Jakarta

[QUOTE=SmallBird; 1446520]Bro,

Another thing is all 5 are freebies?[/QUOTE]In fear of sounding like an arrogant prick (I am really not) I never pay for play. Sometimes I give a girl 100.000 for taxi money, but even that rarely happens. If I meet a girl in a mall for the first time, I never take her home right away. It always goes like we exchange bb pin or whatsapp. After that I talk to her through whatsapp or whatever and build a bit of a connection. Then make an appointment to meet again (sometimes they come straight to my place) but mostly we meet in a cafe. There I pay of course for all the drinks etc and after that the girl comes with me.

If I invite my squeeze to a cafe I pick up the tab, mostly around 300.000 rupia or so for the both of us, so technically this might not count as a freebee. Some girls want to be taken to the movies (around 80.000 for one ticket in Kuningan City mall) and after that they want to see my place, so again this might not count as a freebee because I am of course the one who pays the movie. Again others want to take dinner with you not at the "Pinggir jalan" of course so that means dinner in a nice place at a mall which will typically cost around 200.000 rupia or more.

But if you meet them the second time they will mostly straight go to your place without any money involved so that will then be a real freebee.

Actually I don't care to pick up the tab in a cafe, cinema or restaurant because I think that's just natural, even if I pay for dinner, drinks or movie I still count it as a freebee.

Same thing with the girls I meet on internet, we exchange pin or whatsapp and go from there.

The thing is you must be a fun guy to talk to and don't worry most Indonesian girls really love bad boys. I always tell them I have many girls and I sleep with many girls (because they always ask, do you have many girls?) It only makes them more interested in you, even the ones that (pretend they) only want a serious guy.

When you meet them you got to take the lead from the first second, just be confident and joke to her and show her you are not a boring shy guy. Just come close to her very fast, they love it believe me. The only thing you don't do is french kiss her in public or feel her up in public because she will run.

It's so increadibly easy, actually too easy after having had 20 or more girls this way I kinda feel I need a break, I want to go traveling to some remote places like I used to do when I was young.

[quote=euremia; 1445268]apart from in-car action, perhaps in-karaoke room actions worth mentioning too.

here i refer to the normal, family karaoke which are mostly located inside a shopping malls (gajah mada, pluit, sarinah.) and not the one in one-stop entertainment establishments.

i did this a few times last years, went with the girls (all of them were normal girls since i don't like the working girls) to have 1 single room for karaoke, often for 1h. then the best part, all ended with with bj and cim (seem they had no other options but cim. then left. i felt this experience even more thrilling than in-car actions since the door was not locked and someone could just open and come in any time. the most interesting one was with a chinese girl in the family karaoke room in kelapa gading where she gave the bj while i stood just next to the door to watch out if anyone was coming. she finished it with a cim while looking up at me. fantastic.[/quote]this brings back fond memories to the "olden days" when i used to live in bandung. back in those days i was very short on cash and i used to stay in a very cheap rundown losmen somewhere near the bemo terminal. my room (fly pit) was located next to the kitchen (hot as hell because they were always cooking there) but of course the price came with a discount. there was no wall between my room and the kitchen it was just separated by a curtain (with a lot of holes in it).

one morning i was making love with a gorgeous sudanese girl while one of the losmen girls was cooking, and of course the girl could hear all our action. then my eyes moved to the curtain and i could saw a shadow and an eye peeking through one of the holes, turned out the girl had abandoned her cooking and was now watching us. i told the girl about this (was not scared she would run of because she had a very wild streak also) and she loved it. when it was my time i got my cock out and pointed it to the curtain and gave it and the girl standing behind it (who was too slow to react) a good shower.

we were actually thinking about inviting her to join but by that time she had ran off leaving her cooking.

[QUOTE=Mighty Spearsman; 1446102]Only one post. Who are you? Do you even live in Indonesia?

RTFF![/QUOTE]True I am new to ISG. And no I don't live in Indonesia.

Do you have to live here to use an international forum? Wasn't aware.

Are you the forum police? If you don't want to answer a simple question from a newbie, just leave it. Don't have to comment everything, to get the numbers of your post higher up!

[QUOTE=JustABule;1446336]So it is just as easy to get chicks during ramadhan then it is after or before Ramadhan[/QUOTE]I don't agree with that and think it's misleading for guys considering visiting Jakarta during Ramadhan. It's not as easy to get chicks during Ramadhan. You can still get them, but it's not as easy. If your sole source of girls is dating sites and mall hunting then you won't notice as much difference as you will if you like going to the great variety of "massage" places and discos. But Ramadhan does hinder things, especially as it gets closer to idul fitri since the girls go home to their village and the city empties out.

Visiting Jakarta for the first time. Any info on great massages with plus-plus (HJ. Nothing much) would be appreciated.

Primarily looking for a great massage and HJ to finish it off.

I have my pm activated.

Gracias!

[QUOTE=JustABule; 1446625]In fear of sounding like an arrogant prick (I am really not) I never pay for play. Sometimes I give a girl 100. 000 for taxi money, but even that rarely happens. If I meet a girl in a mall for the first time, I never take her home right away. It always goes like we exchange bb pin or whatsapp. After that I talk to her through whatsapp or whatever and build a bit of a connection. Then make an appointment to meet again (sometimes they come straight to my place) but mostly we meet in a cafe. There I pay of course for all the drinks etc and after that the girl comes with me.

If I invite my squeeze to a cafe I pick up the tab, mostly around 300. 000 rupia or so for the both of us, so technically this might not count as a freebee. Some girls want to be taken to the movies (around 80. 000 for one ticket in Kuningan City mall) and after that they want to see my place, so again this might not count as a freebee because I am of course the one who pays the movie. Again others want to take dinner with you not at the "Pinggir jalan" of course so that means dinner in a nice place at a mall which will typically cost around 200. 000 rupia or more.

But if you meet them the second time they will mostly straight go to your place without any money involved so that will then be a real freebee.

Actually I don't care to pick up the tab in a cafe, cinema or restaurant because I think that's just natural, even if I pay for dinner, drinks or movie I still count it as a freebee.

Same thing with the girls I meet on internet, we exchange pin or whatsapp and go from there.

The thing is you must be a fun guy to talk to and don't worry most Indonesian girls really love bad boys. I always tell them I have many girls and I sleep with many girls (because they always ask, do you have many girls?) It only makes them more interested in you, even the ones that (pretend they) only want a serious guy.

When you meet them you got to take the lead from the first second, just be confident and joke to her and show her you are not a boring shy guy. Just come close to her very fast, they love it believe me. The only thing you don't do is french kiss her in public or feel her up in public because she will run.

It's so increadibly easy, actually too easy after having had 20 or more girls this way I kinda feel I need a break, I want to go traveling to some remote places like I used to do when I was young.[/QUOTE]Bro,

I did this kind of hunting activity few times. If the girl appears attractive / nice attitude in someway, I fall in love with her. For sure, even the girl said looking for serious relatioship doesn't actually like serious at all.

This makes me in a bad condition.

For sure, I don't want to really have a serious relationship with them but am open to everything.

Is it because I am still young? How do you control your emotion when communicate with girl? Being rejected? Being fall in love? Being pulled by girl that actually fall in love with you?

This questions might be silly. Unfortunately for me, it happens routinely. It makes me kind of uncomfortable.

[quote=justabule; 1446633]this brings back fond memories to the "olden days" when i used to live in bandung. back in those days i was very short on cash and i used to stay in a very cheap rundown losmen somewhere near the bemo terminal. my room (fly pit) was located next to the kitchen (hot as hell because they were always cooking there) but of course the price came with a discount. there was no wall between my room and the kitchen it was just separated by a curtain (with a lot of holes in it).

one morning i was making love with a gorgeous sudanese girl while one of the losmen girls was cooking, and of course the girl could hear all our action. then my eyes moved to the curtain and i could saw a shadow and an eye peeking through one of the holes, turned out the girl had abandoned her cooking and was now watching us. i told the girl about this (was not scared she would run of because she had a very wild streak also) and she loved it. when it was my time i got my cock out and pointed it to the curtain and gave it and the girl standing behind it (who was too slow to react) a good shower.

we were actually thinking about inviting her to join but by that time she had ran off leaving her cooking.[/quote]bro,

i once had such chance, but i let it go. i am not as daring as you. you are one of the heroes in this forum. too bad i just get understand with this such late.

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From now on I will no longer make any layout edits in my posts. I'm fed up with the Facist Auto Correction.

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[QUOTE=JustABule; 1446625]In fear of sounding like an arrogant prick (I am really not) I never pay for play. Sometimes I give a girl 100. 000 for taxi money, but even that rarely happens. If I meet a girl in a mall for the first time, I never take her home right away. It always goes like we exchange bb pin or whatsapp. After that I talk to her through whatsapp or whatever and build a bit of a connection. Then make an appointment to meet again (sometimes they come straight to my place) but mostly we meet in a cafe. There I pay of course for all the drinks etc and after that the girl comes with me.

If I invite my squeeze to a cafe I pick up the tab, mostly around 300. 000 rupia or so for the both of us, so technically this might not count as a freebee. Some girls want to be taken to the movies (around 80. 000 for one ticket in Kuningan City mall) and after that they want to see my place, so again this might not count as a freebee because I am of course the one who pays the movie. Again others want to take dinner with you not at the "Pinggir jalan" of course so that means dinner in a nice place at a mall which will typically cost around 200. 000 rupia or more.

It's so increadibly easy, actually too easy after having had 20 or more girls this way I kinda feel I need a break, I want to go traveling to some remote places like I used to do when I was young.[/QUOTE]This is also my method in Jakarta, since I've never paid for play (except in the entertainment places of course) though there are always expenses for restaurants, coffees or cinemas.

And though I am quite selective, I always have more potential girls than I could handle. They are all normal girls, and all are 7-8 in my scale if I am to score them. Quite a few of them were still virgin and couldn't have sex but could give all the other alternatives, including a 23 pretty girl who kept meeting me 5 months for that. But sometimes I also met girls who weren't not my cup of tea, and though I'd love to run, I still tried to be polite, invited them to drinks before making up some excuses to leave. Jakarta is sure one of the best places on earth for mongering.

[QUOTE=Euremia;1446900]I've never paid for play.[/QUOTE]I guess you consider your time not to be worth anything. It takes time to scour the internet dating sites and send message after message to a girl to get her to meet you. The reason I don't prefer the dating sites is that it is time consuming. I prefer just to go to the bar or massage place and pick out a girl. You always pay in some way, whether it's cash, your time, or emotionally.

I've been watching the posts here about pay vs non-pay. You probably end up paying at least as much for dating-site civilians as for P4P once you add up the taxi money, gifts, meals / drinks, whatever. So its not a money-based decision for me. In my case its about do I want to know what I'm getting or take a chance on the marketplace.

I have had my profile up on IndoCupid for about 6 weeks. I have almost 400 incoming expressions of Interest. Yes, some are howlers. But I'd say 60% are do-able and half of those are 7-9. Challenge is location, because INDO is so huge, many are too far for me to get to from where I would be.

I was in Medan for 3 days and Jakarta for 4 days in June, and am coming back to Jakarta in late July. I did all my work in advance on the IndoCupid site. Only had a little free time in Medan so I only lined up one 26 year old, but she was very hot and gave great GFE for 2 overnights. Total damage 300, 000 taxi money, some inexpensive shared room service food, and $40 USD cash for "her family". Don't know what I would have had to pay for that level of quality (best oral I ever got) and GFE for 2 all-nighters in the P4P market but I was well satisfied with the ROI on this civilian adventure.

In Jakarta I met with 7 women in 4 days, age range 20. 43 (I'm in my 60's so this is all young meat to me). I had arranged them all thru IC to come to my hotel and they knew what I wanted. It was remarkably easy to get quality women to do what I wanted and I'd say 5 of the 7 are definitely repeat-worthy. Other two are great friend material, but once was enuf in bed.

The benefit is no surprises. The challenge is when they get emotionally attached to you, which is what we avoid w / P4P. That has happened with one of them but we are dealing with it. THe downside is that you don't get the amazing find that blows your mind as can sometimes happen when you are hunting P4P.

I've mongered on almost every continent, and for me, at this stage in my life, I like using my time before travel to line up sure things online and know I will have lots of intense experiences. But I realize thats not right for everybody.

I am planning my next trip now (July 27-30) and am going for all new women, mostly in their 20's and early 30's. I have a long list of about 30 from IC that all said they'd meet me for play. Of that I have a short-list of 9 that I am emailing with regularly and will make my final choices soon. I'll let you guys know how it goes. But to echo others here, having tried Japan Cupid and Korea Cupid with a small handful of candidates, dealing with women on IndoCupid is like being a kid in a candy store. Huge selection and very good quality for a genuine GFE experience.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1446742]I don't agree with that and think it's misleading for guys considering visiting Jakarta during Ramadhan. It's not as easy to get chicks during Ramadhan. You can still get them, but it's not as easy. If your sole source of girls is dating sites and mall hunting then you won't notice as much difference as you will if you like going to the great variety of "massage" places and discos. But Ramadhan does hinder things, especially as it gets closer to idul fitri since the girls go home to their village and the city empties out.[/QUOTE]I don't mean picking up girls from clubs or bars because the bars have tighter opening hours and there will be less girls visiting during Ramadhan (I believe?) but I mean scoring girls from the mall or the internet, I see no difference, actually I am getting more action these first few Ramadhan weeks then I was getting before Ramadhan.

I never go to a club to pick up girls, just not to my liking, I rarely visit a club and if I do I never bring a girl home, I am mostly accompanied by a girl anyway.

[QUOTE=SmallBird; 1446844]Bro,

I did this kind of hunting activity few times. If the girl appears attractive / nice attitude in someway, I fall in love with her. For sure, even the girl said looking for serious relatioship doesn't actually like serious at all.

This makes me in a bad condition.

For sure, I don't want to really have a serious relationship with them but am open to everything.

Is it because I am still young? How do you control your emotion when communicate with girl? Being rejected? Being fall in love? Being pulled by girl that actually fall in love with you?

This questions might be silly. Unfortunately for me, it happens routinely. It makes me kind of uncomfortable.[/QUOTE]Falling in love is the biggest mistake you can possibly make. If you fall in love with an Indonesian girl (any girl really) you are like putty in her hands and she will use and abuse you any way she sees fit. Actually many girls will leave you right away if they sense you are needy or head over heels in love with them because it turns them off big time.

You just got to act like the MAN. That is what girls want. You got to be cool in any situation and you got to be cool with her. Just act like you don't need her and you have scores of other girls waiting for you. I always show my new girls my whatsapp list of pretty girls (about 30 now) and it makes them only more interested in me. Girls really love bad boys and Indonesian girls love them even more. Be confident, be cool and be funny, be an allround nice person to be around with and the girls will come with you almost without any exception, even the ones that are initially not into you, they will change their mind and come with you.

Also when you are with a girl for instance in a cafe or whatever, talk to the other people around you too, don't only focus on her, show her that you can talk and joke with anybody and she will think, wow that guy is fun, I cannot wait to check out his spring bed later.

My god I should not be giving all these advices, believe me most of the regulars on this forum know exactly what I am talking about because they do this every day.

I am not giving away more secrets to you, the rest is for you to find out yourself.

Goodluck Smallbird

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1447298]I guess you consider your time not to be worth anything. It takes time to scour the internet dating sites and send message after message to a girl to get her to meet you. The reason I don't prefer the dating sites is that it is time consuming. I prefer just to go to the bar or massage place and pick out a girl. You always pay in some way, whether it's cash, your time, or emotionally.[/QUOTE]Bro,

I resort to the same way as you do. For non-pro, sometimes they fall in love with me (don't know is real or not) , sometimes amazingly I fall in love with them!

Non-pro is time wasting for me. I only do it when I have plenty of time at that period.

In jakarta, p4p provides the best among the best to me. It justs doesn't deliver some sort of excitement on hunting. Otherwise, p4p is simply awesome.

[QUOTE=Wild Wind; 1447343]I've been watching the posts here about pay vs non-pay. You probably end up paying at least as much for dating-site civilians as for P4P once you add up the taxi money, gifts, meals / drinks, whatever. So its not a money-based decision for me. In my case its about do I want to know what I'm getting or take a chance on the marketplace.

I have had my profile up on IndoCupid for about 6 weeks. I have almost 400 incoming expressions of Interest. Yes, some are howlers. But I'd say 60% are do-able and half of those are 7-9. Challenge is location, because INDO is so huge, many are too far for me to get to from where I would be.

I was in Medan for 3 days and Jakarta for 4 days in June, and am coming back to Jakarta in late July. I did all my work in advance on the IndoCupid site. Only had a little free time in Medan so I only lined up one 26 year old, but she was very hot and gave great GFE for 2 overnights. Total damage 300, 000 taxi money, some inexpensive shared room service food, and $40 USD cash for "her family". Don't know what I would have had to pay for that level of quality (best oral I ever got) and GFE for 2 all-nighters in the P4P market but I was well satisfied with the ROI on this civilian adventure.

In Jakarta I met with 7 women in 4 days, age range 20. 43 (I'm in my 60's so this is all young meat to me). I had arranged them all thru IC to come to my hotel and they knew what I wanted. It was remarkably easy to get quality women to do what I wanted and I'd say 5 of the 7 are definitely repeat-worthy. Other two are great friend material, but once was enuf in bed.

The benefit is no surprises. The challenge is when they get emotionally attached to you, which is what we avoid w / P4P. That has happened with one of them but we are dealing with it. THe downside is that you don't get the amazing find that blows your mind as can sometimes happen when you are hunting P4P.

I've mongered on almost every continent, and for me, at this stage in my life, I like using my time before travel to line up sure things online and know I will have lots of intense experiences. But I realize thats not right for everybody.

I am planning my next trip now (July 27-30) and am going for all new women, mostly in their 20's and early 30's. I have a long list of about 30 from IC that all said they'd meet me for play. Of that I have a short-list of 9 that I am emailing with regularly and will make my final choices soon. I'll let you guys know how it goes. But to echo others here, having tried Japan Cupid and Korea Cupid with a small handful of candidates, dealing with women on IndoCupid is like being a kid in a candy store. Huge selection and very good quality for a genuine GFE experience.[/QUOTE]Bro,

You are great. Even I am younger than you, I have never ever achieved what you have mentioned above. A long list!