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[QUOTE=Samplerr;1763183]Plug your journeys into Google maps and you'll get all the timetable information.[/QUOTE]If you look on the Bahn map, you notice the ring how the main part of the system circles. Good revelation when I realized that for the first time. You see one map showing a airplane sign(Tegel) with a bus route going to a train station which is part of the ring.
I may go and visit Artemis at the end of this year (first I have a trip to Thailand planned).
Do anybody of you know if there are African or Asian ladies working at Artemis? I checked their website but did not see any "exotic" women there.
Wolvenvacht.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1764219]I may go and visit Artemis at the end of this year (first I have a trip to Thailand planned).
Do anybody of you know if there are African or Asian ladies working at Artemis? I checked their website but did not see any "exotic" women there.
Wolvenvacht.[/QUOTE]Computer says yes.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/search.php?searchid=1236128[/URL]
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1764219]I may go and visit Artemis at the end of this year (first I have a trip to Thailand planned).
Do anybody of you know if there are African or Asian ladies working at Artemis? I checked their website but did not see any "exotic" women there.
Wolvenvacht.[/QUOTE]There are at least two Asian women that have been in Artemis whenever I was visiting except last weekend (one older, 40+, and one younger. Never sessioned with them). Black (African?) women are easier to find. But last time I was visiting (last weekend and July) there was only one present (bad sessions, strange / bad BJ technique and list of extras that other girls do for free).
[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1763978]Well said. I agree completely. I guess what would be best is to find someone who is adept at German to research Germany's news on this topic. Would it apply to BBBJ's? Would it apply to Artemis. And when? Pretty sad to see freedoms being lost in this way.[/QUOTE]I agree with UH that this is really a topic for the Safe Sex forum and not Artemis. However I was responding to a post here about the laws changing in Germany. Which is specific to Germany and not the whole of ISG (which Safe Sex is). Stats suggest Germany is high risk UH's point was entirely fair. It depends on many factors and of course it is always the choice for us all to say we want to use condoms even for BBBJ. I do, but I respect that others prefer not to and take the risk. But the figures here show that in Germany that risk is quite substantial albeit that they are extrapolated figures. [URL]http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/s/stds/stats-country.htm[/URL].
Enforcing the use of condoms is, I agree an interference with freedom of choice. I just wonder if the reason the law is even being contemplated in Germany is a response to very high figures and therefore an attempt to control them.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1764219]I may go and visit Artemis at the end of this year (first I have a trip to Thailand planned).
Do anybody of you know if there are African or Asian ladies working at Artemis? I checked their website but did not see any "exotic" women there.
Wolvenvacht.[/QUOTE]There is a beautiful black girl. Gina. Very pretty and great service. There are several other african girls. Two thai girls as reported by others.
[QUOTE=PayForIt;1763900]Sorry for editing the post down to the above but I didn't understand why you meant by the rest of it. Prostitution is legal in Germany. The girls pay taxes. The clubs pay taxes. The only people who don't pay taxes are pimps and there are few in FKKs in my experience other than some who are "drivers" for girls and wait outside. They should be strung up not just paying taxes.
As to the proposed new laws: I've posted many times about what I consider to be the wholly unhealthy practice of BBBJ. I know people hate reading anything about STDs on these forums. I think that is just natural defensive mentality against spoiling this hobby (addiction?) for most. Truth is that this practice is not safe. Artemis is one of the best clubs in Germany (if not THE best) for safety in that there is a club doctor who the girls see often weekly if not definitely monthly. They trust the doctor. Most of the girls will tell you that they have never had an STD and they have only seldom come across it in any FKK. However the truth cannot be denied: if a new guy goes into an FKK with an infection and has BBBJ from Girl A, she then passes it to every guy she rooms with that day if she performs BBBJ. The doctor doesn't see the girl after every room! If she sees 10 guys that day she has infected people. Not her fault but she got it off the new guy. Then those 10 guys who got infected go to other FKKs and infect the people they room with and take BBBJ from. It is really quite unsafe. For those reasons, I think a law requiring condoms is right. For oral sex. Girls who (outside of FKKs) demand condoms for hand relief -- oh yes. It happens. Crazy. It is not possible to get an STD other than HPV (which can be caught from any human contact) from hand relief. So condoms for all intercourse and oral are fine with me and would make FKKs almost completely safe. There will be SO many guys reading this wanting to write "I've been doing this for 15 years and had 12000 BBBJs without a problem". That's what people always respond with. Please don't. Consider how silly that is. It's like saying you've lived 50 years and have visited dangerous places and never been murdered. Great for you. What about the one time it DOES happen? Escaping these issues for years does not mean you are invincible. You are not. Let's keep FKKs safe for everyone. If you love BBBJ then go buy Sagami condoms or equivalent online from Japan. No. I don't work for them! There are similar condoms which are. Wait for this 1/6th of the width of human skin. You don't know you have them on and they are so strong and safe despite being so thin. You won't know you've got one on and I can tell you I've never had a girl refuse to allow me to use my own condoms provided they are in the sealed packet first.
As for IDs for the girls? Is it so bad? If it means not one girl is trafficked then its a good thing.
So bad news? Not really. Could be good![/QUOTE]Let me clarify something. While there have been documented cases of std being passed to the man, there have not been any documented (or just one) case of a man contracting HIV when receiving a bank. So while the threat is low I. E. Not zero, the instance is so low as it has yet to happen. So, take your choice. For some, it is ok for bank and others not. It is the choice of the individual.
[QUOTE=MarlboroRed;1764545]Let me clarify something. While there have been documented cases of std being passed to the man, there have not been any documented (or just one) case of a man contracting HIV when receiving a bank. So while the threat is low I. E. Not zero, the instance is so low as it has yet to happen. So, take your choice. For some, it is ok for bank and others not. It is the choice of the individual.[/QUOTE]Who's talking about HIV? HIV doesn't get passed from oral sex.
It's the other STD's that one has to worry about from BBBJ, and despite mongers generally sticking their heads in the sand. Is a very real issue.
[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1763808]First of all, you don't buy the girl a drink (I mean, you technically could, but it is not customary here). If the girl is thirsty, she just orders a drink from the bar.
Second, you should be able to make your decision relatively quickly based on a short initial chat, especially if you initiated the approach (max 1-2 minutes). If you initiate the approach and the chat continues a long time (e. G. 5-10 minutes or half hour), the girl will rightly be upset with you for wasting her time if the club is busy and you don't take her to the room. Still, you shouldn't go to the room with a girl if you're not feeling good about the way the conversation is going or if you start feeling red flags.
If she initiates the approach, you have a bit more leeway here in my book and you can just let things flow. If you don't initiate the approach, it is she who decided to waste her time chatting with you, not the other way around. Even in that case, however, you are leading her on a bit if you chat with her for 15-20 minutes and don't take her to the room.
Each situation and girl is different. There are exceptions to every rule and everything varies according to the particular situation...[/QUOTE]UH thank you for the info, I will try remember this, however it will properly be the wrong head thinking if its a very cute girl LOL.
But yes I will try to catch if there is a wrong feeling after a few minutes, usually I can judge by a girls smile and kindness.
[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1764695]Who's talking about HIV? HIV doesn't get passed from oral sex.
It's the other STD's that one has to worry about from BBBJ, and despite mongers generally sticking their heads in the sand. Is a very real issue.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. I am not sure why mongers are SO defensive about this. Every time anyone posts anything about risk they get rounded upon as if they'd committed a crime! It's simple this. There are STD risks in receiving and / or giving oral sex and exchanging bodily fluids. The risks are not that high. But they are increased if you or the person with whom you are sharing bodily fluids have multiple sexual partners. Both monger and sex workers in FKK fall into that category. I'm not being holy and virtuous here: I am a monger! I simply responded to a post suggesting a new law in Germany which will make condoms a requirement and I said that it is likely to be a reaction to large STD figures in Germany (which is true and the highest in Europe). I agree it's an interference with personal choice. But it is also probably sensible to reduce risks. I didn't mention HIV at all. Which requires unprotected intercourse to be passed in nearly every case. Which is not relevant in an FKK.
Anyway. As UH says. Let's get back to hearing how you guys are doing in the Art. Which girls are you enjoying and why. With or without the condoms!
Do anyone of you know if Artemis or any other club around Berlin, grant you free entry on your birthday. Would be good to know as my birthday matches my travel dates to Berlin!
[QUOTE=AznNick;1764761]UH thank you for the info, I will try remember this, however it will properly be the wrong head thinking if its a very cute girl LOL.
But yes I will try to catch if there is a wrong feeling after a few minutes, usually I can judge by a girls smile and kindness.[/QUOTE]Girls' smiles are fake.
Nah, just kidding. Lots of guys are loitering around small lockers and stairs and observing guys that have been just in a session. If he is happy = girl gives good service.
I know couple of punters that swear by this tactic. I personally think that if girl works well for someone else it doesn't mean that you two will click with her. The only advice I can give is to avoid optifucks. I swear any girl that I went with because of her looks turned into a bad session.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1765167]Do anyone of you know if Artemis or any other club around Berlin, grant you free entry on your birthday. Would be good to know as my birthday matches my travel dates to Berlin![/QUOTE]Artemis doesn't do that. So you better have those 80 euros ready when you enter or you'll be exiting pretty fast.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1765167]Do anyone of you know if Artemis or any other club around Berlin, grant you free entry on your birthday. Would be good to know as my birthday matches my travel dates to Berlin![/QUOTE]Unfortunately, Artemis doesn't grant free admission at your birthday.
[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1764695]Who's talking about HIV? HIV doesn't get passed from oral sex.
It's the other STD's that one has to worry about from BBBJ, and despite mongers generally sticking their heads in the sand. Is a very real issue.[/QUOTE]Fair enough, and for some the risk is acceptable, and for some not. I am in the not camp, but I do not want to infringe on some else fun as it does not have any effect on me.