FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=Trizen;1751790]I'm a newbie to Artemis and have been reading the posts here for several months. I have two questions:

A. How much do the girls expect to be tipped after each session? Is 20 euros the right amount? I would hate to have a nice time and then be berated for insufficient tip.
[/QUOTE]Without starting a debate on tips since everybody can do what they want with their money, my opinion is that tips cannot be expected per se and if you want you can avoid tipping. Personally I would (in case) only tip if the service is very good and by very good I mean a complete GFE. But don't feel guilty or something for not tipping. I received requests for tipping after mediocre services. My answer was prrrr!

At Simon Rex or others that know: As for Laureen/Loreen from Hungary, anybody knows when she starts working, for example afternoon or evening?

Cheers.

Buck.

[QUOTE=Trizen;1751790]I'm a newbie to Artemis and have been reading the posts here for several months. I have two questions:

A. How much do the girls expect to be tipped after each session? Is 20 euros the right amount? I would hate to have a nice time and then be berated for insufficient tip.

B. What is the policy for alcoholic drinks? I think I read one post that said you are only allowed three alcoholic drinks. I'm not looking to get rip-roaring drunk but would like to know.

What the restrictions are.

Thank you. I'll post my report soon![/QUOTE]That's an interesting question I'd like to know others opinions.

I think that like for every tip it's matter on how much you are satisfied and if you are going to meet the same girl soon but some may consider the CIM a sort tip from the "base" service.

I usually do not ask for the change back and I never gave less the 20 E as tip and also I've gave 100 E for 30 min to the good ones.

About the alcohol never heard of any restrictions until you pay the tokens for the drinks (and none will ask you how many you had) and for what I've seen you have to be very drunk before to be stopped.

[QUOTE=FMoreau;1751911]That's an interesting question I'd like to know others opinions.

I think that like for every tip it's matter on how much you are satisfied and if you are going to meet the same girl soon but some may consider the CIM a sort tip from the "base" service.

I usually do not ask for the change back and I never gave less the 20 E as tip and also I've gave 100 E for 30 min to the good ones.

About the alcohol never heard of any restrictions until you pay the tokens for the drinks (and none will ask you how many you had) and for what I've seen you have to be very drunk before to be stopped.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's great information. Thanks to you and Buck Rogers as well.

I was not referring to the CIM type of tip. I'm thinking about whether to offer an extra amount after she is fully paid for the time and extras. Sounds like 20 euros is a good start.

[QUOTE=FMoreau;1751911]I usually do not ask for the change back and I never gave less the 20 E as tip and also I've gave 100 E for 30 min to the good ones.[/QUOTE]Hi all,

Please do not give tips for a regular service. We, the guys from Berlin, hate it when foreigners do that, it's not good for the ratio of service and rate.

If the service is okay, give her 60 Euro for the 30 Minutes. If it was really very good, give her 10 Euro extra. But not more.

[QUOTE=BuckRogers;1751910]At Simon Rex or others that know: As for Laureen/Loreen from Hungary, anybody knows when she starts working, for example afternoon or evening?[/QUOTE]She told me she usually start at 7 pm and stay until 5 am.

[QUOTE=Karat;1752093]Hi all,

Please do not give tips for a regular service. We, the guys from Berlin, hate it when foreigners do that, it's not good for the ratio of service and rate. [/QUOTE]

I agree. Staying longer than 30 minutes is tip enough. Overall I think the Art is getting worse. The girls' attitude is getting more rude than before. There are still some rays of sunshine there but they seem to be more and more rare. Even Sasha was grumpy. I think the management needs to take care of this or else they need competition.

Hi,

Going to Artemis next weekend, are there any petite girls there (spinner type girls) recommended one also like sloppy blowjob so anybody recommend the best blowjob at Artemis thanks.

[QUOTE=SimonRex;1752335]I agree. Staying longer than 30 minutes is tip enough. Overall I think the Art is getting worse. The girls' attitude is getting more rude than before. There are still some rays of sunshine there but they seem to be more and more rare. Even Sasha was grumpy. I think the management needs to take care of this or else they need competition.[/QUOTE]I was bit surprised that you were trash talked by a girl for not giving her tip (referring to your earlier post). I am no expert when it comes to FKK scene (only had 25-30 sessions in Artemis so far) but this is the first time I heard something like this (guess I am trash talked a lot then).

I agree that the Artemis seems worse than it was. As I said, I don't have massive experience with the place, I have only been there on three occasions (December last year, April and last week). Could be that the place has lost its novelty to me too.

Last week I saw a girl getting irritated when she was ignored by a punter on his way to the cantina (which by the way was full of flies. Not nice.). Despite the guy obviously not being interested in a session (and giving the proper signals), she screamed "Hello,. Helloooo! After him. Fortunately for me as I was interested in trying her out but this made me save my money.

Talked to the guy I mentioned above later on and he pointed me to a wonderful Colombian lady instead (Lorena?) which normally would not be my choice. Fantastic service (proper massage followed by sex) - will definitely repeat. Unfortunately she will be away next two weeks.

Tried also a girl named Simeona (Simona? Unsure about her name) - session was OK, but did not leave any lasting expression. May repeat if no other option available.

For those that are fans of the glorious Jenna (which should be tried out if you are noob like me, regardless of what your preferences are) - she is away from Artemis until the August 30th.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1752358]
Talked to the guy I mentioned above later on and he pointed me to a wonderful Colombian lady instead (Lorena?) which normally would not be my choice. Fantastic service (proper massage followed by sex) - will definitely repeat. Unfortunately she will be away next two weeks.

[/QUOTE]Sounds like Valentina. I met her in April, and I am inclined to agree about the service. Great body-to-body massage, and good sex. What I didn't like was her insistence, as soon as we were in the room, to go for her "special program". She did not seem at all interested in giving good service for a standard 30 minute vanilla session, I "had to at least" go for her 40 minute /100 Euro. Now, as I said, her service was good. And she is hot, as well as interesting to talk to (athletic stories, too). But I guess I shouldn't have accepted her special terms, as this practise can pervert the pricing structure in Artemis, if it continues / spreads. My bad. . .

[QUOTE=SimonRex;1752335] Overall I think the Art is getting worse. The girls' attitude is getting more rude than before. There are still some rays of sunshine there but they seem to be more and more rare. I think the management needs to take care of this or else they need competition.[/QUOTE]Art is getting some negative reviews. And nothing wrong with that as it's what the forum is all about. Sharing experiences. I do think the club suffers from the lack of competition. It is clear that in NRW and Hessen the competition maintains quality in the clubs. When one starts to dip and numbers go down, they always seem to do something to get it back there. No such issue for the management at Art. The threatened new FKK in Potsdam appears to have bitten the dust. I have no idea if the management at Artemis read this forum. If they do the following should be noted: 80 is too expensive as entry. It is THE most expensive in Germany so far as I know. The food needs to improve. The massage area should be private and not on beds by the pool and bar. Stop the silly drink tokens and get one of the FOB systems used in Sharks where you run a tab and pay at the end instead of having to carry tokens in your robe. Get some themed rooms like in Sharks. A domination room, all mirrored room, and a VIP suite (I believe they have these on the roof area but I've never been up there). Some beers should be free. As in World and LR in NRW. Finally. Get the message to the girls about sharky behaviour. Wanting to charge extra for literally everything other than suck and fuck.

Recently (June) compared Artemis with Oase, Sharks and World. See long post: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1089-General-Info&p=1737540&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1737540.

I then rated Artemis above all of these clubs (having visited them all in one week). This was only 10 weeks ago! Whilst my above criticisms are things I'd love to see improve, the truth is that the club has several features that beat other clubs. A great gym. I know you don't go there for that but it's a nice way to relax in between sessions, the hammam, the food is sometimes good, the outdoor area is ok in summer, and the girls I did session with were better than the LU in Frankfurt clubs even if there are 100+ in Sharks and Oase. So it's not all bad at Art!

Now. If you are a regular at the Club (Diplomat / Rocketboy and others) is there no possibility that perhaps you bring some of the concerns to the attention of the management for the benefit of the Club and its users? You would be doing them, and the mongers, a big favour. I do know that this happened at one of the NRW clubs and service did quickly improve and some ideas taken on board.

In terms of LU. And I know everyone's taste differs, could the regulars to Art list maybe the 5 most popular girls in their opinion and how to recognise them as well as names, and maybe tell the rest of us which girls are due to be away during summer? Disappointing to know Lorena is away for 2 weeks as I'm back in the Club weekend of 7/8 August.

I think a number of guys would appreciate a current review of the girls and who is leaving for summer from the regulars. Hope you can help us out guys!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1752427]A Stop the silly drink tokens and get one of the FOB systems used in Sharks where you run a tab and pay at the end instead of having to carry tokens in your robe. [/QUOTE]Yeah totally agree its stupid to buy drink tokens and 10 E for a beer is way too expensive. I still haven't had a beer at Sharks but 6 E is much more reasonable 5 E sure would boost sales and the system is so much convenient.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1752427]Art is getting some negative reviews. And nothing wrong with that as it's what the forum is all about. Sharing experiences. I do think the club suffers from the lack of competition. It is clear that in NRW and Hessen the competition maintains quality in the clubs. When one starts to dip and numbers go down, they always seem to do something to get it back there. No such issue for the management at Art. The threatened new FKK in Potsdam appears to have bitten the dust. I have no idea if the management at Artemis read this forum. If they do the following should be noted: 80 is too expensive as entry. It is THE most expensive in Germany so far as I know. The food needs to improve. The massage area should be private and not on beds by the pool and bar. Stop the silly drink tokens and get one of the FOB systems used in Sharks where you run a tab and pay at the end instead of having to carry tokens in your robe. Get some themed rooms like in Sharks. A domination room, all mirrored room, and a VIP suite (I believe they have these on the roof area but I've never been up there). Some beers should be free. As in World and LR in NRW. Finally. Get the message to the girls about sharky behaviour. Wanting to charge extra for literally everything other than suck and fuck.

Recently (June) compared Artemis with Oase, Sharks and World. See long post: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1089-General-Info&p=1737540&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1737540.

I then rated Artemis above all of these clubs (having visited them all in one week). This was only 10 weeks ago! Whilst my above criticisms are things I'd love to see improve, the truth is that the club has several features that beat other clubs. A great gym. I know you don't go there for that but it's a nice way to relax in between sessions, the hammam, the food is sometimes good, the outdoor area is ok in summer, and the girls I did session with were better than the LU in Frankfurt clubs even if there are 100+ in Sharks and Oase. So it's not all bad at Art!

Now. If you are a regular at the Club (Diplomat / Rocketboy and others) is there no possibility that perhaps you bring some of the concerns to the attention of the management for the benefit of the Club and its users? You would be doing them, and the mongers, a big favour. I do know that this happened at one of the NRW clubs and service did quickly improve and some ideas taken on board.[/QUOTE]Well "the food is sometimes good" kind of covers what I think about the food. Early in the morning it is OK (motel standard), while lunch mostly sucks and I suspect that food that remains after the day is over is being "reused" for next days lunch. I ate two times at artemis (and both times felt unwell in stomach afterwords) and then followed kind advice from fellow punters and went out to the nearby restaurants and fast food places. Remember that you can leave your locker key with reception and return later without paying entrance once again (don't remove the colored plastic ribbon ofc).

While I have no complaints regarding lineup (since I have nothing to compare it to) - it seems all body types are present, it really irks me that the website is kind of worthless. You got plenty pictures of girls that are not really that great in many cases and where the girl is no longer working in Artemis. I don't know what system they got in Artemis now regarding the pool of girls but I believe that they could make a system where you can see which girl is present or not. For example, many brothels operate with schedule systems where you can see when a certain girl is onsite or on vacation.

[QUOTE=Ravein2;1752426]Sounds like Valentina. I met her in April, and I am inclined to agree about the service. Great body-to-body massage, and good sex. What I didn't like was her insistence, as soon as we were in the room, to go for her "special program". She did not seem at all interested in giving good service for a standard 30 minute vanilla session, I "had to at least" go for her 40 minute /100 Euro. Now, as I said, her service was good. And she is hot, as well as interesting to talk to (athletic stories, too). But I guess I shouldn't have accepted her special terms, as this practise can pervert the pricing structure in Artemis, if it continues / spreads. My bad. . .[/QUOTE]Valentina? I would have remembered that name. The lady in question is late 30's, early 40's. When I first saw her I though she was from Asia. Great body with silicone boobs (nicely done). With high heels 170 cm of height.

I will be visiting Berlin and would like to visit Artemis but I have heard both good and bad reports about the place.

I have hesitations about going to a place as I will surely (most likely) be seen as a:

•*Novice to the FKK scene.

•*Foreigner.

Both of which I am.

I have read on these forums that you want to talk with the girl beforehand. Make sure we're all play by the same set of rules and agreed upon service.

But then walking into the room you get a different story etc.*etc.*etc.*.

One can only get so much advice from these forums before you have enter yourself.

How does one who is completely new to this not get completely taken advantage of?

[QUOTE=CDNTraveler;1752509]I will be visiting Berlin and would like to visit Artemis but I have heard both good and bad reports about the place.

I have hesitations about going to a place as I will surely (most likely) be seen as a:

*Novice to the FKK scene.

*Foreigner.

Both of which I am.

I have read on these forums that you want to talk with the girl beforehand. Make sure we're all play by the same set of rules and agreed upon service.

But then walking into the room you get a different story etc.*etc.*etc.*.

One can only get so much advice from these forums before you have enter yourself.

How does one who is completely new to this not get completely taken advantage of?[/QUOTE]Hello CDNTraveler.

I remember my first time at Artemis. I walked in, got changed and then went to the bar for a drink. I picked a seat far away from the bar and watched the girls approach me. Then I took my time to chat each one up as they sat on the couch beside me. Many will jump right on your lap and reach in your robe and fish for your member. The girls that are the most impatient and want to sell you a good time, you probably want to avoid on the first go round. Don't worry. Take mental notes of her and ask for her name. She will come back. That I promise. Many girls will even come to you in pairs and sell you a threesome. If you play it cool, you will be fine. However, if you walk around and look like you haven't been laid in months, then they can upsell you whatever they are selling and you will pay dearly with poor service. Before my fist trip to Artemis, I had made several tours to Prague and other cities. I was not going in uninitiated.

About Artemis. I used to visit annually, but I have noticed that the looks and the quality of the girls had gone down, compared to Frankfurt clubs. That is just my opinion and personal preference. However, I am also reading reports that there are new girls there now. Artemis has no immediate FKK competition, so therefore the girls can get away with a bit more. The last time I was there I found only a handful of girls who were worth taking upstairs to the rooms. Many others were hounding me, thinking I am still a rookie at this game. Of course you are the paying customer, so you should call all the shots. The bar area is the place to observe the girls. Another good place is the spiral staircase. Stand there, and watch for the facial expression of other men as they take the girls to the money locker. If they look pissed, then don't pick that girl. If they look extremely satisfied, make a note of that girl and choose her later. I like going to Artemis to collect flags. There should be many countries represented there. Take the time and find out where each girl is from. Romanians will often represent themselves as Greeks or Italians. Learn to speak a few words in Romanian and test them. It is fun, believe me.

Read the reports on this forum and report the girls that you like. That helps everybody out. If you are daring, sit in one of the kinos (porno movie rooms). The girls will walk right up to you and start giving you the BBBJ. It is a public place, so it may be too much for a first-timer such as yourself. However, you can sit in there and observe. That is part of the fun. Now if you want to avoid the cigarette smoke and the aggressive girls, you can hide in the dining room or downstairs by the pool and saunas. There is a full service bar downstairs too. Often times you need an area of refuge. Last bit of advice. If a girl attempts to cheat you, don't be afraid to take her to speak to the manager at the front desk. Fortunately for me, I have never had to. If you pre-screen the girls properly, much like her having to apply for a job and you're the boss, then I think you will be fine.

Good luck!

FiddyCent.

The majority of the girls were honest performers. They are probably suffering from the behaviour initiated by the bad apples. After all, the crew of Artemis show no interest in cleaning up this mess, the ladies in the reception have a superficial approach to the subject, by the time you are about to leave the place asking costumers "are you ok?" with lack of interest in their eyes and voice. I think it is the task for this board to identify the poisonous from the good ones.

I have a break from the place, probably due to extensive number of visits and overfucking. Just one time during those five years have a met a girl with her own alternative price list;.

Simai GER / TUR 25 years, 160 cm, thin, teenage body, long black hair, looks more latino than ottoman.

Kissing + 50.

Rimming her + 50.

Fingering her ass + 50 (no discount, rimming, fingering and fucking her back door 200 E).

Also demanding tip several times during the session.

In the locker area I paid her 50 cent as a tip. I will never forget her fascial expression.