[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2937948]So, any individual who does not know this either was not raised in the United States of America or slept through a lot of classes.
[/QUOTE]Well, I think we all know which group Villainy is in. Hehe.
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[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2937948]So, any individual who does not know this either was not raised in the United States of America or slept through a lot of classes.
[/QUOTE]Well, I think we all know which group Villainy is in. Hehe.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2938018]I fear that even those doors are closing rapidly Nounce. With AI set to take over a huge swathe of jobs, the issue is whther the savings to business will be shared among the public in lower prices. But we all know the answer there. Price will stay the same, and everyone will end up with nothing and no job, apart from the shareholders who will take everything. I imagine this will lead to revolutions and world war.[/QUOTE]They said the same thing about the cotton gin, and the plow, etc.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2937948]
One can argue that the initial land that formed the United States of America was acquired through war.[/QUOTE]Yes the United States was formed by winning the Revolutionary War.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2937948]Add the Mexican. American war[B] (annexed Texas)[/B]; The war over Florida; Oregon Treaty of 1846 (not a purchase);.[/QUOTE]Annexed Texas? I guess you skipped over the chapter where Texas fought a war of independence in 1835-6 and formed the Republic of Texas. Later they agreed to join the United States, but this was before the Mexican-American War. There was a dispute about which river was the boundary between Texas and Mexico. But annexed Texas? That isn't history that is fantasy.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2937948]
[B]Actually very little of the land was purchased.[/B] The major of of the land the current United States of America sits on was claimed as the spoils of war. [/QUOTE]So, let's see:
Louisiana Purchase 828,000 sq miles.
Alaska Purchase 665,000 sq miles.
Oregon Territory 288,541 sq miles. (Only includes the part that became part of the US).
Gadsden Purchase 29,670 sq miles.
Total 1,811,211 sq miles which is more than 50% of the US land mass (3. 5 million sq miles).
I didn't even include Florida which was also part of a negotiated settlement with Spain, nor the land purchase settlement as part of the Treaty of Guadaloupe-Hidalgo which ended the Mexican-American war.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2937948]
This is a fact. Most individuals brought up in the United States of America learn this stuff as part of Civics and Geography in grade school. So, any individual who does not know this either was not raised in the United States of America or slept through a lot of classes.
This educational update was provide free charge for anyone who did not know, now you know![/QUOTE]Interesting how you have all the facts wrong. Perhaps you missed a few classes in grade school.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2938111]Yes the United States was formed by winning the Revolutionary War.[/QUOTE]So that land was not purchased.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2938111]Annexed Texas?[/QUOTE]Yes.
[I]Texas was annexed by the United States in 1845 and became the 28th state.
Until 1836, Texas had been part of Mexico, but in that year a group of settlers from the United States who lived in Mexican Texas declared independence. They called their new country the Republic of Texas, which was an independent country for nine years.
Politics in the United States fractured over the issue of whether Texas should be admitted as a slave or free state. In the end, Texas was admitted to the United States a slave state.
The annexation of Texas contributed to the coming of the Mexican-American War (1846-1848). The conflict started, in part, over a disagreement about which river was Mexicos true northern border: the Nueces or the Rio Grande.[/I]
[URL]https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/us-history/the-early-republic/age-of-jackson/a/annexing-texas[/URL]#text=Overview, in%20 Mexican%20 Texas%20 declared%20 independence.
So, let's see:
[QUOTE=Villainy;2938111]Louisiana Purchase 828,000 sq miles.[/QUOTE]Agreed it was a purchase.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2938111]Alaska Purchase 665,000 sq miles.[/QUOTE]Agreed it was a purchase.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2938111]Oregon Territory 288,541 sq miles. (Only includes the part that became part of the US).[/QUOTE]Not a purchase. An agreement to avoid war.
[I]The United States and Great Britain signed the Treaty of Oregon on June 15, 1846, ending 28 years of joint occupancy of the Pacific Northwest. The treaty established the 49th parallel as the border between the two countries. The United States and Great Britain ended the War of 1812 with the Treaty of Ghent in 1814, and four years later agreed to a 10-year period of joint occupancy of the Northwest.
The joint-occupancy agreement was renewed twice, but by 1846 it was clear that the Northwest was rapidly becoming American, primarily as the result of westward migration on the Oregon Trail, and neither country wanted to fight another war over the border issue.[/I]
[URL]https://www.nwcouncil.org/reports/columbia-river-history/treatyoforegon/[/URL]#text=The%20 United%20 States%20 and%20 Great, border%20 between%20 the%20 two%20 countries.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2938111]Gadsden Purchase 29,670 sq miles.[/QUOTE]Not a purchase. Another agreement to settle post war conflicts.
[I]The Gadsden Purchase, or Treaty, was an agreement between the United States and Mexico, finalized in 1854, in which the United States agreed to pay Mexico $10 million for a 29,670 square mile portion of Mexico that later became part of Arizona and New Mexico. Gadsdens Purchase provided the land necessary for a southern transcontinental railroad and attempted to resolve conflicts that lingered after the Mexican-American War.[/I]
So since you can only show 51% that you claim is purchased and I have shown that two of your purchases were not actually purchases are you going walk back your statements? If someone puts a gun to your head and says I would like to buy your rolex watch for $1 and you agree to sell it to him, is that a legitimate business deal.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2938111]Interesting how you have all the facts wrong. Perhaps you missed a few classes in grade school.[/QUOTE]You are actually the person who has his facts wrong and is attempting to rewrite history because you have your American flag short skirt on and your red, white and blue pom poms pumping up and down like my chicas head when she is going down on my dick.
I have factual citations. [B]What you got mother fucker[/B]? Your hands full of shit!
[QUOTE=JustTK;2938050]Well, I think we all know which group Villainy is in. Hehe.[/QUOTE][B]Yes, we do![/B]
[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2934945]Like Villainy, I voted for Gore, while accepting that Bush squeaked out a legit victory.[/QUOTE]Bush did not legitimately win a victory. Please review the post below in its entirety.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2938407]That 2000 stolen election by Jeb and his fellow Repubs had massive and disastrous domino-effect repercussions.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Villainy;2938027]Japan... You are right that it wasn't part of the "Marshall Plan" but it was aid and support nonetheless. Which other country in world history won a major war and then helped rebuild the country that attacked it? I'll wait for your excuse.
And you were absolutely wrong about the amount of the Marshall Plan that was structured as loans. Almost all of the support was structured as grants and not as loans.
[/QUOTE]Excuse about what? We were discussing the Marshall Plan. Now you have changed the subject in to a discussion about Japan, which is off topic. Whats your excuse for changing the subject?
I am "absolutely wrong" about the amount of the Marshall Plan that was structured as loans? Am I now? I wrote "Much of the 17 billion was in the form of loans". Kindly explain what part of my statement is "absolutely wrong" .
[QUOTE=Huacho;2938069]They said the same thing about the cotton gin, and the plow, etc.[/QUOTE]Right. And how many people do you know that work in cotton sorting and with a plow?
[QUOTE=JustTK;2938567]
I am "absolutely wrong" about the amount of the Marshall Plan that was structured as loans? Am I now? I wrote [B]"Much of the 17 billion was in the form of loans".[/B] Kindly explain what part of my statement is "absolutely wrong" .[/QUOTE]If you did a little review you would find that somewhere in the vicinity of 85-90% of Marshall Plan funds were structured as grants and not as loans.
[URL]https://economics.stackexchange.com/questions/18337/was-the-aid-in-the-marshall-plan-a-loan[/URL]#text=The%20 UK%20 received%20385%20 million, both%20 the%20 UK%20 and%20 France.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2937948]
[B]Actually very little of the land was purchased.[/B]The major of of the land the current United States of America sits on was claimed as the spoils of war.
This is a fact.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Villainy;2938111]
So, let's see:
Louisiana Purchase 828,000 sq miles.
Alaska Purchase 665,000 sq miles.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2938429]
Agreed it was a purchase.
Agreed it was a purchase. [/QUOTE]Just taking the Louisiana Purchase and the Alaska Purchase we see that over 40% of the land mass of the US was purchased. You agreed. So I guess you are admitting you were wrong when you said that [B]Very little of the land was purchased.[/B] Since I am quoting you. That should be a pretty good source. Si o no?
Now let me demonstrate how you screwed up the rest of your arguments through ignorance or deception. You can tell me which it was.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2938429]
Not a purchase. An agreement to avoid war.
The United States and Great Britain signed the Treaty of Oregon on June 15, 1846, ending 28 years of joint occupancy of the Pacific Northwest. The treaty established the 49th parallel as the border between the two countries. The United States and Great Britain ended the War of 1812 with the Treaty of Ghent in 1814, and four years later agreed to a 10-year period of joint occupancy of the Northwest.
The joint-occupancy agreement was renewed twice, but by 1846 it was clear that the Northwest was rapidly becoming American, primarily as the result of westward migration on the Oregon Trail, and neither country wanted to fight another war over the border issue.
[/QUOTE]Well and good except you never addressed how the Oregon Territory came to be a claim between the United States and Great Britain. Spain had claims to the territory long before the US and GB resolved the carve-up.
In 1819-1821 the US and Spain came to a resolution on Florida. Spain ceded Florida to the US and in addition gave the US its claims to the Oregon Territory. Was this extortion to avoid a war? Not at all. Spain was in a difficult position. Having just gotten through the Napoleonic wars, colonies in South America were revolting left and right and Spain was too stretched to protect all its interests. They ceded Florida and the Oregon Territory to the US in exchange for the US agreement to pay off claims against Spain that arose in Florida. In addition (this was what Spain craved from the agreement) the US agreed to borders that Spain wanted for their Texas territory. Those border disputes arose from the Louisiana Purchase and where exactly the disputed border was located.
[URL]https://constitutingamerica.org/february-22-1819-the-adams-onis-treaty-cedes-florida-to-the-united-states-guest-essayist-david-head/[/URL]
Thus it is appropriate to say that the US purchased the portion of the Oregon Territory from Spain that later becase memorialized as the Northwestern states.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2938429]
[B]Not a purchase. Another agreement to settle post war conflicts.[/B]
[I]The Gadsden Purchase, or Treaty, was an agreement between the United States and Mexico, finalized in 1854, in which the United States agreed to pay Mexico $10 million for a 29,670 square mile portion of Mexico that later became part of Arizona and New Mexico. Gadsdens Purchase provided the land necessary for a southern transcontinental railroad and attempted to resolve conflicts that lingered after the Mexican-American War.[/I]
[/QUOTE]Not a purchase? So, Mexico ceded 29,670 square miles of dessert for $10 million dollars. The US wanted that strip for building a transcontinental railway. Sounds like a purchase to me.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2938429]So since you can only show 51% that you claim is purchased and I have shown that two of your purchases were not actually purchases are you going walk back your statements? If someone puts a gun to your head and says I would like to buy your rolex watch for $1 and you agree to sell it to him, is that a legitimate business deal.
[/QUOTE]You said almost none of the land comprising the current day United States was purchased, when in fact more than 50% was purchased. I might have included the Florida land as well but because the calculation shifted depending on where the borders were, I just left it out.
[B]I know your ego cant accept being wrong.Deal with It [/B]
[QUOTE=Villainy;2938111]Yes the United States was formed by winning the Revolutionary War.
Annexed Texas? I guess you skipped over the chapter where Texas fought a war of independence in 1835-6 and formed the Republic of Texas. Later they agreed to join the United States, but this was before the Mexican-American War. There was a dispute about which river was the boundary between Texas and Mexico. But annexed Texas? That isn't history that is fantasy..[/QUOTE]SubCmdr is correct to say the US annexed Texas. It was actually part of a Mexican state called Coahuila & Tejas. The gringos who were against slavery started venturing from Louisiana and other parts of the south into Coahuila & Texas to settle there, where slavery was illegal under Mexican law. The Mexican government allowed them to settle but asked that they learn Spanish and follow the mexican law. They did not. At a point there came to be more gringos than Mexicans in the region, the gringos declared independence and formed the Republic of Texas from the land that was the northern part of Coahuila & Tejas, leaving Mexico the southern part which is the modern day state of Coahuila in Mexico. The Republic of Texas was later annexed by the United States to become the.
28th state.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coahuila_y_Tejas?wprov=sfla1[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution?wprov=sfla1[/URL]
For the few years that it was the independennt country of Republic of Texas it had a flag with a single star on it. This is why Texas is called the Lone Star State.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2938603][b]]SubCmdr is correct to say the US annexed Texas[/b]. It was actually part of a Mexican state called Coahuila & Tejas. The gringos who were against slavery started venturing from Louisiana and other parts of the south into Coahuila & Texas to settle there, where slavery was illegal under Mexican law. The Mexican government allowed them to settle but asked that they learn Spanish and follow the mexican law. They did not. At a point there came to be more gringos than Mexicans in the region, the gringos declared independence and formed the Republic of Texas from the land that was the northern part of Coahuila & Tejas, leaving Mexico the southern part which is the modern day state of Coahuila in Mexico. The Republic of Texas was later annexed by the United States to become the.
28th state.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coahuila_y_Tejas?wprov=sfla1[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution?wprov=sfla1[/URL]
For the few years that it was the independennt country of Republic of Texas it had a flag with a single star on it. This is why Texas is called the Lone Star State.[/QUOTE]Thank You [B]Gabacho[/B] for inserting the voice of reason and accuracy into the United States of America instituted a [I]a by any means necessary[/I] policy to expend the country from [I]sea to mother fucking shining sea[/I] discussion. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
Tha annexation of Texas pissed the Mexican government off. It lead the the Mexican. American War. President Polk pulled a straight mafia like gangster move. Moved US Army troops deep in the area of dispute and the Mexican Army said [B]Oh no you gringo mother fuckers didn't. Hell the fuck no![/B] And so it was on. So, the US went into Mexico and stepped on their foot. When Mexico responded by putting caps in those mother fucking invading gringo bitches, Washington spun it like the Mexicans had invaded the US. [B]GET THE FUCK! [/B] That is some serious gringo bullshit right there my man.
Although I have taken some liberties with the language (cause I have long stopped caring about what mothers fuckers sitting in US Sex Prison pining away for the next trip so they can pay for some CFS in Colombia think of me) the base facts are 100 percent true. I will say it again. If a mother fucker puts a gun to my head and offers to buy my Rolex watch for $1, there is not a court in the world that is going to consider that a legitimate purchase. [B]LOL! [/B].
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2938603]SubCmdr is correct to say the US annexed Texas. It was actually part of a Mexican state called Coahuila & Tejas. The gringos who were against slavery started venturing from Louisiana and other parts of the south into Coahuila & Texas to settle there, where slavery was illegal under Mexican law. The Mexican government allowed them to settle but asked that they learn Spanish and follow the mexican law. They did not. At a point there came to be more gringos than Mexicans in the region, the gringos declared independence and formed the Republic of Texas from the land that was the northern part of Coahuila & Tejas, leaving Mexico the southern part which is the modern day state of Coahuila in Mexico. The Republic of Texas was later annexed by the United States to become the.
28th state.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coahuila_y_Tejas?wprov=sfla1[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution?wprov=sfla1[/URL]
For the few years that it was the independennt country of Republic of Texas it had a flag with a single star on it. This is why Texas is called the Lone Star State.[/QUOTE]You completely missed the context. There isn't an argument about [B] When [/B] Texas became a state. That is unquestioned. Sub changed his tune in a subsequent post after realizing he was mistaken.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2937948][B]Factually incorrect[/B]
One can argue that the initial land that formed the United States of America was acquired through war.
Add the Mexican. American war (annexed Texas); The war over Florida; Oregon Treaty of 1846 (not a purchase);.
[/QUOTE]We all know Texas was annexed [B]BEFORE[/B] the Mexican-American war. The war was in part a border dispute but President Polk clearly had expansionist goals and I am sure he was spoiling for that war with Mexico.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2938580]If you did a little review you would find that somewhere in the vicinity of 85-90% of Marshall Plan funds were structured as grants and not as loans.
[URL]https://economics.stackexchange.com/questions/18337/was-the-aid-in-the-marshall-plan-a-loan[/URL]#text=The%20 UK%20 received%20385%20 million, both%20 the%20 UK%20 and%20 France.[/QUOTE]Seems its you, not me, that has a problem with English. You don't understand the difference between 'much' and 'most'.
Most of the land the United States of America current sits on was not purchased. I never changed from this position. I have based me position in historical facts and made citations.
In the following post of yours which I have quoted, and bolded the part pertaining to this argument, you made it sound as if the word "annex" was incorrect and that Texas decided to join the US.
I my post I simply pointed to some facts, substantiate in the Wikipedia articles I referenced, that use the exact same word annex.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2938111]Yes the United States was formed by winning the Revolutionary War.
[B] Annexed Texas? I guess you skipped over the chapter where Texas fought a war of independence in 1835-6 and formed the Republic of Texas. Later they agreed to join the United States, but this was before the Mexican-American War. There was a dispute about which river was the boundary between Texas and Mexico. But annexed Texas? That isn't history that is fantasy.[/B]
So, let's see:
Louisiana Purchase 828,000 sq miles.
Alaska Purchase 665,000 sq miles.
Oregon Territory 288,541 sq miles. (Only includes the part that became part of the US).
Gadsden Purchase 29,670 sq miles.
Total 1,811,211 sq miles which is more than 50% of the US land mass (3. 5 million sq miles).
I didn't even include Florida which was also part of a negotiated settlement with Spain, nor the land purchase settlement as part of the Treaty of Guadaloupe-Hidalgo which ended the Mexican-American war.
Interesting how you have all the facts wrong. Perhaps you missed a few classes in grade school.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Villainy;2938776]You completely missed the context. There isn't an argument about [B] When [/B] Texas became a state. That is unquestioned. Sub changed his tune in a subsequent post after realizing he was mistaken.
We all know Texas was annexed [B]BEFORE[/B] the Mexican-American war. The war was in part a border dispute but President Polk clearly had expansionist goals and I am sure he was spoiling for that war with Mexico.[/QUOTE]I was never arguing when it became a state. I simply pointed out that Texas was in fact stolen from the Mexican government in a gringo coup the'etat executed by gringo immigrants living in the Mexican state of Coahuila & Tejas in 1835. The sham state of Republic of Texas was never recognized by Mexico during its 9 years of existence and when it was annexed by the United States in 1845 that directly led to the start of the Mexican American war of 1846-48.
I believe Sub's argument (and feel free to correct me if I am wrong) is that the majority of the land making up the modern day US was acquired through land grabs rather than purchases. I'm not sure if the exact percentages but quite a bit of land was received through ill-gotten means.