Kyiv

Here is my Nastia, but she was $250 for a few hours.

We should exchange our Nastias :) .

[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1146552]I think IT has a different Nastia. My Nastia was a freebie. All those on the photos were freebies. It's not impossible, my point in listing the photos is that everything is possible. I no longer have her details.[/QUOTE]She is another Nastya, but she is more or less for free, she asks for small gifts a nice evening in the restaurant, and a nice sex night and then asks you for some poket money for make-up. And it's all. Exactly as Miss U.

20-25 whyear old class girls with a normal work, just wanting some fun.

Obvieously IL and me are far older than theese. But hou shall I say IL, we are not relics? And for a FSU Girl the mood is far more important. Now I'm dealing with some 18 whyear old for my next moscow trip, some are really astonishing. Naive, homegrown, little piglets. Especially interested in two (you find them in UA too).

Number 1:18 three months ago. Blonde. 163/49 / A cups wonderul pale white and pink nipples.

Number 2:18, 5 brunetka. 159/50 / B cups. A petite with some meat on.

Now I'm turned on teen petites.

But have some contacts even with a bunetka 21/170/69 / E cups! Softies are ok while young, but they sooon transforms in babushkas!

IT

[QUOTE=Sorbonne; 1146522]IL and IT,

Are you saying you both can get Nastia for less than $100 or even for free?

To me Nastia is a beauty and a stunner.

But for an avarege Joe like me, it seems impossible to get such a beauty / stunner for free.

But if Nastia is available for a fee, her contact info is appreciated. [/QUOTE]IL and IT,

I don't doubt that you scored the freebies you report. But your success doesn't provide much guidance to others to duplicate it. It would really be helpful if you were to lay it out more specifically, with examples, so that guys who are rusty at this, can get a few pointers and a better idea of where to look and what to say, etc. Now obviously you can't change a 50 something year old shlub into Rico Suave, but a few more specific pointers and ideas might help some others get started and get their feet wet in devushka freebie land. Not spoon feeding, but just some entertaining writing about your escapades. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to hear about it.

LJ

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;1146610]I understand that your point is not just your looks, but may I ask you how old you are and how you look?[/QUOTE]My point was it's ALL about game! Looks have very little to do with it unless you look and behave like a monkey. If anything, good looks are a liability in Eastern Europe. If you are too good looking you are placed in the "good gene pool" category and a girl sees you as long term prospect and doesn't want you to think her a ****.

I'm 46, 20 kilos too heavy and way past my prime)

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1146698]IL and IT,

I don't doubt that you scored the freebies you report. But your success doesn't provide much guidance to others to duplicate it. It would really be helpful if you were to lay it out more specifically, with examples, so that guys who are rusty at this, can get a few pointers and a better idea of where to look and what to say, etc. Now obviously you can't change a 50 something year old shlub into Rico Suave, but a few more specific pointers and ideas might help some others get started and get their feet wet in devushka freebie land. Not spoon feeding, but just some entertaining writing about your escapades. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to hear about it.

LJ[/QUOTE]Here are 2 links to my reports doing this.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=467025#post467025[/url]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?815-General-Info&p=586201#post586201[/url]

[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1145857]I am planning to visit Kiev next week. Could any senior member please recommend any tall and user friendly thing from?

[url]www.mamba.ru[/url]

Escort-models. Net.

Top-models

Or any similar source at a reasonable price.

Unfortunately, I could not convince my boss to pay for an apartment and hence booked a room in khreschatik hotel. I hope that I do not have any problem there.

I have shortlisted a few pros and semi pros from mamba. Do you invite them straight to the hotel or is it possible to meet for a drink / coffee for initial assessment?

Thanks for help[/QUOTE]Hi,

Leave the Kreshatik Hotel, turn left, walk approx 10 meters, go though the door of the Buddha Bar, walk up the stairs, buy a beer, and assess assess assess ;)

Have fun.

BR

[quote=it travel; ]also katya and tanya (later katya and nastya) was prcatically for free a light bi couple for 100/150 € a day. and nastya, apart [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] (you might miss her il as i do) is one of the horniest girls i got in a bed: always wet, always ready!

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it travel thanks for the fotos. this foto was nastia with her friend kissing right? . is nastia was moaning with you like a cat. she really moans like a real cat. i agree with you she is really hot.

[quote=irish lad; 1146701]here are 2 links to my reports doing this.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-kiev&p=467025#post467025[/url]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?815-general-info&p=586201#post586201[/url][/quote][quote=irish lad; 586201]hello, all,

here's some advice which i hope is helpful to all.

the ukrainian art of seduction lies somewhere between taming a wild horse and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].

the more times they ask a girl to sleep with them, the bigger the compliment. 10 times will usually do it.

don't bring your date to a club unless you're sure she's a 'done deal' and want to get some dancing done and / or you're looking for a 2nd girl to join you both.

if taking a date out to dinner, tell her what to wear and decide what she's eating. if you're a real gent you might ask her if there's anything she doesn't like before ordering her meal. after the meal, if you're not clubbing, tell her you have some champagne and chocolates at home where it will be more comfortable to talk. try to not be interested in her reply. it wasn't a negotiation.

if you meet a girl in a club and she gives you her number, you can either arrange to meet her during the week if you're a dr skank or cruiser d who know she's 'in the bag' and are just juggling their diaries or sms her 2 minutes later telling her ' i want you. now'. you'll save time this way.

girls in kiev do find ties sexy. if you're in a suit on a thursday night then you're a serious person and your chances have just tripled. it pays to advertise.

if a girl approaches you and isn't on the 'cocktail' buzz then she's interested in you. if you like her then kiss her.

if you like a girl on the dance floor, pay good attention to her and let her know you're watching her dance. be relaxed but confident and smile at her. she'll either look away or she'll respond by dancing even better. if she responds then after the dance she'll come close enough to you so that you can introduce yourself to her and then kiss her.

if you're talking to a girl at the club and she looks at another girl as 90% of them will. ask her if she likes girls. if she says 'no, i like men'. kiss her. if she says 'yes' then say 'so do i' and then kiss her.

hope this helps.

il[/quote]dear irish lad,

now that 2nd link contained specific advice on style and was a great piece of writing! especially liked the lead line "the ukrainian art of seduction lies somewhere between taming a wild horse and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]." to summarize your counsel : you recommend to dress in business attire complete with the all important tie to project the right image, and to employing a personality style of cocky confidence as we smile at the girl and receiving some sort of flirty reaction from her, then boldly proceed straightaway to kiss her smack on the lips as and upon initial introductions.

have i got your sentiments down correctly? does this really work? what proportion of the time did you get shot down when you boldly went for the kiss right away at the beginning?

and most importantly, please tell us more about the follow up? where do you go from that initial kiss? what have you found is best to talk about and in what manner that is conducive to getting where we want to get? can you illustrate this with stories drawn from your experience? this is the kind of "guidance" that will really help the guys on this forum, most of whom probably have been far more reserved and have always waited for some more overt sign from the girl to go for the first kiss.

thanks for your contribution. i encourage you to continue giving advice of this nature which is highly entertaining and beneficial.

lj

[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1146699]My point was it's ALL about game! Looks have very little to do with it unless you look and behave like a monkey. If anything, good looks are a liability in Eastern Europe. If you are too good looking you are placed in the "good gene pool" category and a girl sees you as long term prospect and doesn't want you to think her a.

I'm 46, 20 kilos too heavy and way past my prime) [/QUOTE]And I'm almost the same!

IT

Our favourite political activists FEMEN returned to the streets of the capital during the week.

The topic this time was government "sloppiness" with a few other bits and pieces thrown in.

But it wouldn't be unfair to say they aren't exactly pro-Yanukovich.

[url]http://russianforum.org/2011/04/topl...ed-in-pictures[/url]

Never ceases to amuse me the grim faces of the policemen as they go about their, erm, duty.

You'd think one or two of them might see the funny side of all this.

VG.

Back on the horse tonight with my gf in chernighiv. Anyone up for getting into trouble) what goes on here on Easter Sunday? Also does anyone have information on a little "erotic show" joint called Red Heat in Podil?

[QUOTE=Traveltoomuch;1148468]Back on the horse tonight with my gf in chernighiv. Anyone up for getting into trouble) what goes on here on Easter Sunday? Also does anyone have information on a little "erotic show" joint called Red Heat in Podil?[/QUOTE]Yes, think I wrote about that place a month or 2 ago. Not great. Average girls at best. Trying to be a sophisticated joint. Expensive. Take out girl option $400 as I recall. Not recommended, even for the titty show. No full nudity on stage. Private dances same cost as elsewhere.

Today I had a threesome in my jacuzzi with a couple of amateur girls from mamba, and made use of my new waterproof camera. I'll post a couple of pictures in the appropriate section.

I want to try this mamba site I have never been to ukraine so any help on gettting a threesome? . The more the woman better. But if anyone has tips on getting two women let me. I'm going to Kiev and I want a bath full of women. And by the way how much did this threesome cost you.

Returned from Kiev for more than a week already, and I didn't find the time for a little report. So here we go. .

First time I try the apartment option (thanks to the advice I got on this thread). Not everything was perfect (a couple of light bulbs needing replacement, no corkscrew, a nasty smell coming out of the bathtub sometimes, a broken elevator bringing you systematically to the wrong floor, etc.) but still it was a good deal: great location (Maidan sq.) for about the same price as a hotel room ($120) , with a king-sized bed and without the usual security wankers to be bribed each time you take a girl to your place. I had ordered a transfer from / to the airport and the driver was indeed waiting for me at Borispol (always dreamed about having my name on one of those signs, just like in the HSBC ads) and I was quite happy not having to face the touts for once.

So I was driven to the office, paid the bill (upfront, I think it's the usual way) and then was driven to my apartment. I was a bit surprised at how useless the girl in the office proved to be (Where can I buy food and drinks? Where is the nearest apteka? Where are the nearest cash machines? She had no fucking clue) but fortunately I found by myself soon enough.

I had a business dinner and then went back to my apartment a little before 11p. M, and a shower later I was ready for Erica, an ex Rio girl whom I met last August (by far my best private dances to date). She arrived a little bit late (11:30) and seemed kind of disturbed; she explained to me the police got hold of her when she was just about to enter my building, and that she had to give them UAH400 so that they leave her alone. At first I thought she was bullshitting me so as to make me cry and get some more cash at the end of the day, but she looked freaked out indeed and she was trembling, and she is probably not that good of an actress.

I poured her a vodka to cheer her up and we chit-chatted for a while, it was interesting to learn a little bit more about her life and her past as a Rio girl. She then jumped onto me and started French-kissing me with this naughty smile of hers. And, wow. As far as I am concerned Erica does the best DFK in existence, leaviing all the rest aside it's already worth a meeting. It was also very pleasant to start sex naturally, undressing slowly while kissing each other, and to avoid the "shower is mandatory" thing. When I grabed her bra she smiled at me and asked,"Sense something new?" Jesus Christ, what have you done. The tiny, adorable tits were gone forever."You don't like them?", she asked anxiously when she saw my face."Of course I do", I lied,"but you really didn't need that, you know." She then said as an excuse that now she felt like a real woman! Real woman. What the fuck is that. I don't know if we men are totally responsible for this, but many (too many) girls seem convinced that each and every man on this good old Earth does prefer big tits, whether they are fake or not. What a mess. I did not tell her what I really thought about all that shit, but when I recall what marvellous tits she once had, I am devastated.

But apart from that bad surprise, what a hell of a night. I don't know for how many hours we fucked in total, but it was just terrific. We did any position I have a name for, and many others for which there is no name (I think) , and basically we did everything for which I was supple enough. All of this wrapped up in a most delightful girlfriend attitude, to such an extent that for half a second I thought I would play it bare back this time (not talking of the BJ, which was indeed bareback but given the nature of the meeting it goes without saying). Fortunately, I did not lost my common sense completely and we eventually put the hat on; but it's the first time a condom [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off that much, and as a matter of fact it is the very first time I even have this kind of stupid thoughts with a woman (other than my own).

Now, regarding money. As she did not ask for any cash upfront I thought I had eventually managed to turn her into a freebie. But when, at the end of the meeting, I handed UAH1000 as a "gift", she looked utterly disappointed. I asked what was wrong."Why so little?", she whined. What a fool you are, I said to myself. All right, how much would you want. 2000, she replied,"as much as you pay for the girls from River Palace." (Technically, this is not correct, but I did not find the strength to argue.) I handed another thousand unwillingly."Please, don't be angry", she said."I am not", I lied. And naturally I was pissed off. More a question of pride than money, actually, because when you think of it, $250 for a 13 hour-long stellar GFE isn't that bad of a deal.

We discussed the issue later on. I told her I liked her really and was sad she had made me pay, like I was just another client, whereas I thought she liked me. She replied that she was not a regular working girl, that her last client was in December and that he had paid $400 for one hour. And besides, she asked,"What can you give me, except money?" She said she liked me very much and that she had not come for the money, but that if she hadn't got the cash she'd just feel fucked, as there is no place for her in my life and she would be a fool to expect that I got attached for real and to hope a love story.

Fair enough.

Oh, I almost forgot: according to Erica, the River Palace has opened again! Same concept (floating disco, etc.) as far as I understood, only this time it's far away from centre and she doubts there are many people there as the location is not at all convenient. Did not find the time to check this out.

Spent the evening with a client (who is also a monger). We had a so-called hamburger at O'Briens (very crowdy, but not a single WG around) , then a drink at the Buddha Bar which I wanted to check as I had not yet been to. I am not fond of the place, although I found the music pretty good; it is very gloomy and you can see hardly anything (not quite convenient to choose your hooker properly) , also the fact all the WG are just standing at the bar while the rest of the place is a no man's land, well, I don't like that concept. What's worse, there weren't too many girls, maybe a dozen at best, and as a matter of fact, when we arrived, the bouncers denied entrance to 2 pros right in front of us (you could see that they were WG a mile off) ; I suppose that the management has decided a quota each night, I mean they let in a certain amount of WG so as to attract the dirty dogs (you know who I am talking about) , but they don't want too many hookers either, that would draw attention; probably the River Palace syndrom.

We then moved to Rio. I was quite happy to return as I had not been to Rio since last September and I fucking love that place, although the new staff is not as friendly as the old one (Pascha is no longer working here, apparently). A "manager" started his "all tables are reserved" crap, but my buddy was not in the mood for bullshit and started arguing, and we eventually got a table where we wanted (upstairs, in the big room). My wingman immediately asked for Marina, whom he had taken out the night before; surely this Marina has some special skills since my fellow described his night with her as his best shag ever, which is saying something, as he has been a monger for much longer than me and must have banged maybe 200 or 300 girls during his career.

As for me I was just there to enjoy the show, after my night with Erica I was fucked up and doubted I could even fuck tonight. But Marina suggested a girl for me, going by the alias Malvina (IIRC) , who joined us at our table whereas I had not asked for anything. But the girl looked okay, it so happens that I had spotted her already while she was on stage, so I paid her a drink and we started chatting. (Quite good English, but not the most interesting conversation in human history.) Eventually I asked for a private dance as I had guessed she was rather skilled, and she indeed managed to make me have a erection, much to my surprise (I was really fucked up) so I decided to take her back home. She would not have been my first choice (those Ada, Aissa and Eva were much better-looking and also had great potential) but it was getting late and I had not the strength to go through the process (drinks, blah-blah, etc.) another time. So it was Malvina. And the shag was rather good, above average I would say, altough not worth the $300. Or maybe I am a bit harsh with Malvina because of Erica, after what I had experienced, very few girls could have stood comparison.