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[QUOTE=Forest;1555313]No profanities or sexual references are allowed whatsoever. Period. No ifs or buts. If our filters detect any of this, your profile / account will be closed. (This notice is displayed to all members in our site)."[/QUOTE]It's true. I've been banned. Waited a few days to open a new account using a new handle, email address, and mobile number, and that account was rubbished post haste. There are always other sites.
[QUOTE=Hutsori;1555316]It's true. I've been banned. Waited a few days to open a new account using a new handle, email address, and mobile number, and that account was rubbished post haste. There's always other sites.[/QUOTE]In the past, it was simply against their rules to offer money. I suppose it just depends on how they have their filters set. I typically say,
" I am not looking for a long term relationship, but rather something fun and naughty. You will not regret getting together with me at my hotel in Makati, as I am fun and will make you happy in the end that you spent the time with me (I cannot give you details without breaking DIA rules)."
Will I get banned for this? (I will know soon). I have always loved DIA, but I guess if I don't care to pay money, there is tagged. Com (where I can offer a girl cash for any specific sex acts I care to discuss, and nothing will ever happen). Any advice for other free sites? The pay sites are not terribly expensive either, its just that I hate to use my credit card on a dating site.
[QUOTE=Forest; 1555320]In the past, it was simply against their rules to offer money. I suppose it just depends on how they have their filters set. [/QUOTE]
I never mentioned money. My profile was sexually explicit - it lasted for 18 months. I considered it a filter to weed out those who were genuinely looking for her forever Prince Charming since they were quite unlikely to message me. Provided they read my profile (many didn't) those who messaged me knew from the get go what was offered and expected. Those who merely sent an interest or made me a favourite I'd follow up asking them to confirm they read my profile and understood what was is store for them.
Your message looks safe to me.
Tagged is good, badoo is okay, I like okcupid, the pickings on pinalove seem a bit meager, and I still find filipinocupid the best for me.
[QUOTE=Hutsori;1555316]It's true. I've been banned. Waited a few days to open a new account using a new handle, email address, and mobile number, and that account was rubbished post haste. There are always other sites.[/QUOTE]If you really want to re-join DIA open your account with a new handle, email address, and mobile number but this time clear out all your cookies on your computer beforehand. Alternatively use a different computer to register. Although you are only permitted one account on DIA, by doing this I have managed in the past to have 2 different accounts there at the same time.
If you guys would enjoy a handful through easter check out "Yopaj" in pinalove. That would give you sth to tell the grandchildren.
I am not a geographer but I think we need to keep some perspective about the population of women that short-tern visitors to the Philippines encounter.
There are 97 M people in the Philippines; and almost an exact 50% divide between males and females.
35% of the population is aged 0 to 14.
60% is aged 15 to 64.
5% is aged 65 and over.
So there are around 58 M people in the middle age range, so at a rough estimate (I cannot be fussed breaking this range down further), let's say 50 M are aged 18 to 50, which means 25 M women
Short-term visitors (aka sex tourists or businessmen or both) are in touch with only a very small proportion of this 25 million filipinas. These are the women who work in the sex industry, and some are on dating sites and chat sites and roam around malls looking for pick-ups. Let's be generous and say they number 1 million.
The other 24 million filipinas are going about their everyday life without having ever met a foreigner or even contemplated having sex with one. If they are on DIA or pinalove or FC or whatever desperately seeking a husband in their simple and naive way and are propositioned by guys seeking sex then they are going to react negatively.
They will quickly report such a profile or an approach to the web administrators.
Those of us who LIVE and WORK here encounter members of the 24 million normal women every day. These women have no idea what goes on in bars, Cafe Havana, LA Cafe, chat sites etc etc etc and go about their daily business in a very normal way.
It is WRONG to categorize all filipinas as being LBFMs or women who will go with anyone, anytime, but I hear such assertions made regularly as though every woman is available if you put in enough time and money.
Women in chat sites and bars and even "pick-up girls" in malls represent a very small portion of the total female population, and, in GENERAL terms, they are from the bottom level of the pond (with, of course, exceptions, as with any generalizations).
Come on RK. This stereotyping happens everywhere that single male sex tourists go. Most never get off their bar stool to experience other parts of the culture, country, or even city for that matter. They only go as far as where they have heard the hookers are. And it's nothing short of classical conditioning. That is all they know, therefore that is all there is.
How many guys on here have pitched a beotch because somebody posted a report about meeting a pinay, eventually having sex with her, and not giving her money? The complainer says well some girls are too shy to ask for money, but they ARE expecting you to give them some. I say bullshit. Get out and meet some regular chicks for a change. These guys do nothing but perpetuate the LBFM stereotype by assuming all pinay only go with foreign men for money because the kind of women they seek out and find are that kind. You see this same shit repeated in the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Brazil, and Colombia threads. If she is out for money then I don't know why she is with me, because I have never given her any yet she continues to come back.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1555476]Those of us who LIVE and WORK here encounter members of the 24 million normal women every day. These women have no idea what goes on in bars, Cafe Havana, LA Cafe, chat sites etc etc etc and go about their daily business in a very normal way.[/QUOTE]I lived there a number of years, running business's, living amongst the common folk. I respectfully disagree with this. My perception is prostitution is far bigger than the tip of the iceberg that the one week wonders see during there brief sex tourist visits. By far most urbansied Pinay's are all too well aware of prostitution activities. Just like western countries not all women are Full timers. The desperation to leave this wretched environment blurs the line between straight P4P & gold digging.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1555476]It is WRONG to categorize all filipinas as being LBFMs or women who will go with anyone, anytime, but I hear such assertions made regularly as though every woman is available if you put in enough time and money.[/QUOTE]Agreed 100%. Regardless of how endemic & widespread prostitution is in PI and how mercenary women are about gold digging, it is simply wrong to assume all are P4P.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1555476]Women in chat sites and bars and even "pick-up girls" in malls represent a very small portion of the total female population, and, in GENERAL terms, they are from the bottom level of the pond (with, of course, exceptions, as with any generalizations).[/QUOTE]It's really hard to put a precise figure on this, but again, my experience is that this is the tip of the iceberg.
Cheers mate.
AV
Unsurprisingly I suppose, I'm with RK on this subject. I've worked with a lot of highly intelligent, well educated Filipinas during my 10+ years here and fortunately I continue to do so. While I'm sure many of them were and are knowledgeable about the pervasiveness of poverty here, and about the prostitution that ensues from it, none are desperate to leave the country, all have good jobs, and none are searching for Western men to whisk them away. These women would not be caught dead in Café Havana or any similar establishments. Cultural differences notwithstanding they are as "normal" as well educated, upper middle class Western women.
I understand that guys here for a short time, with the objective of getting laid as frequently as possible with as many women as possible, have a somewhat more truncated perspective than RK and others who live here. But believe me, the skewed perspective of all or most women as available, ready to open heir legs for promising foreigners, is largely fiction. I think I'm safe in saying that most of the women with whom I've worked, or with whom I'm friendly would be repulsed by the archetypal fat guy in a tee shirt with cheap shorts and plastic sandals.
GE
[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1555476]These are the women who work in the sex industry, and some are on dating sites and chat sites and roam around malls looking for pick-ups. Let's be generous and say they number 1 million.
The other 24 million filipinas are going about their everyday life without having ever met a foreigner or even contemplated having sex with one.[/QUOTE]That sounds about right to me. Out of those 25 million, I've tried to get at a couple thousand. I've gotten to be text mates with a few hundred, but only gotten less than 10% of those to actually meet up. Then that of course is no guarantee for anything but maybe a snack. I find that even on the dating sites allot of times they are just curious and when it comes down to it, they don't have any intention of ever meeting. (Unless of course they're obvious players) So many I've met just love texting and asking allot of questions. I have a note page in my phone with standard replies I just copy and paste. Allot of times I have the answer ready before they even ask the next one. Then every couple months I start at the bottom and go back up, tell them I been patiently waiting.
Very interesting discussion here.
As respectfully as possible, I want to mention that I'm in my 20's and haven't paid for sex (yet). I'd like to think I have a different perspective since the girls are in my age range. Nothing wrong with chasing girls younger than you, just I'm a few years away from it. I can go up to a girl and can make it happen without cash.
I do think that most Filipino's know there is a ton of bad shit going down in Philippines on a daily basis. They might not mention it or talk about it, but they know. I don't think they give 2 shits though about what bar girls are doing. That subject has never came up unless I brought it up and even then, there's not much discussion on it. It's like this:
"So what do you think of bar girls?"
"They are dirty or bad, blah blah"
"Okay, great"
I don't give a shit myself about issues like that in my country, so I don't see why they would.
Do all girls want the foreign dick? No, but I think the average non-Filipino has a better shot at a girl than the average Filipino. I don't even think it is a question. Same goes for guys here. An average white girl or an average asian comes up to them and they have to choose one, I'm thinking they are going for the asian just because its different. No matter who you are, some girls just won't be interested in you, but I think being white is enough to get your foot in the door and give you a leg up on someone else.
Are all girls only P4P? Hell no. I've met tons of girls who wouldn't go for it for all the cash in the world. Have also met others who you aren't getting with unless you make a donation. The majority don't require money.
I saw the 10% fuck to fail ration thrown around and I do think it is correct.
I do agree that the girls most of us come in contact with are as Red-Kilt put it "bottom of the pond". I've met few who weren't otherwise. But hey, most of the Philippines is poor, so naturally, most of the girls we are going to meet are poor as well. It just makes sense.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;1558332]. It is funny who is scamming who on these dating sites. The cheap charlie looking for free pussy or the poon looking for easy money. Either way the legit looker / lookee will get scammed at least once.[/QUOTE]I moved this from the "General Info" thread.
You make a fair point Dg.
Many of the guys who complain about scammers on chat sites are themselves spinning a web of tales as well so just accept that it goes both ways. Guys also need to remember that any girl who has an attractive photo / s on any chat site is going to get many, many messages from other guys apart from their message.
I met a girl last week for snacks and a coffee (with her 2 friends, all 3 of whom are on PL) , and they are all quite attractive but with fairly straight forward photos. Nothing extra hot or anything.
They each told me that they get between 10 to 20 messages every day from guys, and they delete EVERY one if the guy is not actually in the Philippines when he sends the message.
They readily met me because they knew I lived in Manila and I agreed to meet them in a mall of their choosing. They also liked that my profile was direct and frank and told them exactly who I wanted to meet, and why.
These girls, and many others I suspect, are obviously also getting really experienced at spotting the "fakes".
It was very revealing to me to hear what they said about the bullshit that guys try to spin to them when they send a message.
Have a look at the number of profiles that now say "I am tired of guys telling me bullshit and lies, and that they will come and meet me when they have no intention of doing so".
It appears (although I think we already knew this) , that many guys (probably not serious travellers like ISG members) , just go online as a form of entertainment to chat with pretty girls on the other side of the world, promise them idiotic things and live out some fantasy with absolutely no intention of visiting the Philippines. The 3 girls that I met for coffee and snacks were obviously sifting these guys out from the pile by just deleting them and ignoring them, but those who take the bait and then get burned by these keyboard warriors obviously get very antagonistic towards foreigners in general.
I know it has been said many times before, but it is generally a waste of time to write to women unless you are either in the Philippines or only a week away from visiting, and you need to make that clear in your message.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1558404]It was very revealing to me to hear what they said about the bullshit that guys try to spin to them when they send a message.[/QUOTE]Well said, Red. It brings cheer to my heart to learn the girls are getting smarter about the nonsense guys tell them, and when they delete overseas senders' messages outright it works to my benefit. Yours too.