Phnom Penh

[QUOTE=Apeman 28;1266182]Last night I had a couple of beers is Walkabout and I have never seen so many ugly girls in one spot, I would not fuck them even if they paid me. The place seems to attracts desperates. Had a quick beer in Sharkys about 9 and it had 1 girl. Went to Black cat and checked out the birds and I was to sober to take any interest. Went up the road to Plan B (near Heart of Darkness) and finally settled on a bird who takes it up the clacker. She would not budge from $25 for ST (she first asked $35 and I laughed) despite my counter others of 15/20, so the sake of $5 the deal was signed. Bar fine was $7. Off to Shianoukville, hopefully to find some talent down there.[/QUOTE]Hi all, I think her name was Nit?

I think ill visit PP just for a few days to check it out. I'm just going to chill, don't want to do much or spend much. Just get some girls.

Can someone recommend nice / secure girl freindly hotels beside where the main street bars are. Between say £10-20 per night or $15-40?

Also, can I just walk in or do I need to book in advance?

Cheers

[QUOTE=Super Cum 500; 1266819]I think ill visit PP just for a few days to check it out. I'm just going to chill, don't want to do much or spend much. Just get some girls.

Can someone recommend nice / secure girl freindly hotels beside where the main street bars are. Between say £10-20 per night or $15-40?

Also, can I just walk in or do I need to book in advance?

Cheers[/QUOTE]Not an expert but the Lux riverside on 136 ST has $40 rooms but no internet in rooms ($5 for 10 hours). There's a hotel / guest house to the right of it that is more like $20-25 and seems nice enough but again, no internet in rooms at all but internet in lobby. The walkabout is $15 or $20 and the rooms are clean but the staircase leading up to them is a bit scummy. No safe in the room though and again no internet.

Right now it seems easy enough to walk in but it's new year later this week, don't know how that will affect hotels. BUT, many of the girls will be going home and some restaurants / bars will be closing.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1266278]Most of them do not see it as rude to shoo the stragglers off once you have found the one or two you are interested in. I even found that if you are not into one of the ones who approaches you, it is usually okay to ask one of the approachers about another one of the girls and ask her to bring that one over. Yes, being flashy with the lady drinks does cause more to flock which is why you should set a firm limit in your mind about how many to buy before going in. I've also noticed that some have a bad habit of trying to get you to buy drinks for their "friends" so be wary and firm.

I also had the $40 problem at the Horny Bar, which was strange given the dearth of customers. It was made worse by the fact that the girl admitted to not liking sex and said that she would stay the night but we could only fuck once. As soon as she said that I thought to myself that if I am going to pay that much for a takeaway girl I'll go to Cyrcee where I will at least find once who will leave me feeling like I got my money's worth.

I remember another member posting that even at the bars he is able to get them down to the normal rates so perhaps he will share the secret. Without knowing how to get them down to something reasonable, I tried pretty hard with the girl, I would say for ST you are better off getting a freelancer.[/QUOTE]That's good to know that they will get one of their friends for you. I just haven't seen that many girls I'm really into especially at the prices they're asking to make it worth the hassle. Maybe just me or maybe just coming from Pats and going back to pats in a week. Next time I come here, I won't go to pats first.

Would be great to hear how a regular at the bars does it? Seems there are some regulars in the bars. I'd also heard they've been pretty low on customers lately, so maybe they're getting more aggressive.

[QUOTE=Hunt Now; 1266981]Not an expert but the Lux riverside on 136 ST has $40 rooms but no internet in rooms ($5 for 10 hours). There's a hotel / guest house to the right of it that is more like $20-25 and seems nice enough but again, no internet in rooms at all but internet in lobby. The walkabout is $15 or $20 and the rooms are clean but the staircase leading up to them is a bit scummy. No safe in the room though and again no internet.

Right now it seems easy enough to walk in but it's new year later this week, don't know how that will affect hotels. BUT, many of the girls will be going home and some restaurants / bars will be closing.[/QUOTE]Ok thanks I'm not going soon. Just planning in advance.

AInt walkabout a club / bar also?

I definitely need a safe, internet I don't care about. BUt you think I can just walk up 136 street and find guesthouse and most / all are girl freindly. Is this the best street to look fro accom?

Cheers

[QUOTE=Hunt Now; 1266982]That's good to know that they will get one of their friends for you. I just haven't seen that many girls I'm really into especially at the prices they're asking to make it worth the hassle. Maybe just me or maybe just coming from Pats and going back to pats in a week. Next time I come here, I won't go to pats first.

Would be great to hear how a regular at the bars does it? Seems there are some regulars in the bars. I'd also heard they've been pretty low on customers lately, so maybe they're getting more aggressive.[/QUOTE]You mean you found the quality so much better in Pats that PP dissapointed you?

Also is it true that girls in Cambodia are more about the GFE than the PSE. So if you want some rough kinky sex best stay in THailand?

[QUOTE=Super Cum 500; 1266819]Can someone recommend nice / secure girl freindly hotels beside where the main street bars are. Between say £10-20 per night or $15-40?

Also, can I just walk in or do I need to book in advance?[/QUOTE]Virtually all guesthouses / hotels in that price range will be girl friendly. You can get nice rooms for that price, especially if you pay around $40.

I would recommend Golden House International on Street 136. It has a safe in the room. Walk in rates for new customers start at $25. If you ask for a discount, they probably will offer you a "free" $5 breakfast. Rates on the internet is more-strange.

During high season, rooms in the Golden House are sometimes full; not sure about the low season.

But you can always walk around and find rooms.

[QUOTE=Super Cum 500;1267186]AInt walkabout a club / bar also?[/QUOTE]Walkabout is a freelancer place (with mostly ugly girls) in a bar with a guesthouse attached.

[QUOTE=Super Cum 500;1267186]BUt you think I can just walk up 136 street and find guesthouse and most / all are girl freindly. Is this the best street to look fro accom?[/QUOTE]You can walk up Street 136 and find rooms. But after the first block, most of the guesthouses will be old, and they probably won't have any safes in the room.

Another area in the middle of the action will be Street 51. Flamingo guesthouse has safes in the room. They offer free airport pick-up; but their rates IMO are $5 too high.

[QUOTE=Hunt Now; 1265936]I also went to Soul massage and Paris and they both had a good selection.

I haven't tried Sakuri massage but want to.[/QUOTE]Where Soul massage and Sakuri massage located?

I'm not a bar guy at all. If I want to drink I would rather do it in my room with a nice honey. To me all bars are the same, it's just different music. So apologies in advance to.... Fuck it.

I hired a tuk-tuk for $13 to take me to all of the bars and clubs that I wrote down from the reports. This was primarily a recon mission so the only place I got a drink in was Sharky's (pineapple juice). The evolution lasted from 10pm - 1am.

Sharky's: Big ass dated bar with cheap drinks and FL. As someone said before, some of the same FL pretty much circulate between Walkabout, Sharky's and Martini's then head to Heart of Darkness after midnight or so. As a matter of fact when my first Cambo girl (who I got from Walkabout) was leaving, she said she was on her way to Sharky's. I saw a couple more familiar Walkabout faces the night I went. There were probably 10-12 girls total in a place that looked like it could easily hold a couple hundred.

Barbados: On the same street as Sharky's down a hundred meters or so on the same side of the street. The bartender was my type. I asked her about leaving with me. She said let's drink first. Red flag. I told her that I had drinks in my room; I was just looking for a girl to take with me. I was refused and pressured to buy drinks in lieu of my primary purpose of bar fining someone. This turned out to be the scenario in most of the bars that I went in. Drink first then MAYBE you can bar fine us later.

Riverhouse Lounge: Nice disco with great air-conditioning. Mainly locals and a couple of white foreign ladies.

104 ST: Just a street with nothing but bars. It is a bit like Soi 6 in Pattaya, but in Pattaya the girls are there to fuck you. It seems the girls on 104 are there to make you buy drinks.

I went to Zanzibar. I asked about bar fining. Nobody wanted to leave, but they wanted to pressure me to drink instead.

I went to One Zero Four. I asked a girl about bar fining and she said she was on her period. Then a lot of other girls were crowding around while I was trying to wheel and deal with one girl. The girl that didn't want to go was in the group crowding me. I asked her why she was still sticking around if she didn't want to be bar fined and knew that was what I was searching for.

I went to Rose Bar. I was told $10 bar fine and the girl wanted $50. I told them I could go to the disco or Walkabout and get a girl for less than half that price. They were pissed at me, then I walked out.

136 ST: Same as 104.

Cyrece: I fucking forgot. I know he took me by there but evidently it was nothing to write home about.

Martini: I will write about it along with Heart of Darkness in separate reports.

Pontoon: Disco. I went inside and tried to do a lap around. The techno music didn't really bother me. But the fucking lights! There were so many flashing lights that I couldn't see what the girls looked like so I got the hell out of there.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1267755][/QUOTE]+1.

I have heard same things in the 136 104 Bars and have stop going there, I like Walkabout and Sharkys better but many of the girls are the same.

Last trip I get borred and left to funky town Pattaya, a better place.

Rose bar.

What you experienced there I got as well. As soon as it became clear that I would not pay 60 USD TOTAL for SHORT TIME with one girl EVERY other one avoided me as well. This is not smart on their part. Word gets around pretty quick! This bar will not last I think. They are totally fucking themselves by doing it. And its a shame because there are some VERY cute girls there. SHITHOUSE attitudes though!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1267755]I'm not a bar guy at all. If I want to drink I would rather do it in my room with a nice honey. To me all bars are the same, it's just different music. So apologies in advance to. Fuck it.

I hired a tuk-tuk for $13 to take me to all of the bars and clubs that I wrote down from the reports. This was primarily a recon mission so the only place I got a drink in was Sharky's (pineapple juice). The evolution lasted from 10pm. 1am.[/QUOTE]I agree with your impressions of all these bars. Exactly how I feel. I don't enjoy bars, don't even drink alcohol, and usually go to Phnom Penh by myself, so to go to these bars and sit there hoping a cute girl will deign to let me barfine her is a complete waste of time.

I just stick to 3 or 4 freelance places and usually have good luck with them.

The number of available girls seems to drop every year though.

Well based on below reports PP sounds terrible. Why go at all. Maybe ill just write it off and stick with its bigger cousins BKK ANd Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Super Cum 500;1267918]Well based on below reports PP sounds terrible. Why go at all. Maybe ill just write it off and stick with its bigger cousins BKK ANd Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I live in Pattaya but I wanted to go to Cambodia for tourism. Now that I have seen what there is to see in PP and SR there is no reason for me to go back. I really did enjoy the FLs that I had though. Total GFEs.

[QUOTE=AkolKiev;1267480]Where Soul massage and Sakuri massage located?[/QUOTE]Soul is just past the sofitel and I believe Sakura is in the Sakura hotel.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1267999]I live in Pattaya but I wanted to go to Cambodia for tourism. Now that I have seen what there is to see in PP and SR there is no reason for me to go back. I really did enjoy the FLs that I had though. Total GFEs.[/QUOTE]I will probably be back (maybe once a year for a week) but only ONLY freelancers. The bars here blow and I don't really get why guys are in them at all. I guess they really are "hostess" bars and not bars to get someone for ST / LT. Maybe something I'm missing?

But, if you're doing beach road girls or older bar girls in Pattaya, PP's freelancers are a great alternative. Same price point, but better GFE. Well worth the visit for beer bar guys from pats IMHO (although admittedly, I'm not much of a beer bar guy)

If you're doing go go girls in Pattaya don't come here for mongering more than a week and be ready to drop your standards.

I'm a bit disheartened to hear about so many people having such a bad time in Cambodia. I have to say that at times the level of ignorance and intolerance that many of the people show nearly drives me to violence, but I really dig the women. Out of the few countries I have mongered in Cambodia remains the only one where I can take 3 girls in a day and still want another if it's before 10pm. Something about the women just does it for me.

As to the comments about walkabout. On my last trip I went there maybe 3 times and although I saw several I would have sex with, there were only 2 that when I got close I would actually call beautiful. On my last night there was an older lady who just would not give up and after a few drinks I took her. She is nowhere near my type, but her insistance and dare I say desperation translated into a pretty good fuck. My point is don't get too hung up on youth and physical beauty because truth be told sometimes those are the most disappointing ones in the bedroom. Most working girls are pretty from a far, but far from pretty so just keep the lights down low and enjoy the ride.

As to the comments about bars. Now is probably the time to steer clear of bars. When I was in Cambodia in March, even the girls at bars where pretty much everyone goes were trying to charge way too much. The sad thing is that most of the bars were essentially deserted and of the ones that had customers I rarely saw any of the men attempting to bar fine someone. I more than once saw men come in, fondle a girl for a while and then leave. Even some of the girls at Cyrcee (where I think the high price is justified by performance) told me that they were not getting many customers.

There was a Senior Member who posted a while ago about being able to get bar girls to go for the correct price. I may be back in Cambodia next month and if so I will try to connect with him and report back. Of the ones who actually want to go with customers, I'm sure there is a trick to the negotiations. One more piece of advice, you all may want to start asking who actually works for the bar. I found out that although they can all get $1 / lady drink, only some receive a salary. One with no salary may be more likely to go because that is how she gets paid.

I think that SE Asians seem to have a warped idea of how to do business and that is probably what is altering the prices. Someone on one of the Thailand boards said that some of the SEA believe that when there are less customers you have to charge the few that you have more to make up for the loss income. My guess is that some of the girls will wait around for a week or two hoping for a guy to pay $50 than have three guys per week pay $20. It does not make much since to me, because given the alternatives that two week wait may eventually turn into months without a customer taking them. There were two girls working at a bar on 136 in PP who have both been there over three months and between the two of them they have gone with less than 10 customers in that time, IMO because there are not a lot of customers and they both want top dollar.

With some effort deals can be found outside of the older FLs. However, it takes a bit of effort, thick skin and an upbeat attitude. I've gotten massage girls at the massage place for $20 (I could probably have done $15 which is the FL ST rate, but I am more likely to have a $20 on my). Obviously you still have to pay for the massage but that is a service you would pay for anyone, like getting a hotel. I found that they key with many of them is to be slightly flirtatious during the massage. If you speak a few words of their language, get them out if you can. Casually touching her throughout the massage seems to work a bit better than trying to make her touch you. The oil massage is best for this, as you will usually be naked under the towel. When you get an erection and are on your back, slowly tug at the towel until you are exposed. If she covers you up, lay back and enjoy the massage because you're probably not getting anything extra. If you are really into the girl, you can go back and try again or tell her you like her and ask if you can buy her a soda. Assuming that she does not cover you up, sit up and start to touch her leg. If she is still going along with it, quizzically say boom-boom or point to your dick and then to her pussy. If she indicates that it is okay, get out the money you want to pay ($15-$25) and hand it to her. If she asks for more, just lay down and tell her to finish the massage. She will either take the money and do the deed or she won't, in either case there are tons of massage places and tons of women who will take that money.

If you go the massage route, be as respectful as possible and watch for signs of interest or lack of. Also do not be too presumptuous. For example, I never completely strip unless I get the go ahead or I am there primarily to get laid and plan to be pretty forward about it.

Another option is the girl next door. Cambodian women seem to love hearing men say "I like you" and they also seem more than willing to set a presentable looking man up with their friend or co-worker. My first time in PP I was paying my bill when the waitress caught me staring at another waitress. Caught I bit off guard (and hoping she did not speak much English) I said "wow, she's beautiful." The waitress then asked if I liked the girl to which I shrugged. When she went to get my change, she walked over to the other girl and they both looked in my direction and began talking and giggling. A bit embarrassed, I walked out without my change. Last month I met a guy in Cambodia who meets women doing exactly that. He told me that sometimes they like you and all you have to do is spend a little time and money (take them out for something like a soda but nothing fancy) for them to sleep with you.

[QUOTE=Super Cum 500;1267918]Well based on below reports PP sounds terrible. Why go at all. Maybe ill just write it off and stick with its bigger cousins BKK ANd Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Wow. Hard to believe I'm reading all *these comments about PP. My experiences in the last two months here in PP have been very different. *

But it is definitely not the same sort of place as Bangkok and Pattaya.

In Thailand generally I found the money for sex scene was just that. You found a girl you liked in a bar, paid some money, had sex, and walked away. There are thousands of cute girls in the bars and other places there and almost none will refuse to barfine. *

But they seemed to treat it as a business transaction. There wasn't much of a GFE. So if you just want to pay money to fuck dozens of hot girls, with minimum fuss and hassle, go to Thailand.

Phnom Penh is a much smaller place, with its own distinctive charm. *In PP you are far more likely to have a good GFE if that is what you want. And yes I've found about 10-25% of the girls (depending on the bar) won't go out with customers. But I've never experienced what the recent posters are saying. *

Price: In PP, like other sex destinations, the girls will size you up as you walk into a bar. If you look wealthy, or a sucker tourist, they will ask for a ridiculous price to go with you. Even if you don't look like a sucker sometimes they will try it on. But I've found it very easy to negotiate the price down almost all of the time. *

And if a girl refuses*to go below $50 for all night (and yes, some do refuse) then I just ask another girl I like in the bar what her price is. I've never found that if I refuse the extortionate demands of one girl, that the others ignore me. On the contrary, they come up and try their luck with me. After all, they want and need the money. *

Currently the prices in PP for short time range from $15 for a reasonable freelancer, to $20-25 for a nice girl in a hostess bar, to maybe $40-50 for a stunner at Darling Darling, St Tropez, or one of the bars, if you want to pay that sort of price. *

All night prices are $20-30 for a freelancer, ranging up to $35-50 for a hostess girl. *

To these prices you have to add the barfine for the hostess bar girls, which is commonly $10, sometimes dropping to $5 after midnight. At wham-bam short time bars like Cyrcee, the barfine is $5 plus a compulsory $3 lady drink.

So a good freelancer is quite a bargain.

Attitude: In Thailand, it doesn't really matter: you pay the money, the girl has to go with you. In Cambodia and Phnom Penh they have a different, more conservative culture and attitude. The bargirls are people and will have different attitudes to you depending on a variety of factors such as how clean you smell, how little you grope them in the bar, whether you buy them a ladydrink etc. They often do want to get to know you a little before accepting a barfine and in PP bars they have the option to do so. *

Personally I like this. It makes the whole encounter more enjoyable for me if I know a bit about the girl. So it's cost me a $3 ladydrink. Big deal. *

Some mongers like this attitude, others don't. They want the guaranteed, no hassle cheap fuck. *In PP it's still easy to get a cheap quick fuck with a nice looking girl. Cyrcee Bar, Martini on some nights, Island Bar on 118 all have quick ST girls. But no question Pattaya is better for this. For a whole different experience though, I prefer Phnom Penh.

[QUOTE=Hatguy; 1267813]Rose bar.

What you experienced there I got as well. As soon as it became clear that I would not pay 60 USD TOTAL for SHORT TIME with one girl EVERY other one avoided me as well. This is not smart on their part. Word gets around pretty quick! This bar will not last I think. They are totally fucking themselves by doing it. And its a shame because there are some VERY cute girls there. SHITHOUSE attitudes though![/QUOTE]Rose Bar was the original bar on Street 104 and has been going for over seven years and I would think will keep going for a while yet!

I was in there last week and was asking a few girls about their all-night rates. One girl wanted $50, a couple wanted $40, and a couple more said $40 but hinted strongly that if I was actually going to barfine them, they would drop their asking price. All information discovered for the price of one beer for me and a lady drink for the cashier (often a really good source of information). They all seemed reasonably friendly to me.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1268171]long post.[/QUOTE]Thanks I see your point and it explains the differences well.

In terms of physical appearance and besuty is there much difference between Cam and Thai though. In Cambodia you can get lighter skin, bigger boobs and soemtimes Viet girls?

Or do most find a higher volume of attractive girls in Thailand scene?

Hello Gents,

Going to Phnom Penh in a couple of months for a few days. Never ever been to a Karaoke place and need some advice whether they are worth while in Phnom Penh and what action can I expect at such places. Any recommendations where to go?

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1268175]Rose Bar was the original bar on Street 104 and has been going for over seven years and I would think will keep going for a while yet!

I was in there last week and was asking a few girls about their all-night rates. One girl wanted $50, a couple wanted $40, and a couple more said $40 but hinted strongly that if I was actually going to barfine them, they would drop their asking price. All information discovered for the price of one beer for me and a lady drink for the cashier (often a really good source of information). They all seemed reasonably friendly to me.[/QUOTE]Many thanks AussieGuy100 for the detailed post : I am going to PP from Singapore for some R&R from May 1-4 : shall keep ALL your street smart & very sane words in mind.

Thanks again Sir!

[QUOTE=Super Cum 500; 1268294]Thanks I see your point and it explains the differences well.

In terms of physical appearance and besuty is there much difference between Cam and Thai though. In Cambodia you can get lighter skin, bigger boobs and soemtimes Viet girls?

Or do most find a higher volume of attractive girls in Thailand scene?[/QUOTE]How long is a piece of string? There are absolutely pant-wettingly stunning girls in both Thailand and Cambidia. The girls from Isaan in Northern Thailand are different from girls in the South, and likewise in Cambodia the girls come in all shapes and sizes. I can pretty much guarantee that you will find lots of girls that fit your taste in women. Don't get hung up about it, just book the flight to Thailand or Cambodia and start having fun!

[QUOTE=Jvdairlie; 1268414]Hello, Gents,

Going to Phnom Penh in a couple of months for a few days. Never ever been to a Karaoke place and need some advice whether they are worth while in Phnom Penh and what action can I expect at such places. Any recommendations where to go?[/QUOTE]I've been to only three Karaoke (KTV) places in Cambodia. One in Battambong, one in Sianoukville and one in Phnom Penh. I went to find out whether they were worthwhile from a 'barang' (foreigner) point of view. *

The short answer is no. They are geared entirely to the local Khmer men. A lot of them won't even let foreigners in, often claiming they are 'full'. I was refused entry at about six places.

They range from tiny places with a few girls, to huge glittering palaces with more than fifty girls, almost none of whom speak English. *

The basic procedure is you go in, choose one or more girls, get taken to a room with a big screen and deafening sound system, beers arrive plus some snacks, you choose some songs from a book, and the girl and / or you sing along to the subtitles on the screen. There are usually one or two more girls in the room with you, serving the drinks and working the music system. *

You get encouraged to drink a lot of beer and to tip everybody generously at the end of it. The locals love it, for reasons that escape me. I think it's a mini version of hell. *

What is the quality of the girls? This varies hugely from stunning to fat and ugly. But generally at the bigger and better KTV places, the girls are very attractive. KTV work is seen as more prestigious than working in a hostess bar. *

What can you do with the girls and how much is it going to cost you?

This varies from one KTV to another. From questioning the girls at the three places I went to, it seems about 50-75% of the girls will either go back to your hotel with you or some KTVs have on-site rooms available. *

At the three places they quoted me $40-50 short time and $70-100 all night. I asked whether the locals get a cheaper rate and was told no. A lot of the KTVs are aimed at wealthier locals with money to burn, hence the high asking prices. I'm sure at the very small KTVs the rates will be lower, but so will the quality of the girls. *

My recommendation if you are curious (as I was) , would be to go along to a KTV just for the experience. Check out the girls, maybe have a room and get the girl to sing a few songs, but then leave after paying for a beer and maybe tipping the girl $5. And never go back to a KTV. Head for the bars, discos and nightclubs instead. *

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1268175]Rose Bar was the original bar on Street 104 and has been going for over seven years and I would think will keep going for a while yet!

I was in there last week and was asking a few girls about their all-night rates. One girl wanted $50, a couple wanted $40, and a couple more said $40 but hinted strongly that if I was actually going to barfine them, they would drop their asking price. All information discovered for the price of one beer for me and a lady drink for the cashier (often a really good source of information). They all seemed reasonably friendly to me.[/QUOTE]You are right. I tend to make massive generalizations. Especially when something bad happens. Another friend that went there told me he only had good experiences there and that I should give them another go. Maybe next time I spend more on lady drinks to find out which one actually is interested in going with me.

I wonder if Pitstop still has the great girl called Annie working there. She really took care of me and is lots of fun. Pretty average body but makes up for it with her attitude.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1268127]I'm a bit disheartened to hear about so many people having such a bad time in Cambodia. I have to say that at times the level of ignorance and intolerance that many of the people show nearly drives me to violence, but I really dig the women. Out of the few countries I have mongered in Cambodia remains the only one where I can take 3 girls in a day and still want another if it's before 10pm. Something about the women just does it for me.[/QUOTE]Was in PP January 2011 for a few days and was not overly impressed with the "Looks" of the local gals so I did not get any Action there.

I've just re-discovered these comments. They hit the nail on the head as far as having more success in Phnom Penh bars. Yes it takes a tiny bit of effort, but the rewards are worth it. As I've also said before, if you can't be bothered making these small efforts, go to Thailand for no hassle sex.

[QUOTE=Qxeau; 1256060]Wendella makes a very good point. I've been coming to PP on and off for about three years now. If you dress half decently, have a warm and friendly attitude and try and have some fun with the girls, I find it very easy to hook up with attractive girls any time. Shave (if you are normally clean shaven) before you go out. Any girl prefers smooth to rough. Especially if there is a chance she will let you downstairs. Brush your teeth or carry mints. Works wonders. Basic hygiene and grooming will almost guarantee a better quality experience. Seriously. The number of slobs I see around town is amazing. These girls might be for hire but they have standards too. A little respect goes a long way.

The other thing I will offer is that stingy guys get known and generous guys also get known. By this I mean when at the bar / s having drinks or food. I have found many times that a good tip with the girl behind the bar ends up in some pretty girls coming to say Hello, to me. These girls are not greedy but it seems they want to be with someone nice, not someone stingy. And that's not hard to understand.

I rarely pre-negotiate. Almost always have that discussion after the fact. Never felt like I have overpaid or been ripped off. Treating the girl well removes those issues every time.

Just my thoughts. Take 'them or leave 'them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hatguy;1268762]I wonder if Pitstop still has the great girl called Annie working there. She really took care of me and is lots of fun. Pretty average body but makes up for it with her attitude.[/QUOTE]I'll head there after the Khmer new year break and let you know!

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1268852]I've just re-discovered these comments. They hit the nail on the head as far as having more success in Phnom Penh bars. Yes it takes a tiny bit of effort, but the rewards are worth it. As I've also said before, if you can't be bothered making these small efforts, go to Thailand for no hassle sex.[/QUOTE]The hostess bars don't have enough hot girls to make it worth my while. This is not about me being presentable (which I agree with. You do get a better experience if you dress nicely and shower) or being willing to buy some lady drinks; at least for me. Even if the drinks and LDs in those bars were free, I wouldn't go. I don't want 5 (at best) average chicks hovering around me. I'm there to find hot chicks; they have at most one.

BTW. Hot Thai go go girls are definitely not an automatic barfine though. And certainly not if you want a decent GFE.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Bottom line for me, the hostess bars are too much hassle for too little reward (I. E, not enough hot girls) , but Heart of Darkness and Pontoon have way hotter girls.

Next trip I won't even bother with those hostess bars. They really ruined the first week of my time here.

[quote= Qxeau]Wendella makes a very good point. I've been coming to PP on and off for about three years now. If you dress half decently, have a warm and friendly attitude and try and have some fun with the girls, I find it very easy to hook up with attractive girls any time. Shave (if you are normally clean shaven) before you go out. Any girl prefers smooth to rough. Especially if there is a chance she will let you downstairs. Brush your teeth or carry mints. Works wonders. Basic hygiene and grooming will almost guarantee a better quality experience. Seriously. The number of slobs I see around town is amazing. These girls might be for hire but they have standards too. A little respect goes a long way.

The other thing I will offer is that stingy guys get known and generous guys also get known. By this I mean when at the bar / s having drinks or food. I have found many times that a good tip with the girl behind the bar ends up in some pretty girls coming to say Hello, to me. These girls are not greedy but it seems they want to be with someone nice, not someone stingy. And that's not hard to understand.

I rarely pre-negotiate. Almost always have that discussion after the fact. Never felt like I have overpaid or been ripped off. Treating the girl well removes those issues every time.

Just my thoughts. Take 'them or leave 'them.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1268852]I've just re-discovered these comments. They hit the nail on the head as far as having more success in Phnom Penh bars. Yes it takes a tiny bit of effort, but the rewards are worth it. As I've also said before, if you can't be bothered making these small efforts, go to Thailand for no hassle sex.[/QUOTE]

"Practice basic hygiene and be generous with money"...Seems like rather basic advice that's true for picking up girls in any country, and won't necessarily lead to success in Phnom Penh.

I think the thing with Cambodia is that it's less like a business transaction and more like real romance. There are some cutthroat hags to be found who just want quick cash for a quick fuck, but most of the girls want a boyfriend experience (BFE). If you give them a good one then they'll drop their prices right down for you. If you don't then they'll want the high price or won't go out with you at all.

These girls don't want to work; they want to marry. If you at least let them believe you're open to that eventual possibility, you'll have a better time.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner; 1268902]"Practice basic hygiene and be generous with money". Seems like rather basic advice that's true for picking up girls in any country, and won't necessarily lead to success in Phnom Penh.

I think the thing with Cambodia is that it's less like a business transaction and more like real romance. There are some cutthroat hags to be found who just want quick cash for a quick fuck, but most of the girls want a boyfriend experience (BFE). If you give them a good one then they'll drop their prices right down for you. If you don't then they'll want the high price or won't go out with you at all.

These girls don't want to work; they want to marry. If you at least let them believe you're open to that eventual possibility, you'll have a better time.[/QUOTE]Now I'm confused, actually the fact that he says the girls may be "For Hire". Are we talking about trying to get prostitutes to go with them and pay them money? Shiiiiit if I'm going to make the effort to shave and dress properly, I'll go for a regular girl and not a hooker #Justsayin.

My recommendation if you are curious (as I was) , would be to go along to a KTV just for the experience. Check out the girls, maybe have a room and get the girl to sing a few songs, but then leave after paying for a beer and maybe tipping the girl $5. And never go back to a KTV. Head for the bars, discos and nightclubs instead. *[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information and recommendation Aussieguy. You have made me curious so I think I'll follow your advice and give it a go once. I read that there's a karaoke at Casa Hotel. Can anyone suggest any others worth a look?

My driver turned me on to this place, it's just down the street from the Sofitel:

[url]http://g.co/maps/782d4[/url]

It's the "U" shaped building that looks like (or could be) a large hotel. Apparently several floors of KTV. Skipped the front desk and entered through the parking garage, took the elevator to the 5th floor, there is a fishbowl with about 50 girls, half khmer and half vietnamese.

You pay $6 for an hour massage in a private room, anything else is negotiated between you and the girl. I paid $60 FS, probably too much, but the girl was smoking hot. Also, you are in a bad place to negotiate if you're already in the room, I guess you could refuse and just go for a massage only, which the girl is paid little or nothing for.

Does anyone have any info on this place, like what the name is? The name is on a gate stretching over the small side street leading to the hotel.

[QUOTE=SailSingapore;1259046]Bro Joe : what about Bourgainviller Hotel : girl-friendly?[/QUOTE]Any hotel in Phnom Penh is girl-friendly in that, they can not stop you from bringing a girl up to the room. But many of the fancier hotels require you to leave the girl's I'd at the desk, and they are super strict about it. Not to mention dirty looks from the hotel staff at the front desk. They can not stop you from bringing a girl up but they are not happy about it. Also, they make a copy of the I'd to keep with your file, so they are keeping records of what you are up to (who are they keeping records for and where do they end up)?

Another problem is that only about 10% of the girls have an I'd, a lot of them have lost theirs due to purse snatchings and the like, and it's expensive for them to replace. So you are severely limiting your choice in which girls you can take back. If you plan on bringing any girls to your hotel at all, find one without the I'd requirement. Otherwise, lots of hassles at the desk in front of other guests, walk of shame in the morning, a real pain in the ass.

If you just want a girl for short time, there are plenty of short time hotels for $5-$15 an hour. So you could stay at a fancy place, and just use the short time hotels for mongering, and nobody keeps tabs on what you are up to.

[QUOTE=AsiaVoyager; 1269158]My driver turned me on to this place, it's just down the street from the Sofitel:

[url]http://g.co/maps/782d4[/url]

It's the "U" shaped building that looks like (or could be) a large hotel. Apparently several floors of KTV. Skipped the front desk and entered through the parking garage, took the elevator to the 5th floor, there is a fishbowl with about 50 girls, half khmer and half vietnamese.

You pay $6 for an hour massage in a private room, anything else is negotiated between you and the girl. I paid $60 FS, probably too much, but the girl was smoking hot. Also, you are in a bad place to negotiate if you're already in the room, I guess you could refuse and just go for a massage only, which the girl is paid little or nothing for.

Does anyone have any info on this place, like what the name is? The name is on a gate stretching over the small side street leading to the hotel.[/QUOTE]Is this Soul massage? I went there yesterday paid $30. A Chinese guy told me he pays $20 but it would have been hard to get the girl to go for $20 I think.

They have some sexy girls there.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner; 1268902]"Practice basic hygiene and be generous with money". Seems like rather basic advice that's true for picking up girls in any country, and won't necessarily lead to success in Phnom Penh.

I think the thing with Cambodia is that it's less like a business transaction and more like real romance. There are some cutthroat hags to be found who just want quick cash for a quick fuck, but most of the girls want a boyfriend experience (BFE). If you give them a good one then they'll drop their prices right down for you. If you don't then they'll want the high price or won't go out with you at all.

These girls don't want to work; they want to marry. If you at least let them believe you're open to that eventual possibility, you'll have a better time.[/QUOTE]Less and less true unfortunately, if Cambodian women tend to be more romantic than their thai sisters, they have learn a lot from them. In clear they play with drama, showing you affection. Etc many bar girls has already 2or 3 barang as sponsor. Marriage with barang mean winning the top lotery prizes for her and family. Just look the dowry price for barang. And of course that s not mean the girl has any love feeling for you.

With brothels girls what you explain works more, girls are in debt, their life brothel is very hard. But she will follow you after you paid her brothel debt, but these girls are not in the bar scene and less trained in psychology manipulation.

[QUOTE=Hunt Now; 1269301]Is this Soul massage? I went there yesterday paid $30. A Chinese guy told me he pays $20 but it would have been hard to get the girl to go for $20 I think.

They have some sexy girls there.[/QUOTE]A google search reveals "Soul Golden City" which appears to be in the right location. I'm surprised there are not many listings for it, to book rooms or whatever, since it's supposedly a hotel as well.

Re Sail bSingapore :

I have never heard of the hotel, but if you want to know just email and ask if you can bring a guest and if there is a joiner fee. If they have a joiner fee or say no to guests, then look else where because there are tons of good hotels in PP for under $30 / night. If the girl has no I'd see if the desk will take her cellphone.

RE AsiaVoyager:

Naked on your back does not put you in a bad position if you have some will power. Believe me, you will be amazed by how easily women can be persuaded by cash in hand (visible to them) or a guy who lays back and says just finish massage. As with any sex worker, you need to pay your price and not theirs because their is someone who will happily go for your price.

Re KTVs:

Asian culture and public display of wealth is not like western culture. I met a guy in Laos and his Lao business contact drove at 40, 000USD car, but lived in a traditional wooden house with his family (he shared a bedroom and the bathroom was outside). However, his expensive car was a huge status symbol / panty dropper. I have also met Vietnamese how live in very modest homes / apartments with several other people but have IPhones that they spent 1500USD on. When you talk to them they will tell you that everyone sees you talking on your Iphone but very few people see your home.

AussieGuy, I think you were lied to. Every SE Asia I have met always told me that KTVs and brothels are cheaper for them. Locals, especially the wealthy ones, always get a lower price. I've found that many Vietnamese, Lao and Cambodian sex workers do the work but would rather not have to fuck multiple men to have a comfortable living. Although many of them know that most if not all well of men from their countries will never marry them, many would be happy being some guys mistress, which is why I think even the wealthy locals get a better price.

I only went to one KTV in Cambodia (Siem Reap) and trust me there were better ways to get laid. It was not until I took the girls number and convinced her that I would call later that she gave me a decent price and quit with the upsell bullshit. She also let me know that many of the girls there wait for Japanese tourist (the price she told me Japanese men pay was ridiculous). That being said, unless you want to sing with your friends and maybe take a girl KTVs are not worth it. Unless you are not alone and want to sing or be sang to, there are better ways to get laid.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1269832]Asian culture and public display of wealth is not like western culture. I met a guy in Laos and his Lao business contact drove at 40, 000USD car, but lived in a traditional wooden house with his family (he shared a bedroom and the bathroom was outside). However, his expensive car was a huge status symbol / panty dropper.[/QUOTE]Which brings me to a question I have pondered since 5 minutes after arriving in PP. I have never seen so many Lexus trucks in my life, and new ones at that. Are they giving those things away there? If not how is everybody getting them?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1269936]Which brings me to a question I have pondered since 5 minutes after arriving in PP. I have never seen so many Lexus trucks in my life, and new ones at that. Are they giving those things away there? If not how is everybody getting them?[/QUOTE]Welcome to Cambodia. *

The answer to your question is:

1) By building a successful business. There is a growing wealthy Khmer middle class here, especially in Phnom Penh.

2) Corruption. More common with government officials who are also running a business on the side.

3) Both of the above together. *

Lexus is seen as the 'I have arrived' status symbol in Cambodia. Which is why so many of them have LEXUS in huge letters on the side of the cars, just in case you missed the normal branding. *

The status symbol list goes as follows:

IPhone.

New Honda Dream motorcycle*

Toyota Highlander SUV.

Lexus SUV.

Flashy new house in their home province*

Range Rover SUV*

Flashy new house in Phnom Penh

Anyone have a favorite cheaper place to stay on or near riverside. Around $20 / night, with free wifi in rooms, girl-friendly and clean?

Not Cali2, Flamingo's or Walkabout.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner; 1274552]Anyone have a favorite cheaper place to stay on or near riverside. Around $20 / night, with free wifi in rooms, girl-friendly and clean?

Not Cali2, Flamingo's or Walkabout.[/QUOTE]Off the top of my head: Bright Lotus near the national museum, or Dara Reang Sey on street 118. Can't vouch for wifi in either.

IMHO all mongering places starts out very good. When the country opens up to foreigners like China and Cambodia, country girls with no prospect in their villages flood cities. They tend to be GFE not knowing.

What power they can really have wih their pussy.

Soon many learn the situation. Some become hardened, some become disillussioned and go back home. But there are always fresh suffering girls coming on the scene.

I have heard of farmers in Cambodia selling their young girls to brothels for $10 a month. NGO put a stop to most of it but I am sure still there is a underground market.

These girls now hang around walkabout, HOD and other venues selling themselves. Many unjaded ones still tend to be GFE.

Over time all mongering destinations become commercial, expensive, non-GFE girls.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1274722]IMHO all mongering places starts out very good. When the country opens up to foreigners like China and Cambodia, country girls with no prospect in their villages flood cities. They tend to be GFE not knowing.

What power they can really have wih their pussy.

Soon many learn the situation. Some become hardened, some become disillussioned and go back home. But there are always fresh suffering girls coming on the scene.

I have heard of farmers in Cambodia selling their young girls to brothels for $10 a month. NGO put a stop to most of it but I am sure still there is a underground market.

These girls now hang around walkabout, HOD and other venues selling themselves. Many unjaded ones still tend to be GFE.

Over time all mongering destinations become commercial, expensive, non-GFE girls.[/QUOTE]Oh really? You don't say. What a surprise.

(Sarcasm may apply)

[QUOTE=Wendella;1274655]Off the top of my head: Bright Lotus near the national museum, or Dara Reang Sey on street 118. Can't vouch for wifi in either.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I'll check these out.

Anyone stayed at Fancy guesthouse? OK for girls?

[QUOTE=GentleBoner; 1274941]Thanks, I'll check these out.

Anyone stayed at Fancy guesthouse? OK for girls?[/QUOTE]Try this:

[url]http://canbypublications.com/phnompenh/pphotels.htm[/url]

I've started doing a survey of some of the bars in Phnom Penh to get an idea of how many girls will go out with customers in each bar. The results are quite interesting. I'll post some more results in a few days time, but here are the first few bars I visited. *

Some of the girls will be selective, choosing to go out with some guys but not others. One of the criteria given was the size of your cock! If you have taken a girl out from a bar and then you want to take out a different girl from the same bar, the second girl may well ask the first one if you have a big cock. If you do, the second girl may say no to you. Some of the girls have very small pussies and are scared of being hurt by huge cocks. *

Other reasons for the girls not going out are that they are virgins, or married, or supported by a barang, or just scared. *

Rose Bar street 104 * 15 girls out of 22 will go.

Golden Vine 108 * 17 of 23 will go.

Zapata street 108 * 5 of 20 will go.

Zanzi Bar street 104 * 15 of 25 will go.

Night Flight Bar off street 108 * 4 of 10 will go.

Secrets Cafe street 108 * 8 of 22 will go.

More to follow.

Hey guys, anyone know a pool where they allow people for the day or a gym? I'm going to be in Phnom Penh (with no moving around) for 3 weeks starting Saturday, it's the 4th time in the past year so I'm good with bars, mongering places, ect. But my hotel has no pool and I get bored, also tired of just walking up and down by the river.

[QUOTE=Fishfinger;1278498]Hey guys, anyone know a pool where they allow people for the day or a gym? I'm going to be in Phnom Penh (with no moving around) for 3 weeks starting Saturday, it's the 4th time in the past year so I'm good with bars, mongering places, ect. But my hotel has no pool and I get bored, also tired of just walking up and down by the river.[/QUOTE]The Billabong, not far from the central Market and Walkabout has a pool. It used to be owned and run by Aussies (maybe even still is since its been a little while since I was there).

Cool place to beat the Phnom Penh heat.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1278408]I've started doing a survey of some of the bars in Phnom Penh to get an idea of how many girls will go out with customers in each bar. The results are quite interesting. I'll post some more results in a few days time, but here are the first few bars I visited. *[/QUOTE]

Good info. But how many of those will fuck you only for $50? It doesn't count if they'll only go out for an inflated fee.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1278955]Good info. But how many of those will fuck you only for $50? It doesn't count if they'll only go out for an inflated fee.[/QUOTE]Good point.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1278408]Golden Vine 108 * 17 of 23 will go.[/QUOTE]One of my favourites, but 23 gals? At most I have probably seen around 10 every time I have visited.

[QUOTE=Pak Mike;1279108]One of my favourites, but 23 gals? At most I have probably seen around 10 every time I have visited.[/QUOTE]You raise a good point. In any bar, including the Golden Vine, there will always be some girls who are not present in the bar on any given day, either because they have been barfined early in the evening, or it is their day off, or they are sick, or they have been barfined for a few days holiday by a boyfriend. Also some only work a few hours each evening, especially if they already have a boyfriend overseas who is sending them money each month.

So, as you say, from a total of twenty-plus girls, on some nights there may only be ten to fifteen girls actually in the bar.

I was asking in each bar what the TOTAL number of girls was who worked there, to try and get an idea of the percentage of girls who will go out with customers.

In the Golden Vine there are three cashiers and three drinks mixers, none of whom will go out. So all of the girls on the customer side of the bar will go out, which is good news!

[QUOTE=FrankDenial; 1278797]The Billabong, not far from the central Market and Walkabout has a pool. It used to be owned and run by Aussies (maybe even still is since its been a little while since I was there).

Cool place to beat the Phnom Penh heat.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advise Frank, I'll check it out. I also searched around and found that cambodiana has a Pool + Gym combo for a fee, seems there is quite a few I should be able to find a right fit.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1279189]In the Golden Vine there are three cashiers and three drinks mixers, none of whom will go out. So all of the girls on the customer side of the bar will go out, which is good news![/QUOTE]Yes it is good news. Non of the cashiers drinks mixers have caught my eye, but amongst the others there are a few hot gals. Is one of my favourite places in PP, and has been around for more than five years from my experience.

I will have to go to this place when I am in PP this summer.

[QUOTE=Pak Mike;1279529]Yes it is good news. Non of the cashiers drinks mixers have caught my eye, but amongst the others there are a few hot gals. Is one of my favourite places in PP, and has been around for more than five years from my experience.[/QUOTE]

After a long absence I will be in PP again in a few weeks. What do you guys currently recommend in terms of convenience, P4P, location, comfort between the two? I always stayed at the Sakura "MP" hotel, on Sangkat Chaktomuk, but they don't respond. Many thanks,

I forgot:

I checked the forum and there seems to be no reports on the current situation at Sophie's, my once favored place in PP (among others.

Can somebody update me, please.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter; 1279892]I forgot:

I checked the forum and there seems to be no reports on the current situation at Sophie's, my once favored place in PP (among others.

Can somebody update me, please.[/QUOTE]Sophies is closed. Only one left of the 3 is Cyrcee. Scene has changed considerably from the Sophies days

Any suggestions for a reliable Enduro 250cc or bigger motorcycle rental shop? I used to go to a place on Mongvon Blvd. But they seem to be out of business. Any new issues for renting a motorcycle, besides the now required Cambo license? Many thanks!

[QUOTE=Frankfurter; 1279892]I forgot:

I checked the forum and there seems to be no reports on the current situation at Sophie's, my once favored place in PP (among others.

Can somebody update me, please.[/QUOTE]This Place is dead for years.

When was your last visit in PP?

[QUOTE=Hollow Man;1279904]Sophies is closed. Only one left of the 3 is Cyrcee. Scene has changed considerably from the Sophies days[/QUOTE]Yep, closed but not forgotten. Was one of my favourites. Was a great place to drop a load early in the evening before moving onto more serious mongering.

Last time I tried to go to Billabong to use their pool during the day, they said it was for hotel guests only, and I'd also learned that the hotel had gone non-girl-friendly. Anyone there now can verify if that's still true?

The best pool I was able to find was the one at the Phnom Penh Sports Club on the southwest side of town, a short walk from the Russian market. Very cheap entry fee there.

I think Cambodiana might have put in a new pool, but the one they had a few years ago when I went there was ridiculously tiny for such a large upscale hotel. Has anyone been there recently?

Billabong is still not girl friendly. I think Cambodiana has put in a new pool there are adds around the city for one of the cities hotels pools I will pay closer attention and report back.

One of my friends always goes to the swimming pool at the olympic stadium (3 to 4 times a week). Few people in the morning hours and the never complained about the quality of the water.

Never been there by myself.

[QUOTE=Himbersaft; 1279956]This Place is dead for years.

When was your last visit in PP?[/QUOTE]This is the problem Himbersaft. Many barang live in the golden age of Cambodia. Without realised time have change in Cambodia. Ever Km11 is mentioned. Sophie have been closed by police officaly because the neighbourhood on the opposite buildings was shocked to see Khmer girls sucking barang Dicks at the counter of the bar everynight.

[QUOTE=Channy;1280602]This is the problem Himbersaft. Many barang live in the golden age of Cambodia. Without realised time have change in Cambodia. Ever Km11 is mentioned. Sophie have been closed by police officaly because the neighbourhood on the opposite buildings was shocked to see Khmer girls sucking barang Dicks at the counter of the bar everynight.[/QUOTE]Haven't they heard of curtains?

[QUOTE=Wendella;1281028]Haven't they heard of curtains?[/QUOTE]As far as I remember, nobody could see inside through the window, there was a small balcony with visual cover for BJs performed on the balcony.

But it's years ago when I was there last time, someone correct me if this is wrong.

[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1281037]As far as I remember, nobody could see inside through the window, there was a small balcony with visual cover for BJs performed on the balcony.

But it's years ago when I was there last time, someone correct me if this is wrong.[/QUOTE]Ha! They performed those out on the balcony? I guess curtains would only have protected other customers from having to watch then. How bizarre. So Le Cyrcee is still there, what about the place on the corner across from LC that was named Mikado at one point, is that gone too? It was nothing great, but still just curious.

Mikados has been closed for over 2 years maybe nearly 3. As for blow jobs on the balcony at Sophies that didn't happen at least not from about 2003 when the balcony area was shut off. Things get a little bit exaggerated over time. LCC is still going probably the most expensive ST you can have in PP but the girls are at least not going to be starfish.

Just got back from 8 days riding around Cambodia. Didn't buy a license and didn't have any cop problems. There is a rental place just near the walkabout hotel on the main street.

No hassle and reasonable bikes, though a bit of mechanical knowledge is helpful hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Malengi;1284035]Just got back from 8 days riding around Cambodia…[/QUOTE]Where do you recommend going?

What are some interesting, new, neat, unusual, fun, etc. Things to do outside of the normal spots since you're on your own?

I'll be in country in August for almost 2-weeks.

[QUOTE=Gone Around; 1284492]Where do you recommend going?

What are some interesting, new, neat, unusual, fun, etc. Things to do outside of the normal spots since you're on your own?

I'll be in country in August for almost 2-weeks.[/QUOTE]August will be rainy season so that rules out the Koh Kong to Pursat route over the Cardomans, which was my favourite. PP to Koh Kong is fully paved and a nice ride. Most of the way to Kratie along the Mekong is paved now but it can be a little flat and monotonous. If you take the ferry from kratie Heading to Prasat preah vihear you get some good dirt roads (mud)? And paved. From Preah vihear down to siam Reap is fully paved now and two good stop offs are Ko ker and Baeng Melea. It really depends on what type of rider you are and how far you like to do in one day. You just need a map and some money.

Happy riding

[QUOTE=Gone Around; 1284492]Where do you recommend going?

What are some interesting, new, neat, unusual, fun, etc. Things to do outside of the normal spots since you're on your own?

I'll be in country in August for almost 2-weeks.[/QUOTE]Sorry. I meant the ferry from stung treng to go to prasat preah vihear.

[QUOTE=AsiaVoyager; 1269158]My driver turned me on to this place, it's just down the street from the Sofitel:

[url]http://g.co/maps/782d4[/url][/QUOTE]Also tried. Walked form the Sofitel. Maybe 10 minutes. Down the drive, turn left, and second left. Arrived at about 22:30 and there were only about 10 girls in the fishbowl on 5. Picked 24, and bluntly, she was a bit of a dud. Nicest looking girl in there, not one word of English, (and I honestly forget if she was Khmer or Viet. The desk lady explained the color coding system, but it escapes me now) and a lame massage.

'Boom Boom' says she, and used the phone to quote 100. I pretend to have an MI on the spot and counter with 40. We settle on 50, and I get no BJ and some pretty starfish sex for about 15 minutes, until her pained looks went from being a bit of a turn on to a big turn off. Had her finish me with a HJ, and she treated my cum like it was battery acid. Slightly better than a wank, but not by much.

[QUOTE=Teacup; 1286247]Also tried. Walked form the Sofitel. Maybe 10 minutes. Down the drive, turn left, and second left. Arrived at about 22:30 and there were only about 10 girls in the fishbowl on 5. Picked 24, and bluntly, she was a bit of a dud. Nicest looking girl in there, not one word of English, (and I honestly forget if she was Khmer or Viet. The desk lady explained the color coding system, but it escapes me now) and a lame massage.

'Boom Boom' says she, and used the phone to quote 100. I pretend to have an MI on the spot and counter with 40. We settle on 50, and I get no BJ and some pretty starfish sex for about 15 minutes, until her pained looks went from being a bit of a turn on to a big turn off. Had her finish me with a HJ, and she treated my cum like it was battery acid. Slightly better than a wank, but not by much.[/QUOTE]I just don't see what the attraction of a Phnom Penh fishbowl is. They aren't like the bigger, better Bangkok ones where at least the girls usually make an effort. *

I had a similar experience when I checked out the Paris Hotel fishbowl. I picked a slightly older girl (mid 20's?) in the hope that she might provide a better sex experience, but nope, crap massage, followed *by basic and un-interested sex. Waste of $30. *

Why go and have a lousy massage and get 'starfish' sex at a fishbowl here when for $23 ($15 girl plus $5 barfine plus $3 lady drink) you can go to Cyrcee Bar and choose from 25 eager young girls who will give a decent performance for an hour. Walk in to the bar, pick one (or two) girls, agree the money, and walk out with her to the short-time hotel across the road. All arranged in five minutes. *

Or pick up a nice looking freelancer for $20 all night from Sorya Mall on St 51 or from Walkabout. *

[QUOTE=Teacup; 1286247]Also tried. Walked form the Sofitel. Maybe 10 minutes. Down the drive, turn left, and second left. Arrived at about 22:30 and there were only about 10 girls in the fishbowl on 5. Picked 24, and bluntly, she was a bit of a dud. Nicest looking girl in there, not one word of English, (and I honestly forget if she was Khmer or Viet. The desk lady explained the color coding system, but it escapes me now) and a lame massage.

'Boom Boom' says she, and used the phone to quote 100. I pretend to have an MI on the spot and counter with 40. We settle on 50, and I get no BJ and some pretty starfish sex for about 15 minutes, until her pained looks went from being a bit of a turn on to a big turn off. Had her finish me with a HJ, and she treated my cum like it was battery acid. Slightly better than a wank, but not by much.[/QUOTE]From the Sofitel? Is it near the Japanese Embassy?

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1283220]Mikados has been closed for over 2 years maybe nearly 3. As for blow jobs on the balcony at Sophies that didn't happen at least not from about 2003 when the balcony area was shut off. Things get a little bit exaggerated over time. LCC is still going probably the most expensive ST you can have in PP[/QUOTE]LCC? What is the full name and anything else?

What does this mean?"but the girls are at least not going to be starfish."?

[quote=tconor; 1289111]lcc? what is the full name and anything else?

what does this mean?"but the girls are at least not going to be starfish."?[/quote]i think lcc refers to le cyrcee bar. this is located on the corner of street 49 and street 130.

it seems like a normal hostess bar when you first go in, but it very quickly becomes apparent to you that basically the girls want to arrange a "short time" with you in the $5 hotel across the road from the bar. they cost $15-20 each, plus $5 barfine and compulsory $3 lady drink.

the girls (to me) are reasonably attractive and all of the maybe five different girls i've taken from there have performed fairly well in bed (incl bbbj) and have been quite friendly.

a starfish girl is when she gets on the bed, lies flat on her back, opens her legs and just waits for you to pump away at her, with absolutely no effort or engagement on her part. so with her arms and legs our, she resembles a starfish. this is generally very off-putting and sometimes almost feels like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].

the girls at cyrcee generally make a reasonable effort. and personally i think they aren't that expensive at $23 all up. yes you can get freelancers for $20 all night, but it's pot luck as to whether they are any good, let alone hiv negative.

[quote=aussieguy100; 1289665]i think lcc refers to le cyrcee bar. this is located on the corner of street 49 and street 130.

it seems like a normal hostess bar when you first go in, but it very quickly becomes apparent to you that basically the girls want to arrange a "short time" with you in the $5 hotel across the road from the bar. they cost $15-20 each, plus $5 barfine and compulsory $3 lady drink.

the girls (to me) are reasonably attractive and all of the maybe five different girls i've taken from there have performed fairly well in bed (incl bbbj) and have been quite friendly.

a starfish girl is when she gets on the bed, lies flat on her back, opens her legs and just waits for you to pump away at her, with absolutely no effort or engagement on her part. so with her arms and legs our, she resembles a starfish. this is generally very off-putting and sometimes almost feels like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].

the girls at cyrcee generally make a reasonable effort. and personally i think they aren't that expensive at $23 all up. yes you can get freelancers for $20 all night, but it's pot luck as to whether they are any good, let alone hiv negative.[/quote]when i was thinking starfish i was looking from behind as a greek short, any of that there? how long for the short time how many pops?

will be there in a week or 2 can you suggest anyone special or one not to get? all of age i'm hoping, hard to tell some times.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1289665]I think LCC refers to Le Cyrcee Bar. This is located on the corner of Street 49 and Street 130.

It is saying it is only open form 6 pm, is that so? Any daytime suggestion in the area?

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[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1289665]I think LCC refers to Le Cyrcee Bar. This is located on the corner of Street 49 and Street 130.

It is saying it is only open form 6 pm, is that so? Any daytime suggestion in the area?[/QUOTE]Walkabout Hotel on St 51 is open 24 hours a day. Black Cat, also on 51 is open in the afternoon I think. Both have average to bad freelancers. Also the Sorya Mall on 51 has freelancers in during the day. Just sit at any if the small cafes inside and watch them walk by. There is ALWAYS someone to have sex with on 51, day or night.

[QUOTE=TConor; 1289906]When I was thinking starfish I was looking from behind as a Greek short, any of that there? How long for the short time how many pops?

Will be there in a week or 2 can you suggest anyone special or one not to get? All of age I'm hoping, hard to tell some times.[/QUOTE]As far as I know (having asked this question of the girls about a week ago) there is only one regular girl at Cyrcee who does anal. But she is lovely, beautiful face, body and pussy. Can't remember her name. Just ask any of the girls in there which one does anal or "roon coot" in Khmer. They will point the girl out. I gave her $30 for short time, blowjob and anal included.

Two of the other girls I was talking to said they would try it with me, but fingers only first, but I suspect they would bottle out before a cock entered their little bums!

A short time from Cyrcee is usually one pop and up to about an hour long. But if you negotiate with the girl before you take her, and say you want two pops in the time, I'm sure she will agree for an extra $5, so $20 instead of $15. Bargain.

Yes I'm pretty sure the girls are all 18 or over. Recommendations? Just pick one that you like. They will all perform fairly well. If you then come back and take the same girl for a second time, she will really perform well as she thinks you like her.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1290001][QUOTE=TConor; 1289912]Walkabout Hotel on St 51 is open 24 hours a day. Black Cat, also on 51 is open in the afternoon I think. Both have average to bad freelancers. Also the Sorya Mall on 51 has freelancers in during the day. Just sit at any if the small cafes inside and watch them walk by. There is ALWAYS someone to have sex with on 51, day or night.[/QUOTE]So reall The place doesn't open until 6pm?

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1280323]Last time I tried to go to Billabong to use their pool during the day, they said it was for hotel guests only, and I'd also learned that the hotel had gone non-girl-friendly. Anyone there now can verify if that's still true?

The best pool I was able to find was the one at the Phnom Penh Sports Club on the southwest side of town, a short walk from the Russian market. Very cheap entry fee there.

I think Cambodiana might have put in a new pool, but the one they had a few years ago when I went there was ridiculously tiny for such a large upscale hotel. Has anyone been there recently?[/QUOTE]According to their web site, Billibong requires farang with local to show marriage license. I'd consider that less than monger friendly.

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[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1290001]So reall The place doesn't open until 6pm?[/QUOTE]If their website says 6pm, then yes they probably don't open until 6pm. Most bars open about 4 or 5 pm, but the girls are often doing their make-up etc in the first hour or so.

Best time to visit Cyrcee is about 7-8pm, when the girls are fresh and there is a big selection available.

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[QUOTE=TConor; 1290034]Best time to visit Cyrcee is about 7-8pm, when the girls are fresh and there is a big selection available.[/QUOTE]Yes, this has certainly been my experience.

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[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1290443]Yes, this has certainly been my experience.[/QUOTE]Can't break away at night very likely.

[QUOTE=TConor; 1290667][QUOTE=Pak Mike; 1290640]Can't break away at night very likely.[/QUOTE]Daytime can be a bit boring in PP.

I would suggest you drop by the Walkabout bar at about 3-4 pm. At that time of day there seems to be a decent selection of freelancers available. It can be hit and miss at times but if you are patient and lucky enough it's possible to find a diamond amongst the rough.

Sorya Golden Mall (just around the corner from Walkabout on st 51) also has some freelancers hanging around in the afternoon.

Another option is the Sakura Hotel on st 242 which also operates as a massage place with extras available. Been there a couple of times but haven't been impressed with the prices or the service on offer. But who knows, you might be more lucky.

Hey everyone. Been to PP once, going back in a few months. Where is the best place for 2 girl action? I had no luck the first time.

Where's a good place to find 2 girl action in PP? I had no luck the last time I was there.

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[QUOTE=TConor; 1290667]Sorya Golden Mall (just around the corner from Walkabout on st 51) also has some freelancers hanging around in the afternoon.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.travelpod.com********index.php?showtopic=160183[/url]

This is a report about apparently organized gang muggings of tourists at Sorya. Does anybody know if this is for real? N

Golden Soriya Mall on St 51 (Sorya Mall is the big indoor mall near Central Market) is picking up in action. But take this as you will, a lot of girls that hang out there are the ones that have been banned from Walkabout for various reasons. I just walked by there tonight to get a pizza from the new cart next door to Black Cat. Then I walked back to my apartment past Central Market around 3:30 a.m. As I have done dozens of times. No gangs ever seen. The biggest potential problems are around the discos, especially when they are closing. That is primarily because of the drunks. BTW, the pizza was pretty good.

[QUOTE=Jeff7700;1291248]Where's a good place to find 2 girl action in PP? I had no luck the last time I was there.[/QUOTE]Have had 2 & 3 girl action at LCC.

[QUOTE=Jeff7700;1291248]Where's a good place to find 2 girl action in PP? I had no luck the last time I was there.[/QUOTE]LCC (Cyrcee Bar) is good. Take 2, 3 as many girls as you want, at $15 each. Generally they like a guy taking multiple girls as it is less work for them individually once they are in your room!

I've also found that many girls in most of the hostess bars are happy to come with another girl from the same bar.

It may change their attitude to you during the session though. If you take only one girl she is more likely to give you the GFE, but with two, they think you just want them purely for sex, and are often less likely to volunteer hugs, kisses and affection.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1291341]but with two, they think you just want them purely for sex, and are often less likely to volunteer hugs, kisses and affection.[/QUOTE]They don't know that they Pro? I don't get it.

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[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1291059][url]Http://www.travelpod.com********index.php?showtopic=160183[/url]

This is a report about apparently organized gang muggings of tourists at Sorya. Does anybody know if this is for real? N[/QUOTE]Nah, I hang out there most nights when I'm in PP. Shoot some pool, decent food available and $2 jugs of Anchor, can't beat that when trying to kill a few hours.

The only mugging you will likely encounter there is by the streetkids begging for Riel. It's safe.

[QUOTE=John Palmer;1291412]They don't know that they Pro? I don't get it.[/QUOTE]Well, believe it or not, the 'pro's' are human beings with feelings.

And Cambodia is not like Thailand, the bar girl culture is different.

In Cambodia the girls are more likely to think that you are choosing them because you like them, not purely because you want their body for sex. It is a little fantasy they have. So if you take two of them, they then know you are just indulging your own sexual desires, and don't have any particular feelings for them as an individual. This may result in them them just going through the sexual motions rather than showing any affection for you.

I have definitely noticed this here in Phnom Penh. So if I do genuinely like a girl, I don't take her with another girl. On the other hand when I'm in the mood for a threesome, their slightly offhand attitude doesn't bother me.

I'll be travelling to Cambodia soon to see the Angkor what, and I have some questions on the safety of PP since I've read some conflicting reports.

While PP seems safe in most respects, there's a chance I might be visiting some of the riskier locations, and I'll be doing it alone. When I do monger, street brothels are usually my venue of choice, since I'm a quantity over quality guy. When foreigners visit these types of places in PP, is it common for them to go alone, or will they generally bring someone with them? I'm fine with taking on some risk of getting robbed, but anything involving physical danger or getting busted isn't acceptable.

With that in mind, I read on a post elsewhere to avoid soliciting taxi drivers because it could lead to stings. I will be taking every precaution to spot and avoid illegal providers, and so I don't expect that to be a problem. But even though I'll be engaging in acitivities that can't get me busted, I'll also be on vacation, and so would still like to get as far away as possible from places where a sting might occur, just for the sake of peace of mind. On that note, I'd like to hear some more reports about whether taxi drivers really are that risky. And could street brothels also lead to those sorts of traps?

A bit dated, but a couple of gals I had at LCC some time ago.

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[QUOTE=TConor; 1290667]Daytime can be a bit boring in PP.

I would suggest you drop by the Walkabout bar at about 3-4 pm. At that time of day there seems to be a decent selection of freelancers available. It can be hit and miss at times but if you are patient and lucky enough it's possible to find a diamond amongst the rough.

Sorya Golden Mall (just around the corner from Walkabout on st 51) also has some freelancers hanging around in the afternoon.

Another option is the Sakura Hotel on st 242 which also operates as a massage place with extras available. Been there a couple of times but haven't been impressed with the prices or the service on offer. But who knows, you might be more lucky.[/QUOTE]Action at the Asia Hotel or the Flamingo Hotel?

[QUOTE=Pak Mike;1291726]A bit dated, but a couple of gals I had at LCC some time ago.[/QUOTE]They look kind of young. Nice pussy hair. I blow it and them I search for the entrance. Than you for the post.

[QUOTE=TConor; 1291756][QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1291059]Action at the Asia Hotel or the Flamingo Hotel?[/QUOTE]The Paris Hotel?

[QUOTE=Pak Mike;1291726]A bit dated, but a couple of gals I had at LCC some time ago.[/QUOTE]I love the 3rd pic Mike.

Nicely composed with everything nicely focused.

The contrast of the white shit face makeup and the brown body is particularly artistic.

I must try LCC. I have only ever been in Walkabout (on a quiet night).

Do the bar girls and freelancers at say LCC or Walkabout hotel carry condoms?

I've been in Phnom Penh for a little bit now and so thought I should share my experiences and thoughts.

1. Massage: I do like a good massage and extras. The best place I found so far is Panda Massage (242 and 55). While the girls aren't stunners, they give a solid oil massage ($8 per hour) and good hand relief, including a balls massage, for $10 and you can play with their tits. I've had 3 so far, #10 is the best. Excellent technique. I also went Sokun's place. And in general the massages aren't as good but not bad. Same price for HJ. And the girls are younger.

The cheapest place I found is the massage between 80 and 84 (or around there) on Sisowath near the river. There are 3 massage shops, each 10, 000 riel for an hour (though they give you less time) and in the middle shop is one cute girl with big tits. About 22-23 and no baby. And for $5 she'll let you suck her tits and gives a good wank. I asked for a titfuck and a blowjob and got turned down even after offering more money.

2. Fishbowls: I checked Sakura and it was pretty dire. Three marginal girls and wanted $12 (though went down to $6 quickly) for an hour so I walked out. Yang Mey is better but didn't have any girls my type. Skinny with big tits. So I didn't take any. $5 or $6 per hour. Haven't been to Paris but did go to Soul twice. I found that it's about $30 for a shag and one of the girls gave a decent CBJ but the other was who cuter refused. Though they just lay there and complain about size or want you to cm quickly. Not a great experience. And definitely better in Bangkok.

3. Bars: Also went to Cyrcee and there's one cutie who's really skinny with nice tits (named Sreta or something like that) and give a decent BBJ but also wanted me to cum after a while. A few other cuties there. Have also checked out the hostess bars and think that the best ones are on 104, better than 136, and think Rose bar has a few sexy ones including a few busty ones and Oscar definitely has one real busty broad with a good body. Haven't been to bars though in other areas. Any recommendations of where to find some hotties?

For some of the best ones, I've paid $40 LT + bar which is $10 in these bars. I've also gotten $20 ST from another. Think though can probably get $30 LT but the hotter ones might not want it. The sex itself is OK but these in general don't like to give BJs unless they're drunk which is pretty disappointing. I heard that on 110 and other places they'll give a BJ. Any recs?

4. Clubs: I've been briefly to Heart of Darkness and Pontoon (with a girl). Lot of pros at both. At Heart was talking to one but she wasn't very friendly at all and very so was turned me off.

5. Observations / Questions:

As I mentioned, I like skinny girls with big tits and they're not that many around. It seems also that Cambodian women aren't in as good as shape Thai and Lao women. They're chubbier and less curved. I also think the gene pool is better in those countries. Cambodians are in general though very friendly and sweet and it's definitely cheaper here than Thailand, especially Bangkok. However, as I wrote about earlier, it's harder than Thailand to find girls willing to give oral and who have good skills.

Besides Cyrcee, does anybody have a recommendation of a good ST place where the girls are cute and perform well? Any other good massage places?

Also, how do girls in Sihanoukville compare to the ones here?

[QUOTE=GendahBuzz; 1292288]I've been in Phnom Penh for a little bit now and so thought I should share my experiences and thoughts.

1. Massage: I do like a good massage and extras. The best place I found so far is Panda Massage (242 and 55). While the girls aren't stunners, they give a solid oil massage ($8 per hour) and good hand relief, including a balls massage, for $10 and you can play with their tits. I've had 3 so far, #10 is the best. Excellent technique. I also went Sokun's place. And in general the massages aren't as good but not bad. Same price for HJ. And the girls are younger.

1# You are saying $10 total right not $8 + $10 tip?

The cheapest place I found is the massage between 80 and 84 (or around there) on Sisowath near the river. There are 3 massage shops, each 10, 000 riel for an hour (though they give you less time) and in the middle shop is one cute girl with big tits. About 22-23 and no baby. And for $5 she'll let you suck her tits and gives a good wank. I asked for a titfuck and a blowjob and got turned down even after offering more money.

2. # This (80 and 84 (or around there) on Sisowath near the river) isn't near what Phnom? I here that's not a good place to go#

2. Fishbowls: I checked Sakura and it was pretty dire. Three marginal girls and wanted $12 (though went down to $6 quickly) for an hour so I walked out. Yang Mey is better but didn't have any girls my type. Skinny with big tits. So I didn't take any. $5 or $6 per hour. Haven't been to Paris but did go to Soul twice. I found that it's about $30 for a shag and one of the girls gave a decent CBJ but the other was who cuter refused. Though they just lay there and complain about size or want you to cm quickly. Not a great experience. And definitely better in Bangkok.

3# Where and what is Soul? MP? Hotel?

3. Bars: Also went to Cyrcee and there's one cutie who's really skinny with nice tits (named Sreta or something like that) and give a decent BBJ but also wanted me to cum after a while. A few other cuties there. Have also checked out the hostess bars and think that the best ones are on 104, better than 136, and think Rose bar has a few sexy ones including a few busty ones and Oscar definitely has one real busty broad with a good body. Haven't been to bars though in other areas. Any recommendations of where to find some hotties?

For some of the best ones, I've paid $40 LT + bar which is $10 in these bars. I've also gotten $20 ST from another. Think though can probably get $30 LT but the hotter ones might not want it. The sex itself is OK but these in general don't like to give BJs unless they're drunk which is pretty disappointing. I heard that on 110 and other places they'll give a BJ. Any recs?

4. Clubs: I've been briefly to Heart of Darkness and Pontoon (with a girl). Lot of pros at both. At Heart was talking to one but she wasn't very friendly at all and very so was turned me off.

5. Observations / Questions:

As I mentioned, I like skinny girls with big tits and they're not that many around. It seems also that Cambodian women aren't in as good as shape Thai and Lao women. They're chubbier and less curved. I also think the gene pool is better in those countries. Cambodians are in general though very friendly and sweet and it's definitely cheaper here than Thailand, especially Bangkok. However, as I wrote about earlier, it's harder than Thailand to find girls willing to give oral and who have good skills.

Besides Cyrcee, does anybody have a recommendation of a good ST place where the girls are cute and perform well? Any other good massage places?

Also, how do girls in Sihanoukville compare to the ones here?[/QUOTE]See within above for ref.

1# You are saying $10 total right not $8 + $10 tip?

2. # This (80 and 84 (or around there) on Sisowath near the river) isn't near what Phnom? I here that's not a good place to go#

3# Where and what is Soul? MP? Hotel?

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[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1291059]Action at the Asia Hotel or the Flamingo Hotel?[/QUOTE]Only ever stayed at Flamingo once on my first trip about 3 years ago.

At night you might find a couple of freelancers sitting at the bar or playing pool.

You do see them coming in and out of the place as Flamingos is a popular mongers hotel.

Don't know about Asia Hotel. Never stayed there.

[QUOTE=TConor; 1292095][QUOTE=TConor; 1291756]The Paris Hotel?[/QUOTE]Never been there myself but there's a fishbowl on level 4 or 5.

I remember reading posts in this thread from some members who tried the place out.

Read back a bit and you'll find some info re. Paris Hotel.

[QUOTE=TConor;1292214]Do the bar girls and freelancers at say LCC or Walkabout hotel carry condoms?[/QUOTE]Nope, never seen a Walkabout girl whip a condom out of her bag. But then again, I always come prepared so there's no need for the girl to carry any.

Don't know about Cyrcee girls.

[QUOTE=TConor; 1292486]See within above for ref.

1# You are saying $10 total right not $8 + $10 tip?

2. # This (80 and 84 (or around there) on Sisowath near the river) isn't near what Phnom? I here that's not a good place to go#

3# Where and what is Soul? MP? Hotel?[/QUOTE]To answer your questions:

1. No, it's $18 total. Never had a $2 HJ before. $8 to the shop and $10 to the masseuse.

2. It's north of what Phnom on Sisowath. I don't think it's a "bad" area to go, just a more local area with few foreigners. Never had any problems there.

3. The location of Soul has been described in earlier posts but anyway it's near the corner of Norodom and Mao Tse Toung. If you're coming from Monivong, it's past Norodom (on the way to the Sofitel) and you'll see a sign for Soul on Samdach. See here:

[url]https://maps.google.com/maps/place?ftid=0x310951285301c917:0x6c48035043eb23&q=11.544406,104.929841&ie=UTF8&ll=11.54489,104.929776&spn=0.000021,0.000021&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=6[/url]

Also, just revisited Soul Massage today and had a good experience. Will write about it soon. The only thing I'll say now is I recommend #44.

[QUOTE=TConor;1292214]Do the bar girls and freelancers at say LCC or Walkabout hotel carry condoms?[/QUOTE]No, most girls I've seen do not have condoms with them. You can purchase condoms at some ST hotels though.

[QUOTE=GendahBuzz; 1292653]To answer your questions:

1. No, it's $18 total. Never had a $2 HJ before. $8 to the shop and $10 to the masseuse.

2. It's north of what Phnom on Sisowath. I don't think it's a "bad" area to go, just a more local area with few foreigners. Never had any problems there.

3. The location of Soul has been described in earlier posts but anyway it's near the corner of Norodom and Mao Tse Toung. If you're coming from Monivong, it's past Norodom (on the way to the Sofitel) and you'll see a sign for Soul on Samdach. See here:

[url]https://maps.google.com/maps/place?ftid=0x310951285301c917:0x6c48035043eb23&q=11.544406,104.929841&ie=UTF8&ll=11.54489,104.929776&spn=0.000021,0.000021&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=6[/url]

Also, just revisited Soul Massage today and had a good experience. Will write about it soon. The only thing I'll say now is I recommend #44.[/QUOTE]Thanks again, but if Pp is inexpensive $18 for a HJ seems high.

[QUOTE=TConor;1292815]Thanks again, but if Pp is inexpensive $18 for a HJ seems high.[/QUOTE]It's not $18 for a HJ. It's $8 for a reasonable one hour massage, and then a $5-10 tip for a handjob finish.

I'm sure you could ask any Walkabout girl and she'd be happy to do just a handjob for $5 or so. But when they sometimes only charge $15-20 for all night, why bother with a quick HJ.

Are they still around? What's the cross street area?

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1292895]It's not $18 for a HJ. It's $8 for a reasonable one hour massage, and then a $5-10 tip for a handjob finish.

I'm sure you could ask any Walkabout girl and she'd be happy to do just a handjob for $5 or so. But when they sometimes only charge $15-20 for all night, why bother with a quick HJ.[/QUOTE]Well today I just been to one cafe near soriya mall with a quick sex cost only 10$ and she's only 21 but no BJ no multiple possition!

[QUOTE=Dara Chim;1293408]Well today I just been to one cafe near soriya mall with a quick sex cost only 10$ and she's only 21 but no BJ no multiple possition![/QUOTE]So need better detailed addresses / directions. Will be with someone and may only get brief chances to get away.

Will be there late Monday so the sooner the better. Only there for 4 days.

[QUOTE=TConor; 1293586]So need better detailed addresses / directions. Will be with someone and may only get brief chances to get away.

Will be there late Monday so the sooner the better. Only there for 4 days.[/QUOTE]Just take a tuk tuk to the Walkabout. Check inside. If you find a girl you like, take her for short time for $10-15. If nothing there to your taste, walk along the section of Street 51 between the Walkabout and the Sorya Gold Mall about 100 yards away. Many girls will try to get your attention. Chose one. Negotiate price. Probably $10-15 short time. Ask her to take you to a nearby short time hotel (around $5).

You seem to be worrying that with only a short time frame to have fun in, that you won't find an attractive girl to fuck. Believe me you will find someone in that area of Street 51 within 10 minutes, any time of day or night. Or if it's 6pm onwards, also try the nearby Cyrcee bar (St 49 near St 130). Follow the same process as above.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1293735]Just take a tuk tuk to the Walkabout. Check inside. If you find a girl you like, take her for short time for $10-15. If nothing there to your taste, walk along the section of Street 51 between the Walkabout and the Sorya Gold Mall about 100 yards away. Many girls will try to get your attention. Chose one. Negotiate price. Probably $10-15 short time. Ask her to take you to a nearby short time hotel (around $5).[/QUOTE]Are there any cute 18-21yo non-mothers to be found here or are they all older dogs?

As I did last time I am planning to visit Sihanoukville and PP. I and had a great time in both places.

I may have some questions but meanwhile I would like to share my photos from HOD club and Sihanoukville.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1293735]Just take a tuk tuk to the Walkabout. Check inside. If you find a girl you like, take her for short time for $10-15. If nothing there to your taste, walk along the section of Street 51 between the Walkabout and the Sorya Gold Mall about 100 yards away. Many girls will try to get your attention. Chose one. Negotiate price. Probably $10-15 short time. Ask her to take you to a nearby short time hotel (around $5).

You seem to be worrying that with only a short time frame to have fun in, that you won't find an attractive girl to fuck. Believe me you will find someone in that area of Street 51 within 10 minutes, any time of day or night. Or if it's 6pm onwards, also try the nearby Cyrcee bar (St 49 near St 130). Follow the same process as above.[/QUOTE]So can I just walk into walkabout and choose a girl like a brothel or what?

I only had 5 hr in PP but I booked a room at Flamingo since they only ask for 20. It is near HOD, walkabout and several other bars. I didn't sea anything I like at the bar so I went to Paris hotel for some massage. Pick a spinner and she just start this month so still very shy. She got nice boobs but won't let me take pictures. She was open to different positions. Overall it was 25. Went back to the hotel, stop by the bar again and still don't see anything so took a shower then went to the airport. HOpe to go back soon.

[QUOTE=Dara Chim;1294382]So can I just walk into walkabout and choose a girl like a brothel or what?[/QUOTE]Walkabout is a 24 hour bar, not a brothel.

You walk in, order a drink and check out the available ladies that sit around / play pool.

If you see someone you like make eye contact and go join her for a chat or ask her to come over. If you like her negotiate a price for ST / LT and off you go.

It's really not rocket science mate (no offence meant!)

I spent last week in PP. I don't monger there anymore as I have a steady GF who now lives back in the provinces and comes to visit me whenever I'm in town. We spent a bit of time at the Walkabout every afternoon and most nights we would hang out at Golden Soriya Mall.

At both venues there were a number of very doable chicks available. I like Soriya Mall, cheap beer and food. 3 pooltables. The only thing that annoys me about the place are the hundreds of vendors and kid beggars that are a constant hassle. I understand these people have to put food in their stomachs, but some nights it's really non stop.

Dropped by Martinis on Sunday night and it was pretty dead, very few punters and a collection of ugly working girls with only 2 or 3 exceptions. I hate how dark that place is so I very rarely go there, but my girl wanted to boogie for a while. Have to say though that watching the girls trying to dance in their high heels at the little airconned disco is always a good source of amusement.

[QUOTE=Dara Chim;1294382]So can I just walk into walkabout and choose a girl like a brothel or what?[/QUOTE]Yes and no. Most brothels pretty much involve you selecting a girl and then paying someone. At walkabout you will find freelancers. This will leave you with two options:

1) If you see a woman you want go up and talk to her, maybe buy a coke if you want. Gauge her interest and negotiate for her services.

2) Wait to be approached by a woman. Depending on the customer / freelancer ratio this could take 5 minutes or 5 hours.

If you are a bit timid and just want to walk up, pick a girl, pay and have no fuss then Cyrcee is probably the main place that comes to mind. It is a bit more expensive, but given the quantity of girls who rarely get bar fined a deal can be hd.

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1294881]Walkabout is a 24 hour bar, not a brothel.

You walk in, order a drink and check out the available ladies that sit around / play pool.

If you see someone you like make eye contact and go join her for a chat or ask her to come over. If you like her negotiate a price for ST / LT and off you go.

It's really not rocket science mate (no offence meant!)

I spent last week in PP. I don't monger there anymore as I have a steady GF who now lives back in the provinces and comes to visit me whenever I'm in town. We spent a bit of time at the Walkabout every afternoon and most nights we would hang out at Golden Soriya Mall.

At both venues there were a number of very doable chicks available. I like Soriya Mall, cheap beer and food. 3 pooltables. The only thing that annoys me about the place are the hundreds of vendors and kid beggars that are a constant hassle. I understand these people have to put food in their stomachs, but some nights it's really non stop.

Dropped by Martinis on Sunday night and it was pretty dead, very few punters and a collection of ugly working girls with only 2 or 3 exceptions. I hate how dark that place is so I very rarely go there, but my girl wanted to boogie for a while. Have to say though that watching the girls trying to dance in their high heels at the little airconned disco is always a good source of amusement.[/QUOTE]Hmmm yesterday I just ride around there with my big motor but when I ride cross there it's seem most of those girls interest only foreigners who's europe not me who's asian!

[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1294892]Yes and no. Most brothels pretty much involve you selecting a girl and then paying someone. At walkabout you will find freelancers. This will leave you with two options:

1) If you see a woman you want go up and talk to her, maybe buy a coke if you want. Gauge her interest and negotiate for her services.

2) Wait to be approached by a woman. Depending on the customer / freelancer ratio this could take 5 minutes or 5 hours.

If you are a bit timid and just want to walk up, pick a girl, pay and have no fuss then Cyrcee is probably the main place that comes to mind. It is a bit more expensive, but given the quantity of girls who rarely get bar fined a deal can be hd.[/QUOTE]Hmmm but I should have a company with, right? It's better than walk inside alone and don't know where to sit!

"Hmmm but I should have a company with, right? It's better than walk inside alone and don't know where to sit!"

Not at all. You can be alone or with friends. All the bars are very similar in layout. There is a bar with barstools, plus some tables with chairs. Many bars also have sofas (lounges) , usually towards the back of the bars, where you can get really comfortable and close with a girl or two.

Just walk in, choose where to sit, and a number of girls will come up and say hello. Often as you enter the bar some girls will welcome you and ask where you would like to sit. All very easy and relaxed.

Cyrcee bar is slightly different as their aim is to get you in, choose a girl for short time, and get you and the girl (s) our to the short time hotel quickly. So there is a small bar with about six seats and all the twenty or so girls sit on small high stools against the back wall. As you enter you will be rushed by a few girls all saying how good they are at blow jobs and "boom boom". When you're seated at the bar you can also turn round and check out all the other girls sitting against the back wall.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1295085]"Hmmm but I should have a company with, right? It's better than walk inside alone and don't know where to sit!"

Cyrcee bar is slightly different as their aim is to get you in, choose a girl for short time, and get you and the girl (s) our to the short time hotel quickly. So there is a small bar with about six seats and all the twenty or so girls sit on small high stools against the back wall. As you enter you will be rushed by a few girls all saying how good they are at blow jobs and "boom boom". When you're seated at the bar you can also turn round and check out all the other girls sitting against the back wall.[/QUOTE]I have not been in Cyrcee for a long time, but is there still the sample blowjob for a dollar each?

BTW when you walk outside Cyrcee (Cyrcee in your back) slightly to the right, opposite side of the street there is a barbershop. Great massage by average (not bad!) looking girls and because the shop owner does not seems to like it, a BBBJ as the finishing touch for a 5 dollar tip. Okay, they ask 10, but that is the market. If they would ask 20, you like to end up with 10 so when ask 10, offer 5. Take it or leave it. No idea what I paid for the 1 hour massage. 6 or 8 dollar I suppose.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1295085]"Hmmm but I should have a company with, right? It's better than walk inside alone and don't know where to sit!"

Not at all. You can be alone or with friends. All the bars are very similar in layout. There is a bar with barstools, plus some tables with chairs. Many bars also have sofas (lounges) , usually towards the back of the bars, where you can get really comfortable and close with a girl or two.

Just walk in, choose where to sit, and a number of girls will come up and say hello. Often as you enter the bar some girls will welcome you and ask where you would like to sit. All very easy and relaxed.

Cyrcee bar is slightly different as their aim is to get you in, choose a girl for short time, and get you and the girl (s) our to the short time hotel quickly. So there is a small bar with about six seats and all the twenty or so girls sit on small high stools against the back wall. As you enter you will be rushed by a few girls all saying how good they are at blow jobs and "boom boom". When you're seated at the bar you can also turn round and check out all the other girls sitting against the back wall.[/QUOTE]Oh sound very interesting but yesterday I just ride around there with my big motor but when I ride cross there it's seem most of those girls interest only foreigners who's europe not me who's asian!

[QUOTE=Dara Chim;1294933]Hmmm yesterday I just ride around there with my big motor but when I ride cross there it's seem most of those girls interest only foreigners who's europe not me who's asian![/QUOTE]I'm very pleased for you that you have a big moto. (LOL, just teasing)

So, did you actually go inside or did you just stand outside looking in what was going on?

Your claim that the girls are only interested in Western guys is wrong, I see plenty of Asians in there whenever I'm in town and yes, the girls go with Asians too.

After all, the girls are really only interested in what's inside your wallet, not where you are from.

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1295224]I'm very pleased for you that you have a big moto. (LOL, just teasing)

So, did you actually go inside or did you just stand outside looking in what was going on?

Your claim that the girls are only interested in Western guys is wrong, I see plenty of Asians in there whenever I'm in town and yes, the girls go with Asians too.

After all, the girls are really only interested in what's inside your wallet, not where you are from.[/QUOTE]I use to see once when the asian guy ride a big motor go there and 4-5 girls look happy and walk to the guy but when the guy take off the helmet and not western those girls do like "duh"!

"Your claim that the girls are only interested in Western guys is wrong, I see plenty of Asians in there whenever I'm in town and yes, the girls go with Asians too."

In fact many girls prefer Asians, for two reasons. The first is that Japanese and Koreans are often willing to pay higher prices for sex (and are largely responsible for generally driving up prices in the last year or so, IMHO).

The second reason is that many girls tell me that Asians often have smaller cocks and so aren't as likely to hurt the girls. Many girls are wary of Europeans, as some of them have big cocks which are painful for their small pussies.

A trick some girls do is to gently rub a guy's cock through his trousers in the bar to get him aroused. They can then feel the size of his cock wirh their hand and see how big or small it is. This will sometimes determine whether they will go out with the guy or not.

So if anything Asians have an advantage in the bars compared to Europeans or Americans!

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1295248]In fact many girls prefer Asians, for two reasons. The first is that Japanese and Koreans are often willing to pay higher prices for sex (and are largely responsible for generally driving up prices in the last year or so, IMHO)

The second reason is that many girls tell me that Asians often have smaller cocks and so aren't as likely to hurt the girls. Many girls are wary of Europeans, as some of them have big cocks which are painful for their small pussies.[/QUOTE]You forgot the third reason, most Asian men prefer short-time.

And you are right about them driving up the prices. The guys doing visa runs from LOS are also to blame. And now that there are flights from the PI, it won't get any better for us here in PP.

[QUOTE=Titanio; 1295128]I have not been in Cyrcee for a long time, but is there still the sample blowjob for a dollar each?

BTW when you walk outside Cyrcee (Cyrcee in your back) slightly to the right, opposite side of the street there is a barbershop. Great massage by average (not bad!) looking girls and because the shop owner does not seems to like it, a BBBJ as the finishing touch for a 5 dollar tip. Okay, they ask 10, but that is the market. If they would ask 20, you like to end up with 10 so when ask 10, offer 5. Take it or leave it. No idea what I paid for the 1 hour massage. 6 or 8 dollar I suppose.[/QUOTE]The one dollar sample blowjob has not been on offer at Cycree in my experience.

Mmmm, interesting tip on the barbershop, thanks.

[QUOTE=Pak Mike; 1295490]The one dollar sample blowjob has not been on offer at Cycree in my experience.

Mmmm, interesting tip on the barbershop, thanks.[/QUOTE]To Pak mike

That is a long long time ago Sophie use to offer that 3-5 girl offer a sample a minute BBBJ for one USD each in front of every one, you pick a winner and go to a ST room for FS 15 USD I have done this back in 2002 is expensive back in the days you can get 6 USD FS from the brothel all over PP.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1292581]Nope, never seen a Walkabout girl whip a condom out of her bag. But then again, I always come prepared so there's no need for the girl to carry any.

Don't know about Cyrcee girls.[/QUOTE]To Leftfield

Most walkabout girl have condom but they rather use your to save their own, but I always use my own better quality from US an bigger size always carry a few with me even to get a massage just in case.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Dara Chim;1294934]Hmmm but I should have a company with, right? It's better than walk inside alone and don't know where to sit![/QUOTE]I usually go to bars by myself. It is a bit weird to some of the Asians that you "don't have friends", but I'm there to get laid not to hang out with people I know. My one word of caution if you go alone is to make sure that you maintain control in terms of lady drinks. One thing I noticed the last time I was in PP was a huge number of empty bars. When you are the only customer you will be mobbed by all of the girls, because they all want to make some cash from lady drinks. You will also run into the ones who you offer to buy a drink for and they try to get you to buy one for other girls as well, if this happens pay for your drink and walk away. Also keep in mind that there is nothing wrong with walking in the door, having a look around and then leaving if nothing catches your eye.

Two things you can do if mobbed are: 1) Ignore all but one girl, the others will eventually leave 2) Sit at the end of the bar where only one seat is adjacent to yours.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1295248]In fact many girls prefer Asians, for two reasons. The first is that Japanese and Koreans are often willing to pay higher prices for sex (and are largely responsible for generally driving up prices in the last year or so, IMHO).[/QUOTE]I used to think the same thing but it seems like more than just the Asians are killing the prices all over SE Asia. Fortunately Cambodia still remains less of a P4P destination than Thailand so it is still possible to get most of the girls to behave. As long as there are men who want to spend like no tomorrow while they are on vacation and women who brag about how much some guy paid, there will always be escalations in price. We just have to stand firm and try to educate other men when possible.

Really I'm just glad for forums like this and stand up guys like you all because when I first got to SE Asia I too was one of the assholes pushing up the price because of sheer ignorance and a lack of backbone.

Check on ISG if someone else is in town. Its always better with a wingman. I just got back from solo in Manila. Not so good when you get mobbed in bars at all. Another thing I tried was the ROCK PAPER SCISSORS thing for who could stay and have a lady drink. That seemed to work ok as well.

Does Walkabout girl let us creampie?

Went to PP recently on a business trip. Booked myself in FLAMINGO for the first night. While going from the airport to the hotel (it was late evening) , I observed that most of the local bars by the side of the street were closed and there was not much traffic on the way.

Enquired with driver and he informed me that there is election next day and therefore all bars must be closed and alcohol would not be available. Well, that was a big downer!

Anyway, reached the hotel, checked in and went to the room. Got a call from the reception after 10 mins informing me that all the bars and pickup joints are closed and that if I require someone for massage or full service. Well, I was surprised at this, but then declined the offer as I prefer to understand the general attitude of the girl before taking her to the room.

Well, had shower and went down to check out the scene. Shanghai seemed to be open but then I did not bother to get in there as I saw few free lancers standing nearby. Spoke to them and 2 of them looked OK, selected 1 of them and decided to go to the room. BUt then, I did not have any whiskey, though there were 2 cans of beer in the room minibar. I asked the girl if she knows a place from where I can buy whiskey. She took me to some shop near Naga World hotel where alcohol sale was ON despite a ban imposed by the government!

Came back to the room, had a short time session with the girl. Nothing special about her, not very co-operative in the bed and was like a lifeless body during the entire fucking session. No initiatives. No sucking the cock. DATY not allowed. And bla bla bla!

I was booked in Nagaworld for the next 2 days as had to attend to business meetings and FLAMINGO does not go down well with the business people in PP.

Called 2 Vietnamese girls for a short time session. What a wonderful experience it was! Absolutely fantastic service. Just imagine. One girls is sucking your dick and the other one is licking your balls! While you are fucking one, the other is licking your balls! Wow. It was really a very good experience. I have the number of the girls, if anyone needs them. I think they work in Martinis or can be found moving around some of the other pickup joints.

Enclosed are some pictures.

I had 2 more nights to go in PP. Last night's experience with the Viet girls was excellent and that motivated me call the same girls again. Called them and they said that they would be in my room within 30 minutes.

Door bell rings in 20 mins and am surprised to see them turn up before time. Well, there was a bit of disappointment too as one of the girl's from previous nigh did not turn up and instead her friend came. But then, the disappointment turned into pleasure once we hit the bed and she started showing her skills!

Well, it was again a good time spent in the company of 2 girls.

Enclosed are some pictures.

Well, the next day was my last in PP. Thought of utilizing it to the max. Went around in some bars on 104 and 136. But somehow, previous 2 nights experience was so much at the back of my mind that I could not resist call the girls again. The ones who were with me on previous nights were occupied with customers and therefore they sent their friends. Again 2 of them. Waiting in anticipation.

Well, Law of Averages works everywhere! After 2 wonderful experience, the third was not so good and the service of the girls too was not up to the mark. BUt then, since they were in the bed, half drunk, and me horny like hell. Thought of savoring whatever was available and went ahead with it.

They did not allow me to take nude pictures but have few pics, which is enclosed herewith.

Nice ones, Joyra. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Joyra; 1295649]I had 2 more nights to go in PP. Last night's experience with the Viet girls was excellent and that motivated me call the same girls again. Called them and they said that they would be in my room within 30 minutes.

Door bell rings in 20 minutes and am surprised to see them turn up before time. Well, there was a bit of disappointment too as one of the girl's from previous nigh did not turn up and instead her friend came. But then, the disappointment turned into pleasure once we hit the bed and she started showing her skills!

Well, it was again a good time spent in the company of 2 girls.

Enclosed are some pictures.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1291522]Well, believe it or not, the 'pro's' are human beings with feelings.

And Cambodia is not like Thailand, the bar girl culture is different.

In Cambodia the girls are more likely to think that you are choosing them because you like them, not purely because you want their body for sex. It is a little fantasy they have. So if you take two of them, they then know you are just indulging your own sexual desires, and don't have any particular feelings for them as an individual. This may result in them them just going through the sexual motions rather than showing any affection for you.

I have definitely noticed this here in Phnom Penh. So if I do genuinely like a girl, I don't take her with another girl. On the other hand when I'm in the mood for a threesome, their slightly offhand attitude doesn't bother me.[/QUOTE]I agree about the romantic part. True. Cambodian prostitutes still believe to find a hubby and love.

Doesn't matter if they have 4-5 boyfriend (aka fool / supporters). A foreigner rich husband for support their rich dream-life and their family (usually quite poor) , that's what every prostitute dream, after all. Thai girls can write an encyclopedia about it, and how many guys got their life (and bank account) ruined. Over all, most of those Cambodian prostitutes are married yet with a Cambodian man, from the age of 18 (fiancee from the age of 15/16, husband is usually picked by parents) , just so you know. THIS is their culture. (OK, ugly / monster girls are just a pathetic piece a meat, with a sad future, that's an other story.). But ye, true. They are a bit more romantic than other girls in Asia. Much more you're a good man, willing to help, much more they will love you. Real love.

Sex is a work, doesn't matter, when they truly love you. (So if they fuck your brother / buddy, don't be surprised, it's just money and they was working hehe ). Thai girls look at you just as a $, nothing more.

What I disagree is the threesome part. Most of my 3some I had in Cambodia, I was beloved, deeply, by both girls. As a boyfriend / potential husband. As much senseless can appear.

I will make an example with my last trip in PP, months ago:

I found a tiny orgy girl, used to do orgies with 2-3 / more girls vs 1 man. She deeply loved it. (Amazing girl, yeah)

I told her I like young and tiny, she chose for me her friend, a 19y old girl. Not a stunner, but a very good performer. I paid just her friend, on our first 3some. 12$, and my GF was laughing about the price, when she left going home. Successive daily 3some with both was freebies, with a bit of love, for an entire week. I can tell you "you can feel it" but I'll be more specific:

I was in Darkness Disco with both, dancing / kissing / touching both, (the entire disco was looking us puzzled and amazed LOL, quite unusual). My ex Cambodian GF came, a bit jealous. I took her, telling to my girlfriends (LOL) she was my ex GF. My ex, angry, told me "Let's talk". We went outside, talking 15 minutes. She left, smiling, understanding I was busy. When back, my girlfriends were quite angry and jealous haha. Whats' fun, the girl I paid the first time (let's call her my girlfriend N. 2) was the most angry, she was going totally mad, I was laughing about her with my GF and. 1, she then told her in Cambodian "Are we done? You looks crazy, idiot". She then smiled. We changed disco, then a 3some, sweetly, romantically.

Both loved me till the last minute of my departure, crying when I left.

Don't forget my total damage: 12$

Guys, don't generalize, and don't try to think you truly understood this culture. It needs years and years, and some study of their past, if you're willing to explain Cambodian girls and Cambodian culture.

(This answer to some more other recent posts wondering how the hell does it work here)

So long I didn't post here, a hug to all my friends. (I honestly doubt I will post anymore, especially on this section, I remember this community, and well LOL looking what are you talking about: 18$ for a HJ (gosh, a HJ in Cambodia, rofl) and massage places. Gosh, I got enough of massage parlor in Vietnam.)

Cheers,

Marrow

[quote]Called 2 Vietnamese girls for a short time session.[/quote]Thanks for the reports. What was the damage?

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1295525]To Pak mike

That is a long long time ago Sophie use to offer that 3-5 girl offer a sample a minute BBBJ for one USD each in front of every one, you pick a winner and go to a ST room for FS 15 USD I have done this back in 2002 is expensive back in the days you can get 6 USD FS from the brothel all over PP.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]In my experience at Sophie's, yes initially 3-5 girls would crowd around as you sat at the bar and give you a quick sample BBBJ. I would then choose 1 or 2, sending the others on their way with $1, and then settle down at the bar with drink in hand while my chosen gals would get on the with job. BBBJ to completion while sitting at the bar. Often a couple of other punters at the bar enjoying the same attention.

There was the option of a couch in the same room, but I never tried it. And yes, the ST time for FS, but again never went that route, I much preferred the BBBJ at the bar. For me, Sophies was a great way of getting off a load early in the evening before getting down to more serious business at other venues.

I will be back in Cambodia in August for approx 3 weeks and of that around a week in PP. The Mrs is Khmer so she will be running around doing this and that which should free up some time for me to have some fun. Know PP well and I will be staying on st 51 close to all the right places. Been catching up on recent reports. Thanks for the great ones from Joyra. And that's my lead in to my question, a few 3somes looks fun but I want to also see the girls play with each other during the session as well? When you take 2 girls can anyone tell me generally if instructed will the girls eat each other and put on a show as well? Would I have more luck with Viets with a request like this rather than a couple of lovely young Khmer girls? Thanks in advance for any intel!

Dingo

[QUOTE=Joyra; 1295649]I had 2 more nights to go in PP. Last night's experience with the Viet girls was excellent and that motivated me call the same girls again. Called them and they said that they would be in my room within 30 minutes.

Door bell rings in 20 mins and am surprised to see them turn up before time. Well, there was a bit of disappointment too as one of the girl's from previous nigh did not turn up and instead her friend came. But then, the disappointment turned into pleasure once we hit the bed and she started showing her skills!

Well, it was again a good time spent in the company of 2 girls.

Enclosed are some pictures.[/QUOTE]Wow nice photos.

How much did you pay them.

[QUOTE=DingoD; 1295820]I will be back in Cambodia in August for approx 3 weeks and of that around a week in PP. The Mrs is Khmer so she will be running around doing this and that which should free up some time for me to have some fun. Know PP well and I will be staying on st 51 close to all the right places. Been catching up on recent reports. Thanks for the great ones from Joyra. And that's my lead in to my question, a few 3somes looks fun but I want to also see the girls play with each other during the session as well? When you take 2 girls can anyone tell me generally if instructed will the girls eat each other and put on a show as well? Would I have more luck with Viets with a request like this rather than a couple of lovely young Khmer girls? Thanks in advance for any intel!

Dingo[/QUOTE]A quick post, just to be clear (I was sure I made it clear long ago) : forget an interaction between 2 khmer girls. Don't insist, you will ruin the fun. I never met nor heard a Cambodian girl doing something similar. Go viet. Rare but happens. Vietnam, after all, is full of lesbians. Maost of them are lesbian / bi 'cause their work, to be specific.

Monsters / ugly / old girls are not included on this post.

Cya.

Marrow

[QUOTE=Marrow; 1296118]A quick post, just to be clear (I was sure I made it clear long ago) : forget an interaction between 2 khmer girls. Don't insist, you will ruin the fun. I never met nor heard a Cambodian girl doing something similar. Go viet. Rare but happens. Vietnam, after all, is full of lesbians. Maost of them are lesbian / bi 'cause their work, to be specific.

Monsters / ugly / old girls are not included on this post.

Cya.

Marrow[/QUOTE]There's a good selection of Khmer girls at Cyrcee who eat pussy. Like with all sex workers you have to be explicit about the particular things you want.

[QUOTE=Marrow; 1296118]A quick post, just to be clear (I was sure I made it clear long ago) : forget an interaction between 2 khmer girls. Don't insist, you will ruin the fun. I never met nor heard a Cambodian girl doing something similar. Go viet. Rare but happens. Vietnam, after all, is full of lesbians. Maost of them are lesbian / bi 'cause their work, to be specific.

Monsters / ugly / old girls are not included on this post.

Cya.

Marrow[/QUOTE]She might be an exception to the rule, but my Khmer GF is bi (and no, she's not ugly or old nor is she a monster). In fact during my stay there last week one afternoon she took off with a Khmer bi friend for a couple of hours of fun. My GF wanted me to join in but the other girl was too shy about it so I just let them go do their thing.

Oh well, perhaps I'll be more lucky next time around.

Edit : My GF has also on numerous occasions pointed out other Khmer girls that she knew were bi/lesbian. So, they might be a minority, but they are out there

Dear Bro Joyra,

Excellent reports! Keep it up. I would like to go to PP ASAP.

[QUOTE=Joyra; 1295658]Well, the next day was my last in PP. Thought of utilizing it to the max. Went around in some bars on 104 and 136. But somehow, previous 2 nights experience was so much at the back of my mind that I could not resist call the girls again. The ones who were with me on previous nights were occupied with customers and therefore they sent their friends. Again 2 of them. Waiting in anticipation.

Well, Law of Averages works everywhere! After 2 wonderful experience, the third was not so good and the service of the girls too was not up to the mark. BUt then, since they were in the bed, half drunk, and me horny like hell. Thought of savoring whatever was available and went ahead with it.

They did not allow me to take nude pictures but have few pics, which is enclosed herewith.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1296244]There's a good selection of Khmer girls at Cyrcee who eat pussy. Like with all sex workers you have to be explicit about the particular things you want.[/QUOTE]Agreeed, this is my experience at Cyrcee.

Thanks for your reports, guys. Nice to know things changed on June 2012 and rare khmer pearls for a real 3some are still available. I'll take a look at Cyrcee, on my next trip.

Like Leftfield1965 said, they are a minority, but ye, demand works.

After all, lots customers after Pattaya pretends a real 3some.

You're lucky, Leftfield1965. Mine was a 3some GF, without interactions. Who knows, maybe it was 3rd girl's bad attitude.

Cheers,

Marrow

I will be in Cambodia for 4 weeks. When I am in PP, I will have to go see about a "real" three-some with some lovely ladies.

[QUOTE=Marrow; 1296709]Thanks for your reports, guys. Nice to know things changed on June 2012 and rare khmer pearls for a real 3some are still available. I'll take a look at Cyrcee, on my next trip.

Like Leftfield1965 said, they are a minority, but ye, demand works.

After all, lots customers after Pattaya pretends a real 3some.

You're lucky, Leftfield1965. Mine was a 3some GF, without interactions. Who knows, maybe it was 3rd girl's bad attitude.

Cheers,

Marrow[/QUOTE]

I'll try cyrcee to get some experience!

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1220771]For anyone short of time in PP and after a ST with 6-8 rated girls for $20 including BBBJ, I'd recommend the Cyrcee Club (pronounced "sexy club" by the tuk tuk drivers) on Street 49 near Street 130.

The girls don't get paid any salary by the bar, so they are super keen to take you across the street to the ST guesthouse ($5)!

You have to buy them a drink first ($3) and pay the barfine ($8) , but they are very enthusiastic girls!

There are usually 10-15 girls there, almost all very cute looking.[/QUOTE]I think I will fit the description of someone short of time in PP, but curious. I haven't been on the prowl in PP for a few, maybe four, years. Thanks to any responders, and PMs are fine. TTG

Hi any suggestions where I can check-in for ST around the Royal Palace area?

Still fairly accurate.

Short time is $15-20, plus $5 barfine and compulsory $3 lady drink.

Most of the girls are happy to do threesomes if that is your thing. Just check with the girl of your choice what exactly she will do (BBBJ, DATY etc) before you conclude the deal.

I'd also recommend asking the girl to take you round the corner to the $6 Happiness Hotel rather than using the seedy $5 hotel across the street from Cyrcee.

Best time to go is between 7. 30-8pm.

I'd now probably rate the girls at 5-7, but still enthusiastic and friendly.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1297849]Still fairly accurate.

Short time is $15-20, [/QUOTE]Thanks, What is the average upper limit for the time? One two rounds?

[QUOTE=John Palmer;1297874]Thanks, What is the average upper limit for the time? One two rounds?[/QUOTE]60 seconds after you cum the girl is in the shower cleaning up and getting dressed

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1298060]60 seconds after you cum the girl is in the shower cleaning up and getting dressed[/QUOTE]LOL. Absolutely true, so the trick is to hold off cumming for as long as possible, to get maximum value from your one shot. Sometimes I get close to cumming and then just stop for five minutes, so I can start all over again.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1298060]60 seconds after you cum the girl is in the shower cleaning up and getting dressed[/QUOTE]The good thing is that if you are really into the girl you can negotiate a LT price after the first pop. She will take the extra $2 (the LT bar fine is different) , drop it at the bar and come back. This is great for you guys who want to have a threesome because you can get 2 ST and keep the one you like.

One annoying thing I found about Cyrcee was that many of the girls make pie in the sky promises about ST being 2 or hours and then want to jet as soon as you get off. I always tended to let them go after the first pop, so I could move on, but you can probably be a stickler and get a second pop out of the deal.

last october i came back to pnp after 2 yrs and 4 mths. what a difference, all playgrounds i used to go to over the 15 yrs before : closed. incl 3 really nice massages in hotels. the only decent place i still found was hotel paris. good choice, but standard service, nothing to remember.

martini and sharky a dull shadow of the past so 2 nights alone in the bed, in past i had bbfs with some 150 ladies for st and lt. no bad souvenir caught. but now : nothing, just simply nothing. k11 was great before, but gone since long due to these stupid kiddy lovers. bad luck all the other brothels there had to close too.

this time the only exception was le cyrcee. girls good as ever, only bad luck the st rooms upstairs are gone. before it was very easy : meet, chat and go up, saving lots of hassle and cost. anyhow she gave a nice hour of her precious time and free flow of nice & tasty [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url].

sidewalk ladies still avbl, but i still do not like to try, too dangerous.

in sharky i remembered a very nice & stunning viet girl of 20 yrs some 6 yrs ago, tall and 12 out of 10 in any way. knew her for 2 or 3 yrs. 1st time met her in navy massage. one night before falling asleep she told me "i like you" so i joked with her "i am sad because i thought you love me". she loocked in my eyes and just answered "i love you i tell my customers" the nicest compliment i ever got and later found out she was serious: when taking her lt from navy she had to be back 7 a. m. but stayed until i left for work 8:30 a. m. each time she mamasan fined her with 100% of the night's income just to stay 2 extra hours.

all in all this comeback was a sadening trip, especially as it rained the whole time, not too good if you rented a motorbike.

[QUOTE=Uncle Ho Haha;1298206]. All in all this comeback was a sadening trip.[/QUOTE]Yeah, PP was great earlier. My last trip to PP was 2005, never been there since then and I guess it will remain so.

Cheers!

Has any one been to the Rose Bar lately? I was wondering if it was one of the places I should not miss when I am in PP.

[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1298434]Yeah, PP was great earlier. My last trip to PP was 2005, never been there since then and I guess it will remain so.

Cheers![/QUOTE]To Ekspat.

I think PP is still ok in 2005 but after 2008 it really go down hill fast last time I was at PP is 2009 well it will be my last time, many better place to go mongering in Asia not even cheap any more and quality of the girl is poor now.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48;1298713]many better place to go[/QUOTE]No, same situation all over the world but a few remote places such as Madagascar.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1298713]mongering in Asia not even cheap any more and quality of the girl is poor now.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]Absolutely correct! Thailand is expensive as hell. Super crowded and ugly old girls. I will report next month based on two.

Types of references:

1. My previous trip to Cambodia 2 years ago.

2. My previous trip to Thailand 3 months ago.

Also I am going to find and take superstars regardless the cost since I know the situation will not shine.

[QUOTE=John Palmer; 1298901]No, same situation all over the world but a few remote places such as Madagascar.

Absolutely correct! Thailand is expensive as hell. Super crowded and ugly old girls. I will report next month based on two.

Types of references:

1. My previous trip to Cambodia 2 years ago.

2. My previous trip to Thailand 3 months ago.

Also I am going to find and take superstars regardless the cost since I know the situation will not shine.[/QUOTE]To John

It is all over the world everywhere mongering is going down hill and price are going up and the USD is getting weaker, I spend a lot of time in China on business price have not gone up much the last 10 years but the rmb is strong vs the dollar and quality is also down everywhere.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=John Palmer; 1298901]1. My previous trip to Cambodia 2 years ago.

2. My previous trip to Thailand 3 months ago.[/QUOTE]I just spent 11 days in PP on my first ever visit. It was a work assignment and I was very restricted in what I could do as I had "minders". I don't know what the "good old days" were like but I found it reasonable and I am sure I could have had a good time with companions if I had not been working.

I did get to Walkabout Bar early one evening just to do a reconnaissance and there were 3 or 4 very presentable girls giving me the eye. I went over to HOD and it was wall to wall girls so definitely available. I was not in the market so I never checked the price but I am sure the odds are stacked in your favor with many more girls than punters.

I went to the small mall nearby and it seemed there were a number of Foxtrot Limas strolling around too.

I ended up having the hotel call me some 3 different masseuses on 3 separate evenings as I wanted to feel secure as I was working. Each one was available to go the extra service option. They all asked ridiculous prices initially but I refused to go over $20 full service with condom inc massage and all accepted it when they saw that I was not going to budge.

[quote]They all asked ridiculous prices initially[/quote]What kind of numbers?

[QUOTE=TConor;1293182]Are they still around? What's the cross street area?[/QUOTE]I spoke to a buddy of mines a few weeks ago and he said that the places were closed down due to police raids. I don't know if the closure is temporary or permanent but that news really depressed me a lot. I had a favorite Viet there. Then I saw that report on HD net about Cambodia! Yikes! Things were bad enough when I was there in 2009. Now it seems that it has gotten worse. At least backthen the tuk tuk drivers were honest enough not to want to take you somewhere, where you might get busted. But now that they can make money by reporting your activites to the cops, NGOS, I would be really leery of anyone that I did not know. Every body is making money on the Barang. When I come back to monger it will be in the late hours of the night when those motherfuckers are sleeping or when it is really obvious that someone is trailing you around. You guys that fucked around in the late 90's really had it good.

Hi experinced guys,

Can anybody please enlighten me how do mongering and hotel costs in Pp in comparison to Thailand and Phillipines.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Pagal Chacha; 1300490]Hi experinced guys,

Can anybody please enlighten me how do mongering and hotel costs in Pp in comparison to Thailand and Phillipines.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Very funny. Now get out your reading glasses. Why are there so many of these posts by lazy people who don't want to read back 20 pages? Isn't it just common sense to read back that many pages before or on a trip to the location? Are you really that lazy Pagal Chacha?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1299920]What kind of numbers?[/QUOTE]Each one said $50 for FS.

When I laughed out loud and said "including the massage (which was $5 + tip) they each said "no. Extra". Each of the 3 used the same spiel (maybe they had the same coach / tutor)

Once they saw I was NOT going near that figure the negotiations were easy and stress-free and we got down to $20 soon enough without spoiling the "mood".

One girl absolutely refused FS for $20 but I indulged because she was an extremely attractive woman and she gave me a great happy ending HJ and took off her top for a play so for $20 it was an expensive massage but she left me smiling and happy so why not.

[QUOTE=Pagal Chacha; 1300490]Hi experinced guys,

Can anybody please enlighten me how do mongering and hotel costs in Pp in comparison to Thailand and Phillipines.

Thanks[/QUOTE]I must agree with Hatguy PC.

All your questions are answered in around 5 to 10 pages on this thread and others under Cambodia, and probably a few answers to questions that you forgot to ask.

If you are really serious about having a good time you will do your homework and see the cross-section of views from a range of different posts.

Everyone has different experiences so you need to get a range of views.

Reading the forum will help you out very very well.

My response in one line: Cambodia is cheaper than Thailand and Philippines but much bigger risk of being scammed or set up.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1301074]I concur with Red Kilt. The biggest difference with Cambodia, then almost everywhere else in SE Asia, are the prices of both the women an hotels. Extremely cheap to monger there. When you book a hotel make sure you ask them if they have in room safes. For example, the Walkabout Hotel is one you hear about alot but they do NOT have safes in the room. If you want to secure an item they hold it for you at the front desk area in a lockbox. I happen to really like Cambodia because there is much less pressure and the girls are a lot less aggressive, at least in my experiences. Thailand, to me, is like a big prostitute business. Philippines is the same but the girls are sweeter and will stay with you all night with no issues. Cambodia they are not as hardcore. Again, these are my experiences. I found that when I was there I would find on tuk tuk guy and pay him $10. 00 a day to be there when I needed him. They will take you anywhere you want to go any hour of the day or night. And they are pretty loyal too. I never had one try to take me to a bar that was run by one of his friends and / or was getting a kickback. Your best to find a hotel that is walking distance to the main bar area which, I believe is Street 51. Like anywhere else, if you get drunk and act a fool you will get in trouble. If you have a wingman or trusted tuk tuk guy you are much better off. Have fun.[/QUOTE]Than you Vilendank for constructive and useful information

Phnom penh is still a great place to meet girls. Too much hand wringing here from sick fucks who used to frequent k11or st 63. I prefer women to children so there is no problem with the authorities.

Rue pasteur and sts 104 and 136 still have good bars as do sts 118, 130 and st 110.

St 110 is frequented a lot by expats and there are five bars there that have nice girls.

The walkabout can still have the odd pretty girl, sharky is past it but martini can still be interesting.

The heart is packed with dodgy girls, it is far better at pontoon where there is a mix of working girls and girls who have jobs but are having a night out but may still be available.

Shanghai has a nice line up pretty often, the girls are a cut above ordinary bar girls and have to be cultivated but they can be worth the effort.

Cambodia is not Thailand, the girls are not professionals mostly. They want to get married and have children, the numbers who return with babies and a baring husband at Christmas is amazing.

[QUOTE=Phil Istine;1301593]it is far better at pontoon where there is a mix of working girls and girls who have jobs but are having a night out but may still be available.[/QUOTE]Excellent report, directly to the point.

Any more clubs to meet non-pro or dating-Sites?

In two weeks I am there spend already 3K$ for new DSLR, low-light lenses, umbrellas and lighting. I need a good girl to shot a video clip.

[quote=phil istine; 1301593]phnom penh is still a great place to meet girls. too much hand wringing here from sick fucks who used to frequent k11or st 63. i prefer women to children so there is no problem with the authorities.[/quote]as usual the same inacurate info. have you know svay pak and street 63 during the golden age in the beginning of 2000's? probably not.

i give you a tip, check in the photo gallery section and you will plenty pictures of this old time. and surprisingly you will see that legal age girls was in large number. i don t said **** childs was not avalaible, but no childs was working inside the km11 brothels i mean, the main brothel alley.

it was secret and ashame business doing in other part of svay pak.

i am ever wondering why some people write again about this place. probably they think the legend is still alive. sorry guys you come too late!

2) street 63 never got reputation for **** girl, ever tommy, lay lay has such kind of offers. since 2006 the st 63 brothels are the perfect places for being robbed, some will simply said "no barang", it's not the place it used to be anymore.

i am ever surprise you don t mentioned toul kok.

just last thing what you mean by women? i am sorry because in cambodia it s hard to find women in her 30/40's working in brothels. since they are my favourites i m feel a bit frustrated in cambodia.

[QUOTE=Phil Istine;1301593]The heart is packed with dodgy girls, it is far better at pontoon where there is a mix of working girls and girls who have jobs but are having a night out but may still be available.[/QUOTE]Agree with most of your post, but not with the above.

I don't know if Pontoon has a number of grey girls who go there to make some extra cash or to find a Barang boyfriend or husband.

But stating that the working girls at HOD are more dodgy than the ones at Pontoon is simply laughable. If you know anything about the st 51 area you would know that the girls all jump from one place to another, simply going where the punters / dollars are.

If it's a quiet night at Heart they'll simply try their luck at Pontoon or even hang around Walkabout or Golden Sorya Mall for a while.

[QUOTE=Channy;1301706]As usual the same inacurate info.[/QUOTE]Channy, can you put me in touch with where you buy your hallucinogens? Sounds like you get some really good stuff. [wink]

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1301938]Agree with most of your post, but not with the above.

I don't know if Pontoon has a number of grey girls who go there to make some extra cash or to find a Barang boyfriend or husband.

But stating that the working girls at HOD are more dodgy than the ones at Pontoon is simply laughable. If you know anything about the st 51 area you would know that the girls all jump from one place to another, simply going where the punters / dollars are.

If it's a quiet night at Heart they'll simply try their luck at Pontoon or even hang around Walkabout or Golden Sorya Mall for a while.[/QUOTE]I got a really nice girl from Heart of Darkness. Yes it was in January and everything changes but I will go back there. Partly in the hope to see her again but mostly in the hope that I will get another similar one.

Any recent reports on Martinis? Its been over a year since I've been there but last time was slow. Any one been recently?

Thanks,

Waffles

[QUOTE=Phil Istine; 1301593]The heart is packed with dodgy girls, it is far better at pontoon where there is a mix of working girls and girls who have jobs but are having a night out but may still be available.[/QUOTE]I am surprised to hear you say that also as I know you are a romantic and think that the girls that work in the hostess bars are better than your average hooker. When the truth is that a lot of the girls that work in the hostess bars go to the heart when they finish work.

I also have to disagree with your assessment of the girls that work in Shanghai I have known several girls that have moved from hostess bars to shanghai and some of those are not very nice girls. I know of a few girls that work in Shanghai now that live just around the corner in the alley next to HOD (slum) and they are big drug users, gamblers, thieves and look like shit during the day when they are not made up.

To judge a girl on where she works is crazy as other have said they move from bar to bar and from FL to Bar and back depending on their mood and their friend at that particular time.

It's possible that both you guys generalise based on the ones you're familiar with, imagine they're generally as good or bad as the ones you know. There's probably some good ones and also bad ones at any of these places.

Does anyone the best place for massage with extra?

[QUOTE=Dara Chim;1303054]Does anyone the best place for massage with extra?[/QUOTE]Sokun's Place on Riverside near St 110 is quite good. $8 for a genuine one hour massage. Then $5-10 tip for an oiled hand job. Fairly attractive girls. But no boob touching or girl nudity.

I think many of the genuine massage places also offer hand jobs on request. The clue is when the massage girl asks you to turn over onto your back. If she starts massaging your legs and her hands 'accidently' nudge your balls, then she's willing to provide extra services.

Or there is the Paris Hotel, as mentioned by other posters. $5 for a really crap massage, and then around $30 for full sex. I only went there once out of curiousity. The girls are average attractiveness. Mine was passive and uninterested in the sex. Maybe some of the others are better.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1303186]Sokun's Place on Riverside near St 110 is quite good. $8 for a genuine one hour massage. Then $5-10 tip for an oiled hand job. Fairly attractive girls. But no boob touching or girl nudity.

I think many of the genuine massage places also offer hand jobs on request. The clue is when the massage girl asks you to turn over onto your back. If she starts massaging your legs and her hands 'accidently' nudge your balls, then she's willing to provide extra services.

Or there is the Paris Hotel, as mentioned by other posters. $5 for a really crap massage, and then around $30 for full sex. I only went there once out of curiousity. The girls are average attractiveness. Mine was passive and uninterested in the sex. Maybe some of the others are better.[/QUOTE]You know this evening I went to one place near 63 st the viet girl is a good looking but she not allow to do anything beside put the rubber on and have sex, no BJ no touch pussy no kiss and when I suck her tit she just shout no! This is a very bad experience ever!

I was out and about yesterday afternoon and decided to get a massage. I went to a place I had gone before where I got a topless HJ for 5 bucks. So I went yesterday and had a different lady. She was pretty hot, an 8 on my scale, skinny with perfect boobs. So I lie down on my back and she starts on my shoulder and arm. A bit of chat and I let my hand roam. Long story short, she gets naked and lets me play her boobs and even finger her. This went on for about 15 minutes as I was really enjoying myself. Now the odd part, she would not touch my package, but she asked me if I had a condom (no price mentioned). I lied and said I didn't because I didn't like the way she smelled down there, too risky if it's that obvious. I asked for a BJ and she said only for her husband. I tipped her 5 bucks because she had one of the nicest bodies that I've seen for a while. I did get her number, but man, that smell! BTW, it doesn't matter where this was since it was a place that has been previously mention recently here.

[QUOTE=Mongering1;1303229]I was out and about yesterday afternoon and decided to get a massage. I went to a place I had gone before where I got a topless HJ for 5 bucks. So I went yesterday and had a different lady. She was pretty hot, an 8 on my scale, skinny with perfect boobs. So I lie down on my back and she starts on my shoulder and arm. A bit of chat and I let my hand roam. Long story short, she gets naked and lets me play her boobs and even finger her. This went on for about 15 minutes as I was really enjoying myself. Now the odd part, she would not touch my package, but she asked me if I had a condom (no price mentioned). I lied and said I didn't because I didn't like the way she smelled down there, too risky if it's that obvious. I asked for a BJ and she said only for her husband. I tipped her 5 bucks because she had one of the nicest bodies that I've seen for a while. I did get her number, but man, that smell! BTW, it doesn't matter where this was since it was a place that has been previously mention recently here.[/QUOTE]Where the place? Do you know her name?

I read a lot that some Fishbowl Massage places use cams to record activities and then use to their advantage against customers? Does anyone know anything about this?

[QUOTE=Bigboyhs;1303801]I read a lot that some Fishbowl Massage places use cams to record activities and then use to their advantage against customers? Does anyone know anything about this?[/QUOTE]Where did you read this, can you provide the source?

Does anyone know massage place with full service? Not only a HJ. Please recommend a best place!

[QUOTE=Phil Istine; 1301593]The heart is packed with dodgy girls, it is far better at pontoon where there is a mix of working girls and girls who have jobs but are having a night out but may still be available.

Shanghai has a nice line up pretty often, the girls are a cut above ordinary bar girls and have to be cultivated but they can be worth the effort.[/QUOTE]

Heart and pontoon are the same girls. No non-pros go to these places. Some girls are semi-pros only in that they don't look for customers every night.

Shanghai girls are gold-diggers with attitude.

Just a week before my PP vacation, I am curious about that place. Anyone took a girl from there? What is the procedure?

Assuming cost is not an issue, Where would you go to get a super model? (Or something close to that).

JP

Been about a year since I was in the Pen. Heading back in the next couple of weeks. In the past, I have dropped into Walkabout for a morning coffee, game of pool and a quickie with one of the more attractive options. Then often head on down St 51 and into the general bar areas to see what is happening. I have made scores at Black Cat (yes, really!) , Candy, Dream Bar and a few of the other 136 and 104 bars that are open during the day. I'll be sure to write report as I go. Interested in any recent daytime updates that are not already listed in the last few ages.

Well the word is out about Golden Mall on St 51. Damn sausage fest lately, more dudes than chicks. I was there yesterday afternoon and there was a dude sitting at almost every table on the pool table side of the place.

This morning I did what I've done more than a few times. I went there around 5 a. M. And had a coffee. Sure enough, some girls start asking me to take them. I estimate there was at least a dozen or so. The thing is, at this time in the morning if a girl is still out it usually means she has no place to go. Either her roommate is off with a guy and she doesn't have keys, she doesn't have a dollar to pay for the ride home, true or not, their excuses are endless. Anyway, that is when you can get the girls for next to nothing LT. Now this may seem like a cheap charlie type of thing, but actually it is what my schedule is. I can't get out in the evenings except Saturdays, so early morning is my time to scope out the remnants. This morning's girl rated a strong 7 in looks / body, and a 9+ in performance. I gave her 5 when she left here a little over an hour ago, around 7 pm I did cook her a nice breakfast / dinner though.

Since I mentioned Saturdays, I'll go ahead and share what I did last Saturday. I headed out to St 104. I was looking forward to ribs at The Cavern, but they didn't have any. I found this out just after I had went into 104 Bar and there was only like two ladies there. So I popped into a bar that a lot of my Facebook friends work at. I had some fun but nothing special. I then went into AF Bar. A lot better. There is this very small lady, she says she is 35, quite attractive, and everyone is saying she is still a virgin! WTF? Anyway, while making no progress with her a little tart chick starts molesting me while an overly endowed lady was giving me a massage. The tart was as aggressive as I've experienced here. She did everything except take it out of my pants. LOL

The tart wasn't exactly what I had in mind, but she got me going and after a lot of prodding by the other girls, I asked her to go out. She said ok and went to grab her bag before I could get another word out. I was still hungry since I didn't get my ribs. So I took her to Garage on St. 110. Just so happens there was a birthday party there and they had free barbeque ribs and shrimp! So the night was getting better. Tart didn't want to drink any alcohol and that was cool since I don't drink. After eating and visiting with my buddies she looked a bit bored, so we went to my apartment around 9 pm

Well tart ended up being a very good conversationalist. Her English is very good and I really enjoyed her company. She was very lady like when we were out and pleasant in my apartment. She didn't let me down in the bed either. She stayed until I asked her to leave around 7 a. M. Since she didn't put a price on the evening, was fun and accommodating, I gave her 30 which is pretty much my maximum. I'd rate her an 8 on my scale overall.

I just returned home from SE Asia and plan to make a return trip within 8 months. Last time I generally stayed in hotels ranging from 15-25. It seems like a great price until you add it up. When I go back I will probably spend a month in Cambodia and use PP as my base. What I'm looking for is a furnished one bedroom or studio with air-con, strong wi-fi, not in a rough neighborhood (I will rent or buy a bike and don't want it stolen) , no more than 10 minutes by motorbike to street 51 and no questions / comments from neighbors about my guests. I would also like to be able to rent for only a month at a time. I would say that out of 30 days. 15-20 will be spent in PP. That equates to roughly $350 in hotel fees. Is it possible to find an apartment that fits my criteria for less than $250 / month and if so where is a good place and when is enough advance time to start looking?

Thanks guys

[QUOTE=John Palmer; 1304332]Just a week before my PP vacation, I am curious about that place. Anyone took a girl from there? What is the procedure?

Assuming cost is not an issue, Where would you go to get a super model? (Or something close to that).

JP[/QUOTE]I have taken few girls from Shanghai Bar. Be forewarned as these girls consider themselves prima donnas and will not readily go with anybody. Some are real cute. I visited couple times and be friendly with the girls they started to like me and if they did not to be barfined sent others who will. I belive BF was $7 and negotiate directly with the girl for services. Most will ask for $50 LT. I paid $40.

Servicewise some are good and others just lay there, nothing compared to agreesiveness of thai and phi sisters.

Very few speak passable english. I have not seen any of the girls go to Heart of darkness after work. Since shanghai closes around 1 am maybe you can find some around 2 am.

There are escort agencies where you can get supermodels for a hefty price. Check it out.

Hi Gang, I would like to thank those of you that take the time to pass the word

I'm based in Dubai where the Girls are plentiful but can be expensive. I recently went to PP with 3 of my best friends and was not disappointed. We stayed at a new hotel (Diamond Palace II) and had nice clean GF rooms for $18us and an upgraded room on the 1st floor $23! It had a nice little cafe / bar in front and the only drawback was there was no elevator for the upper floors.

We mainly visited 136 st and had a great time partying and playing the "bar games" with the girls. Many of which were 6-9 and very friendly. We couldn't believe we could walk out of the place after a night of partying for less than $100 and that included the bar fine and 20-30 for a LT. $20 was what we paid or an all day / night personal Tuk Tuk driver that took us out to visit the Killing Fields and introduced us to some Cambodian Army officers that took us out to a mountain range and for $400 we got to launch an Rpg7 rocket launcher and a grenade! A true "boys trip!"

Overall my favorite place is Patong Beach Thailand (Phuket) its a little more expensive than PP but the entertainment is not to be missed.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1304735]There are escort agencies where you can get supermodels for a hefty price. Check it out.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Nothing on Google so I will try clubs and bars track.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1304709]I just returned home from SE Asia and plan to make a return trip within 8 months. Last time I generally stayed in hotels ranging from 15-25. It seems like a great price until you add it up. When I go back I will probably spend a month in Cambodia and use PP as my base. What I'm looking for is a furnished one bedroom or studio with air-con, strong wi-fi, not in a rough neighborhood (I will rent or buy a bike and don't want it stolen) , no more than 10 minutes by motorbike to street 51 and no questions / comments from neighbors about my guests. I would also like to be able to rent for only a month at a time. I would say that out of 30 days. 15-20 will be spent in PP. That equates to roughly $350 in hotel fees. Is it possible to find an apartment that fits my criteria for less than $250 / month and if so where is a good place and when is enough advance time to start looking?

Thanks guys[/QUOTE]To Joe,

I not sure who will want to stay in PP for a month there is nothing else to do here, if you are here for work is an other thing most people will want to leave after a few days, I am sure there are place for rent low end place for local this is not Bangkok.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=John Palmer; 1304332]Assuming cost is not an issue, Where would you go to get a super model? (Or something close to that).

JP[/QUOTE]I'd try Darling Darling nightclub in the Nagaworld complex. Some nights there are beautiful but expensive ($100-200) girls there.

Or Saint Tropez disco off Street 51. You get some very classy part-time girls there.

Personally I find some of the girls in the bars pretty stunning.

Try Rose bar, Airforce bar and Smile Girl bar in Street 104.

Or Secrets Cafe bar in Street 108 near Golden Vine. Young, slim pretty girls there.

[QUOTE=John Palmer;1304332]Assuming cost is not an issue, Where would you go to get a super model?[/QUOTE]Not Cambodia, that's for sure.

Just bought it as part of my upcoming trip mainly for maps, hotels. Restaurants etc.

[url]https://rapidshare.com/files/890041958/-south-coast.pdf[/url]

[url]https://rapidshare.com/files/3645715071/-phnom-.pdf[/url]

"Save file to" and download.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1304918]I'd try Darling Darling nightclub in the Nagaworld complex. Some nights there are beautiful but expensive ($100-200) girls there.[/QUOTE]Some nights? Does that mean on some nights there aren't girls there? What's a good time to be there in the hopes of spotting these girls? At $200 a night they'd need to look like they stepped out of Vogue. Or Playboy.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1304965]Some nights? Does that mean on some nights there aren't girls there? What's a good time to be there in the hopes of spotting these girls? At $200 a night they'd need to look like they stepped out of Vogue. Or Playboy.[/QUOTE]No, there are girls there every night, but they come and go during the evening. It's just that some nights you will get a few gorgeous girls and some nights only average looking girls. I've only been there twice, once at about 9pm and once at 11pm.

I think the later the better from what other people say. On both occasions there were only about 6-8 girls there, all good looking but not exceptional. I thInk one night a week may be 'girls night' with cheap drinks for the girls but I don't know which night it is. There would obviously be more girls on those nights.

They are asking $100-200 because they are mainly targeting the wealthy Asians staying at the Naga hotel. Personally I think St Tropez is a better bet. More choice and possibly cheaper prices.

I have no idea if there are any 'model' escort agencies operating in Phnom Penh. I did a quick google search but that didn't yield anything.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1304880]To Joe,

I not sure who will want to stay in PP for a month there is nothing else to do here, if you are here for work is an other thing most people will want to leave after a few days, I am sure there are place for rent low end place for local this is not Bangkok.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]For the most part my plan was to spend about 2/3 of the time between PP (probably a little less than my anticipated 15-20) , Sihanoukeville and Koh Kong. I was going to spend the rest of the time catching up on the few tourist things I missed. Last time I was there is seemed like moving from place to place required passing through PP so I thought that I could use it as a base. I also found the P4P options to be of better quality (equally as pretty girls can be found for lower prices than other places) and to a certain degree I could probably take being in the city for 4-6 days at a stretch.

It is possible that I have grossly underestimated the cost of an apartment there, so maybe it's best to keep my things and stay in motion. This idea mainly came from using Thailand as a frame of reference, I realized after reviewing my trip that sum of staying in hotels where I was comfortable taking women added up to more than the cost of an apartment if I stayed a certain number of days (ex: in Udon Thani my hotel was 450 Bhat and I stayed for 10 days meaning I payed more for 10 days than I guy I met pays for a 2 bedroom apartment he rents).

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1305278](ex: in Udon Thani my hotel was 450 Bhat and I stayed for 10 days[/QUOTE]That you call a hotel? 450 baht can't be more than a rat hole.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;1305293]That you call a hotel? 450 baht can't be more than a rat hole.[/QUOTE]Fully Agree

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1305007]No, there are girls there every night,[/QUOTE]Thanks for the good complete answer. Maybe worth a look at some point, but only if the girls there were a clear cut above the rest in the looks dept, and by that I mean in terms of their faces and bodies, not just same old same old with better shoes and hairdos. I'm not familiar with St Tropez. Off street 51 but about where? I assume it's not near HOD and that area or I would have heard of it by now.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1305331]I'm not familiar with St Tropez. Off street 51 but about where? I assume it's not near HOD and that area or I would have heard of it by now.[/QUOTE]Here is the link to St Tropez. Yes it is quite near HOD.

It's No 31, Street 174, just off Street 51 to the East.

[url]http://asialifeguide.com/Bar-Talk/bars-phnom-penh-cambodia-st-tropez.html[/url]

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1305391]Here is the link to St Tropez.[/QUOTE]Wow, sounds pretty cool. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1303826]Where did you read this, can you provide the source?[/QUOTE]There was a rumor a few years back that this was happening at Mikados.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;1305293]That you call a hotel? 450 baht can't be more than a rat hole.[/QUOTE]Top Mansion wasn't too bad. I was right next to the Day / Night complex, a / see, a desk, private bathroom, refrigerator and balcony. Mind you it was nothing special, but the bed never broke down and the shower pressure was great.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1306034]There was a rumor a few years back that this was happening at Mikados.[/QUOTE]Is Mikado still there? That's one place that had changed its name once or twice, and had been shut down just as often. Last time I was there, it was one beer and run away. Nothing even close to enticing. Much better pickings across the way at Cyrcee. (and elsewhere. I'm actually not a Cyrcee fan)

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1306246]Top Mansion wasn't too bad. I was right next to the Day / Night complex, a / see, a desk, private bathroom, refrigerator and balcony. Mind you it was nothing special, but the bed never broke down and the shower pressure was great.[/QUOTE]Break many beds, do you? ;.)

[QUOTE=Wendella;1306765]Break many beds, do you? ;.)[/QUOTE]Generally it only happens when I've put on my winter weight, left with a big girl or left with 3 petite girls.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1304880]To Joe,

I not sure who will want to stay in PP for a month there is nothing else to do here, if you are here for work is an other thing most people will want to leave after a few days, I am sure there are place for rent low end place for local this is not Bangkok.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]There is plenty to do in Phnom Penh, if you are not a fast-one. Phnom Pemh is the best city in all of Southeast Asia, sexwise or otherwise. Of course, you have to beinterested in the country.

As far as "mode-quality girls" are concerned, do not bother, look for what is local: Apsara Dancers!

Guys.

Arrived to flamingos asked for 25 but new it was 20. Very nice stuff. Didn't notice for the second curtain so the light in the morning wake me up as well as artis temp of the air condition plus noise.

Finish complain? Yes.

Took a motorbike and try to see around. St 104 was nothing but one nice lady which asked for 30. Barfine was 10 up to 11pm and 5 after. Some other bars it was set to 10 all time. Quality? No way.

Tray brothel but again not good idea, the moto guy try to con me and ofer teen girls which was sound like a trap. I said no!

Around my hotel HOD and all other bars and disco, well quality was so bed so I went to sleep alon. Do you believe it.

I saw a very nice girl in a stand for hamburger just opposite shanghai bar. We after proposing to go with me it seems she is not in the buissness but showed interesed in general. So we agreed to go today to see the town and to take photos and videos with my new DSLR. She is the best looking girl I manage to find but for now no sex.

In general I like the atmosphere, food is good and no rain, almost nothing. So for today I have a photo and video shooting exercise. Not bed.

Super model. Who was the guy asking for that? Well on the positive side I am enjoying my stay and maybee I will get luck.

More reports will come. Photos only in two weeks.

Jp

ITs seems that for the ones That looking for action the offer is very poor inequality but large in quantity.

Tomorrow I am gooing to snoopy for a beach vacation with my new girlfriend. We had a great day and we took a lot of photos.

Performance wise she is like a GF not as the turbo monster engines from Thailand.

The best strategy is to look for a non pro, a girl that want to get maried and hang around with her. I will post her photos in two weeks, such a Beauty base never seen in the photo gallery.

I got a nice room in the flamingos two windows and a safe, it's include breakfast for 20 dollar. Just opossite walkabout there is a hotel by the name of PC. Huge rooms LCD TV for 25 dollar.

In front of HOD there is a guy that told me that brothels are closed because of NGO pressure on the goverement.

I will rescheduale my flight to BKK for 1000bht penelty with BKK airways so I can stay in papaya for a few days.

That's for now, sorry that my english are readable as arabic.

In Street 252, there is a massage parlor that is really on the the brothels that according to the government do not exist anymore in Phnom Penh. It is on the left-hand side of the Midland Hotel, a staircase that leads to a massage place that sits on a new and very noisy Khmer disco full of Cambodian teenagers with outrageous hairdos. They have a fishbowl. I was a frequent customer of girl 27 for almost three years. She is from Vietnam, does not speak a lot of English, but she understands more than you would think. I do not even know her name, but I went there any other week to have sex with her that always blow my brains out. She has become a bit big over the years and her tits would be huge even for a Western woman. She gives great head, and very good massages too, including a very nice dick massage. It might have been a case of personal chemistry, but I really grew fond of her over the years as a unrelenting service provider that always went out of her way to please me. And that in an environment, where she probably has to service half a dozen guys a day. Yes, it is this kind of place, and it is super-sleazy too, but I kept coming back.

[QUOTE=Purpletaoist;1308512]In Street 252, there is a massage parlor that is really on the the brothels that according to the government do not exist anymore in Phnom Penh. It is on the left-hand side of the Midland Hotel, a staircase that leads to a massage place that sits on a new and very noisy Khmer disco full of Cambodian teenagers with outrageous hairdos. They have a fishbowl. I was a frequent customer of girl 27 for almost three years. She is from Vietnam, does not speak a lot of English, but she understands more than you would think. I do not even know her name, but I went there any other week to have sex with her that always blow my brains out. She has become a bit big over the years and her tits would be huge even for a Western woman. She gives great head, and very good massages too, including a very nice dick massage. It might have been a case of personal chemistry, but I really grew fond of her over the years as a unrelenting service provider that always went out of her way to please me. And that in an environment, where she probably has to service half a dozen guys a day. Yes, it is this kind of place, and it is super-sleazy too, but I kept coming back.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report but I am having trouble locating Midland Hotel on Street 52. Could you be a little more specific please?

[QUOTE=John Palmer;1308157]The best strategy is to look for a non pro, a girl that want to get maried and hang around with her.[/QUOTE]This is essentially the definition of a Phnom Penh bar girl. No "decent" girl would ever hang around at night in front of the Heart of Darkness, these girls are all "pros", except that the pros in Cambodia are not so professional and are often in it to find a barang to marry and get them out of Cambodia.

[QUOTE=Jvdairlie;1308726]Thanks for the report but I am having trouble locating Midland Hotel on Street 52. Could you be a little more specific please?[/QUOTE]Midland Hotel is on street 516!

Whooops. Meant to say Street 252 not 52.

[QUOTE=Purpletaoist;1308512]In Street 252, there is a massage parlor that is really on the the brothels that according to the government do not exist anymore in Phnom Penh. It is on the left-hand side of the Midland Hotel, a staircase that leads to a massage place that sits on a new and very noisy Khmer disco full of Cambodian teenagers with outrageous hairdos. They have a fishbowl. I was a frequent customer of girl 27 for almost three years. She is from Vietnam, does not speak a lot of English, but she understands more than you would think. I do not even know her name, but I went there any other week to have sex with her that always blow my brains out. She has become a bit big over the years and her tits would be huge even for a Western woman. She gives great head, and very good massages too, including a very nice dick massage. It might have been a case of personal chemistry, but I really grew fond of her over the years as a unrelenting service provider that always went out of her way to please me. And that in an environment, where she probably has to service half a dozen guys a day. Yes, it is this kind of place, and it is super-sleazy too, but I kept coming back.[/QUOTE]More detail man! 252 is near st63 and Midland hotel is in toul kork. It's far from each other. N don't forget to tell about the price!

[QUOTE=Purpletaoist; 1307711]There is plenty to do in Phnom Penh, if you are not a fast-one. Phnom Pemh is the best city in all of Southeast Asia, sexwise or otherwise. Of course, you have to beinterested in the country.

As far as "mode-quality girls" are concerned, do not bother, look for what is local: Apsara Dancers![/QUOTE]To Purple,

What so interesting about Phnom penh best city in SEA no way other then cheap mongering, I think you smoke too much or ate too much happyherb pizza, you needto get out more go to other city Singapore, KL or Bangkok.

Fast Eddie 48

super models are indeed available-no money in legit modeling. i have friend who has done modeling, she is very tall half chinese stunner.

the girls often go to siem riep and do a show on saturday night. they pay their own transport and hotel. after the show attended by rich khmers and barangs the girls are open to offers. the girls can make up to $200 but usually more like $100. their pay from the modeling agency is $40!

many girls end up as mistresses for rich men or marry barangs.

the waitresses at darling darling are models and are also available for $100 upwards.

whilst the girls do the rounds of the heart and pontoon and st tropez there are many legit girls at st trapeze and pontoon just out for a night with their friends.

when i say legit i don't mean proper khmer girls who would never frequent these places, most have barang partners but are probably faithful and are not short of money.

down 63 is the dj club and real khmer girls do go there.

if one is not an expat and does not speak khmer your chances with these girls are nil.

[QUOTE=Dara Chim;1308956]More detail man! 252 is near st63 and Midland hotel is in toul kork. It's far from each other. N don't forget to tell about the price![/QUOTE]Did a little search on Agoda and the hotel I think he is referring to is the Midtown Hotel on Street 252. Not the Midland Hotel.

[QUOTE=Jvdairlie;1309253]Did a little search on Agoda and the hotel I think he is referring to is the Midtown Hotel on Street 252. Not the Midland Hotel.[/QUOTE]Yeah we have to find.

[QUOTE=Jvdairlie;1309253]Did a little search on Agoda and the hotel I think he is referring to is the Midtown Hotel on Street 252. Not the Midland Hotel.[/QUOTE]Yeah we have to find.

[QUOTE=Phil Istine;1309150]The waitresses at darling darling are models and are also available for $100 upwards.[/QUOTE]What is this place? (where?) This is first I hear of it.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1309452]What is this place? (where?) This is first I hear of it.[/QUOTE]Darling Darling is a bar inside the Nagaworld complex. You go through the main entrance and turn left after about about 50 metres. They have live music some nights plus a small dance floor. The girls hang around the bar and some of the tables. They tend to wander in and out. They are reputed to be expensive. I've never asked any of them what their rates are.

The Darling Darling waitresses are also available for high rates as well.

[QUOTE=John Palmer; 1308157]ITs seems that for the ones That looking for action the offer is very poor inequality but large in quantity.

Tomorrow I am gooing to snoopy for a beach vacation with my new girlfriend. We had a great day and we took a lot of photos.

Performance wise she is like a GF not as the turbo monster engines from Thailand.

The best strategy is to look for a non pro, a girl that want to get maried and hang around with her. I will post her photos in two weeks, such a Beauty base never seen in the photo gallery.

I got a nice room in the flamingos two windows and a safe, it's include breakfast for 20 dollar. Just opossite walkabout there is a hotel by the name of PC. Huge rooms LCD TV for 25 dollar.

In front of HOD there is a guy that told me that brothels are closed because of NGO pressure on the goverement.

I will rescheduale my flight to BKK for 1000bht penelty with BKK airways so I can stay in papaya for a few days.

That's for now, sorry that my english are readable as arabic.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the reports John Palmer.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1309474]Darling Darling is a bar inside the Nagaworld complex. You go through the main entrance and turn left after about about 50 metres. They have live music some nights plus a small dance floor. The girls hang around the bar and some of the tables. They tend to wander in and out. They are reputed to be expensive. I've never asked any of them what their rates are.

The Darling Darling waitresses are also available for high rates as well.[/QUOTE]I have stayed at Naga world casino hotel couple of times. They allow only good looking well dressed local girls in there. The girls start off by asking for $80 but I am sure can be negotiated down to $50 short time. Since I had a pretty girl in my room from HOD I did not take any of them. I have observed in the elevator a Japanese guy taking 3 girls up to his room. Not all are beatifull but just the same well dressed. As with all casino places I am sure those staying there are gamblers and if they have made money will pay high prices.

Only one thing I need to mention is outside the casino it is like a fair. Lots of local people watching, eating and looking at the casino. Do not know why? However there are many pretty well dressed girls in the crowd hoping somebody will take them inside.

I did exactly that by motioning towards one girl from a distance and she was very friendly and gave good service for one free night I had. Could not speak any english. She left in the morning after breakfast. I believe I gave her $40. She is really good looking and I did take her gambling, dinner. She was talking to Khmer pit manager and what I gathered from him is she comes from a province to make money. It is possible she has a pimp who told her to dress up and wait. However it is not a good idea to mingle with all locals there. Better to just make eye contact and motion to the girl of your choice to join you. Security will make sure she has I. D.

This appoach is not for everybody. I guess I had some alcohol in me urging to do that because when I came in Taxi saw pretty well dressed girls there.

Just left Cambodia to pataya and now I can take a look on my past week from 20, 000 feet. I was curious about bars esspecialy when reading so much. I took a motobike for bar and disco hopping and I was everyware. It's goes like that, all the girls in the bars share the same level of quality and social economic class. In general They are short, some very skinny and look the same in any bar. So for me there is no winner bar or upper class bar with MTV look, in fact I couldn't take non of them home.

Now the lowest category is the free lancers the ones that hang around discos, they all slums girls so I felt sorry. I also gave some money to a street girls just as a donation.

Saint tropes, an upper class for the rich locals, police officers with AK 47 keep them safe. We came with sandals and a short looked like back boys while all security officers wear suits. They let us in. Inside a few girls and a lot of rich kids. We went out after a few minutes.

I got a few phone numbers from the hotel stuff while I told them I want to take them around Cambodia for holiday. But I was realized that some of the are seemed conservative so mo time and effort are required. But there apearance are significally a step up then disco and any bar girls. Worth it!

If I had the time I would consider to to look for a serious girlfrined but I have two weeks vacation. Snoopy is dead some ugly ones.

I did some outstanding trip around KEP / Kampot with a motobike. Eventually I did not come back to PP to get my flight and my girl. Why? I am not sure something inside of me wanted to run away. I took a 14 hours bus to Pataya which has more western feel and comfort. Here I got an exotic girl for the night for 1000bht. Meet her last time. She fucked me until I said stop!

I will come back to Cambodia mainly to shoot video with my DSLR but probably to battambang area.

Thats for now, just to note that other mongrels that I have met thought that the girls are OK, so they note share my point of view about quality. For me, taller with more flesh is what I look for. Heard also some great things about China, so I might visit next trip.

[QUOTE=John Palmer;1310070]Heard also some great things about China, so I might visit next trip.[/QUOTE]Hi JP, nice to see your thoughts on Cambodia, one of my fave places, although it's full of surprises and too many coppers on the take.

I look forward to any photos you may have (if you do) since I was so highly impressed with your reports / photos from Madagascar.

Safe and fun travels.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1306764]Is Mikado still there? That's one place that had changed its name once or twice, and had been shut down just as often. Last time I was there, it was one beer and run away. Nothing even close to enticing. Much better pickings across the way at Cyrcee. (and elsewhere. I'm actually not a Cyrcee fan)[/QUOTE]No it closed its doors about 3 years back now. You are right I very rarely found much there to my liking but I did take a few girls out of there. It was often on the list of bars that I would go to with friends as everyone has different tastes and you never know what you may fine. Some of my other friends loved the place and would nearly always take a girl hence its place on the list of bars to visit. But long gone now. The only place left for a sure thing no mucking about is LCC it is more expensive than a FL but about the same as a Hostess girl could end up costing you.

After a few days of day-mongering in the Pen, here's my take on the current situation:

[B]Walkabout[/B]

Definitely the easiest way to get laid in the daytime. In the mornings there's probably 4-6 girls, from afternoons onwards it swells to 20+ girls hanging around. Shooting pool is a pleasant way of passing the time. It's also a good way to size up the talent. Everyone looks for something different. I like for a happy girl with an easy laugh and a twinkle in her eye. Plenty of them to be had. However, the overall FL quality is getting worse, in my opinion. Too many damn skinny and not so pretty girls hanging about. The really cute and lively girls number only a few at any one time. There were, over the course of a few days, a couple of seriously cute girls who turned out to be splendid lays as well. Take time, play the field and a few diamonds in the rough will present themselves. Walkabout continues to be my daytime place of choice for successful and relaxed mongering.

[B]Blue Bar. St. 136[/B]

I stumbled in here quite by accident one afternoon. It's between the riverfront and Candy Bar. Not recommended. It's a 24 hour bar with precious little on offer. When I dropped in I was quickly assaulted by the (apparently) only available girl there. She then spent the next half hour rubbing my dick and kissing me, which was pleasant enough. Too aggressive for me really, especially as she was up many times to go and see the commotion out the front as a bunch of girls were having an argument in the door way. Not conducive really. Probably this bar gets more happening in the evenings, but for daytimes, forget it. Unlikely I will ever return here.

[B]Black Cat[/B]

I have a soft spot for this bar. Always open, always interesting. I never get charged for games of pool here even though others have said they do. I spent a couple of great afternoons in the bar with one of the girls, who also does a magnificent head job with her sessions later on. Of the girls there, she is the most in proportion. Not skinny, not fat. There are other girls who are skinny and ugly or fat and ugly. Don; t waste your time. I'm hopeless on names (sorry) but the good girl is easy to spot. I know many people think BC is past it. I still like it and enjoy time here most visits.

[B]Candy Bar[/B]

My favorite place to lounge on a couch surrounded by girls. I didn't know it had moved. The new location (on the corner) is really nice and has a lot more natural light. It's nice to be welcomed in like an old friend with many girls recognizing me. I had a great time here having fun and playing with the girls. Took one (Api) out for an afternoon. Actually, she took me out to a BBQ place out of town on the back of her bike on her day off. Cost me $10 in food and a few dollars in fuel (voluntarily) and then she gave me the best time of my week by truly showing her appreciation! No more payment required. There's another very cute younger girl I have spent time with before and plan to see next time. Barfines appear to be very high. Api wanted a couple of her friends / colleagues to come out with us but it would have cost me $17 (!) to barfine two of them as it wasn't their day off. I politely declined. Candy is in a group now with Singer, Butterfly and Bar 69. The girls do not seem to move between bars but I can't be sure about that.

PP in daytimes has limited but reliable offerings. Not hard to get laid, not too hard to find a good lay among the average to nasty options. Patience is needed to find the better girls.

Here are a few useful words and phrases in Khmer (Cambodian) to help you communicate and negotiate with the girls.

Some of the phrases won't be completely grammatically correct, and the pronunciation may be a bit off, but the girls will understand you! They will really appreciate your efforts to speak Khmer with them, but they might be a bit surprised with some of the requests below!

Kinyom chong = I want.

Baan tay = possible?

Ne-ak twver = you do?

Nyum bunkador = blowjob (eat cock)

Nyum penno =eat pussy.

Ne-ak kayn jee-moy kinyom tay? =

You sleep with me?

Room coot = anal sex.

Duck bunkador leur mook = cum on face.

Duck bunkador joal mort = cum in mouth.

Ne-ak chong park tay? = you want a drink?

Ne-ak sa-aat = you are beautiful.

Kinyom jul-jut ne-ak = I like you.

Ne-ak dow otel jee-moy cynom tay? = you go to hotel with me?

Barfine tly bon man? = how much is the barfine?

(boom boom) moy maung tly bon man? = how much for one hour?

(boom boom) bee maung tly bon man? = how much for two hours?

Moy yoop, moy bruk tly bon man? = how much for all night? (literally translates as 'one night, one morning, how much'!)

Ne-ak me-an rodow tay? = you have your period?

Ne-ak = you.

Kinyom= I.

Bart = yes (for men)

Jaar = yes (for women)

Ot-tay = no.

Dolla = dollars.

Dop = 10.

Dop praam = 15.

Ma-pay = 20.

Ma-pay praam = 25.

Saam sup = 30.

Saam sup praam =35.

Sai sup = 40.

Sai sup praam 45.

Ha sup = 50.

Hock sup = 60.

Moy roy = 100.

Bee roy = 200.

You can combine the words above, eg kinyom chong nyum bunkador = I want a blowjob.

Nyum penno baan tay? = is eating pussy possible?

Neak twver room coot (tay)? = you do anal sex?

Duck bunkador leur mook baan tay? = is it possible to cum on your face?

Adding 'tay' to the end of a sentence makes it a question with a yes / no answer expected.

Or you can just lift your voice on the last word to make it a question, similar to English.

Have fun trying these out.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1310387]No it closed its doors about 3 years back now. You are right I very rarely found much there to my liking but I did take a few girls out of there. It was often on the list of bars that I would go to with friends as everyone has different tastes and you never know what you may fine. Some of my other friends loved the place and would nearly always take a girl hence its place on the list of bars to visit. But long gone now. The only place left for a sure thing no mucking about is LCC it is more expensive than a FL but about the same as a Hostess girl could end up costing you.[/QUOTE]I must have wandered in just before the axe fell then. Maybe that has something to do with why it was so bad when I was there, that maybe everyone knew it was due to close soon, so top talent had moved on, or maybe they weren't getting any more new ones knowing time was ticking down. It was a pretty pathetic collection I saw that night. I never got to see it when it was going strong.

[QUOTE=CaseyStar;1310393]After a few days of day-mongering in the Pen, here's my take on the current situation:[/QUOTE]Did you happen to visit Martinis on your visit? I wonder what's happening with that place these days.

[QUOTE=Waffles;1311924]Did you happen to visit Martinis on your visit? I wonder what's happening with that place these days.[/QUOTE]No. Martinis has never been a haunt for me. I'm mainly a day-mongerer anyway.

[QUOTE=CaseyStar;1312456]No. Martinis has never been a haunt for me. I'm mainly a day-mongerer anyway.[/QUOTE]I wonder if I might impose on your knowledge CaseyStar.

I'm in PP in October and through circumstances will really only be able to monger during daytime. I have done some research on this site and it looks like Walkabout, Black Cat and Candy are the only options outside some massage places where HE or FJ is hit or miss!

Any advice you can share?

Second time in PP I go to Bar 69 on 136 street too se if my girl from my last visit is still there. She's not and the other girls there are not very interesting. Instead I go to another bar in the same street (don't remember the name). I sit down by the bar and order a drink. Then she's standing there, just as a matter of fact. Pretty face and a slim body, just as I like them. She chats me up and we play this funny board came, she wins. Then we play pool, she wins that too, but I really have a fun time. In a way she is reserved, but I sense something more in her, so I bf her for LT. $ 7 bf + 30, which I give later. She turns out to be a really cool girl to be with, but also hot! We go to bed, dfk is good, then I finger her pussy for a long while. Wow! Really wet. She comes and then says: "my pussy is too hot, we have to wait a bit!" So we wait three minutes before FS. (But no BJ, this is Cambodia.) And so the days go by. Her favourite activities are sleeping, sex and eating, in that order. At one occation after I play gynecologist for a while she moans: "Now I want to fuuuck youu". I stay with her for almost a week. We also go to the beach in Sianoukville. Now the question is: should I change my travel plans and go back to Cambodia to visit her?

Yes, PP is still a good place to visit. Khmer girls can be a nice gf-experience indeed.

[QUOTE=CaseyStar;1312456]No. Martinis has never been a haunt for me. I'm mainly a day-mongerer anyway.[/QUOTE]I like martini's too. Someone, on this board must be going there. What's up?

[QUOTE=John Traveller;1312769]She turns out to be a really cool girl to be with, but also hot! I stay with her for almost a week. We also go to the beach in Sianoukville. Now the question is: should I change my travel plans and go back to Cambodia to visit her? Yes, PP is still a good place to visit. Khmer girls can be a nice gf-experience indeed.[/QUOTE]Yes.

With every trip I take (and I have been travelling to SA and Asia for 20 ++ years) there is always one or two or three or four girls that stand out from the rest. I used to be of the mind; love them and leave them. Move on. Then while in BKK on a recent trip, I ran into a little spinner I had shagged two times the year before. She recognized me first and smiled at me. I did a double take and looked back at this pretty girl smiling at me. I couldn't place her. Then I recognized her and I bought her a drink. We talked a little along the lines of you look great, how you doing, yada yada yada. She remembered my name. I had forgot hers. She looked so sexy and sweet. I had not forgotten about the good time she had showed me, her demure personality, and her round, beautiful B cups. I loved her tits. After one drink, I bar fined her for LT and we had a night of really good reunion sex. It ended up: I spent 3 days with her. GFE and all that stuff. It was great. Since then, I have kept in Yahoo Messenger contact with her, we text from time to time, and I am looking forward to seeing her again in October. I will still see other girls when I get to town, but I will play it cool and not take anyone else out of her bar, Baccara, unless she is not around. She knows I am a player. I know she is a Go Go girl. I am thinking of taking her to Ko Chang.

So from my own experience, I strongly advise you, if this girl was a standout in your mind, to go see her again. Phnom Penh is a pretty cool place to hang out. I have been there 3 times. There are plenty of other girls if you want to play around. The food is good. If you want to take her on another little trip, think about Kampot and Kep. It is nice and quiet and beautiful.

A friend of mine is in Phnom Penh now. I told him to go check out Pontoon, but if he's after picking up a freelancer there, what do you think is a good time for him to show up there?

[QUOTE=Wendella;1312917]A friend of mine is in Phnom Penh now. I told him to go check out Pontoon, but if he's after picking up a freelancer there, what do you think is a good time for him to show up there?[/QUOTE]10:30. 12:00. On Fri-Sat theres a cover charge after 11:30 (They might have moved it up to 11 cause last month I went at 11:15pm and they already started charging people) and the girls will go in before the cover charge or hit Heart.

[quote=aussieguy100; 1311023]here are a few useful words and phrases in khmer (cambodian) to help you communicate and negotiate with the girls.

some of the phrases won't be completely grammatically correct, and the pronunciation may be a bit off, but the girls will understand you! they will really appreciate your efforts to speak khmer with them, but they might be a bit surprised with some of the requests below![/quote]this is great. if i remember correctly, i think choo is pain and sombra is relax.

aussieguy, any chance you could find a nice khmer girl to let you record her saying these phrases slowly and at regular speed? fortunately khmer did not seem tonal, but i still butchered a lot of pronunciations!

[QUOTE=Jvdairlie; 1312569]I wonder if I might impose on your knowledge CaseyStar.

I'm in PP in October and through circumstances will really only be able to monger during daytime. I have done some research on this site and it looks like Walkabout, Black Cat and Candy are the only options outside some massage places where HE or FJ is hit or miss!

Any advice you can share?[/QUOTE]Those are really all of the daytime places, but there are plenty of freelancers available on the riverfront. Just talk a stroll along the river and relax. Make eye contact with girls that interest you and say hello. If they are available they will stop and talk. It's all very relaxed and easy. I have taken some real cuties from here for $15 st on past trips.

[QUOTE=Easton;1314514]Those are really all of the daytime places, but there are plenty of freelancers available on the riverfront. Just talk a stroll along the river and relax. Make eye contact with girls that interest you and say hello. If they are available they will stop and talk. It's all very relaxed and easy. I have taken some real cuties from here for $15 st on past trips.[/QUOTE]Thank you Easton. Appreciated.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1312782]I like martini's too. Someone, on this board must be going there. What's up?[/QUOTE]Before all of the following, I talked with Sangay at the bar and tipping him my beer change, gave me the talk about gals, routine, pricing, hotel etc. So that I had another source of details besides from here at ISG.

Just did a $ 20 ST plus a $ 1. 75 bottle water with spinner gal named Rout or Wrat. Had to make eye contact a couple of times and wave her over after talking nicely with the other girls she was with. Once we started chatting, her English wasn't too bad. She was shy about it.

After a bit of chatting her up, I asked if she was interested in me and that it was her choice to go or not. Eventually, she decided yes, we go. We never agreed on the price beforehand, though I asked and she said "what you think" even with pressing for hard number to negotiate.

We went down the street a little to the Guest House for $ 5 room.

After a quick shower each, we laid down on the bed and chatted a bit before getting into nice GFE french kissing session. After about 20 minutes and rubbing her to juiciness, her attitude changed to boom-boom now while I tried to stay GFE. Not much luck, so went to boom boom and had a nice missionary finish after of cowgirl.

Afterward, we showered and walked down and out of the hotel. While walking down the stairs, she asked about money. I said $ 15, she said no, I said okay, here's $ 20. She complained a little, but held firm. No further issues from her. If the GFE stayed through-out, would've asked for her number, but it didn't so I figured onto another or two tomorrow.

Then, my scooter dude took her back to Martini's and then picked me up for my hotel.

Good luck all and have fun.

I'm wondering what your thoughts are for a must see or do in Phnom Penh?

[QUOTE=Gone Around;1316330]I'm wondering what your thoughts are for a must see or do in Phnom Penh?[/QUOTE]1. Find a girl and take her to a trip in rural Cambodia and leave PP as soon as possible.

2. Prepare plan B: Thailand

[QUOTE=Purpletaoist;1308512]In Street 252, there is a massage parlor that is really on the the brothels that according to the government do not exist anymore in Phnom Penh. It is on the left-hand side of the Midland Hotel, a staircase that leads to a massage place that sits on a new and very noisy Khmer disco full of Cambodian teenagers with outrageous hairdos. They have a fishbowl. I was a frequent customer of girl 27 for almost three years. She is from Vietnam, does not speak a lot of English, but she understands more than you would think. I do not even know her name, but I went there any other week to have sex with her that always blow my brains out. She has become a bit big over the years and her tits would be huge even for a Western woman. She gives great head, and very good massages too, including a very nice dick massage. It might have been a case of personal chemistry, but I really grew fond of her over the years as a unrelenting service provider that always went out of her way to please me. And that in an environment, where she probably has to service half a dozen guys a day. Yes, it is this kind of place, and it is super-sleazy too, but I kept coming back.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Long time lurker and first time poster! The massage parlor is on the first left on street 63 after Sihanouk Boulevard. I just wanted to recommend #45. Her name is Peap and is around 25 years old. Her face isn't so great but she's got a nice frame and some pretty big tits (if a bit droopy). Best thing about her is that she is also up for practically anything. GFE, BJ, DATY, Anal Rimming and Anal Sex. I got all that for $40. I got her down to $20 for just straight sex but what's the fun in that?

And Purple taoist is correct in saying that this place is super-sleazy but in all honesty, I kinda like it that way.

[QUOTE=Gone Around;1316330]I'm wondering what your thoughts are for a must see or do in Phnom Penh?[/QUOTE]Stay and dine at the river front or near by. Hire a tuk tuk to take you around to explore the city. Stop at one of the massage places that offer full service too and have fun.

In the evening ask your tuk tuk driver to take you bar hoping, choose one (or two) of the hostesses and enjoy your night.

That's about how we sacrifice our time when in PP. LOL

Just returned from Sokun's Place. Went in at 10 PM after some beers and BBQ with friends down the road. At that time, only 1-hour massages were available since they close at 11 PM.

I ordered up an oil massage and requested for my lower back to be focused on. Sniffling gal and I went up the stairs and she pointed to the floor bed and said to take off clothes and lay down. I did and she remarked I got naked quick. .

The leg and back massage was good, but felt short. Arms were okay. Only a little nudging of junior. On flipping over, still no towel cover for my bum, so no cover for my crouch.

Anyway, onto the left front-arm, left front-leg with oodles of junior bumping. Actually too much. I do want a massage first. After the right leg and right arm, arms were done too quick, she points to junior and asks about massaging him.

I say please and ask how much. She responds with "whatever you want". New clue for me after Martini's last night, whatever you want means whatever you're dumb enough to pay. I said $5, she writes 1-5 on my chest while oiling up junior. I joke. 1-5 is crazy, first-time tourist price and that $8 is fair. She rubs junior for a moment and counter offers to take off her shirt for $20.

Given she's sniffling and I've already unwittingly felt rolly-pollyness while she massaged my hands right in her crouch, I didn't go for top-less. She thought for a moment, gave junior another tug and said all finished.

So moral of the story, even if you are nice, offer the suggested prices here, girls might still say no.

No worries, she gave me a moment to take care of myself before I pulled on my clothes and headed back to the hotel for another busy day.

In the beginning, the massage would be worth the $ 9 if the front quality and time remained up. At the end, I tipped the $ 1 left of my $ 10 and caught a tuk tuk home, sans HE.

Oh well. I might go back once more for another gal that seemed friendlier.

I'm thinking to try a more formal massage place for the massage first and a HE would be a bonus.

[QUOTE=Gone Around; 1316146]Before all of the following, I talked with Sangay at the bar and tipping him my beer change, gave me the talk about gals, routine, pricing, hotel etc. So that I had another source of details besides from here at ISG.

Just did a $ 20 ST plus a $ 1. 75 bottle water with spinner gal named Rout or Wrat. Had to make eye contact a couple of times and wave her over after talking nicely with the other girls she was with. Once we started chatting, her English wasn't too bad. She was shy about it.

After a bit of chatting her up, I asked if she was interested in me and that it was her choice to go or not. Eventually, she decided yes, we go. We never agreed on the price beforehand, though I asked and she said "what you think" even with pressing for hard number to negotiate.

We went down the street a little to the Guest House for $ 5 room.

After a quick shower each, we laid down on the bed and chatted a bit before getting into nice GFE french kissing session. After about 20 minutes and rubbing her to juiciness, her attitude changed to boom-boom now while I tried to stay GFE. Not much luck, so went to boom boom and had a nice missionary finish after of cowgirl.

Afterward, we showered and walked down and out of the hotel. While walking down the stairs, she asked about money. I said $ 15, she said no, I said okay, here's $ 20. She complained a little, but held firm. No further issues from her. If the GFE stayed through-out, would've asked for her number, but it didn't so I figured onto another or two tomorrow.

Then, my scooter dude took her back to Martini's and then picked me up for my hotel.

Good luck all and have fun.[/QUOTE]Most guys take them back to their hotel. Viet or Cambo, that is the question.

Thinking of making my first trip to Cambodia. What I want to know is whether or not it'll be easy changing Thai Baht into the local currency. I don't want to do an ATM withdraw in Cambodia, and all I have on me now here in Pattaya is Baht. Already got stuck with a shitload of Philippine pesos that no one will exchange here, don't want to get fucked again. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1317647]Thinking of making my first trip to Cambodia. What I want to know is whether or not it'll be easy changing Thai Baht into the local currency. I don't want to do an ATM withdraw in Cambodia, and all I have on me now here in Pattaya is Baht. Already got stuck with a shitload of Philippine pesos that no one will exchange here, don't want to get fucked again. Thanks![/QUOTE]Change them to USD in Pattaya. Everything is in dollars in Cambodia.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1317647]Thinking of making my first trip to Cambodia. What I want to know is whether or not it'll be easy changing Thai Baht into the local currency. I don't want to do an ATM withdraw in Cambodia, and all I have on me now here in Pattaya is Baht. Already got stuck with a shitload of Philippine pesos that no one will exchange here, don't want to get fucked again. Thanks![/QUOTE]Thai Baht is accepted everywhere in Cambodia although you may not get official rate. Everybody likes USD even the moto guy.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1317647]Thinking of making my first trip to Cambodia. What I want to know is whether or not it'll be easy changing Thai Baht into the local currency. I don't want to do an ATM withdraw in Cambodia, and all I have on me now here in Pattaya is Baht. Already got stuck with a shitload of Philippine pesos that no one will exchange here, don't want to get fucked again. Thanks![/QUOTE]To Rick,

Just bring alot of one dollar USD bill for moto guy also bring some 20 bht bill for short ride but most moto guy want one dollar even for a short one km ride anyway, if you use large bill most vender will give you back riel for change and they are useless if you exit Cambodia.

Fast Eddie 48

I'd lose too much selling back the baht. I'd rather go out like a porn star with an explosive night of fun. I guess I'll just take some USD out at an airport ATM in Phnom Penh?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1317835]I'd lose too much selling back the baht. I'd rather go out like a porn star with an explosive night of fun. I guess I'll just take some USD out at an airport ATM in Phnom Penh?[/QUOTE]If money matters, avoid the airport ATM as it costs $6 USD. In town or other local shops, the ATM fee is $ 4 USD.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1316814]Most guys take them back to their hotel. Viet or Cambo, that is the question.[/QUOTE]I think Khmer for this gal. I haven't seen her around the past few nights.

Normally, by 10 PM, I'm heading to bed. When traveling, normally, I'm a cheapskate. However, with looking forward to Cambodia for 4 months, I saved up a nice chunk of change to seriously enjoy my time here. So far, I'm really doing pretty good. .

Every day I've been in Phnom Penh has meant a nice massage and fun with a girl. Not many places I've been has such a wonderful attraction when outside of the office. However, the day starts too early here and I need to crash in bed by 12:30 or 1 AM.

Anyways, I stuck a little more change into my pocket Sunday night than normal. I'm not sure why, but heck, I was done for the day early and wanted to just have a nice evening. I arrived at Martini's about 6:30 PM. Opps, it's dead and the movie or football doesn't start on till 7:30 PM. So I grabbed a $ 1. 25 ice cream, was $ 1. 50 before bargaining and went for a walk around the surrounding neighborhood.

Folks seemed friendly walking down 95 and along the cross and parallel streets about Martinis. It was a nice to actually see something from foot than tuk tuk or moto or behind the classroom or office windows. So relaxing and walking along was good to go.

When on the way back to Martini Bar, along 310, just before U-turn left on 95, I noticed a massage place. It's run down, but that doesn't me too much and I wouldn't mind a rub down before drinking in a short bit.

On walking in, the tallest and oldest of the 4-5 gals asked what was wanted and I responded with "hour oil massage". She said fine, $ 5. Okay, off to the side room where you strip and pull on the baggy temple pants. For $ 5, this was one of the best massages I'd gotten yet leading me to not worry about happy endings, just relaxing. Also, the massage was kept clean, as in no slapping into junior accidentally. Eventually, I turned over, she finished working on my legs and by then I figured I should wake up a bit and chatted with her. Her name is Sista, like sister. Local gal from nearby province, but done some years in Malaysia and speaks Chinese besides basic English.

As Sista finished up the massage she asked about massaging junior, casual like, not pressure or anything else I've experience locally except for the second Sokum's Place attempt for just a massage with a much calmer girl. Back to Sista, I said yes and she helped me to a very nice happy ending and then cleaned things up.

When done, I dressed, kept chatting with Sista and paid the bill. $ 5.

Yup, $ 5.

Given that, I turned and tipped Sista $ 5 because the massage was good, I was relaxed, she was easy to chat with and heck, she made me happy.

FYI. Shop owner is Chinese.

Find the place, near the northwest corner of 310 & 95. About 25 meters down and across the street from Ly Lang Guesthouse.

After the wonderful massage with Sista, I finally made my way back to Martini Bar.

$ 90 left.

Into Martini I went, to the bar and got my Beer Lao. Sangay is off Sunday's, so I didn't stick on the bar long to chat, but instead went into the lower area of tables and chairs. Several gals were together and invited me to sit in between. Given, I was in a good mood and they were smiling and chatting happily already, I joined them.

Sorry folks, I don't recall any names but the one gal that's elusive to me, Narli, or what seems to be "where" in Chinese. The group 5 gals. 4 were calm and casual with their talk, but number 5 to my right was too aggressive for my tastes and didn't feel right. So I played nice by sharing the conversation around and then because I'm enjoying my time with them, bought a round of drinks.

A nice thing about here, the girls are reasonable; two orange drinks, two sweet teas and a soy milk. Even better is that the tea and soy milks reminded me of home. So close, yet not to go back for a few more months. More chatting followed, but I was getting hungry and mentioned it. During the conversation, it turns out that the Chinese food stand owner is Taiwanese.

I went over and asked for the boss and talked a bit in Chinese on food recommendations and ended up with a pair of decently steamed fish with ginger, salt and pepper to share with the gals. By the time the fish came around, aggressive girl 5 had left. Then the remaining 4 and I worked on the fish and continuing our conversations.

At this point, it's another $ 20 spent, so $ 70 left.

Now that I've had my 2 beers, eaten a second dinner, had nice conversation and the movie wasn't keep my interest it was time for dessert. During a bit of joking about age and youth. 3 on 1 was mentioned. Personally, I'm thinking about my age and health and having to get up early to work after having to satisfy 3 gals. Being dumber than usual or wanting to try something new, I said sure.

Walking out of Martini with 3 lovely ladies and passing folks on the way to the hotel was a serious blast. We kept chatting and just enjoying the conversation.

We headed to the Ly Lang Guesthouse hoping it'd be nicer than the rooms at Shining. It was, with being cleaner having hot water, AC and real cable TV. Room is $ 12, but can get for $ 10 if you bargain, all night.

Once up to the room, we rotated through the showers and crawling underneath the covers. At this point, in joining the ladies, I realized that while threesomes are readily manageable, if you ever try to appease 3 ladies at the same time, gymnastics is involved. So, while initially fun and definitely a wow experience, I'll stick with only a couple of gals at most in the future. For this, one girl on each side of me, third massaging my feet and legs.

I take my time with girls and generally that gives good results all around. If a gal wants something faster, I pass along a thanks and let them leave without being upset.

It turns out, my third gal didn't care too much for slowness unless I was down on her. So, after a bit of chatting despite being offered to wham and bam, I opted out and sent her on with $ 10.

Now, girl 2, ah Narli, if there's ever an example in my current life of can't quite get what you want, this is it. I was fine with taking two gals, just to have the time with Narli. However, since girl 3 was nice at the bar, I didn't mind bringing her out as well. Again, I've gotten a story and lessons out of it.

Narli, Narli. Just hits my buttons for being cute and cuddly and bringing all of desire to not be slow, but devouring. Ah, she could kiss and breasts were firm and body tight and oh so 22 years young and a lightly parsed pussy. Ah.

Narli, the girl I could've had if I pushed for it, actually just took, but that's not my thing. Consensus means much to me and so, soon Narli leaves. I pass on $ 10 to her and walk her out.

Thump, thump, my heart goes, even when I see her later in the week.

At this point, I'm down to $ 40.

With just girl 1, Serena, left, we took out time in making out before proceeding onto business. As I needed to get to bed for real, we tuk'd back to my villa. Since she was enjoyable to be with, while $ 15 was acceptable, I gave her $ 20 plus change for tuk tuk home. Yeah, yeah, she probably pocketed it.

Since she ended up being nicer than I expected and really sweet about everything, I invited her out for the rest of the week. She never showed, but alas, no worries. When next I saw her, we were both friendly to each other. I'd buy her a drink.

In hindsight, I think she's a good manager for helping the other girls get something out of their evening. To me, that's fair.

So, figuring my original moto ride, my evening cost right around $ 90.

Given the gals original rate, I could've had the three at least once each for $ 45. Even then with all of my extras and the massage beforehand, a really fun night for $ 100 or less.

Martini Bar.

Open 7pm to 3am.

#45, Street 95

I visited Sokun's Place again this weekend, but took another gal. She seemed younger, quieter and healthier as in no sniffles. The massage was good and since I wasn't really in the mood for ultimate happiness, said no on the happy massage.

Overall, the second visit was good. If you're in the area, this is a fine place for a massage and HE if you want.

However, I really preferred being with Sista at the massage place near Martini that I mention in my "$100 night, part 1" post. That massage was more legitimate and relaxing without feeling strung up on a sex drive for an hour.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1317835]I'd lose too much selling back the baht. I'd rather go out like a porn star with an explosive night of fun. I guess I'll just take some USD out at an airport ATM in Phnom Penh?[/QUOTE]Your going to need $ to pay for your Cambodian visa unless your carrying a passport from an ASEAN member country. And extra cash if you don't bring a photo of yourself. I paid the to photo "fee"in baht last time I forgot a photo but don't remember how much it was.

Hi guys, I will be staying over phnom penh for 2 nights in Oct for work and its my maiden visit. I tried reading back but I can't find my answer, so would appreciate if anyone could enlighten me with some mongering knowledge. I like to check if there are any hostess bar with a good population of Vietnamese talent for LT take out? I understand there are KTVs with Viet chicks but I not really a fan of KTVs due to the price and discos due to the loud music. I prefer bars because the music is usually not deafening and you can speak and hear better. Because I have only 2 nights, I can only zoom in a few places. I hope my next trip be longer so I can explore this new playground because the 3somes idea is on my strike off list. Would appreciate any help.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=IFRpilot99;1317894]Your going to need $ to pay for your Cambodian visa unless your carrying a passport from an ASEAN member country. And extra cash if you don't bring a photo of yourself. I paid the to photo "fee"in baht last time I forgot a photo but don't remember how much it was.[/QUOTE]To IFRPilot

Don't forget the Airport Dep tax about 28 USD as I remember can be paid in USD, baht or Riel alway carry ectra photo with me whem I travel.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=IFRpilot99;1317894]Your going to need $ to pay for your Cambodian visa unless your carrying a passport from an ASEAN member country. And extra cash if you don't bring a photo of yourself. I paid the to photo "fee"in baht last time I forgot a photo but don't remember how much it was.[/QUOTE]I'd go for the e-visa. you can upload the photo. Also saves a page in the passport.

[QUOTE=Guitar7997; 1317953]Hi guys, I will be staying over phnom penh for 2 nights in Oct for work and its my maiden visit. I tried reading back but I can't find my answer, so would appreciate if anyone could enlighten me with some mongering knowledge. I like to check if there are any hostess bar with a good population of Vietnamese talent for LT take out? I understand there are KTVs with Viet chicks but I not really a fan of KTVs due to the price and discos due to the loud music. I prefer bars because the music is usually not deafening and you can speak and hear better. Because I have only 2 nights, I can only zoom in a few places. I hope my next trip be longer so I can explore this new playground because the 3somes idea is on my strike off list. Would appreciate any help.

Cheers![/QUOTE]Golden Vine on street 108 the owner is a very nice Viet lady and employs a few viets as well as a good selection of Khmer girls you can easily get a 3 some going here to. I have on a few occasions

[QUOTE=Guitar7997; 1317953]Hi guys, I will be staying over phnom penh for 2 nights in Oct for work and its my maiden visit. I tried reading back but I can't find my answer, so would appreciate if anyone could enlighten me with some mongering knowledge. I like to check if there are any hostess bar with a good population of Vietnamese talent for LT take out? I understand there are KTVs with Viet chicks but I not really a fan of KTVs due to the price and discos due to the loud music.

Cheers![/QUOTE]The Golden Vine bar on Street 108 next to Le Marmite restaurant, just west of Norodom street.

This has about 22 mainly Vietnamese girls, of which about 18 will go with customers. They are very friendly and the Vietnamese lady boss is also very friendly.

Zapata bar next to it is also good for great girls, but they are all Khmers not Vietnamese.

I heard there are still many young Viet girl at Martini. I have no idea how to get there, but any self-respecting moto or taxi driver should know.

I got some of the youngest, best-looking Viet girls in PP from Martini bar. The mamasan did a job job recruiting the best and grooming them well.

Martini's mamasan is a sexy, charming and fun Viet MILF, with her smiley face and ready laughs. She was a working girl herself. She was talking about slow business, that she takes only $1 from the girl each time she makes a match. She was laughing that she's so poor, she would fuck me on the premises for $1. What a fun and sexy girl. If I had time I would have given her the fucks of her life.

It was fun watching her take the timid young girls to the old French guys drinking under the trees in the yard, urging them to take the girls to hotels. People in PP are just so slow and shy. They are still acting like little girls in convent schools in French colonies. No surprises French Legion Etrangeres got their balls kicked in by Ho Chi Minh and his boys.

Those old French guys hanging out in Martini must have been the very few Legion Etrangere survivors of WWII. It's funny seeing these old guys hanging out drinking and moving around real slow at *****houses.

My time at Martini bar was a slow, quiet and fading experience, just like in old time French Indochina. I could imagine myself hanging out in that veranda billowing with sweet scents of plumeria blooms, downing a few rounds of cognacs and pumping a few rounds of opium with Catherine DeNeuves.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1318144]Golden Vine on street 108 the owner is a very nice Viet lady and employs a few viets as well as a good selection of Khmer girls you can easily get a 3 some going here to. I have on a few occasions[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LukeSkywalker; 1318191]The mamasan did a job job recruiting the best and grooming them well.

Martini's mamasan is a sexy, charming and fun Viet MILF, with her smiley face and ready laughs. She was a working girl herself. She was talking about slow business, that she takes only $1 from the girl each time she makes a match. She was laughing that she's so poor, she would fuck me on the premises for $1. What a fun and sexy girl. If I had time I would have given her the fucks of her life.

It was fun watching her take the timid young girls to the old French guys drinking under the trees in the yard, urging them to take the girls to hotels. People in PP are just so slow and shy. They are still acting like little girls in convent schools in French colonies. No surprises French Legion Etrangeres got their balls kicked in by Ho Chi Minh and his boys.[/QUOTE]Times have changed. No more mamasans at Martinis. I met alot of mamasans and the action / market has shifted as more money is to be made at the KTV's and Naga with the new crop of rich asians investing here. Also the mamasans have shifted to attractive ones now.

Thanks to Vielendank, Shadow6491, AussieGuy100 and LukeSkywalker for the heads up. If I got a longer trip the next time, maybe we can meet for a beer? I think for my first night, I'm going to Rose Bar, Golden Vine Bar and Zapata. For the second night, I'll hit Martini and if the turnout is out of expectation, I can go back to the suggested 3. Anyways, what would be a good time to be there for the best available selection for Rose Bar, Golden Vine Bar and Zapata as I understand that Martinis is a FL joint?

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1318101]To IFRPilot

Don't forget the Airport Dep tax about 28 USD as I remember can be paid in USD, baht or Riel alway carry ectra photo with me whem I travel.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]I'm told that's been included in the price of your plane ticket since 2011.

Anyway, I'm here now using USD as recommended.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1318291]I'm told that's been included in the price of your plane ticket since 2011.

Anyway, I'm here now using USD as recommended.[/QUOTE]To rick

I think you are right is now included in the airline ticket it been a few yr since I been back to Cambodia.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1318170]The Golden Vine bar on Street 108 next to Le Marmite restaurant, just west of Norodom street.

This has about 22 mainly Vietnamese girls, of which about 18 will go with customers. They are very friendly and the Vietnamese lady boss is also very friendly.

Zapata bar next to it is also good for great girls, but they are all Khmers not Vietnamese.[/QUOTE]Can also vouch for the Golden Vine. Have been visiting this place every time I have been in PP over the past 5 years, and probably my favourite. Only downside is that a lot of the gals don't speak English, but really not such a big problem.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1317647]Thinking of making my first trip to Cambodia. What I want to know is whether or not it'll be easy changing Thai Baht into the local currency. I don't want to do an ATM withdraw in Cambodia, and all I have on me now here in Pattaya is Baht. Already got stuck with a shitload of Philippine pesos that no one will exchange here, don't want to get fucked again. Thanks![/QUOTE]You will get a better exchange rate in PP than in Thailand for your baht. On street 136 near the Central Market (just before all the pharmacies) there are money changers. Try a couple of them to compare, the spread is actually quite good.

[QUOTE]. Anyways, what would be a good time to be there for the best available selection for Rose Bar, Golden Vine Bar and Zapata as I understand that Martinis is a FL joint?[/QUOTE]As with most hostess bars, the best time to go for the biggest selection of girls and when they are most wide-awake, is from about 7. 30pm. But if you want a more fun atmosphere, still with loads of girls, go to the bars from 10. 30pm onwards.

Rose bar has 25+ girls, Golden Vine and Zapata about 22 each, so I'm sure you'll find someone that you want to take back to your hotel! Expect to pay $30-40 for all night from these bars, plus the $7-10 barfine.

WTF with the prices here? I thought Cambodia was supposed to be a budget location. First time in the city last night, tried 5 bars. 1 on 51, 4 on River Front. Continually quoted $50 for LT, even when I inquired late into the night, and all said they'd leave 7-10 am.

$50 is about 1500 baht. I can literally get hundreds and hundreds of girls from beer bars in Pattaya for 1000-1300 baht including barfine. Clearly Pattaya is a more expensive place than Phnom Penh in a general sense. And most of the girls I saw here were devoid of customers. So what exactly is going on?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1318626]WTF with the prices here? I thought Cambodia was supposed to be a budget location. First time in the city last night, tried 5 bars. 1 on 51, 4 on River Front. Continually quoted $50 for LT, even when I inquired late into the night, and all said they'd leave 7-10 am.

$50 is about 1500 baht. I can literally get hundreds and hundreds of girls from beer bars in Pattaya for 1000-1300 baht including barfine. Clearly Pattaya is a more expensive place than Phnom Penh in a general sense. And most of the girls I saw here were devoid of customers. So what exactly is going on?[/QUOTE]Yes things are changing there. You are better off staying away from that Rose bar in particular. I don't think I will ever go there again even though there are some really busty hot girls there. Reason? $50 USD for basically one hour and refusal to do LT. REALLY bad attitudes which I was MORE than happy to find out there before I paid any money for the "privilege." With so many bars in that area I think they will eventually go under.

In Jan I posted about bad attitudes at a club there called Pontoon. This was the management and workers there. Not the girls. When I get back there this year some time I will be spending my time between the good and fun bars I visited before and HOD / Walkabout for FLs. No way Ill be wasting my money at the rip off places. Hatguy

Don't get me wrong, I had fun with the girls. But $50 LT is fucking ridiculous in Cambodia, where according to all sources I come across, average income is $30 A MONTH.

Is this REALLY the standard asking rate here?

Is there no LT to be had for $30 or less anymore (from girls actually worth fucking of course)? I guess the stories I heard were from a part time.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1318668]Don't get me wrong, I had fun with the girls. But $50 LT is fucking ridiculous in Cambodia, where according to all sources I come across, average income is $30 A MONTH.

Is this REALLY the standard asking rate here?

Is there no LT to be had for $30 or less anymore (from girls actually worth fucking of course)? I guess the stories I heard were from a part time.[/QUOTE]You can get them for $30 LT. I had one in particular which I REALLY liked from Pitstop bar. She is now out of the game. But you have to stay away from the big and famous places. Ie. The ones on THIS VERY BOARD! Haha!

Mind you it also will depend on whether the girl likes you. I had one girl (albeit in a different country) come up to me while I was sitting at the bar and tell me she REALLY liked me. This turned out to be true. The GFE was great and since she was HOT I really got off on it. The same thing can be said for the above one from Pitstop. She really liked me as well. Did not want to leave and snuggled up to me in bed really nice GFE!

I stopped in a bar on 51st yesterday, might have even been at Pit Stop. Don't remember the name. Two different girls said 50 LT. Same thing at the various random bars I stopped around 104 and the River. As far as I know, none of them were famous. I was the only punter in every single bar I stopped in except one, started around 7 and ended around 3 am.

I just find it weird that I get a lot lower quotes from girls of the same quality or better in a hardcore (and more expensive) mongering location like Pattaya than here.

[QUOTE=Waste Mgmt;1318550]You will get a better exchange rate in PP than in Thailand for your baht. On street 136 near the Central Market (just before all the pharmacies) there are money changers. Try a couple of them to compare, the spread is actually quite good.[/QUOTE]I doubt that. The spread for THB / USD at Superrich in Bangkok is sometimes just 2 Satang. Right no Buying 31. 35, selling 31. 37. (sorry, the spaces in my numbers are automated and unavoidable).

[url]http://www.superrichthailand.com/editor/rate.html[/url]

Same shit tonight. Girls on 104 giving lot of attention, groping, kissing, etc in bar, but when ask about going out they want $10 barfine + $30 barfine for "two hour or until you cum". Talked them down to 25 and 20, but still too fucking much. 20+10+short time room you're talking 1100 baht, and an average month income here. Same as I'm paying in Pattaya and Angeles City and this place is twice as poor. The prices just don't make sense, especially since once again I was the only punter in all 4 bars I visited. I chose no one. Fuck this place. I got mislead on the value here. I'm going to Bangkok tomorrow, getting out of here earlier than planned.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1318834]I was the only punter in all 4 bars I visited.[/QUOTE]That should be a clue ;) Why do you keep going back to those bloody hostess bars? PP isn't Patty or BKK. There's no need to buy LDs or pay BFs. The freelancer scene is where the value is. Go to the mall, the Heart or Pontoon!

Loso

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1318834]Same shit tonight. Girls on 104 giving lot of attention, groping, kissing, etc in bar, but when ask about going out they want $10 barfine + $30 barfine for "two hour or until you cum". Talked them down to 25 and 20, but still too fucking much. 20+10+short time room you're talking 1100 baht, and an average month income here. Same as I'm paying in Pattaya and Angeles City and this place is twice as poor. The prices just don't make sense, especially since once again I was the only punter in all 4 bars I visited. I chose no one. Fuck this place. I got mislead on the value here. I'm going to Bangkok tomorrow, getting out of here earlier than planned.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a good idea. Obviously you and Phnom Penh don't get on very well!

After reading your posts, I went to about six different bars, on Streets 104 and 118, to reassure myself that what you are saying isn't strictly true.

My approach is to take a bit of time with the girls in each bar. PP is not like Pattaya, girls here sometimes don't like the "hello, how much for LT" approach. Sometimes you need to slow down a bit and talk to them. After half an hour of them chatting to you and getting to know you a bit, they will ask a much lower price.

On my visits I was quoted $30-$40 for long time (from good-looking girls, not slappers). Plus the $7-10 barfine. One girl did ask for $50 but came back down to $35 when she realised I wasn't going to fall for her high first offer.

I do know that quite often Americans are quoted higher prices here.

There are also plenty of hot freelancers around Sorya Mall on St 51, and at Pontoon after 11pm, who will happily go with you all night for $20. Martinis is also occasionally a good hunting ground for cheap but decent FL's but it is a bit hit-and-miss on quality. It sometimes takes a couple of visits to score a real gem.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1318553]As with most hostess bars, the best time to go for the biggest selection of girls and when they are most wide-awake, is from about 7. 30pm. But if you want a more fun atmosphere, still with loads of girls, go to the bars from 10. 30pm onwards.

Rose bar has 25+ girls, Golden Vine and Zapata about 22 each, so I'm sure you'll find someone that you want to take back to your hotel! Expect to pay $30-40 for all night from these bars, plus the $7-10 barfine.[/QUOTE]AussieGuy100, thanks again for another dose of generous information. With other board members assuring Golden Vine, I think that is the first place I ought to visit. With so many bars in PP, I just wish my trip could be longer.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1318946]Sounds like a good idea. Obviously you and Phnom Penh don't get on very well!

After reading your posts, I went to about six different bars, on Streets 104 and 118, to reassure myself that what you are saying isn't strictly true.

My approach is to take a bit of time with the girls in each bar. PP is not like Pattaya, girls here sometimes don't like the "hello, how much for LT" approach. Sometimes you need to slow down a bit and talk to them. After half an hour of them chatting to you and getting to know you a bit, they will ask a much lower price.

On my visits I was quoted $30-$40 for long time (from good-looking girls, not slappers). Plus the $7-10 barfine. One girl did ask for $50 but came back down to $35 when she realised I wasn't going to fall for her high first offer.[/QUOTE]Very true. I think the girls just try it on right away if they think you are a bit new to the scene. One thing I tend to do when I get an over-inflated price, I walk away from the girl to another place in the bar and check out the others around. 9 out of 10 times, they come back with a better price.

Actually, I never brought up the prospect of leaving with them as I was usually still enjoying my first drink. Each and every time (except when I stopped on the bar on 51) they brought it up to me. So it wasn't a question of me just rolling in and treating it like a brothel. The prices just don't match the country though, place and simple, even at the rates you're saying.

Cambodia 159th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $30. Average ST $33 USD.

Thailand 94th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $683. Average ST $30 USD.

Philippines 133rd in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $142. Average ST $17 USD.

Hong Kong 28th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $1353. Average ST $33 USD.

Does that seem right to you?

This place seems to be totally skewed on prices, probably largely because of the dollarized economy. I pay more for coffee and ST here than I do in Philippines or Thailand. From what people have told me, rent here for a Western style apartment is double what it costs for a new condo unit in the Philippines. Heading to the airport now to check out Bangkok. Want to get some enjoyment on my holiday. Enjoy your overpriced ST's and lack of sidewalks my friend.

All in good fun of course. The value just isn't there for me. I'll chalk it up to experience. Thanks for the help from those who offered.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1319030]Actually, I never brought up the prospect of leaving with them as I was usually still enjoying my first drink. Each and every time (except when I stopped on the bar on 51) they brought it up to me. So it wasn't a question of me just rolling in and treating it like a brothel. The prices just don't match the country though, place and simple, even at the rates you're saying.

Cambodia 159th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $30. Average ST $33 USD.

Thailand 94th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $683. Average ST $30 USD.

Philippines 133rd in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $142. Average ST $17 USD.

Hong Kong 28th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $1353. Average ST $33 USD.

Does that seem right to you?

This place seems to be totally skewed on prices, probably largely because of the dollarized economy. I pay more for coffee and ST here than I do in Philippines or Thailand. From what people have told me, rent here for a Western style apartment is double what it costs for a new condo unit in the Philippines. Heading to the airport now to check out Bangkok. Want to get some enjoyment on my holiday. Enjoy your overpriced ST's and lack of sidewalks my friend.

All in good fun of course. The value just isn't there for me. I'll chalk it up to experience. Thanks for the help from those who offered.[/QUOTE]I don't know where you got the $30 per month average income figure. More like $70 on the low end in PP. A maid in an ok hotel is making close to $100 with her tips, to put it in perspective.

I will agree that the quoted rates for 1 time customers is high. A fair share of PP bar girls are selective as to who they go with, just because of the pricing. They don't have to fuck every night. The other poster was right- it's different than Thailand or many other places where the girls would prefer you make up your mind quick, take them short term so they can get back to the bar and get another. A lot of girls in PP want or need to be somewhat comfortable with you before they go. Honestly, the only place I ever even talk price was Martini. Might be a good idea with the more hardened lot in HoD too. Besides that,"up to you" is the standard reply I used to get anyway, so I quit asking. I prefer the girls who don't talk money up front. My experience is that the more obsessed with the money aspect up front, the worse the performance, GFE, and the more likely a bullshit reason to leave early after the first pop. I've never had a girl upset with $30 in the morning.

Rick Rock, your average ST for Thailand, Phil, HK, are on the very very low end. I don't think it is the real overall average. For 30 USD or 900 bahts, I think in Capital Bangkok, you can only get older unattractive stand alone street workers, or Pattaya soi 6 or Beach walkers. In Manila as well. 17 USD can only get you the very bottom of the barrel in freelancer scene. For a decent girl in MBC, the average is more like 2000 pesos up or 50 USD. 33 USD in HK, the most likely choice is only the sex 141 type apartment older massage ladies with 30 min session. But the 33 USD average ST in Phnom Penh, you are talking about girls from karaoke pick bars, the freelancer are cheaper than that.

So we are comparing all these capitals, upcountry are a different story in these nations, My average in my experiences for a "doable girl" will be this (exclude bar fines if have any)

Phnom Penh 30-40USD.

Bangkok 1500-2000 bahts.

Manila 2000-3000 pesos.

HK 700-1000HKD

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1319030]The prices just don't match the country though, place and simple, even at the rates you're saying.[/QUOTE]Maybe a reason the prices don't match per capita GDP is because those aren't the factors that drive the market prices. I tend to think the prices are what they are because that's what the girls are able to charge and succeed at getting. Free market in other words. GDP not really relevant. The prices are set by the market that, and the market doesn't include the salaries of office workers, farmers, oil revenues, etc. But just the girls who are willing to sell and the guys who are willing to buy. The scene in PP is tiny compared to BKK and Pattaya. It's also developed a lot in the last 10 years to include a lot more higher end venues, and over that time places like Martini and Sharky have been displaced by a variety of places generally at higher prices.

To me, it seems like the general rule is that the more supply there is in a place, the lower prices will be. Lots of poor countries don't have much of a scene, and what they do have is not cheap.

Your overall impression that it's not worth a visit compared to Pattaya does seem right though. The place doesn't merit a visit if one is mainly after that one thing. If you happen to be in town, then it's acceptable. But definitely the situation is better in Thailand.

I'm talking about main mongering destinations, like Angeles City (ST 700 pesos on Raymond Street 24 hours a day for example. 1500-2000 pesos is for a LT in a bar including barfine, girl stays with you often approaching 24 hours). Manila has available girls as does almost any city, but it's not the main spot for foreigners to monger in the Philippines. AC is.

BKK isn't the main mongering spot in Thailand. Quite a lot of mongering there, but clearly Pattaya draws in a lot more punters. On Soi 6 (which even as one street has more bars than all of Phnom Penh combined) in Pattaya it's 1000 baht or less for ST on the spot. On Soi 7 and 8, it's easy to get LT for 1000. On Beach Road, freelancers go for even less. 500 baht short time all day. BKK also isn't comparable to Phnom Penh, because it has things like traffic lights, stop signs and even a train. Phnom Penh is more like an African city than anything approaching Bangkok.

HK you can get $33 ST all day and all night in walk ups which you can find on 141 etc. Thai girls, PRC girls. Many, especially Thai girls, none older than 25. Quite easy and quite possible. I know a place around North Point where there are 5 Thai girls working at all times, all under 25, $30 ST.

Phnom Penh, you go to Cyrcee, they want 15-20 + drink + barfine + ST room. You end up spending 30-40 for a blow and go, pump and dump. Take a short trip next door to Thailand, set up in Pattaya, pull LT from Beer Bars any day you want for 1000-1300 baht. Average income in Thailand is more than 200% what it is in Phnom Penh, so you explain to me how that works.

I think overpaid NGO losers and UN abusers have simply blown the prices completely out of proportion. Combine that with the dollar and you have a recipe for ST equaling an average month income.

[quote]To me, it seems like the general rule is that the more supply there is in a place, the lower prices will be.[/quote]Supply and demand is secondary. The American School of Economics, which has done such a good job the world over (see: 2008) , likes to pretend that's it's primary, but it's not.

The first thing that matters is reproduction. A person simply cannot sell their time / labor for a rate that won't allow them to eat, sleep, etc. (reproduce themselves and their availability). If you can't eat, you certainly can't work in a factory or a bar or anywhere else. After that supply and demand has a regulating effect.

So when talking about prices, you first have to consider how much the girl needs to house herself, feed herself, get around, get her clothes and nails painted, etc. While a Korean girl in a massage joint in NYC may need thousands per month for this kind of upkeep, a Khmer girl in Phnom Penh can do it for next to nothing. And that matters.

Now, you do have the "Big Willies," 5 day millionaires, the "elites", and those nicking UN / NGO / Charity funds for themselves for whom the money flows like water. Good for them. Of course the girls will go for what they can get. I would too. Glad some of that filters to ladies who need it to. But for the general monger, it's bullshit. Especially when you hear all the stories about the great value of Cambodia, including on this board, even recently. The reality simply doesn't much up.

A girl ten times poorer than a girl in the country next door wants the same rate for doing less. Something is really wrong with that picture.

New York has the biggest concentration of wealth in the world, plenty of full time big spenders, and yet there are hundreds of 7-9 Korean girls in their early 20's available at massage parlors 24/7 for $200 a pop. Average rent in Manhattan is over $3000 a month. What is it in Phnom Penh? So when they ask $50 for ST in Phnom Penh, it's really just insane.

And speaking of supply and demand, like I said, I was the ONLY guy in 90% of the bars I stopped in, early evening, midnight, early morning, didn't matter, and didn't seem to effect prices a lick.

With Thailand and Vietnam being right next door, the place just doesn't make sense for mongering.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1319300]Supply and demand is secondary. The American School of Economics, which has done such a good job the world over (see: 2008) , likes to pretend that's it's primary, but it's not.

So when talking about prices, you first have to consider how much the girl needs to house herself, feed herself, get around, get her clothes and nails painted, etc.[/QUOTE]So then we should ignore the prices that she offers, or is willing to be bargained down to, instead inquire about how much she pays in rent or to do her nails, and take the negotiating from there? That's different, I'll give you that.

Actually I'm surprised no one has mentioned it here, but there are places with prices closer to your expectations, they're the ones that locals go to (and that mainly only locals can stomach). You're going to places geared toward foreigners. Different customers, different prices in each of those 2 scenes. I assume you don't find that strange.

It seems pretty simple even using your own examples: the girls aren't willing to go lower, and obviously they're still earning enough to make showing up every night worthwhile, so there's no reason for them to lower their price. In this case at least, it seems like it's your primary factors that don't matter too much.

You're totally right though that PP is not a serious monger destination. It does make some sense for mongering if someone happens to be passing through, it's something to do while there, or if you are living in Vietnam and don't have the time/money to go all the way to Thailand. For people like that, it's just something different, and actually a little cheaper than similar venues in VN. If you have some money to spend, and time to go there, then Thailand is vastly better.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1319312]So then we should ignore the prices that she offers, or is willing to be bargained down to, instead inquire about how much she pays in rent or to do her nails, and take the negotiating from there? That's different, I'll give you that.

Actually I'm surprised no one has mentioned it here, but there are places with prices closer to your expectations, they're the ones that locals go to (and that mainly only locals can stomach). You're going to places geared toward foreigners. Different customers, different prices in each of those 2 scenes. I assume you don't find that strange.

It seems pretty simple even using your own examples: the girls aren't willing to go lower, and obviously they're still earning enough to make showing up every night worthwhile, so there's no reason for them to lower their price. In this case at least, it seems like it's your primary factors that don't matter too much.

You're totally right though that PP is not a serious monger destination. It does make some sense for mongering if someone happens to be passing through, it's something to do while there, or if you are living in Vietnam and don't have the time / money to go all the way to Thailand. For people like that, it's just something different, and actually a little cheaper than similar venues in VN. If you have some money to spend, and time to go there, then Thailand is vastly better.[/QUOTE]The continued discussion of prices and comparators is really rather counter productive. Whilst we all want value for money, when we come from the USA or Europe paying $30 L / t compares pretty favourably with UK prices of £800+ for an overnight in the UK.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470;1319340]The continued discussion of prices and comparators is really rather counter productive. Whilst we all want value for money, when we come from the USA or Europe paying $30 L / t compares pretty favourably with UK prices of £800+ for an overnight in the UK.[/QUOTE]Good thing I don't live in the UK. And neither do the girls in Phnom Penh. They pay $80 a month rent, split with three friends, and maybe $35 a month on food and other expenses. They fuck one idiot and make their entire income for the month. Filipinas and Thais fuck way more to make their monthly income, probably even escorts in New York do.

Phnom Penh, the only place in the world a chubby girl with bad teeth can fuck a guy once, without even doing a BJ mind you, and have money to last a month.

Why would I go to a place to insult their woman? Hell! If the place and it's people is below your taste, don't go there!

That's not why I went there. Many Khmer women are beautiful, same as anywhere else. I dated one in New York for a while. I'm talking specifically about working girls that are not beautiful. They exist everywhere, but no where else in the world that I know of can they get a month's income with a single no-BJ romp. THAT'S what I'm talking about here. INSANE prices for mongering that bare no relation to the condition or economy of the country. The place IS NOT a value at all, and I feel disappointed that I was told it was.

Cheaper ST exists in so many places. A real "value" place to me would be the $7 short time in Nicaragua for example.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470;1319340]The continued discussion of prices and comparators is really rather counter productive. Whilst we all want value for money, when we come from the USA or Europe paying $30 L / t compares pretty favourably with UK prices of £800+ for an overnight in the UK.[/QUOTE]All prostitutes irrespect of which country they live and work make way more money than most other people working a hard day.

But remeber prostitutes have a short span to make money. Older she gets demand and price goes down. If they have not made money and settled by the time they are 28 they are introuble. Unfortunately they learn too late and end up in squalid neighbourhoods eching out a living and remembering about how she lived when she was young. Couple of AC girls I know very well comes to mind. They were very beautiffull with nice bodies and turned down many customers.

Price in this business dictates on the beauty of the girl alone. Performance only counts if the guy wants repeat the same girl.

Ofcourse unless the guy is wealthy, workers who earn in dollars, pounds, euros can afford to pay more to the girl. They always compare at home prices for hookers. Will this spoil the market? Sure it will but it is all demand supply. All men have overpaid at times if they see a girl they really want. Once I paid $800 for a day and half to a beautifull Russian girl who was very good in bed in Atlantic city. Only problem was she was snorting cocaine.

In our monger business if we see a girl we like we tend to pay more to get her irrespective of market price.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1319441]That's not why I went there. Many Khmer women are beautiful, same as anywhere else. I dated one in New York for a while. I'm talking specifically about working girls that are not beautiful. They exist everywhere, but no where else in the world that I know of can they get a month's income with a single no-BJ romp. THAT'S what I'm talking about here. INSANE prices for mongering that bare no relation to the condition or economy of the country. The place IS NOT a value at all, and I feel disappointed that I was told it was.

Cheaper ST exists in so many places. A real "value" place to me would be the $7 short time in Nicaragua for example.[/QUOTE]
I'm puzzled why you are 'surprised' by the prices here. The Phnom Penh thread has a lot of information on ST and LT prices. The consensus is that ST ranges from $10-30 and LT from $20-40 here. Presumably you read some of this. You also say you were helped by some of the posters with information. So why all the grouching?

Yes there are many other countries with cheaper prices. If cost is of a primary concern to you, then go to those countries.

The overall average monthly income here including the millions of impoverished rural workers may well be $30, but the girls have to spend a lot more than that to work in the bars. Yes their rent is generally $20-40 a month, but food is about $40-60, moto trips to and from work are about $40-60 a month, clothes, make-up and incidental expenses maybe another $20-40 a month. So their monthly expenses are realistically about $120-180.

These figures are from talking to a lot of girls here.

So it takes them about six ST's a month to cover their costs, or quite a few lady drinks.

Anyway, have fun in Nicaragua or Pattaya. Cheaper girls, but for me personally, not with the charm of some of the Khmer girls here. When I'm fucking a gorgeous, slim, soft-skinned, tight pussied twenty-year old Khmer girl, I really don't care that it may be costing me $5-10 more a night than somewhere else.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1319466]I'm puzzled why you are 'surprised' by the prices here. The Phnom Penh thread has a lot of information on ST and LT prices. The consensus is that ST ranges from $10-30 and LT from $15-40 here. Presumably you read some of this. You also say you were helped by some of the posters with information. So why all the grouching?

Yes there are many other countries with cheaper prices. If cost is of a primary concern to you, then go to those countries.

The overall average monthly income here including the millions of impoverished rural workers may well be $30, but the girls have to spend a lot more than that to work in the bars. Yes their rent is generally $20-40 a month, but food is about $40-60, moto trips to and from work are about $40-60 a month, clothes, make-up and incidental expenses maybe another $20-40 a month. So their monthly expenses are realistically about $120-180.

These figures are from talking to a lot of girls here.

So it takes them about six ST's a month to cover their costs, or quite a few lady drinks.

Anyway, have fun in Nicaragua or Pattaya. Cheaper girls, but for me personally, not with the charm of some of the Khmer girls here.[/QUOTE]These guys will spend $60 to fill their gas tanks to drive around and look at the shopping malls where they come from. They'd have to pay at least $100 for a HJ, where they live. They pay $1000s on airfare and hotels and cry about $30. Give me a break. Be thankful for what you can get for such small money.

Phnom Penh is not for everybody, prices were much lower 5 years ago, and I guess many more girls were GFE back then, but I still like the place. It is not Bangkok and that is a good thing. I travel in Asia for 5 or 6 weeks at a time. I always spend a couple weeks in BKK, but there are times when I want to get away from the big Mango and all that Asian metropolis thing the Thais have going on there. Phnom Penh is fun. It has a different pace. I like to walk around, cross the streets whenever I feel like it, eat Khmer food, and yes spend some time with the local girls. Phnom is not my favorite watering hole in Asia, but every other year or so I get the desire to come back and relax here. I was last in Penh in 2011. I took a mini side trip to Kep and Kampot. I rented a motorcycle for $5 /day and toured the countryside. The Penh girls treated me well and I had a great time. I paid around $25 and $30 for multiple shots ST. I am starting to get that 'wish I was back in PP blues' again. Guess I will have to start planning my next trip.

A rough ball park price comparison should compare apples to apples not apples to figs. I can't keep track of exact prices all that much because I visit a lot of places and I just don't care what I pay as long as I am paying the local market rate and the girls I take show me a good time.

Penh – good looking hostess girls $30 + barfine ST (my experience – this includes two pops). Finding the right girl may take a little time. Girls hanging out in casinos ask more ($50 and higher). Are they worth it? It depends on the girl.

BKK – Cowboy / Nana Go Go girl 2000bt + barfine ST and 3000bt LT. Some girls are starting to ask 2500bt ST. Sexy oily massage girls still around 2100bt ST total and soapy girls are from 2200bt up to 6800bt ST.

Makati – hot Burgos ST bar girl 3000p average + 3000p bar fine more or less which will come to 5000 to 8000p LT. High end Quezon KTV girls 12000p ($300). No lie.

Macau – really beautiful Chinese sauna girls 1600hk to 2300hk ST.

AC – above average Fields lookers 2000p LT ($50) inclusive. Above average Perimeter lookers 1200p to 1500p LT. So AC is sometimes about the same price as Penh in this category and sometimes more expensive. Penh has better ambiance and food and keep this in mind; some AC bars have premium girls with 3000p to 4000p EWR's. I don't see the savings here over PP, but I like both places for different reasons.

Pattaya - walking Street good looking Go Go girls 2000 to 2500bt + barfine ST and 3000bt – 4000bt + barfine LT. Sure there are a tons of cheaper alternatives in Pattaya. The Coconut Bar, Soi 6, and the Dark Side, but remember I am comparing apples to apples. Pattaya at the top level is not cheaper than Penh.

So that was my little comparison of top quality to top quality girls which is what I focus on when I am in the field hunting. If you want to compare FL's to FL's; that is another story. For Example: PP $10 ST, BKK 1000bt ST, Pattaya 500 to 700bt ST & 1000bt LT, AC 700p LT, Malate / Ermita 1500p LT, Macau 250hk to 1000hk ST. So the cheapest girls are still in Penh, then AC and then Pattaya. I guess what Rick is trying to say is Pattaya and AC have a better and larger selection of girls at the lower end price level. I have no argument with this. Hey, go where your bliss leads and your wallet allows. AND be happy!

[QUOTE=Gone Around;1317838]If money matters, avoid the airport ATM as it costs $6 USD. In town or other local shops, the ATM fee is $ 4 USD.[/QUOTE]Use the ATM in the Cambodia Mekong Bank on the riverfront, there are no fees. It will give you all $100 bills, but then you just change them at their counter.

Also, there are some real cuties working there.

Rick.

Don't mean to flame you.

However, You can always come back to Japan and pay the going rates and get the kooky here.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1319441]That's not why I went there. Many Khmer women are beautiful, same as anywhere else. I dated one in New York for a while. I'm talking specifically about working girls that are not beautiful. They exist everywhere, but no where else in the world that I know of can they get a month's income with a single no-BJ romp. THAT'S what I'm talking about here. INSANE prices for mongering that bare no relation to the condition or economy of the country. The place IS NOT a value at all, and I feel disappointed that I was told it was.

Cheaper ST exists in so many places. A real "value" place to me would be the $7 short time in Nicaragua for example.[/QUOTE]PP has that same kind of super cheap ST, at about that price, but it's seedy as hell and you probably wouldn't be into it if you were taken there. That used to be part of the 'scene' in PP but there's been a crackdown on it, so it's much less avaiilable to foreigners these days. PP is still one of the cheapest places in the world. The only problem seems to be the expectation that there be a direct correspondence between cost of living for locals and the price you pay. Since you don't work there and earn local wages, I don't see how that affects you though.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1319469]These guys will spend $60 to fill their gas tanks to drive around and look at the shopping malls where they come from. They'd have to pay at least $100 for a HJ, where they live. They pay $1000s on airfare and hotels and cry about $30. Give me a break. Be thankful for what you can get for such small money.[/QUOTE]I don't have a gas tank. I'm from NYC. I pay $2 to go anywhere in the five boroughs. 24 hours a day, on an air conditioned train. I also don't go to shopping malls. Again, I'm from NYC. Is that why people pay a lot in PP? Because they are suburban suckers, conspicuous spenders, show offs? So the same reason NYC is getting ruined by bridge and tunnel assholes applies to a far flung end of the world location like PP?

A HJ in NYC in Chinatown attached to a 1 hour massage runs me exactly $35. I paid $950 to fly to Hong Kong. $135 from there to BKK. $105 from BKK to Phnom Penh. All round trip. How any of this is relevant to girls who were born and raised in Cambodia and need less than $100 a month to live above the local standard is beyond me.

Anyone will work for the highest rate they can get. That's obvious. The issue is why foreigners are paying such high rates. Of course the people would work for a lot less if such rates weren't on offer, because they need a lot less to live, then say, an escort in Manhattan.

And when I say I pay 1000 be LT in Pattaya, that's not for beach road or Soi 6 hags. Cute girls with flat stomachs no stretch marks nice tits and asses from Soi 7 and Soi 8 go with me at the rate without a problem. They are as good as any girl in PP. It costs them a lot more to live in Pattaya than it costs a girl to live in PP. They have to bang more guys to earn the same standard of life. Why is that?

If you like paying the Hong Kong rates in a country where most people lack electricity and toilets, more power to you. Just don't promote the place as a world historic value for mongering, because it's not.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1319616]Anyone will work for the highest rate they can get. That's obvious. The issue is why foreigners are paying such high rates. Of course the people would work for a lot less if such rates weren't on offer, because they need a lot less to live, then say, an escort in Manhattan.[/QUOTE]I thought you said the issue was why they charge that much. Anyway, the reason foreigners pay that much is easy to guess: because at that moment they're probably a bit drunk and looking at a gorgeous girl, and eager to move on to the next stage of things. And they're on holiday. And they have plenty of spend money on hand. And this is the time to spend it. And they're horny. And they know when they go back home, the same thing will cost a lot more.

I'm not going to get into a discussion on economics, especially on this forum of all places. I'll just say that in the final judgement value of a commodity reflects the amount needed to reproduce the work embedded in it. Supply and demand and the market only helps this process along, it doesn't supercede it (that's why a garment worker in Vietnam is paid 1/100th of what his counterpart in Vermont would be paid for the exact same work; it costs a lot more to house, feed, and raise a new generation of garment workers in Burlington than it does Hanoi at the current time. Of course this doesn't matter for international corporations based in place like New York, which are playing with USA dollars and exporting the final products to the West). This goes against the "common wisdom" of the American School of make believe "free markets" and "supply and demand," which reflects the rise and dominance of fictitious capital that caused the 1973-2008 credit bubble and crisis from which we haven't and won't recover, but it's none the less true. If you read any of the founders of political economy, those who formulated the ideological basis of capitalism and discovered its processes, you'll find what the reality is. Some economists are now doing precisely that, in an effort to discover a way out of the current impasse.

The End.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1319693]I'm not going to get into a discussion on economics, especially on this forum of all places. I'll just say that in the final judgement value of a commodity reflects the amount needed to reproduce the work embedded in it. Supply and demand and the market only helps this process along, it doesn't supercede it.

The End.[/QUOTE]Wrong. For a start the girls are not 'commodities' in a marketing sense. They are discretionary purchases. Like a pair of Nike trainers or a Timberland shirt. The price of the Nike trainers is not determined on cost plus a small profit, as would be the case with true commodities like gasoline or milk. The Nikes have a higher perceived value due to advertising and brand perception and the high price reflects this.

This is similar to the prices the girls ask for. They initially try to get the highest price they can from punters on the basis that the punters may believe that they are worth that. Some punters do believe this and agree straight away. Most will negotiate down a bit and then think they are getting good value. A few punters with more local knowledge, or just a harder attitude, will keep negotiating the price down, but be willing to walk away.

So it is very much supply and demand that determines the girls prices here. Believe me, prices would drop if the girls weren't getting any business at all. Plus a lot of them are happy with just being bought about 80-100 lady drinks a month (a typical total that yields them $80-100) plus about $30 in tips plus their $70 salary. About $200 a month in total.

Also many of the more beautiful girls already have between one and four overseas guys each sending them between $100-500 a month. Of course each guy thinks he is the only boyfriend, but the girls are expert jugglers. So why bother with cheap ST's when they are making several hundred dollars a month for sitting around.

I have lived here now for several months and constantly see girls sitting in the bars calling up one boyfriend after another on a Skype video call and telling them how much they love them and could the guy possibly manage a few more dollars for rent / sickness / new dress etc.

The girls are not commodities. The service they sell is. And the value of it, like all other commodities, is based on expended work and reproduction. Period.

The amount of time that goes into a Nike shoe is higher than the amount of time that goes into a no name shoe. Not only in the physical production, but in the amount of time used for creating advertising, the huge marketing campaigns, the training of the people who create and implement the marketing campaigns, and the cost to reproduce all of that. A commodity is everything (I. E. All the work / time, the quality of that work / time, the rate to reproduce that work / time) that goes into making it a commodity.

If guys are giving them outrageous amounts of money, buying dozens of drinks, and they have lots of overseas idiots, which I do very much believe, that explains why the market is so skewed. Like I guessed, foreign punters and the dollar ruined it. It's the equivalent of Nike packing up and setting up a factory in Cambodia, then paying the workers $10 an hour,"because that's still so much lower than where they come from in the USA". Of course they would never do that, because they are not stupid. That's why Nike is successful.

Good on the girls. I hope they get all the money they can and are able to raise themselves to a decent quality of life. Obviously the dummies dishing out the dough don't need it, or they wouldn't be doing that. But it absolutely excludes PP and a value mongering destination as there are dozens of places on earth with more quantity, more variety, all at better prices.

No mongers go somewhere and start to calculate the ST pop price vs average earning ratio. Most people are on 1-2 weeks hunting trip. When they see a cutie in Phnom Penh costing 40 USD, instead of doing the ST fee against average GDP math, they will think this gal in Bangkok massage or gogo bar will cost me total over 2800 bahts. They will think it's el cheapo cheapo in PP.

That's why all the fees in different countries regardless the GDP / ST session ratio are getting more and more similar, especially the middle upper market. Well, HK and Singapore have 10 times more average GDP than these SEA backwaters, but amazingly a ST session with a nice gogo girl or a sideline girl in Thailand (total cost about 100 USD) cost the same with a beautiful hotel booking girl in HK (also about 100 USD).

Hey rick,

Why keep thinking of Cambodia when you have already left? I think arguing is good but not to the point where it becomes an ego issue. I think many BMs would rather this thread be full of FR than the "out of your control" arguments that has been going on. Why not call it quits and everyone move on like gentleman?

Remind me to take a calculator next time I hit a bar in Phnom Pehn. Must get the economics right!

[QUOTE=Guitar7997; 1319775]Hey rick,

Why keep thinking of Cambodia when you have already left? I think arguing is good but not to the point where it becomes an ego issue. I think many BMs would rather this thread be full of FR than the "out of your control" arguments that has been going on. Why not call it quits and everyone move on like gentleman?[/QUOTE]Nicely expressed.

And it's actually a good time to be out in the field.

The hostess bar girls get paid at the beginning of the month, so from about the 20th of the month onwards many of them are running out of money and are willing to go out with customers for less than they would normally. Also from July to October is the quiet season for bars, so fewer customers and even more reason for the girls to accept less.

With all the discussions about prices and 'value', it's easy to forget how stunning some of the girls are in Cambodia. How could anyone possibly say no to LT for $40 with this girl?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1319761]...It's the equivalent of Nike packing up and setting up a factory in Cambodia, then paying the workers $10 an hour,"because that's still so much lower than where they come from in the USA"...[/QUOTE]I am fully with you. You are the first American with such a voice of reason that I come across. But most parts of the world are spoiled for the reasons the others mention. Also Thailand is way overpriced.

That is why I prefer to stay in Hong Kong now. In very few places you can get a session for less time of work. No hotels and no travel involved, and a good variety available.

Your sentiments are spot on. I had a similar girl from one of the bars. She was genuinely beautiful in my opinion. She asked me for USD$30 and I took her twice because she was great. No need to negotiate. GFE and stayed all night until next afternoon. In the end she needed to go do some chores. No problem at all. In terms of the sex she was great. I liked her so I didn't make her do any weird stuff but she was probably up for a bit of anal. The 2nd time I took her she tried to give me back $20. Told her to spend it on her kid.

It remains a one off special time in my mind that I wouldn't spoil with talk of lower rates.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1319693]I'm not going to get into a discussion on economics,

The End.[/QUOTE]Well I, for one, am glad to see what it looks like when you avoid the topic of economics. ;.)

Every country has local venues. If you do some search around and willing take the risk, and can screw in some pig sty, you can always find places that are in line with their country's economy. In BBK, just get out of town a bit, to Chonburi, Samut Sakorn, Kanchanaburi ect, local karaoke joints or brothels everywhere for 500 bahts. It takes some guts to go to these joints usually in very dark alleys and sometimes with very rowdy and rough Thai customers (imagine 10 Thai taxi drivers or construction workers or somtam guys drinking together) When I was younger, I liked the off beaten tracks, I like adventures, also I had a few very scary moments.

In PP, you can also play local style, and pay according to their economy, but you also have go through a series of risk to save a few dollars. If you are looking for 10 dollar or less a pop, that fit the definition of average GPD salary ratio, you can go to Svay Pak. This place was never completely closed, it is just on a low key. But if you go, it's your own risk. This place has been infested with NGO lookouts, and crooked police looking for extortion since the semi-closure.

As for most of us, I know 40 USD a pop in PP, or 2000 bahts ST (plus pay bar) in Bangkok are very very pricy in their economies, but most of us are on short 7 day mission, are we more concerned about overpaying their economy value or more concerned about I may have to jack off tonight.

There is the often stated myth of women "faking" orgasms. That is actually impossible to do. Period. I have heard men offering proof aplenty of orgasm by observing women's vocal expressions, body twitching, writhing in general, spasms, heavy breathing, engorged vagina and clit etc. Yet there is only one 100% surefire way to tell if an orgasm is indeed occurring. In fact, all human beings have the exact same response during all orgasms. The sphincter contracts and pulsates each and every time.

So. If the guy has his finger even lightly on her anus or the tip of the finger inside (no real need to penetrate very far) the response is unmistakable (and impossible to fake). And the same if she is touching the man's backdoor.

For maximum affect the index finger is inserted not too far. Maybe to the first knuckle (and fingernails must be trimmed to the shortest length possible) it usually prompts the orgasm if done at the right time and in the right manner."Gentle and slow" is the key concept here. Not rough and aggressive as this can be alarming for the woman. Light stroking before any insertion, etc.

I am rather amazed that I have never seen this discussed anywhere. Ever. Hmmm.

One of the most pleasurable acts in sex to me is making the woman come and feeling her pulsating asshole. Perhaps one of my favorite things is when I stimulate her clitoris manually and probe and lick her ass with my tongue and then insert it fully and feel her anus strongly grip my tongue as she is coming. And likewise when she is doing the same to me. Heaven indeed and especially when another woman is sucking my cock at the same time."Double Trouble" I call it.

No man on Earth can withstand that onslaught for more than a few minutes. Two talented tongues drilling toward each other right through your center. Wow.

Obviously ultra-cleanliness is in order for the above. I always use copious amounts of soap and do the cleaning myself on both of us (really really clean). This will last maybe an hour of activity after showering to be guaranteed of no accidents. I aint never had nary a problem with hundreds of women. They might be a bit surprised at first (especially when in the shower cleaning, etc.) but all surrender to the intense pleasure that this activity inevitably delivers.

Not much is more intimate than exploring each others assholes with tongues and lips. If you haven't tried it give it a go and see what happens. You'll thank me. Any thoughts on the above? Others have noticed this for sure.

I'm back in the working land. Bummer to leave, but happy to know I'll go back despite the calls about over priced providers.

Frankly, in the end, if you deem your time and money spent with a girl a value for the money spent, you've done great.

For my short or long time in PP, $ 20 was the most I paid. $ 5, the lowest, plus their ride home. It really didn't matter if the girl was cute or not to me, as long they had good attitude and seemed to take care of themselves.

I did go with a few girls a second time or meet up with them. Sometimes more money was asked for, but I kept payment to what I felt was fair for both of us and by being consistent and firm with your no, they respected me more.

No matter what, I had a fantastic time in PP between all of the massages and just about getting to know about half of the gals at Martini. It was funny after a few days, that girls who didn't approach me in the beginning would soon approach me, because they saw and heard that I treated the other girls well. It was like being a long timer at Cheers, where everybody knows your name.

My couple of nights down on the river, was just like being elsewhere in Asia where the bar and girls just feel like they want to suck you dry. That's not enjoyable.

In the end, have an wonderful time in Phnom Penh. If you don't like it, go find someplace else.

[QUOTE=Melted11;1320336]No man on Earth can withstand that onslaught for more than a few minutes. Two talented tongues drilling toward each other right through your center. Wow.[/QUOTE]Hahah good to see some of us really pushing the boundaries out there.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1320012]Well I, for one, am glad to see what it looks like when you avoid the topic of economics. ;.)[/QUOTE]Haha. I just responded to some of the replies I got to my post. That's part of posting on a board like this.

I studied economics for 8 years in academia and a long time after that on my own / for employment. Believe me when I tell you, I didn't even began to really discuss the issue.

I'll make my exit from this thread on overpaid hookers and the men who love them now. ;.)

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1319030]Actually, I never brought up the prospect of leaving with them as I was usually still enjoying my first drink. Each and every time (except when I stopped on the bar on 51) they brought it up to me. So it wasn't a question of me just rolling in and treating it like a brothel. The prices just don't match the country though, place and simple, even at the rates you're saying.

Cambodia 159th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $30. Average ST $33 USD.

Thailand 94th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $683. Average ST $30 USD.

Philippines 133rd in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $142. Average ST $17 USD.

Hong Kong 28th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $1353. Average ST $33 USD.

Does that seem right to you?

This place seems to be totally skewed on prices, probably largely because of the dollarized economy. I pay more for coffee and ST here than I do in Philippines or Thailand. From what people have told me, rent here for a Western style apartment is double what it costs for a new condo unit in the Philippines. Heading to the airport now to check out Bangkok. Want to get some enjoyment on my holiday. Enjoy your overpriced ST's and lack of sidewalks my friend.

All in good fun of course. The value just isn't there for me. I'll chalk it up to experience. Thanks for the help from those who offered.[/QUOTE]You're right that the prices haven't gotten too high in PP. Especially considering the city itself isn't an attraction.

I think it's a spillover effect from Thailand. Most tourists in PP flew in from Bangkok. Girls there cost about $75 / ST from gogos and MPs, so when you can get girls for half that in PP it seems like a bargain.

The prices asked at the bars on 102 and 136 are ridiculous $40 or 50 for ST. I never pay that and rarely visit those places.

The freelancers are much more reasonable. $20 or $25 LT for a nice girl you're attracted to seems like a good deal, and it's one I've partaken in frequently as a result.


I choose not to live there because the apartment prices are way too high. You can get furnished condos in the Philippines or thailand for cheaper than you'd pay for a shithole in PP.

Thanks guy for all the updates.

L fly into PP from Bangkok this Sunday and would like a few hints from readers out there.

L haven't booked a hotel and was wondering which girlfriendly hotel is near the action as l want to hit the ground running. L am interested in a secure hotel2-3 stars $40 beint themaximum l would like to pay a night.

L have gone through the posts and would like a hint on the best route for barhopping l can make as l am in pp for only one night befor heading to Seam reap.

You can PM me or reply in the thread.

Thanks in advance.

Any guys in town then can PM and we can meet up for a barhop. The last tile l was in PP was 2004

Supply and demand only factors into prostitution that does not occur in areas heavily traversed by tourists. By that I mean that the average tourist will have no problem dropping $200 in BKK for sex, although the price should be closer to $60. For a real world example, think about the over-priced items that are in all tourists destinations.

I found that to get a reasonable p4p price in Cambodia you need to: get a freelancer, be prepared to buy a drink chat then go back the next night, get friendly with one of the other girls who will advocate for you or cross your fingers and hope.

So why the high prices?

At Horny and one of the other bars I went to the girls each received a salary. It was not a lot, but it was more than enough to sustain them given the local cost of living and their lifestyle. They were also not forced by management to fuck. I'm not sure if it is still widely the case, but I was told that in BKK and Pattaya it was once pro-forma for the girls to have to pull in a certain amount in lady drinks and bar fines per week or they would owe the bar. I was also told that many bars did not let women refuse a customer. Those sorts of conditions mean that workers have to fuck, which means the customer has a bit of leverage in the price. If most PP bars are like the two I mentioned, the girls can hold on until they get the price they want. At Horny, there was a girl who had only been barfined I think twice in 6 months and she did not want to drop her price below $40 and ST or LT she only wanted to have sex once.

You all may want to ask if the girls get a salary before asking about the ST / LT price. If they have no salary there will come a time when they have no choice but to deal. For example, there are deals to be had in Cyrcee because at least when I was there last I was told that they get no salary. Not counting the BF you can get the girls for 30-40LT and maybe less if you are a repeat customer for them. When I was there in March one of the girls who works in 2s first offered me 2 girls LT for 90 then 80 then 60 and I later found out that neither had been barfined in 3 weeks. Things could be different now, but from what I saw the only chick who seemed to be in high demand was the one who took it up the butt. The rest stand there hoping most nights. There's also nothing wrong with asking the bartender who never gets barfined or how often a particular girl is barfined.

Another thing affecting the cost is the USD. Many SEA business people are fairly ignorant of western ideas of capitalism. The idea of things like loss leaders, pricing for a local market and so on are largely foreign to them. That said, most of them probably throw out numbers like $50 because it is "big money" for them, but seems like "small money" for most foreigners. Kind of like how some freelancers in Vientiane charge 12000 kip ($15USD) for LT but others will ask for 2500 THB (70USD?) if they think you are on a border run because that is what men pay in Thailand.

If you want bar girls for a reasonable price then be prepared to put some work in or try a different approach than walking up to the prettiest one and saying how much. Your goals are to get the girl and at least one other girl to think you are nice and to soften your main girl up. This means that you will probably walk away with nothing at least the first night. One really good thing to do is to get one of the other girls to advocate for you. I once bought a girl a drink because she was nice and spoke okay English. I then told her point blank that I was not into her. Instead of getting pissy she told me to point out the girl I liked. She then called the girl over, introduced us and stayed through the negotiations. Initially the girl wanted something ridiculous but the first girl talked her pretty far down. One subtle thing that is lost on many mongers is that a ton of women working in SEA bars do not actually consider themselves to be prostitutes, more opportunists. Because of that distinction you cannot approach them all by immediately asking how much. Sometimes you have to say you like them and want to take them home then give them the opportunity to bring up money.

I found the Cambodians to be far less hardened than the chicks at agogos and some bars in BKK. You might have to work a bit harder for some of the Cambodians but I found that many of them are worth it. One guy put it to me like this. When he was in Thailand 20 years ago all the bar girls wanted to get married to a foreigner so if you could get them to like you or think you were a nice guy, you could get away with murder. Now many Thai chicks just want cash. In Cambodia some of them seem to want a nice guy and not all the money they can get, so if they like you then all bets are off.

Someone mentioned spots for locals and I would advise that most members stay away from there. Many local men look for a different type of sexual gratification that the average foreigner. You may go to a local brothel and the girl may go for $5 for a quick fuck, but she may just spread her legs and close her eyes for the whole time. Or worse, you may realize that she is pretty much a daily mattress. I was in whatever town has the bamboo bridge and my motodriver would not shut up until I let him take me to the local brothels. When we found one that would take a black guy so I went in the room to do my thing. It was only $7, but there were no less than 20 condom wrappers on the floor and my guess would be they were all from that day.

@Joe Looking: I couldn't have put that better. Very well said. And that is exactly why I like Cambodia over Thailand.

Joe's report has been put in the reports of distinction thread by myself. This is exactly how I felt about PP. And looking back on it I got the great GFE I got because I didn't take the girl the first day and played a bit hard to get.

I am planning to be in PP at the end of the year for a bit longer this time. Only 2 days in Pattaya and the rest drinking cheap beer and hanging out with some people I met last time. Might get over to Siam Reap. See how it goes.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1323411]Supply and demand only factors into prostitution that does not occur in areas heavily traversed by tourists. By that I mean that the average tourist will have no problem dropping $200 in BKK for sex, although the price should be closer to $60. For a real world example, think about the over-priced items that are in all tourists destinations.

I found that to get a reasonable p4p price in Cambodia you need to: get a freelancer, be prepared to buy a drink chat then go back the next night, get friendly with one of the other girls who will advocate for you or cross your fingers and hope.[/QUOTE]Thanks Joe. You hit the nail right on the head. In the last few days I have been combing through your reports on Nha Trang and HCMC getting for my Vietnam trip. You are really teaching me some things brother. And big ups to Hatguy for adding this report to the ROD thread.

[QUOTE=Tmat 4636; 1322944]Thanks guy for all the updates.

L fly into PP from Bangkok this Sunday and would like a few hints from readers out there.

L haven't booked a hotel and was wondering which girlfriendly hotel is near the action as l want to hit the ground running. L am interested in a secure hotel2-3 stars $40 beint themaximum l would like to pay a night.

L have gone through the posts and would like a hint on the best route for barhopping l can make as l am in pp for only one night befor heading to Seam reap.

You can PM me or reply in the thread.

Thanks in advance.

Any guys in town then can PM and we can meet up for a barhop. The last tile l was in PP was 2004[/QUOTE]I would suggest you book an hotel before you travel if only for the first night. Old soldiers will always tell you to secure your pit first. Otherwise you will be hassled by taxis and tuk tuk drivers at the Airport. Most hotels other than the top 5 star hotels are gf. More

So if you book a double room. You can always ask outright when you book; the hotels are used to being asked.

Walk down the river font, Sisoweth Quay and the streets off it will yield more opportunities than you can manage.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1323411]Someone mentioned spots for locals and I would advise that most members stay away from there. Many local men look for a different type of sexual gratification that the average foreigner. You may go to a local brothel and the girl may go for $5 for a quick fuck, but she may just spread her legs and close her eyes for the whole time. Or worse, you may realize that she is pretty much a daily mattress. I was in whatever town has the bamboo bridge and my motodriver would not shut up until I let him take me to the local brothels. When we found one that would take a black guy so I went in the room to do my thing. It was only $7, but there were no less than 20 condom wrappers on the floor and my guess would be they were all from that day.[/QUOTE]These places really should be avoided, period. There's something much more important than our lack of comfort that is the issue in these places. These kinds of for-locals brothels are normally stocked with girls who are in debt bondage, or what the UN and most mainstream media call sex slavery. Typical story is that a daughter is handed over by a father who foolishly accrued a large gambling debt, this kind of thing. Another is that false job offers were made, and the reality instead turned out to be this place. There are other reasons to avoid, which can't really be discussed, but the gist is that you could easily put yourself at risk of ending up in a Cambodian prison, or else one in your own country. These places are bad, bad news.

[QUOTE=Tmat 4636; 1322944]L fly into PP from Bangkok this Sunday and would like a few hints from readers out there.

L haven't booked a hotel and was wondering which girlfriendly hotel is near the action as l want to hit the ground running. L am interested in a secure hotel2-3 stars $40 beint themaximum l would like to pay a night.

L have gone through the posts and would like a hint on the best route for barhopping l can make as l am in pp for only one night befor heading to Seam reap.

/QUOTE]Who is L? ;.)

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1323411]It was only $7, but there were no less than 20 condom wrappers on the floor and my guess would be they were all from that day.[/QUOTE]Surprise for me, that the locals use condom. The few times I went to such places it was BB all the time.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1325052]Surprise for me, that the locals use condom. The few times I went to such places it was BB all the time.

Cheers![/QUOTE]The choice of whether to use condoms or not in places that don't require it is yours to make. Personally I think it's crazy not to use them here in Cambodia. HIV drugs are so good these days that HIV-positive girls often don't look any different to HIV negative girls. Sure you still see scary thin, worried looking girls, but there are many healthy looking girls who may be HIV positive. There was a discussion on another forum where it was claimed that a guy selling HIV test kits a few years ago offered to test all the girls at Cyrcee for free, and 20% of them were positive. I can't verify this, but it's a scary thought.

"I think it's a spillover effect from Thailand. Most tourists in PP flew in from Bangkok."

Its more than a tourist effect. Its also cultural and national pride. Living in Thailand and having mongered in PP for 15 years, I am well aware
of the animosity and jealousy between Cambodian and Thai women. I have a Thai wife who refuses to go to Cambodia for a holiday. My advice to mongerers seeking the going rate for ST / LT in PP is to never, ever mention that you live in, or have just come from holidaying in Thailand. Cambodians are just as proud as the Thais, and the working girls of PP know exactly how much punters are paying in BKK, Pattaya etc. Guaranteed you tell a Cambodian girl you have just come from Thailand,
its the Thai price or more you will pay. In their Asian way of thinking, to accept less money than the Thai girls is to admit that they are a lesser race than the Thais. Something they will never do. To this day, unless there are girls that know me in the bars / clubs, I still play the dumb newbie and get treated like one (lets face it, the girls pay alot more attention to newbies than regular punters) , with the knowledge and experience behind me to know when they are trying to rip me off.

On the topic of the cheapest, young good looking girls in SE Asia, I have found Vientiane to be the best value. 20USD LT no probs. Give it a try if PP isn't for you.

[QUOTE=Anzac; 1325521]"I think it's a spillover effect from Thailand. Most tourists in PP flew in from Bangkok."

Its more than a tourist effect. Its also cultural and national pride. Living in Thailand and having mongered in PP for 15 years, I am well aware.

Of the animosity and jealousy between Cambodian and Thai women. I have a Thai wife who refuses to go to Cambodia for a holiday. My advice to mongerers seeking the going rate for ST / LT in PP is to never, ever mention that you live in, or have just come from holidaying in Thailand. Cambodians are just as proud as the Thais, and the working girls of PP know exactly how much punters are paying in BKK, Pattaya etc. Guaranteed you tell a Cambodian girl you have just come from Thailand,

Its the Thai price or more you will pay. In their Asian way of thinking, to accept less money than the Thai girls is to admit that they are a lesser race than the Thais. Something they will never do. To this day, unless there are girls that know me in the bars / clubs, I still play the dumb newbie and get treated like one (lets face it, the girls pay alot more attention to newbies than regular punters) , with the knowledge and experience behind me to know when they are trying to rip me off.

On the topic of the cheapest, young good looking girls in SE Asia, I have found Vientiane to be the best value. 20USD LT no probs. Give it a try if PP isn't for you.[/QUOTE]What a load of horseshit! (except the last paragraph, never been to Laos so can't comment)

I've been to PP over 20 times in the last 3 years and have never paid more than $20 ST/$30 LT and I consider those prices fair.

All the girls I've been with know where I live (Bangkok) , as it is usually the first or second question they ask me. It makes absolutely no difference where you come from, the majority of working girls in PP wouldn't have a clue what the going prices are in Bangkok.

Regarding your comments that the girls pay more attention to newbies, again I beg to differ. The regular punters who live in PP or visit on a regular basis are their bread and butter. The girls need these customers more to keep things ticking over when there's a shortage of tourists in town, so they look after them very well.

Yeah I disagree too.

I always tell Khmer girls that I live in Thailand and it's no big problem. They never try to demand Thai prices.

The only girls who try to charge me $40-50 are girls who think I'm a dumb tourist.

And only the hardened sharks go after the newbies. I see plenty of newbie tourist looking guys getting no attention because they look clueless like they don't even know what a working girl does.

A lot of the best girls go for the guys who are already known to be nice.

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1325701]What a load of horseshit! (except the last paragraph, never been to Laos so can't comment)

I've been to PP over 20 times in the last 3 years and have never paid more than $20 ST/$30 LT and I consider those prices fair.

Leftfield, you are entitled to your opinion, as everyone is. My advice and observations are based on 15 years of mongering in PP. But then again, if you consider yourelf the infinite wisdom on such things after 3 years, who am I to argue.

[QUOTE=Anzac;1325521]On the topic of the cheapest, young good looking girls in SE Asia, I have found Vientiane to be the best value. 20USD LT no probs. Give it a try if PP isn't for you.[/QUOTE]20USD is no where near the norm in Vientiane. That was how much I paid 20-25 USD ST in the karaokes and disco pick ups back in the early 90's when I first discovered Vientiane. The average now in Vientiane from karaoke bars, expect to pay minimum 50USD up, for freelancers, expect to pay at 35 USD or 1000 baht for a medium doable girl, for a cutie freelancer, believe me, the Lao girls know if they are cute or not by now, always want around 50 USD up. Of course the price can fluctuate 5-10 USD depends on the demand and supply of that time. But 20 USD for a good looker all night in Vientiane, well, she must like you so much to give you 30 USD discount. It's a market economy, very unfortunately the demand has spoiled the supply. BTW, the cheapest sex in Vientiane besides the unattractive freelancers, is the hotel brothels, which also cost 1200 bahts or 40 USD ST room included. Vientiane is definitely more expensive than PP.

[QUOTE=Anzac;1325910]Leftfield, you are entitled to your opinion, as everyone is. My advice and observations are based on 15 years of mongering in PP. But then again, if you consider yourelf the infinite wisdom on such things after 3 years, who am I to argue.[/QUOTE]I've countered your (crap) observations and all you can come up with is the old "I've mongered in PP for 15 years compared to your 3 years" chessnut.

How about addressing my points?

Take all the time you need, looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1326085]I've countered your (crap) observations and all you can come up with is the old "I've mongered in PP for 15 years compared to your 3 years" chessnut.

How about addressing my points?

Take all the time you need, looking forward to hearing your thoughts.[/QUOTE]In addition I'd say at the pace things change any experience older that 1-2 years is pretty much useless.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1325843]A lot of the best girls go for the guys who are already known to be nice.[/QUOTE]Another so very true. In being a regular, though new, by my third evening at Martinis, more girls would smile and approach me than on the first couple of evenings. When I asked them why, I'd get answers along the lines of "you smile and XYZ says you're nice".

From past countries experiences, if you want a better time, bar hop only the first evening or two, but then start sticking with just a couple of places and cultivate mini-relationships with the girls. In the long run, you'll have a much better time.

Despite all of the recent complaints about PP, I really had a great time and I consider PP one of the top places I've been during my world travels. Another top favorite comes from spending time in the Russian country side with WGs there.

[QUOTE=Gone Around;1326128]From past countries experiences, if you want a better time, bar hop only the first evening or two, but then start sticking with just a couple of places and cultivate mini-relationships with the girls. In the long run, you'll have a much better time.[/QUOTE]Excellent advice. I have stayed in PP a number of times (at the Bourganvillier in response to any un-asked questions) and have always stuck to the pattern of bar hopping (choosing bars far enough apart so the local jungle drums don't get a chance to compare notes) , being polite and investing in a few lady drinks, and then focussing in on two or three bars for the next few days.

Trouble is that even experienced mongers feel the need to dive straight in when they get to a new source f different pusst

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1325701]What a load of horseshit! (except the last paragraph, never been to Laos so can't comment)

I've been to PP over 20 times in the last 3 years and have never paid more than $20 ST/$30 LT and I consider those prices fair.

All the girls I've been with know where I live (Bangkok) , as it is usually the first or second question they ask me. It makes absolutely no difference where you come from, the majority of working girls in PP wouldn't have a clue what the going prices are in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I second that. Just to blow more holes... I live in Thailand and the only time I have ever been to PP was last March, so I was a newbie. I paid $15 for ST with a Walkabout chick and no more than $28 for LT with HOD chicks. Just to be fair, the hot Vietnamese chick in Martini's did want $40 for LT, but I didn't let her come with me and only secured her phone number just in case, because I wanted to see what HOD had on offer again.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1326316]I second that. Just to blow more holes. I live in Thailand and the only time I have ever been to PP was last March, so I was a newbie. I paid $15 for ST with a Walkabout chick and no more than $28 for LT with HOD chicks. Just to be fair, the hot Vietnamese chick in Martini's did want $40 for LT, but I didn't let her come with me and only secured her phone number just in case, because I wanted to see what HOD had on offer again.[/QUOTE]I will be visiting PP, SR and S'ville in November. I plan to monger in all three places. My preference is for ST. During my trip I will report back bot with prices asked and prices paid. The information should be useful for the rest of of the tourist season.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470;1326321]I will be visiting PP, SR and S'ville in November. I plan to monger in all three places. My preference is for ST. During my trip I will report back bot with prices asked and prices paid. The information should be useful for the rest of of the tourist season.[/QUOTE]Try taking the initiative on prices. Instead of asking how much for ST, tell them what you will pay.

For example a conversation at Walkabout, after exchanging pleasantries and you deciding that you want the girl, might go like this.

You: I want short time. $10.

Girl: Ohh. $20?

You: $10.

Girl: OK, I go with you for $15.

At this point you can decide that $15 is acceptable, or keep pushing.

You: $10.

Girl: please. $15, I give you good time, good boom boom.

You: $10.

Girl: OK $10. But maybe you give me tip if I boom boom good? (laughs)

You: Maybe.

I've had this conversation many times in both freelance bars and hostess bars, with good success. Your starting price in the hostess bars usually has to be $5 higher and you're up for the $7-10 barfine as well.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1326429]You: I want short time. $10.

Girl: Ohh. $20?

You: $10.

Girl: OK, I go with you for $15.

At this point you can decide that $15 is acceptable, or keep pushing.

You: $10.

Girl: please. $15, I give you good time, good boom boom.

You: $10.

Girl: OK $10. But maybe you give me tip if I boom boom good? (laughs)

You: Maybe.[/QUOTE]Pretty good advice here. Be reasonable in what you're offering and stick with it.

If the gal comes down to it, more than likely you'll have a good time. If not, she was only there for the money and wouldn't have been much better than a cold fish lay. Ick.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1326316]I second that. Just to blow more holes. I live in Thailand and the only time I have ever been to PP was last March, so I was a newbie. I paid $15 for ST with a Walkabout chick and no more than $28 for LT with HOD chicks. Just to be fair, the hot Vietnamese chick in Martini's did want $40 for LT, but I didn't let her come with me and only secured her phone number just in case, because I wanted to see what HOD had on offer again.[/QUOTE]Where, what the heck is HOD?

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1326429]Try taking the initiative on prices. Instead of asking how much for ST, tell them what you will pay.

For example a conversation at Walkabout, after exchanging pleasantries and you deciding that you want the girl, might go like this.

You: I want short time. $10.

Girl: Ohh. $20?

You: $10.

Girl: OK, I go with you for $15.

At this point you can decide that $15 is acceptable, or keep pushing.

You: $10.

Girl: please. $15, I give you good time, good boom boom.

You: $10.

Girl: OK $10. But maybe you give me tip if I boom boom good? (laughs)

You: Maybe.

I've had this conversation many times in both freelance bars and hostess bars, with good success. Your starting price in the hostess bars usually has to be $5 higher and you're up for the $7-10 barfine as well.[/QUOTE]Exactly what I suggested! Price asked and price paid implies bargaining!

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1326158]Excellent advice. I have stayed in PP a number of times (at the Bourganvillier in response to any un-asked questions) and have always stuck to the pattern of bar hopping (choosing bars far enough apart so the local jungle drums don't get a chance to compare notes) , being polite and investing in a few lady drinks, and then focussing in on two or three bars for the next few days.

Trouble is that even experienced mongers feel the need to dive straight in when they get to a new source f different pusst[/QUOTE]Bourganvillier looks great, but my gosh, the prices. I get nice non-GF places to stay for 2-3 nights for those prices and book a decent $ 10. $ 15 short- or long-term hotel by whatever spot I'm picking up in. Hmm. With the combined prices though, I should upgrade my main place to nice GF hotel and stop the cheapo on the side. I partially do it to protect my stuff and help keep ST to ST.

Might as well ask, in keeping to $ 30 to $ 40 a night for a hotel or villa, that's GF and away from the riverfront, what do you recommend?

Lastly, if I'm really antsy before going to the bars, I go get a massage with a HE and then I'm calmer before the real shopping. As a bonus, I get a little extra hang time with the girl from not being so tense.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470;1326549]Exactly what I suggested! Price asked and price paid implies bargaining![/QUOTE]Yes, bargaining is of course essential. My point is to TELL them what you will pay, not ASK them. Most guys ask the girl "How much for short time?" This means the girl can ask a high price first off and may not want to drop her price too far.

By telling her your price first, it puts her on the back foot and she is negotiating in your ball park rather than hers.

It can make a big difference. In some hostess bars a girl might try a ridiculous first asking price of $40-50 for short time. You are then negotiating down from a high starting point. If you say up front "I want short time $15", they have to try to negotiate up from your low price, and they are highly unlikely to reply "No, $50"

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1326684]Yes, bargaining is of course essential. My point is to TELL them what you will pay, not ASK them. Most guys ask the girl "How much for short time?" This means the girl can ask a high price first off and may not want to drop her price too far.

By telling her your price first, it puts her on the back foot and she is negotiating in your ball park rather than hers.

It can make a big difference. In some hostess bars a girl might try a ridiculous first asking price of $40-50 for short time. You are then negotiating down from a high starting point. If you say up front "I want short time $15", they have to try to negotiate up from your low price, and they are highly unlikely to reply "No, $50"[/QUOTE]Never ask 'how much? ' Time was when price was never discussed and the WG was happy with $10-$15 plus, possibly breakfast in the morning or $5 for a taxi (knowing full well she would take the bus for 50 cents)

But you echo my approach,"I have $15 to spend." I have never had a counter offer of over $35 and usually in the $25-$30 range with $20-$25 being the closing price.

[QUOTE=Gone Around;1326548]Where, what the heck is HOD?[/QUOTE]I said I would write about HOD and Martini's in a separate report when I left PP back in March but evidently I never got around to it. I don't really have time now, but for me and my taste HOD was the best thing going in PP. It is located 1 block and across the street from Walkabout. It is a disco that is set up like the foyer / living room of a mansion (see pics) with the chandelier and stairs. The drinks were cheap, like $3 or $3. 50 so I did not mind buying for a girl I was interested in. I hung out around the bar on the ground floor or in the chair right at the top of the steps. There were many locals and gay guys who it seemed were just hanging out and not intending to go with a barang. I didn't discuss any prices with chicks before we left together. I just gave the first one $22 and the second one I gave $28. I gave the day time security guy $2 to let me go in and take pictures.

Interested stuff regarding pricing and more in Cambo bars:

"Dr Heidi Hoefinger completed seven years of research on the hostess bar scene in Phnom Penh from 2003-2010. She received her PhD in Media Communications and Social Science form Goldmiths, University of London. She is the author of the upcoming book Sex, Love and Money in Cambodia (Routledge. 2013).

'Some girls make $60 a month; I spend $1, 000 a month, ' Trang proudly stated as she sipped from her chocolate Martini while relaxing in a Phnom Penh hostess bar. As if to emphasize the point, the sparkling diamond rings on her fingers were complemented by two diamond studs encrusted in her teeth. Trang, married to a British doctor, is considered a 'success' story – someone whom many other bar girls (a self-referential term) admire. This is not only because of her spending power and prestige, but also the financial and emotional support she provides to the younger, less experienced girls, whom she calls her 'sisters'.

"Although every woman in this much-maligned industry has her own unique life history, seven years of in-depth research into the hostess bar scene in Phnom Penh has revealed something of a common story. It is one that revolves around family obligation, curiosity, and desires for adventure, love and future security."

A lot more: [url]http://americanexpatchiangmai.com/a-womans-work-professional-girlfriends-and-bar-girls-in-phnom-penh/[/url]#more-1980

To blow some more holes in the horse shit, many Cambodian people view Thai people in a positive light, and though anti-Cambodian prejudice definitely exists in Thailand it's nothing like, say, the racism against Haitians in the Dominican Republic or Central Americans in America. I have plenty of Thai friends who have nothing bad to say about Cambodians at all (more than once I've heard "they have big breasts!").

[quote=anzac; 1325521]"i think it's a spillover effect from thailand. most tourists in pp flew in from bangkok."

its more than a tourist effect. its also cultural and national pride. living in thailand and having mongered in pp for 15 years, i am well aware.

of the animosity and jealousy between cambodian and thai women. i have a thai wife who refuses to go to cambodia for a holiday. my advice to mongerers seeking the going rate for st / lt in pp is to never, ever mention that you live in, or have just come from holidaying in thailand. cambodians are just as proud as the thais, and the working girls of pp know exactly how much punters are paying in bkk, pattaya etc. guaranteed you tell a cambodian girl you have just come from thailand,

its the thai price or more you will pay. in their asian way of thinking, to accept less money than the thai girls is to admit that they are a lesser race than the thais. something they will never do. to this day, unless there are girls that know me in the bars / clubs, i still play the dumb newbie and get treated like one (lets face it, the girls pay alot more attention to newbies than regular punters) , with the knowledge and experience behind me to know when they are trying to rip me off.

on the topic of the cheapest, young good looking girls in se asia, i have found vientiane to be the best value. 20usd lt no probs. give it a try if pp isn't for you.[/quote]i can vouch for your vientiane comment, well at least in regards to freelancers. the karaoke rate is higher because of the customers that go to those types of places. if you got to bor pen yang or any of the 2 or 3 popular night clubs you can easily grab a girl for 100, 000-250, 000kip with about 140, 000 kip being what i generally paid the girls i really liked on my last trip. on my first trip i got pretty much raped because many of the girls do try to charge prices close to their thai neighbors because of the number of guys on visa runs, in fact it is not out of the ordinary for many of the women to tell you a price in baht.

i don't recall anyone in cambodia every mentioning a thai price to me but it does seem possible that they would know the prices in thailand. i say this because for whatever reason many men seem to think it is okay to tell the women what they pay for sex in different countries. i once saw a guy tell a khmer girl that he was glad he came to cambodia because he was going broke paying thai chicks 1500 baht for st. anzac's statement about the animosity / inferiority complex is also true. tell a cambodian chick she looks chinese and she will probably love you for life. tell the wrong thai chick she looks cambodian and she might try to fight you over it.

On a short holiday and a few months back I posted a question on here about taking two Khmer girls out for a threesome, always targeted Le Cycree as the sure fire place that I could get lucky! Even though I was told here by other regular PP mongers that only the Viets were into it here is what I found.

Walked in about 11 pm and was absolutely swamped by about five girls- there looked to be close to 20 to choose from so I guess it was a slow night? Ended up weeding a few of the uglies away and was left with 2 girls who went by the names of Annie and Anat. Both Khmer with standard tight fit bodies for 23 or 24 year olds. There were all over me, hands and tongues everywhere-then the talk of threesome came up and the girls gave me a sneak preview on the bar of what would be on show, inside panty playing with each other and tits out the top of the dress and nipple sucking! It was pretty hot and by this time I was ready to get then across the street to the shitty guesthouse. Damage was $20 per girl plus the bf, one beer and the $5 for the room. The fun in the room was very good- the girl on girl stuff was pretty good, I mean, I know these girls aren't really into it other than for the money but I was wanting a Khmer threesome and I got it do no complaints. In Sihanouville at the moment, heady back to PP tomorrow and if I can get away from the missus again think I might head back to Le Cycree for sure.

Just read on a Khmer expat forum that apparently the infamous Sophie's bar has re-opened.

Same location as before, it's had a bit of a makeover upstairs.

Can any PP residents confirm this rumour?

[QUOTE=DingoD;1328847]It was pretty hot and by this time I was ready to get then across the street to the shitty guesthouse. Damage was $20 per girl plus the bf, one beer and the $5 for the room.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Can you bar fine these girls to take them to the hotel when you stay?

Cheers!

Yes you can bar fine and take back to your own hotel-obviously you need to know that your hotel is girl friendly and additionally make sure they are multi-girl friendly!

Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Joyra; 1329588]Hi,

Can you bar fine these girls to take them to the hotel when you stay?

Cheers![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Joyra; 1329588]Hi,

Can you bar fine these girls to take them to the hotel when you stay?

Cheers![/QUOTE]Yes. Just make sure they bring their identity cards as some look very young. Probably about $20-30 all night. Plus the $7 LT barfine and $3 lady drink. Some of the more popular girls may not want long time as they can make more with two or three short times in a night.

[QUOTE=DingoD;1328847]On a short holiday and a few months back I posted a question on here about taking two Khmer girls out for a threesome, always targeted Le Cycree as the sure fire place that I could get lucky! Even though I was told here by other regular PP mongers that only the Viets were into it here is what I found.[/QUOTE]I can confirm that too. My wing man did it 2-3 times last May from the same bar and identical prices. All times with the same girls because he liked their performance a lot. Don't know if we are talking for the same girs of your experience though.

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1329557]Just read on a Khmer expat forum that apparently the infamous Sophie's bar has re-opened.

Same location as before, it's had a bit of a makeover upstairs.

Can any PP residents confirm this rumour?[/QUOTE]That's good news. I hope it turns out to be true.

[QUOTE=El Greco;1329725]That's good news. I hope it turns out to be true.[/QUOTE]And to save me walking around like a lost clown what is the location? Sophie's from what I know had been closed well before (4+ years) since I have been coming to PP.

By the way, if anyone wants some fun bars names on 104 I can provide names after a fuckibg fun night out with some local PP mates tonight?

Cheers

[QUOTE=DingoD; 1329785]And to save me walking around like a lost clown what is the location? Sophie's from what I know had been closed well before (4+ years) since I have been coming to PP.

By the way, if anyone wants some fun bars names on 104 I can provide names after a fuckibg fun night out with some local PP mates tonight?[/QUOTE]This posts highlights two points:

1. The value of any post to all punters lies in having the detail. The address of any recommended place should always be given plus directions if helpful; and

2. There are a lot of one-liner comments lacking substance. Of course details of fun bar names would be useful, particularly as I will be in PP next month.

Hope you had a great evening.

[QUOTE=DingoD;1329785]And to save me walking around like a lost clown what is the location? Sophie's from what I know had been closed well before (4+ years) since I have been coming to PP.[/QUOTE]If the info I read is correct Sophies should be on the corner of St 118 and St 53. (1 block north of the Central Market)

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1326892]Interested stuff regarding pricing and more in Cambo bars:

"Dr Heidi Hoefinger completed seven years of research on the hostess bar scene in Phnom Penh from 2003-2010. She received her PhD in Media Communications and Social Science form Goldmiths, University of London. She is the author of the upcoming book Sex, Love and Money in Cambodia (Routledge. 2013).[/QUOTE]I would be willing to take on that kind of research. But wouldn't be the same response for a man to do it.

[QUOTE=DingoD; 1329594]Yes you can bar fine and take back to your own hotel-obviously you need to know that your hotel is girl friendly and additionally make sure they are multi-girl friendly!

Happy hunting![/QUOTE]Hi, Thanks a lot. The hotel where I stay do not check any I'd nor are they bothered about the number of girls you take in into your room!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1329609]Yes. Just make sure they bring their identity cards as some look very young. Probably about $20-30 all night. Plus the $7 LT barfine and $3 lady drink. Some of the more popular girls may not want long time as they can make more with two or three short times in a night.[/QUOTE]Hi AG,

Thanks a lot. Had Viet girls earlier for 3some but would like to experience Khmers this time. Are you still in PP?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Joyra; 1329933]Hi AG,

Thanks a lot. Had Viet girls earlier for 3some but would like to experience Khmers this time. Are you still in PP?

Cheers![/QUOTE]Yes, I live in PP.

Yes Khmer threesomes are available. Easiest to arrange at Cyrcee bar, but some girls in most bars will go as a threesome. However they generally don't like to do girl-on-girl action.

[QUOTE=Joyra; 1329932]Hi, Thanks a lot. The hotel where I stay do not check any I'd nor are they bothered about the number of girls you take in into your room!

Cheers![/QUOTE]It's not so much the hotel that's the worry, it's the police. These days there are some NGO's constantly on the lookout for foreigners with young looking girls or boys with them, as part of the drive to get rid of child sex tourists. If you are seen in a tuk tuk, or entering a hotel, with a very young girl there is a small chance you will be followed and reported to the police. Some hotel staff may report you as well.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1329947]It's not so much the hotel that's the worry, it's the police. These days there are some NGO's constantly on the lookout for foreigners with young looking girls or boys with them, as part of the drive to get rid of child sex tourists. If you are seen in a tuk tuk, or entering a hotel, with a very young girl there is a small chance you will be followed and reported to the police. Some hotel staff may report you as well.[/QUOTE]Hi AG,

Thanks for suggestion.

I got your point. Usually, I stay away from very young girls as I know some of my friends who got in into problems earlier.

What I was referring to was about taking multiple girls to the room. The hotel where I stay they are least bothered about the number of girls you take to your room.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=DingoD;1329785]And to save me walking around like a lost clown what is the location? Sophie's from what I know had been closed well before (4+ years) since I have been coming to PP.[/QUOTE]Any tuk-tuk driver knows the exact location. That's how I first went there on a rainy evening for the price of one USD.

[QUOTE=El Greco;1329725]That's good news. I hope it turns out to be true.[/QUOTE]Well, we all wait with earger anticipation for the first report on the newly reopened Sophies! Have had many a good session at this fine establishment in its previous form, lets hope not too much has changed.

Is the Cardamom hotel girl friendly? Well, it is & it isn't. On the one hand, guests are welcome as long as you sign a document stating that you are responsible for any damage caused by the girl. On the other hand, they have a Child Safe policy, and require the girls to leave their ID at reception. The problem is that many PP girls either don't have an ID or don't carry their ID. Last night, my 22 yo cutie was refused entry because she didn't bring her ID. Needless to say, I was pissed off!

In short, avoid the Cardamom!

Loso

[QUOTE=Loso69; 1333424]The problem is that many PP girls either don't have an I'd or don't carry their I'd. Last night, my 22 yo cutie was refused entry because she didn't bring her I'd. Needless to say, I was pissed off!

In short, avoid the Cardamom!

Loso[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting that info. I always ask the hotel about their guest policy before I book a room. In this case it wouldn't have done any good. The fact that many of the ladies there don't have and or don't carry ID scares me. I am planning a trip there during my next Thai trip. It would have to be very obvious beyond any doubt that the lady was over 18 before I would even think of taking her without ID. My understanding is that they count their birthdays different. If she says she is 20, she is actually 19. I think I read that on another forum by guys who live there.

Few PP hotels require girls to show their ID, which explains why many PP girls can't be bothered to carry their ID, even if they have one.

A girl's age is solely determined by the year, not by the precise date. It's as if everyone was born on Jan 1. LOL If a girl was born in 1991, she'll say her age is 21. If she was born before Oct 3 (today) , she really is 21. If she was born after Oct 3, she's actually only 20 according to Western rules.

BTW, the DOB on Cambodian IDs is in Khmer script, so unless you can read Khmer, seeing her ID won't help you to determine her age!

Yesterday's girl had to borrow her friend's ID to get into the Cardamom. At least, I got to bang her bones. Will be changing hotels tomorrow!

Loso

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I'm in Phnom Penh from the 15th Oct. For about a week or ten days. Anyone else there? I like to join up with other member of the forum and organize a few parties. Taking three or four girls to the hotel and have our fun together. Anyone interessted? Just give me a note. By the way. I'm 35, normal figur, educated.

Does any of you guys living in PP have intel about Sakura Massage / Hotel? Their site is down for "maintenance" now for too long, I like to book a room and like to know what's going on. Much appreciated. PMs are very welcome.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter;1335190]Does any of you guys living in PP have intel about Sakura Massage / Hotel? Their site is down for "maintenance" now for too long, I like to book a room and like to know what's going on. Much appreciated. PMs are very welcome.[/QUOTE]I don't like the hotel as such, but the massage is 12 dollars on hour. Rest to be negociated with the girl. Go 4-5PM and at 2nd floor about 20 to 25 girls show up to choose from. Girl will quote you 35 dollar, but I think early afternoon you will get it down for FS to 20 dollar. Act like a local expat!

[QUOTE=Frankfurter;1335190]Does any of you guys living in PP have intel about Sakura Massage / Hotel? Their site is down for "maintenance" now for too long, I like to book a room and like to know what's going on. Much appreciated. PMs are very welcome.[/QUOTE]I checked on Agoda and that site advises the hotel is not taking any bookings at the moment. Maybe it is closed for renovations or whatever.

Hi,

For the people staying in PP. SInce it will be Pchum Ben, will the city be quiet, bar closed and not much choice or is it still worth to go over the weekend?

Was at 104 last night. All the bars were emptier than normal and some of them will close starting today. Others, such as Air Force and Rose Bar, will stay open. Lot of restaurants already closed today.

[QUOTE=OiOiOi; 1335687]Hi,

For the people staying in PP. SInce it will be Pchum Ben, will the city be quiet, bar closed and not much choice or is it still worth to go over the weekend?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1329947]It's not so much the hotel that's the worry, it's the police. These days there are some NGO's constantly on the lookout for foreigners with young looking girls or boys with them, as part of the drive to get rid of child sex tourists. If you are seen in a tuk tuk, or entering a hotel, with a very young girl there is a small chance you will be followed and reported to the police. Some hotel staff may report you as well.[/QUOTE]I was just browsing the forums for a few days visa run from Thailand and trying to pick a place to go, PP looked interesting until I saw this post!"Young Looking"! Some 20 year old Asian girls look totally young for their age, without seeing their I'd you can not possibly tell their age, does that mean you get reported to the police by people guessing!

I do hope guys in illegal activities get reported but how often does this get mixed up and get regular mongers into trouble? This put me off PP a bit, you guys are not bothered?

[quote=uzinuzin; 1338317]i was just browsing the forums for a few days visa run from thailand and trying to pick a place to go, pp looked interesting until i saw this post!"young looking"! some 20 year old asian girls look totally young for their age, without seeing their i'd you can not possibly tell their age, does that mean you get reported to the police by people guessing!

i do hope guys in illegal activities get reported but how often does this get mixed up and get regular mongers into trouble? this put me off pp a bit, you guys are not bothered?[/quote]there is an urban myth (sometimes unfortunately substantiated by ignorant posts) that all tourists are chasing **** wgs and that the police are hand-in-hand with ngos to trap visitors seeking young women. there is little hard evidence to support these claims.

most punters are careful; most if wgs come to their hotels have the staff check ids (and if ids are not available. no mongering.

just make certain that you are careful and you will have no problems. unless you area peadophile in which case 20 years in a cambodian jail is too short a sentence.

[QUOTE=Uzinuzin; 1338317]I was just browsing the forums for a few days visa run from Thailand and trying to pick a place to go, PP looked interesting until I saw this post!"Young Looking"! Some 20 year old Asian girls look totally young for their age, without seeing their I'd you can not possibly tell their age, does that mean you get reported to the police by people guessing!

I do hope guys in illegal activities get reported but how often does this get mixed up and get regular mongers into trouble? This put me off PP a bit, you guys are not bothered?[/QUOTE]No this is not a particular problem here. Regular mongers need not worry. Most Asian girls look younger for their age than western girls anyway, I think. It may only be an issue if you like REALLY young looking girls and you go for freelancers rather than girls from the hostess bars. The hostess bar owners are generally very careful that they don't employ under-age girls and insist on the girls having identity cards.

So don't get put off visiting Phnom Penh for a few days, you'll have a great time.

Roaming around the FL spots (Sorya, WA, Pontoon & Heart) for 12 days, I never spotted a single girl who looked as if she may be too young. Don't be paranoid! You'll only meet "young girls" if you explicitly go looking for them.

Thanks for the replies. I will book my flight and start reading the forum for a suitably located hotel. As a first timer in PP and generally hate using transport I would look for a place near the main hang-outs and in walking distance. Cheers. (I leave Phili for next time. It was a toss between the two)

[QUOTE=Uzinuzin;1338729]Thanks for the replies. I will book my flight and start reading the forum for a suitably located hotel. As a first timer in PP and generally hate using transport I would look for a place near the main hang-outs and in walking distance. Cheers. (I leave Phili for next time. It was a toss between the two)[/QUOTE]Depends what you want to pay. There area lot of cheap hotels.

However the Bougainvillier on the Quay is very pleasant and has rooms overlooking the Tonle Sep and the Mekong.

When I asked the girls for a hotel recommendation, the reply was unanimous: Blue Tongue (girl-friendly; no ID required). Non-smoking hotel, so not suitable for me.

[url]http://www.bluetonguecafe.com/[/url]

Loso

Out of the 16 girls (all freelancers; all Khmer) I banged in PP, 2 had designer stubble, while all others had a bushy pussy. If anyone's looking to open a business in PP, I suggest a waxing salon. LOL

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1338745]Depends what you want to pay. There area lot of cheap hotels.

However the Bougainvillier on the Quay is very pleasant and has rooms overlooking the Tonle Sep and the Mekong.[/QUOTE]The Bougainvillier is decidely, openly, universally NOT girl friendly. You check-in, they have a sign. You close your door in the room, the have a sign. You try to bring a girl in. They point you to the sign.

[QUOTE=Loso69; 1338919]When I asked the girls for a hotel recommendation, the reply was unanimous: Blue Tongue (girl-friendly; no I'd required). Non-smoking hotel, so not suitable for me.

[url]http://www.bluetonguecafe.com/[/url]

Loso[/QUOTE]Website looks wonderful.

I especially like the "No Smoking" bit.

Thanks for the heads-up Loso

Anyone been here before? Is it still open? How is the service?

[QUOTE=AZN Monger;1339233]Anyone been here before? Is it still open? How is the service?[/QUOTE]No it is not open. Closed some years ago. It's the type of bar best suited to Thailand. Cambodia's bars are now more conservative. No nudity, no blow jobs in the bars, very limited dancing on bartops, no obligation for the girls to be barfined. But Phnom Penh has the charm of a smaller city. And some of the girls are very hot indeed, with reasonable prices. Typically, short time $10-$30, all night $20-$50.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1339363]No it is not open. Closed some years ago.[/QUOTE]Most of us (including the guy who asked this question, I think) know it closed a few years ago, but recently in this thread it was reported that it was reopening or had reopened. I think that's what this guy is really asking about. See below:
[QUOTE=Leftfield1965;1329557]Just read on a Khmer expat forum that apparently the infamous Sophie's bar has re-opened.

Same location as before, it's had a bit of a makeover upstairs.

Can any PP residents confirm this rumour?[/QUOTE]

ello peeps, ty to all the vet mongers for the posts and informative experiences.

i want to ask about money matters. i will traveling to pp in feb for 2 weeks and was wondering? should i bring cash with me or use the atm. i've been reading a lot of posts saying us dollar is preferred. do the atm dispense dollars or riels? i first traveled to cambodia right after highschool back in 99 as a poor backpacker so i never did any mongering, because i was living off $5 / day budget. no money no honey. doh. i brought money with me but hid it in my belt where i made a slit on the inside and stuff it with cash.

so, should i bring dollars or use atm or both. oh, can anyone can recommend a good mobile sim company? i will be arriving in the late eve so the kiosks at the airport will prob be closed.

[quote=anonx69; 1339555]ello peeps, ty to all the vet mongers for the posts and informative experiences.

i want to ask about money matters. i will traveling to pp in feb for 2 weeks and was wondering? should i bring cash with me or use the atm. i've been reading a lot of posts saying us dollar is preferred. do the atm dispense dollars or riels? i first traveled to cambodia right after highschool back in 99 as a poor backpacker so i never did any mongering, because i was living off $5 / day budget. no money no honey. doh. i brought money with me but hid it in my belt where i made a slit on the inside and stuff it with cash.

so, should i bring dollars or use atm or both. oh, can anyone can recommend a good mobile sim company? i will be arriving in the late eve so the kiosks at the airport will prob be closed.[/quote]my usual practice is to bring a small wad of notes ($us) and use the atms (they are everywhere) which dispense us$. my preference is the anz atms.

[QUOTE=Loso69;1338923]Out of the 16 girls (all freelancers; all Khmer) I banged in PP, 2 had designer stubble, while all others had a bushy pussy. If anyone's looking to open a business in PP, I suggest a waxing salon. LOL[/QUOTE]Guess I don't need to bring dental floss when I go. /scratches dental floss off my "things to bring list". Go eat dinner, go eat bushy tails, complimentary flossing thrown in.

[quote=scorchin1470;1338339]there is an urban myth (sometimes unfortunately substantiated by ignorant posts) that all tourists are chasing **** wgs and that the police are hand-in-hand with ngos to trap visitors seeking young women. there is little hard evidence to support these claims.[/quote]the urban myth started wih km11, where all barang was designed as peadophile, despite it was just a minority (but a true minority, some asshole ever shooted movie with kids, largely avalaible on vcd near psar market)

peadophile didn t chase where all the tourist chase. and yes ngo chase some targeted barang, they need results to get their donation and justified their high wages.

[quote=scorchin1470;1338339]most punters are careful; most if wgs come to their hotels have the staff check ids (and if ids are not available. no mongering.[/quote]cmon scorching plenty short time hotel from 5000 riels will never asked you anything, and don t care about how old is the girl, they care ever less if she is viet.

[quote=scorchin1470;1338339]just make certain that you are careful and you will have no problems. unless you area peadophile in which case 20 years in a cambodian jail is too short a sentence.[/quote]good advice and yes 20 years is clearly too short.

Hi guys,

I'm starting to plan my trip to PP and iv read about golden house hotel and californer2 but in everything iv read it does not say if there guest friendly, so can 1 of you guys who lives there or have stayed in 1 of the hotels please let me know if there guest friendly, thanks and hope to meet some of you in person soon.

[QUOTE=Ossie; 1340406]Hi guys,

I'm starting to plan my trip to PP and iv read about golden house hotel and californer2 but in everything iv read it does not say if there guest friendly, so can 1 of you guys who lives there or have stayed in 1 of the hotels please let me know if there guest friendly, thanks and hope to meet some of you in person soon.[/QUOTE]I don't know the golden house hotel, but California 2 is definitely girl-friendly. Just rather a long 'walk of shame' past the cute bar staff (some of whom are also available after their shifts) and the bar patrons. I've strolled in with two girls on a couple of occasions with no hassles whatsoever. Great place. 24 hour bar and food. Nice rooms, though most without windows. It's also a very short walk to the Street 104 bars.

[QUOTE=Loso69;1338923]Out of the 16 girls (all freelancers; all Khmer) I banged in PP, 2 had designer stubble, while all others had a bushy pussy. If anyone's looking to open a business in PP, I suggest a waxing salon. LOL[/QUOTE]Just some facts, price at the moment is from 30. 40dol + barfine 7-10dol, one month salary at the fabric in about 71 dol / month, so the girls made more then half monthly salary in one our short time, ofcourse girls choise to be freelancers instead of normal work, so mongers keep the prices low.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1327896]I say this because for whatever reason many men seem to think it is okay to tell the women what they pay for sex in different countries. I once saw a guy tell a Khmer girl that he was glad he came to Cambodia because he was going broke paying Thai chicks 1500 baht for ST.[/QUOTE]Some wise words here.

Hard to think with both heads at the same time. I'll tell prices strategically, e. G. To let a girl know she's getting a good deal relative to another place I might go if I pleased.

Been in PP a few days now and reading the forum for the best places to go for girls. Went looking for the notorious Sophie's at 118 & 53 but couldn't find it. If it has indeed reopened, it's definitely not around there. Instead, I went to the nearby Cathouse, on the corner of 118 & 51, where I spent several hours with hanging out and buying drinks for one of the girls. Not super attractive, but cute. They don't barfine at Cathouse, so I had to wait until closing time (midnight) to take her out. But when it came time to talk prices, she wouldn't budge below $100! She said something about how 1 ticket was $100 and that I could pay for multiple tickets. I was expecting something more in the $25-$40 range so I tried negotiating, but she just wouldn't have it. I felt like we had a pretty good rapport, so I'm a little shocked. What's going on here? Anyone else have a similar experience?

Been in PP a few days now and reading the forum for the best places to go for girls. Went looking for the notorious Sophie's at 118 & 53 but couldn't find it. If it has indeed reopened, it's definitely not around there. Instead, I went to the nearby Cathouse, on the corner of 118 & 51, where I spent several hours with hanging out and buying drinks for one of the girls. Not super attractive, but cute. They don't barfine at Cathouse, so I had to wait until closing time (midnight) to take her out. But when it came time to talk prices, she wouldn't budge below $100! She said something about how 1 ticket was $100 and that I could pay for multiple tickets. I was expecting something more in the $25-$40 range so I tried negotiating, but she just wouldn't have it. I felt like we had a pretty good rapport, so I'm a little shocked. What's going on here? Anyone else have a similar experience?

-The Boob

[QUOTE=Booby Boob; 1341180]Been in PP a few days now and reading the forum for the best places to go for girls. Went looking for the notorious Sophie's at 118 & 53 but couldn't find it. If it has indeed reopened, it's definitely not around there. Instead, I went to the nearby Cathouse, on the corner of 118 & 51, where I spent several hours with hanging out and buying drinks for one of the girls. Not super attractive, but cute. They don't barfine at Cathouse, so I had to wait until closing time (midnight) to take her out. But when it came time to talk prices, she wouldn't budge below $100! She said something about how 1 ticket was $100 and that I could pay for multiple tickets. I was expecting something more in the $25-$40 range so I tried negotiating, but she just wouldn't have it. I felt like we had a pretty good rapport, so I'm a little shocked. What's going on here? Anyone else have a similar experience?

-The Boob[/QUOTE]I've only been to the Cathouse once and I know it's not a typical Phnom Penh hostess bar, being more along the lines of a Philippines style place. But when I went, there were the girls behind the bar (who were available but at the end of their shift, same as some of the riverside restaurants that have super cute waitresses).

But there were also girls on the outside of the bartop, same as in the standard style hostess bar. And these girls were available to go immediately.

A couple of suggestions. If you like a girl, find out early on a) if and when she will go out with you, and be) what her price will be. Be totally upfront and say "I like you a lot. I want to take you out for an hour. $30. (or $40 for the night or whatever your offer is). Or you can ask what her price is, though that will leave you less on control of the negotiations. But do all this BEFORE you have bought her several drinks. That way you don't feel disappointed and possibly angry when you've invested a lot of time and money in her only to get quoted a ridiculous price.

If you want a raw experience rather like Sophie's bar, go to Cyrcee bar on Street 49 near junction of Street 130. Nice girls who just want to fuck you for $15-20 for an hour with no hassles and reasonable enthusiasm. Or the Sorya Golden Mall on St 51 for a wide range of freelancers. For a more girlfriend type experience any of the popular hostess bars are good. Airforce, Rose bar, Smile Girl bar and Zanzi bar on St 104, Mr Butterfly, Barbados, Oasis, and 136 on or near St 130.

And for the last time... Sophie's is shut. No more. Kaput. Deceased. Full stop. Try Bangkok's several blow job bars if that's your particular thing.

[QUOTE=Ossie;1340406]iv read about golden house hotel and californer2 but in everything iv read it does not say if there guest friendly, so can 1 of you guys who lives there or have stayed in 1 of the hotels please let me know if there guest friendly,[/QUOTE]The Golden House International Hotel is definitely girl friendly. It is in the heart of Street 136.

Not sure how many girls you can take up to your room for free. I've only taken 3...:)

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1341260]I've only been to the Cathouse once and I know it's not a typical Phnom Penh hostess bar, being more along the lines of a Philippines style place. But when I went, there were the girls behind the bar (who were available but at the end of their shift, same as some of the riverside restaurants that have super cute waitresses).

But there were also girls on the outside of the bartop, same as in the standard style hostess bar. And these girls were available to go immediately.

A couple of suggestions. If you like a girl, find out early on a) if and when she will go out with you, and be) what her price will be. Be totally upfront and say "I like you a lot. I want to take you out for an hour. $30. (or $40 for the night or whatever your offer is). Or you can ask what her price is, though that will leave you less on control of the negotiations. But do all this BEFORE you have bought her several drinks. That way you don't feel disappointed and possibly angry when you've invested a lot of time and money in her only to get quoted a ridiculous price.

If you want a raw experience rather like Sophie's bar, go to Cyrcee bar on Street 49 near junction of Street 130. Nice girls who just want to fuck you for $15-20 for an hour with no hassles and reasonable enthusiasm. Or the Sorya Golden Mall on St 51 for a wide range of freelancers. For a more girlfriend type experience any of the popular hostess bars are good. Airforce, Rose bar, Smile Girl bar and Zanzi bar on St 104, Mr Butterfly, Barbados, Oasis, and 136 on or near St 130.

And for the last time. Sophie's is shut. No more. Kaput. Deceased. Full stop. Try Bangkok's several blow job bars if that's your particular thing.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the insightful advice, Aussie. And thanks for the H-bar recommendations as well. Really great info for a PP first-timer.

I don't usually mind buying girls a few drinks even if they don't go home with me. Any thoughts, though, on how to be diplomatic when multiple girl are swarming around you but you're only interested in one of them? Sometimes I don't like the hostess who's been first "assigned" to me, but it seems kind of rude to obviously blow her off for one of her "sisters."

I did make it to a couple of the bars you mentioned. Cyrcee is amazing (report forthcoming) but at most of the other places, none of the girls I liked would leave with me. These were usually the ones working behind the bar who would come out and sit with me when I expressed interest. The girls already on my side of the bar were all nice enough, but I felt like the real lookers were few and far between. Cyrcee of course being the great exception.

I'd only sought out Sophie's because I was having such a frustrating time at the regular hostess bars. Too bad I'm leaving PP today, otherwise I'd hit up a couple of your other recs. Thanks again.

The Boob

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1341349]The Golden House International Hotel is definitely girl friendly. It is in the heart of Street 136.

Not sure how many girls you can take up to your room for free. I've only taken 3.[/QUOTE]At least we know where all the girls are now, if there not in the bars, there in your room.

My First post guys.

I note Aussie guy mentions available super cute waitresses at riverside restaurants.

I lived in PP for a few years in the early 2000s, and did quite well with riverside waitresses. One in particular was Na, who worked at the bar across the road from FCC, and later moved to the restaurant in FCC. It took a lot of time, but the effort eventually paid off.

Planning a return to PP next month and am wondering which riverside restaurants now have the super hot waitresses that might be available for an after-work get together. Anybody care to share any experiences?

Pnomh Penh Monger Map.

I'm in PNH till 4. Oct and having stayed in Bali before enjoyed Barris Map.

So I prepared something similar for PNH just to figure out where the hotel should be.

Since this is my first time there the map is admittedly not as elaborated as Barris and the comments are copied from forum post – sorry did not credit the posters because it was created for personal use in the first place, but now I think it might especially be useful for firsttimers. Here is the link if Jackson agrees to publish it:

[url]https://maps.google.de/maps/ms?msid=209061563983417653699.0004c4a0d49fbb3eda6c7&msa=0[/url]

If there is any problen using, please report.

My first night easily scored without much barhopping – no hostess and can not barfine bullshit. Pretty 25 year old. 3 month in business and price up to me. She said it's quiet, so maybe a buyers market. Nevertheless treat them nice and fair, but be firm.

Have fun s

Smily59.

That is a fantastic post, I Thank you!

I will be there in early 2013 and your post is a great help, really nice work.

Thank you.

Has anyone had any success with the waitresses that work at the Riverside Bistro? I have eaten there a few times and have always thought they were super cute, but never thought about trying to shag one.

Awesome map, Smily. It'll be super helpful next time I'm back there. I'm really liking how members on this thread are so straightforward and willing to share their info. For what it's worth, here's my report from my first time mongering in PP. Being new to the city, I know I paid way too much in some cases, and I apologize in advance for contributing to any price increases you guys face in the future. Feel free to critique and let me know what I should have done / paid so I will be prepared for my next trip to PP.

Thank you all and happy hunting.

The Boob.

[B]DAYS 1 & 2: Hostess Bars (St. 104 / Candy Bar / Butterfly / Blue / Cathouse.) [/B]

Spent my first few days unsuccessfully trying to take out bartenders. Not knowing the ways things work, I just assumed everyone was available. I tend to like the more innocent-looking girls (usually the bartenders as opposed to the WGs) , but I found that a lot of them really are innocent (or expensive). Big surprise. Took a cute 20yo bartender out to dinner on my first night (with a $10 barfine) , but she wouldn't go home with me because she said she was a virgin. So after going home [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] drunk and alone 2 nights in a row, I began to wonder if I was the only person in PP not getting laid.

Frustrated and horny, I was determined to get laid, whatever the cost on Day 3.

[B]DAY 3: FL on riverside. [/B]

Walked past a pub on my way home from lunch and saw a pretty Khmer girl inside smiling at me. Went in, chit-chatted, bought her a drink. Moum says she used to be a masseuse in Siem Reap and was going back there the next day. I knew she was a WG and found it weird how she and the regular restaurant staff all seemed to get along so well. Compared to Vietnam, this is more like the bars in Danang than the hostess bars in Ho Chi Minh.

Took Moum back to my hotel with no discussion of price (big mistake). Along the way the tuk-tuk guys all smiled and talked to her, so I knew she was familiar in these parts. Back in the room, she wouldn't take off her bra, saying that she was saving her tits for a real bf."Boom-boom ok," she says.

Weirdest thing-as I'm banging her she tells me to stop thrusting because she doesn't want me to cum too soon. So I'm on top of her motionless and she starts gyrating her hips from below. This is surprisingly hot and awesome. After a while, she cums. But then after that, she just lies there, totally dead and uninterested while I get myself off. This is sort of lame.

She hangs out for a bit before asking how much I'm going to pay her. Thanks to one of AussieGuy's previous posts, I know a high-end short time is about $30, and I tell her so."I won't accept," she says. After that, we start arguing and I get pretty annoyed. I end up paying her $40 with $2 for tuk-tuk just so she'll leave.

[B]DAY 3: Bars on lower 51 (WA, Shanghai, HoD) [/B]

WA is full of WGs that aren't really my type. I end up spending way too much time at Shanghai with a 19yo cutie, knowing from the start that she won't go home with me. I don't mind too much as I sort of like the company. HoD is dead (at 9pm on a Thursday night?) and when I leave, motorbike driver offers to take me to some sort of deal where I look in a window and choose girls. I agree to go out of curiousity.

[B]DAY 3: Soul Golden City[/B]

Is a new hotel in the southern part of the city. There's KTV there too, but motorbike guy tells me not to go because it's expensive (much like VN I imagine). Instead, on the top floor, as soon as you get out of the elevator, there's this huge window that looks into a room filled with women-about 20-30 of them, sitting on risers. You point to the girl you like, and a lady walks over and holds up an LED light with the girl's number on it, and the girl comes out. $15 gets you a room and a massage. End up choosing a Viet girl who tells me it's another $50 for sex. Not knowing the rules here, I talk her down to $40.

[B]DAY 3: Cyrcee[/B]

I'm dead tired and pretty wasted from the day's adventures, but my curiosity drives me to Cyrcee. Within 5 minutes after walking into the joint, I realize that this is exactly the place I have been looking for the entire time. I'm swarmed by girls and their leader tells me to choose two. I choose one standing next to me and a shy-looking girl sitting towards the back, and buy them drinks. They're kissing me and grabbing my junk as we drink. They offer me a 3-some, but I'm so fatigued that I don't know if I'll be able to pull it off. Finally I give in. $10 barfine for both, $25 apiece is the agreed upon price.

We tuk-tuk back to my hotel and what then proceeds is one of the most amazing sexual experiences in my life. I've had 3-somes before, but neither I nor the girls I was with back then really knew what we were doing. Not so with these girls. They were amazing. Two hot Khmer chicks showering in my room? Check. Great chemistry among everyone involved? Check. DFK with one girl while the other gives you a BBBJ. And then switching? Check. DFK, mutual nipple sucking while the other one rides? Check. Girl-on-girl while I'm banging the one from behind. Oh my God CHECK!

Total damage, exactly what was stated. They hit me up for a few extra bucks to pay the tuk-tuk. Instead, I give them a little more because they were so awesome. Don't want to say how much for fear of drawing the ire of other forum members.

[B]DAY 4: Independent mini-brothel? [/B]

I wake up still horny from the experiences of the night before. So for my last morning in PP, I have a tuk-tuk kid in front of my hotel find me some $15 boom-boom. We drive north up Sisowath Quay (the big street along the river). First place he stops is some sort of garage or something where a bunch of dudes are squatting on the ground. He tells me to wait while he goes to inquire. He comes back a few minutes later to report that it's "not available." We continue north. I notice a girl with nice legs, sitting idly in front of a house / shop. So does my driver. He stops and goes to ask. A few minutes later, he's motioning for me to come over.

There are 4-5 girls to choose from. They're running some sort of drink stand / store front operation, but the girls are pretty much just sitting there doing nothing. I choose an older girl (mid 30s) that keeps smiling at me (maybe a 6/10) and make sure that her price is still $15. After that, we head to one of the tiny, Spartan rooms in the back and fuck. It's an extra $5 for [I]nyum-nyum[/I] (BBBJ) she tells me after we're both naked in bed. At first there's some miscommunication and I think that she wants me to pay her up-front. After a little back-and-forth, I take $20 out of my wallet and plan to give it to her, but she says it's ok. Love that Khmer honesty! After that, we're cool. Pretty straightforward banging-BBBJ, multiple positions. The girl is nice and there's a little chemistry, but it's certainly no GFE. Total damage $20 plus $5 (with tip) for the tuk-tuk.

I re-consider checking out of my hotel to stay an extra day just to go back to Cyrcee. But I realize that a man needs to know when to stop and save a little for the next time. Until then.

[QUOTE=Easton;1342904]Has anyone had any success with the waitresses that work at the Riverside Bistro? I have eaten there a few times and have always thought they were super cute, but never thought about trying to shag one.[/QUOTE]The Riverside Bistro waitresses are well known to expats in Phnom Penh. Their goals are to get a foreigner boyfriend and / or be paid quite a lot of money for sex. They are 'grey girls'. Girls doing a normal job but open to all sorts of offers from short one-week affairs to full girlfriend status. But you have to work on them a bit, you can't just ask them 'how much for one hour? '

That means taking them out to eat after their shift, maybe taking them to Pontoon dancing and maybe going shopping with them to Central market to buy a dress or new jeans for them. After that, you can ask if they'd like to go back to your hotel. Expect to pay $50+ a night plus all the above costs.

Their ultimate goal is to have a foreign boyfriend supporting them to the tune of $300-500 a month. Lots of them achieve this. And some run two or even three boyfriends at once. And they continue to work at the Bistro often.

[QUOTE=CamJaya; 1341922]My First post guys.

I note Aussie guy mentions available super cute waitresses at riverside restaurants.

I lived in PP for a few years in the early 2000s, and did quite well with riverside waitresses. One in particular was Na, who worked at the bar across the road from FCC, and later moved to the restaurant in FCC. It took a lot of time, but the effort eventually paid off.

Planning a return to PP next month and am wondering which riverside restaurants now have the super hot waitresses that might be available for an after-work get together. Anybody care to share any experiences?[/QUOTE]I agree with you I spent two years working in Phnom Penh and still visit for four months every year and I was surprised how many waitresses were willing if you gave it timeI would also chase some of the woman who managed various bars they are older than the waitresses and will try to palm you of with one of their girls but if you give it time and strike lucky you will have some great fucks and often free of charge.

[QUOTE=Booby Boob;1342965]HoD is dead (at 9pm on a Thursday night?)[/QUOTE]How many discos on this planet do you know that aren't dead at 9pm? You probably don't want to get there before midnight or you will be the only one there.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1343306]How many discos on this planet do you know that aren't dead at 9pm? You probably don't want to get there before midnight or you will be the only one there.[/QUOTE]Good point. My only defense is that I didn't realize it was a disco. Seeing how empty it was at the time, it just looked to me like any old chill, somewhat swanky bar. I'll try to get there later if I go next time. How's Pontoon for finding girls? To be honest, I'm not really big on the discotheques-call me old-fashioned, but if Cambodia is at all like Vietnam, then my ears will be ringing and my throat hoarse for days.

Talking about riverside waitresses, I met one in the Heart who already had a barang boyfriend. But the boyfriend was out of town, and while the cat's away, the mice will play. She was licking the sweat off my chest as we were dancing. As soon as we were in the room, she pulled my pants down, pushed me down on the bed, and started sucking my sclhong. I hadn't even showered. LOL She was downright amazing! After spending the weekend with me, she told me her boyfriend was coming back, and I wouldn't be seeing her again. And I didn't. Money matters weren't discussed in advance. She was happy with 30$ LT.

BTW, the Heart is good from 1AM onwards.

Loso

Is the Candy Bar guest house a suitable place to stay? It's only $13.

Clean? Girl friendly? Etc?

[QUOTE=Deebin5; 1343859]Is the Candy Bar guest house a suitable place to stay? It's only $13.

Clean? Girl friendly? Etc?[/QUOTE]Girl friendly. What do you think? But my advise is never monger and sleep at the same place. You limit your options. BG's at Candy Bar and any other bar / GH) don't like competition when you return with your pick-up for the night. There are many better options in the area for a few dollars more. And moreover, a hotel like Circuit or any other in Street 154 works so much better as you are not contineous in the middle of the bar scene. Just visit when you like. Everthing is just a one minute motobike ride away from you, or on walking distance.

[QUOTE=Booby Boob;1343591]How's Pontoon for finding girls? To be honest, I'm not really big on the discotheques-call me old-fashioned, but if Cambodia is at all like Vietnam, then my ears will be ringing and my throat hoarse for days.[/QUOTE]If that is the case then you really don't want to go to Pontoon. You can add head spinning to the list as well because of the flashing lights. I'm a disco guy, but I walked in and walked right out of that place.

Thanks to AussieGuy100, Riverstar and Loso69 for the information concerning the Riverside Bistro waitresses, I appreciate it.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1343019]The Riverside Bistro waitresses are well known to expats in Phnom Penh. Their goals are to get a foreigner boyfriend and / or be paid quite a lot of money for sex. They are 'grey girls'. Girls doing a normal job but open to all sorts of offers from short one-week affairs to full girlfriend status. But you have to work on them a bit, you can't just ask them 'how much for one hour? '

That means taking them out to eat after their shift, maybe taking them to Pontoon dancing and maybe going shopping with them to Central market to buy a dress or new jeans for them. After that, you can ask if they'd like to go back to your hotel. Expect to pay $50+ a night plus all the above costs.

Their ultimate goal is to have a foreign boyfriend supporting them to the tune of $300-500 a month. Lots of them achieve this. And some run two or even three boyfriends at once. And they continue to work at the Bistro often.[/QUOTE]Wow, $50 is really steep compared to the cost of p4p in Cambodia. I will offer some advice for guys looking to sleep with regular girls. Keep the first date simple if you are willing to wait a few dates to sleep with her. This means taking them for a soda or a simple meal somewhere they would normally eat. In my experience from similar countries, this really helps to separate the decent ones from the ones who hop from foreigner to foreigner looking for cash, gifts and good times. If you do want to buy them jeans, dresses and so forth from the market then it is usually best to go to the market with them for 5 or so minutes, tell them that you forgot you need to meet a friend and then leave them $10-20 and tell them to buy something to wear that night. If you stick around, there is a good chance that you will spend the entire time with her trying to get you to buy everything that catches her eye.

IMO if you want the girl who goes with any foreigner with a pulse and some cash then the price of p4p is a lot better and you experience will be better in most cases as well. Leave the expensive serial foreigner fuckers for the young guys "who never pay."

In Phnom Penh I am still looking for a decent (lounge) bar out of the P4P business where I can take a girl after having paid the BF and taking here out of the bar. Pontoon is not really my piece of cake. Who has any ideas?

[QUOTE=Titanio;1345171]In Phnom Penh I am still looking for a decent (lounge) bar out of the P4P business where I can take a girl after having paid the BF and taking here out of the bar. Pontoon is not really my piece of cake. Who has any ideas?[/QUOTE]Riverhouse Lounge

[QUOTE=Easton;1344869]Thanks to AussieGuy100, Riverstar and Loso69 for the information concerning the Riverside Bistro waitresses, I appreciate it.[/QUOTE]I did have a strange experience with a waitress from Sharky's a few years ago. I had been chasing her for some time and had met for lunch a few times and eventually she agreed to let me take her out on her evening off and at the end of the evening agreed to come back to my apartment and stay the night. It started fine with a kiss and cuddle and a little fondling followed by a shower together then I got down the the serious business giving my tongue some exercise which she loved returning the favour. I made her cum and then thinking it was time for me to dip my wick reached for a condom in my bedside drawer and that's when she kicked off she snatched the packet and throwing it across the room accused me of treating her like a taxi girl and asking why I wanted to use a condom and saying she was not like the girls in the bar she was a good girl and I didn't need to use a condom with her.

Needless to say I never consummated that relationship and after that she totally ignored me

[QUOTE=Riverstar; 1345695]I did have a strange experience with a waitress from Sharky's a few years ago. I had been chasing her for some time and had met for lunch a few times and eventually she agreed to let me take her out on her evening off and at the end of the evening agreed to come back to my apartment and stay the night. It started fine with a kiss and cuddle and a little fondling followed by a shower together then I got down the the serious business giving my tongue some exercise which she loved returning the favour. I made her cum and then thinking it was time for me to dip my wick reached for a condom in my bedside drawer and that's when she kicked off she snatched the packet and throwing it across the room accused me of treating her like a taxi girl and asking why I wanted to use a condom and saying she was not like the girls in the bar she was a good girl and I didn't need to use a condom with her.

Needless to say I never consummated that relationship and after that she totally ignored me[/QUOTE]Happens quite a bit in Phi and Thailand. But in Cambodia all the girls I had did not complain about using condoms. In China once they are with you for a while accept no condoms.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1345799]Happens quite a bit in Phi and Thailand. But in Cambodia all the girls I had did not complain about using condoms. In China once they are with you for a while accept no condoms.[/QUOTE]LOL! Current Thai GF started to ask me questions, after a few days being together for a longer period, why I had a whole box of condoms with me. Now already a few year together she sometimes still refers to that. Must be still suspicious.

[QUOTE=Pak Mike; 1232151]Popped into the 69 Bar the other night. A LOT of girls, and I think something for everyone. Linked up with a young gal fresh from the provinces and first night on the job. The usual story, a young baby back in the provinces, deserted by her husband etc.

Sharky's Friday night had quite a good band playing, but not overly crowded which I found surprising and the place seemed to empty out as the night went on. A few gals hanging around, but generally pickings were quite slim.

Had a meal at the Shanghi, and as usual a bevy of young lasses to keep you company, and most quite nice.

Have dropped into a few spas around town, mostly upmarket, for a massage. Quite good aromatherapy massages, can be very arousing, but unfortunately nothing else on offer. Would love to find a lace where I can actually get a good quality massage, plus a few extras, but haven't had any luck to-date.[/QUOTE]Could you recommend any other bars or places to hook up with girls other than 69 Bar? This whole country is new to me. I sure could use a beginners guide to figure out where to start from scratch LOL.

YG

[QUOTE=YG365; 1346906]Could you recommend any other bars or places to hook up with girls other than 69 Bar? This whole country is new to me. I sure could use a beginners guide to figure out where to start from scratch LOL.

YG[/QUOTE]I have a soft spot for the Golden Vine Bar (intersection of St 108 and St 51). Usually 10+ girls of various shapes, sizes and looks and all friendly but language may be a challenge. Mix of Viets & locals. They will indulge in a bit of discrete foreplay at the bar and are not pushy about being taken out so it does give one a bit of time to make a good choice. Have met a couple of real hotties over the years.

Sup Pak Mike,

So far from all my research, it sounds like Phnom Penh aka PP is a total shit hole and it sounds worst off then the Philippines? I really didn't think a country in Asia could be worst than the Philippines but in my head, PP looks it LOL. I love the fact that the pricing is very very cheap and the girls look more oriental compared to the Philippines. Also figured I need to hit up Pontoon and Cyrcee and now Golden Vine Bar.

If any other senior members would like to put in their 2 cents, I'd appreciate it. Also a good value hotel near all the action would be dope too! I'm now debating hard between Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur and Phnom Penh for my next trip with me never visiting any of those 3 countries yet. I've pretty much done the rest of Asia except for Indonesia.

Thanks,

YG

[QUOTE=YG365; 1346906]Could you recommend any other bars or places to hook up with girls other than 69 Bar? This whole country is new to me. I sure could use a beginners guide to figure out where to start from scratch LOL.

YG[/QUOTE]Then how about taking the time to look over the ten most recent pages of this forum? You will find many recommended bars, and even an excellent map of central Phnom Penh complete with comments on dozens of bars. There is also a lot of information on prices you can expect to pay, negotiating strategies, girl-friendly hotels, and a short list of useful khmer phrases (e.g. Neak nyum k'dor tay?. "Do you do blow jobs?").

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1347194]Then how about taking the time to look over the ten most recent pages of this forum? You will find many recommended bars, and even an excellent map of central Phnom Penh complete with comments on dozens of bars. There is also a lot of information on prices you can expect to pay, negotiating strategies, girl-friendly hotels, and a short list of useful khmer phrases (e.g. Neak nyum k'dor tay?. "Do you do blow jobs?").[/QUOTE]Do you want me to swollow as well hehehehe

Apologies for posting this in the PP thread but there have no responses are I'm hoping some of the Cambodian veterans can help me out.

I'm going to be heading to Bavet for some poker in a week and was wondering what the mongering scene was out there? I've RTFF (Other Areas) but there doesn't seem to be any information about this place. Its my first time here so places to see, current prices and any other detailed info about Bavet would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1347194]Then how about taking the time to look over the ten most recent pages of this forum? You will find many recommended bars, and even an excellent map of central Phnom Penh complete with comments on dozens of bars. There is also a lot of information on prices you can expect to pay, negotiating strategies, girl-friendly hotels, and a short list of useful khmer phrases (e.g. Neak nyum k'dor tay?. "Do you do blow jobs?").[/QUOTE]If you paid attention and read our conversation, you can clearly see that I was doing RTFF's! I'm guessing you just looked at the most recent post and assumed I didn't do any? That's the problem with the world now days. They talk or act before they think! [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

YG

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[QUOTE=YG365;1347146]Phnom Penh...I love the fact that... the girls look more oriental compared to the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Just curious as to what you mean by the females looking more "oriental" in Cambodia than those in PI?

[QUOTE=YG365; 1347146]Sup Pak Mike,

So far from all my research, it sounds like Phnom Penh aka PP is a total shit hole and it sounds worst off then the Philippines? I really didn't think a country in Asia could be worst than the Philippines but in my head, PP looks it LOL. I love the fact that the pricing is very very cheap and the girls look more oriental compared to the Philippines. Also figured I need to hit up Pontoon and Cyrcee and now Golden Vine Bar.

If any other senior members would like to put in their 2 cents, I'd appreciate it. Also a good value hotel near all the action would be dope too! I'm now debating hard between Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur and Phnom Penh for my next trip with me never visiting any of those 3 countries yet. I've pretty much done the rest of Asia except for Indonesia.

Thanks,

YG[/QUOTE]Cambodia girls are very GFE same as in Phil. Ofcourse girls generally have bigger boobs than Phi girls. But do not take the risk of fucking them without a condom. For some reason STD are prevalent in Cambodia.

Ofcourse the girls insist as well. Hotels, food, girls, drinks are very cheap. Travel or hiring a taxi etc are cheap as well. Road from Phnom Penh to Sihanaoukville is excellent. Road to Siem reap is ok in some places but they are rebuiding it. I am sure once it is completed it will be nice.

Siem reap and Sihanaoukville are not really mongering destinations. There are girls but not the same as Phnom Penh.

Once you go there either you fall in love with Cambodia or hate it and will never go there again.

For me I like Cambo girls.

[QUOTE=YG365; 1347268]If you paid attention and read our conversation, you can clearly see that I was doing RTFF's! I'm guessing you just looked at the most recent post and assumed I didn't do any? That's the problem with the world now days. They talk or act before they think! [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

YG[/QUOTE]Apologies if you have been doing lots of research in this forum already (and yes I originally only looked back a few pages to try to find your conversation) , but as I say the last ten or so pages have a wealth of information including that great mongers' map.

Apart from all the recommended bars, girl-friendly hotels, prices and general advice available there, what other information in particular were you after?

If you just want instantly available sex with beautiful asian girls at cheap to reasonable prices, head for Pattaya or Bangkok. There sex is very much a business. But I find Thailand too hard-edged and got tired of everyone trying to extract as much money from me as possible.

As for PP being a "shithole", that largely depends on your attitude and expectations. Yes it's a fairly dirty city compared to Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia, and the infrastructure and health care are many years behind most of Asia.

PP is definitely different. The hostess bar girls are not obliged to go out with you, and 10-30% of girls in the bars won't let you barfine them. Sometimes they want you to come in two or three times before they say yes. To me that's part of the fun, with you and the girl getting to know each other a bit before she agrees to go with you.

Of course there are also the freelancers at Walkabout, Sharkeys, Martini, and the Golden Sorya Mall and Cyrcee bar if you want cheaper, no fuss sex.

So for me PP offers a bit of everything, but admittedly not on the scale of the sex industry on Thailand. Horses for courses, as always.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1347505]Apologies if you have been doing lots of research in this forum already (and yes I originally only looked back a few pages to try to find your conversation) , but as I say the last ten or so pages have a wealth of information including that great mongers' map.

Apart from all the recommended bars, girl-friendly hotels, prices and general advice available there, what other information in particular were you after?

If you just want instantly available sex with beautiful asian girls at cheap to reasonable prices, head for Pattaya or Bangkok. There sex is very much a business. But I find Thailand too hard-edged and got tired of everyone trying to extract as much money from me as possible.

As for PP being a "shithole", that largely depends on your attitude and expectations. Yes it's a fairly dirty city compared to Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia, and the infrastructure and health care are many years behind most of Asia.

PP is definitely different. The hostess bar girls are not obliged to go out with you, and 10-30% of girls in the bars won't let you barfine them. Sometimes they want you to come in two or three times before they say yes. To me that's part of the fun, with you and the girl getting to know each other a bit before she agrees to go with you.

Of course there are also the freelancers at Walkabout, Sharkeys, Martini, and the Golden Sorya Mall and Cyrcee bar if you want cheaper, no fuss sex.

So for me PP offers a bit of everything, but admittedly not on the scale of the sex industry on Thailand. Horses for courses, as always.[/QUOTE]Hey,

I'm sorry being rude. These forums have been so negative lately, I just took your comments in a very negatively way. Thanks for your helpful reply and I'm looking forward to PP. I also found the map that you were talking about. It's just that it's pretty tough covering hundreds and hundreds of pages.

Thanks again,

YG

Waiting to fill in time before sampling the night clubs I paid a brief visit to Walkabout.

Regrettably it seems to be a place for expatriate losers and lousy FLs. Jist be patient and await the evening.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1347571]Waiting to fill in time before sampling the night clubs I paid a brief visit to Walkabout.

Regrettably it seems to be a place for expatriate losers and lousy FLs. Jist be patient and await the evening.[/QUOTE]It is not that bad. I agree that you will see some former expat characters over there. But quite often you can meet very lovely Viets or just sit, have your drink and see the world goes by without any hassle. And if you don't like, hop on one block to one of the bars in the Soriya Mall. PC Hotel also has a nice bar, but devastated at anytime. The Black Cat will also do, and all without any hassle from the girls, if you prefer that. But there are many more options around that area.

I've come to Cambodia about 13 times over the past 8 years. However, my last visit was two years ago. I was reluctant to come because I figured the glory days were over and prices must be higher. Having been back for over two days, I'm pleasantly surprised. Prices for hotels haven't changed, beer is cheaper and there are way more places to drink. The quality of the women hasn't changed, but admittedly, I'm slightly over paying at the moment. That s the result of coming from a more expensive country. I'll calm down soon. In short, even though I had a not so good experience with a Vietnam from Martini's last night, I can put my full support behind recommending Cambodia as a great place for value.

somewhere way back is a post saying that the bouganvillier is not gf.

bollocks.

i e-mailed them way back and have an e-mail reply saying that the hotel is gf;

there was only one notice, in the room, basically saying 'no **** ladies; and.

the day i checked out a guest came downstairs to reception with two working girls. he went to breakfast after reception had checked all was ok and gave the girls their ids back.

pity inaccurate information is posted by those who do not check.

[quote=scorchin1470; 1348019]somewhere way back is a post saying that the bouganvillier is not gf.

bollocks.

i e-mailed them way back and have an e-mail reply saying that the hotel is gf;

there was only one notice, in the room, basically saying 'no **** ladies; and.

the day i checked out a guest came downstairs to reception with two working girls. he went to breakfast after reception had checked all was ok and gave the girls their ids back.

pity inaccurate information is posted by those who do not check.[/quote]i've stayed there. i've seen girls turned away who were clearly not ****. i've inquired at the front desk and have been told no guests.

pity some can't understand that different front desk workers can give different results. it is not at all uncommon in kh to have discordant policy enforcement.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1347571]Waiting to fill in time before sampling the night clubs I paid a brief visit to Walkabout.

Regrettably it seems to be a place for expatriate losers and lousy FLs. Jist be patient and await the evening.[/QUOTE]The expat losers must have stunk out the place with their filthy clothes and matted hair and beards. Drunken stinking bums. PP is full of expat losers, best for you to stay with the tourists and NGOs.

[quote=bkk rookie; 1348445]i've stayed there. i've seen girls turned away who were clearly not ****. i've inquired at the front desk and have been told no guests.

pity some can't understand that different front desk workers can give different results. it is not at all uncommon in kh to have discordant policy enforcement.[/quote]i stayed at the bouganville for a week in mid-august 2012. the key to having guests in your room is to speak to the front desk when you check in. they use this opportunity to charge an additional fee, so it is a minor scam to extract extra money. i paid a nominal amount and had no difficulty having guests visit me.

bule2004

[QUOTE=Sammon]For some reason STD are prevalent in Cambodia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bule]The expat losers must have stunk out the place with their filthy clothes and matted hair and beards.[/QUOTE]

Plus

Non-condom wearing Cambodian customers.

Doesn't take Scooby-Doo to figure out this "mystery".

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1347379]Just curious as to what you mean by the females looking more "oriental" in Cambodia than those in PI?[/QUOTE]PI women probably have more Spanish blood than Cambodians. There are beauties and big boobs in every country if one looks hard enough. I love them all!

I'm planning to be in PP in may, maybe you guys can help me out, is it a busy time there then as iv read you should book a hotel early. I'm looking at staying at 1 of 3 places for the first 5 days I'm there, california2, curcuit, or golded house, which 1 would you say is the best 1 for a first time visitor to PP, or can you recomend a better place.

[QUOTE=Ossie;1351244]I'm planning to be in PP in may, maybe you guys can help me out, is it a busy time there then as iv read you should book a hotel early. I'm looking at staying at 1 of 3 places for the first 5 days I'm there, california2, curcuit, or golded house, which 1 would you say is the best 1 for a first time visitor to PP, or can you recomend a better place.[/QUOTE]You'll have to book early for Cali2 as it seems to be very popular.

Never stayed at Circuit but have stayed at Bolina Palace next door a few times. The street it's on (st 154) is very noisy day and night so If you value some peace and quiet don't stay there.

Never stayed at Golden House so can't comment.

Last time I was in PP I stayed at the Comfort Star 2 hotel. It's a Khmer run place on st 200 just off Pasteur (3/4 minute walk to Walkabout / Sorya Golden Mall / Heart etc). Decent rooms with good showers & beds and most importantly for me, it's on a quiet street which can be very hard to find in PP. $18 a night if you book through their website.

Good luck.

[quote]If you value some peace and quiet don't stay there.[/quote]If you value some peace and quiet don't visit Phnom Penh.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1351894]If you value some peace and quiet don't visit Phnom Penh.[/QUOTE]Not a very useful negative comment about Phnom Penh. And for which could be substituted the names of a dozen cities in south east Asia.

Much of Phnom Penh is delightful quiet and relaxed. And of course the hostess bars and the hotels nearby are noisy.

But don't condemn Phnom Penh with a cheap throw away line.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1351894]If you value some peace and quiet don't visit Phnom Penh.[/QUOTE]Too true.

I'm just pointing out that while it's difficult to find a decent place in a quiet area it's not impossible.

Getting 3/4 hours sleep per night because of traffic noise in the morning gets to me after a few days, so I prefer to stay in an area where I can sleep in a bit.

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1351916]Too true.

I'm just pointing out that while it's difficult to find a decent place in a quiet area it's not impossible.

Getting 3/4 hours sleep per night because of traffic noise in the morning gets to me after a few days, so I prefer to stay in an area where I can sleep in a bit.[/QUOTE]You're right. I stayed at a riverfront hotel and the motorbikes, cars, buses, trucks blowing their horns started at 5 ayem. That road is a highway. After a couple of days, I couldn't take it. Having a view of the river and all that was nice but the noise was horrific and I couldn't sleep thru it.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1348791]There are beauties and big boobs in every country if one looks hard enough. I love them all![/QUOTE]D Cups, I am happy you find the big boobs your name indicates you like. But Asia is heaven for us itty-bitty-titty lovers!

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965;1351916]Getting 3/4 hours sleep per night because of traffic noise in the morning gets to me after a few days, so I prefer to stay in an area where I can sleep in a bit.[/QUOTE]Yeah, me too. That's why I avoid PP.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1352218]Yeah, me too. That's why I avoid PP.[/QUOTE]It is a sweeping generalisation to say that, as you suggest others should avoid Phnom Penh because of traffic noise. FFS, there are plenty of hotels away from Sisowath

Quay and other main streets where traffic noise is minimal. And many so-called noisy hotels have rooms on the back side.

It is a pity that some complain unjustifiably about so-called 'sleep deprivation' due to traffic noise unless you are used to living in a desert.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1352281]It is a sweeping generalisation to say that, as you suggest others should avoid Phnom Penh because of traffic noise. FFS, there are plenty of hotels away from Sisowath

Quay and other main streets where traffic noise is minimal. And many so-called noisy hotels have rooms on the back side.

It is a pity that some complain unjustifiably about so-called 'sleep deprivation' due to traffic noise unless you are used to living in a desert.[/QUOTE]I'm from New York bro.

I didn't say Phnom Penh should be avoided at all costs. Some people like it. Some people even like the urban centers of India (!). But if you dislike extremely loud noise on a consistent basis, or if you're a light sleeper who needs rest, then you should look elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1352281]It is a sweeping generalisation to say that, as you suggest others should avoid Phnom Penh because of traffic noise. FFS, there are plenty of hotels away from Sisowath

Quay and other main streets where traffic noise is minimal. And many so-called noisy hotels have rooms on the back side.

It is a pity that some complain unjustifiably about so-called 'sleep deprivation' due to traffic noise unless you are used to living in a desert.[/QUOTE]You're a bit touchy there.

Anyone who's ever been to PP and says it's not a noisy city is deluded.

I've been to PP over 20 times in the last 3 1/2 years. I keep changing hotels because of the noise of traffic, weddings, funerals, karaoke joints, sales people with their 1000 watt speaker setups, etc.

Complaining about sleep deprivation in PP is not unjust. It is what it is, a noisy Asian city.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1352492]I'm from New York bro.

I didn't say Phnom Penh should be avoided at all costs. Some people like it. Some people even like the urban centers of India (!). But if you dislike extremely loud noise on a consistent basis, or if you're a light sleeper who needs rest, then you should look elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Qte Yeah, me too. That's why I avoid PP. Unqte.

So what do we believe.

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1352498]You're a bit touchy there.

Anyone who's ever been to PP and says it's not a noisy city is deluded.

I've been to PP over 20 times in the last 3 1/2 years. I keep changing hotels because of the noise of traffic, weddings, funerals, karaoke joints, sales people with their 1000 watt speaker setups, etc. Complaining about sleep deprivation in PP is not unjust. It is what it is, a noisy Asian city.[/QUOTE]I am not at all touchy. Just feel I am dealing with a bunch of wimps who cannot stand a bit of urban noise. Get your bar fine to sit on your face and you will soon find quiet.

In Phnom Penh and as I expected after two massages I can say that a HJ is pretty well guaranteed. In one case after a 'balls massage' which rivaled the celebrated Rin in Bangkok.

Damn and after 40 minutes of erotic stimulation, I can't find the place again of Sisowath Quay.

On to something a little more productive, has anyone ever gotten any extras at Sakura massage on 130, about a block or two from the riverside? I stopped there twice when I was in PP, got a $5 body massage (had to wear satin pajamas, WTF, but it was a great Thai massage) and another time for a $7 oil massage (fully nude, a lot of playfulness and she even grabbed my dong a few times and made jokes, but refused to jack me off)?

I figured it was just a legit spot after my two visits but since then guys on other forums have said they got the firm hand shake to end the massage. I'm wondering if they're bullshitting or I simply couldn't get any action.

I did get a nice rub and tug at the massage shop across the street from Cyrcee.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1353069]On to something a little more productive, has anyone ever gotten any extras at Sakura massage on 130, about a block or two from the riverside? I stopped there twice when I was in PP, got a $5 body massage (had to wear satin pajamas, WTF, but it was a great Thai massage) and another time for a $7 oil massage (fully nude, a lot of playfulness and she even grabbed my dong a few times and made jokes, but refused to jack me off)?

I figured it was just a legit spot after my two visits but since then guys on other forums have said they got the firm hand shake to end the massage. I'm wondering if they're bullshitting or I simply couldn't get any action.

I did get a nice rub and tug at the massage shop across the street from Cyrcee.[/QUOTE]If the one opposite Cyrcee is the hairsalon, that is a dump, no clean sheets, very crampy and I walked away from there after 10 minutes. At Sakura I have been a number of times. It is OK with very friendly girls but I can hardly believe that anything more than massage is on offer at Sakura. I just do not believe it.

The Rex Hotel has a fish bowl on the first floor with ladies in blue polos (Cambodian) and pink polos (Vietnamese). At about 2pm there were perhaps 15. 20 girls in the fish bowl.

(50:50 Cambodian / Vietnamese). Massage US$10. 00 in a small room for an hour.

I made a mistake and picked a more mature Cambodian lady who rushed through the massage in 20 minutes with no teasing to encourage further investment and with a towel covering

The 'essential bits'. After the 20 minutes she suggested boom boom at US$ 100. 00 and was palpably unhappy when I reached for my clothes to get dressed. I was happy to 'lose'

US$10. 00 on a short (but quite good for a rushed) massage and get out. By this time little willy had lost all enthusiasm and we concluded with a little more massage.

No doubt boom boom is available here. I hope you pick better ladies who don't ask stupid* prices.

* I don't mind negotiating down from a sensible starting point but I get pissed off when the ladies take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url].

[QUOTE=Titanio;1353248]If the one opposite Cyrcee is the hairsalon, that is a dump, no clean sheets, very crampy and I walked away from there after 10 minutes. At Sakura I have been a number of times. It is OK with very friendly girls but I can hardly believe that anything more than massage is on offer at Sakura. I just do not believe it.[/QUOTE]I would have said that too, especially with the thin walls. But when I went for the oil massage the girl clearly grabbed my cock a few times and smiled and laughed. She asked me why it didn't "wake up" (I think that's why I didn't get HE). At the end I specifically asked "no massage here?" She took off the towel and gave it like 2-3 tugs then laughed and said "finished!"

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1353445]The Rex Hotel has a fish bowl on the first floor with ladies in blue polos (Cambodian) and pink polos (Vietnamese). At about 2pm there were perhaps 15. 20 girls in the fish bowl.

(50:50 Cambodian / Vietnamese). Massage US$10. 00 in a small room for an hour.

I made a mistake and picked a more mature Cambodian lady who rushed through the massage in 20 minutes with no teasing to encourage further investment and with a towel covering

The 'essential bits'. After the 20 minutes she suggested boom boom at US$ 100. 00 and was palpably unhappy when I reached for my clothes to get dressed. I was happy to 'lose'

US$10. 00 on a short (but quite good for a rushed) massage and get out. By this time little willy had lost all enthusiasm and we concluded with a little more massage.

No doubt boom boom is available here. I hope you pick better ladies who don't ask stupid* prices.

* I don't mind negotiating down from a sensible starting point but I get pissed off when the ladies take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url].[/QUOTE]Shit like this is why Cambodia sucks for mongering. Unless you take a $10 freelance crack addict grandmother from Walkabout, you're going to get prices like this. Sure they'll usually come down, but WTF. I get FS for less than $100 from gorgeous women in Korea. I sure as fuck ain't paying that in a 3rd world backwater where people split $40 a month rent ten ways.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1353652]Shit like this is why Cambodia sucks for mongering. Unless you take a $10 freelance crack addict grandmother from Walkabout, you're going to get prices like this. Sure they'll usually come down, but WTF. I get FS for less than $100 from gorgeous women in Korea. I sure as fuck ain't paying that in a 3rd world backwater where people split $40 a month rent ten ways.[/QUOTE]Personally I don't know why anybody goes to massage places for sex. The massage in these places is average at best, the sex is usually mediocre, and the cost is relatively expensive for what you get.

Even nearly $100 for a massage and sex with a 'gorgeous Korean woman' sounds expensive to me. Why bother? Why not pay $8 for a really good one hour oil massage in one of Phnom Penh's better massage places, then head for Airforce or another decent hostess bar and take out a beautiful girl for $45-50 short time, including barfine. Total cost $53-58.

And please don't start on the 'mongering in PP costs a fortune' theme. Sure it's not the cheapest place. If you you want cheap go to the Caribbean or Africa etc. But I find the Khmer girls usually friendly, enthusiastic in bed and reasonably priced. Having been in PP eight months now, I far prefer it to Thailand or the Philippines.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1353812]Personally I don't know why anybody goes to massage places for sex. The massage in these places is average at best, the sex is usually mediocre, and the cost is relatively expensive for what you get.

Even nearly $100 for a massage and sex with a 'gorgeous Korean woman' sounds expensive to me. Why bother? Why not pay $8 for a really good one hour oil massage in one of Phnom Penh's better massage places, then head for Airforce or another decent hostess bar and take out a beautiful girl for $45-50 short time, including barfine. Total cost $53-58.[/QUOTE]The bargirl scenario was invented to cater to the Western market where the guy liked to think he was not just having anonymous sex even though he was and thought that he could check out the girl in the bar even though her attitude in the bar could change once they got to his hotel.

The massage scene prevails because certain mongerers like to keep their hobby within a controlled environment and may have an investment in their community which would be harmed if they were seen openly cavorting in a bar and then walking to a hotel or taking a taxi with a girl in tow. THat is why many Thais just do not get the Falang appetite for the girlie bar with take-out.

I used to like the bar scene years ago and I thought that an older gent that I met back then was mad when he told me that he was exclusively a consumer of massages with FS. Now I am that guy. Why? Because I have lived in Asia too long, have gotten older and know most of the conversations and the routine that follows an encounter in a bar. I also have an investment in certain communities in Asia where I work. I do not want to get the reputation of being the tasteless one who drags a trashy P4P girl around with him. So I do the Asian thing of keeping it under wraps. But back in the day when I used to come to Asia for vacation only it was different.

THat said, whenever I get the chance to break out in a city where I don't work and there is no connection that would rat me out, the I happily pick up a freelancer who looks promising I go for it. But most of the time I stick with the massage FS (or an oldfashioned brothel like Sophie / Le Cirque in PP) as it is less obvious what I am doing. I am really tired of the bargirls that overcharge, turn LT into ST, suddenly appear to have the time of the month, suddenly adjust the price / tip upwards, raid the drinks cabinet and cost me a fortune, steal (including hotel stuff which I get charged for) , do the starfish, have a serious odour problem down below, fill me with tales of woe, won't leave when it is all done in the morning and have to be ejected, wear clothes and behave in such a way that the whole hotel knows what I am doing, take phone calls while doing it and much else.

[QUOTE=Simian;1353896]The bargirl scenario was invented to cater to the Western market where the guy liked to think he was not just having anonymous sex even though he was and thought that he could check out the girl in the bar..........[/QUOTE]Excellent post.

You can retain anonanymity by getting the phone number of your favourite bargirl, and phoning her to arrange to come and see you, either in your hotel or in a short time hotel during the day, before she goes to work in her bar. That way you avoid the bar scene and save on the barfine, as well as getting a known quantity in terms of the quality of the sex.

[quote]Personally I don't know why anybody goes to massage places for sex. The massage in these places is average at best, the sex is usually mediocre, and the cost is relatively expensive for what you get.[/quote]I see someone has never been to a Korean Anma, Japanese Soapy, or. Especially. A Macau Spa.

But the point isn't about massages. It's about how fucked Cambodia is for mongering. It doesn't make sense that a haggard old bird with kids and a saggy stretch-marked body who is probably on crack or meth and lives in one of the poorest / lowest cost of living countries in the world where prostitution is right out in the open would ask for MORE money than a 19 year old stunner with a flawless body who probably spends more on her makeup than the aforementioned woman spends on her monthly rent, living in one of the world's most expensive countries, where the prostitution seen is underground.

When massage girls in Phnom Penh want more money than massage girls in New York City, something is amiss bro.

[QUOTE=Simian; 1353896]The bargirl scenario was invented to cater to the Western market where the guy liked to think he was not just having anonymous sex even though he was and thought that he could check out the girl in the bar even though her attitude in the bar could change once they got to his hotel.

THat said, whenever I get the chance to break out in a city where I don't work and there is no connection that would rat me out, the I happily pick up a freelancer who looks promising I go for it. But most of the time I stick with the massage FS (or an oldfashioned brothel like Sophie / Le Cirque in PP) as it is less obvious what I am doing. I am really tired of the bargirls that overcharge, turn LT into ST, suddenly appear to have the time of the month, suddenly adjust the price / tip upwards, raid the drinks cabinet and cost me a fortune, steal (including hotel stuff which I get charged for) , do the starfish, have a serious odour problem down below, fill me with tales of woe, won't leave when it is all done in the morning and have to be ejected, wear clothes and behave in such a way that the whole hotel knows what I am doing, take phone calls while doing it and much else.[/QUOTE]Right on the money guy.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1354072]I see someone has never been to a Korean Anma, Japanese Soapy, or. Especially. A Macau Spa.

But the point isn't about massages. It's about how fucked Cambodia is for mongering. It doesn't make sense that a haggard old bird with kids and a saggy stretch-marked body who is probably on crack or meth and lives in one of the poorest / lowest cost of living countries in the world where prostitution is right out in the open would ask for MORE money than a 19 year old stunner with a flawless body who probably spends more on her makeup than the aforementioned woman spends on her monthly rent, living in one of the world's most expensive countries, where the prostitution seen is underground.

When massage girls in Phnom Penh want more money than massage girls in New York City, something is amiss bro.[/QUOTE]Yawn. Is this tirade ever going to stop? We get that you don't like the sex scene in PP. We get that you can't understand why the girls are asking so much when their rent is so low (even though I explained a more realistic financial picture in a subsequent post).

Yes I should have said that my massage joint commente were based on my Cambodian and Thai experiences, rather than masage places workdwide. I stand corrected.

So choose to monger elsewhere. But there are still thousands of mongers who enjoy the quirky sex scene here in PP. Yes, girls can ask crazy prices, but I laugh and either bargain them down or go somewhere else. There are plenty of bargains to be had in bars, freelance joints, restaurants, riverside, parks, some massage places etc. To each his own.

How about a positive post telling us about a recent mothering experience of yours that you enjoyed?

Here's to years more great mongering.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1354136]How about a positive post telling us about a recent mothering experience of yours that you enjoyed?[/QUOTE]I've made dozens very recently. Check Tokyo, Seoul, Pattaya, AC, HK, HCMC. None in the PP thread though, because the place is such an absolute shit hole. Sorry.

Why does the discussion go on? Because outside of one or two posters who seem to have some steak in defending the place (probably made the unfortunate choice to live there, or worse still get married to a local and her extensive family) most of the posts come from people complaining about the insane prices and terrible service they're getting. Forgive me for agreeing with them. This place is called INTERNATIONAL sex guide, so people are going to make comparisons and recommendations.

Whenever someone makes a post with an inquiry they rarely get a response. Anything critical is quickly addressed though. WTF. YMMV.

The best part is that I think I might be sent to PP for work in about a month. Ain't that some shit?

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1353008]In Phnom Penh and as I expected after two massages I can say that a HJ is pretty well guaranteed. In one case after a 'balls massage' which rivaled the celebrated Rin in Bangkok.

Damn and after 40 minutes of erotic stimulation, I can't find the place again of Sisowath Quay.[/QUOTE]How about letting us know where you got the massages?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1354144]I've made dozens very recently. Check Tokyo, Seoul, Pattaya, AC, HK, HCMC. None in the PP thread though, because the place is such an absolute shit hole. Sorry.

The best part is that I think I might be sent to PP for work in about a month. Ain't that some shit?[/QUOTE]Apologies Rick, I only read the PP forum, so missed your other posts.

Send me a PM if / when you arrive in PP and want to go out and hopefully have a better experience than you've had so far!

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1354144]in the PP thread though, because the place is such an absolute shit hole. Sorry.

The best part is that I think I might be sent to PP for work in about a month. Ain't that some shit? [/QUOTE]I hope that you spend time if you get sent to work there to find a little more time for research to get a more rationale view of an excellent mongering place.

You are h=just based because you have failed there.

I've never been to Cambodia but have the chance to spend a few days either side of Christmas baby-sitting the offce in PP. Workwise, I t should be a doddle but wondering if the city will be a ghost town or in full-on party mode?

LOL. The only thing I failed at was getting some sleep or crossing a street without risking my life and jumping over raw sewage in the gutter bro. Oh and finding women who weren't batshit insane. Sorry but after women at several different bars quote you insane prices you just don't feel much like mongering anymore. I'd like to find some more handjob shops just to hold me over until I can get out of there. Any tips on that would be sweet.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1354498]LOL. The only thing I failed at was getting some sleep or crossing a street without risking my life and jumping over raw sewage in the gutter bro. Oh and finding women who weren't batshit insane. Sorry but after women at several different bars quote you insane prices you just don't feel much like mongering anymore. I'd like to find some more handjob shops just to hold me over until I can get out of there. Any tips on that would be sweet.[/QUOTE]So sorry to hear about all this negativeness of your stay here. Its my third visit but truly only the second for mongering and actually I prefer it to vietnam which I abandoned this trip to come back here. You should have taken up the offer of Aussieguy100 for advice as he is not only a very nice gentleman but also very knowledgeable and helpful about the scene here, willing to share gladly.

But I am feeling that you have just rejected Cambodia all together, throwing away the baby with the water. Too bad. If I may, either seek help and open up or just leave and never come back. However, what I can tell you is that should you choose the first option, it should be quite rewarding.

I guess you must not be used to walking a lot in busy asian cities. I do a lot of walking especially here as its as flat as a pancake here, from street 184 down to 240, back to 108 and back again to 174. And never had a problem. Of course you have to be extra careful, but it can be done. Actually, I had more risks of being hit by cars in europe crossing the streets than here with all the motorbikes and cars.

As for sleeping well. Why don't you try the bluetongue cafe and hotel on street 174 right next to the Walkabout? In that street and just a bit further there are other nice hotels too and very quiet. Turn around on street 63 and you will find yet other nice hotels as well. But you need to walk hahahaha. Let me know if you want the names and streets numbers.

It is quite normal all over asia that girls ask for ridiculous amounts in the first place. It does not mean that its what they will not not accept less. Negotiation is part of the life and always expected, if not wanted actually. In some countries you will in fact not be respected if you don't bargain.

Having said that, and to try to help with my modest knowledge of this country still new to me, you should try Panda massage at the corner of streets 240 and 55 I believe. I had FS there for 25 bucks the first day I arrived thanks to info found here. I think. Sorry but I had just arrived and was horny as hell hehehe. You can refuse the first girl they send you and ask for another one that is what I did when they sent a fat cow.) , just like anywhere in south east asia, until you get someone you like, if they have enough girls of course. The manager there is vietnamese but she does not have any viet girls, all Cambodian.

You should probably try the Paris hotel massage as well as a massage place just off street 63 on street 252 at number 28R, called 252 massage karaoke, its right next to a big signed karaoke. Viet girls have red tag and Cambodians have bue tags (or maybe the other way round. You'll see anyways). I have not tried it, yet, just walked up to have a look. They had at least 30 girls in the fishbowl.

Hope you will enjoy Phnom penh a bit more. If not, Ho Chi Minh is only at 6 hours bus ride and 10 to 13 USD for that.

Cheers

Thanks for the tips. I'm going to have to try something if I get sent over there (I swear this is fate punishing me, Cambodia is the ONE place in Asia I absolutely did not like).

For me, HCMC isn't a great place either. I wouldn't go there for mongering, that's for sure. Still the BJ barber shops aren't bad. If it was in the US I'd probably like it a lot more. But when you're this close to Thailand, Philippines, South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Macau and Singapore, both countries are just absolutely [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor.

About the prices: I know literally hundreds of places throughout Asia where the girls don't ask as much as I was quoted in PP, even if just initially, and every one of those countries is richer and more expensive generally. That's the main thing that pissed me off. For years I kept hearing about $5 short times, all this other shit. The reality was much different. Maybe a crack head that hasn't washed in a week from Sorya Mall will go with you for $5. That's about it. Disgusting pigs with 3 kids in the bars wanting $50 is a real turn off, especially when you just spent a month divided between Angeles City and Pattaya banging 18-21 year olds for a lot less. I was also more than a bit put off by the fact that half of the guys I saw in the bars and freelance places looked worse than the crackhead hookers. It really looks to me like a city where Western people go to die.

About the streets: the only place worse for walking that I've seen anywhere in the world was HCMC. I've been to something like 85 countries. I really do like to walk, I do it everywhere. It's just totally uncomfortable in PP, like much else. I mean, a city of 2. 5 million people without even a bus system tells you a lot.

When compared to what else is available in the world, it's just an absolutely dreadful place. I feel deeply sorry for anyone who thinks this is something good. It's like the old Koreans who sleep on the floor their whole lives and think it's the best. You know if they just slept in a bed they'd love it and see what shit sleeping on the ground was.

[QUOTE=Tungsten2;1354495]I've never been to Cambodia but have the chance to spend a few days either side of Christmas baby-sitting the offce in PP. Workwise, I t should be a doddle but wondering if the city will be a ghost town or in full-on party mode?[/QUOTE]Seeing as it's a Buddhist country, I don't think anyone gives a shit. Some of the bargirls will probably put on Santa hats so they can jack up the price another 25 or 50 bucks. Who cares right? What's a month's rent for an hour of used up gash with a starfish?

Tungsten 2,

Ignore Rick Rock. For some reason he's now trolling.

PP at Christmas will be fun. As RR says, lots of Santa hats, girls dancing in the bars, generally a good time.

No chance it will be a ghost town. Just look back over the last ten pages of this PP thread for suggestions of where to go, depending on your preferences.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1354697]Thanks for the tips. I'm going to have to try something if I get sent over there (I swear this is fate punishing me, Cambodia is the ONE place in Asia I absolutely did not like).

When compared to what else is available in the world, it's just an absolutely dreadful place. I feel deeply sorry for anyone who thinks this is something good. It's like the old Koreans who sleep on the floor their whole lives and think it's the best. You know if they just slept in a bed they'd love it and see what shit sleeping on the ground was.[/QUOTE]I believe that you are beyond any salvation as far as Cambodia is concerned. And maybe you are right. Maybe you did something that justifies fate punishing you. Think about that for a moment. You may also want to talk to yourt bosses to trade for any other place because it may prove to be hell for you here.

You may also have been spoilt rotten with other countries but then again you should compare apples with apples and not apples with rabbits. Every country and people and culture have their own peculiarities and are extremely different even if they seem to be close to each other, that is if you take the time to see beyond the facade and the surface.

You know, in everything that we think is bad, with time, there is always something good and positive that evolves from it eventually. Few years back I was sent to work in Portugal while I had hated it the first time I went there and thought never to go back. Few weeks after I stayed there, I started discovering the real Lisbon, and its people, and I grew to like it and even to love it after few months. I realized that in my first visit I had seen nothing really, understood nothing and felt even less. Funny enough, same thing happened to me here in Cambodia the first time I came here 4 years ago and now yes I do love it and the people account for a large part of that.

Good luck because you need plenty of it bro =, just my 2 cents.

Unfortunately every blog or forum from time to time has the appearance of an attention seeker who adds no value and their sole purpose is to antagonize and "stir the pot".

They are best ingnored and they eventually, when their attention seeking ways no longer give them the sad rush they seek, crawl back under the rock they came from.

This loser Rick Rock is no exception, and I could give two fucks about his level of membership or tall stories of the number of countries he has been to or all the 18 year old supermodels he has fucked.

I encourage everyone to do as I do and when you read his name in a post thread, bypass whatever negative dribble he has to say and move on to the next post.

Enjoy PP for what it is fellow Khmer lovers!

Has it occured to you that maybe you are the problem, RR? I have a great time wherever I go.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1354498]LOL. The only thing I failed at was getting some sleep or crossing a street without risking my life and jumping over raw sewage in the gutter bro. Oh and finding women who weren't batshit insane. Sorry but after women at several different bars quote you insane prices you just don't feel much like mongering anymore. I'd like to find some more handjob shops just to hold me over until I can get out of there. Any tips on that would be sweet.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1354498]LOL. The only thing I failed at was getting some sleep or crossing a street without risking my life and jumping over raw sewage in the gutter bro. Oh and finding women who weren't batshit insane. Sorry but after women at several different bars quote you insane prices you just don't feel much like mongering anymore. I'd like to find some more handjob shops just to hold me over until I can get out of there. Any tips on that would be sweet.[/QUOTE]From what I hear, woman who quote "insane prices" generally do so because you have no appeal to them. It's sorta like a "go away" comment.

I often am the problem. But since I've never felt this way about any other place I've been in the world, and there are many, then I tend to think that's probably not the case.

How about we talk about something of substance for a change here. (this previous subject is flogging a dead horse, same thing over and over again, and not what anyone is coming here to find out, we got the point, so lets move on)

What's the current state of Martini, if I can ask? Current rates? Also what are the going rates at Pontoon and HOD these days?

I guess I can understand RR somehow. Earlier I've been to PP several times and had mostly good times, but it was around 2002 till 2005. Then late 2004 or some time in 2005 Air Asia started daily flights directly into Clark (Angeles). As a result, in 2005 was my final visit to PP, since then I have never been back to Cambo.

AC and PP might be a comparison of apples and oranges, so what, then for me the apple please.

But whoever likes PP, why not, enjoy it! Cheers!

I can agree with all that Eks. Thanks. Sorry for any problems, but I just felt ripped off by what I had heard for years. I didn't see any negative reports and that's probably what gave me false hopes. At least someone might take my insane rants into consideration before heading to PP in search of hot chicks for low dollars.

I first visited PP in the 1990's and it was wild then. In recent years this has changed. Athough there are not the sheer numbers of women to be had as in Thailand, The Philippines etc, I still manage to find some real gems. Last year I found a 19 year old bar girl who was over-celebrating in Pontoons. We hit it off and she almost sucked me dry with BJ's galore. She had long braided hair and an incredible body. All for 30 USD for all night. I should have hung onto her (I know. Big head, small head ha ha) but I chased other girls in HOD the following night and found a 21 year old stunner with her 19 year old younger sister. Fresh from home. I took both of them short time for 20 USD each and gave the younger one her first facial, just right after she watched her sister give me a BBBJ. They were great.

The last time I was in PP was 2 months ago and I saw an incredibly sexy girl (20) in Martini's and we hit if off and she came home with me for 25 USD short time. She had to return to the club for her jacket and I thought that since I had paid her she would not return (leaving me free to chase again. Heh heh). She returned for an overnight session for 25 USD and I could hardly walk the next morning. She fucked my brains out and was so so tight too.

So when I read recent tales of woe here I truly wonder which PP I visited. For me these girls are normally great if you are patient and slowly get them to introduce friends etc then it is possible to get some amazing girls.

I will return there in a few months and have already started chatting on DIA, Skype etc. I expect another amazing time. Forget Thailand, it's full of seasoned / hardened girls intent on their I-phone 5 etc. PP hasn't got there just yet.

For whatever it may be I am heading to Cambodia next week and plan to stay for a week. If I like it I might extend my stay if not, back to Thailand. I have to get out and come back to get my second tourist visa entry activated.

First time there so I make sure I write about my experience as a first timer. It's funny though I never heard of a place where everyone had a positive feedback. People have different experiences depending on so many things. So the phrase YMMV is very true. The most important thing is having a positive attitude, I have travelled many places and hands on heart can say I had good times and bad times in just about every place (even right here, right now in Patong, Phuket! Which is full of super babes!). When I just about gave up on a place, suddenly hit the jackpot with a gem, so you never know.

GLA.

[QUOTE=Uzinuzin;1355514]When I just about gave up on a place, suddenly hit the jackpot with a gem, so you never know.[/QUOTE]A great girl can make all the difference in the world. I still remember the hot little spinner I pulled out of Rose Bar in 2009. She was one of my ALL TIME BEST! Try the 104 ST. Bars, HOD, Cyrcee. 136 ST bars, and the upscale Darling Darling nightclub in the Nagaworld. If you have the time or inclination to play the long game, check out the Shanghai bar girls. Phnom Penh is still pretty good. Let's see. I was last there in 2011. Prices have gone up since then, but even then some board members were complaining about the price increases; $30 for 2 hours with multiple shags was lableled outrageous. I was criticized for acknowledging these increases and paying the going rate back then. I don't know what girls are asking now, is it up to $40-$50? So what! Of course, I wouldn't pay that for a fugly, but for a sexy Khmer girl with a good personality; I don't see the point of bitchin' about it. Prices have gone up everywhere in Asia including AC, Pattaya, and BKK. It is the trend in Asia and nothing short of a worldwide economic depression is going to change that. My best advice is: don't sweat the small penny anti stuff. Treat the girls good and you will reap the rewards, wherever you go. Unfortunately, I won't be returning to Phnom in 2013. I have other plans, but there is a good chance I will return in 2014. Why not? It may not be my favorite place in Asia, but I do like the town. It has great food, it is pleasant to walk around in (or hire a driver), it has some nice temples, and best of all there are some very sweet girls here.

[QUOTE=Wordsofwisdom;1355510]I first visited PP in the 1990's and it was wild then. In recent years this has changed.... [but] when I read recent tales of woe here I truly wonder which PP I visited. For me these girls are normally great if you are patient and slowly get them to introduce friends etc then it is possible to get some amazing girls.

I will return there in a few months and have already started chatting on DIA, Skype etc. I expect another amazing time. Forget Thailand, it's full of seasoned / hardened girls intent on their I-phone 5 etc. PP hasn't got there just yet.[/QUOTE]

Words of Wisdom, Wordsofwisdom. Welcome to the forum. I look forward to your next field report. I would only add that plenty of great girls can still be had in LOS. I find them all the time, but yeah they all want their own I-phone 5.

Speaking of working girls with their I Phones, I remember a conversation I had a year or so ago with Wendella. We disagreed with the appropriateness of posting pictures of working girls on the ISG and other sights. I believed and still do, that is ok to post a working girl's picture without masking her face as long as the girl has not asked me not post her pictures. But I admit there is a grey area here because I also will not post pictures of girls that are regulars of mine and that I plan to see again and I will not post pictures of a girl and give her bar address. I will recommend a bar I like, but not specific girls in that bar. I don't feel right about sending a lot of guys I can't vouch for straight to girl that I like. Go there find your own.

Now back to the issue of posting pictures: during our discussions, Wendella asked me if I would like it if the tables were turned and a girl posted my picture on the internet. Well, I don't think my picture has ever been posted, but a growing trend is the number girls that like to take pictures with their I Phone Samsungs. I was with one of my regular BKK Go Go friends in October. We were lying in bed; she receives a call from one of her friends. She turns the camera on and answers the call. After a while she hands the phone to me and I am cam talking to her friend who is another Go Go girl. After our little conversation is over and I say goodbye, I give the phone back to my sweetie and she stretches the phone out at arm's length and snaps a couple of close up pictures of us. I have a stupid grin on my face and the lens slightly fisheye distorts our faces which take up the entire frame of the shot. It is not the most flattering picture I have ever had taken, but what the hell. I have shot hundreds of shots of her in all kinds of positions over the last few years. Anyway, she likes our photo together so just I smile. I am sure she is going to show it to all her friends. It ain't no big deal.

Someday I predict working girls will have their own sex internet forum where they can discuss prices and customers. I can see it now LOL; working girls rating customers and posting their pictures. This guy was dirty and had bad breath. Next time I see him I will tell him I am on mens. This guy made me cum 2 times. I can't wait till he comes back to my bar. I can remember when there were no cell phones. You left your office or home and you were out, period. Then the cell phones came along and people started using them. I remember how unusual it was to see someone on his / her cell walking down the street. It is sort of like the Invasion of the Body Snatchers (original 1956 version) with Kevin McCarthy. Look out guys. The working girls ISG forum is coming.

I will be in PP in a few weeks and am looking for a better quality hotel in the riverside area that is also GF.

In the old days I used to stay at some of the really rough places where it helped if you had a screwdriver in your backpack to fix the wiring and your own stopper for the sink. Now that I am slightly better off, I like to stay at a more fit for humans place. Tried California 2 before but new location can be noisy, walk of shame through the bar that has been already mentioned in the forum and rooms with no window etc. Bourganville does not allow company. Used to stay at the Dolphin (can't remember what it is called in Khmer) but that went downhill.

Took a look around both this forum and at Canby Publications. Is Lux still GF? WHat about Golden House on the corner of street 136 and 5? When that was being built, it was supposed to be an apartment building. Are there any apartments for short rent (a few days) in the area or between River and Circee that are GF?

[QUOTE=Simian; 1355770]I will be in PP in a few weeks and am looking for a better quality hotel in the riverside area that is also GF.

In the old days I used to stay at some of the really rough places where it helped if you had a screwdriver in your backpack to fix the wiring and your own stopper for the sink. Now that I am slightly better off, I like to stay at a more fit for humans place. Tried California 2 before but new location can be noisy, walk of shame through the bar that has been already mentioned in the forum and rooms with no window etc. Bourganville does not allow company. Used to stay at the Dolphin (can't remember what it is called in Khmer) but that went downhill.

Took a look around both this forum and at Canby Publications. Is Lux still GF? WHat about Golden House on the corner of street 136 and 5? When that was being built, it was supposed to be an apartment building. Are there any apartments for short rent (a few days) in the area or between River and Circee that are GF?[/QUOTE]I am in PP now and did a lot of research before I came back, trying to find a good place by the riverfront, and also after I arrived. End result was, the best place and value for money I found was the Blue Tongue cafe hotel, next to Walkabout on street 174, just off street 51. The rooms are great, and very importantly very quiet for a good sleep. Last and not least, you can negociate prices down rignt now. 25 USD instead of 30 and 33 instead of 42, depending on your requirements. Beats any riverfront place in my opinion.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Knight 1001; 1355796]I am in PP now and did a lot of research before I came back, trying to find a good place by the riverfront, and also after I arrived. End result was, the best place and value for money I found was the Blue Tongue cafe hotel, next to Walkabout on street 174, just off street 51. The rooms are great, and very importantly very quiet for a good sleep. Last and not least, you can negociate prices down rignt now. 25 USD instead of 30 and 33 instead of 42, depending on your requirements. Beats any riverfront place in my opinion.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Have you tried the pickel parret, do you know what its like as I'm about to book 5 nights there in April 13.

[QUOTE=Ossie;1355859]Have you tried the pickel parret, do you know what its like as I'm about to book 5 nights there in April 13.[/QUOTE]No, sorry, I don't even know that is. But until April, you have plenty of time to find out from the forum here.

[QUOTE=Ossie;1355859]Have you tried the pickel parret, do you know what its like as I'm about to book 5 nights there in April 13.[/QUOTE]Pickled Parrot Bar / Restaurant is great. Nice people, lots of expats, great food reasonable priced. But the guesthouse is a different story. Was Ok in 2006 but after the renovation of the rooms they forgot to replace the aircons. Very noisy and hardly working. So that is a no no for me to stay overnight at that place. Sad, as the location is great.

[QUOTE=Simian; 1355770]I will be in PP in a few weeks and am looking for a better quality hotel in the riverside area that is also GF.

In the old days I used to stay at some of the really rough places where it helped if you had a screwdriver in your backpack to fix the wiring and your own stopper for the sink. Now that I am slightly better off, I like to stay at a more fit for humans place. Tried California 2 before but new location can be noisy, walk of shame through the bar that has been already mentioned in the forum and rooms with no window etc. Bourganville does not allow company. Used to stay at the Dolphin (can't remember what it is called in Khmer) but that went downhill.

Took a look around both this forum and at Canby Publications. Is Lux still GF? WHat about Golden House on the corner of street 136 and 5? When that was being built, it was supposed to be an apartment building. Are there any apartments for short rent (a few days) in the area or between River and Circee that are GF?[/QUOTE]I don't know where you got the idea that he Golden House was originally planned as an apartment building it was planned as a hotel with the top three floors containing office accommodation for KMF International and a private apartment.

[QUOTE=Simian; 1355770]I will be in PP in a few weeks and am looking for a better quality hotel in the riverside area that is also GF.

In the old days I used to stay at some of the really rough places where it helped if you had a screwdriver in your backpack to fix the wiring and your own stopper for the sink. Now that I am slightly better off, I like to stay at a more fit for humans place. Tried California 2 before but new location can be noisy, walk of shame through the bar that has been already mentioned in the forum and rooms with no window etc. Bourganville does not allow company. Used to stay at the Dolphin (can't remember what it is called in Khmer) but that went downhill.

Took a look around both this forum and at Canby Publications. Is Lux still GF? WHat about Golden House on the corner of street 136 and 5? When that was being built, it was supposed to be an apartment building. Are there any apartments for short rent (a few days) in the area or between River and Circee that are GF?[/QUOTE]Have you seen the size of the rooms in Golden House? 14 M2. That looks very crampy if they also fitted a bathroom in there! I once was on the edge of booking as it looked all very good, but when I saw the room size. Although I only need a room for sleeping and pleasures, I need some space.

Regarding hotel recommendations. I have not had the chance to stay yet, but I have a friend who highly recommends The Paragon, near the River Walk. He said its within walking distance of Sharkey's Bar. Heresay of course, but I will give it a try in February.

[QUOTE=Ossie;1355859]Have you tried the pickel parret, do you know what its like as I'm about to book 5 nights there in April 13.[/QUOTE]Pickled Parrot works fine for me, particularly their top room which is nice for the price of it. Location is perfect and the Aussie bar downstairs is chilled with great staff. Street 104 bars outside your door, Green Vespa for great food around the corner and the riverside a two minute walk.

Is it really back or is someone playing head games? Sorry, no pun intended!!

[QUOTE=Asianpussylover;1357460]Is it really back or is someone playing head games? Sorry, no pun intended!![/QUOTE]For the last time, no, it is not back. Closed. Finished. Kaput.

I'm sure there may be a few places similar in function aimed at the locals, somewhere in PP, but nothing catering to foreigners.

[QUOTE=HoyArroi;1356560]Regarding hotel recommendations. I have not had the chance to stay yet, but I have a friend who highly recommends The Paragon, near the River Walk. He said its within walking distance of Sharkey's Bar. Heresay of course, but I will give it a try in February.[/QUOTE]"highly" is a strong adjective. But the Paragaon Hotel is OK. Good location; it's on the riverwalk; OK prices; somewhat old.

Sharkeys is about a kilometer away. $1.50 fare by tuk-tuk.

It seems there's upward pricing pressures.

At Le Crycee, the girls are asking for $25 short time (plus $3 lady drink, $5 barfine and short time hotel fee). Most likely, many girls (except a few) will accept $20, especially if it's late or if you are a regular. Not sure if any will go for $15 now (maybe the few butt ugly ones).

At Martinis, the top ones at the bar during prime time are asking for $30 short time. And they're getting it.

My favored hangout the SAKURA has closed for good. What is your recommendation for a good relaxed mongering hotel with Wifi? Not Flamingos, Paris. Many thanks, I will be there in two weeks.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter;1357950]My favored hangout the SAKURA has closed for good. What is your recommendation for a good relaxed mongering hotel with Wifi? Not Flamingos, Paris. Many thanks, I will be there in two weeks.[/QUOTE]Golden House International Hotel on Street 136. The rooms might be small depending on your point of view. But it has a decent bed, wifi, frig, and flatscreen TV. Since it's new, the cable channels are not fuzzy (with older hotels, their connections are bad).

I like the inside rooms without windows because it's quiet. The cheapest and smallest rooms are the rooms that face the back with a small window. Many of the rooms facing the street will have twins.

Warning: last month, there was construction next door on the bottom. The lower inside rooms were very noisy from the construction starting at 8 AM. Need to ask if the construction is still on going, or get a room on the other side (which can be noisy from the street), or get a room in the back high up. Doesn't matter if you wake up before 8 AM.

Note that the rates you get via their website is horrible. Better to email them or walk up and ask for a discount. But if you go during high season, there's a good chance that it will be full.

The Circuit hotel (near Heart) seems to be good, but I never stayed there.

So, yeah, headed back to PP for work! I'm so excited I had to take some downers to keep the massive smile off of my face. After RTFF still not sure the best place for service (not looks). Where can a guy get a serious rim job on the cheap? Not worried about looks at all. Better chance at Walkabout or Cyrcee? Or somewhere else?

Just as a quick feedback, I have been here now for a couple of days, I must say this is a true third world country, a step down from LOS for sure. But I like the difference, it means everything is cheaper and more laid back), girls come in all shades and sizes, from what I have come across so far, they are more approachable and friendlier than their Thai sisters (ok, YMMV on this, but I'm no blonde 20 year old surfer boy from Aus with blue eyes. TGs favourites in Phuket.!).

But for sure there are less stunners here, well it's early days, also less sophisticated, and they don't speak much English (I wish I could speak khmer as much as Thai). Also I noticed there are a lot of local boys in the discos and even in Naga casino. Although the casino was full of Asian gamblers playing $20 minimum stake Black Jack! (too pricey for me!). The casino was full of FL, one tall one I fancied quoted $100 and even couldn't speak English (her friend helped) , she did not budge at all when I asked for a discount. (Most of them go to Darling club in the casino with $7 a beer, not for me!).

Went to a bar in 136 (I think called Lemon or something) , bought a couple of $3 drinks for a cutie, she quoted $50 and then $40 for an hour and would not come down (also $7 barfine). With almost zero English these seems to be new comers but demand premium prices! ? From what I read this is a bit higher than it should be)

Anyway, went to Pytoon, and Heart of Darkness, many girls there, I took one each night for $35 and $45 all night and was happy with them. Also many girls on the river-front just sitting or walking, I was offered $20 for an hour by a cute one, and also got some numbers, again very little English. Went to massage $8 / hr for Thai body, pricey but good, zero hanky panky, I think I need to go to the special places for that. I have a few notes on that to follow.

So far so good, I should just learn some khmer or get a few phrases written down, can not communicate with the ones I like (I. E. No long timer or very hard core).

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1358801]Where can a guy get a serious rim job on the cheap? Not worried about looks at all. Better chance at Walkabout or Cyrcee? Or somewhere else?[/QUOTE]You can get it anywhere if you keep asking.

Higher percentage will do it at Le Crycee. More of a sure thing. Not sure about "on the cheap". It will be $20 or $25 for short time, plus $5 barfine and $3 ladydrink.

If you want it for "cheap", keep asking at Walkabout and negotiate for a low price.

[QUOTE=Uzinuzin;1358892]So far so good, I should just learn some khmer or get a few phrases written down, can not communicate with the ones I like (I. E. No long timer or very hard core).[/QUOTE]Just look at my post no #4260 on this thread for some useful phrases!

Glad you like it here.

Yes the prices you're getting quoted do seem high. Try telling the girls you work here and have been here for a few months. They may well lower their opening asking price then.

Or try not asking them the price, just tell them: "one hour $25" or "all night $30". They will then be much less likely to demand premium prices.

The bars on Streets 118 and 130 plus any on side streets off these main bar streets tend to be a bit cheaper.

Send me a PM if / when you arrive in PP and want to go out and hopefully have a better experience than you've had so far![/QUOTE]Hey AussieGuy100,

I would also like to tip a few with you and hopefully benefit from your vast knowledge of the whereabouts of quality tang in PP. Perhaps if Rick Rock is still there in late February he can join us. First 2 rounds are on me.

LeknomForMe

Just like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and happy new year, remember you never see santa without a hat on, so always remember to wear yours. That way none of santas little elfs will give you an unwanted Christmas present.

A few questions:

1. Is it true that Sophie's is back?

2. Just kidding.

3. Uzinuzin mentioned seeing girls at the river front. Over the years I've noticed many guys here mention that as a place they find girls, but I have to say, whenever I'm there I don't spot what look like available working girls there. Now of course the Mekong is a long river, so maybe we can narrow it down a bit. For example, are these girls on the river side of Sisowath Quay or are they on the side that has the restaurants? And do they congregate in one specific area (say, at a certain cross street) or can they be anywhere along that stretch? Me, I don't have time to spend walking up and down the river front in the hope of finally spotting A girl, so if there's a particular spot, or at least a most likely stretch of it, that would help. My hopes are not high on this one though.

4. What is a good time to arrive at the Naga casino to see it at its best (in terms of available girls that is)

[QUOTE=Wendella;]3. Uzinuzin mentioned seeing girls at the river front. Over the years I've noticed many guys here mention that as a place they find girls, but I have to say, whenever I'm there I don't spot what look like available working girls there. Now of course the Mekong is a long river, so maybe we can narrow it down a bit. For example, are these girls on the river side of Sisowath Quay or are they on the side that has the restaurants? And do they congregate in one specific area (say, at a certain cross street) or can they be anywhere along that stretch? Me, I don't have time to spend walking up and down the river front in the hope of finally spotting A girl, so if there's a particular spot, or at least a most likely stretch of it, that would help. My hopes are not high on this[/QUOTE]Try opposite Psar Kandal, between streets 172 and 148, and also between streets 110 and 136. The girls are often sitting on the concrete low wall right next to the river, or on the benches dotted along the river. Or strolling along the promenade. I've been along there between about 6. 30-8. 30pm and always seen a fair number of girls there. They may also be there much later, but I don't know. They aren't on the side of the restaurants. The restaurant side is where you meet the super-cute but often expensive waitresses!

Often they don't look like working girls, with no bling or short dresses, just like normal girls. The tell tale signs are cheap clothes and if their eye contact lingers or they smile at you. They can be quite cheap. I got a nice slim one for $15 short time, including blow job, a couple of days ago.

And even if they are 'good' girls, if you ask them out to eat and meet them a couple of times they may go with you. I had one like that, but then she asked $100 for short time! She was stunning, but that was too much for me.

Went to Air Force Bar (104) last night, it was full! A couple of guys came in but couldn't get a nice place to sit and left, they must be doing good business. Many girls there (one of them told me they have 45 on their book!) , I counted about 20+ last night. There were a few super cute ones but they were playing princesses, I asked one of the older ones and she confirmed they won't go with customers just there to entertain and drain you of your $$ with lady drinks!

I then went to Rose Bar, they have a pool table at the end which I liked and played a few games. One of the girls quoted me $40 for 2 hours with 10$ barfine, this obviously is not very high with Thai standards but in PP I think I forget about bars and stick with FL. (Also the $3 lady drinks add up quickly!)

Went to Walkabout for a few, one young girl with a nice smile came talk to me, after a while just to get a feel for the prices I asked her how much, she apologetically (and giggling) said $100, I laughed a bit and she did too, but didn't bother with haggling, she obviously was trying it on with a new comer. 5 minutes later another nice slim one said she will go with me for $30 (not sure for how long it was though).

I went to Pontoon then (sorry for mis-spelling it in the last post) , and after to another bar nearby, by this stage I was pretty drunk, but took a nice cutie from there, left in the morning with $32, I felt she was expecting more, but at 5am and my drunk state, I think it was enough!

Called a girl this evening that I had the number from Pontoon, came for $30 for an hour, pretty girl but perhaps this was my first (and hope the last) star-fish here in PP, pretty disappointing, but you should expect a few like that.

Staying in tonight to recover but might check out Martini tomorrow.

(P4P girls are on the river-side of the road, after the second look they say hello if they are in the game, a bit of walking might do you good, don't be afraid. ! .?)

(I was at Naga casino around 11:30 and it was buzzing, Darling was filling up around 12:30am, it was Sunday though. Just make sure the girls are not already hooked up with someone, I noticed some of them just hang around the gamblers and know them as their regulars I guess, but they are still available, again they will let you know quickly if they are up for it.)

I will be samplying PP for the first time in January. I do appreciate all the info. Thanks to AussieGuy100 for the language help. Will provide any usefull information when I am finished visiting.

I went to the Candy Bar the other day (despite some so so reports) , it is near my place so it was a last call. A nice girl latched on to me and after a drink she agreed $25 for a quicky (she said she can't go all night this time but another time, pretty face) + $10 barfine. Anyway, when the bill came it was a bit confusing, they said they don't have the concept of barfine so they built it into the bill with lady drinks! . ? So I had a look and the total (drinks and barfine) was $15 which was lower than I expected, so I paid. But the girl got her bag right away and beckoned me to go, I was a bit tipsy and forgot my change from $20! Damn! Anyway, she was ok but nothing special. In case you go there check the bill carefully and take this into account. Also she said lady drink is $3, on the bill was $3. 75.

Went to Martini Pub a few days ago around 12:30 and it was dead so I went again last night around 10:30, a few more people but a strange atmosphere, nobody talked to each other! Everyone walking around looking, winking and so on, a bit like playing chess. , building up to a checkmate, LOL! Their disco is basically empty, guys don't like to dance there (mainly older crowd) and girls can't be bothered I guess. I played some pool and took a cute 20 yr Viet girl, she said $30 but I said that is all night, then she goes 50! , ? I wasn't in the mood for haggling so I just said 40 and let's go. I'm sure the original 30 was LT. Anyway, she could not speak a word of English and only some Khmer, my Khmer is only a few words and the numbers, so we just used body language! , ? I thought she was new and it should be fun, but in the room it was very mechanical and in the morning she woke me up at 6:30 for a quicky and out of the door quicker than I could say good bye in Khmer, BTW that takes a while in my basic lingo, LOL!

I noticed there are lot of Cambo guys chasing tails in this country, many of them are in the clubs and discos, even in Martini, I first thought they were Japs or Korean or Chinese, but I heard they speak fluent Khmer with the girls and hit the same FL (couple of them hit on the same girls I did in HOD, while I was talking to one they were having a go at the other! Though she didn't give them much attention). This is not usual in LOS, you won't see Thai guys pooling FL from farang hang-outs (they have their own places). So a bit strange, I guess they get a special rates or do Cambo guys so well off, paying same prices, ! , ? (This is on top of the boyfriends and pimps who hang out, I see girls know those guys and chat and laugh with them.). Generally too many for my liking.

Also I feel there is a scam going on in the place I stay (rather not mention the name) , but whenever I bring a girl to my room I ask them before in the bar or club if they have I-D card to give to the hotel, they understand it well and confirm that they have it on them. Even in tuk tuk. Then at the reception they say they don't have it. ! , ? . ! I don't get it, the reception waves them in, but last couple of nights the security guy jumps in and say we need I-D card, again the reception wave them in. Last night the security guy finally came out with it and said, you should pay $5 when the girl has no I-D. My penny just dropped that this might be a scam, girls are probably in on it too, or just told to keep their I'd to see if I pay up. So far I haven't paid but wonder what the hell is going on. It's either that or I ask the reception and he said they copy the I-D card and may be the girls prefer not to get their I-D copied. !

One more thing, I was approached by two Philippinas on the river front, one not bad looking, after 5 minutes they said they want to invite me to their Cambodian family house so I can see what it's like. I quickly remembered this scam, so said goodbye and particularly mentioned I know all about that, they were a bit disappointed to say the least, . ? It's a well known scam, stay well away and google it if you don't know what it is.

Went to night bazzar tonight, loads of really cute girls, but no one smiled enough for a chat, I think they mostly don't speak English. I have talked to some uni student on the river front (who can speak English) but they usually bail after a 5 minutes. Cambo girls definitely have better (more) ass and tits than the Thai girls, with similar cute faces, I like them and already plan to extend my already extended stay!

Thanks for the up date. Keep the info coming. Was not aware of the scam. I wouldn't go to someones house anyway but still good to know.

Yes Candy Bar has had scams for a long time very well known in the expat crowd. Long before they moved location.

And just for your information I am still able to get FL for $15-$10 St and from Hostess bars still for $15-$20 st plus $5.$10 barfine. Ok I am a regular but this gives you an idea on what the girls will accept and still be happy with and give good service for. Just because I am paying less for doesn't mean less service in fact I bet I get good service so that I will be a repeat customer.

Can't speak for long time as I very rarely go LT

Would appreciate some advise here. Will be rewarding myself with a BKK and PP trip over Chinese new year.

Have 4 days in PP. I'm a normal guy who likes massage, trying to pick up girls riverside, etcetc. Done lots of reading here and have my "lists"

Choice of places to stay would be Cambodiana, The Quay Boutique, Imperial Villa or Lux Riverside. Theres no money issues whichever is selected.

Any thoughts or recommendation from mongers using those or expats familiar with all would be welcomed. Thanks

Lux Riverside would be my choice due to its location and the rooms are really apartments. No problems with bring girls back. Very expensive though. Cambodiana is way way out of the way and is showing its age a little nice pool and facilities bringing girls back could be a problem here.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1362353]Lux Riverside would be my choice due to its location and the rooms are really apartments. No problems with bring girls back. Very expensive though. Cambodiana is way way out of the way and is showing its age a little nice pool and facilities bringing girls back could be a problem here.[/QUOTE]Hi thanks for your advise.

What would you select as a Plan Bee alternative.

Lux Riverside isn't on any of the normal booking engines ie agoda / expedia / rooms. Com. And the online form I submitted kind of vanished.

I arrived from Singapore by air late yesterday afternoon. Visa and Customs were okay for me but the couple next to me were ripped off with US$5 each fee for no passport sized photos for their visas. There was no receipt, no photos taken and the staff / boss's slush fund was US$10 better off. They were also savaged on the exchange rate by the official but were not in a position to argue as getting the visas was the needed outcome.

Outside of the airport heading towards the main road I took a tuktuk at US$7 which is the regulated price for a trip to city centre. Good driver and chaotic traffic.

I am staying at the Manor House which is a lovely homely 12 room private hotel in a quiet area near the Independence Monument (#21, St 262). Manager Dave (from Adelaide originally) and his team run a good, clean, effective operation and I recommend it to you. It is gay / straight friendly and no problem in the girl friendly department.

Went to Phnom Penh after a break of a few years and what a difference a few years has made to the city. All the roads are paved, many more bars, girls and hotels. But this may have come at a cost.

First, the girls are very clever now, especially in the bars where they are attached to the bar. They don't do long time as it gets in the way of doing business. Even if a bar girl does not get another client when she returns to her bar, she can always get another few lady drinks. You can find yourself buying a lady one or more drinks only to find out that she does not go with guys to the room.

For instance, hit Airforce One one night. Big crowd in. One girl came over. She appeared nice and so I got her a lady drink. But no she was not available for some fun later and so I stopped another. Ladydrink and so on and sorry she was not available either. Getting a bit tired of this I asked for someone who would go to my hotel later. One was produced. Not as good looking but still pretty. But only ST available. Got to the room. Got down to business during which I find out that she was on her period. Blood everywhere. She denied it, saying that her period ended a few days before and maybe it is because she had not been with a guy for a while. Yeah sure. I gave her $10 and pushed her out the door.

Bar girls have worked out that getting lady drinks can be just as lucrative as providing sex. And they use younger better looking girls as teasers who are just there for the lady drinks only. And don't be fooled that taking a girl from a bar is insurance against being ripped off. Some bars actually rip you off even before you exit the bar. And if your mobile phone goes missing from your room, don't expect the Mamasan to do anything about it later. This happened to a guy while I was there.

Two other alternatives are onsite places and FLs. I took 2 FLs from Walkabout. Both were adequate but one did not do oral. But the choice is not great at Walkabout with many washed out hag like ladies around. The music in Heart was just too loud and was hurting my ears and I had to leave before I could check out the ladies there. Checked around a few of the bars nearby but nothing took my eye. Tried the riverside around 9pm one night but none doable. And some ladyboys there too. Did not have time to check Sharkeys or Martinis. Again, my impression was that the FLs want short time only. The days of the LT GFE possibly extending for a few days with a hot Khmer gal looking after your every need are really over in Phnom Penh.

On-site places. Unfortunately many of these places are closed, including all the Viet massage / brothel places that were dodgy anyway. I did not want to try the few fishbowl massage places. One place that has not changed much is Cirque. Picked a Khmer one night and it was a very nice experience even if you have to cross the road to get to the room.

After some of my disappointments with the bars near the riverside area, I went to a place in the same area I knew used to allow on-site activity. I was delighted to find out that they still do but I am guessing that they do not want it publicized. Correct me if I am wrong, but allowing on site sex usually gets a bar shut down pretty fast. If anyone wants to know where it is, they can PM me.

I went with 3 girls there on different nights. First was more than adequate, skinny girl who gave a great BJ. The second was a girl with the largest tits I have ever seen on an Asian girl. She was great fun and was horny. She is quite dark and it was like doing an african chick. The third I took back to my hotel and she was a happy hooker. The onsite room is a bit rough. She was horny and probably would have liked session 2 if only I was up to it. To all I gave $20 plus some tip money. You had to buy a girl a drink in the bar first. House rules. And pay a bar fine ($5 I think). There was a charge for the room too, if memory serves me right but it is $5 I think. There was only one girl who did not go with guys but the other girls told me that she was only there to have lady drinks. At least they were upfront about it.

What I liked about the place was that the girls are honest hookers and not playing games. They are real sluts, if you like that sort of thing. They are a bit short of customers and I was very welcome there. None of the girls were pissed off if I went with someone else the next night. It would be great for anyone who likes ST onsite. They claim they are open 24 hours but I am guessing that if you went there early morning you just might find a bunch of half asleep girls. But it might be a good place to check out for daytime action.

Changing the subject slightly, years ago I used to frequent Howie's bar. It was a drinkers bar near Heart but with no girls (although I pulled a girl from there who was a FL friend of one of the then barmaids about 5 years ago) but the bar staff back then were really nice and the customers were a little more interesting than elsewhere. This time I was surprised to see that it had mostly young customers who seemed to be backpackers, including some half-dressed Western girls. A barmaid with a winning smile engaged me in conversation, got me my favorite drink and asked me if I wanted to play a game. After a couple of rounds of Connect 4, she suggested a bet of a drink. I sniffed a scam but went along with it just to see what happened next. Big surprise when I won the first game, not so big surprise that she won the second game (immediately after my won drink was served). We drew a game and she won the next two games. I am not bad at Connect 4 having polished my skills in Thailand some years back but she was a real pro. I was pushed to play more but declined. She pushed a bit more and I said no again. Immediately all contact with bar staff stopped. I might as well have become invisible. The bill was $13. I only had 2 beers. Her drinks were $3 each.

In a way, this is how many of the tourist bars have changed. The strategy is to take your money now and forget about building up brand loyalty for the future.

I don't know if you are still around but if so grab some earplugs and go back to HOD. To me that disco had the best selection at rock bottom prices. The most I gave there was $28 LT. Martini's was right too but the girls there wanted $40 LT. All those other places suck. Playing lady drink games and shit. I wish I would buy a broad a drink and she won't leave with me. Well I don't buy lady drinks anyway so I guess I will never have to worry about that one.

What do you expect when any information on getting a VOA says passport photos are required. Only the stupid travel without a few photosfor just such an occasion. Count themselves lucky that their stupidity only cost them $10.

There is an official charge for them to scan the photo in your passport if you don't bring your own photos. But the charge is $2, not $5. Either bring $2 with you or just show a few 50's and say that's all you have and they'll scan it for free.

[quote]Outside of the airport heading towards the main road I took a tuktuk at US$7 which is the regulated price for a trip to city centre. Good driver and chaotic traffic.[/quote]Could've taken a cab with air conditioning for $3 more. Better get used to spending more now that you're in PP. No saving unless you want to shop at Walkabout!

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1363761]There is an official charge for them to scan the photo in your passport if you don't bring your own photos. But the charge is $2, not $5. Either bring $2 with you or just show a few 50's and say that's all you have and they'll scan it for free.

Could've taken a cab with air conditioning for $3 more. Better get used to spending more now that you're in PP. No saving unless you want to shop at Walkabout![/QUOTE]Or walk over the parking lot to the exit and get your tuk tuk for 4 dollars. And more savings plus a more guarantee a girl stay overnight when she promised LT? Promise her to go for shopping the other day and buy her a nice shirt or dress. That will not break the bank for less than 10 dollars at the market. And when she choose a too expensive dress, just say you don't like and walk on to the next shop.

So the guy says the guy next to him paid $10. 00 for the 2 people. [I] Don't know where he came from but here where I am it is $15. 00 for 2 passport photos to be taken. So if 2 people it would be $30. 00 here. Ten (10) is not bad but I understand you can get a picture for 1. 00 if you don't have them. A buddy who is in and out of Cambodia all the time tells me this is what it costs. I will find out soon but I do believe he is correct. I am in the USA

[QUOTE=Mackin;1364166]So the guy says the guy next to him paid $10. 00 for the 2 people. [I] Don't know where he came from but here where I am it is $15. 00 for 2 passport photos to be taken. So if 2 people it would be $30. 00 here. Ten (10) is not bad but I understand you can get a picture for 1. 00 if you don't have them. A buddy who is in and out of Cambodia all the time tells me this is what it costs. I will find out soon but I do believe he is correct. I am in the USA[/QUOTE]Are you talking about $15 at the post office in the USA? If I remember it is $10 or $15 for 2. What a rip off. They make them at drug store photo labs a bit cheaper. It is also pretty easy to make them on the computer yourself. I usually get mine made at a photo shop in Pattaya for the cheap. I don't just get what I need but a bunch of extras and keep them in the same pouch with my passport so I will have them when needed.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1363728]I don't know if you are still around but if so grab some earplugs and go back to HOD. To me that disco had the best selection at rock bottom prices. The most I gave there was $28 LT. Martini's was right too but the girls there wanted $40 LT. All those other places suck. Playing lady drink games and shit. I wish I would buy a broad a drink and she won't leave with me. Well I don't buy lady drinks anyway so I guess I will never have to worry about that one.[/QUOTE]Well it has been awhile since I have been to Cambodia, if they have moved to this "lady drink" phase, I won't be back. Last time there 2009, I did not see this lady drink thing going on at all. This "lady drink crap" is what ruined Korea. I was there in the 70s. 80s. 90s and watched the change. Don't play the game. This is the bars & girls getting greedy and not providing a service. It is just a rip off. Of course there will be plenty of dummies playing this game. There should be some freelancers around, if a girl in a bar asks you for a lady drink, leave. If most of the bars are doing this it will not be long until competition is gone and prices are set the same in all bars. This is not letting the market and competition set prices, but a bar owner conspiracy to rip you off. I seen it before and know where it came from, it does not get better. I do not see this in Thailand, Phillipines, Myanmar, Indonesia because there is competition between the bars. Just curious where and when did this start? Any Korean bar owners start up there recently? For those of you that like this game head to Korea, but take plenty of cash.

[QUOTE=Dragon1423;1364223]Well it has been awhile since I have been to Cambodia, if they have moved to this "lady drink" phase, I won't be back. Last time there 2009, I did not see this lady drink thing going on at all. This "lady drink crap" is what ruined Korea. I was there in the 70s. 80s. 90s and watched the change. Don't play the game. This is the bars & girls getting greedy and not providing a service. It is just a rip off.[/QUOTE]Damn right. I went into a few bars looking for girls to take out. I didn't want any shit so I cut to the chase. But all they were talking about was drinking. I said shit I can drink in the hotel room. I came looking for a woman to take back with me. Most of them were not up for going, they just wanted you to sit there and pay for drinks for yourself and for them. Like you said, you will look quite the fool buying drinks for all these women and later finding out they will not go with you. That is why my forte is freelance and if I am ever back in PP then Martini and Heart of Darkness are the only spots I will need to hunt.

[QUOTE=Dragon1423;1364223]I do not see this in Thailand, Phillipines, Myanmar, Indonesia because there is competition between the bars.[/QUOTE]The Lady Drink business is well and truly established here, a bit late for your advice! Girls will leave you alone if you don't buy any, but then that is not much fun seating on your own drinking and watching all the hot girls. The trick is to get it out of the girl if she barfines or not before buying the lady drink. Best is to ask another older girl, that usually works for me. I usually latch on to the oldest ugliest girl in the bar who (usually) speaks English, then get all the low down on all the girls and prices and so on and and then tell her which one to call over for me?

BTW, how is it that you have not seen this in Thailand? Girls in the bar there have asked for lady drinks as many years that I have travelled to LOS and remember going to the bars there.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1364273]Damn right. I went into a few bars looking for girls to take out. I didn't want any shit so I cut to the chase. But all they were talking about was drinking. I said shit I can drink in the hotel room. I came looking for a woman to take back with me. Most of them were not up for going, they just wanted you to sit there and pay for drinks for yourself and for them. Like you said, you will look quite the fool buying drinks for all these women and later finding out they will not go with you. That is why my forte is freelance and if I am ever back in PP then Martini and Heart of Darkness are the only spots I will need to hunt.[/QUOTE]Exactly!

Fuck the riverside bars with their overpriced drinks and crappy music.

I too stick to the freelancer places when I'm in town. I quite like HOD too but am less fond of Martinis, it's ok every once in a while.

I'd probably add Pontoon to that list and regardless of what some people here say Walkabout in the afternoon can be worth a visit as there are still diamonds to be found there. Patience is the key though.

Another venue worth checking out if you're into freelancers is Golden Sorya Mall at night. Kick back with a $2 jug of Anchor and watch the madness.

Ladydrinks are a few dollars. No big deal. Buy them one if you're interested in sussing them out. That's how they make their money. Their salary is next to nothing. Ladydrinks are pretty much the standard in SE ASIA. That's never been my problem in Cambodia. It's the crazy ST and LT prices that are asked.

If you want a quick slam and jam hit up a massage parlor, one of the disgusting brothels, or one of what the cracked out freelancers on Riverside or Walkabout.

You'd be forgiven if you mistook Heart of Darkness for a gay bar. I'd say more than half of the customers are local homosexuals out for dancing.

Sorya Mall seems like a great place to meet drug addicts looking for their next fix. They will go with you for $10-$20, but YMMV in the realest sense of the phrase.

Correct me where I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1364328]Ladydrinks are a few dollars. No big deal. Buy them one if you're interested in sussing them out. That's how they make their money. Their salary is next to nothing. Ladydrinks are pretty much the standard in SE ASIA. That's never been my problem in Cambodia. It's the crazy ST and LT prices that are asked.

If you want a quick slam and jam hit up a massage parlor, one of the disgusting brothels, or one of what the cracked out freelancers on Riverside or Walkabout.

You'd be forgiven if you mistook Heart of Darkness for a gay bar. I'd say more than half of the customers are local homosexuals out for dancing.

Sorya Mall seems like a great place to meet drug addicts looking for their next fix. They will go with you for $10-$20, but YMMV in the realest sense of the phrase.

Correct me where I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]I don't think your post needs correcting.

The whole area of St 51 is crawling with druggies, I'd say 70-80% of the freelancers there are on ice / yama. Some are heavy users (and it shows) and some use because they're awake all night trying to find customers.

The point I'm trying to make is that not all the FL's hustling on the Strip look like they've been on crack for years. There's still plenty of pretty, healthy looking girls out there.

Do I care that some of them smoke the occasional bag of ice? Not in the slightest.

There's a certain madness surrounding the place which I happen to like.

I can understand the attraction if you're into a kind "fear and loathing is las vegas" kind of scene. To each his own.

But if you just want to monger in relative safety with a sane and sober woman, it's probably not a good destination.

I booked 4 nights in PP. Then on to Seim Reip for 2, Pats for 5 and BKK for 5. Aside from mongering I like to do some of the tourist thing. I'm looking at things to do in PP and starting to think I might have been ok with just a couple of days. Thoughts? What else can one do for a few days? Stop in one of the smaller towns on the way to SR? Looks like Kampong Thom is on the way. Anyone been?

Ideas welcome.

S

I am refering to USA post offices. The price is 15. 00 for 2 photos. I went to a J C Penny store before that and it was 15. 00 also. The girl at penny's thought it might be cheaper at the post office, nope same price. I guess I should have waited till I got to Bangkok and got them there. My computer is old and a mess so not possible to use for picutes. It won't break me so I guess we live and learn.

The whole area of St 51 is crawling with druggies, I'd say 70-80% of the freelancers there are on ice / yama. Some are heavy users (and it shows) and some use because they're awake all night trying to find customers.

Kinds of reminds me of home. Really it does, not B S ing you.

[QUOTE=SimonHeSays; 1364455]I booked 4 nights in PP. Then on to Seim Reip for 2, Pats for 5 and BKK for 5. Aside from mongering I like to do some of the tourist thing. I'm looking at things to do in PP and starting to think I might have been ok with just a couple of days. Thoughts? What else can one do for a few days? Stop in one of the smaller towns on the way to SR? Looks like Kampong Thom is on the way. Anyone been?

Ideas welcome.

S[/QUOTE]Depends what you want to do in PP. But three days of sightseeing is enough to cover the major tourist bits. Siem Reap conversely needs four nights (so you have three days for the temples). As to Bangkok / Pattaya. Not much other than sex and more sex in Pattaya whilst Bangkok can easily take four / five for days for sightseeing. I'd spend a couple of extra days in N. Cambodia, take the bus to Battambang

And come back next day on a country boat. You will see more of Cambodia that way.

[QUOTE=SimonHeSays; 1364455]I booked 4 nights in PP. Then on to Seim Reip for 2, Pats for 5 and BKK for 5. Aside from mongering I like to do some of the tourist thing. I'm looking at things to do in PP and starting to think I might have been ok with just a couple of days. Thoughts? What else can one do for a few days? Stop in one of the smaller towns on the way to SR? Looks like Kampong Thom is on the way. Anyone been?

Ideas welcome.

S[/QUOTE]You got it about right Simon. You should have maybe done only 3 days in PP and 3 days in SR. 6 days in Pattaya and 4 days in BKK.

I arrived in PP from Bangkok at about 5pm so I spent the night there and mongered. Got up the next day and took 7am the van to SR. I went and saw Angkor W that same afternoon at about 3pm. They say to go before sundown to get the best pictures. (If you go in the morning the sun will be behind it so it will fuck up your photos.) Two hours walking around there is good. I paid the security guys $1 (think there were 5 guys) each to go all the way to the top. That night I went to check out all the P4P spots and ended up hitting a Viet chick in a fuck house. The next day I went to Bayon. I spent a long time there because there are 3 temples. My driver was going to take me to the third best complex but it started pouring rain so I had him take me back to the hotel.

The next morning I was on the bus back to PP. When I arrived that afternoon I had a driver take me to the genocide museum that used to be a school. That night I had a driver take me to all the bars and clubs that I saw mentioned on the forum. I still ended up getting a girl from Heart of Darkness again. The next morning at 11am the driver took me to the killing field. After that he took me back to the hotel to get my things and then to the airport for my flight back to Bangkok and home to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Simian; 1363705]After some of my disappointments with the bars near the riverside area, I went to a place in the same area I knew used to allow on-site activity. I was delighted to find out that they still do but I am guessing that they do not want it publicized. Correct me if I am wrong, but allowing on site sex usually gets a bar shut down pretty fast. If anyone wants to know where it is, they can PM me.

I went with 3 girls there on different nights. First was more than adequate, skinny girl who gave a great BJ. The second was a girl with the largest tits I have ever seen on an Asian girl. She was great fun and was horny. She is quite dark and it was like doing an african chick. The third I took back to my hotel and she was a happy hooker. The onsite room is a bit rough. She was horny and probably would have liked session 2 if only I was up to it. To all I gave $20 plus some tip money. You had to buy a girl a drink in the bar first. House rules. And pay a bar fine ($5 I think). There was a charge for the room too, if memory serves me right but it is $5 I think. There was only one girl who did not go with guys but the other girls told me that she was only there to have lady drinks. At least they were upfront about it.

What I liked about the place was that the girls are honest hookers and not playing games. They are real sluts, if you like that sort of thing. They are a bit short of customers and I was very welcome there. None of the girls were pissed off if I went with someone else the next night. It would be great for anyone who likes ST onsite. They claim they are open 24 hours but I am guessing that if you went there early morning you just might find a bunch of half asleep girls. But it might be a good place to check out for daytime action.[/QUOTE]

I had about 10 PMs from senior members concerning the on-site place I mentioned in a previous post. It indicates the level of interest in an on-site venue, expecially one that is open during the daytime. Maybe there is an operator or two out there looking to invest in something.

I have answered all PM inquiries about the except Knight 1001. Buddy, your PM box is full and I can't sent you messages.

[QUOTE=Simian; 1364557]I had about 10 PMs from senior members concerning the on-site place I mentioned in a previous post. It indicates the level of interest in an on-site venue, expecially one that is open during the daytime. Maybe there is an operator or two out there looking to invest in something.

I have answered all PM inquiries about the except Knight 1001. Buddy, your PM box is full and I can't sent you messages.[/QUOTE]Amen to that. By the time the night time scene kicks off, it's about 3 hours passed my bed time! Daytime is my right time.

I arrived in PP ex Singapore a few days ago and life is going well.

As you leave the PP Airport Customs Hall you are in unrestricted public space and there are many booths or kiosks selling local phone and data plans for the various telecom service providers.

I wanted a phone and data plan for 2-3 weeks with a good data capacity as I would be using the phone as the wifi connection to my tablet computer. I went to a kiosk selling plans on the "qb" network and one of the two guys showed me a couple of plans ($10 x 1 and 1 at $15) each with a one month life and rechargeable.

I took the $15 plan as it had much more data capacity than the $10 plan and the guy proceeded to install and initialise the local SIM card. To make sure I was fully operational, I tested the phone by ringing my daughter in Australia and that worked 100.

Where things did not work out was when we tried the data and internet connection. We did not get a connection when we tried google, yahoo or a specific web address that has lots of traffic, With a perfectly straight and believable face and manner, he said that PP has poor overcrowded internet access and to try again in 15 minutes. I tried another couple of times (unsuccessfully) and considered my options to be either to commit to the qb plan and do as he said OR abort the purchase as it was not able to deliver on the requirements. I was not high energy at the time so I paid the $15 and left. It was only later when I was travelling into PP city centre that I realised that I did not know what my new local phone number was and that I had no paperwork / copy of a contract or invoice. The only paper work was a brochure with some markings he had made on it.

I tried to access the internet many times over the next two days with the same lack of any success. I checked with the guest house where I am staying and they said internet access is never a problem and suggested I get a phone and data plan through MOBITEL. I did that at a major Mobitel branch / outlet. The customer service was excellent, I had a proper contract with SIM serial numbers, relevant local phone number, a phone connection that I tested at the time by ringing Australia and whats more, an internet connection that was fast and accessed there in the branch on the first and two other sample tests. The cream on the cake was that this full and effiecent service and plan cost me $11 compared with the $15 I paid for learning and experience. I am a very happy little peanut!

MORALS OF THE STORY: (!) Do not buy services on the "qb" network if you want a data plan or documentation of your plan / contract. (2) Stay with the major players / service providers and with that I fully recommend "cellcard" plans through Mobitel.

[QUOTE=Accounting;1365082]I fully recommend "cellcard" plans through Mobitel.[/QUOTE]+1 for cellcard, I have put it in my USB aircard and on to the laptop and it works fine even here in Sihanoukville. There is a kiosk for it at the airport, $1 for the SIM card and then you can top up and send INET1 (daily 200MB) , or INET2 (weekly 600MB) , etc. To 6767 and get your data package, see below (click on Mobile Internet tab). APN is "cellcard";

[url]http://www.cellcard.com.kh/en/service/data_3.5G_internet.php[/url]

The connection is far better than my hotel here. Though my hotel in PP had super broadband, almost 8Mbps download AND 8Mbps upload (better than my connection in London!).

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1353008]In Phnom Penh and as I expected after two massages I can say that a HJ is pretty well guaranteed. In one case after a 'balls massage' which rivaled the celebrated Rin in Bangkok.

Damn and after 40 minutes of erotic stimulation, I can't find the place again of Sisowath Quay.[/QUOTE]Sokuns Place, No:131 Sisowath Quay just round the corner from street 110 does reasonable massages followed by a hand job. But they want a $10 tip for the HJ, or $15-20 if they undo their clothes and let you have a grope. Bit expensive for me personally.

Last nice I had probably the strangest, or should I say: worst sex in my life. I went to 'Lemon' on St. 136, since it is close to my hotel. After I had their current beer special (Buy-1-get-1-free) I barfined ($7) a 21 yr. Old, extra slim 40 kg body with a beautiful, kind of Eurasian face. She didn't speak much English, and with the help of her 'sister'/another girl we settled on $30 for three hours. In the room she disappeared to take a shower and came back with her tiny tits exposed but everything below her chest tightly wrapped in the towel. She executed, for Cambo conditions at least, a really good, sometimes even deep, and long BJ, interrupting it only after some ten minutes by pointing at her cheeks. They hurt from long BJ, she said, and wanted me to fuck her. She opened the towel and laid there on her back like a Khmer stone statue, right out of Angkor what. When I reached around her waist and tried to grab her ass the skin felt really very strange, like a heavy burn or otherwise heavy injury. This is not good, I thought, she didn't move an inch and didn't let me see how her rear looks like. OK, it didn't prevent me from fucking her since I was horny from her BJ and needed to get some resolution to all of this. After I came she wrapped the towel around her waist, ran into the bathroom, came back, snuggled really nicely and super-close to me, and. Fell asleep. I had ample opportunity to contemplated what injury / disease she might have on her ass which, after a while started to really freak me out. I woke her up and told her she should leave since I want to go eat. (I had dinner already.) Without a word, and sleepy, she disappeared.

PS: Pretty much all girls in '136', 'Lemon', 'Oasis' are take-out, except for one from the latter which didn't want to go. ST: $30-50, 2-3 hrs.)

The oil massage. 1 hr, is $ 8. Aylin was the girls name, she is very nice and knows how to do stuff with her hands. She asked for $20 for the happy ending and was a little disappointed when I told her it would be $10. But she still performed a great HJ. She was willing to go out after her shift is over at 10 pm. The quote was $50, all night. She was nice and good looking but not good enough for that rate. Declined.

250 St / 63 St, Corner building ground floor.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter; 1365543]Last nice I had probably the strangest, or should I say: worst sex in my life. I went to 'Lemon' on St. 136, since it is close to my hotel. After I had their current beer special (Buy-1-get-1-free) I barfined ($7) a 21 yr. Old, extra slim 40 kg body with a beautiful, kind of Eurasian face. She didn't speak much English, and with the help of her 'sister'/another girl we settled on $30 for three hours. In the room she disappeared to take a shower and came back with her tiny tits exposed but everything below her chest tightly wrapped in the towel. She executed, for Cambo conditions at least, a really good, sometimes even deep, and long BJ, interrupting it only after some ten minutes by pointing at her cheeks. They hurt from long BJ, she said, and wanted me to fuck her. She opened the towel and laid there on her back like a Khmer stone statue, right out of Angkor what. When I reached around her waist and tried to grab her ass the skin felt really very strange, like a heavy burn or otherwise heavy injury. This is not good, I thought, she didn't move an inch and didn't let me see how her rear looks like. OK, it didn't prevent me from fucking her since I was horny from her BJ and needed to get some resolution to all of this. After I came she wrapped the towel around her waist, ran into the bathroom, came back, snuggled really nicely and super-close to me, and. Fell asleep. I had ample opportunity to contemplated what injury / disease she might have on her ass which, after a while started to really freak me out. I woke her up and told her she should leave since I want to go eat. (I had dinner already.) Without a word, and sleepy, she disappeared.

PS: Pretty much all girls in '136', 'Lemon', 'Oasis' are take-out, except for one from the latter which didn't want to go. ST: $30-50, 2-3 hrs.) [/QUOTE]I went to Lemon a couple of weeks ago and bought a couple of lady drinks for a 21 year old who could not speak any English (she was quite pretty) , but when it came down to barfine she insisted on $40 for short time, would not come down, even I was there for another drink and asked her a few times, you got lucky I guess or she realised nobody will be paying her asking price. (Although with that story I'm glad she didn't, that IS weird!)

Their buy 1 get one free draft beer is a good deal (also most bars want $10 bar fine). They should get busy after your post.

When you get the chance, seek out and watch a movie called 'After Hours'. There's a scene which will make you shudder, as you remember the Lemon gal.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter; 1365543]Last nice I had probably the strangest, or should I say: worst sex in my life. I went to 'Lemon' on St. 136, since it is close to my hotel. After I had their current beer special (Buy-1-get-1-free) I barfined ($7) a 21 yr. Old, extra slim 40 kg body with a beautiful, kind of Eurasian face. She didn't speak much English, and with the help of her 'sister'/another girl we settled on $30 for three hours. In the room she disappeared to take a shower and came back with her tiny tits exposed but everything below her chest tightly wrapped in the towel. She executed, for Cambo conditions at least, a really good, sometimes even deep, and long BJ, interrupting it only after some ten minutes by pointing at her cheeks. They hurt from long BJ, she said, and wanted me to fuck her. She opened the towel and laid there on her back like a Khmer stone statue, right out of Angkor what. When I reached around her waist and tried to grab her ass the skin felt really very strange, like a heavy burn or otherwise heavy injury. This is not good, I thought, she didn't move an inch and didn't let me see how her rear looks like. OK, it didn't prevent me from fucking her since I was horny from her BJ and needed to get some resolution to all of this. After I came she wrapped the towel around her waist, ran into the bathroom, came back, snuggled really nicely and super-close to me, and. Fell asleep. I had ample opportunity to contemplated what injury / disease she might have on her ass which, after a while started to really freak me out. I woke her up and told her she should leave since I want to go eat. (I had dinner already.) Without a word, and sleepy, she disappeared.

PS: Pretty much all girls in '136', 'Lemon', 'Oasis' are take-out, except for one from the latter which didn't want to go. ST: $30-50, 2-3 hrs.) [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Simian; 1364557].

I have answered all PM inquiries about the except Knight 1001. Buddy, your PM box is full and I can't sent you messages.[/QUOTE]Hi Bro,

Thanks for notifying me of the full inbox. I have made some space now if you want to PM me again.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Frankfurter; 1365543]Last nice I had probably the strangest, or should I say: worst sex in my life. I went to 'Lemon' on St. 136, since it is close to my hotel. After I had their current beer special (Buy-1-get-1-free) I barfined ($7) a 21 yr. Old, extra slim 40 kg body with a beautiful, kind of Eurasian face. She didn't speak much English, and with the help of her 'sister'/another girl we settled on $30 for three hours. In the room she disappeared to take a shower and came back with her tiny tits exposed but everything below her chest tightly wrapped in the towel. She executed, for Cambo conditions at least, a really good, sometimes even deep, and long BJ, interrupting it only after some ten minutes by pointing at her cheeks. They hurt from long BJ, she said, and wanted me to fuck her. She opened the towel and laid there on her back like a Khmer stone statue, right out of Angkor what. When I reached around her waist and tried to grab her ass the skin felt really very strange, like a heavy burn or otherwise heavy injury. This is not good, I thought, she didn't move an inch and didn't let me see how her rear looks like. OK, it didn't prevent me from fucking her since I was horny from her BJ and needed to get some resolution to all of this. After I came she wrapped the towel around her waist, ran into the bathroom, came back, snuggled really nicely and super-close to me, and. Fell asleep. I had ample opportunity to contemplated what injury / disease she might have on her ass which, after a while started to really freak me out. I woke her up and told her she should leave since I want to go eat. (I had dinner already.) Without a word, and sleepy, she disappeared.

PS: Pretty much all girls in '136', 'Lemon', 'Oasis' are take-out, except for one from the latter which didn't want to go. ST: $30-50, 2-3 hrs.) [/QUOTE]Do you remember her name?

Sorry, I can't remember her name. The more I think about this episode the more I feel sympathetic for her: Go figure what this means to be in her shoes when you have an injury or disease like that. This is like being a concert violinist who goes on stage fully knowing that he / she cannot play but hopes for the best and does some tap dancing.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter;1365980]Sorry, I can't remember her name. The more I think about this episode the more I feel sympathetic for her: Go figure what this means to be in her shoes when you have an injury or disease like that. This is like being a concert violinist who goes on stage fully knowing that he / she cannot play but hopes for the best and does some tap dancing.[/QUOTE]My guess would be burns. A lot of the girls get burns or injuries when they are kids as adult supervision is somewhat lacking. I'm surprised you didn't just gently turn her over and have a look. If it was just burns and you made sympathetic noises, she may have relaxed and warmed up a bit instead of doing the starfish act.

I've come across a variety of burns on legs and arms and quite a few moto injuries as well.

There are also a few deaf-mute girls working in the bars, and one very beautiful deaf-mute freelancer who hangs out at Golden Sorya Mall.

Hello mongers,

I live in Phnom Penh and I've read a dozen pages of this forum.

My impression is you guys are paying a bit too much but on the other side the going rates here have raised a lot in the last two years unlike in the rest of Cambo.

Said that, it has nothing to do with the cost of life here apart for a few things, it's all because of this new wave or rich tourists overpaying like crazy and I've witness mongers paying absolutely overboard for girls worth maybe 10$ a shag.

So, first of all, the bars in the riverside (104/110/118/130/136) :

I had a full time girlfriend working in one hostess so I think to know a bit the score.

Some of them indeed never go out with customers and are happy making some money with ladydrinks.

Consider their salary in a bar is usually 70$/month for 8hrs / day 6days / week, for each ladydrink (3$) they

Get 1. 25$ depending on the bar, an average girl can easily earn a couple ladydrinks per night, the good ones.

Can get up to 10 drinks, the bad ones go home with nothing, but don't worry their business is getting barfined.

(7-10$) or getting crazy tips from drinkers.

You may have wondered for instance how many of these bars can survive with 10 girls inside and maybe half a customer.

Drinking a coke.

Simple, they make a shitload of money with tips, there are crazy guys giving out 10-20$ or more for absolutely no special reason,

There are guys offering 10 or 20 ladydrink in a night (that's already 60$ and still no sex!) , guys asking the phone number of the girls.

And then taking them around the next day in luxurious places, again with crazy tips included and finally the ones who fell in love for

A girl and become their sponsor or buy them the latest iPad or iPhone or take her shopping around (100-200$ if gold is involved).

Now about the boomboom : there are excellent girls in the riverside but it's also one of the most expensive options in town!

I've read some of your message being shocked by girls in bars asking 50$ ST, well that's normal nowadays but it depends on many factors,

Some girls are fine with 20-30$ as anywhere else, but others are very picky and will not shag for less than 40-50$, basically if they

Don't like you they will ask you too much and even then they can be a starfish in bed, not to mention they could refuse BBBJ as well,

After all most of these girls don't start as hookers they just start with ladydrinks and only after some time they eventually switch

To full time or part time hookers because they see how easily the other girls make 100s of bucks, I can't blame them but

That's the way it is and by the way the young girls have it much more easy than the others, I know one cute girl 21 yrs old who does no BBBJ.

And no BB altogether and she asks 60-100$ LT take it or leave it and there's no shortage of customers for her and she has also 3 sponsors.

Conclusion : do whatever you want and have fun!

Just remember that these bars are a big ripoff in one way or another.

I would stick with the bars in 104 especially the Air Force Bar as the girls there have really a good attitude and don't ask crazy prices (20-30$ ST)

And if they like you they're usually happy to go around for dinner, disco, whatever, they're clean and don't do drugs and never make troubles.

At the moment, there's no way to pay less than 20$ ST and actually they usually start asking 30$ anyway.

IF you're a regular and you speak some khmer and they like you then it's a whole different story but don't expect to pay 10$ or to shag for free.

Free sex can be had outside working hours if she's really into you, but 10 or 15$ is next to impossible because it would be a loss of face for her.

Unless she knows you very well, in that case she will tell you to come when there's nobody like in the afternoon or when they're closing at 3AM.

Next chapter : freelancers.

Hello mongers,

I live in Phnom Penh and I've read a dozen pages of this forum.

My impression is you guys are paying a bit too much but on the other side the going rates here have raised a lot in the last two years unlike in the rest of Cambo.

Said that, it has nothing to do with the cost of life here apart for a few things, it's all because of this new wave or rich tourists overpaying like crazy and I've witness mongers paying absolutely overboard for girls worth maybe 10$ a shag.

So, first of all, the bars in the riverside (104/110/118/130/136) :

I had a full time girlfriend working in one hostess so I think to know a bit the score.

Some of them indeed never go out with customers and are happy making some money with ladydrinks.

Consider their salary in a bar is usually 70$/month for 8hrs / day 6days / week, for each ladydrink (3$) they

Get 1. 25$ depending on the bar, an average girl can easily earn a couple ladydrinks per night, the good ones.

Can get up to 10 drinks, the bad ones go home with nothing, but don't worry their business is getting barfined.

(7-10$) or getting crazy tips from drinkers.

You may have wondered for instance how many of these bars can survive with 10 girls inside and maybe half a customer.

Drinking a coke.

Simple, they make a shitload of money with tips, there are crazy guys giving out 10-20$ or more for absolutely no special reason,

There are guys offering 10 or 20 ladydrink in a night (that's already 60$ and still no sex!) , guys asking the phone number of the girls.

And then taking them around the next day in luxurious places, again with crazy tips included and finally the ones who fell in love for

A girl and become their sponsor or buy them the latest iPad or iPhone or take her shopping around (100-200$ if gold is involved).

Now about the boomboom : there are excellent girls in the riverside but it's also one of the most expensive options in town!

I've read some of your message being shocked by girls in bars asking 50$ ST, well that's normal nowadays but it depends on many factors,

Some girls are fine with 20-30$ as anywhere else, but others are very picky and will not shag for less than 40-50$, basically if they

Don't like you they will ask you too much and even then they can be a starfish in bed, not to mention they could refuse BBBJ as well,

After all most of these girls don't start as hookers they just start with ladydrinks and only after some time they eventually switch

To full time or part time hookers because they see how easily the other girls make 100s of bucks, I can't blame them but

That's the way it is and by the way the young girls have it much more easy than the others, I know one cute girl 21 yrs old who does no BBBJ.

And no BB altogether and she asks 60-100$ LT take it or leave it and there's no shortage of customers for her and she has also 3 sponsors.

Conclusion : do whatever you want and have fun!

Just remember that these bars are a big ripoff in one way or another.

I would stick with the bars in 104 especially the Air Force Bar as the girls there have really a good attitude and don't ask crazy prices (20-30$ ST)

And if they like you they're usually happy to go around for dinner, disco, whatever, they're clean and don't do drugs and never make troubles.

At the moment, there's no way to pay less than 20$ ST and actually they usually start asking 30$ anyway.

IF you're a regular and you speak some khmer and they like you then it's a whole different story but don't expect to pay 10$ or to shag for free.

Free sex can be had outside working hours if she's really into you, but 10 or 15$ is next to impossible because it would be a loss of face for her.

Unless she knows you very well, in that case she will tell you to come when there's nobody like in the afternoon or when they're closing at 3AM.

Next chapter : freelancers.

[QUOTE=MetaMonger; 1366167]Hello mongers,

I live in Phnom Penh and I've read a dozen pages of this forum.

My impression is you guys are paying a bit too much but on the other side the going rates here have raised a lot in the last two years unlike in the rest of Cambo.

. .

Just remember that these bars are a big ripoff in one way or another.

I would stick with the bars in 104 especially the Air Force Bar as the girls there have really a good attitude and don't ask crazy prices (20-30$ ST)

And if they like you they're usually happy to go around for dinner, disco, whatever, they're clean and don't do drugs and never make troubles.[/QUOTE]I agree with your assessment of the Riverside area bars but not in the case of street 104. My experiences with Air Force have already been reported in this forum and they were not good. I also took a girl out of another bar on 104 who was charming but no LT and higher price.

I think that the Phnom Penh riverside bar area is becoming like the Burgos Street in Manila. The girls and the bars have learned how to milk the tourist and there is far too much game-playing. PP is not yet at the level of Manila Burgos Street but it is rapidly heading in that direction. The very pretty young girls do not go with the customers because they get so much from lady drinks and only the older and not so fresh girls are available for take-out but only ST, unless LT happens to suit the girl at the time (bar closing time, customer staying in a really good hotel etc) and only for big money.

And every girl in Riverside starts her bidding at $50 or more for ST because there are so many foreigners who don't know the game and just pay whatever they are asked.

As in Manila, the best value for money is probably FL and sometimes the best experience is with a FL too.

[QUOTE=MetaMonger; 1366167]Hello mongers,

I live in Phnom Penh and I've read a dozen pages of this forum.

My impression is you guys are paying a bit too much but on the other side the going rates here have raised a lot in the last two years unlike in the rest of Cambo.

Said that, it has nothing to do with the cost of life here apart for a few things, it's all because of this new wave or rich tourists overpaying like crazy and I've witness mongers paying absolutely overboard for girls worth maybe 10$ a shag.

Next chapter : freelancers.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately this is the norm with lazy, non caring tourists who obviously do no research or have any idea forums such as ISG exist. Useful post, I look forward to the next chapter, MetaMonger.

[QUOTE=Noddy;1366945]Unfortunately this is the norm with lazy, non caring tourists who obviously do no research or have any idea forums such as ISG exist. Useful post, I look forward to the next chapter, MetaMonger.[/QUOTE]It's still much better than in Siem Reap where you have the absolute worst kind of tourists fresh off the airport with euros, yen, and wongs in their pockets.

Korean and Japanese are the kings of the hill in Phnom Penh and they're the favourite target of any decent working girl.

In my experience this type of overpaying tourists just don't care about the price, they care about the experience, they eventually seek the romance, they always value the look over substance or performance, they will rather overpay a starfish with good looks than a skilled sex worker with average look just to make some idiot photos on their iphone to show their friends back home.

The riverside bargirls are not targeting us well informed mongers, they love the newbies and the rich suckers as they're the only ones gullible enough to become also potential long-distance sponsors.

Said that, most of these girls are a lot less hardened that other girls in cheaper areas, some don't even do BBBJ and especially they don't do CIM.

To each his own, but the price they ask is absolutely ridicolous.

[QUOTE=Simian; 1366807]I agree with your assessment of the Riverside area bars but not in the case of street 104. My experiences with Air Force have already been reported in this forum and they were not good. I also took a girl out of another bar on 104 who was charming but no LT and higher price.

I think that the Phnom Penh riverside bar area is becoming like the Burgos Street in Manila. The girls and the bars have learned how to milk the tourist and there is far too much game-playing. PP is not yet at the level of Manila Burgos Street but it is rapidly heading in that direction. The very pretty young girls do not go with the customers because they get so much from lady drinks and only the older and not so fresh girls are available for take-out but only ST, unless LT happens to suit the girl at the time (bar closing time, customer staying in a really good hotel etc) and only for big money.

And every girl in Riverside starts her bidding at $50 or more for ST because there are so many foreigners who don't know the game and just pay whatever they are asked.

As in Manila, the best value for money is probably FL and sometimes the best experience is with a FL too.[/QUOTE]Girls in 104 quickly get down to heart when you tell them you live in PP and you speak some khmer.

But that's also the point where they realize they better stick with other customers as they know you're not going to pay them more than 20-30 bucks.

Some of them don't go out with customers at all, they're just there to score lady drinks.

Average monthly salary is 70$ (6 days per week) , for each lady drink they get 1. 25$ or 1. 5$

If they engage into kissing you deep throat, letting you touch her pussy, etc etc, she will ask you a tip of 1-2$

All in all they can easily make 10 or even 20 bucks per day without doing any sex and I can tell you in PP a salary.

Of 300$ is quite good considering these girls are often illiterate with no skills whatsoever and in massage shop.

They would be lucky to make 100$/month.

They tend to live in shitholes, often far away from downtown. 30 to 50$ per month, or they share an apartment.

You can rent for 150$/month with other 3-4 girls, I've seen a couple of them pretty grim scenario, it must be heaven when.

A rich customer take them to sleep in a 4-5 stars hotel.

Said that, these girls like to have fun, if they like you they're often glad to go out with you for a dinner or in disco or whatever.

Disco in particular (Heart, Pontoon) is one of their favourites as they're stuck every day in their damn bar and never go out too much.

One girl from Air Force for instance came in disco with us recently and had lots of fun and after she took my friend to her (shithole) house.

Where he shagged her for free, you see never say never. But it must be said my friend spent almost 50$ in drinks in her bar before and paid.

Her barfine as well.

As far as I see they use to ask 40-50$ ST, they will never go below 20$, maybe also to not lose face, it would be an insult to accept 5-10$

Like a street hooker, that's probably why they'll rather boomboom for free if they're really into you, but who knows anything goes in PP.

Some even ask 100$ for LT, it depends on many factors, there's no clear rule, the more your show off your wealth the more she will ask for.

Money, even older girls ask crazy prices or at least they try.

Many of the girls have a boyfriend back home, say 50% of them, and a baby or two back in the village.

So many have sponsors overseas, others dream of marrying a rich foreigner.

However it turns out, they are almost always not from Phnom Penh, and they make sure nobody in their hometown know they're hostess girls.

In PP.

Milking tourists : yes, that's exactly their business, and in the most active bars they're pressured by the bar owners to make you drink a lot.

Indeed their goal is scoring lady drinks rather than being barfined but it depends on the bar, some bars are like entering a crowded disco, others are

Very soft where you can sit and relax for hours, you must know where to go basically and the average tourists just don't have the time to explore much.

I wonder if the dozen or so posters reporting on the last few pages will be flamed for pointing out the same reality that I did months ago.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1367169]I wonder if the dozen or so posters reporting on the last few pages will be flamed for pointing out the same reality that I did months ago.[/QUOTE]Look, I can tell you where to shag for 4-5$ in Phnom Penh if price is the only issue, plenty of street hookers and carboard brothels not too far from the riverside, but unfortunately the bar scene has been killed by crazy tourists paying like there's no tomorrow.

Last I've heard this morning, a japanese yesterday night spending 300$ on drinks and lady drinks in 136 and still no sex (he went back to his hotel completely drunk and alone).

Now, with clients like this there's no surprise the girls don't give a shit about being barfined and if they do they start asking 50$ or 100$ a pop.

And how about the girls in the club Darling Darling at Nagaworld (casino) asking 150-250$ ST?

These prices are simply CRAZY completely out of proportion but PP is really changing fast, even rental prices in downtown are bollocks and what about NGO guys paying 2000$/month to rent a shit apartment in BKK1?

The pricing difference at the moment is astonishing, in one bar they can ask you 100$ and in the next one they can be ok for 20$ LT. But they smell newbies and tourist a mile away, it's up to you to know the score and it's not easy here, many things are really low profile especially the cheapest places, no signs, no girls calling you outside, no red lights. And yet maybe 10 girls upstairs offering sex for 3-4$ and 1 hr massage for 2$. I don't know why they make it so hard nowadays, in other places it's a lot more open air with no strings attached.

I read the other day in the New York times that somebody paid 55, 000, 000 for a condo in New york or L. A. Somebody had a place for sale for 78, 000, 000. Now that is over priced.

I am learning about what to expect next month so keep the information coming.

Among all the men paradises in SEA, Cambodia has the ugliest girls IMHO. I don't understand how some crazy Jap tourists could pay such money so some ugly girls.

[QUOTE=MetaMonger;1367237].Look, I can tell you where to shag for 4-5$ in Phnom Penh if price is the only issue, plenty of street hookers and carboard brothels not too far from the riverside, but unfortunately the bar scene has been killed by crazy tourists paying like there's no tomorrow.[/QUOTE]I strongly suggest that you share your places very carefully and definitely not in public, or they will be spoiled in no time.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1367503]I strongly suggest that you share your places very carefully and definitely not in public, or they will be spoiled in no time.[/QUOTE]Cardboard brothels. I'm there, man.

[quote=metamonger; 1367237]look, i can tell you where to shag for 4-5$ in phnom penh if price is the only issue, plenty of street hookers and carboard brothels not too far from the riverside, but unfortunately the bar scene has been killed by crazy tourists paying like there's no tomorrow.

last i've heard this morning, a japanese yesterday night spending 300$ on drinks and lady drinks in 136 and still no sex (he went back to his hotel completely drunk and alone).

now, with clients like this there's no surprise the girls don't give a shit about being barfined and if they do they start asking 50$ or 100$ a pop.

and how about the girls in the club darling darling at nagaworld (casino) asking 150-250$ st?

these prices are simply crazy completely out of proportion but pp is really changing fast, even rental prices in downtown are bollocks and what about ngo guys paying 2000$/month to rent a shit apartment in bkk1?

the pricing difference at the moment is astonishing, in one bar they can ask you 100$ and in the next one they can be ok for 20$ lt. but they smell newbies and tourist a mile away, it's up to you to know the score and it's not easy here, many things are really low profile especially the cheapest places, no signs, no girls calling you outside, no red lights. and yet maybe 10 girls upstairs offering sex for 3-4$ and 1 hr massage for 2$. i don't know why they make it so hard nowadays, in other places it's a lot more open air with no strings attached.[/quote]plenty of street hookers and cardboard brothels not too far from riverside? certainly not within walking distance! if so, you would have thought that some foreigners would have found their way to such places by now. and the "low profile" places for $3-$4? you are big on claims but very short on actual new info. i have been to so-called chicken farms in other parts of cambodia and never saw prices like that. do you think that such a local place would just charge a westerner such a low price? a local might get such a low price but definitely not a westerner.

quite few years ago you might have got a $5 bang in vietnamese brothel or a chicken farm far from phnom penh but now such places have gone to $10. most if not all of the cheap vietnamese brothels that used to be located not far from riverside are long gone. they were full of thieves anyway.

the girls in brothels or chicken farms generally do not speak any english and the conditions and hygiene are definitely wanting. and $10 is for one shot. the price may now be higher as i have not been around those places for about 2 years. by the way, these places were far from phnom penh where the prices are higher than everywhere else in cambodia. perhaps you can get it cheaper in some out of the way locations in cambodia but you would probably have to speak khmei to even find them let alone get access. and the conditions would be terrible, to say the least.

paying $20-25 or for a girl who is experienced with foreigners and gives them the kind of service they want and who has mastered some hygiene standards, where you can fuck in the comfort of your own hotel room, in the massage place or in the one or two places where there is a relatively clean back room with shower is a far more comfortable and secure experience than a $10 fuck in some cardboard place or chicken farm or local brothel where you don't know if someone is going to rob you.

when dealing with chicken farms, i always took along a local or a locally based expat who i could trust for security and usually had the girl taken to my hotel overnight. i avoided anyone that even appeared to be **** and stayed away from a place that i suspected had trafficed girls there against their will.

one hotel (since shut down) used to send out for several girls from the chicken farm for me to choose one. my experience with these ladies were very varied, from absolutely wonderful (from a girl who could not speak a word of english) to terrible. some of these girls were used to the fast and furious sex with locals and could not understand that foreigners want to take their time and enjoyed a long bj etc. these places were all far far away from phnom penh.

mm, if you have info, provide it. streets, addresses or locations. this is what the forum is about. if the info is too sensitive and you think that the police might pick up on it in the open forum, you can get a membership so that people can pm you for such sensitive info. but just waving around some claims about cheap sex that no one can even sample let alone check whether it is true, helps nobody.

[QUOTE=MetaMonger; 1367151]she took my friend to her (shithole) house.

Where he shagged her for free, you see never say never. But it must be said my friend spent almost 50$ in drinks in her bar before and paid.

Her barfine as well.[/QUOTE]This also makes me laugh when some guys say we bang this and that chick for free (or for taxi money) , while they already spend more than her fees on drinks and other stuff. And of course they continue to do that every week (so the girls know the money stream continue). Even they say this girl accept this low amount and so on, but forget to say how much they spend on the side and in addition.

I remember a Thai girl who asked me to bring her a perfume from UK costing £30 (she send me the web link) , then she asked for 1000 Baht for ST (her real price is 2500 Baht of course, but she is very fair in her dealings and did the subtraction quickly) , so should I say I banged a real hottie (9. 5 in all aspects) for a 1000!

[QUOTE=Uzinuzin;1367726]I remember a Thai girl who asked me to bring her a perfume from UK costing £30 (she send me the web link) , then she asked for 1000 Baht for ST (her real price is 2500 Baht of course, but she is very fair in her dealings and did the subtraction quickly) , so should I say I banged a real hottie (9. 5 in all aspects) for a 1000![/QUOTE]Did you tell her no? It seems many of you guys are afraid to say no to a woman because you don't want to make her upset because then she may not fuck you. Any woman knows that when she asks me to bring something that she should follow it with,"I will give you the money for it." Without those words then her chances of getting what she asks is virtually 0. In your case you essentially got the money for it because she knocked it off what she usually charges you. (2500 baht for a chick who you deal with on an ongoing basis? Gee dude.)

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1367751]Did you tell her no? It seems many of you guys are afraid to say no to a woman because you don't want to make her upset because then she may not fuck you. Any woman knows that when she asks me to bring something that she should follow it with,"I will give you the money for it." Without those words then her chances of getting what she asks is virtually 0. In your case you essentially got the money for it because she knocked it off what she usually charges you. (2500 baht for a chick who you deal with on an ongoing basis? Gee dude.)[/QUOTE]You are correct, and I no longer get to see her as she started realizing her potential and asking for large sums, she now also travels to Hong Kong and Singapore on occasion where guys sending her the ticket and ship her over for a week or two of intensive fun, she comes back with so much money she told me she will be buying a flat soon?

[QUOTE=Jonlittle;1367498]Among all the men paradises in SEA, Cambodia has the ugliest girls IMHO. I don't understand how some crazy Jap tourists could pay such money so some ugly girls.[/QUOTE]Maybe for the novelty? And if you don't like khmer girls there's plenty of vietnamese girls.

Yesterday evening I was riding on Str. 70, there were maybe 20-30 street girls at all, unlike a few weeks ago they ALL asked 10$ and only one agreed on BBBJ, one girl had the guts to say in good english that "nobody gnam-gnam" which is pure BS, only one agreed to shag for 7$ but then I refused as I just wanted to check the prices and she looked like shit anyway.

By the way, there's a wooden house on the left side of the road (str. 70) if you come from the roundabout at the end of Monivong. 3 girls inside and they all ask 10$ non negotiable, not worth it as the place has the typical "chicke farm" look & feel and the girls were rubbish to say the least.

Ended up getting a 2. 5$ khmer massage near the port + 2$ happy ending, really rock bottom place, I'll never go back again and in any case I went there just because I like the thrill of finding alternative places, there were not even rooms, just beds separated by a curtain, loud TVs and music on cell phones, girls screaming to each other, classic rock bottom affair, the girl even complained because when I cum I sprayed some drops on her jeans and on the bed, hahaha, the massage was amateur to say the least.

I'm wasting time and money with these places, with 7$ you can get a good oil massage in many real massage parlours (but no happy ending apart rare cases) and you'll go home smelling good rather than smelling like shit, no value for money in most of these 2$ massages and it gets boring going over and over in my 3-4 favourite ones.

[quote=simian; 1367690]plenty of street hookers and cardboard brothels not too far from riverside? certainly not within walking distance! if so, you would have thought that some foreigners would have found their way to such places by now. and the "low profile" places for $3-$4? you are big on claims but very short on actual new info. i have been to so-called chicken farms in other parts of cambodia and never saw prices like that. do you think that such a local place would just charge a westerner such a low price? a local might get such a low price but definitely not a westerner.

quite few years ago you might have got a $5 bang in vietnamese brothel or a chicken farm far from phnom penh but now such places have gone to $10. most if not all of the cheap vietnamese brothels that used to be located not far from riverside are long gone. they were full of thieves anyway.

the girls in brothels or chicken farms generally do not speak any english and the conditions and hygiene are definitely wanting. and $10 is for one shot. the price may now be higher as i have not been around those places for about 2 years. by the way, these places were far from phnom penh where the prices are higher than everywhere else in cambodia. perhaps you can get it cheaper in some out of the way locations in cambodia but you would probably have to speak khmei to even find them let alone get access. and the conditions would be terrible, to say the least.

paying $20-25 or for a girl who is experienced with foreigners and gives them the kind of service they want and who has mastered some hygiene standards, where you can fuck in the comfort of your own hotel room, in the massage place or in the one or two places where there is a relatively clean back room with shower is a far more comfortable and secure experience than a $10 fuck in some cardboard place or chicken farm or local brothel where you don't know if someone is going to rob you.

when dealing with chicken farms, i always took along a local or a locally based expat who i could trust for security and usually had the girl taken to my hotel overnight. i avoided anyone that even appeared to be **** and stayed away from a place that i suspected had trafficed girls there against their will.

one hotel (since shut down) used to send out for several girls from the chicken farm for me to choose one. my experience with these ladies were very varied, from absolutely wonderful (from a girl who could not speak a word of english) to terrible. some of these girls were used to the fast and furious sex with locals and could not understand that foreigners want to take their time and enjoyed a long bj etc. these places were all far far away from phnom penh.

mm, if you have info, provide it. streets, addresses or locations. this is what the forum is about. if the info is too sensitive and you think that the police might pick up on it in the open forum, you can get a membership so that people can pm you for such sensitive info. but just waving around some claims about cheap sex that no one can even sample let alone check whether it is true, helps nobody.[/quote]low profile places are khmer / viet massages that don't even have a sign outside, all you see is a couple girls in pijama or even 3-4 boys sitting outside, no red lights, nothing.

you'll have to speak some khmer and upstairs they've some girls doing the usual 2$ massage + happy ending (1-2$ tip, up to you, some don't ask any tips).

cardboard brothels are a bit more tricky, foreigners arent allowed into all brothels, girls will refuse you entrance or tell you they do nothing.

i know of three brothels in the port area (northern end of sisowath quay) , all vietnamese and price ranges from 6 to 10$ negotiable, but it's 5$ for khmers.

quality is very low but in one of these i found a very energetic viet girl she does great bbbj and good boomboom, the other two were depressing, lurid, smelling bad, and better to be avoided.

honestly i've given up with these low budget operations, but it was fun while it lasted.

chicken farms : the one in sihanoukville is still running and they all ask 5$ +1$ tip (been there a few months ago).

there are certainly some chicken farms in the extreme suburbs of pp but i'll have to investigate further, my impression is pp tends to be a lot more low profile than smaller towns and in any case i can't see the point in driving half an hour to shag a 5$ girl in a bamboo hut.

terrible conditions? no, they're just normal countryside wooden homes, that's the way they live, no more no less.

they look terrible in comparison to western standards, of course, and they shower khmer-style with a bucket of water on the head.

said that, you can pick your girl and take her into your hotel, have a long shower together and she's alright.

you'll not believe how many of the freelancers you see in str. 51 or walkabout live in the ugly suburbs in shitholes where they pay 30-40$/month, how's that different from the chicken farms?

two days ago we went in the "house" of a nice girl working in a bar in 136, it's near the royal palace inside a courtyard, maybe 20 square meters, toilet outside, barely enough space for her bed (matress on the floor) and a wardrobe. 50$/month, and then in the bar she will ask no less than 40$ st and she has one sponsor in uk!

as for security, if in doubt go there in the afternoon when there's few or zero customers.

i've never had problems but at one point i was a regular so to speak, i met a couple of the girls also in bars, they know me and we became friends, one of them used to stay with me lt all day for just 10$ and she invited me often to eat khmer and drink with the other ladies in their shack.

the only ones exploiting the girls are the fucking mamasans, they're greedy snakes, and yes many girls have to pay back money to them, indeed is a good idea to take the girl out or the mamasans are happy to disturb or even knock the door after 5-10 minutes, happened to me twice.

the only real risk comes if after boomboom you go by night in the bars of the chicken farms, plenty of crazy drunken khmers on yaba looking for trouble or wanting to steal your moto or just have some fun against a barang, avoid it.

quality : indeed, as you've noticed barely 10-20% of the chicken girls are any good, it takes time and luck to find the diamond in the rough, i can't think this is something tourists can afford unless they go there every other day.

infos : i've no idea about chicken farms in pp, i'm sure there's something but so far i've yet to explore the outer suburbs.

i can only tell about snooky and i recommend the chicken farm there but it ain't a place for everybody!

Here is my update on a few 130 St / 136 St. Bars:

'Lemon':

Nice small bar, girl's for take- out, however read my earlier post about my experience with one good looking 21-yr. Old. Cheap bar fine: $7.

'Oasis':

A bar I like, however I was unsuccessful to convince a good looking, hot girl to go with me. I went a second time and she said that she would go with me when I return tomorrow. Well, that never happened of course.

'Candy Bar':

Probably the largest bar with the most girls. Open 24 hours. When you enter some ten girls will approach quickly and stand around your table, word- and smile-less, creepy in a way. Once I tried to pay with a ten $ bill and the mamasan said the money is 'no good'. (It was a 1963 series bill.) The bar is a rip-off joint, stay away.

'Hooters':

I like this bar. Except for the two lady managers the girls don't have big tits like one would expect from the name. Free pool table, girls are happy to play. Pretty much all girls are take-out, except for one stunner who sometimes comes in when it gets boring for her at her house. She is married to a guy from Holland. I barfined ($10 / day) a girl for a three-day motorcycle trip from this place which was an entirely satisfying experience.

'Blue Room':

Small bar, bare-bones comfort level, the (not very pretty) girls tend to play with customers cocks, after enough lady drinks. That's about it. I didn't go back.

'136 Bar':

Another bar I like. Sometimes live music on stage. Nice girls, better looking. I like the layout of the bar.

'Sharky':

American style bar, could be in Key West, FL, or somewhere else in the US. If you want a quick drink and listen to some life music (on weekends only) the place is OK. Mediocre Tex-Mex food. In regards to girls, which means bar and wait staff and service girls, the place has without any doubt a cast of the oldest and ugliest girls I've seen in this area. If you are into scratching the bottom of the barrel, this place is for you.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter; 1368765]Here is my update on a few 130 St / 136 St. Bars:

'Lemon':

Nice small bar, girl's for take- out, however read my earlier post about my experience with one good looking 21-yr. Old. Cheap bar fine: $7.

'Oasis':

A bar I like, however I was unsuccessful to convince a good looking, hot girl to go with me. I went a second time and she said that she would go with me when I return tomorrow. Well, that never happened of course.

'Candy Bar':

Probably the largest bar with the most girls. Open 24 hours. When you enter some ten girls will approach quickly and stand around your table, word- and smile-less, creepy in a way. Once I tried to pay with a ten $ bill and the mamasan said the money is 'no good'. (It was a 1963 series bill.) The bar is a rip-off joint, stay away.

'Hooters':

I like this bar. Except for the two lady managers the girls don't have big tits like one would expect from the name. Free pool table, girls are happy to play. Pretty much all girls are take-out, except for one stunner who sometimes comes in when it gets boring for her at her house. She is married to a guy from Holland. I barfined ($10 / day) a girl for a three-day motorcycle trip from this place which was an entirely satisfying experience.

'Blue Room':

Small bar, bare-bones comfort level, the (not very pretty) girls tend to play with customers cocks, after enough lady drinks. That's about it. I didn't go back.

'136 Bar':

Another bar I like. Sometimes live music on stage. Nice girls, better looking. I like the layout of the bar.

'Sharky':

American style bar, could be in Key West, FL, or somewhere else in the US. If you want a quick drink and listen to some life music (on weekends only) the place is OK. Mediocre Tex-Mex food. In regards to girls, which means bar and wait staff and service girls, the place has without any doubt a cast of the oldest and ugliest girls I've seen in this area. If you are into scratching the bottom of the barrel, this place is for you.[/QUOTE]Sharkly is in decline since a long time, and by the way the girls there are all freelancers, that's why many of them are skunks or fugly.

Candy Bar, indeed a ripoff as they always try to doctor the bill! However, if you just drink a draft beer you should be on the safe side,

It's not a bad place upstairs and it's one of the few bars open 24hr.

Lemon / Oasis : I know 4 bargirls there, but let me say not all the girls there are available for take-away, they will also ask you crazy prices.

Like 50$ ST or 100$ LT, half of them have a khmer or barang boyfriend + sponsors, many are just fine making a few dollars with lady drinks, they're not.

Hardened hookers at all and often they will refuse to be barfined if they don't like a customer or if they're just not in a good mood for whatever.

Silly reason, their whole life is a soap opera full of drama and they tend to hate each other girl and every bar has of course its own "queen bee", hahaha.

BTW, how is it that you have not seen this in Thailand? Girls in the bar there have asked for lady drinks as many years that I have travelled to LOS and remember going to the bars there.[/QUOTE] from ISG Member Uzinuzin 12-23-2012.


I would guess the answer is we travel in differently in Thailand and not to the same bars. I have been traveling in SE Asia & Thailand since 1992, North Asia since 1977, lived there for over 8 years. I guess things have changed since 2009 or perhaps maybe it is time to "get off the beaten tourist path in Thailand"? Last time in Thailand, never ran into bar girls asking for lady drinks and then refusing to go out. That is the point I am making "they are really not in the business" they are there to get money, not to provide sexual service. They are interested in making easy money from those naive enough to hand it out. Why leave the bar for two hours or a night and miss out on that free cash? Once they ask you for a lady drink, you know they are likely not in the business. A way to find out, ask them to go immediately. The bar girls did not think up this scheme the bar owners did and they all make a lot of money from it. If a person is looking for a short or long time perhaps they should hunt where it exists, this is the point I am making. Or a person could just hang out buying lady drinks hoping for the best, not for me, my time is too valuable. When you walk into a bar and they ask for a lady drink you should know you are wrong place if you are mongering. So it looks like our experiences are just different in Thailand, ISG member Uzinuzin, and that is just fine. Good Day!

[QUOTE=Dragon1423;1369529]BTW, how is it that you have not seen this in Thailand? Girls in the bar there have asked for lady drinks as many years that I have travelled to LOS and remember going to the bars there.[/QUOTE]I think you missed the main point of what he said.

[QUOTE=Uzinuzin]Last time in Thailand, never ran into bar girls asking for lady drinks [b]and then refusing to go out.[/b][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dragon1423;1369529]Once they ask you for a lady drink, you know they are likely not in the business. A way to find out, ask them to go immediately. The bar girls did not think up this scheme the bar owners did and they all make a lot of money from it. If a person is looking for a short or long time perhaps they should hunt where it exists, this is the point I am making. Or a person could just hang out buying lady drinks hoping for the best, not for me, my time is too valuable. When you walk into a bar and they ask for a lady drink you should know you are wrong place if you are mongering.[/QUOTE]It's a bit more complex than that, at least in PP.

In most of the bars at least 50% are willing to ST, some do only ST and other do both ST and LT.

The other girls are often newbies and only do lady drinks, so of course they're a bit more aggressive considering they only get paid 1$ or 1. 25$ for each lady drink (you pay 3$ or whatever).

Then you have the girls who refuse ST / LT because they're on their period, or because they're tired, sick, whatever reason, or simply because they don't LIKE YOU, yes I know a few bargirls who are very selective on who they shag and it's not based on the price you offer, not at all.

Some girls boomboom every night, others are ok having sex just once a week, they don't give a shit actually as with 3-4 customers a month they're already earning a GOOD salary and back home they've their boyfriend and their baby.

So, what's the plus in wasting time in bars? Strictly speaking bargirls are not "hardened" as the freelancers and not desperate as the street hookers and considering they don't boomboom they're relatively "safer" and in case of troubles you can go back to the bar and complain with the owner.

Every bar has strict rules about this, stealing to customers is forbidden for example and they're fired on the spot if a customer complains and then it turns out the girl did some crazy shit, this means she'll not find another job in the nearby bars and she will have to go elsewhere or in another city or start freelancing (martini, walkabout, sorya / 51, etc).

And finally, MOST of the bargirls have one or more sponsors, that means hundreds of dollars per month doing NOTHING, and that's the reason they're so lazy relaxed and not hardened and can turn down customers they don't like.

Hi all,

I'm returning soon to PP and was wondering whether more news is available for daytime BBBJ. I RTFF but not much has come up. Looking for a daytime massage (no HJ but BBBJ most welcome hehe) or a girlie bar with an on site room for a quickie during daytime.

I will of course go about in the evenings but sometimes my little friend needs some action during daytime. I know most of the usual places so any new places are welcome. Anybody has some info on the "happy man bar"?

Info much appreciated and I will report here.

[QUOTE=Dragon1423;1369529]I would guess the answer is we travel in differently in Thailand and not to the same bars. ., ., ., So it looks like our experiences are just different in Thailand,[/QUOTE]That might be true, I was in Patong, Phuket for about 2 months Oct, Nov 2012 and also a few weeks about the same time in 2011 (and previous years) , I can tell you the girls are really loaded down there, and over the years I see more and more of the young hot ones just have lady drinks and don't go with customers. Not just me, even with young, good looking guys who spend money like there's no tomorrow (so money is not the issue!).

Living in PP has been great, compared to living in Pattaya; where I recently visited, but that's another story.

I've been mongering around S. E. A. For about 10 years now, lived near Pattaya for 3 years and going on 7 years in PP. I thought it was the end of PP when K11 got closed down, my home away from home, but things have just got better and better.

First is you need to speak K'mai and the same for Thailand this opens doors to a different world. All the Barangs going to all the well known spots spending good money on used goods.

Cambodian girls love white guys fact, most girls are virgins until marriage fact, and if you can speak K'mai and have Khmer friends you can get some fine girls that aren't used up. A lot of them need training, but they are willing students.

Since a good Khmer friend of mine taught me how to talk to the girls and the lines to use on them, it's like the flood gates have been opened. I get a new virgin or slightly used girl every 2-3 months. It costly, well not really $200-$500 at first, but after you have her. She is cheap and clean not bagging it, no more drippy dick.

At present I have 5 girlfriends and working on 2 virgins; most of my girlfriends know about each other now. No problem, it's a good thing because if one does anal, or something else they all want to do to win me over. Some, one is like a Thai girl and I have to be careful about her, but the others, just don't talk about them.

I still go out with my friends and get new stuff too, last one wanted $50, but she only had one guy before me. Expats would never see her because she was in a VIP Karaoke. Beer gardens you can find some really nice girls too. My rule is 18-24 then your out the door.

I still go to Thailand too, was in BKK last week, that's another post.

Really though most guys coming to Cambodia for a few weeks, if your mongering it's not the best, Thailand and the Philippines I'd say are better, but not cheaper. Your selection isn't as good here either.

I lived in Thailand and can tell you living in Cambodia does have it's advantages, especially if you know the right people.

Yes, yes, it is a pain training new girls, but everyone of my girls does anal and wants CIM after. They knew nothing about sex to start so nothing was taboo. I'm lucky I got the time to train them.

Next maybe my own place so all my monger friends can enjoy the fruits of the land, well not my own place 100% have to have a partner in business and that's another post.

See you in BKK in March, Soi Cowboy.

Our first night we walked the riverfront two days in a row but didn't see anything. I had one hag approach me and I wasn't sure what she wanted and wasn't going to stick around long enough to find out. Asked me if I was with family so it was definitely sex related. Maybe a mama? I will see if she's outb there again today. We ended up at a 104th Street which google calls Seng Thuon. Between 102 and 106. It's a short street.

First place was Airport and the pickings were rough. It was Thursday night so ration was way in favor of mongers. This changed considerably Friday night. Next stop was Rose which is across the street. Rose had some stunners and I ended up picking one up for $10 BF and $40 for the girl. It was ST, a couple of hours but the girl was a stunner and a whole lot of fun. We went there Friday night and there was still a lot fo girls but the good ones seem to have been taken out already.

We went to a few places along 136th and there were the occasional stunner but I think the good ones were already taken. I almost grabbed one but she started with the rules before I even decided and her English was non-existant. Quoted 50 for ST 80 for LT. I would have needed to BF the translator. Years of mongering has taught me that the language thing can be used to the girls advantage when you get back to the hotel so you need to make sure all's on the table before you commit.

There is definitely more available here than in Vietnam or at least it's recognizable. The girls are pretty in their own way. A much more varied selection of looks than in Vietnam. Half the guys like it here better than the Philippines. I don't have enough experience yet to make that call.

I finally took a day off although I almost got a happy ending massage. I passed. My cock was telling me that he needed a break.

[QUOTE=Accounting; 1365082]I arrived in PP ex Singapore a few days ago and life is going well.

As you leave the PP Airport Customs Hall you are in unrestricted public space and there are many booths or kiosks selling local phone and data plans for the various telecom service providers.

I wanted a phone and data plan for 2-3 weeks with a good data capacity as I would be using the phone as the wifi connection to my tablet computer. I went to a kiosk selling plans on the "qb" network and one of the two guys showed me a couple of plans ($10 x 1 and 1 at $15) each with a one month life and rechargeable.

MORALS OF THE STORY: (!) Do not buy services on the "qb" network if you want a data plan or documentation of your plan / contract. (2) Stay with the major players / service providers and with that I fully recommend "cellcard" plans through Mobitel.[/QUOTE]I got my Hello Axiata sim at the first kiosk. No problems.

[QUOTE=GooberMonger; 1377701]Living in PP has been great, compared to living in Pattaya; where I recently visited, but that's another story.

I've been mongering around S. E. A. For about 10 years now, lived near Pattaya for 3 years and going on 7 years in PP. I thought it was the end of PP when K11 got closed down, my home away from home, but things have just got better and better.

First is you need to speak K'mai and the same for Thailand this opens doors to a different world. All the Barangs going to all the well known spots spending good money on used goods.

Cambodian girls love white guys fact, most girls are virgins until marriage fact, and if you can speak K'mai and have Khmer friends you can get some fine girls that aren't used up. A lot of them need training, but they are willing students.

Since a good Khmer friend of mine taught me how to talk to the girls and the lines to use on them, it's like the flood gates have been opened. I get a new virgin or slightly used girl every 2-3 months. It costly, well not really $200-$500 at first, but after you have her. She is cheap and clean not bagging it, no more drippy dick.

At present I have 5 girlfriends and working on 2 virgins; most of my girlfriends know about each other now. No problem, it's a good thing because if one does anal, or something else they all want to do to win me over. Some, one is like a Thai girl and I have to be careful about her, but the others, just don't talk about them.

I still go out with my friends and get new stuff too, last one wanted $50, but she only had one guy before me. Expats would never see her because she was in a VIP Karaoke. Beer gardens you can find some really nice girls too. My rule is 18-24 then your out the door.

I still go to Thailand too, was in BKK last week, that's another post.

Really though most guys coming to Cambodia for a few weeks, if your mongering it's not the best, Thailand and the Philippines I'd say are better, but not cheaper. Your selection isn't as good here either.

I lived in Thailand and can tell you living in Cambodia does have it's advantages, especially if you know the right people.

Yes, yes, it is a pain training new girls, but everyone of my girls does anal and wants CIM after. They knew nothing about sex to start so nothing was taboo. I'm lucky I got the time to train them.

Next maybe my own place so all my monger friends can enjoy the fruits of the land, well not my own place 100% have to have a partner in business and that's another post.

See you in BKK in March, Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]You might want to pay the small entrance fee so people can contact you. I've been running with mongers for a while and there's no shortage of guys looking for business opportunities.

Spent 3 days there last week and left with this opinion. The city is a dump. It does have possabilities but I will be dead before that. The farther you get away from the river the worse it is. But the river front is OK.

Traffic is a joke. Tuk tuk drivers are not licensed so they just drive. Everywhere and anywhere. They cross in front of you and drive in the middle of the traffic lanes. They do have lanes marked but I guess they are only a suggestion. Better to take you part out the middle as someone might pull over on the side and stop, blocking traffic. Traffic lights must be expensive as they are only t what looks like major intersections. So turn in front of cars, or what ever. We used to cal this a Chinese fire drill. What it really looks like is kids on a play ground at a school at recess. All over the place and just running around.

It is cheap. Beer can be had for a dollar a glass. Coke is 1. 00 up to 1. 50 US depending on the place. Food is very reasonable to cheap.

Walkabout hotel is a dump. Open to the outside and old wooden tables and chairs. Forget it.

Better parts. See the prison S21. Interesting, but get a guide. The Killing fields is Ok but remember it is more about emotion as mostly holes in the ground and bone fragments in containers ffor safe keeping.

Street 104 and 136. Be careful at Candy bar as I heard it has a lot of LB working there. I was in Rose and Air force bar. Pulled from Rose for 10 plus 50 for ST. I thought the cutes little 85 pounds I had seen in the place. Said 23 and offered I'd. Looks 18. If want name PM me. I I would recommend them but many other places to see on 104. One girl came out of another bar and was very good looking.

136 has a few places that were mentioned here before also. Lemon, oasis and maybe the one next to the Golden house hotel.

Stayed at Golden house hotel. Good location. Place was clean and breakfast included. Smaller room with bathroom, TV and bed. Very decent for $30. 00 a night. Would go back there if ever go again.

Massage, at least foot massage was cheap. 7 to 8 us covers 1 hour.

Return would be not likely unless taking the river cruise to ho chi menh city. Busses are cheap all over so a good way to travel if you can.

Forgot to mention immigration at the airport. Another Chinese fire drill. No lines just rush the desk. Pay the visa fee. Move over to the side and wait with all the others as they process the visa. You are standing with all the others on the plane and a guy calls your name when it is ready. No rhyme or reason to who gets processed first. Doesn't speak loud and holds up your passport with picture showing. Now if at back of line might be awhile because might not be able to see picture or hear your name with Cambodian accent. It is a fun thing to watch

[QUOTE=GooberMonger;1377701]but everyone of my girls does anal and wants CIM after[/QUOTE]I wasn't going to say anything until I see someone added this to a report of distinction! LOL?

It is hard to believe that with some Khmer you can get multiple virgin girlfriends and sleep with them at your heart's content and let them know about each other too. They love to compete? Yeh, they do. In addition you can bang them in ass and come in their mouth too! LOL, that is more sounds like a fantasy. But hey, I like to read it. I like to read novels too.

They should put this post right up there at the top of Cambodian tourist board ads, nice one!

[QUOTE=Mackin;1378265]Forgot to mention immigration at the airport. Another Chinese fire drill. No lines just rush the desk. Pay the visa fee. Move over to the side and wait with all the others as they process the visa. You are standing with all the others on the plane and a guy calls your name when it is ready. No rhyme or reason to who gets processed first. Doesn't speak loud and holds up your passport with picture showing. Now if at back of line might be awhile because might not be able to see picture or hear your name with Cambodian accent. It is a fun thing to watch[/QUOTE]Very quick to criticise a country you obviously know little about because you judge it purely on western standards.

Getting a visa is a damn sight easier than trekking up to an embassy, waiting days and paying a fortune.

As to the rest of your earlier post. Just an ill-judged winge. Apart from your rightful comment on Walkabout.

[quote=uzinuzin; 1378855]i wasn't going to say anything until i see someone added this to a report of distinction! lol?

it is hard to believe that with some khmer you can get multiple virgin girlfriends and sleep with them at your heart's content and let them know about each other too. they love to compete? yeh, they do. in addition you can bang them in ass and come in their mouth too! lol, that is more sounds like a fantasy. but hey, i like to read it. i like to read novels too.

they should put this post right up there at the top of cambodian tourist board ads, nice one![/quote]uzi, i shit you not mate. i learnt this art i'll call it from the khmer men who are some of the best mongers around and i don't know too many that don't screw around on their wives. if you have the money you can play the game, if your khmer. if your white you don't need a lot of money, just some good acting skills.

it is a bit of a scary game and one can get themselves in hot water to say the least. more along the lines of being charged for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. oh, yes, but not from her, but by her family making her charge you, because you have just taken away all the value of their daughter. so, my khmer friend told me to make sure you do the deed lol at a hotel or gh and have her sign in with you to cover your ass.

Well put the pussy up where your mouth has been. One of my custom fit, never seen another cock. I'll call it a Khmer fit. LOL.

Yes, Uzi this is one of them had her since she was 18 now 20. I've turned her into a monster, she gets wet from just a little kiss on the neck. Nothin turns me on more than puttin my hand down there and her pussy is just dripping wet. Damn, I'm gettin wood. Going to have to roll her over and pound it it her ass after I'm done this post.

Damn, I've seen some other post guys guys they got a * that looks like it went thru a hamburger grinder and seen more dick ends than week ends. LOL

Cheers,

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1378861]Very quick to criticise a country you obviously know little about because you judge it purely on western standards.

Getting a visa is a damn sight easier than trekking up to an embassy, waiting days and paying a fortune.

As to the rest of your earlier post. Just an ill-judged winge.[/QUOTE]Whilst getting a visa is easy, his comments about the total lack of organisation at immigration ring totally true by all countries standards not just western.

Last trip I was there, myself, a few japanese girls and a couple others lined up to submit passports.

The guy completing the passports then literally threw them all in one heap to the guy doing the next part of the process. They all ended up on the floor. No one gave a shit.

Thats totally wrong by all standards. No need to stick up for the countries lack of care by claiming its cultural or can't be judged by "western standards". A lack of care and disrepect is exactly that.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1379442]Whilst getting a visa is easy, his comments about the total lack of organisation at immigration ring totally true by all countries standards not just western.

Last trip I was there, myself, a few japanese girls and a couple others lined up to submit passports.

The guy completing the passports then literally threw them all in one heap to the guy doing the next part of the process. They all ended up on the floor. No one gave a shit.

Thats totally wrong by all standards. No need to stick up for the countries lack of care by claiming its cultural or can't be judged by "western standards". A lack of care and disrepect is exactly that.[/QUOTE]Geez, it appears we have some precious spoilt whinging brats on board.

Your passport ends up on the floor and you feel disrespected? You must be American.

I've been through that airport 20+ times over the last few years. It's never taken me more than 15 minutes from start to finish to get a visa.

Sure, it looks a bit disorganised at times but it actually works. Simple process really. Cue up with passport / photo / application form. Join another cue and wait till someone calls out your name and holds up your passport. Pay $20. Bingo.

Never seen my passport end up on the floor, nor would I care if it did.

On average it takes me longer to get through Swampy in Bangkok than it takes me to get through Pochentong.

Get over it or stay home.

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1379493]Geez, it appears we have some precious spoilt whinging brats on board.

Your passport ends up on the floor and you feel disrespected? You must be American.

I've been through that airport 20+ times over the last few years. It's never taken me more than 15 minutes from start to finish to get a visa.

Sure, it looks a bit disorganised at times but it actually works. Simple process really. Cue up with passport / photo / application form. Join another cue and wait till someone calls out your name and holds up your passport. Pay $20. Bingo.

Never seen my passport end up on the floor, nor would I care if it did.

On average it takes me longer to get through Swampy in Bangkok than it takes me to get through Pochentong.

Get over it or stay home.[/QUOTE]This had to be one of the easiest entrances I've done. You should try Columbia, Cuba, or one of the Communist countries when there was Communism in Europe. Those were always fun with a US passport. Ha!

I didn't quite see the same PP Mackin saw. Yes the place is dirty but what would you expect from a third world country. You should see Cuba. Try some of theback alleys of HCMC. It's all third world. Cuba, same thing.

What I did like was the playfulness of the girls. Not quite to Filipina standards but they are playful. Much more so than HCMC. I think GFE is few and far apart here. Seems tome that a lot of the girls are off the farm and there is some stigma with P4P. They do not like to kiss if they don't feel comfortable with you. Ost do not like Yam Yam. If you pull out a vibrator most have no idea what it is nor do they understand the tingly feeling between their legs. I think a lot may have come via chicken farm and that's a wham-bam-thank you mam type of P4P. These are my thoughts. Might be right might be wron.

Didn't see much around the riverfront and what I did see I would not touch with Rick Rocks dick. Same goes for Walkabout. We hit HOD and Pontoon but not late enough and too tired to wait for it to be late enough. Pontoon looked very upscale. If I had more time I would have liked to check it out.

I stayed at the Lux riverfront in a suite for $70 Very very nice. They have amazing rooms for $50 s guys staying in dumps fro $35 take note. Great breakfast was included. I read a report on tripadvisor about tuk tuks being a problem in fornt of the place but jeez it's Asia. They are a problem you just ignore.

My best pulls were from Rose on 104th. There was nothing to my liking at Airforce. There are Ladyboys at Candy on 136th. But there are also some very nice looking ladies. The smaller bars have their gems as well. I pulled a stunner from Pussy Cat but she was a starfish. I enjoyed it anyway as she was tight and beautiful. Either you give me GFE or I pound you to submission. Either way I have a good time.

Prices on 136th can be negotiated to 10+30 for ST. 104th street was usually 10+40-50. Really not bad for the caliber of the girls I was pulling.

They do not like photos.

In SR right now. Going to maybe check out a place tonight. Went to the Doghouse at 11:30 and it was DEAD.

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1379493]Geez, it appears we have some precious spoilt whinging brats on board.

Your passport ends up on the floor and you feel disrespected? You must be American.

I've been through that airport 20+ times over the last few years. It's never taken me more than 15 minutes from start to finish to get a visa.

Sure, it looks a bit disorganised at times but it actually works. Simple process really. Cue up with passport / photo / application form. Join another cue and wait till someone calls out your name and holds up your passport. Pay $20. Bingo.

Never seen my passport end up on the floor, nor would I care if it did.

On average it takes me longer to get through Swampy in Bangkok than it takes me to get through Pochentong.

Get over it or stay home.[/QUOTE]Wow. Didn't have your coffee this morning?

Actually and most deifenately not American. But you don't seem the type to let your opinion get in the way of a fact.

Glad all your entries have been smooth. Care to lend me your passport so I can step on it a tad. Yours must be pretty worthless that you don't give a toss.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1379543]Wow. Didn't have your coffee this morning?

Actually and most deifenately not American. But you don't seem the type to let your opinion get in the way of a fact.

Glad all your entries have been smooth. Care to lend me your passport so I can step on it a tad. Yours must be pretty worthless that you don't give a toss.[/QUOTE]Nope. 2 coffees this morning, same as every day, thanks for asking.

I'll lend you my passport any day and you can step on it untill your hearts content, I couldn't give 2 flying fucks. To me a passport is a document that gets me in and out of various countries. Nothing more, nothing less.

But do tell me, why is your passport so precious to you?

I just heard today that the funeral ceremonies for the dead King will start Friday, Feb 1, and that 1 million people may attend. I'm in PP now, but I won't be one of them. I just bought a bus tkt to Snooky.

I was told that streets would be blocked, transportation would be a mess and that bar activity might (?) be limited. Anybody have better info?

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1379551]Nope. 2 coffees this morning, same as every day, thanks for asking.

I'll lend you my passport any day and you can step on it untill your hearts content, I couldn't give 2 flying fucks. To me a passport is a document that gets me in and out of various countries. Nothing more, nothing less.

But do tell me, why is your passport so precious to you?[/QUOTE]Guys, guys,

If you want to quarrel and insult each other, this is definitely not the right place. Here we share information pertaining to a common interrest, freely and in the most amicable manner while at the same time respecting each other. So I would urge you to burry the war hatchet and get back to letting us know how we can enjoy ourselves and or how we could help you achieve that.

Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Dboy; 1379627]I just heard today that the funeral ceremonies for the dead King will start Friday, Feb 1, and that 1 million people may attend. I'm in PP now, but I won't be one of them. I just bought a bus tkt to Snooky.

I was told that streets would be blocked, transportation would be a mess and that bar activity might (?) be limited. Anybody have better info?[/QUOTE]Yup, I'm packing up for Kampot for the weekend.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Knight 1001; 1379635]Guys, guys,

If you want to quarrel and insult each other, this is definitely not the right place. Here we share information pertaining to a common interrest, freely and in the most amicable manner while at the same time respecting each other. So I would urge you to burry the war hatchet and get back to letting us know how we can enjoy ourselves and or how we could help you achieve that.

Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]I go through like water off a ducks back, but I have a Visa in my passport. No pictures, lines, etc. Just show my Visa, stamp and staples a new Departure Card in my passport. OMG How dare he put holes in my passport. LMAO. Cambodia has to be one of the smoothest kayos running airports. Better than going through a hell of a lot of other countries I've been, for sure. Khmer people were voted the second most friendly people in the world. Everybody has an off day.

Now lets get back to mongering, speaking of I'm checking out a Karaoke Club / Disco that is for-sale right now. I'll keep you posted don't have shit for details, but guys these are the places to find some real sweat tasting girls. They may only go with a customer 1 / week or less even. It all caters to the rich Khmer mostly if it's like some others I've been in. It has 6 rooms and a Bar with disco. I'm getting my hopes up too soon but it could be oh so sweet, chances are low. Hell we all got to dream.

Say no more. Talk to you later my fellow mongers, don't hate the player and definitely don't hate the game. No haters.

Cheers

had to make this post or more of a rant maybe, but yang, pong, and all the other great girls that worked out at k11 this is missin you girls.

damn, i miss these girls and yes i did them every way i could. my memory isn't the best, but i thing they were in house 14 or 15. across the street from home away from home. they use to take runs back to vn every few months to take home money.

papalon would be hanging out at hafh most days. 20, 000r st and 10, 000r for the locals, shame they closed it down. worst thing most of the girls were fined and ended up on the street workin to pay the cops off, others were gang raped, and the fuckin ngo thought they did such a good thing.

i didn't even know they had ****d girls working there, but i wasn't lookin for that thing, so probably why i never seen it.

no, i think the worst thing is the place is still open, but now all they have are ****d girls. it's just all out of site now, or at least that was the case 5 or 6 years ago.

funny thing is that the place was built to service the 20, 000 un troops that were in cambodia, then it was the un and the usa after that gave the place such a bad name. i guess if the navy wasn't still docking in pattaya they'd be closing it down.

i use to get so pissed off too about msnbc showing the bust there like it was yesterday and the news was over 5 years old.

cambodia must have some of the toughest laws, when it comes to kids. no bullshit like the usa or other countries with gettin out in a few years. you get 25 years automatic. the usa policing the rest of the world when they have more child prostitutes than any other country.

if you are a peodaphile cambodia is the last country you want to be coming to; if your a monger and love dirty rotten working girls that love to suck cock like a good thing, god bless them. then your in the right place.

cheers,

I'm in Siem Reap now. Not much worth looking at in the bars. So what do you guys use to meet online? I've tried DIA. Met a very friendly one who drove me around on her motor all day. Didn't feel she was willing to play.

[QUOTE=Dboy; 1379627]I just heard today that the funeral ceremonies for the dead King will start Friday, Feb 1, and that 1 million people may attend.

I was told that streets would be blocked, transportation would be a mess and that bar activity might (?) be limited. Anybody have better info?[/QUOTE]On 104 Street, I visited Top Ten Bar. I recommend it for the talent there, although the bar mgmt is not too great. Just ignore them, and enjoy the girls. While chatting the chicks, they said the bars will not open on Feb 1 thru 5. Some of the girls said they are headed home for a break. Bleak news for us, so I'm trying to collect phone numbers from the ones staying in town!

My judgement is based on personal experience and not western standards. There are many countries with very good immigration but still 3rd world countries. I believe you must be from other than a western country to make such a useless coment. If you are treking up to embassies and waiting days and paying high fees, maybe you shouldn't go to those places as it is to much of a hassle.

I didn't realize I was capable of ill judged WINGES as it or they or not known to me or the dictionary. I only wrote about what I experienced. If yours is different, so be it.

[QUOTE=Mackin; 1380728]My judgement is based on personal experience and not western standards. There are many countries with very good immigration but still 3rd world countries. I believe you must be from other than a western country to make such a useless coment. If you are treking up to embassies and waiting days and paying high fees, maybe you shouldn't go to those places as it is to much of a hassle.

I didn't realize I was capable of ill judged WINGES as it or they or not known to me or the dictionary. I only wrote about what I experienced. If yours is different, so be it.[/QUOTE]First, I am from a European country.

Second, I have travelled widely and no I do not waste money on Embassy visits if VOA is available.

Third, The Cambodian, Phnom Penh airport, is no better and no worse that other countries. We all experience their system, we all get into the country.

And we all enjoy our visit.

If ten. Fifteen minutes of chaos offends you, try getting into the USA through Miami as a non-USA citizen. That is third world immigration!

[QUOTE=Chairman;1380477]I'm in Siem Reap now. Not much worth looking at in the bars. So what do you guys use to meet online? I've tried DIA. Met a very friendly one who drove me around on her motor all day. Didn't feel she was willing to play.[/QUOTE]I use Tagged met one of my present GFs on there, University girl, was 18 years old, but took about 1 month to get in her pants, which isn't that bad considering she was a virgin and now a dirty dirty little thing. 3-hole too, god bless her. Oh, and horny as hell now, but I put a lot of time in on her, no pun intended. She never had an orgasm before never masturbated, Thank god I have a vibrator because all the lickin and bangin wasn't gettin her there. Then after she had her first "O". Well now she just loves cock. Not the first or 5th virgin in PP, I've had with the same experience, bit of a pain in the ass, since I like working girls, but they are now.

The nice thing is I got BBFS now with 4 girls that were virgins and another that helps me find new girls. Took a good year to get it set-up but the one that helps me find new girls, she is a god send and she's not bad lookin just too old for me 27 now and I'm a 18-24 then out the door kind of guy. I do still give her a good shag once a month though, just because she's GF3 and swallows, love those birds.

Got a couple others off tagged too, and met up, but there pics where far better looking than them.

Cheers,

GM

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470;1380738]If ten. Fifteen minutes of chaos offends you, try getting into the USA through Miami as a non-USA citizen. That is third world immigration![/QUOTE]I hear you there, I don't even go through the US if at all possible. Customs and Immigration Officers are on steroids or some power trip. Fuck That!

[quote=scorchin1470;1380738]try getting into the usa through miami as a non-usa citizen. that is third world immigration![/quote]totally in agreement. new york kennedy isn't exactly a breeze through either (last time 55 minutes)

lax in the afternoon when all asian flights arrive can and was 75 minutes last time (inlcuding the lard assed ladies literally shouting at anyone hapless enough to not know which line to use ). tokyo can be a 60 minute wait early evening.

strangest was standing in a line in manila airport at 4am that lasted an hour. usually flights arriving at that time are staggered. on this ocassion they coincided. and the 2 sleepy officials werent breaking any speed stamping records that day.

[quote]And we all enjoy our visit.[/quote]Who is we? I would say around 20% of the posts made in the last six months contain complaints or recommendations against visiting Phnom Penh, mine included.

[QUOTE=Dboy; 1379627]I just heard today that the funeral ceremonies for the dead King will start Friday, Feb 1, and that 1 million people may attend. I'm in PP now, but I won't be one of them. I just bought a bus tkt to Snooky.

I was told that streets would be blocked, transportation would be a mess and that bar activity might (?) be limited. Anybody have better info?[/QUOTE]When we were there I woke up one morning to hear a band or something. Went out after breakfast and the riverfront road was closed and cops all over. They said that was a practice for the ceremonies. Did you get Bob out of the country?

I just had an afternoon room massage at my hotel. Nice. After she was done she poked my cock with her finger and wanted to boom boom, I told her only BJ. She seemed sad but gave a very nice BJ. Tota cost? Not quite Vietnam prices but damn close. Set it up through the hotel.

I'm guessing you're not heading this way.

Enjoy the trip,

FN

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1380943]Who is we? I would say around 20% of the posts made in the last six months contain complaints or recommendations against visiting Phnom Penh, mine included.[/QUOTE]When are you going to learn how to quote properly so that the rest of us know what the hell your talking about. Not that there's much content but it's good to know who you're quoting. It's pretty rudimentary, maybe Jackson can start offering a beginners course on posting etiquette.

You and your cohorts fancy yourselves pretty important don't you."mine included." The famous RR says that Cambo is no good so I guess we should all stay away. You guys are so full of yourselves you crack me up. Do you have a dummy account like the Mutant Pigeon so you can atta boy yourself too?

Guys! Cambo is not AC or for that matter Pats but fun can be had. One of our group who is a know monger and almost single handedly responsible for US mongers going to Columbia says he loved the girls in Cambo. I've been all over the world and there is definitely something about these Khmer girls. The look is totally different. They are fun and playful. You will not get GFE if you don't engage them. If you engage them you will be fine.

There is no one size fits all. I was amazed at the times I got rebuffed in AC. Dumbfounded actually because the 21 year old I have at home is hotter than 90% of the bar girls. I couldn't get / score that top end in AC. Does that mean AC sucked? Heck no. I had a blast.

Viva Le Asia

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1380963]There is no one size fits all.[/QUOTE]
That is definitely the third rule of mongering.

1. Make sure anything you do not want to go missing is locked up.

2. Secure price, time, and activities to be performed if in unfamiliar territory.

3. Your mileage may vary, so do your best to make your own fun.

I had a good time mongering in PP as well. Does that mean I will go back? Probably not. But I have no regrets nor complaints (except for the white blinds not blocking out the sunlight in my hotel room. But I got over that).

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1380963]There is no one size fits all. I was amazed at the times I got rebuffed in AC. Dumbfounded actually because the 21 year old I have at home is hotter than 90% of the bar girls. I couldn't get / score that top end in AC. Does that mean AC sucked? Heck no. I had a blast.

Viva Le Asia[/QUOTE]Totally agree. I'm on my first trip to Angeles now from PP. Yes there are thousands of girls in the bars here but quite a few of the reasonable or hot ones turn you down or seem indifferent. I'm already missing the quirky but oh so sexy Khmer girls.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1378861]Very quick to criticise a country you obviously know little about because you judge it purely on western standards.

Getting a visa is a damn sight easier than trekking up to an embassy, waiting days and paying a fortune.

As to the rest of your earlier post. Just an ill-judged winge. Apart from your rightful comment on Walkabout.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure it's "western standards" he's talking about really. Japan and Korea are first-world countries taht would never tolerate the half-assed way things are run at the airport's immigration. But then again, I think more than 98% of us come from western countries, mostly English speaking ones, so its to be expected that those members judge things by their own standards, which are probably western because you form your standards as you grow up, and if you are born in a place in the west, those stnandards are going to be western.

He had no choice but to criticize quickly, he was a tourist just there a few days. It's not a requirement that anyone posting in this thread spend months or years in the country before posting. The views of any kind of visitor (and even people who haven't visited yet) are equally relevant and welcome here. If all he knows about Cambodia are the few annoying things that happened to him when he visited, that's as valid here as anything said by a guy who's been there since 1990 (and I've seen some of those types say some pretty nutty things here). Nothing he said seemed too far off the mark. If people are allowed to come here and talk something up, they should also be just as free to come here and talk something down.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1379518]There are Ladyboys at Candy on 136th. But there are also some very nice looking ladies. The smaller bars have their gems as well.[/QUOTE]To me this is always a non-issue. I could see if the LB's were immediately jumping in customers' laps and trying to french kiss them, but if they're out there in the bar somewhere just going about their own business, whats the problem. I'm there to hook up with a genuine girl, so that's what I seek out for company. I see a LB, I just don't have a drink with him, and that's that. He can go sit with someone who's into that. Everybody ends up happy.

If the LBs were in customers' faces, then yeah ok then that could be a problem. I never saw that though. But maybe I'm wrong and that's what they do, and feel free to correct me if that's the case.

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1381034]I already have answered some time because I post so little on the forum , but obviously you do not read all posts. Then, I have done some travel report about some countries. Check! Let me a question. I will reply.[/QUOTE]OK, so did you find some good spots in Papua New Guinea? Can you tell us more about that place?

[QUOTE=Wendella;1381382]OK, so did you find some good spots in Papua New Guinea? Can you tell us more about that place?[/QUOTE]Ok! I went to West Papua and precisely I arrived in Wamena town. It is a small town where everything is wild, even women. I slept at a small hotel (I don't remember its name) and the receptionist girl asked me if I liked play with her in the night.... but I was so tired and I answered it was impossible. She was enough beautiful for the local standard. At Wamena town there are enough Chinese girls and they are more beautiful than papuan girls. Papuan girls are very ugly and it was funny when I asked to local boys and men in Wamena if they liked more to fuck a papuan or chinese girl. All they answered me they like more papuan girls. They told me papuan girls are wonderful. I stop here my post because West Papua is not a mongering place and here I'm OT. But I know much about this country. Other questions?

Wendella is the voice of reason here as is often true.

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1381387]But I know much about this country. Other questions?[/QUOTE]It doesn't make me want to rush off to PNG any time soon, but it sure sounds like you really were there. Your reply showed up minutes after I posted my question.

I have a lot of posts up here but haven't put up "field reports" either. What is a field report any way? Is that like a moment by moment account of a whole night's exprience with all the nitty gritty details? If so, I think very few or possibly none of my reports are like that. So if that's what it takes to prove you really travel and visit places, well, I think some people just don't write those kinds of reports.

Sorry I can't really answer your question about Cambodia though. The guys who live there or visit a lot can probably answer you. I only go to Cambodia once every few years, and I don't bother with the kind of thing you want to do.

Thanks RR, a nice compliment. And I vaguely remember us actually disagreeing here about something awhile back, can't remember what it was (or even care to find out).

But FH's orignal question was how hard it is for someone like him (55 yrs old) to pick up regular non-working girls in Phnom Penh.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1381377]To me this is always a non-issue. I could see if the LB's were immediately jumping in customers' laps and trying to french kiss them, but if they're out there in the bar somewhere just going about their own business, whats the problem. I'm there to hook up with a genuine girl, so that's what I seek out for company. I see a LB, I just don't have a drink with him, and that's that. He can go sit with someone who's into that. Everybody ends up happy.

If the LBs were in customers' faces, then yeah ok then that could be a problem. I never saw that though. But maybe I'm wrong and that's what they do, and feel free to correct me if that's the case.[/QUOTE]I didn't find it bothersome at all. The real girls were giggling about it but thats it. I never pulled anything out of the but my buddy tried. She stood him up twice in a row.

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1380994]Hello, I'd like to know Cambodia more and more. I'm a 55 years old man and I'd like to know how much is easy to approach some regular girls and to get sex with them.

I thank you![/QUOTE]FN are you living in PP or just extended stay? As you call them regular girls are 90% of my mongering, it's a whole new game. Can an old dog learn new tricks, hell ya.

First your chances are greatly reduced if you can't speak K'mai; if you can," Who raw!"

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1381220]Totally agree. I'm on my first trip to Angeles now from PP. Yes there are thousands of girls in the bars here but quite a few of the reasonable or hot ones turn you down or seem indifferent. I'm already missing the quirky but oh so sexy Khmer girls.[/QUOTE]Then come back to us sooner hehehe and we'll have a blast ....

[QUOTE=Knight 1001;1381496]Then come back to us sooner hehehe and we'll have a blast .[/QUOTE]Some years ago I was one week at AC. I did not like this place at all. People tell it is a great place to monger but I see it as bad, sad, small and depressing.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1381396]It doesn't make me want to rush off to PNG any time soon, but it sure sounds like you really were there. Your reply showed up minutes after I posted my question.

I have a lot of posts up here but haven't put up "field reports" either. What is a field report any way? Is that like a moment by moment account of a whole night's exprience with all the nitty gritty details? If so, I think very few or possibly none of my reports are like that. So if that's what it takes to prove you really travel and visit places, well, I think some people just don't write those kinds of reports.[/QUOTE]By the same token you do not just pop up in various threads and only ask the same annoying questions in each one. I think it would be better to say "exchange of information" rather than field report, as in the information you have just provided about LBs at Candy on 136th. Some people come on this board in stealth and only take the information they need, but you would never know that because they have never posted anything whatsoever. Then there are others who come and ask a myriad of questions as if they are doing research for a dissertation, but are never bothered to provide any information in return. It's just like the convenience store; take a penny, give a penny. And people get fed up when they can see a poster repeatedly taking or rather soliciting information throughout various threads but never giving any in return.

FH what's up I give you an answer to your question or at least a partial answer. Then I get no reply back, so obviously it wasn't a serious question.

Please tell me FH that English is a second language to you or maybe your illiterate, because your grammar is terrible or your 12 years old and trying to learn to be a man.

Don't waste peoples time please by putting up questions that you have no use for the information. There are others that could have a use for that information; we're here to help each other by sharing information if someone has a need or making interesting, informative, exciting and erotic reports on working girls, LBFMs, hotels, scams, experiences etc.

Your not a monger or even a player; correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you should be playing video games and riding your BMX bike, not trying to learn about things you can't comprehend. Do to your immaturity or illiteracy.

Sorry something stinks and it ain't the taint.

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1380994]Hello, I'd like to know Cambodia more and more. I'm a 55 years old man and I'd like to know how much is easy to approach some regular girls and to get sex with them.

I thank you![/QUOTE]Good reply Wendella.

The truth is you will never come to Cambodia and pick up a regular girl and have sex with them. Period.

You may get a grey girl that is one that works in a restaurant that dabbles on the fringe of barangs after a year of knowing here and dating. But no girl of virgin status and that normally means young from a respectable family will ever go out with a barang. Why because? It will be assumed by everyone else in her country that she is a working girl. Even if she isn't She has sold herelf out at least on a patriotic level. So it will always be a black mark against her.

This is not noticeable and will never be mentioned but it is there below the surface.

Secondly why would you want to go to another country and try and have sex with a regular girl? Are you going to marry her? If you don't you have ruined her life? She can never marry a respectable local.

Go to Cambodia and meet working girls they don't have to be hardened pros but at least they have already ended up in that field or class if you like.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1382119]The truth is you will never come to Cambodia and pick up a regular girl and have sex with them. Period.[/QUOTE]I know 4 language besides my mother tongue but I do not speak well none of these languages. I'm sorry. I don't know cambodian culture like you and I understand by your reply how much difficult and slow in the time can be to fuck a regualar girl, even if I never have told you I like to find a virgin.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1382119]Secondly why would you want to go to another country and try and have sex with a regular girl? Are you going to marry her? If you don't you have ruined her life? She can never marry a respectable local.[/QUOTE]I'd like to find regular girls because I don't like pro girls. Why? Because I feel a more complete and enjoyable experience. And I think it is the same for the fucking girl. When I went to Venezuela with a regular girl I get a wonderful experience. She repeatedly liked to fuck with me and she liked to get sex with me a lot. It was a vibrant experience. I remember when I get an orgasm before her, she wanted I masturbated her to get orgasm with my fingers. It was hard for me because I was very tired but these experience was amazing. I understand Cambodia is a different country but I think my question is a fair question. May be is Thailand more open-minded with their culture and easier to fuck regular girls?

Repeat: I know many countries around the world and I'd like to compare them with unknown countries as Cambodia.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1382119]Go to Cambodia and meet working girls they don't have to be hardened pros but at least they have already ended up in that field or class if you like.[/QUOTE]Now I understand fine and I think Cambodia will not be a vibrantt experience.

Thanks

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[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1381501]Some years ago I was one week at AC. I did not like this place at all. People tell it is a great place to monger but I see it as bad, sad, small and depressing.[/QUOTE]If you thought AC was sad small and depressing. Then your statement "Now I understand fine and I think Cambodia will not be a vibrantt experience." will be absolutely correct. There are no bars in Cambodia with the level of entertainment that is available in AC.

Seems like many chose Cambos because,"it is cheaper".

That is so bogus really. Either get a better job or save your money. Cambo is a dump for cheap skates or dudes that never really made a dime in their life. Thailand is 10 times the place to monger and have a good time, than Cambodia or AC or whatever.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1382663]Seems like many chose Cambos because,"it is cheaper".

That is so bogus really. Either get a better job or save your money. Cambo is a dump for cheap skates or dudes that never really made a dime in their life. Thailand is 10 times the place to monger and have a good time, than Cambodia or AC or whatever.[/QUOTE]I have been to PP many times and my mongering experience has been really good. In my opinion, you get all varieties in Cambodia. If you pay well, you do get good stuff. I have never gone for cheap ones but have never over paid too. Usually, I have picked girls based on references or from the casino in NagaWorld. Believe me, there are some really good ones in Naga Casion. 24/7!

2 weeks back I had the pleasure of a Viet girl whom I met at Naga Casino. She was wonderful. Nice attitude, good looking, warm, friendly, GFE.

Well, Thailand a a much better bar scene, but then, when stuck in Cambodia, need to look for the best ones to have fun!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1382663]Seems like many chose Cambos because,"it is cheaper".

That is so bogus really. Either get a better job or save your money. Cambo is a dump for cheap skates or dudes that never really made a dime in their life. Thailand is 10 times the place to monger and have a good time, than Cambodia or AC or whatever.[/QUOTE]I'm in Thailand right now and it's very nice. I like Soi Cowboy. Seems better than Nana or at least to me. Pattaya was a blast and quite frankly not that expensive. There are a lot of beach road girls available if one is patient and there are some very nice girls at the bars. I'm certainly not an expert on BKK but so far it doesn't look like you'll get the GFE that you get in AC. Having said that #24 from Annie's and Nuru rocked my world last night for two hours and that's after me screwing at least once a day for the last 3+ weeks. And I thought I was tired.

But to bash Cambodia and AC and say it's for cheapskates (one word) because you don't like it is insulting. I've been to AC, Manila, HCMC, Pattaya, and now BKK. They all have merits. I even like it back in the US but I've got a niche market carved out for myself. All 20 somethings and most for what I pay in BKK.

I get a kick out of you guys that think there is only one way, your way. Weren't you one of the guys complaining about newbies running up prices?

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1382663]Seems like many chose Cambos because,"it is cheaper".

Cambo is a dump for cheap skates or dudes that never really made a dime in their life. Thailand is 10 times the place to monger and have a good time, than Cambodia or AC or whatever.[/QUOTE]Going there next week, and its certainly not because the country is cheap or because I'm cheap. And I've surely made many dimes and pennies and punts and peso and picatas and reals in my life. I will be a nice alternative destination for Chinese New Year.

So maybe learn to accept that its not only your opinion that counts here.

There are a great many others whos opinions are perhaps less strident, but are way more interesting.

[QUOTE=GooberMonger; 1381431]FN are you living in PP or just extended stay? As you call them regular girls are 90% of my mongering, it's a whole new game. Can an old dog learn new tricks, hell ya.

First your chances are greatly reduced if you can't speak K'mai; if you can," Who raw!"[/QUOTE]Seeing if I can get in any trouble. I did and I enjoyed it. It wasn't AC or Pattaya, or BKK but it had something likable about it. Yes' it's a dump, but by the standard of where I live 80% of BKK is a dump. I'm looking for girls. Don't really care too much about the surroundings.

We all like something different. My favorite city was HCMC. The mongering was ok but I can see where if it became a regular destination that can be improved greatly.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1382663]Cambo is a dump for cheap skates or dudes that never really made a dime in their life.[/QUOTE]Cambodia is for all kinds of people. Including those of us who have lived and played in Thailand for many, many years and like Cambodia because so many of the girls remind us of the way they used to be in Thailand: less commercial, less jaded, often more fun.

Nobody has to like Cambodia, and in fact it's better if most tourist mongers don't. But please spare us the ignorant slurs.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1382746]...It will be a nice alternative destination for Chinese New Year...[/QUOTE]It will not be a complete escape, because there are quite a number of Chinese and Vietnamese who celebrate. I did that last year and was quite surprised. But of course a lot less that in China / Vietnam.

[QUOTE=Betong; 1382776]Cambodia is for all kinds of people. Including those of us who have lived and played in Thailand for many, many years and like Cambodia because so many of the girls remind us of the way they used to be in Thailand: less commercial, less jaded, often more fun.

Nobody has to like Cambodia, and in fact it's better if most tourist mongers don't. But please spare us the ignorant slurs.[/QUOTE]I'm actually quite amazed at how people are so closed minded. Because they went and had a bad time, couldn't get their game on, and had a bad time they are convinced that it's no good. And are pretty adamant that nobody else could possibly enjoy something they didn't because of course the world revolves around them. My way is the only way. Quite a singular view of life. Now I might have liked HCMC better for a number of reasons, not all monger related but I would never tell others what to do. There is no one size fits all. Cup half full or half empty? I can have fun anywhere. And the best blow jobs I have ver had have been from fat girls but most discount them. It's OK.

I declare beforehand I'm curious to visit Pattaya but I think never would go there. I don't drink alchool nor beer and I don't like bars. Some years ago I went to AC and it was depressing and bored. Then..... I think Pattaya girls are tired, exploiting by sex and it is impossible to get a pleasure from them when you fuck them. I've never been in Phnom Penh but I think it is possible to find different girls. I think they are more curious about sex than Pattaya girls. I think to get sex with a Cambodian girl is more relaxing and pleasant. Do I make a mistake?

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FN, you are right. The fat girls HAVE be good at BJs because it's the only dick they get! As far as cups hehe, I prefer them D size or better but on a small frame, please!

Not wanting to be branded as a bottom-feeder, yet still curious enough to ask. Is trawling for freelancers at Sorya Mall only likely to net skanks, or is there enough variety to make it a worthwhile place to monger?

[QUOTE=Backtobasics;1383248]Not wanting to be branded as a bottom-feeder, yet still curious enough to ask. Is trawling for freelancers at Sorya Mall only likely to net skanks, or is there enough variety to make it a worthwhile place to monger?[/QUOTE]It's a pretty skanky place, picture Walkabout x.

About a month ago, when I was last in PP I spent a few hours of most of my nights there. Never saw anything that I was remotely interested in. Skank after skank. Untill my last night, when I saw at least half a dozen chicks that I would've happily boned if the GF had allowed me.

Quite a few ladyboys there now too, shitloads of ice / yama heads. It's certainly a bit of a zoo.

[QUOTE=Backtobasics;1383248]Not wanting to be branded as a bottom-feeder, yet still curious enough to ask. Is trawling for freelancers at Sorya Mall only likely to net skanks, or is there enough variety to make it a worthwhile place to monger?[/QUOTE]I've pulled some lookers out of some seedy area before, especially with Cambodia you never know, but it's nothing for me other than just a drive by for a look, wouldn't waste much time there.

For something no one has mentioned or I've seen, take a look at the back of The Royal Phnom Penh Hotel by what Phnom. I haven't been there in a bit, but last time I was there they had some nice VN and Chinese girls. Real lookers most of them; they were a little expensive by Cambodia standards, but cheap compared to equal quality in Thailand.

Had a real nice Chinese girl $100, but hell my last trip to pats 1000 baht bar fine and 2000 baht for the girl and she wouldn't BBBJ.

Was in BKK a couple months ago and had a great time at Soi Cowboy, but I'm one of those cheapskates that lives in Phnom Penh.

Yeah, my Villa is cheaper, my maid is cheaper, my security is cheaper, my Mercedes is cheaper, sitting in a Karaoke bar with a couple girls drinking Johnny Walker Gold is cheaper, but the quality of it all is just as good as any other country in the world. All that money that I save I use for mongering and travelling.

Cheers

Nothing wrong with feeding on the bottom.

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Not wanting to be branded as a bottom-feeder, yet still curious enough to ask. Is trawling for freelancers at Sorya Mall only likely to net skanks, or is there enough variety to make it a worthwhile place to monger?

I've pulled some lookers out of some seedy area before, especially with Cambodia you never know, but it's nothing for me other than just a drive by for a look, wouldn't waste much time there.

For something no one has mentioned or I've seen, take a look at the back of The Royal Phnom Penh Hotel by what Phnom. I haven't been there in a bit, but last time I was there they had some nice VN and Chinese girls. Real lookers most of them; they were a little expensive by Cambodia standards, but cheap compared to equal quality in Thailand.

Had a real nice Chinese girl $100, but hell my last trip to pats 1000 baht bar fine and 2000 baht for the girl and she wouldn't BBBJ.

Was in BKK a couple months ago and had a great time at Soi Cowboy, but I'm one of those cheapskates that lives in Phnom Penh.

Yeah, my Villa is cheaper, my maid is cheaper, my security is cheaper, my Mercedes is cheaper, sitting in a Karaoke bar with a couple girls drinking Johnny Walker Gold is cheaper, but the quality of it all is just as good as any other country in the world. All that money that I save I use for mongering and travelling.

Cheers[/quote]Hi there,

Is "the back of the Royal Phnom Penh Hotel " a bar?

I've been to Phnom Penh quite a bit but have stuck so far to bars on 136, 104 and discos like Heart of Darkness.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1383275]It's a pretty skanky place, picture Walkabout x.

About a month ago, when I was last in PP I spent a few hours of most of my nights there. Never saw anything that I was remotely interested in. Skank after skank. Untill my last night, when I saw at least half a dozen chicks that I would've happily boned if the GF had allowed me.

Quite a few ladyboys there now too, shitloads of ice / yama heads. It's certainly a bit of a zoo.[/QUOTE]Many thanks, or should I say, many skanks? .

[QUOTE=Backtobasics;1383248]Not wanting to be branded as a bottom-feeder, yet still curious enough to ask. Is trawling for freelancers at Sorya Mall only likely to net skanks, or is there enough variety to make it a worthwhile place to monger?[/QUOTE]I think Sorya Mall (tell tuk tuk drivers "sor-ya mo") is a great place for watching life go by. Go there after 11pm and there are usually forty plus freelancers wandering around. Yes a lot I wouldn't touch. Scarily thin and / or drugged up, but occasionally there are a few good ones. $20-25 LT. Or go there about 3am and you can often find a reasonable girl who will go with you LT for $10 just because they want a decent bed for the night. A friend of mine got one for $7. 50 but I personally think that's insulting the girl.

"for something no one has mentioned or i've seen, take a look at the back of the royal phnom penh hotel by what phnom. i haven't been there in a bit, but last time i was there they had some nice vn and chinese girls. real lookers most of them; they were a little expensive by cambodia standards, but cheap compared to equal quality in thailand."

just don't confuse them with the girls standing around actually at wat phnom! these are the $10 girls with pimps on hand. cheap, not very beautiful, sometimes **** and often try to scam you by asking for the money up front. if you pay them first, they just hop on a moto with their pimp and leave you standing there! money gone, lesson learned. same with the girls on street 106 nearby (in the two blocks either side of norodom street) , next to the park. often tempting, but be wary of pre-payment.

[quote=aussieguy100; 1383557]"for something no one has mentioned or i've seen, take a look at the back of the royal phnom penh hotel by what phnom. i haven't been there in a bit, but last time i was there they had some nice vn and chinese girls. real lookers most of them; they were a little expensive by cambodia standards, but cheap compared to equal quality in thailand."

just don't confuse them with the girls standing around actually at what phnom! these are the $10 girls with pimps on hand. cheap, not very beautiful, sometimes **** and often try to scam you by asking for the money up front. if you pay them first, they just hop on a moto with their pimp and leave you standing there! money gone, lesson learned. same with the girls on street 106 nearby (in the two blocks either side of norodom street) , next to the park. often tempting, but be wary of pre-payment.[/quote]good advice aussie, stay away from the fl in those areas and around independent monument, they're mostly running every scam and rip off under the sun. you'll get a cheap girl, but wake up with your stuff all gone and not remembering a thing.

i even got burned by a girl from walkabout many years ago. i guess she didn't know i lived here, it was only $50, but i just waited until i ran into her again and i did. it was the day time and i was sitting in walkabout having something to eat and talkin to a friend. bang there she was on the corner across the street with a couple barangs. i got up ran outside and met her with her two bf or whatever they were and told the two guys that were with her that they could do whatever they wanted to with her and i had paid for it already.

i come back smile at the security guard he smiles back, no problems. he likes me, i always tip him well. i could have dragged her across the street and punched her teeth out and he wouldn't have said boo to me. i haven't been there in a long time now.

phnom penh has so many beer gardens and karaoke clubs now, that have way better quality girls, just they aren't working in the red light area so to speak, because they can't speak a word of english and they're new to phnom penh, but love barangs. like 90% of the girls they love white skin the same as the guys love white skinned girls. so it you like lbfms it's the place to find some cuties that haven't been used and abused. only thing is you need to speak the language. a tuk tuk or moto driver can help you to a point, but most of the girls like to keep things on the down low. i think it's because they don't want to have others look down at them. some of them you might have to visit a couple times too, before you'll get anywhere with her. others you won't get anywhere, but go for the beer girls they're easier; the hostesses are usually the real lookers, but you need to speak k'mai or forget it. well can't really say that because i have come across a few that can speak english and are working there for money to pay for their education. oh, they also get tipped well just for their company with customers. so this is another reason you need to speak the language. then you know if your wasting your time and money or your going to have a good gfe.

it sucks because a lot of guys visiting for some mongering in cambodia don't get the chance to check out all the country has to offer.

happy mongering,

I keep reading posts about khmer girls liking to give head, my experience has been the complete opposite.

Many refuse to do it. 90% of the ones that do can't handle doing it for more than 15 seconds at a time and keep stopping and blotting the pre-cum with a towel, use way to much hand, or stop after 2 minutes.

I've been with 30+ girls in cambo which isn't a ton but its a decent number, maybe I've just been unlucky, maybe the ones who post it have been lucky, just sayin YMMV.

Well,

Have a better picture now of scene outside usual bar areas. My Cambodian not too good (at all!) but will watch my step if I do take a look around that area behind Royal Phnom Penh Hotel. No contribution by me as of yet but after next trip will see if I can add anything.

Cheers

In the past 5 years, I have spent a total of 8 months in Cambodia, from PP to Ratankiri in the northeast portion, the Sville and every in between. I have taken ladies from the karaokes (KTV's) bar girls, and girls that I have met on dating sites. None of the Khmer ladies would provide BJ's. The only ones that provide BJ's are the girls from Vietnam and that was only about 50.

But, YMMV with the ladies you find.

QUOTE=Dante2; 1384262]I keep reading posts about khmer girls liking to give head, my experience has been the complete opposite.

Many refuse to do it. 90% of the ones that do can't handle doing it for more than 15 seconds at a time and keep stopping and blotting the pre-cum with a towel, use way to much hand, or stop after 2 minutes.

I've been with 30+ girls in cambo which isn't a ton but its a decent number, maybe I've just been unlucky, maybe the ones who post it have been lucky, just sayin YMMV.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dante2; 1384262]I keep reading posts about khmer girls liking to give head, my experience has been the complete opposite.

Many refuse to do it. 90% of the ones that do can't handle doing it for more than 15 seconds at a time and keep stopping and blotting the pre-cum with a towel, use way to much hand, or stop after 2 minutes.

I've been with 30+ girls in cambo which isn't a ton but its a decent number, maybe I've just been unlucky, maybe the ones who post it have been lucky, just sayin YMMV.[/QUOTE]This has generally been my experience too. I'd guess about 20% will do BBBJ. If that's what you want, just make sure you ask them before you agree to take them. And yes the constant blotting seems to be a Khmer quirk. It's certainly not the case in Angeles, where I am at the moment. Almost all the girls here gobble like crazy. The other day I had a newbie who was obviously keen to please by giving a BJ, but kept having to go to the bathroom every few minutes to retch!