FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1754543]For those of us accustomed to paying 100 Euro / hour in Hessen, paying 120 Euros / HR already feels like we're tipping them. Like this, Artemis girls already have a built-in tip included in their base price.

Plus, doesn't Berlin have a cheaper cost of living than Hessen anyways?[/QUOTE]Or you can also think of it as paying 25 Euros tip in Hessen for 1 HR if comparing to Samya. Or 20 Euros comparing to Aca. NRW club prices has risen recently due to Oceans, but before GT/LR pricing was 50 for first half, and 25 after. All different types of extended rates. Or we can think of CIM tipping 25 extra in Hessn, or 50 for Anal. Just difference in prices. Good competition over there too.

I spent just shy of 3 k Euro over 5 days at Artemis this year, 100 in tips, 30 Euro on 30 min sessions with excellent service, where I should have extended. 70 on above and beyond service and free time. I am amazed that I got free time this year, and free time last year as a tourist, and I think that should be rewarded since they know I would not be a regular. 1 hour sessions with good service or with extras I did not tip. I believe this is a good balance. As a whole I think over tipping is bad for tourists and locals in the long run. Tip where tipping is due, but not overdo it. The American model where 10% tip is bad service and 20% or more is good service, just hurts us all.

About the Artemis pricing. For tourists like me with limited time it is pure convenience, I know I would get more bang for my buck in other parts of Germany, but it would also be way more hassle with multiple flights, travels, hotels, rental car etc. Artemis for me means direct flight, cheep hotel, very easy access by public transport. And I am willing to pay extra for that, and that makes Artemis the tourist club it is, for the good and the bad.

Also having just one choice you can get more prepared, less names to remember. And you can repeat with the good ones. Doing 5 clubs in 5 days in Frankfurt, is a way bigger gamble. This year I had only 2 bad session and that was because my own stupidity, imagine experimenting with 4 or more clubs else where. I doubt I would have the same success rate. So yes I have no problems with the Artemis prices, but it would suck if I lived in Berlin.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1754444]We can argue that 50-60 euro is not as much as it was 15 years ago and that influx of EE girls have pushed the prices down (and therefore that real income has gone down) but on the other hand there is very few normal jobs which will give you this much income for 30 minute job (or tbh in most cases in Artemis a 15-20 min job). I have heard girls complain of slow day when they only pulled in 430 euros. Ofc they got expenses too and I suspect that some of them are turning over they money to third parties (esp Romanian girls) but certainly a german girl is earning more money in a week than a high paying German does in a month. Just look at the cars some of the girls are having.
[/QUOTE]I can see it being attractive still for Germans. Those that are lacking education or supplementing income. 50 or 60 Euros in a half hour is still a quick rate if comparing it to what other work there are that can fetch that amount at their age without skills. I have seen Germans show up only on weekends and this would be due to other engagements during the week perhaps another work or schooling if they are young. I have met the Germans that had more difficulty with English and would guess those are the types that lack some education or motivation for it. Few others that had full-time job during the week, and I see them at the club for the weekend to make extra quick money, and some don't show every weekend. And lastly, it's in cash.

[QUOTE=Batou75;1754614]I This year I had only 2 bad session and that was because my own stupidity, imagine experimenting with 4 or more clubs else where. I doubt I would have the same success rate. [/QUOTE]All depends on what you call a good session.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1754853]All depends on what you call a good session.

HB.[/QUOTE]Now that is the 1 million dollar question, and a very subjective one.

I can try to explain.

Good Session, can be done around the 30 min mark or longer, involves a little foreplay, good technical skilled sex. Where there are no shortcuts from your provider, puts down all her skills and efforts. You leave satisfied and you feel that you got your moneys worth. I have a suspicion that this is what more experienced mongers would label as an average session.

Very good session for me is GFE, 1 hour or more, a lot of foreplay, maybe just laying next to each other making out, teasing from both party's, very slow build up, DATY, passionate sex, the technical aspect is not important here, and ends with cuddling and a little talking. At no point is money or time mention in these sessions, it just flows, and ends when you feel it the right time to end it.

Spectacular, will not label these as sessions as time is irrelevant. The bar here is set by my regular escort, I visit 2 or 3 times a year for a weekend or short week. Wine, dine and the whole shebang.

In FKK land, 2 maybe 3 lady's has achieved this. It involves all the GFE elements from above, but add mutual orgasms, makes you achieve an orgasm that leaves your legs shaking and toes curling. It makes you forget time and place the rest of the world just phases out, you lower all your guards and barriers.

On the other hand, pun intended. The strongest orgasm I have achieved has been trough tantric and lingam massage, from a masseuse that has studied this for many years. It leaves your entire body tingling, your legs shaking and your hips raised in the air, it is nothing like sex, just pure sensation. This is something I have experienced only 4 or 5 times in my life. In Berlin, Kashima. De offers this experience.

I think it's very cheap whatsoever, compared to what its cost here in Sweden. You want find any sex here at all for 60 euro. Not even the free sex cost less. LOL.

If I was a sex working girl I wouldn't handle to do that work the girls at Artemis or other "tourist" clubs does, no way, not for that kind of small money.

Just think about to meet all this drunk and drooling men looking like Homer Simpson thinking about donuts. Huuu!

But still, I almost never give tip to the girls. If I should give a tip the session really need to be a wonderful Hallelujah Moment. So to all of you Artemis girls reading here, give me a Hallelujah Moment and I will dig real DEEP in my wallet. LOL.

Once again. What do you guys think about the upcoming "pool party" event? Any thoughts at all? Anyone of you going there? I have never been to such an event and I don't know what to expect with a visit? Maybe more drunk men? I'm not sure if I shall re-book my hotel room from Friday to Wednesday? The whether is expected to be better at Friday.

What is the avg age of the girls at Artemis? Based on what I'm reading of the reports, those that have the age of the girls reported nearby, I would guess good percentage are late 20's? I understand that who are reported makes up only percentage of LU. Any frequenter can give me an idea of the general age range of the girls? What percentage are under 24? Is it expect to be late 20's now? Last time I attended, I met all kinds, but I tend to go with the girls in the lowest 20's region.

Second, I've read somewhere IFA is a big even in Berlin. Is it not recommended to attend during this time? It is the only club in Berlin so I can imagine the place turning into a mad house. Does this even draw a big LU? Is there are duration in the club during this even that the place isn't overly crowded? After this event, does the LU sustain?

What is the estimation of the turnout of the girls on a good night? Which night during the week would have the best turn-out? Is there are particular day of the week that the ratio of girls to boys are the best?

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1754947]Second, I've read somewhere IFA is a big even in Berlin. Is it not recommended to attend during this time? It is the only club in Berlin so I can imagine the place turning into a mad house. Does this even draw a big LU? Is there are duration in the club during this even that the place isn't overly crowded? After this event, does the LU sustain?
[/QUOTE]If you look back at the forum for previous years around that time, then I'm sure you can find some answers.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1754947]What is the avg age of the girls at Artemis? Based on what I'm reading of the reports, those that have the age of the girls reported nearby, I would guess good percentage are late 20's? I understand that who are reported makes up only percentage of LU. Any frequenter can give me an idea of the general age range of the girls? What percentage are under 24? Is it expect to be late 20's now? Last time I attended, I met all kinds, but I tend to go with the girls in the lowest 20's region.[/QUOTE]I was there week ago and there was everything between 20 to 40's. My experience during last week (I don't have age preference so don't take my word for gospel): Average is mid-twenties and upwards during the day and same at the evening. But since lot more girls work at evening (after 18-19) there is lot more selection. Generally if you are into lower end of 20's you'll find something to your taste but don't expect to have all house full of them youngs.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1754947]What is the avg age of the girls at Artemis? Based on what I'm reading of the reports, those that have the age of the girls reported nearby, I would guess good percentage are late 20's? I understand that who are reported makes up only percentage of LU. Any frequenter can give me an idea of the general age range of the girls? What percentage are under 24? Is it expect to be late 20's now? Last time I attended, I met all kinds, but I tend to go with the girls in the lowest 20's region.

Second, I've read somewhere IFA is a big even in Berlin. Is it not recommended to attend during this time? It is the only club in Berlin so I can imagine the place turning into a mad house. Does this even draw a big LU? Is there are duration in the club during this even that the place isn't overly crowded? After this event, does the LU sustain?

What is the estimation of the turnout of the girls on a good night? Which night during the week would have the best turn-out? Is there are particular day of the week that the ratio of girls to boys are the best?[/QUOTE]Great stuff!

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1754947]What is the avg age of the girls at Artemis? Based on what I'm reading of the reports, those that have the age of the girls reported nearby, I would guess good percentage are late 20's? I understand that who are reported makes up only percentage of LU. Any frequenter can give me an idea of the general age range of the girls? What percentage are under 24? Is it expect to be late 20's now? Last time I attended, I met all kinds, but I tend to go with the girls in the lowest 20's region.[/QUOTE]"Mattress Back" Marketa (a very attractive blonde Czech) must have been 27 at least for five solid years in a row hahaha!

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1754947]What is the avg age of the girls at Artemis? Based on what I'm reading of the reports, those that have the age of the girls reported nearby, I would guess good percentage are late 20's? I understand that who are reported makes up only percentage of LU. Any frequenter can give me an idea of the general age range of the girls? What percentage are under 24? Is it expect to be late 20's now? Last time I attended, I met all kinds, but I tend to go with the girls in the lowest 20's region.

Second, I've read somewhere IFA is a big even in Berlin. Is it not recommended to attend during this time? It is the only club in Berlin so I can imagine the place turning into a mad house. Does this even draw a big LU? Is there are duration in the club during this even that the place isn't overly crowded? After this event, does the LU sustain?

What is the estimation of the turnout of the girls on a good night? Which night during the week would have the best turn-out? Is there are particular day of the week that the ratio of girls to boys are the best?[/QUOTE]Bloody hell PL I'm trying to think of a question you didn't ask!! Ever one for a challenge here goes:

Avg age. I'd say 26-30 -.

Yes good percentage are late 20's.

General age as per average above.

19.45876% under 24 on last trip though one girl had her 24th that night so it might be less now! Only jokin! LOL. I'd say less than 20% are under 24 - if you want young girls go to Oase in Frankfurt.

More over 25's than most FKK clubs in my experience though YMMV.

IFA is not until 4-9 Sept so simply avoid those dates. Yes the club would be busier. During the Champions League Final (in Berlin this year there were queues outside the club lasting an hour to get in and guys offering girls hundreds of euros for 30 minutes).

After the Champions League Final the LU returned to normal after a day or so.

I have no idea what turnout of girls there is on a good night but it doesn't matter. If you find 4 or 5 you want to session with you don't need 100.

I rather doubt any guy will have done actual ratios for each day but as with most clubs Fridays and Saturdays are busiest and again in my experience Art is the same. Wednesday is dessous and can be less busy.

Hope that helps. Now. In the same way, I recently asked a question of the most frequent Artemis forum members. Diplomat / Rocketboy etc. Who are your top 5 girls there in the LU at present? Cmon guys share a little!

[QUOTE=SimonRex;1752335]I agree. Staying longer than 30 minutes is tip enough. Overall I think the Art is getting worse. The girls' attitude is getting more rude than before. There are still some rays of sunshine there but they seem to be more and more rare. Even Sasha was grumpy. I think the management needs to take care of this or else they need competition.[/QUOTE]It has changed a lot at Artemis the last years and it is getting tougher for the girls, the price has been the same for some years and the competition between the girls getting customers is very hard. You can see the result of it every day. Sometimes there are only a few men during daytime and more than 50 girls, situations like this is not good for the girls and not for the men as well. The management seems not to be willing to solve this problem with too many girls at all. I do understand why some of the Girls are getting grumpy. And another reason why the girls are getting grumpy are that some men can't behave at all.

At my first visit in 2008 I thought Artemis were a great place, nothing to compare, but now I have changed my mind, it has changed and has become a worse Place. And this it not due to the girls who is very friendly.

I returned to Artemis almost a year after my last visit. There was no really noticeable change in quality of LU since last year in my opinion. I had a repeat from last visit with Vanity from Barbados. Not a talkative girl and not so active but she is quite sweet and it was possible to have a nice relaxed time together. Vanity has got the most spectacular and amazing body I've experienced. Small and tight ass, soft skin, super slim waist and the softest grandiose breasts. Will probably always remember the feeling of caressing those big tits since I have never felt anything so soft and smooth. Vanity later recommended for me Aileen from Hamburg. Dark-haired, beautiful eyes, quite big implants and a well proportioned tight ass. I was a bit too tired for this session to really be present in the moment and enjoy it properly. But Aileen had good technique and I would say that she gave a pretty decent service. Only disappointing session for me was with Virginia from Hungary. Tall blonde woman with big pouty lips and big implants. This girl was a bit rushed and set in her ways trying to go through her programme. Not so flexible or sensitive to input.

I picked Dominicana Liza basically because she looked very hot dancing in the lounge and seemed to be enjoying herself chatting with everyone. Maybe not the best sexual chemistry for me (albeit good and different BJ technique) and did not enjoy the location which was one of the small rooms adjacent to the kino downstairs. Liza however is very outgoing and personable. Could be a good choice for anyone who values the energetic and fun / spontaneous type. Blonde Heather from Moldava has this rather sweet and different look. Resembles a princess, got a little vibe of the film Marie Antoinette or something like that. She did not offer anything beyond the basic for 30 minutes but I still liked the session. She was hot enough to help me get into the right feeling.

I had been eyeing this voluptuous German blonde called Manelle for two days. Had a nice chat with her in the lounge, seemed that she was quite new to the place. Out of all the girls I've met in A this was the one with the most relaxed attitude. Being a tourist I always get the sales pitch within the first two minutes. Manelle didn't even seem to expect me to want to go upstairs. She rather seemed surprised when I proposed it. Quite a contrast from the girl that approached me just before I went to Manelle. After 15 seconds of conversation came the rehearsed and robotic: "I like you, I want to go to the room with you". The smart and genuine girls must have a great advantage in the long run. Manelle was great in the room too, sexy and skilled, nice kissing. I got so into it that I remembered something I'd read (probably in this thread) about someone asking the girl to leave the room and venture downstairs to bring someone up to make it a surprise threesome. I felt nervous asking for it since I didn't want her to feel that she was lacking in any way but she reacted well of course. She brought petite brunette Tessa. Not really my type or anyone I'd picked myself but I guess that was part of the excitement. The girls showed a lot of commitment in the ensuing threesome. Maybe a tad theatrical in moaning and unrealistically quick orgasms on their part. I enjoyed Manelle alot and would recommend her.

On my first day I also had a threesome. Met petite German / Mozambican Valesca and she asked if I'd like to bring in another girl. This was convenient since I also had my eyes on Marisol from Dominican Rep. I was a bit worried considering the many bad reviews of threesomes in FKKs. I turned down the offer of lesbo-show or whatever they call it and choose a plain one hour session. Valesca and Marisol were rather sweet and combined quite well finding different ways of optimizing the effect of them being a duo. Maybe not over the top extraordinary but still very good and the beauty of the girls added a lot to the pleasure.

So on to the very best ones: Debby from Stuttgart with beautiful curly ash-blonde hair. This girl had the ability to within the half hour (felt like we went over) offer both a mix of GFE-feeling and very sexy porn style sex. Finished with COF and then some cuddling. As we were ready to leave I got hard again which she pointed out. I was ready to extend for an additional half hour but she advice against it. She recommended me to come find her again later on instead since it would be more pleasurable for me if I had to pay first. I was impressed with her honest and considerate way, she could have easily just cashed in on the extended session. Unfortunately I couldn't manage to find her free anymore that evening. Very recommendable girl, probably the best service level I've come across so far. And many appealing aspects of Debby; attractive face, tight body, feminine beautiful voice, great techniques and very generous.

I also had the pleasure of meeting Russian blonde Vegas. I noticed her in the stairs but couldn't get eye contact so went after her into the lounge. Sat down in a couch as she got busy talking with a bunch of other girls. As I finally approached her, she seemed very icy. As she gave me her name I vaguely remembered that I had read about her in this thread and that she was supposed to be good. She actually interviewed me to find out if she'd consider going upstairs, rather than the other way around! This was something new to me, but I guess this is the approach for someone that is very popular. She may not have been as present or cuddly as Debby but the kissing was perfect, best BJ technique I've experienced and overall just super sexy. Debby and Vegas were standouts for me this weekend. But the general quality of sessions was pretty high throughout. Maybe I was a bit lucky in my pickings.

Comparing Artemis to the big clubs in Frankfurt, which I visited two months ago, I think Artemis stands well against the competition. The variety of different types of girls and looks is an asset to A. I would also rate A slightly higher than Sharks and Oase for the level of looks and the service given seemed equivalent to me (even though I would need more visits to make a fair comparison).

[QUOTE=TrueNature;1755483]Great report thank you.

I will go Artemis in October, as you been to Frankfurt I saw most beautiful blondes German at Palace, do you think Artemis has that kind of quality?[/QUOTE]I am not so experienced, have only been to Palace two nights. But I would say that Palace and Artemis do resemble each other in the type of line-up of girls. I think the number of women may be greater at Artemis on an average night compared to Palace, so a little more to choose from. And you will see the same type of quite beautiful women and also plenty of pornstar-types. But of course, in Artemis like in Palace the girls will be somewhat older than other clubs and more implants than natural. If you like blondes I would recommend Vegas, Debby and Heather. Debby and Heather I guess are kind of ash-blonde in colour. Vegas has more of the pornstar type of looks if you're into that, with beautiful eyes. I've also been with Cuban Bella last year, don't know if she's still there. She is a bit of a Pamela Anderson look-a-like and gives great service. In Palace I met only one great blonde; called Nikky (Nikki?) who were on par with the best from Artemis I'd say.