Manila

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1184459]Thanks for your sympathy CS, it is indeed a heavy burden to bear.

There is, I think another category of guys among the permanent residents here, and for want of a better term, I call them "opportunists," in which category I would likely include myself. These are guys who have relatively "normal" lives here; get up and go to work every day, come home to dinner and a glass of wine in the evening, and who are probably sustaining long-term relationships that they enjoy. They are not proactive, and thus rarely look for extra curricular sexual opportunity, but are not averse to taking advantage of it if it presents itself, and it does tend to present itself here with a certain amount of consistent regularity. It's been my experience that the expats who actually work here, and who have thus made the country their home, strive for a reasonable degree of Western "normalcy" in their lives. To succumb to the endless supply of young, attractive women risks jeopardizing the normalcy and allowing one's life to go slightly off the rails. That is to risk losing one's center. If I were to immerse myself in the endless chances for screwing that exist here, I would severely weaken my ability to do my job every day, thus threatening my livelihood. GE[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you here GE. I've lived in many countries now, including Philippines.

When I was in Manila, I would be the good boy, working and living as normal. Maybe an afternoon massage here and there, the odd Sogo visit during daytime but nothing too much. If wife went overseas then I was in Burgos often and Sogo often but still returning home pre midnight so maid could report all was normal.

I saw these exactly as you state, as "opportunities".

However 3 times I have turned dwon good transfer opportunities to work in Bangkok. I know for a fact that I would "go off the rails" and lose all sense of proportion there. I think its to do with the fact that the sex is so open, so ubiquitous and so accepted. Recent trip there and a friend was telling me how hes paying for not one but two apartments where his mistresses are. Goes home once a week. Totally off the rails. I preferrred the Manila normalcy even though I found many opportunities for misbehaviour LOL. And of course, yesterday being Chinese New Year in Taipei, I found a great opportunity with a Filipina LOL. Ok back to work now.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1184935]Only girls I bareback are the ones I met through Dia and I come to know them.[/QUOTE]Me, I just get to know them to come.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1184935]Usually I put her on the pill. It is easily available and just make sure the girl goes to get it alone. Pharmacists

May say no if they see somebody else with her.[/QUOTE]Never had any probs buying pills in PI, and I've bought a shitload of them. Just hand the pharmacy a piece of paper with the name (s). Sending a filipina alone to buy pills can actually screw things up, in addition to making her feel uncomfortable. A far as important things regarding pinays and pills: make (visually) sure that she actually takes them! Happy BB.

[QUOTE=Madisonguy;1184950]Personally I think it a bonus to spread my seed. I only see positives to creating a bunch of juniors. I'm actually planning my next baby making trip in a week or two. Ha ha[/QUOTE]Madisonguy, I have no intention of making this a flame-out. The above is disturbing and depraved on so many levels. UNLESS of course, you do take care of the consequences. An earlier poster stated that leaving 100% of the consequences to the woman left behind is immoral, and I can subscribe to that. Other posters have also stated that they do head off to the US Embassy once it is proven that the child is theirs. Once the paperwork is in order, you at least know you have not condemned your very own offspring to a life running through the gutters of Manila or on a bed with her legs spread while another guy plans and plants a junior in her.

Just like in football and hockey, don't play the game if you're afraid of getting hit

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1185067]Totally agree with you here GE. I've lived in many countries now, including Philippines.

However 3 times I have turned dwon good transfer opportunities to work in Bangkok. I know for a fact that I would "go off the rails" and lose all sense of proportion there. I think its to do with the fact that the sex is so open, so ubiquitous and so accepted. Recent trip there and a friend was telling me how hes paying for not one but two apartments where his mistresses are. Goes home once a week. Totally off the rails. I preferrred the Manila normalcy even though I found many opportunities for misbehaviour LOL. And of course, yesterday being Chinese New Year in Taipei, I found a great opportunity with a Filipina LOL. Ok back to work now.[/QUOTE]I hear you, but I don't think I'd be strong enough to turn down Bangkok. I worked there years ago and it's without doubt the best city in which I've ever worked or played. Most of the guys I know who work there hit the soaps once or twice a week during the middle of the day, or once in a while will develop a sudden business-related need to dash off to another "harmless" Thai city and then make a made dash to Pattaya for a couple of days. I agree that the temptations in Bangkok are well beyond my meager capacity to resist, but I think there are ways of managing the capitulation so that you can still live relatively normally.

GE

[QUOTE=Traveller China; 1185087]Madisonguy, I have no intention of making this a flame-out. The above is disturbing and depraved on so many levels. UNLESS of course, you do take care of the consequences. An earlier poster stated that leaving 100% of the consequences to the woman left behind is immoral, and I can subscribe to that. Other posters have also stated that they do head off to the US Embassy once it is proven that the child is theirs. Once the paperwork is in order, you at least know you have not condemned your very own offspring to a life running through the gutters of Manila or on a bed with her legs spread while another guy plans and plants a junior in her.

Just like in football and hockey, don't play the game if you're afraid of getting hit[/QUOTE]TC,

The attraction breeding impoverished Third World women holds for most mongers is the fact that they can walk away leaving 100% of the burden, financial and otherwise, to the impregnated girls and no one back home would know about it. The truth is the majority of mongers would not so readily engage in interracial sexual reproduction back in their homeland.

[QUOTE=Samchad; 1184498]Hi,

Can anyone tell me of a few places I can go during the day to get some full service? Any soapies in the area? I think I will be staying near the Mega Mall. I can't bring any girls to the hotel room.

Thanks for your help![/QUOTE]Hey man, only place I know near is at top Madison place, on pioneer st. I'm trying to remember name, but google massage in madison place.

Pioneer st about 10 mins south by bus from megamall, next to boni mrt

Cm, you are starting to go off the deep end.

I haven't had a mono racial relationship for twenty years or so.

QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1185178]TC,

The attraction breeding impoverished Third World women holds for most mongers is the fact that they can walk away leaving 100% of the burden, financial and otherwise, to the impregnated girls and no one back home would know about it. The truth is the majority of mongers would not so readily engage in interracial sexual reproduction back in their homeland.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1184856]Ah, I seriously doubt it. Especially based on the post right below. I'm not really buying the idea of the WGs not protecting with pills anyway. Maybe normal girls take such risk but there is no way WGs can be stupid enough to go without pills and then bareback without any extra incentive. I never paid the girls extra or promised them anything. I just told them it didn't feel good with the rubber, is it okay without? then it's like Okay, up to you. Even if they use rubbers they need the pill to ensure a broken rubber doesn't put them out of business.[/QUOTE]All of the working girls I know do not take pills unless they had a boyfriend or other that got her started on pills.

I know a lot of them also.

And I have some girls say just :cum on my stomach. Don't cum inside"

I mostly have steady girls now and don't do very many short time girls. So its really up to me.

With all of them I have had to get them started on pills and do a good hygiene check.

98% of them will do it without condoms/

I don't want to belittle the girls but they are undereducated or they are just taught not to do any birth control by the church.

The church even teaches them not to wear condoms. That it is a sin. (some of the priests and church leaders in Philippines)

I think its more of undereducated and also financial. They will not spend the money on the pills

[QUOTE=MauiDude; 1185575]All of the working girls I know do not take pills unless they had a boyfriend or other that got her started on pills.

I think its more of undereducated and also financial. They will not spend the money on the pills[/QUOTE]Concur. I think a gent said previously that the pills are cheap. To whom? The girls can rarely afford them. Its easy for one of us to start the girl on them, or if she has foreign guy sending money. But the wg I know don't use them because they don't like paying for them.

Met this girl through DIA, not much conversation with her there but she gave me her YM user name, after a "Hi" and "how are you". I usually take that as a sign that the girl is somewhat experienced in what she is doing and quite available.

So when I saw her online in YM I clicked to view her webcam, and to my surprise she was performing a little striptease. Obviously for someone else as I hadn't even said Hi yet. After the striptease the cam went off and she confirmed that she wasn't aware I had watched. My bet is she didn't recognize my username, probably has hundreds of guys in her YM.

But after a couple of messages she asked if I would pay her to show her cam again, I said no but I can pay her to come to my room. She asked how much, and I thought I would try my luck and offered 1500. She said cheap but didn't haggle anymore.

When I called to confirm later at night, she said she wanted to bring a friend. I said I didn't want a friend but she insisted and said they would just share the money, and give me massage and sex. I double confirmed this with her and gave in.

When they arrived I noticed the friend was not very pretty, but ok enough. They were acting a bit weird, half nervous not sure how to explain, kinda trying to be cool but you could sense they were not. Minor things though, like the DIA girl started pulling my clothes off as I was walking towards the bathroom for a shower, and when I said I will do this myself and continued walking I almost had to physically prevent her from taking my clothes. When I was in the bathroom and getting undressed, they both entered without knocking and again started touching my clothes that I had now folded at the sink. I started checking on my valuables and made sure I could control those all the time. I got a bad vibe, and maybe should have called it off, but I was thinking maybe they were just nervous or had been ripped off before.

Massage started, was quite crap, don't think they had any clue on how to give a massage. But after about 10 minutes they asked me to turn on my back and soon after they started giving my a BBBJ. The BBBJ was good and they alternated when I asked them, one licking my balls and the other giving head. All good, neither took off their clothes, the DIA girl only took off here t-shirt and bra, the other kept her dress on. When I asked if I could fuck either of them they declined, the DIA girl said I could do her later in the week but she had the period now. Didn't bother me much as the BJ's were good.

After finishing with a CIM on the dia girl, and getting ready to pay, I noticed they were again a bit awkward, eyeing me as I was putting on my pants and checking my pockets, usually the girls don't want to actually see me pull out the money and tend to prefer a more subtle way of handing them the money. But again I assumed maybe these had been ripped off before so I pulled out the 1500 and gave to the non-dia girl. She put on an angry face and said this is not enough! I said this is what we agreed. Then they both came towards me and said no no, this is for massage only, you have to pay for sex too, and that I had to pay each of them for the sex. 3000 each. A long discussion continued, I was getting upset and explained that this was not the deal, and that I not even wanted the friend to be there, that I only allowed it since the DIA girl had said the price would be the same. They threatened to call the police and the hotel, which I didn't take seriously, doubt that would have benefit them. I ended up giving them 2000 each, which they still did not think was enough, but after a few heated verbal exchanges I guess they gave up. Remarkably the DIA girl asked me to call her so we could meet up again on Friday! Like my ass I will.

Anyways, if you guys want the contact to the DIA girl, her username is: aubrey_miles292000.

Her face is about 6. 5-7 of 10.

Body not bad, she might show you on webcam, although she claimed she had guys paying her for that.

BBBJ was good.

The friend was 4. 5-5 of 10.

I was considering if I should have just given them the 1500 and thrown them out, but guess I am too much of a softy for those kind of things. Was disappointed though, although it is the first kind of trouble like this I have had in the Phils.

[QUOTE=Liondale; 1185705]Met this girl through DIA, not much conversation with her there but she gave me her YM user name, after a "Hi" and "how are you". I usually take that as a sign that the girl is somewhat experienced in what she is doing and quite available.

So when I saw her online in YM I clicked to view her webcam, and to my surprise she was performing a little striptease. Obviously for someone else as I hadn't even said Hi yet. After the striptease the cam went off and she confirmed that she wasn't aware I had watched. My bet is she didn't recognize my username, probably has hundreds of guys in her YM.

But after a couple of messages she asked if I would pay her to show her cam again, I said no but I can pay her to come to my room. She asked how much, and I thought I would try my luck and offered 1500. She said cheap but didn't haggle anymore.

When I called to confirm later at night, she said she wanted to bring a friend. I said I didn't want a friend but she insisted and said they would just share the money, and give me massage and sex. I double confirmed this with her and gave in.

Massage started, was quite crap, don't think they had any clue on how to give a massage. But after about 10 minutes they asked me to turn on my back and soon after they started giving my a BBBJ. The BBBJ was good and they alternated when I asked them, one licking my balls and the other giving head. All good, neither took off their clothes, the DIA girl only took off here t-shirt and bra, the other kept her dress on. When I asked if I could fuck either of them they declined, the DIA girl said I could do her later in the week but she had the period now. Didn't bother me much as the BJ's were good.

Would be the same. They threatened to call the police and the hotel, which I didn't take seriously, doubt that would have benefit them. I ended up giving them 2000 each, which they still did not think was enough, but after a few heated verbal exchanges I guess they gave up. Remarkably the DIA girl asked me to call her so we could meet up again on Friday! Like my ass I will.

Anyways, if you guys want the contact to the DIA girl, her username is: aubrey_miles292000.

Her face is about 6. 5-7 of 10.

Body not bad, she might show you on webcam, although she claimed she had guys paying her for that.

BBBJ was good.

The friend was 4. 5-5 of 10.

I was considering if I should have just given them the 1500 and thrown them out, but guess I am too much of a softy for those kind of things. Was disappointed though, although it is the first kind of trouble like this I have had in the Phils.[/QUOTE]So they extorted money from you. I have had some issues with some girls like that. But not that bad.

First I would be freaked about the police coming. Because once the police are there. It just gets worse for you?

And you need to pay the police money also? Or worse?

I just hope I don't meet them or anyone like them. The worse I had was when the girl wanted to upsell.

And I got mad at her and told her she could leave. I had another filipina friend with me so maybe that helped me?

As I had a good witness on my side. Yes there are some real scorpions out here.

I think they are the same as a rob. (same as robbery). Only worse if they want to get the police involved. ?

Maybe they were bluffing? But maybe they know the ropes and can make up any story and you being the foreigner they.

Have a big advantage over us.

I go on dia but careful of how I meet the girl and maybe wait to see them more then once before I take them.

And if I get bad vibes I walk.

Thanks for the information. I wil try to avoid these girls

Had two gals from the old LA cafe play the same trick. I gave an extra 500. They continuted with their charade. I just went ballistic, fukin out of control angry. And they left. It works for me because I don't have to act too much to achieve this kind of road rage. I'm a red blooded American and I enjoy anger.

Take one gal. It works better that way. Play the steely eyed Clint Eastwood style, I'll kill you if you take one step further. Call the security people if you have to. They are bored and would love to throw out a few ho's. Your personality type might not fit here, so adjust as necessary.

These gals will play on your fear, to their advantage. Think about it? You run from an aggressive dog and it will bite you. You give a puppy a little love and it will love you (almost) forever.

[QUOTE=Liondale; 1185705]After finishing with a CIM on the dia girl, and getting ready to pay, I noticed they were again a bit awkward, eyeing me as I was putting on my pants and checking my pockets, usually the girls don't want to actually see me pull out the money and tend to prefer a more subtle way of handing them the money. But again I assumed maybe these had been ripped off before so I pulled out the 1500 and gave to the non-dia girl. She put on an angry face and said this is not enough! I said this is what we agreed. Then they both came towards me and said no no, this is for massage only, you have to pay for sex too, and that I had to pay each of them for the sex. 3000 each. A long discussion continued, I was getting upset and explained that this was not the deal, and that I not even wanted the friend to be there, that I only allowed it since the DIA girl had said the price would be the same. They threatened to call the police and the hotel, which I didn't take seriously, doubt that would have benefit them. I ended up giving them 2000 each, which they still did not think was enough, but after a few heated verbal exchanges I guess they gave up. Remarkably the DIA girl asked me to call her so we could meet up again on Friday! Like my ass I will.

Anyways, if you guys want the contact to the DIA girl, her username is: aubrey_miles292000.

Her face is about 6. 5-7 of 10.

Body not bad, she might show you on webcam, although she claimed she had guys paying her for that.

BBBJ was good.

The friend was 4. 5-5 of 10.

I was considering if I should have just given them the 1500 and thrown them out, but guess I am too much of a softy for those kind of things. Was disappointed though, although it is the first kind of trouble like this I have had in the Phils.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Liondale; 1185705]Met this girl through DIA, not much conversation with her there but she gave me her YM user name, after a "Hi" and "how are you". I usually take that as a sign that the girl is somewhat experienced in what she is doing and quite available.

So when I saw her online in YM I clicked to view her webcam, and to my surprise she was performing a little striptease. Obviously for someone else as I hadn't even said Hi yet. After the striptease the cam went off and she confirmed that she wasn't aware I had watched. My bet is she didn't recognize my username, probably has hundreds of guys in her YM.

But after a couple of messages she asked if I would pay her to show her cam again, I said no but I can pay her to come to my room. She asked how much, and I thought I would try my luck and offered 1500. She said cheap but didn't haggle anymore.

When I called to confirm later at night, she said she wanted to bring a friend. I said I didn't want a friend but she insisted and said they would just share the money, and give me massage and sex. I double confirmed this with her and gave in.

When they arrived I noticed the friend was not very pretty, but ok enough. They were acting a bit weird, half nervous not sure how to explain, kinda trying to be cool but you could sense they were not. Minor things though, like the DIA girl started pulling my clothes off as I was walking towards the bathroom for a shower, and when I said I will do this myself and continued walking I almost had to physically prevent her from taking my clothes. When I was in the bathroom and getting undressed, they both entered without knocking and again started touching my clothes that I had now folded at the sink. I started checking on my valuables and made sure I could control those all the time. I got a bad vibe, and maybe should have called it off, but I was thinking maybe they were just nervous or had been ripped off before.

Massage started, was quite crap, don't think they had any clue on how to give a massage. But after about 10 minutes they asked me to turn on my back and soon after they started giving my a BBBJ. The BBBJ was good and they alternated when I asked them, one licking my balls and the other giving head. All good, neither took off their clothes, the DIA girl only took off here t-shirt and bra, the other kept her dress on. When I asked if I could fuck either of them they declined, the DIA girl said I could do her later in the week but she had the period now. Didn't bother me much as the BJ's were good.

After finishing with a CIM on the dia girl, and getting ready to pay, I noticed they were again a bit awkward, eyeing me as I was putting on my pants and checking my pockets, usually the girls don't want to actually see me pull out the money and tend to prefer a more subtle way of handing them the money. But again I assumed maybe these had been ripped off before so I pulled out the 1500 and gave to the non-dia girl. She put on an angry face and said this is not enough! I said this is what we agreed. Then they both came towards me and said no no, this is for massage only, you have to pay for sex too, and that I had to pay each of them for the sex. 3000 each. A long discussion continued, I was getting upset and explained that this was not the deal, and that I not even wanted the friend to be there, that I only allowed it since the DIA girl had said the price would be the same. They threatened to call the police and the hotel, which I didn't take seriously, doubt that would have benefit them. I ended up giving them 2000 each, which they still did not think was enough, but after a few heated verbal exchanges I guess they gave up. Remarkably the DIA girl asked me to call her so we could meet up again on Friday! Like my ass I will.

Anyways, if you guys want the contact to the DIA girl, her username is: aubrey_miles292000.

Her face is about 6. 5-7 of 10.

Body not bad, she might show you on webcam, although she claimed she had guys paying her for that.

BBBJ was good.

The friend was 4. 5-5 of 10.

I was considering if I should have just given them the 1500 and thrown them out, but guess I am too much of a softy for those kind of things. Was disappointed though, although it is the first kind of trouble like this I have had in the Phils.[/QUOTE]Act like a brand new pussy in Manila and you will get fucked! DIA is home to con artists and ladyboys looking to rip off foreigners. There were lots of warning signs that you ignored. First off the photo used in her DIA profile is a fake. The cam show incident revealed that she was a cam ho after easy money. When she called you cheap that was your cue to cease contact. You should never do anything you don't feel comfortable with. You didn't want her to bring her friend but she insisted and you caved in to her demand. She was calling the shots and you were along for the ride. Then in the room she started manhandling you pulling your clothes off when told her to stop. They entered the bathroom without knocking and started going through your clothes and instead of throwing them out you went deeper into the shit. You didn't even see any pussy so you're not even sure that it wasn't two ladyboys sucking your cock. Then you let them play you for 4, 000 pesos for a blowjob when the deal was for 1, 500 pesos for a fuck. The worst part of it all is that you suggest other mongers can contact the DIA con artist for similar treatment.

I recommend that other guys steer clear of those two unless you would like to teach them a lesson. Here is the link to the profile [url]http://www.dateinasia.com/aubrey_miles292000.html[/url]

[QUOTE=MauiDude; 1185730]So they extorted money from you. I have had some issues with some girls like that. But not that bad.

Maybe they were bluffing? But maybe they know the ropes and can make up any story and you being the foreigner they.

Thanks for the information. I wil try to avoid these girls[/QUOTE]Thanks, I definitely think they were just bluffing about the police. But I felt I either had to physically remove them from the room or try to negotiate some sort of compromise.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1185804]Act like a brand new pussy in Manila and you will get fucked! DIA is home to con artists and ladyboys looking to rip off foreigners. There were lots of warning signs that you ignored. First off the photo used in her DIA profile is a fake. The cam show incident revealed that she was a cam ho after easy money. When she called you cheap that was your cue to cease contact. You should never do anything you don't feel comfortable with. You didn't want her to bring her friend but she insisted and you caved in to her demand. She was calling the shots and you were along for the ride. Then in the room she started manhandling you pulling your clothes off when told her to stop. They entered the bathroom without knocking and started going through your clothes and instead of throwing them out you went deeper into the shit. You didn't even see any pussy so you're not even sure that it wasn't two ladyboys sucking your cock. Then you let them play you for 4, 000 pesos for a blowjob when the deal was for 1, 500 pesos for a fuck. The worst part of it all is that you suggest other mongers can contact the DIA con artist for similar treatment.

I recommend that other guys steer clear of those two unless you would like to teach them a lesson. Here is the link to the profile.

[url]http://www.dateinasia.com/aubrey_miles292000.html[/url][/QUOTE]Hi CM, I have to agree with you also think I handled it very lousy. The profile pic is not fake though, although she has photoshopped it on to some mag template, it is her pic.

Well, I have learned my lesson, not mongered that much in Manila, but this was my first bad experience and will follow my gut feeling and be less polite next time. The lack of fuck didn't bother me much I actually prefer getting BJ's and these two doing it together wasn't bad, it was only the argument about the pay afterwards that completely messed it up.

Anyways, please understand that I am not suggesting that people should contact her for similar treatment, but now when I have exposed her tricks, you could probably have some fun with her if you so inclined.

Anyways, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometimes it rains.