Phnom Penh

[QUOTE=Danubius;2403883]Just arrived in Phnom Penh and checked in to the 5 star Palace Gate Hotel ans Resort. As I always do, I contacted the hotel before booking regarding occassional visitors amd got the following reply:

"Regarding to your concern, I would like to inform that there is no extra charge for occasional guest. Yet please be Inform the reception when you expect friends visit in your room and must leave their passport at reception if they stay overnight.

If you require any further information, please feel free to contact me at anytime!

I thought, so far so good and booked a suite for 4 nights. Now I am told, that only (!) passports are a accepted but national ID cards are not! It is hotel policy. So I can only bring a girl, if she has a passport. I am pursuing this hobby for over 30 years, but has never been tricked this way, as I belive my mail with my qiestion was quite obvious and the answer was intentionally misleading!

What would you guys do? Are there short time rooms in and around the rld! Especially street 136?[/QUOTE]They responded the girl needed a passport, not a National ID card. The hotel did not trick you imo if your intentions were for the girl to stay all night.

As someone said below, I tend to avoid 5 and even 4 star hotels in cities where I intend to bring girls back to my room.

Hotels are dirt cheap near Street 136 and I doubt any of them are not girl friendly. Book another room when you have a girl.

To require a passport and not elaborating on it is willful negligence on the part of the hotel and likely illegal in Cambodia. Passport holders are those who travel abroad. It is a paid-for document. The Cambodian ID, on the other hand, is for free. It is mandatory. It carries a picture. It is the universal agent of identification in Cambodia. "Nation, religion, king" is the printed motto. It entails a chip. The hotel perfectly knows that they discriminate against Cambodian female company with this policy. They must state this to the customer. Reckless against customer and country, as paid legal age romanticism is one of the development straws of neglected Cambodia. Give the hotel hell. No good sobs.

[QUOTE=Danubius;2403883]"Regarding to your concern, I would like to inform that there is no extra charge for occasional guest. Yet please be Inform the reception when you expect friends visit in your room and must leave their passport at reception if they stay overnight.
[/QUOTE]IMO that's a pretty crystal clear announcement, there isn't any lie, so for me it's not a scam.

Day 1.

I arrived to Phnom Penh two days ago from the Philippines for a Christmas break. My flight went via KL and I gladly had booked a Business Class flight from KL to PP as the flight was delayed nearly two hours so I was just relaxing at the lounge. Anyway I arrived late at my hotel (Monsoon Boutique Hotel on 130st) and since I woke up pretty early, I was totally exhausted and just went out to buy some necessities like beer and cigarettes. I did notice that there were not much tourists around although it was a Friday night and during the short walk trip I was almost forcefully taken to several bars by tens of girls sitting outside of each bar. Some girl grabbed my dick on the street when walking back to a hotel and many were shouting and asking for my room number. I had a moment eyeing the traffic from my balcony and went to sleep.

Day 2.

I woke up in the morning sweaty as the A/C was busted (this seem to be quite normal at Monsoon hotel based on its Tripadvisor reviews).

Went down for breakfast which was basically a scrambled egg, bacon and coffee for USD5 (you have some other options to choose also). I complained about the A/C and went out for a walk. Had my lunch in Cheers Sports Bar which used to be Paddy Rice if I am not mistaken, it served mediocre quite odd tasting green chili but I managed to get it down. Then I went back to the hotel to wait for the aircon repair guy who came at the afternoon just to tell me that it can't be fixed. Hotel management told me that they could transfer me to their partner hotel Vacation Boutique on 136st but I opted to stay as it was kind of late already and it was not that hot inside the room, I just asked for a stand fan.

During the day I tried to download some hookup apps like Tinder, Badoo, WeChat, Skout and Zalo but had little to none success on those.

Monsoon Boutique is conveniently next to Angry Birds bar so I went down and straight in around 10 PM, and the place had two customers inside. Two ladies followed me back in and the other one was quite cute, she was 26 years old and her sister also works at the bar. So I chatted with her that night until 12:30 AM or so and she seemed to be very nice and I felt that we had a good chemistry. Some chubby lady came later during the night and she was forcefully kissing my cheek several times, I got a little pissed and asked her to stop and she left. There was also some issue with an older gentleman which bar fined or girl (or at least she changed her clothes) and there was some argument when I was at the toilet, the older gentleman left and seemed to be angry about something. I was getting tired and asked for a bill. I never mentioned a bar fine as it was not my intention but automatically when I was asking for a bill this girl said that her aunt died and she needs to go home (which was obviously a story to avoid possible bar fine). Anyway I felt a bit like cheated at that moment and would not probably go there again on this trip. My damage was USD25 for several hours of drinking. Not bad. I hit the bed and for Sunday I will change my hotel for one night at NagaWorld.

[QUOTE=Finlayson;2405078] this girl said that her aunt died and she needs to go home (which was obviously a story to avoid possible bar fine). Anyway I felt a bit like cheated at that moment and would not probably go there again on this trip. My damage was USD25 for several hours of drinking. Not bad.[/QUOTE]I'm still unable to grasp this new PP concept that the girls are at bars only to drink and not to be barfined. I'm assuming half of the $25 drinks at the bar were yours so that leaves $12.50 total for the girl's drinks. The bar will take at least half of this so let's say the girl has made a grand total of $6.25 for sitting with you for several hours. If she did ST she could make $30-40. LT $40-70. Doesn't add up to me.

Now from a bar's perspective a nice looking girl can bring in much more money for drinks than getting a measly $10 barfine for the girl being gone for 1.5 hours or even all night. Maybe upping the barfine to $20 or $25 would compensate the bar more fairly if you take away one of their top money makers.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2405262]I'm still unable to grasp this new PP concept that the girls are at bars only to drink and not to be barfined. I'm assuming half of the $25 drinks at the bar were yours so that leaves $12.50 total for the girl's drinks. The bar will take at least half of this so let's say the girl has made a grand total of $6.25 for sitting with you for several hours. If she did ST she could make $30-40. LT $40-70. Doesn't add up to me.

Now from a bar's perspective a nice looking girl can bring in much more money for drinks than getting a measly $10 barfine for the girl being gone for 1.5 hours or even all night. Maybe upping the barfine to $20 or $25 would compensate the bar more fairly if you take away one of their top money makers.[/QUOTE]You haven't grasped this concept as you haven't factored in the fact Cambodians are not enterprising or mercantile people so they don't think about things like maximising their profits / time, so drinking and not fcking for a few hours to make 6 usd multiplied by 3-4 other guys willing to do the same thing = 20-30 usd which is more than enough for her daily expenses.

Plus you haven't factored in the x number of sponsors sending her money or expats living there who support her.

[QUOTE=Finlayson;2405078]Day 1.

I arrived to Phnom Penh two days ago from the Philippines for a Christmas break. My flight went via KL and I gladly had booked a Business Class flight from KL to PP as the flight was delayed nearly two hours so I was just relaxing at the lounge. Anyway I arrived late at my hotel (Monsoon Boutique Hotel on 130st) and since I woke up pretty early, I was totally exhausted and just went out to buy some necessities like beer and cigarettes. I did notice that there were not much tourists around although it was a Friday night and during the short walk trip I was almost forcefully taken to several bars by tens of girls sitting outside of each bar. Some girl grabbed my dick on the street when walking back to a hotel and many were shouting and asking for my room number. I had a moment eyeing the traffic from my balcony and went to sleep.

Day 2.

I woke up in the morning sweaty as the A/C was busted (this seem to be quite normal at Monsoon hotel based on its Tripadvisor reviews).

Went down for breakfast which was basically a scrambled egg, bacon and coffee for USD5 (you have some other options to choose also). I complained about the A/C and went out for a walk. Had my lunch in Cheers Sports Bar which used to be Paddy Rice if I am not mistaken, it served mediocre quite odd tasting green chili but I managed to get it down. Then I went back to the hotel to wait for the aircon repair guy who came at the afternoon just to tell me that it can't be fixed. Hotel management told me that they could transfer me to their partner hotel Vacation Boutique on 136st but I opted to stay as it was kind of late already and it was not that hot inside the room, I just asked for a stand fan.[/QUOTE]DAY 3.

Woke up in the morning around 7 AM and went down for a breakfast again, same set of shit but with extra crispy bacon. I asked them to burn it really well LOL. I hate floppy bacon as much as you hate floppy willy when its time to play, you just got to have it hard and crispy. Packed my bags and upon leaving I was kindly told that since the aircon did not work, all my room bills are settled and considered free. That's a nice gesture but I might not book this hotel again.

I took Grab to NagaWorld 2, it came as a Lexus SUV and cost USD2.

Check in was a breeze but of course I went first wrongly to Naga 1 as it was not stated in my booking. It is quite a hike with luggage from Naga 1 to 2, but a portier assisted me so no worries. It really takes 5 minutes at least to stroll through the underground passage through tax free branded shops. They charge deposit os USD100 a day in Naga 2 which is quite a lot, breakfast is USD12 if bought during check in and USD15 if bought in the morning. I ate lunch in the Italian restaurant at Naga 1 second floor and food was great. At night I noticed that I could see about 50 girls within 150 m in Zalo, they were all quoting USD200 for a night until morning but went immediately down to USD150 and this was around 9 PM. I went to the lobby lounge and watched the world go by, slowly zipping a bottle of white wine and saw about 5 or 6 girls at the bar counter and more strolling around nearby. I took one lady with me and agreed USD100 for a price until morning and the time was around 11 AM. While walking back to Naga 2 you could see a dozen of ladies at the underground guarding that no one can pass by without taking them with too. Also some girls were womanning the food court tables near escalator to Naga 2 reception. Now I am not sure, but you can probably take the elevator from LG directly to your room without walking pass the reception, but I used the escalator so no one at the reception really minded about us. This girl was 22 years old, claimed to be Korean which I didn't really believe, probably Cambodian. She was maybe 165 cm with heels and really white, cute face and great to talk with. I will skip the night part, but service was great and she left at the same time when I went to have a breakfast.

Day 4.

Breakfast at Naga 2 was nice with great selection and I think for USD12 it is worth it compared to USD5 scrambled eggs and bacon on the previous hotel. I checked out at 11 AM (they have USD100 penalty per hour if you are late) and took a Grab to Lux Riverside Hotel on 136st which will be my station for the next 5 nights. I got a nice one bedroom apartment with balcony and washing machine / kitchen for about USD240 including breakfast. Not bad. And now the time is 2 PM and it is time to look for some lunch.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2405382]You haven't grasped this concept as you haven't factored in the fact Cambodians are not enterprising or mercantile people so they don't think about things like maximising their profits / time, so drinking and not fcking for a few hours to make 6 usd multiplied by 3-4 other guys willing to do the same thing = 20-30 usd which is more than enough for her daily expenses.

Plus you haven't factored in the x number of sponsors sending her money or expats living there who support her.[/QUOTE]Atta boy. At close inspection, the theory of homo economics, the ever rational, economically maximising (wo) man does not hold in the West and it certainly does not hold in Cambodia. The pretty girls fork up facebook friends and some will send 50 US $ or so by Western Union or World Remit etc. Every once in a while. When down and out, the pretties can easily go with men short time, but many will not. Patience, money, game and their assessment of your material caliber help. The girls who can speak English can go upscale as Mutant experienced. Darlin Darlin and other venues. Darlin Darlin is over air conditioned, beware, more an igloo than a dance bar.

[QUOTE=Danubius;2403883]Just arrived in Phnom Penh and checked in to the 5 star Palace Gate Hotel ans Resort. As I always do, I contacted the hotel before booking regarding occassional visitors amd got the following reply: "Regarding to your concern, I would like to inform that there is no extra charge for occasional guest. Yet please be Inform the reception when you expect friends visit in your room and must leave their passport at reception if they stay overnight. If you require any further information, please feel free to contact me at anytime!

I thought, so far so good and booked a suite for 4 nights. Now I am told, that only (!) passports are a accepted but national ID cards are not! It is hotel policy. So I can only bring a girl, if she has a passport. I am pursuing this hobby for over 30 years, but has never been tricked this way, as I belive my mail with my qiestion was quite obvious and the answer was intentionally misleading! What would you guys do? Are there short time rooms in and around the rld! Especially street 136?[/QUOTE]I fail to see a scam, but I see a loser who ignores seems to have deliberately ignored clear directions and rules, and is now crying foul. Did you try smiling and persuading the hotel staff? Did you offer incentive?

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2403975]You are obviously scammed by this hotel, but they will of course hide behind the rather misleading reply they sent you. I would have contacted the manager on site and explained it all to him / her. Politely ask them to refund you if you have paid already and find a new hotel. If not successful I would have told him you will post bad comments / reports of the hotel on Tripadvisor or similar web pages. That normally helps! When I was there a few months ago I am sure some bargirls told me they had rooms upstairs for boom-boom. But I can not remember the name of these bars, sorry. Good luck to you! One advise; stay away from the 5 star hotels. They are not worth the extra charge and they normally have a strict policy regarding "working girls". There are many 3 and 4 stars hotel with excellent value for money.[/QUOTE]Some good advice and some bad, IMHO. You are right about cheap ST hotels and some bars having rooms. LE Cyrcee is one such bar.

Leaving a review on Trip Advisor means nothing to these folks. They deal with all kids of customers all year long.

[QUOTE=Perennial;2404060]There are literally dozens of guesthouses which thrive on P&P, 10 us $ an hour. Every tuk tuk driver knows. Bring 50 US $ cash notes to Cambodia. The 5 star hotel posture is ludicrous. Threaten with Tripadvisor. Happy hunting. Wish I was there.[/QUOTE]Threaten is probably not the word one would use in such circumstances. Remember you are a guest in a foreign country and your Western values and ways of life mean absolutely nothing here.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2404136]Who told you you couldn't bring a girl without a passport? The front desk? Was that for all night or even a short visit? If it was for all night, you knew that going in. If it was for even a short visit, did you show them the E-mail you were sent? Did you contact the person who sent it to you to tell the front desk to abide by what he told you? If you did and he did nothing, then they did lie to you and you should demand a refund, and if they won't give it, tell them that you will dispute the charge on your credit card and leave a negative review on the Internet.[/QUOTE]Opening a dispute on the card charge won't get too far, he has no case for argument. The hotel has communicated in writing that they need a passport. Where is the dispute then? Review on a the internet? What are you going to complain about? Every hotel gets a poor review once in a while, its water off a duck's back for these guys.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2404219]They responded the girl needed a passport, not a National ID card. The hotel did not trick you imo if your intentions were for the girl to stay all night. As someone said below, I tend to avoid 5 and even 4 star hotels in cities where I intend to bring girls back to my room. Hotels are dirt cheap near Street 136 and I doubt any of them are not girl friendly. Book another room when you have a girl.[/QUOTE]Best advice I have seen so far. Just cut your losses and move on. You are on a holiday, you do not want to burden yourself with this setback.

It has been a while since I stayed there. There is a decent dinner time buffet at the casino. All you need to do is go to the host desk and ask for it. They do not check if you a gambler or not. Actually I had a girl with me and we went for that every night free. Girl liked it because it is half Cambo and half western.

Arrived from SG by around 1 pm. Cruised through immigration, baggage claim, SIM card (Metfone for $5, unlimited internet). Booked a Passapp ride to the Point Boutique Hotel on Street 130, checked-in and settled in by 2 pm. Let the games begin.

As I mentioned in some previous posts, killing time in the afternoons in PP (if you are not into art, literature, religion and such noble pursuits) can be challenging or unhealthy (you could sit and drink! So I usually call in some tried and tested girls from my roster to keep company in the sweltering heat till it is conducive to step out in the open. Of course, the occasional walk to the massage shop, or the laundry or a restaurant should be discounted.

So, every afternoon I had one girl from a reliable list I have built up over time. Of course, this time I had the pleasure of meeting 3 other BMs on ground, and we had an absolute blast together. Thanks guys, you know who you are! Now on to the reporting.

For food, here are my picks:

1. O La La on St 136 still has a good menu and though the prices are a tad on the higher side, I find the quality of food quite good.

2. Harry's is great for the specials. Beer is cheap at $1 and it is a great place to watch sports of any kind. The Khmer food at Harry's is terrible though.

3. On the Corner near St 130 (the original) is absolutely fantastic, but the time they take to serve food can be a buzzkill, especially when you are famished.

4. On the Corner 2 near St 144 is also good, and I think they have the most comprehensive menu in that part of town.

5. If you like Asian far, Noodle House on the corner of St 136 and St 5 is fantastic.

6. If you prefer high end cuisine, head to the Independence Monument area; several places there. I visited Ngon and Malis. Google for location. Both are remarkable. Ngon is not really expensive either.

7. If you like craft beer and good bunch of sides / mains / BBQ head to Botanico on St 29 near Independence Monument. Highly recommended.

Now for the bars:

1. Street 136 still rules the roost for being the busiest street for hobbyists. Bars to note are Alaska, Tokyo, Xanadu. Bars to give a pass are all others. I think I saw some of the worst lookers at Pussycat, Sweet Lemon and 69 Bar. Some other bars like I Get You, Sahara, Route 136, Tiger, etc. Have at least 1 decent looking girl, but that is about it. Zero choice. Military Bar is the best place to play pool, don't expect girls here.

2. Street 130 is next on the list. Angry Birds, Intoxica, Honeypot, Dragonfly, Loco, Splash, Blue Bird and OneThreeSix are all quite good. On a couple of nights there was no place to sit at Angry Birds and Intoxica.

3. Street 5 is the biggest loser on this list. We must have peeked into at least a dozen or so bars here. Found one bar with a couple of decent girls. There is one place with twins working in the same bar. Could be interesting.

4. Street 118 and Street 110 are completely passable.

5. Street 104 is no better or worse off than my last visit. Airforce was fantastic on all 3 nights I visited. Boss Bar, OneZeroFour, Top Ten, Nana Bar, Marine Bar all have decent talent, but nothing outstanding.

6. There were a gaggle of other bars we peeked into around the St 172, St 178 and St 51 areas. Nothing to really write home about, except for a totally non-descript bar on St 178, next to Royal Sarowan Hotel, just before hitting Norodom Blvd if approaching from the Riverside. The bar has no name. There are probably half a dozen girls here, most of them a bit mature but very well put together and fairly smart. If you are an older gent looking for some company along with some fun, this might be a good place to poke around.

Other places:

1. Among clubs Pontoon is still alive and kicking. Went there 2 nights, returned with a prize on one of the nights. Among the best picks of this trip.

2. Places like DOS and Paradise were closed, maybe we got there late - 1 am on Thursday.

3. Casa Nightclub & KTV near what Phnom is shut down for good.

4. Wanted to visit Soul Golden KTV, but could not find the time.

5. Did not visit Darlin Darlin this time.

6. The KTVs on Street 118 are a waste of time.

My Hotel:

I will never stay again at Point Boutique. The fridge in the room kept stopping, the aircon takes forever to cool, the balcony is an apology and cannot accommodate a single grown man, the water supply was cut off on one day without warning, etc. Too many fuckups to given them a second chance. No problems, plenty of other places offering better value for the money I paid there. $40 a night.

So that is it. I hope it makes for informative reading for all you fine folks. Keep going!

[QUOTE=Finlayson;2405398]DAY 3.

Woke up in the morning around 7 AM and went down for a breakfast again, same set of shit but with extra crispy bacon. I asked them to burn it really well LOL. I hate floppy bacon as much as you hate floppy willy when its time to play, you just got to have it hard and crispy. Packed my bags and upon leaving I was kindly told that since the aircon did not work, all my room bills are settled and considered free. That's a nice gesture but I might not book this hotel again.

I took Grab to NagaWorld 2, it came as a Lexus SUV and cost USD2.

Check in was a breeze but of course I went first wrongly to Naga 1 as it was not stated in my booking. It is quite a hike with luggage from Naga 1 to 2, but a portier assisted me so no worries. It really takes 5 minutes at least to stroll through the underground passage through tax free branded shops. They charge deposit os USD100 a day in Naga 2 which is quite a lot, breakfast is USD12 if bought during check in and USD15 if bought in the morning. I ate lunch in the Italian restaurant at Naga 1 second floor and food was great. At night I noticed that I could see about 50 girls within 150 m in Zalo, they were all quoting USD200 for a night until morning but went immediately down to USD150 and this was around 9 PM. I went to the lobby lounge and watched the world go by, slowly zipping a bottle of white wine and saw about 5 or 6 girls at the bar counter and more strolling around nearby. I took one lady with me and agreed USD100 for a price until morning and the time was around 11 AM..[/QUOTE]If you were not staying at Nagaworld — like I'm not — what would you suggest as a plan for a US man economically pulling a lady out of there? Where would you go and about what time? That set up seems huge! And many different venues within the complex.

You are so right on the point hotel. I stayed there when I went and I reported here about the same things. The room had a friend and dint work at all they told me that none in the hotel worked it wasn't just mine. Also the ac was awful never cooled the room. But the first night I checked in they put me in room they knew the A/C was broke all together. Just terrible customer service there all week I was there.

Has anyone stayed there in new tower how was it? Rooms seem very reasonable thanks.

[QUOTE=RunMemphis;2405674]If you were not staying at Nagaworld like I'm not what would you suggest as a plan for a US man economically pulling a lady out of there? Where would you go and about what time? That set up seems huge! And many different venues within the complex.[/QUOTE]I am not a professional on PP night life, but when I was staying in Naga 2 the price was quite affrodable. I only paid USD60 per night.

But the negotiations regarding night butterfly prices are better after midnight, that is the time for bargain sale.