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[QUOTE=Breadman;2022150]Some people don't use the word 'own' correctly. You don't 'own' it if the title is being held by a bank.[/QUOTE]Maybe yes, maybe no. I did look up Dietzenbach real estate listings and a very good apartment / condo is priced at 127 K € to own. A good house is about 300 k € but one can imagine how many dicks she'd have to have in her to buy that! LOL!
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2022145]I don't doubt that sex trade accounts for a significant percent of Thai economy, whether that is 5% or 10% or whatever. So, they know where their bread is buttered and tolerant of it, especially as it provides employment for many families. But tolerance is not celebration. And even in Thailand, I see from time to time, some politician or other making noises about cleaning up Pattaya and sex trade etc. And for sure, they are not making national policy decisions driven by the goal of "how can we become even bigger or stay at the top of global sex trade rankings".
In any case, even if that was remotely true in the case of a developing small nation like Thailand, it is downright silly to suggest something like that could ever happen in a progressive western developed democracy like Germany, the largest economy in EU. In my view, German policies on prostitution are probably driven by their notions of fundamental freedoms and what's allowable in their constitution and not with the goal of improving their economy through more sex trade and with the hope that more mongers will come from abroad.
ST is a sensible member and I am sure he meant his remarks tongue in cheek. I don't read too much into his comment literally. Now, the other guy OTOH.[/QUOTE]Well sex tourism only occur because countries are in need of more money, EG: Thailand, Philippines, Brazil and also even Germany to support all the immigration and crazy expenses LOL.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2022094]You can sing it at an FKK and know you're not just dreaming hahaha!
[URL]https://vimeo.com/25886180[/URL]
Maybe Pistons will like it better than NIN and Manson too LOL![/QUOTE]Haha. Good one Mr cane LOL.
Enrique is usually crying or dying in music videos, so it is good for a change LOL.
In FKK, it usually is EDM music, which is kinda cool, but not for sex. I even prefer some trance music over EDM in FKK and in FKK only.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2022158]Automechanica messe claims an attendance of 130,000+. How many attend clubs in that week? But if you think it is the clubs driving the messe, I won't stop your illusion. Plenty of people believe in wag the dog theories.[/QUOTE]Surely everyone eats at the same table at McDonalds also. I was talking about the liberal policies. But if you think Germany is only FKK clubs, sure. Or if you think 100% of the attendance of the messe has to go clubbing every time in order for it to shift the scale on two equal options, then sure. Or you can add up messe crowds throughout 10 years and then look at the numbers. I don't know if you have heard about examples before. Business people travel outside of messe dates too.
Your 130 000+ automech attendance is a lot of locals (other Germans), women, tourists, etc also. Which leaves your target audience in this context perhaps as low as 10-15 000. How many people at last years automech messe in frankfurt visited FKK's throughout the messe period? 5 000? That is still a hefty percentage if you ask me... and don't forget momentum year on year for these messe events. It is not the absolute numbers that matters. But perhaps more the effects it has on momentum. Liberal politics is also not only a prostitution thing. But prostitution is surely one part of it. And even more so among asians than westerners.
Yes, naturally I have never been to MCD, so I think they all sit at one table.
Automechanica has 52 K Germans, 80 K from abroad. With Google these days, don't need to "think".
Did locals stop visiting clubs during that week altogether? Every club visitor must be a foreigner, eh? Mauro should be so proud.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2022214]Automechanica has 52 K Germans, 80 K from abroad. With Google these days, don't need to "think".[/QUOTE]Does your google also tell you how many of these 80 000 were men? How many were females? How many were tourists that just dropped by?
Your last paragraph just tells me you missed the context of our little discussion here.
Less McD wouldnt hurt by the way. I would be proud of myself if I had been clueless regarding McD eating habits. Last I went to a McD was unfortunately in Germany though, ☺
(5000 international FKK visitors. I am sure that FKK's in Hessen has a lot more visitors than that if you include local Germans)
It was you who suggested prostitution influences German policy makers because its economically important, Pistons. You cited messe as an example. Now, you seem to be downplaying that side. Whatever. If you have some numbers and links to support your claim, you should cite. We all have Google, no? Good night.
Not downplaying anything. FKKs are just one table at the liberal McD that is Germany. But feel free to send us a letter from North Korea too. Now this is getting too drawn out. Good night!
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2022219]It was you who suggested prostitution influences German policy makers because its economically important, Pistons. You cited messe as an example. Now, you seem to be downplaying that side. Whatever. If you have some numbers and links to support your claim, you should cite. We all have Google, no? Good night.[/QUOTE]Of course it does, policy makers go to FKK too especially in Berlin.
[QUOTE=WanderingGroo;2022142]When I was in Dietzenbach relaxing in the back where some of the girls use their iPhones, one girl (who doesn't have that many clients) shows me pictures of her house and pets. She says she owns a house in the town and I thought to myself, "Really? How can someone who probably makes 240 to 300 (assuming she has like 8 to 10 clients) on a good day, minus entry and / or other expenses, own a house in town? I'm sure real estate must be way cheaper than New York or Los Angeles![/QUOTE]You don't really ask that question, do you? A house or an apartment in Romania (not Bucarest) costs as much as a decent German car in LA.
HB.
There seems to be a messe going on the middle of may, my normal hotel was sold out. Luckily I found another cheap one just down the road. What messe is it and will it bring crowds to the clubs?
[QUOTE=HessenBub;2022280]You don't really ask that question, do you? A house or an apartment in Romania (not Bucarest) costs as much as a decent German car in LA.
HB.[/QUOTE]Well, when it comes to keeping up a good friendship with some of the girls, I don't want to ask too many questions without looking skeptical. I figured I could research the rest later or compare notes with this group (some things like real estate and such)!
I did manage to become FB friends with some of them on this trip but their FB names are probably fake like their "stage name" as well (whether they are real or fake, it doesn't matter because I'm not one of those obsessed people who cyber-stalk other people). Still nice to see their hand picked photo life outside the clubs!
[QUOTE=Breadman;2022298]There seems to be a messe going on the middle of may, my normal hotel was sold out. Luckily I found another cheap one just down the road. What messe is it and will it bring crowds to the clubs?[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.messefrankfurt.com/content/dam/corporate/messe/publikationen/Kal_A4_FFM_2017_E_web_final.pdf[/URL]
China remains politically Communist but is economically capitalist.
[QUOTE=CitizenKane;2022332][URL]http://www.messefrankfurt.com/content/dam/corporate/messe/publikationen/Kal_A4_FFM_2017_E_web_final.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]Says imex and babywelt. Will those impact the clubs?