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[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1138599]Wonder how this will change the face oc AC and the prices?
Cheers! [/QUOTE]To EKspat
You know that will open up the new market for newbie and high roller, that will jack up the price for everyone more customer less girl.
Fast Eddie 48
I just finished typing the other part up. If you were there that afternoon, about sundown, you would know this harsh conversation. Three white american gents were sitting at a table near the street.
Few hours later I walk over to HT to see if they are there and buy them a drink. They are not there. I sit at the bar and order a drink. After a few minutes of chat, everything in the bar gets quiet. I look at the far end of the bar, near the street, and the cashier / mama and another lady are staring at me. Every girl in the bar is staring at me. Jesus something's wrong. Tall / ugly has come out of the back and she's staring also. Mama / cashier comes walking over (she brought me a drink two minutes ago) :
Mama: why you do that?
Me: do what.
Mama: make them girls do that.
Me: you are arguing for them? They are standing right there. If they have a problem, I am sitting right here. They are big girls?
Mama: why you make them do that? [the other woman at the far end of the bar, mid-30's, attractive, dressed well, too nicely, glaring holes into me]
Me: you sure you want to be the one to speak for the girls? I'm not sure what you're talking about, but they can speak for themselves?
Other woman far end of the bar: Answer her. Why did you make the girls do that?
Me: please be quiet ma'am. Or identify yourself.
Other woman: I am the owner of this bar. My name is Cassie.
Me: tell me Cassie, if you are the owner of the bar, why the girls told me in my room that the owner is away in Australia. And a man. Are you the owner?
Cassie: yes I am the owner.
Me: why are you letting the mamasan argue for these girls? [I walked to her end of the bar]
Cassie: sorry that. My mistake. I am the owner. I want to talk to you. Why did you make them do that? And why did you take their picture?
Me: they agreed to it. All of it.
Cassie: they tell me they did not.
Me: I came in last night and asked that one (pretty). She went and got this one (ugly). Said they are sisters and are 'comportable' to each other. I warned them not to do it.
Cassie: they say they not agree to that.
Me: I warned them last night and I walked away. They txt today and ask again. You want me to show you the txt?
Cassie [to the ugly one]: is it true? You say you did not discuss it with him before.
[no response from ugly]
Cassie: ANSWER ME!
The girl starts to chat bisaya.
Cassie: STOP! Speak English for the customer to hear it! Use your big words you're not child!
[ugly tears up in the eyes]
Cassie: Well?
Me: I warned them 3 times its not a good idea for sisters. Last night here in the bar. Again today in the bar.
Cassie [to ugly]: Is true? Talk to me!
Me: Also in the room they tell me you are a man. And you are in Australia. Are you the owner? Or is the owner in Australia?
Cassie: No I am the owner.
Me: so they are liars? Also I asked them 3 times in the room that we should come here and speak to the mamasan. They tell me she is just cashier and cannot refund. Is this true?
Cassie [to ugly]: is it true? Did you tell him that? Did he ask you to come back here?
[no response]
Cassie: Did the girls give you money?
Me: yes.
Cassie: You should give it back to them.
Me: sure. You will agree to refund the barfine then. Everyone's even. Also in the room I ask them 3 times to take the money back and come here to chat the mama.
Cassie. Thinking about this.
Cassie: No. Let them suffer for this. They both did this.
Me: I will keep the money then. No real service performed.
Cassie: And the pictures. You delete them. Its illegal to take a naked picture of Filipina. I can call the police.
Me: Never heard of that before. But the girls could be confused as paid models. They agree to it in the bar.
Cassie [to ugly]: its true?
[no response from ugly]
Cassie: [to ugly] we talk it before. You remember? Last week when you get here we talk about it. Never agree to any customer request if you still in the bar! You know that! When you agree to some things in the bar for that customer room you obligate yourself and the bar to it. Maybe I have to send other girl to complete if you cannot? You hear me?
At that point Cassie turned her attention to a small book, a ledger of some kind. She was standing right next to me. I think that was her way of saying she was done with the matter.
Me: we done here?
Cassie: yes. Delete them pictures. Don't come back to my bar.
Me: should not be a problem. The place is filled with liars.
I walked off, a bit shaken from the experience, and I forgot to pay for the drink.
[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1138989]I just finished typing the other part up. If you were there that afternoon, about sundown, you would know this harsh conversation. Three white american gents were sitting at a table near the street.
Few hours later I walk over to HT to see if they are there and buy them a drink. They are not there. I sit at the bar and order a drink. After a few minutes of chat, everything in the bar gets quiet. I look at the far end of the bar, near the street, and the cashier / mama and another lady are staring at me. Every girl in the bar is staring at me. Jesus something's wrong. Tall / ugly has come out of the back and she's staring also. Mama / cashier comes walking over (she brought me a drink two minutes ago) :
Mama: why you do that?
Me: do what.
?
/
You were lucky and unlucky.
Its amazing how girls can turn on you here. They can set you up and cause you a lot of trouble.
And anything a foreigner does is illegal if someone complains.
And the police and the filipinas will extort money from you.
Now cassie maybe the owners wife and the owner is austrailian.
I know him and he seems like a good guy and reasonable.
But the women can and will push and plot against you and its easy for them to be tricked by their own people and employees.
The girls will tell a story and once the mama son or owner hears the story they believe it and then you are at
A total disadvantage.
I don't walk on eggshells but I know I am a foreigner and that there are two laws here.
Corrupt and dishonest. One law for foreigners and one law for filipinos.
If they ever call the cops on you be ready to fork out big bucks no matter how right you are.
Fortunately it does not happen too often.
It could have been a lot worse.
I have never had a problem at honky tonk but then I don't go there very often and only go when the owner is there.
And talk to him.
Never to his wife so I don't know the whole story about the ownership and who runs the place and how much he
Allows his wife to do what she wants. But sounds like maybe she understood the girls were telling lies?
I would never argue about if its legal or not legal as they will make it illegal if they want to by lies.
But you do have to tell them the girls were willing and agreed to everything.
There are many good and willing girls but if any girl hesitates I just let them go and count it as a roll of the dice.
And take it as a loss.
Are you still in angeles?
Hi there Ekspat.
I hope they don't have the credit card problems many people report with Cebu Pacific. I have given up on booking online myself with Cebu but that does not stop me paying a travel agent extra to get me there.
I think there will be more mongers but not significant for us to notice, it's a buyer's market and if the tourist increase, so will the girls.
[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1138599]Wonder how this will change the face oc AC and the prices?
Cheers! [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1138989]I.
Cassie: And the pictures. You delete them. Its illegal to take a naked picture of Filipina. I can call the police.
Me: Never heard of that before. But the girls could be confused as paid models. They agree to it in the bar.
Cassie [to ugly]: its true? [/QUOTE]This is true. They passed a law in the Philippines. Its against the law now to take pictures of girls without their permission. Especially naked.
So if they lie and say they did not give permission and you don't have a signed release. You could be in trouble. Which in the PI means. Big pay off.
[url]http://jlp-law.com/blog/primer-on-the-anti-photo-and-video-voyeurism-act-of-2009-ra-9995/[/url]#more-1455
[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1138989]I just finished typing the other part up. If you were there that afternoon, about sundown, you would know this harsh conversation. Three white american gents were sitting at a table near the street.
Few hours later I walk over to HT to see if they are there and buy them a drink. They are not there. I sit at the bar and order a drink. After a few minutes of chat, everything in the bar gets quiet. I look at the far end of the bar, near the street, and the cashier / mama and another lady are staring at me. Every girl in the bar is staring at me. Jesus something's wrong. Tall / ugly has come out of the back and she's staring also. Mama / cashier comes walking over (she brought me a drink two minutes ago) :
Mama: why you do that?
Me: do what.
Mama: make them girls do that.
Me: you are arguing for them? They are standing right there. If they have a problem, I am sitting right here. They are big girls?
Mama: why you make them do that? [the other woman at the far end of the bar, mid-30's, attractive, dressed well, too nicely, glaring holes into me]
Me: you sure you want to be the one to speak for the girls? I'm not sure what you're talking about, but they can speak for themselves?
Other woman far end of the bar: Answer her. Why did you make the girls do that?
Me: please be quiet ma'am. Or identify yourself.
Other woman: I am the owner of this bar. My name is Cassie.
Me: tell me Cassie, if you are the owner of the bar, why the girls told me in my room that the owner is away in Australia. And a man. Are you the owner?
Cassie: yes I am the owner.
Me: why are you letting the mamasan argue for these girls? [I walked to her end of the bar]
Cassie: sorry that. My mistake. I am the owner. I want to talk to you. Why did you make them do that? And why did you take their picture?
Me: they agreed to it. All of it.
Cassie: they tell me they did not.
Me: I came in last night and asked that one (pretty). She went and got this one (ugly). Said they are sisters and are 'comportable' to each other. I warned them not to do it.
Cassie: they say they not agree to that.
Me: I warned them last night and I walked away. They txt today and ask again. You want me to show you the txt?
Cassie [to the ugly one]: is it true? You say you did not discuss it with him before.
[no response from ugly]
Cassie: ANSWER ME!
The girl starts to chat bisaya.
Cassie: STOP! Speak English for the customer to hear it! Use your big words you're not child!
[ugly tears up in the eyes]
Cassie: Well?
Me: I warned them 3 times its not a good idea for sisters. Last night here in the bar. Again today in the bar.
Cassie [to ugly]: Is true? Talk to me!
Me: Also in the room they tell me you are a man. And you are in Australia. Are you the owner? Or is the owner in Australia?
Cassie: No I am the owner.
Me: so they are liars? Also I asked them 3 times in the room that we should come here and speak to the mamasan. They tell me she is just cashier and cannot refund. Is this true?
Cassie [to ugly]: is it true? Did you tell him that? Did he ask you to come back here?
[no response]
Cassie: Did the girls give you money?
Me: yes.
Cassie: You should give it back to them.
Me: sure. You will agree to refund the barfine then. Everyone's even. Also in the room I ask them 3 times to take the money back and come here to chat the mama.
Cassie. Thinking about this.
Cassie: No. Let them suffer for this. They both did this.
Me: I will keep the money then. No real service performed.
Cassie: And the pictures. You delete them. Its illegal to take a naked picture of Filipina. I can call the police.
Me: Never heard of that before. But the girls could be confused as paid models. They agree to it in the bar.
Cassie [to ugly]: its true?
[no response from ugly]
Cassie: [to ugly] we talk it before. You remember? Last week when you get here we talk about it. Never agree to any customer request if you still in the bar! You know that! When you agree to some things in the bar for that customer room you obligate yourself and the bar to it. Maybe I have to send other girl to complete if you cannot? You hear me?
At that point Cassie turned her attention to a small book, a ledger of some kind. She was standing right next to me. I think that was her way of saying she was done with the matter.
Me: we done here?
Cassie: yes. Delete them pictures. Don't come back to my bar.
Me: should not be a problem. The place is filled with liars.
I walked off, a bit shaken from the experience, and I forgot to pay for the drink. [/QUOTE]Taking nude pictures and carrying them with you is illegal with or without consent, where both you and the girls can get in trouble. Anyway, you are lucky nothing bad happen to you besides being shaken. If the girls have friends there and are already there long enough to acquire friends you can be in serious trouble if their boy friends get involved.
Sorry for the late report. I was in AC last week for 3 nights. Arrived late the first night, too tired, so went to bed. Call my favorite girl MC the next morning. I had met her on my previous trip in November. I picked her from Alaska and she was the most GFE girl I have ever met plus she got dripping wet very fast, so you can figure out how much fun we had, and she was the reason I visited AC this time. She was going to take off from work and we were going to spend the whole time together. Well #$.3 days before I arrived she had Appendicitis and was operated on. She took a trike to my hotel and one look at her, I could tell she was very sick and in great pain. The trike ride must have caused her great discomfort. She told me she was sorry and to look for other girls. I gave her some money and got a trike to take her home.
That night, I went to several bars, didn't find anything until about midnight when I entered Las Vegas. A dancer caught my eye and I asked her to have a drink. Her name was Rogie. 20yo, quite tall and good looking. As we were talking, another dancer sitting by herself on my other side started talking to us. After a while, I also offerred her a drink. What was amazing in my last 2-3 trips to AC, the girls all had only one drink the entire night. Not one asked me to buy a second drink! Anyway, I had a great time chatting with both girls and it was hard to choose. I finally settled on Rogie because I chose her first. Although this was not the reason, her BF was 2000p. The other girl's (I forgot her name) BF was 3000p. So we went to Paradise to eat something and then to my hotel room. By now its 3 AM. Well, Rogie was beautiful with a gorgeous body but would not give BJ. So the night was nothing home to write about. Nevertheless, I enjoyed her.
The next night I went to several bars again. I got to Honeypot at about 9 PM and saw Lian dancing. I called her over and bought her a drink. We talked for about an hour. Then I BF her for 1500p. I also took her to Paradise to eat, then head to my hotel room. Like Rogie, Lian. 21yo, has a gorgeous body, slim with a nice rack. She gave me a BJ but was not skillful. I had to tell her what to do. Her attitude was good. But she also did not give GFE.
I had a chance to talk to both girls after our session and before we went to sleep. I always want to know how they lost their virginity, how they got into the business (both came from Southern Philippines) , how much they were paid, etc. Just curious. The girls were very frank. They were not trying to get money or sympathy out of me. They were contented with what they were doing because both had other jobs before and the pay was one-tenth of what they were earning now. However, they were still paid very little. I wrote down the details as I am very forgetful but on the last day, I was pick-pocketted inside a jeepney (see last paragraph). So I can't remember how much they were paid daily (I want to say 150p) for dancing, about one-third of a lady-drink, and Lian got 600p from the 1500p BF.
I know some of you will think I picked bad choices because their skills were not good, but I just like the young inexperienced type as long as they have gorgeous looks. Both lost their virginity (both were drunk at parties, no different than the West) less than 2 years, and orgasmed in their shy muffled way with I liked. But I still wished I had MC for the whole trip. Well, I am planning to go back soon.
I took a jeepney from MacArthur to SM about 11 AM on the last day. I was always careful about pickpockets. They had tried on me in Rome, Madrid, Mexico City and vietnam. All had failed because I was alert. This time. 3 or 4 guys got into a nearly empty jeepney and sat very near me. I was the first one inside so my right pants pocket was protected by the driver's cab divider and my left pocket was vulnerable. They quickly got in close to me and I felt being pressed by the guy on my left. The guy on his left handed a 100p note to me to pass to the driver (the fare was 8p). So I was waiting for the driver to return the change and probably lost concentration. As soon as I returned the change, a guy directly across from us bent towards me and "supposedly" picked up a dropped one peso coin from the floor, started laughing, cleaned the peso and handed to the driver. Then suddenly, they all left the jeepney. I did not realized I was picked until I go down at SM and felt my left pocket zipper opened (all my traveling pants have zippered pockets). I lost a few hundred pesos with a money clip and a piece of paper with all my notes on good AC hotels and restaurants that I checked out and note on the girls. My wallet was in my right pocket so I was just thankful and relieved I sat in the right (as in correct) side of the jeepney. Oh well, chalk it to experience.
Sorry for the long report. Attached are their photos. I was going to post their topless photos but someone' recent post said that it's illegal? Too bad.
Great post funman13.
For jeepney's. I always try to sit in the front seat next to the driver if its empty. Avoiding the Pickpockets.
While its illegal to take the pic's WITHOUT consent. Once you are out of the country. They can't do anything.
If the girl complains when you go back. Then it could become an issue. Most don't look at this site though. And at that point all you'd have to do is request its removal. I assume the moderator's would oblige
Personally I like pic's with clothes just as much as without.
[QUOTE=Funman13; 1139172], about one-third of a lady-drink, and Lian got 600p from the 1500p BF.
I took a jeepney from MacArthur to SM about 11 AM on the last day. I was always careful about pickpockets. They had tried on me in Rome, Madrid, Mexico City and vietnam. All had failed because I was alert. This time. 3 or 4 guys got into a nearly empty jeepney and sat very near me. I was the first one inside so my right pants pocket was protected by the driver's cab divider and my left pocket was vulnerable. They quickly got in close to me and I felt being pressed by the guy on my left. The guy on his left handed a 100p note to me to pass to the driver (the fare was 8p). So I was waiting for the driver to return the change and probably lost concentration. As soon as I returned the change, a guy directly across from us bent towards me and "supposedly" picked up a dropped one peso coin from the floor, started laughing, cleaned the peso and handed to the driver. Then suddenly, they all left the jeepney. I did not realized I was picked until I go down at SM and felt my left pocket zipper opened (all my traveling pants have zippered pockets). I lost a few hundred pesos with a money clip and a piece of paper with all my notes on good AC hotels and restaurants that I checked out and note on the girls. My wallet was in my right pocket so I was just thankful and relieved I sat in the right (as in correct) side of the jeepney. Oh well, chalk it to experience.
Sorry for the long report. Attached are their photos. I was going to post their topless photos but someone' recent post said that it's illegal? Too bad. [/QUOTE]Most bars split the BF 50-50 with the ladies. 1500p- BF the ladies get about 700-750p, LD are about the same split also. The only thing the bars don't split are your own drinks.
When you ride a jeepney, regardless of whether you are surrounded by men or women (yes, they will pick you also). Try to keep everything in one pocket. If any sit real close to you, then what I do is simply reach into my pocket with my hand and hold on to my stack of pesos, also this will block anyone from picking it.
No, as far as I know you can post any photos you like. Have you seen the photo section lately of several countries here, the only thing missing from some of the photos are the girls tops but everything else is shown.
FZ
My friend told me about his encounter on the jeepney, too. He was going back to Fields from Perimeter. He went on a empty jeepney and all of a sudden 4 pinoys came on followed by a Japanese guy with his girl. One of the guys was staring at him and making eye contact as to tell my friend you better look the other way or else. Their target was the Japanese guy. My friend got off so he didn't know what happened but you can imagine what they did to this poor guy. Just have to be careful out there. Sometimes its not worth it to save a few cents.
I took a jeepney from MacArthur to SM about 11 AM on the last day. I was always careful about pickpockets. They had tried on me in Rome, Madrid, Mexico City and vietnam. All had failed because I was alert. This time. 3 or 4 guys got into a nearly empty jeepney and sat very near me. I was the first one inside so my right pants pocket was protected by the driver's cab divider and my left pocket was vulnerable. They quickly got in close to me and I felt being pressed by the guy on my left. The guy on his left handed a 100p note to me to pass to the driver (the fare was 8p). So I was waiting for the driver to return the change and probably lost concentration. As soon as I returned the change, a guy directly across from us bent towards me and "supposedly" picked up a dropped one peso coin from the floor, started laughing, cleaned the peso and handed to the driver. Then suddenly, they all left the jeepney. I did not realized I was picked until I go down at SM and felt my left pocket zipper opened (all my traveling pants have zippered pockets). I lost a few hundred pesos with a money clip and a piece of paper with all my notes on good AC hotels and restaurants that I checked out and note on the girls. My wallet was in my right pocket so I was just thankful and relieved I sat in the right (as in correct) side of the jeepney. Oh well, chalk it to experience.
Gents, thanks for the responses. The place can be wild, can't it?
As to the pics. Cassie was right. When I left there, I went and hit google. There was recently a passed RA filipine law regarding taking nude pics of filipina (not pinoy however). It makes illegal taking such pics without the girl's permission, or for the purpose of using them as porn-for-sale. The very next morning in the back of the newspaper, as I'm reading it at Kok's, is an article about the law. Seems a dentist in Manila was taking pics of his female patients after he knocked them out with pentathol, and was selling them. Hence the law she was talking about.
In the room, I handed the camera to the pretty girl (she was the one who was not upset) , and asked her to delete them. The fugly one had asked me to delete them. Pretty would not delete them, she was still trying to get me to keep them in the room and proceed. I put the camera in front of ugly on the desk and told her to delete them, but she did not. I asked pretty if she wanted to delete them again just before we left, but she did not.
Bundanko, I will PM you with some info regarding the pix. Maui, I was only there a few days.
At least one of you wrote that the mama had figured out the girls were lying to her originally about what had happened. That's true, and she berated the girls for it in front of everyone. She said, at one point, to ugly-girl:
"You see? Its easy to lie when the customer is not here. But now tell me what happened in front of the customer. I want to see you do it." The girl did not respond, she just got red in the face.
I think its also important to talk here about differing policies of the bars. Cassie's comments to the ugly girl were very specific about 'obligate the bar' to what the girl says she can do (while the girl is still in the bar with the customer). One of the things I left out was Cassie's telling the girl to remember it was ok to promise things once they left the bar, and then nobody was obligated to do it.
[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1139291]Gents, thanks for the responses. The place can be wild, can't it?
As to the pics. Cassie was right. When I left there, I went and hit google. There was recently a passed RA filipine law regarding taking nude pics of filipina (not pinoy however). It makes illegal taking such pics without the girl's permission, or for the purpose of using them as porn-for-sale. The very next morning in the back of the newspaper, as I'm reading it at Kok's, is an article about the law. Seems a dentist in Manila was taking pics of his female patients after he knocked them out with pentathol, and was selling them. Hence the law she was talking about.
In the room, I handed the camera to the pretty girl (she was the one who was not upset) , and asked her to delete them. The fugly one had asked me to delete them. Pretty would not delete them, she was still trying to get me to keep them in the room and proceed. I put the camera in front of ugly on the desk and told her to delete them, but she did not. I asked pretty if she wanted to delete them again just before we left, but she did not.
Bundanko, I will PM you with some info regarding the pix. Maui, I was only there a few days.
At least one of you wrote that the mama had figured out the girls were lying to her originally about what had happened. That's true, and she berated the girls for it in front of everyone. She said, at one point, to ugly-girl:
"You see? Its easy to lie when the customer is not here. But now tell me what happened in front of the customer. I want to see you do it." The girl did not respond, she just got red in the face.
I think its also important to talk here about differing policies of the bars. Cassie's comments to the ugly girl were very specific about 'obligate the bar' to what the girl says she can do (while the girl is still in the bar with the customer). One of the things I left out was Cassie's telling the girl to remember it was ok to promise things once they left the bar, and then nobody was obligated to do it. [/QUOTE]Sounds like you still had fun. Did not get hurt, sick or go to jail.
Good to have some adventure. Makes life more interesting.
Now I may be strange but I do try to see what the girl will do and is willing to do. And I like to know before I take her what.
She will do. But I still think of it as only paying for her time. And then whatever else happens is between consenting adults.
So I do get burned sometimes and don't get what I really want.
But I hope that I do an interview before and can detect those things. Of course can not always tell.
Still if the girl is a runner then I may be inclined to tell the bar.
But I am also looking for more longer term girls so I am willing to gamble more or wait and see the girl in the bar a few times before I take her. Longer term to me is 3 months or longer or even one month.
I know some of you will think I picked bad choices because their skills were not good, but I just like the young inexperienced type as long as they have gorgeous looks. Both lost their virginity (both were drunk at parties, no different than the West) less than 2 years, and orgasmed in their shy muffled way with I liked. But I still wished I had MC for the whole trip. Well, I am planning to go back soon / quote/
I think its great. You can chose who you want and if you are happy with your choice then you are lucky / blessed and no worry about what anyone else thinks. I go for the girls that have good attitute (spelling?)
And of course young and new is better but depends on all the variables.
And its an idividual choice for me.
Angeles has great variety of girls fo the chosing. By the way I am happy to keep MC wet for you until you get back.
Hahah joking.
Enjoy while you can and who you like.
[QUOTE=MauiDude;1139336]Enjoy while you can and who you like.[/QUOTE]You absolutely right, MD. If we all liked just one type, what would the million other little varieties do? A wonderful old Irish saying says "there's a cover for every kettle".
[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1138989]Cassie: [to ugly] we talk it before. You remember? Last week when you get here we talk about it. Never agree to any customer request if you still in the bar! You know that! When you agree to some things in the bar for that customer room you obligate yourself and the bar to it. Maybe I have to send other girl to complete if you cannot? You hear me?[/QUOTE]On my first day in AC I did not confirm what the girls would do while in the bar and did not get the "experience" I had hoped for. On my last days I not only confirmed while in the bar, but made it a point to tell the owner (or mamasan if the owner was unavailable) what they had promised before I paid the EWR. This way everyone was clear on expectations and promises. I will follow this practice from now on, and would recommend others to do the same.