Jakarta

[QUOTE=Bule2004; 1477627]I have lived in Indonesia longer than 15 years, and I think you made two excellent points:

1. There has been a "sexual revolution in Indonesia" after the 1997/98 KrisMon. I will leave it up to someone with a higher pay grade to corrolate the economics and sex; and.

2. It does get easier, as a guy gets older, to increase his hit rate with non pros (and the occassional pro). My experience with IC women who state they are "open to men "18. 70"" is that they really want a more mature, oftentimes more inteligent man, so typically makes more money that the stud (no offense to the studs out there).

Honestly, I think I can continue to do this for the next twenty years, and I am in my mid 60s. Would I look foolish doing that? Or would the pleasure I would get make up for looking foolish.

Bule2004[/QUOTE]Your right. A good woman looks for a man that can provide for them and give the security of a good life. In Indo where life can be very hard, securing an older man that has the funds to take care of them is a bonus.

Now with mongering the woman are attracted to the older men because they know they have money and that they do not have the energy to wear the ladies out. One good pop session and relax until the next morning. The older guys are not going to fu*k the girls for hours, which In my experience most ladies do not care for. They all like a short and sweet session and the security of making a good living without 4 customers a night.

I am 67 and have a life time of experience with Asian woman. I also would like to recommend that you older guys get acquainted with testosterone regiments. It works and makes you feel like your in your 30's. You can throw away your Blue jamu, you won't need it anymore.

RL

[QUOTE=Robert Long; 1477654]- snip.

I am 67 and have a life time of experience with Asian woman. I also would like to recommend that you older guys get acquainted with testosterone regiments. It works and makes you feel like your in your 30's. You can throw away your Blue jamu, you won't need it anymore.

RL[/QUOTE]I am 67 also but have no experience "with testosterone regiments." Where can you get the treatment?

Bule2004

[QUOTE=Robert Long;1477654]I am 67 and have a life time of experience with Asian woman. I also would like to recommend that you older guys get acquainted with testosterone regiments. It works and makes you feel like your in your 30's. You can throw away your Blue jamu, you won't need it anymore.[/QUOTE]If you want to get all organic and natural, Indonesia produces an excellent product from a wood root, called pasak bumi, that promotes testosterone production without some of the side effects of testosterone supplementation. There's an outfit on Medan that produces a high grade extract (200:1). If you pay in rupiah and are having it shipped within Indonesia, they offer significant discounts. I don't know about the policy of linking to websites offering such products, but PM if you want to know more. Usual disclaimers about no commercial interest, just a satisfied customer, etcetera.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1477988]If you want to get all organic and natural, Indonesia produces an excellent product from a wood root, called pasak bumi, that promotes testosterone production without some of the side effects of testosterone supplementation. There's an outfit on Medan that produces a high grade extract (200:1). If you pay in rupiah and are having it shipped within Indonesia, they offer significant discounts. I don't know about the policy of linking to websites offering such products, but PM if you want to know more. Usual disclaimers about no commercial interest, just a satisfied customer, etcetera.[/QUOTE]Sounds good. But I prefer being under the eyes of a doctor that monitors and tests the prostrate levels to assure it maintains a normal size. They test the blood every 3 months and adjust the amount of the injection to maintain the testosterone level around 1100. When I first applied for the program my testosterone level was 285. Had a difficult time keeping it up. Now no problem, and I am always horney.

I haven't noticed any side effects except the mussel tone has improved and the energy level has climbed. Nothing negative as far as I can see and I have been on the regiment for 6 months.

We have clinics that specialize in male health and provide the tests and instruction on usage. They also have a sublingual tablet that is somewhat like Viagra that's works in 15 minutes, as it gets right into the blood system instead of having to travel thru the intestinal tract. I love what science has accomplished for the modern man.

RL

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1476665]This is the Ana I was thinking about.[/QUOTE]I think there was another Ana about (I thought it was spelled Anna). In 2009 I took her from Top Gun an had a few enjoyable nights with her. She didn't want nude pictures but compromised on a few while wearing my shirt. See attachment. Do you think this was the same one? In December 2012 I saw her in Eastern Promise. She still wore the same style of short dress made of very sheer fabric that caught my attention in the past. She was with a bule and looked happy. I toasted her from a distance and she aknowledged with a broad smile.

Regards,

Ko

Hey guys.

I'm jumping ahead and posting about my first experience in Jakarta, have not yet posted about my time in Angeles but I thought I'd share what happened last night.

I decide on BATS to open my time here, thinking that despite the price, if I get lazy later on I could get access to some action quickly without having to go out.

Arrive, music is way too loud. Band is reasonable. Few girls around. Circle circle, particularly taken by one girl in a Burberry dress who's giving me the eye but by the time I get to wanting to approach her she's with another gent. I begin chatting yo another lovely with a flower in her hair for the next hour or so. Eventually she says she has to go "working" as she has to find customers, alias I ask "what about me". The price quoted is US$150 for ST! I ask if she can go LT and she ponders the thought, telling me she doesn't want to stay.

At this point I don't think I'm winning, however there is another shapely girl who has appeared next to me, and she immediately begins talking, hugging blah blah. Meanwhile the first girl ends up off with someone else. Oh well, good for her.

So, I'm quoted US$100 or 1 Mil IDR. Given the exchange rate, her maths isn't the greatest. I ask about LT, which she agrees to for a price of 1. 5 million. She says she has to leave by 630-7 as she has a regular job to go to. I agree, zip to the bathroom, but when I Come back, cask "2 shots yes?" To which she agrees.

Back to the room, shapely body, BBBJ, few positions, fake moaning / compliments. Sleep.

Awake at 630am and she's dressing to leave? I ask about round 2 and she agrees. Lacklustre missionary but I appreciate time constraints and was still planning to grab some details for a return experience.

So, all done and she's saying "because we sex twice maybe you give me more money, maybe 2 mil". Now I'm not adverse to tipping if I've had a good time, but it was a little mechanical so I give her 1. 7 mil. At this point she starts whining "100000 more? Need money for my daughter. God will give you more money. I need money for taxi, food etc"

I stand my ground, on principle, and say I'm not paying anymore and that I've already given her US $150. Finally she realises she can't win and storms out threatening me saying "maybe if I see you in the club again I call my brother to punch you etc"!

Ok, so some of you might think I'm an idiot for arguing over $10, but I refused on principle. Yes I can easily afford it, but when you've agreed to a price, and number of shots, it gets very irritating when you start hustling for more cash.

Also clearly she was trying to nick off without round two, maybe she agreed without actually planning to follow through. What exactly do you think LT entails sweetie? Sharing my bed for fun?

Especially whee someone the girls ask for extra cash for eating, taxi etc it gives me the shits. I ate at a small nasi Padang place yesterday, I know you can eat for Rp. 15000 so don't tell me you need 100000.

Now as for the threat of being bashed, well I hope I'm ok the rest of the time here. I'm not staying at the Shangrila nor planning to return to BATS so from rust perspective I should be alright. Just hope she's not vindictive enough to have someone waiting outside my hotel to follow me, but given a lack of specific threat as such, I hope to be ok.

I had some questionable experiences with LT in Angeles too which is making me wonder whether I should keep persisting. Unfortunately it's starting to boil down to the three how's,"how much, how long, how many times".

May give Blok M a whirl later on.

Wish me luck! And safety!

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1479585]I think there was another Ana about (I thought it was spelled Anna). In 2009 I took her from Top Gun an had a few enjoyable nights with her. She didn't want nude pictures but compromised on a few while wearing my shirt. See attachment. Do you think this was the same one? In December 2012 I saw her in Eastern Promise. She still wore the same style of short dress made of very sheer fabric that caught my attention in the past. She was with a bule and looked happy. I toasted her from a distance and she aknowledged with a broad smile.

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]Doesn't look like the Ana Smoothie posted but could be. And still not the Ana I originally asked about! Surprises me no-one knows her as she was popular, active, non stop dancer, very sexy and so regular in Top Gun. Since been told she had a motor cycle accident a couple of months ago and still recuperating, but she seemed to haver dropped off the scene before then anyway.

In summary, too many Anas are never enough!

[QUOTE=Zeppelin029;1479680]Wish me luck! And safety![/QUOTE]Good luck down at the Block. Don't worry about the BATS experience, sometimes you get a bad experience, particularly if they think you're new and don't know the ropes. Forget it. But there's no need to tip a girl if you meet her in a club and agree on a price. You CAN, if you want, but only if she's really fun and you want to go out of your way to express your appreciation. I don't buy the extra for "taxi money" in that situation, either. That's a non-reimbursable overhead cost on her part, unless there's some special circumstance (like you take her out to Depok or Tangerang, without telling her first). On the other hand, you should always tip in bordellos, at least 50k. The girl's cut at those places is pretty small and often comes late with all sorts of deductions, so a bit extra is really the right way to go. On the Block, aim to pay at least half what you paid at BATS and preferably a third. Be confident about it, don't bargain, just offer a reasonable price and if she doesn't like it, give her a polite smile and a pat on the arse and try another one.

[QUOTE=Zeppelin029; 1479680]Hey guys.

So, I'm quoted US$100 or 1 Mil IDR. Given the exchange rate, her maths isn't the greatest. I ask about LT, which she agrees to for a price of 1. 5 million. She says she has to leave by 630-7 as she has a regular job to go to. I agree, zip to the bathroom, but when I Come back, cask "2 shots yes?" To which she agrees. Back to the room, shapely body, BBBJ, few positions, fake moaning / compliments. Sleep.

Awake at 630am and she's dressing to leave? I ask about round 2 and she agrees. Lacklustre missionary but I appreciate time constraints and was still planning to grab some details for a return experience. So, all done and she's saying "because we sex twice maybe you give me more money, maybe 2 mil". Now I'm not adverse to tipping if I've had a good time, but it was a little mechanical so I give her 1. 7 mil. At this point she starts whining "100000 more." I stand my ground, on principle, and say I'm not paying anymore and that I've already given her US $150.[/QUOTE]This is why I prefer ST the first time I am with a girl. I would rather not make the big investment before I sample the goods. If the 1st round is great and there is some chemistry, I can usually extend the session or definitely make another date for later. If the session is less than great, I am better off to keep it short time and let her go. The only time I don't arrange ST the first time is in AC and Subic where LT is the default. But even in AC and Subic, I will cut a girl loose if I am not 100% satisfied with her. I would rather sleep alone or go out hunting again. There are plenty more fish in the sea.

[QUOTE=Zeppelin029;1479680]Also clearly she was trying to nick off without round two, maybe she agreed without actually planning to follow through. What exactly do you think LT entails sweetie? Sharing my bed for fun? ![/QUOTE]I've never seen the point in trying to negotiate with a freelancer over LT because they will almost certainly give you the "capek" excuse after the first shot, so if you want a proper LT, go book them on-site at King's Cross, Stadium etc, because this way she knows you can complain if she didn't service you but it's expensive.

By the way, Blok M ST is 750, 00k + taxi, if they won't budge then try later before closing time they might change their minds and in my experience always worked especially if it's a weekday not a weekend.

By the way 750k which I wrote about on my previous post was referring to Top Gun and MyBar.

While we're on the topic of ST and LT prices, here's the system in D's place.

BBBJ / w CIM inside the VIP room: 300k.

FS inside the VIP room 500k (yes, even for that beautiful tall fair skinned odd one out with the attitude who isn't a MILF).

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1479963]This is why I prefer ST the first time I am with a girl. I would rather not make the big investment before I sample the goods. If the 1st round is great and there is some chemistry, I can usually extend the session or definitely make another date for later.[/QUOTE]Apart from girls signing up for LT and then wanting to scoot off early, you also get the opposite situation, where a girl agrees to ST and then can't be bothered going home before subuh. A lot of boarding houses and even residential zones frown on women coming home between about midnight and dawn, it looks better for them to come home after subuh anyway. So it's not always such a big difference. To be honest, I never specify ST or LT (and quite often don't talk money upfront, either) , and it seems to work out okay, mostly they leave at about five to get home to cook for the kids and so on.

[QUOTE=Zeppelin029; 1479680]Hey guys.

I'm jumping ahead and posting about my first experience in Jakarta, have not yet posted about my time in Angeles but I thought I'd share what happened last night.

I decide on BATS to open my time here, thinking that despite the price, if I get lazy later on I could get access to some action quickly without having to go out.

Arrive, music is way too loud. Band is reasonable. Few girls around. Circle circle, particularly taken by one girl in a Burberry dress who's giving me the eye but by the time I get to wanting to approach her she's with another gent. I begin chatting yo another lovely with a flower in her hair for the next hour or so. Eventually she says she has to go "working" as she has to find customers, alias I ask "what about me". The price quoted is US$150 for ST! I ask if she can go LT and she ponders the thought, telling me she doesn't want to stay.

At this point I don't think I'm winning, however there is another shapely girl who has appeared next to me, and she immediately begins talking, hugging blah blah. Meanwhile the first girl ends up off with someone else. Oh well, good for her.

So, I'm quoted US$100 or 1 Mil IDR. Given the exchange rate, her maths isn't the greatest. I ask about LT, which she agrees to for a price of 1. 5 million. She says she has to leave by 630-7 as she has a regular job to go to. I agree, zip to the bathroom, but when I Come back, cask "2 shots yes?" To which she agrees.

Back to the room, shapely body, BBBJ, few positions, fake moaning / compliments. Sleep.

Awake at 630am and she's dressing to leave? I ask about round 2 and she agrees. Lacklustre missionary but I appreciate time constraints and was still planning to grab some details for a return experience.

So, all done and she's saying "because we sex twice maybe you give me more money, maybe 2 mil". Now I'm not adverse to tipping if I've had a good time, but it was a little mechanical so I give her 1. 7 mil. At this point she starts whining "100000 more? Need money for my daughter. God will give you more money. I need money for taxi, food etc"

I stand my ground, on principle, and say I'm not paying anymore and that I've already given her US $150. Finally she realises she can't win and storms out threatening me saying "maybe if I see you in the club again I call my brother to punch you etc"!

Ok, so some of you might think I'm an idiot for arguing over $10, but I refused on principle. Yes I can easily afford it, but when you've agreed to a price, and number of shots, it gets very irritating when you start hustling for more cash.

Also clearly she was trying to nick off without round two, maybe she agreed without actually planning to follow through. What exactly do you think LT entails sweetie? Sharing my bed for fun?

Especially whee someone the girls ask for extra cash for eating, taxi etc it gives me the shits. I ate at a small nasi Padang place yesterday, I know you can eat for Rp. 15000 so don't tell me you need 100000.

Now as for the threat of being bashed, well I hope I'm ok the rest of the time here. I'm not staying at the Shangrila nor planning to return to BATS so from rust perspective I should be alright. Just hope she's not vindictive enough to have someone waiting outside my hotel to follow me, but given a lack of specific threat as such, I hope to be ok.

I had some questionable experiences with LT in Angeles too which is making me wonder whether I should keep persisting. Unfortunately it's starting to boil down to the three how's,"how much, how long, how many times".

May give Blok M a whirl later on.

Wish me luck! And safety![/QUOTE]It's unfortunate that you had such a bad experience but I do think that you are right in holding your ground. If you have given in then it would be expected all of the time. I can't say I have had any such experience in Jakarta as I tend to be firm at the beginning. After negotiating I suggestively tell them that's all I have.

I usually don't to LT with a new girl, always try ST and feel them out as to their method of operation. You can tell the hustlers from the others very quickly.

Even though you met here at BATS she may still be around in Blok M so just be a bit careful. I have never had any issues with girls in Jakarta but that doesn't mean that there aren't any incidents. Be safe and stay alert I don't think you would have any issues.

There's nothing to worry even if you go to BATS. Security is pretty tight there. They don't want shit to happen on their premises.

I have thrown out women who did not honour their part of the agreement and been threatened. Those are just empty threats. Complain about the broad to security at BATS if she really threatened you and they will ban her.

I really don't like to treat women bad or argue for USD20 but like you, I stand by 'principles' LOL.

I normally stay at a 5* hotel and no one is going to come into your room without your permission in South East Asia! PERIOD!

[QUOTE=Zeppelin029; 1479680]Hey guys.

Wish me luck! And safety![/QUOTE]

Usual trip to Jakarta. Was staying at the Mulia. Went down to CJ's to check out the scene. Was there on a Wednesday (Ladies Nite). Really crowded and sorry to say that CJ's has seen much better days with regards to the girls available. Ratio of 60:40 / men:women. Not a good ratio for punting.

Just casually walked around and surveyed the scene. Got talking to a few. One girl was slim and was chatty. Just continued chatting until 2 and she said that she was sleepy. I said that she could sleep in my room. Unfortunately, both of us were not carrying condoms. So just went to sleep. Little McM woke a few times in the nite but somehow goaded him to sleep.

Could not do for long. Played around with her tits and she 'woke up'. Handjob for me. Tried to push her head down but no luck. Finished and went back to sleep. In the morning, gave her 200K for the privilege of her company. She said 'All pay 1 Juta'. I said that they pay for sex while she should be paying me for sleeping in a nice room. Anyway, gave her 300K. I should not have paid but I was really in no mood to argue and wanted to go back to sleep.

On Friday, tried Red Square at Senayan Arcadia. Entry was 130k cover for 1 drink (I think). Really crowded and the girls are worse than at CJ's. Too much of the smoking crowd and fat bules trying to muster dance moves. Stood against a wall until Jasmine showed up with her friend. She was half from Pontianak and half from Aceh. 28, Nice face, good body. Initially she showed some interest but it was getting nowhere but there were no fall-back options too. Around 2, asked her if she wanted to go back with me. She said 1. 5 mil. I countered with 1 mil. Anyway, some other guys started chatting with her and I asked her how much till morning. She said, that now its 2 mil for short time and 3 mil till morning. Well, she was good but I have never paid more than 1. 5mil. So good-bye and back to hotel for snooze.

First trip to Jakarta without sampling the local produce LOL.

I have heard a lot about Red Square from my friends and how its a nice place to pick up normal girls. From my experience, there were not too many normal girls there. Its CJ's with more smoke, less girls and more crowd.

Cheers,

McM