Istanbul

Cossack,
I plan on visiting Istanbul for a few days!
Would definitely appreciate the tel# of the Russian Madame (to take the edge of!!).
(MarcoWSG366@hotmail.com)

I just returned from a 7 day stay in Istanbul, and I would like to tell you guys that it was GREAT. However, for those who are wishing to read this post to get info. on the escort/pro scene, this will not be that type of review.

Here is a little bit about me. I am very young (22), and American. I speak nothing except English and some Spanish. I went to Istanbul to meet a girl I have been corresponding with via the Internet, who is from Ukraine. We both had the time of our life together, but I must tell you some things I observed. Even with this girl by my side the entire stay in Istanbul (Beyazit area, near the fish restaurants and about 300 yards from the Marmara) when the Russian/Ukrainian women who heard me speaking with my girlfriend in English approached me asking me how I am, where I am from, and flirting VERY much. They did this right in front of her! I must admit we laughed about these many encounters later (and I must tell you I am by no means a very attractive guy, I just dress well, am very tall, young and speak English), but we were shocked at how forward some of these Russian women were.

I also must comment on a previous post by banana joe about the looks of Turkish women. The young Turkish women who were students that I saw in the street near the fish restaurants (a GREAT experience you must go to in Turkey, I recommend Cemal Restaurant) were EXTREMELY good looking. Yes there were many poor Turkish women on the street, and near the water of the Marmara, but there are poor people who do not look nice in every country, not just Turkey. I must also apologize to those whom I had been corresponding on this board with prior to me visiting Istanbul. Although the majority of the people looked at me like I was an alien (being 200cm tall and American), every single Turkish person I spoke with treated me with great respect, and was very nice and helpful if I had a problem. I also treated them with great respect as well though, I might add.

About the fish markets, and shopping in many of the clothing stores with my girlfriend (this is where many of the Russian women on holiday approached me, in clothing stores). I have never seen so many beautiful women in my entire life. I must admit, I have never been anywhere but the USA, Canada and Mexico, but these women were wonderful. I could have sat in the Grand Baazar for hours just watching the good looking women walk by. I am glad that I did not need to because I had one of these wonderful women on my arm :)

I must tell all of my fellow Americans who fear visiting Turkey because it is so close to the middle east to rest your fears, it is a wonderful place, with VERY nice people. The food is great, but I do not recommend Raki! It tastes very similar to "Jaegermeister"; like black licorice candy.

I must also STRONGLY recommend to change your US dollars to Turkish Lira if you are going to go shopping, or dining out. I am sure US dollars are what pro's would want for their services, but if you flash US Dollars on the street to any vendor, you are going to get SCREWED. Also, try and learn some BASIC Russian. Every street vendor/shop owner/restaurant manager I met knew basic to moderate English, fluent Turkish, and moderate to fluent Russian. If you ask them how much something is in Russian, you will get such a better price than if you spoke to them in English. You can almost see their eyes light up when you speak to a vendor in English.

I must say that my trip to Istanbul showed me a whole new world, and also introduced me to the most beautiful women (Russian/Ukrainian) I have ever seen in my entire life. Just remember not to drink the water unless it is bottled! It also has gained me a fiance. :) I have been in contact with this girl for over a year and this is the first time we met. I proposed to her with a band of Turkish men playing great Russian music, and eating a good meal in a restaurant in the Beyazit area.

I will be going back very soon with my fiance I am sure. If anyone has any questions (non-pro related), you can email me at [email]mastablue@hotmail.com[/email].


-USAROCKS

Cossack,
my experiance in istanbul tells me your info of the istanbul scene is right on the money.
i go their evry 6 weeks, and i stay in an Atakoy **** hotel usualy, i am prety sure you know which one.
My question to you is regarding the demirkoy Hotel, is this the one that is right on the highway to the seaside of the street, between atakoy and yeshilkoy??? it is built like a spread out motel type, has gates that one has to go trough before you get to the reception?
I went their looking for a disco a couple of weeks ago with a female companion, and i was told it was a simple restaurant. and that it was empty at twelve.
please e mail me some more info about the demirkoy hotel and its club, and the regarding the madam you mentioned, does she work out of Aksaray??
if you need any info on exclissive Atacoy hign end escorts, may be i can help you with that.

gabnal@hotmail.com

usarocks,
i'm not against turkish people or turkish girls in particular.
Yes, you can find some good looking girls in turkey, but on average you have to agree with me that ukrainan/russian girls are much better - I restate - ON AVERAGE.

And I have to agree that turks are very kind and helpful people, excluding those trying to sell you something :-)

I'm italian, and many yankee think that italian girls are very good looking. I think they're average.
But from an american standpoint I can understand that a turkish girl could be rated good looking and an italian one very good looking ... after all, you have to deal with big fat femminist asses in your country :-)
It's like eating pizza: an average pizza in italy is something an american in drooling for. But on the other side, an average SUV for you is a BIG car for me :-)
Ratings for everything changes changing the country.

But a good looking ukrainan girl is gorgeous babe no matter where you come from! And they're damn hot in the sack!



Happy hunting,
Banana Joe

Cossack

Hi Cossack, I will be in Istanbul for a weekend latter this month.

Would be great if you could let me have the telephone number of the Russian Madame.

If anybody alse has similiar phone numbers, i would appreciate that too.



Many thanks in advance.

please email wsg_1000@yahoo.co.uk

Hi Cossack
Seems to be necessary to pull a number - would also like to get that Russian Madam's tel.nr as I am frequently in Istanbul ;)
Or if anybody else already got email with the number - appreciate if you can forward the number to me.
My email : rene444@swirve.com

Have followed that discussion about which one is nicer - Ukrainian or Turkish. Guys, everything in between 6-10 is OK, it is also the quality of the action not only the looks right?
Let's stay focused on that!

Enjoy it!

Hey All! Sorry been out of town for a bit, and just logged in to see what was going on. I see a lot of people on the board want the lady’s #. I am kind of worried that some of you good folks might be piglets in a punters skin, and that I might be killing my golden egg laying goose. I propose that we conduct a poll, and if majority you fellows on the board agree, then I will take the time to get that # to ALL of you.

usarocks…you now see that istanbulrocks too. I was out of town when you were here, but I am glad you had a good time!

gabnal…there are a few hotels there, you want the one that is on the exit off the seacoast road when you go into the Galleria shopping center. When you are exiting, look directly to your right, you will see a fountain w/2 dolphins in it, and a little further ahead, you will see the gates to the place. If you take a cab, they all know where it is. I was there on Saturday, and boy it was rockin’!!! And no the lady does not work out of Aksaray, but most of her girls live in Atakoy and surroundings. I’ll email you soon for that info.

CELLO… too right, if she looks good, and is great in bed, who cares where she’s from.

Mario…where are you buddy, I hope she didn’t break your heart that bad that you have stopped being one of us.

And last but not least, if so many of you dudes are coming to Istanbul so regularly, how come no one is posting anything. Let us know, the good, the bad, and the uglies.

That’s all for now

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack

DEAD BOARD WARNING!!!

What up fellas....I hope you are all too busy mongering!

Hi Cossak
You Prtomissed me an e mail with the number of that madam. i wonder if i will ever get it.
i will be leaving for istanbul on the 26th of August, and i will be staying in the tower hotel across from the galleria. as you explained it, the Demirkoy should be a walking distance from their. i will try it. and post my findings.
I had a sick idea the other day, and i think you would appreciate it.
The muslims of this world have a pilgrimage route between the holy cities, and the christians have their own that end up in Jerusalem. And the sick bastards like us, who are in love with the female race as a whole, should have a pilgrimage route that starts in Saint Petersbourg, then Moscow, Minsk, Kiev, Kishinev, Odessa, and ends in Istanbul. I wonder if their is a man alive that could sustain the hardships of this route.....

I will be waiting for your e-mail gabnal@hotmail.com

Gabnal, it's in the mail. Use it wisely, and be nice!

Your idea is not as sick as you think dude. Last summer, I went on a Black Sea tour with a few buddies. We loaded up our Jeeps (CJs - 4 total), and drove from Istanbul, to Bulgaria, up to Romania, across to Moldovia, Ukraine, Crimea, and then ferry boat down to Turkey. 3 weeks of whoring on the road. We used all the info on the various sections of this board to plan the pit stops, and all I can say is that we are planning to do it again next spring!! And you are right, I went on a weeks vacation to recover after I got back, unfortunately, I went to Cyprus, and didn't really recover fully. When we plan to do the tour again, I will inform you all, and those with stamina are more than welcome to join.

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride.

Cossack

Well done, Cossack!

But now you HAVE TO write a detailed travel report for all of us: you can't hint only, you have to tell us the whole story ... we are eager of new *****mongering's tales! :-)

Happy hunting,
Banana Joe

Some info about Seranda Hotel:

I checked it out myself. It is clean and safe. I have been there four times. Don't get scared when you see people dressed like police when you approach to the hotel. Those are private security.
They were charging a 13M (~$8) cover to enter to the disco. Action starts around 11pm. But it is ugly. All these girls are dancing on a little dance floor and you are supposed to approach them and bargain. You are not really allowed dance. It is a real market. Well, that's the way it works there. All girls ask for $100 for an all-nighter. 100 M (~$60) for three times and so on. A lot of Romanian girls, whom I definitely NOT recommend. Girsl fuck with you in the hotel upstairs, which costs 40M (~$25), and go downstairs to pick up new customers. So, if you go there late, you will get 2nd hand pussy. On my first night, the Romanian girl for reason liked me, and she stayed with me the whole night. we fucked at least five, and it was a GF experience. She kissed, gave me a BJ etc. Later on I had two other Romanians who were completely disappointing. They were just lying in the bed and waiting for me to come. Later on a I had a Russian beauty, she gave a good service. Romanians usually don't give BJs and don't do anal sex. Stick to Russians. In general, this place is a safe and clean place to have paid sex, but the girls suck in my opinion. Enjoy Istanbul!

My last night at Bacardi..............

Guys ,i have been several times to this club before.But last time
when i got Bacardi club few days ago,the only thing that i saw was a heaven..
My former place Club 2000 was really empty and i decided to walk
a little to Bacardi Club. There were at least 100 girls who was more beatiful from each other.
But price that they asked was a little bit higher than other girls
from different clubs.i think it is a kind of "girl's syndicate"..
But all the girls were bests in istanbul's night life.
try Bacardi you will not regret....
let me know if you enjoyed...
stockbroker.

I will be staying in the Bebek section of Istanbul in October. Are any of the clubs, like Bacardi or Seranda Hotel nearby? Do these clubs have Latinas? The last time I was in Turkey I was diasppointed with the qulaity of sex from the Eastern European girls. Many are very pretty but do not seem to have the sexual skills as the Asians and Latinas.

I have been on a short break in Istanbul in August 02, my first trip to Turkey. Having taken the advise from previous postings on this site, I feel that I should add my experiences here too so that future travellers can benefit from them.

I know this is long report but I have tried to think of every possible detail (save a few exceptions) that a potential reader may have. {My first draft was even longer !!!!)

Day 1:

I arrived very late on Friday night (around 11.00 pm). I had to pay €15.00 (£10.00) entry visa. My hotel was on the European side close to the main pedestrianised road called Istiklal Caddesi, not far from the Euro Plaza, which someone has mentioned on the WSG before. The fare was about 24million lira and I paid the driver 30million and the journey took about 30mins.

As I was checking in to my hotel I asked the guy at the front desk if it was OK to bring overnight guests to the room. He said it was OK, but I had already prepaid/booked a double-I don’t know what the answer would have been had I been in a single/rated room.

I washed/showered and then changed into a pair of ordinary blue Levis and white shirt with black shoes (for those of you that want to know about dress code {or as it turned out, there isn’t one}) and slapped on some after-shave/cologne and headed out.

It was now 1.30-2.00am ‘ish and I stepped outside of my hotel and looked at the row of cabs outside. I approached an oldish/skinny looking driver figuring that a young /mean looking one would be more likely to rip-me off. I asked him if he spoke English (I speak no Turkish other than some basic phrases “Yes”, “No”, “How much”…etc) he said no. I said you know Seranda Hotel ?, he shook his head, I then said Aksaray meaning just take me across the water to the old city. I thought I would take this cab to Aksaray and then swap into another cab for Serenda Hotel when in the area.

The driver got the directions and after a few poorly light back streets we were at the bottom of the road that the Hotel is on. I paid the driver I think about 10-15mill (my mind was a bit of a blur with nerves). At the top of this dead-end road on the left-hand side is the Hotel with the words Serenda Hotel written in white on a blue neon background. A smaller similar sign underneath it says Serenda Disco. There was a set of steps at the top of the road next to the hotel. The road was pretty busy with traffic, parked taxis and people coming and going. I did not feel uncomfortable walking up the street towards the sign. I made an attempt to look as though I was walking with purpose so avoided eye contact with most people on the street.

Under the disco sign is the entrance to the club. I walked through the entrance and at the top there was one guy in his 50’s seated at a cash register/till and a couple of young uniformed security guys. A sign on the wall says in English 15 million.

It was now around 2.30am I guess. I paid 15 million and showed my passport, they all paused and looked at me a second. I was frisked by a uniformed security guy whom then called a waiter out whom then led me into the club/bar.

99 % of the guys inside where Turks ! For some reason I had imagined that the majority would be tourists like myself from Western Europe or North America. (By they way these guys were there like me for the girls, not to drink or get drunk, fight or rob people - they did not give me a second glance and I felt very comfortable and melted into the background - I am from the UK but my ethnic background is from the Indian Sub-Continent. There were a couple of white guys inside though having a great time, however I did not see any Black or Oriental looking guys though, but I can’t imagine they would have any problems though.).

The waiter showed me to a table. I asked do you speak English? He shook his head and called another that did. He asked what would you like and I replied how much is a coke. He said it was included in the entrance price. He came back to my table with a small glass of coke and two small plates of fruit and peanuts also included in the 15mill fee.

The place is pretty small. A 5m long bar along one wall and a dance floor measuring 5m by 7m along the wall opposite with tables and chairs everywhere else and about 7 or 8 waiters inside plus a DJ on the turntables in the corner near the entrance to the toilets.

I sat looking at that dance floor and there were about 10-20 girls dancing with guys and the dance floor was packed. There were also some girls sitting at tables in groups of 2 and 3. Also you must remember that that there will probably a dozen or so girls already in the bedrooms as well at any given time.

Rule 1. You must not change the table that your are shown to when you enter the club. After my first coke I went and sat at another table closer to the dance floor and a waiter promptly came over and asked me to go back to my original table. Which I did.

Rule 2. You must not talk to any of the girls that are seated or as they walk around the bar/ to or from the toilet. I did this and a waiter shouted at me.

Rule 3. ALL propositioning is to be done on the dance floor. You see a girl you like wait till she is on the floor, you then go to the floor and just ask “How much ?” You see girls moving about the floor from guy to guy and each guy asking her stuff. Just wait till she catches your eye and then ask. On my first night I found it difficult to come out with the words “How much” straight off so like an idiot I asked “Are you alone?” … blah blah blah and things like that and the girls smiled at me thinking first timer !

All girls quoted the same numbers; the rate is 50mill TL for 1 hour or US$100 for the night. 9 out 10 of them are gorgeous with the odd fat/old one thrown in for good measure. Just ignore them if they look at you. The girls are aged 18 to 22 I would say and most are dressed as girls that age would do to go for a night out on the town. Some in tight jeans other in tight trousers others in short low cuts tops and the odd one or two in evening dresses. I think most of them are Romanian or Moldavian. I did not encounter any Turkish or Russian girls (but I did not speak to all of them). They do not look like pro’s more amateurs to me.

I met this great Romanian girl and was quoted the prices as above and I said one hour. She said follow me (most speak a little English) and walked off the dance floor towards the exit a metre or two behind her (AGAIN I DID NOT TALK TO HER WHILST WE WERE OFF THE FLOOR IN THE CLUB). Through the exit (the same one you enter through) is another door (next to the guy at the cash till) that leads directly to the front desk of the hotel. The girl then hands you her id/passport and goes to and waits on some leather couches in the foyer whilst you wait at the front desk. I asked how much for the room the guy said 40mill (they all spoke English at the front desk). He took both passports and asked me to sign a form and gave a set of keys to the bell-boy (not so young in his 40’s maybe) the girl comes back and the three of us go up in a lift to the room. The guy goes in turns on the TV shows you the fridge and then waits for a tip. I gave him 5million and he then left. The girl then whispers to me “preservative”(condom in Turkish) and I shook my head to mean I have none. (Tip: Bring your own if you want save on the cost/hassle and keep contact with hotel staff to an absolute minimum) She then goes to the door and calls him back and says something to him. She closes the door and a few minutes later another guy knocks on the door. I showed him two fingers J and he gave me the two condoms and he showed me three fingers J I gave him 5mill he smiled and walked off. I didn’t plan to do it twice in 1 hr, but wanted a spare in case 1 condom broke or something.

The girls are very friendly but treat them well. Don’t jump on them as soon as the door closes be gentle (follow the advise of previous postings) ask their name, if they are hungry, where they are from…etc. The fridge in each room contains one coke, one fanta and one bottled water (included in the 40mill for the room-I think) offer her something, you’ve already paid for it ! Think about it, most of the guys in the club are locals, perhaps they don’t tip or haggle the price down further …etc (and as one girl told me they all do it like “ like a dog and car” - (not quite ‘Cockney Rhyming Slang’ - for the Londoners J) by dog she meant doggy-style and by car she meant fast!!), tip her 10-20mill TL & be nice to her and you will stand out head and shoulders above the other guys and get a better level of service.

However, who does not like doggy-style? I know that I do !!

All services are available, oral, anal (bring your own lubricant if you don’t want to spend your time struggling to penetrate her), kissing, fucking with no condom, if that is your cup of tea. (BUT AGREE THE SERVICE YOU WANT ON THE DANCE FLOOR FIRST). But obviously this depends also on how attractive or unattractive you make look to her and if you can develop some sort of rapport in the short space if time.

We did the deed, she was exceptional, she had a shower and we then went downstairs to the front desk where I collect both passports and then back into the disco. The girl has to pay to get back in, I was about to pay as well too (seeing her do it) when the security guy shook his head to stop me and just opened the door to let me back in.

When inside DON’T TALK TO HER AGAIN EXCEPT ON THE DANCE FLOOR. I took up my old seat and ordered coke from the same waiter, 4mill and the bill was presented at the same time. I gave him a 10mill note and he came back with a 6mill I gestured to him to keep it and he seemed delight. This is the best thing to do. Tip him 5-6 mill (think about it, it’s worth very little in £, $ or €’s) and he will look after you and offer you a better seat…etc on the second or third night…etc, consider it an investment. Perhaps you can prise from him nuggets of useful information about the local scene.

I then went to the toilet and outside the toilet sits an old women with a bottle of some type of hand lotion. After using the toilet on exiting it you should pay her. After my first trip to the toilet I came out looked at her shook my head to mean I did not want it and walked off. She seemed to get annoyed and I did not understand why. On the second trip to the gents a Turkish guy was exiting the gents before me and I watched him pay what looked like 3mill to the women (I now know it was probably around 300k lira - too many zeros in the currency for me). Anyway, I put 5mill on the table and walked off without taking any lotion. You are paying to use the toilet not for the lotion, that’s why she got annoyed the first time.

CAN SOMEONE ANSWER ME A QUESTION? THE WOMEN WITH THESE BOTTLES, DO THEY ONLY SIT OUTSIDE TOILETS IN CLUBS WHERE THERE IS SEX ON THE MENU OR DO YOU ALSO FIND THEM OUTSIDE THE TOILETS IN “NORMAL CLUBS/BARS?”

I then picked a second girl and wanted her for the whole night US$100 and to come to my hotel. She would not agree to come to my hotel (neither would the first girl that I had - taking her out for the night would have been my first choice). So we headed to the front desk, the guy asked me how long I wanted the room for I said all night he said I could only have around 90minutes as they were busy, I said ok and asked if I could pay in US$ (I had ran out of lira’s). I gave him $40 and both sets of passports/id and he gave me change in lira’s taking the equivalent of 40mill TL. Then same routine with the bellboy and condom vender.

In the room I told the girl we could only have the room for 90 mins and I agreed to pay her $40 she said ok. We did the deed and I gave her a $20 tip she was ecstatic with the tip. Again, treat her nicely and YOU WILL FEEL THE DIFFERENCE. She then offered to spend the following daytime with me and stay at my hotel all night for $160. Because I had plans to meet local friends during daylight hours I said I could not but I would pick her up at the club that evening for an all nighter at my place.

We went downstairs collected the id’s she went into the disco I went outside, flagged one of the many cabs 4.30 am ‘ish and went to my hotel on the European side cost 10mill I think.

Some tips. All the girls I asked said no to coming to my place, with hindsight I think when they have slept with you one night they may be more willing to go with you the second night. Or perhaps it was because my hotel was one on the Euro side or one that they were not familiar with

CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT FOR ME ON THIS ?

One girl said to me that if they use a hotel other than Serenda for the deed the management of Serenda don’t let them work the disco again and for that reason they don’t like to go to the other hotels. Most live in other hotels close by and just work the Serenda disco. Also as these girls are illegal aliens or on holiday visas they don’t venture out of the Aksaray area much even in the daytime (to avoid the police) and often have not heard of any of the larger hotels on the Euro side or even the tourist attractions in the Old city and Euro side, Blue Mosque, Aya Sofia, Dolmabache Palace…etc !!!!

Also one Romanian girl I spoke to said that there is a stigma attached to giving blowjobs and for that reason they do not offer this readily. Of the three girls I had during my stay only one gave oral. One girl that did not do oral, on the second time that I went with her, asked me if I found a girl that did oral I said yes and she seemed shocked! and said that, that girl would be an outcast if the other girls found out that oral had been done. I made her agree to not say anything (as she knew who the second girl was as I bumped into her when taking that second girl upstairs). How bizarre, oral is not offered readily but anal and condomless sex is ???

Day 2. I was feeling more confident and braver about the Istanbul nightlife and wanted to try the Chicago2000 and the Bacardi Club. Grabbed a cab near Taksim Square, young skinny driver maybe 20 years old spoke very little English nodded when asked Chicago2000 Aksaray? Took me to the area and pointed up at some building I got out of the cab and looked up but could not she the place. I did not want to walk around looking lost so I flagged another cab and said Bacardi club, he nodded I said how much ? He then showed me 1 finger to mean 1mill. As soon as I got in, he turned around and showed me three fingers. I protested (not too strongly) and thought fuck it I’m not gonna argue over 2mill lira, less than pocket change < £1.00 !! Besides he was a big ‘n’ beefy chap.

Bacardi was very close. Small sign outside and staircase leading down to the club. Security frisked me, no entrance fee charged. Maybe he thought I was Turkish ?? I thought an entrance fee was charged ?? or perhaps I do not recall the previous postings here correctly.

Waiter showed me to a seat at the bar (time now around 12.00am) This place is much larger. 15-20 girls on the dance floor a couple of guys dancing amongst them to get a better look, a further 20-25 girls sitting drinking and single guys, pairs of guys.etc sitting drinking and looking around too.

I was wary of being ripped off because of previous postings here on the board, & asked the price of a coke. Waiter spoke little English and wrote the number twelve on a napkin. (Tip: Take a pen and piece of paper with you when hunting, useful also for communicating a price with the girls too. Can you count to a 100 in Turkish ? I can’t and neither can a lot of the girls.). He bought the coke and the standard plate of fruit...etc I pulled out 15mill (this time a had a pocket full 5’s and 10’s (in addition to the main store of cash and $’s safely in my wallet in my front pocket (was dressed the same as at Serenda - for those wanting to know about the dress code. Don’t wear a collar and tie…etc you will single yourself out, perhaps for higher prices. Ther were maybe 15-20 men inside and only 1 or 2 wearing a collar and tie.) He seemed annoyed, wondered off and came back with a bill. I gave him 15mill and gestured to keep the rest. As the place is bigger and dimly lighted I could not see the girls clearly. I tried to strike up a conversation with the waiter in a mix of English and Turkish. I learned that it is around $100-$200 for the girl for the night, I guess it depends on the girl you take a fancy to and how good looking or plain you maybe yourself and this rapport factor. He asked me if I wanted a girl and I said I wanted a better look at the girls before deciding, remember that some of the girls are seated and so until they get up and dance you can’t really see all the girls that are available for you that night.

99% of the girls in this place were all dressed in dresses (unlike Serenda) again all late teens early twenties and gorgeous. 99% Turkish guys in there, again I felt very comfortable, all the guys looking at the girls, nobody loud or drunk. Same rules as before. You don’t move seats once you’re given one (unless the waiter moves you) and you don’t talk to the girls off the floor unless I think the waiter brings her to you (at your request).

At this point a Turkish guy was shown to a chair next to me and after he got his drink etc he said something to me in Turkish, I said Ingilize? He said yes and we struck up a conversation. He had lived and worked in the UK and Germany. I asked him what the set up here is and if he had been here before. He said he came before but was worried out being ripped off so left with out a girl.

I ordered a second coke and when the coke arrived I pulled out 15mill and wanted to pay, the waiter wrote 5mill on the napkin and seemed a little annoyed. I think what they want is for you to pay the tab at the end when you leave with a girl (unlike Serenda where it is pay-as-you-drink.). This guy then asked in Turkish to the waiter if we could have seats closer to the floor, the waiter said that the place was busy and most seats taken, which I could see was correct. The waiter told him that we should not wait too long as all the best girls would be gone, this was true also.

We went over to the dance floor boogied for 5 minutes taking a closer look at the girls. 11 out of 10 for looks but did not speak to any of them.

My new friend said that he thinks the waiters act like a go between, you pick the girl He calls her, to sit next to you, you strike a deal, pay him 10mil (a guess) and your tab and take the girl.

We never found out because we never closed the deal. I told him that I went to Serenda the night before and he said he wanted me to take him there. I felt OK with this guy as we are both in the same profession and he knew too much technical stuff about the profession to be trying to con me. I was very glad to have someone with me that spoke fluent Turkish. We paid the bills and left.

(((The main reason why I had left was that I was thinking about the girl from the night before and wanted to take her to my place for an all-nighter. Better the devil you know I guess. She really was amazing in bed, on the floor, against the wall, in the shower…. etc use you imaginations. I felt OK in Bacardi club and on another visit there, would certainly close a deal. I did not get any feeling that I would be ripped at all, but I suspect if a rip-off did occur it most probably occur when the girl is seated with you, costly Champagne…etc.))) !!

We got outside took a right and after I think about 10 or 20 yards right again (on what I believe is Namik Kemel Caddesi, walked up the road and asked for directions. The two places are about a 1-minute walk apart. It was 100 yards further up Namik Kemel Cad down a road on the left hand side, perpendicular. From the bottom of the road I could see the blue and white Serenda sign.

We went in and the waiter I had tipped a few times the night before warmly greeted me with a handshake. He showed us to a good table with a decent view of the floor. We very nearly didn’t get in, the guy at the cash/till said they were full or the hotel was full up (Saturday night), but my new Turkish friend managed to persuade him and we got in (no more cash was paid for this), I think they were genuinely busy.

I explained to my new friend the set-up here, we had a drink together and he danced a bit and left with his chosen one. I did not see him again and sadly I did not get his email address, but I did tell him about the WSG. So if you are reading… HELLO !!!

I sat around looking for this girl that agreed to an all-nighter with me the previous evening but could not spot her. I went to the floor a while and then picked another girl (Moldavian) for an hour and went through the same routine at the front desk. This girl performed a BBBJ. But I asked her if “sucks” (which I gather is the term they use for a BJ), whilst on the dance floor to which she smiled and said she’ll decide when we are in the room. (I don’t think she would have said yes in front of the other girls dancing very close by)

PERHAPS THIS IS JUST MY OWN SMALL EXPERIENCE-CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS NO ORAL BUSINESS FOR ME?

CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WOULD IT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO PAY 40MILL FOR THE ROOM ONCE AND THEN USE IT A FEW TIMES WITH DIFERENT GIRLS MAKING TRIPS DOWN TO THE BAR ? OR DID I NEEDLESSLY PAY THE 40MILL TWICE ON MY FIRST EVENING THERE?

We had a pre-sex shower together (showering together is nice and a good way to ensure you don’t leave your wallet unattended with her - though she was harmless in that respect and I did not feel uncomfortable for 1 minute) and then some fantastic sex in many positions I did not think physically possible!! I think I tipped her 10-20mill I think, I can’t recall. I went down stairs collected the ID’s, she went back to the disco, and I grabbed a cab to my hotel.

Day 3: At around 6.00 pm I grabbed a cab and asked if he spoke English he shook his head. I said Club Nadide Nisantasi he shook his head. I said Nisantasi he said yes and I got in. When in Nisantasi he stopped got out and asked for directions to Nadide.

Small brown/gold hand painted/printed sign saying Nadide & Enjoy outside, went up small flight of steps and range the bell. A madam type woman answered the door. I smiled said Merhaba! and walked in and said Ingilize? And we started to talk. I guess this is the English speaking “*****” type person a previous posting talks about. I think the secret is to be relaxed smile and be polite.

I asked what girls where available and there were 5. They were all Turkish and not very good locking (perhaps because this was Sunday evening). The madam took me to side room where she quizzed me a little (I guess trying to decide if I am the “Polis”). She asked my name, which country I am from…etc to which I smiled and answered trying to put her at ease. She said that either I could pick the girl or if I told her what I was after she could advise on which girl would best suite my particular cravings. In the end I picked the one that I thought was best looking (without telling the madam what I wanted-with hindsight I guess I should have, I should not have been shy to say sex, bj, ….etc). Payment was made to this madame at this point, whom kept saying (rightly) that I would pay no more in the room.

Anyway was shown to a massage room and the girl entered, she gestured to a wardrobe and slippers and also to another room across the corridor and said “douce” (sp?) meaning shower and left. I got undressed and I walked into the shower. She then came and closed the door to the massage room and there was a key in the keyhole. She locked the massage room and handed me the key and walked back to the reception/waiting area. I had a shower and went back the massage room unlocking it myself. She came in, I got on the massage bench and she proceeded to massage me and as she did so we tried to talk, a bit of Turkish and a bit of English. After about ten minutes or so she gestured to me to turn over and massaged my legs (I had a towel still around my waist). After a while she pulled off the towel & pointed to my **** and nodded at me. I laughed and said Evet!, she performed a BBBJ but would not take off her clothes, only hitching up her skirt. She only let me feel her breasts, legs and arse. I asked for sex she said no. I didn’t really feel turned on (though the BBBJ was OK and but the hand job a bit harsh on my **** !) I gestured to her to stop after about 10 minutes and got off the bench and gestured that I was not going to climax. She left and I got dressed.

The madam then came back and asked what was wrong, I said the girl was fine but I was just not aroused enough. I finished getting dressed and headed to the reception/waiting area where the madam approached me again. She then said to me that I could have the mobile phone number of the girl if I wanted. I said that this was my penultimate day in Istanbul and I declined the offer of the number and left. Had I been in town for a few more days I would have visited again at a more busy time or taken the girls number.

I walked back to my hotel, having a good look at Nisantasi. It is one of the better areas of Istanbul I think with lots of familiar Western European shops and Banks, even a Marks & Spencer’s of things!!

This being my last evening to go to Serenda, I thought this time I would go early. That night I got there at about 11.00pm. The entry fee written on the wall was 13mill this time, the Sunday rate? And also an all-nighter is till about 4 or 5 am what ever time you start. So for it to be worthwhile you will need to be in the hotel room with your girl as early as possible.

I was looking for the girl that offered to stay at my hotel but I could not spot here. After an hour or so I picked the Romanian girl from my first night and paid her $100 at the start plus $20 tip at the end for the night till 4.30 am. I paid a further 1mill lira at the front desk when collecting the passports for the phone calls she made whilst in the room to her so boyfriend…hmmm!. The room was still 40mill that night. This was the girl I saw twice, she was really beautiful. On this occasion we did nothing but talk, I was content just to look at her and touch her face.

TO MARIO: Sir, I know exactly what you mean about falling in Love. So warm, gentle, fragile, beautiful and kind. No less flesh and blood than you or I and certainly no less with feeling or emotion or hopes and dreams than you or I my friends. In another time and place I would have fallen head-over-heels and spent a lifetime chasing, wooing and romancing her. She is still swimming around in my mind.

I wish I had followed the advice not to see a girl twice.

I hate the f***ing pimps. Does that now make me a hypocrite? One exploiter’s distain for another? I wonder, who is worse the Punter or the Pimp.



On that night I noticed that all the girls where trying to catch my eye. Perhaps they had noticed that I had been there on three consecutive nights and had money to spend or perhaps the girls talk amongst themselves as to which guy pays how much and tips how much, what currency he uses and how he treats the girls or maybe simply because there weren’t so many guys in there on Sunday night. Who knows! Who cares!

Also my waiter friend from previous nights greeted me warmly again and showed me to a good table. I kept up the tips. On that night I developed quite a conversation with him. He told me about the places, towns, resorts he had worked and I told him a little bit about myself. If I visit Istanbul again and I go there I will ask for him by name. With hindsight what I should have done was quizzed him about similar establishments in the area-sadly I did not do this.

CAN ANYONE TELL ME ABOUT THIS - PUBLICLY OR PRIVATELY? VARIETY REALLY IS THE SPICE OF LIFE !!

Day 4:

My flight-out was in the late afternoon and I only had one thing left that I wanted to do. That was to see a genuine Turkish Brothel, Genelev. My hotel was about a 10-15 minute walk from the place. I know that postings here say they are disgusting but I just wanted to eyeball the place for myself.

Anyway I found the place in Zurafa Street (close to a Synagogue near the Galata Tower & Galata Bridge). One Turk walked in before me having flashed his id. I walked in next, speaking English; I said could I go in. The policeman at the gate said in broken English “Turk only” and he looked around nervously, there were a few Turkish guys queuing behind me. Needless to say I did not argue with him and I walked off. I think had there not been people behind me he may have asked me for a fee/tip and let me in, who knows.

Early afternoon checked out of hotel and went to the airport and back home………….

Prior to my trip, I was also planning to take in the Demirkoy Hotel on one night. I liked the idea of the Moroccan girls, but the last few postings about that on the board left me a little confused about its exact location and whether or not it is still a happening place and given that it’s quite a long way out to the airport (and to return having made a fruitless journey), I did not bother to go there.

In addition I would have tried the services of the Madam that was discussed in postings earlier had I managed to obtain the number. Hint Hint !

I may visit again at the end of September 2002 again for 3 or 4 days but will almost certainly have local female Turkish company, again. If I can get away in the evenings by myself , I will check things out again.

My email is wsg_1000@yahoo.co.uk

If anybody wants to ask any specific questions, though after the length of this posting, I suspect that I will not be asked many questions…just email me.

By the way during the daytime I was shown around the city by a couple of female Turkish friends I have that live in Istanbul, (needless to say they where not aware of my nocturnal activities). A truly beautiful city full of so much history, I loved it.

Turkish women are really very beautiful. If I had more time I would have spent time in the evenings in regular bars to meet regular girls.