Sao Paulo Reports

[QUOTE=Xkalibur80;1985414]Are you living in SP now? If so, would love to tap into your expertise and showing me the ropes. I am accustomed to the bar pick up scene in PTY and Havana so wondering if there any such places in SP.[/QUOTE]I am living in SP now. I know all the pro places. I know some girls looking to free lance at bars where they can meet gringos in particular, sort of like Emporium in Ipanema, I suppose. A place that is a mostly non pro, but where a pro can mingle and approach clients. Would All Blacks be such a place? Or others?

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;1985399]Having been indoctrinated by the Rio terma scene, Helpee, & Meia Pataca. I think Tangara is a total waste of time. You come in, the girls come out, introduce themselves parade style in a single file line and go back to their waiting area. You have approx. 5 - 10 seconds to check them out and they won't return until the next guy comes in. WTF? It's like an Orthodox Jewish religious ceremony where the men are kept separate from the women. If you see something you like and you don't select them after the first "drive by," you have to get the manager's attention to get the girl to come back again.

There's no time to interview, all that has to take place after you've selected them. So theoretically, you can't get an idea of what she will or will not do until you've already taken her back to the room. The last time I was there I got majorly pissed because the girl didn't do anal, and I didn't find out until it was too late. For that reason I've never been back. Been frequenting Casarao, IMHO Casarao is Helpee Lite, it does not have the variety you'd been accustomed to if you've ever been to a terma, 4 x 4 for example. Butt all things considered, it will do. Next on my list is Scandallo's. Never been there but many of the freelance GDPs I've hooked up with say they work there on weekends.

Moved to SP about a year ago for work, also have been having major good luck with non-pros that I've met through my work. Sao Paulo is OK with me. A tad reluctant to spend much time in Rio anymore. Specifically, for purposes of logistics and increased crime. Plus, Sao Paulo has an advanced public transportation system, Uber is easy to use also.[/QUOTE]Well you just described the difference be / t a clinica / prive and a boate, those are the normal differences. Nothing specific to Tangara. Actually, with all due respect, it was your fault for not interviewing the girl more if you have strict requirements. Tangara is extremely accommodating in allowing the girls to sit with you and converse a bit before committing, you just have to ask Takuma or the other coordinator. So, yes, like any other clinica there is a lineup. But there is plenty of opportunity to conduct an interview, just ask. And the coordinators generally know which girls do anal etc, that is part of their job.

As for Casarao and 4 x 4, actually, I would argue there is more variety in Casarao. SP has girls from all over Brasil, all body types. There are easily up to 100 girls in Casarao, where as 4 x 4 has about 50 these days and they are mostly cariocas. Which is a point in their favor for those that like cariocas. But the comparison of Casarao to Help is a good one, though Casarao has rooms on premise and Help did not.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1985409]Actually, in Tangara some of the girls do hang out in the lounge area and you could go talk to them. In any case, at any clinica (or Rio prive) you can have the girl you like chat with you before you go to the room to see if she does what you want her to do in a session.[/QUOTE]At Tangara you can always walk over to where the girls lounge and talk to them, or tell the manager you want a girl who does anal, or whatever, and they will tell you. But if you see a girl you like, be sure to pull her aside and talk to her first. Some of the girls who are open to anal might need to get ready for you before going to the room.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1985490]I went to Casarao American Bar one time, but did not return. The reason was because of all of those women in there with the booty on duty, I only saw one who I was attracted to! So, that made the place not my cup of tea. I did not session, but I wish I had just to see what the rooms were like. What's your opinion on that? Also, how available is anal? Hell, I had probably my best anal session of my entire trip right next door at dingy Balneario American Bar LOL!

Now, Scandallo was the exact opposite for me in terms of attractive ladies being available. Everywhere I looked! But, hommes you better be prepared to pay up! Of course, paying more won't automatically mean better service (I did have all good sessions at Scandallo). But, you will have better-looking women to choose from, at least when compared to Casarao (and I say most definitely as compared to the clinicas too). And that's a certainty! IMHO hehehe![/QUOTE]My opinion of the facilities at Casarao: There are maybe 30 rooms, each with shower, queen size bed, mirrored walls, very clean, and the staff is very efficient. Anal, no problem, you have ample time to interview if they do or don't before you go upstairs. Downside, on a busy weekend there can be a very long wait. Think Milo's brothel in Catch- 22.

IMHO: Balneario can be a bit of a crap shoot, as it's a serious Brasiliero hangout, novice gringos are apt to hook up with a passer through chick not from Sao Paulo who is just looking for a fast real and will try to rip you off once you get back to the room. Last time I was there it was about 95 degrees outside and the fan didn't work in the room. She refused to do anal, after agreeing to on the floor. Thinking she could tell from my accent that I a gringo. No problem, informed the manager, he comped my bar tab (r $90). Think she got fired, never saw her there again. I usually swing by there after I leave Casarao. Did she her working the street below Caribe Bar. Conversely, the rooms in Casarao are AC not fans.

[QUOTE=Xkalibur80;1985414]Are you living in SP now? If so, would love to tap into your expertise and showing me the ropes. I am accustomed to the bar pick up scene in PTY and Havana so wondering if there any such places in SP.[/QUOTE]Rio is much better to monger and easier (this is my personal opinion).

You can only go to a district and find many places in the same area unlike Sao Paulo you always have to travel from a place to another place to see what's available.

You can find many good places in Rio de Janeiro if you check the Rio forum you can see some information.

Price is less expensive than Sao Paulo, it depends where.

You can also find good prives in Rio de Janeiro especially in Barra the tijuka, there are many places in Rio where you can relax and talk to the girl before fucking.

[QUOTE=Komo753;1985647]Rio is much better to monger and easier (this is my personal opinion).

You can only go to a district and find many places in the same area unlike Sao Paulo you always have to travel from a place to another place to see what's available.

You can find many good places in Rio de Janeiro if you check the Rio forum you can see some information.

Price is less expensive than Sao Paulo, it depends where.

You can also find good prives in Rio de Janeiro especially in Barra the tijuka, there are many places in Rio where you can relax and talk to the girl before fucking.[/QUOTE]"Tangara is a sex club? Which city you prefer Sao Paulo or Rio? I only Mongered in Rio de Janeiro I really like it because it is really easy to find girls with (quality price) Tangara (the room is included? 200 reais one hour.

Tangara is the only sex club with a low price in Sao Paulo?

I agree with you there are many girls, I've never tried Sao Paulo when I read the reports I get the feeling mongering in Sao Paulo is way more expensive than Rio de Janeiro."

That is what you just wrote in December. Have you actually visited Sao Paulo yet? If not, why do you come onto the SP sub and claim that RJ is better when you have no personal knowledge? You are not doing any potential future visitors any favors spreading misinformation. Mongering is neither more expensive or less expensive in either city. Both have their low, mid and high end places. Sao Paulo just has more of all of them.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;1985586]Well you just described the difference be / t a clinica / prive and a boate, those are the normal differences. Nothing specific to Tangara. Actually, with all due respect, it was your fault for not interviewing the girl more if you have strict requirements. Tangara is extremely accommodating in allowing the girls to sit with you and converse a bit before committing, you just have to ask Takuma or the other coordinator. So, yes, like any other clinica there is a lineup. But there is plenty of opportunity to conduct an interview, just ask. And the coordinators generally know which girls do anal etc, that is part of their job.

As for Casarao and 4 x 4, actually, I would argue there is more variety in Casarao. SP has girls from all over Brasil, all body types. There are easily up to 100 girls in Casarao, where as 4 x 4 has about 50 these days and they are mostly cariocas. Which is a point in their favor for those that like cariocas. But the comparison of Casarao to Help is a good one, though Casarao has rooms on premise and Help did not.[/QUOTE]Casarao has more variety than 4 x 4, not hardly!

Typical night at Casarao is usually pretty lilly white. An occasional mulata or two or three or four or five or six, on a busy night. Next you'll find an occasional Nippon-Brasiliera mixed in with a few indigenous Brasilieras. If you find a straight up Black chick she'll be from Rio, Bahia, Nordeste or Espiritu Santo. Never seen more than 10 straight up Black chicks there at the same time. Lots of southern Brasilieras from Florianopolis, Porto Alegre, (sexy smoking hot German & Italian stock) and from the interior of Brasil (if this is what you mean by more variety, yes then maybe). Additionally, Casarao is becoming the spot for college girls and single moms who need to pull together their rent money and school tuition. Typically these are one trick ponies who you'll never see on the regular. But has been my experience that they are the ones to go after as they are not as jaded, desperate, and gold digging as the seasoned pros. If you're lucky you can get there their number and actually have a "real" date with them sometime. Been there, done that (Note: this would require at least an intermediate working knowledge of Portuguese). Also, unlike like the good ole' days in Rio, these chicks will not pose for fotos. Makes it difficult to supplement your data with hard evidence or identify the duds.

One night I counted 123 girls and 200+ guys. Keep reminding myself to swing by the Judicial Federal Registro and look in the fire codes for what the total capacity is for Casarao. Figure does not include the smoker's lounge as I hate cigarette smoke, only time I go in there is if I want to fire up a joint. Both bars were open upstairs and the stairs in the back to downstairs was open allowing lots of room to circulate. Found my regular Rebekka (pronounced: he-Bekka). Got upstairs waited approx. 10-15 minutes for a room, there were maybe 20 couples in queue as the entire lobby was full to standing room only. Which made me think room assignment was based on if you had a quarenta minutos ou uma hora as we leapfrogged others who were there before us (did a uma hora GFE / completa are $290).

IMHO: Tangara is a total waste of time. The variety there is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. The talent and selection is totally inconsistent on a daily basis. If you're lucky you might find something you like who'll be there on the regular. Lots of girls from other parts of South America, you don't really find that as Casarao. As far as that chick not doing anal, did not mention that she did the first I took her. It was the second time she did not.

Case in point, had sessions with Cintia a rack of times last year. Chick loved anal and could make you cum by doing Kegels with her pussy. Also could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch. Have not seen her since last NOV. Also, feel that Rio is not a good choice anymore in terms of personal safety / security. Was there for the Olympics, would have felt much more safer if I had been strapped. Hoods, pickpockets, bums, thieves, and thugs galore.

Rio IMHO these days puts the "G" in ghetto! In SP you might spend a little more time getting from Point A to Point be, but you can do it without getting robbed or having to deal with ripoff non-metered cabbies. It takes me 20 minutes to walk from my flat to Casarao, will often do so at 01:00 or 02:00 in the AM. Done this several times, perfectly safe no worries. Also, with Casarao if the wait is too long, I usually bring them back to my flat for a todo o noite. You actually get more bang for your real this way.

Fotos are Casarao regulars: Aninha, Marcela, & Rebekka.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;1985719]"Tangara is a sex club? Which city you prefer Sao Paulo or Rio? I only Mongered in Rio de Janeiro I really like it because it is really easy to find girls with (quality price) Tangara (the room is included? 200 reais one hour.

Tangara is the only sex club with a low price in Sao Paulo?

I agree with you there are many girls, I've never tried Sao Paulo when I read the reports I get the feeling mongering in Sao Paulo is way more expensive than Rio de Janeiro."

That is what you just wrote in December. Have you actually visited Sao Paulo yet? If not, why do you come onto the SP sub and claim that RJ is better when you have no personal knowledge? You are not doing any potential future visitors any favors spreading misinformation. Mongering is neither more expensive or less expensive in either city. Both have their low, mid and high end places. Sao Paulo just has more of all of them.[/QUOTE]I wrote this report before going to Sao Paulo, I was in Sao Paulo for one weeks now I can say I prefer Rio over Sao Paulo (that's my experience) we are all different maybe because I don't know Sao Paulo as well as Rio de Janeiro I am back in Rio.

I think that all of the current activity and discussion in the Sao Paulo thread is great! For far too many years, it was all the postings and opinions of pretty much just one guy. It's invaluable to have the benefit of a diverse set of views from many different people. And then, you decide for yourself. I think that Sampa is a great destination for mongering with many options to choose from in multiple market segments. I didn't find exactly what I was looking for in Sampa (a venue with really good-looking girls like at Scandallo and Bomboa, but at mid-market prices), but I would most definitely go to Sao Paulo again. Hot Brazilian girls, good food and drink, plus way easier to get around than I thought it would be. So why not? Rio termas number 1, German FKKs number 2, and Sao Paulo on the whole number 3. IMHO! And, except for The DR and The PI, I've been to all the major mongering destinations in the world. Based on what I know, I seriously doubt that going to The DR or The PI would change my top 3 rankings.

[QUOTE=Komo753;1985772]I wrote this report before going to Sao Paulo, I was in Sao Paulo for one weeks now I can say I prefer Rio over Sao Paulo (that's my experience) we are all different maybe because I don't know Sao Paulo as well as Rio de Janeiro I am back in Rio.[/QUOTE]Yes, we all have opinions, just wanted to verify that you were basing yours on what you saw, not just what you read.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;1985765]Casarao has more variety than 4 x 4, not hardly!

Typical night at Casarao is usually pretty lilly white. An occasional mulata or two or three or four or five or six, on a busy night. Next you'll find an occasional Nippon-Brasiliera mixed in with a few indigenous Brasilieras. If you find a straight up Black chick she'll be from Rio, Bahia, Nordeste or Espiritu Santo. Never seen more than 10 straight up Black chicks there at the same time. Lots of southern Brasilieras from Florianopolis, Porto Alegre, (sexy smoking hot German & Italian stock) and from the interior of Brasil (if this is what you mean by more variety, yes then maybe). Additionally, Casarao is becoming the spot for college girls and single moms who need to pull together their rent money and school tuition. Typically these are one trick ponies who you'll never see on the regular. But has been my experience that they are the ones to go after as they are not as jaded, desperate, and gold digging as the seasoned pros. If you're lucky you can get there their number and actually have a "real" date with them sometime. Been there, done that (Note: this would require at least an intermediate working knowledge of Portuguese). Also, unlike like the good ole' days in Rio, these chicks will not pose for fotos. Makes it difficult to supplement your data with hard evidence or identify the duds.

One night I counted 123 girls and 200+ guys. Keep reminding myself to swing by the Judicial Federal Registro and look in the fire codes for what the total capacity is for Casarao. Figure does not include the smoker's lounge as I hate cigarette smoke, only time I go in there is if I want to fire up a joint. Both bars were open upstairs and the stairs in the back to downstairs was open allowing lots of room to circulate. Found my regular Rebekka (pronounced: he-Bekka). Got upstairs waited approx. 10-15 minutes for a room, there were maybe 20 couples in queue as the entire lobby was full to standing room only. Which made me think room assignment was based on if you had a quarenta minutos ou uma hora as we leapfrogged others who were there before us (did a uma hora GFE / completa are $290)..[/QUOTE]Good details on Casarao. I agree in general with your description, though we might disagree on whether that constitutes more variety than 4 x 4, which is a minor point. The larger point is Casarao is really banging these days. It is the probably the hottest club for putaria in Brasil. Girls are coming from all over to work there. At Christmas, I saw a long time Rio GP, that I knew from free lance, Cancun, 4 x 4 and MC. I always run into her. Sure enough first night back at Casaarao, I see this hot mulata, from behind. She turns around its the RJ girl, still built like a shit house, passista and exercise freak. She is coming to SP B/ C that is where the action is now. The word is out amongst GPS, that Casarao is it. Its almost too successful at this point. You need to go upstairs before 1:00 or you wait to long for a room. I also worry about the fire hazard, fortunately it looks like there are not flammable materials. But is there even an emergency exit downstairs or upstairs? I was there during a power outage, and I went immediately to the front, and left soon after, not wanting to risk a stampede.

Just to carry the variety discussion a bit, it seems you agree that Casarao draws girls from all over Brasil. Your gripe is not as many mulatas / negras as you want. I am in the same boat, I prefer mulatas and negras. But to be honest, even the RJ clubs are not full of these girls, or at least not full of what I would consider good ones. Last time I went to 4 x 4 there were about 40 girls, and only 2 good mulatas imo. So if Casarao has 6 on a good night, that's pretty good.

The thing that separates Casarao from the rest IMO is that girls work when they please, so the turnover is large, in a good way. I am not a guy that repeats often even with the best, so high turnover is a plus in my book. Nothing is worse than going to a place and seeing the same girls over and over.

I am not sure from your report that you have a particular dislike for Tangara or just a dislike of clinicas in general. The girl who did anal once and then not the next time, I can see where that would be an aggravation. I don't see anal so this is never a problem for me. However, the girls at clinicas often see many clients per day so they may be sore, etc. I try to factor that into my evaluation and expectation.

I should self edit my post, where I said that Casaarao is the hottest club. Probably Scandalo is as much or more of a draw. The difference is that at Scandalo and Bomboa and such the girls have to commit to working a minimum of 4 (I thought it was 5 before) nights or they pay penalties, whereas Casarao is a just show up and work joint. Such a simple concept but effective, surprising there are not more places like it.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;1986079]Whereas Casarao is a just show up and work joint. Such a simple concept but effective, surprising there are not more places like it.[/QUOTE]I was just thinking this yesterday and absolutely agree. A Casarao-type club with more girls to my personal tastes to select from would be the perfect lower mid-market venue in Sampa for me I think.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;1985942]Yes, we all have opinions, just wanted to verify that you were basing yours on what you saw, not just what you read.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I agree Sao Paulo is good because there are more different girls, I found some white Brazilian with natural blond hair and blue eyes of European descent or Asian Brazilians, even in Rio it is really difficult to find one or even impossible.

I am not into clinicas I am more into clubs or termas that's why I still prefer Rio De Janeiro over Sao Paulo, the clubs in Sao Paulo costs expensive, you have to pay the entrance that is not cheap, and the room separated unlike clubs in Rio de Janeiro always using uber from a place to another place is not cheap.

Sao Paulo is good for short term and Rio is good for a long term.

If you like clinicas or you have much money to spend Sao Paulo is a good place to monger (This is my own opinion and experience) we are all different, I am not a Sao Paulo expert because I only stayed 10 days (over 1 week) maybe if I live in Sao Paulo someday I will find more tips.

I was staying in hotel Caesar Business, as was the 1st day in Belo, (I am new in Brazil) so wasn't knowing any places to have fun, Asked at the hotel reception for a nice place to hang out, and he suggested a pick up bar near to it, name I don't remember, so went to the club, the moment I entered I was light by 89 reals and I was to pay what I consume, I am just having a seat there and I am welcomed by 2 chicks, one is 22 , little chubby and second one little older about 30 to 36, we drank there and the party starts. There were few of the stunning strippers who were performing there, and I had my eye on a typical Brazilian dark skinned girl who was exactly my type, I was in no mood to take any one to hotel just went there for having some fun. I invited the Brazilian stripper to my table and we started having conversation. I ordered drinks for her and she was completely flat, she thought I was a millionaire, and did;'t explained about my financial status, just gave her 50 reals and she was impressed and she held my hammer in her hand and the stunning part is that all this was happening in the night club. She was gently stroking and invited me to the toilet area which I refused as I was enjoying her soft hand, movements in my pants, we were kissing each other DFK, I thought for 50 reals its a really good thing. I didn't wanted to fuck her, so continued the party and enjoyed the conversation.