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as an informed member of healthcare matters (without giving my identity), i thought i'd give the following health tips with regard to mongering. i've seen here and there where people ask about various stds and the like.

i'm not sure which forum to post this, so i thought i'd place it in the fkk faq.

with condom use, anal or vaginal sex gives you the small risk of hsv-2 (genital herpes) and the large risk of hpv (certain strains cause warts). both hsv and hpv can be transmitted skin to skin, however hpv is as contagious as a common cold, even with condom use. herpes seems to typically occur with people who do not use condoms, however theoretically it can still be transmitted via skin to skin contact. the good news is that even if you acquire hsv or hpv, it's not a big deal. it's more of an emotional issue.

a way to decrease the risk of acquiring hsv-1 (oral herpes, i. e. cold sores) or hsv-2 (genital herpes): while there are no studies to support this, taking valtrex 500 mg daily (typical dose for herpes suppression for those with known herpes recurrent infections) while mongering and thereafter can only help in possibly preventing infection or at the very least, greatly decrease the possibility of noticeable symptoms. how many days thereafter?. hard to say (again, no studies to support). my guess is between 5-14 days. i say 14 days because that's the typical period of time between exposure and development of symptoms. downside is valtrex costs $200+ for 30 pills if you don't have an insurance plan.

a way to decrease susceptibility to hpv (some strains cause warts, others can cause cervical cancer in women): gardasil vaccine. 3 shots taken at 0, 2, and 6 months. if you're a veteran monger, then this vaccine is useless since you've already been exposed to every known hpv virus known to man. it only works if you've never been exposed. so this vaccine is ideal for the teenage son of a mongering father who is being introduced to our hobby. lol. again there are no published studies to support use of the vaccine for males, but i predict that in the future, it may be recommended for males. it's currently recommended for women aged 12-26. sadly our provider counterparts are likely not getting this vaccine before they start their profession. downside to gardasil is the roughly $200 per injection cost.

if you find yourself with a wart, see a doctor. if you know what you're doing, warts are simple to treat. simply apply a dr. scholl's wart freezer kit applicator to a small wart, and it will likely disappear in a day (if applied when it first pops up when it is very small). whether you apply acid, freeze, burn, cut a wart, apply medication, they all do the same thing. they stimulate the immune system to clear the wart. the good news is that with hpv (see cdc. gov), 90% of infections clear within 2 yrs.

bbbj: likely safe, however if the provider has a major sore throat, then you should avoid. it is possible to have a gonorrhea throat infection, and so that can certainly be passed through a bbbj. however i'm not going to lose sleep over a bbbj.

vaccines you should have: hepatitis b. hep c is the nastiest, but it's not sexually transmitted. however hep b is very popular, especially throughout the developing world. hep b is sexually transmitted. it can infect people for years if not decades before someone finally has severe liver damage. simply go to a doc, make sure your liver function test is normal, and have a hepatitis panel (a, b, c) completed. if you've never had hep b vaccine, get that vaccine (3 shots). all children in the us these days are vaccinated, however this was not the case during the 1970s and much of the 1980s. all healthcare workers are vaccinated as well (in case of needlestick).

tests you should routinely get, at least once per yr:

rpr (antibody test for syphilis. easy disease to treat, but devastating if left alone for years)

ppd for tuberculosis. tuberculosis is increasing throughout the world, especially the developing world. if you are positive with a ppd, then likely you will need to take a 6 month course of isoniazid (no drinking during this time. fun, fun).

hiv. definitely a must if you ever have sex without a condom in a non-monogamous relationship. realize that it takes about 6 weeks from time of exposure to when the antibody test will be positive.

giardia (gives diarrhea) is not really an std (i only mention since it was discussed before). yes it can be transmitted via fecal matter through sex, however it's no more of an std than is the common cold or flu.

i highly recommend to never go bareback in sex unless you know the person's hiv status. otherwise you are rolling the dice with your life. realize that aids is the greatest silent epidemic known to man. it has surpassed bubonic plague in terms of total deaths.

and of course, using condoms prevent chlamydia and gonorrhea, both of which can make you have burning [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]. if not treated quickly with antibiotics, further complications and damage can occur (such as painful epididymitis).

lastly, studies in west africa have shown that men who are circumcised had approx a 50% reduction in acquiring hiv in comparison with non-circumcised men. non-circumcision hawks for years have claimed that it is useless and traumatic for babies, however the recent data of decreased hiv transmission gives a lot of weight towards recommending circumcision.

just my 2 cents.

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[QUOTE=Briedward]AsI highly recommend to never go bareback in sex unless you know the person's HIV status. [/QUOTE]

How would you do this? A nevative Test today only tells you that he/she was negative 6 or 12 weeks ago. She could have caught the virus 2 weeks ago!

Don't be to hysterical about deseases at FKKs. If you worry too much, just don't go there! You might get a flu because sometimes it is a little cold in those places ... ;-)

HB

Briedward,

Excellent post, many salient points especially seeing my immune system is already rogered from a cancer bout years ago.

Thanks buddy

[QUOTE=Briedward]"Lastly, studies in West Africa have shown that men who are circumcised had approx a 50% reduction in acquiring HIV in comparison with non-circumcised men. Non-circumcision hawks for years have claimed that it is useless and traumatic for babies, however the recent data of decreased HIV transmission gives a lot of weight towards recommending circumcision."[/quote]There are some reputable studies that show that circumcisions decrease the liklihood of people getting AIDS. But also there are some reputable studies that show that circumcisions increase the liklihood of males getting AIDS and there are many reputable studies that show that circumcisions neither increase or decrease the liklihood of males getting AIDS. So with those studies that show that circumcisions decrease the liklihood of males getting AIDS I don't those studies have any credibility because of all the studies that show otherwise.

In Germany the vast majority of males are not circumcised, but the AIDS rate in Germany is many times lower than the AIDS rate in the U.S. where the vast majority of males are circumcised. So with the claim that circumcisions decrease the number of people who get AIDS that claim does not stand up to the way that things actually are.

It is controversial if male circumcisions help protect against AIDS or not. Also it is highly controversial if male circumcisions decrease the sexual pleasure capacity of males or not. At least in my opinion though if a male gets circumcised that will not give him any protection against AIDS and that might decrease his sexual pleasure capacity.

Briedward:
Great post with a lot of useful info.

Hessen Bub:
I think that [i]you[/i] are the one who needs to lighten up. Briedward was not at all "hysterical about deseases at FKKs", but just gave the facts as he knows them. You can follow his advice or ignore it.

euro

I was told last week in conversations I had with RF dudes that in Bayern there have been laws in place for the past couple of months banning BBBJs for health reasons.

There are undercover authorities making the rounds of the clubs fining women who offer it.

This is Bayern for you. Maybe someone can confirm this?

That [i]Weisswurst[/i], by the way, is awesome for breakfast.

[QUOTE=Briedward]
Lastly, studies in West Africa have shown that men who are circumcised had approx a 50% reduction in acquiring HIV in comparison with non-circumcised men. Non-circumcision hawks for years have claimed that it is useless and traumatic for babies, however the recent data of decreased HIV transmission gives a lot of weight towards recommending circumcision.

[/QUOTE]

One confounding variable in these studies is the surprisingly common african practice of "dry sex". This is vaginal sex after a woman douches with preparations to reduce natural lubrication - literally to dry it out. The practice produces increased chance of breaks/ bleeding leading to transmission. Uncircumcised men are almost exclusively the group involved because circumcision makes the practice unpleasant/painful for the man. HIV transmission rates may be higher for uncircumcised men in the study area simply because circumcised men avoid the practice since they find it unpleasant.

Circumcision alters sexual behavior by changing the mechanics of what is more pleasurable. Altered sexual behavior alters STD transmission rates. Another example of this is the BJ. Circumcised men generally have a stronger preference for BJ's. Some STD's have lower transmission rates for oral over vaginal sex. Over millions of instances this kind of thing produces real statistical differences.

The point is that a correlation between circumcision and STD transmission rates in the real world doesn't necessarily mean that it provides any direct "protection" against infection. Even a very real effect can be produced by a very indirect route.

I am preparing for a trip to NRW and Hamburg later this month ( haven't been to D since '02 ).

I am fluent in German but not in tune with current "fach-sprache".

Can somebody pls clarify whether "tabulos" is code for BBFS?

Thanks

[QUOTE=LustyHombre]I am preparing for a trip to NRW and Hamburg later this month ( haven't been to D since '02 ).

I am fluent in German but not in tune with current "fach-sprache".

Can somebody pls clarify whether "tabulos" is code for BBFS?

Thanks[/QUOTE]
[i]Tabulos[/i] simply means without taboos similar to uninhibited or [i]Hemmungslos[/i].

[i]AO[/i] or [i]Alles Ohne[/i] would mean BBFS.

Only 12 days to my visit to Frankfurt...and I can't believe how excited I am. I've read hours and hours of this board to help brief me on some expectations. There are severals questions that I still have not found answers to.

1. Between sessions, do the working girls (like the men) consistantly shower and refresh themselves? I've had enough "SLoppy seconds" in the states to last a lifetime.

2. At most of the big clubs (like Oase and WOrld), does knowing how to speak German or the native language of the girl your with help with the intimacy of the session? (Or does it make you more attractive to them?) My Deutsch is limited to mostly common and formally social greetings.

3. Is it pretty common to see patrons camping out at one club for an entire day (or even an entire weekend?) Can you overlap your afternoon visit into the night hours on one house fee? And are you charged again at the door even if you leave to find better nutritional sources only to return a couple of hours later?

4. Finally, I'm hearing so much about "regulars" which has given me an impression that new comers may be given a run for their money. Do the girls have a tendency to "rush", flip, or lower service standards with clients coming in to the club for the first time? And if so, should I keep that info to myself?

[QUOTE=Busterbrown 73]Only 12 days to my visit to Frankfurt...and I can't believe how excited I am. I've read hours and hours of this board to help brief me on some expectations. There are severals questions that I still have not found answers to.

1. Between sessions, do the working girls (like the men) consistantly shower and refresh themselves? I've had enough "SLoppy seconds" in the states to last a lifetime.

2. At most of the big clubs (like Oase and WOrld), does knowing how to speak German or the native language of the girl your with help with the intimacy of the session? (Or does it make you more attractive to them?) My Deutsch is limited to mostly common and formally social greetings.

3. Is it pretty common to see patrons camping out at one club for an entire day (or even an entire weekend?) Can you overlap your afternoon visit into the night hours on one house fee? And are you charged again at the door even if you leave to find better nutritional sources only to return a couple of hours later?

4. Finally, I'm hearing so much about "regulars" which has given me an impression that new comers may be given a run for their money. Do the girls have a tendency to "rush", flip, or lower service standards with clients coming in to the club for the first time? And if so, should I keep that info to myself?[/QUOTE]
1. Generally, yes. Hygiene is in my experience good. I wish the same could be said about all the male guests. By way of example, if I mention that 69 is what I'm looking for, many will go and freshen up once more before the session.
2. Fear not. Use what German you have of course, but these girls see thousands of foreigners with the same problem as you. Don't kid yourself though. They may find you pleasant, and that is good for the coming session of course, but the only attractiveness you can offer them is a nice big open wallet. You will likely be spoken to in a very friendly fashion.
3. Yes, I plead guilty. Yes, just don't leave, like me. If you do leave (it's damn hard), intending to return, you MUST tell reception, and at most clubs you will be given a pass, or your bracelet will be put aside for later with your name (clubs have different methods) or whatever. Then you will not be charged twice.
4. Yes, it can happen, especially at Palace in Ffm, but there are sharks everywhere. But you don't have to be totally naive. Play it cool. If I go to a new club, I tell the girls I am likely to move to the area very soon. It disciplines them sometimes a little bit (future business prospect?). We all make mistakes, regularly, it's part of the game, but we all get spell-binding sessions too, which is why people travel half way round the world to visit these places, don't you guys? :-)

Busterbrown, my serious, friendly advice to you would be to stop asking questions, stop worrying, and jump into the water.

[QUOTE=Busterbrown 73]Only 12 days to my visit to Frankfurt...and I can't believe how excited I am. I've read hours and hours of this board to help brief me on some expectations. There are severals questions that I still have not found answers to.

1. Between sessions, do the working girls (like the men) consistantly shower and refresh themselves? I've had enough "SLoppy seconds" in the states to last a lifetime.

2. At most of the big clubs (like Oase and WOrld), does knowing how to speak German or the native language of the girl your with help with the intimacy of the session? (Or does it make you more attractive to them?) My Deutsch is limited to mostly common and formally social greetings.

3. Is it pretty common to see patrons camping out at one club for an entire day (or even an entire weekend?) Can you overlap your afternoon visit into the night hours on one house fee? And are you charged again at the door even if you leave to find better nutritional sources only to return a couple of hours later?

4. Finally, I'm hearing so much about "regulars" which has given me an impression that new comers may be given a run for their money. Do the girls have a tendency to "rush", flip, or lower service standards with clients coming in to the club for the first time? And if so, should I keep that info to myself?[/QUOTE]
.... this is my take on your questions.

1) Most women do clean up. [i]Most[/i]. If you are in doubt, watch her come back from a session and see if she makes it to the women's showers and time her. If she comes back from a session and walks right out on the floor, then you know what you are dealing with.

2) At the large tourist-oriented Frankfurt clubs, you will get by. If you are in the remote corners of NRW [b]and[/b] want full participation in everything going on around you, German is indispensible. By full participation I mean being able to participate in the verbal interactions with the staff, the girls and other customers. Some guys don't care for 100% participation. You may be one of them. If you mostly want to interact with the girls, pick a language from the following list to master: Romanian, Bulgarian, Polish, Russian, Turkish and yes, German.

3) Yes, I do camp out at a club for a full day. As to whether you have reentry priviliges, this depends on the club. Do ask before you leave the club.

4) If you don't want to be processed, avoid the transactional clubs and stick with the clubs where the women are attuned to having to cultivate "relationships", d.h. they want customers who return, not those in transit.

[QUOTE=Busterbrown 73]Only 12 days to my visit to Frankfurt...and I can't believe how excited I am. I've read hours and hours of this board to help brief me on some expectations. There are severals questions that I still have not found answers to.

1. Between sessions, do the working girls (like the men) consistantly shower and refresh themselves? I've had enough "SLoppy seconds" in the states to last a lifetime.

2. At most of the big clubs (like Oase and WOrld), does knowing how to speak German or the native language of the girl your with help with the intimacy of the session? (Or does it make you more attractive to them?) My Deutsch is limited to mostly common and formally social greetings.

3. Is it pretty common to see patrons camping out at one club for an entire day (or even an entire weekend?) Can you overlap your afternoon visit into the night hours on one house fee? And are you charged again at the door even if you leave to find better nutritional sources only to return a couple of hours later?

4. Finally, I'm hearing so much about "regulars" which has given me an impression that new comers may be given a run for their money. Do the girls have a tendency to "rush", flip, or lower service standards with clients coming in to the club for the first time? And if so, should I keep that info to myself?[/QUOTE]


I agree with Toscana and Jackyo but want to add 2 cents to the language issue. I don't speak German except for a handful of words. I am sure I have missed out on much intimate conversation but..... the whole idea is to have a good time. I make up for the lack of language skill with MUCH pantomime and laughter. Also remember that for many girls German is their 2nd language also. In the bigger clubs it is EASY to find girls that speak English passably. If they try --- make sure to compliment them on it -- HINT HINT

Lastly, don't worry about getting ripped off. Know the basic ground rules, use your common sense and have a good time. You become an experienced punter by --- you guessed it - punting. My one rule is NEVER GET ANGRY. If you have to deal with a shark, do so politely as best you can and then forget it. Anger ruins the mood for the rest of the night and other potentially GREAT girls will avoid you.

Rock n' roll brother.....

ok, before everyone bashes me. i have read the various treads, and seem to be more confused by the minute.

please let me set the scene:

will be spending the week in rennes, france. but i want to take a day or two to go and break my fkk cherry. asuming that i will go to germany, but i would like to station myself at a marriott hotel and hit a couple of different clubs (all in the surrounding area)

questions:

1) are there flight out of rennes to the major german cities? this would speed my travel time as the train in to paris take about 4 hours alone. otherwise its the train to the plane in paris (which is a wasteland).

2) what major city do i go to? i would like to hit at least one of the major fkk's but the seem to be all spread out across the country side according to the web sites and a little work on google maps.

is there on major city that i can hit two major ffk's?

i have looked at the palace, world, goldentime etc, etc but unfortunately i don't have the time to hit the all.

i have to squeeze this all into a day or maybe two. appreciate any halp thrown my way

best regards,

normus johnson