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I will be in Germany for a couple of weeks sometime in mid-summer. I have spent several hours searching for places to visit and the FKK clubs seem to offer the best return on investment.

I can figure out where to visit pretty much on my own, though any recommendations would be appreciated. I'll be in the Frankfurt area for two days, probably staying near the airport, and then near Ulm for the remainder of the trip. I do not believe there is much going on around Ulm, but I'd like to use my Frankfurt time well.

So now for the simple question. I have seen the letters AO and RO used routinely. I think I have found the 'AO' meaning (alles ohne). My searching so far has given me nothing that would help me understand "RO". In some uses I think it is possibly the letter designation for Romania (as in a girls country of origin). Is there another meaning that I haven't found?

Please do not let my relatively low post count reflect. I do not travel outside the US much anymore. I have over 1,100 posts in the USASG. I have mongered on both the USASG and ISG long enough that many of my posts are 'grandfathered' from before Jackson stopped counting posts from the two boards together.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1673568]
But what really bothers me is this bullshit "pay 200 euro what you get in Dietzenbach for 30 euro". This is total bullshit. You should accept that also in pay sex "money rules the world". But what you believe is saying at Dietzenbach you get a gourmet meal for the price at McD or BK. Or other example your opinion says at Dietzenbach you can buy an Audi A6 or a BMW 5 er or a Mercedes E class for the price of a VW Polo or Opel Corsa.

[b]You really think pay sex world is in this way?[/b][/QUOTE]You really never experienced that it does? That money can't buy everything? It is not BS that sometimes you get more for 50 EUR (or 30 EUR at Dietzenbach) than a 200 or more EUR session can buy. I don't THINK it is that way, I KNOW it is. If you don't, you are missing something. ;)

BTW: Michaela's room behavior can be great, if you click with her. A lot of guys do not.

HB.

To echo HB's comments, money really isn't everything. I've had some of my "greatest" days in the 30 euro RTC clubs. I've had great fun with Michaella in Dietzenbach, nit just in the room, but also for hours afterwards just being crazy in the couch. Also saw her in a regular club once and accordingly spent most of the day with her 9 and more patient service in the room). Besides her I had similar experiences in Venus with Michaela, Elena and Sara (now Andrea in Freude), Kitty in Grimberg, Ana and Narcisa in Verena and so on. That's not to say you don't have crap sessions as well, but a lot is possible for 30 euros as well.

Last week I was in a bunch of clubs that still charge 75/80 for an hour and on average it was a lot better than the many 100 an hour clubs there are nowadays. To be specific: everyone offered DFK and fingering, two of them also in the back door. Money isn't everything and sometimes too much spending in a club just decreases the general standards (see GT, Oase, Palace).

I attend some clubs that wouldn't be a top choice for most here, and at times I find some great sessions for less. I've also had sessions with girls less than the asking price, which puts icing on the cake. Yes, some girls scales in services with money, and some just provide without such incentives which I prefer. A happy lesson from PHG from while ago. I've heard of demanding punters, but girls can be demanding too. In this case money wise. Some girls, probably keep pushing it if they see your wallet opening up a bit more.

Of course money isn't everything but not unimportant to get really good pay sex. LOL Of course respectful behaviour with the girls is also important. Its helps when chemestry fit and you have a connection to the girl.

And you still can found a hidden diamond in almost every club. And of course you can waste a lot of money for getting allways nothing and on the other hand you get somewhere for 50 euro a honeymoon night.

But guys be realistic don't declare the exception to the standard. No top class girl will work at Dietzenbach or in a other cheap AO club. In general the girls, her boyfriend, pimp, manager. Take care that the girl makes the most money that possible. And don't come on with the opinion oh at this cheap club they makes 20 rooms every day. Fine great means max. 600 euro. Don't know what ghe club get. And for sure a pussy that hurts every second day.

No guys No top class girl will do that. And also the higher health risk when having AO with almost every client.

Top class girls (looking / behaviour / charm / excellent service.) get still more money with less effort and risk. Top class FKK club girls still have sometimes easy money 1. 500 or 2. 000 euro overnights.

Of course most guys enjoys Dietzenbach. In your german board almost about every girl there is a report and two times every week you get a complete line up list for Dietzenbach. That is almost more reporting than for other clubs. So far ok on streets you find also more high volumue cars than premium cars. But no one would insist you have the same features or they know a car dealer selling this premium car in the price range of high volume cars.

So be realistic guys enjoy your reliable car with gives you a good service at Dietzenbach but don't dream you are driving a Porsche there. LOL.

The pay sex follows in general simple business rules same like almost all other business areas. So you will never get a Porsche for a Dietzenbach price.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1672665]Sirioja,

Risking AO has nothing to do with being ugly or beautiful. You are worried for the pretty ones but you don't care about the less pretty. A sort of discrimination.

Anyway, I'm often remarking how the look of the girls is generally low, and it is surely true that some of them can work only in AO clubs, some are unpresentable even there, but there are fuckable girls and sometimes out-of-place ones who are a gift, specially considering what you get and, most of all, for how much. They go in those clubs because they can make much more money, so it is intentional, not out of desperation or out of realizing that they are not models.

I have described a sad visit to a "normal" club, last week, ugly girls can be found everywhere.

With all the respect, I think your point is quite disagreeable.

P.S. Don't tell me you are not aware of girls doing AO in non-AO clubs. Also, beautiful ones![/QUOTE]Sorry if my English not so good, I wanted to mean no girls, top model or not very pretty, should have to accept sex without condom to make money.

But stars in FKK clubs make 10/15 meetings and 1000€ each day, on the other hand some girls have to accept to work without condom to make money.

Stars are often pretty girls.

What about girls in cheap club or AO? But I m sure if they could make money with condom, they won't take so much risks.

I never ask for without condom to a prostitute, people who know me say I m crazy but not like this.

I'm out. The discussion doesn't lead anywhere.

I'm sure you can have better sex for 50 than for 500 Euro. Depending on the individual definition of great good sex. Top girl and top Euros doesn't mean top Service. If you want more than just technically good sex.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1673628]I'm out. The discussion doesn't lead anywhere.[/QUOTE]When I first started posting on these boards 9 years ago, there is one rule I made for myself that I have not broken in all of that time. Unless I'm talking about someplace that has set prices for services rendered (or some very well-established prices based on "past practice" you might say), I do not get into discussions or debates about prices or what somebody else should be paying in order to get a quality fuck. It's just a lose-lose proposition all the way around. In the end, a guy is going to pay what a guy wants to pay, and there's nothing that anybody else can do about it. Except spending time arguing and complaining about it, which is something I don't wish to spend my time doing.

Makes no sense when guys think FKK club girls are not working for money there. No they are in club waiting for a guy giving them a nice time and good sex and money doesn't care. LOL LOL LOL.

And I wasn't talking about technically good sex I'm talking about sex like with a girlfriend with no limits that the club girl really wants to please you and you can do with her whatever you want. And this under the condition that your Club girl is more than 30 years younger and according your taste very beautiful and smart.

So a smart girl will do this only for (more) money otherwise we don't talk about pay sex. And just look at the motto at ISG. "Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac. " and I'm sorry to say not your charme. LOL.

Deleted. Thanks. HB

Craiova,

I can agree with you that it is very difficult to find a "porsche" in Grimberg, if by that we mean a very beautiful girl. If by "porsche" we mean great service, for a (let's say it) shameful price, without even counting AO, then you may find many, and many mercedes and bmw. Opel will be really a few. I still think, out of my little experience in major clubs but also out of logic, that beauty and treatment are inversely proportional, fact worsened by the money. If a girl doesn't click with you, it will not be 100 or 1000 euros to make her do it, and money will not cover the gap.

In these days there is a friend of mine in World and Oase, barebacking without surcharge girls he's been taking since a couple of years (= gave them lots of money). Those 2-3 girls are doing it because he goes always and only with them, not because they clicked. Since he takes them for hours, they don't mind the 50-100 they would ask someone else. I remember one of them, over average RTC level, but nothing special. Still, I find disagreeable the point about barebacking if a girl is more or less beautiful: even stunners take risks, since, as you say, they work for money. Extras mean money, so they will take them, it's just a matter of price.

Without making names, I once, recently, was quoted in Freude39 (AO club!) 150 extra for making AO by a non-AO girl! And she wasn't what you would call a stunner.

Talking about principles, I agree that a 18 year old girl shouldn't click too much for a man 3 times her age but it can happen, I don't think it will be the money that will make her put more passion. For more money she may allow anal, CIM, fingering, etc. , but money can't buy everything. I'm not declaring the exception to the standard, I'm talking of the possibility, which does exist.

Top class girls shouldn't work in any FKK either, just on internet for 1-2-3 thousands euros a meeting, a day, since, if you make such a difference, it will not be a matter of 30 euros against 50 for 30 minutes plus the extras. It's true that the more AO you practice the more you risk, but a rich guy could still pass out some diseases, his banknotes will not work as a protection against them. It's either you do it or you don't.

Talking about RTCs, every token a girl gets is 30 euros, even if you buy one room only in F39 40 euros, she will still get 30 and 10 will be kept by the club. If you pay 60 to repeat a girl in another RTC club, it will be 30 each. You must deduct 50 a day, 30 for entrance and 20 for taxes.

Anyway, anybody is entitled to their own opinion, so let's all keep our own.


Seva Lurker,

as far as I know RO stands for Romania(n)

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1673689]
Seva Lurker,

as far as I know RO stands for Romania(n)[/QUOTE]EG, thank you. That is sort of what I had figured, but one post about a specific FKK listed nearly every girl working that day as "(RO)" and I really couldn't believe all the girls were one nationality. So made me wonder if there might have been another meaning as well.

[QUOTE=SevaLurker;1673713]EG, thank you. That is sort of what I had figured, but one post about a specific FKK listed nearly every girl working that day as "(RO)" and I really couldn't believe all the girls were one nationality. So made me wonder if there might have been another meaning as well.[/QUOTE]There are clubs with above 90% Romanians. So depending on the guy posting the line-up this may result in RO girls only.

HB.

[QUOTE=SevaLurker;1673713]EG, thank you. That is sort of what I had figured, but one post about a specific FKK listed nearly every girl working that day as "(RO)" and I really couldn't believe all the girls were one nationality. So made me wonder if there might have been another meaning as well.[/QUOTE]Some reports may use RO to denote Reverse Oral or DATY as it is known here.

[QUOTE=Ableyone;1673725]Some reports may use RO to denote Reverse Oral or DATY as it is known here.[/QUOTE]Not in a lineup post behind every girl's name.

HB.