[QUOTE=Beaverhunter;1111084]Try The Shark Bar on Pedro Cal. It is owned by an american named Louie.[/QUOTE]Rocky's has an exellent big screen.
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[QUOTE=Beaverhunter;1111084]Try The Shark Bar on Pedro Cal. It is owned by an american named Louie.[/QUOTE]Rocky's has an exellent big screen.
[QUOTE=Jfregedie; 1111121]Is there a monger map for Sosua or Puerta Plata?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Here is the one I have for Sosua. Points out some key places.
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[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1111054]Guys,
I need to know where to go to watch the football games in Sosua this weekend.
Last time I went to Rocky's because they have the big screen there but the picture quality sucked and the owner / manager wanted to watch Canadian football and we had to watch the NFL games on the little TV in the restaurant area. I'm looking for a place that has multiple flat screen TV's etc.
I guess I should know the answer to this question seeing as I have been to Sosua a handful of times but TV is usually the farthest thing from my mind, hahaha.[/QUOTE]I've watched NFL action at the open-aired sports bar across from Classicos. He has a couple of flatscreens up, don't think they are HD but good spot. Friendly owner and can look at the action during commercials. I'll be there Sat. GO PAT'S!
This has happened in the last few days.
[quote=sidney;1111822]
[b]huge reduction of haitianas in the clubs![/b]
this has happened in the last few days.[/quote]they are all going to join the party over in haiti (some of them not by choice mind you) :
[b]haiti earthquake one year on: the squalid tent cities where [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] gangs and disease run rife[/b]
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346195/haiti-earthquake-year-dead-remembered-millions.html[/url]
just would like to add that it is no ones fault but haiti's that their country is still fucked up.
[quote=savepros321; 1111826]they are all going to join the party over in haiti (some of them not by choice mind you) :
[b]haiti earthquake one year on: the squalid tent cities where [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] gangs and disease run rife[/b]
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346195/haiti-earthquake-year-dead-remembered-millions.html[/url]
just would like to add that it is no ones fault but haiti's that their country is still fucked up. [/quote]your ignorance shows. haiti has been singled out and punished for being the first and only successful slave revolt in history and haiti gained her freedom in 1804. economic sanctions levied by the us slave owning government, crippling reparations forced by france on haiti (which were not paid up until 1947) and constant meddling by the us, france and canada which culminated in the kidnapping of the president of haiti in 2004 by us forces have all left haiti devastated. the earthquake was a particularly devastating blow. thus, before you make asinine comments, please read up about things before you write about them. if you did read about the history of haiti, you would clearly see that it was not their fault that the country is, as you so eloquently put it, still fucked up.
As they say in AM radio talk shows, long time listener first time caller. I've been lurking on the us forum since I discovered it a year ago. Mostly to get info on the AMPs in the bay area, mostly SF where I live near. I just recently noticed the tab for ISG. Didn't post any reports, except for one, on the US forum because of the legality of the scrunched discussed, but that doesn't apply to most areas talked about on ISG.
I just want to thank all the members that have contributed valid and useful info to this forum. It is because of why'all that just after one night of going through some reports (got up to page 80 the first time) that I hoped on the computer and booked a trip to DR. Going to be there March 31 thru April 4 and staying at NG.
I don't really have any questions now because why'all have really covered all the things a noob needs to know his first trip. I'm first generation born in the US (both parents from Mexico). So my Spanish should get me thru, even tho I should know more. I use to be fluent in Spanish until I entered the US education system where I lost most of it.
I just got a paid membership to this forum because I was interested in looking at the pics, so those have posted, thanks. I will post reports on my experiences and some pics. I know most noobs say that and never do. In the career I am in, one of the core values is Integrity First. So if I say I'm going to do something I will.
Look forward to my trip and to contribute to this forum. Hope to gain some of yalls trust so I could get some info possibly numbers on non-pros cause that seems to be the best experience in DR from what I have read. Have checked out Dominican Cupid. Really interested in those non-pro experiences but don't want to take the chance of striking out with one consider this is my first trip and will be there for less than I week.
So again, Gracias!
On my last post, if some words seem out of place or don't make sense it's because I typed it on my smartphone. Damn "word suggestion" feature and didn't proof read it.
[QUOTE=Iceman210;1111843]On my last post, if some words seem out of place or don't make sense it's because I typed it on my smartphone. Damn "word suggestion" feature and didn't proof read it.[/QUOTE]My smart phone is slowly learning Spanish.
I have most likely read some of your posts on the SF AMP scene. I get there about once a year and like to catch before making the trip. Hope you have a good time in Sosua.
[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist;1111836]Your ignorance shows. Haiti has been singled out and punished for being the first and only successful slave revolt in history and Haiti gained her freedom in 1804. Economic sanctions levied by the US slave owning government, crippling reparations forced by France on Haiti (which were not paid up until 1947) and constant meddling by the US, France and Canada which culminated in the kidnapping of the president of Haiti in 2004 by US forces have all left Haiti devastated. The earthquake was a particularly devastating blow. Thus, before you make asinine comments, please read up about things before you write about them. If you did read about the history of Haiti, you would clearly see that it was not their fault that the country is, as you so eloquently put it, still fucked up.[/QUOTE]An article from the book Collapse by Jared Diamond, [url]http://www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?storyid=4776.[/url]
An excerpt:
[quote]Why did the political, economic and ecological histories of these two countries — the Dominican Republic and Haiti — sharing the same island unfold so differently? Part of the answer involves environmental differences.
The island of Hispaniola's rains come mainly from the east. Hence the Dominican (eastern) part of the island receives more rain and thus supports higher rates of plant growth.
Hispaniola's highest mountains (over 10, 000 feet high) are on the Dominican side, and the rivers from those high mountains mainly flow eastwards into the Dominican side.
The Dominican side has broad valleys, plains and plateaus and much thicker soils. In particular, the Cibao Valley in the north is one of the richest agricultural areas in the world.
In contrast, the Haitian side is drier because of that barrier of high mountains blocking rains from the east.
Compared to the Dominican Republic, the area of flat land good for intensive agriculture in Haiti is much smaller, as a higher percentage of Haiti's area is mountainous. There is more limestone terrain, and the soils are thinner and less fertile and have a lower capacity for recovery.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist;1111836]Your ignorance shows. Haiti has been singled out and punished for being the first and only successful slave revolt in history and Haiti gained her freedom in 1804. Economic sanctions levied by the US slave owning government, crippling reparations forced by France on Haiti (which were not paid up until 1947) and constant meddling by the US, France and Canada which culminated in the kidnapping of the president of Haiti in 2004 by US forces have all left Haiti devastated. The earthquake was a particularly devastating blow. Thus, before you make asinine comments, please read up about things before you write about them. If you did read about the history of Haiti, you would clearly see that it was not their fault that the country is, as you so eloquently put it, still fucked up.[/QUOTE]Sorry, you've said nothing that I didn't already know. The slave revolt in Haiti was also the inspiration for Nat Turner's Rebellion here in the US (if you didn't know that).
All I see in your comment are a bunch of excuses. The country has a lot of corruption. Period. Just like Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe.
[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist;1111836]...and constant meddling by the US, France and Canada which culminated in the kidnapping of the president of Haiti in 2004 by US forces have all left Haiti devastated.[/QUOTE]
Where is your source of reference for this info? Because that comment comes off more as speculation than fact.
[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1112023]Sorry, you've said nothing that I didn't already know. The slave revolt in Haiti was also the inspiration for Nat Turner's Rebellion here in the US (if you didn't know that).
All I see in your comment are a bunch of excuses. The country has a lot of corruption. Period. Just like Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe.
Where is your source of reference for this info? Because that comment comes off more as speculation than fact. [/QUOTE]Believe it or not, there is very little government corruption for the simple reason that there is very little government there. TO be sure, the little government that there is can be safely considered as corrupt but they are in the pay of the big powers. The Haitian State, such as it is, has been dismantled and it is now a country run by NGOs.
As for the sources, the best source is "An Unbroken Agony" by Randall Robinson. He went with a USA Congresswoman to rescue Aristide when he was whisked away by USA forces to the Central African Republic. Robinson gives an eyewitness account of the whole affair (complete with Aristide's pilot who was an eyewitness of the President's involuntary departure). Another good book is Damming the Flood by Peter Hallward, a very well-researched book with documented footnotes.
Even the last OAS representative to Haiti, Ricardo Seitenfus has admitted that "Today it's worse with Haiti turned 'into a capitalist country, an export platform for the American market, it is absurd' and deeply exploitive. 'More than 90% of the education and health systems are in private hands. The country has no public resources for the functioning of an official system even in a minimal fashion. When the unemployment (underemployment) rate is at 80, deploying a stabilizing mission is intolerable. There is nothing to stabilize. Its mandate in Haiti is to keep peace of the cemetery. '
In short, the evidence that Haiti has its ills foisted upon it by outside powers is overwhelming if you just dig into its history. The current Haitian "government" is one that has foisted upon the Haitian people after the 2004 intervention and has very little popularity. The latest election shennanigans (Nov 28) shows that the USA, France, etc. Intend to keep on with the farce of the sham election. Only about 28% (if that) voted in the elections and the election fraud was so obvious and manifest that they are struggling to find a way to justify it (This after not letting the most popular party participate, like outlawing the Republican Party in Oklahoma).
I have been Haiti a few times now, speak Creole and have read up on the situation quite a bit. I have talked to a lot of Haitians about this and have heard many sides but the havenots all want Aristide back. What Haiti needs is for MINUSTAH (UN forces) to leave, the US to leave, and for true, all-inclusive participatory elections to take place. No, the Haitian people do NOT deserve their lot. The US media conveniently ignores the salient reasons behind Haiti's misery. Reading up on the history is a onerous task. It requires work and an understanding of the country. In any case, Haiti is NOT Zimbabwe.
Have you read up on Haitian history? Do you speak Creole? Have you visited Haiti very much? Are there any books that say that Haiti is "fucked up" just because there is corruption? (and no explanation for that corruption except that they are poor Third World Blacks)? I don't think so.
[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1111990]An article from the book Collapse by Jared Diamond,
[url]http://www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?storyid=4776.[/url]
An excerpt:[/QUOTE]That explains the weather side but not the historical side. Haiti used to be the richest colony in the Americas. It is hard to believe but it generated far more money for France than the 13 colonies did for England. One reason for the deforestation is the dire economic situation of the people. Their agriculture was also damaged by the US insistence on killing their native pig population and on removing tariffs on rice imports. The US occupation of Haiti from 1915-1934 and the oppressive Haitian Army they set up resulted in further decades of oppression and destitution of the peasant population. With nothing else to cook with (coal, electricity, gas, etc.) , it is hardly surprising that the forests were stripped. This coupled with the climatic conditions explain the current state of the Haitian countryside. Diamond gives some insight but that is not the whole picture.
[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist; 1112155]In short, the evidence that Haiti has its ills foisted upon it by outside powers is overwhelming if you just dig into its history. The current Haitian "government" is one that has foisted upon the Haitian people after the 2004 intervention and has very little popularity. The latest election shennanigans (Nov 28) shows that the USA, France, etc. Intend to keep on with the farce of the sham election. Only about 28% (if that) voted in the elections and the election fraud was so obvious and manifest that they are struggling to find a way to justify it (This after not letting the most popular party participate, like outlawing the Republican Party in Oklahoma).
I have been Haiti a few times now, speak Creole and have read up on the situation quite a bit. I have talked to a lot of Haitians about this and have heard many sides but the havenots all want Aristide back. What Haiti needs is for MINUSTAH (UN forces) to leave, the US to leave, and for true, all-inclusive participatory elections to take place. No, the Haitian people do NOT deserve their lot. The US media conveniently ignores the salient reasons behind Haiti's misery. Reading up on the history is a onerous task. It requires work and an understanding of the country. In any case, Haiti is NOT Zimbabwe.
Have you read up on Haitian history? Do you speak Creole? Have you visited Haiti very much? Are there any books that say that Haiti is "fucked up" just because there is corruption? (and no explanation for that corruption except that they are poor Third World Blacks)? I don't think so. [/QUOTE]I can only go by what the people who actually live there have to say about it:
[b][i]"Honest people don't go into politics in Haiti. To be in politics you have yo belong to a closed circle of men who think only of themselves, who at times can resort to killing."[/i][/b]
-Port-au-Prince Police Chief who has survived 2 assassination attempts believed to be ordered by politicians.
@23:16 in the video.
[b][i]"Corruption is not only in the Justice system. In Haiti, corruption is everywhere. You have corruption in the customs, you have corruption in the tax office."[/i][/b]
-Former Minister of Justice.
@34:19 in the video.
[b][i]"The Red Cross, USAID, World Vision, those people care, they want to help us. But our leaders won't sit down with us."[/i][/b]
-Mr. Osay (spelling) , a resident who lost everything in the earthquake.
@38:40 in the video.
He later goes on to say @39:10:
[b][i]"It's economic power which makes you an adult. It's not your age, it's your economic power. In Haiti, the system is so rotten that whatever your age, you always remain a child"[/i][/b]
The Video: Battle for Haiti (PBS Frontline Documentary) :
[url]http://video.pbs.org/video/1737171448[/url]
[b]NOTE: The people in the video are not blaming their corruption problems on outside forces like the US or Canada. [/b]
SavePros.
Is there anywhere in the world that honest people go into politics? Haiti is hardly unique in that aspect.