Makati

[QUOTE=Goferring;2915841]It's not 100% but bare is still the default in the PI. The only girls that I've had insist are the hard core pros who are churning through a mountain of guys per day or girls who are trying to pisss me off so that I will throw them out early.

It's so common that I don't even ask first nor include it deal breaker discussions. That's pointless anyway as I've had many girls insist within earshot of friends, mamas etc and then mysteriously forget when back in the room.

Note that some will insist on no CIP but if you are happy to pull out, then that's not an issue. Expect her to get furious if you make the promise and fail to keep it.

20 years ago it was even more ubiquitous. You must have found the only girl in the country who knew what a condom was. 😜.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I've seen this condom discussion pop up a few times. Condom is not even a word there. Basically I've never been refused BB in Philippines, Vietnam or Thailand, certainly not in the Philippines. If you look and smell clean and dick looks normal you will be fine. Been coming to Philippines over a decade, never used a condom. Be cautious though with girls outside of bars as no medical checks. Granted the checks are not western quality, but its something. Way back 15 years or so when I started there Greenbelt was the thing and picked up many a girl there, until some buddies caught STD's. From then on I've used bars only with no issues. I love how when I say to them, honey your probably taking a risk doing BB all the time. These are my regulars, oh honey I only do BB with you, never with guys I don't know. Hehehe. Yeah but how many guys do you know. None are using them, the hardcore pros maybe, but 99% of them no.

[QUOTE=ThreeInches;2915905]These girls in and around the Makati / pasay / BGC area on the telegram / whatapp groups seem to request a condom more than other areas. Usually Street freelancers will ask and I shrug my shoulders and dive in but telegram and whatapp girls explicitly state this on their ads has been the trend. I automatically filter these out if they say that most likely service will also be shit.[/QUOTE]I see the exact same ads, messages, whatever. Almost every time I have asked what the bareback price, I get quoted a price. Or I tell them I'm ready to meet, but no condom. 90% of the time they say ok, or pull out. Rarely had a girl in the past 3 years who insisted.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2915851]Yes you will get BBFS. All the time without issue. Its still not worth the flight from the US though, especially for a week. AC is a shit hole, women are overpriced (USD 80-100) and not that pretty. Manila has prettier girls but at $200/ night is it worth the travel? The best fun is with non pros but as a one week visitor you will have limited success. However, if BBFS sex at any price with average girls is enough for you, then sure, you will find it in spades. I have been to the Phils dozens of times since 2005, fucked hundreds of women and used a condom exactly 0 times. That includes bar girls, non pros, semi pros, etc etc.[/QUOTE]I agree with what you've said Expat. Yes, AC is a shithole and I haven't been there that much, but it works out well for me with business trips to the PH. By the time you add up hotel prices, lady drinks, bar fines etc. You could probably stay at home and see a hooker for the same price.

However, over my travels I've built up a fairly good contact list of girls in the Philippines and usually have it sorted out in advance in every city I go to for work.

As I've mentioned a number of times on this forum, I don't really do the typical bar scene. Sourcing the friends and relatives of hotel security guys, taxi drivers etc. Has been a great way to operate and I've got loads of hotties who I message prior to arriving. I pay them accordingly for their services without having to compensate employers. And there's only one in Makati who insists on using a condom every time, but she's amazing and the dual shower beforehand and afterwards definitely makes up for a bit of 'rubber' use. Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2916223]

As I've mentioned a number of times on this forum, I don't really do the typical bar scene.

Phil.[/QUOTE]Skipping the bar scene really opens up a lot of other opportunities. I regard myself as a Cheap Charlie and also not a great fan of bar fines, especially AC's 100% prepaid bar fines. Hence, the 10 k saved on Walking Street or Burgos can be put to good use elsewhere. A good girl will say thanks for a 5 k meal and a naughty girl will appreciate that 5 k for services rendered without having to split it with anyone.

I'd agree with your comment that gogos aren't always the best place to get laid and certainly not the only. With all the online and independent options now, that even applies to the their traditional market, the two day warriors in town on business.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2915845]I think most gents on the board will tell you that Filipinas generally don't ask for or require a condom. However that doesn't mean that you won't run into that. You can eliminate those that do want one by questioning them before the deed. [/QUOTE]One AC gogo girl, 15-ish years ago, insisted on one after we got to the hotel room. It caused an argument and she left shortly thereafter (no joy). A gogo girl in Cebu made a bit of a fuss once, but she quickly gave up the fight. Several province girls have mentioned it. "We should Durex?" I said no and they never brought it up again. Its very rare that a girl sticks to her guns (or even mentions a condom), especially if discussed in advance.

Pictured: My new H-CVM (Highly-Carbonated Vaccine Mix).

I'll be visiting Manila for a few days for the first time (staying in makati).

I'm not a bar kind of person and don't want to spend lots of hours (and money) trying to pickup a girl. Typically, in other countries, I like to goto brothel type places where I can quickly and easily go in and pick a girl (or schedule in advance) and have a clean place to go with the girl. Doing some research on Manila, would massage parlors make the most sense? I'm not actually interested in the massage part though.

I typically like a young attractive local petite girl that has some energy. BBBJ is required, BBFS or CIP or CIM is a bonus.

In the US, it usually costs me around $140 give or take so ideally I'd like to keep it below this.

I'd appreciate any recommendations.

[QUOTE=Enphl;2916725]I'll be visiting Manila for a few days for the first time (staying in makati).

I'm not a bar kind of person and don't want to spend lots of hours (and money) trying to pickup a girl. Typically, in other countries, I like to goto brothel type places where I can quickly and easily go in and pick a girl (or schedule in advance) and have a clean place to go with the girl. Doing some research on Manila, would massage parlors make the most sense? I'm not actually interested in the massage part though.

I typically like a young attractive local petite girl that has some energy. BBBJ is required, BBFS or CIP or CIM is a bonus.

In the US, it usually costs me around $140 give or take so ideally I'd like to keep it below this.

I'd appreciate any recommendations.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, PI does not have a massage++ scene like Thailand etc. If you search back a few posts you'll find the same question was asked with a few replies.

Contacting individual girls online can indeed be a sinkhole of time and false promises. However, with your tastes and budget, the online outcall / brothels may be the way to go. Most let you sort by preference, have a rating system and may even let you contact her directly to finalise what you want. Prices are 7-30 k.

Good luck. G.

Had an interesting experience recently I thought was worth sharing with the forum. I am based in the area but only occasionally indulge in the pleasures of Burgos street (not out of lack of interest mind you, but more due to restrictive personal circumstances). I had not been on the strip in quite a while and after a stressful day at work went out for a few beers and ended up at Iron Horse, which I had never been to before and was curious to check out. I was only there for an hour or so and shot some pool before calling it a night. I wasn't interested in anything more than a bit of fun and flirting while getting buzzed.

Overall the time I spent there was great for my purposes at the moment. I think I was the only customer (was there pretty early), there were lots of friendly ladies (though admittedly not lookers) loitering around and with nothing else better to do than pay me attention while we played different variations of pool and other silly games. I even managed to keep all of them occupied without succumbing to an egregiously overpriced round of lady drinks, so also left with my wallet intact.

When I decided to call it a night, I got the bill and paid, and just as I was leaving an apparition from the past instantly materialized while I was trying to walk out the door. A girl I think I had last seen at Nautika over 2 or 3 years ago. She jumped in front of me and asked if I remembered her, and I said of course, how are you, had some brief chit chat and explained I needed to head out. She asked if she could get my whatsapp (as we all know, for the usual purposes of either pestering you for money, convincing you to come to the bar, or to meet with you outside with no barfine.) I was happy to oblige and left immediately afterwards.

Lo and behold, over the next three days I was contacted not only by her, but by another girl I think I had only seen 4 (years ago, with messages requesting money for the grandmother's hospital expenses etc. And then finally by the ex-mamasan of Nautika, who I guess is now perhaps involved in running things at Iron Horse. The last was particularly irksome, as I had blocked her previously and not returned to Nautika in 2-3 years because of how she had ripped off my credit card on an occasion previously described on this forum. She had the audacity to send me a gcash request for payment despite me not responding.

So, what are the takeaways? (1) Bargilrs are very good at their jobs, remember who you are, and will strike at any opportunity to use you as an ATM function if they think there is any possibility at all (duh). (2) The Burgos street bars are closely knit together and you can be sure that most of the people working there are speaking with each other and trading insights on potential marks (hey. Can't blame them, it's their job!) (3) A repeated warning for the forum regarding that ex-mamasan of Nautika and apparently current mamasan of Iron Horse (not sure if she is still working for both) - it's obvious she orchestrated the entire outreach with a very obvious objective in mind. So just be careful out there.

[QUOTE=Idiot182;2917546]..So, what are the takeaways? (1) Bargilrs are very good at their jobs, remember who you are...[/QUOTE]Not only the bar girls, the bars themselves.

Years ago, I lived in a one industry town, everyone knew each other and the bars would let residents or frequent sales reps etc build up a bill and clear it every few days. It was very common for someone to leave town, not having finalised their outstanding bill, return later, only to be presented with an old faded bill for payment before drinks would be served.

Old patrons would be remembered by name, company and outstanding debts after being away literally years.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Enphl;2916725]I'll be visiting Manila for a few days for the first time (staying in makati).

I'm not a bar kind of person and don't want to spend lots of hours (and money) trying to pickup a girl. Typically, in other countries, I like to goto brothel type places where I can quickly and easily go in and pick a girl (or schedule in advance) and have a clean place to go with the girl. Doing some research on Manila, would massage parlors make the most sense? I'm not actually interested in the massage part though.

I typically like a young attractive local petite girl that has some energy. BBBJ is required, BBFS or CIP or CIM is a bonus.

In the US, it usually costs me around $140 give or take so ideally I'd like to keep it below this.

I'd appreciate any recommendations.[/QUOTE]In USA $140,really? Oh please please tell us all where that is. I know guys who will have sex with drugs addict's who are nasty and they pay more than that. I travel allot here especially Vegas. The Bunny Ranch out there those girls $1500 and up and they are not even cute. In town some hotties. Will approach me $2000 and up. This would be the best kept secret ever, as I would stop going half way around the world immediately!. My tickets next month to Manila over $2000. I could have a ton of fun here for just the cost of my plane tickets. A few providers here in large cites I've seen their girls, yuk! If these girls are young and cute with BBBJ, BBFS, CIP, or CIM what a dream this would be, even 200 bucks or less would be awesome. Please PM me or post for all other board members stuck here in this pussy prison.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2917665]Not only the bar girls, the bars themselves.

Years ago, I lived in a one industry town, everyone knew each other and the bars would let residents or frequent sales reps etc build up a bill and clear it every few days. It was very common for someone to leave town, not having finalised their outstanding bill, return later, only to be presented with an old faded bill for payment before drinks would be served.

Old patrons would be remembered by name, company and outstanding debts after being away literally years.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Fair point and a funny anecdote! Just to clarify however as I can see it might be ambiguous from my previous post. I owed nothing, to anyone. I am just a generous guy, apparently this is known (so be careful of the reputation you build up), and the gcash request was simply fishing for an additional tip, for no services rendered I guess.

[QUOTE=Idiot182;2917729]Fair point and a funny anecdote! Just to clarify however as I can see it might be ambiguous from my previous post. I owed nothing, to anyone..[/QUOTE]Sure, my focus was more in the debtor being remembered after years away, than the debt itself.

Actually, the money was of no consequence. The bar knew he would be back sometime to sell his widgets, and if he wanted to drink or entertain customers, then the debt would be cleared first.

[QUOTE=Idiot182;2917546]Overall the time I spent there was great for my purposes at the moment. I think I was the only customer (was there pretty early), there were lots of friendly ladies (though admittedly not lookers) loitering around and with nothing else better to do than pay me attention while we played different variations of pool and other silly games. I even managed to keep all of them occupied without succumbing to an egregiously overpriced round of lady drinks, so also left with my wallet intact.[/QUOTE]Hi Idiot,

Kudos for getting out of there without succumbing to an overpriced round of lady drinks. I realize we're dealing with a relatively poor economy here, but sometimes you just want to have a beer or three and just relax before exploring other options. From my experience, if you hit a bar when the doors open, the girls and the Mama will swarm you like flies on shit. Newcomers can definitely get their wallets drained pretty quickly via fruit juice lady drinks. Phil.

Going to be in the Alabang area in a couple weeks for work for almost 2 weeks. Been reading the forum, lots of good info.

I was in the area 12 years ago and didn't know anything, still managed to hook up with each masseuse the hotels sent me after a little flirting, each was only like 1 k-2 k and the exchange rate was worse back then, bare everything of course. I was taken to one bar, but have no idea where, and managed to get info of one smoking hot girl who ended up back at my place for an overnight, think I paid like 2 k, plus 750 for the cab in the morning. Shit was nuts, in a great way LOL.

Been on pinalove, but agree it's too early now and that seems like more work than it's worth. Thinking I'll have to take myself to Makati to scope out the bars there, maybe make it to Lips one night (or a couple). Idk maybe I try the hotel massages again, that worked great though I'm not as young as I once was, probably thinner and better looking tho so there's that LOL.

Anyway, ID appreciate any advice folks may have, looking to get PM authorized here soon, but let me know if you're up for a PM. Would love to have some civi contacts lined up before I travel, which I know is a ask from a first time poster so no worries. Been pooning at home for 2 decades now so I know what's up and how to treat girls, so I'm sure I'll manage on my own again if need be. Wish I knew about ISG on my first trip, LOL oh well. I'll for sure share my report when I get back.

Started with dinner in the filling station, cool restaurant. Went first to Champaign and paid a few drinks to the door girl. Nice bar with a small dance routine. During the dance a strip pool crashed. That was funny (nobody got hurt). What I did not like in this bar is that the LD wich cost 390 or so was only for just. If the girl wanted alcohol it was some ridiculous amount. That was the first time I experienced that. The cute door girl wanted to have 8 k for short time only, so I moved on. Next stop was Nautika. Was only one other customer at approx 9 pm on Tuesday and all the girls run therefore to me. Decided for a skinny small girl, who was 22 and from a small beach town. Here Tequila shoots were the same amount for LD of 390. Had a good time with her in the club. Could touch and lick pritty much everything. She would have given a blow job right in the bar. Took her home (barfine and 5 k for her). We had some fun in the hotel room. She had to shave herself since she wasn't barfined for a while according to her. After that we went together to Neon Nights (a dance club with pool tables) to party a bit. Great place to dance. She stayed with me until 11 am in the morning and we had sex for 2 more times and two more blowjobs. She did but so much efforts in her blowjobs, shallowing until she had to gag; I was very impressed. Perfect night in Manila.

Funny note: I'm not circumcised and that was a new experience for her. She said that she likes that a lot because in that way girls won't get pregnant. What happened to sex education in the Philippines?