East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1603901]I don't pretend to know a lot about this but. If a working girl enters into a relationship with you it is in the culture that you are expected to give presents and provide a little support. If anyone has a better handle on this please post to let us know.

I pay my girlfriends medical insurance for example. It was my idea. I didn't want to get a, "I'm going to die without an expensive operation," phone call.[/QUOTE]My experience with Chinese girls beyond the "hour" - civie and pro. Is that they almost immediately expect you to start buying gifts and sometimes it's turned into a stupid negotiation. I explained to one, "I am not a wallet. " I understand it from a cultural standpoint much better now but at first I was pretty turned off by girls asking to go shopping. Now I just avoid that step altogether. Wham, Bam, Thank you, 'mam.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1603901]I don't pretend to know a lot about this but. If a working girl enters into a relationship with you it is in the culture that you are expected to give presents and provide a little support. If anyone has a better handle on this please post to let us know.

I pay my girlfriends medical insurance for example. It was my idea. I didn't want to get a, "I'm going to die without an expensive operation," phone call.[/QUOTE]You are correct. It is culture. Espescially with the massage girls. It becomes a competition on who has the best boyfriend and what their worth is to you. And of course how much they are worth.

The problem is you are dating a girl that has equated men / some level of sex act *BJ, HJ, FS) with money. This becomes that basis of the relationship. I give gift she gives to me.

The girl I had only got more expensive, it didn't matter how much it was, next time should be more. It is easier to realize the relationship for what it is and keep it business.

Just my opinion and experience. YMMV

Sam.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1604043]it didn't matter how much it was, next time should be more.Sam.[/QUOTE]

My strategy is to budget a certain amount for her and then tell her it is only 2/3 rds as much.

I do get more of a relationship. They don't think they are selling emotions but rather that it is their due. We think we are abused but this is nothing compared with a Chinese business man who has to buy shao titi an apartment, car and Gucci bag.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1604313]My strategy is to budget a certain amount for her and then tell her it is only 2/3 rds as much.

I do get more of a relationship. They don't think they are selling emotions but rather that it is their due. We think we are abused but this is nothing compared with a Chinese business man who has to buy shao titi an apartment, car and Gucci bag.[/QUOTE]I have a completely different strategy. When girls start asking for gifts, I generally just ignore it. Ignoring their request is easy to do because I always have alternative girls I can hook up with. I never let any girl think that they are an exclusive. This way they have to play to my favor rather than the opposite way around. I keep a mix of working girls and freebies thus I've got variety.

Just one simple man's approach.

SH.

[QUOTE=ShangHangin;1604519]Ignoring their request is easy to do because I always have alternative girls I can hook up with.SH.[/QUOTE]

I have all the other girls I can find time for. But I do have one special one. You just have to play their game. It's what they think is normal.

There is no end to what they will ask for. You have to be clear about how much money is available. If they can't accept that then is it you who is not taking her seriously or is it her using you for a mark?

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1604547]There is no end to what they will ask for. You have to be clear about how much money is available. If they can't accept that then is it you who is not taking her seriously or is it her using you for a mark?[/QUOTE]True enough there is no end to what they will ask for. And limits must be set. Each of us has a limited amount of money that we are willing to spend on them. Personally, I am not a gifter. I prefer to enjoy my time eating and drinking whilst treating the ladies with respect (and create a little romance). The p2 p girls I associate with respond well to this approach.

What I really prefer are my freebies that offer to pay for me when we go out.

SH.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1604313]{S N I P} We think we are abused but this is nothing compared with a Chinese business man who has to buy shao titi an apartment, car and Gucci bag.[/QUOTE]What is a [I]shao titi[/I]? Is this a Shanghai expression? Is it similar to [I]èr nǎi ( 二 奶 )[/I]?

Can you provide the Chinese characters?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1604561]What is a [I]shao titi[/I]? Is this a Shanghai expression? Is it similar to [I]r nǎi ( 二 奶 )[/I]?

Can you provide the Chinese characters?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]NO, it is your dick.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1604561]What is a [I]shao titi[/I]? Is this a Shanghai expression? Is it similar to [I]r nǎi ( 二 奶 )[/I]?

Can you provide the Chinese characters?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing he meant Xiao Tai Tai - 小 太 太; which is indeed like er nai.

Jude Bright, your dick is xiao didi and not many men shower their dicks with Gucci bags. Even in Shanghai!

[QUOTE=MothToFlames;1604876]I'm guessing he meant Xiao Tai Tai - 小 太 太; which is indeed like er nai.

Jude Bright, your dick is xiao didi and not many men shower their dicks with Gucci bags. Even in Shanghai![/QUOTE]Thanks MTF. [I]Xiǎo tàitài[/I] is indeed new for me. I did not think that it was my little brother! Haha!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1604561]What is a [I]shao titi[/I]? Cheers.[/QUOTE]

Sorry for causing confusion. Yes, Moth To Flames what I meant was xiǎo tàitài. This means a kept mistress.

[QUOTE=MothToFlames;1604876]I'm guessing he meant Xiao Tai Tai - 小 太 太; which is indeed like er nai.

Jude Bright, your dick is xiao didi and not many men shower their dicks with Gucci bags. Even in Shanghai![/QUOTE]小 太 太 does not have to mean "er nai". It may simply mean your only legal wife, but much younger than you.

JB.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;1605261]小 太 太 does not have to mean "er nai". It may simply mean your only legal wife, but much younger than you.

JB.[/QUOTE]Is [I]Xiǎo tàitài[/I] commonly used in North China to mean a young wife?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1605305]Is [I]Xiǎo titi[/I] commonly used in North China to mean a young wife?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]It does have double means, young wife or the younger wife.

Jb.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;1605309]It does have double means, young wife or the younger wife.

Jb.[/QUOTE]Being in Sth China, I am only familiar with the terms [I]xiǎo sān[/I] and [I]èr nǎi[/I], and even then I am unsure of the exact difference in their usage. I suspect that the [I]xiǎo sān[/I] is not necessarily a 100% kept woman, but rather a woman having an affair with a married man.

And now I have [I]xiǎo tàitài[/I] as well to learn!

Cheers.