Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2944903]I'm not overpaying. I'm paying market rate, or close to it. And almost always, I get what I pay for, at least looks wise. Sure, performance may vary, but it is a different story. Any girl that gets 600 k consistently, won't accept 150 k, period. Good luck negotiating with her. She just going to laugh at your offer and consider you a cheap charlie. I have said it gazillion times, we fuck different girls, not the same girls. If you really could get the girls I'm paying 600 k to for 150 k, I would eat my hat and apologize, and I would publicly admit that you are the best negotiator on ISG. But this is never going to happen, because again, we fuck different girls that happen to be in different price brackets.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. There are guys who believe that the girls are all the same and they will all accept a certain rate if you are savvy and a great negotiator but I don't believe this to be generally true based on my own personal experiences. I think everyone will agree with this statement. Each girl is unique and they are not all the same and will not act the same. Every girl has a different belief on your worth and how much she should get paid to go with you. Girls who believe that they are worth 600 k and get that price constantly will generally not accept 150 k or 200 k. I have personally experienced that time and time again. Now if she has not gotten that price for a while and needs to pay the rent, she may reconsider what she can get and drop her price but that's not a girl who constantly gets that price. It may just be that she has dropped in value and she is no longer the type of girl who demands that price. It happens and a girl needs to adjust to her new reality.

Girls who hang out in El Centro for 50 mil are generally not the type of girls who can command top dollar in Parque Lleras. Now she may get lucky from time to time but it's not happening every night.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2944772]The justifications and explanations for what we pay are endless and in some cases very creative. ....[/QUOTE]It's sharing the opportunities that I saw for someone who may come across similar situation and be able to take advantage of it. Whoever read it, should read others' posts to see different opportunities and take advantage of those observations.

If one follows my latest Lleras post, I gave in and offered 400, but she started to limit service. I said I am not interested. Eventually the price dropped to 200 mil and basically without limit as far as I am concerned. One reason is because I have a strong hand so I called her bluff by accident in a manner of speaking. I did not realize that until the end. How can one explain a service that goes from all covered for 150 USD to 200 mil without restriction. That is why I am saying you can be nice but you have to be strict. That is the language they can understand clearly.

I am someone that the girls can easily take advantage of. I have not changed my approach but I adjusted it based on my personality. There is a girl who stole from me twice. LOL. I got thru her eventually, and I was able to use that to help me get what I want. I would not suggest anyone to do it because you may not have the same personality shortcomings in this context, and you will have your own way to deal with this better.

As for all the price debate going on. The car analogy actually is a good one but the explanation was wrong. The explanation should be based on economic or circumstances but people just don't know how.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2944911]It's sharing the opportunities that I saw for someone who may come across similar situation and be able to take advantage of it. Whoever read it, should read others' posts to see different opportunities and take advantage of those observations.

If one follows my latest Lleras post, I gave in and offered 400, but she started to limit service. I said I am not interested. Eventually the price dropped to 200 mil and basically without limit as far as I am concerned. One reason is because I have a strong hand so I called her bluff by accident in a manner of speaking. I did not realize that until the end. How can one explain a service that goes from all covered for 150 USD to 200 mil without restriction. That is why I am saying you can be nice but you have to be strict. That is the language they can understand clearly.

I am someone that the girls can easily take advantage of. I have not changed my approach but I adjusted it based on my personality. There is a girl who stole from me twice. LOL. I got thru her eventually, and I was able to use that to help me get what I want. I would not suggest anyone to do it because you may not have the same personality shortcomings in this context, and you will have your own way to deal with this better.

As for all the price debate going on. The car analogy actually is a good one but the explanation was wrong. The explanation should be based on economic or circumstances but people just don't know how.[/QUOTE]Street hookers are literally the bottom of the barrel. Her initial ask was a joke. Over 600 k cop for a lleras girl and all covered service? Come on. You got your price only because you knew her asking rate was unrealistic to begin with. If the going rate at Lleras was indeed around 600 k, you would have zero chance of getting her for 200 mil.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2944913]Street hookers are literally the bottom of the barrel. Her initial ask was a joke. Over 600 k cop for a lleras girl and all covered service? Come on. You got your price only because you knew her asking rate was unrealistic to begin with. If the going rate at Lleras was indeed around 600 k, you would have zero chance of getting her for 200 mil.[/QUOTE]You are missing the points entirely.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2944558]A valuable observation from an outsider. The real Medellin Morons (to borrow the phrase from the high and almighty Elvis) are those guys paying 400 k 500 k 600 k pesos and higher in places like parque lleras, loutron, gustos, etc.[/QUOTE]I am going to translate things to dollars so everyone can see what a paltry amount of money we are talking about. Yes, you can get laid in the FKKs for $55 or so. In Colombia, you have a much wider variety. There are clubs you can get laid in for as little as $10 or $15. The highest end places will charge you up to $150.

What the Medellin morons are saying is that they often see the same women in the cheaper and more expensive clubs. What bugs me is how do you know what is at the more expensive places unless you are going? And when you are going, you are telling me you do not partake? Please.

Guys typically go to the higher end clubs to save time. It is usually going to take a lot longer to find an attractive woman in a lower end club than a higher end one.

Thing is the Colombian government is cracking down on guys coming in and banging dozens of women on the cheap. Right now, it is just lip service in Cartagena and Bogota but Medellin, maybe because it has been overrun by foreigners, is legitimately cracking down.

And I do not know if you live in Europe but if you do, the amount you are going to save on women in Colombia versus the FKKs is probably going to be swallowed up on air and hotel costs.

As far as why I kept returning to Colombia, this is the reason.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2944459]I have two stunningly beautiful girls here in Manizales on monthly "allowance" for one million a month and they have to see me a minimum of three times a month for at least three hours and they are more than grateful and treat me like a king, we go out dancing and partying or they cook for me at my place and we put on music and have a good time eventually leading to the bedroom. For me it's not just about sex, I prefer a true GFE experience.[/QUOTE]I suspect Manizales is putting in the minimum three hours and three times a month to satisfy the monger crowd because I never had to specify a minimum time period with a Colombian woman who liked me. My guess is he does not have to either.

Thing is when you have an 8 to 10 type who is great in bed and is with you because she wants to be versus for money, the amount you are giving her feels more like a gift than an obligation. I think one of the things guys do not get is that even "legitimate" relationships are men looking for sex and women going for money.

To me, this is the big reason to come to Colombia: to find an 8 to 10 type, who is amazing in bed, loves spending time with you, and sucks your dick because she wants to and not for $. If you want to do the financial calculus on this, $1000 buys you this kind of woman for one hour in New York City versus months in Colombia.

Thing that is so annoying is hearing the Medellin morons comparing their $10 purchases to yours These guys think other guys do not you can get laid for $10. Well, yes, I do happen to know what I can get for $10. If you think bargaining women down from $20 to $10 or $15 makes you some kind of stud, have at it. If you want to compare what you are fucking to what I am, well you can go fuck yourself.

I am not sure of your situation, but the way I could justify travelling to Colombia is if I could get this kind of 8-10 mistress in Colombia for $250 to $500 a month versus what $3000 in Europe? The other reason to come is just the novelty of seeing it. In the USA, we do not have that $55 or 50 Euro option you do, and that is part of the reason Colombia is so popular.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2944903]I have said it gazillion times, we fuck different girls, not the same girls.[/QUOTE]In you mind, are you. [b]1[/b]. paying hooker for sex, [b]2[/b], paying non-hooker for sex. Which is your answer 1 or 2? They both can exist in my book or at least I think I can understand the concept.

There are three girls with the same score, they all tell you the same questionable story that you can't verify. The only thing that is 100% is the following:

Girl A [b]does not have passport[/b], cost 200 . Girl B has a passport but she was [b]denied US Visa[/b], cost 400, Girl C has a passport and [b]has a valid US Visa and has been to US[/b], cost 600.

Same question as above except they all cost the same

Which girl would you choose?

I am not trying to trick you. It helps to focus discussion. I provided you this example to show my card, the girl that stayed for 5 hours with me last night has been to US with a US Visa. Our sex has no limit which means she won't say no to anything I asked. When I becomes soft, it does not mean stop. When we have intercourse, it does not mean leche. What many of us focus on is the outcome. Your focus or your priority is the other way around. You don't have to show photos, but you can share the service you got so we can learn from each other and some may go your route if there is something interesting.

A comment about service quality and Elvis. I think he is getting the best like he said but he is only able to get one to do it and he is not able to describe it well enough so others can understand it which maybe a little frustrating. I will just say I want to get what Elvis has if it is as good as I have imagined. hehe.

This endless debate about getting expensive girls cheaper if you are smart has been debated for years with no resolution and it will never be resolved. Is there any point to it? I don't think so but I guess it is entertaining in some way.

Now I am in Medellin and I can tell you that I don't spend very much time worrying about whether the next guy is paying less than me for the exact same girl. I can have a good time and other guys can have a good time and what he's paying and who he's seeing is really irrelevant to me.

Now I mentioned this before, that I've met a number of ISG members on this trip and we never debate about prices we paid or who is seeing better girls. We just see the girls we want for the prices we want to pay and we're having a good time.

We did share pictures of the girls that we have seen and I can see that we all have different taste and every guy is seeing the girl that he wants to see. I prefer to see the girls that I see and they prefer to see the girls that they see. I think it's good that everyone has different taste so we are not all chasing the same girls.

I can also see that everybody has different opinion of what a 10 is and that's also a good thing.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2944937]In you mind, are you. [b]1[/b]. paying hooker for sex, [b]2[/b], paying non-hooker for sex. Which is your answer 1 or 2? They both can exist in my book or at least I think I can understand the concept.

There are three girls with the same score, they all tell you the same questionable story that you can't verify. The only thing that is 100% is the following:

Girl A [b]does not have passport[/b], cost 200 . Girl B has a passport but she was [b]denied US Visa[/b], cost 400, Girl C has a passport and [b]has a valid US Visa and has been to US[/b], cost 600.

Same question as above except they all cost the same

Which girl would you choose?

I am not trying to trick you. It helps to focus discussion. I provided you this example to show my card, the girl that stayed for 5 hours with me last night has been to US with a US Visa. Our sex has no limit which means she won't say no to anything I asked. When I becomes soft, it does not mean stop. When we have intercourse, it does not mean leche. What many of us focus on is the outcome. Your focus or your priority is the other way around. You don't have to show photos, but you can share the service you got so we can learn from each other and some may go your route if there is something interesting.

About Elvis. I think he is getting the best like he said but he is only able to get one to do it and he is not able to describe it well enough so others can understand it which maybe a little frustrating. I will just say I want to get what Elvis have if it is as good as I have imagined. hehe.[/QUOTE]What does her passport or US visa have to do with anything that I said? I don't care if she has one, unless I'm planning on traveling abroad with her or bringing her to the States. (the latter is not happening). Therefore, I place no value on her having a passport or US visa and I'm certainly not paying premium if she has one. Its like saying, girl A has a cat, girl be loves noodles, and girl see plays piano, and they charge 200,400 and 600 respectively, which one would you choose? The more I read your posts, the more confusing it gets. And you always ask some weird questions. You got to learn how to get your message across effectively.

Share the service I got? What do you mean? My goal is to get GFE all around. I think we all know what GFE is, no need to go into details. More often that not I do get GFE, but I got to say that it was much easier to get GFE a few years ago than nowadays.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2944962]My goal is to get GFE all around. [b]I think we all know what GFE is[/b], no need to go into details. More often that not I do get GFE, but I got to say that it was much easier to get GFE a few years ago than nowadays.[/QUOTE]Actually we all don't. Reading this board, you can see that just like beauty, GFE means different things for different people. For some people GFE is if the girl will allow him to kiss her. For others it is if the girl will have a meal together. For others it is if the girl will stay the night.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2944895]You simply don't know what you are talking about. Where do you think these 400 k-600 k girls that you deem to be beautiful come from? You think they just got plucked from a tree? The reason you are misguided is because you are a visitor to Medellin. You seek out girls you deem to be beautiful even at high price points. Great! But where are you finding these girls? Seeking, Instagram, FaceBook maybe some higher end night spots like Loutron. So now let's put on our thinking cap (you do have a thinking cap?) The girls you are paying those rates meet your standard of beauty but you are finding them because they are marketing themselves to foreigners like you. They post on Instagram and Seeking or are listed with foreign friendly agencies so that you and people like you can find them. You may not believe this but some of those girls know nothing about social media. Their brother or aunt is posting their pictures and arranging their dates with foreigners like you. (Not all, of course, but more than you would think).

You seem to think these are unique special girls. Gabacho is telling you something you don't want to hear. Many of those girls grew up and live in the barrios. They learned to dress themselves, and market themselves. For every one of those there are 100 that don't do that. It doesn't mean they can be attained but you would have to do the work to get there. You would have to meet them near where they live. You would have to be able to initiate and conduct a conversation and perhaps arrange a meeting at a restaurant or coffee shop. At some point you might get an opportunity. Some girls grow up in religious households. Selling herself is considered the lowest thing a girl / woman can do. Hence she doesn't advertise herself and to you she is invisible. But if you establish a friendship, you can have a sexual relationship (beneficios mutuos) that is relatively cheap and the girl can easily be as beautiful as any you've met. Of course the drawback is that she may be less experienced.

Going back to the central point. You do you. But when you claim that you and only you are meeting the most beautiful women because you are willing to pay more. I live here. I have an ample budget and I've been with some of the highest end girls that you talk about. But I've also been with girls from the barrios or pueblos that are stunning girls but they don't promote themselves and so you never would meet them.[/QUOTE]Let's assume for a second that everything you said is true and there is indeed a competitive advantage that allows someone living there full time to find them gems and pay them very little. Don't you think that it is not fair to compete with short term visitors / tourists who don't have all the time in the world to find diamonds in the rough you were talking about and then nurture those contacts? It's like running a marathon and competing against a person in a wheelchair. The vast majority of members here are tourists / visitors. Gabacho and his team members attack them aggressively, call them fools for overpaying, etc. Do you think they have the right to do so? I yet have to see at least one hot girl that can be had for 150 k. All I have seen so far is a bunch of uglies or average (at best) looking chicks. Also, I disagree with your 1 to 100 ratio. Those barrio girls don't live in isolation, they all have social media accounts and they all know how to use them. Any hot girl quickly learns how to market and promote herself if selling pussy is what she wants to do. And I never claimed to be the only person meeting the hottest chicks because I'm paying them more. I have a bunch of friends who roll similarly, pay the same rates +/- for the same quality and the majority of them are happy with what they get.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2944965]Actually we all don't. Reading this board, you can see that just like beauty, GFE means different things for different people. For some people GFE is if the girl will allow him to kiss her. For others it is if the girl will have a meal together. For others it is if the girl will stay the night.[/QUOTE]Mr. Enternational, the post I quoted that you wrote is a drop the bat and watch walk off home run. It is a 95 yard kick off return for a touchdown. It is a flip upside down [B]Pele[/B] style kick for a goal. [B]Yeah, brother it was that good![/B].

Some simply will not accept that we are all individuals and we all have our individual preferences. Just because someone is willing to call me cheap and say I go with ugly prostitutes does not make a true. The same words have been used against me in the [I]Thailand threads[/I].

What is up with the individuals who claim they are better than others because they pay more for their prostitutes. Why do they have so much of their ego tied up into the amount they pay for their prostitutes. I am a friend of [B]Gabacho[/B] I have see pictures of the girls he has gone with in [I]Pattaya, Thailand[/I] and [I]Medellin Colombia[/I]. [B]They are NOT ugly![/B]. And no mount of shouting from the tree tops is going to make them so just because he is not paying astronomical figures for the prostitutes he hires. Add to this that the individuals making these claims have never see pictures of the prostitutes I hire ever!

It bruises the egos of some to know they cannot do what others do. I do not know why the cannot be happy with what they can do and what they get. Personally I do not care what a man does with is hard earned money or who they fucked.

But when individuals say that something cannot be done they are only revealing their own inadequacies. Furthermore they are making a serious man accusation that someone is lying on their dick. [B]Dem fighting words where I come from[/B]. But luckily this is the internet and we are all just keyboard warriors here. I'll leave you with the words of [B]PitBull[/B].

[I]For those who didn't believe in the kid; y'all might as well be dead; Because what y'all thought couldn't be done, I did![/I] - Dammit Man, [B]PitBull[/B].

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2945009]Let's assume for a second that everything you said is true and there is indeed a competitive advantage that allows someone living there full time to find them gems and pay them very little. Don't you think that it is not fair to compete with short term visitors / tourists who don't have all the time in the world to find diamonds in the rough you were talking about and then nurture those contacts? It's like running a marathon and competing against a person in a wheelchair. The vast majority of members here are tourists / visitors. Gabacho and his team members attack them aggressively, call them fools for overpaying, etc. Do you think they have the right to do so? I yet have to see at least one hot girl that can be had for 150 k. All I have seen so far is a bunch of uglies or average (at best) looking chicks. Also, I disagree with your 1 to 100 ratio. Those barrio girls don't live in isolation, they all have social media accounts and they all know how to use them. Any hot girl quickly learns how to market and promote herself if selling pussy is what she wants to do. And I never claimed to be the only person meeting the hottest chicks because I'm paying them more. I have a bunch of friends who roll similarly, pay the same rates +/- for the same quality and the majority of them are happy with what they get.[/QUOTE]I have seen few casa girls, where they go for 130 for an hour at least in new life, in PL very often and they are demanding 300-400 mil. Same girls I see them on facebook, tinder etc. I think they have set price for each place.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2945009][B]Gabacho and his team members attack them aggressively, call them fools for overpaying, etc. Do you think they have the right to do so?[/B][/QUOTE]I don't think Gabacho or "his team members" are attacking you for overpaying. It is your money you can do what you want with it. But when you [B]claim[/B] that you are bedding the most beautiful women and everyone else is picking up the street walkers and hand-me-downs, well after laughing at the ignorance of it, they probably had a few terse words for you.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2945009]I yet have to see at least one hot girl that can be had for 150 k. All I have seen so far is a bunch of uglies or average (at best) looking chicks.[/QUOTE]And why is that? You like to believe it is because your standards are higher than everyone elses. But you fail to grasp the reasons. You are a visitor here. You don't have time to visit the barrios and various pueblos to see what life is like there. You don't have time to see all the sights, and sample all the bounty that is Colombia. If you lived here and had the time you would meet women who would topple whatever standards you think you have. You might need to speak the language to really make your explorations enjoyable.

And contrary to some of your other misconceptions, Latin American girls are not the same as American girls. They don't only go on dates with men that are in their 20's or 30's. Sure an obese pig of an American in his 60's probably doesn't get dates unless there is a payment involved. But 50's or 60's in good shape, speaks the language, has world experience and you could have a date every night of the week. It is a different culture than you are used to. I think that is the concept that Gabacho is trying to explain to you.

Again, no one cares that you have your own methodology and you enjoy it. Good for you.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2945009]Also, I disagree with your 1 to 100 ratio. Those barrio girls don't live in isolation, they all have social media accounts and they all know how to use them. Any hot girl quickly learns how to market and promote herself if selling pussy is what she wants to do.[/QUOTE][B]And your opinion is based on what? ..all the time you have spent in the barrios and pueblos outside of Poblado?[/B] Again one of your biggest problems is that you equate the customs and habits of Colombian girls with those of American girls. Their worlds are as different as the language they speak.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2945009][b]Gabacho[/b] and his team members attack them aggressively, call them fools for overpaying, etc.[/QUOTE]You have not seen every girl that [B]Gabacho[/B] has been with. In Colombia or Thailand. Yet you made the following statement:

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2943765]Your friend Gabacho has posted his girls, and also has posted some trip reports (disgusting at times) and it is obvious what the quality of his girls is. The fact that you don't find his girls ugly indicates that your standards are just as low as his. No surprise here, 2 tricks who roll similarly will almost always agree on everything and will rate hoes the same.[/QUOTE]Here is the fact, you don't post pictures of your girls. So as far as I am concerned: [B]You are lying on your dick[/B]. Why? Because I have not seen a single post other than from you that make the claims that you make.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2945009]And I never claimed to be the only person meeting the hottest chicks because I'm paying them more.[/QUOTE]No, your clown car driver Elvis makes the same claim.

Now can both of you stop talking out the side of your neck about things you cannot prove. It is your opinions. I think that you are [B]PABMF[/B]. But that is my opinion. I feel sorry for [B]International Tricks[/B] such as yourself that tie your ego and self worth up in the attractiveness of the prostitutes your hire.

Below is the post from a man I never met. But I am telling you that each and every time he posted about a venue in the Dominican Republic I followed up on it. And his report was spot on. Read his words [B]MiamiBoy[/B] Learn something!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2944772][b]The justifications and explanations for what we pay are endless and in some cases very creative[/b]. There is always a subjective element. For a random example, for some the right to eat a girl's ass is worth any price requested while for other's it's worth less than nothing because they would not do it if paid. Some guys value facial appearance above all and permission to photograph themselves with the woman. I've witnessed this first hand when a guy in Sao Paulo showed me a picture of himself with an agency girl. He told me he paid double the asking price so she would allow the photo. Just because it's something some would not do does not make it wrong for anyone else.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2944962]What does her passport or US visa have to do with anything that I said? I don't care if she has one, unless I'm planning on traveling abroad with her or bringing her to the States. (the latter is not happening). Therefore, I place no value on her having a passport or US visa and I'm certainly not paying premium if she has one. Its like saying, girl A has a cat, girl be loves noodles, and girl see plays piano, and they charge 200,400 and 600 respectively, which one would you choose? The more I read your posts, the more confusing it gets. And you always ask some weird questions. You got to learn how to get your message across effectively.[/QUOTE]Exactly, the question is based on your postings. Didn't you post that you verify their school, work and background info by photos rigidly? I got the impression that you want to date girls that have higher social status. US visa is difficult for young Colombian females to get in general. A girl won't be able to get a visa without a strong financial background which implies higher social class. I think I am wrong on this one. If so, why do you dislike the Lleras SGs?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2944962]Share the service I got? What do you mean? My goal is to get GFE all around. I think we all know what GFE is, no need to go into details. More often that not I do get GFE, but I got to say that it was much easier to get GFE a few years ago than nowadays.[/QUOTE]There is a spectrum of preference. At one end are the men that prefer casas, like different girls, pure physical sex, on the other end is men like Elvis who gets a real GF, and Elvis has told us he is getting it better which I think is true if one's preference matches his. Have you figure out where you are at in this spectrum? Because Colomianas will ration GFE, they will commit the minimum to fulfil the agreement, most are saving them up so they don't go all out. If that is your case, then what you receive is not better than someone who paid less.

That the girl said to me that night.

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No me cambies por otra mujer porque soy tu novia.
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Tu eres mi novio, yo soy tu novia.
Ya sabes, no ms novia para ti, yo soy tu novia.
Tu eres mi novio
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