Kyiv

[QUOTE=Insomniaque; 1148568]After a couple of phone calls I found one who was available: Renata from top-modals, UAH700 per hour, good reviews. Bingo.

She arrived 15 min late, but I was even later (gone out to buy something to drink) so for once it is the girl who had to wait. I found her waiting in my stairwell, as good as gold. The photos were real[/QUOTE]How often are the pics real on top-modals? I haven't been to Kiev before but I'm looking at the site and there are a lot of pretty girls there. The prices seem good, too. Sometimes as low as 300. I notice that most of the ads have a check mark for "Real Photo". Which is amusing since I assume that most of them are fake. So what did the reviews without the check have to do to earn that distinction? Maybe you just have to pay more for the real photo check mark?

Anyway if the ads with the "real photo" check are actually real. Then there are a few girls who are truly stunning for very low prices. But I'm guessing most of them are bullshit and you just lucked out?

[QUOTE=Lukasek; 1149821]Guys, despite some of them do not like Gia girls cause they have price above the normal price of girls from mamba, but anybody can explain me please why a girl that has price of 180 USD 1 hour if I change the page from english language into Russian language 1 hour with the same girl become 1100 grivnas that are 138 USD?

Where the fuck went these 40 USD?

I guess it is the gringo-foreigner price, but how can we do to pay 140 USD and not 180 USD?

Is it enough to call them in Russian or once she come and she understands who order her is a foreigner she will want 180usd?

And again if we call and say we will pay the Russian price of 1100 grivnas, they will send the girl or not?

It really pissed me off they think we are so that stupid we are not able to change the language of the web site and to do maths to check the prices?

I really do not mind to bring the first taxi driver I met outside in the street and to give him 5 USD to make the phone calling and to save still 35 USD and I am pretty sure every taxi driver will more than happy to earn 5 USD doing a phone call of 2 minutes using my mobile cell phone.

What's your opinion about this turistic rip off? [/QUOTE]Yes, I pointed this out a while back. Just make sure you use the price in HRV! Tell them the price it says in HRV. You do not have to speak Russian, I woudl think.

As to why they are so expensive? Becasue they are known by foreigners AND the photos are actually real, even if heavily photoshoped!

S

YES, that "real photo" tag is no guarantee. Nor are the reviews, as none of them are negative. Nevertheless, if you use some common sense about which phots are real (the ones that show a regular pretty girl in an Ukrainian style apartmetn or out in the streets) and which ones are fake (some gorgeous model photos stolen from the internet) , you shoudl be reaonably okay. By that, I mean that you have a 50% chance of getting the girl in the photo, and another 25% of getting one that looks similar.

The only way to encourage honesty is to turn them down if they are not the on in the photo, WITHOUT any taxi money. They wasted OUR time as well.

[QUOTE=Theystolemyname; 1149834]How often are the pics real on top-modals? I haven't been to Kiev before but I'm looking at the site and there are a lot of pretty girls there. The prices seem good, too. Sometimes as low as 300. I notice that most of the ads have a check mark for "Real Photo". Which is amusing since I assume that most of them are fake. So what did the reviews without the check have to do to earn that distinction? Maybe you just have to pay more for the real photo check mark?

Anyway if the ads with the "real photo" check are actually real. Then there are a few girls who are truly stunning for very low prices. But I'm guessing most of them are bullshit and you just lucked out? [/QUOTE]

I have a friend who used to go in Kiev every year, I asked him how hard it's to find top model girls for sex.

He said it's very easy, just take a taxi and tell him you want to have sex with beautiful girls!

Is it true or you will be mocked?

Another thing is to go to a night club for tourists and tell to the guy who will serve your drink that you will pay him an extra 20$ when he finds a very pretty girl and tell her to seat down with you.

Mamba looks good but the lack of privacy for registering is not appealing (mobile number).

Is there any system like the Romanian 'matrimonial' website for Kiev girls?

[QUOTE=Patikha; 1149956]I have a friend who used to go in Kiev every year, I asked him how hard it's to find top model girls for sex.

He said it's very easy, just take a taxi and tell him you want to have sex with beautiful girls!

Is it true or you will be mocked? [/QUOTE]From my experience, taxi drivers can have very strange opinions regarding what a "beautiful" girl is. Not quite an option unless you have time to lose, as you will probably end up in a nice place (drivers usually know many places) , but only after having been through many shit holes.

[QUOTE=Stevie69; 1149909]Yes, I pointed this out a while back. Just make sure you use the price in HRV! Tell them the price it says in HRV. You do not have to speak Russian, I woudl think.

As to why they are so expensive? Becasue they are known by foreigners AND the photos are actually real, even if heavily photoshoped!

S[/QUOTE]Are all the models real? Funny, one of them has photos that are also being used by someone who has contacted me on UkraineDate. I know both escort sites and girls on UkraineDate often use fake photos so I wasn't sure what to think. I also thought it possible that escorts might be using UkraineDate. Either to find clients or to find love with a man who didn't know about their past.

I asked the girl who was e-mailing me if she was a prostitute but she stopped responding after that.

Good find about the price difference. That's better than the 5% discount the site offers if you take 10 or more girls. . Some of them are very cute, even if photoshopped. I like Sonia.

[QUOTE=Stevie69;1149915](the ones that show a regular pretty girl in an Ukrainian style apartmetn or out in the streets) and which ones are fake (some gorgeous model photos stolen from the internet)[/QUOTE]I think it's difficult to tell because, like was just pointed out, some girls and some sites use real photos like Gia but the photos are heavily photoshopped. With a good photographer or some photoshop skills pretty much anyone can have photos that look like they are supermodel pics stolen from the internet. Talking to girls on UkraineDate many many times I will get sent 2 different kinds of pictures- some candids where they look like very average regular girls, and then some pics that look absolutely incredible like they are on the cover of Vogue. Same girl in both photos and you can tell.

[edit: on the other hand, I've also called up escorts before who were using pics that looked like candids of very normal/average-looking girls, and they were STILL fakes.]

I think it's probably common that girls in Ukraine have some sort of struggling fashion model complex, and I think they probably also have a lot of these amateur studios around the country where you can go to get professional-looking pics taken. So just because a girl looks like a supermodel I wouldn't immediately assume that the pics were fake. I might just think that they are studio shots and possibly altered heavily.

I almost always turn girls away if they show up and it turns out they were using fake pics. But if you've been trying to get laid all day long, and you tell every provider before they show up "are you SURE your pics are REAL? Because I WILL turn you away if they are not!"- which often I do- then by the end of the day after you've rejected 3 or 4 you might eventually just say "fuck it" out of exhaustion and take whatever you can get.

[QUOTE=Theystolemyname;1149995]I almost always turn girls away if they show up and it turns out they were using fake pics. But if you've been trying to get laid all day long, and you tell every provider before they show up "are you SURE your pics are REAL? Because I WILL turn you away if they are not!"- which often I do- then by the end of the day after you've rejected 3 or 4 you might eventually just say "fuck it" out of exhaustion and take whatever you can get.[/QUOTE]Plus, if the switched-girl looks really sympathetic, attractive and beautiful, I see no reason to turn her away, just because she or her "provider" is reluctant to reveal her identity on the internet. I am not on a crusade against girls who want to hide their second carrier, or lead some sort of double life. Actually, I rather prefer girls with a dash of prudence. It is more fun to instruct them.

[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1150009]Plus, if the switched-girl looks really sympathetic, attractive and beautiful, I see no reason to turn her away, just because she or her "provider" is reluctant to reveal her identity on the internet. I am not on a crusade against girls who want to hide their second carrier, or lead some sort of double life. Actually, I rather prefer girls with a dash of prudence. It is more fun to instruct them.[/QUOTE]I just hate being conned. Being lied to puts me in a bad mood which means I'm probably not going to enjoy the sex anyway. It's also a red flag. If they're comfortable lying to you explicitly about the photos being real, they'll be comfortable lying to you about other things. Often when I find a girl with fake photos and choose to go through with the session anyway, I'll get crappy service, or things promised will not be delievered, or worst of all- it will be some sort of scam. If they are honest enough to post real pics then I'll be more comfortable with trusting them.

I'm choosy and like to pick who I'm going to be with and see what options are open to me. If all girls use fake pics but look "similar".. you can't do that. They NEVER look that similar... I'd rather see a bunch of pics of average or ugly girls and be able to pick the one that I like for whatever reason than see a bunch of non-representative pics of models, get my hopes up that the girl is going to be really hot, and then end up with someone who is a disappointment, wondering if maybe one of the other girls with fake pics I would have actually liked better. Why start off on the wrong foot like that? If they want to hide their identity, don't post any pics at all, or blur out the face or something. At the very least be honest when I ask you directly over the phone if the pics are real or not. I think maybe 1/50 will actually fess up if asked about it.

Taxi drivers in Kiev are by far the biggest scamers! I've only seen this nonsense in one Asian country I will not mention.

They will promise you anything and of course overcharge you for their services. Absolutely the worst human beings on the planet! Stay away from them and know your price when you have to use them.

[QUOTE=Patikha; 1149956]I have a friend who used to go in Kiev every year, I asked him how hard it's to find top model girls for sex.

He said it's very easy, just take a taxi and tell him you want to have sex with beautiful girls!

Is it true or you will be mocked?

Another thing is to go to a night club for tourists and tell to the guy who will serve your drink that you will pay him an extra 20$ when he finds a very pretty girl and tell her to seat down with you.

Mamba looks good but the lack of privacy for registering is not appealing (mobile number).

Is there any system like the Romanian 'matrimonial' website for Kiev girls? [/QUOTE]

I just arrived back in town yesterday afternoon, and the freebie I had lined up for the weekend met up with me and went shopping for food and items to get my apartment set up with me but all the while I could tell there was something on her mind. This girl is so sexy that she is all I could have on my mind during the two weeks I was away from Kiev. When we got back to the apartment and we started kissing, it brought matters to a head and what was on her chest bubbled out. She had someone she was in love with and had been wrestling with going through with our tryst, but she didn't want to be that type of person. Holy Shit! She's all of 21 with all the true blue naivete of youth. As much as I tried to suggest to her that this lucky dude (also an older fellow) is probably shagging all over town and not loyal to her and undeserving of her loyalty, I had to stifle myself in admiration of her sincerity. I wished her well and off she went. I was profoundly disappointed though, having tasted and fingered her young taught pussy to its outer limits last time I saw her, and she has the sexiest ass I have seen in a pair of jeans even in Kiev, and that's sexy. Oh well, back to lick my wounds at my favorite hunting ground where the fish are all there in the barrel waiting for you. Rio.

I arrived around midnite and sat downstairs. I interviewed Yanna and another very pretty faced blonde whose name has slipped my mind, complete with private dance etc, but not enough English skills and I wasn't sure if I would enjoy Google Translate all night. So I didn't bite. I then went upstairs to the VIP room and saw a number of very cute young girls, deciding finally on Lika, who although didn't have great English skills made up for it in sheer cuteness and enthusiasm. While waiting for her to get dressed, I also saw Taya again (I had taken her home twice in beginning 2010) , beautiful as ever, but even though I came over to her with a big smile and tucked 100UAH into her garter while she was pole dancing I didn't sense the warmth I wanted that might portend a GFE experience. I will see what's in her head tonight maybe.

Anyway, is curvy and cute and petite and I am 5'11" and the disparity was a turn on to me. Something about Lika inspired me to one of my best performances yet, fucking her in some form or fashion in every room and surface of my apartment, for at least two hours on the clock. She was the ultimate in sexy when she was astride me in cowgirl and reverse cowgirl position, and I could watch her whole sexy profile fucking me but good in the mirror next to my bed. Awesome turn on and almost lost it there and then. But I was not about to allow an early termination of the festivities so I got on top and then I was more in control of the pace and when I would finish. I got creative and grabbed two Pillows off the bed and led her to the office desk in the other room for her to lie back on as I pumped into her for a while holding her buttocks in my palms with her legs slung over my arms and seeing her eyes roll up into her head in ecstasy was a real turn on. But then I dragged her over to the living room couch for some doggie style to the satisfying finish. Showers and back in bed. She had this smiley lovey goofy look in her eyes after that session as we lay in bed kissing and hugging, that just put the topping on an awesome GFE session. She made it clear that she thought I was some sort of sex god. Little did she know that she had taxed me to the end of my capabilities, and I have spent the better part of today recuperating and watching the royal wedding.

LJ

[QUOTE=Theystolemyname; 1150025]I just hate being conned. Being lied to puts me in a bad mood which means I'm probably not going to enjoy the sex anyway. It's also a red flag. If they're comfortable lying to you explicitly about the photos being real, they'll be comfortable lying to you about other things. Often when I find a girl with fake photos and choose to go through with the session anyway, I'll get crappy service, or things promised will not be delievered, or worst of all- it will be some sort of scam. If they are honest enough to post real pics then I'll be more comfortable with trusting them.

I'm choosy and like to pick who I'm going to be with and see what options are open to me. If all girls use fake pics but look "similar". You can't do that. They NEVER look that similar. I'd rather see a bunch of pics of average or ugly girls and be able to pick the one that I like for whatever reason than see a bunch of non-representative pics of models, get my hopes up that the girl is going to be really hot, and then end up with someone who is a disappointment, wondering if maybe one of the other girls with fake pics I would have actually liked better. Why start off on the wrong foot like that? If they want to hide their identity, don't post any pics at all, or blur out the face or something. At the very least be honest when I ask you directly over the phone if the pics are real or not. I think maybe 1/50 will actually fess up if asked about it. [/QUOTE]IMHO I think you are being wrong-headed about this and to your own detriment. The way I see it, a guy who feels the way you do about the fake pictures, would have two choices. (1) go to Rio or Buddha Bar, D'lux and other clubs and see what you're getting before you make a move, or (2) lose the idea that you are going to "encourage honesty" and change the use of fake pictures for escort advertisements. You are smart enough to understand the privacy concerns of the girls about having their pics on the wide open internet identifying them as escorts forever more. Just accept the fact that they need to do this and it's just the way it is. It's not meant for the purpose of "lying to you" personally, so you should try to get past taking such offense. If the girl is not pretty enough, just continue to send them away, until a good looking one shows up. And they do show up eventually, just read this thread to know this. And if you can't rewire your thinking, then go back to method one, and avoid further frustration. Try to find the best way for your time to be fun. Forget about reforming the escort industry in Kiev.

LJ

[QUOTE=Liljoey;1150209]I got creative and grabbed two Pillows off the bed and led her to the office desk in the other room for her to lie back on as I pumped into her for a while holding her buttocks in my palms with her legs slung over my arms and seeing her eyes roll up into her head in ecstasy was a real turn on.[/QUOTE]Fuck me, I have to try this one.

Okay, I have a question (nothing to do with the above).

Regarding apartments (don't shoot me, please) there are several sites which I have been recommended here, namely:

[url]http://apartments.com.ua[/url]

[url]http://www.uaapartments.com[/url]

[url]http://www.bestkievapartment.com[/url]

[url]http://www.ukrainefare.com[/url]

Are there any others which are known to be reliable?

For my next trip I am thinking about sharing an apartment with a client (and a dirty dog, of course) and I am looking for something upscale. But I couldn't find anything to suit my needs. I mean, some apartments have a jacuzzi, some others a home cinema, some others a music system, some others a sauna, etc. But no all-in-one package!

I see most apartments on the above mentioned sites are below $200 per night. My fellow and I could probably go up to $250-300.

Where does one need to look in order to find something really impressive? Has anybody an idea?

Have a look at [url]www.kievinn.com[/url], I think that you must make a reservation early though. I haven't stayed there. The last time I tried to book an apartment with 2-3 days notice there was no availability.

[QUOTE=Insomniaque; 1150224]Fuck me, I have to try this one.

Okay, I have a question (nothing to do with the above).

Regarding apartments (don't shoot me, please) there are several sites which I have been recommended here, namely:

[url]http://apartments.com.ua[/url]

[url]http://www.uaapartments.com[/url]

[url]http://www.bestkievapartment.com[/url]

[url]http://www.ukrainefare.com[/url]

Are there any others which are known to be reliable?

For my next trip I am thinking about sharing an apartment with a client (and a dirty dog, of course) and I am looking for something upscale. But I couldn't find anything to suit my needs. I mean, some apartments have a jacuzzi, some others a home cinema, some others a music system, some others a sauna, etc. But no all-in-one package!

I see most apartments on the above mentioned sites are below $200 per night. My fellow and I could probably go up to $250-300.

Where does one need to look in order to find something really impressive? Has anybody an idea? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Insomniaque; 1150224]Fuck me, I have to try this one.

Okay, I have a question (nothing to do with the above).

Regarding apartments (don't shoot me, please) there are several sites which I have been recommended here, namely:

[url]http://apartments.com.ua[/url]

[url]http://www.uaapartments.com[/url]

[url]http://www.bestkievapartment.com[/url]

[url]http://www.ukrainefare.com[/url]

Are there any others which are known to be reliable?

For my next trip I am thinking about sharing an apartment with a client (and a dirty dog, of course) and I am looking for something upscale. But I couldn't find anything to suit my needs. I mean, some apartments have a jacuzzi, some others a home cinema, some others a music system, some others a sauna, etc. But no all-in-one package!

I see most apartments on the above mentioned sites are below $200 per night. My fellow and I could probably go up to $250-300.

Where does one need to look in order to find something really impressive? Has anybody an idea? [/QUOTE]Dear Insomniaque.

I have exclusively used kievapts. Com for all my trips to Kiev and they have never let me down. They are well aware of my preferences for a clean, new looking luxury apartment downtown, and they have come thru every time. They usually send a couple of suggestions with links to the apartment info and pics on their website.

By the way, it doesn't need to be an office table, as a kitchen or dining room table works great, especially if near the large screen TV playing music video so you can hump to the rhythm.

LJ