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What's a 10?
[QUOTE=Turgid;2950244]That is normal. [/QUOTE]I will use Elvis as an example. Elvis is so attracted to his girlfriend, and as a result the sex is so good that he is not seeing any other woman. That is the definition of 10 in my book. In Elvis's case, his girlfriend happens to be 10 in look based on his view. So if you extend this definition, one can have a 10 that does not cost much because they don't have to be 10 in look. This is just an example that I made up based on observation to make a point.
A 10 to me is the woman that excites me just by looking at her, thinking about her even without sex, and the sex is great even when the woman is a dead fish. That is my definition of stunning. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2950375]
A 10 to me is...[/QUOTE]We all know, there aren't any 10's. It's just our imagination of perfection, like being in heaven. Bo Derek starred in the movie "10" and she was a knockout, but? We all know the homecoming queen who comes back to the reunion as a fatty. And the wives who are not getting any because their husbands realized they were not worth the effort. If you look hard enough the woman has some imperfection, mole on her back, weird laugh, is a bad fuck, or personality problem. If you think there is a 10, then you are imagining things.
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Let me tell my two favorite stories about GFE and translator apps. First was the gal I knew who told me she put a personal ad in the English language Buenos Aires paper, looking for men to maybe date. She said, 'para mi las cosas mas importantes son que sea inteligente why que sea caballero. ' Or, 'to me the two most important things are that he's smart and that he's a gentleman. ' She showed me the ad and it said she was looking for 'ready horsemen. ' Couldn't understand why she wasn't getting any responses.
[I]Caballero[ / be] is the word for gentleman, but literally does mean horseman. The etymology is that in medieval Spain, only the nobility could ride horses; commoners had to ride mules, which is why Sancho Panza is riding a mule in Don Quijote. [I]Listo[ / I] means intelligent when used with the verb [I]ser[ / I], but means 'ready' when used with the verb [I]estar[ Soy listo, I'm smart, estoy listo, I'm ready or finished. So it didn't work out. Maybe translators have gotten better over the years but you're still going to have issues with slang and regionalisms.
More serious was my idiot friend who decided to give an Argentinean hooker a 'promise ring,' making sure to explain that it was not an 'engagement ring. ' What's the word for promise? Comprometir.
What's the verb for to get engaged? Comprometirse. So he translated 'ring' and 'promise' and gave her 'un anillo de comprometido. ' Dude, that's an engagement ring. She was waving it under everyone's nose and saying she was engaged.
Plug this word into your translator and see what you get: pinche. I just put it in Google Translate and it came back with "lousy. " Yeah, that's what it means in Mexico and Guatemala. In Chile and Peru, it means cheapskate or tightwad. In Spain, it's the person in the kitchen who peels the potatoes, slices onions, etc. Lowest on the totem pole after the dishwasher. I was in Spain with a mexicana friend and she would see signs in the restaurant windows, 'Se necesita pinche,' and would wonder why they would be advertising for a piece of junk.
Or 'macanudo. ' Or 'coger. ' You can get in some real trouble with both of those words if used in the wrong country.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2950232]It's like playing poker. I had a strong hand (knowledge and fallback plans) but I did not know it because I did not know what she had. I knew I had a stronger hand because of her mistake. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose but you will be doing ok if you win more than you lose
If you look at the high price ones, they are like tourist trap. A couple of examples among them, the quality of Loutron or La Isla are not getting better but the price going up much more with reduced service than the other non-tourist trap places. Why is that?
Why an experience man would go to tourist trap? One could observe from the conviction of some members here and they must go to these tourist traps to get what they want and pay the tourist trap price because they have to compete with the tourists or others with similar mindset. In a way, relatively speaking, the higher price one pays the weaker hand one has.[/QUOTE]You're questions what another man is doing and you're talking about playing poker with a girl over sex negotiations? Dudes go out here to bang hot Latina girls and hopefully get some charisma during the session. Playing mind games over $20 is just pointless for many while on vacation, experienced or not.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2950375]I will use Elvis as an example. Elvis is so attracted to his girlfriend, and as a result the sex is so good that he is not seeing any other woman. That is the definition of 10 in my book. In Elvis's case, his girlfriend happens to be 10 in look based on his view.......[/QUOTE]That's a subjective 10. That's a 10 who possibly some other bloke would say he would not boink for free.
A question to posters who regularly watch the Miss Universe contest. Have you ever seen a woman crowned Miss Universe who you would not want to have sex with? Be careful how you answer that as you may wander into the LGBTQ zone. There are objective 10's.
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[QUOTE=SpanishBlack;2950425]You're questions what another man is doing and you're talking about playing poker with a girl over sex negotiations? Dudes go out here to bang hot Latina girls and hopefully get some charisma during the session. Playing mind games over $20 is just pointless for many while on vacation, experienced or not.[/QUOTE]Why do you focus only on the dollar amount? I am making an observation and you are not reading it right. You can write your own report to make your own observation.
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[QUOTE=CowboyCheeba;2950439], also not sure how the tipping situation works,[/QUOTE]You can go to the bar and give them the large bill to exchange for 2 mil bills. Then tip each dancer 2 mil. This is the case a while back. I think the process should be the same but not sure about the amount now.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2950220]I like your reply because it probably is reasonable and agreeable. By default 9 and 10 are rare anywhere, so to think that only certain places you can find them or you can't find them in some places is not true because it probably is going to be random and scarce. Not every girl can go from 0 to 300 USD. These girls are likely to start somewhere low. Not all of them are as smart or as knowledgeable as one thinks.
Some of us know what a girl can get because we have the knowledge. That is why we keep these girls we know under the radar. Even if the girl is not our type, most will agree some girls can easily get double of what we paid if they know how to reach those customers and very often they don't when they are just 18 or 19. These girls all will provide BBFS. So in my view, when a girl started to care about condom, then most likely she is already a working girl with some mileage and it does not depends on age either. A working girl mindset and sex is completely different even if they provide the same service and it is unlikely to be 100% effort in Medellin to an average man.
What is scarce for me in Medellin is the girls that will perform close to 100%. An average man can't get that by paying a lot and have sex only one time. An average man can get 100%s GFE service here in the form but to get a GFE feel where she kisses you like she loves you is very unlikely. And if the man can't tell the difference, that is great because he is getting the real thing in his mind.[/QUOTE]Man, you and I think so like! Love your thought process. Anywho, hit me up if anyone like minded is in Medellin for October and mid November.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2950518]Why do you focus only on the dollar amount? I am making an observation and you are not reading it right. You can write your own report to make your own observation.[/QUOTE]I was there 3 weeks ago and I did write my own report. Shouldn't be many pages down. Your poker game leads to boring unenthusiastic sex.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2950492]That's a subjective 10. That's a 10 who possibly some other bloke would say he would not boink for free.
A question to posters who regularly watch the Miss Universe contest. Have you ever seen a woman crowned Miss Universe who you would not want to have sex with? Be careful how you answer that as you may wander into the LGBTQ zone. There are objective 10's.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. When rating woman's beauty, a lot of folks mix in other variables, like performance in bed, ability to cook and clean, character traits, and other things that they find important. Elvis rates his girl a 10 (10 means it can't get any better), just because he is in the relationship with her, and values other things besides the beauty. But a woman pushing 40 and having a kid can't be an objective 10 by default. Have you ever seen a 37 yo mom win the Miss Universe contest? She wouldn't even qualify. I'm aware there are other contests for older women, moms / wives, etc but those are very niche. It's like winning a beauty contest for disabled. You can be a winner, but never a 10 if your limb is missing.
Other folks rate women based on their preference. Let's have Naomi Campbell in her prime years an an example. Some idiot could rate her a 5 just because he doesn't like black women. But this rating would be subjective. OBJECTIVELY, she can't be a 5, because she is a supermodel and has all the features of a supermodel.
Most guys just don't know how to rate women properly. They have very little or no experience hanging out around hot women, let alone dating / fucking them.
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[QUOTE=Huacho;2950390]Let me tell my two favorite stories about GFE and translator apps. [/QUOTE]What does this have to do with getting GFE? You have made a statement that one can never get GFE without speaking the language and you didn't back it up. Instead, you posted some lame stories about how things can be mistranslated. Stick to the fucking point!
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2950331]Twitainy has already said that his bait is to offer "amistad con regalos," so it's already a potential arrangement that he wants to call a "date. " But a repulsive grandpa is just that in any "culture. " Sadly there's nothing physically attractive about the slow death of aging. Many women in poorer countries though will hold their noses and go for "gifts. ".
Frankly I have no problem with guys who want to get the "I'm a sexy grandpa" fantasies going in their heads in hopes of enhancing their fun. The sad part is when they come here trying to convince the audience, then get nasty when some here hit them with reality.[/QUOTE]Have you ever watched porn featuring a grandpa and a young hottie? I have seen a few videos like that and let me tell you, it looks kinda disgusting. But that's reality. We all age, and someday I will be in my 60's and 70's too. But I will never be delusional thinking a woman likes to have sex with me only because I have a degree with concentration in Latin America, or because I'm wise, or because she likes "how she feels around me" or because I understand women. This is all BS. She trades her youth and beauty for a comfortable and easy lifestyle, period. All your wisdom, education, understanding women, etc is just a small bonus but not a requirement.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2950331]Twitainy has already said that his bait is to offer "amistad con regalos," so it's already a potential arrangement that he wants to call a "date. "[/QUOTE]The guys who "do not pay for sex" will spend huge money on their dates. If there are a line of guys looking to talk to a woman, and you take her to McDonald's, you better be Prince Charming if you expect a second date.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2950331]The sad part is when they come here trying to convince the audience, then get nasty when some here hit them with reality.[/QUOTE]When you start putting people in groups, whether average or hot women, I question if the person has an individual at all because they are describing an object. SC started all this when he said he went with 6's because of the experience. He is saying I am smarter than all you dummies who go after the 10's. The perception is they are going to bleed you dry and leave you with nothing and give you shitty sex. And sure, there are some hot women who just think all they have to do is show up.
There was the book the Game, and this guy wrote this book about how to pick up women and the supposed masters used a technique called negging, negative compliments. They made comments like that is last year's fashion but it looks good on you. Most women now know about it and are annoyed by it, but the women this is going to attract, are these super hot women who think they are ugly. So when a woman pulls up her shit to show her tummy and has six pack abs and asks, "Do you think I am fat? The typical response is "Oh, no honey, you look great", and the guy is likely flattered she talked to him. I would say "You look fine" and do all I could to stay away from her. I could go into the technical terms but she is bat shit fucking crazy, and if you have any affection for her, you are going to be on the hook for her next 20 plastic surgeries.
There is the Glenn Close type in fatal attraction. Her famous line was "I won't be ignored, Paul". So Glen Close was crazy about the guy she was with. Yes, but in this case crazy means insane. And these women are the ones who have fooled me more than the others because in the beginning, they are very selfless, caring, and into you are. They put you up on a pedestal and objectify you, and they want you to do the same with them. And when they feel you are not doing the same, that is when they start boiling bunnies. These women easily may go for someone older or not that attractive. For me the real problem with these women was they show others how much they care for you and get your allies on their side. When you see a women get psychotic when you are leaving, you are probably with this type and need to get the fuck away.
Then you got manic depression. When a chick is in the manic phase, she might fuck anything that walks. When she is in the depressed phase, she won't give a shit if Brad Pitt is coming onto her. They spend like crazy when they are manic so they go for guys with money. So you set a price with them and this is most important. You let them call you. When a chick is in the manic phase, she will fuck your dick into dust. When they are depressed and cutting themselves, they want to be alone, and you should let them be alone. So these women can be great sugar babies, but if you take them seriously, you are crazier than they are.
I had a friend marry a woman like this. I told him he was out of his fucking mind. I could see the MB style justification for this. I am younger than you. You do not have the personality I do. Blah, blah, blah. But he said the worst line of all, "I think I can handle it. " I actually had this dummy write that down and sign it. Five years later, he is depressed and bankrupt, and the sad part is I knew what was coming and could do nothing to stop it.
So Paulie, when you and MB Paulie start to make comments like hot women like young, rich, handsome ETC, you are not dealing with reality. The manic depressive may feel nothing towards anything or anyone including Brad Pitt. If you talk to women who are like this and ask them why they are slitting their wrists trying to kill themselves, they will tell you that they feel nothing and they are so desperate to feel anything, they cut themselves so they can feel the life going out of them. And you think they care you are young?
And if you are pursuing hot women and have not run into each of these types and think I am full of it, then you need to get your head out of your ass.
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[QUOTE=Huacho;2950390]Let me tell my two favorite stories about GFE and translator apps[/QUOTE]Not disagreeing with your post at all. I am aware of the translator problem. I can actually read Spanish to the degree that I can distinguish between correct and incorrect translation mostly. I can always explain what I think is wrong to the girl to ask her to rewrite it to produce the correct translation. I am not talking about the GFE that you get when you meet the girl the first time. It is something that builds up over a long period of time. By now, the girl can tolerate translator and be patient with me. Sometimes, the translator is not needed because the girl speaks English.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2950359]Make her huh? Do you have any idea what I was trying to say?[/QUOTE]Any sane woman would not put a tongue in her partner's ear, let alone grab their dick, during a family dinner or a friends outing because it is not socially acceptable. You save this shit for the bedroom when you are intimate. A woman who does that in public is showing off and has no clue about good manners. And yeah, if you like to show fake affection, you can pay up and she will do everything you want her to do in front of other people. Normal women will be embarrassed to do this in public regardless of how strong your chemistry is.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2950359] Looking back on this, I cannot believe how stupid this is and how dumb I was to mention her relatives. When I was delivering pizzas in college decades ago, I was making 4 X as much per month as my gal is. If you make over $100,000 per year, you will make more than the average Colombian women in two years than she will in her whole career. If in a few years, I take social security I will be getting at least 4 X more per month than my gal. And that is not including my savings and pension. So where did you come up with this dumb ideal of older guys losing income or American men and Colombian women having equal income? Where do you think V and Huacho get their money? Selling tacos?
Nounce is right. There is nothing wrong with spending big and enjoying trophy fucks. The problem is you think that is some kind of accomplishment that other men especially older ones cannot do. Or am I wrong?[/QUOTE]I never compared US and Colombian incomes, what are you smoking? I said, a Colombian woman can find herself a local boyfriend / husband, who is making the same money, or maybe slightly more and live happily. The vast majority of local women date local men. And the average age gap is 3 to 4 years according to the stats. You, older gringo expats dating local women are a tiny percentage. Losing your income is a hypothetical situation. Some folks live very modest lifestyle in Colombia, fucking cheap Centro hoes, because they live off of relatively small SSI.
I was actually wrong about your gal. I was under impression she had a great career prior to meeting you and could easily support herself and her daughter, but now I understand she was barely making it, earning 1/4 of what you earned in the States delivering pizza decades ago. Everything started to make even more sense now. This "she likes how she feels around me" is nothing but her desire not to work anymore, knowing her BF will always get his pension and SSI.