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Ok, I was not trying to compare Michelin star restaurant waitresses to the FKK girls, but even at casual dining places like cheese cake factory, or macaroni grill, or pf changs, etc, glassdoor numbers or other data show they make 30 to 35 k or more on average. To get to $30 k which would be low 20 ks in euro, depending on the exchange rate at the time, an FKK girl has to make about 100 euro a day whle working 5 days a week, 52 days a year, net of her entry fee. I guess that's doable and of course the popular girls do a lot more. But it just seemed to me that there are also a lot of girls who don't get even a couple of sessions a day, which just goes to paying for their own entry fee.

Of course, I don't deny their costs are low if they lived in Romania, but then again, if they lived in Romania for six months and in Germany for six months, they need to make 200 a day net of entry fee, to get to the same income.

My point is just that the rates are pretty cheap in Germany. For example, in San Fran strip clubs like Mitchell Brothers, while prostituon is not officially legal, most dancers are willing to give a quick blow job, but they rush through it so much, less than 10 minutes really, and for that you have to fork over 250 to 350 dollars, depending in how hot is the girl. Even a simple lap dance costs 50 bucks or more in there, and a hand job is nearly 150.

[QUOTE=Dufey;1701548]Not everyone wants to rent a motor vehicle or like to drive (in a foreign country) or some people like the convenience or like mostly because they want to drink alcohol.[/QUOTE]Having driven only manual transmission two times in the past 10 years, the foreign experience in the last three years has increase my proficiency. That's an expensive 30-60 EUR beer. To each his own.

[QUOTE=Frozty;1701921]Plus, World is not the easiest place to find if you are unfamiliar. Even with GPS.[/QUOTE]First time is always unfamiliar but with planning that first time does not mean having to get lost.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;1702728]Some have to go to extremes to keep the secret. Two weeks ago, a girl from Sharks who had already been working there for some time, told me that she was taking the following weeks off to work in a restaurant in Frankfurt. The restaurant owner had agreed to engage her for 2 weeks at no pay, but she gets to keep tips, in exchange for telling her parents when they visit her this week what a good waitress she had been over the last one and a half years.

She told me this as she wanted me to go to that restaurant on a specific night when her parents would be dining there, show recognition of her, and ask her whether she remembered what I used to order when I frequented the restaurant last year. In exchange, she promised me a free session when I next visit Sharks after Easter. She will be following her family back to Romania for Orthodox Easter celebrations.

I teased her by asking how many additional free sessions I could get in exchange for not turning up that night asking her why she had moved from Sharks to that restaurant![/QUOTE]People just have to make bigger and more lies to cover another one, which is sad, yet we all do.

So you agree on this deal? Sounds quite interesting though. I would pass on that night for the girl if we are friends, it should be a very unique experience. But since she asked you for this special favor, I assume you know each other well and she trusts you.

What I did the girl I mentioned, was just remain silence and let her finish the call, and in return I got some really warm and wet kisses LOL.

I would have helped her even for no return favours just to see what she looked like and behaved in a normal situation, but could not oblige as I am stuck in Switzerland for the whole of April.

She might well have persuaded another of her regular customers to help out, as she does have quite a few. I read a post listing her as not present at Sharks recently, so she is probably already working at the restaurant.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1702768]Ok, I was not trying to compare Michelin star restaurant waitresses to the FKK girls, but even at casual dining places like cheese cake factory, or macaroni grill, or pf changs, etc, glassdoor numbers or other data show they make 30 to 35 k or more on average. To get to $30 k which would be low 20 ks in euro, depending on the exchange rate at the time, an FKK girl has to make about 100 euro a day whle working 5 days a week, 52 days a year, net of her entry fee. [/QUOTE]The restaurants that you mention are busy chains, so I imagine these waitresses would be on their feet all day. Comparatively, sex workers get to sit a lot more and are on perpetual "smoke break". Don't get me wrong. I am not saying sex work is easy. But I believe that once the WG overcomes her inhibitions, she loses her emotional attachment to the act of sex. Things she once considered nasty are now mundane. In some clubs, I have to hold my breath while walking through the locker room. But guess what? These men still all get laid!! Customers all have different demands. Some may just want to kiss the entire thirty minutes. Some may want thirty minutes of non-stop BBBJ or fucking. Some come after 5 minutes. Some men like to stay multiple hours in the room, but spend a good portion of the time talking. I fall in category three if it is my first or second pop of the day. And category two if it is my third pop of the day. So only about 33% of the time am I physically demanding for a girl.

Also I think you and I would both agree that 20 K EUR per year is the absolute low range. Any WGs who are making less than that should have the common sense to quit FKK work and return to Romania or improve their German and get a job as hotel receptionist in downtown Frankfurt..

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Of course, I don't deny their costs are low if they lived in Romania, but then again, if they lived in Romania for six months and in Germany for six months, they need to make 200 a day net of entry fee, to get to the same income.

[/QUOTE]The cost of living in Germany is negligible because they are migrant workers. They work long shifts and six days a week, so they don't have time to spend any money while in Germany. Sleeping overnight in Germany costs them between 0 EUR and 20 EUR per night if they choose to sleep in the club. Some girls never leave the club while they are in Germany. For one to three months at a time, that is probably manageable. Any longer and the FKK club would probably feel like a prison. Or their handler rents a small flat for 500 EUR a month and multiple girls sleep there (distributing the costs). Under that scenario, they only travel between that flat and the FKK club.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1702768]My point is just that the rates are pretty cheap in Germany. For example, in San Fran strip clubs like Mitchell Brothers, while prostituon is not officially legal, most dancers are willing to give a quick blow job, but they rush through it so much, less than 10 minutes really, and for that you have to fork over 250 to 350 dollars, depending in how hot is the girl. Even a simple lap dance costs 50 bucks or more in there, and a hand job is nearly 150.[/QUOTE]Not officially legal = illegal and American prices reflect that risk. Note how much more expensive American porno queens are to rent compared to the equivalent in Europe.

[QUOTE=Faceless78;1702661]Once I was in the room, the girl received a phone call, she answered, it was her mother. After 5 mins chat, she explained to me she had to call her mother around this clock, since it's the time she supposed to leave work from a "restaurant". And if sometimes music's too loud, mother would ask her to drink less, leave the club and go home early, blabla. I don't know how the girl could keep a secret for more than one year, or the mother just pretend not to know anything.
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[QUOTE=Faceless78;1701595]I've seen few times they crying at the corner of garden or in the toilet or while making phone calls. I feel sorry too.
[/QUOTE]I've seen girls crying at Oase. I remember a Ro girl I repeated many times at Oase long ago. She was young, 20 yrs old, and I believe new to the business (Usually these types of girls used to approach me for some reason). I remember her approach was a bit shy and seemed a bit nervous about approaching strangers for sex (which I can imagine). I was quite fond of her, as in the room, she was a sweetheart. She had her mother's picture on the phone, told me she misses her family and etc. Get all sad. She said she has to call her mother often. Another girl at GT had a picture of her BF on her cell, and got call from her friend, and her girl friend (who also works at GT) was crying that she got hit by her BF. I could hear this girl crying real loud. Another time, a girl at Oase I've seen crying outside talking to somebody on the phone, and supposedly a client tried to finger her even though she told him not to, and wouldn't pay up. I went with her prior to this incident and she was a sweetheart. And of course the girl that was crying at Oase because her BF fucked her, and took her money.

Just some random stuff I've run into.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1703066] Another girl at GT had a picture of her BF on her cell, and got call from her friend, and her girl friend (who also works at GT) was crying that she got hit by her BF. I could hear this girl crying real loud. Another time, a girl at Oase I've seen crying outside talking to somebody on the phone, and supposedly a client tried to finger her even though she told him not to, and wouldn't pay up. I went with her prior to this incident and she was a sweetheart.

Just some random stuff I've run into.[/QUOTE]Talking about BF thing, I don't really like to take girls with BFs outside, no matter it's true love or a kind of fish thing. I just feel uncomfortable and I give up several for this reason; and I also know a girl in samya beaten up by her boy, yet I didn't see her crying, she didn't come to work for nearly 2 weeks, when she came back I closely checked if there are any scars left; another time in the room, the girl asked me if she can pick up a call from home, I said of course. It started normal, though I didn't understand any romanian. Yet later it turned serious, I can feel the anger and upset though I still didn't understand anything. She suddenly began to yell out very loud and scared me to shit. If someone happened to pass by I bet he will break in to check if anyone is killed. It lasted for more than 15 minutes, and after that girl began to cry but refused to tell the reason. So all I could do was hug her and say some meaningless words to comfort her.

Also some random stuff I've run into.

[QUOTE=Faceless78;1703088]Talking about BF thing, I don't really like to take girls with BFs outside, no matter it's true love or a kind of fish thing. I just feel uncomfortable and I give up several for this reason; and I also know a girl in samya beaten up by her boy, yet I didn't see her crying, she didn't come to work for nearly 2 weeks, when she came back I closely checked if there are any scars left; another time in the room, the girl asked me if she can pick up a call from home, I said of course. It started normal, though I didn't understand any romanian. Yet later it turned serious, I can feel the anger and upset though I still didn't understand anything. She suddenly began to yell out very loud and scared me to shit. If someone happened to pass by I bet he will break in to check if anyone is killed. It lasted for more than 15 minutes, and after that girl began to cry but refused to tell the reason. So all I could do was hug her and say some meaningless words to comfort her.

Also some random stuff I've run into.[/QUOTE]How to know the girls have BFs before going to the room? Do you mean you don't repeat the girl with BF? If a girl has BF, is it affect her performance in the room?

Speaking of boyfriends, I asked this one girl at Oase (who was at Sharks a year ago) why she left and moved to Oase, and she said something about liking it at Oase better yadda yadda. I followed up with, are you still friends with xxx, a girl at sharks that she used to hang out with. She said "no, she was not that nice to me, I was friends with her only because my boyfriend was friends with her boyfriend, and of course I had to be nice to her". I knew what she meant, but I asked "so you do have a boyfriend, huh". (In the past, she had told me she did not have any boyfriend). I guess she realised she said a little too much, and promptly clammed up, and pretended like she did not understand me anymore.

[QUOTE=NicMan;1703152]How to know the girls have BFs before going to the room? Do you mean you don't repeat the girl with BF? If a girl has BF, is it affect her performance in the room?[/QUOTE]Hah, of course I won't bring such an inappropriate question during the first meeting. So the info comes from the chat later on or other familiar girls in the club, usually by accident, since it's not a popular topic in clubs. So you are right, I don't repeat. And it's nothing about performance, I just don't have too much interests in girls who are others' GF or wife, both in real life or in FKKs. If I have to find a certain BF is nothing more than a fish, this negative feeling grows even fast. One girl I know for 2 years has no personal savings, everything goes to her dear man in the city.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1703215]Speaking of boyfriends, I asked this one girl at Oase (who was at Sharks a year ago) why she left and moved to Oase, and she said something about liking it at Oase better yadda yadda. I followed up with, are you still friends with xxx, a girl at sharks that she used to hang out with. She said "no, she was not that nice to me, I was friends with her only because my boyfriend was friends with her boyfriend, and of course I had to be nice to her". I knew what she meant, but I asked "so you do have a boyfriend, huh". (In the past, she had told me she did not have any boyfriend). I guess she realised she said a little too much, and promptly clammed up, and pretended like she did not understand me anymore.[/QUOTE]That's usually the case, most girls will bring up the topic and tell you she has a man outside there, it cuts customers' interests. As a result, sometimes girls will even lie when you ask for another girl's info, like mentions by accident your favor girl has a 5-years BF waiting, she was really sick last week, or she doesn't wash after session sth etc.

[QUOTE=NicMan;1703152]How to know the girls have BFs before going to the room? Do you mean you don't repeat the girl with BF? If a girl has BF, is it affect her performance in the room?[/QUOTE]Could have seen photos with her BF on facebook. Some girls talk quite openly about having a BF or being married. There was a girl at Oase years ago, when she had a BF she wouldn't kiss. So whenever she was single she new I'd take her to the room because she kissed.

Girls in a happy relationship often give less than girls who are single. But that's not a rule, I've had great session with married girls, even outside the club.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1703304]Could have seen photos with her BF on facebook. Some girls talk quite openly about having a BF or being married. There was a girl at Oase years ago, when she had a BF she wouldn't kiss. So whenever she was single she new I'd take her to the room because she kissed.

Girls in a happy relationship often give less than girls who are single. But that's not a rule, I've had great session with married girls, even outside the club.

HB.[/QUOTE]Perhaps I get some personal issues with married girls, just lose all the interests all in a sudden. Once knew a young one in the bar, chatted, drunk and went to her house. When I noticed the pic of she and a man in wedding dress on the wall, I woke up and left, though she's quite my type.

Are there any airport ATMs that give decent exchange rates? I usually go to a bank to get my Euros but I am arriving late next month. Dus Airport.

Would it be OK in general to arrive at an FKK running / jogging? Meaning arriving a hot and sweaty mess in skimpy florouscent clothes. They have showers and clean change of clothes when you arrive. Seems like a great way to get in a run while on vacation. Just want to make sure I wouldn't be violating dress code or something and get turned away at the door. Does anybody ever do this?