FKK Dietzenbach

[QUOTE=Usel1;1819328] I'm afraid, you had not the proper behavior / mood with these type girls environment.

I can assure you that yr culture of high tips is not appreciated by the RTC club girls.

Trust in me, I know their culture, especially from that side of Europe, and I'm sure they normally appreciate rude manners instead of fair moods.

Never forget we are talking and dealing with prostitution which is as a lot-of-money-system uses to be used by not gentlemen and human-respect-polite people.

We are punter but we are not Silvio Berlusconi!

we are struggling F39 arising to 50 for 30 minutes and you allow the dusgusting price-system of F39 managers.[/QUOTE]I once like Gluv when I first stared visiting this place gave a small tip at Dietz. It is easy to feel generous in the post-coital haze. However, the look of sheer disapproval from two German guys who were sitting close by who saw me hand over a 40 euro note without asking for change was something I will remember and I will never do it again.

Then there was the time when Vanessa came and sat on my couch and pointed out the American guy that she had just been with. She told me that whenever he came over from the States he always gave her 50 euros a session. Being English she probably thought that I would turn out to be a similar soft touch.

On another occasion I saw Anna holding 30 euros in her hand and asking some young German jock whether it was OK. Meaning the session they had just had. He must have given her a real pounding and got his money's worth. He just looked past her to the receptionist. He had no more use for her. It was on to the next. That is the mentality of the typical German clientele at these places. Use them and lose them. Give them nothing more or less than what they deserve. It's what the girls expect and they end up respecting you and working hard to gain your custom. This is what has made Germany the high value, low cost mongering mecca that we know and enjoy today.

It's tough love but if you give a vagrant a 10 euro note on the street he will remember it for all of 10 seconds before his thoughts turn to where his next money is coming from. If you don't give him anything then he doesn't hate you just as he doesn't hate the other hundreds of other people who have walked past and not given him anything.

If you walk past the next day he probably won't't remember you but if he does then he will be expecting another 10 euro note. Plus some of his other mates will have now turned up expecting the same.

If you gave him a 10 euro note rather than the few cents that others are giving him he won't thank you especially compared to the other givers. His reaction will be one of, well if he wants to give it away I am happy to take it.

If others follow your lead then soon these beggars will be handing back the cents that passersby give them with a snort of derision and point to the piles of 10 euro notes in their upturned cap.

Something for nothing. It's the gypsy mentality.

A full analysis of this would require a post longer than I have time for. But I'll outline a response and hope that readers will exercise a sincere curiosity as to what I'm saying, rather than just looking for ambiguities in language they can then attack.

This notion that we shouldn't tip these girls *for their own good* because if we didn't we would cause them to *lose their work ethic* is so wrong headed it's hard to know where to start.

None of these women as little girls said "I want to grow up and become a prostitute!" Scratch the surface on even the happiest of these girls and you will find an unhappy person who has chosen this profession not because it is a good option, but because it is the least bad option they can find.

They don't need our "tough love" to uphold standards of performance. They don't need us to keep them on the straight and narrow. Like any business they are going to respond to competition, pricing, and supply and demand. That doesn't mean they are somehow morally deficient. It just means they are rational agents.

What is *really* going on is this. In this realm both the men and the women have endangered their self-esteem. In their heads the women hear "what kind of woman sells her body?" In their heads the men hear "what kind of man has to pay for it?" The shadow of the endangered self-esteem is greater for some than others, but it's always there.

The self-esteem threat generates control issues and control conflicts. If the woman, or the man, feels more in control of the situation then their self-esteem is less threatened. The money becomes a way of keeping score; a way of measuring who is in control and who is not. This is why people will make such a big deal over paying 30 euro versus 40 euro. (A pittance really. Imagine in the straight world having this kind of ridiculously charged discussion over spending, and one guy vigorously putting down another guy for spending an extra 10 euros on a date.).

It's not the 10 euro difference. It's what that 10 euros represents psychologically in terms of bruised egos and self-esteem. Something worth keeping in mind is this; who is the one with the problem? The guy who feels comfortable sliding an extra 10 euros to the girl just because he feels like it, or the guy who finds such a gesture a huge problem worth going on and on about?

It's never free. All men pay one way or another. Ask anyone who's been divorced if that Pussy was ever free. It's def cheaper to pay.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1819698]A full analysis of this would require a post longer than I have time for. But I'll outline a response and hope that readers will exercise a sincere curiosity as to what I'm saying, rather than just looking for ambiguities in language they can then attack.

This notion that we shouldn't tip these girls *for their own good* because if we didn't we would cause them to *lose their work ethic* is so wrong headed it's hard to know where to start.

None of these women as little girls said "I want to grow up and become a prostitute!" Scratch the surface on even the happiest of these girls and you will find an unhappy person who has chosen this profession not because it is a good option, but because it is the least bad option they can find...[/QUOTE]

Nice TR.

Good to see others think some of the girls are FKK worthy. When it becomes a sausage fest best to reserve a girl on the way to a room or on their way to reception to get paid. If you wait till they find a place to sit usually someone has grabbed her.

[QUOTE=Mattador;1819581]I visited Dietzenbach yesterday.

It was just overcrowded with possibly around 30 men, serviced by only 14 girls.

The line-up was quite good in terms of the looks though, with 6-7 girls at FKK-caliber. Possibly the best I have seen in years!

I sessioned with Lisa and Julia. Both were good enough, but not so great. It was a very busy day for some girls.

I left earlier than I planned as it was becoming more of a sausage-fest without even a single place to sit, unless you wanted to get close to a fellow punter.

They will be closed on Silvester and New Year.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1819606]On another occasion I saw Anna holding 30 euros in her hand and asking some young German jock whether it was OK. Meaning the session they had just had. He must have given her a real pounding and got his money's worth. He just looked past her to the receptionist. He had no more use for her. It was on to the next. That is the mentality of the typical German clientele at these places. Use them and lose them. Give them nothing more or less than what they deserve. It's what the girls expect and they end up respecting you and working hard to gain your custom. This is what has made Germany the high value, low cost mongering mecca that we know and enjoy today..[/QUOTE]This is a bit harsh generalization of the typical German client. Most are not walking around doing the shimmy but if you start a conversation most are generally nice guys that just keep to themselves.

Once the session is over & you pay the girl, what else should anyone expect? Sing a lullaby & romantic poetry? Mention that you love they way her hair illuminates in the moonlight? She goes upstairs to wash & the guy goes to wash then re-juice till the next round.

Just curious. Do you rub her shoulders or something?

[QUOTE=MarineOne;1818971]My other high marks go to Bianca and Aline. Some people complain about them being too thin, but I like gazelles. Both seem to be very GFE. My only complaint about Bianca is that she does not seem to clean out her snatch between customers. She likes being banged so much that she just let the cum accumulate in there, I guess. With Aline, I finished with her riding cowgirl on top of me. After I finished, she got up off me and a stream of my white cum flowed out of her snatch.[/QUOTE]Bianca isn't my type but I have heard the same complaints about her lack of a proper washing after cream pies. Seems like she goes upstairs just to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] then back to the main room.

Alina does feel heavenly when she rides on top. Nice & tight!

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1819756]It's never free. All men pay one way or another. Ask anyone who's been divorced if that Pussy was ever free. It's def cheaper to pay.[/QUOTE]Haha. Yea a friend of mine just bought his girlfriend a new Range Rover. Then his WIFE found out about the affair and the Range Rover he bought her. That has to be the most expensive pussy around. And I seen her that pussy aint worth it!

[QUOTE=DFWdude;1819829]Haha. Yea a friend of mine just bought his girlfriend a new Range Rover. Then his WIFE found out about the affair and the Range Rover he bought her. That has to be the most expensive pussy around. And I seen her that pussy aint worth it![/QUOTE]A range rover? Kind of hard to hide that kind of purchase from the books. Mind boggling what some guys do when thinking with the small head.

Myrrh's comparisons to Gypsies and vagrants are spot on. All posters here come from good backgrounds, so I think we make the mistake of projecting our belief system onto these girls. For instance, people like us would appreciate tips and feel compelled to reciprocate. That said, some of the girls come from decent backgrounds, or have lost their "street hustler" ways

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1819606]This is what has made Germany the high value, low cost mongering mecca that we know and enjoy today.[/QUOTE]I share this view which should be commonsense.

Neurosynth and Myrrh. You both make points which are true, even if they seem to almost contradict each other. It all depends on the girl. Sometimes a tip will only fuel greed and lack of responsibility, sometimes a girl will accept a tip as a professional recognition of exceptional service. Generally tipping must be avoided for all the reasons Myrrh says (although I would put it in more subtle terms), but personally I will (very rarely) tip when I know the girl well and I know I am not feeding a greed monster.

I have never considered giving a tip at clubs like Dietzenbach, since the girls don't in my experience offer that something extra.

In the rare event that a girl gives me lots of time for free or provides a special service, physical, mental, or emotional, for free then I will tip.

I agree that tipping never provides better future service in FKK (unless we are talking megabucks such as 1000 for an hour). A girl gives good service because of her personality and the way that interacts with the client's personality.

By the way, not all girls choose this job due to emotional inadequacies or because it is the least bad job they can find.

Vito. As you say nothing is for free, and the most expensive version is the married version, costing money, time and commitment.FKK is a bargain in comparison. Although there are compensating plus sides to being married.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1819802]This is a bit harsh generalization of the typical German client. Most are not walking around doing the shimmy but if you start a conversation most are generally nice guys that just keep to themselves.

Once the session is over & you pay the girl, what else should anyone expect? Sing a lullaby & romantic poetry? Mention that you love they way her hair illuminates in the moonlight? She goes upstairs to wash & the guy goes to wash then re-juice till the next round.

Just curious. Do you rub her shoulders or something?[/QUOTE]Hey Vits,

I am not sure if I explain what happened clearly. I was actually questioning Anna's reaction and not the German lad's.

The scenario was that after the session the German guy goes to the reception with Anna and after getting change of a 50 euro note from the receptionist gives her 30 which is what the session cost.

Rather than clutching the money to her chest, smiling sweetly and thanking him Anna instead did a double take, held the money up in the palm of her hand and pointedly looked from it back to the lad before asking 'Ist alles OK'? Which from my limited German I understood to be 'Is everything alright'?

The expression on her face was one of 'Is that all you really meant to give me? Were you not happy with the session'? But the German guy ignored the subtle hint and just wandered off without being drawn into further conversation.

I agree that there should be nothing more expected from either party after payment of the correct amount. Neither the guy expecting the girl to give him a little GFE (like sitting with him and chatting afterwards) or the girl expecting the guy to lavish praise on her or proffer a tip.

My take was that Anna probably thought that she had given the guy a really good session, he seemed to have really enjoyed it and she was sometimes now used to guys giving a tip after good sessions. So was holding out / hoping for one being given on this occasion.

Also, I agree with you that I have nothing but praise for the German guys I meet as a visitor to their great country. They are almost always reasonably friendly, greet me politely in the locker room even though they don't know me and are courteous and respectful. They don't intrude on your space like many English guys might do, nosy as to what you are doing over here in their country. Generally they go about their business calmly and with good grace. I agree no problems there.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1820027]
By the way, not all girls choose this job due to emotional inadequacies or because it is the least bad job they can find.
[/QUOTE]Why are the RTC clubs almost entirely Rumanian, and even the better FKKs heavily populated by same? Is it because Rumanian culture is so sex-positive that girls from that country just love being sex workers and are happy happy hookers?

Of course not. Rumania is an economic mess, and so "least bad" choices there can still be pretty bad.

Humans are complex and you can respond to almost any comment about them with a "not all" response. I. e. There are always exceptions.

But I'd say that maybe 1 in 10 *seems* like sex work is a positive choice. And if you find 10 girls like that and scratch the surface a bit deeper, it will turn out that 9 out of 10 of them have made sex work a "least bad" choice as well.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1820188]Hey Vits,

I am not sure if I explain what happened clearly. I was actually questioning Anna's reaction and not the German lad's.

The scenario was that after the session the German guy goes to the reception with Anna and after getting change of a 50 euro note from the receptionist gives her 30 which is what the session cost.

Rather than clutching the money to her chest, smiling sweetly and thanking him Anna instead did a double take, held the money up in the palm of her hand and pointedly looked from it back to the lad before asking 'Ist alles OK'? Which from my limited German I understood to be 'Is everything alright'?

The expression on her face was one of 'Is that all you really meant to give me? Were you not happy with the session'? But the German guy ignored the subtle hint and just wandered off without being drawn into further conversation.

I agree that there should be nothing more expected from either party after payment of the correct amount. Neither the guy expecting the girl to give him a little GFE (like sitting with him and chatting afterwards) or the girl expecting the guy to lavish praise on her or proffer a tip..[/QUOTE]It's all good Myrrh.

Back to tipping. Tipping is nothing compared to the saps who fall for the my father mother sister brother cousin is sick. In hospital but no money please help. Western union! Those guys need to get hit with a 308 round!

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1820199]But I'd say that maybe 1 in 10 *seems* like sex work is a positive choice. And if you find 10 girls like that and scratch the surface a bit deeper, it will turn out that 9 out of 10 of them have made sex work a "least bad" choice as well.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am sure that is a reasonable estimate. Of course, it is not only sex workers who have to make least bad choices.

Cheers.