fucked at least 30 times intersect with my family. And oh btw she looked hot AF. Feels amazing to have bedded that hottie!

Only on Seeking baby!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2776803]Yeah the USA scene is going to be nothing like CDMX. Def $400 and up and other than straight up hookers. Yea prob dinner or at least drinks and BBFS is going to be a lot less likely.

I was just talking to a girl in a Midwest city. Black girl. Hottie. Nice chat. I figure let's try to get the $$ discussion behind us (on WhatsApp) and ask her what she's thinking. And she says what are you comfortable with. I normally think 400 min and 500 more likely these days. But I hear some guys get 300 so I figure I'll float that out there. 300. She says "300 is your offer including intimacy?" I guess she must have forgot the incredulous emoji because I texted back and she's ghosted me. 300 was clearly a stone cold insult to her GPS. Oh well. Next![/QUOTE]300-400 for a black girl in the Midwest sounds right, even if she's under 25 and in great shape.

600+ for a cute white or Asian girl in SF or NYC.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2776923]So I had dinner out with my kids (not exactly kids anymore) recently and we decided to go to the restaurant where Layla (on again off again SB for two years) is the hostess. She requested to be a server that night and serve my table (I agreed) and so my sorta-Ex sorta-not (we fuck from time to time) was our server. She did an amazing job and avoided any spilling of the beans. But it was kinda awesome and naughty to have this girl I've fucked at least 30 times intersect with my family. And oh btw she looked hot AF. Feels amazing to have bedded that hottie!

Only on Seeking baby![/QUOTE]You got balls dude! That sound exciting but man talk about rolling the dice!

By a lot of effort I mean I have to send a lot more messages to get a response, and once I get a response the likelihood of closing a deal is still lower. So it's just more work all around.

I always take a girl to a nice dinner. Don't know why. Guess because I want it to feel more like a date and know the girl a bit before I plow her. Also on a few rare occasions I've backed out when I realized at dinner I didn't like the girl. The last time was when the girl showed up like 30 pounds more than her photos. I tried to drink the problem away and find something to like but she was also stupid and kind of annoying. Told her I felt guilty and wanted to let her go even tho that was a lie.

Regarding BBFS, no. That's just stupid and reckless. I imagine you already have herpes and warts if you're asking that. Or you will soon. I do not and do not plan on getting them. I love a raw dog but no I never do that with a random girl I'm paying to sleep with me. It's not a moral issue. It's because I don't want the aforementioned things attached to my penis.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2776786]Can you elaborate on a lot of effort?

Do you mean you have to dine and wine them before the $400 session?

If so, you had other girls just went out with you for the free meal and then did not come through?

Did you get BBFS with the two $400 girls?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2774677]Question for you. How do I ask this delicately? Did you f**k the nostrils? With or without lube?[/QUOTE]Especially if she is on top, a person would be looking up her nostrils. No, I am not making this up. Would you fuck her nostrils? Stupid question and waste of band width for a Senior Member.

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2776947]300-400 for a black girl in the Midwest sounds right, even if she's under 25 and in great shape.

600+ for a cute white or Asian girl in SF or NYC.[/QUOTE]600+ and you get BBFS??

With the plane tickets to CDMX and Airbnb it might end up with similar cost.

Last trip l stayed for 6 weeks in CDMX and on average 2 girls per week.

Airbnb ends up like 4 k+ usd.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2777137]Especially if she is on top, a person would be looking up her nostrils. No, I am not making this up. Would you fuck her nostrils? Stupid question and waste of band width for a Senior Member.[/QUOTE]Come on now. It was a joke. I didn't think anyone was actually fornicating with nasal orifices. Somehow things are more amusing when you're 3 deep in your Macallan.

But thanks for recognizing my senior status. I've earned it and I intend to lead with it in future posts.

SA banned me three times.

I used prepaid debit card which l did for my last run.

I have not bought the membership since April 2022.

Any brothers here use prepaid debit card for that and which one?

Last time l use green dot and it worked fine.

I am really concerned SA again change their rules??

Thanks for all the help.

I have arrangements in Nor Cal and So Cal (San Diego) there are many more women in San Diego by far. The price range is $200 - $600. I had a French Au Pair (I'll find her pics) that was 450 and she was the only one who wouldn't do BBFS. She did swallow me but her visa expired so she's back in France. You might have to get an UBER as most of the girls don't have cars.

I don't do dinner dates or drinks it's not for me. I always meet in public place during the day so that I can see them clearly. My experience is that BBFS is almost automatic. I always ask what things they are not comfortable with. If they want things covered they will say this.

I have noticed that most of the black girls (I am a black guy) will not do BBFS. I think in the USA you have to more discreet about how you approach women than say Mexico. Many will feel conflicted if they perceive an arrangement as purely sex for money. That's essentially what it is but I try to make it feel differently.

I think someone earlier had asked about SA in Tijuana. I don't think it's necessary since you can go to the clubs and pick the girl you want. The hottest girls work Saturday nights and I think they go to the highest bidder and regulars. When I went to Tijuana and this was over 10 years ago it was $60 for the girl and $15 for the room. The street girls $20 but the service is very basic. For the most part service in Tijuana is covered unless you can strike a deal.

Man what did you do to get banned 3 times? 3?

I buy green dots. They are not easy to find. There's a Walgreens near my house and I buy them there. They are behind the counter and it's always kind of odd when the cashier wonders (I imagine he's wondering) why I'm so picky about the Visa card I want. "No not that one it has to be that one. In the middle row at the bottom. That one."

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2777259]SA banned me three times.

I used prepaid debit card which l did for my last run.

I have not bought the membership since April 2022.

Any brothers here use prepaid debit card for that and which one?

Last time l use green dot and it worked fine.

I am really concerned SA again change their rules??

Thanks for all the help.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2777154]600+ and you get BBFS??

With the plane tickets to CDMX and Airbnb it might end up with similar cost.

Last trip l stayed for 6 weeks in CDMX and on average 2 girls per week.

Airbnb ends up like 4 k+ usd.[/QUOTE]BBFS is a touchy subject: some guys like it and some don't. Some girls like it and some don't. Among amateur SA girls, I've never found one that tried charging extra for it.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2777082]. I imagine you already have herpes and warts if you're asking that. Or you will soon. [/QUOTE]I wonder if he seriously doesn't see the irony in specifically calling out the things a condom can't protect you from.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2777405]I wonder if he seriously doesn't see the irony in specifically calling out the things a condom can't protect you from.[/QUOTE]He does.

He has read the literature.

And he understands that something not being 100 percent prophylactic is not the same as being 0 percent prophylactic. And that for the herp in particular a condom is quite prophylactic for the areas covered.

And he understands that his caution has worked throughout his life despite his, and because of his, skeezy ways and he encourages others who engage in sexual acts with a rotating cast of strangers to consider exercising the same care for their own safety, because they love love love doing this. So much. And they like me want to do it as long as humanly possible.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2777259]SA banned me three times.

I used prepaid debit card which l did for my last run.

I have not bought the membership since April 2022.

Any brothers here use prepaid debit card for that and which one?

Last time l use green dot and it worked fine.

I am really concerned SA again change their rules??

Thanks for all the help.[/QUOTE]When you sign up on SA you need 1. A new email account to give them- gmail or yahoo will set it up, 2. A new phone number to give them-google voice will set it up, 3. Then when you input your credit or debit card on their pay page you use a different first name (like your middle name), 4. A new street number that is not the same, like 2 numbers off, but the same street name, same city and zip code so it will go thru. Your bank will let it thru. SA does not track the IP address. Worked for me.

[QUOTE=Pk099;2776793]My experience with SA in USA is not so good. Girls have GPS with high expectations and bad service. (I am also in 40's and prefer girls in 25 age range with slim body).

I did get some good vibes with black girls, but these girls are too much drama and not in good shape, but willing to provide BBFS.

Specially had lot of girls available a week before Christmas as they were looking for quick money for holidays.
[/QUOTE]Yes, we all want 25 year old girls. They are in better shape, more fun and less critical, and have a good sex drive and are more mature than the 18-21 year olds who expect free money without fucking. And I have also noticed much better response rates with the black girls, one of whom said in her profile, as a black woman, she did not want AA (African) men. And they are more willing to perform for less, around $200 for starters seems to be accepted for me. The white girls seem to want 400-500. Many want meetup fees, or try to add extras. Its about supply and demand, no? In reality the white women, age 25, seem to be in higher demand and can command more money than the black women.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2777405]I wonder if he seriously doesn't see the irony in specifically calling out the things a condom can't protect you from.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yeah, that was my sentiments exactly. I wish we could ban the STD talk especially people who are so definitive on what is safe and what is not. People should talk to their doctor, read the facts, and make up their own minds on what to do. We are all adults here.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2776803]But I hear some guys get 300 so I figure I'll float that out there. 300. She says "300 is your offer including intimacy?" I guess she must have forgot the incredulous emoji because I texted back and she's ghosted me. 300 was clearly a stone cold insult to her GPS. Oh well. Next![/QUOTE]Yeah, it was ridiculous. I was talking to some strippers and they were like prepandemic, if we left the club with $500 we were happy, but now it is $1000 per night. That was a sign to me to short the market because when the economy gets shut down, we should not see strippers doubling their incomes. And I looked at escort prices, and there was no one I was interested in for less than $500 an hour for a while.

But I looked at the escort market last week just for grins and I was seeing what IMO are doable women going for $300 an hour now, so Steve, maybe the gal you hit up has not get the new memo on prices.

And on the supply side, I was at a store in a very rural Texas town and heard two somewhat attractive women talking, and one said, "Maybe I will just get a sugar daddy and get a trip to the Bahamas then. " So it looks like the supply side may be fine.

I am just shaking my head at how open the sugar market is now and in the Bible belt of Texas no less.

Hi!

I get an error message when trying to log on:

"Sorry, we experienced an issue loading this content. Click here to retry. ".

Any idea what that is?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2777454]And on the supply side, I was at a store in a very rural Texas town and heard two somewhat attractive women talking, and one said, "Maybe I will just get a sugar daddy and get a trip to the Bahamas then. " So it looks like the supply side may be fine.

I am just shaking my head at how open the sugar market is now and in the Bible belt of Texas no less.[/QUOTE]That's an understatement.

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2777512]Hi!

I get an error message when trying to log on:

"Sorry, we experienced an issue loading this content. Click here to retry. ".

Any idea what that is?[/QUOTE]Can add: It was only using Chrome on the PC that didn't work, so it was not that bad.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2777424]When you sign up on SA you need 1. A new email account to give them- gmail or yahoo will set it up, 2. A new phone number to give them-google voice will set it up, 3. Then when you input your credit or debit card on their pay page you use a different first name (like your middle name), 4. A new street number that is not the same, like 2 numbers off, but the same street name, same city and zip code so it will go thru. Your bank will let it thru. SA does not track the IP address. Worked for me.[/QUOTE]It works!! Thanks for the guidance bro.

Can I DM you?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2771344]You are right. I am living the time of my life right now. But no it's not exactly a flexible don't ask don't tell relationship. A couple things here that other marrieds might cobsider:

1. At first I was paralyzed that she might find out. But the more I thought about it I realized I'the be happier single than married at this stage. I want to keep things together "for the kids" for a couple more years. And she NEEDS me. She's very dependent on me. If things went south she's be waaaaay more fucked than I would. So it's kinda funny. I keep it private for HER sake not for mine. She's a smart girl tho. She prob knows something is up and too smart to push to hard because she knows she needs me more than I need her.

2. I work very hard to ensure all details are covered. If I say I am going out to dinner I make sure that place is open. I know the menu and "what I had". It's all made up. But she asks sometimes. Likewise I recently went in a trip and didn't actually go where she thinks I did. I took Shayla to Miami instead. But I had itinerary and hotel reservations for my pseudo location. Texted take off and landing at appropriate time zone adjusted times etc. It was a fuck load of work and very dicey at times! But totally worth the meticulous planning.

I guess those are my two key points to other married guys:

1. Consider how bad it would be if it all went south. Is it really that bad? Set your risk tolerance around this.

2. Engineer your opportunities and plan your cover story meticulously.

Or maybe I'm just fucking lucky. LOL.[/QUOTE]

Anyone used SA in BOG (recently)? I got alot of leads in just past few days and wondering if anyone used SA (including 3 some options) and if I can match my notes with them? This'll help me weed off some of possible clunkers.

Appreciate your input!

Stay horny ya' all!

[QUOTE=OffMan73;2777822]Can I DM you?[/QUOTE]I don't know if you can as a regular member. Just give it a go. Just make sure your logged in because it doesn't present the option when you aren't.

[QUOTE=MushElvii;2777857]Anyone used SA in BOG (recently)? I got alot of leads in just past few days and wondering if anyone used SA (including 3 some options) and if I can match my notes with them? This'll help me weed off some of possible clunkers.

Appreciate your input!

Stay horny ya' all![/QUOTE]Mush, the women cycle through very quickly, and the best women do not stay on the site for long. They either get scared and leave or are snatched up.

On top of that, like one in 10 of the women I corresponded with actually was available to me when I was there.

But even with all that, it was the best seeking destination I had been to. Medellin, Monterrey, and Mexico City were also up there and it may have just been my timing, but I had more luck in Bogota than anywhere else.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2778108]Mush, the women cycle through very quickly, and the best women do not stay on the site for long. They either get scared and leave or are snatched up.

On top of that, like one in 10 of the women I corresponded with actually was available to me when I was there.

But even with all that, it was the best seeking destination I had been to. Medellin, Monterrey, and Mexico City were also up there and it may have just been my timing, but I had more luck in Bogota than anywhere else.[/QUOTE]Yep Seeking in America is tough. I probably put in 3 times as more work as I do in Mexico and I get nowhere near the good results I have in Mexico. I will give SA a few more weeks in America, but I am not sure the time is worth it.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2778108]Mush, the women cycle through very quickly, and the best women do not stay on the site for long. They either get scared and leave or are snatched up.

On top of that, like one in 10 of the women I corresponded with actually was available to me when I was there.

But even with all that, it was the best seeking destination I had been to. Medellin, Monterrey, and Mexico City were also up there and it may have just been my timing, but I had more luck in Bogota than anywhere else.[/QUOTE]Elvis.

Thanks for input, yeah! I am factoring ghosting, late and non responsive, so I double booked every one (one 9. And one 6/7).

I have used SA in mty why cdmx so lets see if they get blown out.

I do see clear difference of messaging frequency, personalization and 'warmness' which mexican girls don't show. Hard to judge if they truly faking or that's the way they are.

Couple gals are playing totally non chalant and meeting for first date (I know how that goes and how often her mouth is wrapped on tool after initial meeting start. LOL).

Cheers,

Hi Everyone,

I am from India active on SA therre!! I will be taking a 20 day long road trip to California this year!! Solo. I am looking for maybe a partner or multiple across the 20-25 days I am in the states.

How should I go about the distancing guidelines here since each area is vast and different!!

LA or San Fran?? Or should I go smaller cities??

Please guide.

I have seen many women have a "click bait" photo for their profile, then when I see the other photos I see a fatty. Or a fuglie. Some even have photos of other women for their main profile. Or a professional photo for their primary. Often they turn to the side, or 45 degrees in their photos, which means their hips are very large and they are trying to hide their ass size.

I notice they have a button for "verified" photos, which means many photos are of someone else.

I finally "borrowed" a friends photo, for my primary photo. Somewhat for privacy, also I want to get more clicks and messages. Many of the same old girls who rejected me now are interested in this "new" guy. My regular photos are from a distance or slightly blurred, so the women cannot tell the difference. Only 2 have noticed the difference in my photos, and I delete their messages.

Also, I gave my profile a great headline, "Tom Selleck in a Ferrari" and have seen my messages go up in number drastically. Am getting fucked now as much as I want, at reasonable prices.

Wonder if any of you other guys are using fake photos for your primary SA photo? And a fake Headline? It Really has increased women's interest in my profile, and when I meet the women in person, no body has complained. They mainly want the money anyway, and what I look like is not a big deal.

Complete belt of GPS girls. Good luck to you. Try and find a Latina from Brazil or so.

[QUOTE=Ruch888;2778263]Hi Everyone,

I am from India active on SA therre!! I will be taking a 20 day long road trip to California this year!! Solo. I am looking for maybe a partner or multiple across the 20-25 days I am in the states.

How should I go about the distancing guidelines here since each area is vast and different!!

LA or San Fran?? Or should I go smaller cities??

Please guide.[/QUOTE]

I use fake photo because their AI face recognition would trigger if you got blacklisted once. They have the photos on file.

I used a photo of mine with different background after my first ban. I got banned the 2nd time like 1 hour after I paid my fee.

I emailed support and that's exactly what they told me. If your face is blurry enough it will not matter.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2778361]I have seen many women have a "click bait" photo for their profile, then when I see the other photos I see a fatty. Or a fuglie. Some even have photos of other women for their main profile. Or a professional photo for their primary. Often they turn to the side, or 45 degrees in their photos, which means their hips are very large and they are trying to hide their ass size.

I notice they have a button for "verified" photos, which means many photos are of someone else.

I finally "borrowed" a friends photo, for my primary photo. Somewhat for privacy, also I want to get more clicks and messages. Many of the same old girls who rejected me now are interested in this "new" guy. My regular photos are from a distance or slightly blurred, so the women cannot tell the difference. Only 2 have noticed the difference in my photos, and I delete their messages.

Also, I gave my profile a great headline, "Tom Selleck in a Ferrari" and have seen my messages go up in number drastically. Am getting fucked now as much as I want, at reasonable prices.

Wonder if any of you other guys are using fake photos for your primary SA photo? And a fake Headline? It Really has increased women's interest in my profile, and when I meet the women in person, no body has complained. They mainly want the money anyway, and what I look like is not a big deal.[/QUOTE]

#1.

Any message that has number and implies that there is money involved.

BLOCK the girl immediately.

#2.

Too many messages in one day.

This one I am not sure exactly how it works. I sent out 50 identical messages in a time period of 3 hours. I got SPAM error and could not spend out any messages for 48 hours.

Please chip in you have observed any other triggers.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2778480]#1.

Any message that has number and implies that there is money involved.

BLOCK the girl immediately.[/QUOTE]Have you been able to get the girl kicked off and banned if she mentions "PPM" in her online messages? Women who talk ppm are usually just prostitutes, not looking for anything exclusive, and are usually old pros. I would like to get these hoor off the site. They ask for evidence.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2778495]Have you been able to get the girl kicked off and banned if she mentions "PPM" in her online messages? Women who talk ppm are usually just prostitutes, not looking for anything exclusive, and are usually old pros. I would like to get these hoor off the site. They ask for evidence.[/QUOTE]Just block them. I do think SA is getting much stricter with scams. I am noticing much less scams, then a few years back.

I do report girls if they do something crazy or are Blatantly lying. If they want to talk about money I politely say, it is against the rules and we can discuss on Instant Message. If they are in Mexico we use WhatsApp.

Hello guys,

Please put your morals aside and help me answer if this could be a trans? The thunder thighs and face in some pics is concerning. I might just be paranoid having read that there are a lot of trans in Brazil, if that's your thing, then all the best to you but not for me, I'd also hope that it would clearly be mentioned in their profile but there are definitely others who do not make it obvious in their tinder profiles for example. Thank you for helping a brother out.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/20d8ee02-255c-4f56-a81d-33c799954118[/URL]

So yeah I love the chase. I'm planning some trips and I'm enjoying vetting the girls chat and I know I will love that first date mystery and seduction dance. But at the same time it's super comforting to have a go to girl in a given city.

Traveling to one of my standard haunts soon and going to hook up with a girl I first met in early 2020. So like fully three years ago. We started as quick motel fuck and sucks but became much more dinner and drinks partners later in the relationship and I grew to like her badass party girl vibe. Then about six months ago she grew a boyfriend and was "exiting the lifestyle". Of course that didn't last too long and we are back on for fucking whenever I visit.

And I love the comfort. I'm arriving late and said we could either go straight to room or just wait till next nights and have dinner. And she's like let's take some drinks and head to the room. I've missed you!

It's just so great to have a girl waiting and wanting to see me right when I land. Is it the $$ or my over powering charisma? Guess we'll never know. Tho I will say that girls who truly enjoy sex really do like being with a guy that can just marathon the fuck out of them. And thanks to my advanced age and modern science, that's me! Have big plans for a fuckathon coming up soon!

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2778361]I have seen many women have a "click bait" photo for their profile, then when I see the other photos I see a fatty. Or a fuglie. Some even have photos of other women for their main profile. Or a professional photo for their primary. Often they turn to the side, or 45 degrees in their photos, which means their hips are very large and they are trying to hide their ass size.

I notice they have a button for "verified" photos, which means many photos are of someone else.

I finally "borrowed" a friends photo, for my primary photo. Somewhat for privacy, also I want to get more clicks and messages. Many of the same old girls who rejected me now are interested in this "new" guy. My regular photos are from a distance or slightly blurred, so the women cannot tell the difference. Only 2 have noticed the difference in my photos, and I delete their messages.

Also, I gave my profile a great headline, "Tom Selleck in a Ferrari" and have seen my messages go up in number drastically. Am getting fucked now as much as I want, at reasonable prices..[/QUOTE]I just use a photo that I took in Buenos Aires, Argentina of a pose with a Tango Dancer. Women like men who dance even though I don't. LOL.

One of my the girls I met on SA in Bogota became a friend last year. We've exchanged stories from our perspectives in the sugar dating world and it's been quite useful to understand how the other side thinks and what their options are in terms of men.

Things get more complicated because she was stopped by Customs while entering the US a couple times, and detained for hours. She also unlocked her phone where all of our fun conversations were. She indicated the govt employees were very interested in me, not sure why.

While I'm pretty sure I haven't broken any laws, especially given that I haven't touched US soil in months, I'm wondering if it makes sense to prep a lawyer in case I'm detained for a few annoying hours while visiting the US next week. I'm leaning towards that it's not worth the $500 consultation fee because the chance is low and I'm a US citizen, but I'm wondering if anyone had similar experiences or other thoughts they'the want to share.

P.S. I've started using a timer on my WhatsApp messages so they're deleted automatically after 7 days. When a relationship becomes more stable, I'll move it to 90. What a hassle.

Holy crap that's sucky. I'm no lawyer but since you're asking for advice on an open forum.

I would ask her exactly what did they ask her about you. Exactly. To try to get at what they might be thinking you did.

And yes I would hire a lawyer. It probably won't be 500 dollars besides once they start making calls fees add up. But this would leave me scared to ever travel and I wouldn't want it hanging over me personally. You know it's coming, or you suspect it, so better the conversation be on your terms, and your timing. Not when you have an emergency situation.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2779018]One of my the girls I met on SA in Bogota became a friend last year. We've exchanged stories from our perspectives in the sugar dating world and it's been quite useful to understand how the other side thinks and what their options are in terms of men.

Things get more complicated because she was stopped by Customs while entering the US a couple times, and detained for hours. She also unlocked her phone where all of our fun conversations were. She indicated the govt employees were very interested in me, not sure why.

While I'm pretty sure I haven't broken any laws, especially given that I haven't touched US soil in months, I'm wondering if it makes sense to prep a lawyer in case I'm detained for a few annoying hours while visiting the US next week. I'm leaning towards that it's not worth the $500 consultation fee because the chance is low and I'm a US citizen, but I'm wondering if anyone had similar experiences or other thoughts they'the want to share..[/QUOTE]

Doing a little seeking today. Came across a few profiles like this:

I'm seeking an online and platonic connection where both can benefit from each other.

Who exactly is this for? Who is reaching out and saying they want to give a girl money in exchange for an online platonic friendship?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2779033]Holy crap that's sucky. I'm no lawyer but since you're asking for advice on an open forum. I would ask her exactly what did they ask her about you. Exactly. To try to get at what they might be thinking you did. And yes I would hire a lawyer.[/QUOTE]I disagree and don't believe that this is the time to hire a lawyer. He doesn't have anything to talk to a lawyer about yet. Not unless there's something to this he isn't telling us. As he said, the fact of the matter is that it's highly unlikely that he will be stopped and asked anything. And if he is, then that's the time to listen (and not say much) because then he will have something to talk to a lawyer about afterwards. If stopped and questioned, at that point he should ask what it's all about and listen, and if he is being accused of something (they probably will be coy). And whether they say he is or he isn't being accused of something, he should just keep cool and keep his mouth shut and say nothing until he's had a chance to consult with a lawyer. I wouldn't even admit to knowing the girl. They won't be able to hold him as they have no grounds to do that. Again, that's assuming there isn't something about this we aren't being told. Going to a lawyer now would be a waste of time and money, even if the lawyer tries to rope him in with a "free" consultation. Those tend not to be worth s damn! Definitely one of those things where you get what you pay for. This is one of those situations where you get roped into somebody else's bullshit merely by association. It sucks, but not a time to panic and start paying legal fees when it's not clear he even has a legal problem yet, and based on what we know, not foreseeable that he will have one.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2779057] Going to a lawyer now would be a waste of time and money, even if the lawyer tries to rope him in with a "free" consultation. Those tend not to be worth s damn! Definitely one of those things where you get what you pay for. [/QUOTE]Those kind of lawyers are only for Car Accidents, personal injury. They try to get money from the other person's insurance company.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2779018]One of my the girls I met on SA in Bogota became a friend last year. We've exchanged stories from our perspectives in the sugar dating world and it's been quite useful to understand how the other side thinks and what their options are in terms of men.

Things get more complicated because she was stopped by Customs while entering the US a couple times, and detained for hours. She also unlocked her phone where all of our fun conversations were. She indicated the govt employees were very interested in me, not sure why.

While I'm pretty sure I haven't broken any laws, especially given that I haven't touched US soil in months, I'm wondering if it makes sense to prep a lawyer in case I'm detained for a few annoying hours while visiting the US next week. I'm leaning towards that it's not worth the $500 consultation fee because the chance is low and I'm a US citizen, but I'm wondering if anyone had similar experiences or other thoughts they'the want to share.

P.S. I've started using a timer on my WhatsApp messages so they're deleted automatically after 7 days. When a relationship becomes more stable, I'll move it to 90. What a hassle.[/QUOTE]May I ask which port of entry, I. E. Which airport, did your girl got detained and questioned by the immigration officers. I have heard that they will not usually do that in port of entry like Miami, especially with the large number of travelers from South America going through there. Places like San Francisco is a totally different story though.

Maybe you should ask a friend who is a lawyer and get some free advice or suggestions. Otherwise, contacting a lawyer in a formal way is a hassle and rarely helpful since they are all looking for big payouts, even small shops.

But my 2 cents is that as long as you were not explict in your messages about exchanging sex for money with her, then you should be okay. For the stories that you told her about your sugar dating experience, just tell the authorities that you made that all up for her entertainment.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2779018]One of my the girls I met on SA in Bogota became a friend last year. We've exchanged stories from our perspectives in the sugar dating world and it's been quite useful to understand how the other side thinks and what their options are in terms of men.

Things get more complicated because she was stopped by Customs while entering the US a couple times, and detained for hours. She also unlocked her phone where all of our fun conversations were. She indicated the govt employees were very interested in me, not sure why.

While I'm pretty sure I haven't broken any laws, especially given that I haven't touched US soil in months, I'm wondering if it makes sense to prep a lawyer in case I'm detained for a few annoying hours while visiting the US next week. I'm leaning towards that it's not worth the $500 consultation fee because the chance is low and I'm a US citizen, but I'm wondering if anyone had similar experiences or other thoughts they'the want to share.

P.S. I've started using a timer on my WhatsApp messages so they're deleted automatically after 7 days. When a relationship becomes more stable, I'll move it to 90. What a hassle.[/QUOTE].

That's a good point. You're prob right.

Still, OP will be sweating next time he crosses a border:

[QUOTE=TheCane;2779057]I disagree and don't believe that this is the time to hire a lawyer. He doesn't have anything to talk to a lawyer about yet. Not unless there's something to this he isn't telling us. As he said, the fact of the matter is that it's highly unlikely that he will be stopped and asked anything. And if he is, then that's the time to listen (and not say much) because then he will have something to talk to a lawyer about afterwards. If stopped and questioned, at that point he should ask what it's all about and listen, and if he is being accused of something (they probably will be coy). And whether they say he is or he isn't being accused of something, he should just keep cool and keep his mouth shut and say nothing until he's had a chance to consult with a lawyer. I wouldn't even admit to knowing the girl. They won't be able to hold him as they have no grounds to do that. Again, that's assuming there isn't something about this we aren't being told. Going to a lawyer now would be a waste of time and money, even if the lawyer tries to rope him in with a "free" consultation. Those tend not to be worth s damn! Definitely one of those things where you get what you pay for. This is one of those situations where you get roped into somebody else's bullshit merely by association. It sucks, but not a time to panic and start paying legal fees when it's not clear he even has a legal problem yet, and based on what we know, not foreseeable that he will have one.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2779018]One of my the girls I met on SA in Bogota became a friend last year. We've exchanged stories from our perspectives in the sugar dating world and it's been quite useful to understand how the other side thinks and what their options are in terms of men.

Things get more complicated because she was stopped by Customs while entering the US a couple times, and detained for hours. She also unlocked her phone where all of our fun conversations were. She indicated the govt employees were very interested in me, not sure why.

While I'm pretty sure I haven't broken any laws, especially given that I haven't touched US soil in months, I'm wondering if it makes sense to prep a lawyer in case I'm detained for a few annoying hours while visiting the US next week. I'm leaning towards that it's not worth the $500 consultation fee because the chance is low and I'm a US citizen, but I'm wondering if anyone had similar experiences or other thoughts they'the want to share.

P.S. I've started using a timer on my WhatsApp messages so they're deleted automatically after 7 days. When a relationship becomes more stable, I'll move it to 90. What a hassle.[/QUOTE]I guess what's not clear to me is how they would even link you to her. They were looking at "some guys messages" on the phone. Did they take down the number? (Seems unlikely). Or note the contact name (I would hope your not using your real name when doing girl enthusiast stuff). Even if it was your real name you would just say it must be some other Ted Ferguson. You have never met the girl.

Clearly scary but seems a very tenuous thread from her to you. And they have real criminals to catch and no time for ticky tacky bullshit. So fwiw I think you are fine. And if you did use your real name stop doing that!

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2779018]She also unlocked her phone where all of our fun conversations were. She indicated the govt employees were very interested in me, not sure why.[/QUOTE]I am. They are pursuing a human trafficking angle and want to fleece you. The Feds can take any assets associated with suspected trafficking without a warrant. I heard a well known sex worker say she knew thousands of sex workers and she did not know one who was trafficked which sounds right to me. I would not hire a lawyer but I would steer the hell away of helping any women move between the states and definitely not move any women between countries. This is the Feds at work:

[URL]https://www.insider.com/man-who-had-30000-seized-by-dea-get-money-back-2021-10[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10271747/Marine-sues-DEA-entire-life-savings-87K-confiscated-him.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.retreatbehavioralhealth.com/blog/dea-takes-mans-life-savings-for-alleged-drug-offense/[/URL]

Customs are looking thus for a Mann Act Violation: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act[/URL].

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2779018]While I'm pretty sure I haven't broken any laws, especially given that I haven't touched US soil in months, I'm wondering if it makes sense to prep a lawyer in case I'm detained for a few annoying hours while visiting the US next week. I'm leaning towards that it's not worth the $500 consultation fee because the chance is low and I'm a US citizen, but I'm wondering if anyone had similar experiences or other thoughts they'the want to share.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I met a lawyer off seeking in Mexico and flew here into the USA, and customs harassed the shit out of her probably because of the way she dresses. From what I understand, these customs agents are rewarded with raises if they make a bust on what is being emphasized, and the government has a hard on for trafficking now. They asked Who bought the ticket? How long have you been dating? Where did you meet? She was in tears when I finally met her.

It is kind of funny though about the laws they do not emphasize. When I got Global Entry, they went through this long list of stuff about how global entry could be revoked but the big one was bringing in booze without paying the taxes due on it.

I would not hire a lawyer, and I doubt they will detain you but if they do, know what the Mann Act is and understand they are going to try to trip you up into admitting you violated that law.

I know this has been discussed before but I feel like a public service announcement is due as my goal here is to maximize everyone's experience with the ladies.

First. Why do it?

1. Because it will increase your odds of BLS by at least 5 X. And not just with SA girls but with pros also. A clean sack is the single most important inducement to ball sucking heaven.

2. The girls enjoy it way more. This is a win win. You make her happy AND she spends way more than just s quick tongue flick down there.

3. It FEELS better. I estimate 3 X better feel with slippery clean balls vs hairy.

Second. How to do it.

1. Do NOT use hair remover. Stings like fuck. And will make your sack s red mess no one is sucking for at least a week.

2. You are only going to do the main part of the sack and a bit up the shaft. Do NOT do between your sack and legs.

3. By far easiest to do when you have a hard on for two reasons. One. Your sack tightens up and is not all flopping around. Two. Easier to control the shaft and shave the lower part.

4. Use a Venus ladies razor. Amazing.

5. Only put cream on with your dominant hand and then use that hand for shaving. Keep your other hand clean to grab the shaft which helps manipulate the whole affair.

6. Shave both sides independently. Take care near the middle seam.

And voila. Only takes me about 2 minutes now and always on point.

P.S. For those married dudes, if your wife is BJing you she can't help but notice so that might be a problem. But for us in sexless marriages you cannot SEE any visual diffference from just walking around naked. Which is sweet.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2779296]I know this has been discussed before but I feel like a public service announcement is due as my goal here is to maximize everyone's experience with the ladies. First. Why do it? Because it will increase your odds of BLS by at least 5 X. And not just with SA girls but with pros also. A clean sack is the single most important inducement to ball sucking heaven. How to do it. Do NOT use hair remover. Stings like fuck. Use a Venus ladies razor. Amazing. Only takes me about 2 minutes now and always on point.[/QUOTE]Oh man I love getting my nuts sucked! Thing is, I never knew I did until I became a monger and started going to Costa Rica where the Colombianas would suckle on these here nuts! Haha! Then I started going to Brazil and noticed how the Brasilieras were even more into taking a nose dive for them nuts! And another "weird" thing I noticed in Europe was that it was the Polish girls who liked to suckle at my nuts more than any other nationality over there LOL! I've always been one to use hair removers because it was quick and easy. But like you say, it can burn like hell. Ouch!

So usually what I would do is use the hair remover just a couple of days before departure on my trip as the discomfort typically lasts only a couple of days. Applying some soothing lotion always helps, and by the day it's time to fly, I'm good to go! I've never thought about using a ladies razor. In fact, I have never seriously considered using any kind of razor down there. I say again. [B]Ouch[/B]! Do the ladies use a Venus razor on their cootchies like that? I guess if it's safe for them to do that then it should be safe for these here nuts too! Ha! I'll give it a try. But if I cut my scrotum bro? You got a cursing out a coming! Hahaha!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2779170]I am. They are pursuing a human trafficking angle and want to fleece you. The Feds can take any assets associated with suspected trafficking without a warrant. I heard a well known sex worker say she knew thousands of sex workers and she did not know one who was trafficked which sounds right to me. I would not hire a lawyer but I would steer the hell away of helping any women move between the states and definitely not move any women between countries. This is the Feds at work:

[URL]https://www.insider.com/man-who-had-30000-seized-by-dea-get-money-back-2021-10[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10271747/Marine-sues-DEA-entire-life-savings-87K-confiscated-him.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.retreatbehavioralhealth.com/blog/dea-takes-mans-life-savings-for-alleged-drug-offense/[/URL]

Customs are looking thus for a Mann Act Violation: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act[/URL].

Yeah, I met a lawyer off seeking in Mexico and flew here into the USA, and customs harassed the shit out of her probably because of the way she dresses. From what I understand, these customs agents are rewarded with raises if they make a bust on what is being emphasized, and the government has a hard on for trafficking now. They asked Who bought the ticket? How long have you been dating? Where did you meet? She was in tears when I finally met her.

It is kind of funny though about the laws they do not emphasize. When I got Global Entry, they went through this long list of stuff about how global entry could be revoked but the big one was bringing in booze without paying the taxes due on it.

I would not hire a lawyer, and I doubt they will detain you but if they do, know what the Mann Act is and understand they are going to try to trip you up into admitting you violated that law.[/QUOTE]Interesting Elvis. I already knew it's a bad idea to invite a hooker to cross state lines or visit the USA because of the Mann Act and FOSTA. But the thought that it could affect sugar babies too never crossed my mind.

You provided a link to a description of the Mann Act above. Here's relevant language from FOSTA.

"Whoever, using a facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce...with the intent to promote or facilitate the prostitution of another person shall be fined under this title, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both."

[URL]https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1865/text[/URL]

A little off the topic, in Texas, as you probably know, it's now a state jail felony to see any prostitute.

Good links, thanks. It's crazy the government can just take your money without proving anything.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2779296]I know this has been discussed before but I feel like a public service announcement is due as my goal here is to maximize everyone's experience with the ladies.

First. Why do it?

1. Because it will increase your odds of BLS by at least 5 X. And not just with SA girls but with pros also. A clean sack is the single most important inducement to ball sucking heaven.

2. The girls enjoy it way more. This is a win win. You make her happy AND she spends way more than just s quick tongue flick down there.

3. It FEELS better. I estimate 3 X better feel with slippery clean balls vs hairy.

Second. How to do it.

1. Do NOT use hair remover. Stings like fuck. And will make your sack s red mess no one is sucking for at least a week..[/QUOTE]Yes, I shave and clean myself downstairs before the deed. It goes along way to getting those nuts sucked on. I use the Manscaped shaver and works fast no nics. They also toss in a deodorant for nuts that smells nice.

I'm leaving next week for a solo moto tour of Mexico and, after reading about all the successes here, I had it in mind to try and hook up with someone 1/4th my age on SA. I'm hesitating because of the fear of getting outed somehow. On Tinder, I felt somewhat protected because I could limit who saw my photo to a defined distance, say five miles. I don't see that option on SA. It seems unlikely, but my wife does have younger, single friends. Question is, who can see my photo on SA? Should I wait until I actually get deep into Mexico before I set up the account, or is there someway to limit who can see you?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2779455]I'm leaving next week for a solo moto tour of Mexico and, after reading about all the successes here, I had it in mind to try and hook up with someone 1/4th my age on SA. I'm hesitating because of the fear of getting outed somehow. On Tinder, I felt somewhat protected because I could limit who saw my photo to a defined distance, say five miles. I don't see that option on SA. It seems unlikely, but my wife does have younger, single friends. Question is, who can see my photo on SA? Should I wait until I actually get deep into Mexico before I set up the account, or is there someway to limit who can see you?[/QUOTE]Unless you are a famous person it's almost impossible for someone you know to see you on SA. At your age I mean come on. LOL.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2779455]I'm leaving next week for a solo moto tour of Mexico and, after reading about all the successes here, I had it in mind to try and hook up with someone 1/4th my age on SA. I'm hesitating because of the fear of getting outed somehow. On Tinder, I felt somewhat protected because I could limit who saw my photo to a defined distance, say five miles. I don't see that option on SA. It seems unlikely, but my wife does have younger, single friends. Question is, who can see my photo on SA? Should I wait until I actually get deep into Mexico before I set up the account, or is there someway to limit who can see you?[/QUOTE]You can post private photos that no one can see unless you give them permission. In your situation it might also be wise to use a different location than where you actually live. Scammers have been known to pose as female members, hijack photos, and put them on the internet. You pay them some money and they take them down. These sites are organized by city though, so if you say you live in Duluth but you're really in New Orleans it's very unlikely friends or family would see the photos.

I wasn’t able to set up a SA account when traveling in Europe. I think it was because I was using a U.S. credit card as I believe I tried using a VPN, and tried indicating I lived in Europe. You might have a similar problem if you try to sign up in Mexico.

A 79 year old man who is going to bang girls 1/4 his age and who needs to keep this secret from his wife.

I only have 2 things to say.

1. I want to be you when I'm 79.

2. I want to get a beer with you.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2779455]I'm leaving next week for a solo moto tour of Mexico and, after reading about all the successes here, I had it in mind to try and hook up with someone 1/4th my age on SA. I'm hesitating because of the fear of getting outed somehow. On Tinder, I felt somewhat protected because I could limit who saw my photo to a defined distance, say five miles. I don't see that option on SA. It seems unlikely, but my wife does have younger, single friends. Question is, who can see my photo on SA? Should I wait until I actually get deep into Mexico before I set up the account, or is there someway to limit who can see you?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2779564]You can post private photos that no one can see unless you give them permission. In your situation it might also be wise to use a different location than where you actually live. Scammers have been known to pose as female members, hijack photos, and put them on the internet. You pay them some money and they take them down. These sites are organized by city though, so if you say you live in Duluth but you're really in New Orleans it's very unlikely friends or family would see the photos.

I wasnt able to set up a SA account when traveling in Europe. I think it was because I was using a U.S. credit card as I believe I tried using a VPN, and tried indicating I lived in Europe. You might have a similar problem if you try to sign up in Mexico.[/QUOTE]Better yet don't post any photos in your profile. No lead photo. No hidden photos. I have been doing this wildly successfully for four years now and have NO photos posted on the site at all. No chance of being outted that way. I do cover this in my profile saying that I am an executive and have to be discreet so no photos on site but glad to send.

And then depending how conservative you want to be you can either send a girl a photo thru the site as part of a message or you can say you aren't comfortable posting photos on the site and move them to WhatsApp. Not a problem for s girl worth her salt.

And yes you can def put your city as elsewhere. I am moving my city around all the time depending where I am headed next.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2779589]...I do cover this in my profile saying that I am an executive and have to be discreet so no photos on site but glad to send...I am moving my city around all the time depending where I am headed next.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the superb advice, which I've come to expect from (90%) of this forum. I'm kind of tempted just to tell the truth -- I've been married for forty years and, while I haven't had sex with my wife in almost twenty years, I don't want to embarass her.

I will report back with the results.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2779598]Thanks for all the superb advice, which I've come to expect from (90%) of this forum. I'm kind of tempted just to tell the truth -- I've been married for forty years and, while I haven't had sex with my wife in almost twenty years, I don't want to embarass her.

I will report back with the results.[/QUOTE]We are in very similar situations. Me no wife sex for 25+ years. For "status" I used Open Relationship, as there is no real good fit. I am not "Married but Looking" (I'm not planning to change my marriage sitch) nor am I single.

I have some girls ask if I'm married and I explain yes but it's sexless. Generally they are appalled and did not know such things exist! And quite sympathetic. So it's usually positive when disclosed.

Plenty of talk about the potential for chat bots to ruin the world. Here is the profile that ChatGPT suggests for me.

I suggested: write a sugar dating profile for a white male adventurous guy.

[QUOTE]Occupation: Adventure Tour Guide

About Me:
I am a white, adventurous guy who loves to explore new places and try new things. I am outgoing, confident, and always up for a good time. Whether it's hiking a mountain, bungee jumping, or trying a new type of food, I am always down for an adventure. I am also a very ambitious person and am always working towards achieving my goals. I am looking for a sugar baby who is fun-loving, adventurous, and enjoys trying new things. I am willing to be your sponsor, in exchange for your company and companionship on my adventures.

What I Offer:

Exclusive and luxurious travel experiences
A financially stable and generous sponsor
A fun-loving and adventurous companion
A chance to experience new and exciting things
What I'm Looking For:

A sugar baby who is fun-loving, adventurous, and enjoys trying new things
Someone who is open-minded and ready for new experiences
A sugar baby who is looking for a financially stable and generous sponsor
Someone who is willing to join me on my adventures and make new memories together[/QUOTE]Then being more specific: write a sugar dating profile for a male adventurous guy that prefers Asian girls.

[QUOTE]About me: I'm a thrill-seeking, adventurous guy who loves to explore new places and try new things. I'm always up for a challenge and am always looking for new ways to push my limits. I'm also a huge fan of Asian culture, and I love to travel to different parts of Asia to experience new cultures and meet new people.

What I'm looking for: I'm looking for a fun-loving, adventurous girl who is open to new experiences and is willing to join me on my travels. I'm particularly interested in meeting Asian girls, as I find their culture and beauty to be incredibly captivating. I'm looking for someone who is open-minded, outgoing, and confident, and who is not afraid to take risks and try new things.

My ideal sugar baby: My ideal sugar baby is a confident and adventurous Asian girl who is open to new experiences and is not afraid to take risks. She should be open-minded, outgoing, and confident, and should be willing to join me on my adventures and explore new places with me. She should also be able to hold a conversation and be able to engage in a variety of activities.

What I can offer: I can offer my sugar baby an exciting and adventurous lifestyle, with the opportunity to travel to new places and experience new cultures. I can also offer my sugar baby financial support and help her to achieve her goals and aspirations. I'm also a great listener and can offer my sugar baby a listening ear and a supportive shoulder when she needs it.

If you're a fun-loving, adventurous Asian girl who is looking for a thrill-seeking guy to join you on your adventures, then I'm the guy for you! Let's explore new places together and make unforgettable memories![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2779612]Me no wife sex for 25+ years. For "status" I used Open Relationship, as there is no real good fit. I am not "Married but Looking" (I'm not planning to change my marriage sitch) nor am I single.
[/QUOTE]I always tell women I am a widower. My ex-wife died a few years ago. I get more sympathy and understanding from the women.

If they ask more I say "I cut the brake lines of her car" and look at the expression on their faces change.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2779455]I'm leaving next week for a solo moto tour of Mexico and, after reading about all the successes here, I had it in mind to try and hook up with someone 1/4th my age on SA.
[/QUOTE]JC, I was in Mexico when the Covid restrictions hit. When American gyms and restaurants were closed in March 2020, Mexican ones were open and then they closed too. I remember thinking they even got Mexico, Mexico which has laughed and profited off the USA's "moral" stand with regards to drugs, prostitution, and gambling.

But the border never closed and when an American border town mandated wearing masks and none were too be found in the USA, I was able to buy several in Mexico.

Mexico reopened faster than everyone else and never required Covid vaccination to enter their country. When Colombia closed down, Dramafree suggested I look at Mexico, and the Mexican women literally kept me sane in this world that had gone totally mad. I traveled to Cancun when air fares were dirt cheap and stayed at resorts for next to nothing and went to amusement parks that were empty. Quite frankly, while the world was mad, I was having the time of my life.

And a month after Colombia reopened is when I met my woman, which would not have happened without the lockdown and travel ban, so you may think I am upset at someone like you but honestly people like you gave me the biggest gift of a lifetime. And what I mean by people like you is this:

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2577016]Republican-voting suckers actually caught and died from Covid-19 after refusing to wear a mask for fear that they would be taken for a "Democrat"/"lib" for doing so.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2577031]Kind of wishing it was a little more deadly.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2584902]This is not about you, it's about the health of all humans.

1) If you're not vaccinated, you will get it (unless the disease is first eradicated through the efforts of others).

2) The longer the disease circulates, the more it mutates. The delta mutation is apparently 100X more contagious than previous mutations. It exists in the US because you didn't get vaccinated.[/QUOTE]Like I said, personally, I should hug and thank a guy like you because my life was never better than during the pandemic. But I do have to ask if you have any regrets about what you posted. And do you find it at all hypocritical that you are traveling and asking advice for guys like me about Mexico, the one country that gave guys like you the middle finger?

As for your question, I never showed a photo on seeking and did not have any problem getting women. Best cities were Monterrey and CDMX for seeking. Best cities for P4 P were MTY and Tijuana. I would be careful going to or near Jalisco or Sinaloa. Sinaloa cartel, which tried to keep a lid on violence, has been overtaken by the Jalisco cartel who are killing people everywhere including the beaches of Cancun and Tulum. Sinaloa has been in turmoil since one of El Chapo's sons was arrested. Guadalajara is a great town and may have the best weather of all the major cities in Mexico and best P4P scene but I would hesitate going there now unless I got reassurance from those who have been recently. Seeking women in MTY want less than CDMX but MTY gets old after a while. In general, outside of the tourist areas like Cancun / Tulum, in general, the further South you go in Mexico, the less attractive the women are. If you find a babe in CDMX and want to spend a weekend away somewhere warmer and sunnier, Cuernavaca is a great place and only a cheap 90 minute bus ride from CDMX. Hope that helps.

Last time I looked, SA still does the auto-renew right?

So any of you guys use pre-paid? Does SA ban you on the 2nd month once they figure that same pre-paid Visa has no more fund in it?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2779878]JC, I was in Mexico when the Covid restrictions hit. When American gyms and restaurants were closed in March 2020, Mexican ones were open and then they closed too. I remember thinking they even got Mexico, Mexico which has laughed and profited off the USA's "moral" stand with regards to drugs, prostitution, and gambling.

But the border never closed and when an American border town mandated wearing masks and none were too be found in the USA, I was able to buy several in Mexico.

Mexico reopened faster than everyone else and never required Covid vaccination to enter their country. When Colombia closed down, Dramafree suggested I look at Mexico, and the Mexican women literally kept me sane in this world that had gone totally mad. I traveled to Cancun when air fares were dirt cheap and stayed at resorts for next to nothing and went to amusement parks that were empty. Quite frankly, while the world was mad, I was having the time of my life.

And a month after Colombia reopened is when I met my woman, which would not have happened without the lockdown and travel ban, so you may think I am upset at someone like you but honestly people like you gave me the biggest gift of a lifetime. And what I mean by people like you is this:



Like I said, personally, I should hug and thank a guy like you because my life was never better than during the pandemic. But I do have to ask if you have any regrets about what you posted. And do you find it at all hypocritical that you are traveling and asking advice for guys like me about Mexico, the one country that gave guys like you the middle finger?

As for your question, I never showed a photo on seeking and did not have any problem getting women. Best cities were Monterrey and CDMX for seeking. Best cities for P4 P were MTY and Tijuana. I would be careful going to or near Jalisco or Sinaloa. Sinaloa cartel, which tried to keep a lid on violence, has been overtaken by the Jalisco cartel who are killing people everywhere including the beaches of Cancun and Tulum. Sinaloa has been in turmoil since one of El Chapo's sons was arrested. Guadalajara is a great town and may have the best weather of all the major cities in Mexico and best P4P scene but I would hesitate going there now unless I got reassurance from those who have been recently. Seeking women in MTY want less than CDMX but MTY gets old after a while. In general, outside of the tourist areas like Cancun / Tulum, in general, the further South you go in Mexico, the less attractive the women are. If you find a babe in CDMX and want to spend a weekend away somewhere warmer and sunnier, Cuernavaca is a great place and only a cheap 90 minute bus ride from CDMX. Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]So true about the lockdown. I had 3 of the most beautiful girls in my life during lockdown. I would have never had a chance with them if it was not for Covid. 2 of the 3 now have boyfriends in Europe. I lost contact with the other girl.

I have been working a lot, so I have not been able to go to CDMX as much, not to mention flights were crazy expensive over the Holidays. I am back hanging out in MTY. Much cheaper and the girls are sexually freaks here, but it does get boring quickly.

I have a dark lit backside photo of me just to show how tall I am (I like tall women. Average sex with a tall chick, for me, is more satisfying than great sex with a short girl).

I do have face pics on "Private" mode which I share only if I am going to meet the girl, and remove access later.

Following some seniors' advice. Have a well buttoned up story / alibi. My face pics are those found by a mere google search of my name. So, that's my story if ever busted "some scammer used my public photo".

My phone, credit cards are in no way connected to SA profile. Granted an investigation will show my location / IP address but wifey will not "investigate" and I fully intend to not get in to any situation that truggers an investigation.

Be careful out there, use your best judgement, and have fun.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2779589]Better yet don't post any photos in your profile. No lead photo. No hidden photos. I have been doing this wildly successfully for four years now and have NO photos posted on the site at all. No chance of being outted that way. I do cover this in my profile saying that I am an executive and have to be discreet so no photos on site but glad to send.

And then depending how conservative you want to be you can either send a girl a photo thru the site as part of a message or you can say you aren't comfortable posting photos on the site and move them to WhatsApp. Not a problem for s girl worth her salt.

And yes you can def put your city as elsewhere. I am moving my city around all the time depending where I am headed next.[/QUOTE]

So Liz is a reg in a city I visit. Met three years ago and just did motel quickies but when I've moved away fro the area and come back to visit we have much more relaxed times. Turns out I really enjoy her company. She's def a wild child with lots of tats and a fuck May care vibe to match. So she's a ton of fun. First night was a bust because she wasn't feeling well but she said she'the make it up to me. So second night I played a bit of hooky and we started about 3:30 PM.

Had a couple warmup drinks at the hotel bar and then round 1 was on. We really went at it. I've found the Steve 2 to be an amazing position that girls love equally. We did a ton of this (her on her back. Kneel near her head. Dick in mouth. Fingers in pussy.) You can really drive her crazy with clit and gspot work while she sucks you off. Liz loves to suck cock and gives the boys equal treatment so it was heaven. All the usually positions. Told her to look at me while I hammered out a big load CIP. Wow. amazing to look into her eyes while blasting. (She's on the pill).

Then some cuddles and off to a spectacular dinner. Four or so drinks in back at the room with some Red Bull vodka acquired on the way. Round two was quite a hoot. In the car on the way back we got to talking about porn and Japanese porn and bukkake daddy daughter and you name it. She says she loves role play and I told her I had done a filthy daddy daughter role play with a girl in vegas. So it's on.

We decide to do the innocent school girl and old man role play. She gets right into it on the way from the elevator. She's wearing these amazing high spike fuck-me boots and says "I borrowed these from my mom!" Oooh so on point. Liking the role play.

So we continue in the room with her pretending she's never seen a dick before and me showing her that it goes in her mouth and pussy. Well you get the idea. Great fun and shockingly hornifying! The crowning achievement in the role play is when I'm fucking her hard in mish and close to finishing. And she says "oh ohh. I feel something. What. Oh my god!" Like she's having her first ever orgasm. OMG. She was so great to hit that note. I shot a hard load immediately after. What fun.

This is SA at its finest. When you get to another level of comfort with a girl and both just let loose.

[QUOTE=DjTan;2780227]Last time I looked, SA still does the auto-renew right?

So any of you guys use pre-paid? Does SA ban you on the 2nd month once they figure that same pre-paid Visa has no more fund in it?[/QUOTE]My membership doesn't auto renew.

A question for gentlemen who use Seeking in Colombia and Mexico. Do you have safety concerns, with respect to using the site? It seems like you'd be a sitting target, advertising or exaggerating your income and net worth in countries where kidnappings, murders and theft aren't as uncommon as they are here. I've used Seeking in other countries, but not Latin America.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2779878]JC, I was in Mexico when the Covid restrictions hit. When American gyms and restaurants were closed in March 2020, Mexican ones were open and then they closed too. I remember thinking they even got Mexico, Mexico which has laughed and profited off the USA's "moral" stand with regards to drugs, prostitution, and gambling.

But the border never closed and when an American border town mandated wearing masks and none were too be found in the USA, I was able to buy several in Mexico.

Mexico reopened faster than everyone else and never required Covid vaccination to enter their country. When Colombia closed down, Dramafree suggested I look at Mexico, and the Mexican women literally kept me sane in this world that had gone totally mad. I traveled to Cancun when air fares were dirt cheap and stayed at resorts for next to nothing and went to amusement parks that were empty. Quite frankly, while the world was mad, I was having the time of my life.

And a month after Colombia reopened is when I met my woman, which would not have happened without the lockdown and travel ban, so you may think I am upset at someone like you but honestly people like you gave me the biggest gift of a lifetime. And what I mean by people like you is this:



Like I said, personally, I should hug and thank a guy like you because my life was never better than during the pandemic. But I do have to ask if you have any regrets about what you posted. And do you find it at all hypocritical that you are traveling and asking advice for guys like me about Mexico, the one country that gave guys like you the middle finger?[/QUOTE]Elvis, I too enjoyed traveling to Mexico during that period. It was a mixed bag though. The restrictions in Mexico, like the USA, depended a lot on what state and city you were in. A woman from Jalisco I was dating at the time loved coming to my city in the USA, because we were wide open compared to where she lived. You universally had to get your temperature checked when you entered places and wear masks in the malls. I remember in Cabo San Lucas about 3/4's of the stores in the main shopping mall were closed, not because of lockdowns, but because there were no tourists. Leaving Los Cabos once it was impossible to get into the airport club or get food unless you were willing to wait at least half an hour because of staff shortages. On the other hand, it was nice to be there when there weren't crowds. I only went to Cancun once, and it did seem more open than Baja California del Sur or Jalisco, although I remember having problems getting into the hotel gym because you had to make a reservation and they'd only allow 5 people in it at one time.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2779878]I would be careful going to or near Jalisco or Sinaloa. Sinaloa cartel, which tried to keep a lid on violence, has been overtaken by the Jalisco cartel who are killing people everywhere including the beaches of Cancun and Tulum. Sinaloa has been in turmoil since one of El Chapo's sons was arrested. Guadalajara is a great town and may have the best weather of all the major cities in Mexico and best P4P scene but I would hesitate going there now unless I got reassurance from those who have been recently.[/QUOTE]I've been traveling to Guadalajara and don't have safety concerns. But then I visited Medellin in the mid 1990's and Juarez during 2000-2010, when murders were off the charts. Anyway, I figured you were full of shit about GDL, that it's not that dangerous. Well, after reading up on it a little, I've definitively determined you're not full of shit. It's gotten worse since the last time I looked at the statistics. The homicide rate is comparable to Honduras. A group of local police were busted recently for running a kidnapping ring. And immigration supposedly has been kidnapping expatriates as well, both busting into their homes and setting up checkpoints. They keep them maybe a couple of days, treat them roughly, and then release them when money is paid. I'll definitely be keeping a copy of my passport and entrance stamp with me at all times when I'm there in the future.

I will still continue to go there. But I'm not seeing women from Seeking or escorts in notels. And I don't go anywhere at night except to restaurants, in a car.

As to Sinaloa, I agree. What kind of an idiot would be scouting out sugar babies in Culiacan anyway? I could just see myself dating a Narco's girlfriend and getting whacked. Mazatlan's safer, but I understand air traffic was stopped there for a while, because the Sinaloa cartel was expressing its wrath throughout the state at the capture of El Chapo's son.

[QUOTE=DjTan;2780227]
So any of you guys use pre-paid? Does SA ban you on the 2nd month once they figure that same pre-paid Visa has no more fund in it?[/QUOTE]There is an auto-renew option. Whatever you payment method if your subscription expires and you haven't paid then you are lapsed. You can see but cannot message. You cannot even read your previous messages. So if you plan to expire, you need to have extracted any contact details.

But for me, I always delete the profile once it has expired. Messages keep coming and the desire to repay and read new messages is too tempting.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2780696]A question for gentlemen who use Seeking in Colombia and Mexico. Do you have safety concerns, with respect to using the site? It seems like you'd be a sitting target, advertising or exaggerating your income and net worth in countries where kidnappings, murders and theft aren't as uncommon as they are here. I've used Seeking in other countries, but not Latin America.
[/QUOTE]My SA experience in Bogota has been great so far. I have met more than 10 regular chicas just last year alone. Most of them are still in college. For one, it is not Medellin and hence less gringos jejeje. Two, Bogota has a lot of colleges and hence the bigger pools of available girls that I prefer. I think as long as one practice some safety measure, the risk is manageable.

For example, I would try to meet with them first over a drink or dinner before bringing them back over to my apartment. I would also stay in apartment where there are front desk security. One time, before one of my girl left the following morning, the security actually called me on the apartment phone to verify that I am ok and she was who she said she was before allowing her to leave.

Also, I was offered a threesome session the first time by one girl. I told her that I needed to have a session with her first before I can do a threesome the next time, in which she understood and agreed to.

Another thing, never leave your drink unattended in the bar or anywhere outside and don't drink from anything that is offered by any girl. Getting drugged may be more common there. If I am to go clubbing, I would usually include a wingman to keep an eye out for one another.

Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2780696]A question for gentlemen who use Seeking in Colombia and Mexico. Do you have safety concerns, with respect to using the site? It seems like you'd be a sitting target, advertising or exaggerating your income and net worth in countries where kidnappings, murders and theft aren't as uncommon as they are here. I've used Seeking in other countries, but not Latin America.

Elvis, I too enjoyed traveling to Mexico during that period. It was a mixed bag though. The restrictions in Mexico, like the USA, depended a lot on what state and city you were in. A woman from Jalisco I was dating at the time loved coming to my city in the USA, because we were wide open compared to where she lived. You universally had to get your temperature checked when you entered places and wear masks in the malls. I remember in Cabo San Lucas about 3/4's of the stores in the main shopping mall were closed, not because of lockdowns, but because there were no tourists. Leaving Los Cabos once it was impossible to get into the airport club or get food unless you were willing to wait at least half an hour because of staff shortages. On the other hand, it was nice to be there when there weren't crowds. I only went to Cancun once, and it did seem more open than Baja California del Sur or Jalisco, although I remember having problems getting into the hotel gym because you had to make a reservation and they'd only allow 5 people in it at one time.

I've been traveling to Guadalajara and don't have safety concerns. But then I visited Medellin in the mid 1990's and Juarez during 2000-2010, when murders were off the charts. Anyway, I figured you were full of shit about GDL, that it's not that dangerous. Well, after reading up on it a little, I've definitively determined you're not full of shit. It's gotten worse since the last time I looked at the statistics. The homicide rate is comparable to Honduras. A group of local police were busted recently for running a kidnapping ring. And immigration supposedly has been kidnapping expatriates as well, both busting into their homes and setting up checkpoints. They keep them maybe a couple of days, treat them roughly, and then release them when money is paid. I'll definitely be keeping a copy of my passport and entrance stamp with me at all times when I'm there in the future.

I will still continue to go there. But I'm not seeing women from Seeking or escorts in notels. And I don't go anywhere at night except to restaurants, in a car.

As to Sinaloa, I agree. What kind of an idiot would be scouting out sugar babies in Culiacan anyway? I could just see myself dating a Narco's girlfriend and getting whacked. Mazatlan's safer, but I understand air traffic was stopped there for a while, because the Sinaloa cartel was expressing its wrath throughout the state at the capture of El Chapo's son.[/QUOTE]I have never had any issues with being a target on SA. I never talk about money and I always meet in public the first meeting. Now I also require Video Chats. This eliminates 90% of the problems. I did have a meeting in Austin and broke my rule. She was about 50 pounds bigger then her pictures. I need to stick to my rules. I look back at all my bad dates, if I would have Video Chatted prior I would have saved a lot of time and money. Also if you tell a girl that you must video chat before you meet this will also help eliminate the scammers.

For the most part the girls in Mexico never bring up Money. Same with violence I have never had any issues in either MTY or CDMX. I did see a little in Tijuana, but it usually involved drugs.

I must say since I got back on SA 3 weeks ago there are much fewer scammers in the states now. I think SA is cracking down, there still there, but they are fairly easy to spot. In Mexico we always use WhatsApp and in the states instant messaging. I do not use any other forms of Social Media. If a girl suggest other forms it is usually a huge waste of time or a scam. Another red flag, if they say they are out of town for a few weeks, this usually some sort of scam. Use Video Chatting, you will have a much better experience.

SA is still tough in the states, but you can still have a great time and meet some greet girls.

Gents, we tend to circle around the same cities in these discussions. Yes Mexico is great.

What are the other excellent cities are rich, teeming with sugar babies?

Often I find myself in some part of the world and I look to see what cities are close by and how many girls are in my target age on Seeking. So far very few cities have hundreds (which means probably a few dozen active).

What amazing cities with lots of action have you conquered?

I'll go first.

Barcelona was surprisingly strong. Not as strong as Cdmx but I had zero problem lining up dates.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2780779]My SA experience in Bogota has been great so far. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2780790]I have never had any issues with being a target on SA. [/QUOTE]Many thanks gentlemen. Great practical suggestions Ggekko.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2780835]Gents, we tend to circle around the same cities in these discussions. Yes Mexico is great.

What are the other excellent cities are rich, teeming with sugar babies?

Often I find myself in some part of the world and I look to see what cities are close by and how many girls are in my target age on Seeking. So far very few cities have hundreds (which means probably a few dozen active).

What amazing cities with lots of action have you conquered?

I'll go first.

Barcelona was surprisingly strong. Not as strong as Cdmx but I had zero problem lining up dates.[/QUOTE]I was just in SEA recently and tried to use SA in both Manila and Jakarta. Manila is a dud and not a good option. I have slightly better luck in Jakarta. However, I only manage to meet two girls since a few were so flaky with their schedules. I had a great time with one of them, which I wish to repeat but she simply did not have the time since she was deluged with work during that time of the year, while the other one was just ok, but I would probably not repeat.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2780696]A question for gentlemen who use Seeking in Colombia and Mexico. Do you have safety concerns, with respect to using the site? It seems like you'd be a sitting target, advertising or exaggerating your income and net worth in countries where kidnappings, murders and theft aren't as uncommon as they are here. I've used Seeking in other countries, but not Latin America.
[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Tiny12;2780696]A question for gentlemen who use Seeking in Colombia and Mexico. Do you have safety concerns, with respect to using the site? It seems like you'd be a sitting target, advertising or exaggerating your income and net worth in countries where kidnappings, murders and theft aren't as uncommon as they are here. I've used Seeking in other countries, but not Latin America.[/QUOTE]Tiny, first time I went to Bogota, I was in Hotel Ibis. Lobby is like Best Western, and rooms are like Motel 6. Neighborhood was okay, and I never had any issues, but women were not impressed and wanted money up front.

Then I upped my game, and I went to upscale hotels, wore a suit, and met the women there. With that atmosphere, it was kind of gauche to mention price, and in Mexico or Colombia, it was never meet and greet and then sex the second meet like in the USA. It was let's get it on now. So I would be banging these women within a hour of a meet.

And when you meet them in the nice hotel, you have cameras everywhere and probably better security than USA hotels. Still, there were issues but not the kind you mentioned but with women and they had to deal with what American men fear.

One Mexican woman was saying while we were having sex, "You know I can have you arrested" as if I was raping her. So I stopped, got my wallet, opened my hotel room door, and threw the money we agreed upon on the public hall floor where I assume there were cameras and shut the door behind her when she went for that money. Good luck with that arrest now honey.

But I had known that Mexican police do not take these dumb comments seriously from a previous incident. I saw a girl who is 22 but looks young. We get it on, and she goes home, and she claims her "cousin" stole her phone. The "cousin" pretended to be her mother, and texted me that her "daughter" was underage, and she is going to the cops unless she gets payment. I ignored the texts. Girl comes back on a few hours later, apologizes, and now asks for more money because "cousin" stole her money too.

Truth is age of consent where this happened is 18 in CDMX but other parts of Mexico, the legal age is 13. What I learned is that it is unless men trick or wrongly coerce these young girls and there is an irate parent then maybe the Mexican police will react, but most times they could care less. My take was that if you met a woman on seeking the police would laugh it off unless there was objective evidence something really bad happened.

So Tiny in that way, these countries may be safer. With the Kobe Bryant case, a woman consenting to sex but regretting it the next morning was considered rape and the police went full press on him, and it would not surprise me to see some American police departments send a SWAT team after me with just the allegation of having sex with someone under aged. So you can imagine these scams may work on some American guys then, but all in all, I think you are actually safer where P4 P activity is legal / tolerated.

All that said, I think it is best to get used to one hotel and operate out of it. It also helps to get to know and tip the staff. They are your first line of defense and something you will not see here is security literally bringing a woman to your room. That happened to me once in Colombia and once in Mexico, and I have to admit that I kind of thought that was cool. "Here is the pizza you ordered sir and here is the red head for desert". Now that was some good room service.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2780905]I was just in SEA recently and tried to use SA in both Manila and Jakarta. Manila is a dud and not a good option. I have slightly better luck in Jakarta. However, I only manage to meet two girls since a few were so flaky with their schedules. I had a great time with one of them, which I wish to repeat but she simply did not have the time since she was deluged with work during that time of the year, while the other one was just ok, but I would probably not repeat.[/QUOTE]There is absolutely no reason to use Seeking in Manila.

Filipina are so easy to meet and fuck that you don't need Seeking. Just use DateInAsia or Filipina Cupid or Tinder etc. You will have a girl within an hour of setting up a free account.

Also, an overnight freelancer girl expect to tip P2,000-P4000 per night, that's USD45-90/ night not the crazy Seeking girl asking prices.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2780905]I was just in SEA recently and tried to use SA in both Manila and Jakarta. Manila is a dud and not a good option.[/QUOTE]Damn, that sucks. I saw other people not recommend Manila: not enough candidates and they ask for way too much. I'm going there again with friends and was hoping to spend a few days by myself, but looks like I'll change it up.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2780295]So true about the lockdown. I had 3 of the most beautiful girls in my life during lockdown. I would have never had a chance with them if it was not for Covid. 2 of the 3 now have boyfriends in Europe.[/QUOTE]"Boyfriends"? Sugar daddies, sure, but not boyfriends. These women are still having sex with other men while getting their rent paid by someone they see maybe every few months.

BCN and Madrid rock. You get a good set of chicks at a reasonable cost.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2780835]Gents, we tend to circle around the same cities in these discussions. Yes Mexico is great.

What are the other excellent cities are rich, teeming with sugar babies?

Often I find myself in some part of the world and I look to see what cities are close by and how many girls are in my target age on Seeking. So far very few cities have hundreds (which means probably a few dozen active).

What amazing cities with lots of action have you conquered?

I'll go first.

Barcelona was surprisingly strong. Not as strong as Cdmx but I had zero problem lining up dates.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SfoCowboy;2781121]BCN and Madrid rock. You get a good set of chicks at a reasonable cost.[/QUOTE]What's the average rate? I don't look for women who charge by the hour and I prefer the first meeting to be a few hours at least.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2781262]What's the average rate? I don't look for women who charge by the hour and I prefer the first meeting to be a few hours at least.[/QUOTE]I always go about 25 pct higher than what's needed because I need for things to be locked in firm. It's a catastrophe if a girl changes her mind and I lose one of my precious Days.

I was going for 20-25 year old girls that were 8+ and finding that offering 400 euros was very well received. So my sense is 250-300 would be good.

Question for the membership -- Do you use burner phones when dating sugar babies outside the USA?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2780912]Tiny, first time I went to Bogota, I was in Hotel Ibis. Lobby is like Best Western, and rooms are like Motel 6. Neighborhood was okay, and I never had any issues, but women were not impressed and wanted money up front.

Then I upped my game, and I went to upscale hotels, wore a suit, and met the women there. With that atmosphere, it was kind of gauche to mention price, and in Mexico or Colombia, it was never meet and greet and then sex the second meet like in the USA. It was let's get it on now. So I would be banging these women within a hour of a meet.

And when you meet them in the nice hotel, you have cameras everywhere and probably better security than USA hotels. Still, there were issues but not the kind you mentioned but with women and they had to deal with what American men fear.

One Mexican woman was saying while we were having sex, "You know I can have you arrested" as if I was raping her. So I stopped, got my wallet, opened my hotel room door, and threw the money we agreed upon on the public hall floor where I assume there were cameras and shut the door behind her when she went for that money. Good luck with that arrest now honey.

But I had known that Mexican police do not take these dumb comments seriously from a previous incident. I saw a girl who is 22 but looks young. We get it on, and she goes home, and she claims her "cousin" stole her phone. The "cousin" pretended to be her mother, and texted me that her "daughter" was underage, and she is going to the cops unless she gets payment. I ignored the texts. Girl comes back on a few hours later, apologizes, and now asks for more money because "cousin" stole her money too.

Truth is age of consent where this happened is 18 in CDMX but other parts of Mexico, the legal age is 13. What I learned is that it is unless men trick or wrongly coerce these young girls and there is an irate parent then maybe the Mexican police will react, but most times they could care less. My take was that if you met a woman on seeking the police would laugh it off unless there was objective evidence something really bad happened.

So Tiny in that way, these countries may be safer. With the Kobe Bryant case, a woman consenting to sex but regretting it the next morning was considered rape and the police went full press on him, and it would not surprise me to see some American police departments send a SWAT team after me with just the allegation of having sex with someone under aged. So you can imagine these scams may work on some American guys then, but all in all, I think you are actually safer where P4 P activity is legal / tolerated.

All that said, I think it is best to get used to one hotel and operate out of it. It also helps to get to know and tip the staff. They are your first line of defense and something you will not see here is security literally bringing a woman to your room. That happened to me once in Colombia and once in Mexico, and I have to admit that I kind of thought that was cool. "Here is the pizza you ordered sir and here is the red head for desert". Now that was some good room service.[/QUOTE]Great post Elvis. Ggekko2009 and DramaFree had some good pointers, and you tie it all together. Like I said in another post, you have good common sense and an ability to think out of the box. I never would have thought to throw money in the hallway, where the woman would show up on cameras picking it up.

My life was seriously screwed up for several years as a result of dating sugar babies in the USA. I won't go through the whole sad story as I might out myself if someone who knows me read this. I did end up thinking for about 6 months that I might have a child, who turned out to be imaginary.

Your point is well taken. The risks in the USA must be greater than outside the country.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2780706]There is an auto-renew option. Whatever you payment method if your subscription expires and you haven't paid then you are lapsed. You can see but cannot message. You cannot even read your previous messages. So if you plan to expire, you need to have extracted any contact details.

But for me, I always delete the profile once it has expired. Messages keep coming and the desire to repay and read new messages is too tempting.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

Maybe that's why, you removed your profile completely. I already turned autorenew off but only disabled not remove my profile, thinking in case I want to re activate it later; then SA recharge my card after 1-2 months, really pissed me off since I am already in relation with a girl at that time.

Other than that SA is fine.

Outside us I use Telegram or Whatapp, both linked to phone numbers that aren't my real number.

Inside US I use one of the many burner fone number apps you can get on Apple Store.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2781318]Question for the membership -- Do you use burner phones when dating sugar babies outside the USA?

Great post Elvis. Ggekko2009 and DramaFree had some good pointers, and you tie it all together. Like I said in another post, you have good common sense and an ability to think out of the box. I never would have thought to throw money in the hallway, where the woman would show up on cameras picking it up.

My life was seriously screwed up for several years as a result of dating sugar babies in the USA. I won't go through the whole sad story as I might out myself if someone who knows me read this. I did end up thinking for about 6 months that I might have a child, who turned out to be imaginary.

Your point is well taken. The risks in the USA must be greater than outside the country.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2781318]Question for the membership -- Do you use burner phones when dating sugar babies outside the USA?

[/QUOTE]No, and part of the reason is because everyone outside the USA uses whatsapp. Telegram has gotten a little more popular because it is supposed to be harder to break than whatsapp.

Whatsapp is encrypted, but I would be surprised if the USA government has not been given the keys to break it by Facebook / Meta. My guess is that few other countries have the keys. If someone else knows otherwise, please enlighten us.

BCN is where I met one of my all time favorite SBs. Paid 250. She was more about how I treated her (respectful) than how much I paid. She explicitly said that.

Dinner at a nice place (cost me 100), then drinks at a bar (about 40). Making out in cab on the way, fucking like dogs in room (I think we fucked thrice), then some wine in room. Went for a shower together and we fucked again in shower this time finishing CIM, and cuddled all night to sleep. Woke up next morning with a hard on and we fucked again even before brushing. Took her for breakfast, back to room and one last fuck. Gave her 250 and she was super happy.

With inflation now, maybe 300.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2781262]What's the average rate? I don't look for women who charge by the hour and I prefer the first meeting to be a few hours at least.[/QUOTE]

So I know I write on here about all my homeruns. Including recent epic date with reg Liz. But the remainder of the week was crash and burn in a Midwest city.

Day 1 I had a date planned with a girl from two weeks back. Great convo leading up to it. All the usual girlfriendy signs. A couple days before she says she's going to get her nails and brows done because she wants to look nice. Clearly an indirect money ask which I ignore. We keep talking. Day before the date she says she feels like shopping to look nice for me. Again ignore. Day of date I go to confirm. Silence. Two more texts later in day. Ghosted.

I hadn't thought much of it at the time when she did the money asks but in retrospect having been ghosted, she was looking for a sucker to send some cash. Well avoided that bullet but no date. Boo.

So next night I start poking around and get three girls on the hook. One I really dig her face and things go well and we book a date for that night. She shows up and is a pretty girl and well built but I'm not that attracted. Still no question I will fuck her. I mean I'm not going to send a pretty girl home. Really interesting girl. Tattoo artist. Competitive swimmer. Personal trainer. I mean what's not to like. But I don't feel the vibe.

Nonetheless we go to the room. Kinda awkward interactions. Kissing but not tongue. It just feels off. At some point she moves to the bed and we try to get it going but it just feels off. I kiss her neck work her pussy a bit but it's kinda starfish. So I roll on my back to at least get BJ and she starts HJ. And is there about 6 inches away but just HJ. Fortunately as an experienced guy I put the cards on the table and say hey. I can feel there's no chemistry here it can happen. And she's kinda like what do I mean? And I say well you know blowjob and sex. I can do a handjob myself.

She says she was surprised how hairy my dick is (it's not, relatively speaking) and that put her off. Then she says but it really sucks that I called out tonight because it's usually a good night (indicating she needs the money). So I say well do you want to try and do BJ and sex or just call it a night. She says no let's try. So she gives s credible BJ. We do some Steve 2 and she's at least slightly wet. Eventually doggie cowgirl and mish. The sad truth is I came pretty fast because she wasn't super wet and it was high friction. Sad. I asked her if she was ok at one point and she said yes but serious starfish fuck. No more than ten minutes max.

And then having shot on her tummy (surprised she went at it bareback with condoms literally on the nightstand) we called it a night. So I got a shot off but it was weird and awkward. Am I glad I did it versus skipping a night? Dunno. Kinda a toss up.

Anyhow point is it's not all sunshine and roses. This week I was 2 for 3. Going to give Liz a 1. 5 because it was epic. Middle girl ghosting zero. And last girl a. 5. It's tough out there fellas. (Depending on geography).

PS. This just in. I asked for some constructive feedback and she replied. I thought it was a physical thing but actually not. She said she felt I wasn’t listening to her at dinner. And I said the neighborhood wasn’t too good and she was really insulted cuz it’s way better than where she comes from. So she felt a bit disrespected. Ouch. Made me feel kinda bad but I am glad she was honest. I can def improve knowing this.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2781593]
Anyhow point is it's not all sunshine and roses. This week I was 2 for 3. Going to give Liz a 1. 5 because it was epic. Middle girl ghosting zero. And last girl a. 5. It's tough out there fellas. (Depending on geography).[/QUOTE]That's a crash and burn? I'd call it a good week, with 1 great fuck, 1 ghost, and 1 hot starfish BBFS.

What were the prices you paid, and what ages and races were the girls?

And yeah, since you ignored the girl's 2 texts (asks for money), I'd expect that she'd ghost you. She probably got lots of other guys pre-paying her, and odds are she never showed up for those dates.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2781593]She says she was surprised how hairy my dick is (it's not, relatively speaking) and that put her off.[/QUOTE]WTF? After all of that talk about how to keep your scrotum smooth you have a hairy dick? Sounds like you need to use that Venus razor (or something) on your pecker too! [B]Hahahaha[/B]!

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2781601]That's a crash and burn? I'd call it a good week, with 1 great fuck, 1 ghost, and 1 hot starfish BBFS.

What were the prices you paid, and what ages and races were the girls?

And yeah, since you ignored the girl's 2 texts (asks for money), I'd expect that she'd ghost you. She probably got lots of other guys pre-paying her, and odds are she never showed up for those dates.[/QUOTE]Liz is a white white girl. Not my usual type but I've come to dig her. She reluctantly agreed 300 back in 2020 but I moved her to 400 when we started barebacking later. Ghost girl was black and we never settled a figure. (That is not a sign. I've done that before.) was planning 400 which I had done with another girl same city a year ago and never discussed. Final girl was super light black mix with green eyes. 400. I might coulda got her for less but didn't try.

Wondering how you guys give money. It's always awkward for me.

At the end of the date, I usually clumsily put the money in her purse and say something like I left the gift I promised you in your purse.

I always call it a gift. And I don't literally hand it to her so it feels less transactional.

But it still feels a little awkward. Anyone have a better way?

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2780979]There is absolutely no reason to use Seeking in Manila.

Filipina are so easy to meet and fuck that you don't need Seeking. Just use DateInAsia or Filipina Cupid or Tinder etc. You will have a girl within an hour of setting up a free account.

Also, an overnight freelancer girl expect to tip P2,000-P4000 per night, that's USD45-90/ night not the crazy Seeking girl asking prices.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree with this too. I think Phillpines is the one place where Seeking is not useful. In Manila there are several freelance bars and you would be better served Pinaylove or anothersite like that.

When you meet civvies there is no p4 p. You can take them to Jollibees or McDonalds and that should suffice. When I meet civvies I bring chocolates and things like that. Some women refuse things like paying for their transportation.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2781591]BCN is where I met one of my all time favorite SBs. Paid 250. She was more about how I treated her (respectful) than how much I paid. She explicitly said that.

Dinner at a nice place (cost me 100), then drinks at a bar (about 40). Making out in cab on the way, fucking like dogs in room (I think we fucked thrice), then some wine in room. Went for a shower together and we fucked again in shower this time finishing CIM, and cuddled all night to sleep. Woke up next morning with a hard on and we fucked again even before brushing. Took her for breakfast, back to room and one last fuck. Gave her 250 and she was super happy.

With inflation now, maybe 300.[/QUOTE]Thankyou for sharing numbers. I'm heading to bcn shortly (first time in Spain) and trying to find reference points to pivot off as needed, but it was all over the place. Some gal asking 1 K euro straight off in chat (which is surprising as anyone been member in SA for sometime know that it brings the ban quick), and some playing really coy.

I'm not able to read the SA vibe in this city yet (and I consider myself experienced user of app but all in South American continent), I am going to explore few more days to see if I get some reasonable leads or else I have to jump to prepago / casa game. Ugh!!

It depends, but the least I paid was 200 for a night. The highest I paid was 400 for spending almost 24 hours. I got lucky once and the girl didn't take anything. The spend on food, drinks etc was 200 odd. All the best!

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2781262]What's the average rate? I don't look for women who charge by the hour and I prefer the first meeting to be a few hours at least.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2781604]WTF? After all of that talk about how to keep your scrotum smooth you have a hairy dick? Sounds like you need to use that Venus razor (or something) on your pecker too! [B]Hahahaha[/B]![/QUOTE]God put hair there so you do not get friction when you fuck, cross your legs, wear pants, and masturbate. The hair is to slide you dick into her moist juicy pussy. Like underarms. You need hair there. If you shave your balls and dick you will get rubbed and red from the friction and start to chafe. Then your dick and balls will get sick and shrink into the cold recesses of your body. Yes, I am a doctor.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2781593]
PS. This just in. I asked for some constructive feedback and she replied. I thought it was a physical thing but actually not. She said she felt I wasnt listening to her at dinner. And I said the neighborhood wasnt too good and she was really insulted cuz its way better than where she comes from. So she felt a bit disrespected. Ouch. Made me feel kinda bad but I am glad she was honest. I can def improve knowing this.[/QUOTE]I was married to a woman like this, someone I called a serial offender. You could say "you look nice today, honey", and if she was in the wrong mood, she would say, "Are you saying I looked like shit yesterday? God, you are such an asshole. ".

Thing is the government is actually rewarding this kind of behavior. The Babylon Bee did this bit on Twitter workers laid off: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-voQsFY6SE[/URL].

Then I had to take a job related course on human trafficking which used to be sexual in nature but has morphed into people calling it slavery. Yes, you can be trafficked without your even knowing it and what we used to call work is now called trafficking / slavery.

The point is you are not going to get a lot of help from society with those who are the serially offended "victims". They seem to know to get offended just enough so you do not dump them, but it might not even be you that sets off the trigger. With my ex, it would be lack of food or caffeine and she would go into witch mode.

I know the USA market is tough, and people should do what they want, but with a serial offender, they never stop. Their being offended is their power, and you are supposed to apologize to them no matter what you have done. And yes, that dick line was one my ex used as well when she did not want to give head. "It tastes funny. " In the end, you are walking on egg shells, and you are the one spending the money.

And that is why I prefer the Latin world. The female equivalent of machismo is marianismo. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianismo[/URL].

And this quote sticks with me: "don't be unhappy with your man, no matter what he does to you; don't ask for help outside of your husband; don't discuss your personal problems outside the house. ".

Compare that to Oprah Winfrey's show which was a non-stop * fest about men.

And of course, she was boring. If you are constantly restraining yourself with PC talk that does not offend, you can practically end their sentences because they just repeat what is known to be non-offensive. So yeah, these women may fulfill their traditional roles well but I cannot believe I stuck it out as long as I did with someone whose personality had two modes: boring or offended, and it is so sad that this is what we have created in our country. I swear a woman like this is what the new ideal is.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2781907]God put hair there so you do not get friction when you fuck, cross your legs, wear pants, and masturbate. The hair is to slide you dick into her moist juicy pussy. Like underarms. You need hair there. If you shave your balls and dick you will get rubbed and red from the friction and start to chafe. Then your dick and balls will get sick and shrink into the cold recesses of your body. Yes, I am a doctor.[/QUOTE]I wish God had thought about how I could encourage women to suck my nuts then! For this reason, besides the hair on our genitals, I'm glad he also gave us free will. Yes, I too am a doctor. Of philosophy.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2781907]God put hair there so you do not get friction when you fuck, cross your legs, wear pants, and masturbate. The hair is to slide you dick into her moist juicy pussy. Like underarms. You need hair there. If you shave your balls and dick you will get rubbed and red from the friction and start to chafe. Then your dick and balls will get sick and shrink into the cold recesses of your body. Yes, I am a doctor.[/QUOTE]You sound quite intelligent, and yes I have enjoyed reading your posts. What is your specialty, Doctor? Dick and Balls? LOL.

They think they will give you a lot of interest on the day before your membership expires. Then you will sucker into renewing. Have had enough of the mooches, tired old sluts, and overvalued hoes and need a rest. Thankfully it will expire today!

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2782091]They think they will give you a lot of interest on the day before your membership expires. Then you will sucker into renewing. Have had enough of the mooches, tired old sluts, and overvalued hoes and need a rest. Thankfully it will expire today![/QUOTE]I see you have arrived to the place where I have been for some time now. Sweet mercy of God let it end! LOL!

Hi all. I am not getting a lot of responses on SA any advice on what the opener should be? Should it be direct on what am I looking for or should it be more of tinder like opener?

I am bit confused if I should directly opening with asking them what arrangement they're looking for / what I am looking for kr be more flirtatious?

I am going for vacation to Paris and want to use SA. Any advice or experiences?

Thanks for your help.

Best luck. BCN is a big market. Start early. Which you have.

Some girls ask exorbitant. I had a few asking me 500 EUR for a dinner only. Ghosted them. Then, some spoke about per hour. Pros. Let them slide away.

Eventually, you find gems.

Also, pay attention to local age of consent. I had a 20 why. O when she showed up, I politely asked to verify her ID. Only then took her to my place.

She has had sex with her BF only few times before she met me. She thought sex lasts only few minutes. When we went at it for 20/30 minutes of pounding, she had many orgasms. And at some point started to beg me for more. She told me she never thought sex can be so good.

Bottomline: there are gems in Europe. Find them. Keep them.

Unlike US, which has more crazy women than I expected, Europe is much better.

[QUOTE=MushElvii;2781869]Thankyou for sharing numbers. I'm heading to bcn shortly (first time in Spain) and trying to find reference points to pivot off as needed, but it was all over the place. Some gal asking 1 K euro straight off in chat (which is surprising as anyone been member in SA for sometime know that it brings the ban quick), and some playing really coy.

I'm not able to read the SA vibe in this city yet (and I consider myself experienced user of app but all in South American continent), I am going to explore few more days to see if I get some reasonable leads or else I have to jump to prepago / casa game. Ugh!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2782449]
She has had sex with her BF only few times before she met me... She told me she never thought sex can be so good.
[/QUOTE]When you ask a woman how many sex partners she has had, you can add a 0 to the number, and that gives you a true number. With men, take away a 0 at the end, they are usually braggards and exaggerate the number of women they have bedded.

[QUOTE=MarkJJMark22;2782365]Hi all. I am not getting a lot of responses on SA any advice on what the opener should be? Should it be direct on what am I looking for or should it be more of tinder like opener?

I am bit confused if I should directly opening with asking them what arrangement they're looking for / what I am looking for kr be more flirtatious?

I am going for vacation to Paris and want to use SA. Any advice or experiences?

Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]I wrote a guide a couple years back. I might tweak a thing here or there now. But I think it's 95% right. Hopefully this will help you and other SA newbies with openers and more.

So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second.

Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive), there is a set of rules you have to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl in a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some texting game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

The most important rule when vibing with a girl and getting a meeting set up is: never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on the Seeking Arrangements platform and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat. Plus, it can get you booted from SA for life if you are reported. Don't worry, there are ways to have this conversation properly, explained below.

Start your engagement with a girl with some light chat and flirt. Your opener should be something specific to her that you read in her profile -- not something generic. And ALWAYS end every message with a question. This prompts her to respond. If you don't ask a question, she will not take the initiative and the conversation will just die. You have to drive it; and you drive with questions. Get her to tell you a few things about herself: what she likes to eat, her favorite wine, dog or cat person. It doesn't really matter what you discuss; just something that will get her to engage a bit.

At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably well and one or the other will suggest taking the conversation off of SA and over to text. If she goes there in the first few exchanges, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text. But don't do it too early – this spooks the nice girls. Have a conversation over a few days and then take it off SA to texting.

Once you are texting, pick up the thread you had going and continue a little friendly chat. At some point, you will suggest that you think you vibe well and should meet up. Most often she will agree and now its time to establish that you will have sex (without saying it!) and how much is the agreed price (without saying it's a price! Some guys cover the price discussion in person, but I find that awkward and always set it ahead of time.

Once she's said "yeah, lets meetup" I say I want to describe our date to her (this is how I introduce the sex topic without getting explicit.) I usually say something about going out for dinner or drinks and having an epic time, laughing a lot and if the chemistry is right spending some private time (or intimate time or adult time -- insert your favorite euphemism -- but never say SEX!) or on the off chance we don't vibe, we can part after dinner no harm no foul. And ask if that sounds about right to them. Most often, if they are the kind of girl you are after, they will be down with this description and say, sure that sounds good.

This opens the door for the pricing discussion. I usually say something like "Of course I'the want to give you a gift / allowance. Did you have something in mind?" and the negotiation is underway. Never ever say "what's your price" or "how much do you charge for PPM". Always use the approach above, that you want to give them something. Sometimes, she will say she doesn't know and get you to give the first figure (good negotiating tactic on her part, but often they are in fact new). I am OK with this and say "well, what I've done before is 300. I hope that works for you. " (note no $ sign).

As far as what you should pay, I've found a strong correlation between what a pretty hooker charges for an hour (in a given city) to be what an SA girl will take for an evening. I'the say (pre-pandemic) most big US cities $400 is reasonable for a pretty girl (lots will ask more – I just kick them to the curb) with SF and NYC more like $500. In second tier cities, $300 should do it and I've found a few gems at $200 (though more in the 6-7 category). During the pandemic, I've found a lot of these girls are struggling, so if they ask 500, when 400 is more correct, I usually don't push them on it and just go with what they asked.

Once you have the "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.

Having done this alot (more than 30 times in many different cities), I've found that having sex on the first date is super important. The few times I've had a platonic date (especially a non-alcoholic one) to be followed by sex on the second date – it never happens. You have to take the momentum on that first date and take it all the way to the bedroom. Remember girls are submissive and will largely follow your lead – even if that lead is to the hotel room.

Finally, I should note that how much time you spend with her is largely up to her and how well you vibe. It's not something you negotiate, like you would with a hooker. Most times it will probably be 3-4 hours including dinner and sex, after which she might say she needs to get home. But, in my experience, about 50% of girls sleep over. It's not something you discuss. It just happens. You cuddle after sex and next thing you know she's taking off her necklace to the bedside table. Bingo!

Seeking is absolutely the best, if you take the time to find the gems amongst the bullshit and follow the above guide.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2782507]I wrote a guide a couple years back. I might tweak a thing here or there now. But I think it's 95% right. Hopefully this will help you and other SA newbies with openers and more.

So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second.

Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive), there is a set of rules you have to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl in a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some texting game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

The most important rule when vibing with a girl and getting a meeting set up is: never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on the Seeking Arrangements platform and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat. Plus, it can get you booted from SA for life if you are reported. Don't worry, there are ways to have this conversation properly, explained below.

Start your engagement with a girl with some light chat and flirt. Your opener should be something specific to her that you read in her profile -- not something generic. And ALWAYS end every message with a question. This prompts her to respond. If you don't ask a question, she will not take the initiative and the conversation will just die. You have to drive it; and you drive with questions. Get her to tell you a few things about herself: what she likes to eat, her favorite wine, dog or cat person. It doesn't really matter what you discuss; just something that will get her to engage a bit.

At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably well and one or the other will suggest taking the conversation off of SA and over to text. If she goes there in the first few exchanges, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text. But don't do it too early this spooks the nice girls. Have a conversation over a few days and then take it off SA to texting.

Once you are texting, pick up the thread you had going and continue a little friendly chat. At some point, you will suggest that you think you vibe well and should meet up. Most often she will agree and now its time to establish that you will have sex (without saying it!) and how much is the agreed price (without saying it's a price! Some guys cover the price discussion in person, but I find that awkward and always set it ahead of time.

Once she's said "yeah, lets meetup" I say I want to describe our date to her (this is how I introduce the sex topic without getting explicit.) I usually say something about going out for dinner or drinks and having an epic time, laughing a lot and if the chemistry is right spending some private time (or intimate time or adult time -- insert your favorite euphemism -- but never say SEX!) or on the off chance we don't vibe, we can part after dinner no harm no foul. And ask if that sounds about right to them. Most often, if they are the kind of girl you are after, they will be down with this description and say, sure that sounds good.

This opens the door for the pricing discussion. I usually say something like "Of course I'the want to give you a gift / allowance. Did you have something in mind?" and the negotiation is underway. Never ever say "what's your price" or "how much do you charge for PPM". Always use the approach above, that you want to give them something. Sometimes, she will say she doesn't know and get you to give the first figure (good negotiating tactic on her part, but often they are in fact new). I am OK with this and say "well, what I've done before is 300. I hope that works for you. " (note no $ sign).

As far as what you should pay, I've found a strong correlation between what a pretty hooker charges for an hour (in a given city) to be what an SA girl will take for an evening. I'the say (pre-pandemic) most big US cities $400 is reasonable for a pretty girl (lots will ask more I just kick them to the curb) with SF and NYC more like $500. In second tier cities, $300 should do it and I've found a few gems at $200 (though more in the 6-7 category). During the pandemic, I've found a lot of these girls are struggling, so if they ask 500, when 400 is more correct, I usually don't push them on it and just go with what they asked.

Once you have the "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.

Having done this alot (more than 30 times in many different cities), I've found that having sex on the first date is super important. The few times I've had a platonic date (especially a non-alcoholic one) to be followed by sex on the second date it never happens. You have to take the momentum on that first date and take it all the way to the bedroom. Remember girls are submissive and will largely follow your lead even if that lead is to the hotel room.

Finally, I should note that how much time you spend with her is largely up to her and how well you vibe. It's not something you negotiate, like you would with a hooker. Most times it will probably be 3-4 hours including dinner and sex, after which she might say she needs to get home. But, in my experience, about 50% of girls sleep over. It's not something you discuss. It just happens. You cuddle after sex and next thing you know she's taking off her necklace to the bedside table. Bingo!

Seeking is absolutely the best, if you take the time to find the gems amongst the bullshit and follow the above guide.[/QUOTE]Awesome report. I think the days of $300, are pretty much gone. You can get some great girls $400-500 range.

A couple of observations for my month back on on SA in the states. As I said before scans do not seem to be as big as issue as they were a couple of years ago. There are plenty of desperate girls out there, probably way more then before Covid as the recession drags on. Most of the girls drink way too much or smoke way too much dope. It surprises me the number of girls that have no plans to have sex or want a relationship. I just do not believe there is a lot of guys out there that just pay for companionship, without sex, maybe I am wrong?

Girls seem to find a way to make themselves look 20-30 pounds lighter then in reality. They are terrible with there money and just have idea how to budget there funds.

On the brighter side I have connected with 2 girls that I am seeing regularly. Both pot heads, but love sex and like to have fun. So overall a great experience. Way too much work at first, but when you get some regulars it can be an amazing.

As Elvis said SA is so much better in Latin America and Europe, but when I combine Latin America, with a couple of girls in the states, I have the best of both worlds.

As I posted my guide earlier this week, I realized I have a somewhat encyclopedic knowledge of the Seeking Game and have truly enjoyed it over the past 4 years. I know some guys come here thinking "what's all this about and is it worth it", so I thought I'd post my best week ever -- just in sheer volume of experiences -- Dec 2019. Its a long read and much longer than the forum posts allow so going to break into two sections about the three different girls I saw in Vegas over a 5 day period.

Welcome to Las Vegas -- Best Sugar Baby Week of My Life (at the time!)
I started looking for girls back three months in advance -- just for something to do. And I snagged Jesse back then. I was texting her pictures of London when I wasn't fucking RoGirls. LOL. Then found Alexa shortly thereafter and Krystal after that. All three were great about staying connected the entire time. We sorted pricing about a month before my visit. So it was just BFGF texting after that.

Remember, SA girls are not hookers -- at least the ones I want to be with. There is a certain amount of game required -- both text game and in-person game. And, since I've had a couple civvy (unpaid) dates that were sex-fails, using my 30 year old pickup game (LOL), I've been reading up on Nampa -- Japanese Street Pickup Game. And I've learned some good stuff which I ended up using particularly with Jesse. Here are some terms you need to know:

Escalating/Kino - Light touching and kissing during the date to establish how receptive she is. I do this naturally anyhow.

Bounce - Take the girl from one location to another, particularly one where u can be close together. And when u bounce to the hotel don't make a big deal about it. Don't discuss. Don't ask. Just go there.

Push and Pull -- When u go for a kiss or a feel and she resists. Just brush it off. Change the subject. Try again in a bit. It will go farther. Eventually u can get her worked up and do the deed.

Persistence -- Don't be deterred if u get shot down. Just take a detour and try again. This concept was so foreign to me. You'd be amazed at the guys that go for a kiss, get shot down three times and end up fucking a half hour later after repeated push pull! WTF? Really. Yep.

LMR - Last minute resistance. Despite a girl going to your room she may get cold feet at the last minute. Push and pull and persistence are key to dealing with this.

Anti-Sl*t Defense (ASD) - No girl wants to feel like a ****. They need to rationalize in their heads that u are special and fucking u on the first date is Ok. U have to help them see this. That is also why in street pickup, you have to isolate her from her friends on an initial open and bounce somewhere else (so she can later go to the hotel privately and not look slutty).
Some guys push it all too far, IMO, but most of the principles are sound. This will be important later particularly with Jesse.

First up is Alexa as my most girlfriendy find. All my girls say Italian is their favorite, so it's three days straight of high-end Italian for me. First up is Il Mulino. Alexa is a bit late but keeps me up to date.
She is REALLY pretty. So petite. A 4-11 intoxicating mix of Black, Filipina and Italian with a wild cascade of soft curly hair. She’s wearing a green tight fitting sweater dress. It shows a nice cleavage -- maybe more than she likes, cuz she adjusts her tits about 20 times during dinner. Works for me! She is really completely unaware of how gorgeous she is.

The dinner is a little weird and awkward but not to the point of being uncomfortable -- it's one of those super fancy places where they keep showing up and grating cheese and doing this and that. It's really a bit much for both of us.

So we bounce to the hotel which of course has lots of bars too. So we could go to either my room or the bar. In the Uber I escalate and take her hand. She takes it with both of hers and rests them on her lap. OK we are golden to go straight to room.

At dinner she didn't hardly touch her Chardonnay but I got a nice sweet Rose and in the room she starts drinking at a high pace. I think she's trying to get up her nerve. Which is good cuz it's a bit of a warm up -- she's definitely new to this. Some really nice kissing at the window looking at the view. She kisses pretty well, but she really likes sucking on my lips and tongue which is unusual but pretty sexy.

We roll about on the bed some and make out (I like the leadup) and realize I forgot to take my Viagra. Damn. I excuse myself to go to the bathroom (and take it.) When I come back, she's taken off her dress and is in a bra and tiny panties (she's a bit shy despite having a perfect body). Nice!

So I know we'll go slow. I start by getting on top of her (fully clothed) and kiss her strongly and work my way down. Lovely B-cup tits and she loves having them sucked. And then I start eating her through her panties and then slide them to the side and dive in. A lovely sweet young girl pussy and she is really enjoying it. I have to laugh though when I start to use a finger and she says "don't put that in there!" It was kinda funny. These are girls not pros and that is a large part of the fun.

It's even funnier when I stand up to take off my pants and she slides over to where I am standing by the bed and says "I'm supposed to do that to you now right?" Hahahaha! Yep babe u are. These babes in the woods!

Actually her BJ is not half bad. I have to show her how to lick and suck and not just jam it in and out and she takes to it well including BLS with no complaints.

So round 1 we have some truly great sex. Mish with lots of kissing. Doggie. Cowgirl. RCG. There is no question she is into it; not just acting. I like this part with the nonpros also.

Despite great sex I don't cum after quite some time. We eventually pull out and she gets back on the BBBJ and I shoot a hot load in her mouth which she takes like a champ. And trots her picture perfect ass to the bathroom to spit. I don't even mind her spitting, cuz the view of her ass heading to the bathroom is spectacular.

So we cuddle for a while. And I really can't recall how we got wound up again. But surely we had been drinking. We nearly killed the whole bottle of wine. And I guess our judgment went out the window. I had taken only a small dose of Viagra and wasn't rock hard. As we are switching to RCG and it's not a perfect slide in she says fuck it and rips off the condom and chucks it and mounts up raw!

Damn. Bareback is unwise, but holy fuck there was no resisting. And it was spectacular. We did a bunch of positions again. Wasn't sure I could cum even with the bareback. When I pulled out of doggie -- BTW her ass is a complete work of art - maybe second finest ass in the world (Fortune can never be beat). And then jacked off some with my thumb in her pussy from behind (guess the wine got her a bit more permissive). So nice. But nope. No jizz.

So she mounts up RCG and really starts fucking me aggressively and it feels great. I can feel the build. I pull out at the last minute and shoot a strong load. Ahhhhhh finally.

And then she sleeps over! This is not a hooker. This is a sweet girl who makes her own decisions and how nice to have her sleeping next to me. In the morning, she asks for an extra hundred since we went farther than planned and she stayed over. I don't have a problem with this. Haven't done bareback in literally 25 years.

She wanted to see me again and I was a little noncommittal which seemed to disappoint her. But I wanted to see my other girls and decide who to repeat. After seeing Jesse, (see below) I decided to repeat with Alexa on Wednesday night and she was stoked. And honestly the more I think back to the optics, I am too!

OK. So day 2 is Jesse day. Jesse is my 20 year old Viet Korean Mexican hottie. From the pics, she was kinda my fave. In person she is pretty, but via lots of make up and eyelashes and hair extensions (she confessed). Alexa is more naturally pretty. But Jesse is still a very pretty girl.

I changed reservations to go to Lago instead of Carbone, which sounded too much like Il Mulino. Lago is spectacular. The view of the Bellagio fountains is amazing and the food is wonderful. It's Italian tapas so we had five plates we shared.

We had a really nice dinner and she is a much more engaging conversationalist than Alexa. And she really appreciates the setting and the food. She gets carded by the waiter, but she can't produce it and they deny her a glass of wine. Kind of a bummer; but I guess an occupational hazard of dating a twenty year old! Hahaha

So with Jesse more so than the others, I start to sense her youngness and perhaps she's not as sophisticated and sexy as she tries to imply. I decide to walk straight to the hotel without really saying where we are going, but surely she knows. I escalate with an arm around from time to time and it's not a cold response but not warm either.

As we enter the hotel I tell her I have a couple wines to choose from in my room and she says OK, so we just rock on up there. It's pretty comfortable but u can tell she is shy -- which is in complete contrast to how she dresses, as she is the sluttiest dresser of the three.

In the room, we admire the view and I can just feel the flow is not right. We start drinking and that probably helps. At one point she sits on the bed, which I take as a good sign and join her. But we really just chat a bit awkwardly. At some point I think fuck it and just go in for a kiss. She responds nicely and is a pretty good kisser. So we do that for a minute or two then stop.

The push and pull (remember Nanpa?) is now ringing in the back of my mind so I initiate again and pull her down to a lying position. And we make out a bit more but it's just not feeling there to move beyond that. But again, in retrospect, this was one more pull in a push pull sequence I was unconsciously executing.

I think we have some more wine but you can feel this awkward feeling that she is not DTF (down to fuck) and so I just meet it head on and say it seems she doesn't have chemistry towards me and it's cool. Sometimes it happens. She is all shy about it and says “I can’t have sex with a guy I just met!” (LMR! ASD!). I say I understand.

At some point I tell her all girls are different and I met a girl in Buenos Aires who took me to a sex club on our second date -- just to let her know that girls her age can be highly sexual. Plus, I am thinking it's not happening, so whatever.

She says "pour me another drink". I think she's getting up her courage. And I say I have a great idea. Let's just make out like high schoolers and we'll do what high schoolers do -- up to but no sex.
And she says OK. In retrospect I see I was subconsciously using push pull and a lot of persistence.

So I pull her up fully on the bed and we are both fully clothed and I start letting her feel my masculine dominance. I am on top and kissing her hard and passionately and grinding my pelvis into hers. I do go really slow like a first timer. I start pulling her shirt up and her bra down and sucking her tits. She LOVES that. She’s starting to grind back. Good sign...

At some point I put her hand on my hard dick through my jeans (also learned this move from the Nampa dudes!). And I feel her pussy thru her jeans and start thinking about getting them off. I am distracted with some more tit work and when I look down again, her jeans are unbuttoned and the zipper down. Looks like an invitation to me!

At some point we turned out one of the other lights and she is down to bra and panties and I am still working her pussy from the outside when she suddenly says "OK we can fuck now. Just turn out the lights."

WTF? Thank you baby Jesus!

I promise this was not all part of an evil plan -- I really did plan to stop short and jack off later. But I realize I subconsciously executed some rocking Nampa moves without knowing it! I always read in disbelief as some guy escalates from a blocked kiss to an SNL (single night lay) and how the girl’s defenses crumble as she gets horny. And goddamn if I didn't just do it!

She is TRULY inexperienced. No BJ. No DATY. Modest attempt to get me hard by hand. But nice sex in all positions. Marked by her checking her phone from time to time as her mother texts. Bwahahaha. She lets me know she only has a half hour. So I am a little concerned especially with no BBBJ warmup. But her pussy feels great (using Trojan Bareskin Magnums which I like) and I pound out a nice shot in Mish shortly after she says "cum for me baby". Woohoo!

Definitely not the best sex ever and not a repeat. But the whole experience was totally fascinating and I am glad I had it. Seeking just remains soooo interesting.

I walk her to her Uber and off she goes. I know she is feeling a little slutty and so I help her ASD a bit by texting her how I appreciate that she can see I am different from other guys and such. Just helps her feel like she made an exception. Seems to work, as I get some thanks and heart emojis back. And she texts me the next day. Just nice touch base stuff. I am sure she'd go again, but there are too many better options.

And now the lovely Krystal. About a week in advance of our date, she sent me a “looking forward to seeing you” message, complete with a video of her fucking herself with a dildo. So I am not expecting the same shrinking violet as Jesse. And sure enough Krystal is a confident wildcat of a girl. OMFG she rocked my world.

So since Krystal was forward enough to send me pictures of her fucking herself, I am not gonna bother with dinner across town and some charade like the room is optional. So I change dinner to the Italian restaurant in my hotel. She’s a bit late but she's in my Uber so I know when she arrives and meet her at the hotel lobby.

Wow. Super pretty girl. She’s straightened her hair and it looks great that way. Tall girl -- 5-6 or better and spike heels. Displaying a ton of chest. Clearly solid C cups. And on the way walking to the restaurant she is chatty and bubbly --- like she knows she's the prettiest girl in the place (and she is!). I pretty much love her from minute one!

We have a really great dinner. Alexa was a bit awkward. Jesse was solid. And Krystal is just absolutely great to hang with. There is no lag in the conversation. We talk about everything including her hot sisters. She doesn't try to put on airs or try to keep things private. Just a chatty bubbly open book.

After dinner we walk back into the main bar and casino area and I offer if she wants to get a drink somewhere or go to the room and she says up to me. So let's go to the room baby! Off we go.

There is no pretense at all with Krystal. It's clear she is DTF from minute one. I pour us some wine (man I am going through the Rose!) and we sit on the edge of the bed. Pretty soon we are both
leaning in and making out. And then she puts her hand on my dick which is hard by now through my jeans and says "I really like your dick". This is a bit of a theme -- She likes to talk dirty which is not really my thing, but it amuses me and she seems to like to do it. And Krystal has the best DFK of the three by far. She's a little hard to figure out, because she definitely has a ton of pro moves about her, but she really is a waitress and trains others and has a real job. Either way it’s great.

So I go take a leak and when I come back she asks if she can too -- sure no problem. And out she comes from the bathroom in a black teddy! Fuck! Well it doesn't take us long to get down to business. She’s got a great set of C cups, kisses wonderfully, and has a sweet and juicy pussy. She does a pretty big amount of what would appear fake moaning and later screaming, but she is super sloppy, so some of it might be real, who knows. She has a tiny clit and she says so. Haha, she is not shy.

After a bit of DATY I stand up and she slides to the edge of the bed and then onto her knees and says "can I suck your cock?" Of course I say NO. Hahaha kidding. She can suck cock for sure. Not as much BLS and licking as I like but she deep throats and is plenty sloppy and vocal -- pretty PSE. At some point she says "will you fuck me baby, I want you to fuck me". While not yet a fan, the dirty talk is growing on me! So I say sure and suit up.

She is soooo sexy when she gets on her back -- those big doe eyes saying fuck me baby and kinda squirming around like she can't get your dick inside her soon enough. I think I'd had a few drinks (and several girls) cuz I don't remember it all. The mish is really good. Lots of DFK and serious pounding and her being very vocal. "oh my god baby just like that. Go slow and deeper. oh my god".

And a screeching build to apparent O. We move to cowgirl at some point and she fucks me really hard and heavy. Back to mish. We go for like 30 minutes plus.

After I cum, we are laying side by side and I go to take the condom off and it’s not there! WTF? I go uh oh baby I seem to have lost something. She doesn't panic at all. She hops up, goes to the bathroom, and comes back bubbly as can be: "Yep, it was just inside. There’s cum in it so we should be good. But if you want I'll get a morning after pill, they cost like $40 if you don't mind paying -- I'll send you a pic of the receipt". And all this in just the bubbliest happy girl voice. Yeah, not too many amateurs fish a condom out of their pussy and quote you the price of Plan B. Hahaha! Who cares I kinda love her!!!

So we just relax comfortably for quite some time, her head on my chest, intertwined. I think we both doze for a bit. At some point, she awakens and her lips are about a foot from my cock and I start getting hard again. And kinda pull her up into DFK and she starts jacking me and we are off to the races again. Some truly great sloppy BJ to start. Some fabulous mish. Doggie. RCG. Loose the condom and do fingering deep while she is on her back and I am mouth fucking her. We get another condom and go for a while. I mean shit it was probably an hour or more of this. And I feel guilty and while she is on her back looking sooooo sexy I say "sorry babe, but sometimes I am hard to finish" and she says "thats OK baby you can fuck me all night if you want!" OMFG and with that look in her eyes. WTF. a fucking goddess.

So we fuck some more and then go for BBBJ in several positions -- finally end with her between my legs and a great climax that she swallows without a second thought. This girl is hot chick dynamite.

We talk about her staying but I have a 7 AM call and she has to get up early to go to work also. So we shower and part ways but make plans to go again.

As it turns out I've already booked a repeat with Alexa for tonight and she is sooooo sweet I hate to cancel, so I book Krystal for Thursday and she is cool with that. So I get to sample a second date with both ladies. But in Krystal, I've found someone I really vibe with to the point that I would fly her to see me on some travel gig. I hate to waste London on her with so much going on there. But maybe if I travel here in the US I'll see if she'll join me. Anyhow, nice to meet someone I dig that much.

So, Seeking has delivered once again! And what a box of life experiences -- ranging from Jesse, where I literally had to seduce her and get her horny to get her to break out the pussy -- to Krystal who is a full on rockstar pornstar sex bunny -- and Alexa right in between, barebacking me in the heat of the moment.

OMG What a bunch of fun sampling three girls in three days! But it’s not over yet…stay tuned for part 2!

So after seeing all three girls, Krystal was the clear winner by a mile. Unfortunately I had already booked Alexa again for Wed and I didn't want to cancel on her. I mean this is a bunch of coin for these girls. So I went ahead with that date. It was OK but nothing to write home about -- so I won't.

But my Thursday date with Krystal is one of my all time favorites. She's a keeper. I've only had two girls before who I would fly to London and skip my RoGirls. Thifany and Valentina. Krystal is the first stateside girl I would do that with. Plus I could fly her to lame venues like Detroit. I think she'd be down.

We had agreed $400 as allowance a month or so ago. But I had just received my yearly bonus. So I wrote her about exactly how I wanted the date to go (room time, dinner / party time, room time) and no rush and I want to give her $600. She is totally worth more than that for the amount of time we spend together. And of course she was down with that. And OMFG it was so great. No clock watching. No money discussion. Just great.

So we start by meeting at my hotel and head straight to the room. She was actually about 30 minutes late which offered me a new experience. As I am sipping my Gin and Tonic in the lounge, a middle aged dude approaches and starts chatting me up. We chat amicably for a few minutes, but I start to wonder what his game is. Then he says that I am a handsome and sensitive man and asks for my number! Hahaha! That's a fucking first! LOL.

So Krystal arrives and she's even prettier than I remember. She just breezes in and lights up the place with her bubbly confidence. She has on a super short skirt, so short that it doesn't even come past her jacket. And a "diamond" choker. She is devastating. She is the best looking girl in the hotel and casino by a country mile.

Honestly, just walking to the room I feel like a million bucks. She's my girl and everyone else can just stand and drool!

So we head to the room and pour some Rose. Just get on the bed together and drink and chat. So comfortable. Eventually there is soft kissing, turning to passionate DFK and my hand down between her thighs, where I discover her bad-girl black lace panties have a large hole and provide some nice pussy access.

Down I go for some DATY with some nice neck sucking (she loves this) and titty sucking (her nipples get nicely erect) on the way. Then DATY, at first through the hole, but shortly we lose her panties and I give her some rip roaring DATY including Gspot fingering of course!

Her pussy is super wet and juicy. Her being a non-pro, it's not excessively washed clean of all smell. It has that perfect young girl pussy smell and when I drive my tongue fully inside there is even more awesome sauce!

We swap it up and she starts some very good BJ. She doesn't really lick as much as I like, but I hesitate to direct her as her in and out is great and sloppy and her lips have just enough black girl in her to make them a joy to watch! Reminds me of Thifany actually. Watching the BJ is a highlight.

She is not shy and she likes to talk dirty. "Do you want to fuck me baby? I want that big dick inside me. " She does this pixie cartoon type of voice. I am not usually a fan of this showmanship but she pulls it off. And yes baby I will now fuck you. Thank you for asking!

We start in cowgirl and boy is she ready to ride. She does all variety of grinding and in and out and chest to chest and fully upright. It's really good but I have enormous stamina given the "hard" week. I do like sometimes to just make it really hard, push as deep as it will go and let her use me as her fuck buddy.

This apparently works as she cums two times spaced about 5 minutes apart. She's super vocal - "oh fuck baby. Shit shit shit. Fuck fuck oh my God I am cumming". It seems a bit made up, but she is dripping wet and the second one I felt a couple light pussy clamps so she's definitely having a good time. And fuck she looks great up there riding, perfect see cups bouncing, when I am not kneading the fuck out of them.

We swap over to Mish with Plenty of DFK and neck sucking while I fuck her deep. She's left on her heels and diamond choker which just adds to it all. And she is holding her heels with her hands on either side of my head. Super deep. Getting a boner writing this!

At some point I am exhausted and we call it and I ask her to finish me by mouth. "Of course baby!" And she launches into some epic BBBJ with CIM and swallow. I love it when they swallow with a smile. Like it's yummy. I did drink my pineapple juice so maybe it was!

We rest a bit in each other's arms. Actually I think we both fell asleep for a bit. This is the unrushed part and I love it. We shower together and get dressed and head off for dinner and nightlife. I had told her earlier that I had a surprise for her but she doesn't know what.

As we are exiting the hotel, I detour her into the Swarovski crystal shop. I had scoped it out beforehand and knew virtually everything was under $300 and honestly having just gotten a very large bonus and being with this goddess I was super happy to play Real Sugar Daddy and OMG she was over the moon. We jointly picked out an amazing "diamond" necklace with matching earrings. Cost: $249. Result: Priceless!

So we bounce to our Uber, Krystal wearing her new bling, and head to dinner. We are headed to a vibey place called Sake Rok. But when we arrive they say they closed at 10. Boo. But we find another sushi place inside the NYNY hotel and it is super good. Just having dinner with her is a dream. Fuck I could look at her all day.

After dinner, we bounce to Skyfall, a rooftop bar on the 64th floor of the Delano. It's 11:15 and they close at midnight but what the heck. Highly recommended. A view to die for. We go out on the heated patio and just snuggle and drink. All of Vegas spread at the king's feet. LOL. (we find out later it's a private area we were supposed to pay for but hey we got it free!

As midnight arrives we make it back to the hotel and pretty much crash -- fully clothed on the bed in each other's arms.

We are both fucking wiped out from alot of food and drink and we doze off. At various times I wake up or she stirs too and I have these very conflicted thoughts:

I am fucking wiped. It would feel so good to just sleep. I probably can't cum anyhow. I should just call it a night and let sleep take me.

Dude you fucking pansy. You have one more chance to fuck the hottest girl in Vegas. What the fuck are you thinking!

And these go back and forth in my head as I variously sleep and wake for another hour or so.

Finally, reason prevails and I lean over and kiss her lightly on the cheeks. She stirs but clearly is also super sleepy and considering whether to do it again or not. Well awesome girlfriend that she is, she also makes the right decision and swings her leg over me and gets on top and then rises up to fully clothed cowgirl and starts grinding away. I oblige by pushing my now mostly hard dick firmly against her pussy. OK it's on!

Round two is much like round one. But this time after I DATY for a while, she wants me to fuck her, but I can tell I am not hard enough even tho she's working me by hand. In fact you know when your ball sack is like super droopy and you know you are miles away from cumming? That was me. Mr Floppy Ballsack. So I was super worried.

I think she would have preferred to skip the BJ but I tell her I need a little help by mouth and she cheerfully obliges. Fuck she's good at that and I get good and hard. But Mr Floppy Sack persists and I remain worried about completion (which as you know is a self fulfilling prophecy!

So she rides cowgirl a long time and gets off again -- she always finishes in cowgirl -- then I mount up in Mish and start some rhythmic pounding. I actually try out the Andy move and put a pillow under her butt and fuck on my knees leaning back. I do it waaaay better this time than I did with Alexa and I must say the visual of me driving my dick in and out of this goddess is compelling! Thanks Andy! Plus she is strumming her clit good and enjoying being on the bottom.

Eventually though I feel like I might get soft so I move back into traditional Mish and start a very rhythmic pounding again. She starts doing a lot of dirty talk which I usually find off putting. But instead it's really distracting and sexy in a good way and I start to feel the slow build. WTF?

During all the stream of dirty talk -- "oooh fuck me baby. Just like that. Fuck my tight pussy with your big dick" - she throws in "Fuck me Daddy!" OMG I just about laughed out loud but I love her zest for making an experience authentic!

Again strangely the dirty talk is working and I am using my trick of not focusing on my dick. I'm looking at her lips. And her slight bunny teeth. That tendon in her neck that is straining sexily. And.

Wham. We get it done! I am more surprised than anyone! She's a fucking magician and I tell her so.

Now we snuggle back together all naked and exhausted and start dosing again. No rush! And at some point I feel her rouse and she's taking off her necklaces to the bedside table. She's sleeping over!

And sure enough we cuddle and spoon and sleep till my alarm hits at 6 AM. She just sleeps on.

As I leave, she rouses a bit when I give her a kiss or two and we say goodbye. Wow! What a girl and what a night! To be repeated for sure. It's just a question of when and where.

P.S. Even though I end this report planning to repeat with Krystal after some back and forth she is in the wind. But a year later, I was going to Miami and hit up Alexa "want to spend the weekend in Miami" thinking I'd get a sure WTF? But she was down. Still one of the best weekends of my life. And then I saw her last year in Vegas for three epics nights and 6 bottles of wine! And any time I want I can see her in Vegas -- we are solid. And she's an amazing human to boot. I think the world of her. So Seeking can deliver on so many levels.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2782449]Best luck. BCN is a big market. Start early. Which you have.

Some girls ask exorbitant. I had a few asking me 500 EUR for a dinner only. Ghosted them. Then, some spoke about per hour. Pros. Let them slide away.

Eventually, you find gems.

Also, pay attention to local age of consent. I had a 20 why. O when she showed up, I politely asked to verify her ID. Only then took her to my place.

She has had sex with her BF only few times before she met me. She thought sex lasts only few minutes. When we went at it for 20/30 minutes of pounding, she had many orgasms. And at some point started to beg me for more. She told me she never thought sex can be so good.

Bottomline: there are gems in Europe. Find them. Keep them.

Unlike US, which has more crazy women than I expected, Europe is much better.[/QUOTE]Thanks for input. I've worked on about dozens for 8 day period (some double booked to cover for ghosting situation), but I'm just ticked off with all this telegram shit every other girl pulling off.

Those who play in European market, is telegram really first mode of contact method rather than Whatsapp?

I never "repeat: never" hooked up with anyone using telegram as it's always crypto shit, hooker, or buy my photo / video B.S. Whenever conversation went to teleg, and I stopped using it for atleast 2+ years ago, but every other girl in BCN want to talk on telegram.

For about 16-18 contacts I mined using Whatsapp, I had to put my foot down with at least 10 of them for not using telegram. One even admitted that her BF checks Whatsapp msgs so she wanted to keep SA separate (LOL. Which tells me she is only willing to come to hotel and I usually don't do SA for direct in-call).

The other prevailing group I came across is Russians. I'm 50-50 on weather it's pro or non-pro and will vet them over tapas / drinks in person.

Looking forward for Spanish SA exploration as next month after that is Germany SA (where I also never used SA before)!

[QUOTE=MushElvii;2782905]Thanks for input. I've worked on about dozens for 8 day period (some double booked to cover for ghosting situation), but I'm just ticked off with all this telegram shit every other girl pulling off.

Those who play in European market, is telegram really first mode of contact method rather than Whatsapp?[/QUOTE]Different cities and countries develop trends.

In 2019 I had a great SB hookup in Rome. Girl only ever used Telegram and she was 100% legit, well except for her DD size enhanced boobs. She met me as planned after her work on the Friday, stayed until I saw her off to work Monday morning. Just had to search her profile again and reminisce. She's still active in Rome, lucky people.

I think for your methodology you need some better questions up front. Look for genuine considered questions that are in the context of your discussion. I find Scammer and crypto go down a standard path.

Unfortunately it's like hunting for gems. You have to shift some dirt to find the gems. Just get better at that sifting.

Yes. When I was in Spain a lot of people used Telegram. The same way nobody in the states uses WhatsApp but everyone in Latin America does, telegram is pretty big in Spain.

[QUOTE=MushElvii;2782905]Thanks for input. I've worked on about dozens for 8 day period (some double booked to cover for ghosting situation), but I'm just ticked off with all this telegram shit every other girl pulling off.

Those who play in European market, is telegram really first mode of contact method rather than Whatsapp?

I never "repeat: never" hooked up with anyone using telegram as it's always crypto shit, hooker, or buy my photo / video B.S. Whenever conversation went to teleg, and I stopped using it for atleast 2+ years ago, but every other girl in BCN want to talk on telegram.

For about 16-18 contacts I mined using Whatsapp, I had to put my foot down with at least 10 of them for not using telegram. One even admitted that her BF checks Whatsapp msgs so she wanted to keep SA separate (LOL. Which tells me she is only willing to come to hotel and I usually don't do SA for direct in-call).

The other prevailing group I came across is Russians. I'm 50-50 on weather it's pro or non-pro and will vet them over tapas / drinks in person.

Looking forward for Spanish SA exploration as next month after that is Germany SA (where I also never used SA before)![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2782993]Yes. When I was in Spain a lot of people used Telegram. The same way nobody in the states uses WhatsApp but everyone in Latin America does, telegram is pretty big in Spain.[/QUOTE]Yeah I confirm same. My London girl Sue was a first time SB. She wouldn't give me her phone number but suggested Telegram. And she was just a regular girl.

Telegram, by itself, is not a problem in Europe.

4 out of 8 SB girls of mine used Telegram to communicate. They all turned out to be legit girls.

[QUOTE=MushElvii;2782905]Thanks for input. I've worked on about dozens for 8 day period (some double booked to cover for ghosting situation), but I'm just ticked off with all this telegram shit every other girl pulling off.

Those who play in European market, is telegram really first mode of contact method rather than Whatsapp?

I never "repeat: never" hooked up with anyone using telegram as it's always crypto shit, hooker, or buy my photo / video B.S. Whenever conversation went to teleg, and I stopped using it for atleast 2+ years ago, but every other girl in BCN want to talk on telegram.

For about 16-18 contacts I mined using Whatsapp, I had to put my foot down with at least 10 of them for not using telegram. One even admitted that her BF checks Whatsapp msgs so she wanted to keep SA separate (LOL. Which tells me she is only willing to come to hotel and I usually don't do SA for direct in-call).

The other prevailing group I came across is Russians. I'm 50-50 on weather it's pro or non-pro and will vet them over tapas / drinks in person.

Looking forward for Spanish SA exploration as next month after that is Germany SA (where I also never used SA before)![/QUOTE]

LOL. True that.

But this one had a certain surprising look when I made some sex moves. Well, maybe she faked that.

But the way her pussy felt around my dick (Bareback) for over 20/30 minutes. She can't fake that. Relatively fresh hole.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2782480]When you ask a woman how many sex partners she has had, you can add a 0 to the number, and that gives you a true number. With men, take away a 0 at the end, they are usually braggards and exaggerate the number of women they have bedded.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2783147]Telegram, by itself, is not a problem in Europe.

4 out of 8 SB girls of mine used Telegram to communicate. They all turned out to be legit girls.[/QUOTE]I have had girls ask me Mexico and the states to use Telegram. A definite Hell no, not debatable.

I simply tell the girls, I have no time for any other Social Media. If they are real and they are interested, they will contact me either Instant Messenger or WhatsApp, in Mexico.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2783150]LOL. True that.

But this one had a certain surprising look when I made some sex moves. Well, maybe she faked that.

But the way her pussy felt around my dick (Bareback) for over 20/30 minutes. She can't fake that. Relatively fresh hole.[/QUOTE]Another thing I have noticed is how comfortable they are handling a cock. I recently acquired a new dating site girl uni girl. She said she has had 4 partners, she is 26. There is something about the way she moves my cock that tell me she really isn't experienced. She's never sure exactly how to touch it. Compare that to our experienced SBs, university dropouts and Asian massage ladies. They can all make things very effectively.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2782480]When you ask a woman how many sex partners she has had, you can add a 0 to the number, and that gives you a true number. With men, take away a 0 at the end, they are usually braggards and exaggerate the number of women they have bedded.[/QUOTE]That if you're talking to a monger, especially some of them on this board, then they're probably telling the truth LOL! A very long time ago I used to keep count, but then I stopped as I felt that was just plain silly. So just suffice it to say so many that I don't even know how many hahaha! Maybe even add a 0 like for a women LOLOLOL! I do know this much. I've fucked more hot girls in the ass than most men will get even pussy. And I'm talking about over the course of their [B]entire[/B] lifetimes! Now that's the honest to goodness truth!

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2783165]Another thing I have noticed is how comfortable they are handling a cock. I recently acquired a new dating site girl uni girl. She said she has had 4 partners, she is 26. There is something about the way she moves my cock that tell me she really isn't experienced. She's never sure exactly how to touch it. Compare that to our experienced SBs, university dropouts and Asian massage ladies. They can all make things very effectively.[/QUOTE]It's so fun when you find a fresher. Even if her BJ isn't great there is something about being with them as they discover more of their sexuality. I had a Viet coed in NYC a couple years ago. Total babe I'm the woods. Had had s serious boyfriend for like five years (she was 23) and only two other guys. The best part was when I ate her pussy and she really got off over s twenty minute period or so (I was enjoying her enjoying) she said — and I quote:

Wow. I guess I've never had that done properly before. That was really something!

THAT is truly satisfying. Plus they often coach up really fast. I've def shown many a girl how to suck balls or do harmonica on the first date and damn their BJ was 1000% better in no time.

I used SA in London, Barcelona and France mostly successfully. A few times I met with a girl for dinner and intimacy just flowed. No talk of price I just took them on trips or helped with rent. One girl was a regular thing. Great girl 300 GBP for 4 hours drinking etc. Over months. I met a girl who was just on there for experiences not money. Far too gorgeous for words. Ended up living together for 15 months. She went insane but that's besides the point. Since its been very money orientated. A few in Barcelona beautiful, but straight up swx workers. But ask for 250 to 300 euros vs 500 plus pounds in London. Met a few for dinner, maybe 4, who didn't look like their pictures so politely said we shall meet up again perhaps. Was scammed at the beginning for gas money, visas etc. And learned my lesson. A lot are very to the point younger ones can be a bit beguiled an unsure what they want. Some flexible. Be very polite or they can easily get you permanently banned. Expect to send out 100 messages and get 20 to 30 responses at nost since they get so many messages. It's quick to decipher who is pleasant and not and quickly switch to WhatsApp. Telegram as mentioned is mostly for girls who rope you in and then only want to sell pics etc. I've had some really good experiences mostly. Just beware of the ones asking for money ranging from 150 to 500 just for a coffee or dinner. This is a new tact. I expect they take it and never intend to see you again. Likewise there are many girls who ask you to send them money or suchlike to see "if you are real" because rhey have had so many bad experiences with time wasters etx. Lots of scammers. Some genuine SBs looking for a 3 k a month allowance and to be treated like a princess, some undecided thrillseekers, and many working girls. Its addictive and exciting for sure. Even am friends with a few. One thing I did notice is that in Barcelona a large proportion are very real, very beautiful girls offering straight up sex services in comparison to London where the girls can choose for thousands of men offering them the world.

You can tell alot from a bio. The biggest hurdle is getting a response, and can tell if they haven't read your first, so I tend to follow up and then finally do get a response.

I tried secret benefits, but much fewer SBs an extortionate price structure and mostly bots. Got a refund even.

Anyway. My experiences.

I used SA in London and Barcelona znd France successfully. A few times I met with a girl for dinner and intimacy just flowed. No talk of price I just took them on trips or helped with rent. One girl was a regular thing. Great girl 300 GBP for 4 hours drinking etc. Over months. I met a girl who was just on there for experiences not money. Far too gorgeous for words. Ended up living together for 15 months. She went insane but that's besides the point. Since its been very money orientated. A few in Barcelona beautiful, but straight up swx workers. But ask for 250 to 300 euros vs 500 plus pounds in London. Met a few for dinner, maybe 4, who didn't look like their pictures so politely said we shall meet up again perhaps. Was scammed at the beginning for gas money, visas etc. And learned my lesson. A lot are very to the point younger ones can be a bit beguiled an unsure what they want. Some flexible. Be very polite or they can easily get you permanently banned. Expect to send out 100 messages and get 20 to 30 responses since they get so many messages. It's quick to decipher who is pleasant and not and quickly switch to WhatsApp. Telegram as mentioned is mostly for girls who rope you in and then only want to sell pics etc. I've had some really good experiences mostly. Just beware of the ones asking for money ranging from 150 to 500 just for a coffee or dinner. I expect they take it and never intend to see you again. Likewise there are many girls who ask you to send them money or suchlike to see "if you are real". Lots of scammers. Lots of genuine SBs looking for a 2 k a month allowance and to be treated like a princess, alot of undecided thrillseekers, and many working girls. Its addictive and exciting for sure. One thing I did notice is that in Barcelona a large proportion are very real, very beautiful girls offering straight up sex services in comparison to London where the girls can choose for thousands of men offering them the world.

You can tell alot from a bio. The biggest hurdle is getting a response, so I tend to follow up and then finally do.

I tried secret benefits, but much fewer SBs an extortionate price structure and mostly bots.

Have any of you had bad experiences with girls who stay overnight? I've been scammed before and am paranoid a girl would take my watch, computer, phone, passport, etc when I was sleeping. I had a good date with a girl in Paris who then stayed overnight but I was worried she'the run off with my bag or something.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2784037]Have any of you had bad experiences with girls who stay overnight? I've been scammed before and am paranoid a girl would take my watch, computer, phone, passport, etc when I was sleeping. I had a good date with a girl in Paris who then stayed overnight but I was worried she'the run off with my bag or something.[/QUOTE]I spent a weekend with a SA woman and her friend at a hotel and then a AirBnB outside of the city. I had seen her once alone and 2 times with her friend before on an earlier trip. My advice is don't spend a night with someone you haven't seen at least twice and even then, I would be very careful with who I choose and make sure you get a good vibe. The smart women will realize they have much more to gain in the long term than a quick robbery. Keep your valuables in a safe. If there's none, at least hide your passport.

During that weekend, I made all the reservations, set up the transportation, and got copies of their IDs.

I'm actually going on another getaway weekend in February with someone I met last month. I already have all her info.

I actually specifically try to get girls to sleep over in order to get more bang for my buck (pun very intended).

But I always mind the valuables.

In a hotel I use the safe. If there is no safe I always find a hiding place for cash and passport and electronics that is not the obvious ones (nightstand, etc). I often place it in high up places where even I need to drag a chair over to get to it. Think on top of the tallest furniture in the room.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2784056]I spent a weekend with a SA woman and her friend at a hotel and then a AirBnB outside of the city. I had seen her once alone and 2 times with her friend before on an earlier trip. My advice is don't spend a night with someone you haven't seen at least twice and even then, I would be very careful with who I choose and make sure you get a good vibe. The smart women will realize they have much more to gain in the long term than a quick robbery. Keep your valuables in a safe. If there's none, at least hide your passport.

During that weekend, I made all the reservations, set up the transportation, and got copies of their IDs.

I'm actually going on another getaway weekend in February with someone I met last month. I already have all her info.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2782449]
She has had sex with her BF only few times before she met me. She thought sex lasts only few minutes. When we went at it for 20/30 minutes of pounding, she had many orgasms. And at some point started to beg me for more. She told me she never thought sex can be so good.
[/QUOTE]One of the issues with seeing strippers and hookers is when you hear a woman say something like this, the instant reaction is that they are saying this to get more money. With this GFEfan, I have to say that I was with a married SB whose husband would get off in under a minute and she hated having sex with him. As I have gotten older, I can control when I cum so yeah, she would get on top and ride and ride. The married SB also had been recently raped and was fearful of being with anyone other than me and hubby. One time before we met, she told me that she had a dream about my dick. I was skeptical but then I asked myself, "Why would she lie? It is not like I am going to pay her more. ".

There were many times in a strip club a woman would claim to cum when she gave me a lap dance. Again, I was skeptical. Thing is they had that certain smell when they cum and with some women, it would have been an Academy Award performance if they had not. Still, what convinced me it was true was when the women refused to cum (I don't want to squirt) or got scared if I said I wanted to meet them outside of the club. They had fear was succumbing to having sex for money or with a customer which was against the stripper code.

Still, with regards to seeking unlike with hookers or strippers, I cannot recall ever having a woman exaggerate her sexual pleasure. Maybe it happened once, and I do not remember it, but I cannot recall a woman faking it or even thinking she was faking it.

Thing is if you are with someone long term you are going to figure it out. She will make getting money more the priority and pleasing you less. Looking back on things, I think I way underestimated how much pleasure the women were getting with sex and if your girl is faking it, and I doubt she is, then you will see it over time.

BTW, the average sex act is 9 minutes long, and 30% of the time guys have sex, they finish in under 3 minutes so what your gal said definitely could be true.

Every day I get like 5 favorites or reach outs from girls in Venezuela, and also quite a bit from Colombia.

Anyone know what the deal is? Is phishing American men like a cottage industry there? There's literally nothing in my profile that suggests I'm interested in meeting anyone from Venezuela.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2784321]Every day I get like 5 favorites or reach outs from girls in Venezuela, and also quite a bit from Colombia.

Anyone know what the deal is? Is phishing American men like a cottage industry there? There's literally nothing in my profile that suggests I'm interested in meeting anyone from Venezuela.[/QUOTE]I have a feeling those Venezuelan girls are bot scammers.

Always be careful when girls fave you first.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2784321]Every day I get like 5 favorites or reach outs from girls in Venezuela, and also quite a bit from Colombia.

Anyone know what the deal is? Is phishing American men like a cottage industry there? There's literally nothing in my profile that suggests I'm interested in meeting anyone from Venezuela.[/QUOTE]They are looking for you to send them money for nothing. Period. An American cannot go last I checked and even if you did, you would see prices are higher than they are for the Vennies in Colombia. If you are interested in Vennies, then head there. And Mexico and Panama have quite a few as well but they cost more. For whatever reason, the best looking Vennies I have ever seen did not live in Venezuela. I know guys are thinking prices are cheap there, but they are not. Even if you find one you liked and flew her out, airline ticket prices to and from Venezuela are ridiculous.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2784321]Every day I get like 5 favorites or reach outs from girls in Venezuela, and also quite a bit from Colombia.

Anyone know what the deal is? Is phishing American men like a cottage industry there? There's literally nothing in my profile that suggests I'm interested in meeting anyone from Venezuela.[/QUOTE]In my experience, if your location is not the same as theirs, I would classify it as SPAM and ignore. I have had SBs reach out to me and initiate the conversation, but each time that has happened, we have shared the same location. And the conversation starter is a bit on the shy side like you would expect from a non pro approaching a strange guy on a site that some chicks consider seedy at times. Just saying.

I'm actually about to gear up for a trip in the next couple weeks, so I'll be back in the Seeking world. I have a girl from Venezuela that I chatted with in Madrid and she literally just reached out like 2 days ago. I didn't keep the oven warm with her because I didn't know when I would be in Madrid again (and I hate to be considered a bullshitter). In the case of this chick, she hit me on Whatsapp, which I wouldn't consider SPAM, even though we have never met in person. We have chatted quite a bit, but last time I was in Madrid, Maria sucked up all my time (not a complaint), so I couldn't experience other SBs. This time around, I only told her about 2 days that I'll be in town, in order to have a bit of space. She is hot AF and intoxicating in the sheets, but I have more exploration to do (call me greedy). If not, I would suffer the same fate as before and not be able to sample the buffet.

02.

Trying seeking in bcn but thinking about sticking with pros. As someone else said, girls seem flaky or are straight to business. After I asked one about getting a drink she told me romantic or sexual dates were ok too LOL. One I had plans with cancelled, another asked if I was into any drugs. I blocked a promising looking one who seemed too eager to meet, asking what hotel I was at and her seeking profile is now deactivated. Felt like a scam.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2784321]Every day I get like 5 favorites or reach outs from girls in Venezuela, and also quite a bit from Colombia.

Anyone know what the deal is? Is phishing American men like a cottage industry there? There's literally nothing in my profile that suggests I'm interested in meeting anyone from Venezuela.[/QUOTE]Yes. That is why I am taking a break from SA. Its not worth the aggravation. I have already built up my stable of available women who like to fuk.

Just wondering the best thing to say to a woman from SA when you want a break. Really to try some other pussy because the sex is no good, boring, or some other problem they would not want to hear.

Sometimes I text them that I am short of money at the time. But expecting a big check to come in the next week. Or that I owe money in taxes and have to get that paid off immediately.

Other times I am more truthful and tell them I don't like it that they are aggressive about money, and I will get back to them when I am ready and interested.

Other ideas how to put them off temporarily and possibly start again after a few weeks?

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2785410]Just wondering the best thing to say to a woman from SA when you want a break. Really to try some other pussy because the sex is no good, boring, or some other problem they would not want to hear.

Sometimes I text them that I am short of money at the time. But expecting a big check to come in the next week. Or that I owe money in taxes and have to get that paid off immediately.

Other times I am more truthful and tell them I don't like it that they are aggressive about money, and I will get back to them when I am ready and interested.

Other ideas how to put them off temporarily and possibly start again after a few weeks?[/QUOTE]Just don't say anything. Real girls are much too busy to pester you. If she texts you don't answer. And they are millennials or gen z so they will never double text. Then text them when you are ready and if they need cash or like you they will forget you never answered.

I always smile when I see an SA girl advertising for a SD in his 20's or 30's. I mean, it's almost comical because us seasoned OGs know that most men in their 20's and 30's haven't achieved the kind of financial success where they can "spoil" (throw money at) girls. I would say it takes most men until they get into their 40's to 50's before they can really establish themselves financially (if in fact they ever get there). So when these babies do this (seek young daddies), they are setting themselves up for a lot of disappoint and failure (with lots of fakes, flakes, and wannabes) right off the bat by not being realistic in their. Now, that's not to say that there aren't any men in their 20's and 30's who are ready for real sugaring, but they would be the exception rather than the rule. Indeed, I've looked at a few studies on this, and the typical successful SD is in his 50's. Older men are the ones who have the money and disposable income. Not the younger men in their 20's and 30's.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2785447]Just don't say anything. Real girls are much too busy to pester you. If she texts you don't answer. And they are millennials or gen z so they will never double text. Then text them when you are ready and if they need cash or like you they will forget you never answered.[/QUOTE]Women usually say they lost their phone and had to get a new one, or they dropped their phone in the toilet and needed a new one, when they have left their current flame and he flamed out, and they need money!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2785452]I always smile when I see an SA girl advertising for a SD in his 20's or 30's. I mean, it's almost comical because us seasoned OGs know that most men in their 20's and 30's haven't achieved the kind of financial success where they can "spoil" (throw money at) girls. I would say it takes most men until they get into their 40's to 50's before they can really establish themselves financially (if in fact they ever get there). So when these babies do this (seek young daddies), they are setting themselves up for a lot of disappoint and failure (with lots of fakes, flakes, and wannabes) right off the bat by not being realistic in their. Now, that's not to say that there aren't any men in their 20's and 30's who are ready for real sugaring, but they would be the exception rather than the rule. Indeed, I've looked at a few studies on this, and the typical successful SD is in his 50's. Older men are the ones who have the money and disposable income. Not the younger men in their 20's and 30's.[/QUOTE]Let's face it a younger guy who has money (set-up by his family wealth and / or family connections) will have plenty of opportunities to have relationships with young girls. He's not going to need Seeking. There are plenty of attractive girls who will be able to smell money and make a play for a guy like this.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2784037]Have any of you had bad experiences with girls who stay overnight? I've been scammed before and am paranoid a girl would take my watch, computer, phone, passport, etc when I was sleeping. I had a good date with a girl in Paris who then stayed overnight but I was worried she'the run off with my bag or something.[/QUOTE]Not a bad experience with her staying over, but with the girl herself. I had her for two nights at my hotel and left multiple times for 2+ hours. She could clean me out if she wanted, but I didn't get the vibe that she would do that. This girl is a prude and the worst arrangement I had thus far. Always make sure you use the hotel safe and position yourself that she does not see the code you enter even though that doesn't fully stop anything because they can always call over Brad to take the whole safe. A few times I would turn around and she would be looking in my direction as I was locking the safe LOL.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2785410]Just wondering the best thing to say to a woman from SA when you want a break. Really to try some other pussy because the sex is no good, boring, or some other problem they would not want to hear.

Sometimes I text them that I am short of money at the time. But expecting a big check to come in the next week. Or that I owe money in taxes and have to get that paid off immediately.

Other times I am more truthful and tell them I don't like it that they are aggressive about money, and I will get back to them when I am ready and interested.

Other ideas how to put them off temporarily and possibly start again after a few weeks?[/QUOTE]You don't tell the girls money is tight, that's a lame excuse and unattractive. They are going to think you are homeless and can't pay for the service, its amazing they continue to text you after this you might be the only client. I advise to string them along with a different excuse besides being broke such as sorry out of town for the next 6 months until however long you want make up a better excuse. Who cares if you lie, girls lie all the time. Distance yourself and message them whenever you want, they'll be waiting for that money whenever you're ready. Do you have some kind of recurring agreement that you don't want? In that case they're expecting that income so you made a bad deal. If they drop you, then find a different provider there's more of them than there are of us.

Haha, exactly my opinion.

If they want a "daddy" they need to look for older guys not younger.

Guys in 20's and 30's will be sugar bros, not sugar daddy's.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2785452]I always smile when I see an SA girl advertising for a SD in his 20's or 30's. I mean, it's almost comical because us seasoned OGs know that most men in their 20's and 30's haven't achieved the kind of financial success where they can "spoil" (throw money at) girls. I would say it takes most men until they get into their 40's to 50's before they can really establish themselves financially (if in fact they ever get there). So when these babies do this (seek young daddies), they are setting themselves up for a lot of disappoint and failure (with lots of fakes, flakes, and wannabes) right off the bat by not being realistic in their. Now, that's not to say that there aren't any men in their 20's and 30's who are ready for real sugaring, but they would be the exception rather than the rule. Indeed, I've looked at a few studies on this, and the typical successful SD is in his 50's. Older men are the ones who have the money and disposable income. Not the younger men in their 20's and 30's.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nirec;2785573] sorry out of town for the next 6 months until however long you want make up a better excuse. Who cares if you lie, girls lie all the time. Distance yourself and message them whenever you want, they'll be waiting for that money whenever you're ready. [/QUOTE]I use this one regularly. If I'm cutting them off then after a few weeks new talent is migrated to the new new number and my old number gets disconnected.

I use a combination of whatsapp & whatsapp business to have the two numbers on the go during the cross over period.

[QUOTE=Pk099;2785638]Haha, exactly my opinion. If they want a "daddy" they need to look for older guys not younger. Guys in 20's and 30's will be sugar bros, not sugar daddy's.[/QUOTE]"Sugar brothers"! That made me literally LOL! LMAO!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2785686]"Sugar brothers"! That made me literally LOL! LMAO![/QUOTE]When I had to tell a SB that her allowance was finishing she called me a "salt daddy". Ouch.

[QUOTE=Nirec;2785573] Who cares if you lie, girls lie all the time. Distance yourself and message them whenever you want, they'll be waiting for that money whenever you're ready. Do you have some kind of recurring agreement that you don't want? In that case they're expecting that income so you made a bad deal. If they drop you, then find a different provider there's more of them than there are of us.[/QUOTE]Thats the SA way! Lie, lie, lie. Thats why I am not using their site for a few months.

Nobody is real anymore! No real phone numbers, they all are google voice or text messages. And nobody answers their phone anymore except the newbies. No real names, my name is Tom Cruise on that site, and my primary photo is of someone else, my photos are not verified.

I always do P4 P. Why would I give them a monthly stipend? They know how to drop / shortchange me after they get their monthly salary.

Last time I paid a monthly fuck salary the woman started being rude to me after she got her money for the month and would not want me taking a shower and using her towel after a fuck.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2785646]I use this one regularly. If I'm cutting them off then after a few weeks new talent is migrated to the new new number and my old number gets disconnected.

I use a combination of whatsapp & whatsapp business to have the two numbers on the go during the cross over period.[/QUOTE]Can I ask how you reset your number so frequently in WhatsApp? For me to do that with WhatsApp business, which by the way is a great way to have a second number, I had to buy an actual literal second phone.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2786004]Thats the SA way! Lie, lie, lie. Thats why I am not using their site for a few months.

Nobody is real anymore! No real phone numbers, they all are google voice or text messages. And nobody answers their phone anymore except the newbies. No real names, my name is Tom Cruise on that site, and my primary photo is of someone else, my photos are not verified.

I always do P4 P. Why would I give them a monthly stipend? They know how to drop / shortchange me after they get their monthly salary.

Last time I paid a monthly fuck salary the woman started being rude to me after she got her money for the month and would not want me taking a shower and using her towel after a fuck.[/QUOTE]I'll never give one of those "soft-core" SA tutes (or any kind of tute) a monthly "allowance". It's either pay-per-meet or gets to steppin'! LOL! Pay an allowance upfront and get dissed and dumped afterwards? I don't think so! I'm not desperate. No, it's more like to my favor. That would be "pump and dump" (mutual is fine) on a PPM basis exclusively. That way, we both have a shot at benefiting from the bargain. And if we both want to strike up a subsequent one fine. And if not, then that's fine too. But I'm not about to "keep" one of these unfaithful, money grubbing hoors. And in my opinion that's exactly what the overwhelming majority of them are too. P4 P (essentially what PPM is) rules!

One of the biggest mistakes that I made was rent an apartment for an SB. I know some guys that do this for their mistresses. But I now realize that it's too much of a committment for me. I was locked into a one-year lease. At first, I thought I got lucky with a great find. She was good looking and had a good body. She let me do whatever I wanted with her. She seemed to genuinely like me and liked doing the deed. It was great for about a month. But then, things soured. And getting out of that arrangement was a bit stressful. Never again.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2786038]I'll never give one of those "soft-core" SA tutes (or any kind of tute) a monthly "allowance". It's either pay-per-meet or gets to steppin'! LOL! Pay an allowance upfront and get dissed and dumped afterwards? I don't think so! I'm not desperate. No, it's more like to my favor. That would be "pump and dump" (mutual is fine) on a PPM basis exclusively. That way, we both have a shot at benefiting from the bargain. And if we both want to strike up a subsequent one fine. And if not, then that's fine too. But I'm not about to "keep" one of these unfaithful, money grubbing hoors. And in my opinion that's exactly what the overwhelming majority of them are too. P4 P (essentially what PPM is) rules![/QUOTE]

Yo!

Haven't been here in forever.

I've had lots of positive experiences on SA.

I was considering buying a small vibrator and butt plug to see if girls wanted to mess with it.

Has anyone ever brought toys out and had the girls successfully enjoy them?

Thought it could be fun in between rounds:).

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2786234]One of the biggest mistakes that I made was rent an apartment for an SB. I know some guys that do this for their mistresses. But I now realize that it's too much of a committment for me. I was locked into a one-year lease. At first, I thought I got lucky with a great find. She was good looking and had a good body. She let me do whatever I wanted with her. She seemed to genuinely like me and liked doing the deed. It was great for about a month. But then, things soured. And getting out of that arrangement was a bit stressful. Never again.[/QUOTE]I hope your name was not on the lease. Hope you had a key. Have heard of q woman calling the cops when the men try to have sex with her while they are living in his house, and the men go to jail!

(of course, that was her version.).

Only answer is to help a woman once a month with some of the rent, and make sure you are getting a mutually beneficial return out of it!

Women can be sneaky, conniving, little shits. And often the men are the ones who go to jail, never do the women! Most cops are women sensitive and believe their side of the facts, and do not like a man who pays for sex, the cops have envy, jealously, etc. Because cops get paid so little.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2786013]Can I ask how you reset your number so frequently in WhatsApp? For me to do that with WhatsApp business, which by the way is a great way to have a second number, I had to buy an actual literal second phone.[/QUOTE]For me I have an unlocked phone. I buy a prepaid sim starter pack from my local supermarket in Australia. Cost $5. I register the sim.

For Whatsapp I delete the old account which allows the app to accept a new number.

If I want to keep the old whatsapp number, I delete the app without deleting the number. Reinstall the app and then register the app to the new number. Now I am using the new number.

The SIM I buy gives me $5 365 credit for using it. I will use that booking massages shop visits.

As a reminder for everyone, always use a burner number with SA.

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2786421]Yo!

Haven't been here in forever.

I've had lots of positive experiences on SA.

I was considering buying a small vibrator and butt plug to see if girls wanted to mess with it.

Has anyone ever brought toys out and had the girls successfully enjoy them?

Thought it could be fun in between rounds:).[/QUOTE]Yes, highly recommended. I have used a small vibrator on my girl as I pumped her and placed it on her clitoris where her g-spot happens to be, it drove her literally crazy. It brings our sexual experience to the next level. She will be down to any kind of fantasy that you desire at this point. I have never tried the butt plug though. But my girl is definitely into blindfold and (light) spanking on the butt. She never realized that she enjoyed them a lot until she tried. More like 50 shades of gray stuff. Go figure, LOL.

Stay away from EnchantingGurl.

Unable to share the profile link as she blocked me.

Asking for 5 k advance for shopping before meet.

Tg user: at lmaodivya.

Perhaps biased view here.

US SA is not great. Too many too weed out. More money-money-money minded, transactional, sense of entitled women here than in Europe. Not saying all those girls are that way but just the frequency of those entitled sluts in US is annoying.

I had much much better life in EU. Why the F did I move!

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2787515]Perhaps biased view here.

US SA is not great. Too many too weed out. More money-money-money minded, transactional, sense of entitled women here than in Europe. Not saying all those girls are that way but just the frequency of those entitled sluts in US is annoying.

I had much much better life in EU. Why the F did I move![/QUOTE]Totally. I game hard in Europe. Every day stacked with a new girl. In LA, nada. It's hard to close deals.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2786038]I'll never give one of those "soft-core" SA tutes (or any kind of tute) a monthly "allowance". It's either pay-per-meet or gets to steppin'! LOL! Pay an allowance upfront and get dissed and dumped afterwards? I don't think so! I'm not desperate. No, it's more like to my favor. That would be "pump and dump" (mutual is fine) on a PPM basis exclusively. That way, we both have a shot at benefiting from the bargain. And if we both want to strike up a subsequent one fine. And if not, then that's fine too. But I'm not about to "keep" one of these unfaithful, money grubbing hoors. And in my opinion that's exactly what the overwhelming majority of them are too. P4 P (essentially what PPM is) rules![/QUOTE]Yep, stick with the PPM in the states. Maybe, after several months and no there is no drama or substance abuse.

I left Medellin about 3 weeks ago, with two sugar babies with allowances, one for her entire expenses and another just for her rent. This allowance model seems to be what the girls here want, namely stability and the opportunity for a better life. The girl I give a full allowance to used it to move to a new apartment, closer to her university and out of her grandparents' house. I love it because she responds to my messages immediately and is available to talk whenever, and similarly available to travel. The monthly cost for a 23 year old former beauty pageant contestant? About $1400.

I've been in São Paulo for about 3 weeks, and have found a super fit 25 year old who just moved to the city from the Northeast of Brazil 2 weeks ago. As much as I enjoy my Colombianas, the optics on the Brazilians are incredible and girls from the north of the country are very affectionate. (The southerners seem to be more into rougher sex, which is not my thing, almost like a continuum with Buenos Aires being the roughest end of that spectrum.) Great optics and high affection is a deadly combo for me, so I'll likely provide her either with rent or a full allowance to keep her locked down for when I'm back to Brazil from Medellin in 4 weeks.

Regarding the earlier sugar daddy vs sugar bro discussion, I'm in my mid 30's, and I know I'll have too much money to spend before I die if I keep working so I'd rather start spending it now on girls who know how to return the affection back. I'm not into fancy apartments, clothes, cars or other luxury goods. When I die, I genuinely think I'll be happy I spent my money helping others I care about live better lives.

One nagging thought is whether I'd like Rio more than São Paulo, because it should be more relaxed. Found some girls with decent optics there so I think I'll have to confirm my theory that they will be on the more affectionate end of the spectrum. I think I'll have to at least spend 1 long weekend there on my trip back to Brazil.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2788948]Regarding the earlier sugar daddy vs sugar bro discussion, I'm in my mid 30's, and I know I'll have too much money to spend before I die if I keep working so I'd rather start spending it now on girls who know how to return the affection back. I'm not into fancy apartments, clothes, cars or other luxury goods. When I die, I genuinely think I'll be happy I spent my money helping others I care about live better lives.[/QUOTE]I hope it's all good while it all lasts bro. You sound like a buddy of mine. I Ted Ferguson, being of sound mind and body, spent every last penny I had! LOL!

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2788948]I left Medellin about 3 weeks ago, with two sugar babies with allowances, one for her entire expenses and another just for her rent. This allowance model seems to be what the girls here want, namely stability and the opportunity for a better life. The girl I give a full allowance to used it to move to a new apartment, closer to her university and out of her grandparents' house. I love it because she responds to my messages immediately and is available to talk whenever, and similarly available to travel. The monthly cost for a 23 year old former beauty pageant contestant? About $1400.

I've been in So Paulo for about 3 weeks, and have found a super fit 25 year old who just moved to the city from the Northeast of Brazil 2 weeks ago. As much as I enjoy my Colombianas, the optics on the Brazilians are incredible and girls from the north of the country are very affectionate. (The southerners seem to be more into rougher sex, which is not my thing, almost like a continuum with Buenos Aires being the roughest end of that spectrum.) Great optics and high affection is a deadly combo for me, so I'll likely provide her either with rent or a full allowance to keep her locked down for when I'm back to Brazil from Medellin in 4 weeks.

Regarding the earlier sugar daddy vs sugar bro discussion, I'm in my mid 30's, and I know I'll have too much money to spend before I die if I keep working so I'd rather start spending it now on girls who know how to return the affection back. I'm not into fancy apartments, clothes, cars or other luxury goods. When I die, I genuinely think I'll be happy I spent my money helping others I care about live better lives.

One nagging thought is whether I'd like Rio more than So Paulo, because it should be more relaxed. Found some girls with decent optics there so I think I'll have to confirm my theory that they will be on the more affectionate end of the spectrum. I think I'll have to at least spend 1 long weekend there on my trip back to Brazil.[/QUOTE]I provide a similar allowance to a Thai girl. I'm going on month no. 6 now. A couple of questions:

1) Did you and the girls agree to a term, I. E. , allowance will be provided for 1 year?

2) Since endung the allowance would be a significant impact to their personal lives, how would you end their allowance?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2788949]I hope it's all good while it all lasts bro. You sound like a buddy of mine. I Ted Ferguson, being of sound mind and body, spent every last penny I had! LOL![/QUOTE]Funny you should mention that. If I can find a way to do it there are at least two girls I've been very close with on Seeking and would easily give them $10,000 upon my demise. They are just quality humans and I feel fortunate to have crossed paths with them, let alone in such an intimate way! Sorta independent of when even. Like 10 or 20 years from now. But prob tough to execute both in terms of will and staying in touch. But it says something about the quality of the girls you can find. Yes I am talking about only 4% of the girls I've dated. But still it says something I think. I'm not leaving a dime to any pro girl nor the other 96% (well another borderline one).

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2789182]Funny you should mention that. If I can find a way to do it there are at least two girls I've been very close with on Seeking and would easily give them $10,000 upon my demise. They are just quality humans and I feel fortunate to have crossed paths with them, let alone in such an intimate way! Sorta independent of when even. Like 10 or 20 years from now. But prob tough to execute both in terms of will and staying in touch. But it says something about the quality of the girls you can find. Yes I am talking about only 4% of the girls I've dated. But still it says something I think. I'm not leaving a dime to any pro girl nor the other 96% (well another borderline one).[/QUOTE]Yeah, I am tired of this. There have been a few women I saw too that were totally trustworthy. 96% is not the same as 100%.

On the borderline part, I got fooled a lot in the past. The main thing guys need to know is when they argue about something completely absurd. One borderline was convinced that her baby's autism was due to the father. When I said the cause of autism is unknown, she got mad and crazy. She screamed, "It is his fault he is autistic. What is wrong with you?" The instinct is to run from crazy which means the borderline feels even worse as you are abandoning them. What I know now is challenging borderlines on facts like what causes autism is totally wrong. When you have a woman like this, you say nothing and leave. Arguing with them works to their advantage. Their goal is to show the world they are not crazy, and you are.

And leaving is what most often makes them crazy. I had one woman, a super hot Mexican lawyer, go down to a bar late at night alone. I said I did not feel like going but she was free to go on her own. An hour later, she returns and says frantically, "You left me at the bar!" Borderlines are freaked out about abandonment. If you have a woman freak out about that, then just leave. A friend of mine said she thought the Mexican lawyer was borderline, and I realized she was right. As soon as I realized that, I axed that women from my life and never saw her again.

FWIW, I think borderlines are above average attractive and above average in bed. They also can swoon over your words and put you on a pedestal and because of all this, they can be very attractive to us men and suck us into their crazy.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2789182]Funny you should mention that. If I can find a way to do it there are at least two girls I've been very close with on Seeking and would easily give them $10,000 upon my demise. They are just quality humans and I feel fortunate to have crossed paths with them, let alone in such an intimate way! Sorta independent of when even. Like 10 or 20 years from now. But prob tough to execute both in terms of will and staying in touch. But it says something about the quality of the girls you can find. Yes I am talking about only 4% of the girls I've dated. But still it says something I think. I'm not leaving a dime to any pro girl nor the other 96% (well another borderline one).[/QUOTE]Just make sure you don't tell those quality individuals who you think should get 10 K upon your demise or they might develop some 'crazy' idea to earn it before it's due time. JK.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2789182]...Like 10 or 20 years from now. ....[/QUOTE]Something to think about, why wait?

Logged into my burner email for old time sake. Also peeked to see if SA was doing their usually % off re-subbing sales for V-Day. Unlike past years, their push instead was bonus starter pack by cloning your account into their other brand WhatsYourPrice.

Never heard of it before these emails, did some research (some).

Exact same company anyone know if they're merging the two monikers and phasing out the SA name?

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2789646]Logged into my burner email for old time sake. Also peeked to see if SA was doing their usually % off re-subbing sales for V-Day. Unlike past years, their push instead was bonus starter pack by cloning your account into their other brand WhatsYourPrice.

Never heard of it before these emails, did some research (some).

Exact same company anyone know if they're merging the two monikers and phasing out the SA name?[/QUOTE]On Valentines Day SA offered me 33% off on a 90-day premium package. I declined. They routinely offer me 20% to 25% off.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2789646]Logged into my burner email for old time sake. Also peeked to see if SA was doing their usually % off re-subbing sales for V-Day. Unlike past years, their push instead was bonus starter pack by cloning your account into their other brand WhatsYourPrice.

Never heard of it before these emails, did some research (some).

Exact same company anyone know if they're merging the two monikers and phasing out the SA name?[/QUOTE]No. What's your price has been around for a while. I tried it but didn't really get very far. Seeking is way more successful so I don't see them messing w that.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2789195]Yeah, I am tired of this. There have been a few women I saw too that were totally trustworthy. 96% is not the same as 100%.

On the borderline part, I got fooled a lot in the past. The main thing guys need to know is when they argue about something completely absurd. One borderline was convinced that her baby's autism was due to the father. When I said the cause of autism is unknown, she got mad and crazy. She screamed, "It is his fault he is autistic. What is wrong with you?" The instinct is to run from crazy which means the borderline feels even worse as you are abandoning them. What I know now is challenging borderlines on facts like what causes autism is totally wrong. When you have a woman like this, you say nothing and leave. Arguing with them works to their advantage. Their goal is to show the world they are not crazy, and you are.

And leaving is what most often makes them crazy. I had one woman, a super hot Mexican lawyer, go down to a bar late at night alone. I said I did not feel like going but she was free to go on her own. An hour later, she returns and says frantically, "You left me at the bar!" Borderlines are freaked out about abandonment. If you have a woman freak out about that, then just leave. A friend of mine said she thought the Mexican lawyer was borderline, and I realized she was right. As soon as I realized that, I axed that women from my life and never saw her again.

FWIW, I think borderlines are above average attractive and above average in bed. They also can swoon over your words and put you on a pedestal and because of all this, they can be very attractive to us men and suck us into their crazy.[/QUOTE]I haven't met a woman yet who took any responsibility for their past relationships going bad. It was always the man's fault. But then I go out with them for just two weeks and see all kinds of things they do wrong to ruin a relationship and drive men away! "Borderlines" is right. I found something much better. Combining my love of international travel with tapping foreign ass abroad! Yes sir!

So my membership expired 2 days back and now suddenly I have 10+ messages from girls around me and SA wants me to Upgrade.

Why SA thinks we are stupid to Upgrade by seeing 10 messages.

Reminds me of a old flame (2013) back when I did not know SA.

Dated this American girl for three months. Above average looks, excellent in bed, gets wet within minutes of whenever I had a hardon. We even fucked on a beach (I think public sex is demeanor). All goes well.

She keeps saying she is an independent woman, wants to bring things to the table blah. Blah.

I see signs of gold digging but I go along given the amazing sex and other swooning over me (like my dusky appearance, loves my sports involvement).

I had two tickets for a concert but was traveling. Gave it to my client (relationship building).

She calls me when I was in another town, asks for tickets to go with her "friend". I say I gave it to my client. She starts yelling at me as if I hurt a child.

I quietly hang up, return to town few days later, dropped off her stuff at her front door with a note "You say you are an independent woman. You shouldn't need me to buy tickets for concerts". Boom. Another round of yelling on phone. A week later, tries to patch up but I stayed away.

Looking back, I did the right thing for myself. But, I admit, every once a while I think I should have broken up softer and kept her as a bootycall. The sex was amazing. Beach, shower, kitchen counter, parks, lake, parking lot, laundry. Name a place. We have fucked there most likely. All CIP. As she was on control. I do miss that sex but not the craziness.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2789195]Yeah, I am tired of this. There have been a few women I saw too that were totally trustworthy. 96% is not the same as 100%.

On the borderline part, I got fooled a lot in the past. The main thing guys need to know is when they argue about something completely absurd. One borderline was convinced that her baby's autism was due to the father. When I said the cause of autism is unknown, she got mad and crazy. She screamed, "It is his fault he is autistic. What is wrong with you?" The instinct is to run from crazy which means the borderline feels even worse as you are abandoning them. What I know now is challenging borderlines on facts like what causes autism is totally wrong. When you have a woman like this, you say nothing and leave. Arguing with them works to their advantage. Their goal is to show the world they are not crazy, and you are.

And leaving is what most often makes them crazy. I had one woman, a super hot Mexican lawyer, go down to a bar late at night alone. I said I did not feel like going but she was free to go on her own. An hour later, she returns and says frantically, "You left me at the bar!" Borderlines are freaked out about abandonment. If you have a woman freak out about that, then just leave. A friend of mine said she thought the Mexican lawyer was borderline, and I realized she was right. As soon as I realized that, I axed that women from my life and never saw her again.

FWIW, I think borderlines are above average attractive and above average in bed. They also can swoon over your words and put you on a pedestal and because of all this, they can be very attractive to us men and suck us into their crazy.[/QUOTE]

I have two in Europe. One in Netherlands and another in Spain. I would do that for. Amazing humans. Lovely girls. Just that naivety and innate ability to truat and see the good side of the world. There are couple more nice ones but they are poor in money management that they would waste whatever I give them.

4% overall sounds about right. But, unfortunately, none yet in the US. Girls are so materialistic here. Well, who am I to complain while I am on SA being pussyalistic! What goes around, comes around.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2789182]Funny you should mention that. If I can find a way to do it there are at least two girls I've been very close with on Seeking and would easily give them $10,000 upon my demise. They are just quality humans and I feel fortunate to have crossed paths with them, let alone in such an intimate way! Sorta independent of when even. Like 10 or 20 years from now. But prob tough to execute both in terms of will and staying in touch. But it says something about the quality of the girls you can find. Yes I am talking about only 4% of the girls I've dated. But still it says something I think. I'm not leaving a dime to any pro girl nor the other 96% (well another borderline one).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2789828]I have two in Europe. One in Netherlands and another in Spain. I would do that for. Amazing humans. Lovely girls. Just that naivety and innate ability to truat and see the good side of the world. There are couple more nice ones but they are poor in money management that they would waste whatever I give them.

4% overall sounds about right. But, unfortunately, none yet in the US. Girls are so materialistic here. Well, who am I to complain while I am on SA being pussyalistic! What goes around, comes around.[/QUOTE]Both mine are US based surprisingly. Tho to be fair acquired some time ago. Alexa — Las Vegas of all places — from Dec 2019 — she's in tech customer support and makes candles and soaps on Etsy. And Shayla my current girl — from Jan 2022 and going strong. She's a chemist (no not meth!) and gaming enthusiast. Both these girls fit the "regular girl but with a spicy side" mold. Sue in London was brilliant while it lasted but she got boring and Kayla in Miami was same. They wouldn't quite make the cut but nice girls nonetheless.

P.S. I think DramaFree has been working the CDMX seeking game but now found some stateside. It's all right place right time. Nice girls don't stay on there long.

Just told another "race horse" that she could either accept $400 a PPM or go back on the site for the $500 she thinks she is worth. She agreed to continue at $400 PPM. Women are constantly trying to re-negotiate their terms, thinking they are worth more than they are. I have 2 others that would take her place for less, although I did not tell her about my other girls in my stable.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2789851]Just told another "race horse" that she could either accept $400 a PPM or go back on the site for the $500 she thinks she is worth. She agreed to continue at $400 PPM. Women are constantly trying to re-negotiate their terms, thinking they are worth more than they are. I have 2 others that would take her place for less, although I did not tell her about my other girls in my stable.[/QUOTE]After I have been with someone a bunch of times, I sometimes tell them that I lost my job and I cannot see them anymore or as much. Sometimes, the girl has become so comfortable with me that they continue seeing me for free (but on occasion, I may still help them out). Doesn't last that long though, because eventually they need the money. I only do this with gals that I am okay with never seeing again.

Perhaps the greatest that I ever had was with a totally crazy pyscho *****. Wow she was fantastic in the sack. I wonder if there is a causality. I have been with other crazies that were also very good in the sack.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2789195]Yeah, I am tired of this. There have been a few women I saw too that were totally trustworthy. 96% is not the same as 100%.

On the borderline part, I got fooled a lot in the past. The main thing guys need to know is when they argue about something completely absurd. One borderline was convinced that her baby's autism was due to the father. When I said the cause of autism is unknown, she got mad and crazy. She screamed, "It is his fault he is autistic. What is wrong with you?" The instinct is to run from crazy which means the borderline feels even worse as you are abandoning them. What I know now is challenging borderlines on facts like what causes autism is totally wrong. When you have a woman like this, you say nothing and leave. Arguing with them works to their advantage. Their goal is to show the world they are not crazy, and you are.

And leaving is what most often makes them crazy. I had one woman, a super hot Mexican lawyer, go down to a bar late at night alone. I said I did not feel like going but she was free to go on her own. An hour later, she returns and says frantically, "You left me at the bar!" Borderlines are freaked out about abandonment. If you have a woman freak out about that, then just leave. A friend of mine said she thought the Mexican lawyer was borderline, and I realized she was right. As soon as I realized that, I axed that women from my life and never saw her again.

FWIW, I think borderlines are above average attractive and above average in bed. They also can swoon over your words and put you on a pedestal and because of all this, they can be very attractive to us men and suck us into their crazy.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2790928]After I have been with someone a bunch of times, I sometimes tell them that I lost my job and I cannot see them anymore or as much. Sometimes, the girl has become so comfortable with me that they continue seeing me for free (but on occasion, I may still help them out). Doesn't last that long though, because eventually they need the money. I only do this with gals that I am okay with never seeing again.[/QUOTE]Holy crap that's diabolical and brilliant.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2791040]Holy crap that's diabolical and brilliant.[/QUOTE]Funny, I have used that same exact strategy before. I was paying for the rent of this visiting South American student! Told her I was losing my job and couldn't afford that short stay luxury apartment I was paying for. So she offered to move in! Haha. She stayed for 5 more months before her visa expired and she returned home.

[QUOTE=FishMongerC;2791894]Funny, I have used that same exact strategy before. I was paying for the rent of this visiting South American student! Told her I was losing my job and couldn't afford that short stay luxury apartment I was paying for. So she offered to move in! Haha. She stayed for 5 more months before her visa expired and she returned home.[/QUOTE]I was on Reddit the other day reading a thread among sugar babies.

One girl mentioned she was offered a situation where she moved in and does all the household Maintnenance. Pick up the kids, do the shopping, etc. Plus intimacy of course.

Guy offered her 80-100 k a year.

The thread totally shot that down. Sour sloots. Said things like those are each 75 k / year jobs so you should be getting 75 x5 k.

Besides the fact that's a stupid argument, I actually thought it was a pretty good deal.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2792298]I was on Reddit the other day reading a thread among sugar babies.

One girl mentioned she was offered a situation where she moved in and does all the household Maintnenance. Pick up the kids, do the shopping, etc. Plus intimacy of course.

Guy offered her 80-100 k a year.

The thread totally shot that down. Sour sloots. Said things like those are each 75 k / year jobs so you should be getting 75 x5 k.

Besides the fact that's a stupid argument, I actually thought it was a pretty good deal.[/QUOTE]I actually met someone who claimed she had a friend enter into a similar agreement. She described her friend as getting scammed. Since there was no contract, she had nothing legally binding. While he did give her money, it wasn't even half that claimed. Meanwhile her friend was trapped, she had given up her own place of residence so was trapped there until she found the means to get out. She stayed with him for about 1 month before realizing it wasn't living up to her expectations.

I think 80 k - 100 k a year is a pretty good deal for the girl, especially if tax free. Even better deal for the guy tho!! At my peak I was paying out about 2 K a week anyway for a few months.

Here's some up-to-date guidance. Take it for what it's worth and use it (or not) as you see fit:

[URL]https://sugar-place.com/daddy-guides/sugar-baby-allowance/[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2792974]Here's some up-to-date guidance. Take it for what it's worth and use it (or not) as you see fit:

[URL]https://sugar-place.com/daddy-guides/sugar-baby-allowance/[/URL][/QUOTE]I appreciate your sharing, but I'm suspicious about the contact on that site. Totally understand you're not the one who wrote it.

It says in LA typical monthly is 5500/ mo but PPM is more like 500-1000? Doesn't make sense. Monthly is an awful deal then.

Also rates the different sites and Seeking is not mentioned at all? Not at all? The 800 lb gorilla? This seems clearly written by a competitor of theirs.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2793080]I appreciate your sharing, but I'm suspicious about the contact on that site. Totally understand you're not the one who wrote it.

It says in LA typical monthly is 5500/ mo but PPM is more like 500-1000? Doesn't make sense. Monthly is an awful deal then.

Also rates the different sites and Seeking is not mentioned at all? Not at all? The 800 lb gorilla? This seems clearly written by a competitor of theirs.[/QUOTE]That's why I said take it for what it's worth and use it as you see fit. Just one measuring stick.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2792298]Said things like those are each 75 k / year jobs so you should be getting 75 x5 k.

Besides the fact that's a stupid argument,[/QUOTE]I agree. The Golden pussy syndrome in the USA is out of control.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2792298]I was on Reddit the other day reading a thread among sugar babies.

One girl mentioned she was offered a situation where she moved in and does all the household Maintnenance. Pick up the kids, do the shopping, etc. Plus intimacy of course.

Guy offered her 80-100 k a year.
I actually thought it was a pretty good deal.[/QUOTE]Financially, I agree, but I have mixed business and pleasure, and it really does not work. Once a woman is fucking you, she honestly does not think that she is required to do anything else. Guys need to separate their sex life from their home life IMO.

I think you get a nanny / maid and a sugar baby and keep it separate.

But really the best deal is having a job where you can work remotely or travel abroad and have such a set up for 1/5 the price. Granted, you have to work out the kids issue so maybe a nanny here and SB abroad.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2792974]Here's some up-to-date guidance. Take it for what it's worth and use it (or not) as you see fit:

[URL]https://sugar-place.com/daddy-guides/sugar-baby-allowance/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the link. Depends on if the fuck is any good. I have one now who is a dead fish and only wants me to satisfy her. Going to fail to respond to her.

Standard (4-6 hours).

All above mentioned.

Sexual interaction.

$400-$700 $250-$500.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2792974]Here's some up-to-date guidance. Take it for what it's worth and use it (or not) as you see fit:

[URL]https://sugar-place.com/daddy-guides/sugar-baby-allowance/[/URL][/QUOTE]Written as click bait to garner the attention of female readers.

There is no such thing as a standard or average price. It's just too variable to to what a girl will do.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2774610]I used SA in CDMX and it had great success.

[/QUOTE]I tried PMing you but your inbox is full and it says you need to delete messages to receive more. What rates were you paying in CDMX? I am going this month and have started messaging girls. I need an idea of what I should be paying.

Anybody know rates in CDMX?

What's up, fuckers?! LOL.

After spending 1. 5 months in Medellin, I travelled to Istanbul, Turkey to undergo 2 medical procedures, and also, to check out local SA scene. I have scored 3 girls, 2 from Belarus and 1 from Turkey, all 3 have been great, 2 of them were BBFS. The going rates here are all over the place, starting from 300 USD to over a grand. Tons of hot women (model types) from Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, but it is a bit difficult to compete with rich Arabs who pay top dollar. Also, coming from Colombia, makes it difficult to accept those rates, but makes me appreciate Colombian pussy even more LOL. I was actually surprised to see so many decent looking local girls, as I always thought that Turkish women, along with Arabs, are not the best looking. Turkey, and Istanbul specifically, is a huge melting pot of cultures, races, etc and therefore you can find unique mixes here, like, Russian-Turkish, Ukrainian-Iranian, etc. I love the city, the food is great, lots of things to see and to do besides mongering, even though the weather is not the best this time of the year. Hope to fuck a couple more girls once I recover from the surgeries before heading back home.

Cheers!

Do not underestimate the Turkish women.

One of my SBs in Germany was Turkish but she gave the best head and more importantly, unsatiable sexual appetite. Always wet she moved back to Istanbul.

Enjoy them.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2795793]What's up, fuckers?! LOL.

After spending 1. 5 months in Medellin, I travelled to Istanbul, Turkey to undergo 2 medical procedures, and also, to check out local SA scene. I have scored 3 girls, 2 from Belarus and 1 from Turkey, all 3 have been great, 2 of them were BBFS. The going rates here are all over the place, starting from 300 USD to over a grand. Tons of hot women (model types) from Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, but it is a bit difficult to compete with rich Arabs who pay top dollar. Also, coming from Colombia, makes it difficult to accept those rates, but makes me appreciate Colombian pussy even more LOL. I was actually surprised to see so many decent looking local girls, as I always thought that Turkish women, along with Arabs, are not the best looking. Turkey, and Istanbul specifically, is a huge melting pot of cultures, races, etc and therefore you can find unique mixes here, like, Russian-Turkish, Ukrainian-Iranian, etc. I love the city, the food is great, lots of things to see and to do besides mongering, even though the weather is not the best this time of the year. Hope to fuck a couple more girls once I recover from the surgeries before heading back home.

Cheers![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2795793]What's up, fuckers?! LOL.

After spending 1. 5 months in Medellin, I travelled to Istanbul, Turkey to undergo 2 medical procedures, and also, to check out local SA scene. I have scored 3 girls, 2 from Belarus and 1 from Turkey, all 3 have been great, 2 of them were BBFS. The going rates here are all over the place, starting from 300 USD to over a grand. Tons of hot women (model types) from Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, but it is a bit difficult to compete with rich Arabs who pay top dollar. Also, coming from Colombia, makes it difficult to accept those rates, but makes me appreciate Colombian pussy even more LOL. I was actually surprised to see so many decent looking local girls, as I always thought that Turkish women, along with Arabs, are not the best looking. Turkey, and Istanbul specifically, is a huge melting pot of cultures, races, etc and therefore you can find unique mixes here, like, Russian-Turkish, Ukrainian-Iranian, etc. I love the city, the food is great, lots of things to see and to do besides mongering, even though the weather is not the best this time of the year. Hope to fuck a couple more girls once I recover from the surgeries before heading back home.[/QUOTE]Sexual medical tourism! Haha! I had a Belorussian girl at Oase in the Frankfurt, Germany area. Fucked her in her blonde, bright pink arsehole over two sessions, among other things. Had an interest in going to Minsk after that but know that's not a good idea. At least not now!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2795793]What's up, fuckers?! LOL.

After spending 1. 5 months in Medellin, I travelled to Istanbul, Turkey to undergo 2 medical procedures, and also, to check out local SA scene. I have scored 3 girls, 2 from Belarus and 1 from Turkey, all 3 have been great, 2 of them were BBFS. The going rates here are all over the place, starting from 300 USD to over a grand. Tons of hot women (model types) from Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, but it is a bit difficult to compete with rich Arabs who pay top dollar. Also, coming from Colombia, makes it difficult to accept those rates, but makes me appreciate Colombian pussy even more LOL. I was actually surprised to see so many decent looking local girls, as I always thought that Turkish women, along with Arabs, are not the best looking. Turkey, and Istanbul specifically, is a huge melting pot of cultures, races, etc and therefore you can find unique mixes here, like, Russian-Turkish, Ukrainian-Iranian, etc. I love the city, the food is great, lots of things to see and to do besides mongering, even though the weather is not the best this time of the year. Hope to fuck a couple more girls once I recover from the surgeries before heading back home.

Cheers![/QUOTE]These prices are especially shocking when you think about how inexpensive Türkiye is in that $300 is easily enough to live on for a month or at least 2 to 3 weeks, and it's not like Colombia where to live on that budget you have to live in a dangerous or dodgy area.

[QUOTE=Clone8884;2795662]I tried PMing you but your inbox is full and it says you need to delete messages to receive more. What rates were you paying in CDMX? I am going this month and have started messaging girls. I need an idea of what I should be paying.

Anybody know rates in CDMX?[/QUOTE]5000 pesos give or take 1000 is considered generous. Like you can go lower and easily get away with it. But 5000 will be considered quite good for an evening together.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2795944]These prices are especially shocking when you think about how inexpensive Trkiye is in that $300 is easily enough to live on for a month or at least 2 to 3 weeks, and it's not like Colombia where to live on that budget you have to live in a dangerous or dodgy area.[/QUOTE]Exactly. And they won't even budge. An account in Turkey earns about 800 USD a month, an engineer. Around $1100, a waiter -$300. My understanding is that seeking girls cater to foreigners only. And there are plenty of foreigners with money down there. Also, even though prostitution is legal, p4 p options are extremely limited since it is a muslim country.

Working on a cute 18 in LA. Girl says she's gotten burned before by showing up to a date and a guy not paying. So to make sure there's at least some money changing hands, she insists on sending cash via Cash app in exchange for photos and then wiling to meet.

This is obviously against my better judgment. I know the obvious answer is to not send anything before meeting. But it's only 50 bucks. My bigger concern is whether this is a front for some sort of insidious scam. Like this is the first part of a catphishing or something. I can lose the 50 bucks. But I don't want to end up on a newspaper.

Anyone know? Is this some common scam I'm about to fall for?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2796148]Working on a cute 18 in LA. Girl says she's gotten burned before by showing up to a date and a guy not paying. So to make sure there's at least some money changing hands, she insists on sending cash via Cash app in exchange for photos and then wiling to meet.

This is obviously against my better judgment. I know the obvious answer is to not send anything before meeting. But it's only 50 bucks. My bigger concern is whether this is a front for some sort of insidious scam. Like this is the first part of a catphishing or something. I can lose the 50 bucks. But I don't want to end up on a newspaper.

Anyone know? Is this some common scam I'm about to fall for?[/QUOTE]Just say no. Some want Zelle, then they get your banking information.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2796148]Working on a cute 18 in LA. Girl says she's gotten burned before by showing up to a date and a guy not paying. So to make sure there's at least some money changing hands, she insists on sending cash via Cash app in exchange for photos and then wiling to meet.

This is obviously against my better judgment. I know the obvious answer is to not send anything before meeting. But it's only 50 bucks. My bigger concern is whether this is a front for some sort of insidious scam. Like this is the first part of a catphishing or something. I can lose the 50 bucks. But I don't want to end up on a newspaper.

Anyone know? Is this some common scam I'm about to fall for?[/QUOTE]Absolutely a scam. Do not do it.

Instead insist to her that you will provide her with cash upon meeting to cover her "uber cost" but only when meeting in person. And if you do meet, and you like her, immediately give her a crisp $50 bill to show you measure of good faith.

If she is reluctant to meet, it means her initial plan was to scam you anyway. But if you sense there is an opportunity to meet, talk to her on the phone or video and convince her you will pay for her uber only upon meeting up.

Cashapp is an absolute scam.

Happened to me before, almost exact same story. I really don't care about the money ($100 in my case). I think of it as an ante. You need to put up to be in the game. Most hands are garbage and you fold before the end. The more antes you're in the better chance you'll score.

With that said, I have been very successful with what I want from SA and I prefer one high quality girl at a time rather than a stable and none of my long term girls never asked for anything upfront before a meet. None of them have ever asked to be paid for a first meet either. I should learn from my own experiences but the money is so small I don't care.

So yes it's a scam but no you won't end up a newspaper story. It's a hussle run by a teenager, not the mob.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2796148]Working on a cute 18 in LA. Girl says she's gotten burned before by showing up to a date and a guy not paying. So to make sure there's at least some money changing hands, she insists on sending cash via Cash app in exchange for photos and then wiling to meet.

This is obviously against my better judgment. I know the obvious answer is to not send anything before meeting. But it's only 50 bucks. My bigger concern is whether this is a front for some sort of insidious scam. Like this is the first part of a catphishing or something. I can lose the 50 bucks. But I don't want to end up on a newspaper.

Anyone know? Is this some common scam I'm about to fall for?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FishMongerC;2796198]Absolutely a scam. Do not do it.

Instead insist to her that you will provide her with cash upon meeting to cover her "uber cost" but only when meeting in person. And if you do meet, and you like her, immediately give her a crisp $50 bill to show you measure of good faith.

If she is reluctant to meet, it means her initial plan was to scam you anyway. But if you sense there is an opportunity to meet, talk to her on the phone or video and convince her you will pay for her uber only upon meeting up.

Cashapp is an absolute scam.[/QUOTE]Thanks to those of you who provided input. Really appreciate it.

Out of curiosity, why is Cash App a scam? Is there something about it that is distinct from other types of payment platforms that makes it more scammy?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2796493]Thanks to those of you who provided input. Really appreciate it.

Out of curiosity, why is Cash App a scam? Is there something about it that is distinct from other types of payment platforms that makes it more scammy?[/QUOTE]No nothing specific to Cash App being a scam. From my understanding it is pretty legitimate. I have never used it myself though. But the one thing I have noticed is that most scammers have asked for upfront payment via Cashapp than any other platform. Never had anyone ask for upfront payment from Venmo for example.

Long time no see fellas. Been pretty locked up with my local girlfriend. But traveling in Brazil did 9 club girls and this amazing Seeking girl. Read on.

Normally I don't do Seeking in cities with a vibrant club scene. And given that we found Monte Carlo to be epic (see Rio thread) I wouldn't have done Seeking. BUT, since most everything in Rio is closed on Sunday I thought I'the poke around. I had some leads from a few weeks back but also started poking new girls at dinner Saturday night.

I actually had several girls interested but one slim 9. 5 hottie caught my attention and we quickly planned a date. I was a little concerned it was a scam because almost too good to be true and had my radar up till the last minute. She asked $100 USD which is maybe at market for a quality hottie in Rio but IMO a bargain for this girl.

We had a bit of difficulty with the restaurant as I had picked one and she was on her way (Uber) only to find it closed at 7 and our date was for 8. Damn! Fortunately I found an amazing place nearby. It's called Pergula and it's inside the ritzy Copacabana Palace hotel. Amazing luxe vibe and food was excellent.

She was 10 minutes late — early for a Brasileira — and we met in the lobby of the hotel. Wow. Exactly like her pictures which were stunning. She was wearing a tight black dress with lots of cutouts. Really sexy without being slutty. And cascades of wavy black hair down to her ass. Just perfection.

Air kisses and off we go to the restaurant. You can tell by her vivacious vibe that she is both thrilled with me and with the restaurant choice. I think we both know this will be epic from minute one.

We shared an excellent bottle of Chardonnay during dinner and had awesome chat. She speaks very little English but my dinner table Porto is quite good so long as we don't steer too far afield and she speaks slowly — which she did. So we had no trouble understanding each other, the conversation flowed, and we laughed a lot.

It's still early when we finish dinner, maybe 9:15 or so so I want to extend things a bit rather than just go to the room. So we grab an Uber. In the car she holds my hand and then places it between both of hers on her lap. OK no question this is an affectionate girl and it's on!

We bounce to a rooftop bar near my hotel but it seems closed for renovations. So instead we walk to my place which also has a rooftop bar tho of modest size.

We go thru the revolving door and just blow past reception, no questions asked and head up to the rooftop. In the elevator she pulls me close and we DFK for most of the ride. I love this girl!

We have some drinks at the top and the view is epic even at night. They light up Copacabana beach at night and there are still couples and familys swimming or playing futbol. A little cuddling at the rail and another shared kiss.

At the rail I start softly massaging her neck with my right hand. She loves this. In fact she takes my other hand and puts it on her arm showing me she has goosebumps! I tell her I am happy to give her a massage. At ten the bar closes and this pushes us to the room— not that I mind at this point. We both take our drinks with.

In the room, lovely DFK and when I go pee I return to find her only in her thong. She says "you promised me a massage" and that I did. Still in my shirt I lose my pants and socks so I can mount her back in my briefs. And what a back!

I straddle her amazing ass — small for a Brasileira— she is rail thin — but with an amazing shape and the perfect meaty feel and start a quality legit massage. I give my GF at home massage all the time and I'm pretty good. She is cooing and moaning. I start a bit of grinding tempo with my hips and soon my cock is hard against her ass / pussy as I massage in time with the grind. She likes this and is definitively growing horny!

After a good bit of this I think — let's get this party started — and rise to my feet beside the bed. She takes the cue and comes and unbuttons my shirt and gets on her knees on the floor. I love that submissiveness!

Off come the briefs and she takes my cock in her mouth briefly. Then takes a pause to gather that mane of hers. She collects her copious wavy hair in a ponytail with both hands and then hands it to me to keep it orderly and control the action at the same time. Nice and submissive again! She gives a solid BBBJ with plenty of BLS though I have to slow her down several times.

After some great BJ get her up and push her on her back on the bed. I start with her tits which are man made but look really great on her and feel darn good for falsies.

I kiss and lick my way down with a little giggle when I hit ticklish spots but eventually reach the target.

She has quite meaty lips for a Brasileira and I have to pull back some flesh to get her clit more exposed. She's wet from the getgo so I slip a finger inside. Nice and sloppy I do some great gspot and clit work. She never has a crashing O, but I get a bit of push out a couple times that means I'm on the right track.

Eventually it's sexo time and we do it in all positions. I am quite spent after 9 girls in five days and never threaten to blow my stack no matter how good it is. She def fucks me hard in doggie and cowgirl. And I fuck her hard in mish. We even do prone bone with a couple pillows under her belly and her legs together. Feels great. We go quite some time but I know I am not going to blow in camasinha at this point and move to more BBBJ. Eventually I put her on balls and me on handjob and I drop a pretty earthshaking load on my tummy.

After that it's kiss and cuddle and she declines to spend the night but says she had a great time. She says she is sad she just met me and I have to leave. As am I. To be honest tho with a GF at home I prefer the club scene when traveling and so I am glad I didn't forfeit Monte Carlo (see Rio thread) for her.

I hope maybe I can travel her somewhere because she's gorgeous and a ton of fun. Will have to see. Damn — 12 hours earlier I was just browsing Seeking. And then suddenly I have the perfect date with a 9. 5. WTF? I love my life and Seeking rules!

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2796036]5000 pesos give or take 1000 is considered generous. Like you can go lower and easily get away with it. But 5000 will be considered quite good for an evening together.[/QUOTE]I was in CDMX for a week. I agree with the above. I'd start at 4, unless the girl is 11/10 hot.

I met one girl and said I could do - 4 -5. Ofcourse she wanted 5, but I think she'd have taken 4. Another agreed to 4, was extremely attractive, but she kept delaying day of and didn't end up seeing her.

One chick started at 8 and I told her it was too much, she said 7 and I didn't care to haggle further. I think she probably would've come down to 6 .

[QUOTE=GuyPerson;2797750]I was in CDMX for a week. I agree with the above. I'd start at 4, unless the girl is 11/10 hot.

I met one girl and said I could do - 4 -5. Ofcourse she wanted 5, but I think she'd have taken 4. Another agreed to 4, was extremely attractive, but she kept delaying day of and didn't end up seeing her.

One chick started at 8 and I told her it was too much, she said 7 and I didn't care to haggle further. I think she probably would've come down to 6 .[/QUOTE]CDMX you can find lots of great girls $175-250. $300 would be my max, but she would need to be super hot.

[QUOTE=FishMongerC;2797612]No nothing specific to Cash App being a scam. From my understanding it is pretty legitimate. I have never used it myself though. But the one thing I have noticed is that most scammers have asked for upfront payment via Cashapp than any other platform. Never had anyone ask for upfront payment from Venmo for example.[/QUOTE]You guys need to be very careful with Cash App's. Very track able, and it better be legit. The IRS is cracking down these, so be careful. You could in for a lot of explaining, from either the Government or a Significant other.

One or two times is no big deal, but if there is a pattern, you need to be very careful.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2797767]You guys need to be very careful with Cash App's. Very track able, and it better be legit. The IRS is cracking down these, so be careful. You could in for a lot of explaining, from either the Government or a Significant other.

One or two times is no big deal, but if there is a pattern, you need to be very careful.[/QUOTE]Oh really? It's not possible to send money anonymously thru Cash app like with a prepaid card?

[QUOTE=GuyPerson;2797750]I was in CDMX for a week. I agree with the above. I'd start at 4, unless the girl is 11/10 hot.

I met one girl and said I could do - 4 -5. Ofcourse she wanted 5, but I think she'd have taken 4. Another agreed to 4, was extremely attractive, but she kept delaying day of and didn't end up seeing her.

One chick started at 8 and I told her it was too much, she said 7 and I didn't care to haggle further. I think she probably would've come down to 6 .[/QUOTE]I should add I didn't take her up on the 7. I didn't bother to respond after she sent that.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2797911]Oh really? It's not possible to send money anonymously thru Cash app like with a prepaid card?[/QUOTE]Pre-paid cards are anonymous, but Cash App, leave a major paper trail. Cash App. 's work great, for small amounts, but you definitely do not want to do large amounts or consistent payments, if you are worried about privacy or the IRS.

I have never been to Latin America, let alone playing there.

Sounds like a fun place. Perhaps, as good as Europe.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2797716]Long time no see fellas. Been pretty locked up with my local girlfriend. But traveling in Brazil did 9 club girls and this amazing Seeking girl. Read on.

Normally I don't do Seeking in cities with a vibrant club scene. And given that we found Monte Carlo to be epic (see Rio thread) I wouldn't have done Seeking. BUT, since most everything in Rio is closed on Sunday I thought I'the poke around. I had some leads from a few weeks back but also started poking new girls at dinner Saturday night.

I actually had several girls interested but one slim 9. 5 hottie caught my attention and we quickly planned a date. I was a little concerned it was a scam because almost too good to be true and had my radar up till the last minute. She asked $100 USD which is maybe at market for a quality hottie in Rio but IMO a bargain for this girl.

We had a bit of difficulty with the restaurant as I had picked one and she was on her way (Uber) only to find it closed at 7 and our date was for 8. Damn! Fortunately I found an amazing place nearby. It's called Pergula and it's inside the ritzy Copacabana Palace hotel. Amazing luxe vibe and food was excellent.

She was 10 minutes late early for a Brasileira and we met in the lobby of the hotel. Wow. Exactly like her pictures which were stunning. She was wearing a tight black dress with lots of cutouts. Really sexy without being slutty. And cascades of wavy black hair down to her ass. Just perfection.

Air kisses and off we go to the restaurant. You can tell by her vivacious vibe that she is both thrilled with me and with the restaurant choice. I think we both know this will be epic from minute one.

We shared an excellent bottle of Chardonnay during dinner and had awesome chat. She speaks very little English but my dinner table Porto is quite good so long as we don't steer too far afield and she speaks slowly which she did. So we had no trouble understanding each other, the conversation flowed, and we laughed a lot.

It's still early when we finish dinner, maybe 9:15 or so so I want to extend things a bit rather than just go to the room. So we grab an Uber. In the car she holds my hand and then places it between both of hers on her lap. OK no question this is an affectionate girl and it's on!

We bounce to a rooftop bar near my hotel but it seems closed for renovations. So instead we walk to my place which also has a rooftop bar tho of modest size.

We go thru the revolving door and just blow past reception, no questions asked and head up to the rooftop. In the elevator she pulls me close and we DFK for most of the ride. I love this girl!

We have some drinks at the top and the view is epic even at night. They light up Copacabana beach at night and there are still couples and familys swimming or playing futbol. A little cuddling at the rail and another shared kiss.

At the rail I start softly massaging her neck with my right hand. She loves this. In fact she takes my other hand and puts it on her arm showing me she has goosebumps! I tell her I am happy to give her a massage. At ten the bar closes and this pushes us to the room not that I mind at this point. We both take our drinks with.

In the room, lovely DFK and when I go pee I return to find her only in her thong. She says "you promised me a massage" and that I did. Still in my shirt I lose my pants and socks so I can mount her back in my briefs. And what a back!

I straddle her amazing ass small for a Brasileira she is rail thin but with an amazing shape and the perfect meaty feel and start a quality legit massage. I give my GF at home massage all the time and I'm pretty good. She is cooing and moaning. I start a bit of grinding tempo with my hips and soon my cock is hard against her ass / pussy as I massage in time with the grind. She likes this and is definitively growing horny!

After a good bit of this I think let's get this party started and rise to my feet beside the bed. She takes the cue and comes and unbuttons my shirt and gets on her knees on the floor. I love that submissiveness!

Off come the briefs and she takes my cock in her mouth briefly. Then takes a pause to gather that mane of hers. She collects her copious wavy hair in a ponytail with both hands and then hands it to me to keep it orderly and control the action at the same time. Nice and submissive again! She gives a solid BBBJ with plenty of BLS though I have to slow her down several times.

After some great BJ get her up and push her on her back on the bed. I start with her tits which are man made but look really great on her and feel darn good for falsies.

I kiss and lick my way down with a little giggle when I hit ticklish spots but eventually reach the target.

She has quite meaty lips for a Brasileira and I have to pull back some flesh to get her clit more exposed. She's wet from the getgo so I slip a finger inside. Nice and sloppy I do some great gspot and clit work. She never has a crashing O, but I get a bit of push out a couple times that means I'm on the right track.

Eventually it's sexo time and we do it in all positions. I am quite spent after 9 girls in five days and never threaten to blow my stack no matter how good it is. She def fucks me hard in doggie and cowgirl. And I fuck her hard in mish. We even do prone bone with a couple pillows under her belly and her legs together. Feels great. We go quite some time but I know I am not going to blow in camasinha at this point and move to more BBBJ. Eventually I put her on balls and me on handjob and I drop a pretty earthshaking load on my tummy.

After that it's kiss and cuddle and she declines to spend the night but says she had a great time. She says she is sad she just met me and I have to leave. As am I. To be honest tho with a GF at home I prefer the club scene when traveling and so I am glad I didn't forfeit Monte Carlo (see Rio thread) for her.

I hope maybe I can travel her somewhere because she's gorgeous and a ton of fun. Will have to see. Damn 12 hours earlier I was just browsing Seeking. And then suddenly I have the perfect date with a 9. 5. WTF? I love my life and Seeking rules![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SonicBoom1;2685923]Just returned from Argentina. Heaven. Was there was 7 days, got 9 chicks off seeking.

Paid US $ 100 / date which lasted from 4 to 12 hours.

One girl became super close to me, almost like a girlfriend.

Venezuelana, 31, blonde, green eyes, fit body.

Saw her twice, went to bars, museums and parks with her.

On her last date I said, "darling I want to do something Kinky".

She said, "like what".

I said, "like maybe pee on you?

She said, "yes but only of you do it in my mouth, mi amor".

Did I mention Argentina is heaven?[/QUOTE]Hey Homie! Sent you a message on Argentina Private. Have an upcoming trip planned to Buenos Aires and would definitely love to pick your brain, especially on Seeking Arrangments game.

Impossible to exceed my Rio girl who was top notch GFE and. 9. 5 for $100. Wtf? Prob my best $ to looks / experience ratio ever. But I had a nice two dates in Mexico City with a fun and friendly 8. Cdmx is def more expensive at $220 plus Uber. Still no regrets. Just that I have a very high bar. LOL.

I had started browsing the CDMX scene a couple months back and fell into it hard with a great girl. But she was more a borderline 7 which is stretching it and so I continued to chat up 8's and above.

Found Nohemi a few weeks back and we had nice chat. Interestingly she became more and more girlfriendy as we went on chatting. Asking how my day was. That kinda thing. Her pics really aren't representative so I was a bit borderline but ended up moving her into number 1 position for first date night. I planned Ana in night 2 she was equal in many ways but Spanish speaking only. So Nohemi won the coveted day 1 spot.

I let her pick the spot and she choose the nicest restaurant in CDMX Cuerno. And wow it delivered. She was a half hour late Latinas (- but kept me posted. Met her at the front for a quick air kiss. She looked hot AF. Like waaay better than her pics.

Her English is shockingly good and that was super helpful to the vibe. Fairly early on she said she was a little scared meeting me but when she saw me she was very happy. That felt nice. Can't recall what we talked about but it was easy and lots of laughter.

Bounced to a rooftop bar that was lame and then to one that was epic. High recommend for Cityzen at the top of the Sofitel if you are in town. Wowzers. More laughter and drinks and we bounce to the room.

Details are a bit foggy a few days hence. I recall she got wet super easy and her BJ was decidedly mediocre. But very submissive pleaser so all good. It's funny because the sex was not as good as many girls this week but there was a vibe and chemistry that kinda canceled that out. (When I say the sex was not as good I really mean the BJ. The sex was great).

So we repeated next night. (Sorry Ana) She couldn't stay the night as she had class in the AM but we did cuddle and snooze for about an hour after fucking like animals. It was really nice.

Clearly on a pure value scale my $100 Rio girl absolutely slays my $220 CDMX girl. But I really had a wonderful time and would repeat anytime for the overall vibe and chemistry. Just goes to show you can't analyze this shit. It just is what it is.

Posting this because some guys have said they enjoy my detailed adventures and I have been remiss of late on details. I wrote this up right after so most of the detail is there. A second reason for posting is to let folks know that sex unicorns do exist. Some girls just love to fuck like nothing else on earth. I’d never met one before, but now I have. They are real. I am also posting it because I want lurkers here to know that Seeking can deliver above and beyond expectations when played right. Literally this week I had a 9. 5 in Brazil and 8 in Cdmx and my legit sexy beast girlfriend found on Seeking about a year ago. Nirvana does exist!

Sex with my girlfriend Shayla is simply life changing. OMG. I hesitate to call it girlfriend sex. On the one hand it's super comfortable and meaningful and giving in both directions. So it is girlfriend sex in that sense. But the girl is a fucking beast in the sheets and it never gets routine. Never known anyone like her.

Saw her tonight after 10 days (and 11 girls) away. She was lying on the floor on the dog bed in just a crop top and lace panties when I arrived. Honestly I was ready to fuck her right then she looked so great. We started making out and it was sensual but she wasn't using tongue. That to me was a sign she wanted to hold up a bit and that was fine.

We had some Thai food but it wasn't long before things were on. She'the had a bong hit so she was on the right track. We started making out a bit but still no tongue. So I pulled up her shirt and started sucking her tits. These are directly connected to her mouth and pussy and in no time she is moaning and grabs my head and brings us mouth to mouth and eats my face. OMG she is the most passionate kisser once you flip the switch.

Rolling around on the floor I am feeling her tits and pussy and she has my pants around my ankles starting BJ. Only then does she realize the door is open because we hear her roommate playing video games in the living room. LOL. She pops up and closes it and gets completely naked. What a tiny minx she is!

Excellent BJ. Damn I missed her. Even with a couple good ones in Brasil hers is still tops. Before long she mounts up Cowgirl and it's ecstasy being bare back after all that condom fucking. OMG. Nothing like it.

She rides like a blue ribbon cowgirl for a long time. Then we do some amazing mish still there on the floor. At some point we get her big vibrator involved and move to the Steve on the bed. She is having an amazing time both with and without the vibrator.

We swap over to BJ for a while and actually swap mish and BJ a couple more times. At one point I am about to cum in BJ and she knows it and backs me off the edge. (She does this on purpose because she loves to fuck so much!) then mounts up cowgirl. She rides like her life depends on it and it's amazing but no dice. After getting to the edge and coming back it's very hard to get there again which she loves.

I fuck her hard in the Andy (pillow under butt, you on knees, spread wide) and her vibing herself. I def feel the build a couple times but it fades. At one point I am pushed up inside her and just resting and I can feel the vibrator thru her pussy walls. And she will clench a bit and then I will expand a bit in response. We both loved this. It was super cool and intimate. This goes on several times and I get rock hard again. I pump for all I am worth and it feels great but I eventually collapse a sweaty mess.

She says "that's ok babe you rest a bit. We can start again when your ready. I'm going to cum again in the meantime. " And continues to vibe but also gets out the dildo and starts fucking herself hard. Usually I'the watch but I am spent so I just stroke lightly and make out with her some.

At some point I get up and face fuck her a bit and it feels great. I tell her I want to fuck her again in the Steve and she gets this Cheshire Cat smile and we go at it again. Then more mish, more cowgirl and more BJ.

Not quite pulling a rabbit out of the hat I kneel beside her and stroke slowly while she continues to vibe. Every so often I put it in her mouth for a couple strokes. Then continue a slow build. Right at the point of cumming I put it in her mouth and start firing shots. One or two in her mouth. One on her cheek. One past her cheek on her shoulder and a few drops on her chest. Not bad for an old man who just fucked 11 chicks!

Totally spent I flop to the floor and start nibbling Thai again. She says she's going to try for one more and a squirt. So here I am sitting eating Thai, watching this horny gorgeous goddess fuck herself and go through all the faces of bliss, face scrunching O, and bliss again. Amazing. You can't make this shit up!

We're we so lost in each other we didn't keep track of time but back figuring it we went at it a solid 1. 5 hours straight. She commented how much she loves not only to have me back but to really fuck for that long. Ok doll, what baby wants, baby gets! Damn I love this girl!

Last time I subbed in March 2021 payment went thru no issues.

Took me 2 years to get my finances back in order so back on the saddle. Right now there's a promo ends tonight am entering card info red blurb pops up saying "we do take some pre paid cards but other give is issues. Consider using an actual credit card".

Sure enough card declined all 3 times.

Ideas?

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2800188]Last time I subbed in March 2021 payment went thru no issues.
Sure enough card declined all 3 times.
Ideas?[/QUOTE]I literally just took the plunge today with JokerVisa card. Used legit residential address in different city and it worked.

Hope it works out.

F.

Do you have a link to her Seeking profile? I am always curious to see what other people definition of 7/8 is.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2799258]Impossible to exceed my Rio girl who was top notch GFE and. 9. 5 for $100. Wtf? Prob my best $ to looks / experience ratio ever. But I had a nice two dates in Mexico City with a fun and friendly 8. Cdmx is def more expensive at $220 plus Uber. Still no regrets. Just that I have a very high bar. LOL.

I had started browsing the CDMX scene a couple months back and fell into it hard with a great girl. But she was more a borderline 7 which is stretching it and so I continued to chat up 8's and above.

Found Nohemi a few weeks back and we had nice chat. Interestingly she became more and more girlfriendy as we went on chatting. Asking how my day was. That kinda thing. Her pics really aren't representative so I was a bit borderline but ended up moving her into number 1 position for first date night. I planned Ana in night 2 she was equal in many ways but Spanish speaking only. So Nohemi won the coveted day 1 spot.

I let her pick the spot and she choose the nicest restaurant in CDMX Cuerno. And wow it delivered. She was a half hour late Latinas (- but kept me posted. Met her at the front for a quick air kiss. She looked hot AF. Like waaay better than her pics.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Foolish;2800282]I literally just took the plunge today with JokerVisa card. Used legit residential address in different city and it worked.

Hope it works out.

F.[/QUOTE]Congrats on joining the club man! It's hard work and trial and error and having game. But when you put in the work and get the hang of it, nothing finer. Welcome welcome! Any tips needed just hmu.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2800188]Last time I subbed in March 2021 payment went thru no issues.

Took me 2 years to get my finances back in order so back on the saddle. Right now there's a promo ends tonight am entering card info red blurb pops up saying "we do take some pre paid cards but other give is issues. Consider using an actual credit card".

Sure enough card declined all 3 times.

Ideas?[/QUOTE]Update: Vanilla Cards no longer willing to conduct business with Seeking.

One known prepaid brand still works: in USA, it is Blackhawk / MetaBank same company operates in Canada masquerading as Joker Card. Packaging should include Visa logo in front and orange BHN logo in back.

Problem: Loadable amount up to $500 recently revised to up to $200 so when your 90 day subscription is in $220 range you're practically SOL.

Back to drawing board.

I paused mine since I've found my SB, disabled my account and pause for 90-days. After 90-days all the sudden I've got charged and my subscription is back to active, WTF.

[QUOTE=DjTan;2800851]I paused mine since I've found my SB, disabled my account and pause for 90-days. After 90-days all the sudden I've got charged and my subscription is back to active, WTF.[/QUOTE]Yes, they are terrible, with there Auto renew policy. The sane thing has happened to me.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2800966]Yes, they are terrible, with there Auto renew policy. The sane thing has happened to me.[/QUOTE]Yup, it's greedy part of SA, so I am going to boycott for now.

My take on business is, if a company is confident about it's product it'll sell without tricking people like that.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2799258]Impossible to exceed my Rio girl who was top notch GFE and. 9. 5 for $100. Wtf? Prob my best $ to looks / experience ratio ever. But I had a nice two dates in Mexico City with a fun and friendly 8. Cdmx is def more expensive at $220 plus Uber. Still no regrets. Just that I have a very high bar. LOL.

I had started browsing the CDMX scene a couple months back and fell into it hard with a great girl. But she was more a borderline 7 which is stretching it and so I continued to chat up 8's and above.

Found Nohemi a few weeks back and we had nice chat. Interestingly she became more and more girlfriendy as we went on chatting. Asking how my day was. That kinda thing. Her pics really aren't representative so I was a bit borderline but ended up moving her into number 1 position for first date night. I planned Ana in night 2 she was equal in many ways but Spanish speaking only. So Nohemi won the coveted day 1 spot.

I let her pick the spot and she choose the nicest restaurant in CDMX Cuerno. And wow it delivered. She was a half hour late Latinas (- but kept me posted. Met her at the front for a quick air kiss. She looked hot AF. Like waaay better than her pics.

Her English is shockingly good and that was super helpful to the vibe. Fairly early on she said she was a little scared meeting me but when she saw me she was very happy. That felt nice. Can't recall what we talked about but it was easy and lots of laughter..[/QUOTE]Great report. We have the same taste in chicks and we have both bagged the same chick, maybe both. Keep up the reports. I miss CDMX, but just too expensive now and I miss too much work. MTY is great for sex, but does get a little boring.

My goal for the year is to focus more on work and save some money, I cannot do this traveling to CDMX every 10 days. I love both places, hopefully the recession will pass soon and flights will become more reasonable, but I have my doubts.

We are very lucky to live the life we do, some are jealous and others call us crazy, but we are probably having the best time of our lives.

Hello Gents!

This is my first post on ISG. Please be kind. I have already RTFF regarding this question, but need accurate and recent information and help. I am looking for a prepaid card in the USA that will work on SA. Here is what I have compiled so far after RTFF.

Yes. Working:

-Green Dot Visa Card?

-Prepaid Visa Gift Card?

-Prepaid Mastercard Gift Card.

-Blackhawk / MetaBank, for upto $200.

No. Not Working:

-One Vanilla pre-paid VISA debit card.

-Prepaid American Express.

What is also important is to be able to buy and / or reload the prepaid card with cash for complete anonymity sake. No / Low purchase / reload / maintenance fees are a bonus.

Also important is being able to register (assuming necessary in order to use it online) the prepaid card using fake information.

Please feel free to correct my understanding if a card needs to move from working to non-working and vice versa.

It will be great if you can please share the name of the prepaid card you have been able to use successfully recently in the US.

Thanks in advance!

Don.

All in (including hotels, travel, dining, presents, payment to gals, etc.), how much do you guys spend to monger per year? You can include a breakdown if you can/want.

I was looking at my expected mongering expenses for this year, and I think it will come out to over $40,000. Normally, I pay about 30 k / year, but for the upcoming year, I am trying to replace pros and MPs with SBs that are pay per date. I think for most of us, SBs are more expensive than pros, but we pay that premium because we think it is worth it. In addition, while I am reducing my mongering this year (I have been trying to go for quality over quantity), I decided to rent a love shack again, and that by itself if going to cost me almost 20 k per year.

Obviously, feel free to ignore this question if you think it's none of my business. But I just want know if others are also paying a crazy amount, to have this life of ours.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2801854]All in (including hotels, travel, dining, presents, payment to gals, etc.), how much do you guys spend to monger per year? You can include a breakdown if you can/want.

I was looking at my expected mongering expenses for this year, and I think it will come out to over $40,000. Normally, I pay about 30 k / year, but for the upcoming year, I am trying to replace pros and MPs with SBs that are pay per date. I think for most of us, SBs are more expensive than pros, but we pay that premium because we think it is worth it. In addition, while I am reducing my mongering this year (I have been trying to go for quality over quantity), I decided to rent a love shack again, and that by itself if going to cost me almost 20 k per year.

Obviously, feel free to ignore this question if you think it's none of my business. But I just want know if others are also paying a crazy amount, to have this life of ours.[/QUOTE]Actually really appreciate the question and I'm interested too.

Counting hotels and meals I'the otherwise not have but for my trips I take to do this, I'm guessing 20000 US dollars a year.

It might only be that low because I don't seek at home due to my domestic situation. So I have no regular. I only do this when traveling. But I travel maybe 20-30 nights a year. About 400 per night in gift, then another 200-300 per night hotel and dinner.

So about 20 k. And worth every penny. I have to say this is one thing I always look forward to and plan around and remember.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2801854]All in (including hotels, travel, dining, presents, payment to gals, etc.), how much do you guys spend to monger per year? You can include a breakdown if you can/want.

I was looking at my expected mongering expenses for this year, and I think it will come out to over $40,000. Normally, I pay about 30 k / year, but for the upcoming year, I am trying to replace pros and MPs with SBs that are pay per date. I think for most of us, SBs are more expensive than pros, but we pay that premium because we think it is worth it. In addition, while I am reducing my mongering this year (I have been trying to go for quality over quantity), I decided to rent a love shack again, and that by itself if going to cost me almost 20 k per year.

Obviously, feel free to ignore this question if you think it's none of my business. But I just want know if others are also paying a crazy amount, to have this life of ours.[/QUOTE]Good darn question. Bet you get much higher figures in this group where it's $500/ encounter vs say the board in general. Lotsa guys out there can fuck for $100/ pop in other countries. China and US are going to require the biggest budgets. I started a few years ago at $5 K. Then $10 K. Then $20 k. I prob spend about $20 K on girls when I travel. But then I got my mistress. And prob $20 K on her with apt and dates weekly. So yeah $40 K would be unsurprising. Tagged 44 girls last year not including my GF (fortunately most in less expensive venues), so it adds up!

As AmericanPi said I live for this. I mean other than a bit of family and Netflix I spend every waking hour planning trips and chatting up hotties when I am not hanging out with my GF. Pretty much my whole world revolves around 20-25 year old hotties. And I am living the dream!

This intrugues me.

I just turned 40. While I make decent money, I am also wanting to be fiscally responsible (aka already started investing / planning for retirement etc. ,

Meaning, I don't spend more than 5 k a year on pussies (I exclude FKK visits. That's probably another 1 K a year). Well, I am leaving out the dinner / travel expenses as I anyway eat / travel (there is an incremental but that's ok).

So, curious to know (ignore if you are not comfortable) how you guys fund 8 x what I spend.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2801903]Good darn question. Bet you get much higher figures in this group where it's $500/ encounter vs say the board in general. Lotsa guys out there can fuck for $100/ pop in other countries. China and US are going to require the biggest budgets. I started a few years ago at $5 K. Then $10 K. Then $20 k. I prob spend about $20 K on girls when I travel. But then I got my mistress. And prob $20 K on her with apt and dates weekly. So yeah $40 K would be unsurprising. Tagged 44 girls last year not including my GF (fortunately most in less expensive venues), so it adds up!

As AmericanPi said I live for this. I mean other than a bit of family and Netflix I spend every waking hour planning trips and chatting up hotties when I am not hanging out with my GF. Pretty much my whole world revolves around 20-25 year old hotties. And I am living the dream![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2800966]Yes, they are terrible, with there Auto renew policy. The sane thing has happened to me.[/QUOTE]Using a disposable (one time use) card gets around this shit. 'Pause' on a lot of sites just waits long enough for you to forget then starts rebilling.

Revolut offer one time cards (but you need a premium account). For sure there'll be other providers.

SA Payment gets declined when SA can't rebill the card. Had no problems restarting the membership when it's time to go hunting again.

Finally I calculated my spend on mongering for 2022. For me it adds up to 27 K. Tried to break it down by country.

All amounts are in USD and are approximate but very close to actual spend. I mostly used Seeking, except when a seeking girl introduced her friend. Happened in India and Canada.

Travel. Includes only trips specific for hobby. I travel a lot for work and also do hobby while traveling for work. Since these travel cost covered by employer, I am excluding that from amounts below.

Airfare - $3000 (Not including tickets bought using points which is almost 50%.

Hotels - $4000 (Not including hotels booked using points which is almost 50%.

Food / Drinks with SBs - $1500.

Taxi / Uber / Parking - $900 (surprisingly it adds up fast).

Money spent on SBs for P4 P.

Canada - 2 trips of 4 days each in 2022 (Montreal and Toronto). Met total 8 girls for total cost $3500 (Average $400 CAD, got advantage of USD to CAD exchange rate).

USA. Only met 2 girls from escort agency xoc - $800.

Mexico - 3 trips of 4 days each in 2022 and most enjoyed in 2022 - Met total 10 girls (repeated some in all 3 trips who stay all night, 4 times tried 3 somes) for total cost of $4000.

Turkey - 2 trips to Istanbul (3 days and 5 days). Had really great experience, quality and service of girls. But it is a little more expensive than in Mexico. But variety is better in Istanbul (enjoyed Russian, Ukrainian, Lebanese, Turkish, Belarus, Irani, Indonesian and Uzbek girls) - (Repeated 1 Turkish and 1 Uzbek girl 2 times) - $4000.

India - 3 employer paid trips, so no cost for airfare and hotels (March, July, Oct) - Hobbying got more expensive in every trip, now I guess it is on par with Istanbul. (I mostly used Seeking and average cost is $250, 2 times tried 3 some with one Indian and 1 Uzbek girl) - Total $3500.

Singapore - 1 employer paid trips, so no cost for airfare and hotels (March) - Only met 2 viet girls. Total cost $500.

Thailand. Extended Singapore trip by 4 days to take a detour to Phuket. Most of time spent on really good body and foot massage (no sex). But had some good sessions with freelancers. Total cost $1300.

This adds up to around 27 K. This is expensive hobby 🙂.

Thank you TESLA stock for making this happened.

Already looking forward more hobbying in 2023. Already had 2 trips to Mexico with 2 3 somes and have planned multiple trips to Mexico, Montreal, Istanbul, India, Thailand, Dubai. Also want to try Brazil this year if possible.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2801854]All in (including hotels, travel, dining, presents, payment to gals, etc.), how much do you guys spend to monger per year? You can include a breakdown if you can/want.

I was looking at my expected mongering expenses for this year, and I think it will come out to over $40,000. Normally, I pay about 30 k / year, but for the upcoming year, I am trying to replace pros and MPs with SBs that are pay per date. I think for most of us, SBs are more expensive than pros, but we pay that premium because we think it is worth it. In addition, while I am reducing my mongering this year (I have been trying to go for quality over quantity), I decided to rent a love shack again, and that by itself if going to cost me almost 20 k per year.

Obviously, feel free to ignore this question if you think it's none of my business. But I just want know if others are also paying a crazy amount, to have this life of ours.[/QUOTE]

I cannot speak for everyone that pays 5 to 8 times what you pay (per year) for mongering, but I think most of us (who are paying 5 - 8 times more than you) are in our 50's and so there are two things going for most of us: (1) we have some savings now, and (2) we are making more income now than what we made in our 40's. When I was 40, I still had credit card debt and mongering was a rare treat for me.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2804469]This intrugues me.

I just turned 40. While I make decent money, I am also wanting to be fiscally responsible (aka already started investing / planning for retirement etc. ,

Meaning, I don't spend more than 5 k a year on pussies (I exclude FKK visits. That's probably another 1 K a year). Well, I am leaving out the dinner / travel expenses as I anyway eat / travel (there is an incremental but that's ok).

So, curious to know (ignore if you are not comfortable) how you guys fund 8 x what I spend.[/QUOTE].

I have a few pics from women who are on seeking. I am having problems resizing the others.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2804582]I cannot speak for everyone that pays 5 to 8 times what you pay (per year) for mongering, but I think most of us (who are paying 5 - 8 times more than you) are in our 50's and so there are two things going for most of us: (1) we have some savings now, and (2) we are making more income now than what we made in our 40's. When I was 40, I still had credit card debt and mongering was a rare treat for me.

.[/QUOTE]Yeah I assume it's just different income levels. Spend about 10% of my income on my girls. Seems a healthy number for my number one interest in life!

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2804582]I cannot speak for everyone that pays 5 to 8 times what you pay (per year) for mongering, but I think most of us (who are paying 5 - 8 times more than you) are in our 50's and so there are two things going for most of us: (1) we have some savings now, and (2) we are making more income now than what we made in our 40's. When I was 40, I still had credit card debt and mongering was a rare treat for me..[/QUOTE]Mongering is expensive. I know a few people who spend virtually all their money on this hobby when they were in their 40's. You have more resources when you are older. However, I sometimes regret opportunities that I passed on when I was younger. At some point you have more money than desire.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2804898]Mongering is expensive. I know a few people who spend virtually all their money on this hobby when they were in their 40's. You have more resources when you are older. However, I sometimes regret opportunities that I passed on when I was younger. At some point you have more money than desire.[/QUOTE]Yes, at age 67 I only feel like sex every 2-3 days. Even with Cialis. Have lots of money, but no libido.

Thanks for this call out.

I definitely don't want to regret later. Combining your point, and Steve's below-.

I spend 2.5% of my income (or 3.5% of post tax). Guess I am being to conservative in spend and worried more than I should about post retirement cash flow.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2804898]Mongering is expensive. I know a few people who spend virtually all their money on this hobby when they were in their 40's. You have more resources when you are older. However, I sometimes regret opportunities that I passed on when I was younger. At some point you have more money than desire.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2805215]Thanks for this call out.

I definitely don't want to regret later. Combining your point, and Steve's below-.

I spend 2.5% of my income (or 3.5% of post tax). Guess I am being to conservative in spend and worried more than I should about post retirement cash flow.[/QUOTE]Actually you may not be far off. When I was in my forties I was going a few times a year and binging. Spending maybe $3-5 K / year. And as you say saving for retirement. But as I came into my fifties I started to see the importance of doing what I love and was now making enough to spend more. It's a progression. It's prob not feasible / wise (depending if you are married or not) to spend 10% on girls and keep that up for 25 years. But as you see your future years with girls is going to be 5-10 years max (like me and several others) it makes sense to ramp it up.

Spent a couple great nights in Madrid. Two Seeking Arrangement girls and one Vive girl. All were great experiences in their own way. And a reminder of the wide variation in bedroom skills that can exist.

We start the trip with Smoke Show. That's what I call her because damn she is fine. She's a legit model doing new work everyday and posting on her WhatsApp as status updates. I mean world class looks — face and body to die for. She's Venezuelan.

I was a bit worried setting up the date because she is so fine as to be unapproachable. And when we ended up discussing price she said 1000€. And I wasn't surprised honestly. I told her politely that was way outside my budget of 400€ and wished her luck. Surprisingly she came back with "OK we can do dinner and room time but I can't spend the night. " OK baby it's on.

I kept several other girls warm (including date 2 below) but Smoke Show was definitely my first priority for date 1. I was worried it might be bait and switch or something because it's all just model quality pics and she was quick to drop to 400. But nope she shows on time for dinner and is 100% as beautiful as her pics. She apologizes that she has her suitcase with her because she just finished a modeling job and sure enough I get fresh pics later that night.

Again, I am thinking with her looks she's going to be an aloof ***** or some other character flaw but she is just sweet as can be. Her English is marginal but we manage mostly without Google translate. If you are ever in Madrid I recommend Miss Sushi. Cute decor and vibe but mostly extremely inexpensive. I let her go wild like a kid in a candy store and we ate till stuffed and had leftovers. Including my sake, the bill came to 60€! LOL. Def a bargain. And whoa. Those eyes and that smile. She'the fix them on me and I would melt. Damn I would ALMOST pay for a platonic date with this girl. Just mind boggling.

Back to the room with no pretense. Only downside was she doesn't really drink — neither at dinner or the room and I love a party girl. But such a sweetheart. The sex was decidedly mediocre but not for what you think. I guess super pretty girls have a reputation for starfishing or purposefully slowing the action, but that was not the case here. She was really accommodating and tried really hard but just wasn't very experienced in the sack.

She did love having her tits massaged in circles and several times put her hands over mine to show the motion she likes. I gave her some rip roaring DATY and she was wet on arrival after the tit work tho not excessively so. Gave a credible but not great BJ and light kissing — maybe I should have pushed this more because I had trouble staying hard.

Nonetheless we figured it out, fucked quite a bit, and I ended up finishing by hand, with her on balls (almost all finishes end of week were this way with so much fucking). Honestly tho looking at her eyes and smile as she softly works my balls, encouraging me towards a finish, is a visual I won't soon forget. What an amazing sweet spirit to have packaged in that face and body. Wow. Still amazed a girl with 10 looks can have such a sweet soul. Glad to have met her.

Had the sex been epic I def would have tried to repeat her night 2, but alas it was not and I pinged Valeria who I had been putting off. She was asking around 3 if we were meeting up and I was a bit on the fence. She's clearly a thick girl and I have the Vive option, so just really not sure. I decide to just go explicit — what have I got to lose — and text her that I want to be direct and does she LOVE to kiss and BBBJ because there is a big difference between girls that do and those that don't. She says she loves that and is a very passionate girl. Ok baby it's on!

Less pretext here. She suggests we just get some wine and meet at my room. After walking to two wine shops and the grocery and finding everything closed, I go to the bar downstairs. She sets me up with a bottle of sweet white, an ice bucket and two glasses for only 19€. I love Spain prices! Why the fuck was you running all over town. LOL.

She shows more or less on time and is indeed a thick but well proportioned Colombiana. She speaks considerably less English than I thought since all our dialogue was in English. But this is fun and we laugh in mixed Spanglish and Engspanol as we drink wine together. Honestly a very comfortable vibe from the get go and I realize later we chatted and hour fifteen before getting down to business.

The business is very good, esp compared to Smoke Show. Her tits are fake but not offputting and with deep kissing (great!) and tit massage she is wet as fuck when I reach down and feel her pussy for the first time. I absolutely love when a girl is so hot for you and she wants that dick bad!

Very solid BJ and I love the kissing (only girl out of 9 this trip!) Quality fucking and some nice BJ to finish tho I do need to finish by hand again. Her licking balls which feels amazing. Great date. Amazing face, tier 2 body, and solid service. And another sweet soul. Would def repeat.

I suppose I could be satisfied with that but you know Steve the horndog. It's still early (930?) so I get some great Italian and try an experiment I don't recommend repeating. I've heard Whiskeria Estark is down a notch from Vive but why not just really troll the bottom and go to Whiskeria K2? I will tell you why! Because you can't unsee a couple of fat grammas hitting on you for drinks and sex. OMG. It was sooooo depressing wasn't sure I could get a boner again this decade! So I high tailed it to Vive where indeed I did get a boner again, albeit with a little help.

I do like Vive. High ceilings. Neon. Pretty girls. Not terribly busy at 1030 - maybe 25 ish girls spread about and 10-15 guys? I know better than to settle quickly so I cruised the room a bit. Didn't see too much that would light me up but one cute prospect all by herself. Maybe later. I settled in for a drink.

Well I learned my lesson from last time where I have a massive blank space in my memory. Still not sure if I got roofied, but decided this time to pay close attention to the pour. Glad I did. My Jack and Coke was served in a large bowl glass like you would have Sangria in. And he just kept pouring. Easily 3-4 shots in that one drink. Knowing this I nursed that baby for the next four hours and kept a nice buzz the whole time. A reasonable $20 for what you get.

Got hit on by several girls. A couple sorta cute but not lighting me up and a few no thank you not my type at all. I politely dismissed them all, including those angling for a drink. I wallflowered for quite some time just watching and drinking and deciding whether to make a tour again.

After some time I tour and the girl from earlier has moved to a new spot. She had short hair and is rather pale which is decidedly not my type but there is something about her. When I go to wallflower nearby she fixes me with a heartmelting dick hardening gaze that just slays me and I make the move over to her.

You know sometimes when there is just mad chemistry and it doesn't even make sense but you are just smitten? Yup. Within seconds I am liquid goo. She is half Italian and half Colombian and speaks Italian, Spanish, English, and French. And she is a magnetic party girl who travels the world having a good time. Only her third day here at Vive and moving on to Malta next month.

She convinces me to order her a $50 girls drink. I know the drill now and this does not surprise me. They are vanishingly small but the girl gets a cut so I don't begrudge her this — this is part of Vive and I accept it going in. And the $50 drink comes with private time so it's not really just a drink. We retire to the curtained booth. Very private and they don't disturb you. Lots of sexy dancing and naked tits hands on. Damn fine. She has a huge set of DS that are soft and luscious and downright amazing. A few little cock strokes from her. Enough to get the party started.

Again, there is just something about her. Because when we talk room time she is adamant about condom for BJ and no kissing. And yet I want to go with her! Hahaha. And we have a grand time. She seems a fair girl offering a half at 125 and a full at 250. (Last girl went straight for 250 then sold me half's at 190!) We start with a half which is great because I can sample at low cost. We pay at the desk and off we go.

In the room she is juat as alluring and coquettish as she was in the bar. She's just a sexy minx and knows it. The BJ is shocking good for CBJ with a ton of spit dripping down my balls. She agreed to at least BLS for an extra 50 and glad I did that. That is heavenly.

Quite a lot of good fucking. Doggie (her fave), the Steve (my fave), regular mish, cowgirl. A nice buffet. She's not a clock watcher and pretty sure we run past our time. Unfortunately I don't finish but not for lack of trying. I say let's go back to the club and have a drink and come back for another half hour. She likes this idea.

So we go back up and get another lady drink and hang a bit at the bar. Then we do the curtained room again. In there for surely more than 20 minutes. She offers to just do our time there but I suggest I might need the room to finish unrushed. She is totally cool with that.

Back to the room for round two. A lot more of the same and again a tough finish. I decide maybe her on balls and me on hand but it's not working and I say I want to watch her touch herself. Most girls lie on their back for this and I can usually wank one out watching. But she goes in her purse for the vibrating butt plug and plugs that in her butt and gets in a low doggie twerking position.

Her pussy is aroused and mildly open and pulsating a bit as she twerks. Wow. Very sexy. I feel myself get super hard and sure enough, after a bit, I get off a stunning 8" shot (I usually sorta shoot just a bit or 3" on a good day at my age). All that workout was worth it. She seems VERY pleased to have satisfied her man this time.

We have again run over time but she seems non plussed. She gladly gives me her number and we joke about her becoming my European girlfriend. I could see it happening, even tho she is super pro she's a free spirit. She asks me to text when I am safely on my plane. How sweet. Really dug this girl. Truly a force of nature.

And THAT is my two days in Spain. An interesting mix of amazing looks, excellent and mediocre sex, and some magnetic and sweet souls. All in all a big win! Will be back!

I wasn't able to meet this one. She said on site she was near Medellin but was actually much farther away.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2805851]I wasn't able to meet this one. She said on site she was near Medellin but was actually much farther away.[/QUOTE]Please take this picture down, it gives me PTSD from MDE? The Colombia dudes will probably find her attractive!

Excellent FR! I read every word. I actually enjoy your writing. You write very well.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2805731]Spent a couple great nights in Madrid. Two Seeking Arrangement girls and one Vive girl. All were great experiences in their own way. And a reminder of the wide variation in bedroom skills that can exist.

[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2805894]Excellent FR! I read every word. I actually enjoy your writing. You write very well.

.[/QUOTE]Thanks M. I write my stories as a stream of consciousness right afterwards so they are fresh. I actually rather enjoy writing them and I just write them all top to bottom with a very few edits as I recall details I missed. I really do it for myself. I love going back and reading and reliving these. I've probably re-read just this one 10 times already and relived each moment. Some of my faves like my Vegas Seeking trifecta and the Thifany story I've prob read 50 times and each time I can relive the moments.

But I am glad there are a handful of guys here who also really enjoy them. I love that I can entertain and give back and it's all an important part of my journey. I've ended up compiling them into a book, along with tips for the scene in most industrialized geographies. I've formatted it for publication, and it tips the scales at over 250 pages now. Of course I will never publish it because we certainly don't want wives around the world to know about this secret world we share. Drop me a line if you (or other serious contributors) want a copy.

Best of luck out there in China. It sounds a real mess for girls at this time. Soldier on!

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2805855]Please take this picture down, it gives me PTSD from MDE? The Colombia dudes will probably find her attractive![/QUOTE]Well, there is no doubt. Looks are subjective so in the eyes of some of the Medellin morons she has to be a 10. There are some decent dudes in the forums other than Medellin. The problem with using seeking in Medellin is not that the selection is not good.

Looks wise, it is better than Bogota, but the women tend to be way stuck up. Also if you share anything about how much you paid with the Medellin morons and it was anything more than $10, you are going to get skewered.

None of the Medellin morons has ever spent $100 a month on seeking but they know all about it. In fact, they tout the Colombia cupid and Facebook sites and swear they are as good. Sorry. Is any Colombian going to pay $100 a month to get on seeking? Very few, and that is usually who overwhelmingly is hitting up women for sex.

Hello,

I know this isn't the help desk, but...... I'm reactivating my account after a 6 month absence and having a heck of a time with the 2-step verification they've put in place. At least if you're using a new device. My password is correct, but the verification code never shows up to my account. Has anyone else had similar issues? I tried using the app on my iPhone, but that no longer works (I think Apple removed) so I'm STUCK! I've written two help requests, but they just give me the boiler plate answer that the code must be in my junk or spam folder. The odd thing is that I was getting email notices and marketing emails from Seeking regularly up until mid March, then they stopped. I wonder if there's an issue with the site.

Appreciate any advice or a phone number if you can IM me... I leave for Rio this Thursday and was hoping to use Seeking!

-Chicago.

I no longer enjoy CBJ and CFS. I also do not like PSE anymore, where the gal is acting all slutty. Now, I only enjoy the BB experience, and it has to include passionate DFK and GFE. Anyone else in this boat?

This is why I liked SA, because I could occassionally find this on there. But I am now trying to find PPM arrangments with non-pros and semi-pros on my own, and man, it is a lot of work.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2807308]I no longer enjoy CBJ and CFS. I also do not like PSE anymore, where the gal is acting all slutty. Now, I only enjoy the BB experience, and it has to include passionate DFK and GFE. Anyone else in this boat?

This is why I liked SA, because I could occassionally find this on there. But I am now trying to find PPM arrangments with non-pros and semi-pros on my own, and man, it is a lot of work.[/QUOTE]Me too, I am too old for CFS and I hate obj. I love DATY so I expect obj.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2807308]I no longer enjoy CBJ and CFS. I also do not like PSE anymore, where the gal is acting all slutty. Now, I only enjoy the BB experience, and it has to include passionate DFK and GFE. Anyone else in this boat?

This is why I liked SA, because I could occassionally find this on there. But I am now trying to find PPM arrangments with non-pros and semi-pros on my own, and man, it is a lot of work.[/QUOTE]Yeah it's def a problem that you become jaded. I have such amazing sex and GFE w my home girl Shayla that I find FKK and all a bit disappointing now, where I used to think it was gods gift to man. Def get closer to GFE with Seeking and I've had good success with DFK and BBBJ and even quite a bit of bareback because properly chosen they are just fun horny girls and they are ready to rumble!

(Although you should be able to get BBBJ most venues worldwide IMO).

Absolutely on the same boat.

I used to spend time and money on tnaboard girls in the US earlier. Then, like Steve says, enjoyed FKK thinking it is a gift to man. Then, I really discovered SA (through this forum. Thank you, guys! And got spoiled. GFE, BBBJ, BBFS, DFK, makeout sessions are the only things I enjoy. Come to hate condoms.

Sadly, back in the US and women here kind of are offputting me. Hoping to return to Europe, and get the seeking game back on.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2807308]I no longer enjoy CBJ and CFS. I also do not like PSE anymore, where the gal is acting all slutty. Now, I only enjoy the BB experience, and it has to include passionate DFK and GFE. Anyone else in this boat?

This is why I liked SA, because I could occassionally find this on there. But I am now trying to find PPM arrangments with non-pros and semi-pros on my own, and man, it is a lot of work.[/QUOTE]

Well being jaded sucks. But it means we've tasted the high life! Thank god I get to fuck the likes of Smoke Show, my 9. 5 Rio goddess and my home girl Shayla. Doesn't seem possible. But it is! And it's magical. Thank you Seeking! 🙏127995;.

Absolutely agree with your feelings. I am in same boat. As I am reaching 45, my interests are changing. Now GFE, good connection and passion is more important than just couple hours of sex.

In my recent trip to Mexico city, on the last day when I met my favorite SA girl, we spent all night watching TV and drinking wine with lot of cuddling and kissing on the couch. There was no desire to have hard sex. We had sex only in the morning before she left and that was in shower.

Sounds strange but, I will be visiting Bangkok this summer and already started messaging SA girls, instead of looking for massage parlors and go-go bars.

Plan to take some "couple massages" with SA girls after meeting them and before going to hotel.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2807308]I no longer enjoy CBJ and CFS. I also do not like PSE anymore, where the gal is acting all slutty. Now, I only enjoy the BB experience, and it has to include passionate DFK and GFE. Anyone else in this boat?

This is why I liked SA, because I could occassionally find this on there. But I am now trying to find PPM arrangments with non-pros and semi-pros on my own, and man, it is a lot of work.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pk099;2807573]Absolutely agree with your feelings. I am in same boat. As I am reaching 45, my interests are changing. Now GFE, good connection and passion is more important than just couple hours of sex.[/QUOTE]Depends on who you ask. For guys who want the girlfriend experience it's easy to see why "sugaring" would be preferable over the FKKs. I mean let's call it what it is. It falls within this gray area of dating on the one hand and prostitution on the other. So a monger can go and have all of these "girlfriends" without having to really commit to any of them. What a perfect combination! But for guys like me who don't have a preference for the GFE? The FKKs (and Brazilian termas too) are [B]still[/B] God's gift to mankind. Well maybe the FKKs not so much anymore with their current pricing structure.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2807649]Depends on who you ask. For guys who want the girlfriend experience it's easy to see why "sugaring" would be preferable over the FKKs. I mean let's call it what it is. It falls within this gray area of dating on the one hand and prostitution on the other. So a monger can go and have all of these "girlfriends" without having to really commit to any of them. What a perfect combination! But for guys like me who don't have a preference for the GFE? The FKKs (and Brazilian termas too) are [B]still[/B] God's gift to mankind. Well maybe the FKKs not so much anymore with their current pricing structure.[/QUOTE]IMHO, there is no comparison. I've been in other threads where the guys are protective over subpar girls (UTR threads) and in certain areas, I'm actually surprised that the standard is so low (Orlando). The escorts are either drug addicted, fat, old, dirty, or just untouchable. Win to the SBs.

FKKs are fine. It's a good experience. However, when it comes to having a good night with a pretty girl, that's 99% not a bait and switch or scam, with the high probability that you will probably be banging her at the end of the night, there is little comparison. Of course, there is a caveat if you are not a pump and dump guy (One of the guys told me that he was a pump and dump guy and doesn't spend time with the girl). Then, QVs and def FKKs would be the way to go.

Massage parlors are good too, but I've been turned off recently by the quality and a lack of the massage experience. I'm not really looking to drop 200 for a hh session with a piss poor massage and "please cum fast so I can get to my next client" sex, or a bad CBJ. It seems that the AMPS are cutting to the chase these days. Again SBs win.

Another comparison would be US vs not US, as I've had GFE sessions with escorts in EU that were amazing. Some actually started to give me free sessions and send me digital Christmas cards LOL. Even still, it comes down to what's your pleasure. If you are GFE guy, SBs can't be beat. Even if you are an hour long escort guy, you get more bang for your buck with SBs (same price but more time).

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[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2807765] Even if you are an hour long escort guy, you get more bang for your buck with SBs (same price but more time).[/QUOTE]Yeah but a lot of "pump & dump" guys also like some volume. You discounted or actually didn't address at all how hard it can be to find a quality sugar baby, especially for guys living in the States. Same price but more time is offset by having to spend [B]a hell of a lot more time[/B] just finding a baby you click with. Even Steve acknowledges how much bullshit you have to wade through on a site like SA. With FKKs when you get there the table is set! And all you have to do is run through it! From club to club to club. Next thing you know you've fucked 20+ different girls in 10 days (if you're having a successful trip and I always do)! For hour-long (or even 30 minute) guys our time is valuable and we don't want to spend it wading through fakes, flakes, fraudsters, and scammers to find "the one". Then have to do it all over again when the relationship ends! No, we want to spend our time fucking hot girls, and not have to go through a lot of rigmarole to do it! To each his own.

Wow, I did not realize that there are many others in the same boat as me, just wanting BBFS, BBBJ, DFK, and espeically GFE. But I guess that is why most of us are in this thread. From what I read, it seems like most of us got here in a similar way, we have already had our fill of HJs, pump and dump, experiences, PSE, and hard core pros.

For me, in the beginning, I just couldn't believe that I could pay someone to massage my little brother until I came, I couldn't believe I could pay someone to get naked with me in the sack, I couldn't believe I could pay someone to let me bang them. And many of these someones were either young or attractive, or both. It was amazing. I was probably addicted.

But now, that I have had my fill of many crazy experiences, fun times, lucky finds, and spoiled situations, I am looking for something more.

A couple of days ago, a young hottie from my past suddenly texted me, wanting to see me. I know the drill with her. I would go to her place, shower, and then a quick BBBJ and rushed CFS, without any kissing. And then she would later use that money to party with her friends. She actually introduced many of her friends to me, for the same drill, including her sister, and there were many threesomes too. But I decided to not see her this time, even though she has a solid 8 face and bod.

I recently went to an MP and the provider and I started making out and it was really intense. I would rather see her again, and she was a 6 at best, than go to an MP where I can get a FS quickie with an 8! I kind of cannot believe it.

Hell, I do not even mind if I am simply a favorite customer of a hard core pro. I like that too. After I see a pro a few times, they might even let me bareback them, with intense DFKing. Instead of dirty talk, they will call me their BF or they will tell me that they love me, and this turns me on. There's one pro, after I leave her place, she will yell out of her window to me that she loves me, and so I love seeing her.

I was supposed to go on a business trip and I tried to find someone to stay with me. Someone that I could grab a bite and drink with at the end of the day, and then have a nightcap in the room, followed by drunk bangage, and then falling asleep naked. But could not find someone this time, and so I canceled my trip, even though I know several gals that I could meet for incall, I know some agencies, I know of a few pickup bars that pros go to. I could easily get laid over a dozen times by a dozen different gals on that business trip, but I do not feel like doing it.

All of that said, there is still one BIG problem. I also love strange (new gals). And so, the search and work are harder, and the strike out rate is higher.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2805215]
I spend 2.5% of my income (or 3.5% of post tax). Guess I am being to conservative in spend and worried more than I should about post retirement cash flow.[/QUOTE]I admire the dedication and planning, GFE. Does your planning include dying of Covid, being hit by a truck, or nuclear war with Russia? How about a little closer to home, divorce? Or how about a criminal investigation? We are paying for sex which is illegal right? All the people who do financial planning have it all mapped out and give you words like responsible and pat you on your back for doing so. They talk about your average 11.22% return in the stock market and how to save ETC.

The European perspective is a little different having been through wars. Mark Faber is a Swiss economist who wrote the book Fool's Gold. What he described was that since the year 1000 if you had a 5% return on the equivalent of a penny, you would have more money than is in existence today. If you are living in the USA, what you are seeing is a level of growth and peace not known in the history of the world before. The notion that this is going to stay the same is crazy but the people selling you on "retirement" are doing just that.

And has Warren Buffett retired? Hell no. Why would you retire if you skip to work every day and love what you do like he does? People who retired die on average 3 years sooner than people who keep working. I do not plan on retiring. I plan on cutting back and doing the parts of my job I enjoy the most. If you are looking forward to retirement, then you probably hate your job.

And there is the notion of having $2 million in T bonds with a 5% return and getting $100,000 a year. Well, that is assuming the dollar does not go to shit and inflation is not horrific but even still, does that mean you die with $2 million in the bank? So other people are going to benefit from your hard earned work and not you? Is that what you want? I don't. I want to use my own hard earned money on myself.

When Stephen Pollan wrote the book, Die Broke, he thought it would sell a handful of copies, and it sold tons. The sequel Live Rich is worth reading too.

This is from Amazon: America's most trusted financial advisor comes a comprehensive guide to a new and utterly sane financial choice. In Die Broke, you'll learn that life is a game where the loser gives his money to Uncle Sam at the end. There are four steps to the process:

Quit Today.

No, don't tell your boss to shove it. At least not out loud. But in your head accept that from this day on you're a free agent whose number one workplace priority is your personal bottom line.

Pay Cash.

You should be as conscious of spending as you are of saving. Credit should be a rarely used tool for those few times (buying homes and cars) when paying cash is impossible.

Don't Retire.

Your work life should be a journey up and down hills, rather than a climb up a sheer cliff that ends with a jump into the abyss.

Die Broke.

It sounds terrifying, the one intolerable outcome to your financial life. And yet, in truth, dying broke might be your best option for a life without fear: fear of failure and privation now, fear of impoverishment in the long run.

End of link.

When you think of retirement, you put yourself into this mindset that today you are miserable but long term the sacrifice will be worth it because it will be nirvana later. That is bullshit. Yes, at times, I regret spending money on the hooker who is a loser and spending four figures at a strip club. That stuff is pleasurable in the moment but you often feel badly when you are done. And you could say the same about spending money on drugs. How do you feel when you are done? In contrast with the strippers and hookers, I enjoyed myself with the sugar babies sexually and just hanging out with them, and I have no regrets. They made me happy and vice versa.

To me, if I have enough to pay my expenses and my overall balance sheet is growing, that is all I care about. As long as that is happening, why not spend the rest on what makes me happy?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2807781]
For me, in the beginning, I just couldn't believe that I could pay someone to massage my little brother until I came, I couldn't believe I could pay someone to get naked with me in the sack, I couldn't believe I could pay someone to let me bang them. And many of these someones were either young or attractive, or both. It was amazing. I was probably addicted.[/QUOTE]Yeah, MW, we have been brain washed on that score probably because we were turned down by the hotties when we were younger. At that time the studly muscled men had all the women or said they did and did not want things to change, but things did change as women got older. I and I suspect we were slow to recognize the change.

I was reading this book, The Evolution of Desire: Strategies of Human Mating by David Buss, and the author polled women to see what they wanted, and you know what they really wanted: someone who can provide them resources, has status / is educated, and is older.

There are some primitive impulses with age that have to be overcome. The ideal age for women is 3 to 10 years older per the survey, but I think if a woman felt like you had adequate resources that could change. Ideally a woman wants a guy who can help raise kids even if they do not come out and say it and if you are old but look young and healthy, I think you could get by.

And you know where looks ranked on the scale for what women want? #7. I have often thought that women may have wanted to not show an older man to their younger female friends but often once women got to know me that really was not an issue. Actually a lot of them liked what I had to say because it was not the usual immature BS they and their friends so often hear.

With men, yes looks and health are like #1 through 5 on the list but actually the reason we pick out the most attractive women has to do with health and bearing children. The two most notable qualities I remember are facial symmetry and the right waist to hip ratio, and that ratio was true among all men of all cultures and the symmetry was true for all age ranges.

Most of us probably started with strippers and WGs like I did and graduated to women / SBs who really wanted to hang around me after the deed was done. I was shocked when I mentioned being the BF with one of my SBs and she considered it. I thought she was so out of my league.

Another common mistake guys make is confusing SBs with WGs. Do you know those flings married women have with the Chippendale types? Well, it turns out they are not Chippendale types but women looking for a better deal, and the men they cheat with are men they are actually interested in dating / being married to. Interestingly, unlike men, the women have no guilt when looking for an upgrade BTW.

So maybe there are the P4 P women who are solely interested in money when meeting, but I think other guys underestimate how well we men sniff those types out. If you have been successful with money, you know those who are just looking at you as a paycheck.

A real SB is interested in your being their husband / BF no matter what they say. They will deny it especially if you are married but this guy's research shows something else. And that is why the sex is so much better. There is trust and genuine affection in the relationship.

If women are really interested in resources first, and they are, seeking allows for cutting out the BS. Where else am I going to meet a stunning woman for a 30 minute to 2 hour interview where I can see if she is compatible with me and what I want? Where else have I met beauty contestant winners, lawyers, doctors ETC who cause other men to cream in their pants when they see them?

One poster in the Medellin moron forum said that he thought men were saps using seeking / SA to find the woman of the dreams because he knew better. The seeking women are all P4 P WG types. He had never ponied up the $100 but somehow he knew all about the women on the site, and he felt the poster below really screwed up.

[QUOTE=Davvv100;2807790]6. Mariana (23) $100 When I arrived to medellin and sent her a message. I did not offer any money and she did not ask for anything. We met and had dinner. She was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. She asked me for a one time payment of $100. I was obviously unsure but I wanted her so much that I accepted. We headed to my place and I was short the $ 100. I offered to pay later and she accepted. She offered GFE, BBBJ but no BBFS, I would have to wait for that until the 3rd date. She honored her word and I did not pay her any more money. We spent a whole week together and then another week, and again she did not mention any money. We eventually became so attached that I asked her to be my GF and she accepted. We deleted our SA profiles. We traveled to Cancun and Cartagena. We lived together, We dreamed of getting married and having kids. She met my parents and I met her whole family. 8 or so months later we broke up. It's ok if you mock me but I was so happy and it was so beautiful.[/QUOTE]Yes, another poster actually was sad for this guy Davv.

Once you accept what women really want and tune out all the fools, it is easy to believe that you can find these women. MW, you are a good provider of resources. Why wouldn't the women want you?

I've been financially fortunate in my life. I make more than I ever thought I was going to, and when I run models on my investments it seems clear that I will retire early with more money than I can responsibly spend in my life.

Once I realized this years ago my perspective on this little hobby changed. And life. People save to retire so they can be free one day. But I realized that I have another cost in my life. The opportunity cost of time. Nobody rewards you for over saving. And you can't take it with you.

The biggest regret in life will surely be not doing the things you wanted to do. And I want to do this. So I do whenever I can.

The only thing that throttles me is being married. I have to keep the cash outflow to a below the radar level. Which is still quite high. But here's the interesting part. I don't wish my wife were out of the way. Actually I think the one thing standing between me and self destruction is having someone I need to be attentive to and responsible to. I'd otherwise just spend every 4 weeks in Thailand doing stupid shit and ruining my body.

I suspect others of you are in the same boat as me.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2808029]I admire the dedication and planning, GFE. Does your planning include dying of Covid, being hit by a truck, or nuclear war with Russia? How about a little closer to home, divorce? Or how about a criminal investigation? We are paying for sex which is illegal right? All the people who do financial planning have it all mapped out and give you words like responsible and pat you on your back for doing so. They talk about your average 11.22% return in the stock market and how to save ETC.

The European perspective is a little different having been through wars. Mark Faber is a Swiss economist who wrote the book Fool's Gold. What he described was that since the year 1000 if you had a 5% return on the equivalent of a penny, you would have more money than is in existence today. If you are living in the USA, what you are seeing is a level of growth and peace not known in the history of the world before. The notion that this is going to stay the same is crazy but the people selling you on "retirement" are doing just that.

And has Warren Buffett retired? Hell no. Why would you retire if you skip to work every day and love what you do like he does? People who retired die on average 3 years sooner than people who keep working. I do not plan on retiring.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2808029]I admire the dedication and planning, GFE. Does your planning include dying of Covid, being hit by a truck, or nuclear war with Russia? How about a little closer to home, divorce? Or how about a criminal investigation? We are paying for sex which is illegal right? All the people who do financial planning have it all mapped out and give you words like responsible and pat you on your back for doing so. They talk about your average 11.22% return in the stock market and how to save ETC.

The European perspective is a little different having been through wars. Mark Faber is a Swiss economist who wrote the book Fool's Gold. What he described was that since the year 1000 if you had a 5% return on the equivalent of a penny, you would have more money than is in existence today. If you are living in the USA, what you are seeing is a level of growth and peace not known in the history of the world before. The notion that this is going to stay the same is crazy but the people selling you on "retirement" are doing just that.

And has Warren Buffett retired? Hell no. Why would you retire if you skip to work every day and love what you do like he does? People who retired die on average 3 years sooner than people who keep working. I do not plan on retiring. I plan on cutting back and doing the parts of my job I enjoy the most. If you are looking forward to retirement, then you probably hate your job.

And there is the notion of having $2 million in T bonds with a 5% return and getting $100,000 a year. Well, that is assuming the dollar does not go to shit and inflation is not horrific but even still, does that mean you die with $2 million in the bank? So other people are going to benefit from your hard earned work and not you? Is that what you want? I don't. I want to use my own hard earned money on myself.

When Stephen Pollan wrote the book, Die Broke, he thought it would sell a handful of copies, and it sold tons. The sequel Live Rich is worth reading too.

This is from Amazon: America's most trusted financial advisor comes a comprehensive guide to a new and utterly sane financial choice. In Die Broke, you'll learn that life is a game where the loser gives his money to Uncle Sam at the end. There are four steps to the process:

Quit Today.

No, don't tell your boss to shove it. At least not out loud. But in your head accept that from this day on you're a free agent whose number one workplace priority is your personal bottom line.

Pay Cash.

You should be as conscious of spending as you are of saving. Credit should be a rarely used tool for those few times (buying homes and cars) when paying cash is impossible.

Don't Retire.

Your work life should be a journey up and down hills, rather than a climb up a sheer cliff that ends with a jump into the abyss.

Die Broke.

It sounds terrifying, the one intolerable outcome to your financial life. And yet, in truth, dying broke might be your best option for a life without fear: fear of failure and privation now, fear of impoverishment in the long run.

End of link.

When you think of retirement, you put yourself into this mindset that today you are miserable but long term the sacrifice will be worth it because it will be nirvana later. That is bullshit. Yes, at times, I regret spending money on the hooker who is a loser and spending four figures at a strip club. That stuff is pleasurable in the moment but you often feel badly when you are done. And you could say the same about spending money on drugs. How do you feel when you are done? In contrast with the strippers and hookers, I enjoyed myself with the sugar babies sexually and just hanging out with them, and I have no regrets. They made me happy and vice versa.

To me, if I have enough to pay my expenses and my overall balance sheet is growing, that is all I care about. As long as that is happening, why not spend the rest on what makes me happy?[/QUOTE]You can shoot to die broke only if you have no wife and children that you want to pass onto.

The other issue is that it is not an easy skating to the location of the puck. You don't know when you might die exactly. Spend too fast, you will go broke too soon and spend the last years of life as a hobo or worse yet forced to get back to work into a job not suited for your skills and at a pay much less than what you could make. Japan is already in this situation. A number of retirees are being forced to get back to work or partial work to pay for living expenses as they are living too long and their finances are broke.

If you are too conservative in your spending habits, you will die with money left in the bank as you stated astutely.

The last few years of your life are hard to model accurately. Your expenses and desire to spend do not scale linearly. By several calculations, healthcare spend rises very non linearly in the last years. Especially if you have serious diseases like cancer or need skilled home, nursing room, hospice care. Also, you may not have the same desire to fuck and splurge and gain the same enjoyment from other activities as you did when you were younger. Already in my mid 40's I enjoy alcohol much less than I used to, and work stress and other issues mean it also gives much more heartburn. Not worth it except an occasional drink with Co workers or at business events. I wonder if my sex drive slows down as well. Probably has already. The anticipation of fucking a new SB or walking into an FKK to bang a few is not the same as when I was in 30's.

Finally, even the money management is not an easy task. You can obtain 5% only on the short term bonds if you buy today. In 3 months you have to roll it again at whatever rates prevailing then. If you go out farther on the duration curve, you can lock in rates but at lower levels. If you get lucky and inflation is less than expected your long term bonds will appreciate but if you are unlucky and inflation is higher than expected, your holdings will lose value if you sell them. You can hold them till maturity and collect the guaranteed coupon but obviously since inflation is higher than expected in this scenario, the real value of your coupon is not what it was supposed to be. You can also of course buy stocks but they have a totally different risk profile altogether including being substantially less when you need to cash out.

I agree with trying to work as long as you can. It is good for health (assuming you are not a manual worker and your physical health impacted due to heavy lifting etc; I doubt too many Sugar daddies are in this category) and keeps you motivated in life for more than just money. The status you have in life, the satisfaction of keeping the brain sharp and competing with younger folks is not something you can understinate.

Do you guys send pictures to seeking girls before meeting? If yes, what if the girl expose you on of the are we dating the same guy FB group?

Great post.

Spot on. It really underscores the tension between living in the present and preparing for the future. It's not a simple algorithm.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2808373]You can shoot to die broke only if you have no wife and children that you want to pass onto.

The other issue is that it is not an easy skating to the location of the puck. You don't know when you might die exactly. Spend too fast, you will go broke too soon and spend the last years of life as a hobo or worse yet forced to get back to work into a job not suited for your skills and at a pay much less than what you could make. Japan is already in this situation. A number of retirees are being forced to get back to work or partial work to pay for living expenses as they are living too long and their finances are broke.

If you are too conservative in your spending habits, you will die with money left in the bank as you stated astutely..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2782507]
Remember girls are submissive and will largely follow your lead even if that lead is to the hotel room.[/QUOTE]Sure, but do not give her the gift / allowance before you are in the hotel room. Just in case.

SA is a pain in the ass trying find a good match and can take a while but when it happens it's amazing. Found a newbie and we met quickly which is key. During the meet and greet she seemed genuine and sincere and looked good. Thin with a nice ass for a MILF from Sinaloa.

However she had the flu so we didn't do anything and confirmed our chemistry and connection for a definite 2nd meet at a hotel.

A week later we met in centro on Revo and 4th at the baristi cafe, my ground zero for meetups, and I took her to the Pueblo Amigo hotel. For the next 2 hours we had the most decadent passionate sex I've had in months.

It was full on DFK, BBBJ, DATY, true GFE and PSE. She has the smoothest olive skin with hazel eyes, thin waist, and an amazing irresistible ass.

It's been harder and harder to find these gems in SA Tijuana to agree to my program for 2 hours X $200 but when it happens it's exquisite.

[QUOTE=DosLunas;2808849]SA is a pain in the ass trying find a good match and can take a while but when it happens it's amazing. Found a newbie and we met quickly which is key. During the meet and greet she seemed genuine and sincere and looked good. Thin with a nice ass for a MILF from Sinaloa.

However she had the flu so we didn't do anything and confirmed our chemistry and connection for a definite 2nd meet at a hotel.

A week later we met in centro on Revo and 4th at the baristi cafe, my ground zero for meetups, and I took her to the Pueblo Amigo hotel. For the next 2 hours we had the most decadent passionate sex I've had in months.

It was full on DFK, BBBJ, DATY, true GFE and PSE. She has the smoothest olive skin with hazel eyes, thin waist, and an amazing irresistible ass.

It's been harder and harder to find these gems in SA Tijuana to agree to my program for 2 hours X $200 but when it happens it's exquisite.[/QUOTE]Forgot to add a pic of my recent trip report for the visuals.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2808083]
If women are really interested in resources first, and they are, seeking allows for cutting out the BS. Where else am I going to meet a stunning woman for a 30 minute to 2 hour interview where I can see if she is compatible with me and what I want? Where else have I met beauty contestant winners, lawyers, doctors ETC who cause other men to cream in their pants when they see them?

Once you accept what women really want and tune out all the fools, it is easy to believe that you can find these women. MW, you are a good provider of resources. Why wouldn't the women want you?[/QUOTE]Two of my current SBs are Maya and Tea Gal.

Maya is someone I met several years ago. Long story short, we flirted, we hooked up, and then I became her BF / SD. Gave her a monthly allowance of $1200 per month. I was in heaven. She was super hot, great bod, and very, very GFE both in and out of the bedroom. But one day she got mad at me about something silly and dumped me. A little over two years later, she starts texting me suddenly, saying how she remembers our good times together. But I know she is desperate for money because she's been in and out of a job for the past two years due to China's zero Covid policies. And right now, she is only working part time, doing nails and eye lashes at a beauty salon. Well, surprise, surprise, we are now back together. Gee, I wonder why. And every time we meet (and this time I am going with PPM, as I now think montly allowance is a horrible idea), the sessions are great, can last for as long as I want them too, and it is very, very GFE, like old times.

Tea Gal serves tea in a tea house, and I met her about three or four years ago. She giggled at all my jokes, and so I got her contact and chatted her up for a week or two and then asked her to be my GF. She asked me what that entailed, and I explicitly told her it is a PPM arrangement. Well, she absolutely scoffed at that. I kept begging, and eventually she deleted my contact. I keep sending her friend requests to re-add my contact, but she ignores them. About a year goes by, and one day she suddenly accepts my friend invitation and we are chat buddies again, but I soon start asking her to my GF again and and keeps scoffing at it. But then, she too is in and out of work during China's zero Covid policies. Then a few days ago, she texts me and asks me why I have not texted her lately. I simply asked if we can meet at my apartment (I am currently renting an apartment to take gals to), and, as usual, she says no, but after some back and forth, she finally agrees as long as I am gentle, nice, and kind. I said sure. Next day, we meet, and wow, it was worth the wait gentlemen. Mid-20's, pretty face, fun personality, and an amazing bod. And it was very, very GFE.

And now, I text back and forth with them all day, every day, just talking about stuff. I am planning / hoping that I can meet them about 3 times per month, each. That should be enough for me.

Am I lucky to have Maya and Tea Gal? Yes. But are they my GF / SB because I can provide for them? Yes to that too.

Not all women care about age. Most of them looking for good life and easy money.

Came across this video, where a 63 yr old guy found a 23 year old SB on Tinder and they are together for 3 months. The SB ID so hot and still she is very down to earth and have no issues with age of her SD.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CoznXCSpgY&t=267s[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2808083]Yeah, MW, we have been brain washed on that score probably because we were turned down by the hotties when we were younger. At that time the studly muscled men had all the women or said they did and did not want things to change, but things did change as women got older. I and I suspect we were slow to recognize the change.

I was reading this book, The Evolution of Desire: Strategies of Human Mating by David Buss, and the author polled women to see what they wanted, and you know what they really wanted: someone who can provide them resources, has status / is educated, and is older.

There are some primitive impulses with age that have to be overcome. The ideal age for women is 3 to 10 years older per the survey, but I think if a woman felt like you had adequate resources that could change. Ideally a woman wants a guy who can help raise kids even if they do not come out and say it and if you are old but look young and healthy, I think you could get by.

And you know where looks ranked on the scale for what women want? #7. I have often thought that women may have wanted to not show an older man to their younger female friends but often once women got to know me that really was not an issue. Actually a lot of them liked what I had to say because it was not the usual immature BS they and their friends so often hear.

With men, yes looks and health are like #1 through 5 on the list but actually the reason we pick out the most attractive women has to do with health and bearing children. The two most notable qualities I remember are facial symmetry and the right waist to hip ratio, and that ratio was true among all men of all cultures and the symmetry was true for all age ranges.

Most of us probably started with strippers and WGs like I did and graduated to women / SBs who really wanted to hang around me after the deed was done. I was shocked when I mentioned being the BF with one of my SBs and she considered it. I thought she was so out of my league.

Another common mistake guys make is confusing SBs with WGs. Do you know those flings married women have with the Chippendale types? Well, it turns out they are not Chippendale types but women looking for a better deal, and the men they cheat with are men they are actually interested in dating / being married to. Interestingly, unlike men, the women have no guilt when looking for an upgrade BTW.

So maybe there are the P4 P women who are solely interested in money when meeting, but I think other guys underestimate how well we men sniff those types out. If you have been successful with money, you know those who are just looking at you as a paycheck.

A real SB is interested in your being their husband / BF no matter what they say. They will deny it especially if you are married but this guy's research shows something else. And that is why the sex is so much better. There is trust and genuine affection in the relationship.

If women are really interested in resources first, and they are, seeking allows for cutting out the BS. Where else am I going to meet a stunning woman for a 30 minute to 2 hour interview where I can see if she is compatible with me and what I want? Where else have I met beauty contestant winners, lawyers, doctors ETC who cause other men to cream in their pants when they see them?

One poster in the Medellin moron forum said that he thought men were saps using seeking / SA to find the woman of the dreams because he knew better. The seeking women are all P4 P WG types. He had never ponied up the $100 but somehow he knew all about the women on the site, and he felt the poster below really screwed up.

Yes, another poster actually was sad for this guy Davv.

Once you accept what women really want and tune out all the fools, it is easy to believe that you can find these women. MW, you are a good provider of resources. Why wouldn't the women want you?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pk099;2809240]Not all women care about age. Most of them looking for good life and easy money.

Came across this video, where a 63 yr old guy found a 23 year old SB on Tinder and they are together for 3 months. The SB ID so hot and still she is very down to earth and have no issues with age of her SD.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CoznXCSpgY&t=267s[/URL][/QUOTE]That is totally not unusual at all. I am nearly that age and my home SB / mistress was 24 when we met and now 25. She doesn't see age at all that I can tell. She unabashedly introduces me to her friends as "my boyfriend Steve" and I hang out and play pool and smoke / drink with them from time to time. She's of course a gem but I don't think it's that uncommon.

I read an article in Wired a couple years ago that said about 50% of women want to date their own age (+10) and 35% don't really care too much about age and 15% strongly prefer a much older / wiser (and richer no doubt) man. No question most good SBs either look past or don't see the 35 year age gap as an issue.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2809186]Two of my current SBs are Maya and Tea Gal.

Maya is someone I met several years ago. Long story short, we flirted, we hooked up, and then I became her BF / SD. Gave her a monthly allowance of $1200 per month. I was in heaven. She was super hot, great bod, and very, very GFE both in and out of the bedroom. But one day she got mad at me about something silly and dumped me. A little over two years later, she starts texting me suddenly, saying how she remembers our good times together. But I know she is desperate for money because she's been in and out of a job for the past two years due to China's zero Covid policies. And right now, she is only working part time, doing nails and eye lashes at a beauty salon. Well, surprise, surprise, we are now back together. Gee, I wonder why. And every time we meet (and this time I am going with PPM, as I now think montly allowance is a horrible idea), the sessions are great, can last for as long as I want them too, and it is very, very GFE, like old times.

Tea Gal serves tea in a tea house, and I met her about three or four years ago. She giggled at all my jokes, and so I got her contact and chatted her up for a week or two and then asked her to be my GF. She asked me what that entailed, and I explicitly told her it is a PPM arrangement. Well, she absolutely scoffed at that. I kept begging, and eventually she deleted my contact. I keep sending her friend requests to re-add my contact, but she ignores them. About a year goes by, and one day she suddenly accepts my friend invitation and we are chat buddies again, but I soon start asking her to my GF again and and keeps scoffing at it. But then, she too is in and out of work during China's zero Covid policies. Then a few days ago, she texts me and asks me why I have not texted her lately. I simply asked if we can meet at my apartment (I am currently renting an apartment to take gals to), and, as usual, she says no, but after some back and forth, she finally agrees as long as I am gentle, nice, and kind. I said sure. Next day, we meet, and wow, it was worth the wait gentlemen. Mid-20's, pretty face, fun personality, and an amazing bod. And it was very, very GFE.

And now, I text back and forth with them all day, every day, just talking about stuff. I am planning / hoping that I can meet them about 3 times per month, each. That should be enough for me.

Am I lucky to have Maya and Tea Gal? Yes. But are they my GF / SB because I can provide for them? Yes to that too.[/QUOTE]MW you and I been at this game a while. Warms my heart that the forum originator (u!) is still killing it with the ladies. I love that you have two regs and they completely meet your needs. They get what they want and you get what you want. And haters can hate all they want but those of us here know is it's about more than the money. These girls have a huge selection of men to choose from. And they chose you! It's not just dollars and cents. Or Yuan. You da man. And these ladies know it!

Actually come to think of it my London SB who I had ghosted got in touch via CashApp (sent me 1£ clever girl) and said she wanted to reconnect if only platonically. Said she missed chatting with me. So we are back to chatting daily and may hookup when I am next in London (I explained why I ghosted her and we cleared the air). Anyhow that def seems living proof that it’s about more than $£€¥.

[QUOTE=Pk099;2809240]Not all women care about age. Most of them looking for good life and easy money.

Came across this video, where a 63 yr old guy found a 23 year old SB on Tinder and they are together for 3 months. The SB ID so hot and still she is very down to earth and have no issues with age of her SD.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CoznXCSpgY&t=267s[/URL][/QUOTE]Here is the two without the often nauseating commentary [URL]https://www.tiktok.com/discover/Cowboy-and-Angel?lang=en[/URL].

I have more to say about the commentator Paige Jennings than the couple, and she is a little better looking than I thought. LOL. She is here, [URL]https://twitter.com/rhrpaige[/URL].

This chick is narcissist like, and she is sticking out her ass everywhere, and it looks she has butt implants. It reminds me of an ex.

Any guy shelling out the kind of money for that gal Paige does not know what the hell they are doing. What is dumb about her is that she is pedaling these videos. She is an ex-stripper, and she is bringing a stripper attitude to the SB-SD game that is such a turn off. Every woman I have had that says they are good at something is at best average at it. I want the women who perform well and are humble about it.

I would make a comment about her going on too much about this couple's materialism but the couple's videos are promoting it.

Paige says, "I don't judge" when all she is doing is judging. The irony with Paige is when she gets away from herself she has some interesting things to say. All the guys who says we are too old should go to the 5 minute mark in the video. Yes, that is very often what dating guys her own age is like, and that is what having sex with them so often is.

Paige says the couple is not going to work out because of the hateful commentary. Maybe that is true, but the couple invites it. Their videos are not about sharing their life but rubbing in your face how much better they are than you. It is the social media equivalent of "look at me". They are inviting criticism.

The reason I do not think they are going to make it is because of the lack of respect they have for each other. With him, it is all about how hot she is and with her, it is all about the money and the fun. That is going to wear out after another few months and then it is if you really like spending time with the person. Maybe there is more there but I do not see it.

With the closet, this girl Willow takes up 90% of it and IMO she shows how selfish she is. My gal gave me half and I didn't say anything. My gal does not care if she flies first class, private jet, or middle row because her primary concern is being with me. Steve mentions that his gal loves doing the Netflix and chill thing and so does mine. That is what I want, and I think what most guys want, a woman who really likes being with you for you and not just what you can do for them. With this girl Paige, and I suspect this girl Willow, it seems like it is all you can do for them that is important.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2809330]MW you and I been at this game a while. Warms my heart that the forum originator (u!) is still killing it with the ladies. I love that you have two regs and they completely meet your needs. They get what they want and you get what you want. And haters can hate all they want but those of us here know is it's about more than the money. These girls have a huge selection of men to choose from. And they chose you! It's not just dollars and cents. Or Yuan. You da man. And these ladies know it!

Actually come to think of it my London SB who I had ghosted got in touch via CashApp (sent me 1 clever girl) and said she wanted to reconnect if only platonically. Said she missed chatting with me. So we are back to chatting daily and may hookup when I am next in London (I explained why I ghosted her and we cleared the air). Anyhow that def seems living proof that its about more than $.[/QUOTE]Guys, well said. What we get back in return, from the girls on SA, you can not put a price tag on. Banging hot young girls, in my fifties is a dream come true. I read these guys complaining about our lives, I just shake my head, they really do not know what they are missing. I use to argue with them, but no more just a big waste of time.

SA is an amazing experience especially in foreign countries.

Hello folks,

Thanks to this thread and all the recommendations, I recently signed up for SA. I will be going to Barcelona in summer, so started reaching out to some SBs. Since I'm very new to this, can someone experienced help me figure out the normal going rate for SBs in Barcelona? A ballpark amount is good enough. Any other tips? I'll be staying in a hotel, likely in the touristy area in BCN. Any specific hotels you recommend for both SB and WG visits?

Thank you so much!

Navarro has good hotels. But you will be fine with most hotels in BCN.

I did 200 for few hours and 300 for full evening / night. Girls were super happy with it. These are girls that value quality if time and how we treat them (respectfully).

There were girls demanding 100 to meet or 1000 for the night. I usually block them. So, you do have a broad spectrum out there. Pick what suits you.

If you speak local language, your options are higher.

[QUOTE=Intelligencium;2809933]Hello folks,

Thanks to this thread and all the recommendations, I recently signed up for SA. I will be going to Barcelona in summer, so started reaching out to some SBs. Since I'm very new to this, can someone experienced help me figure out the normal going rate for SBs in Barcelona? A ballpark amount is good enough. Any other tips? I'll be staying in a hotel, likely in the touristy area in BCN. Any specific hotels you recommend for both SB and WG visits?

Thank you so much![/QUOTE]

Thanks Gfefan. I'm starting to chat with a few (and they sound interested). When do you initiate price discussion? And when do you usually pay? After the deed? Or before, but once you are in the room?

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2810120]Navarro has good hotels. But you will be fine with most hotels in BCN.

I did 200 for few hours and 300 for full evening / night. Girls were super happy with it. These are girls that value quality if time and how we treat them (respectfully).

There were girls demanding 100 to meet or 1000 for the night. I usually block them. So, you do have a broad spectrum out there. Pick what suits you.

If you speak local language, your options are higher.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Intelligencium;2810146]Thanks Gfefan. I'm starting to chat with a few (and they sound interested). When do you initiate price discussion? And when do you usually pay? After the deed? Or before, but once you are in the room?[/QUOTE]First. Never ever discuss price on Seeking.This can get u banned for life cuz it smacks of prostitution which is illegal in many geographies and Seeking would get shut down. Always suggest talking on WhatsApp and discuss there. And try not to make it so transactional this is less important internationally but key in states. Like don't say we will have sex. Or I'll pay you $400. Be more indirect. Like "if we go out and have a great time and spend private time together, I'the want to give you a gift / allowance". That kind of thing.

Never ever pay up front. Actually what I do (learned this from briefly playing the pro scene in US) is put the $$ in an envelope and put it in plain sight under the ice bucket or lamp or something. Afterwards I slip it in their purse where they can see it or put it with their purse. Girls seem to really appreciate that you are not just handing them cash. Occasionally a girl will ask to pay up front. You should stick to your guns here and say I always pay after. Don't worry it's right there and point to the envelope. This is usually sufficient. Insistence on up front is a bad sign that the in room experience is about to suck. LOL.

One nice touch is not to just hand over cash in an envelope. Include a nice card to go along with the money. This will allow your SB to feel less like a prostitute. This is important when dealing with non-pros.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2810276]First. Never ever discuss price on Seeking.This can get u banned for life cuz it smacks of prostitution which is illegal in many geographies and Seeking would get shut down. [/QUOTE]They "suspended my account" for life because I responded to a woman who talked about price and she turned me in. Now I have to get a new credit card and make a new fake email account, and get a new google phone number to get back on.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2810276]First. Never ever discuss price on Seeking.[/QUOTE]I guess that's why most girls move to WhatsApp as soon as they see potential.

There's a girl who is willing to travel with me. Anyone done anything like that? How does that work? Is she expecting allowance along with flight, hotel, food expenses (that I will of course cover for both of us)? I prefer not to send money for her to travel to me, and rather meet at a common place and then go together. Haven't started discussing details yet, just doing homework here.

[QUOTE=Intelligencium;2810444]I guess that's why most girls move to WhatsApp as soon as they see potential.

There's a girl who is willing to travel with me. Anyone done anything like that? How does that work? Is she expecting allowance along with flight, hotel, food expenses (that I will of course cover for both of us)? I prefer not to send money for her to travel to me, and rather meet at a common place and then go together. Haven't started discussing details yet, just doing homework here.[/QUOTE]This won't end well. Trust me. She's not going to buy her own ticket. And you don't know her from fuckall. This can only end with your money in her pocket. Only travel a girl you know well! And even then it can backfire. I'm 5 for 6 but yeah one was a bad bust heartbroken mess and I thought I knew her well. But never travel a girl you don't know. Never.

P.S. Surely there are good girls wherever you are going?

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2810343]They "suspended my account" for life because I responded to a woman who talked about price and she turned me in. Now I have to get a new credit card and make a new fake email account, and get a new google phone number to get back on.[/QUOTE]You can download the seeking android app from the play store and pay with your old credit card or PayPal. I used my phone number from my blocked account. Downside is you cannot use the easily found, by searching on google, 20% off coupon.

[URL]www.privacy.com[/URL] is another option if you do not want to get another credit card.

I've been on Seeking for over a year. Friggin love it. My account is probably getting stale now that it is over a year old. Frankly I don't even reach out to girls whose accounts are that old because they look like escorts and I'm sure I look like a john. I mean I guess I am but that's a different story.

I think I heard that Seeking can tell if you've created another account and they ban you for life. Like they can tell from your browser or facial recognition or something. I use a VPN, private browser, and prepaid card. But every once in a while I search without my VPN just because I forget to turn it on.

Also I want to lower my age on my profile.

Anyone find issues setting up and using multiple accounts? I see girls do it at times so I kind of think it must be ok?

[QUOTE=Rosebud1;2810608]You can download the seeking android app from the play store and pay with your old credit card or PayPal. I used my phone number from my blocked account. Downside is you cannot use the easily found, by searching on google, 20% off coupon.

[URL]www.privacy.com[/URL] is another option if you do not want to get another credit card.[/QUOTE]So I've recently tried to renew my SA account with a Secure Spend Prepaid VISA card (used to be called One Vanilla). It isn't working now and the help line hasn't been helpful. The only thing I'm trying to do is not connect my real name with the SA account (fears of an Ashley Madison breakdown), not trying to out-sleuth first-world state surveillance powers. The [URL]privacy.com[/URL] option sounds intriguing. How does that work? TIA, CR.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2810478]This won't end well. Trust me. ......

P.S. Surely there are good girls wherever you are going?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice! I am not going to proceed then. Yes, there are good girls where I am going (mostly). I was also hoping to step outside of major cities and visit some Alps destinations. Was thinking of getting company for that part of the trip. But I think I am getting greedy. Will be good to be alone for that part of the trip.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2810657]I've been on Seeking for over a year. Friggin love it. My account is probably getting stale now that it is over a year old. Frankly I don't even reach out to girls whose accounts are that old because they look like escorts and I'm sure I look like a john. I mean I guess I am but that's a different story.

I think I heard that Seeking can tell if you've created another account and they ban you for life. Like they can tell from your browser or facial recognition or something. I use a VPN, private browser, and prepaid card. But every once in a while I search without my VPN just because I forget to turn it on.

Also I want to lower my age on my profile.

Anyone find issues setting up and using multiple accounts? I see girls do it at times so I kind of think it must be ok?[/QUOTE]I have had multiple accounts in the past, one paid, one unpaid (for browsing purposes), without issue. But SA's algorithms and tracking methods are quite sophisticated from what I've read, so I don't doubt they know the two accounts are the same owner. There are more detailed explanations on the various city forums (Richmond, VA's especially) and I'm no IT expert, but if you're banned, it takes quite a bit more effort than just using a VPN, scrubbing cookries, and new photos to outwit the security measures. Best thing is to avoid the problem in the first place of course, by taking conversations off site as soon as possible. I also delete / block messages I receive that cross the line. SA doesn't give a damn about any individual paying user. They seem to default to permanent instant banning on any complaint, with no chance of stating your case. I think their number one concern is keeping the gravy train running as long as possible before it inevitably is rolled up. On a related note, I had a burner phone app ban me with no explanation or recourse. Lost years of messages and contacts. I presume it was over a complaint from a jilted POT I didn't pursue.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2810657]I've been on Seeking for over a year. Friggin love it. My account is probably getting stale now that it is over a year old. Frankly I don't even reach out to girls whose accounts are that old because they look like escorts and I'm sure I look like a john. I mean I guess I am but that's a different story.

I think I heard that Seeking can tell if you've created another account and they ban you for life. Like they can tell from your browser or facial recognition or something. I use a VPN, private browser, and prepaid card. But every once in a while I search without my VPN just because I forget to turn it on.

Also I want to lower my age on my profile.

Anyone find issues setting up and using multiple accounts? I see girls do it at times so I kind of think it must be ok?[/QUOTE]I actually set up a girl account just to see what they see. It's a bit too spooky tho trolling thru the desperate hoards of men. Didn't stay on very long. It freaked me out a bit. LOL.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2810276]First. Never ever discuss price on Seeking.This can get u banned for life cuz it smacks of prostitution which is illegal in many geographies and Seeking would get shut down. Always suggest talking on WhatsApp and discuss there. And try not to make it so transactional this is less important internationally but key in states. Like don't say we will have sex. Or I'll pay you $400. Be more indirect. Like "if we go out and have a great time and spend private time together, I'the want to give you a gift / allowance". That kind of thing.

Never ever pay up front. Actually what I do (learned this from briefly playing the pro scene in US) is put the $$ in an envelope and put it in plain sight under the ice bucket or lamp or something. Afterwards I slip it in their purse where they can see it or put it with their purse. Girls seem to really appreciate that you are not just handing them cash. Occasionally a girl will ask to pay up front. You should stick to your guns here and say I always pay after. Don't worry it's right there and point to the envelope. This is usually sufficient. Insistence on up front is a bad sign that the in room experience is about to suck. LOL.[/QUOTE]+1.

Good suggestions, all of them.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2810343]They "suspended my account" for life because I responded to a woman who talked about price and she turned me in. Now I have to get a new credit card and make a new fake email account, and get a new google phone number to get back on.[/QUOTE]For some reason, SA is tougher on new accounts. My account is over 6+ years old. I don't discuss price as a rule but I slipped and have discussed to some extent occasionally in the past such as "I do give allowance" or "my allowance is typically a few hundred a week ". They never banned me. Perhaps no girl ever reported me on that issue, which helps. I did have problems with a few girls here and there, they blocked me or I blocked them, some harsh words were said but was not a problem. But that said, it is absolutely a good rule to not discuss pricing on the forum especially not as a transactional price for something in return.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2810657]I've been on Seeking for over a year. Friggin love it. My account is probably getting stale now that it is over a year old. Frankly I don't even reach out to girls whose accounts are that old because they look like escorts and I'm sure I look like a john. I mean I guess I am but that's a different story.

I think I heard that Seeking can tell if you've created another account and they ban you for life. Like they can tell from your browser or facial recognition or something. I use a VPN, private browser, and prepaid card. But every once in a while I search without my VPN just because I forget to turn it on.

Also I want to lower my age on my profile.

Anyone find issues setting up and using multiple accounts? I see girls do it at times so I kind of think it must be ok?[/QUOTE]More than tunes, it is the fakers who get to me in a bad way. I hate having to wade through hundreds of fake profiles to find a few genuine girls. 6 years ago SA was not this well known and guys and gals were mostly genuine. Now, I think the fake profile percent is very high. Kinda sad but not unexpected for any popular site.

[QUOTE=Intelligencium;2810444]There's a girl who is willing to travel with me. Anyone done anything like that? How does that work? Is she expecting allowance along with flight, hotel, food expenses (that I will of course cover for both of us)? I prefer not to send money for her to travel to me, and rather meet at a common place and then go together. Haven't started discussing details yet, just doing homework here.[/QUOTE]I took a girl from seeking to Vegas a couple years ago. I was twice her age, she was 27 and I was 65 m ok, I was about 3 times her age. Immediately the airline stewardess started looking at us funny, like I was trafficking her. The girl got an attitude and clammed up. Trip was hostile for all 3 days. I do not recommend travel with these hoors. They will turn on you if you don't spend enough money on them, and its all in their mind how much you must give them or spend on them. My advice, don't do it.

My advice. Definitely do not do it in the US. In or out or within.

Can't speak for Latin America but in Europe, I did. But, Steve's point is spot on. Do not ever send money. I never did that.

My girl from BCN. We met, we had amazing chemistry when I traveled to BCN. We did that few times and then, I booked her a flight (but borrowed Credit card from a friend to put distance on record). Then, for the safety of my friend, we complained "I don't recognize this transaction".

Bottomline: too many things to take care of. But, I did that only because I knew the girl really well and we had epic time (sex and otherwise) for the 4 days she was with me.

And, no. I did not pay for time. I paid for her food, travel and all together activity expenses. She went for a music event while I was at work and she paid herself. Super nice girl. She refused to take that money when I gave her.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2810763]I took a girl from seeking to Vegas a couple years ago. I was twice her age, she was 27 and I was 65 m ok, I was about 3 times her age. Immediately the airline stewardess started looking at us funny, like I was trafficking her. The girl got an attitude and clammed up. Trip was hostile for all 3 days. I do not recommend travel with these hoors. They will turn on you if you don't spend enough money on them, and its all in their mind how much you must give them or spend on them. My advice, don't do it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2810763]I took a girl from seeking to Vegas a couple years ago. I was twice her age, she was 27 and I was 65 m ok, I was about 3 times her age. Immediately the airline stewardess started looking at us funny, like I was trafficking her. The girl got an attitude and clammed up. Trip was hostile for all 3 days. I do not recommend travel with these hoors. They will turn on you if you don't spend enough money on them, and its all in their mind how much you must give them or spend on them. My advice, don't do it.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't go to this other extreme either. Traveling a girl can be awesome. Like I said I am five out of six and damn those five were totally worth it:

Thifany to London for a week. Honestly this was nuts. Met her at a Boate and fucked her and then her and her friend. Knew her a total of five hours. Flew her to London her first international trip. She is the IT girl. We had such a blast. We were getting sent thru the VIP rope and our entry comped on nights 2+. It was simply epic. I can post this story again if anyone wants. It's the best SA read ever (tho it wasn't strictly seeking).

Alexa to Miami. Epic. Pedicab with drinking wine from the bottle, cigars and Led Zeppelin. And off the charts sex.

Mika to Dallas. Moderately good. She had her period which was suboptimal.

Shayla to Miami. Helicopter ride and parasailing and amazing dinners and sex.

Sue to Croatia. Sex was just ok but what a great girl. Had a blast.

I highly recommend traveling a girl you know. Yes sometimes it's sand to the beach. But it's very good sand! 😜.

What's the point of traveling with a girl? I do not get it. Look, for me SBs are strictly transactional. I am prudent in my spending and negotiate hard and look at the total cost inclusive of all the ancillary spend such as dinners, hotel rooms, gifts if included, and so on. Why fly SB x from place A to place be if I can use seeking to find new SBs in place be just as easily? In fact, when I tell SBs on seeking that I am in the city for just a couple of days, at least a subset of them are more eager to meet right away. Whereas if I message a SB in my home city and suggest a meet, she usually responds I am busy tomorrow etc and gives a runaround. When I'm in a city for just a couple of days, both the SB and I know it is transactional. Meet, have a nice time, sayonara. No complications, as it should be. Shortness of time in a new city brings clarity and focus to both parties.

Given that a key reason for using seeking or FKKs is the thrill of novelty, sex with new girls, I'd much rather have a new SB or multiple SBs in the cities I'm traveling to, rather than fly one from where I was.

However, I am not looking for any feel good emotional stuff out of these arrangements. Perhaps if you are looking for such, then traveling together, staying in hotels for multiple days etc perhaps adds some extra oomph. I'm not looking for it. When the deed is done, I want to sleep alone usually, don't want her to be there anymore as I might make phone calls, call family, do work, and she'd be absolutely a nuisance. Not to say I never had someone stay over in my room ever, but extremely rare and not something I seek or want. And I absolutely will not pay extra for staying over. And if there is no extra money for the staying over part, the girl too wants to beat it as soon as the sex is finished.

[QUOTE=Intelligencium;2810444]

There's a girl who is willing to travel with me. Anyone done anything like that? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2810763]I took a girl from seeking to Vegas a couple years ago. [/QUOTE]While new to the Seeking game (working on report), I got to ask some questions here. Thanks for sharing some of the failures / issues, but would like to see more details. I would like to travel with the great ones as well.

Intelligencium: is this a girl you've never met, IE just SK? I believe just in terms of process, there are universal rules that apply, from broad to more specific in terms of "escalation" in hobbying, not just SK / SBs.

1. Never ever pay up front.

2. Don't do overnights with girls you don't know (this might be better applied in Col vs Thailand, etc).

3. Never do threesomes with girls you don't know.

4. Don't travel with girls you don't know.

5. More escalation.

I know from Seeking / Sao Paulo threads, seems like overnights are pretty normal and safe (and some great value), but usually there's a lot of vibe checking in the club / dinner / facetime etc. Travel is just another escalation & more time to suffer if the relationship is already sour / poor. Start with a date, and then see what happens.

HumbleHal, how was the girl before the trip? Did you jive well on many occasions? I think from your experience and what Elvis has shared previously, there are some reality check conversations that might be helpful before travelling, IE the conversation with border / customs agents, flying together vs meeting there, how we met, purpose, etc.

From all the great reports here, for SK this is progression that I'm tweaking in my own process:

1. Online, you're just weeding out the real girls, ones you want to meet within a week or 2. As soon as you get a good vibe, go offline to WA or other medium to discuss details (arrangement, likes / dislikes, etc) for your first date. Then verify details / video chat, etc before wasting more time. Most guys seem to being aiming at dinner / drinks and approx up to 3/4 hrs (generally wouldn't be too strict on time, only the WG think like that, some will just stay over).

2. Date goes well / great, repeat or escalate. Date doesn't go great, rinse. Ha. Really I guess this applies to all women, regardless of where you met.

3. My first report will be a 24 HR date. Didn't start that way. But the next time I visit SP, will "consider" travel with this girl. She is demanding price-wise, but during our date was fabulous (can't think too much with GFE brain despite the great experience). Travel seems to be an interesting one in terms of dealmaking. GFEFAN, did you discuss like a daily allowance beforehand (and she just refused), or just went with the flow? I think I am like Steve, where I'd like to know ahead of time rather than have stickershock afterwards.

F.

P.S. This is a fantastic thread, please keep reporting the good & the bad. Cheers!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2811096]What's the point of traveling with a girl? I do not get it. Look, for me SBs are strictly transactional. I am prudent in my spending and negotiate hard and look at the total cost inclusive of all the ancillary spend such as dinners, hotel rooms, gifts if included, and so on. Why fly SB x from place A to place be if I can use seeking to find new SBs in place be just as easily? In fact, when I tell SBs on seeking that I am in the city for just a couple of days, at least a subset of them are more eager to meet right away. Whereas if I message a SB in my home city and suggest a meet, she usually responds I am busy tomorrow etc and gives a runaround. When I'm in a city for just a couple of days, both the SB and I know it is transactional. Meet, have a nice time, sayonara. No complications, as it should be. Shortness of time in a new city brings clarity and focus to both parties.

Given that a key reason for using seeking or FKKs is the thrill of novelty, sex with new girls, I'd much rather have a new SB or multiple SBs in the cities I'm traveling to, rather than fly one from where I was.

However, I am not looking for any feel good emotional stuff out of these arrangements. Perhaps if you are looking for such, then traveling together, staying in hotels for multiple days etc perhaps adds some extra oomph. I'm not looking for it. When the deed is done, I want to sleep alone usually, don't want her to be there anymore as I might make phone calls, call family, do work, and she'd be absolutely a nuisance. Not to say I never had someone stay over in my room ever, but extremely rare and not something I seek or want. And I absolutely will not pay extra for staying over. And if there is no extra money for the staying over part, the girl too wants to beat it as soon as the sex is finished.[/QUOTE]I have been flying girls in from CDMX to MTY, it works great. They stay 2-3 days, then I meet my regulars in MTY or meet new girls. I have the best of both worlds.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2811096]What's the point of traveling with a girl? I do not get it. Look, for me SBs are strictly transactional. I am prudent in my spending and negotiate hard and look at the total cost inclusive of all the ancillary spend such as dinners, hotel rooms, gifts if included, and so on. Why fly SB x from place A to place be if I can use seeking to find new SBs in place be just as easily? In fact, when I tell SBs on seeking that I am in the city for just a couple of days, at least a subset of them are more eager to meet right away. Whereas if I message a SB in my home city and suggest a meet, she usually responds I am busy tomorrow etc and gives a runaround. When I'm in a city for just a couple of days, both the SB and I know it is transactional. Meet, have a nice time, sayonara. No complications, as it should be. Shortness of time in a new city brings clarity and focus to both parties.

Given that a key reason for using seeking or FKKs is the thrill of novelty, sex with new girls, I'd much rather have a new SB or multiple SBs in the cities I'm traveling to, rather than fly one from where I was.

However, I am not looking for any feel good emotional stuff out of these arrangements. Perhaps if you are looking for such, then traveling together, staying in hotels for multiple days etc perhaps adds some extra oomph. I'm not looking for it. When the deed is done, I want to sleep alone usually, don't want her to be there anymore as I might make phone calls, call family, do work, and she'd be absolutely a nuisance. Not to say I never had someone stay over in my room ever, but extremely rare and not something I seek or want. And I absolutely will not pay extra for staying over. And if there is no extra money for the staying over part, the girl too wants to beat it as soon as the sex is finished.[/QUOTE]Traveling with girls is another level of mongering. And this is not only about sex, I do enjoy doing tourist things with a girl, exploring places, going on tours, dining out, etc. There is no rush whatsoever. Unlimited sex, usually bareback. To me personally, the whole point of it is memorable experience. I might not remember most of my «transactional" SBs / pros, but I certainly do and always will, remember those I traveled with. Spending a few days with a girl you truly like, exploring new places together is unforgettable experience. Fuck the costs, we all live once LOL.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2811172]Traveling with girls is another level of mongering. And this is not only about sex, I do enjoy doing tourist things with a girl, exploring places, going on tours, dining out, etc. There is no rush whatsoever. Unlimited sex, usually bareback. To me personally, the whole point of it is memorable experience. I might not remember most of my transactional" SBs / pros, but I certainly do and always will, remember those I traveled with. Spending a few days with a girl you truly like, exploring new places together is unforgettable experience. Fuck the costs, we all live once LOL.[/QUOTE]"F the cost", you only live once.

I am in relation with a SB due to business trip in SE Asia. We did romantic getaway travel a lot like long weekend, school break etc, she is 2nd year law student. We have chemistry more than anything I had before with an SB. We chat almost everyday, though we are 8000-mile away right now. I am going back for yet another tenure in 2-months, can't wait.

Yes, the sex is unbelievable, we can do it 3-4 times a day, early morning, after bfast, after we come back from sight-seeing then another before bed. I think I had blue-ball syndrome right after 5-night trip once, not fun, but what the heck.

I've known her for 8-mo now, she even put IUD 4-mo ago, so I can come inside if I desire, but so far I don't dare.

BTW, funny story, I told her right after she has the IUD, I felt something in there, so the next week she went back to her OB and was told: "oh yes we forgot to tuck and hide that IUD tail, tell your BF sorry", LOL.

Sometimes, I am actually worried what happen if we have to say goodbye once of these days.

Traveling with an SB that I have already been with and that I trust, then. We can travel to a place together or meet there.

"Business trip" versus vacation. With a "business trip," I can do whatever I want during the day, and then drink with and sleep with my SB during the nights. Most of my business trips with an SB are fake business trips. I just want to bang other women during the day, or sightsee or do other things during the day. But there have been SBs that I enjoyed spending time with where I took them on short vacations, and this can be fun too, but it is rare for me to find an SB that I can spend all day and all night with.

One thing that I learned from traveling with an SB. I ask them to book their own room. I get my own room too. But I stay overnight in their room. I know this is fucking expensive, to pay for two hotel rooms, but there is a lot of benefits to this, which I do not think I need to explain, but if you do not see the benefits to this, then you can ask and I will explain.

I usually ask the SB to pay for the flight or train, and to pay for their hotel room, and I will reimburse them. I have also booked their flights myself. I try to avoid fronting them money to pay for travel and hotel, unless I know them really well. The hard part for me is to figure out how much additional money to give them. It is usually double their PPM amount, times the number of days.

But yeah, if I find a SB that I think is very fun and I think genuinely likes me, then traveling with an SB can be very fun, especially if I can spend some time away from her during the day.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2811096]What's the point of traveling with a girl? I do not get it. Look, for me SBs are strictly transactional. I am prudent in my spending and negotiate hard and look at the total cost inclusive of all the ancillary spend such as dinners, hotel rooms, gifts if included, and so on. Why fly SB x from place A to place be if I can use seeking to find new SBs in place be just as easily?[/QUOTE]I gave women $200 to $300 to hang with me for three of four days in Cancun. Getting a woman in Cancun costs that for an hour.

And if your visits are strictly transactional, you are missing out on the best sex there is. I have always said money is a minimum motivator. I don't want a woman who wants to suck my dick and say, "Well, I am not going to do that for you for less than $300. " I want one whom I have shown such a good time want to please me back.

I took three women to Xcaret in Cancun and they had so much fun they decided to pay me back and put on a show for me when we got back to our apartment and fucked and sucked the hell out of me. You could pay three women for a foursome but I guarantee you it would not be as good.

You really get to know someone when you take a trip. Many times I have dumped women after them, and many times the trips have made it us way closer.

I can see if you are married and had time issues why not to do it, but traveling has been when I have had the best sex and some of the most fun ever. Having a SB IMO is having fun with the women both in and out of the bedroom.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2811622]Traveling with an SB that I have already been with and that I trust, then. We can travel to a place together or meet there.

"Business trip" versus vacation. With a "business trip," I can do whatever I want during the day, and then drink with and sleep with my SB during the nights. Most of my business trips with an SB are fake business trips. I just want to bang other women during the day, or sightsee or do other things during the day. But there have been SBs that I enjoyed spending time with where I took them on short vacations, and this can be fun too, but it is rare for me to find an SB that I can spend all day and all night with.

One thing that I learned from traveling with an SB. I ask them to book their own room. I get my own room too. But I stay overnight in their room. I know this is fucking expensive, to pay for two hotel rooms, but there is a lot of benefits to this, which I do not think I need to explain, but if you do not see the benefits to this, then you can ask and I will explain.

I usually ask the SB to pay for the flight or train, and to pay for their hotel room, and I will reimburse them. I have also booked their flights myself. I try to avoid fronting them money to pay for travel and hotel, unless I know them really well. The hard part for me is to figure out how much additional money to give them. It is usually double their PPM amount, times the number of days.

But yeah, if I find a SB that I think is very fun and I think genuinely likes me, then traveling with an SB can be very fun, especially if I can spend some time away from her during the day.[/QUOTE]I think we are all aligned that a trip w your lady is awesome. I remember a couple years ago when we started all this that MW you and I discussed what would be right for allowance in this situation. I've got a couple more visits under my belt and got to say the double PPM surprises me. The girls seem to understand the trip is expensive and adjust expectations accordingly. I've paid close to full PPM (but per day) in some cases but also done half PPM or with Shayla who is pretty much my mistress there was no PPM at all. For those of you embarking on this I kinda keep the lingo away from PPM and also lower expectations due to trip cost. I say something like "Obviously the trip is a bit expensive but I'the want to give you some daily spending money, like $200/ day. " This has worked in the past because I think the trip is exciting for them.

About to try this with Smoke Show who is a legit model but we've only spent a few hours together. She's already said she'the travel with me. Recall she wanted 1000€ our first date but said 400 was ok with no overnight. Of course she hadn’t met me yet (!) and We will be going to a pretty awesome destination. I doubt she'the take less than 400/ day (if she even takes that) but we shall see.

MW. Totally mystified by the two rooms thing. I adore cuddling my girl all night and think she would be shocked and insulted if I suggested separate rooms. Maybe this is a cultural thing? Do tell us more. I am quite puzzled.

I am not him, but I guess he tries to not get emotional attachment to his SB. Not a bad idea actually, to keep a little distance and keep it like business transaction. Cause at the end we have to say goodbye, it could be easier than with what I am doing right now.

Funny enough, I used to be against the whole overnight thing, because I value sleep more than the ladies! Haha. I guess I am fairly fragile when it comes to rest, so the "numb arm" isn't my favorite, even if I love cuddling while awake. With my first Seeking (that happened to go overnight), I wasn't thinking snuggle, I was just trying to get some sleep, even though she was totally up for "hugging" all night. The thought of having sex and possibly going to my own room afterwards is a bit strange sounding, curious as well (I'm definitely cool with overnights if I can sleep ok now).

That being said, in chatting with a bunch of boate / Scandallo regulars, I'm trying to figure out a similar / complementary "daytime" program, which is probably more SB territory?? I like the idea of the club set ups, but after travelling overnight and then staying up looking for the ladies, and then having bedroom action, it feels like I'm on the graveyard shift. Am I the only one? I used to go clubbing all the time, but mainly because I knew so many people socially and I enjoyed the music. Now, I would be going in spite of the late nights and loud music to meet the fine ladies. Mind you, it's also because of some mandatory morning meetings I have that really don't help. I guess once you have contacts, some might be into going for lunch and afternoon action or dinner / early evening or doing touristy things.

Back to travelling: I could see needing a break from my companion if I wasn't 100% into her or I was super introverted / need tons of variety. Why not threesomes, ha? I have found that if the bedroom action / pillow talk and dinner / drinks works well, hanging out all the time usually isn't a problem until an issue arises.

Good points on the non-transactional approach to giving "spending money" and hopefully the good bedroom results. Interesting how a short trip is also the next-stage interview, ha!

Topic 1. Why I get two rooms when traveling with an SB.

This is when I tell the SB that I am going on a business trip and invite her to come with me (but half the time it is a fake business trip). And so she understands that I need to have my own room. But why do I get two rooms? Here is why.

First, I just cannot spend 24 hours a day with anyone, including a fun young hottie. Eventually, I need to catch my breath and have some alone time. I guess I can make an excuse and go out on my own, but most of the time I just want to chill in the room, catch up on work on my laptop, reply to emails, call someone, watch tv, take a nap. I want my own room to do this. And so, when I get tired of her, or want to be alone, I tell her that I have to go to work, but really I just go to my own room. So I get two rooms. She gets her own room.

Second, I definitely do this if I am trying to hide my true identity. If we book one room for the two of us, then there is almost no way to hide my identity from her, especially for several days in a row.

Third, I just do not want to worry about something unforseen. Maybe someone like my family calls my room and I am out while my SB is in the room and she picks up the phone. Or maybe she leaves her panties in the room and when I return home the hotel mails the panties to my home. Or maybe she just destroys the room, LOL, I do not know. I just do not want to worry about any of this shit.

Fourth, if it is a real business trip, then of course I cannot have her staying in my room. Too many times, my colleauges will say, "let's discuss this in your room" or "let's have a drink in your room before we go out for dinner' etc.

BUT, I crash in her room every night, that's for damn sure. Sleeping with her is one of main reasons for traveling with her. And ideally we did some partying before going to bed. Not just because I love having a good time with a gal, but one of my favorite things is drunk sex.

Topic 2. What to pay an SB when traveling with her.

I agree with everything that Steve said. We should not have to gift them a ton of "spending money" because we are paying for their travel, accomodations, meals, and fun times. Off the top of my head, I can recall four SBs that I took short vacations with. This was when I was at the home office in the states. I did not give them much spending money because they were all stoked to take a vacation and have a fun time. But there were some exceptions. For example, what if they have a job and then they have to take time off from work? What if they are an hourly worker? Then reimbursement for lost wages becomes a factor.

However, for me NOW, when I travel with an SB, they are mostly fake business trips (see my comments on topic 1 above). And so, to caculate the gift money on top of reimbursing travel and hotel room, I think about their possible lost wages, AND I MOSTLY think about how they are going to spend many hours every day on their own in a strange city without any friends and without anything to do, and how they are essentially on call for my needs. As Steve mentioned, he and I discussed this topic in some details a couple of years ago. I eventually landed on paying them 1. 5 to 2 times what I give them for PPM. How did I come to this figure? Well, the market rate in China for overnight with a WG is 3 times their PPM rate. But my SBs are not WGs, and so they do not expect 3 times. But I figured that if I am giving them X amount for a couple of hours, then I should give them 1. 5 to 2 times that amount for 24 hours. Especially since I abandon them for much of the day. In addition, a couple of my SBs have to get up early and then travel all day to meet me at our destination, and so I kind of feel bad about that.

What do you guys think?

Actually that's totally logical.

I have done all day sessions with girls before. Afternoon through following morning. And what you're describing is exactly what happens. These are not worldly girls. Let's be honest. For the most part they're simple people. And so you have to really carry the conversation if it's going to be any good. Last date I had the only thing that animated this girl was when she was talking about this crappy reality tv show she watches. If I could have shelved her till sex time I would have.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2812106]Topic 1. Why I get two rooms when traveling with an SB.

This is when I tell the SB that I am going on a business trip and invite her to come with me (but half the time it is a fake business trip). And so she understands that I need to have my own room. But why do I get two rooms? Here is why.

First, I just cannot spend 24 hours a day with anyone, including a fun young hottie. Eventually, I need to catch my breath and have some alone time. I guess I can make an excuse and go out on my own, but most of the time I just want to chill in the room, catch up on work on my laptop, reply to emails, call someone, watch tv, take a nap. I want my own room to do this. And so, when I get tired of her, or want to be alone, I tell her that I have to go to work, but really I just go to my own room. So I get two rooms. She gets her own room.

Second, I definitely do this if I am trying to hide my true identity. If we book one room for the two of us, then there is almost no way to hide my identity from her, especially for several days in a row.

Third, I just do not want to worry about something unforseen. Maybe someone like my family calls my room and I am out while my SB is in the room and she picks up the phone. Or maybe she leaves her panties in the room and when I return home the hotel mails the panties to my home. Or maybe she just destroys the room, LOL, I do not know. I just do not want to worry about any of this shit.

Fourth, if it is a real business trip, then of course I cannot have her staying in my room. Too many times, my colleauges will say, "let's discuss this in your room" or "let's have a drink in your room before we go out for dinner' etc.

BUT, I crash in her room every night, that's for damn sure. Sleeping with her is one of main reasons for traveling with her. And ideally we did some partying before going to bed. Not just because I love having a good time with a gal, but one of my favorite things is drunk sex.

Topic 2. What to pay an SB when traveling with her.

I agree with everything that Steve said. We should not have to gift them a ton of "spending money" because we are paying for their travel, accomodations, meals, and fun times. Off the top of my head, I can recall four SBs that I took short vacations with. This was when I was at the home office in the states. I did not give them much spending money because they were all stoked to take a vacation and have a fun time. But there were some exceptions. For example, what if they have a job and then they have to take time off from work? What if they are an hourly worker? Then reimbursement for lost wages becomes a factor.

However, for me NOW, when I travel with an SB, they are mostly fake business trips (see my comments on topic 1 above). And so, to caculate the gift money on top of reimbursing travel and hotel room, I think about their possible lost wages, AND I MOSTLY think about how they are going to spend many hours every day on their own in a strange city without any friends and without anything to do, and how they are essentially on call for my needs. As Steve mentioned, he and I discussed this topic in some details a couple of years ago. I eventually landed on paying them 1. 5 to 2 times what I give them for PPM. How did I come to this figure? Well, the market rate in China for overnight with a WG is 3 times their PPM rate. But my SBs are not WGs, and so they do not expect 3 times. But I figured that if I am giving them X amount for a couple of hours, then I should give them 1. 5 to 2 times that amount for 24 hours. Especially since I abandon them for much of the day. In addition, a couple of my SBs have to get up early and then travel all day to meet me at our destination, and so I kind of feel bad about that.

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2812111]Actually that's totally logical.

I have done all day sessions with girls before. Afternoon through following morning. And what you're describing is exactly what happens. These are not worldly girls. Let's be honest. For the most part they're simple people. And so you have to really carry the conversation if it's going to be any good. Last date I had the only thing that animated this girl was when she was talking about this crappy reality tv show she watches. If I could have shelved her till sex time I would have.[/QUOTE]Ah MW. I get the two rooms now. It's not two bedrooms. It's one bedroom and an office / hideout. That def works if you can afford it (which apparently you can!

On the $$/ day I just don't see paying that much. I guess it depends on geography tho. Like I paid Thifany $1000 for the week. Which isn't bad coin for a brasileira. But if I have a US girl at 500/ night I can't see paying her $1000/ day for 4 days or even $500/ day. Maybe 1200 for 4 days or something. I guess it just depends on the sitch. But 1. 5-2 x is out of the realm of possibilities for me.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2812111]If I could have shelved her till sex time I would have.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yep, that's how I feel with many SBs. However, I have found some that I can actually hang out with though, but that's because they are either funny and fun, and / or it is because they love to drink.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2812227]On the $$/ day I just don't see paying that much. I guess it depends on geography tho. Like I paid Thifany $1000 for the week. Which isn't bad coin for a brasileira. But if I have a US girl at 500/ night I can't see paying her $1000/ day for 4 days or even $500/ day. Maybe 1200 for 4 days or something. I guess it just depends on the sitch. But 1. 5-2 x is out of the realm of possibilities for me.[/QUOTE]Upon some reflection, you are totally right. One of my favorite SBs in the states was 400 PPM, but she came out to meet me on a business trip and I gave her 1000 total for 4 days, so only 250 per day, even though her PPM was 400. I did similarly with other SBs in the states. This logic works out because my SBs were not meeting SDs every day, and so gettting 250 for 4 days in a row was a good deal for them.

I now figured out my error on how I landed on 1. 5 to 2 times PPM when traveling with a gal in China. The first gal that I traveled with was someone who had recently retired from being a WG. She had worked for an outcall agency and was used to meeting two johns per day, three weeks per month (the other week was time off due to aunt flo visit). After she retired from being a WG, she moved back to her hometown, bought a condo, and got engaged. But she and I always hit it off and when I asked her to meet me, she said yes, and that is when I started struggling with how much to give her. It was at that time when you (Steve) offered your ideas on what to pay. Somehow, I came up with 1. 5 times her PPM rate times number of days. I thought this was fair given what she used to make as a WG. Anyway, since then, I have traveled with other gals in China, and now that I think of it, they did seem pleasantly surprised by how much I gave them, and so I guess I have been overpaying while in China. I wish I can travel with the SBs that I currently have (both young with rocking bods) to see what they would accept. Neither is a WG. The are both PPM arrangments. I bet they would take about half of the PPM rate per day times the number of days. But given that both do not drink, I have no desire to travel with them.

BTW, one problem with traveling with SBs, to play devil's advocate, is that quite often we have very incompatiple sleeping schedules. Many SBs stay up late until 2 am or 3 am or even 4 am, looking at their phones, and wake up at around 10 am or later. But for me, I go to bed usually at around 11 pm and wake up at 6 am or 7 am.

[QUOTE=DjTan;2811799]I am not him, but I guess he tries to not get emotional attachment to his SB. Not a bad idea actually, to keep a little distance and keep it like business transaction. Cause at the end we have to say goodbye, it could be easier than with what I am doing right now.[/QUOTE]After I read your last sentence, I re-read some of your earlier posts. Seems like you are totally into your SB. I think most of us have fallen in love with a WG or SB. I know I have. I remember one time when I was working in SE Asia, I took a short vacation and took one of my favorite WGs with me. While we were laying on the beach, I noticed a lot of thin scabs on her legs. I immediately recognized what they were, she was a cutter, someone who cuts themselves. I asked her about the scars, and she said that she hates her life and so she cuts herself. Man, I immediately fell in love with her as soon as she told me that. At the end of our trip, I gave her an extra 3 grand USD. She could not believe it. I stopped seeing her, but I did not feel guilty about it becuase I gifted her so much cash. But one day I ran into her, and she begged me to marry her. She said she wanted to make a family with me. She had a ring on her finger, it was made up of two rings that snapped together. She took one ring off and gave it to me. She said these two rings will find a way to be together again. For the next several years, she would text me every once in a while, but I ignored her. This all happened over ten years ago. Guess what? About a month ago, I somehow came across her ring. Made me feel a bit sad.

But now I am totally jaded. I might sometimes feel sorry for some gals, but that is the most that I will feel for a gal these days.

Your post speaks to a dynamic we don't talk about it because it's not comfortable.

The reality is, if you're on the male side of this equation, you probably have a career and resources and a future.

On the other side, maybe some are just paying for their university studies, but most are living the kind of lives they will still be living in 15 years. Doing nails or hair, retail, etc. Every once in a while, you realize you're being looked at as a potential off ramp. Not always but sometimes.

A year ago in Mexico a girl started to try to BB me. I know some of you are into it, but that's not my jam. It immediately set off alarm bells, like "oh she wants be pregnant."

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2812321]After I read your last sentence, I re-read some of your earlier posts. Seems like you are totally into your SB. I think most of us have fallen in love with a WG or SB. I know I have. I remember one time when I was working in SE Asia, I took a short vacation and took one of my favorite WGs with me. While we were laying on the beach, I noticed a lot of thin scabs on her legs. I immediately recognized what they were, she was a cutter, someone who cuts themselves. I asked her about the scars, and she said that she hates her life and so she cuts herself. Man, I immediately fell in love with her as soon as she told me that. At the end of our trip, I gave her an extra 3 grand USD. She could not believe it. I stopped seeing her, but I did not feel guilty about it becuase I gifted her so much cash. But one day I ran into her, and she begged me to marry her. She said she wanted to make a family with me. She had a ring on her finger, it was made up of two rings that snapped together. She took one ring off and gave it to me. She said these two rings will find a way to be together again. For the next several years, she would text me every once in a while, but I ignored her. This all happened over ten years ago..[/QUOTE]

Now the girls are asking for 500 or more. One told me she wanted 1500 bi-weekly for 2 get togethers (sex). I told her she was had "over valued herself".

The other girl thinks she are worth 500 so I countered at 400 with one and she accepted last night, she was chubby without clothes on and required me to use a condom for the pussy hole, so I could tell she was a pro. I am going to ghost her.

Another said she was worth 500 and I met her at a restaurant briefly, she looked ok. In the bedroom she was very fat, turned out she was 7 months pregnant, and I could not keep an erection because of that and her comments every 2 minutes that I could not keep an erection. I dropped her the next day, texted her and her response was "why?" I said it was obvious my body did not respond to her pregnant body and pecks on the lips, no passion.

The girls are becoming more like prostituties and no longer students, young professionals or normal young women. They all start at 500 for a sad fuck, no passion, just dead fish in the bedroom. Sad.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2812429]
A year ago in Mexico a girl started to try to BB me. I know some of you are into it, but that's not my jam. It immediately set off alarm bells, like "oh she wants be pregnant."[/QUOTE]A couple of years ago, I had an SB that was so into me, loved sex, and was hot with a great bod. The super weird thing was how easy it was to get her to be my SB and how she was totally happy to BB. I kept thinking that this was too good to be true. Well, I eventually found out that she was trying to get pregnant. Why she wanted to get pregnant is another story altogether.

About 9 years ago, when I first started using SA, I had an SB tell me that she discovered SA from a friend of hers that used SA. She said to me that her friend's SD accidentally got her friend pregnant, and that she decided to have the kid, and now the SD has to give her friend money every month and so her friend doesn't have to work, and how lucky that was for her friend. I fucking freaked out and decided to stop seeing her soon thereafter.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2812106]

Topic 2. What to pay an SB when traveling with her.

....... I MOSTLY think about how they are going to spend many hours every day on their own in a strange city without any friends and without anything to do ........ I eventually landed on paying them 1. 5 to 2 times what I give them for PPM. How did I come to this figure? Well, the market rate in China for overnight with a WG is 3 times their PPM rate. But my SBs are not WGs, and so they do not expect 3 times. But I figured that if I am giving them X amount for a couple of hours, then I should give them 1. 5 to 2 times that amount for 24 hours. Especially since I abandon them for much of the day. In addition, a couple of my SBs have to get up early and then travel all day to meet me at our destination, and so I kind of feel bad about that.

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]In Colombia it has depended on what else I was paying for. I haven't done it a ton, but scenarios below.

1) Had a favorita from Barranquilla meet me at a resort near Santa Marta ( 1 HR away) by bus. Before travelling I asked her, her rate for that period, and she said she had never done the travel thing before and didn't know, so I actually proposed 1 x PPM for the weekend which was essentially 2 days. She went for it and we were together 24 x7. I think sex only 3 x (Friday night, Saturday 2 x, and Sunday left early). I ended up giving her approximately 1. 25 x PPM for the entire time and she seemed disappointed. She stopped responding to me shortly thereafter lol.

2) Flew a favorita from Medellin to Punta Cana for 4 days at resort. I paid for her flight and everything else. It was her first time leaving Colombia and we agreed to no cost and I spoiled her when she was with me. Lots of GFE sex the entire time. She got a large number if IG photos which she liked, a dress, and we had some incredible dinners and a boat ride. We are still in touch although she has a regular guy.

In Brazil, just one experience.

3) Had a favorita that I'd know for only a week in Copacabana, Rio join me at a Hyatt resort for the 3-day weekend that was about 45 minutes away. We agreed that I'd pay her 1. 5 x PPM per day. I think she enjoyed being able to take IG post pictures more than anything. I paid for all food, drink, a swimsuit, and a massage. This was Thursday afternoon through Sunday noon and paid her 4.5 PPM for ~6 sessions over those ~3 days. She was very happy.

In each scenario the girl was 21-26, no kids, with me 24x7 and very GFE. Most were working and studying a bit on the side so no complications or cost with kids.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2812579]A couple of years ago, I had an SB that was so into me, loved sex, and was hot with a great bod. The super weird thing was how easy it was to get her to be my SB and how she was totally happy to BB. I kept thinking that this was too good to be true. Well, I eventually found out that she was trying to get pregnant. Why she wanted to get pregnant is another story altogether.

About 9 years ago, when I first started using SA, I had an SB tell me that she discovered SA from a friend of hers that used SA. She said to me that her friend's SD accidentally got her friend pregnant, and that she decided to have the kid, and now the SD has to give her friend money every month and so her friend doesn't have to work, and how lucky that was for her friend. I fucking freaked out and decided to stop seeing her soon thereafter.[/QUOTE]I sometimes see posts on here that sound like "that's not my girl. My girl is different. We have something special. " And I enjoy the read but still roll my eyes a little.

Most of these girls, not all, know their lot in life. And it's not good. If your job consists of showing up to the swap meet 4 days a week and selling fake jewelry, chances are you wake up at 50 still doing that. And they know it. Because they do it with their mom. And there are few off ramps. And you might just be one. Because you show up with your nice shoes and passport and nice hotel room and it's clear you have a connection to a better place. Ain't nobody want to marry you but it's like wanting that first job and meeting an exec at a big company. You don't know how but that guy can enter you into the world.

Any guy who doesn't recognize that power differential in this relationship and thinks they're just 2 equals on a relationship journey together is willfully ignorant. Not saying do anything different. Just saying recognize what's happening in front of your eyes.

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I did not intend to but it worked that way.

This is a real sweetie I met a few times while traveling. Great chemistry, great sex. And, best part. I enjoyed having her around even after finishing.

A few months in, I was telling her on phone that I am traveling and it would be fun if she joined. She said "Give me at least two weeks heads up. I need to get time off from my manager".

It was rheroric from me but she thought I was being serious. Then, I also said rhetoric "Hmmm. I am not sure I can pay your ppm as well as your expenses".

She went "Babe, forget it. I love spending time with you. On top of it you AR taking me somewhere. Money is not needed".

Thats how it went. I never intended to ask but I got lucky.

Mind you, this is a super sweet girl never asks me for money. And I never ask her for sex. We just give each other.

There was this trip where we went out in sun, back in room. I went to shower. Left door open (hint). She walks in few minutes later, undresses right outside the shower glass, walks in and hugs me from behind. I feel her whole body behind me and I am already hard. She plays with my dick for a while, and then, I grabbed her, put her against the wall, and entered her pussy from behind slamming her cute ass. Finished on her ass in the shower.

We step out, jump on bed and. Round 2. Epic sex with CIP. (She has IUD).

It is these memories (like Steve says) I will take to my grave.

Sadly, I don't enjoy sex at home anymore. Side effect, though.

[QUOTE=Foolish;2811119]While new to the Seeking game (working on report), I got to ask some questions here. Thanks for sharing some of the failures / issues, but would like to see more details. I would like to travel with the great ones as well.

Intelligencium: is this a girl you've never met, IE just SK? I believe just in terms of process, there are universal rules that apply, from broad to more specific in terms of "escalation" in hobbying, not just SK / SBs.

1. Never ever pay up front.

2. Don't do overnights with girls you don't know (this might be better applied in Col vs Thailand, etc).

3. Never do threesomes with girls you don't know.

4. Don't travel with girls you don't know.

5. More escalation.

I know from Seeking / Sao Paulo threads, seems like overnights are pretty normal and safe (and some great value), but usually there's a lot of vibe checking in the club / dinner / facetime etc. Travel is just another escalation & more time to suffer if the relationship is already sour / poor. Start with a date, and then see what happens.

HumbleHal, how was the girl before the trip? Did you jive well on many occasions? I think from your experience and what Elvis has shared previously, there are some reality check conversations that might be helpful before travelling, IE the conversation with border / customs agents, flying together vs meeting there, how we met, purpose, etc.

From all the great reports here, for SK this is progression that I'm tweaking in my own process:

1. Online, you're just weeding out the real girls, ones you want to meet within a week or 2. As soon as you get a good vibe, go offline to WA or other medium to discuss details (arrangement, likes / dislikes, etc) for your first date. Then verify details / video chat, etc before wasting more time. Most guys seem to being aiming at dinner / drinks and approx up to 3/4 hrs (generally wouldn't be too strict on time, only the WG think like that, some will just stay over).

2. Date goes well / great, repeat or escalate. Date doesn't go great, rinse. Ha. Really I guess this applies to all women, regardless of where you met.

3. My first report will be a 24 HR date. Didn't start that way. But the next time I visit SP, will "consider" travel with this girl. She is demanding price-wise, but during our date was fabulous (can't think too much with GFE brain despite the great experience). Travel seems to be an interesting one in terms of dealmaking. GFEFAN, did you discuss like a daily allowance beforehand (and she just refused), or just went with the flow? I think I am like Steve, where I'd like to know ahead of time rather than have stickershock afterwards.

F.

P.S. This is a fantastic thread, please keep reporting the good & the bad. Cheers![/QUOTE]