Kyiv

Aynak,

The President Hotel lobby bar is full of hookers from about 10 onwards. For this reason bringing in girls is discouraged but $20 to security will cover that. Have a word with the security guy manning a pedestal desk beside front door first.

The girls who look after the rooms live on the floor level they work on. Some are very pretty and will do the deed for half the price the hookers want.

My point for Ukrainian was not for Kiev as I've pointed out.

If you happen to pass through Lvov or any small city around, just ask any native citizen what he or she thinks about Russia, nothing to be ashamed of or to take personally.

What I've reported is all out of observations and perceptions from a wider angle, I don't intend to influence anyone with my personal thoughts and that's why I've never talked about some really surprising unexpected unpleasent incidents that have taken place in many countries.

Of course this point is worth mentioning in terms of mongering in the right manner.

Otherwise, everything would be so straightforward throughout every location in CIS and we would need just one single forum..

Vegamars,

I can say exactly the opposit thing about Kharkov. If you try speaking Ukrainian in Kharkov, people will think you are a lower class cleaner or something similar from the western Ukraine. Kharkov, Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk and all the big industrial cities east of Kiev are practically 100% Russian speaking.

I really appreciated the discussions on the importance of learning Russian to score with girls.

Can the distinguished members of this forum share your experience on how you learned the language and how long it took you? Any particular programs.

Thanks

In most of hotels in Kiev, you will encounter problem with security when you want to bring a girl into the hotel.

The best option is to rent private apartment. There are so many apartment rental business in Kiev. Some of them give you official receipts for you to use for your business trip.

If you want to rent very nice apartment in the center of Kiev, ask me the phone number. I don't know if I can post the number here.

You're exactly right! The big cities on the east close to the Russian border such as Donetsk, Lugansk, Dniepropetrovsk, Zaporojzhe and Kharkov are much more interrelated with Russian.

Out of these places, especially Dniepropetrovsk and Lugansk are quite interesting and attractive in terms of hot girls.

I learned Russian with Pimsleur. Works great to get started and learn enough to get around.

Chorfa1
I'm not a natural linguist and I found the CDs tough going and pretty boring as a way of learning Russian. I picked up one of the learn Russian books initially and just started learning words that might be useful. By doing this I got my vocab to 300 words fairly quickly or so and found that I was able to understand the gist of a lot of conversations when in EE and make myself understood. After that I started trading language lessons with some Russian friends living in London/Kiev/SPB and this improved my skills better than any other CD or book - it teaches you how to understand Russian speakers at natural conversation pace - Russians and Ukrainians just refuse to speak as clearly or slowly as those guys on the CD. bastards.

PP Tours
What you pay workers and what P4P costs just aren't comparable. I'm a bit bored of people quoting economic stats in relation to punting prices. P4P quoting works both ways - yes the average wage in Ukraine is much lower than other places in Europe/States, but then again the people coming into somewhere like Kiev also have a different frame of reference. An overnight in England costs $800 min, and $1700 is not a surprisingly high quote. With that in mind $2-300 sounds like a bargain - most of the pros are aware of this discrepancy. Pricing for out-of-towners is created by both demand and supply and the expectations of both parties. As long as there are enough people to pay $200 for a session, why should the girls charge less? I get as much out of my clients as I can too.

If you come to Kiev for P4P with the attitude that you'll just pay what you consider to be the appropriate price based on the average wage you'll have a fairly lonely time. You said that "a hundred bucks in Kiev will get you the best software engineer, with a PhD, and not for a night but for a week or two!" - ask him if you can fuck him for that money, and see what his response is!

In answer to your question about what a good night in Kiev costs - $30-40 will give you a great evening out - entry into a club or two, pay for the taxis, allow you to buy a few drinks for you and a new friend or two. You can do it for less, you can spend a lot more - depends what you want to do.

Typical P4P price from River Palace/Moda - $150 as standard - $50 either way depending on the time of the year, number of foreigners around, time of the month (if the girl needs money for rent, she won't blow a chance for a good earner - if she's had two $300 clients the last two nights, why would she screw a tightwad for $100 or less?). This sort of money may get you an all nighter or just a couple of hours - depends on the girl and your negotian skills. Dial in escorts are $70-100 for a couple of hours.

On the other hand the frebbie scene is fantastic if you're prepared to put the effort in and learn how to press the right buttons with the locals. Each country has cultural differences which are worth learning about to get to this aim...which is why talking about these sort of things across the forum is not BS!

Snowy,

You may not be a natural linguist but you are definitely a cunning linguist. Thanks for the info.

I am sorry Snowey, but you are very wrong. Where I live you can get 2 girls for all nighters, in the states. I mean you are more then welcome to pay 300 dollars for an hour or two, but that im my opion is just plain wastefull.

It is very true that Ukraine is a very poor country, but the majority of the wealth is centralized in the capitol. Apartments for sale are about 1200 and 1700 per square meter in the dontown area, sometimes more that. The house I live in cost about the same, and I do not live in a slum. It is in a suburb of a major metropolitian city.

I use to pay about 6 dollars for pussy in Ukraine and they were not pad at all, real GFE. No rush, and they did almost everything I asked forl. This was not a fluke. I use to get that type of service all the time in Ukraine. All thie girls know, that in Kiev, because its the capatial (thats where the money is). and that there arr too many ineestranzi there, that they can pretty much charge what every they want to and people will pay it. At least the torist will pay for it, but. I dont know too many locals that would pay 300 dollars for a couple of hours of pussy. Really, I hear this and I really am in shock that people would actually pay that much money for something like that.

I read the Argientianian boards alot and for top grade pussy (model type), it cost about 150 to 200 pesos. Its like 50 dollars for an hour or too. I understand that the latin women there are hot, and totaly preformers. It really makes me wonder why forieners are so wastefull? I remember I did have sex with some escorts in Kiev a while ago and I though that was expensive. It was about 30 dollars. That was before all the ineestranzi came and destroyed the market. The sex I had was nothing special. I am not sure if it was just my bad luck or what, but I would only rate them as average. Who am I to say anything about it? I am gratefull for the Americians boosting the local economy, because I know that the average Ukrainian knows what its like not to have money, and knows the value of a dollar. Really, thes people can make something from nothing. Anything to improve the standard of living there is fine by me. I have a certian fondness for the people that live there. I just would never pay 300 dollars to anyone for sex, ever and I never will (well maybe if there were Janet Jackson or Penolobe Cruz, I might thingk about it).

Not even in a major city in the US would I pay such prices. Hell, I use to love Amsterdam, but even that is too expensive for me now. Besides, its like a fuck factory there. Most of the girls just want to kick you out after 15 minutes. I can imagine thats what the mentality will be like for the girls, in kiev soon. If people will pay crazy amounts of money for a few hours of sex, even if there is no garrentee that it will be a GFE, then I am afraid that Kiev will be just like other mongering place in westen Europe where the girls try to get rid of you as fast as possible. Its a shame, but if the girls can get it, then more power to them.

Just my opion.

Member2001

We're actually in complete agreement! This is not a local board, and I think most the people who read this forum will not be able to get local prices. I'm not disputing that local prices are more in line with the economy - of course they are - but these prices are not really available to foreigners. I wasn't discussing whether the prices were "correct", I was just saying that these were the prices as this was what the market will pay and that, from the girl's perspective, I understand why they charge as much as they can.

As you said, in Kiev the market prices have been screwed up by increased foreigners coming in, but that is the reality (sorry on behalf of all us to you locals!). I was answering the guys query about the actual prices, and I was trying to point out that to apply a simple economic model based on average wages wasn't realistic. As you mentioned, this is not unique to Kiev - the prices in Argentina are also not in line with the economy and this is true of many other countries (especially the bigger cities).

From an outsider's perspective, I don't think Kiev is screwed up P4P. As long as you need a visa - and that the visa is a pain to get - that Ukraine will not be overrun with foreigners; to understand what it could be like with simpler access go to Tallin and to a lesser extent Riga and Vilnius.

I still say, for the travelling monger, there is no better place to go for quality and opportunity and that without too much effort you'll end with great looking, intelligent and fun ladies with little financial outlay.

As long as there will always be unconscious and desperate mongerers, the prices will eventually increase in a straight upward directions everywhere in the world, no matter what the special conditions are or no matter how poor the economy is.

Ukraine might be poor on the whole, but as in every country there's an uncredibly rich class especially in Kiev.

I've seen many local guys ready to spend thousands of dollars on a single girl, not knowing how their relation would turn out to be.

Though the prices have risen up in the past couple of years and will soon boost up to incredible levels, the good thing about Ukraine and Kiev is that it's still possible to find decent girls ( especially students) for 30-50 bucks for 1-2 hours.

The same prices apply even for some decent agencies like gia ( after a little negotiation and usually after 1st time-- I know that their standard price for 1hr is 60-70 bucks)

There are and there will always be enough ways of exceptions if you're patient enough and this is the good adventurous attractive side of Kiev.

What is more, you've always got the optional freebie scene with the all-time-guaranteed-stable-rate !!!!

Besides the CD's which may or may not work for you, you could try looking at the local universities. Since the Curtain came down, there are more and more foreign exchange students attending local universities and community colleges.

If you contact the local university in your area, say you are interested in learning russian and are there any russian exchange students who they could recommend as tutors.

This does two things. First, it gets you one on one with someone who is fluent in the language and also get you valuable tips on the local customs as well.

This helps you avoid doing something that may be against local customs which could see you go home empty handed or get into
an argument with someone that could end the wrong way.

Learning some of the local language and customs does help open up more doors than it closes because it shows respect. Something they don't see a lot of.

Dear fellow mongers,

I will be visiting Kiev around the 10th of october with a couple of friends, and I would like some informations please. First of all I understand that the best choice is to find a nice appartment instead of a hotel, is uaapartments reliable? I checked but they told me that as we are going to stay only 3 nights they cannot guarantee us the specific apartment. Do you have any other suggestions? (we are looking only for super luxury ones as when we travel, men's only, we want to do it in style).

What about places to go, River palace is top quality for models type girls? Any other? Also I would like to ask about escort agencies reliable, and that girls are really the ones showing on the site., as we would like some action during the day too. or maybe any other suggestions for mongering during the day.

Lastly I would like to know if someone can recommend me trendy and upscale restaurants and bars and also clubs where locals go, not necessarely with pros, but trendy crowds, upscale and with possibility that the ladies may speak english a little, trendy freebies.

Thanks alot for your help, looking forward for my trip and hope to write a full report on my experiences there

George

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Last month I visited Kiev for 3 night I rented an apartment in the center of the city It cost me 50$ a day good quality. My friend's girlfriend rented the apartment for me (She's Ukrainian) I haven't contact. I can give you this web address http: //www. alserent. kiev. ua/ I visited River Palace twice I had only 3 night to spend in Kiev so I preferred go in a sure place. The entrance cost 30 or 50 depend the day, the entrance at week end is more expensive. The place has 3 floor:

Downstairs there is a video bar, the first floor has a disco and some slotmachines, Up stairs there is a casino. The leady are everywhere but especially in the disco. The girls don't approach you, you have to to do the first step. The price starting from 150$.

A girl asked me 250$ but at the end I gave her 150$. River palace haven't bed rooms you have to bring them in your apartment.

I stayed with 2 girls in different days, I paid both 150$ for 2-3 hours. The first one was quite could, but the second one was good, uncovered BJ, french kiss. I went in Disco too, "Caribbean Club" Most of the girls there are no prof. it's very easy to approach them but you need time to go to bed.

Bye