FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=Puttex;1762546]Hey,

I am going to Berlin 2 days in September or Oktober and firt I wonder if there are any dates those months that are relly bad going becouse it will be crowded, holiday I Germany or anything else?

And then I am looking for a good hotel walkingdistance from Artemis and I guess its ok and safe to walk there?

Or is taxi the best way?

Thanks in advance and I will let you guys know how it went here after! .[/QUOTE]I have been in Artemis many times and I always stayed in Landmark Eco Hotel and Romantik Hotel Kronprinz. Area is really safe, I used to walk hotel from Artemis at 3 am.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1762346]I figured there would be guys like that in there. Not very pleasant. How would you describe the food there? Do they have good meats? Ha. Are you an advocate of going early in the day and week for a less crowded, less aggressive atmosphere? Or do you like the more selection of women but more crowded atmosphere of late in the day and late in the week?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Food: Eatable. You will probably not get sick. But you would be better off if you left the place and ate a proper lunch somewhere else. Breakfast is OK, if the boring side. You pay for alcohol and the soft drinks are free.

Early vs late: Depends on the girl selection. As in preferred selection. If you fav girl works early then it pays off to head to Artemis around 12:00. However if you have no preference. Around 20:00 is good when it comes to diversity. I always found that early on the selections is bad but due to some of my fav girls working at that time I found the visit worthwhile. I don't find crowded atmosphere to be bad since many the LU is greater too.

Regardless vacation time is always bad for visiting Artemis since so many girls are gone and some of them that drop in in these times have bad service and / or are sharks.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1762884]Food: Eatable. You will probably not get sick. But you would be better off if you left the place and ate a proper lunch somewhere else. Breakfast is OK, if the boring side. You pay for alcohol and the soft drinks are free.

Early vs late: Depends on the girl selection. As in preferred selection. If you fav girl works early then it pays off to head to Artemis around 12:00. However if you have no preference. Around 20:00 is good when it comes to diversity. I always found that early on the selections is bad but due to some of my fav girls working at that time I found the visit worthwhile. I don't find crowded atmosphere to be bad since many the LU is greater too.

Regardless vacation time is always bad for visiting Artemis since so many girls are gone and some of them that drop in in these times have bad service and / or are sharks.[/QUOTE]Should be going in early to mid October. So vacation timing should not be an issue. Thanks for the information. Does the food have meats or is it mostly just sweets and starches and such? Not the most important thing but am curious. Do the men swim in the nude like the women do in the pool? Also is traveling the you bahn or s bahn efficient enough that staying at a hotel in for instance Schoenberg would be manageable? I want to check out the street scene there as well as I have seen some beautiful women in various street videos and pics in that general area.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Puttex;1762546]Hey,

I am going to Berlin 2 days in September or Oktober and firt I wonder if there are any dates those months that are relly bad going becouse it will be crowded, holiday I Germany or anything else?

And then I am looking for a good hotel walkingdistance from Artemis and I guess its ok and safe to walk there?

Or is taxi the best way?

Thanks in advance and I will let you guys know how it went here after! .[/QUOTE]Best two local hotels are Romantik (closest and cheapest) 5 minutes walk or Aspria - 1 minutes walk and great hotel with good gym and spa. 10 minutes walk. I've walked to the Art from these hotels 20 times without any problems. Enjoy and report back.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1763034] Also is traveling the you bahn or s bahn efficient enough that staying at a hotel in for instance Schoenberg would be manageable?[/QUOTE]Plug your journeys into Google maps and you'll get all the timetable information.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1763034]Should be going in early to mid October. So vacation timing should not be an issue. Thanks for the information. Does the food have meats or is it mostly just sweets and starches and such? Not the most important thing but am curious. Do the men swim in the nude like the women do in the pool? Also is traveling the you bahn or s bahn efficient enough that staying at a hotel in for instance Schoenberg would be manageable? I want to check out the street scene there as well as I have seen some beautiful women in various street videos and pics in that general area.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Swimming in the nude yes, but 'I have yet to see any of the girls go swimming.

I visited Artemis again last Friday. I followed the usual pattern and arrived just after midday. This is so that I can spend the day at Artemis. As usual the food was OK, but no more.

The weather was hot and parts of the interior warm and humid. The outside facilities were much enjoyed. On this occasion the inside pool was enjoyed also. I was approached several times by prowling girls, especially in the kino. They did not appear to change the film during the day. One tall girl from Turkey tried hard to get me to a room but her frustration showed in bad temper when I would not go. I went to the room with Gabriel from Poland. I found her looks attractive, cute, nice smooth well proportioned body, good performer in the room. She was of good humour throughout. I saw her with another man later showing the same humour and how cute she was. The heat was effecting my performance and after Gabriel I decided to call it a day as far as going to rooms was concerned. I did hang about a bit more just looking at the fresh talent that was coming in. I saw this girl about 1905 mm tall, beautifully proportioned except for her breasts, which were proportionally smaller with large nipples. I had to go and have another look. Before Gabriel, I had Sheila from Austria. God looking and well proportioned, did well in the room. When I spoke to her later in the day she appeared to be a little less friendly. I left about 7 pm in the evening. I arrived and left at Westkreutz S Bahn station. On the way out I found that the ticket machine would not take coins, so I had to use paper money. Apart from that little difficulty there was no problem. Another good day was had at Artemis. Next time I will come back when the weather is cooler.

Saw this unfortunate news. Anyone know if this is going to happen and when if it does will it take effect? I don't speak German so I cannot do much news research on it. Would the forced condom proposal effect Artemis too?

[URL]http://www.globalpost.com/article/6618371/2015/07/17/germany-sex-worker-id[/URL]

Hi all,

I have almost read all the Artemis threads and thank you all for this, I will without doubt share my first experience with you guys. As a newbie I almost feel experienced in someway, although this is my first time to a FFK club LOL: the.

I would like to add a question tho, so far I learned that you have to talk to the girl and feel chemistry before going to the room. So you buy her a drink and talk to this girl for about 5-10 minutes and then you reject her, saying you don't feel the chemistry to go to the room, wouldn't that be rude? LOL.

Anyway I'm going the weekend 9th, 10th and 11th October, I would be glad if anyone is going, and wants to heads up while inside the club, as I properly will smell like fresh fish ready for the sharks LOL.

[QUOTE=AznNick;1763728]Hi all,

I have almost read all the Artemis threads and thank you all for this, I will without doubt share my first experience with you guys. As a newbie I almost feel experienced in someway, although this is my first time to a FFK club LOL: the.

I would like to add a question tho, so far I learned that you have to talk to the girl and feel chemistry before going to the room. So you buy her a drink and talk to this girl for about 5-10 minutes and then you reject her, saying you don't feel the chemistry to go to the room, wouldn't that be rude? LOL.

Anyway I'm going the weekend 9th, 10th and 11th October, I would be glad if anyone is going, and wants to heads up while inside the club, as I properly will smell like fresh fish ready for the sharks LOL.[/QUOTE]First of all, you don't buy the girl a drink (I mean, you technically could, but it is not customary here). If the girl is thirsty, she just orders a drink from the bar.

Second, you should be able to make your decision relatively quickly based on a short initial chat, especially if you initiated the approach (max 1-2 minutes). If you initiate the approach and the chat continues a long time (e. G. 5-10 minutes or half hour), the girl will rightly be upset with you for wasting her time if the club is busy and you don't take her to the room. Still, you shouldn't go to the room with a girl if you're not feeling good about the way the conversation is going or if you start feeling red flags.

If she initiates the approach, you have a bit more leeway here in my book and you can just let things flow. If you don't initiate the approach, it is she who decided to waste her time chatting with you, not the other way around. Even in that case, however, you are leading her on a bit if you chat with her for 15-20 minutes and don't take her to the room.

Each situation and girl is different. There are exceptions to every rule and everything varies according to the particular situation. If you're a good looking guy that knows how to flirt with the girls and you're a stand-up comedian who is making them constantly laugh, they might enjoy spending an hour with you even if you don't take them to the room. Most guys don't have the personality to pull this off though. Usually, the girls are there to make money.

Just my two cents. Everyone here will give you their own advice which will differ from mine and you'll just have to figure out what works for you. With more experience, you will develop many of your own ways to gracefully exit conversations in kind ways without predisposing the girls to being upset that you didn't take them to the room. Probably not the best idea to say, "Sorry babe, this conversation sucked, not feeling the chemistry. Going to go look for a better chick now. " You'll manage to find much better conversation exits than that.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1763540]Saw this unfortunate news. Anyone know if this is going to happen and when if it does will it take effect?

[URL]http://www.globalpost.com/article/6618371/2015/07/17/germany-sex-worker-id[/URL][/QUOTE]This article seems to suggest that its provisions would go into effect as early as next year if the law is finalized. Very disturbing.

"Under the proposed new rules, German sex workers would have to register with authorities and carry a special identification card with them at all times starting next year. ".

I don't know what is disturbing or wrong.

The problem is in the people's mind. Prostitution is a job as any other. And morality and religion is a way to hide the real nature of the world.

I know prostitution too and I don't think by testicles (or ovaries), such as I don't change my opinion according to the need to have an orgasm.

I am sure that is the best solution to make prostitution with the same respect of any other job and to make prostitution a honest job for everybody.

But in this case, the problem is not a morality or a religion, instead the problem is what prostitutes and pimps want to hide: wealth without paying fiscal contributions to society.

Drug trafficking, from pimps to prostitutes and from prostitutes to customers, since each sex market exists with a parallel market of light and heavy dope.

I am a honest person and I want each person is equal to all other persons. If prostitutes and pimps want to live outside the regular society, then they can't take advantage of social services because that should be deeply unfair for honest people.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1763814]This article seems to suggest that its provisions would go into effect as early as next year if the law is finalized. Very disturbing.

"Under the proposed new rules, German sex workers would have to register with authorities and carry a special identification card with them at all times starting next year. ".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AColonizer;1763829]I don't know what is disturbing or wrong.

The problem is in the people's mind. Prostitution is a job as any other. And morality and religion is a way to hide the real nature of the world.

But in this case, the problem is not a morality or a religion, instead the problem is what prostitutes and pimps want to hide: wealth without paying fiscal contributions to society.

If prostitutes and pimps want to live outside the regular society, then they can't take advantage of social services because that should be deeply unfair for honest people.[/QUOTE]Sorry for editing the post down to the above but I didn't understand why you meant by the rest of it. Prostitution is legal in Germany. The girls pay taxes. The clubs pay taxes. The only people who don't pay taxes are pimps and there are few in FKKs in my experience other than some who are "drivers" for girls and wait outside. They should be strung up not just paying taxes.

As to the proposed new laws: I've posted many times about what I consider to be the wholly unhealthy practice of BBBJ. I know people hate reading anything about STDs on these forums. I think that is just natural defensive mentality against spoiling this hobby (addiction?) for most. Truth is that this practice is not safe. Artemis is one of the best clubs in Germany (if not THE best) for safety in that there is a club doctor who the girls see often weekly if not definitely monthly. They trust the doctor. Most of the girls will tell you that they have never had an STD and they have only seldom come across it in any FKK. However the truth cannot be denied: if a new guy goes into an FKK with an infection and has BBBJ from Girl A, she then passes it to every guy she rooms with that day if she performs BBBJ. The doctor doesn't see the girl after every room! If she sees 10 guys that day she has infected people. Not her fault but she got it off the new guy. Then those 10 guys who got infected go to other FKKs and infect the people they room with and take BBBJ from. It is really quite unsafe. For those reasons, I think a law requiring condoms is right. For oral sex. Girls who (outside of FKKs) demand condoms for hand relief -- oh yes. It happens. Crazy. It is not possible to get an STD other than HPV (which can be caught from any human contact) from hand relief. So condoms for all intercourse and oral are fine with me and would make FKKs almost completely safe. There will be SO many guys reading this wanting to write "I've been doing this for 15 years and had 12000 BBBJs without a problem". That's what people always respond with. Please don't. Consider how silly that is. It's like saying you've lived 50 years and have visited dangerous places and never been murdered. Great for you. What about the one time it DOES happen? Escaping these issues for years does not mean you are invincible. You are not. Let's keep FKKs safe for everyone. If you love BBBJ then go buy Sagami condoms or equivalent online from Japan. No. I don't work for them! There are similar condoms which are. Wait for this 1/6th of the width of human skin. You don't know you have them on and they are so strong and safe despite being so thin. You won't know you've got one on and I can tell you I've never had a girl refuse to allow me to use my own condoms provided they are in the sealed packet first.

As for IDs for the girls? Is it so bad? If it means not one girl is trafficked then its a good thing.

So bad news? Not really. Could be good!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1763900] Most of the girls will tell you that they have never had an STD and they have only seldom come across it in any FKK. However the truth cannot be denied: if a new guy goes into an FKK with an infection and has BBBJ from Girl A, she then passes it to every guy she rooms with that day if she performs BBBJ. The doctor doesn't see the girl after every room! If she sees 10 guys that day she has infected people. Not her fault but she got it off the new guy. Then those 10 guys who got infected go to other FKKs and infect the people they room with and take BBBJ from. It is really quite unsafe. For those reasons, [/QUOTE]You are clearly overstating the risks. If a girl has a cold and kisses 10 different guys that day, it is not 100% certain that each and every one of those guys will get a cold. I've kissed plenty of girls who had a cold and I did not become infected with a cold afterwards.

Same thing with BBBJs. It is not simply enough that a person is infected. There are other factors in place (viral and bacterial loads, strength of immune system, etc). Indeed, the literature supports the fact that even with BBBJs with an infected person, the risk of actually passing an infection on to someone else is still really low. It is not zero, but it is rather low. Even with this low risk, for many types of infection, one can mitigate many of these risks by regular checkups and treatments / cures if something comes up.

There are risks with most activities in life (driving, working, etc). The presence of a risk doesn't necessarily mean that we automatically outlaw that activity, but instead, that we make intelligent choices about the activities we engage in and the risk we are each willing to accept. No one is forcing you to accept BBBJs. It is your choice (not yet at least, unless this law is passed).

In any case, this is not the safe sex thread, but the Artemis thread, so I'd recommend we get back to discussing Artemis.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1763930]You are clearly overstating the risks. If a girl has a cold and kisses 10 different guys that day, it is not 100% certain that each and every one of those guys will get a cold. I've kissed plenty of girls who had a cold and I did not become infected with a cold afterwards.

Same thing with BBBJs. It is not simply enough that a person is infected. There are other factors in place (viral and bacterial loads, strength of immune system, etc). Indeed, the literature supports the fact that even with BBBJs with an infected person, the risk of actually passing an infection on to someone else is still really low. It is not zero, but it is rather low. Even with this low risk, for many types of infection, one can mitigate many of these risks by regular checkups and treatments / cures if something comes up.

There are risks with most activities in life (driving, working, etc). The presence of a risk doesn't necessarily mean that we automatically outlaw that activity, but instead, that we make intelligent choices about the activities we engage in and the risk we are each willing to accept. No one is forcing you to accept BBBJs. It is your choice (not yet at least, unless this law is passed).

In any case, this is not the safe sex thread, but the Artemis thread, so I'd recommend we get back to discussing Artemis.[/QUOTE]Well said. I agree completely. I guess what would be best is to find someone who is adept at German to research Germany's news on this topic. Would it apply to BBBJ's? Would it apply to Artemis. And when? Pretty sad to see freedoms being lost in this way.