Makati

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2860271]Matt: You don't yet have PM capability.[/QUOTE]Thank you! I did not know but now I realized. .

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2860342]Yes. I thought Matt might be talking about Club Royal, about 3 blocks from Burgos. Those are freelancers (and attractive), but one might not be able to distinguish between the FL and regular girls. Same goes for Club ZZYZX disco in Malate (upscale clientelle). Getting slapped by some young cutie not in the biz (or facing her boyfriend who was across the room) t'ain't pleasant, and hence is not a good thought for Matt's point / shoot needs.

Matt it would be great if you could tell us the layout of the Hi-end bar, or of the type of girls there (are they all pro's)? Or the location? Short of that we are back to escort services, or Burgos bars.[/QUOTE]Thank you again WestCoast1, really I appreciate. The place I was probably was named LE Salon? Is possible? Like underground? I have memories of stairs! Could be? Was very close walking distance from Makati Greenbelt, I am sure about it. Again thank you for your help!! In the past I was also visiting EDSA Cotton Club, that I think now is closed, Kremlin, Pharons, and others I forgot the name.

For the guys that live in Philippines full time, do you start to gravitate towards getting a non hooker girlfriend, or is it just not worth the drama and you stick with p4 p most of the time.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2860678]Am with Goferring on this. High-end malls like GB are not for hitting on employees directly. Its Louis Vuitton and Dior...[/QUOTE]Remember that any Tondo waif can get a job selling phone cases in the local mall and would be happy for some overtime sucking dick. However, the Dior sales girl needs to be comfortable around, and talking with, the monied class. For that reason, she's likely from a respectable family, in the process of getting a good education and certainly able to make a call to an influential uncle who can cause a lot of pain for a horny monger. I don't know what the commission is on a $10,000 purse but it would make a paid suckie fuckie unlikely.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2860864]Remember that any Tondo waif can get a job selling phone cases in the local mall and would be happy for some overtime sucking dick. \
Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]From what I understand even selling phone cases in a mall requires a degree in the Philippines. That doesn't mean she won't suck dick on the side though, it just may take a bit more wooing.

Seems like we have a few newbies flying in soon from chatter below so done a map update. Highlights:

- Coyote Ribs and BBQ is now a building site.

- Halims is now a building site.

- Lions Pride replaced by newly refurbished Oculto. Not been in it yet, was too loud from outside to consider going in.

- Changed classification of Lips (downstairs) and Neon Nights to bars. Although P4 P is there, they are not strictly gogos.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2860874]From what I understand even selling phone cases in a mall requires a degree in the Philippines. That doesn't mean she won't suck dick on the side though, it just may take a bit more wooing.[/QUOTE]Aaah, the good old Philippines degree. While there are several good universities offering real degrees, there are also many paper mills.

I was at a bar-resto in Malapascua once chatting to a girl who proudly said she had just completed her 3 year tourism management degree. She was doing the final work experience phase, unpaid of course, and had just been promoted to folding the napkins.

To be honest that was probably the upper limit of her abilities anyway.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2860952]Aaah, the good old Philippines degree. While there are several good universities offering real degrees, there are also many paper mills.

I was at a bar-resto in Malapascua once chatting to a girl who proudly said she had just completed her 3 year tourism management degree. She was doing the final work experience phase, unpaid of course, and had just been promoted to folding the napkins.

To be honest that was probably the upper limit of her abilities anyway.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]My view of an educated woman is one who accepts my offer to come up to my room for a cup of coffee. Once they are in my hotel room, I have never had one walk away.

I do not know of the dangers of wooing an educated salesperson at Gucci, but I would never crassly hand a saleswoman my phone number and whisper her a price. I always talk to them and flirt a little. If they are potentially interested, I politely invite them to get together later. My modus operandi used to be to hand them my contact info written neatly on a piece of paper and to give them my first name. I haven't tried this since before the pandemic, so I guess that now I would ask them to call me right then and there using WhatsApp, thus capturing the contact on my phone. In the past, if they contact me after work (never a certainty), I invited them to a drink either near my hotel or in my room, depending on the vibe. I am always super polite, no matter the level of the woman's education. Even the girls who see you as a walking ATM like to feel that they are getting respect.

When I last tried to pick up a girl at Greenbelt, I got nowhere in the initial stages of my interactions with a handful of women (and then I gave up). I would never have simply handed them my contact information. I was not worried about being assaulted by Uncle Mallari (apparently I should have been! But it would have been pointless.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2855775]One Club (next door and downstairs to O'Reilly's). Did not bother getting data. Walked in on two nights and was fairly repulsed by the talent. At least half were chubs. Emergency egressed. As I have mild standards, it takes a LOT to make me turn and walk out after viewing the talent for just 10 seconds.

Caveat: Just like in AC, things change regularly in each bar. Girls come and go. Mamas change bars (taking their girls with them). You walk into a bar on Wednesday and are surrounded by 8 gals and a mama. You walk into the same bar Friday night and none of the 8 (and the mama) are working. There are about the same number of girls working both nights. Did the bar replace 1/3 of its girls in 48 hours?

Spending 30 minutes to several hours in this or that bar, never saw anyone barfine a girl. In fact, I saw relatively few paying customers, and whales were over-represented. That's muh Burgos info, and I'm sticking to it.[/QUOTE]Went into One Club last night, I was actually impressed. Layout of place was good, about 20 girls in, played great music, including Nirvana, which I haven't heard in bar in a long time. One of better mamasans from Maison is there too. Understand from speaking to Maison girl that they are switching staff over venues. Will add this to roster of bars to visit. *.

I guess the caveat has complete relevance to demonstrate how people's experiences can differ.

[QUOTE=Muttley81;2862038]Went into One Club last night, I was actually impressed. Layout of place was good, about 20 girls in, played great music, including Nirvana, which I haven't heard in bar in a long time. One of better mamasans from Maison is there too. Understand from speaking to Maison girl that they are switching staff over venues. Will add this to roster of bars to visit. *.

I guess the caveat has complete relevance to demonstrate how people's experiences can differ.[/QUOTE]Caveat-caveat: My time at One Club was just over a month ago. Things change. By chance did you go in next door at O'Reilly's upstairs? If so what were your thoughts?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2862057]Caveat-caveat: My time at One Club was just over a month ago. Things change. By chance did you go in next door at O'Reilly's upstairs? If so what were your thoughts?[/QUOTE]I've been in O'Reilly's a few times, it's is pretty awful I'm my opinion. I think its biggest problem is it doesn't know what it wants to be so they've done a half assed job between being a normal pub and one that provides girls. They'd have been better focusing on being one type of place. Girls are all on wrong side of 30, and fully clothed, but crowd round your table like it's a gogo hassling for LDs. I doubt I'll go back unless desperate. More places are open now that I enjoy going to, while we're not at pre-pandemic bar levels things are looking up.

[QUOTE=Muttley81;2862068]I've been in O'Reilly's a few times, it's is pretty awful I'm my opinion. SNIP Girls are all on wrong side of 30, and fully clothed, but crowd round your table like it's a gogo hassling for LDs. I doubt I'll go back unless desperate. [/QUOTE]Thanks. That's in line with my visit.

You fellas deserve another pic (s). This 10-year regular never tipped the scales above 34 kg. Easily a dozen times I plugged her and then took her to a bar for live band or out to a nice resto. She thanked my brains out. Get out there. Or in there.

Going to stay in Coro hotel, hopefully that's decent and girl friendly. Will report back.

My friends like to use massage girls that come to your room, and book online. Don't see it discussed. Anything to watch out for.

I was leaning toward manilla courtesans myself, but I see nuru massage, discrete massage, etc. Look tempting but who can say.

[QUOTE=DenverDtcGuy;2862227]Going to stay in Coro hotel, hopefully that's decent and girl friendly. Will report back.

My friends like to use massage girls that come to your room, and book online. Don't see it discussed. Anything to watch out for.

I was leaning toward manilla courtesans myself, but I see nuru massage, discrete massage, etc. Look tempting but who can say.[/QUOTE]Don't use nuru or discreet massage. They are a ripoff. Manila Courtesans is ok but not always available. Also I have noticed some girls wipe out flaws and blemishes. Better to use Smooci Manila.

I went out on Burgos last night and was surprised at Maison for them to tell me they were closing at 12, last drink orders were around 11:30. Evidently there is a liquor ban in place because of the elections happening over the next couple of days and the Makati mayor has decided to extend it to 4 days over the forthcoming all saints holiday. Bizarrely, the rules of the liquor ban state that foreign tourists are exempt, which translates into some places closing early and some basically ignoring the rules. After Maison I went to Lips and told a regular from Maison to meet me there. She was told she could not come inside but I went down to escort her in and security relented. I bought a couple of drinks "just for me" at the bar and told her to relax but she seemed fairly nervous about it. The rest of the place was pumping, no idea how this kind of thing can even be remotely enforced. As with many things in the Phils, regulations seem to be put in place simply to be ignored or challenge you to flout them.

In terms of a report, had a great time with my regular as usual, she is expensive (if no barfine, 8,000 PHP) but worth it IMHO. Fantastic ass and cute face, though she just got braces (why do they seem to always feel the need for that even when unnecessary? Methinks there might be a scam going on for the girls working at the bars.) Anyway I digress, best tip I can offer is that she introduced me to the best short time hotel I have come across, not the main Sogo but an annex next to it which seems to be operated by the same people but is essentially a residence, with much nicer rooms and better "amenities" (I. E. Towels, soap etc.) It's literally next door and a much better option if you don't mind paying 2,000 PHP for a full night stay.

Anyway, just a friendly note to all that some places will likely be closing earlier or not that friendly to guests over the next 3-4 days, but you'll still find options.