Angeles City

[QUOTE=Sid70; 1123128]Hi Robbaf,

I stayed at ABC end of year last year. The place was very nice I really liked it. The only thing I really disliked was that they tried to cheat me when I checked out. They wanted to charge me the wrong price and they tried it even twice. Not really serious. Thats made me think not to use ABC anymore.

How much you got charged at the fields plaza suites? [/QUOTE]Wow I am shocked, as the staff at ABC have always been straight up with me. Twice in 25 stays some asshole signed his bar tab on my room, but they fixed it.

After so many stays at ABC you get a VIP card and ten percent off, so I paid $130 for FPS.

Robb

[QUOTE=Edward M;1123334]Makes sense. I would not insist on going in heavy rain and locals making trouble would kill their cash cow quickly. I thought 6700 was too much too which I was I asked at my hotel too. Any ideas on where to get an affordable tour? I am not familiar with the PDC.[/QUOTE]First leg of the trip is to get to "Spa Town" in barangay Juliana, Capas, Tarlac.

Its accessible by paved road, and you can get there by any jeepney, car, motorbike in 1hour travel from Angeles.

From there, the rough road begins. We hired a jeep in Spa Town for 1500 with driver / guide plus some money for the "conservation fee". You can go in there with your own vehicle but you need a true offroad 4x4 like a Humvee, the road is rough crossing several creeks and hills, for another 1hour travel.

At the end of the rough road there is a jeep parking area and a 20 minutes walk to the volcano crater. You can hire a rowboat there to explore the inner lake of the crater.

Here is a webpage that lists the phone numbers to call for arrangements:

[url]http://www.lakwatsero.com/destinations/mt-pinatubo/[/url]

Arrived at Manila airport around 6 and was on the road to AC by 6:30 via the car I ordered from Pacific Breeze. Nice ride with a good driver. The hotel itself is ok, but I am used to staying in nicer places in BKK (Dream, S31, Westin, etc).

Anyway, on to what I am really here for. After checking in, I showered then headed out to Fields. After walking up and down once, decided to hit the bigger clubs for night one, Atlantis, Crystal Palace and Club Asia (?). There are definitely a lot of choices in Atlantis but none which caught my fancy. I spotted a few from afar but up close each looked a bit older and weathered. No big deal admit was my first club on my first night. Headed over to Club Asia and the selection there was even worse. Found one dancer I liked and bought her a drink. A 3k peso girl, but I didn't really care to much about the price. What stopped me from taking her was her no LT policy. Says she always leaves after one pop. Could not even negotiate a 2 hour stay with 2 pops with a nice tip. Next headed Crystal Palace. What a bummer lineup. The worst of the 3. But I was there about midnight so maybe all the best ones are taken by then?

Was about to give up but decided to try Atlantis once more. Saw a couple I liked but both were already with customers. Of the other 50+ I saw, only saw a handful that interested me. Talked to 2 and again, both said no LT. By then, it was close to 1am so decided to call it a night. Thus far, a big let down. I may have to go back to Club Asia and grab the ST girl tomorrow. She was easily my fave of the night.

So any advice on other options for LT. Actually don't need the girl to stay overnight. 2 pops in a couple of hours works for me. I can get better sleep this way. BTW, I definitely prefer the sultry / sexy GND look. 19-23, small but not anorexic.

Lastly you guys were not exaggerating about the Koreans. I think Koreans easily made up 50%+ of the crowd at these 3 clubs.

[QUOTE=Robbaf; 1123347]Wow I am shocked, as the staff at ABC have always been straight up with me. Twice in 25 stays some asshole signed his bar tab on my room, but they fixed it.

After so many stays at ABC you get a VIP card and ten percent off, so I paid $130 for FPS.

Robb[/QUOTE]What type of suite at FPS did you pay $130 / night? Thinking of staying there on my next trip. [url]http://www.fieldsplazasuites.com/thesuites.php[/url]

[QUOTE=Jayleesf; 1123614]Arrived at Manila airport around 6 and was on the road to AC by 6:30 via the car I ordered from Pacific Breeze. Nice ride with a good driver. The hotel itself is ok, but I am used to staying in nicer places in BKK (Dream, S31, Westin, etc).

Anyway, on to what I am really here for. After checking in, I showered then headed out to Fields. After walking up and down once, decided to hit the bigger clubs for night one, Atlantis, Crystal Palace and Club Asia (?). There are definitely a lot of choices in Atlantis but none which caught my fancy. I spotted a few from afar but up close each looked a bit older and weathered. No big deal admit was my first club on my first night. Headed over to Club Asia and the selection there was even worse. Found one dancer I liked and bought her a drink. A 3k peso girl, but I didn't really care to much about the price. What stopped me from taking her was her no LT policy. Says she always leaves after one pop. Could not even negotiate a 2 hour stay with 2 pops with a nice tip. Next headed Crystal Palace. What a bummer lineup. The worst of the 3. But I was there about midnight so maybe all the best ones are taken by then?

Was about to give up but decided to try Atlantis once more. Saw a couple I liked but both were already with customers. Of the other 50+ I saw, only saw a handful that interested me. Talked to 2 and again, both said no LT. By then, it was close to 1am so decided to call it a night. Thus far, a big let down. I may have to go back to Club Asia and grab the ST girl tomorrow. She was easily my fave of the night.

So any advice on other options for LT. Actually don't need the girl to stay overnight. 2 pops in a couple of hours works for me. I can get better sleep this way. BTW, I definitely prefer the sultry / sexy GND look. 19-23, small but not anorexic.

Lastly you guys were not exaggerating about the Koreans. I think Koreans easily made up 50%+ of the crowd at these 3 clubs. [/QUOTE]You have just scratched the surface, been treated like shit and now you want to go back there for more of the same? Man you are in AC there is another 100 bars to visit and chose from. Forget those 3 and move on. Start around 9 and stay 5 min max in as many as you can unless you find a candidate. Ask your questions before buying a lady drink. If you hear ONE no to your requests MOVE ON!

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1123074]They have to earn YOUR respect first. Only then can you reciprocate it. It's their job to win you over not the other way around. Remember, we are the ones with the money and power. So many guys act like pussies and give in to these sex workers like they are special girls.

I'm not advocating treating them like shit, but the burden is certainly on them to prove that they deserve respect. Once they've proven themselves then the ride is good and she understands what her role is.

PI is a male dominated society. If you lose site of that than you'll lose everytime. [/QUOTE]I agree lots of guys letting the girls make the rules (pussy whipped). THE ONE WITH THE MONEY GETS TO MAKE THE RULES and that is me. I love women I love fucking them I love kissing them and I love the little cute ass looks and mannerisims they have I treat them with love kindness and respect but I ain't about to get ripped off by no two bit working girl that starts given me stipulations on what is or isn't going to happen with our time together. While your IN AC or Bangkok Pattaya or the like her replacement is 5 minutes work away so its shape up or get out I am not dealing with you anymore GOODBYE

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1123811]I agree lots of guys letting the girls make the rules (pussy whipped). THE ONE WITH THE MONEY GETS TO MAKE THE RULES and that is me. I love women I love fucking them I love kissing them and I love the little cute ass looks and mannerisims they have I treat them with love kindness and respect but I ain't about to get ripped off by no two bit working girl that starts given me stipulations on what is or isn't going to happen with our time together. While your IN AC or Bangkok Pattaya or the like her replacement is 5 minutes work away so its shape up or get out I am not dealing with you anymore GOODBYE[/QUOTE]AMEN!

It is MY TIME, I am paying for it. She is the entertainment. Replacement is just outside. Treat them good, get more out of them, treat them shit you ruin your time with her and your rep back in the bar where she came from.

[QUOTE=Jayleesf;1123614]After walking up and down once, decided to hit the bigger clubs for night one, Atlantis, Crystal Palace and Club Asia (?). There are definitely a lot of choices in Atlantis but none which caught my fancy.[/QUOTE]Always a bit surprised at this. Those bars often have 50-100 girls dancing. You were in a place with 50+ half-naked dancing young girls, and most of them didn't catch your eye? None of which caught his fancy. Sounds similar to gents who say,"walked thru MBC last night, maybe 100 girls, nothing caught my eye." Really? Overly picky?

[QUOTE=Jayleesf;1123614]So any advice on other options for LT. Actually don't need the girl to stay overnight. 2 pops in a couple of hours works for me. I can get better sleep this way. BTW, I definitely prefer the sultry / sexy GND look. 19-23, small but not anorexic.[/QUOTE]If you only want ST, try the blow-row bars on Santos (behind Swiss Chalet, around the corner from the Mexican restraunt across from Crystal Palace). They offer two services. First, you can get a BJ in the back room for 700 pesos. Second, if you want, for 700 pesos you can take the girl to your room for 4 hours, all the pops you want. These are small bars, with only a handful of girls working at a time (no dancing stage).

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1123824]Always a bit surprised at this. Those bars often have 50-100 girls dancing. You were in a place with 50+ half-naked dancing young girls, and most of them didn't catch your eye? None of which caught his fancy. Sounds similar to gents who say,"walked thru MBC last night, maybe 100 girls, nothing caught my eye." Really? Overly picky?[/QUOTE]I was in Atlantis several times during the week I was in AC and never saw anyone I liked. I was also in MBC at least 4 times in the time I was in Manila and also didn't see anyone of interest. So he is not alone in his opinion.

[QUOTE=JPF;1123862]I was in Atlantis several times during the week I was in AC and never saw anyone I liked. I was also in MBC at least 4 times in the time I was in Manila and also didn't see anyone of interest. So he is not alone in his opinion.[/QUOTE]Last several times I was in Atlantis, I didn't see anything I liked either.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1123811]I agree lots of guys letting the girls make the rules (pussy whipped). THE ONE WITH THE MONEY GETS TO MAKE THE RULES and that is me. I love women I love fucking them I love kissing them and I love the little cute ass looks and mannerisims they have I treat them with love kindness and respect but I ain't about to get ripped off by no two bit working girl that starts given me stipulations on what is or isn't going to happen with our time together. While your IN AC or Bangkok Pattaya or the like her replacement is 5 minutes work away so its shape up or get out I am not dealing with you anymore GOODBYE[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree with you more. I'm generous and jovial in the bar, but the minute a girl tries to manipulate or "test" me, I point to the line in the sand. Friendly but firm, that's the approach I shoot for.

Oh, and in my opinion / experience, Amjeck's remark re: observing the male-dominated culture of Phils is dead-on.

IMO the big clubs have a bunch of really nice looking girls. And they are only really there for eye candy for the asian big spenders The problem is, they are all gold digging divas that are only looking for the big score. They know there hot they have youth and looks but they just run themselves to business like for my taste (I don't blame them thou). Like I said I am not going to deal with girls who think they can make up the rules of the game. There are simply to many 6s and 7s with great GFE for under 2000 long time all in to deal with the divas that want 5000 and up just for short time with no kissing or anything else they don't want you to do to them, again them making the rules and not the one paying for it let the Japanese and Koreans pay for that 4-4-4 DIVA shit. I am going to do a little experiment next week when I am in town and interview a few dozen girls over a simple girlie drink and see what they think there job is when a guy bar fines them long time should get some interesting answers

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1124021]IMO the big clubs have a bunch of really nice looking girls. And they are only really there for eye candy for the asian big spenders The problem is, they are all gold digging divas that are only looking for the big score. They know there hot they have youth and looks but they just run themselves to business like for my taste (I don't blame them thou). Like I said I am not going to deal with girls who think they can make up the rules of the game. There are simply to many 6s and 7s with great GFE for under 2000 long time all in to deal with the divas that want 5000 and up just for short time with no kissing or anything else they don't want you to do to them, again them making the rules and not the one paying for it let the Japanese and Koreans pay for that 4-4-4 DIVA shit. I am going to do a little experiment next week when I am in town and interview a few dozen girls over a simple girlie drink and see what they think there job is when a guy bar fines them long time should get some interesting answers[/QUOTE]Sounds good to me.

Please remember to post your results.

Cheers and beers.

FZ

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1123296]What time and where do you normally bar fine? I am just curious, I have made god knows how many trips over last 10 years and I have NEVER had a runner. I have kicked girls out of the hotel, but not one wanted to go early. I normally barfine out of Fields, few times out of perimeter so I can't speak much for that side. During the day my takeout is almost always ST as I like to do numbers and I am clear at that while at night, I normally barfine around 10-12 and again I am clear that I expect her to stay until the morning.[/QUOTE]You are indeed a very lucky man.

Like Phillip who you had responded with your post. I also had a few runners over the last few times I visited AC. Regardless of all the questions I (we) ask beforehand. Some knows the score and are now fluent in their lies (what we want to hear). They also know once we bang them once they can start with their games as refunds are now out of the question. So they act very normal and GF like until we pop once.

The usual times I BF the ladies LT starts at 9pm and continue up to 12 until I find one I like.

The ratio of runners for me so far with several trips to AC under my belt is about 1 in 5. And seems to be getting worse with each visit.

Cheers and beers.

FZ

[QUOTE=Philip; 1122859]Just not that happy hour does not include a number of drinks eg (orange juice which cost me 85 peso) even though it was happy hour.

Manager could not give a shit said it was not a local drink even though it is in every other bar I have been in.

The 85 p is not problem it is the principal of it and what other drinks do they class as non local.

Anyway they have lost my business for good. [/QUOTE]I don't think you should give up on a bar over 1 drink? As they may not even be out to cheat you but its just the bar policy is different from all the others you been to.

Remember what Westcoast had posted before about each bar having different rules. Meaning not all bars have the same menu and prices. We usually assume that most bars are the same with the drinks but as you found out is not always the case.

So when in doubt simply ask if what you are ordering is consider a happy hour drink.

FZ