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[QUOTE=Irony Monger;1139724]On my first day in AC I did not confirm what the girls would do while in the bar and did not get the "experience" I had hoped for. On my last days I not only confirmed while in the bar, but made it a point to tell the owner (or mamasan if the owner was unavailable) what they had promised before I paid the EWR. This way everyone was clear on expectations and promises. I will follow this practice from now on, and would recommend others to do the same.[/QUOTE]There is no iron clad rule on if they will perform according to their statements and such. It may work sometimes and other times not. Stuff like this is going to happen because they figure even if they don't they'll probably get paid and what do they got to loose? Trying to figure out ways to get what you want from really poor and desperate people, is always going to be difficult. I may go back to the club or give less if they didn't follow through as said, but you know what? I'm not going to take it too far. We're guest in their country. You got to remember that. We are far more vulnerable there. Don't become a statistic.

I know a lot of us will argue for the principal. I'm one who will do so most of the time, but sometimes it's not worth going too far. These people are poor. They're less educated, and they got less to loose. Remember that. They could get their revenge back at any of us in so many ways. I know a lot of people think they're invincible to that stuff, but all you have to do is read up on people getting killed here.

In regards to Westcoast's experience, if I got my money back from them, I don't think I would have gone into that bar again on this trip. They made it good for him, in regards to the barfines, and I would have called it the day with them. I think they tried to send a message. Then he came back in and now it was on, because they tried to save face and said what they said earlier. I don't care if the boss / manager eventually agreed with him in the end. It would have been different if they didn't give the barfines back maybe but they did. You have to understand where they're coming from some and know the situation. They sounded like they tried to comply with the original requests and one realized she couldn't. Why go back when she was emotional already? I think Westcoast is lucky that they didn't try anything to return a payback.

I once had to deal with a woman who was frisky and very open in the bar and promised the world. I barfined her and it went to hell once back in the room. She went cold fish and refused to shower or really do anything. I told her to leave then. I asked for her half of the barfine so I didn't have to ask for the whole deal in her club. She refused and wouldn't leave until I promised not to go back to her club. I wouldn't make that deal with her. She refused to leave. I had to get security to take her out of my room and she's screaming at me to not go back to the club. Well I did as I was on my last night as it was. And I was looking behind me constantly. In the end, I don't think it was worth it to worry about the barfine and such so much in regards to my livelihood which is I believe worth more, but I went for the principal and tried to defend what our expectations here. I did get the barfine back by the way as she told the mamasan a lie that they actually could prove she was lying.

Another thing about Westcoast's experience. That one woman was hesitant from the start and she was new. For me, I would have dropped it and moved on. I would love to have a sister thing work like that, but if she wasn't into it and I could see it, it's not worth the potential hassle for me. I know hindsight is 20/20, but really if I'm getting a bad vibe, I don't go for it as I'll kick myself for not listening to my gut and being wrong.

[quote=poopbunny; 1139067]hi there ekspat.

i hope they don't have the credit card problems many people report with cebu pacific. [/quote]i booked a flight about 30 days ago and didn't have any issues. what kind of problems were you having?

[QUOTE=Irony Monger;1139724]On my last days I not only confirmed while in the bar, but made it a point to tell the owner (or mamasan if the owner was unavailable) what they had promised before I paid the EWR. This way everyone was clear on expectations and promises.[/QUOTE]I usually do so when I buy a car.

I recall having a similar problem when I tried to book my flt via Cebu Pacific from Manila to Cebu. After several attempts and having the transaction declined, I went to my bank and spoke with an officer. What I was told was that because it was an overseas transaction and a large amount, that for my protection they would not approve the transacton. During my visit they did something to my account which allowed the transaction. All this for $50. 00 something dollars. I guess what I am saying is that if you are having problems booking with the airlines, then go to your bank and they should be able to resolved the problem for you.

[QUOTE=Rtpman;1139810]I booked a flight about 30 days ago and didn't have any issues. What kind of problems were you having?[/QUOTE]

I just wanted to add that before I go overseas, I always, always go to my bank and tell them that I am going overseas frm departure date to arrival date. They always note that to my account so that I do not have problems with my bank card while traveling.

[QUOTE=Boricua;1139979]I recall having a similar problem when I tried to book my flt via Cebu Pacific from Manila to Cebu. After several attempts and having the transaction declined, I went to my bank and spoke with an officer. What I was told was that because it was an overseas transaction and a large amount, that for my protection they would not approve the transacton. During my visit they did something to my account which allowed the transaction. All this for $50. 00 something dollars. I guess what I am saying is that if you are having problems booking with the airlines, then go to your bank and they should be able to resolved the problem for you.[/QUOTE]

[quote=key master; 1139781]there is no iron clad rule on if they will perform according to their statements and such. it may work sometimes and other times not. stuff like this is going to happen because they figure even if they don't they'll probably get paid and what do they got to loose? trying to figure out ways to get what you want from really poor and desperate people, is always going to be difficult. i may go back to the club or give less if they didn't follow through as said, but you know what? i'm not going to take it too far. we're guest in their country. you got to remember that. we are far more vulnerable there. don't become a statistic.

i know a lot of us will argue for the principal. i'm one who will do so most of the time, but sometimes it's not worth going too far. these people are poor. they're less educated, and they got less to loose. remember that. they could get their revenge back at any of us in so many ways. i know a lot of people think they're invincible to that stuff, but all you have to do is read up on people getting killed here.

i once had to deal with a woman who was frisky and very open in the bar and promised the world. i barfined her and it went to hell once back in the room. she went cold fish and refused to shower or really do anything. i told her to leave then. i asked for her half of the barfine so i didn't have to ask for the whole deal in her club. she refused and wouldn't leave until i promised not to go back to her club. i wouldn't make that deal with her. she refused to leave. i had to get security to take her out of my room and she's screaming at me to not go back to the club. well i did as i was on my last night as it was. and i was looking behind me constantly. in the end, i don't think it was worth it to worry about the barfine and such so much in regards to my livelihood which is i believe worth more, but i went for the principal and tried to defend what our expectations here. i did get the barfine back by the way as she told the mamasan a lie that they actually could prove she was lying. [/quote]good advice. in addition ewr is early work release only. you do not have the right to force her to have sex. ewr means you have the company of the girl only. altough it is universally accepted that once you barfine you will get laid. the girls know this very well although i am sure the bar or the mamasan cannot tell the girl what to do. it is always better to discuss with the girl in the presence of the mamasan what you expect. do not hold the girl hostage by threatening anyway if she fails to fullfill what was agreed upon. even in western countries the escort girl is for escort only although it is generally understood sex is involved.

all these phi girls although look very innocent know very well what they can do. if they do not know their friends will teach them. as anywhere when you push the girl she will call the police and threaten [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. phi police are looking for ways to humble a foreigner and to extort money.

best way to handle it is,

1. do not tell the girl anything before you go back to the bar to get a refund or another girl. if you had sex once you

will not get any refund. if the girl lies they will believe the girl not you.

2. chalk it up to experience. every monger has had good experience and bad.

3. do not go to that bar. there are plenty to choose from.

having said all this i am sure more than 90% the girls give good service. i have yet have a girl refuse to have sex atleast one time. i have had my share of runners and my share of hard to get rid of girls. one even pretended to sleep after our lunch session saying she missed her reporting time so that i had to barfine her for another night. she was a real gfe so i did not mind. if the girl really wants to be with you it means they are game for everything to make you happy.

Not always. I know enough filipina girls, in Singapore, who fuck a guy for a week, move in to his house and convert partner to 'wife'/'husband' and then translate it back to 'asawa'

Only when you know them close you will know if they are married asawa or not.

And. Of course, they are quite used to living together and most don't see a difference between being married and just co-habitating. The only difference is those bar type who want the marriage so they can stake their claim to everything the guy owns. And more.

My 2 cents.

i had a terrable time with cebu pacific trying to join their flight club. also their web site is not very user friendly. i never got confirmation on one of my flights. i called the customer support and their internet was down but she promised to email the confirmation to me. she did and every thing was fine. i have had no issues since. sometimes you just have to pick up the phone and talk to someone.

gym.

hi poopbunny! how was china?

[quote=rtpman;1139810]i booked a flight about 30 days ago and didn't have any issues. what kind of problems were you having?[/quote]

I chuckeled a bit at one of the senior members tongue in cheek remark about a fellow member having been to Ph 12 times and only make two reports and only to ask questions. I too am one that doesn't report much. Some have the gift of gab and others are good listeners but here is my two cents on the latest thread.

I sometimes go through my list of 20 questions before I barfine a young lady and sometimes I don't. I have to admit I have a little more success after all the questions being happy but is is absolutely NOT a guarintee. I am a pretty good judge of character and body language but they can be pretty good liars with body language as well and verbally. Just two days ago I was at the Brass Knob interviewing one of the older girls (29). I prefer older (haha like 29 is older) ones as they usually are more comfortable with you and know how to treat a man. I bought a lady drink for Bookworm (Pokwang) and started asking the usual question about mens, french kiss etc. Surprisingly she did not know some of my terminology. A cherry girl came over to explain. Lots of giggles! I asked about BJ and me eating her and I got a great smile from the cherry girl and a look of horror from Bookworm. We talked about LT and making love in the morning before leaving. Bookworm said If I came back tomorrow she would stay with me. I wanted someone to cuddle that night so I asked if she minded if cherry girl slept with me that evening. I know this could cause problems so I wanted to know up front. She thought and said no. Cool.

I barfined cherry girl and had a marvelous evening making each other explode.

I did go back the next night to get bookworm and had a great evening also. She knew everything about me and what we did the night before and it wasn't a problem. Treating a woman with respect and tlc goes a long way.

On to the pupose of my report.

Last year I was in the Office in Baloy beach area and had a great time interviewing young ladies. I selected a very bubbily vivacious bird and took her with me to do a little barhopping in Subic. She became very distant and just the opposite of what she was inside. I was sooooo disappointed as I was looking forward to having fun before going back to my room. I looked at my buddy Bill and said something. I asked the bird what was up? Why the change? She did not warm up at all. I decided right then and there to give her 50 pesos for a trike and kicked her out. I wasn't going to ruin my night with a crabby woman. I lost out on the barfine but won as I had a great night and found another bird that made me complete.

Just like buying a used car. You don't always know what you are going to get. You may be pleasantly (or unpleasantly) surprised. Just remember to keep a positive outlook on life and don't let little things annoy you.

Twenty questions? These days I have only one question that I use as a check. Do you know how to kiss? If she sticks her tongue halfway down my throat, I have second thoughts. If she puts a least a little love into the kiss, I usually compliment her on what a great kisser she is and go from there.

For me, a night in Angeles is nothing as terrible as buying a used car. Not even close. Others have made the analogy of a kid in a candy store. Hmm, maybe willie wonka's candy store.

[QUOTE=GymWhite; 1140216]I chuckeled a bit at one of the senior members tongue in cheek remark about a fellow member having been to Ph 12 times and only make two reports and only to ask questions. I too am one that doesn't report much. Some have the gift of gab and others are good listeners but here is my two cents on the latest thread.

I sometimes go through my list of 20 questions before I barfine a young lady and sometimes I don't. I have to admit I have a little more success after all the questions being happy but is is absolutely NOT a guarintee. I am a pretty good judge of character and body language but they can be pretty good liars with body language as well and verbally. Just two days ago I was at the Brass Knob interviewing one of the older girls (29). I prefer older (haha like 29 is older) ones as they usually are more comfortable with you and know how to treat a man. I bought a lady drink for Bookworm (Pokwang) and started asking the usual question about mens, french kiss etc. Surprisingly she did not know some of my terminology. A cherry girl came over to explain. Lots of giggles! I asked about BJ and me eating her and I got a great smile from the cherry girl and a look of horror from Bookworm. We talked about LT and making love in the morning before leaving. Bookworm said If I came back tomorrow she would stay with me. I wanted someone to cuddle that night so I asked if she minded if cherry girl slept with me that evening. I know this could cause problems so I wanted to know up front. She thought and said no. Cool.

I barfined cherry girl and had a marvelous evening making each other explode.

I did go back the next night to get bookworm and had a great evening also. She knew everything about me and what we did the night before and it wasn't a problem. Treating a woman with respect and tlc goes a long way.

On to the pupose of my report.

Last year I was in the Office in Baloy beach area and had a great time interviewing young ladies. I selected a very bubbily vivacious bird and took her with me to do a little barhopping in Subic. She became very distant and just the opposite of what she was inside. I was sooooo disappointed as I was looking forward to having fun before going back to my room. I looked at my buddy Bill and said something. I asked the bird what was up? Why the change? She did not warm up at all. I decided right then and there to give her 50 pesos for a trike and kicked her out. I wasn't going to ruin my night with a crabby woman. I lost out on the barfine but won as I had a great night and found another bird that made me complete.

Just like buying a used car. You don't always know what you are going to get. You may be pleasantly (or unpleasantly) surprised. Just remember to keep a positive outlook on life and don't let little things annoy you.[/QUOTE]

It is well documented that the Cebu Air online booking system has problems when booking with many overseas cards. I tried 3 various MC / Visa I had and they were all declined. That's even with me ringing the credit card company in advance warning them that I will be booking with Cebu and they instructed are to authorise. I rang my car company back asking what happened? They tell me that they did not receive any request, got denied before even reaching the "real world".

If one were to start googling Cebu with auto complete on, you will see "Cebu Pacific credit card problems" come up as one of the suggestions because so many people have problems with it.


[QUOTE=Boricua;1139979]I recall having a similar problem when I tried to book my flt via Cebu Pacific from Manila to Cebu. After several attempts and having the transaction declined, I went to my bank and spoke with an officer. What I was told was that because it was an overseas transaction and a large amount, that for my protection they would not approve the transacton. During my visit they did something to my account which allowed the transaction. All this for $50. 00 something dollars. I guess what I am saying is that if you are having problems booking with the airlines, then go to your bank and they should be able to resolved the problem for you.[/QUOTE]

[quote=gymwhite;1140204]hi poopbunny! how was china?[/quote]changping was quite excellent (report to follow on cp threads soon). it was on my bucket list after hearing it mentioned here a few times.

in my experience it may also be the internet connection. some connections (mostly wireless ones) have problems with some secure websites. it happens when you put in the security code from the bank at the end of the transaction. so you may go for internet another place. maybe not commen, but this happens.

[quote=poopbunny; 1140264]it is well documented that the cebu air online booking system has problems when booking with many overseas cards. i tried 3 various mc / visa i had and they were all declined. that's even with me ringing the credit card company in advance warning them that i will be booking with cebu and they instructed are to authorise. i rang my car company back asking what happened? they tell me that they did not receive any request, got denied before even reaching the "real world".

if one were to start googling cebu with auto complete on, you will see "cebu pacific credit card problems" come up as one of the suggestions because so many people have problems with it. [/quote]

You should call the Cebu Pacific Ticket office and check but when I called a few months ago they were not accepting credit cards issued outside of the Philippines (at least US issued cards) for on-line purchases! PAL does accept them.

[QUOTE=Emale;1140324]You should call the Cebu Pacific Ticket office and check but when I called a few months ago they were not accepting credit cards issued outside of the Philippines (at least US issued cards) for on-line purchases! PAL does accept them.[/QUOTE]I live in Taipei and they won't accept any of the 5 cards I hold nor the 3 my PA holds. What to do. Find a travel agent and go back to the original method. An airline that thimks all its travellers hold a Phil issued cards has its head in the clouds. . Not to mention the mind numbingly boringly DUMB games they insist on playing!