Kyiv

[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1143510]The problem. Agencies putting some hottie's photos up and then sending you an average at best girl.

The solution. When you think things seem to be too good to be true (they usually are). Meet the girl outside near your building. Let the girl know if the photos aren't real you will just send the girl away with no taxi money. [/QUOTE]CruiserD, too much time wasted that way, and you can't get real hotties like in the photos that way because they don't send them, they send average looking fakes. Therefore need better solution IMHO.

LJ

[QUOTE=Liljoey;1143593]CruiserD, too much time wasted that way...LJ[/QUOTE]Visiting the saloons is too much time waiting unless you live in Kiev and you discover day after day the best girls in the saloons and appartments. I suggest accumulating infos and experiences here with the best girls (fake or real) by the mongers and day after day we have more real and best girls. To get more real girls better to choose the non pink colour girls (most or many of the pink profiles are agencies) who are pro or semi pro girls (looking for sponsorship) not sex for money and with t he time you can distinguish the very professional profiles and others. I have real pretty girls in this way and try to tell them that if fotos are not real. No money no meeting and no taxi fair. And don't loose your time and my time. These semi pro girls are more hot and more opened for sex 9 kissing BBBJ cim and sometimes anal) and usually they are less milage LOL because tey don't fuck 5 or 10 men by day but they go out just when they need money for appartment or university fees or shopping.

Good luck to all.

[QUOTE=Start123; 1143496]I never gave taxi money or stayed at an apartment out of principle. It's an idiotic assumption that the girls are innocent! They are anything but! They know the scam and willingly participate in it without any regard for our time, money or anything else! They could not care less about you, so why should I care about them?

I walked away from one chick who could be a real model, her only fault was she was not the girl in the picture. You should have seen her face! . She probably has never been rejected in her entire life!

Keep the girls in line! [/QUOTE]I agree with what you wrote about the girls not being innocent, knowing the scam and willingly participate in it without regard for how it affects us. However, with the exception of a few girls on Mamba. Ru, I don't believe that the individual girls themselves are putting fake pictures on an escort website. This is the doing of the agency. But the girls know it is being done, although they haven't seen the website for the most part. The self-interested consideration of whether to give taxi fare has more to do with preserving the agency's willingness to continue to send girls to you, I should think.

But it is a given that all the websites are using fake pictures. Therefore, you should rid yourself of the expectation of the girl in the photos coming to your apartment. It is not a realistic expectation in the Kiev market as we know it to be. We can simply hope we will be lucky and benefit from the fact that Kiev has an abundance of truly pretty young women, that by chance one of the hot ones will by chance sent to our doorstep.

What I can't figure out about your post is why would you send away a girl who looks like a model, friend. You were the lucky one. All the others are getting average looking girls, and you finally get one of the model types that Kiev I'd famous for AND YOU SEND HER AWAY? Why would you do that? Please tell us that she asked for too high a price or something else was wrong with her. Otherwise, it is you who lost out on that one, friend. You were a winner at this game and simply left your winnings on the table and walked away. You had what all of us are looking for, but let it slip through your fingers. All in the name of some misguided principle of "keeping the girls inline". That's not your role in Kiev. In Kiev your job is to nail as many real hotties as time and money will allow. Keep your eye on the ball, man. Don't let opportunity to shag a model type at low reasonable price slip away from you again. 'Nuff said.

LJ.

Jackson, I hereby suggest the installation of a section where only paying members with more than 20 posts can read or post.

This will be used as the only reliable Kiev escort reference resource. Instead of sending PM:s with reliable info to each other, users will share verified contact information here on ISG. My guess is that this will motivate even more users to pay the membership fee. Win-win.

Barba

I have had a great time in Eastern Europe this last year. Some of the most amazing times of my life.

Thanks to everyone for the great reviews and information on everything. I plan to start writing about some of my adventures.

This week I had an amazing time at Shooter for ladies night on Wednesday. I am planning on being there soon tonight for another crazy Sunday.

I have been having a lot of luck on mamba and romanceinrussia. This weekend I stopped over at an expo that was going on in the city and met some hot promo models. This city is amazing!

Today, I just stayed in and relaxed with a girl I met earlier in the week. I can't believe it snowed today. I can't wait till warmer weather for all the girls to start wearing skimpier clothes.

I have yet to go to Avalon. Does anyone have any thoughts on what's the best night there?

Thanks,

Mike

I'm a newbie in mongering, so please bear with me if I make some statements that goes without saying.

I'm in Kiev for my second time now, first time was in December. That was what I would like to call a 5-day test run where I met with a woman interested in a serious relationship, tried Rakuena massage, met with one of the "pink girls" from mamba. Aka agencies, and little else.

This time I have tried to be thorough on mamba for a long time, and it has really paid off. Bigtime.

I came down on Tuesday, and had in advance agreed with an amateur student that she'd spend the night with me for 150$. Great value for money, she even offered to do the dishes before she went off for class Wednesday morning.

After some laid back time I had a party with a couple of girls from mamba on Thursday. Nothing to mention. Bit boring actually.

Friday I met the girl from Wednesday again for a sushi dinner, and we went back to my apartment for the night. Again exellent.

Saturday I actually needed to rest, must be out of shape. I went to dinner with a 21 year old possible freebie / travel companion.

Today I had a threesome in my jacuzzi with a couple of amateur girls from mamba, and made use of my new waterproof camera. I'll post a couple of pictures in the appropriate section.

Tomorrow I'll meet another possible freebie / travel companieon for coffee, and in the afternoon I have a 20 year old amateur student from mamba coming to me for som hot jacuzzi action. 100$, before I go to dinner with the girl from Tuesday and Friday.

I'm thinking of going to some clubs also, but that's more fun if you have company. I sent Danish Traveller a PM, but he misunderstood me, so he think that I'm coming down to Kiev on April 14. If you read this DT, I'm here now. You have my number on PM.

Rgs wisi

[QUOTE=Wisiwiw; 1143705]I'm a newbie in mongering,

I came down on Tuesday, and had in advance agreed with an amateur student that she'd spend the night with me for 150$. Great value for money, she even offered to do the dishes before she went off for class Wednesday morning.

After some laid back time I had a party with a couple of girls from mamba on Thursday. Nothing to mention. Bit boring actually.

Friday I met the girl from Wednesday again for a sushi dinner, and we went back to my apartment for the night. Again exellent.

Before I go to dinner with the girl from Tuesday and Friday.

Rgs wisi[/QUOTE]Good report, Wisi. It sounds like you really like Miss Tuesday / Friday. How do you rate her face and body looks and her service on a scale of 1 to 10? I will be in Kiev on April 14 for the weekend. If you'd like to go to some clubs together, let me know.

LJ

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1143732]Good report, Wisi. It sounds like you really like Miss Tuesday / Friday. How do you rate her face and body looks and her service on a scale of 1 to 10? I will be in Kiev on April 14 for the weekend. If you'd like to go to some clubs together, let me know.

LJ[/QUOTE]It's just one of those times when you click 100% with a girl, so I won't even try to rate her. 24 yo. 175 cm and 58 kg with long auburn hair. That's just about how objective I can be.

We actually hit it off so well that she's coming right over after university, and although that means cancelling with the 20 year old tonight, but she's definitely worth it.

I'm going back to Norway on April 14, but returning to Kiev withing a week or two. I have plans of staying in Kiev for 3 months, so I need to find an apartment for long term rent before I go home.

Liljoey,

I am also up to only model types under the age of, say, 25. Over years I have had many of them that why settle with anything less?

But my experience or inexperience in Kiev so far tells me sadly that you pay for what you get. I have had girls for less than $100 but can't remember anyone too gorgeous.

There is one exception, but it was back in 2004! Other exceptions are some gorgeous girls at massage parlors, but sex is not included!

Gorgeous girls I've had in Kiev were always up for over $200 for a few hours. (That's still way better than in the US.)

And guess what. River Palace girls weren't cheap, either, at over $200 for a few hours.

I mean, if they are gorgeous, why would they charge less than $100?

The only way out to have gorgeous girls for less than $100 in Kiev that I came up with was to learn Russian and penetrate into the local market, even though I don't know much about local market at this time.

With all due respect to the experienced members of this august forum, I have to say the following: some may insist that they had gorgeous girls for less than $100, but when I see their photos, I don't agree that they are gorgeous.

I challenge them to show me gorgeous girls they had for less than $100 :) !

[QUOTE=Wisiwiw; 1143828]It's just one of those times when you click 100% with a girl, so I won't even try to rate her. 24 yo. 175 cm and 58 kg with long auburn hair. That's just about how objective I can be.

We actually hit it off so well that she's coming right over after university, and although that means cancelling with the 20 year old tonight, but she's definitely worth it.

I'm going back to Norway on April 14, but returning to Kiev withing a week or two. I have plans of staying in Kiev for 3 months, so I need to find an apartment for long term rent before I go home. [/QUOTE]What, what, what? You live in Norway and come to Ukraine for girls?

Please excuse me for saying this, but that's sad. IMHO, Norway has the most gorgeous girls in the world!

That said, why do I come to Ukraine instead of Norway? Well, I guess it's the same reason as yours.

Sorbonne,

I agree with your assessment that we should not expect a gorgeous girl for less than $100. Currently $100 per hour is the rate for gorgeous dancer quality girls at Rio strip club, the catch being that you must take a minimum of three hours for $300. I do remember that many hotties were available at the River Palace for $200 for two hours, which is a rate of $100 per hour also. There were also girls at the River Palace asking $300 for the same two hours ($150 per hour) , or even asking $400 for two hours ($200 per hour). I never went as high as $400 for two hours, but did have girls for $300 for two hours, which is $150 per hour, and too much to pay in Kiev, but sometimes the hour was late and no other options.

In today's environment I think it should be possible to get girls from clubs who are objectively gorgeous 9's and 10's for a rate of between $100 to $150 per hour, but you still will need to contend with a minimum number of hours of perhaps two hours, or three hours if at Rio strip club.

The question regarding gorgeous girls pictured on internet websites is complicated by fact that the websites agencies do not deliver the girl in the picture. What about the high end agencies asking 150 Euro or even 200 Euro per hour? Is there a higher chance of them delivering a truly gorgeous girl because of the higher price? I don't know the answer because I never tried them yet. I was happy enough with the $300 for three hours girls from Rio. Who knows, maybe I will try some higher priced agency just to see. Worst case scenario is if she's not really gorgeous, I would send her back.

I will be passing through London on April 13 on my way to Kiev and plan to see Gloria or possibly Amelia if she will agree to meet me after 8pm her ending time (both true supermodel 10's who I wrote about and gave their links in my first post). These girls' rates are 200 and 180 GBP respectively, way more expensive than Kiev prices. I have also found an agency asking 110 GBP (about $180) for what looks like real hotties which I might try also. That night in London will certainly take the edge off, and when I get to Kiev on April 14, I will be relaxed and take my time choosing amongst the hotties at Rio for that Thursday evening. That will be a good beginning for the weekend in Kiev.

LJ

[QUOTE=Sorbonne; 1143838]What, what, what? You live in Norway and come to Ukraine for girls?

Please excuse me for saying this, but that's sad. IMHO, Norway has the most gorgeous girls in the world!

That said, why do I come to Ukraine instead of Norway? Well, I guess it's the same reason as yours. [/QUOTE]Yeah, looking for new experiences. And always looking for a good bargain.

[QUOTE=Wisiwiw;1143865]Yeah, looking for new experiences. And always looking for a good bargain.[/QUOTE]I'd like to stick to Kiev because it seems to offer opportunities for 48 y. o. like me (even though I look like 38) to have relations with girls in early 20s. That's not really possible in Norway, is it? If it is, I'd go to Norway tomorrow :) .

Liljoey,

I read your very first post just now.

My hat off for your analytical and honest writing.

I seriously hope you continue to contribute to this forum for years to come!

As my 4th visit to Kiev, I spent 4 weeks there last summer, which may well have been the best summer in my life, and another week this February to catch up with my "friends" there. But I regret that I have never been to Rio or any strip clubs in Kiev.

Sorbonne, thanks for the encouraging words.

Rio is the only strip club I had been in that had a take out option. There are reports in recent postings about Solid Gold that it had take out, but pricing there may not be as good as at Rio. Rio's sister club was called Mandarin, which was on the river banks also had take out but was closed along with River Palace, but it is supposed to be reopened in town, hopefully soon. I don't know if any other strip clubs have take out. The Rhino clubs do not according to prior posts herein.

The strip club option for take out at a price of $300 for 3 hours only rose to prominence as an option, once the River Palace met its demise. At River Palace one could negotiate for 2 hours for $200 or even less depending on the time of night and the girl. So in those days the River Palace was the more economical option and the girls looked pretty good there. Both River Palace and Rio or Mandarin strip clubs had the girls all right there within reach and easily available, with none of the difficulties of chasing WG's. In regular nightclubs.

Now with the River Palace gone, Rio strip club has become an interesting option for high end girls, which you should try because you like the very good looking hotties.

LJ