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[QUOTE=NilleCopenhagen;1644922]I rarely discuss the activities and with the girls before we go to the room. That's why we don't do anything in the room, just sleeping LOL.[/QUOTE]
To answer the original question, I always went to FKK alone. Not a problem, given you speak some English as must be the case to post on the forum. If you are very sociable type of guy you can end up getting some girl recommendations from other guys attending the club. Even after many years, I still listen to good advice.

Nille seems to be sarcastic, however I don't see the need to discuss activities with the girl before going to the room. I don't bother, generally. Maybe its a good idea for newbies. I never did when I was a newbie but that is 10 years ago. Actions speak louder than words.

My rules: Don't go with a girl as soon as she meets you. Take your time. Survey the total line up. Take time to choose. Do not let the girl choose you. Act nonchalant, with confidence, and don't admit you are a newbie. Know the prices, and act as though you have been to plenty of FKKs before. Its rare I would take any girl in the first 30 minutes unless she is my favourite.

If a girl tries to run through all the prices, I just say I know very well all the prices. If the girl wants to run through lots of rules, I prefer to run away. Good girls don't need to tell the man lots of rules in my experience. If she doesn't want to kiss, she can avoid my lips quite easily. She doesn't have to say anything. If the girl wants to charge 50 extra for kissing, I would normally think very hard before deciding its worth the risk. Usually it won't be. Plenty of girls kiss great for no extra charge. Don't blow your money with two girls at a time, or anal unless the girl is really good. Try to find very sweet girls instead of aggressive pushy girls. Even shy girls can be great, as long as they are not avoiding you. It may flatter you that girls could want you desperately, but its just a bullshit act.

Always remember, the very first girl chosen is likely to be a mistake, or at least well below what you could have got if you chose more carefully.

Don't let the girl molest you too far, or you will end up being expected to take a session. If the girl gets her mouth on your cock, you will have to pay. Its amazing to me how a guy will claim the girl was so quick, he couldn't stop her. That is just pathetic.

If you happen to be able to start with some highly recommended girls, that is probably going to start you on the right foot, as long as you are a nice guy type.

Make sure you are exceptionally clean in all areas at all times before a session or when approaching girls.

Who needs a tour? My first FKK was Tropicana in Duesseldorf. I did not know even what FKK was. I still managed to have a good time. My first year or 2 of FKK I did not know about any internet forums. We just managed with no advice, learning from experience. You can always find where the nearby clubs are with internet Google search. Go to some easy to get to, recommended clubs first.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1645375]Nille seems to be sarcastic, however I don't see the need to discuss activities with the girl before going to the room. I don't bother, generally. Maybe its a good idea for newbies. I never did when I was a newbie but that is 10 years ago.
[/QUOTE]Syz, you are a regular at the club you attend. You repeat girls, and you tend to do 1 hour sessions at 50 per half clubs. Word gets around, and you have said that girls know you as the posting man. You are definitely not a new to the scene. When I was a newbie I didn't negotiate either, but I have my share of falling for unnecessary extras. I think it's important to recognize how the girl handles you most importantly and getting an idea of what a girl will agree to do is better than being surprised. Not saying, I didn't go with some girls blindly. I've had some good sessions blindly and some bad, but only do it with stunners. In terms of girls taking charge, odd encounters I've had was couple girls pulled me to the couch and DFK'd me. As for going by reports, it's not so absolute the session will be good or bad, but a good guide line. Reason why I say this is that I've had great sessions with girls that were reported to be bad. You sometimes run into this occurrence on forums. It's not so absolute.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1645375]

My rules: Don't go with a girl as soon as she meets you. Take your time. Survey the total line up. Take time to choose. Do not let the girl choose you. Act nonchalant, with confidence, and don't admit you are a newbie. Know the prices, and act as though you have been to plenty of FKKs before. Its rare I would take any girl in the first 30 minutes unless she is my favourite.

If a girl tries to run through all the prices, I just say I know very well all the prices. If the girl wants to run through lots of rules, I prefer to run away. Good girls don't need to tell the man lots of rules in my experience. If she doesn't want to kiss, she can avoid my lips quite easily. She doesn't have to say anything. If the girl wants to charge 50 extra for kissing, I would normally think very hard before deciding its worth the risk. Usually it won't be. Plenty of girls kiss great for no extra charge. Don't blow your money with two girls at a time, or anal unless the girl is really good. Try to find very sweet girls instead of aggressive pushy girls. Even shy girls can be great, as long as they are not avoiding you. It may flatter you that girls could want you desperately, but its just a bullshit act.

Always remember, the very first girl chosen is likely to be a mistake, or at least well below what you could have got if you chose more carefully.

Don't let the girl molest you too far, or you will end up being expected to take a session. If the girl gets her mouth on your cock, you will have to pay. Its amazing to me how a guy will claim the girl was so quick, he couldn't stop her. That is just pathetic.

If you happen to be able to start with some highly recommended girls, that is probably going to start you on the right foot, as long as you are a nice guy type.

Make sure you are exceptionally clean in all areas at all times before a session or when approaching girls.

Who needs a tour? My first FKK was Tropicana in Duesseldorf. I did not know even what FKK was. I still managed to have a good time. My first year or 2 of FKK I did not know about any internet forums. We just managed with no advice, learning from experience. You can always find where the nearby clubs are with internet Google search. Go to some easy to get to, recommended clubs first.[/QUOTE]Every rule listed is proven successful and most guys will agree that it will work for most situations. I recommend this post for reports of distinction as it cover most scenarios in a straightforward and easy way.

Great job and valid advice.

I have a rule to turn away cold any girl who quickly approaches me in the first 15-20 minutes. I do this no matter how attractive she is. I suppose I give away a few winners, but by and large the ones desperate to get you first are the ones who don't have regulars. And there's a reason for that.

I've also found that the best way to turn away an aggressive seller is to tell her you just had a session with someone else. They will typically say "OK, maybe later" and go away. I suspect they think it will be too much effort, and take too long, to revive and satisfy a recently spent guy.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1645434]I have a rule to turn away cold any girl who quickly approaches me in the first 15-20 minutes. I do this no matter how attractive she is. I suppose I give away a few winners, but by and large the ones desperate to get you first are the ones who don't have regulars. And there's a reason for that.
[/QUOTE]I would say that for 95% of the good girls I ever had, I had to approach the girl. In rare cases the girl approached me first, I wasn't ready for her, and I later decided to approach her again. Great girls that came straight to me when I first arrived? Its possible but I can't remember any. Great girls should know that we don't like aggressive girls, and the aggressive moves will focus on newbies. Wasn't long since I was a "newbie" at MH and had girls coming at me from all angles in a cramped space. This did not appeal to me. I also prefer to ignore girls that sneak up from behind, like so its more difficult to dodge them, when not interested. If a girl tries to sit on me without any signs of interest from me whatsoever, I regard that as pushy behaviour also. If we already know each other well, that is different.

Many girls try to catch my eye, but I discourage them easily (the non aggressive ones) by not really being willing to pay any attention to them. Once the girl sees you eyeing her, they will feel that is an invitation.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1645451]I would say that for 95% of the good girls I ever had, I had to approach the girl. In rare cases the girl approached me first, I wasn't ready for her, and I later decided to approach her again. Great girls that came straight to me when I first arrived? Its possible but I can't remember any. Great girls should know that we don't like aggressive girls, and the aggressive moves will focus on newbies. Wasn't long since I was a "newbie" at MH and had girls coming at me from all angles in a cramped space. This did not appeal to me. I also prefer to ignore girls that sneak up from behind, like so its more difficult to dodge them, when not interested. If a girl tries to sit on me without any signs of interest from me whatsoever, I regard that as pushy behaviour also. If we already know each other well, that is different.

Many girls try to catch my eye, but I discourage them easily (the non aggressive ones) by not really being willing to pay any attention to them. Once the girl sees you eyeing her, they will feel that is an invitation.[/QUOTE]Hello Syzygies.

The one thing I don't like about Mainhatten is the location of the change rooms. The girls have to pass through that area in order to reach the other side of the building, containing the kino and dining area. When a person is changing, they should not be ambushing the clients. This not professional and should be off limits. I always ignore any and all advances while in this area. The seating and bar area is not as small as you might think, but it is well lit. The girls do approach the men on the sofas and around the bar area. You are fair game in that area. Last week at Oase, I was just sitting down on one of the couches and relaxing, when a girl just flopped herself onto my lap. I gave her a quick lecture on manners and shooed her away. One time in Sharks, I was sleeping on one of the upstairs sofa beds when a girl just plopped her ass down by my pillow and asked for a session. These advances are far worse than what you would ever experience at MH. I usually just give the girls a couple of minutes and chat with them, but I usually just tell them that I will find them when I am ready. The girls are OK with that. MH is generally more relaxing than some of the other places I have visited. You can usually find a hiding place in the kino and the beds near the sauna area. Overall, I find the girls give nice GF service without withholding services or upselling. Since you are a 1 hour session guy, the girls will give you good service.

Best of luck!

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;1645471]Hello Syzygies.

The one thing I don't like about Mainhatten is the location of the change rooms. The girls have to pass through that area in order to reach the other side of the building, containing the kino and dining area. When a person is changing, they should not be ambushing the clients. This not professional and should be off limits. I always ignore any and all advances while in this area. The seating and bar area is not as small as you might think, but it is well lit. The girls do approach the men on the sofas and around the bar area. You are fair game in that area. Last week at Oase, I was just sitting down on one of the couches and relaxing, when a girl just flopped herself onto my lap. I gave her a quick lecture on manners and shooed her away. One time in Sharks, I was sleeping on one of the upstairs sofa beds when a girl just plopped her ass down by my pillow and asked for a session. These advances are far worse than what you would ever experience at MH. I usually just give the girls a couple of minutes and chat with them, but I usually just tell them that I will find them when I am ready. The girls are OK with that. MH is generally more relaxing than some of the other places I have visited. You can usually find a hiding place in the kino and the beds near the sauna area. Overall, I find the girls give nice GF service without withholding services or upselling. Since you are a 1 hour session guy, the girls will give you good service.

Best of luck!

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]I've only been to MH once. So maybe that is just far too little experience to chip in here. But as a regular reader of the Oase and Sharks forums, I think I have a good idea of the type of girl Syzygies likes (discussion on Oase yesterday about it). I would be amazed if you find the pretty, A cup stunner you are looking for in MH. I stayed there 3 hours before getting a cab to Palace (which despite v negative reports I much preferred). If you are a smoker MH is good as there is a dedicated smoking room behind glass on the left from the reception. The rooms are also very impressive, large and good temperature. The food was good. But I'm afraid the LU was just awful and I really struggled in 3 hours to find a girl I wanted to session with. When I did, despite making it clear that if the service was good I'd want an hour (I'm with you on preferences Syzygies) the service (think is was Raisa or something similar. Said she was half Turkish and looked it) was really poor and I departed after less than 30 minutes. Then spent an hour hoping some other girls would appear to improve the selection. No joy. Of the 5 FKK clubs I've tried in Germany - 4 in Frankfurt and Artemis in Berlin. MH was by far the worst on line up.

I'm off to make it number 6 in a few weeks in Dusseldorf. So. I've heard good things about Living Room / Kaarst though the forum there is very quiet. Other local clubs in Dusseldorf appear to be Dolce Vita (recent posts say LU is very weak with lots of heavy girls) or Acapulco. It's website makes it look very small indeed. My preferences are for very facially pretty girls (similar to Elizabeth (Hun) at Oase who are slim with large natural boobs though I'm not against sillies if they don't look silly! Is LR the obvious choice (for a Wednesday) or has anyone got a better suggestion? All help most appreciated. Finally. Does anyone know Dessous day at LR? Thanks.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1645478]
I'm off to make it number 6 in a few weeks in Dusseldorf. So. I've heard good things about Living Room / Kaarst though the forum there is very quiet. Other local clubs in Dusseldorf appear to be Dolce Vita (recent posts say LU is very weak with lots of heavy girls) or Acapulco. It's website makes it look very small indeed. My preferences are for very facially pretty girls (similar to Elizabeth (Hun) at Oase who are slim with large natural boobs though I'm not against sillies if they don't look silly! Is LR the obvious choice (for a Wednesday) or has anyone got a better suggestion? All help most appreciated. Finally. Does anyone know Dessous day at LR? Thanks.[/QUOTE]It's NRW so it's Dessous at LR and ACA every day and DV every day except Mondays and Tuesdays til 8 pm.

ACA is small? ACA is as large as both DV and LR combined. ACA is your best bet for a Wednesday night after 7 pm. If you are taking public transit you may want to opt for LR for convenience. DV will have fewer and not as pretty girls as either ACA or LR.

If you're there all day Wednesday and have a car then a GT / LR combo for 95 euro is your best bet.

Is it dessous in all the NRW clubs except DV (during the day on Mon and Tue)? Is GT DESSOUS all the time? Why is NRW dessous heavy?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1645484]It's NRW so it's Dessous at LR and ACA every day and DV every day except Mondays and Tuesdays til 8 pm.

ACA is small? ACA is as large as both DV and LR combined. ACA is your best bet for a Wednesday night after 7 pm. If you are taking public transit you may want to opt for LR for convenience. DV will have fewer and not as pretty girls as either ACA or LR.

If you're there all day Wednesday and have a car then a GT / LR combo for 95 euro is your best bet.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NoTaWorry;1645544]Is it dessous in all the NRW clubs except DV (during the day on Mon and Tue)? Is GT DESSOUS all the time? Why is NRW dessous heavy?[/QUOTE]Yes, all the big clubs in the NRW is lingerie day. Only the small rtc clubs are all nude.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1645375]My rules: Don't go with a girl as soon as she meets you. Take your time. Survey the total line up. Take time to choose. Do not let the girl choose you. Act nonchalant, with confidence, and don't admit you are a newbie. Know the prices, and act as though you have been to plenty of FKKs before. Its rare I would take any girl in the first 30 minutes unless she is my favourite.[/QUOTE]Depends if you are a first timer or not. Having a little experience with FKKs I often take a girl to the room after seeing her the first time and talking to her for 2 or 3 minutes. If I want her, I want her. I don't care if there is a "risk" of a bad session. The "risk" is 50 EUR, nothing more. You don't have to marry her to fuck her, you don't have to get divorced to get rid of her.

HB.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1645484]It's NRW so it's Dessous at LR and ACA every day and DV every day except Mondays and Tuesdays til 8 pm.

ACA is small? ACA is as large as both DV and LR combined. ACA is your best bet for a Wednesday night after 7 pm. If you are taking public transit you may want to opt for LR for convenience. DV will have fewer and not as pretty girls as either ACA or LR.

If you're there all day Wednesday and have a car then a GT / LR combo for 95 euro is your best bet.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. Very useful. I didn't realise dessous was so popular in NRW. I only arrive in Dusseldorf at 18.30 so by the time I have checked in the hotel and get going it will be 7. 30 pm before I start travelling to the FKK club by public transport or taxi. I know taxis are expensive but given the likely spend in the club and how seldom I get to visit these clubs I don't deprive myself of the best option by refusing a taxi.

I have no knowledge of ACA other than looking at the website where it just looks a bit small other than the pool. Several guys I met in the FRA clubs say LR has a great line up. I tend to prefer the bigger clubs so if ACA is a lot bigger than LR or DV and has a good line up I'd be likely to go for that. How much would a taxi be? Website says its 20 km from Dusseldorf so shouldn't be too much? I was planning on getting a taxi to LR before reading your suggestion. You suggested ACA is best for a Wednesday though mentioned LR better for public transport. If you think the line up is likely to be much better at ACA I'll go there instead. Some info on the general numbers there compared to LR would be much appreciated. Thanks.

ACA is 40 km from downtown Dusseldorf and about the same from the airport if you take the highway. It will not be cheap to get there by taxi. I'm guessing 50-60 euro each way. Much cheaper to rent a car for the day. PM FinnishFucker for public transit to ACA. I think he says it takes an hour.

On a weekday I would choose ACA for girls over LR for selection. On a weekend night it would be more even. At either time ACA will have more girls. LR is really small. A room, an eating tent, and a hallway / bar area. Read the ACA thread for more details. Definitely not a party club being it's a no-ask club so it's basically girls sitting around and guys standing. LR is 60 entry, ACA is 40 entry (30 after 9 pm) so that may offset some of your taxi price. ACA is 40 for half hour, LR is 50. Either way you will have fun.

Not recommending over the 2 aforementioned clubs but isn't the new Oceans a large club that may be what you're looking for.

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub;1645579]Depends if you are a first timer or not. Having a little experience with FKKs I often take a girl to the room after seeing her the first time and talking to her for 2 or 3 minutes. If I want her, I want her. I don't care if there is a "risk" of a bad session. The "risk" is 50 EUR, nothing more. [/QUOTE]

Agree 100%.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1645579]Depends if you are a first timer or not. Having a little experience with FKKs I often take a girl to the room after seeing her the first time and talking to her for 2 or 3 minutes. If I want her, I want her. I don't care if there is a "risk" of a bad session. The "risk" is 50 EUR, nothing more. You don't have to marry her to fuck her, you don't have to get divorced to get rid of her.

HB.[/QUOTE]I agree + You don't even have to cum with / on / in her! I save myself for better choices sometimes. Sometimes the girls seem upset. I tell them that the experience is more important than the actual finish. If you end up sessioning with 3-4+ girls everyday for a few days maybe it's better that you don't finish with all of them saving your energy for more fun, if you contain yourself sometimes. 50 eur (max) to bang a hottie. Really nothing to loose if you think about it.

I give up once the girl does not give me proper kissing, as I know that I would not be able to finish when there is no GFE feeling. Better to save my energy for others and just write off the 50 Euros. I had 2 such encounters last week where I initiated early termination because the girls gave me perfunctory or no kissing: Marina, a short cute dancer in World; and Nicole, a tall newly-arrived blonde in Oase, even though they might well have given good service subsequently.