German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=Breadman;1329045]My buddy's are going to a concert and will probably spend 200 300 on the tickets, drinks, hotel room etc and they ask me if I want to join them."sorry, no" is the answer. That 300 is better spent in the clubs.[/QUOTE]Hi Breadman,

Everything is relative until you know better, before I knew about FKK, I was willing to pay 300-500+€ for escorts, stripsbar+Lapdance+ladydrink.

Now rather spend money on FKKs. But that doesn't stop me from enjoy other things in life also. Like concerts, restaurants.

Cheers,

Nille

[QUOTE=Nick The G; 1329014]Well, when you were aged 18 to 23, at which girls did you look then? Preferentially you looked at 50 year old women?

Sorry, maybe I missed it in your writing, but [B] Respect [/B] For women is based on what fact?[/QUOTE]Very bizarre question. Do you really have to explain why you respect another human being? I do respect women, all women, including prostitutes, but I would be at pain to "explain" why.

Hi all,

I just want to give everybody some attention to this girl. I have been visiting her in Austria, in Graz. Meet her in a more high classy bar downtown graz. When I came in the bar, she was sitting somewhere in the corner of the bar, and at once she took my attention. The funny thing, she just looked 1 time at me, and I was sold. She is working independent, and my first impression I thought she is a true classy escort. But now it comes. She is not doing escort in the way as we men all expect. She acompany and is doing Russian style erotic massage, but she picks up her clients in bars and so on. So I ended up after a long and interesting talk with her in my hotelroom and I was give a great massage, with an end explosion I never had before in my life.

So anyone who is interesed, give me a pm and I send you some more interesting facts.

I like to share what I had experienced. From my point view, a girl with a very interesting look and way on how todo business.

[QUOTE=Go123; 1329039]Nick,"Sorry, maybe I missed it in your writing, but Respect For women is based on what fact?"

Its a two way thing. I give and get nothing in return so I stop giving a long time ago except when I go to FKK then I give respect.

I get respect back. I don't expect you to understand my plight. I have a distaste for all corporate types not just the corporate bitches!

That said there are a lot of sound guys that work in that environment its just that some of them are assholes. (I'm not implying anything)

Hope this answers your question.[/QUOTE]First of all, what you are experiencing in FKKs is imo typical for someone who is relatively new to the scene. I remember very well my excitement and the overwhelming experience when I entered the FKK-scene for the first time, then visiting Atlantis in Altenstadt in autumn 2002. Or when I found a forum about paysex and I was reading the reports there for the first time. You might guess, almost 10 years later I have a much more differentiated view. Beyond all the iridescent facets of the FKK-Club scene, one thing is true: the FKK-Clubs are like big market places where you always have to pay, first to get in and then at the boothes again, to get some of the delicious apples and peaches.

I often wonder why it appears to be important for men to talk about "respect" in the context of prostitution, when they talk about prostitutes and sex they pay for with women in FKK clubs or brothels. Often the wish to pay respect to others is an indication of a lack of self-respect. Learn to respect yourself and how to grow old in dignity, that is a big challenge and the biggest gift you can give to yourself.

If you are "giving" and expecting something in return, you are not really giving. Because it could be, that below the surface of giving, you are more needing than giving.

I don't want to confuse buying with "giving", o. K?

What you truly and respectfully give to others is like a present. Even if you don't like the thought, nobody has a claim on gifts!

I recommend this book by Chuck Spezzano for reading: "if it's love, it doesn't hurt!"

Or listen to him, for example:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FzMzzJT_LU[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xrlaX99If0[/url]

Since I myself have worked a long time in a very big company, I know the corporate soldiers, both male and female. I even experienced a business unit manager coming from Goldman Sucks.

We all know that we ourselves are good guys! True? But with regards to others, we are not that sure.

And we are pretty sure that there are many assholes out there in this world (located mentally and physically in male or female bodies of others). Some of us even have the wildest dreams about using dirty "assholes". (if you are familiar with Freuds psychoanalysis, you know that "anal" and "money" belong to the same category. The more money involved, the more asshole type of characters will be on that scene)

And that might contribute to explain on a simple base, why "anal" is more expensive than vaginal in FKK-Clubs.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1329193]Very bizarre question. Do you really have to explain why you respect another human being? I do respect women, all women, including prostitutes, but I would be at pain to "explain" why.[/QUOTE]I was wondering why he talks with a lot of disrespect about women in the "normal world", and is full of respect for women from somewhere else in the world he meets in brothels in Germany.

[QUOTE=Nick The G;1329211]I was wondering why he talks with a lot of disrespect about women in the "normal world", and is full of respect for women from somewhere else in the world he meets in brothels in Germany.[/QUOTE]You've made some very astute observations Nick The G. You get guys coming in here talking about "respecting" tutes that suck their nuts and rim their asses, but then they show nothing but disrespect for any other type of woman. Seems to me that if somebody is so bent on "respecting women", then you ought to have that same level of respect all the way around.

And as I have pointed out often in the past, in general "normal society" considers that none of us here "respect" women by mere virtue of the fact that we pay for sex with these poor, abused, enslaved, trafficked women. I clearly don't "buy" normal society's bullshit, but I'm just telling it how sex for pay is viewed by the majority in the "real world".

If you engage in it, then you don't respect the women you pay, you don't respect yourself, and the women don't respect you or themselves either. I know. It's all bullshit. But, I'm just telling it how it is in terms of how mainstream society views prostitution and those who partake in it from all angles.

I wish EVERYBODY, including some mongers here, would just get off of their high horses about who respects women and who does not, and put it on a shelf somewhere. You see, because while you're steady judging everybody else on the matter, somebody else is judging you and concluding YOU don't respect women either Mr. Monger.

Madame Pompadour.

[url]http://www.madame-pompadour.com/[/url]

This is a new club located West of Berlin,

I haven't been there yet, just wondering if someone has visited this club and has some info to share.

The place looks nice. Maybe this could be a new "Villa Vertigo"

NC

[QUOTE=Nick The G;1329211]I was wondering why he talks with a lot of disrespect about women in the "normal world", and is full of respect for women from somewhere else in the world he meets in brothels in Germany.[/QUOTE]Nick I want to first of all thank you for your post, I will listen to the guy you mentioned.

Look its true I do have a chip on my shoulder but I do have integrity and empathy its just it seems to get lost in my every day life where I live.

I am needing you're so right and I have tried to find a partner time and time again.

I can never have the type of Women in my normal life that I can in the FKK.

I know its pay sex but its fulfilling a very important void in my life.

Thanks for the input I must admit to having several large JD's last night so may have come across as a bit of a dick.

Maybe one day I will find the right person and give up my adventures, that would be nice, until then.

[QUOTE=The Cane;1329235]If you engage in it, then you don't respect the women you pay, you don't respect yourself, and the women don't respect you or themselves either. I know. It's all bullshit. But, I'm just telling it how it is in terms of how mainstream society views prostitution and those who partake in it from all angles.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but it isn't all bullshit. It is not either black or white. It's COLOURFUL! And I am not refering to the criminal aspects of the business.

Who needs mainstream society views, as constructed by the media? Our own experience counts! I have my own observations and my own experiences visiting FKK-Clubs over a time range of ten years.

Those of us visiting frequently the FKK-clubs or brothels, who constantly lie to their spouses, children, partners or important others, and use up a lot of time and money just for their own neediness, that's a big flow of disrespect in this world! And this has nothing to do with trafficking, but a lot with emotional abuse.

"splitting"

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_[/url]

(psychology)

[QUOTE=Nick The G; 1329390]Sorry, but it isn't all bullshit. It is not either black or white. It's COLOURFUL! And I am not referring to the criminal aspects of the business.

I have my own observations and my own experiences visiting FKK-Clubs over a time range of ten years.[/QUOTE]From visiting establishments all over the world. That's why I know that mainstream societal views on this subject, although they may not add up to be total bullshit, are mostly just that.

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1329237]Madame Pompadour.

[url]http://www.madame-pompadour.com/[/url]

This is a new club located West of Berlin,

I haven't been there yet, just wondering if someone has visited this club and has some info to share.

The place looks nice. Maybe this could be a new "Villa Vertigo"

NC[/QUOTE]Yeah, looks interesting.

I'll try and go visit in early October. They say they have a lineup of girls but they also accept couples so I don't fully understand how things will work. Someone has to go and have a look. LOL.

At least it's a new place.

Cheers.

Kimino the tourist.

[QUOTE=Kimino;1329541]Someone has to go and have a look.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind that it is not just outside Berlin. It is, according to google maps, a two hour drive on the autobahn. The place definitely has an interesting location but I am not sure that at the moment the line up would be worth the two hour drive. That said I would certainly ride shot gun if Kimino gets a set of wheels.

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1329549]Keep in mind that it is not just outside Berlin. It is, according to google maps, a two hour drive on the autobahn. The place definitely has an interesting location but I am not sure that at the moment the line up would be worth the two hour drive. That said I would certainly ride shot gun if Kimino gets a set of wheels.

AM[/QUOTE]Cool!

You are absolutely right, it's far away. I don't have a clue about the area so reading Schonefeld I thought it couldn't be very far, but it is.

We will talk about it!

Ciao.

Kimino

[QUOTE=Kimino; 1329555]Cool!

You are absolutely right, it's far away. I don't have a clue about the area so reading Schonefeld I thought it couldn't be very far, but it is.

We will talk about it!

Ciao.

Kimino[/QUOTE]Ciao.

I'm sure the line-up is not large or great as Artemis,

But the drive is the novelty of new club.

It should accessible within 2H drive west from Berlin. I'm sure there won't be many tourists in that area. You might be the first one from your country visiting the club, LOL.

For people driving from Denmark the club is actually en route to Berlin.

Nille

Some light competition for Artemis.

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1329627]Ciao.

I'm sure the line-up is not large or great as Artemis,

But the drive is the novelty of new club.

It should accessible within 2H drive west from Berlin. I'm sure there won't be many tourists in that area. You might be the first one from your country visiting the club, LOL.

For people driving from Denmark the club is actually en route to Berlin.

Nille[/QUOTE]