Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=MidwestMan91;2666145]Its dated info but, I went to La Isla back in August with some buddies. It was a Friday or Saturday night and we went too early but it filled up with lots of ladies and customers. I thought it was worth the trip and wish I brought more money.

Ill be in Medellin March 9-18, Willing to meet up with any like minded guys. Ill be at the training wheels hotel. Hotel M.[/QUOTE]Great thanks for the info, I'll check it out for sure when I'm back.

Nice I'll be there same time, but most likely staying around el Poblado, so would be good to meet up and cause some chaos down there.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;2666312]Hey guys. Haven't been there in 3 years but excited to go. I've been looking for the sex guide document with all the spots by barrio but went back 15 pages and nothing. Can someone repost please. Also I read someone mentioned a Female guide that will also fuck. Please feel free to pm me her details or repost. Ill be there from 15 to 28 of March. Splitting time at airbnb in laureles and poblado. I speak native spanish and 40 so if anyone wants to meet up and talk shop holler at me.[/QUOTE]There is a map and a list in the thread marked "Medellin Map and List" you might have to scroll through some posts to find them.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4002-Medellin-Map-and-List[/URL]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2661745]If I don't post one of three things:

1) Dead or seriously injured.

2) I am not in Medellin.

3) I am on an Epic run.

I am in Medellin at my hotel. This run started Tuesday night around 8:30. I had no plans, in fact on my mind was that I finally might get a good night's sleep.

Without any notice it started. Max time between girls has been 4 hours. Epic night with Sexy Dexy, only the second time I have seen her this trip. Two of my chicas in the top five met for the first time, Scarlet and Sexy Dexy. A tad bit icey but that's when my system kicks in to hopefully keep the peace. Scarlet is current Number Two and Sexy used to be a Number Two and Sexy wants her position back.

I am trying to remember the names of all the chicas who have been through here since the run started. I can't. Caribe just overlapped with Purrfekt Piel who is here now. Caribe is not even on the list although I can tell she is thinking about it.

Ostee Out. The end is not clearly in sight. Managerette scheduled after Purrfekt, then Spanish Teacher for her first overnight. Someone pilfered 200 mil COP of my money but I deserved it for laying it out there like Papaya. This run has not come cheap, but in the end it all balances out.[/QUOTE]So what happened to this guy? I hope he is on an epic run and not #1 or 2.

I canceled my trip there last week last minute because of the requirements needed there now. Went to Mexico instead. (no requirements for tourists) I couldn't take the chance flying there and the possibly of being denied entry even though I'm hearing they aren't checking there really, just the Airlines. Silly they want at least 1 jab. How about all or none! I choose none! I want to come there but not bad enough to get 1 jab. Guess I'll have to wait until the Government there wisens up again.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2665747]You do not need to show proof of a vax. All you need is to show a completed vax card. I am not sure what access Col Immg has to various online QR linked databases, but the reality is that many countries do not issue such QR cards and Col accepts all types of cards. So a handwritten card is just as valid as a QR card. They chk your card at the airline chk in desk, and again in the queue as you approach the immigration desk on entry. The immigration official at the desk did not look at mine.

You do not need to upload or send your vax card in advance when you do the Check Mig registration.

There is no database to crosscheck your data with. Maybe they could cross check with a few countries if they had the will or desire or thousands of staff to do that. But they don't. Why not just get a card from a country that does handwritten cards? Then they can't cross check anything.

Boosters are not required to enter Col. All your card must show is a useless first round of vaxes that have already become obsolete in terms of effectiveness. That's what they want. Thats what they get. A policy as effective as the useless vaxes that they want you to have.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2666395]So what happened to this guy? I hope he is on an epic run and not #1 or 2.[/QUOTE]I speak to him off and on. He's on another epic run.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2666395]So what happened to this guy? I hope he is on an epic run and not #1 or 2.[/QUOTE]# 4-Probably in a Colombian jail cell! LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2666180]Do you have a girl in Medellin who is willing to go to a swingers club with you and participate freely? If not, chances are you will be wasting your time.[/QUOTE]I would be interested as well. The old threads are pretty outdated.

On a side note, do you guys know any good love motels in Med? I can't find any by searching. I remember there were quite a few luxe ones in Rio, does Med have anything like that?

Hi.

I left medellin this morning.

Myself and about 7 other people got the secondary search.

It was on American Airlines.

This was my third trip I stayed at San Peter.

I find most of the gringos are selfish guys hardly speaks to people.

I am East Indian from Guyana Also a Canadian citizen.

I had a good time with local Colombia people.

Had 2 civilians took them Ibiza motel.

I think around 100 k for 4 hours.

You guys only talk about prices.

Why spend all that money on tickets hotels and food but don't want to give a beautiful young energetic girl 75 or 100 dollars.

That's peanuts. One guy said at the sport bar it's 30 k pesos for a smirnoff ice.

I got to have a great time.

I go to all the local bar on LA 70.

Meeting people that's what I travel for.

Sureman.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2666127]I was just looking for a cheap phone for Colombia using this info:

"Will my US cell phone work in Colombia?

If your unlocked cell phone has GSM 850 and 1900 bands it should work in Colombia. A CDMA phone will not work in Colombia. In the US, both Verizon and Sprint use CDMA. An unlocked GGSM quad band phone is a good choice for Colombia and other countries."[/QUOTE]This information might be out of date. My Verizon 5 G phone works fine in Colombia, as did the 4 G phone I had before. I did have a problem with a Verizon phone not working in Colombia, but that was 7 or 8 years ago.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2666395]So what happened to this guy? I hope he is on an epic run and not #1 or 2.[/QUOTE]I think hes got the runs... Next time i go thru centro, i'll chk to see if he is alive.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2666470]

I find most of the gringos are selfish guys hardly speaks to people.

You guys only talk about prices.

Why spend all that money on tickets hotels and food but don't want to give a beautiful young energetic girl 75 or 100 dollars.

That's peanuts.

I got to have a great time.

Sureman.[/QUOTE]Hteat to hear you had a good time.

I think most people are selfish generally. You obviously don't think so. And mongering is a particularly self-centered activity.

Why pay peanuts? Bcos in reality all your buying is a metaphorical bag of peanuts.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2665782]No one said anything about check MIG last two flights I had to Colombia. Vaccine info is checked by airlines only. It is some minimum wage type employee looking for a few things. You can have the card or even a photo of the card on your phone. It is super easy to fake if you want to go that way.[/QUOTE]Why be insulting to the people you visit.

Minimum wage people.

Because you have money to travel.

Those people laugh at gringos they leave their first world homes and go to to third world countries and insult them.

Just think who is real looser.

I wish hum the best of luck but in my experience which is 45 years of traveling and hooking up. People go overboard are going to get burned sooner or later.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2666395]So what happened to this guy? I hope he is on an epic run and not #1 or 2.[/QUOTE]

I am about to book the hotels, it looks like it will be a long way from el Poblado to all the brothels, and there is no 4 star hotels in centro areas, difficult call.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2666486]Why be insulting to the people you visit.

Minimum wage people. Because you have money to travel.[/QUOTE]Sureman, the minimum wage person works for the airline in the USA. Got it? Those minimum wage types often travel for free. The airlines get fined by Colombia if they let in unvaccinated customers.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2666486]Those people laugh at gringos they leave their first world homes and go to to third world countries and insult them.

Just think who is real looser.[/QUOTE]Vaccine status was not checked by Colombian customs this time. I do not know what you are talking about and who is laughing at gringos.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2666470]You guys only talk about prices. Why spend all that money on tickets hotels and food but don't want to give a beautiful young energetic girl 75 or 100 dollars. That's peanuts. [/QUOTE]You are speaking from a vacationer/tourist point of view. If you lived there or traveled there every month would you seriously look at it as being peanuts giving a different beautiful young energetic girl $100 everyday? More than likely you would not, knowing their rent is $120 for the entire month and people in a normal job make $200 per month.

People that live places or travel to places often tend to seek out and pay more of the local rate than a vacationing spendthrift cares to think about. $100 to three girls IS peanuts over 1 week of vacation. But if a mf is constantly there it would be ridiculous for him to spend $100 on every chick he fucks in a third world country.

My first time to Chiang Mai, Thailand I was looking for a tour to do. Of course being a vacationer I wanted to have things lined up as many guys on this site do with women. Online I saw the tour that I wanted. It was $100. Being that I lived in a different part of Thailand that price sounded a little off to me, so I did not purchase it. When I landed at the airport in Chiang Mai they had booths with the same tour for sale. The price was $60. Still I did not bite.

When I got to the hotel, they were selling the same exact all-day Golden Triangle tour for $30. A normal vacationer would have probably bought the $100 tour when he saw it online since it was peanuts compared to all the money they spent on tickets and hotels, but they would have been in the exact same van getting the exact same service as me, the guy that waited until he was on the ground at the hotel and paid $30.

If it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to give the extra money then have at it, but you are fucking the same pussy and getting the same smiles as the guy who paid the common rate.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2666127]I was just looking for a cheap phone for Colombia using this info:

"Will my US cell phone work in Colombia?

If your unlocked cell phone has GSM 850 and 1900 bands it should work in Colombia. A CDMA phone will not work in Colombia. In the US, both Verizon and Sprint use CDMA. An unlocked GGSM quad band phone is a good choice for Colombia and other countries."[/QUOTE]CDMA isn't even used anymore is it. I think all modern phones are GSM. And also sprint doesn't even exist anymore either. Apparently CDMA was an old technology and those phones didn't even have sim cards so there was no way to switch a sim card in those phones so obviously we are referring to GSM phones which are the standard nowadays.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2666491]I am about to book the hotels, it looks like it will be a long way from el Poblado to all the brothels, and there is no 4 star hotels in centro areas, difficult call.[/QUOTE]Downtown is not a tourist area. There are no 4 star hotels or catering to tourists there. It is a rough and raw place.

[QUOTE=Sma202;2666441]I would be interested as well. The old threads are pretty outdated.

On a side note, do you guys know any good love motels in Med? I can't find any by searching. I remember there were quite a few luxe ones in Rio, does Med have anything like that?[/QUOTE]You can try this link for a list of love motels in Colombia. It has many of the nicer ones listed. Probably the nicest in Medellin is Motel Ibiza (listed as Ibiza Motel lounge). You can find several reviews on this thread.

[URL]https://guiacereza.com/home[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2666521]Downtown is not a tourist area. There are no 4 star hotels or catering to tourists there. It is a rough and raw place.[/QUOTE]Damn. I am kind of lost right now because based on the map contributed by the worldtraveler69, all the pussies are located at centro areas. It is a half hour trip to centro from Poblado area. And the youtube videos shows Lleras park hookers seems overpriced. I don't know. I think I need to be there and experience it myself, landing on 2/28.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2666470]Hi.

I left medellin this morning.

Myself and about 7 other people got the secondary search.

It was on American Airlines..[/QUOTE]Can you be a little more specific about the secondary search?

When you enter into the International gate at the airport, after they confirm you have a boarding pass, there are typically two Colombian police whom are looking at Passports and decide whom may be sent for a more thorough search by the Police, besides airport security. I have seen the Colombian police going thru peoples things, paperwork, etc.

You said it was a secondary search, yet I have never seen a secondary search of anyone after going thru the main checkpoint.

I have flown on Avianca, Copa, and American and have yet to see this during the last seven years.

Was it conducted just prior to boarding the plane, and if so by whom?

Just curious, that's all.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2666491]I am about to book the hotels, it looks like it will be a long way from el Poblado to all the brothels, and there is no 4 star hotels in centro areas, difficult call.[/QUOTE]Many people, particularly first time visitors, choose to stay in El Poblado, usually close to Parque Lleras. Here are a few reasons:

1. You're more likely to find other tourists in the area around Parque Lleras, especially ones who speak English. You're also more likely to find people who can communicate in English working in the businesses around Parque Lleras.

2. Parque Lleras is the zona rosa of Medellin, the entertainment district. There are several other similar areas, such as La Setenta in Laureles, but the main one is Parque Lleras. The area has a lot of restaurants and night clubs. For some people that's important.

3. Poblado is the new money area of Medellin. That's where you'll find most of the nicest hotels and apartments and many of the best restaurants.

4. There is a general impression that Poblado is a safer area. There are people here who will tell you it's more dangerous than El Centro and people who will tell you it's safer than El Centro. It's not a simple thing and reality has little to do with the general impression.

5. Poblado is a nicer, cleaner area than El Centro.

If those reasons fit you, Poblado might be a good place to stay. There are many things to consider. First, it's only 15-20 minutes by taxi from the area near Parque Lleras to the area near the casas in El Centro and it should cost about $4. During peak traffic it will take longer.

Another thing to consider is your own impression. If you prefer to stay in 4 star hotels, you might not feel comfortable outside of a hotel in El Centro. People can tell you it's perfectly safe and there's nothing to worry about, but you won't know until you get there. More than one person has taken the advice to stay in El Centro, only to waste what they paid, because after 1 night they realized that El Centro is not their kind of place.

My advice, such as it is:

If your main concern is comfort, stay in Poblado.

If your main concern is to save money, stay in El Centro.

If you want a mix of comfort, price and proximity to casas, stay in Laureles.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2666470]Hi.

I left medellin this morning.

Myself and about 7 other people got the secondary search.

It was on American Airlines.

This was my third trip I stayed at San Peter.

I find most of the gringos are selfish guys hardly speaks to people.

I am East Indian from Guyana Also a Canadian citizen.

I had a good time with local Colombia people.

Had 2 civilians took them Ibiza motel..[/QUOTE]Many gringos are selfish and won't speak to strangers. That's a subject for another day, because there are many things involved.

I assume you are talking dollars Canadian, about $60-$80 US, or somewhere close to 250 k-300 k Colombian. Depending on where you found the girls, how long you were with them and how satisfied you were with the service, that's not much above what many people are paying.

What matters is that you had a good time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2666513]You are speaking from a vacationer/tourist point of view. If you lived there or traveled there every month would you seriously look at it as being peanuts giving a different beautiful young energetic girl $100 everyday? More than likely you would not, knowing their rent is $120 for the entire month and people in a normal job make $200 per month.

People that live places or travel to places often tend to seek out and pay more of the local rate than a vacationing spendthrift cares to think about. $100 to three girls IS peanuts over 1 week of vacation. But if a mf is constantly there it would be ridiculous for him to spend $100 on every chick he fucks in a third world country.

My first time to Chiang Mai, Thailand I was looking for a tour to do. Of course being a vacationer I wanted to have things lined up as many guys on this site do with women. Online I saw the tour that I wanted. It was $100. Being that I lived in a different part of Thailand that price sounded a little off to me, so I did not purchase it. When I landed at the airport in Chiang Mai they had booths with the same tour for sale. The price was $60. Still I did not bite. .[/QUOTE]This is just something to think about.

The tour operator (or the girl selling sex) has to earn a certain amount to make a profit. They can sell some seats for $30 (or she can sell her seat for 30 k to some guys) because they know other seats will sell for $60 or $100 (or she knows some guys will pay 100 k or 200 k).

If everyone only pays $30 then either the tour needs to be shortened (or costs must be cut elsewhere), or the price must go up. The girls can turn more tricks to make up the difference, but that's going to end up decreasing the service and length of time.

That's the overly simplified version. In reality, there are probably other tour operators with nicer vans, or who deal with smaller groups. With the girls, you get the same thing. Some girls see several guys each day and charge the low rate. Others only see a few guys each week and charge more. Some charge different prices for different guys, depending on how bad they need the money.

Airlines, hotels and restaurants work on the same model. They can sell some seats, beds or meals at a much lower rate, but they can't sell all of them at that rate. If they try to fill every seat for the cheapest price (like the no frill airlines), they have to decrease legroom to add more seats and charge extra for everything else.

There is one bit which isn't necessarily correct. If you're paying 30 k for a girl, or paying 300 k for a girl, you're probably not talking about the same girl. There are exceptions, but it's not the norm. Certainly the 30 k girl will take 300 k if offered, but the 300 k girls aren't giving it out to other tourists for 30 k.

It works the same in most industries. Whatever your job, there are people doing the same thing for less and people doing the same thing for more. Everyone is lining up for a pay raise, but not many are volunteering for a pay cut.

There are fancy Airbnb's around Centro. You could also rent a room in Centro just for dates and showers then go back to your 4 star hotel to sleep. What I'm trying to say is if you don't want to get dirty then it's best you don't go to Centro.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2666521]Downtown is not a tourist area. There are no 4 star hotels or catering to tourists there. It is a rough and raw place.[/QUOTE]

Verizon's CDMA phones also had SIM card slots and GSM radios.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2666519]CDMA isn't even used anymore is it. I think all modern phones are GSM. And also sprint doesn't even exist anymore either. Apparently CDMA was an old technology and those phones didn't even have sim cards so there was no way to switch a sim card in those phones so obviously we are referring to GSM phones which are the standard nowadays.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MidwestMan91;2666145]Its dated info but, I went to La Isla back in August with some buddies. It was a Friday or Saturday night and we went too early but it filled up with lots of ladies and customers. I thought it was worth the trip and wish I brought more money.

Ill be in Medellin March 9-18, Willing to meet up with any like minded guys. Ill be at the training wheels hotel. Hotel M.[/QUOTE]Are you from Omaha?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2666521]Downtown is not a tourist area. There are no 4 star hotels or catering to tourists there. It is a rough and raw place.[/QUOTE]Then what is Hotel Nutibara?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2666519]CDMA isn't even used anymore is it. I think all modern phones are GSM...[/QUOTE]I think you are correct, GSM or LTE, but no more CDMA phones being sold, I believe.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2666565]Verizon's CDMA phones also had SIM card slots and GSM radios.[/QUOTE]That's because those phones were both CDMA and GSM so it had a sim card slot for the GSM function of the phone. If a phone was only CDMA it didn't have a sim card.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2666585]Then what is Hotel Nutibara?[/QUOTE]A two star hotel.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2666535]Can you be a little more specific about the secondary search?

When you enter into the International gate at the airport, after they confirm you have a boarding pass, there are typically two Colombian police whom are looking at Passports and decide whom may be sent for a more thorough search by the Police, besides airport security. I have seen the Colombian police going thru peoples things, paperwork, etc.

You said it was a secondary search, yet I have never seen a secondary search of anyone after going thru the main checkpoint.

I have flown on Avianca, Copa, and American and have yet to see this during the last seven years.

Was it conducted just prior to boarding the plane, and if so by whom?

Just curious, that's all.[/QUOTE]At the gate they will sometimes call names and require another search. I was called in Nov or Dec. Behind a curtiained off area next to the gate they asked me for my laptop and brushed something onto it and ran it thru a machine of some sort I assume to detect whether it contained narcotics. About ten passengers were selected for this search.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2666585]Then what is Hotel Nutibara?[/QUOTE]1 star LMAO.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2666585]Then what is Hotel Nutibara?[/QUOTE]Two star, and that's being generous. Also mice infested by many reports. Fast little critters, tough to see anything beyond a blur when they dart out from under a baseboard. But set up some traps with peanut butter, bet ya nab something. That's Osteoknot's favorite hotel.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2666585]Then what is Hotel Nutibara?[/QUOTE]I have never checked the official rules, but I would put Nutibara at 2 star myself. The staff are maybe 3 star, and the potential is 4 star, but the reality is lower. The rooms and internet and hotlel facilities are pretty shlt.

Let me reply to the search.

As I was about to check in a guy all suited up ask a few questions about if left the city of Medellin. I said no and asked what I did.

I said I stayed in Laurels but went to El Poblado for dinner.

It was not the police.

Probably working for American Airlines.

He spoke perfect English.

I checked in did the security check.

Went to the boarding area.

About 2 hours they started to call some names.

I heard mine but no AA repwas by the boarding gate.

So 15 minutes later names were called again. I saw the female rep that checked me in.

I went up to her she collected my boarding pass.

As boarding was started at the side saw the the that spoke to me doing the searches.

My and another Indian guy from Suriname and others was Spanish people.

2 older ladies were searched.

They used a paper swabbed my hands.

Under my shirt and my hand luggage.

Put it in a machine it made some sounds.

Then I was allowed to board he said it was a random selection no one was targeted.

So that's it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2666513]You are speaking from a vacationer/tourist point of view. If you lived there or traveled there every month would you seriously look at it as being peanuts giving a different beautiful young energetic girl $100 everyday? More than likely you would not, knowing their rent is $120 for the entire month and people in a normal job make $200 per month.

People that live places or travel to places often tend to seek out and pay more of the local rate than a vacationing spendthrift cares to think about. $100 to three girls IS peanuts over 1 week of vacation. But if a mf is constantly there it would be ridiculous for him to spend $100 on every chick he fucks in a third world country.

My first time to Chiang Mai, Thailand I was looking for a tour to do. Of course being a vacationer I wanted to have things lined up as many guys on this site do with women. Online I saw the tour that I wanted. It was $100. Being that I lived in a different part of Thailand that price sounded a little off to me, so I did not purchase it. When I landed at the airport in Chiang Mai they had booths with the same tour for sale. The price was $60. Still I did not bite.

When I got to the hotel, they were selling the same exact all-day Golden Triangle tour for $30. A normal vacationer would have probably bought the $100 tour when he saw it online since it was peanuts compared to all the money they spent on tickets and hotels, but they would have been in the exact same van getting the exact same service as me, the guy that waited until he was on the ground at the hotel and paid $30.

If it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to give the extra money then have at it, but you are fucking the same pussy and getting the same smiles as the guy who paid the common rate.[/QUOTE]That's one reason most people go on vacation to enjoy themselves.

Not to pinch pennies. Does not matter if you live there or travel every month.

Just go and enjoy the time you are there.

You worry what other people pay to enjoy themselves.

I think people earn to make life better.

So don't make the locals laugh at you.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2666470]Hi.

You guys only talk about prices.

Why spend all that money on tickets hotels and food but don't want to give a beautiful young energetic girl 75 or 100 dollars.

That's peanuts. One guy said at the sport bar it's 30 k pesos for a smirnoff ice.

Sureman.[/QUOTE]I'm just expounding more on what MR E said: Go to the ads and see that for example most housekeepers in Colombia earn about 13 dollars for about 6 hours work, that is about $2. 50 and hour so a street walker girl (average in looks) who can make 15 dollars in 30 minutes is making like 12 times what an unskilled laborer is making. None of this includes the money put out for love hotels. Street walkers make decent money by Colombian standards

A FB chica makes about $50 in two hours so that is 20 times what a laborer makes. It also like MR E says. It is the margin that matters. If I am on a three week trip I could be with 2 FB chicas a day that's 40 chicas, if I pay them 75 each that total is 1000 dollars difference. Pay them 100 that's 2000 dollars difference - 1st rule of economics says "rational people think at the margin". These FB chicas are making excellent money by Colombian standards.

My opinion on how much to pay the girls is a ymmv basis. For example, When I picked up on that Brazilian Gabbie Carter on the beach in front of Othon Palace, I asked her how much and she said 200 reals which was 50 bucks at that time. Do you think I sat there and said her rent is probably 100 dollars a month so I better offer her 100 reals. I didn't give a crap, I was with the hottest chic I had ever been with, with natural DD and a body that screamed sex. The going rate was around 200 to 250 reals back then for gringos. That's what I paid. Don't overpay, but don't miss a opportunity for great memories because the locals might pay 25 bucks and they are charging you 50 bucks. Get over it, they are poor.

Later in the week I was in help and found another hottie that wanted 250 reals. I offered 200, and she said no, so off we went for 250. I was with her probably 6 times on two separate trips until she got fat and lost her body, but she was great while it lasted. You have to take advantage of these situations if you're young because you won't be able to bang all these hotties all week when you're 50 or 60.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2666694]I'm just expounding more on what MR E said: Go to the ads and see that for example most housekeepers in Colombia earn about 13 dollars for about 6 hours work, that is about $2. 50 and hour so a street walker girl (average in looks) who can make 15 dollars in 30 minutes is making like 12 times what an unskilled laborer is making. None of this includes the money put out for love hotels. Street walkers make decent money by Colombian standards

A FB chica makes about $50 in two hours so that is 20 times what a laborer makes. It also like MR E says. It is the margin that matters. If I am on a three week trip I could be with 2 FB chicas a day that's 40 chicas, if I pay them 75 each that total is 1000 dollars difference. Pay them 100 that's 2000 dollars difference - 1st rule of economics says "rational people think at the margin". These FB chicas are making excellent money by Colombian standards.[/QUOTE]They should make more money than a hotel worker. They are selling their body. It's a soul crushing job for a girl even if you're kind and they are attractive to you. They can only do it for a short time. I've seen girls hit the wall in 3 years in this business. I was with a hooker in Tijuana and her body was a 10.3 years later I lost interest because she gained so much weight. She turned into a 5 at best.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2666535]Can you be a little more specific about the secondary search?

When you enter into the International gate at the airport, after they confirm you have a boarding pass, there are typically two Colombian police whom are looking at Passports and decide whom may be sent for a more thorough search by the Police, besides airport security. I have seen the Colombian police going thru peoples things, paperwork, etc.

You said it was a secondary search, yet I have never seen a secondary search of anyone after going thru the main checkpoint.

I have flown on Avianca, Copa, and American and have yet to see this during the last seven years.

Was it conducted just prior to boarding the plane, and if so by whom?

Just curious, that's all.[/QUOTE]I've seen this in the US and I think I've seen it in either Bogota or Medellin (not certain because I wasn't one who was pulled).

When it happened to me in the US some of us were pulled aside just before boarding. Carry on baggage was checked and we were either frisked or scanned with the metal detector wand. In my case I believe I was selected because I changed my flight at the last minute.

I'm a bit paranoid about missing my flight because of something beyond my control, so I usually arrive about 2 hours early. That time, once I arrived I realized there was an earlier flight available and was able to switch at no cost.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2666681]Let me reply to the search.

As I was about to check in a guy all suited up ask a few questions about if left the city of Medellin. I said no and asked what I did.

I said I stayed in Laurels but went to El Poblado for dinner.

It was not the police.

Probably working for American Airlines.

He spoke perfect English.

I checked in did the security check.

Went to the boarding area.

About 2 hours they started to call some names.

I heard mine but no AA repwas by the boarding gate.

So 15 minutes later names were called again. I saw the female rep that checked me in.

I went up to her she collected my boarding pass.

As boarding was started at the side saw the the that spoke to me doing the searches.

My and another Indian guy from Suriname and others was Spanish people.

2 older ladies were searched.

They used a paper swabbed my hands.

Under my shirt and my hand luggage.

Put it in a machine it made some sounds.

Then I was allowed to board he said it was a random selection no one was targeted.

So that's it.[/QUOTE]There was some more info posted on this back in October I think. I found an article on it online a while back too. Basically the US TSA is responsible for these searches. On international flights that are bound to the US the TSA is monitoring all people who book those flights from any countries, not just Colombia, and they "randomly" select people for an SSSS search and communicate with the airlines and have them conduct the searches. I believe you will have somewhat of a heads up as you won't be able to check in online like normal, and when you get checked in at the airport the paper boarding pass will have the letters SSSS on them. Agn this is only on flights bound to the US.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2666687]You worry what other people pay to enjoy themselves. I think people earn to make life better. So don't make the locals laugh at you.[/QUOTE]Looks like you have it backwards. With you paying $100 for something that costs $30, the one that the locals is laughing at is you!

No idea how it makes your life better to walk into McDonald's and pay $10 for a Big Mac that says $3 on the menu, but as I said it will give you are warm and fuzzy feeling, but you will get the same 2 beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese as everyone else that stood in line and paid $3.

Don't worry though. The locals are getting the same thing from laughing at you as you are getting for paying three times more; nothing.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2666681]Let me reply to the search.

As I was about to check in a guy all suited up ask a few questions about if left the city of Medellin. I said no and asked what I did.

I said I stayed in Laurels but went to El Poblado for dinner.

It was not the police.

Probably working for American Airlines.

He spoke perfect English.

I checked in did the security check.

Went to the boarding area.

About 2 hours they started to call some names.

I heard mine but no AA repwas by the boarding gate.

So 15 minutes later names were called again. I saw the female rep that checked me in.

I went up to her she collected my boarding pass.

As boarding was started at the side saw the the that spoke to me doing the searches.

My and another Indian guy from Suriname and others was Spanish people.

2 older ladies were searched.

They used a paper swabbed my hands.

Under my shirt and my hand luggage.

Put it in a machine it made some sounds.

Then I was allowed to board he said it was a random selection no one was targeted.

So that's it.[/QUOTE]I've been called once out of about 20 trips to MDE too. Same deal.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2666694]I'm just expounding more on what MR E said: Go to the ads and see that for example most housekeepers in Colombia earn about 13 dollars for about 6 hours work, that is about $2. 50 and hour so a street walker girl (average in looks) who can make 15 dollars in 30 minutes is making like 12 times what an unskilled laborer is making.[/QUOTE]That housekeeper is getting paid for every hour she is at her work site. The street walker is only getting paid when she is with a customer. She may have only one 30 minute session in six hours, and maybe none. Your example is like comparing the hourly wage of a self-employed handy man to an hourly paid full time maintenance man at a factory, hotel, etc. Some days the self employed person may have lots of customers, and some days very few or none.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2666777]Looks like you have it backwards. With you paying $100 for something that costs $30, the one that the locals is laughing at is you!

Don't worry though. The locals are getting the same thing from laughing at you as you are getting for paying three times more; nothing.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I cannot tell you how many times I have gotten into a cab with my gal, and we have a cab driver looking to fleece us. I see what they see, an older man with a younger hot gal, and the cabbies think they can fleece me with the ride. If I object to the fare, it looks like I have no money and look like a fool in front of the woman.

So I cannot tell you how many times a cabbie will say a ride is 20 mil and my gal will chime in and say, "No, that is a 10 mil ride" and scold the cabbie in her motherly "I am so ashamed of you" voice. Those cabbies sink down in their seats after being busted, and after that happens, I assure you the cabbie is not laughing but I am.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2666810]That housekeeper is getting paid for every hour she is at her work site. The street walker is only getting paid when she is with a customer. She may have only one 30 minute session in six hours, and maybe none. Your example is like comparing the hourly wage of a self-employed handy man to an hourly paid full time maintenance man at a factory, hotel, etc. Some days the self employed person may have lots of customers, and some days very few or none.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind that the street chick or self-employed handyman have the freedom to do whatever they want on their time between customers. The hourly workers are expected to be constantly doing some task during those hours. There are pros and cons to everything. Pick your own poison.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2666810]That housekeeper is getting paid for every hour she is at her work site. The street walker is only getting paid when she is with a customer. She may have only one 30 minute session in six hours, and maybe none. Your example is like comparing the hourly wage of a self-employed handy man to an hourly paid full time maintenance man at a factory, hotel, etc. Some days the self employed person may have lots of customers, and some days very few or none.[/QUOTE]That's an excellent point. TJBrazil made some good points too. Let me add to them.

That housekeeper is not only getting a regular paycheck, she's working a regular schedule and she's getting the transportation subsidy. With a regular schedule, she can work something out with a friend, or relative to watch her kids each day. She can take buses and the Metro and save a lot on transportation. She's probably also getting one free meal per day at work.

The street girls and casa girls might be able to work out the same deal and use public transportation, but they don't have the steady income.

The Facebook girls never know when they will work. If they need a babysitter, it's not as easy. They probably can't use public transportation because it takes too long, or isn't available for really late citas. They often need to get showered and ready with almost no notice. Plus they are on their own. A street girl or casa girl is in an environment with some protection. A Facebook girl is going to meet a complete stranger in an unknown place, with more risks involved. One common risk is that they'll arrive and the customer isn't there, sticking them with 2 expensive taxi rides and no money to pay.

It would be much simpler if we could just treat all the girls like a gumball machine. You put in a coin, twist the knob and you get a gumball. It might be a different color, with a different flavor, but everything else will be the same.

There's so much more to it.

The easiest way is to take a look in the mirror. Most of us spent many years earning a living. Some are still working, while the rest are enjoying retirement. Most of us weren't the lowest paid in our chosen profession. Where would each of us be if our earning potential had remained the same as the lowest paid workers? We probably wouldn't be arguing about the price of pussy in other countries, because travel wouldn't be in our budget.

I'm guessing each of us can justify why we deserve (or deserved) to be paid more than entry level. Better performance, more reliable, better at thinking outside the box, or working for a more profitable business are all good reasons. I doubt if many here can look back to their first paycheck and laugh at how much we are overpaid now.

Apply that elsewhere. Grocery prices are cheaper in the poorest parts of the city, property values too. A Mercedes costs more than a Kia.

Why should a girl who services you in a grubby room for 30 minutes be paid the same as a girl who comes to your apartment and stays for 3 hours? Why should a girl who looks like she just stepped off the runway in Milan be paid the same as a woman who looks like she's applying to be Danny DeVito's stunt double? Why would you pay the same for a girl who gives you the fast food restaurant level of service and for a girl with 2 Michelin stars?

Why would the women who get paid more for providing more, be laughing? Anyone here make a habit of laughing at how foolish your boss was each time you got a raise, promotion or bonus? I admit to feeling a bit giddy when I got my most recent raise, but I'm not laughing at my boss.

I don't understand why a girl I paid 200 k (or more) would be seeing another gringo for 30-70 k. Then she's going to laugh with him about me paying her so much more? While she likely is offering a lower price for Colombians, she's probably not telling them she's got a bunch of money in her pocket. Not unless she wants to get fucked and robbed.

Everyone should be figuring out the price that works for them, then find the girls who will accept that price. If you can't find acceptable girls at that price, you can keep looking. After all, there's supposedly no difference between the girls getting $500 a session and the girls getting 30 k.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2666841]Keep in mind that the street chick or self-employed handyman have the freedom to do whatever they want on their time between customers. The hourly workers are expected to be constantly doing some task during those hours. There are pros and cons to everything. Pick your own poison.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind that some self-employed handymen charge less than the franchise service company and some charge more. If I want to remodel my kitchen, the highest quote might be 3 times higher than the lowest. Will I get identical results no matter how much I pay? Maybe, but probably not. I could also get 3 identical quotes and get 3 different results.

Consider the work you do. Is everyone who does the same work paid the same price? If you earn above average, should you be paid less? If you work on something for 4 hours, should you receive the same amount as someone who put in 45 minutes? If your work is always to the highest standards, should you only be paid as much as the guy who needs constant supervision?

If you're responsible for hiring workers, do you only consider the people who will accept the lowest pay? If you did, would you expect the same production as the people who expect more?

In my experience, when I provide a better work environment and pay better, the results outweigh the costs. When I was hiring workers almost every day, I provided water and Gatorade and I paid more with incentives for a job well done. If needed I would buy lunch. Usually jobs were finished quicker with less problems. The next time I needed someone in that town, one phone call would get me the best people and my overall costs were the same or better than if I paid the lowest rate. Another bonus, I didn't have to work as hard.

I use the same philosophy with girls. I stay in nice places, at a reasonable price. I pay more for girls to come to me, on my schedule. I could pay much less in El Centro, but the environment is not as good as, the time is not as long, the typical girl is not as attractive and the average level of service is less. Plus, I'm limited to who is available at that moment.

I'm not saying everyone should do what I do, stay where I stay and pay what I pay. Instead everyone should do what works best for them and recognize that other people want different things and will be paying different prices.

Yes, you are correct on all points.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2666625]That's because those phones were both CDMA and GSM so it had a sim card slot for the GSM function of the phone. If a phone was only CDMA it didn't have a sim card.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2666700]They should make more money than a hotel worker. They are selling their body. It's a soul crushing job for a girl even if you're kind and they are attractive to you. They can only do it for a short time. I've seen girls hit the wall in 3 years in this business. I was with a hooker in Tijuana and her body was a 10.3 years later I lost interest because she gained so much weight. She turned into a 5 at best.[/QUOTE]Then I guess you would agree w Sureman. But I don't agree with this view at all. There is nothing so special about selling your body that should make the price high. Sell your knowledge, sell your education, sell your time, sell a car, sell a cellphone, sell your body. I don't see a significant difference. Only to people that are brought up in a culture where the act of sex is elevated to some esteemed level of significane and importance. But this is not the case in many, many countries, incl Colombia. And the prices and volumes of sex workers bears this out. For every girl that hits the wall after 3 years, there are countless others that don't. For every soul crushed, there are countless others that have a great time and living a better life than they could have achieved otherwise. Girls get fat or out of shape from their lifestyle choices for a 100 different factors.

That's why I said girls get paid "peanuts" for sex - bcos they are selling peanuts. It may as well be. There is no material difference. In fact, the coffee and candy girls in El Centro are living proof!

IMO.

And what's more, if I felt like you do, I doubt that I would monger.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2666888]Then I guess you would agree w Sureman. But I don't agree with this view at all. There is nothing so special about selling your body that should make the price high. Sell your knowledge, sell your education, sell your time, sell a car, sell a cellphone, sell your body. I don't see a significant difference. Only to people that are brought up in a culture where the act of sex is elevated to some esteemed level of significane and importance. But this is not the case in many, many countries, incl Colombia. And the prices and volumes of sex workers bears this out. For every girl that hits the wall after 3 years, there are countless others that don't. For every soul crushed, there are countless others that have a great time and living a better life than they could have achieved otherwise. Girls get fat or out of shape from their lifestyle choices for a 100 different factors.

That's why I said girls get paid "peanuts" for sex - bcos they are selling peanuts. It may as well be. There is no material difference. In fact, the coffee and candy girls in El Centro are living proof!

IMO.

And what's more, if I felt like you do, I doubt that I would monger.[/QUOTE]This is 100% true. Maybe some girls get burnt out after a while but it is because of their religious views not because of their inability to be service providers. My homegirl Violeta (also in Tijuana) has been working since like 2003 and she is still out there in callejon Coahuila working everyday. These girls make way more money working this industry than they would working in a fucking Éxito or D1 or what have you, and many of them are happy with the desicions they have made and the money that they make.

A webcam girl I've known for a few years just hit the gringo jackpot. She about to marry a 60 something West Coast guy whose pockets are loaded. They've known each other for less than 1 year. She has an American credit card, about to go through the visa process, and goes on spending sprees with him. I know this firsthand since I used to mess with her back then and we kept in touch.

I went to visit her barrio and her place is all decked out. A total 180 from a year ago when I was last there. It went from a small bare bones no furniture house to a full fledge penthouse haha no joke. I guess no such thing as building permits in Medellin. She’s smart, she keeps the outside modest, but inside it’s a like a high end Poblado spot. I see pictures of them in seemingly monthly vacations. I'm happy for her, but damn. My fellow gringo, if you are on this board (I highly doubt he is), DON'T DO IT! But do what makes you happy. Just knowing who she is, not sure how long this engagement / marriage will last. Funny thing, I know and talk to her family when I visit and I said your daughter / niece is the luckiest girl in the barrio and they all agreed hehe.

Today, I saw a fellow American or Canadian Chino in his 30's roaming around alone in my neck of the woods. Not sure if he's on this forum, but sorry bro, I already called dibs on the northern suburbs hehe. I kindly ask you to go back down south for your safety, and please leave your cargo shorts at home. But if we cross paths again, I'll buy you a beer hehe.

What's funny is that people will talk about how terrible prostitution is because it's soul-crushing, dirty, whatever and then walk past 3 female janitors who spend 8 - 12 hours per day for less than minimum wage literally cleaning up other people's sh*t and not give them a second thought. So is the concern really, truly about everyone in the world having a high paying, clean, sophisticated job?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2666888]Then I guess you would agree w Sureman. But I don't agree with this view at all. There is nothing so special about selling your body that should make the price high. Sell your knowledge, sell your education, sell your time, sell a car, sell a cellphone, sell your body. I don't see a significant difference. Only to people that are brought up in a culture where the act of sex is elevated to some esteemed level of significane and importance. But this is not the case in many, many countries, incl Colombia. And the prices and volumes of sex workers bears this out. For every girl that hits the wall after 3 years, there are countless others that don't. For every soul crushed, there are countless others that have a great time and living a better life than they could have achieved otherwise. Girls get fat or out of shape from their lifestyle choices for a 100 different factors.

That's why I said girls get paid "peanuts" for sex - bcos they are selling peanuts. It may as well be. There is no material difference. In fact, the coffee and candy girls in El Centro are living proof!.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2666965]A webcam girl I've known for a few years just hit the gringo jackpot. She about to marry a 60 something West Coast guy whose pockets are loaded. They've known each other for less than 1 year. She has an American credit card, about to go through the visa process, and goes on spending sprees with him. I know this firsthand since I used to mess with her back then and we kept in touch.

I went to visit her barrio and her place is all decked out. A total 180 from a year ago when I was last there. It went from a small bare bones no furniture house to a full fledge penthouse haha no joke. I guess no such thing as building permits in Medellin. Shes smart, she keeps the outside modest, but inside its a like a high end Poblado spot. I see pictures of them in seemingly monthly vacations. I'm happy for her, but damn. My fellow gringo, if you are on this board (I highly doubt he is), DON'T DO IT! But do what makes you happy. Just knowing who she is, not sure how long this engagement / marriage will last. Funny thing, I know and talk to her family when I visit and I said your daughter / niece is the luckiest girl in the barrio and they all agreed hehe..[/QUOTE]This webcam girl hasn't even cashed out yet.

I know a gringo dentist in his sixties who has a Paisa girlfriend half his age who has a daughter that he has known for like 4 years. About three years ago he bought a Penthouse apartment in Poblado which they have lived in together for over three years.

I believe under Colombian law that after two years of a couple living together, they are considered married, and if and when she want's to split, she is entitled to half of everything in Colombia if she decides to pursue this.

I brought this up to him, and he seemed resigned to it possibly happening.

He's loaded as well, and perhaps for some of the most wealthy, it's just chump change to them, and worth the happiness.

Like many of us, we use our small heads when we get enamored with some of these women.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2666521]Downtown is not a tourist area.[/QUOTE]I know what you're saying, but it is and it isn't. Any time I pass by that way I see at least 5 or 6 gringos mongering by tostao, from 0 to 20 mongering in Botero / Veracruz area, and then also multiple walking tours. That being said it would be bizarre to see a 3 star hotel spring up there. Also I think Nutibara would be pretty nice if it were correctly managed (10th floor).

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2666967]What's funny is that people will talk about how terrible prostitution is because it's soul-crushing, dirty, whatever and then walk past 3 female janitors who spend 8 - 12 hours per day for less than minimum wage literally cleaning up other people's sh*t and not give them a second thought. So is the concern really, truly about everyone in the world having a high paying, clean, sophisticated job?[/QUOTE]So many non mongers I speak to assume the hookers I get are sex trafficked, underage crackheads.

It's people talking out of their ass, Every WG I've asked prefer sex work than the shitty min. Wag job they were working prior, and the 4-5 x increase in pay not only helps them, but their kids.

just had a great GFE with a casa girl today who's been there for 7 months, i repeat with her, and she literally said she loves her job. she was working as a secretary before and was making dog sh*t.
now she has time to workout, eat healthier, and spend time with her kids. (her words). street girls is a diff story but the point stands. the vennies in Botero I've asked RE this subject make enough to not work weekends (work when they want to), afford their own rent, and send money back home.
The pretty girls int eh orange jump suits cleaning shit on the street have too much dignity IMO LOL!

[URL]https://www.alertapaisa.com/noticias/valle-de-aburra/en-medellin-retiran-el-uso-de-tapabocas-en-espacios-publicos[/URL]

AKA open season on non-pros. Tis the season.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2666989]No more outdoor masks in MDE [/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. I wondered why there were so many people walking around in masks outside. Hehe. I didn't realise there was a state demand for it. I have been walking around without any pretence of a mask for the past year (after the previous year of walking around with one around my neck).

Yet more proof, if we needed any, that these regulations are just plucked out of their arses. Nearly everyone in the world agrees that masks outside are totally pointless. There is less agreement on them being useless indoors too, but. One step at a time.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2666767]There was some more info posted on this back in October I think. I found an article on it online a while back too. Basically the US TSA is responsible for these searches. On international flights that are bound to the US the TSA is monitoring all people who book those flights from any countries, not just Colombia, and they "randomly" select people for an SSSS search and communicate with the airlines and have them conduct the searches. I believe you will have somewhat of a heads up as you won't be able to check in online like normal, and when you get checked in at the airport the paper boarding pass will have the letters SSSS on them. Agn this is only on flights bound to the US.[/QUOTE]Dealt with this in Europe traveling back to the USA A few times. I think they're checking for drugs.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2666867] A Facebook girl is going to meet a complete stranger in an unknown place, with more risks involved. One common risk is that they'll arrive [b]ridiculously fucking late without calling[/b], and the customer isn't there, sticking them with 2 expensive taxi rides [b]or some pelotudo from her barrio[/b] and no money to pay.[/QUOTE]Fixed that for you.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2666965]A webcam girl I've known for a few years just hit the gringo jackpot. She about to marry a 60 something West Coast guy whose pockets are loaded. They've known each other for less than 1 year. She has an American credit card, about to go through the visa process, and goes on spending sprees with him. I know this firsthand since I used to mess with her back then and we kept in touch.

I went to visit her barrio and her place is all decked out. A total 180 from a year ago when I was last there. It went from a small bare bones no furniture house to a full fledge penthouse haha no joke. I guess no such thing as building permits in Medellin. Shes smart, she keeps the outside modest, but inside its a like a high end Poblado spot. I see pictures of them in seemingly monthly vacations. I'm happy for her, but damn. My fellow gringo, if you are on this board (I highly doubt he is), DON'T DO IT! But do what makes you happy. Just knowing who she is, not sure how long this engagement / marriage will last. Funny thing, I know and talk to her family when I visit and I said your daughter / niece is the luckiest girl in the barrio and they all agreed hehe.

Today, I saw a fellow American or Canadian Chino in his 30's roaming around alone in my neck of the woods. Not sure if he's on this forum, but sorry bro, I already called dibs on the northern suburbs hehe. I kindly ask you to go back down south for your safety, and please leave your cargo shorts at home. But if we cross paths again, I'll buy you a beer hehe.[/QUOTE]You think like a kid. 80% of Americans are married women which are 0 of 10 and have to work hard to keep them happy. If a man in his 60th paying to a young girl to keep him happy he is a lot more smart that 80% of Americans. In addition, it's not allowed to bring your money to another world.

I am a long-time veteran of mongering in Cuba during its heyday, Costa Rica during its heyday, and Nuevo Laredo as well. Medellin is the new playground. Each trip I have something of a focus. After RTFF, this trip I decided to concentrate on candy and coffee girls in Centro. I am mostly a day / evening guy anyway, so this worked out perfect. I did do the Lleres however. I had seen the candy and coffee girls many times, but never thought to approach them until my brothers here enlightened me. They were not wrong. I had excellent experiences with some very cute ladies, who all wanted 30. I upgraded for my sick fetishes. Up to 50 and a couple of times to 100 (max $25), and they jumped on it like a dog on a bone. Pun intended. Clearly one has to do more due diligence, but they are out there and they are plentiful. Generally speaking, odds are better for a great time, GFE, with a coffee or candy girl than they standard Centro worker at the same spot every day. Thanks for the heads up.

As a side note, I had a hotel a block from Lleres, but also got an inexpensive condo 2 blocks away to play in. Nice to have both. Hotel was the safe house. The receptionist noticed I did not bring ladies back and I told her that I was only interested in her. Not the hookers at the park. She had my phone number off my registration and called me. Spent two nights with her at the condo after she got off work. Of course gave her a propina as well. She did not ask, but strongly hinted. LMAO.

Anyway, was another trip for the books. I should post more as I did in my younger days. Will try do do better. Til later.

Happy hunting.

Snook.

[QUOTE=Snook;2667031]I am a long-time veteran of mongering in Cuba during its heyday, Costa Rica during its heyday, and Nuevo Laredo as well. Medellin is the new playground. Each trip I have something of a focus. After RTFF, this trip I decided to concentrate on candy and coffee girls in Centro. I am mostly a day / evening guy anyway, so this worked out perfect. I did do the Lleres however. I had seen the candy and coffee girls many times, but never thought to approach them until my brothers here enlightened me. They were not wrong. I had excellent experiences with some very cute ladies, who all wanted 30. I upgraded for my sick fetishes. Up to 50 and a couple of times to 100 (max $25), and they jumped on it like a dog on a bone. Pun intended. Clearly one has to do more due diligence, but they are out there and they are plentiful. Generally speaking, odds are better for a great time, GFE, with a coffee or candy girl than they standard Centro worker at the same spot every day. Thanks for the heads up.

As a side note, I had a hotel a block from Lleres, but also got an inexpensive condo 2 blocks away to play in. Nice to have both. Hotel was the safe house. The receptionist noticed I did not bring ladies back and I told her that I was only interested in her. Not the hookers at the park. She had my phone number off my registration and called me. Spent two nights with her at the condo after she got off work. Of course gave her a propina as well. She did not ask, but strongly hinted. LMAO..[/QUOTE]Thank you for your report.

What is candy and coffee girls? And are there any termas or clubs or Medellin is more like a catching sw?

Did you find it easy to get BBFS or that's not your cup of tea?

Last question: where can I find top quality gals in Medellin?

[QUOTE=Snook;2667031]I am a long-time veteran of mongering in Cuba during its heyday, Costa Rica during its heyday, and Nuevo Laredo as well. Medellin is the new playground. Each trip I have something of a focus. After RTFF, this trip I decided to concentrate on candy and coffee girls in Centro. I am mostly a day / evening guy anyway, so this worked out perfect. I did do the Lleres however. I had seen the candy and coffee girls many times, but never thought to approach them until my brothers here enlightened me. They were not wrong. I had excellent experiences with some very cute ladies, who all wanted 30. I upgraded for my sick fetishes. Up to 50 and a couple of times to 100 (max $25), and they jumped on it like a dog on a bone. Pun intended. Clearly one has to do more due diligence, but they are out there and they are plentiful. Generally speaking, odds are better for a great time, GFE, with a coffee or candy girl than they standard Centro worker at the same spot every day. Thanks for the heads up.

As a side note, I had a hotel a block from Lleres, but also got an inexpensive condo 2 blocks away to play in. Nice to have both. Hotel was the safe house. The receptionist noticed I did not bring ladies back and I told her that I was only interested in her. Not the hookers at the park. She had my phone number off my registration and called me. Spent two nights with her at the condo after she got off work. Of course gave her a propina as well. She did not ask, but strongly hinted. LMAO.[/QUOTE]How did you go about hooking up with the candy and coffee people? Were you straight forward? Did you kinda test the waters and feel about and see what they was going to say before taking the plunge?

[QUOTE=SureMan;2666681]

As boarding was started at the side saw the the that spoke to me doing the searches.

My and another Indian guy from Suriname and others was Spanish people.

2 older ladies were searched.

They used a paper swabbed my hands.

Under my shirt and my hand luggage.

Put it in a machine it made some sounds.

So that's it.[/QUOTE]About twelve years ago I started making trips to Colombia, only then I was only going to Cartagena. Cartagena had a fairly small airport back then, it has tripled in size now but back then it really had a third world feel to the place. When you would be heading to the boarding gate, bofore you entered the actual terminal you passed through uniformed solidiers with machinge guns slung in front of them "at the ready" style.

Every time I would get called over to the side by these machine gun toting soldiers and I would have to put my luggage on a table in front of them as they went through it and evertime they would send me up a little flight of stairs off the the side where I had to stand on a conveyer belt that past me through and x-ray. So these days it is quite the different experience.

While yes 1 million cop a month is a lot of money for the average Colombian. You're dealing with young girls who stare at social media all day and want things the rest of the world has.

For example phones, designer clothes, cars, etc.

The problem is the price for these things is the same in Colombia as in the states.

So from that perspective the "hotter girls" or the more in demand girls think 200-300 mil is not a lot of money.

I know girls are happy averaging 300 mil a week and others who make 4-5 million cop a week!!

A couple of Vanes girls that use to be 200 mil a pop won't take anything less than 500 which is laughable because I don't believe they are in the 500 mil class.

As I stated before with the short shelf life of this occupation can you blame the girls for trying to get more $$.

My only issue with girls is not about how much $$ they make but it seems like the more they start charging the service actually deteriorates. When they start flexing like they are hot shit and are an absolute lousy lay!! They're still prostituting and they think they're better than someone because of their new found financial status which never lasts long.

I'm all for girls or anyone doing what they got to do to make $$ as long as they don't harm another human.

But you would think charging more you would at least want to keep your customers coming back LOL.

I had an excellent session last night with a metro girl that I found standing in the stairs underneath the metro Parque Berrio station. Cute 20 year old vennie spinner with died brown / dirty blonde hair. We went to hotel botero real. She only wanted 30 k COP but I upgraded a bit I got her to give me BBBJ as well as as BBFS with CIP for about an hour for 80 k COP. Excellent service she had the nicest little shaved pussy that fit me like a glove and knew how to move her body. Very sensual tambien with DFK kissing and tongue play. She got on top and made herself cum too. And while I was banging the crap out of her tight hole trying to get my nut she kept saying Ay Dios and Mierda LOL. I made her cum as 2nd time as I was getting mine. Excellent service and worth every peso.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2666830]Yeah, I cannot tell you how many times I have gotten into a cab with my gal, and we have a cab driver looking to fleece us. I see what they see, an older man with a younger hot gal, and the cabbies think they can fleece me with the ride. If I object to the fare, it looks like I have no money and look like a fool in front of the woman.[/QUOTE]Agree. Seems like every where I go. It happens about 30% of the time. It kills the mood, so I flat out refuse to use a taxi.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2492093]Being a pharmacist, I say the generic drugs are the way to go. The active ingredient of both the generic & band name drugs are made in the same place. The active ingredient is then sent to the various manufacturers, where they stamp out the pills or make into capsules.[/QUOTE]What OTC drugs in Colombia would you recommend bringing back for personal use that may be prescription only in the USA? Thinking maybe along the lines of general pain and to lower cholesterol or blood pressure.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2667201]What OTC drugs in Colombia would you recommend bringing back for personal use that may be prescription only in the USA? Thinking maybe along the lines of general pain and to lower cholesterol or blood pressure.[/QUOTE]Antibiotics.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2667196]Agree. Seems like every where I go. It happens about 30% of the time. It kills the mood, so I flat out refuse to use a taxi.[/QUOTE]Download this app called inDriver its like Uber but better and it works really good in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2667257]Download this app called inDriver its like Uber but better and it works really good in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Yes really good, and worth its weight in gold for first time visitor not speaking Spanish, never say a word order on phone and jump in and be on your way with zero jam up, can't recommend it enough! Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2667162]I had an excellent session last night with a metro girl that I found standing in the stairs underneath the metro Parque Berrio station. Cute 20 year old vennie spinner with died brown / dirty blonde hair. We went to hotel botero real. She only wanted 30 k COP but I upgraded a bit I got her to give me BBBJ as well as as BBFS with CIP for about an hour for 80 k COP. Excellent service she had the nicest little shaved pussy that fit me like a glove and knew how to move her body. Very sensual tambien with DFK kissing and tongue play. She got on top and made herself cum too. And while I was banging the crap out of her tight hole trying to get my nut she kept saying Ay Dios and Mierda LOL. I made her cum as 2nd time as I was getting mine. Excellent service and worth every peso.[/QUOTE]Dammit you've let the cat out of the bag.

Yes, there are some nice ones that hang around the stairs going up to the Paque Berrio Metro Station.

And they work the area, hoping to snag a client before guys walk over to ground zero.

As far as what you paid, you might have just laid out the program you wanted before pulling her, and told her what you were willing to pay.

That's at least how some guys I know who are gringos work El Centro, and maybe that's what you did, but everybody handles things differently, with no right way or wrong way, and for approximately $ 20 USD well worth it.

And sounds like when she said "shit" in Spanish, she was cumming as well.

[QUOTE=ObioBrian;2667046]How did you go about hooking up with the candy and coffee people? Were you straight forward? Did you kinda test the waters and feel about and see what they was going to say before taking the plunge?[/QUOTE]If you don't speak Spanish, your going to have a hard time, especially with the "coffee girls", versus the "candy girls". This may not make sense to you, but there is a difference between them. Good Luck!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2667257]Download this app called inDriver its like Uber but better and it works really good in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Yeah, all those are in the app store list. I use Didi. InDriver asks you to offer a price and see who accepts. If nobody accepts you increase your offering price and try again. I rarely ever need a ride so I have no idea what to offer and I do not want to go back and forth. I like street girls and get a hotel within walking distance to them.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2667201]What OTC drugs in Colombia would you recommend bringing back for personal use that may be prescription only in the USA? Thinking maybe along the lines of general pain and to lower cholesterol or blood pressure.[/QUOTE]Buy prescription drugs in the 3rd world.

Some buy Viagra etc, I won't even do that.

The quality or lack thereof may kill you or your loved ones (or maybe not).

The more critical it is to your health the more critical it is that you buy the "real" thing from a western pharmacy in a western country.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2666698]My opinion on how much to pay the girls is a ymmv basis. For example, When I picked up on that Brazilian Gabbie Carter on the beach in front of Othon Palace, I asked her how much and she said 200 reals which was 50 bucks at that time. Do you think I sat there and said her rent is probably 100 dollars a month so I better offer her 100 reals. I didn't give a crap, I was with the hottest chic I had ever been with, with natural DD and a body that screamed sex. The going rate was around 200 to 250 reals back then for gringos. That's what I paid. Don't overpay, but don't miss a opportunity for great memories because the locals might pay 25 bucks and they are charging you 50 bucks. Get over it, they are poor.

Later in the week I was in help and found another hottie that wanted 250 reals. I offered 200, and she said no, so off we went for 250.[/QUOTE]You said it right at first, payment for a freelancer is a ymmv situation. But then you turn around and talk about a going rate. Which is it? How can it be both? Because I lived in Rio during those times and the most I ever gave a chick from Help was 150 reais for all night. There were indeed reports on ISG of guys giving them 300. A chick off the beach or at Meia Pataca during the day? 100 reais.

What does anyone being poor have to do with anything?

I just took an Indriver from the airport in Bogota. I paid 14,400 pesos. I could have paid 17,000 to another driver that put in his bid. I could have paid 38,500 for an Uber. I could have paid 40,000 for a taxi. Which of these is the going rate for a ride from the airport and why should I have gotten the ride for 40,000 versus the one I took for 14,400? The Indriver that brought me was actually a yellow taxi anyway.

I mean all these guys are probably poor and putting wear and tear on their cars. And they have to sit in those small cars all day and make their way through heavy traffic. My guy even lifted my heavy ass suitcase. Should I have just given him 26,000 more to match the 40,000 airport taxi?

I get it though. Pussy makes guys "not give a crap" and proud of doing things they would not ordinarily do in any other situation.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2666681]Let me reply to the search.

As I was about to check in a guy all suited up ask a few questions about if left the city of Medellin. I said no and asked what I did.

I said I stayed in Laurels but went to El Poblado for dinner.

It was not the police.

Probably working for American Airlines.

He spoke perfect English.

I checked in did the security check..[/QUOTE]I had that happen to me in Miami once and they used swabs or pieces of cloth. Search was because I changed flights somewhere along the line from what I had originally booked and it was my birthday to add some insult. They weren't looking for drugs but said chemicals or bomb ingredients. I left Colombia yesterday, Medellin, and so many lines and checks that it was nuts. Getting in is easy but leaving was tough. I thought I had all forms completed but didn't know I also need exit migration. Be sure to do that fellas. It's a pain doing it standing in line at the airport check-in.

I went to both of these places within the last week, so I thought I would give a review of each and compare.

Esperanza is in Poblado which makes it more convenient than Happy Massage since Happy is in a place where not many mongers would stay. I took an Uber to Happy for like $3, so it's still pretty accessible.

In terms of price, Esperanza was 130 k while Happy was 185 k for body on body massage.

I'm terms of the whole experience, Happy really did feel like luxury which is why it costs more I guess. The person responding to you on WhatsApp is fantastic and speaks English. You arrive and it's really professional. The masseuse leads you to the room and the room is very nice.

In terms of the massage, the massage by Happy was so much better. The woman at Happy was like a 9 in my book while the Esperanza woman was like a 7 or 8. Both really hot, but the Happy masseuse was crazy hot. Also the massage and the whole experience was so much better at Happy. Like obviously we're not really going for a massage, but the Happy masseuse actually gave a really good massage. And in terms of the sexual components she was much better as well. She was great at the body to body part and was really good at "accidentally" touching your dick while massaging. Then she also gave a way better HJ at the end as well.

So overall I would definitely suggest Happy if you are willing to pay the extra money for the Uber and the price.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2667012]Dealt with this in Europe traveling back to the USA A few times. I think they're checking for drugs.[/QUOTE]Yes my boarding pass has. SSSS.

Will always remember this.

I did check in online for AA flight.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2667226]Antibiotics.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Husker Dude!

Actually they are checking for anything and everything. Drugs, undeclared cash in excess of US $10,000, any other contraband. Like most frequent travelers, I have been flagged a handful of times. It's a major pain in the ass. It hasn't happened to me in a few years. Maybe it's because I don't travel as often as I used to.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2667012]Dealt with this in Europe traveling back to the USA A few times. I think they're checking for drugs.[/QUOTE]

No idea if this chick is a 10 or a 2. But I was talking to a Venezuelan chick in Bogota from Cupid and she told me that she does not have time for a boyfriend (what the hell is she doing on the site then), but would hook me up with her cousin in Medellin. I said that I did not want to meet any hookers because I know many women in Medellin are hookers. She said her cousin is not a hooker. Turns out the chick is a nurse. Don't know how I keep ending up with all these nurses in Colombia. Anyway we have been talking and will meet up when I get there in a couple of days.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2666535]Can you be a little more specific about the secondary search?

When you enter into the International gate at the airport, after they confirm you have a boarding pass, there are typically two Colombian police whom are looking at Passports and decide whom may be sent for a more thorough search by the Police, besides airport security. I have seen the Colombian police going thru peoples things, paperwork, etc.

You said it was a secondary search, yet I have never seen a secondary search of anyone after going thru the main checkpoint.

I have flown on Avianca, Copa, and American and have yet to see this during the last seven years.

Was it conducted just prior to boarding the plane, and if so by whom?

Just curious, that's all.[/QUOTE]Happened to me on my last trip. I checked in, no problem. Got my boarding pass. What's different for me than what others reported was there was no SSSS on my boarding pass. Just as they start boarding, they call 6, maybe 8 names. Mine was the last name called. At this point, I just figured it was a routine passport check. I went to the counter and they told me to walk through a door just behind their desk. I got there and there was one man in front of me. He didn't know what was going on either. About that time, they are just about done boarding. He and I were both getting a little antsy.

Eventually, airline employees called us back separately. They explained TSA selected me randomly. So they thoroughly searched my carryon. I had to take out all electronics, turn them on and illustrate 2 apps. Odd. Shoes off and searched. Pretty thorough patdown.

Cost of international travel, I suppose. But damn, how much money is spent with very little payoff.

There is so much to say here. I don't work for minimum wage is the US so why do you guys think a in shape attractive 21 yo should make minimum to be with you. As I said before, they have a short shelf life. They should make as much as they can. I made 200 a day at my job. That's 3 x minimum wage. If 15 a day is minimum in Brazil than that's 45.00 at 3 x. That's about what I was paying in Brazil and Medellin. Why do you guys hate on girls for wanting to make at least that. I just don't get this "I'm going to offer 10 dollars to a 9/10 because that's minimum at a factory". Also, I don't pay 10 for a Big Mac if it says 3. All Big Macs are the same. Not all girls look the same or provide the same service.

Sure, I've had Brazilian girls on the beach offer me 100 reals, but they weren't attractive so I declined. The girls I paid 200 reals too looked amazing, we're in great shape, and they knew it. At least they looked amazing to me. That's what I mean by ymmv. Women learn at a early age what they are worth, by the amount of guys that hit on them and check them out when they are walking around. It's easy for attractive girls in the US to get laid, but ugly girls can't get laid to save their life. I worked with a security guard that weighed 260 pounds. No guys were on her jock. She probably never got laid. It's easy for attractive girls in Rio to get 200 reals back in the day because there was competition for her. Mr E comparing girls to Big Macs and taxi drivers is assinine. I try to get the taxi as cheap as I can because they are like Big Macs to me. I'm not being ripped off by those criminals.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2667151]While yes 1 million cop a month is a lot of money for the average Colombian. You're dealing with young girls who stare at social media all day and want things the rest of the world has.

My only issue with girls is not about how much $$ they make but it seems like the more they start charging the service actually deteriorates. When they start flexing like they are hot shit and are an absolute lousy lay!! They're still prostituting and they think they're better than someone because of their new found financial status which never lasts long.

I'm all for girls or anyone doing what they got to do to make $$ as long as they don't harm another human.

But you would think charging more you would at least want to keep your customers coming back LOL.[/QUOTE]Once a girl gets "known" among the gringo hoard, her price goes up and her service generally gets worse. If a chica quotes a ridiculous price, it's best to put them on ignore and find one who hasn't been on the gringo circuit as long.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2667440]I don't work for minimum wage is the US so why do you guys think a in shape attractive 21 yo should make minimum to be with you.[/QUOTE]Because having a pussy and fucking someone requires no special skills. Half of the planet actually has one. Even the most beautiful model ever has to learn certain skills for their craft and do not start off making top money. All a hooker has to do is open her legs. Evidently a young, pretty chick with nothing else going for herself besides being able to open her legs really amazes some guys.

[QUOTE=Combo;2667473]Once a girl gets "known" among the gringo hoard, her price goes up and her service generally gets worse. If a chica quotes a ridiculous price, it's best to put them on ignore and find one who hasn't been on the gringo circuit as long.[/QUOTE]This I agree with.

FB girls who use to take 200-250 saying they won't come out for so little money anymore.

This is the problem I have with providers because even if you agree to their terms you now know they won't be the same as when they were hungry to make the 200-250.

And this blame falls solely on the weekend warriors who get so fucked up and don't care if they get lousy service.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2667505]This I agree with.

FB girls who use to take 200-250 saying they won't come out for so little money anymore.

This is the problem I have with providers because even if you agree to their terms you now know they won't be the same as when they were hungry to make the 200-250.

And this blame falls solely on the weekend warriors who get so fucked up and don't care if they get lousy service.[/QUOTE]No offense and do correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you use to flex on this board like you only went for 9's and 10's and those 9/10's don't go for 200 k-250 k. The second part might still be true, but people have told you then and you also know now that the higher the price the worse the service. The fact is the looks don't really make up for it. No one's going to argue that 500 k for a session with a 9 is cheap in USD terms, but unless you're a virgin who ejaculates in 1 minute, the experience is going to suck because that's how long she's going to give you to come.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2667440]There is so much to say here. I don't work for minimum wage is the US so why do you guys think a in shape attractive 21 yo should make minimum to be with you. As I said before, they have a short shelf life. They should make as much as they can. I made 200 a day at my job. That's 3 x minimum wage. If 15 a day is minimum in Brazil than that's 45.00 at 3 x. That's about what I was paying in Brazil and Medellin. Why do you guys hate on girls for wanting to make at least that. I just don't get this "I'm going to offer 10 dollars to a 9/10 because that's minimum at a factory". Also, I don't pay 10 for a Big Mac if it says 3. All Big Macs are the same. Not all girls look the same or provide the same service.

Sure, I've had Brazilian girls on the beach offer me 100 reals, but they weren't attractive so I declined. The girls I paid 200 reals too looked amazing, we're in great shape, and they knew it. At least they looked amazing to me. That's what I mean by ymmv. Women learn at a early age what they are worth, by the amount of guys that hit on them and check them out when they are walking around. It's easy for attractive girls in the US to get laid, but ugly girls can't get laid to save their life. I worked with a security guard that weighed 260 pounds..[/QUOTE]You got it exactly right. There's nothing wrong with paying a fair price to get what you want. After all you worked for your money. You should be allowed to decide how to spend it.

If I want a better meal, I go to a better restaurant with better food and I pay more. If I want to stay in a nicer place, I don't go to a $15 a night hotel and I don't go to a nice hotel and insist they only charge me $15 per night. I pay the price appropriate for what I want. And if I want a chunky 30-40 year old woman, I don't hop on a plane. I just go to any bar, smile, buy a drink and take one home. Why waste time and money traveling to pay for what just about anyone can get for free?

I don't understand the weird comparisons. The price at McDonald's is the price at McDonald's. The food at one McDonald's is the same as at another McDonald's. It's not negotiable, it doesn't vary.

Let's try a real comparison. If want a nice filet, I don't go to McDonald's, pay $50 and pretend one of their hamburgers is the same as a filet. I head to a restaurant where I can get a nice filet. I don't tell them I'm only paying the same as I would pay at McDonald's and I'm not paying the filet price and asking the waiter to go get me a burger from McDonald's. I get the filet and I pay for the filet.

As for taxis in Bogota. You walk out of the terminal and hop on the bus to Portal Eldorado. It's free. You get off the bus buy a card for the TransMilenio, get on the bus going to where you want to go. It costs less than 3 k and it's usually quicker than a taxi.

Or use an app, or get one of the airport taxis. Whatever works for you. If paying or saving 10-15 k is going to have any impact on your visit, then you've got a lot bigger problems than what someone else is spending.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667504]Because having a pussy and fucking someone requires no special skills. Half of the planet actually has one. Even the most beautiful model ever has to learn certain skills for their craft and do not start off making top money. All a hooker has to do is open her legs. Evidently a young, pretty chick with nothing else going for herself besides being able to open her legs really amazes some guys.[/QUOTE]I hate to say it, but it seems like you've never had a decent lay. What's worse, apparently you've never given a girl a decent lay.

I've had a few like that, where the girl thinks all she has to do is open her legs. Conversations with some of my ex's taught me that a lot of guys think all there is to fucking is having a hard dick.

Hopefully some day you'll find a woman who knows that there's a helluva lot more to it than just spreading her legs.

For everyone else, take a moment to consider the difference between a lousy blowjob and one that curls your toes. Think about the girls who just lay there and say "leche papi" and the ones who fuck you like it's an Olympic sport. How about the ones who have made you tap out?

There's a huge difference between a girl who needs a bunch of lube just to get inside and the girl who soaks your sheets and rattles the windows with her screams of pleasure.

Like anything else, sex is a combination of skills. Would you rather save a few dollars and limit yourself to women who have no skills, or spend your time with women who earn every peso?

[QUOTE=Combo;2667473]Once a girl gets "known" among the gringo hoard, her price goes up and her service generally gets worse. If a chica quotes a ridiculous price, it's best to put them on ignore and find one who hasn't been on the gringo circuit as long.[/QUOTE]I avoid chicas that are well known to gringos and quotes in dollars or euros. My taste is for the local scene and chicas with low or no gringo mileage.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667504]Because having a pussy and fucking someone requires no special skills. Half of the planet actually has one. Even the most beautiful model ever has to learn certain skills for their craft and do not start off making top money. All a hooker has to do is open her legs. Evidently a young, pretty chick with nothing else going for herself besides being able to open her legs really amazes some guys.[/QUOTE]Thank You.

In broad strokes, the standard theory is pretty straightforward. When a lot of people can do the same job (working girls come a dime a dozen) , the wage for that job is pushed down (because more people can supply their labor). When it takes special skills or education to do a job, wages are pushed up, because fewer people can supply their labor. On the demand side, employers are willing to pay more for an employee that can make them more money.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2666698] You have to take advantage of these situations if you're young because you won't be able to bang all these hotties all week when you're 50 or 60.[/QUOTE]This is going to be Legend. Wait for it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667504]Because having a pussy and fucking someone requires no special skills. Half of the planet actually has one. Even the most beautiful model ever has to learn certain skills for their craft and do not start off making top money. All a hooker has to do is open her legs. Evidently a young, pretty chick with nothing else going for herself besides being able to open her legs really amazes some guys.[/QUOTE]Who said anything about skills. I'm talking about the amount of time and money a girl has to put into herself. Go shave your legs and wax your box every few days or week. Put on makeup every night. It cost a lot of money. You expect them to do all that to look good for 2 dollars an hour. Most of us wouldn't last a month as a woman.

I remember a newbie at Help asked me if You can get a girl out of Help for 50 reals. I laughed. The cover charge was I think 30 reals back then. Yea a girl will pay 30 reals to get in, get all dressed up, do her hair and dress nice for 20 reals profit. The funny part was there was a girl standing next to us who spoke English and understood us. She laughed too and said the same thing I said. She told him he was in the wrong place. You are paying for their youth and beauty which is short lived. Not paying for roofing skills.

Does anyone have any recommendations on any nude maid service? Yes, I am sure I can find a ton of chicas who can do this but that would require me to actively vet some of these girls because 99 percent of them can't be trusted not to steal something. Just an idea I had come up with and was wondering if anyone has done this. Any websites that actively advertise these types of services. I am sure I am not the only one who has considered something like this. I will be there for 2 weeks and my Airbnb won't have room service like I am used to from Poblado-type accommodations. PM is welcome too.

[QUOTE=RedMan0505;2667573]Thank You.

In broad strokes, the standard theory is pretty straightforward. When a lot of people can do the same job (working girls come a dime a dozen) , the wage for that job is pushed down (because more people can supply their labor). When it takes special skills or education to do a job, wages are pushed up, because fewer people can supply their labor. On the demand side, employers are willing to pay more for an employee that can make them more money.[/QUOTE]True, that's why programmers make a lot to start and McDonald's workers make minimum. The difference in mongering is some girls are hotter than others and take better care of themselves. Working girls could be a dime a dozen but attractive ones aren't a dime a dozen. I didn't see one attractive hooker at gustos when I was there. I didn't see one at fase dos or San Diego club. La Isla had maybe 2 that were attractive.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2667505]This I agree with.

FB girls who use to take 200-250 saying they won't come out for so little money anymore.

This is the problem I have with providers because even if you agree to their terms you now know they won't be the same as when they were hungry to make the 200-250.

And this blame falls solely on the weekend warriors who get so fucked up and don't care if they get lousy service.[/QUOTE]BTW don't forget inflation in Brazil the last 15 years. Their cost of living has gone up like ours. 200 real doesn't buy them the same things it did 15 years ago.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2666007]I was there 1 week and was ready to go. Save your 3 week trips for Brazil. Much more to do there. Medellin is pretty boring to be honest and the strip club scene and bars has declined a lot.[/QUOTE]A small Colombian city vs the largest economy in south america that takes up 2/3 of the continent? Silly comparison.

Medellin is fun for getting drunk in fondas and dancing salsa, going on bike rides, hiking, miradores, history, and whatever else, but even comparing it to Salvador isn't fair. It's a city that feels like a town. I love it and I'm glad that many people do not.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2667505]This I agree with.

FB girls who use to take 200-250 saying they won't come out for so little money anymore.

This is the problem I have with providers because even if you agree to their terms you now know they won't be the same as when they were hungry to make the 200-250.

And this blame falls solely on the weekend warriors who get so fucked up and don't care if they get lousy service.[/QUOTE]I have been on trips where I've told half a dozen "popular" ladies the same thing after they quote me a nutty charge: "OK. I only have XXX mil and if you want it you know how to get in touch with me. No hard feelings and have a nice week".

I'd say 10% to 20% of these "stars" contacts me during the week (never a Friday or Saturday, obviously) and agrees to my price.

It is always enough to fill out my horizontal workout schedule to my satisfaction. The most important thing to know about MDE is that the numbers (volume of working ladies) are forever on your side.

What is your medical or pharmaceutical background?

His friend that is a Mexican pharmacist that doesn't recommend Mexican pharmaceuticals.

[QUOTE=Jake2738;2667379]I went to both of these places within the last week, so I thought I would give a review of each and compare.

Esperanza is in Poblado which makes it more convenient than Happy Massage since Happy is in a place where not many mongers would stay. I took an Uber to Happy for like $3, so it's still pretty accessible.

In terms of price, Esperanza was 130 k while Happy was 185 k for body on body massage.

I'm terms of the whole experience, Happy really did feel like luxury which is why it costs more I guess. The person responding to you on WhatsApp is fantastic and speaks English. You arrive and it's really professional. The masseuse leads you to the room and the room is very nice.

In terms of the massage, the massage by Happy was so much better. The woman at Happy was like a 9 in my book while the Esperanza woman was like a 7 or 8. Both really hot, but the Happy masseuse was crazy hot. Also the massage and the whole experience was so much better at Happy. Like obviously we're not really going for a massage, but the Happy masseuse actually gave a really good massage. And in terms of the sexual components she was much better as well. She was great at the body to body part and was really good at "accidentally" touching your dick while massaging. Then she also gave a way better HJ at the end as well.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. So those prices include the HJ? IS there a BJ option? If so, how much more? I'm not much of a HJ guy. Can do that better myself. Jaja.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2667539]You got it exactly right. There's nothing wrong with paying a fair price to get what you want. After all you worked for your money. You should be allowed to decide how to spend it.

If I want a better meal, I go to a better restaurant with better food and I pay more. If I want to stay in a nicer place, I don't go to a $15 a night hotel and I don't go to a nice hotel and insist they only charge me $15 per night. I pay the price appropriate for what I want. And if I want a chunky 30-40 year old woman, I don't hop on a plane. I just go to any bar, smile, buy a drink and take one home. Why waste time and money traveling to pay for what just about anyone can get for free?

I don't understand the weird comparisons. The price at McDonald's is the price at McDonald's. The food at one McDonald's is the same as at another McDonald's. It's not negotiable, it doesn't vary.

Let's try a real comparison. If want a nice filet, I don't go to McDonald's, pay $50 and pretend one of their hamburgers is the same as a filet. I head to a restaurant where I can get a nice filet. I don't tell them I'm only paying the same as I would pay at McDonald's and I'm not paying the filet price and asking the waiter to go get me a burger from McDonald's. I get the filet and I pay for the filet.

As for taxis in Bogota. You walk out of the terminal and hop on the bus to Portal Eldorado. It's free. You get off the bus buy a card for the TransMilenio, get on the bus going to where you want to go. It costs less than 3 k and it's usually quicker than a taxi.

Or use an app, or get one of the airport taxis. Whatever works for you. If paying or saving 10-15 k is going to have any impact on your visit, then you've got a lot bigger problems than what someone else is spending.[/QUOTE]Exactly, I'm not going to fly 12 to 15 hours to Rio, and see Gabbie Carter's twin on the beach in a thong bikini, and when she says 200 reals, I tell her no way. It's 100 reals or nothing. It could work or she could say this guy is a jerk and end all discussions from that point. 50 bucks was more than fair. Hell, I would have paid 100 dollars. I lucked out that she only asked for 50 bucks equivalent. I quit going to Rio 10 years ago because the exchange rate made every girl 200 dollars or more, so I decided to try different places. If I can get a hot girl for up to 100 dollars, I'm happy. If the exchange rate goes to hell again, and we are at 200, I will stop going.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2667681]This has to be the biggest load of crap I've ever read. You probably work for an American pharma company. Medications in Mexico and Colombia are just as good as their US counterparts. They have government agencies that control the manufacturing processes of pharmaceuticals just like in the US. They are tested for safety and effectiveness before they ever hit the market. I've been using mexican and colombian sildenafil for years and it works just the same as the viagra sold in the US. Get off of ISG with your big pharma propaganda bro![/QUOTE]I would argue many medications are safer in Colombia than the USA. The Colombian medical system is superior to the USA in many ways!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667504]Because having a pussy and fucking someone requires no special skills. Half of the planet actually has one. All a hooker has to do is open her legs. Evidently a young, pretty chick with nothing else going for herself besides being able to open her legs really amazes some guys.[/QUOTE]Haha, that made me chuckle. Yep, a peanut seller will earn peanuts. I think guys that think a pretty girl deserves a sunstantial amount of money for having sex, must have lived lives in places where women use the act of sex to control them. Bcos last time I looked, sex is actually free if you can find a girl. So paying a small but adequte sum of money for a service that is natiural and easily obtainable, seems very reasonable to me.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2667681]This has to be the biggest load of crap I've ever read.![/QUOTE]Agreed. It is a laughable position. In any case what is a Mexican product, what is a USA product? We live in a global market place these days. Companies need to meet international standards, not local ones. Could you imagine that USA pharma companies (whatever that means) manufature their products in the USA? Not a chance! They have them made in backwaters far poorer and less developed than Mexican.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2667516]No offense and do correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you use to flex on this board like you only went for 9's and 10's and those 9/10's don't go for 200 k-250 k. The second part might still be true, but people have told you then and you also know now that the higher the price the worse the service. The fact is the looks don't really make up for it. No one's going to argue that 500 k for a session with a 9 is cheap in USD terms, but unless you're a virgin who ejaculates in 1 minute, the experience is going to suck because that's how long she's going to give you to come.[/QUOTE]Maybe it's just my experience, but none of that is true, at least not 100% of the time. One of the first hookers I ever picked up, off the street in San Diego, back in 1989, was at best average looking and asking the same price as all the rest and she was complaining I was taking too long before I got my pants off. I had similar experiences in Tijuana and in the DR. Even had a few like that in Medellin.

Last year a girl who works internationally as a model and charges more than the standard Facebook rates, kept going and going like the Energizer Bunny. I'd put her on my top 10 list for looks, body, service, enthusiasm and GFE, and she was one of the top 10 as far as her price (although less than 500 k).

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2667669]What is your medical or pharmaceutical background? Jajaja I have a pharmacist license.[/QUOTE]I walk into any pharmacia in Colomibia (or sometimes the Olimpica supermarcado) and buy the Cialis in the box and the box has the holographic Lilly seal. I was told that the holograph seal is a little more expensive to try and counterfit so it gives me some piece of mind. Regardless I have bought it in Colombia dozens of times and it works great.

[QUOTE=RedMan0505;2667573]Thank You.

In broad strokes, the standard theory is pretty straightforward. When a lot of people can do the same job (working girls come a dime a dozen) , the wage for that job is pushed down (because more people can supply their labor). When it takes special skills or education to do a job, wages are pushed up, because fewer people can supply their labor. On the demand side, employers are willing to pay more for an employee that can make them more money.[/QUOTE]Take a look around and tell me how well your standard theory is working. There are all kinds of people who can flip burgers. It doesn't take a lot of skills to run a modern point of sale system. Yet at more than double minimum wage they can't find workers.

All I can say is that you're lucky there are women who will fuck for money, because that belief means you're probably not getting laid twice by the same girl, unless she's getting paid or you're married to her.

I used to hire "unskilled" labor 4 or 5 times a week. Over a 7 year stretch I probably hired nearly 1,000 different people, usually for 1 day. There's a huge difference between the person who is just there to get the minimum pay and the person who wants you to call him next time. There's a huge difference between the ones who need constant supervision and the ones you can just turn loose and let them do their thing. Not to mention the difference between those who will steal anything they can and the ones who are trustworthy and dependable.

Then there are the ones who did nothing but complain, the ones who threatened my customers and the ones who threatened to rob me.

While it is possible to sell pussy with no skills, hell there are trannies out there selling pussy without having a pussy to sell, there are a lot of skills nobody ever considers.

1. The skill of looking at an old, fat, ugly customer and telling him how handsome he is.

2. The skill of looking at a sad little penis that looks like it belongs on a Chihuahua and convincing the guy it's the biggest she's ever seen.

3. The skill of not gagging over bad breath or nasty body odor.

4. The skill of convincing the customer that she's having the time of her life.

I've met quite a few mongers and not many are in the running for sexiest man alive. Yet most of the girls treat us like royalty.

Try that some time. Go out to a dive bar. Find a 60 year old woman with a body that rates a -46 on the 1-10 scale. Pick one whose face looks like she took a face plant into the deep fat fryer. While you're at it, look for the greasy hair that hasn't been washed in 6 months, which goes well with the green teeth (all 7 of them). Go right ahead and convince her that she's beautiful, then take her home (to her place. If she gets in your place you might need a crane to get her out), and go to town on her. Eat that pussy and don't mind the stink. Stick your tongue down her throat. Fuck her, roll her over and fuck her again.

Of course not all mongers are that bad, but some are. I've seen them. I've smelled them.

That's just to illustrate, what you consider "unskilled" isn't unskilled. That's without all the other skills most of us have experienced.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2667597]True, that's why programmers make a lot to start and McDonald's workers make minimum. The difference in mongering is some girls are hotter than others and take better care of themselves. Working girls could be a dime a dozen but attractive ones aren't a dime a dozen. I didn't see one attractive hooker at gustos when I was there. I didn't see one at fase dos or San Diego club. La Isla had maybe 2 that were attractive.[/QUOTE]I'm going to correct that for you.

There's a huge difference between pay for programmers depending on skills. Unfortunately, it's not always consistent. From my programming days I remember remarking "what idiot wrote this" on several occasions, only to find out the idiot was one of the big bosses.

The pay difference doesn't always make sense for prostitutes either. There are some who lack the looks and lack the skills, but want the higher price. There are also some, although harder to find, who have looks and skills, but are working for much less.

The trick, which most of us already know, is to find the girls you want, who provide the service you want, at the price you are willing to pay.

If all you can afford are the cheapest girls, sometimes you might get lucky and find a good one. If you think that paying the highest prices will get you the best ones, sometimes you'll be right.

What I try to do is find the girls with the look I want, then try to determine if they have the right attitude. Then it's just a matter of finding a mutually acceptable price.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2667597]Working girls could be a dime a dozen but attractive ones aren't a dime a dozen. I didn't see one attractive hooker at gustos when I was there. I didn't see one at fase dos or San Diego club. La Isla had maybe 2 that were attractive.[/QUOTE]So how do they get away with charging so much at those places if there are no attractive ones?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2667551]Like anything else, sex is a combination of skills. Would you rather save a few dollars and limit yourself to women who have no skills, or spend your time with women who earn every peso?[/QUOTE]The part you seemed to skip is that you do not know the combination of skills the provider has until you have first agreed on a price.

You could have agreed to pay $500 just to find out the woman has no skills. You could have also agreed to pay $10 and later find out she performed as if she was earning $500.

You test drive cars so you know the performance before you make the purchase. You rarely get to test drive a hooker before purchase.

How much you agree to pay beforehand has zero to say about the quality of the sex, because you have no idea what it will be. You are gambling.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2667516]No offense and do correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you use to flex on this board like you only went for 9's and 10's and those 9/10's don't go for 200 k-250 k. The second part might still be true, but people have told you then and you also know now that the higher the price the worse the service. The fact is the looks don't really make up for it. No one's going to argue that 500 k for a session with a 9 is cheap in USD terms, but unless you're a virgin who ejaculates in 1 minute, the experience is going to suck because that's how long she's going to give you to come.[/QUOTE]100% correct. But FB girls are not 9's and 10's.

When I do encounter an 8 and above and it's a must have I will not argue on price unless it's just ridiculous.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667762]So how do they get away with charging so much at those places if there are no attractive ones?[/QUOTE]Weekend warriors don't really care about the price, which is fixed at La Isla and is less than 100 USD, not sure about San Diego or Fase Dos. When you have zero sex in the States, any average looking girl or girl next door becomes very attractive. Beer goggles help a lot too.

Last week I went to La Isla with another ISG member, it was our last night in Medellin before we headed back. All my FB and SA dates flaked that night, so I had no other options. Talent at the club was average, but I did session though, just because I wanted to bust a nut. Average looking girl, average all covered session, at 320 k cop. I've been to La Isla before, I knew what to expect, so no surprises here, just wanted to pop my last load before heading back home.

BTW, girls at La Isla (and Gusto) are all dolled up to the nines and look sexy in those tiny dresses, but once the clothes come off and the lights are on, you realize that they are just average looking older chicks.

Like many girls I added, more than half of them, are just selling pictures and videos, damn, wth.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2667748]hell there are trannies out there selling pussy without having a pussy to sell,.[/QUOTE]Truth is stranger than fiction. Your words are true and also hilarious!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667769]The part you seemed to skip is that you do not know the combination of skills the provider has until you have first agreed on a price.

You could have agreed to pay $500 just to find out the woman has no skills. You could have also agreed to pay $10 and later find out she performed as if she was earning $500.

You test drive cars so you know the performance before you make the purchase. You rarely get to test drive a hooker before purchase.

How much you agree to pay beforehand has zero to say about the quality of the sex, because you have no idea what it will be. You are gambling.[/QUOTE]You also have no idea beforehand if she's on her period or has an infection and her pussy smells.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2667741]I walk into any pharmacia in Colomibia (or sometimes the Olimpica supermarcado) and buy the Cialis in the box and the box has the holographic Lilly seal. I was told that the holograph seal is a little more expensive to try and counterfit so it gives me some piece of mind. Regardless I have bought it in Colombia dozens of times and it works great.[/QUOTE]I have bought fake Cialis from a farmacia in Tijuana it was in a box with the logo on the tinfoil blister pak, everything was printed with Cialis like the real thing, also with the hologram sticker seal.

Those pills are around 90 usd in USA.

I paid 5 usd each, you can't buy legit brand name Cialis 20 MG for 5 usd in Tijuana they were knockoffs and did nothing for me, but steal my money.

Hopefully no toxic ingredients.

Anyone have an experience where the girl was 100% not down for whatever it was you wanted to do even when faced with considerable generosity? What wouldn't she do?

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2667770]100% correct. But FB girls are not 9's and 10's.

When I do encounter an 8 and above and it's a must have I will not argue on price unless it's just ridiculous.[/QUOTE]Really, so all Colombian women on FB are 8's or less? That seems unlikely, even 9/10's can have FB profiles.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2667748]Take a look around and tell me how well your standard theory is working. There are all kinds of people who can flip burgers. It doesn't take a lot of skills to run a modern point of sale system. Yet at more than double minimum wage they can't find workers.

All I can say is that you're lucky there are women who will fuck for money, because that belief means you're probably not getting laid twice by the same girl, unless she's getting paid or you're married to her.

I used to hire "unskilled" labor 4 or 5 times a week. Over a 7 year stretch I probably hired nearly 1,000 different people, usually for 1 day. There's a huge difference between the person who is just there to get the minimum pay and the person who wants you to call him next time. There's a huge difference between the ones who need constant supervision and the ones you can just turn loose and let them do their thing. Not to mention the difference between those who will steal anything they can and the ones who are trustworthy and dependable.

Then there are the ones who did nothing but complain, the ones who threatened my customers and the ones who threatened to rob me..[/QUOTE]I think Mr E has pussy fatigue syndrome and he will offer all women the same Big Mac price no matter differences in looks and if one is a superstar in bed he might pay more the second go around. Some of the guys on this board said they have been with 800 to 1000 women. All girls start looking like a Big Mac after that many women.

You nailed it.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2667795]Weekend warriors don't really care about the price, which is fixed at La Isla and is less than 100 USD, not sure about San Diego or Fase Dos. When you have zero sex in the States, any average looking girl or girl next door becomes very attractive. Beer goggles help a lot too.

Last week I went to La Isla with another ISG member, it was our last night in Medellin before we headed back. All my FB and SA dates flaked that night, so I had no other options. Talent at the club was average, but I did session though, just because I wanted to bust a nut. Average looking girl, average all covered session, at 320 k cop. I've been to La Isla before, I knew what to expect, so no surprises here, just wanted to pop my last load before heading back home.

BTW, girls at La Isla (and Gusto) are all dolled up to the nines and look sexy in those tiny dresses, but once the clothes come off and the lights are on, you realize that they are just average looking older chicks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2667824]I have bought fake Cialis from a farmacia in Tijuana it was in a box with the logo on the tinfoil blister pak, everything was printed with Cialis like the real thing, also with the hologram sticker seal.

Those pills are around 90 usd in USA.

I paid 5 usd each, you can't buy legit brand name Cialis 20 MG for 5 usd in Tijuana they were knockoffs and did nothing for me, but steal my money.

Hopefully no toxic ingredients.[/QUOTE]I got burned once in Tijuana with fake Cialis. Never again.

Figrals at Piri Farmacia, a box of 50 MG 10 tablets / 400 pesos. Works like a charm every time. Haven't looked back in 3 years.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667769]You test drive cars so you know the performance before you make the purchase. You rarely get to test drive a hooker before purchase.
How much you agree to pay beforehand has zero to say about the quality of the sex, because you have no idea what it will be. You are gambling.[/QUOTE]This is one advantage of strip clubs. On my last trip, I found my main girl at La Isla. Had the chance to see her naked, check for any odor problems, get a feel for her personality, and paid for a blow job just as a final test of the merch. That was just appetizer. When I realized she was legit, I asked her to come back to my place the next day. If you just want to get your rocks off. The strip club rooms are decent. Since I don't fuck hot 18 year old Latinas every day, when I do get the opportunity I want to take my time and enjoy the experience. Of course, it's a bigger investment overall, but the goal is having fun not trying to stress over a few pennies.

[QUOTE=JonnyPokerStar;2667830]Anyone have an experience where the girl was 100% not down for whatever it was you wanted to do even when faced with considerable generosity? What wouldn't she do?[/QUOTE]I can answer that with a question. Would you suck a dick for $500?

If the girl isn't interested in what I want, I either move on, or I decide to save my money and accept what she's offering for the original price.

If it's something she really doesn't want to do, you end up paying a lot of money for something that won't be anywhere near what you expect. If she's just trying to get you to pay extra for something you can easily get for no extra charge, why reward her?

[QUOTE=Kafka;2668050]Thats funny. But true.[/QUOTE]And the permanent psychological and emotional scars don't have a price tag either.

I am very thankful to the BMs who share a wealth of knowledge on traveling in and around Medellin. Over the past year I made trips once in three months for usually week to 10 days (see my trip reports). I have my routine. Eating and fucking every day for 10 days. Rinse and repeat every three months. I am beginning to get bored. The city and the chicas do not exicte as much as they*did in the beginning. I use a blend of SA, FB, casas, centro and have developed a stable of regular repeat chicas.

Chicas that I keep seeing are slowly including me in their dramas. My mom is sick, I need tv shit.

I am fairly familiar with casas and centro chicas too. When*you know this many centro pros, you already know you have spent too much time here. Hehe.

My next trip is in 3 weeks, I am contemplating changing the scene.

I do not have a ton of time to prepare, usually start conversing on SA and tinder about a week before the trip. Loved the convenience*of casas and strip clubs since fb and SA flake rates are super high in Medellin. My biggest reason in not exploring a new city in the past year is the nature of my vacation. I work remotely for a few days and take a few days off during the 10 days and stay near :aureles, ciduad del Rio, envigado etc. I need good internet and lot of mongering options in between work days.

Thinking about these 4 options. Bogota, Cali, Barranquilla and Lima, Peru (I love Peruvian food) check out the Lima thread for a latest detailed trip report by Rickdraven.

Which city among the 4 will be good for -.

Speedy internet, relatively quiet and safe neighborhoods with not too much traffic.

Rudimentary Spanish will be tolerated.

A good number of mongering options. Casas, street scene, online etc.

Do not need 9 or 10 rated chicas. Happy with 6 to 8 ones and lower flake rates.

What do you guys think?

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667769]The part you seemed to skip is that you do not know the combination of skills the provider has until you have first agreed on a price.[/QUOTE]I believe that to only be partially true if you are getting good tonsil hockey and free roaming hands during the negotiation process. And you can get pretty specific about what skills you are looking for, and evaluate the response. You make a decent point, but in the proper venue with a direct approach, you can make some headway to evaluating a skill set before setting a price.

Or you can set a low price, have some varied results, but find some gems to repeat with at low prices.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2667795]Weekend warriors don't really care about the price, which is fixed at La Isla and is less than 100 USD, not sure about San Diego or Fase Dos. When you have zero sex in the States, any average looking girl or girl next door becomes very attractive. Beer goggles help a lot too.

Last week I went to La Isla with another ISG member, it was our last night in Medellin before we headed back. All my FB and SA dates flaked that night, so I had no other options. Talent at the club was average, but I did session though, just because I wanted to bust a nut. Average looking girl, average all covered session, at 320 k cop. I've been to La Isla before, I knew what to expect, so no surprises here, just wanted to pop my last load before heading back home.

BTW, girls at La Isla (and Gusto) are all dolled up to the nines and look sexy in those tiny dresses, but once the clothes come off and the lights are on, you realize that they are just average looking older chicks.[/QUOTE]320 k Cop is too much for cover. Go to blue door or those others spots and pay 50 - 60 k cop for covered. Makes more sense. For 320 k Cop nothing should be covered. I'm serious and trust me I know.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2668128]Just a quick note to point out that a number of you have been commenting on a post by BM Shemp which was actually drafted by JjBee62, but which Shemp (I assume unintentionally) included in his post without putting it in the usual QUOTE box. Speaking as a certified geezer myself, I found JjBee62 observations to be both amusing and tellingly on target. As a a parenthetical addendum, let me add that not only am I amazed at the ability / willingness of many if not most of the wg chicas here to weave the GFE illusion, but, even more incredibly, am astounded by those girls, who, when between the sheets with a guy 50-60 years their senior (old enough to be their great-grandfather), can actually get the juices flowing in copious quantities and reach the climatic Big-O.[/QUOTE]It happens. Sometimes people get in a hurry and mess up the quote.

Regarding your last point, give yourself some credit. Women tend to be less focused on visual stimulation than men. Quite a few guys already know this, as I'm sure you do. If you engage their other senses, take your time and provide the right atmosphere, they're more likely to not need to put on an act.

We've got a big advantage with these girls. Our competition is much younger and in better shape, but they're only focused on their own pleasure.

[QUOTE=Snook;2667031]I am a long-time veteran of mongering in Cuba during its heyday, Costa Rica during its heyday, and Nuevo Laredo as well. Medellin is the new playground. Each trip I have something of a focus. After RTFF, this trip I decided to concentrate on candy and coffee girls in Centro. I am mostly a day / evening guy anyway, so this worked out perfect. I did do the Lleres however. I had seen the candy and coffee girls many times, but never thought to approach them until my brothers here enlightened me. They were not wrong. I had excellent experiences with some very cute ladies, who all wanted 30. I upgraded for my sick fetishes. Up to 50 and a couple of times to 100 (max $25), and they jumped on it like a dog on a bone. Pun intended. Clearly one has to do more due diligence, but they are out there and they are plentiful. Generally speaking, odds are better for a great time, GFE, with a coffee or candy girl than they standard Centro worker at the same spot every day. Thanks for the heads up.

As a side note, I had a hotel a block from Lleres, but also got an inexpensive condo 2 blocks away to play in. Nice to have both. Hotel was the safe house. The receptionist noticed I did not bring ladies back and I told her that I was only interested in her. Not the hookers at the park. She had my phone number off my registration and called me. Spent two nights with her at the condo after she got off work. Of course gave her a propina as well. She did not ask, but strongly hinted. LMAO..[/QUOTE]I plan on going the same route with one location as a safe house and another to play but where do you take the candy girls? All the way back to lleres?

A girl of my dreams literally walked through my open hotel door unannounced and uninvited and asked me to have sex with her, and then returned that same night for more of the same.

Fantasy you say? My hotel door was ajar waiting for my new best friend and fellow monger who is staying in the same hotel to arrive.

Instead, a chica I have known for a couple years, Secret, a hardcore but high class Bello (rough area of Medellin) puta and drug dealer came sauntering through my open door with a new friend close behind. She announced, "I brought my friend here for you to suck her ass."

That was our introduction. Nineteen years old, hawt as fuck, pretty face, especially if a 70's hippie girl type would turn you on.

This is not the first time my ass-eating skills have snagged me some fine Colombiana poontang without lifting a finger, but she is the hawtest one so far, (remember "The Hulk" jajajaja, scoffers) and so far we are fast becoming Fuck-Buddies.

After she saw the fotos, she grabbed my phone to enter her name in my Whassap so I could send them to her. Obviously, I will not reveal her real name, but the name she entered in my phone was the exact same name as my home town in the United States, with only the final letter being different. Mind blown, a regular occurrence for me here in Medellin.

Ostee Out, and let's all Keep On Keepin' On.

[QUOTE=Combo;2667821]You also have no idea beforehand if she's on her period or has an infection and her pussy smells.[/QUOTE]Almost sounds like a "trifecta" if a Chica has all three at the same time.

You notice blood, or an odd color discharge on your Willy, and it smells, now this is a true boner killer!

And the thought of encountering this while eating a Chica out, now that is gross. LOL.

I've only dipped my toe into things in Lima using Photokinesteticas and the local boards but I can tell you already 90% of the girls you'll probably want to see will be Venecas or Colombianas. Also the going rates are a bit higher given the stronger Sol. The food and culture is amazing. I stayed near the Larco museum in a middle class neighborhood (can't remember the name) as well as in Lince and felt safe even walking at night. I can't tell you for sure but I'd guess internet is comparable. So if sex is your #1 concern I'd stay in Colombia (why leave if you end up fucking vennies and colombianas anyway). But Limas definitely got better food than Medellin and loads of cool things to do.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2668193]I am very thankful to the BMs who share a wealth of knowledge on traveling in and around Medellin. Over the past year I made trips once in three months for usually week to 10 days (see my trip reports). I have my routine. Eating and fucking every day for 10 days. Rinse and repeat every three months. I am beginning to get bored. The city and the chicas do not exicte as much as they*did in the beginning. I use a blend of SA, FB, casas, centro and have developed a stable of regular repeat chicas.

Chicas that I keep seeing are slowly including me in their dramas. My mom is sick, I need tv shit.

I am fairly familiar with casas and centro chicas too. When*you know this many centro pros, you already know you have spent too much time here. Hehe.

My next trip is in 3 weeks, I am contemplating changing the scene.

I do not have a ton of time to prepare, usually start conversing on SA and tinder about a week before the trip. Loved the convenience*of casas and strip clubs since fb and SA flake rates are super high in Medellin. My biggest reason in not exploring a new city in the past year is the nature of my vacation. I work remotely for a few days and take a few days off during the 10 days and stay near :aureles, ciduad del Rio, envigado etc. I need good internet and lot of mongering options in between work days.

Thinking about these 4 options. Bogota, Cali, Barranquilla and Lima, Peru (I love Peruvian food) check out the Lima thread for a latest detailed trip report by Rickdraven.

Which city among the 4 will be good for -.

Speedy internet, relatively quiet and safe neighborhoods with not too much traffic.

Rudimentary Spanish will be tolerated.

A good number of mongering options. Casas, street scene, online etc.

Do not need 9 or 10 rated chicas. Happy with 6 to 8 ones and lower flake rates.

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]

Meant to include this photo in previous post.

[QUOTE=PdSuave;2668077]I got burned once in Tijuana with fake Cialis. Never again.

Figrals at Piri Farmacia, a box of 50 MG 10 tablets / 400 pesos. Works like a charm every time. Haven't looked back in 3 years.[/QUOTE]Is the old guy that owned it still alive? They are nice people, I haven't been in there in several yrs, but they never carried brand name stuff like Cialis.

So I bought these right under the arch by the policia shack with the white stairs across from the dentista oficina, don't trust that dood he is a lying ass conman.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2667837]Really, so all Colombian women on FB are 8's or less? That seems unlikely, even 9/10's can have FB profiles.[/QUOTE]I believe he's talking about Facebook girls who are in the P4P game and he's going for more of an average than a definitive rating.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2666108]One day in Medellin and I was ready to leave.[/QUOTE]Then why do you post so much in the Medellin Forum?

I've been back in Medellin for 3 days now and have been having am amazing time with both some girls I met in January and a new girl last night. Inviting girls to my apartment and cooking for them is one of my go to moves. The girls I see are all Facebook girls who I offer to pay "gastos" for instead of upfront pricing as well as one nonpro. Then I treat it like a date. My problem is that I've now cooked pasta carbonara 3 days straight and am getting bored of the same thing. I guess I just can't bring myself to throw out the excess ingredients. Where are the single serve meal kits when you need them?

All joking aside cooking is something I like to do and it's worked great for me with the chicas. I even brought some good Romano cheese and dried chilis with me for salsas from the states. In the end there are lots of ways to play the game, get the girls to be comfortable with you and maximize the sex.

So it turns out that my only upcoming opportunity to visit Medellin will be in May. After doing a tiny bit of research it looks like May is one of the cloudiest and rainiest months in Medellin. Is Medelline still a lively city with plenty to do during this time of year? The last time I was in Medellin was in February (of a previous year) and there were brief but heavy rain storms every day. I don't mind the rain, as long as it's doesn't rain for extended periods of time and cause people to stay home.

Would it be beneficial to go during a time of year when there are fewer tourists, or are there just fewer opportunities overall for mongering due to social climate?

I've only been to Bogota, Cartagena and Medellin, and I found Medellin to have the most beautiful women, and the friendliest people. Do the working girls and wealthy people of Colombia migrate around the country during different seasons?

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2668193]Thinking about these 4 options. Bogota, Cali, Barranquilla and Lima, Peru (I love Peruvian food) check out the Lima thread for a latest detailed trip report by Rickdraven.

Which city among the 4 will be good for -.

Speedy internet, relatively quiet and safe neighborhoods with not too much traffic.

Rudimentary Spanish will be tolerated.

A good number of mongering options. Casas, street scene, online etc.

Do not need 9 or 10 rated chicas. Happy with 6 to 8 ones and lower flake rates.

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]I think Bogota has best internet of those cities. I found Lima to be more spotty. Barranquilla (BAQ) worked fine. Cali was okay but probably #3.

I used google translate and do not think language is much of an issue if you can get good with that in all those places.

With mongering, Lima has been cracking down. The women there are sweet but by far the least attractive of the four cities you mentioned. Bogota is #1 with women with BAQ #2 but there is not the variety or quantity of Bogota. Lima is also double the cost of the Colombian cities.

So Bogota is your best option on what you listed, but the issues with Bogota were not mentioned: altitude, climate, pollution, traffic. I would give yourself a few days there before committing. If you can take the negatives, that is where I would stay.

Thing about Lima I should point out is the food there is incredible, there is no altitude adjustment, and the weather reminds me of Northern California in the summer: foggy, cool, but pretty much the same every day. I do not go for that, but I know others love that kind of climate.

Lima and Mexico City seem to have an energy that Bogota does not. I would also throw out Mexico City as somewhere you should consider as well. Internet is the best there, and it is much cheaper and safer than you think.

Make sure to read the blog My Latin Life. The author has a great breakdown of cities. Good luck.

I've been to New Life (blue door) and I've been to La Isla. There's no comparison. I'm not saying one is better. It's like comparing steak to chewing gum. If you want gum it makes no sense to buy a steak dinner, and if you tell someone you're taking them out for a steak dinner, they're probably not going to consider a stick of gum as an acceptable substitute.

If you go to New Life at 11 pm, it's not open. If you go to La Isla at 11 am it's not open. Both places have a cover charge, but only one has a show (at New Life, you can either take a girl, buy a drink or pay a viewing fee). You can't sit with a girl at New Life for 2 hours to decide whether you want her services, unless you pay for 2 hours of her services without using those services.

At New Life, on a good day there might be 20 girls. On a good night there are about 100 at La Isla. It's a completely different atmosphere at each place. You go to a casa to pick a girl and get a quick fuck. While you can do that at La Isla, you're not going to be pleased with the experience.

Covered or uncovered has nothing to do with it. If you want uncovered, find a girl who will do it. You can get BBFS for less than you can get CFS at a casa. There's certainly no need to pay 300 k or more for it. However, if 300 k is the price you're comfortable with get the type of sex you want.

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore;2668240]I plan on going the same route with one location as a safe house and another to play but where do you take the candy girls? All the way back to lleres?[/QUOTE]No. I doubt if you'll find any who will go. You take them to a short time room near where you found them. They know the way.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2668492]All joking aside cooking is something I like to do and it's worked great for me with the chicas. I even brought some good Romano cheese and dried chilis with me for salsas from the states. In the end there are lots of ways to play the game, get the girls to be comfortable with you and maximize the sex.[/QUOTE]Just one small tip. The majority of Colombians I have met here are not into spicy food at all. If you make a salsa with your dried chilis you may find that some find it way too hot even though you might consider it mild.

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore;2668240]I plan on going the same route with one location as a safe house and another to play but where do you take the candy girls? All the way back to lleres?[/QUOTE]Yes, the best place to take a Centro candy girl is the Charlee Hotel in Parque Lleras.

Hello fellow mongers,

Just saw a video from Colombiafrank on YouTube, he said there will be protests because of the upcoming elections in Colombia. Do you think it is still safe to monger?

Will be in el Problado from 11th till 19th.

Howdy, I'm visiting Medellin in a few weeks for the first time and had a few oddball questions. I'm trying to focus on using SA and aim for some higher quality chicas.

- Do any of you worry about putting your income / net worth and the risk of kidnapping or extortion? Should I dial those numbers down or am I overthinking it.

- Anyone try flying in a girl from a neighboring city? Flights seem pretty cheap at maybe $50 round trip. Thinking of seeing if we vibe on video and then fly the girl in.

- Do any of you use cheap burner phones to reduce the impact of getting mugged? Again, might be overthinking it. Please excuse my silly questions.

This board is a great resource.

Thanks, Ted.

Went up to Manrique last week for the first time since about 1 yer before the pandemic started. My god, KI hardly recognise the place! So many changes. Seems like property in Manrique is a good investment right now. Lots of big new buildings going jup, loads new restaurants and clubs, many of the smaller ones closed down.

I went to Zenith. Loads of cute and available girls there. It does make me laugh though, watching the locals. They are like clones of each other, all dressing and styling the same way, dancing the same way, same mannerisms. Still, I had a lot of fun. Prices have gone up, but still a fraction of the price of a similar night in Poblado.

After the snow storm Friday I am very shortly getting on the plane and will be in Medellin soon.

Can't wait to engage in advanced levels of debauchery.

I trust the orgy pit has been scraped and butter.

Is there anywhere in town I can go to get my undercarriage shorn bare by an attractive lady?

If I don't get to fucked up I will try and report back to you gentlemen.

Who the fuck is Colombiafrank? I'm sorry, it's not polite to answer a question with a question. The election isn't happening for another two months. There are normally demonstrations during the preceding weeks. I doubt you will notice them in Poblado.

[QUOTE=Blurb123;2668539]Hello fellow mongers,

Just saw a video from Colombiafrank on YouTube, he said there will be protests because of the upcoming elections in Colombia. Do you think it is still safe to monger?

Will be in el Problado from 11th till 19th.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2668516]I've been to New Life (blue door) and I've been to La Isla. There's no comparison. I'm not saying one is better. It's like comparing steak to chewing gum. If you want gum it makes no sense to buy a steak dinner, and if you tell someone you're taking them out for a steak dinner, they're probably not going to consider a stick of gum as an acceptable substitute.

If you go to New Life at 11 pm, it's not open. If you go to La Isla at 11 am it's not open. Both places have a cover charge, but only one has a show (at New Life, you can either take a girl, buy a drink or pay a viewing fee). You can't sit with a girl at New Life for 2 hours to decide whether you want her services, unless you pay for 2 hours of her services without using those services.

At New Life, on a good day there might be 20 girls. On a good night there are about 100 at La Isla. It's a completely different atmosphere at each place. You go to a casa to pick a girl and get a quick fuck. While you can do that at La Isla, you're not going to be pleased with the experience.

Covered or uncovered has nothing to do with it. If you want uncovered, find a girl who will do it. You can get BBFS for less than you can get CFS at a casa. There's certainly no need to pay 300 k or more for it. However, if 300 k is the price you're comfortable with get the type of sex you want.[/QUOTE]Uncovered for less than 50 -60 k cop. I think you need to check your reality.

That's what I found about the protests:

[URL]https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/419538-comite-nacional-paro-colombia-convocar-protestas-duque[/URL]

Among the next marches are the mobilization against the cost of living, scheduled for March 3; another for International Women's Day, which is celebrated on March 8; the National Mobilization of April 28, which commemorates a year of the social outbreak; and the International Day of the Working Class, scheduled for May 1. The call comes just 32 days before the parliamentary elections and just over three months before the general elections on May 29.

[QUOTE=Blurb123;2668539]Hello fellow mongers,

Just saw a video from Colombiafrank on YouTube, he said there will be protests because of the upcoming elections in Colombia. Do you think it is still safe to monger?

Will be in el Problado from 11th till 19th.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2668549]Howdy, I'm visiting Medellin in a few weeks for the first time and had a few oddball questions. I'm trying to focus on using SA and aim for some higher quality chicas.

- Do any of you worry about putting your income / net worth and the risk of kidnapping or extortion? Should I dial those numbers down or am I overthinking it.

- Anyone try flying in a girl from a neighboring city? Flights seem pretty cheap at maybe $50 round trip. Thinking of seeing if we vibe on video and then fly the girl in.

- Do any of you use cheap burner phones to reduce the impact of getting mugged? Again, might be overthinking it. Please excuse my silly questions..[/QUOTE]I think you putting too much effort into something that is so simple LOL May I ask how old you are?

[QUOTE=Blurb123;2668539]Hello fellow mongers,

Just saw a video from Colombiafrank on YouTube, he said there will be protests because of the upcoming elections in Colombia. Do you think it is still safe to monger?

Will be in el Problado from 11th till 19th.[/QUOTE]Yes, it should be safe to monger unless you're decked out in campaign gear from a candidate.

However, on voting weekend all alcohol sales are prohibited from Friday evening (6 pm?) until Monday morning. Bars and clubs will be closed. On election day, which is on a Sunday the Metro is free, which usually means bigger crowds.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2668507]I think Bogota has best internet of those cities. I found Lima to be more spotty. Barranquilla (BAQ) worked fine. Cali was okay but probably #3.

I used google translate and do not think language is much of an issue if you can get good with that in all those places.

With mongering, Lima has been cracking down. The women there are sweet but by far the least attractive of the four cities you mentioned. Bogota is #1 with women with BAQ #2 but there is not the variety or quantity of Bogota. Lima is also double the cost of the Colombian cities.

So Bogota is your best option on what you listed, but the issues with Bogota were not mentioned: altitude, climate, pollution, traffic. I would give yourself a few days there before committing. If you can take the negatives, that is where I would stay.

Thing about Lima I should point out is the food there is incredible, there is no altitude adjustment, and the weather reminds me of Northern California in the summer: foggy, cool, but pretty much the same every day. I do not go for that, but I know others love that kind of climate.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the input. Food scene is a major attraction for Lima but a week trip will require significant prep and I think a semi work trip will not work.

Intrigued by Mexico City, looks like there is a good street scene but are there good casas in the city?

In the end, lets hit Bog this time, I think despite lousy weather and traffic, the wealth of info. On this board may turn this in to a quick hassle free trip.

Will report back with a trip report.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2668270]I've only dipped my toe into things in Lima using Photokinesteticas and the local boards but I can tell you already 90% of the girls you'll probably want to see will be Venecas or Colombianas. Also the going rates are a bit higher given the stronger Sol. The food and culture is amazing. I stayed near the Larco museum in a middle class neighborhood (can't remember the name) as well as in Lince and felt safe even walking at night. I can't tell you for sure but I'd guess internet is comparable. So if sex is your #1 concern I'd stay in Colombia (why leave if you end up fucking vennies and colombianas anyway). But Limas definitely got better food than Medellin and loads of cool things to do.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the input. I am planning to do Bogota this time and hit up Lima for a regular vacation trip later in the summer.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2668618]You are taking it too seriously.[/QUOTE]I figured as much after looking up the hotel. Looks like a nice place.

Gentlemen,

I will first give the necessary disclaimer that most of my reports on this forum are either trip reports, tips for mongers, or conversational pieces. You may note in my message history that I rarely, if ever, ask for advice. Most of the time I prefer to fly by wire and figure things out as I go after RTFF. That being said, I am in need of some advice from the esteemed members of this particular subforum. Due to a last minute change, I suddenly have some free time and will get a week to head to Colombia, as my original plan was to go to Brazil but that fell through due to some logistical inconveniences.

I have been to Medellin. I enjoyed Medellin, for the most part. My last time there, however, was not pleasant as I was staying at the M when it was raided because they were operating a bar without a license or some along those lines (aka they didn't pay their bribes). That essentially ruined the trip for me and I relocated to El Poblado where I spent the rest of my short time in the city. Most of the time I go to Bogota because I know the lay of the land and where to go, but today I had an itch to change my trip from Bogota to Medellin (still making up my mind depending on the results of this post). My understanding of RTFF is that SA and FB are the primary methods of mongering, with La Isla, New Life and Centro girls as secondary. The girls at the gringo bar in Park Lleras are a tertiary and expensive option.

My predicament and request. I have a week and I want to potentially experience Medellin but don't want to spend time figuring it out on ground. This past summer, I wrote a "Newbies Guide to Rio" which made it to the reports of distinction and I had a ton of fun just figuring things out as I went. I do not have the time on ground to do that and RTFF has only gotten me so far. I am requesting two things from the members of this forum.

1. If I were to spend 1 week in Medellin and wanted to have a carefree experience without having to prearrange things via FB or SA, where would you recommend I do this? I do not overpay as I am not interested in shifting market rates for my fellow man, rather I am interested in finding the highest concentration of "8's and 9's" in a few places. For those of who have been to Scandallo in Sao Paulo or Solarium in Rio, that is the environment I am looking for. I also like the environment of the clubs in SF in Bogota as quality can generally be found there as well. For this trip, convenience and quality are my top priorities.

2. If you, a fellow experienced Monger, were in my shoes, and only had a week to have a good time, would you go to Bogota or Medellin? Keep in mind that I am intimately familiar with Bogota but only have an elementary understanding of how things work in Medellin. Please only include mongering in your criteria. Weather and whatnot are not particularly important for me this trip.

As always, feel free to PM if you are interested in tips for Bogota, Sao Paulo, or Rio. I am very familiar with the lay of the land in those places and will happily share.

Tia.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2668549]Howdy, I'm visiting Medellin in a few weeks for the first time and had a few oddball questions. I'm trying to focus on using SA and aim for some higher quality chicas.

- Do any of you worry about putting your income / net worth and the risk of kidnapping or extortion? Should I dial those numbers down or am I overthinking it.

- Anyone try flying in a girl from a neighboring city? Flights seem pretty cheap at maybe $50 round trip. Thinking of seeing if we vibe on video and then fly the girl in.

- Do any of you use cheap burner phones to reduce the impact of getting mugged? Again, might be overthinking it. Please excuse my silly questions.

This board is a great resource.

Thanks, Ted.[/QUOTE]I've used SA the last couple winters in Medellin. I always report the lowest income and lowest assets catagories which I believe are $100 k because I don't think the real chicas selling ass are even looking at that so why report more and attract unwanted attention. Probably chicas looking for an actual arrangement are evaluating that info but I'm only looking for "pay per meeting".

A common scam is a chica telling you she lives a couple hours away and wants to come and meet you but has no money so please send some. I know guys that have donated money to chicas this way. If it's a $50 flight I'd offer to book her the ticket and meet her at the airport upon arrival. But don't send her any money not even for the taxi to her local airport. You will never see her.

Regarding phones I only use a cheap burner phone when I'm in Medellin. One that I don't care to lose or give up. You can buy a very decent phone locally for about $100 worth of pesos. SIM cards and data are dirt cheap. And it's nice to have a disposable whatsapp number rather than your home phone number imo.

[QUOTE=TheMan31;2668582]Uncovered for less than 50 -60 k cop. I think you need to check your reality.[/QUOTE]Or you could just read the forum. It's been reported several times, some within the past few weeks.

The last time I did BBFS in Medellin I paid 100 k for a Facebook girl, she was with me for 2 hours and it was in Christmas Eve (2017). I didn't even ask for BBFS. At the time the going rate for Facebook was 150 k + 20 k for taxi. She was quite a good performer. She was also the reason why I no longer do BBFS with hookers.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2668619]I left the LOL after my post. LOL.[/QUOTE]I should add that if you're taking a candy girl to the Charlee, you should at least spring for an Uber Black.

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2668641]Gentlemen,

I will first give the necessary disclaimer that most of my reports on this forum are either trip reports, tips for mongers, or conversational pieces. You may note in my message history that I rarely, if ever, ask for advice. Most of the time I prefer to fly by wire and figure things out as I go after RTFF. That being said, I am in need of some advice from the esteemed members of this particular subforum. Due to a last minute change, I suddenly have some free time and will get a week to head to Colombia, as my original plan was to go to Brazil but that fell through due to some logistical inconveniences.

I have been to Medellin. I enjoyed Medellin, for the most part. My last time there, however, was not pleasant as I was staying at the M when it was raided because they were operating a bar without a license or some along those lines (aka they didn't pay their bribes). That essentially ruined the trip for me and I relocated to El Poblado where I spent the rest of my short time in the city. Most of the time I go to Bogota because I know the lay of the land and where to go, but today I had an itch to change my trip from Bogota to Medellin (still making up my mind depending on the results of this post). My understanding of RTFF is that SA and FB are the primary methods of mongering, with La Isla, New Life and Centro girls as secondary. The girls at the gringo bar in Park Lleras are a tertiary and expensive option.

My predicament and request. I have a week and I want to potentially experience Medellin but don't want to spend time figuring it out on ground. This past summer, I wrote a "Newbies Guide to Rio" which made it to the reports of distinction and I had a ton of fun just figuring things out as I went. I do not have the time on ground to do that and RTFF has only gotten me so far. I am requesting two things from the members of this forum..[/QUOTE]1. That place doesn't exist in Medellin, or if it does it's the best kept secret in Colombia. Some people will tell you their favorite spot is best for you, but I've checked out almost all of them and they've all been hit or miss. Unfortunately, the best option (IMO) in Medellin is Facebook. Many people disagree. It requires some prior planning. On the plus side, once you've done the work you have an inexhaustible supply of women. That's no help now.

2. I'd go to where you already know how to find what you're looking for, Bogota. Why risk wasting time overcoming issues in Medellin when you only have a week? Save it for when you have more time and can establish a workable game plan.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2668603]Appreciate the input. Food scene is a major attraction for Lima but a week trip will require significant prep and I think a semi work trip will not work.

Intrigued by Mexico City, looks like there is a good street scene but are there good casas in the city?

In the end, lets hit Bog this time, I think despite lousy weather and traffic, the wealth of info. On this board may turn this in to a quick hassle free trip.

Will report back with a trip report.[/QUOTE]Unless it has changed, Twitter is a common source for women in Mexico City. Some of the guys on the Mexico City board can help you. I really enjoyed my very brief stopover there.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2668656]A common scam is a chica telling you she lives a couple hours away and wants to come and meet you but has no money so please send some. I know guys that have donated money to chicas this way.[/QUOTE]I don't know if it is a scam or mfs are just stupid. The first thing I say to a chick after Hello, is what part of whatever city she has in her profile that she lives in. Today alone I have talked to like 10 chicks on Cupid that do not live where their profile says. One chick's profile said she lives in Medellin. I ask what part. She says why. I say because a lot of people say they live somewhere but they do not. In the midst of this she changes her profile to say Bogota then says she lives in Medellin but Colombians are scared bla, bla, bla. Wherever you are going there will be too many women to worry about one that is in a city that you are not in.

This is strictly a newbie post with some tips to help with something you might not have thought about. Note, the Spanish phrases may not be exact, but they should be reasonably close.

1. Some of the US franchises you'll find are Subway, McDonald's, Burger King, Starbucks, KFC and Dominos. The food there is pretty close to what you're used to.

2. If you go to an upscale Colombian burger restaurant, your burger will probably be cooked rare, medio. Ask for "tres cuartos" if you want it medium. I never learned the local term for burn the fuck out of it.

3. Colombian food is not spicy. Many people consider it bland. You might not care for it. There are some good soups you might enjoy.

4. Sushi, Italian and Mexican food in Colombia are okay, but probably not as good as your favorite place back home.

5. You'll likely be unimpressed by steaks in Colombia.

6. Service in Colombia is not what you expect. Once they seat you and hand you a menu they won't return, ever, unless you flag them down. Every time you need something you need to flag them down. If you accidentally set yourself on fire, you'll need to flag them down. Just raise your hand and catch your server's attention. On rare occasions you might need to set yourself on fire to get their attention.

7. To ask for your check, flag down your server and ask for "La cuenta. " You will probably be asked "en efectivo o con su tarjeta?" Are you paying cash or with a card? You will also be asked "deseas incluir el servicio?" Do you want to include the standard 10% tip? Your check will probably have 2 different prices on it, with and without the tip. Paying it is voluntary. You do not need to tip any extra. Also, if you're paying with a card do not give them your card. They will bring a handheld card reader to you.

8. There are a lot of fruits you probably aren't familiar with, this includes fruit juices. You might like some of them. If you order juice, you might be asked "en leche o en agua?" Do you want it mixed with milk or water?

9. A common drink served with meals is guarapo. It's made with panelsa (sugar cane extract), lime juice and water. If you like sweet tea you'll probably like it.

10. The giant things that look like avocados are Lorena avocados. They have less flavor than the Haas avocadoes.

11. The Colombian chain restaurant you should try is Crepes and Waffles, except it uses the Spanish word for and, which the text editor changes to "why. " The name tells you what is on the menu.

12. The small white disk served with your meal is an arepa. Some people consider it edible. There are other varieties of arepas which are edible.

13. Many restaurants offer a menu of the day. It comes with your choice of meat, beef, pork or chicken and sometimes fish, rice, a small salad, avocado, fried plantain, and maybe potatoes and or yuca. Yuca is for people who like eating the small white disk found in 12. The meal might also include soup or beans and will come with a drink, probably a choice between guarapo and some type of juice. The total cost is usually between $2-$4 US. Tip included.

14. The local equivalent of "enough food to choke an elephant" is called "Bandeja Paisa. " Five orders of Bandeja Paisa would have solved Matt Damon's food problem in "The Martian. " Check with your cardiologist before ordering.

15. The tap water in Medellin is safe to drink. Aguardiente isn't.

Always have a WhatsApp with the sim of the country you're in. Then delete it at the end of your vacation and keep the girls you like in your contact list. I set up a date on mileroticos, which is a dumpster fire of a website, she then asked me to send her a deposit after we set a time. I told her no and I'm canceling our appointment. She starts begging me not to cancel. I then get a what's app message with a guy with a shotgun in the picture to try and scare me. I didn't read the message so I don't know what BS it said in there. I then deleted the what's app. Lesson learned. Never use your real number or even google voice because your Google voice is attached to your real number.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2668706]I don't know if it is a scam or mfs are just stupid. The first thing I say to a chick after Hello, is what part of whatever city she has in her profile that she lives in. Today alone I have talked to like 10 chicks on Cupid that do not live where their profile says. One chick's profile said she lives in Medellin. I ask what part. She says why. I say because a lot of people say they live somewhere but they do not. In the midst of this she changes her profile to say Bogota then says she lives in Medellin but Colombians are scared bla, bla, bla. Wherever you are going there will be too many women to worry about one that is in a city that you are not in.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, for a first time visitor, going to another city to see a particular chica, or flying in a chica from another city is a huge mistake. It's the mistake I made on my first mongering trip to the DR. Instead of going to Boca Chica or Sosua, I went to San Pedro de Macoris, because there were 2 girls there I thought were worth it. The first one was a disaster and the next morning I cancelled everything and got my ass on the first bus to Santo Domingo and then on the next bus to Sosua. I was able to salvage the trip from there.

If you're a seasoned international traveler, you already know what works for you and how to make the most of any city. If it's your first time then keep it simple.

Guys need to keep it simple. It doesn't matter where the girl is. She needs to get to the guy. If she can't then a polite "we'll do it another time" is in order. Like Ariana Grande said "thank you, next."

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2668706]I don't know if it is a scam or mfs are just stupid. The first thing I say to a chick after Hello, is what part of whatever city she has in her profile that she lives in. Today alone I have talked to like 10 chicks on Cupid that do not live where their profile says. One chick's profile said she lives in Medellin. I ask what part. She says why. I say because a lot of people say they live somewhere but they do not. In the midst of this she changes her profile to say Bogota then says she lives in Medellin but Colombians are scared bla, bla, bla. Wherever you are going there will be too many women to worry about one that is in a city that you are not in.[/QUOTE]

I've noticed that a couple of the FB girls I've met post memes about their sexual likes and dislikes. I'd consider myself low volume in terms of the girls I see with an emphasis on maximizing quality. I always try to do a deep dive in profiles of girls I pull the trigger on to get a sense of them. One of the girls I saw last time A the camgirl posted a meme about how she liked to be teased with foreplay (slow buildup to DATY, kissing collarbone and around breasts before nipple etc). So I tried it to good effect and got lots of compliments afterwards. The girl E I saw on Saturday posted about not liking beards for DATY. Well, while I do my homework, I was not about to shave off my beard. She asked me to go down on her and lo and behold she was pulling away and laughing after a while. I might try a washcloth around the beard when I see E today. So it's worth doing your homework. I've also seen posts about hating anal, liking girls and all kinds of random, stuff on chicas walls and stories. Both A and E did not ask me for money upfront. I wouldn't bother putting in the time to research a hardened pro asking 200 plus "por una hora".

My guide today took me down to centro and while yeah, I definitely saw some diamonds in the rough, raunchy in just the way I would like very much. I was immediately getting sized up by the locals, they were literally pointing at me. Tried to dress down, old jeans and a tee shirt but I am a fat gringo, no hiding it. My guide saw something and he got really uncomfortable and said it's time to go. Like I said it's too bad, some really nice skanky ones, just perfect for the old high risk raw dog. I like taking chances with my life. In bed. Not getting rolled by a gang.

Anyways I got a FB girl coming after my rappi delivery of lube, Cialis and (hopefully won't have to use them) condoms. The FB leg work has paid off so far as I can tell, my messages are blowing up as soon as I announced I am here.

I will keep you all updated.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2668720]If you go to an upscale Colombian burger restaurant, your burger will probably be cooked rare, medio. Ask for "tres cuartos" if you want it medium. I never learned the local term for burn the fuck out of it.[/QUOTE]Here is a chart.

Remember, Manrique is our little secret hehe. Ive partied there numerous times pre-pandemic and a few times since. I remember hitting up club Praga when there was an 8pm curfew about a year ago. All music and partying stopped and then moved over to a makeshift area, kept the party going till midnight. Ordinary Medellin rules and laws dont apply in Manrique haha. Zenith is def the go to spot now. Its remodeled and lots of young and beautiful chicas, but also lots of young cats trying to spit game and yes many wear the same fit : jeans, graphics tee and a hat. I just love how you can smoke, snort, and sniff all you want in plain sight. Being a chino with a Cali type style/attitude, I def got lots of eye fucks/stares in a good way. But I’m always with amigas, so didn’t need to do any hunting. The contrast to that would be La Chula in Las Palmas. I was there partying it up this past weekend, it attracts a higher class of people and obviously lots of gringos and even chinos. Man, I need to go back to hiding in the northern suburbs. Medellin is officially overrun by gringos.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2668560]Went up to Manrique last week for the first time since about 1 yer before the pandemic started. My god, KI hardly recognise the place! So many changes. Seems like property in Manrique is a good investment right now. Lots of big new buildings going jup, loads new restaurants and clubs, many of the smaller ones closed down.

I went to Zenith. Loads of cute and available girls there. It does make me laugh though, watching the locals. They are like clones of each other, all dressing and styling the same way, dancing the same way, same mannerisms. Still, I had a lot of fun. Prices have gone up, but still a fraction of the price of a similar night in Poblado.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2668932]Here is a chart.[/QUOTE]My list appears different:

Meats.

Posta--Top Round.

Muchacho --Heel.

Huevo de Aldana --Bottom Round.

Tabla --Bottom Round.

Solomito Redondo -Sirloin.

Solomito Largo -Tri-Tip.

Punta de Ancha -Sirloin Tip Center.

Hígado -Liver.

Rare = muy jugosa.

Medium rare = jugosa.

Medium = a punto.

Medium well = cocida.

Well done = bien cocida.

I just spent two weeks in Medellin. I had another successful trip sport fucking girls from Seeking. I scheduled two or three girls per day and called them Ubers to be delivered directly to my hotel. Highly recommend York Luxury Suites Hotel. It's exceptional.

Pros of Medellin: sheer volume of girls available online. More girls that I could possibly meet with. Good looking girls, well behaved, will do whatever you want for the right price.

Cons: shitty weather (it's cloudy and rains everyday) and the logistics. On average it takes an hour to schedule an Uber, successfully pick up the girl and have her brought to me. Can be challenging as the drivers here are fucking terrible. Coordinating pick up between driver and girl, driver cancellations, incorrect pick up locations, etc.

I prefer the beach, sun and easy logistics. Headed to Rio de Janeiro shortly.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2668689].Th e last time I did BBFS in Medellin I paid 100 k for a Facebook girl, she was with me for 2 hours and it was in Christmas Eve (2017). I didn't even ask for BBFS. At the time the going rate for Facebook was 150 k + 20 k for taxi. She was quite a good performer. She was also the reason why I no longer do BBFS with hookers.[/QUOTE]Mind sharing as to why you ceased bare-backing hookers after being with this Facebook girl.

I know bare-backing can be quite a topic here, with a wide range of attitudes about it, and am just curious as to what changed your mind on things, and am sure you had a very good reason, such as catching an STD.

I'm not trying to put you on the spot, your posts are always full of good information, and if you decline to respond, I apologize for bringing the question up.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2668943]Remember, Manrique is our little secret hehe. Ive partied there numerous times pre-pandemic and a few times since. I remember hitting up club Praga when there was an 8pm curfew about a year ago. All music and partying stopped and then moved over to a makeshift area, kept the party going till midnight. Ordinary Medellin rules and laws dont apply in Manrique haha. Zenith is def the go to spot now. Its remodeled and lots of young and beautiful chicas, but also lots of young cats trying to spit game and yes many wear the same fit : jeans, graphics tee and a hat. I just love how you can smoke, snort, and sniff all you want in plain sight. Being a chino with a Cali type style/attitude, I def got lots of eye fucks/stares in a good way. But Im always with amigas, so didnt need to do any hunting. The contrast to that would be La Chula in Las Palmas. I was there partying it up this past weekend, it attracts a higher class of people and obviously lots of gringos and even chinos. Man, I need to go back to hiding in the northern suburbs. Medellin is officially overrun by gringos.[/QUOTE]And it's the halfway point for the "backway" from El Centro to Bello on Calle 46 (don't quote me on that street number) that is quicker, cheaper taxi, more interesting, and bypasses all the snarls and traffic jams on the main highway. Oops, sorry, let another little secret out of the bag. In fact, even though it's shorter I tell the taxi driver ahead of time that I will give him 20 mil to take the back way simply because it is so much more enjoyable.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2668700]1. That place doesn't exist in Medellin, or if it does it's the best kept secret in Colombia. Some people will tell you their favorite spot is best for you, but I've checked out almost all of them and they've all been hit or miss. Unfortunately, the best option (IMO) in Medellin is Facebook. Many people disagree. It requires some prior planning. On the plus side, once you've done the work you have an inexhaustible supply of women. That's no help now.

2. I'd go to where you already know how to find what you're looking for, Bogota. Why risk wasting time overcoming issues in Medellin when you only have a week? Save it for when you have more time and can establish a workable game plan.[/QUOTE]Much appreciated. Bogota it is this time around. I look forward to exploring Medellin again in the not too distant future.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2668943]Remember, Manrique is our little secret hehe. Ive partied there numerous times pre-pandemic and a few times since. I remember hitting up club Praga when there was an 8pm curfew about a year ago. All music and partying stopped and then moved over to a makeshift area, kept the party going till midnight. Ordinary Medellin rules and laws dont apply in Manrique haha. Zenith is def the go to spot now. Its remodeled and lots of young and beautiful chicas, but also lots of young cats trying to spit game and yes many wear the same fit : jeans, graphics tee and a hat. I just love how you can smoke, snort, and sniff all you want in plain sight. [/QUOTE]Another thing I noticed is that there are som nay police there now. Checking drink driving especially. Incredible that they should pick on the locals there instead of anyone else, but heyho. Am sure they can afford to pay the fines. Not.

Send me a PM if you have pans to build a high risein Manrique. Especially a low budget one hehe.

PS: I am not a gringo.

The flight landed 5:45. Took the bus to San Diego mall. Right in front of the mall I see claro so I purchase the sim card there. The guy was super patient and nice. But we have language barrier so he was typing the whole time and I apologize for the inconvenience. So it took about an hour to get that sim card. Then it was around 8. The money exchange place closed. Took the taxes to the hotel. Center of the Poblado. Not much going on. Because I didn't have large amount of cop. I didn't go inside the clubs. The street hookers seems okay but not my type. I rather pick facebook girls. Then I walked every single streets at the Poblado area. Zero action going on at the traffic park. The another park is sealed under construction. Finally I saw a tiny window shows money exchange. I changed about enough to get laid. Then there are guys on the street ask me multiple times to go to their bar, no cover fee, I was like, alright. And then I went in. All the girls there just waitress. They are not hookers. Because I don't speak English. The waitress serve me two beers when I said check out in English. It was super awkward. The guy pull me in the clubs told me I can dance with the girls if I buy them cocktail. I said alright, any of them speak English and willing to exit the bar with me? He told all the girls about my idea and none of the girls approach me. One of the girls smile at me like she was looking at a horny virgin. Then I back to the hotel. Texting facebook girls. Some never responde. Some said it is too late now. Looking at my hottub that I didn't have a chance to use. Damn, that is a bad start. I got to pull my shit together.

It's difficult if your Spanish is nonexistent.

I highly recommend you visit el centro. Many casas there and no need for Spanish. Especially if your pressed on time.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2669096]The flight landed 5:45. Took the bus to San Diego mall. Right in front of the mall I see claro so I purchase the sim card there. The guy was super patient and nice. But we have language barrier so he was typing the whole time and I apologize for the inconvenience. So it took about an hour to get that sim card. Then it was around 8. The money exchange place closed. Took the taxes to the hotel. Center of the Poblado. Not much going on. Because I didn't have large amount of cop. I didn't go inside the clubs. The street hookers seems okay but not my type. I rather pick facebook girls. Then I walked every single streets at the Poblado area. Zero action going on at the traffic park. The another park is sealed under construction. Finally I saw a tiny window shows money exchange. I changed about enough to get laid. Then there are guys on the street ask me multiple times to go to their bar, no cover fee, I was like, alright. And then I went in. All the girls there just waitress. They are not hookers. Because I don't speak English. The waitress serve me two beers when I said check out in English. It was super awkward. The guy pull me in the clubs told me I can dance with the girls if I buy them cocktail. I said alright, any of them speak English and willing to exit the bar with me? He told all the girls about my idea and none of the girls approach me. One of the girls smile at me like she was looking at a horny virgin. Then I back to the hotel. Texting facebook girls. Some never responde. Some said it is too late now. Looking at my hottub that I didn't have a chance to use. Damn, that is a bad start. I got to pull my shit together.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Playboy2021;2668992]I just spent two weeks in Medellin. I had another successful trip sport fucking girls from Seeking. I scheduled two or three girls per day and called them Ubers to be delivered directly to my hotel. Highly recommend York Luxury Suites Hotel. It's exceptional.

Pros of Medellin: sheer volume of girls available online. More girls that I could possibly meet with. Good looking girls, well behaved, will do whatever you want for the right price.

Cons: shitty weather (it's cloudy and rains everyday) and the logistics. On average it takes an hour to schedule an Uber, successfully pick up the girl and have her brought to me. Can be challenging as the drivers here are fucking terrible. Coordinating pick up between driver and girl, driver cancellations, incorrect pick up locations, etc.

I prefer the beach, sun and easy logistics. Headed to Rio de Janeiro shortly.[/QUOTE]I started with 150.000 COP with one SA girl and she responded back with $200 USD.

Another one quoted 600.000 COP for 2-3 hours. One has been constantly begging me for.

Rent money. What were you paying for SA girls?

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2669096]The flight landed 5:45. Took the bus to San Diego mall. Right in front of the mall I see claro so I purchase the sim card there. The guy was super patient and nice. But we have language barrier so he was typing the whole time and I apologize for the inconvenience. So it took about an hour to get that sim card. Then it was around 8. The money exchange place closed. Took the taxes to the hotel. Center of the Poblado. Not much going on. Because I didn't have large amount of cop. I didn't go inside the clubs. The street hookers seems okay but not my type. I rather pick facebook girls. Then I walked every single streets at the Poblado area. Zero action going on at the traffic park. The another park is sealed under construction. Finally I saw a tiny window shows money exchange. I changed about enough to get laid. Then there are guys on the street ask me multiple times to go to their bar, no cover fee, I was like, alright. And then I went in. All the girls there just waitress. They are not hookers. Because I don't speak English. The waitress serve me two beers when I said check out in English. It was super awkward. The guy pull me in the clubs told me I can dance with the girls if I buy them cocktail. I said alright, any of them speak English and willing to exit the bar with me? He told all the girls about my idea and none of the girls approach me. One of the girls smile at me like she was looking at a horny virgin. Then I back to the hotel. Texting facebook girls. Some never responde. Some said it is too late now. Looking at my hottub that I didn't have a chance to use. Damn, that is a bad start. I got to pull my shit together.[/QUOTE]Hit some strip clubs, they are all brothels too, you can have a drink and pick out a hottie & test drive, if she is fun, get her # for meeting when she is off work.

I like Fase II for higher end and Conejitas and Barra Ejectiva for better rates.

How does one go about finding Colombian facebook girls? I assume its wise to not use your actual profile, and create a hobby profile. Any other tips and pointers?

Thanks in advance!

Thank you Lucky Nuts for confirming that being careful down here is a good idea. I got a second SIM card and set up a WhatsApp for Business with the number. Even got some numbers from SA girls, however this seems too easy.

What do you guys do to confirm the girls are real and not scammers? Ask for a video call or meet in the hotel lobby and turn her away if things look off?

Left Bogota a day early and came to Medellin. I sent Nutibara a message to see if any rooms were available but they never messaged me back. Lucky I was able to book a room on booking.

Got to the airport and took the bus for 13K. I was in the bus at 6:30pm but we had to wait until it filled up, so left around 6:50pm. At 7:50pm I arrived downtown and walked the 1 block to Nutibara. I asked the receptionist why they did not answer on whatsapp. She said that was all the reservations department business.

I hopped an Indriver to go meet a chick in Bello. But Indriver in Medellin does not give a suggested price as it does in Bogota. I put in 20K and it was accepted quickly. Coming back I put in 15K and it was accepted quickly as well.

As soon as I got out of the car about 11:45pm, I tried to make rounds. It was raining though. I managed to hit Conejitas, Hilton, and Grill Nueva. Out of those only Grill Nueva had something decent and she was outside at the door. Looked more like she was streetwalking with high heels and all on than working in that spot. I did not get a chance to walk down to Raudal because of the rain.

Today went to Zandalay for a while. Ended up with Yulia. She had no makeup, flip flops instead of those tall goofy ass shoes, and minimal tattoos. I saw her when I first got in but then she disappeared for a long time. I was sitting to where I could see the girls in their anteroom, but no idea what happened to her. She finally showed back up and went to the bathroom to brush her teeth. She had been eating lunch. And it must have been some strong shit (is this Colombia or Thailand) because she used mouthwash followed by 3 kinds of toothpaste, mouthwash again, then she went to get mints AND gum from the cashier. I told her lets go. 50K for 30 minutes.

Had a great time in the room. When she took her bra off I saw she had some milky titties. She grabbed my dick and a condom. At the same time. I snatched the condom and told her no way. She said how much will you give me. I said shit 10K. She said that was not enough but did it anyway.

She stopped and told me to suck her milky titties. I said shit how much will you give me? She said 5K. So I grabbed the condom and acted like I was going to put it on her tit. She started laughing. I said yeah see how much sense that shit makes. We were fucking like rabbits then got the bling bling bling. Murphy's Law: Whenever I get the 30 minutes I wish I would have gotten the hour. Whenever I get the hour, I wish I would have gotten 30 minutes.

Came down to the park/church and there are more hookers than you can shake a stick at down here. There are a lot of people in general. Too bad I am about to move to Laureles.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2669316]Left Bogota a day early and came to Medellin. I sent Nutibara a message to see if any rooms were available but they never messaged me back. Lucky I was able to book a room on booking.

Got to the airport and took the bus for 13K. I was in the bus at 6:30pm but we had to wait until it filled up, so left around 6:50pm. At 7:50pm I arrived downtown and walked the 1 block to Nutibara. I asked the receptionist why they did not answer on whatsapp. She said that was all the reservations department business.

I hopped an Indriver to go meet a chick in Bello. But Indriver in Medellin does not give a suggested price as it does in Bogota. I put in 20K and it was accepted quickly. Coming back I put in 15K and it was accepted quickly as well.

As soon as I got out of the car about 11:45pm, I tried to make rounds. It was raining though. I managed to hit Conejitas, Hilton, and Grill Nueva. Out of those only Grill Nueva had something decent and she was outside at the door. Looked more like she was streetwalking with high heels and all on than working in that spot. I did not get a chance to walk down to Raudal because of the rain.[/QUOTE]You fell for the lunch routine, you know better, she just guzzled a gallon of cum, ! What happened to girl in bello?

Batting. 500 on facebook. 1st girl looked good in her photos but had put on about 20 lbs since then she was just barely acceptable, barely. Also I haven't gotten laid since October of 2019 so I was going to hit it if she was a 3. She was a 4 so it was on. Gave a decent GFE with DFK, DATY, but sadly CBJ and CFS. She wanted double (400 k) for BB, nope. The jacuzzi was nice she spent 4 hours with me because when you are with Sargon it's party, we had some absolute vodka and we ordered El Coral.

Good time but I have a 19 why / o college student that I am taking out for a fancy dinner and a hard session after tonight. She came very highly recommend from some friends. Going to treat her like a princess and then like a. Well you know. The message board censors that word! LOL!

Second girl last night was a 5 out of ten, more deceptive photos. She was a absolute spinner but you can tell it's because she hasn't had a decent meal in a month. WTF. She gets here and she is kind of out of it, after just having a 4 hour long GFE, I was up for either GFE or PSE. This girl did want to talk much, I know google translate is kind of a drag but it ain't that bad. So not 5 minutes in we go into the bedroom, get naked and well shit. She used to have nice tits, but she ain't been eating and the look deflated. But Sargon is going to solder on! We get on the bed and she isn't letting touch her much, no bueno for me. But she says lay back and let me work (I think that what she said I have about 20 words in Spanish and most of them involve saying Hello). She then proceeds to give me the least inspired hand job of my life (which is saying a lot). And then she does the big no-no in Sargon's world, she is watching the clock. Deal was 2 hours, two leches, 200 k. Now she's says it 1 hour. I am not happy, I stop the action and say what's up. She starts to cry (I hate that, I am not into the are word, Sargon is a conqueror but a conqueror of love!) she then starts telling me some bullshit story about how she has only been doing this 15 days (oddly specific, don't ya think?) and she just got pregnant and the father got murdered last month and her mother is throwing her out of the house. So I have to get rid of her, I don't know the rules here, but in Thailand you pay the girl and make them leave, call the front desk if you have to. So sorry guys I know you may disagree with this but I paid her and made her go. I don't want trouble, its my 1st fucking day in this country. Too bad she wasn't cool because if she was cool and pregnant I would have paid extra to rappi bring down a pregnancy test and I would have gave her a ton of money to let me creampie her all night. Sargon is a very dirty dog, a gentleman to be sure but very, very dirty.

This always happens my 1st time and 1st day in a new scene, it goes off the rails, I expect it. So I am not letting this get me down. Had a great day with my guide, went sight seeing and had a wonder full experience. Some of the folks here are very friendly and helpful.

More updates to come. Going to a tour of the strip clubs either tomorrow or the next day. I wish I didn't feel like I had a huge target painted on me in El Centro, I want skank, I want to do it really dirty with one of the diamonds in the rough. Any suggestions on that guys? I dressed as down as I can but yeah, I stand out everywhere I go, it can't be helped. In Thailand that is plus, here it is a very mixed blessing.

Remember guys "If you can't be good, be fun".

[QUOTE=Sargon76;2669343] I want skank, I want to do it really dirty with one of the diamonds in the rough. Any suggestions on that guys? I dressed as down as I can but yeah, I stand out everywhere I go, it can't be helped . . . Remember guys "If you can't be good, be fun".[/QUOTE]Great quote. I dunno, if your goal is skanky sex with an El Centro diamond in the rough, I don't think whether or not you blend in matters to them. I don't blend and I find great girls on the occasions I go to El Centro. Well, perhaps there have been a few times I went and did not select a chica but I would place that result more on my lack of motivation than than lack of supply of desirable wet holes. Usually it is so easy that my effort threshold is very low. But I digress.

I believe when mongers don't find what they are looking for at Ground Zero it is the same problem amateurs have when trying to triage a disaster scene. Their attention is skewed toward the blood and the guts and they are not able to form a picture of what is actually going on in front of them.

Look in the corners and the shadows for the less obvious girls that at first you may not even be sure if they are selling, but they are. One time I approached a chica and then her husband pulled up on a moto in the middle of it and we all had a good laugh. Nobody was offended. Forget about any preconceived notions and beliefs you have about Pay 4 Play from other parts of the world, and especially the United States when you come here. Start fresh with an open mind.

If you see a chica you really like, don't keep making the rounds looking for greener grass. Grab her the first moment you see her because the hawt ones get plucked fast.

For the nasty skank factor, I would lean more towards what Surfer Dude calls the candy girls or what some guys have mentioned as the girls on the steps at the metro station. I have not tried any of the stair chicas yet so I am talking out my ass but I can see the marketing angle and it makes sense. I would bet you are just as likely if not more to get freaky-deaky sex with the girls on the fringe instead of the middle of the triage disaster (Ground Zero).

Recent random gratuitous fotos. I call the marshmallows stuffed in the pregnant pussy "How to give a kid a sweet tooth" jajaa.

[QUOTE=Sargon76;2669343]Batting. 500 on facebook. 1st girl looked good in her photos but had put on about 20 lbs since then she was just barely acceptable, barely. Also I haven't gotten laid since October of 2019 so I was going to hit it if she was a 3. She was a 4 so it was on. Gave a decent GFE with DFK, DATY, but sadly CBJ and CFS. She wanted double (400 k) for BB, nope. The jacuzzi was nice she spent 4 hours with me because when you are with Sargon it's party, we had some absolute vodka and we ordered El Coral.

Good time but I have a 19 why / o college student that I am taking out for a fancy dinner and a hard session after tonight. She came very highly recommend from some friends. Going to treat her like a princess and then like a. Well you know. The message board censors that word! LOL!

Second girl last night was a 5 out of ten, more deceptive photos. She was a absolute spinner but you can tell it's because she hasn't had a decent meal in a month. WTF. She gets here and she is kind of out of it, after just having a 4 hour long GFE, I was up for either GFE or PSE. This girl did want to talk much, I know google translate is kind of a drag but it ain't that bad. So not 5 minutes in we go into the bedroom, get naked and well shit. She used to have nice tits, but she ain't been eating and the look deflated. But Sargon is going to solder on! We get on the bed and she isn't letting touch her much, no bueno for me. But she says lay back and let me work (I think that what she said I have about 20 words in Spanish and most of them involve saying Hello). She then proceeds to give me the least inspired hand job of my life (which is saying a lot). And then she does the big no-no in Sargon's world, she is watching the clock. Deal was 2 hours, two leches, 200 k. Now she's says it 1 hour. I am not happy, I stop the action and say what's up. She starts to cry (I hate that, I am not into the are word, Sargon is a conqueror but a conqueror of love!) she then starts telling me some bullshit story about how she has only been doing this 15 days (oddly specific, don't ya think?) and she just got pregnant and the father got murdered last month and her mother is throwing her out of the house...[/QUOTE]Hey man,

I'm in MDE for a while also and looking to check out centro strip clubs. I'm on the centro patrol also and might blend in a bit better but my Spanish sucks. Let me know if you're up for grabbing a beer.

New student here.

I've been running the gammut of emotions the past few weeks. I'm visiting SW USA for work in May and I have decided to fly somewhere for some P4 P. Initially, I focussed on Cuba. Not for P4 P but for a fun vacation. But the forum on here (all 100 pages that I read) was a bit of a downer in terms of the current situation. I then looked to Bogota, which I would love to visit, but Medellin has a greater pull for me for many reasons. So. Despite the additional cost and time eating into what is already only a 6-day trip, I'm making the extra flight to Medellin.

I had planned to visit in November 2021 but cancelled due to COVID. I was due to stay at La Mansion, but although I have no doubt that it is great for first timers, I think I'm comfortable enough to hopefully find a guest-friendly airbnb. That is my current main task.

I'm hoping to ask about the FB situation. I'm curently RTFF (The last 50 pages anyway) and I'm hoping that someone would be generous enough to reach out to me with a few known current FB options form which to start my search. Last time, when I was planning for my November trip, I started with 'happy ending Medellin' and made a few contacts from there, through which I scanned friends lists etc and had some good options. But I have struck out so far, albeit it ihas only been a week. I'm not getting any accepted friend requests. Maybe I've been blacklisted! Jajaja.

I just need to get a small thread to pull to get things going.

Also, rather off topic, but I'm looking to take some 1-on-1 dance classes when I'm in town (salsa). Does anyone have any knowledge / recommendations for anyone I can reach out to? The places I've found online seem to be a bit gouge-why in terms of 1-on-1 costs, aimed very much at the gringo $. I'm already quite experienced, so just looking to sharpen skills and hopefully find someone to accompany me to some dance clubs on a couple of evenings. Not expecting anything more, obviously.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2669096]The flight landed 5:45. Took the bus to San Diego mall. Right in front of the mall I see claro so I purchase the sim card there. The guy was super patient and nice. But we have language barrier so he was typing the whole time and I apologize for the inconvenience. So it took about an hour to get that sim card. Then it was around 8. The money exchange place closed. Took the taxes to the hotel. Center of the Poblado. Not much going on. Because I didn't have large amount of cop. I didn't go inside the clubs. The street hookers seems okay but not my type. I rather pick facebook girls. Then I walked every single streets at the Poblado area. Zero action going on at the traffic park. The another park is sealed under construction. Finally I saw a tiny window shows money exchange. I changed about enough to get laid. Then there are guys on the street ask me multiple times to go to their bar, no cover fee, I was like, alright. And then I went in. All the girls there just waitress. They are not hookers. Because I don't speak English. The waitress serve me two beers when I said check out in English. It was super awkward. The guy pull me in the clubs told me I can dance with the girls if I buy them cocktail. I said alright, any of them speak English and willing to exit the bar with me? He told all the girls about my idea and none of the girls approach me. One of the girls smile at me like she was looking at a horny virgin. Then I back to the hotel. Texting facebook girls. Some never responde. Some said it is too late now. Looking at my hottub that I didn't have a chance to use. Damn, that is a bad start. I got to pull my shit together.[/QUOTE]You are a Drifting Cloud. That's kool. I don't know your timeframe or goals but you can let a lot of Medellin come to you without over planning.

So much better tonight. Did a tour of Colonia 13 today with my guide. Fun times, but it was a lot of exercise.

My guide set me up with a girl he and some people I know highly recommend. So far this guy has had my back and helped me a ton so I am down.

19 year old college girl. Absolutely, for me, a 10. Like OMG what is this girl doing with a guy like me. Slender body, small firm tits, amazing ass and thighs, gorgeous face, beautiful mocha skin, soft and firm in all the right places. Took her out for a nice meal and she was smart and fun to talk to via google translate. We even tried teaching each other how to speak each others language. True GFE. After dinner we go back to the apartment. Excellent DFK and then she nips of to the bathroom. Comes out in shear lingerie with the leather strapy things. So Sargon is not into BDSM, maybe a little and only if I am the Dom. But damn the outfit got me going. We abscond to the bedroom. There more DFK and then she give an amazing BBBJ with DT. After a time she ask for condom but with a special lady like this I like to DATY. Who am I kidding, I like DATY with any women with decent hygiene. She really enjoyed that, Sargon is nearly a master of the art. Once she enjoyed as much as she can handle (sex should be like Chinese food, not over till everyone gets their cookies) she puts on a master class of DTBJ. My toes were literally curling. Then onto CFS (nothings perfect but I respect that unless agreed upon prior this is most likely how it will go down). She did the work and I enjoy it to the fullest. Short break and on to the Jacuzzi to relax after a hard days exercise. Sent her how with a nice donation to her continuing education.

Now I am here slightly sun burnt and ready to sleep like a coma patient for at least eight hours. Tomorrow may be the day to skip the sight seeing and just spend time with the ladies. Between the Cialis and the TRT I really want to try for 4 - 5 shots on goal. My record is 8 but I was in my 20's back then.

Osteoknot. Dude I respect your game. You advice is solid, the problem isn't finding the dirty diamond I want in Centro. The problem is that I felt so unsafe, every eye was on me. No Bueno. I would go if I had my squad here with me but Sargon is old and his friends have scattered to the four winds. My wingman, in who I have complete confidence, noticed we were getting cased by the good squad and we beat a hasty retreat. My street sense is garbage but even I could tell that the animals could smell the fresh meat. Maybe it was my imagination but maybe not. If someone with a lot experience here had my back I would give it another try but my friend doesn't want to go back and I am not flying solo. Hit me up on the PM if you want to chat about it.

Hi,

I'm traveling to Medellin in around 1 week. Parque Lleras in Poblado was suggested as the best place to stay, I'd like to meet regular or semi pro girls so have a less business like transaction.

What can I expect to pay on average and where would you suggest I go for bars and clubs?

Thanks.

I found these "cuca" cookies at the Exito the other day and they have been a great source of flirting and banter with some of the chicas I see. As most of you know cuca is a broadly used Latin American term for pussy. So when my amiga asked me what I was doing the other day, I told her "comiendo cuca. Quieres venir a comer cuca conmigo" and sent her this photo. Anyway I think the fact that there are pussy cookies tells you something about Colombia and attitudes about sex.

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore;2669401]Hey man,

I'm in MDE for a while also and looking to check out centro strip clubs. I'm on the centro patrol also and might blend in a bit better but my Spanish sucks. Let me know if you're up for grabbing a beer.[/QUOTE]Hey FlappyGilmore,

I am definitely down to have some beers and check stuff out, swap notes etc. I would send you a PM to exchange contact info but it doesn't give me the option. I think you need a paid membership for us to PM, I have found it to be absolutely worth the 25 bucks.

[QUOTE=Sargon76;2669441]So much better tonight. Did a tour of Colonia 13 today with my guide. Fun times, but it was a lot of exercise.

My guide set me up with a girl he and some people I know highly recommend. So far this guy has had my back and helped me a ton so I am down.

19 year old college girl. Absolutely, for me, a 10. Like OMG what is this girl doing with a guy like me. Slender body, small firm tits, amazing ass and thighs, gorgeous face, beautiful mocha skin, soft and firm in all the right places. Took her out for a nice meal and she was smart and fun to talk to via google translate. We even tried teaching each other how to speak each others language. True GFE. After dinner we go back to the apartment. Excellent DFK and then she nips of to the bathroom. Comes out in shear lingerie with the leather strapy things. So Sargon is not into BDSM, maybe a little and only if I am the Dom. But damn the outfit got me going. We abscond to the bedroom. There more DFK and then she give an amazing BBBJ with DT. After a time she ask for condom but with a special lady like this I like to DATY. Who am I kidding, I like DATY with any women with decent hygiene. She really enjoyed that, Sargon is nearly a master of the art. Once she enjoyed as much as she can handle (sex should be like Chinese food, not over till everyone gets their cookies) she puts on a master class of DTBJ. My toes were literally curling. Then onto CFS (nothings perfect but I respect that unless agreed upon prior this is most likely how it will go down). She did the work and I enjoy it to the fullest. Short break and on to the Jacuzzi to relax after a hard days exercise. Sent her how with a nice donation to her continuing education.

Now I am here slightly sun burnt and ready to sleep like a coma patient for at least eight hours. Tomorrow may be the day to skip the sight seeing and just spend time with the ladies. Between the Cialis and the TRT I really want to try for 4 - 5 shots on goal. My record is 8 but I was in my 20's back then..[/QUOTE]Hey Sargon,

Awesome report. Can you PM me the contact details for your guide? Would you have felt safe in El Centro with a guide?

[QUOTE=Puthsardarade;2669563]Hi,

I'm traveling to Medellin in around 1 week. Parque Lleras in Poblado was suggested as the best place to stay, I'd like to meet regular or semi pro girls so have a less business like transaction.

What can I expect to pay on average and where would you suggest I go for bars and clubs?.[/QUOTE]You should ask whoever suggested Parque Lleras as the best place to stay. I'm not trying to be rude. People come through here regularly and ask the same things, questions which require 100 more questions before they can be answered.

Here's the first question. How successful are you, where you live, at finding regular girls and getting them to have sex with you shortly after meeting them? If I put you on a timer and told you that you have to find a woman you've never seen before, and convince her to have sex with you within 3 hours, what are your chances of success?

Let's make it more difficult. Now you need to find a woman in a country you've never been to before and make the connection when she doesn't even speak your language.

If you were just looking for women you could pay for sex, because that's what they do to earn a living, it would be simple. That's like asking "where can I get a hamburger and how much does it cost?" You're asking "How can I get a hamburger, made from a cow raised and butchered by vegans?

The way I see it, you have 2 options.

1. In the next week master the skill of meeting and seducing women and learn enough Spanish to carry on a conversation.

2. Decide to pay women for sex who expect to get paid for sex.

Let us know which.

Jimbox if you see this I am trying to send you my WhatsApp or Facebook. If you see this please clear your inbox and PM me. I so got some question to everyone. I have a Facebook girl during the day. So my hotel wouldn't allow me bringing another girl at night, they charges 100 k for more. Also I cum twice today so I am thinking tonight my best bet is just go to some strip clubs and enjoy the view and labdance. Any strip clubs at Poblado? I think gusto is just a hotel girls hook up place. Right?

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2669764]Jimbox if you see this I am trying to send you my WhatsApp or Facebook. If you see this please clear your inbox and PM me. I so got some question to everyone. I have a Facebook girl during the day. So my hotel wouldn't allow me bringing another girl at night, they charges 100 k for more. Also I cum twice today so I am thinking tonight my best bet is just go to some strip clubs and enjoy the view and labdance. Any strip clubs at Poblado? I think gusto is just a hotel girls hook up place. Right?[/QUOTE]Gusto is just a regular night club where hookers go to find guys who will pay more. La Isla is a strip club in Poblado. Fase Dos is also in Poblado. They are not close together and you will need to taxi to either one. Prices are about the same, but La Isla is much more comfortable. You need to buy a bottle to get good seating at either place. Which place has the best girls depends on the night.

This is an awesome summary. I just want to say thanks for that JjBee62!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2664565]I'll try to answer. It's difficult to give exact answers without a lot more information from you.

First thing, forget Instagram and webcam sites, along with YouTube videos. YouTube videos mostly just give one person's opinion. IG and webcams will waste a lot of your time and money with minimal returns. You'll be competing with guys who are happy to spend lots of money for just the online interactions.

Where and how to find girls depends on what you're comfortable with. What works for you in the US? You should concentrate on the Colombian equivalent. At least to get started. Knowing Spanish will work in your favor.

Where to stay is another decision based upon your experience and comfort level. The easiest solution is to stay at the Mansion (Search Hotel M Medellin). There will be other, experienced mongers there who can help you out and there are girls available onsite. It's not the cheapest option, but it's reasonable compared to US hotels. About $200 per day should cover food, lodging and 2 girls. If that's your choice, book several weeks in advance. They tend to be busy.

With hotels you will often be charged extra for bringing girls to your room, or you might be limited on the number of guests. Some will not allow any guests. Most will require the girls to have a valid ID.

You could run into the same issues with Airbnb. Pay attention to the description and rules.

Some guys prefer a place where access is controlled. This adds a level of security, but can also cause problems. For a first timer, having someone screening visitors is probably best.

The prices for companionship vary greatly. I'll cover some of the options. The price ranges depend on location. All of these are for CFS. Some will require more for anything beyond what you probably get for your money in the US. None of these prices are exact. Also you should be negotiating in pesos and not dollars.

Street girls range from less than $15 for about 30 minutes to about $100 for an hour.

Strip club girls go from around $20 for 30 minutes or so to $75 for 45-60 minutes.

Casas run from under $15 for 30 minutes to $75 or more per hour.

Online advertisers start around $20 per hour and go up. Many are in-call locations, similar to what you would find on the sites used in the US.

Social media girls (primarily Facebook) mostly start less than $40 and there are some getting $200 or more. Many are available for around $60. It's common to get GFE from these girls, including BBBJ. Most will stay for a least an hour at that price and multiple hours with MSOG is fairly common.

Freelancers in night clubs can expect from $50 up to $500 or more. That price might get you an hour or all night.

There are other options, but that should give you an idea.

Can you just walk around and pick up a girl? Yes, no and maybe. It depends on where you are, how easily you interact with others and many other things. How you operate in the US will have a lot to do with how you find girls.

Most guys pull money as needed from an ATM. Whether this is best depends on your bank. I keep 2 checking accounts in 2 separate banks. Because of conversion fees and out of network ATM fees, it's better for me to take cash and exchange it, for one of my accounts. For the other account I get a better rate by withdrawing local currency from an ATM. I mostly get money from the ATM, but I bring some cash, in case of an emergency. I also am setup so I can transfer money from one of my accounts to a cash pickup location, similar to using Western Union. That's just for a serious emergency. One bit of advice, only carry what you expect to spend.

My guess is that the majority of girls will not be completely open with you taking video. In many cases, paying more will change their mind. The same is true for most things. If you require something extra, you can often get it by pulling out your money.

The cost for any particular girl on any given day can and will vary. A thick girl might want double or half of what another girl wants. Focus instead on what you want to pay. Pick girls who fit your budget and meet your requirements.

Since you mentioned spending your income tax return on the trip, I assume you will be on a budget. Fortunately, Colombia is very inexpensive. It's possible to eat 3 meals daily and spend less than $10. Reasonable hotels or apartments can be found for $25-$45 per night, or less. Taxis will take you almost anywhere you need to go, except to and from the airport, for under $5 and $2-$3 is common. The airport will cost under $25 (by taxi).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sargon76;2664811]Facebook, using google translate. Seems to be work well enough for me, got them messaging me like crazy. I will let you know how it plays out once I get down there. If they are semi-pro than they are still interested in the money. As far as "normal girls" goes, don't bother, remember crazy in the streets = crazy between the sheets.

As for being incel, go easy on yourself, that term has some pretty harsh connotations and let's face it, women in the US are by-and-large absolutely horrible to try and date. The problem might not be you, it could be, but IDK. I know my issue is that, while I have a great personality, I am fat and sort of weird looking. Also I only recently began making decent money and become somewhat successful in my career, so yeah, American women aren't too interested in me. But that's OK, because whenever I leave the US, all of a sudden I am a top catch, pros, semi-pros and "normal" women take interest in me.[/QUOTE]I had to respond, becuase this resonates with me. I'm pushing 40 and have taken many steps back in an otherwise lucrative career in order to end up where I am now. But, I'm not 'successful' in that I haven't settled for a decent paying job just to get by. I've pursued what I actually love, and there is delayed payback with that. Also, I'm overweight and not the most attractive.

I've been mongering for many years now, mainly Germany and Thailand as I lived in Europe for most of my life.

Maybe I'm the exception, but I don't WANT a relationship with a US / Western woman. It is just a situation that isn't in my plans. Someone posted here recently that someone was awkward or something and 'that's probably why they're single'. How about, they're single because they want to be?

Not that I want to monger for the rest of my life, but I'm now actively considering moving or retiring to other countries where the women are much less materialistic and more like the type of wife I'd look for, if I eventually decide that I want to get married. I see so many successful guys that are married and, whilst they aren't unhappy per se, I keep asking myself. Would I be happy if that was it? If that was the end of my exploration of women? I just can't see it. Maybe I just have never found 'the one'. But I sure as hell ain't looking for her.

And we need to be careful about labels. Incel is a very specific thing which is not good. It is attributed to guys who are involuntary celebate and, in particular, are resentful of women as a result. Most of us on here are far from that. I in particular love women. But the women I love are not the ones from the US / Canada. They are the women I've met on my travels to countries where they genuinely show interest in you and want to show that they can take care of you, whether you are paying for it or not.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2669759]You should ask whoever suggested Parque Lleras as the best place to stay. I'm not trying to be rude. People come through here regularly and ask the same things, questions which require 100 more questions before they can be answered.

Here's the first question. How successful are you, where you live, at finding regular girls and getting them to have sex with you shortly after meeting them? If I put you on a timer and told you that you have to find a woman you've never seen before, and convince her to have sex with you within 3 hours, what are your chances of success?

Let's make it more difficult. Now you need to find a woman in a country you've never been to before and make the connection when she doesn't even speak your language.

If you were just looking for women you could pay for sex, because that's what they do to earn a living, it would be simple. That's like asking "where can I get a hamburger and how much does it cost?" You're asking "How can I get a hamburger, made from a cow raised and butchered by vegans?.[/QUOTE]I agree. This is not rocket science.

I am with you. I do love women. But I don't want any relationship with a US / Western woman. Been there, done that. I like to think I'm single because I want to be. That said, what I can get here in Colombia is so much more than I could in the USA, unless I wanted to pay a high-end hooker (which I don't). I was married once to a Colombian girl. Super sweet with a big heart, but eventually I found myself wanting to fuck other women again and I could not do that to her. It would have killed her to find out. So better to divorce her and maintain a strong friendship.

Whether I ever marry again, I don't know. Probably not. Women all over the world are materialistic (not all of them). In Colombia, I've seen my fair share. But at least it usually costs a lot less here to keep them happy. And if you get lucky, you can find one who likes you for you and doesn't want to take advantage of you.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2669784]

Maybe I'm the exception, but I don't WANT a relationship with a US / Western woman. It is just a situation that isn't in my plans. Someone posted here recently that someone was awkward or something and 'that's probably why they're single'. How about, they're single because they want to be?

Not that I want to monger for the rest of my life, but I'm now actively considering moving or retiring to other countries where the women are much less materialistic and more like the type of wife I'd look for, if I eventually decide that I want to get married. I in particular love women. But the women I love are not the ones from the US / Canada. They are the women I've met on my travels to countries where they genuinely show interest in you and want to show that they can take care of you, whether you are paying for it or not.[/QUOTE]

One of my regulars came by tonight with her cousin. I usually see her once or twice on my trips for the past year. I like her spinner body. We were having a good time. Jacuzzi, domocilio, trio sex, and then back to the jacuzzi. Going to the jacuzzi for a second time was not the norm for her. While we were there, she excused herself to use the bathroom. Her cousin stayed with me and played a little. It was taking a little more time than I expected (unless she was taking a big dump) and I got suspicious. When we went back downstairs for them to change, I opened my safe (it uses a key, not a combination). I could immediately tell something was not right. A US dollar bill was laying there, not in my regular wallet. And as I counted the money I had, it was clear that it was not what I should have. I noticed that the skin cream I had put in front of the safe door had been moved. I noticed that my keys, which I thought I had hide OK were not in the same position where I left them. It was obvious she watched how I opened the safe in the past and knew how to use the key. Very disappointing.

The good news was that I hid my other wallet in the toaster oven and she did not find that. The other good news is that while they were dressing, I opened her purse and saw 4, 50 mil notes stashed in there. She obviously was in a hurry and just crammed the money in the purse instead of hiding it. This girl is not a prepago (met her through another chica friend) and she would not have this kind of money in her purse. So I took the money back.

This is only the second time in the last 16 years that I got ripped off. The first time it was the equivalent of $40 USD. This second time I at least got my money back. And I learned a lesson to never give papaya. Even though I used the safe, the girl was smart enough to watch me and learn how to get in it. From now on, my keys will not leave my sight (or if I am naked, the will be hidden). Just a good lesson for the newer guys. If she would have asked me, I might have given her the money to help her out. But don't steal.

But in the end, besides almost getting ripped off, I did have some good sex. And I got the number of the cousin.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2669831]One of my regulars came by tonight with her cousin. I usually see her once or twice on my trips for the past year. I like her spinner body. We were having a good time. Jacuzzi, domocilio, trio sex, and then back to the jacuzzi. Going to the jacuzzi for a second time was not the norm for her. While we were there, she excused herself to use the bathroom. Her cousin stayed with me and played a little. It was taking a little more time than I expected (unless she was taking a big dump) and I got suspicious. When we went back downstairs for them to change, I opened my safe (it uses a key, not a combination). I could immediately tell something was not right. A US dollar bill was laying there, not in my regular wallet. And as I counted the money I had, it was clear that it was not what I should have. I noticed that the skin cream I had put in front of the safe door had been moved. I noticed that my keys, which I thought I had hide OK were not in the same position where I left them. It was obvious she watched how I opened the safe in the past and knew how to use the key. Very disappointing.

The good news was that I hid my other wallet in the toaster oven and she did not find that. The other good news is that while they were dressing, I opened her purse and saw 4, 50 mil notes stashed in there. She obviously was in a hurry and just crammed the money in the purse instead of hiding it. This girl is not a prepago (met her through another chica friend) and she would not have this kind of money in her purse. So I took the money back.

This is only the second time in the last 16 years that I got ripped off. The first time it was the equivalent of $40 USD. This second time I at least got my money back. And I learned a lesson to never give papaya. Even though I used the safe, the girl was smart enough to watch me and learn how to get in it. From now on, my keys will not leave my sight (or if I am naked, the will be hidden). Just a good lesson for the newer guys. If she would have asked me, I might have given her the money to help her out. But don't steal.

But in the end, besides almost getting ripped off, I did have some good sex. And I got the number of the cousin.[/QUOTE]What did she say about it? Did she give you an excuse?

Well this is awkward. You just thanked me for a post and then post something I want to thank you for. Well said.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2669784]I had to respond, becuase this resonates with me. I'm pushing 40 and have taken many steps back in an otherwise lucrative career in order to end up where I am now. But, I'm not 'successful' in that I haven't settled for a decent paying job just to get by. I've pursued what I actually love, and there is delayed payback with that. Also, I'm overweight and not the most attractive.

I've been mongering for many years now, mainly Germany and Thailand as I lived in Europe for most of my life.

Maybe I'm the exception, but I don't WANT a relationship with a US / Western woman. It is just a situation that isn't in my plans. Someone posted here recently that someone was awkward or something and 'that's probably why they're single'. How about, they're single because they want to be?[/QUOTE]Let me touch on a few things here. I'm pushing 60 and I'm not in the condition I was in when I was pushing 40. I've met quite a few mongers and we come in all shapes, sizes and ages. Most are just the typical, average guy, just like people you see every day. Income levels vary widely as well.

It sounds as if you're following my career path. Long ago I decided to find something I enjoyed doing. There were some rough years, but it's paying off now. I've known a lot of people who every day struggle to get out of bed to go work a job they hate. To me no paycheck is worth that.

I've had my relationships, 3 wives, and several live-in relationships. Just like doing a job I hate, I have no interest in waking up with someone who I'm tired of being with. I tried the casual dating thing and realized it was a waste of time and money. You meet, go out a few times before you ever end up in bed and you spend twice as much as just paying for sex and you have to deal with all her emotional baggage. Add to that, as you get into a cycle of lowering your standards. P4P is generally cheaper and you get younger, more attractive women without dealing with all the crap.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2669831]One of my regulars came by tonight with her cousin. I usually see her once or twice on my trips for the past year. I like her spinner body. We were having a good time. Jacuzzi, domocilio, trio sex, and then back to the jacuzzi. Going to the jacuzzi for a second time was not the norm for her. While we were there, she excused herself to use the bathroom. Her cousin stayed with me and played a little. It was taking a little more time than I expected (unless she was taking a big dump) and I got suspicious. When we went back downstairs for them to change, I opened my safe (it uses a key, not a combination). I could immediately tell something was not right. A US dollar bill was laying there, not in my regular wallet. And as I counted the money I had, it was clear that it was not what I should have. I noticed that the skin cream I had put in front of the safe door had been moved. I noticed that my keys, which I thought I had hide OK were not in the same position where I left them. It was obvious she watched how I opened the safe in the past and knew how to use the key. Very disappointing.

The good news was that I hid my other wallet in the toaster oven and she did not find that. The other good news is that while they were dressing, I opened her purse and saw 4, 50 mil notes stashed in there. She obviously was in a hurry and just crammed the money in the purse instead of hiding it. This girl is not a prepago (met her through another chica friend) and she would not have this kind of money in her purse. So I took the money back.
[/QUOTE]My last trip I stayed in a 3 bedroom, 3 bathroom apartment. Kitchen and my bedroom and bathroom were on the 5th floor and the jacuzzi, balcony and other bedrooms and bathrooms were on the 6th floor, of a 6 story building. That worked out perfect. Grab something to drink from the refrigerator and head to the balcony. Move from the balcony to the jacuzzi, followed by a visit to one of the spare bedrooms, which had everything needed except for my money. No need for anyone to go to my room, until I went and grabbed the cash.

Staying at the San Peter through AirBnb. Nice building, great views. I ended up with a rear facing bedroom so the noise isn't too bad. I was curious about the bar with the loud music and ended up enjoying a few beers there instead of dealing with the noise.

I have yet to venture out to El centro, but I set up some contacts through Facebook and Seeking before I landed yesterday. I'm getting ranges of 150 K to 300 K on facbook and nothing below 400 K on Seeking. Most likely due to the fact that I don't speak any Spanish.

The first encounter of the day was with the 26-year-old with two kids on Facebook. She was very GFE, DFK, BBBJ. She would have done BBFS but I was hesitant and went con condom. She stayed for a little less than 2 hours but helped me with some Exito shopping on LA 70. Total damage 200 K including taxi. She asked for250 K when leaving but I showed her the WhatsApp message and she said okay.

2nd encounter was with a tiny 21 yo from Seeking. I messed up and didn't agree on an amount before sending her an Uber. I offered to cover her "expenses" and planned on a dinner, drinks before taking her back to my place. I was. Planning ok giving her 400 K but this girl started at 2,000,000 pesos, like close to $500. Sweetest little thing but wouldn't budge. After an hour of negotiation, I was so fed up and told her that I'm getting her an Uber back. All of a sudden she came down and we agreed on 500 k (sorry guys, I hope not to drive the prices up). I was a little turned off by the whole negotiation shit, but once we started she relaxed, DFK, DATY, she came twice and total GFE in bed, covered everything though. Stayed and chatted for an hour after the deed. Ordered some shit Rappi food and eventually got her an Uber 3 hours later. She wants to meet again, with offering no condom, but I don't think I'll repeat.

I'm totally spent after these two encounters, don't know how you guys do so many a day. Planning on going to Centro tomorrow afternoon.

BTW the best ATM rate with no fees seem to be Banco Caja Social on Carrera 70 and Calle 42. Limits 300 K but with multiple withdrawals, I'm getting a rate of 3955 Cop to USD with no fees.

I'll try to post these reports daily. I'm only in Medellin for 4 more days. My advice for the day is to agree to an amount before you meet these girls.

Just tried to message you but your inbox is full. I had a Facebook girl try to convince me to let her bring her cousin along two days ago. Was wondering if it was the same girl. Happy to send you her profile or compare notes over pm.

Also, just wanted to say I appreciate your posts as they resonate with my much more limited experience.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2669794]I am with you. I do love women. But I don't want any relationship with a US / Western woman. Been there, done that. I like to think I'm single because I want to be. That said, what I can get here in Colombia is so much more than I could in the USA, unless I wanted to pay a high-end hooker (which I don't). I was married once to a Colombian girl. Super sweet with a big heart, but eventually I found myself wanting to fuck other women again and I could not do that to her. It would have killed her to find out. So better to divorce her and maintain a strong friendship.

Whether I ever marry again, I don't know. Probably not. Women all over the world are materialistic (not all of them). In Colombia, I've seen my fair share. But at least it usually costs a lot less here to keep them happy. And if you get lucky, you can find one who likes you for you and doesn't want to take advantage of you.[/QUOTE]

I was feeling down due to some chica related drama yesterday and decided I needed some hard-core PSE sex to lift my spirits. Anyway there is a photoprepagos / mileroticos girl with her own apartment called Cristal that has gotten rave reviews for her service on Catadores de Colombia. I'd been thinking of seeing her for a while so I pulled the trigger and set up a date. Her price 200 k for 3 hole service for the hour. Anyway the reviews on Catador are right this is a Chica that loves rough sex and loves her job (I asked and based on attitude I believe her). For my first round it was straight BBBJ face fucking, which progressed to her laying with her head over the edge of the bed for the face fuck. She asks you to slap her with your dick and took a COF / CIM like a pornstar. Second round we went right into anal in a couple positions. Had trouble getting off but she puts in the work for the leche. She's not a 10 by any means but has a decent face and a good body. She's also very friendly and outgoing. I'd definitely recommend if you need a good PSE experience. I've heard she rims too but didn't try to get it.

Also went to Bara Ejecutiva and Conejitas last night with another board member. Barra definitely had better talent but neither is filled with stunners. Conejitas had some sad looking fat chick's dancing and making rounds for tips. Talked to a girl in each but didn't find any I wanted to pull.

So I have about 10 FB girls I am happy with and have agreed price. But continuing to build the roster because I know flakes are part of the game. One girl I am particularly smitten with I gave her my offer and she came back with "do you take care of yourself"? And I don't have a six pack but a bit of definition. So I sent her some pics. My corporate head shot and an abs shot. She came back and asked if I had any REAL pics! LOL. Nice. Made my day. Sent her a couple more pics including one I snapped right after getting out of bed this AM and got a big thumbs up. Made my day. LOL. Cannot WAIT to see these girls.

Update: Three more agreed this AM.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2670007]So I have about 10 FB girls I am happy with and have agreed price. But continuing to build the roster because I know flakes are part of the game. One girl I am particularly smitten with I gave her my offer and she came back with "do you take care of yourself"? And I don't have a six pack but a bit of definition. So I sent her some pics. My corporate head shot and an abs shot. She came back and asked if I had any REAL pics! LOL. Nice. Made my day. Sent her a couple more pics including one I snapped right after getting out of bed this AM and got a big thumbs up. Made my day. LOL. Cannot WAIT to see these girls.

Update: Three more agreed this AM.[/QUOTE]I apologize for the naive query.

I'm one of the 28 people left on the earth who don't use FB or Insta.

I've read numerous comments about using FB for getting semi-pros in Medellin. I've tried to google for info on how to do this but not had much luck.

I've created a dummy FB account, and need to know how to actually find the girls who are willing to accept payment for goods.

What do I search for in FB? I've tried 'prepagos', 'escorts' etc, but not getting anything meaningful.

All advice welcome!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2670007]So I have about 10 FB girls I am happy with and have agreed price. But continuing to build the roster because I know flakes are part of the game. One girl I am particularly smitten with I gave her my offer and she came back with "do you take care of yourself"? And I don't have a six pack but a bit of definition. So I sent her some pics. My corporate head shot and an abs shot. She came back and asked if I had any REAL pics! LOL. Nice. Made my day. Sent her a couple more pics including one I snapped right after getting out of bed this AM and got a big thumbs up. Made my day. LOL. Cannot WAIT to see these girls.

Update: Three more agreed this AM.[/QUOTE]Just a heads-up for you. Prices agreed to before you're in Medellin are subject to change when you're in Medellin. If a girl raises her price, stick to your price, nicely. Tell her you understand, tell her you think she's beautiful and then remind her of your price.

The flake rate can be reduced by a bit of flexibility and understanding. Most girls will agree to whatever time you set, even when they know they can't arrive until much later. There are 2 cultural factors involved.

1. Paisas are known throughout Colombia for being late. Being on time isn't on their priority list. This is contrary to the way most people operate.

2. Colombians don't like to say "no. " It's easier for them to agree and just not show up, because the time you set wasn't possible for them, or they'll show up hours later.

Instead of giving them a time, ask when they can arrive. You can narrow it down to afternoon, evening or later. You can even give the option to meet the next day. This requires some planning on your part. If you want a girl to show up at 6 pm, start looking at 8-10 am. If a girl can be there earlier, adjust your schedule. If she can't be there until much later, either adjust your schedule or move her to the next day.

That's all part of understanding they have lives too. Some have jobs, some have kids, or boyfriends. They aren't the ones on vacation.

The next part is how you account for the fact they're usually going to be late. If she tells you she can arrive at 6 pm, add 45 minutes. She thinks she is supposed to be there at 6 pm, so there's a good chance she will still be at home at 6 pm, getting ready. Don't tell her you want her there at 6:45, just expect her to arrive then. Chances are good that she'll arrive at 6:45, give or take 15 minutes.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2670015]I apologize for the naive query.

I'm one of the 28 people left on the earth who don't use FB or Insta.

I've read numerous comments about using FB for getting semi-pros in Medellin. I've tried to google for info on how to do this but not had much luck.

I've created a dummy FB account, and need to know how to actually find the girls who are willing to accept payment for goods.

What do I search for in FB? I've tried 'prepagos', 'escorts' etc, but not getting anything meaningful.

All advice welcome![/QUOTE]Go back to the main Colombia page on ISG. Look for the "Links to Reports of Distinction" thread. Look for a post titled "Facebook for Newbies."

There are some other posts there with Facebook information.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2670015]I apologize for the naive query...[/QUOTE]Here you got.

[QUOTE= Reports of Distinction;2655336]Links to Reports of Distinction.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JoeBandit;2669901]The first encounter of the day was with the 26-year-old with two kids on Facebook. She was very GFE, DFK, BBBJ. She would have done BBFS but I was hesitant and went con condom. She stayed for a little less than 2 hours but helped me with some Exito shopping on LA 70. Total damage 200 K including taxi. She asked for250 K when leaving but I showed her the WhatsApp message and she said okay.

2nd encounter was with a tiny 21 yo from Seeking.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing your experiences. I'm also hitting FB and SA in preparation for my trip at the end of this month. I PM'd you to pick your brain about your experiences.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2670064]Here you got.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?578-General-Info&p=2410175&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2410175.

Nothing. I am not sure if she noticed the stolen money missing from her purse before she left. Or not. I guess she gives me a gold star for catching her. Funny thing is that she was messaging me again last night wanting to see me again. If I ever do see her again, I will be super careful about my keys.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2669835]What did she say about it? Did she give you an excuse?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2670125]Nothing. I am not sure if she noticed the stolen money missing from her purse before she left. Or not. I guess she gives me a gold star for catching her. Funny thing is that she was messaging me again last night wanting to see me again. If I ever do see her again, I will be super careful about my keys.[/QUOTE]FK that don't ever see her again, did you pay her on the way out? Could of went to safe after taking money out of her purse and then bring up missing money!

These are rhetorical questions aimed at helping other avoid this kind of problem: 1) Why open a safe in front of somebody from whom the safe is supposed to protect belongings? 2) Is it prudent to leave keys or valuables out of eyeshot whilst also allowing "acquaintances / friends / providers / not prepagos / semi pros" to also circulate our of eyeshot? 3) Is it easier to control and protect one wallet rather than several wallets? 4) Is it prudent to contact and spend time with a thief's confederate?

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2669831]One of my regulars came by tonight with her cousin. I usually see her once or twice on my trips for the past year. I like her spinner body. We were having a good time. Jacuzzi, domocilio, trio sex, and then back to the jacuzzi. Going to the jacuzzi for a second time was not the norm for her. While we were there, she excused herself to use the bathroom. Her cousin stayed with me and played a little. It was taking a little more time than I expected (unless she was taking a big dump) and I got suspicious. When we went back downstairs for them to change, I opened my safe (it uses a key, not a combination). I could immediately tell something was not right. A US dollar bill was laying there, not in my regular wallet. And as I counted the money I had, it was clear that it was not what I should have. I noticed that the skin cream I had put in front of the safe door had been moved. I noticed that my keys, which I thought I had hide OK were not in the same position where I left them. It was obvious she watched how I opened the safe in the past and knew how to use the key. Very disappointing.[/QUOTE]

Don't get drugged.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2670125]Nothing. I am not sure if she noticed the stolen money missing from her purse before she left. Or not. I guess she gives me a gold star for catching her. Funny thing is that she was messaging me again last night wanting to see me again. If I ever do see her again, I will be super careful about my keys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2670125]If I ever do see her again, I will be super careful about my keys.[/QUOTE]Take a look at The Lock Picking Lawyer on youtube. There are many other easy ways to get into a safe besides using the key. Magnet, potato, etc.

This shit is doo doo. As soon as a mf get ready to head out to do some debauchery, it starts pouring down raining.

I would say to these.

1) Of course not, especially if you are using a combination. I was not aware that she ever saw me open the safe.

2) Yes, it is. And I thought the keys were out of eye shot. Obviously not. Next time I'll have them in my pocket in the jacuzzi. I should also point out that this was not a "first time" chica. I've known her for a while and have never had a problem. Obviously that was a mistake, but it's even more of a mistake when you are careless with a chica you are seeing for the first time or two, IMO.

3) To each his own on wallet. I have my USA Wallet that I leave in the safe. No need for it here. I have another wallet that just hold 50 mil bills. More than I need to carry anywhere. And then I have the third wallet that has one credit card and some cash. To me, it's better to keep things separated. If one of them was stolen, I've still have the others. I would not want to be here with no credit or debit card or cash. But just the way I do things. Pity the fool who carries one wallet with everything and then loses it or gets it stolen.

4) Maybe / maybe not. In the end, I still had a good time and did not lose anything. The difference is that I check my money and I acted to get it back. Often guys don't realize things are gone untl the chica is gone and it's too late.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2670129]These are rhetorical questions aimed at helping other avoid this kind of problem: 1) Why open a safe in front of somebody from whom the safe is supposed to protect belongings? 2) Is it prudent to leave keys or valuables out of eyeshot whilst also allowing "acquaintances / friends / providers / not prepagos / semi pros" to also circulate our of eyeshot? 3) Is it easier to control and protect one wallet rather than several wallets? 4) Is it prudent to contact and spend time with a thief's confederate?[/QUOTE]

I've enjoyed my annual visits to Kyiv as much as my regular visits to Medellin and it's painful to see what's happening over there. Guys here are a couple very legitimate organizations taking donations and helping with the largest refugee crisis since World War II. Most guys on this website wouldn't even miss $50 or $100 and you can probably imagine how much help that can provide in eastern europe.

[URL]https://www.rescue.org/topic/ukraine-crisis[/URL]

[URL]https://www.icrc.org/en/donate/ukraine[/URL]

4 PM most every day this time of year. It usually lasts one to two hours, sometimes all night.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2670160]This shit is doo doo. As soon as a mf get ready to head out to do some debauchery, it starts pouring down raining.[/QUOTE]

You fall off the cliff and have to scramble and claw your way back up. The "too good to be true" tale of Caribe ended after a few weeks when I caught her red-handed trying to steal money from me yesterday morning. She is the Web cam model who would show up early in the morning horny after a night shift of edging, for "free."

Well, as you have often heard me say, we all pay one way or another, either in the short term or the long term, directly or indirectly.

Things got physical after I quickly figured out where she hid my money, under the mattress on her side of the bed. As you also may recall I wrote before that she is big, bigger than me, muscular and strong. After some overturned pieces of furniture and spilled liquid, as I also unfortunately predicted I had to put a gentle choke hold on her to get control of the situation. She did not pass out but she immediately became scared into submission saying, "I was afraid I would wake up inside a coffin."

Take my advice from having been married to a once-violent female. Maybe not so much here in Colombia but the one thing you don't want to do is leave any marks on a girl from whom you have to defend yourself. The cops will jump all over that evidence and us it as a reason to arrest you.

Anywho, amusingly she tried to return part of the 800 mil she stole, but I took it all back. Then her severe mental illness kicked in and she went into a full delusional state of denial and told me she was just playing a joke on me and was going to return the money to me the next day. By the time she exited my hotel room she denied the event ever happened, called me a murderer, and kissed me on the lips. I gave her back 100 mil. Two hours later she texted me and said she was in need of emergency medical attention because someone shot her in the left ear and she had gone deaf. Paranoid schizophrenia.

For your amusement, I will admit I have not completely ruled out seeing her again in the future. I got careless and she eyeballed the combination to my room safe when I didn't notice so really all I needed to do was change the combination. But I don't plan on seeing her anymore this trip, and she never officially made it onto my Top Ten list, which perhaps is not such an obvious sequitur for the future, considering I have been called gullible and too trusting by many of my fellow mongers. Keep On Keepin' On.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2670197]I've enjoyed my annual visits to Kyiv as much as my regular visits to Medellin and it's painful to see what's happening over there. Guys here are a couple very legitimate organizations taking donations and helping with the largest refugee crisis since World War II. Most guys on this website wouldn't even miss $50 or $100 and you can probably imagine how much help that can provide in eastern europe.

[URL]https://www.rescue.org/topic/ukraine-crisis[/URL]

[URL]https://www.icrc.org/en/donate/ukraine[/URL].[/QUOTE]WTF has this got anything to do with Colombian pussy. What has ISG become, a gofundme site.

Seriously they got some issues back there but leave it there or in the USA as frankly people, gringos like myself who call Colombia my home and Colombians alike, could care less what is going on over in eastern Europe, heck this is why we are expats living in South America.

Give them your hard US dollars if you like but don't promote this BS here, at least post it on the appropriate threads like BS in Medellin or whatever they call those threads.

Much love and respect to all!

TTM.

This trip was more of putting the finishing touches of my recent apartment purchase in both aesthetic and legal terms. Of course, I found time to mess around with the chicas, kept myself busy in multiple fronts. Couple days ago, I finally received the public deed and all the official paper work associated with my apartment. I now officially own a piece of heavenly real estate hehe, best decision I ever made, second only to making the virgin voyage to Medellin 9 years ago. There was a slight delay due to a correction that needed to be done on the title, so having a reputable and experienced lawyer is a must. I wanted to pay the property tax before leaving and found out it was only 700 mil for the entire year for a 300 million peso apartment! Doing the Math it's only 0. 23% of the purchase price, can't beat that! Back home in the Bay Area, I don't even want to look at my property tax that I got to pay in a month. I'm definitely looking into moving here permanently ASAP Rocky, even though I'm only 40, I ain't waiting till I get to my 60's to retire and ride into the sunset.

On a side note, there's a girl that lives in Barrio Pedregal that I've known for a while that saved up enough money to start her own nail saloon business. It's very small and can fit at most 4 people at a time and she had it built literally right underneath her house. I never had a mani or pedi in a long time so I went to support her business. Low and behold she has a very cute and young employee. 18 yrs old, white skinned, long jet black hair, petite body, very pretty face. It was 40 mil for like an HR and half of work, tipper her 20 mil. She was happy hehe. Rest of the day chilled and drank with both of them in between their breaks. Business was slow so they did more drinking than working hehe. Her mom was nice and offered to make sancocho, I said hell yeah. I went to the local store with her and bought all the necessary stuff to make a bombas sancocho. She did not disappoint, took her about 2 hours and it was very soothing to the soul. I just love hanging out in the barrios and literally no gringos/chinos in sight, no offense hehe.

BTW, I did get the chica number, saw her back in my apt the next day for 150 mil plus taxis. She gets paid 1 million pesos flat a month doing nails. Service was wonderful, loves to kiss, gives great BJ with CIM, her natural, petite yet firm body is just a gift from heaven and maybe next time, I'll convince her to do BBFS. I might have to wife her up before someone does haha.

Recondite, you got some competition in cooking for the chicas in Ricerocket99. I brought over a few Japanese ramen noodle packets from my local Ranch 99 Asian market along with authentic chopsticks hehe. It was intended for personal consumption, but then mind as well share it with the chicas. Some of them never had ramen before, not surprising since there's only like a few in all of Medellin. I've been to a couple of them in Poblado, it was fairly decent. I had to teach the chicas how to use chopsticks, funny as hell, too bad they don't eat spicy because I like to spice up my soup.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2670244]You fall off the cliff and have to scramble and claw your way back up. The "too good to be true" tale

For your amusement, I will admit I have not completely ruled out seeing her again in the future. I got careless and she eyeballed the combination to my room safe when I didn't notice so really all I needed to do was change the combination. But I don't plan on seeing her anymore this trip, and she never officially made it onto my Top Ten list, which perhaps is not such an obvious sequitur for the future, considering I have been called gullible and too trusting by many of my fellow mongers. Keep On Keepin' On.[/QUOTE]Oste amigo, "keep on fishing! Cut the bait (*****)". You don't want to put yourself in that position again with a known thief! Just my 2 cents worth opinion. Luvchicas.

Throughout my trip I've had some interesting conversations with some of the girls I've seen that have given me some perspective / ideas about how Paisas see interpersonal and sexual relationships. There are definitely different tiers of relationships they have with men. My Spanish is good so a bunch of them opened up to me and talked about goals, working as prepagos and their relationships. Of course I'm also drawing on my own experience. Anyway, I had 4 types of relationships identified to me: novio / esposo, amigo de verdad, amigo, and cliente.

Starting with novio / esposo (boyfriend or husband), what really fascinated me was how they all told me the same thing no matter how liberal they seemed. They don't want their novio or esposo fucking with other women and are not cool with polyamory or open relationships. I'm in an open marriage with a Latin wife and none could completely wrap their head around that. Even the photoprepagos girl Cristal told me the same thing and that was after face fucking her, anal and her telling me some crazy kinky stories.

After that one Facebook girl I saw yesterday Ana, identified a category for me "amigos de verdad" or real friends. Shed been asking me about chicas I saw and my experiences when the term came up. These are guys that they fuck around with for fun when they are single. But no money changes hands. Probably mostly Colombians but you might be able to get there if they really like you.

Then the category a lot of us can get to is amigo or friend. I think it's common for Colombian men with resources. These are guys who help them out in some ways. It seems perfectly natural to many of them. I think can like spending time with the guy and are somewhat attracted to them. I tried to play some games with a girl I saw this time and last time Sara where I told her I wanted to see her as a friend with no money besides expenses changing hands. She's got a steady job so isn't supporting herself just by prepagoing. She agreed to see me this time but wanted something once we got to sex (which I thought might happen as we'd been playing some games over text). Was really into talking to me and left the sheets soaked after sex. I told her I'd wanted to test if she saw me as a client or friend after and she gave me a long explanation about why she saw me as an amigo and how she saw amigos. I think the roots of why it's easy to get GFE here is in that amigo category. Some paisas just don't seem to feel much stigma from benefitting from sex and can genuinely enjoy paid sex. Now that's not true for all of them. I've talked about the mental gymnastics some do not label themselves as prepagos. But as has been the experience of others they may want other forms of help if not cash. All this applies to barrio girls the most I'd guess. I'd guess the upperclass women have a different perspective. I also think the amigo category is were the most scams and abuses happen (though that is up to the individual chica).

Finally, there are clients. That's more straightforward p4 p. Some of these girls are great actresses, though. Ana from yesterday was quite candid about not actually especially getting off from sex with her clients and never developing feelings. But boy was she a good actress when we had sex. I'll leave it at that. How they treat you as a client will come down to professionalism and attitude on their part.

Greetings gents,

I'm travelling to Medellin tomorrow. Solo. And I was wondering if anyone would like to join forces to explore the nightlife and other offerings this wknd. I'm staying in El Poblado. I'm easy going an ready to mingle with the chicas.

Thanks fellas.

[QUOTE=ThatMurxGuy;2670476]Greetings gents,

I'm travelling to Medellin tomorrow. Solo. And I was wondering if anyone would like to join forces to explore the nightlife and other offerings this wknd. I'm staying in El Poblado. I'm easy going an ready to mingle with the chicas.

Thanks fellas.[/QUOTE]Check your PM.

You had to conduct an anthropological study to figure out providers pretend to be into us?

[QUOTE=Recondite;2670468]Throughout my trip I've had some interesting conversations with some of the girls I've seen that have given me some perspective / ideas about how Paisas see interpersonal and sexual relationships. There are definitely different tiers of relationships they have with men. My Spanish is good so a bunch of them opened up to me and talked about goals, working as prepagos and their relationships. Of course I'm also drawing on my own experience. Anyway, I had 4 types of relationships identified to me: novio / esposo, amigo de verdad, amigo, and cliente.

Starting with novio / esposo (boyfriend or husband), what really fascinated me was how they all told me the same thing no matter how liberal they seemed. They don't want their novio or esposo fucking with other women and are not cool with polyamory or open relationships. I'm in an open marriage with a Latin wife and none could completely wrap their head around that. Even the photoprepagos girl Cristal told me the same thing and that was after face fucking her, anal and her telling me some crazy kinky stories.

After that one Facebook girl I saw yesterday Ana, identified a category for me "amigos de verdad" or real friends. Shed been asking me about chicas I saw and my experiences when the term came up. These are guys that they fuck around with for fun when they are single. But no money changes hands. Probably mostly Colombians but you might be able to get there if they really like you..[/QUOTE]

Well it's not like I got funding, passed a review board or made a research plan. I do think it's interesting to try and understand why Medellin is famous for GFE and it's also worth comparing and contrasting with other mongering destinations. For me at least the answer is cultural.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2670498]You had to conduct an anthropological study to figure out providers pretend to be into us?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuvChicas;2670465]Oste amigo, "keep on fishing! Cut the bait (*****)". You don't want to put yourself in that position again with a known thief! Just my 2 cents worth opinion. Luvchicas.[/QUOTE]Perhaps I did not carry over enough info from the previous posts about Caribe. The main reason I had an ongoing affair with Caribe was, best sex ever. Delivered early on time for daily morning wood.

She is the only girl who ever got me to tap out in the middle of sex and at the same time she would have none of it. I was never into Domination and Submission before her but she knew how to get me to do things in bed I did not want to do, never did before, and by the end of the session be happy that I did it. Until the theft I was thinking about possibly putting her in at Number Ten or even expanding my list a couple of slots to include her, but not now.

Does it make sense? No. Am I demonstrating rationale thinking? Of course not. Whenever my little head does my thinking for my big head, I have to accept consequences such as these. I have no regrets. Already in her mind it's as if nothing bad ever happened.

As long as I have Catgirl at the Numero Uno position on my Top Ten List as my True Love, then I can handle "come what may" (Shakespeare) with the other chicas. I have no death wish, but if I die tomorrow I die a happy man, so true, with no regrets. Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2670468]Throughout my trip I've had some interesting conversations with some of the girls I've seen that have given me some perspective / ideas about how Paisas see interpersonal and sexual relationships. There are definitely different tiers of relationships they have with men.[/QUOTE]Four interesting categories that certainly had the ring of truth.

The Open Relationship with your Latina esposa caught my eye because that's what I have with my Numero Uno Novia Catgirl here, a pure Paisa. Unlike your experience, I have met many chicas here who expect their men and husbands to have affairs on the side. There is even a saying here that roughly translates to, "You can have a wife and girlfriends, just don't do it up front". That means do not fool around in ways that would cause embarrassment to your wife, her family and friends. Sort of, "Don't ask, don't tell". There is also another expression in Medellin that translates to, "When your wife cheats on you, she probably cheats with another woman. "

Both of these aphorisms I have experienced with Catgirl. The less than stellar days like the one I had recently with Caribe cause me to stop, pause and think, is it all worth it? I am really in love with Catgirl. We have known each other for over three years and been a couple for two years, and she is the sole reason I came to Medellin. The presumption is that she would be willing to settle down one-on-one with me and I am not sure that is the case. She seems to love her funky freedom as much as I do. Time will tell.

I agree your categories exit, but I don't compartmentalize the chicas as much. I see the chicas here on a continuum with the extremes at both ends. Pure hardcore Pay 4 Play at one end, and the real, regular loving chica on the other end. Amazingly, they all seem to love sex.

I have also never encountered a relationship culture close to the one here in Medellin anywhere else in the word, another notable point.

As you also pointed out, knowing Spanish makes a huge difference at whatever level you choose to engage these chicas.

I would have thought Tinder Gold was the best way to pre-arrange p4p before arriving but folks on here seem to be using Facebook for this. Is Facebook better app to use for this than Tinder? How do you know who is open to pay for play? Do you put something in your profile to signal that you're into p4p?

[QUOTE=JoeBandit;2669901]Staying at the San Peter through AirBnb. Nice building, great views. I ended up with a rear facing bedroom so the noise isn't too bad. I was curious about the bar with the loud music and ended up enjoying a few beers there instead of dealing with the noise.

I have yet to venture out to El centro, but I set up some contacts through Facebook and Seeking before I landed yesterday. I'm getting ranges of 150 K to 300 K on facbook and nothing below 400 K on Seeking. Most likely due to the fact that I don't speak any Spanish.

The first encounter of the day was with the 26-year-old with two kids on Facebook. She was very GFE, DFK, BBBJ. She would have done BBFS but I was hesitant and went con condom. She stayed for a little less than 2 hours but helped me with some Exito shopping on LA 70. Total damage 200 K including taxi. She asked for250 K when leaving but I showed her the WhatsApp message and she said okay..[/QUOTE]

That bangs? I interested in perhpas doing comuna 13 o guatape and then banging after. Pm me if you prefer.

OK guy, lost day recovering from exposer to the local white. Never, ever again. Only one thing for this Sargon from now on and it involves bicycle day. And that will only be on special occasions. Thank god for Xanax but I will never get that day back. Oh well, we soldier on.

I put out the call on Facebook that I needed a nurse and house cleaner and it took mear minutes before a lovely chocolate skinned honey offered to aid me in my time of need. She came over checked on me and immediately started clean this nasty mess of an apartment. She helped me get a rappi order for much need liquids and cleaning supplies. She washed and folded my laundry and made sure I needed for nothing. We shared a wonderful lunch and my Escobarian style hangover started to fade. So I suggested why don't we go in the Jacuzzi. She was excited for that. So let me set the scene a little here gentlemen. She is 26, flawless dark brown skin, firm perky breast with nicely proportional nipples, very firm everywhere. She starts with a professional quality lap dance. Very nice. Then on to some BBBJ, also nice. Then she grabs a condom and she continues that lap dance with me inside her. After a few minutes of that and her realizing this is going to take me a while we decide to enter the hot tub. And that's where the real magic happens, I didn't know you could do it in those positions, in the water, in the hot tub. We have achieved the promised land guys, gentlemen we have BBFS and we are loving every minute of it. After a wile of that I suggest we remove ourselves to the bedroom. She is about to lie back expecting the missionary but not with Sargon. I ate her like Kobiashi at the Nathan's 4th of July hot dog eating contest, yeah she had to tap out! On ward to standing doggie at the edge of the bed and Sargon let forth with more than a two tablespoons of the magic sauce, it was a real mess. Not long after she pulled up the covers and threw them in the washing machine.

We are still sitting here on the couch as I write this, I am considering meeting with some fellow board members to check out some strip clubs tonight. I haven't paid her yet but she is getting a very generous payment. For fucks sake she mopped the damn floors. I haven't had service like this in this hemisphere.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;2670563]That bangs? I interested in perhpas doing comuna 13 o guatape and then banging after. Pm me if you prefer.[/QUOTE]I'd be interested as well. Please PM me. Thank you in advance.

Hi gents,

Its a been a while I wrote a report and even its been 2 years since I traveled either.

Thanks to few members here whose TR are great help, especially the FB route is the only route I have taken in this trip.

Last week trip with my wingman. Landed in BOG for one week trip from YYZ at odd hours and ended up taking the first flight out to CTG instead of MDE as the airport is closed for maintenance.

CTG: Checked into Hampton inn by hilton in boca grande and crashed out after 20+ of travel (YYZ-SAL-BOG-CTG route). What a mess in this itinerary.

Woke up at noon, took claro sim for 40 mil (10 GB. Hardly used 2 GB though) went to creeps & Waffles for lunch, then walked to old town. Strolled around the streets. It was refreshing and relaxed.

Came back to hotel by taking indriver taxi, during drive asked him if he can hook up with chicas as I was only staying for one night before heading to MDE and did not lined up anyone in this city.

He called few and had one black chic called us and asked for 200 mil, I turned down after seeing her video call.

Then got hold of some local guy thru an expat connection and agreed to meet in old town in the night to party and fun, provided he brings some of his friends.

Thats the biggest mistake as he brought some fat / ugly chics and ended up taking us to clubs and drinking and dancing on our tab.

We finally got off the hook and came back to hotel and called it a night.

Next day morning strolled around the beach for any street action but nothing available in the beach side.

Well checked out the hotel and went to airport to board MDE flight.

MDE: Landed in the evening, took indriver cab direct to pablado (cale 10, near park lleras) restaurant to meet some one known from YYZ. Used Scotia took 900 mil (WS cash card where no FX. Close to google rate).

Had early dinner and pinged 1st FB chick Evelyn, she agreed to meet at the restaurant in one hour. Mean while we bought some drinks and condoms.

She came in with in 45 mins and asked for the taxi 30 mil, then I asked how much for the meetup. She asked 200 k. I said 150 k+taxi. She agreed. I paid the taxi and ordered indriver to our hotel.

I was skeptical about marriott / sheraton who allows chicas or not, but to my surprise, they did not asked anything other than checked her cedula. Well front desk rep can easily sense it what's going as FB-1 is already high (guess pink stuff).

My wingman took shower and went out for spa, then the session began. Decent DFK, BBBJ, CFS, some how I could not cum, hence half way took off the condom and finished bareback. She was hesitating but agreed. My wingman back into the room (we got the upgraded one having balcony with chairs and table) with full privacy. We chatted some time, had drinks. Smoked some weed. Asked my wingman for session which she quoted another 150 mil. But my buddy declined as she got high already (probably went to bathroom to take another drag).

At this time, we are kind of tired and let her go but she ordered some food using rappi (which costed around another 60 mil) as she feels hungry after weed I guess.

Mean while I got ready for second one but she was not interested but don't have choice as the food is getting late. Hence did the quicky again bareback.

Took the food and got into indriver and left. Total damage is 240 mil for 4 hours 2 pops.

Day 2: Great breakfast at hotel, went to communa 13 sight seeing and while returning pinged FB-2 whom I am talking before coming. She has cute face but put up excess weight which is kind of turnoff for me, but did not bothered to turn down when she showed up on time, no issues at front desk to my surprise. Paid for the taxi 20 mil. As usal had few beers, offered smirnoff to her. Then ready for action. My wingman sitting in the balcony while I started the session. Again bareback FS. Paid 100+taxi but no 2nd pop.

Day 3: pinged FB-3 tour guide (red hair). Sharp 11 am and very professional massage, DFK, BBBJ, CFS. I did not tried for bareback as I did not smelled good down there. Hence I rode her with cover. Spoke with her about some guatape trip the next day. Perfect english (we don't speak any spanish at all). Gave 150 (no taxi as she has car it seems) for one pop and massage.

Went to calle 10 again to meet my connection and hired a scooter. Oh boy that was a biggest mistake as we waited for almost two hours to get the agent bring the scooter and finish the paper work. By this time rain was pouring. Pretty much we were stuck at the restaurant amost 4 hours. Finally went back to hotel. Got freshed up and came back to meet one of the forum member. He was living there for a while and showed us the clubs, street action around the park lleras. Went to mexican join near by finished few drinks and drinner and parted ways after midnight.

Day-4: By this time we have realized afternoon would wash out due to rain, hence to make the most. We left early morning on scooter for sightseeing towards airport thru scenic route. Enjoyed few hours of riding the bike in the mountain area. Then headed back to central where we booked city walking tour (free) for 4 hours. By then FB-2 pinged to see me again and as I was not into musems, I told my buddy to continue the tour and left. FB-2 booked a spa (Cra. 35 #8 A 58) for couple session at 100 mil. This looks like a hotel / hostel but inside its kind love motel with rooftop and jacuzzy. Picked up the chic on scooter from her house (30 minutes away from central) and rode back to pablado spa. Took almost 2 hours round trip but enjoyed drive in the city having chic driving the bike and me hugging her from the back. (LOL).

Massage session is mediocre as single girl is doing one after another. After 30 minutes of massage, we were given jacuzzi for an hour. Got some drinks ordered and relaxed and had bareback session in the jacuzzi but it was not comfortable. Got her finish with BBBJ. Paid the bill which came around 180 mil total including drinks. Took her to the last night Mexican join near the park lleras. Had few drinks, wraps and parted away.

Total damage180 spa+60 food and drinks.

Day-5: went to gutape by bus (34 mil RT), climbed the rock. Had few beers after reaching the top. It was refreshing and relaxing sitting on the hill and watching the scenery. Got down and went into town. Had lunch and strolled around but could not get any action as its small town and most of them are shop vendors and tourists came for sightseeing. Retuned back to pablado by 7 pm, mean while send few message to other FB chicks. One caught my eye as she speaks perfect English and skinny. She came on time around 8 pm, but this time the front desk called and objected to pay guest fee. I am surprised as the last 4 days. No one objected. Went down lobby to see the matter and realized this chick dressed very bad with teared jeans and rugged top. Told the front desk to allow for this time and will take care next time onwards and played dumb. She don't have any breasts but good conversation in english and had good bareback session but I am not able cum but she seems to be tired with in 15 minutes of the session. In the end completed the session and sat in the balcony for drinks and chat. After 1 hours she is getting ready to leave but I asked we should go for another round but she rejected stating she is tired. By now she took two drags already and high. (I hate these chicks who are continuesouly taking pink shit and smoking weed and drinking as well). I was bit upset but did not pushed any more as I don't want any mess on the last night in MDE that too front desk already monitoring what I am doing. Gave her 100 mil and sent her out.

Day-6. Woke up late, tried hotel spa but did not get attracted to the chic, left and had breakfast and left to the airport to reach BOG. Straight went to Tequendama Suites as suggested in the forum. It was awesome space with two beds, hall, kitchen, nice top view of Bogota and close to sant fe area as well. Met our fellow ISG member at coolgreg and one local guy and hung out on the streets and spent some time near Plaza de Bolivar. By this time rain is pouring second time on that day. Got some drinks (rom Santa fe for 40 mil. Worth every penny) and came back to hotel. Saw some spinners going with guests. I am sure some of them might be in this group tried to contact another ISG member at Mr Enternational but he seems to be busy with chics already. After few drinks and chatting. We headed to Santa Fe for street action. Went to few clubs but did not liked much. Ended up picking two vennies (not my taste but) who quoted 2 hours 200 mil for all the 4 of us. By this time one of the local guy we met got high and getting annoyed around us. Got mood off and got rid of him and called the night.

Day-7, went to Monserrate and spent some quality time on the top of hill. Got down and had lunch and packed the bags and returned to airport but 3 hours early. Kicked yourself of not banging any one in Bogota and tried if there are any casa close to the airport but could not find that info. Sadly boarded the flight and returned back to YYZ.

Its been almost a week but Colombia is haunting to return back. I will go back again but this time will plan to take 2 bedroom apartment with kitchen so that cooking some spicy food with fresh meat and bringing multiple chics at a time to spend more time with us.

Left with 300 mil but did not exchanged back to CAD as I am pretty sure will return in few months.

Once again, sorry for the lengthy TR and not articulated like other members. Feel free to PM for the FB girls who are interested to pursue them. They were honest, punctual and did not budged on price. May be they are not super hot but I am ok as long as I get some kind GFE and not rushing.

Looking forward to meet few other members next time. Thanks to Parasitius and Coolgreg for the meetup and drinks.

[QUOTE=Shagmeister7777;2670575]I'd be interested as well. Please PM me. Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]I have used one though I only had session in the end as she quoted 250 mil for each person to gutape.

I gave 150 for the session but she only comes during the morning time.

Sent you PM.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2670160]This shit is doo doo. As soon as a mf get ready to head out to do some debauchery, it starts pouring down raining.[/QUOTE]Yes it was annoying, every day during the afternoon it was pouring for few hours. Well some how we managed by changing our plans accordingly.

BTW, we tried to contact you for meetup on 25th evening via Coolgreg but it looks like you already had a date and busy.

Hope to cross our path again soon.

Big applause to all of you who contributed in this forum.

[QUOTE=Sargon76;2670569]OK guy, lost day recovering from exposer to the local white. Never, ever again. Only one thing for this Sargon from now on and it involves bicycle day. And that will only be on special occasions. Thank god for Xanax but I will never get that day back. Oh well, we soldier on.

I put out the call on Facebook that I needed a nurse and house cleaner and it took mear minutes before a lovely chocolate skinned honey offered to aid me in my time of need. She came over checked on me and immediately started clean this nasty mess of an apartment. She helped me get a rappi order for much need liquids and cleaning supplies. She washed and folded my laundry and made sure I needed for nothing. We shared a wonderful lunch and my Escobarian style hangover started to fade. So I suggested why don't we go in the Jacuzzi. She was excited for that. So let me set the scene a little here gentlemen. She is 26, flawless dark brown skin, firm perky breast with nicely proportional nipples, very firm everywhere. She starts with a professional quality lap dance. Very nice. Then on to some BBBJ, also nice. Then she grabs a condom and she continues that lap dance with me inside her. After a few minutes of that and her realizing this is going to take me a while we decide to enter the hot tub. And that's where the real magic happens, I didn't know you could do it in those positions, in the water, in the hot tub. We have achieved the promised land guys, gentlemen we have BBFS and we are loving every minute of it. After a wile of that I suggest we remove ourselves to the bedroom. She is about to lie back expecting the missionary but not with Sargon. I ate her like Kobiashi at the Nathan's 4th of July hot dog eating contest, yeah she had to tap out! On ward to standing doggie at the edge of the bed and Sargon let forth with more than a two tablespoons of the magic sauce, it was a real mess. Not long after she pulled up the covers and threw them in the washing machine..[/QUOTE]How much extra would you be willing to pay for a 4-5 person hot tub at a rental? Just curious how much value you think a hot tub adds to a rental? Also, Jacuzzi is a brand of Hot Tub, like Ford is a brand of car. Not that it matters, just sharing info. I noticed many of the Units in Medellin have kinda those shitty round tubs which aren't very fun and the water doesn't get too hot.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2661812]I don't know what to call this, the ultimate irony? Caribe, not even on my Top Ten list (yet?) never asks me for money, not even cab fare. Usually I give her 40 mil when she leaves so she can take a taxi and get something to eat. She works night shifts in a Web cam studio. She is a paranoid schizophrenic maintained on risperidone. She gets jealous and even a little mad when she can't see me because I am with other girls, but she knows how I roll and so far she keeps coming back.

Well, probably one reason she comes knocking on my door every morning, is she does not have a bed. She had been crashing here at my hotel with me, or with a friend, or in an empty room at the studio.

She asked me to buy her a bed, after I don't know how many visits, nine? I don't know what kind of bed you can get for 300 mil COP ($75 USD), but that is what asked for, and that is what I gave her. She is so happy. Not giving a girl like that who is literally the best fuck in my lineup 300 mil pesos when she needs it would be slimy and too decadent for someone in my position. Yeah, I know what you're thinking. Too decadent for Asti?? You don't know me. No brainer.

Sexually, she is a thoroughbred. She loves sex. She chants it sometimes. She is the only girl I can remember who gets to me tap out during sex, but she will have none of it. She drags me back to bed until she has one of her earth quaking orgasms. Those boobs are natural. Her pussy is amazing and her ass is large and muscular. I made a small comment that she was quite a bit heavier than when I first met her and she lost 5 pounds in one week.

We are definitely not in Kansas anymore, Toto.[/QUOTE]The photo reminds me of someone. By any chance, does she have a tattoo with a skull + snake on her back?

So I was staying at laurels area near street 70. I pick a good spot where two cameras ahead of me and near my hotel. I saw one of the camera should be watched by the police I thought I will be safe. After I finish my cigar. Probably mixed with tiny bit of marijuana I didn't feel anything. I were still standing there using my phone for another few minutes. Then 2 motorcycle cops approach me. Asked me what country I am from. In a harsh way. I told them I thought it was candy. The cop talk to me harshly laughed. And The other guy seems serious as shit but he says we can solve it the other way. And he says cameras are watching. Lets go to another places. Then we dozen steps and I only have few 50 k bills and few 2 k bills. I gave them 1 50 k. And the police wanted 2 50 k. I gave them what they want and the cop leaves. Like. I was smelling real weed at the street 70. The busiest street at laurels. Nobody fucking care. Wtf. I later ask someone. They says it is legal. The cops just lied to me. What happen if I don't give them money? Will they harm me? Or lock me up for 24 hours Then release me?

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2670197]I've enjoyed my annual visits to Kyiv as much as my regular visits to Medellin and it's painful to see what's happening over there. Guys here are a couple very legitimate organizations taking donations and helping with the largest refugee crisis since World War II. Most guys on this website wouldn't even miss $50 or $100 and you can probably imagine how much help that can provide in eastern europe.

[URL]https://www.rescue.org/topic/ukraine-crisis[/URL]

[URL]https://www.icrc.org/en/donate/ukraine[/URL][/QUOTE]Some people are booking Airbnbs in Ukraine and DMing the owners saying they are not really coming just to get money into the peoples hands. Airbnb in return is waving all their fees so one hundred percent goes to the owner. Of course this is only helping people who own an apartment -.

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/people-are-booking-airbnbs-in-ukraine-as-a-way-to-send-aid-11646439367[/URL]

[URL]https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/03/04/booking-airbnbs-in-ukraine/[/URL]

I would like to help you but I'm not sure I have the necessary patience or knowledge. I am going to try. By now you probably agree it's better to know whether an activity is legal or not before you engage in it publicly. Whenever police or anyone unknown to you asks to move to a more secluded location, alarm bells and red flags should immediately go off. I hope that helps.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2670767]So I was staying at laurels area near street 70. I pick a good spot where two cameras ahead of me and near my hotel. I saw one of the camera should be watched by the police I thought I will be safe. After I finish my cigar. Probably mixed with tiny bit of marijuana I didn't feel anything. I were still standing there using my phone for another few minutes. Then 2 motorcycle cops approach me. Asked me what country I am from. In a harsh way. I told them I thought it was candy. The cop talk to me harshly laughed. And The other guy seems serious as shit but he says we can solve it the other way. And he says cameras are watching. Lets go to another places. Then we dozen steps and I only have few 50 k bills and few 2 k bills. I gave them 1 50 k. And the police wanted 2 50 k. I gave them what they want and the cop leaves. Like. I was smelling real weed at the street 70. The busiest street at laurels. Nobody fucking care. Wtf. I later ask someone. They says it is legal. The cops just lied to me. What happen if I don't give them money? Will they harm me? Or lock me up for 24 hours Then release me?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2670767]So I was staying at laurels area near street 70. I pick a good spot where two cameras ahead of me and near my hotel. I saw one of the camera should be watched by the police I thought I will be safe. After I finish my cigar. Probably mixed with tiny bit of marijuana I didn't feel anything. I were still standing there using my phone for another few minutes. Then 2 motorcycle cops approach me. Asked me what country I am from. In a harsh way. I told them I thought it was candy. The cop talk to me harshly laughed. And The other guy seems serious as shit but he says we can solve it the other way. And he says cameras are watching. Lets go to another places. Then we dozen steps and I only have few 50 k bills and few 2 k bills. I gave them 1 50 k. And the police wanted 2 50 k. I gave them what they want and the cop leaves. Like. I was smelling real weed at the street 70. The busiest street at laurels. Nobody fucking care. Wtf. I later ask someone. They says it is legal. The cops just lied to me. What happen if I don't give them money? Will they harm me? Or lock me up for 24 hours Then release me?[/QUOTE]It was a $25 lesson. But it doesn't seem that you learned from your mistake. Be smart and smoke in private. You assumed too much and were wrong.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2670767]So I was staying at laurels area near street 70. I pick a good spot where two cameras ahead of me and near my hotel. I saw one of the camera should be watched by the police I thought I will be safe. After I finish my cigar. Probably mixed with tiny bit of marijuana I didn't feel anything. I were still standing there using my phone for another few minutes. Then 2 motorcycle cops approach me. Asked me what country I am from. In a harsh way. I told them I thought it was candy. The cop talk to me harshly laughed. And The other guy seems serious as shit but he says we can solve it the other way. And he says cameras are watching. Lets go to another places. Then we dozen steps and I only have few 50 k bills and few 2 k bills. I gave them 1 50 k. And the police wanted 2 50 k. I gave them what they want and the cop leaves. Like. I was smelling real weed at the street 70. The busiest street at laurels. Nobody fucking care. Wtf. I later ask someone. They says it is legal. The cops just lied to me. What happen if I don't give them money? Will they harm me? Or lock me up for 24 hours Then release me?[/QUOTE]Weed for personal use is legal in Colombia. You can see and smell people smoking in public all the time especially in Medellin. What happened to you is a classic case of a corrupt cop intimidating a foreigner into paying a bribe. Next time it happens don't give them any money. Tell them "no hice nada ilegal, si quiere vamos a hablar con la fiscalia" and at that point they most likely would have let you go about your business.

Obviously they aren't going to really take you to the fiscalia as they themselves would be the ones getting in trouble for an attempted extortion. Also never go out of sight with them, if anything you want other people around to see what's happening and if the situation escalates you can tell other people what's happening "este oficial me quiere quitar plata y no hice nada ilegal, solo estaba fumando un cigarro y me estan molestando porque soy extranjero" at that point they would definitely back off.

Police corruption is a big problem in Colombia and the public is well aware of it. The riots last April were about police corruption. And have you ever seen graffiti that says "nos estan matando" that is a reference to police brutality

Hey fellas,

I'm going to Medellin for 3 weeks. Can anyone recommend me a hotel / Airbnb where.

- the location is central (Spanish is almost non-existent).

- no guest fee is necessary (max. 1 per day is OK for me).

- an ID-check for guests is mandatory (due to safety-reasons).

- having a balcony on which smoking weed isn't a problem.

It seems that the "famous" Hotel M doesn't have balconies. And in general I would prefer "normal" hotels.

Would love to hear from you guys.

Benzeru.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2670662]How much extra would you be willing to pay for a 4-5 person hot tub at a rental? Just curious how much value you think a hot tub adds to a rental? Also, Jacuzzi is a brand of Hot Tub, like Ford is a brand of car. Not that it matters, just sharing info. I noticed many of the Units in Medellin have kinda those shitty round tubs which aren't very fun and the water doesn't get too hot.[/QUOTE]When you say "jacuzzi" to a Colombian they know what you mean. Those shitty round tubs are called garden tubs. The water doesn't get too hot because many places use inline, on demand water heaters. Many of the water heaters are not properly adjusted. There are 2 adjustments, 1 controls the flow rate through the heater, the other controls the temperature. Usually it's adjusted to provide warm water, not hot water.

Adjusting those water heaters is a bit of an art. If you turn the temperature up too much it overheats and shuts off to prevent starting a fire. If you increase the flow, it reduces the temperature.

If you manage to get the water nice and hot, most girls won't go in because it's too hot for them. They're used to lukewarm water.

I enjoy a jacuzzi, but it's not a deal breaker when I'm looking for an apartment. I first narrow down my price range, usually $39-$85 a night, then decide which place provides better value for me, depending on my plans for that trip.

[QUOTE=Benzeru;2670850]
- the location is central (Spanish is almost non-existent).
- no guest fee is necessary (max. 1 per day is OK for me).
- an ID-check for guests is mandatory (due to safety-reasons).
- having a balcony on which smoking weed isn't a problem.
.[/QUOTE]Hotel Nutibara. Ticks all your boxex. But you must ask for a room on floor 10 with a terraza. Only floor 10 has rooms with external / outdoor areas.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2670832]Weed for personal use is legal in Colombia. You can see and smell people smoking in public all the time especially in Medellin. What happened to you is a classic case of a corrupt cop intimidating a foreigner into paying a bribe. Next time it happens don't give them any money. Tell them "no hice nada ilegal, si quiere vamos a hablar con la fiscalia" and at that point they most likely would have let you go about your business.

Obviously they aren't going to really take you to the fiscalia as they themselves would be the ones getting in trouble for an attempted extortion. Also never go out of sight with them, if anything you want other people around to see what's happening and if the situation escalates you can tell other people what's happening "este oficial me quiere quitar plata y no hice nada ilegal, solo estaba fumando un cigarro y me estan molestando porque soy extranjero" at that point they would definitely back off.

Police corruption is a big problem in Colombia and the public is well aware of it. The riots last April were about police corruption. And have you ever seen graffiti that says "nos estan matando" that is a reference to police brutality[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Knowledge;2670813]I would like to help you but I'm not sure I have the necessary patience or knowledge. I am going to try. By now you probably agree it's better to know whether an activity is legal or not before you engage in it publicly. Whenever police or anyone unknown to you asks to move to a more secluded location, alarm bells and red flags should immediately go off. I hope that helps.[/QUOTE]Gabacho,

Thank you. At least a bit of peace in my mind now knowing they are just want the money. And they wouldn't kill for 100 usd.

Knowledge. Thank you, I think I have a pretty good dance of letting them get into a big trouble. But I think I will be back in the laurels neighborhood. I am not sure if I should report them and lose their job. What if they go revenge on me and kill me or beat my ass.

[QUOTE=MadMax9336;2670638]Hi gents,

Its a been a while I wrote a report and even its been 2 years since I traveled either.

Thanks to few members here whose TR are great help, especially the FB route is the only route I have taken in this trip.

Last week trip with my wingman. Landed in BOG for one week trip from YYZ at odd hours and ended up taking the first flight out to CTG instead of MDE as the airport is closed for maintenance.

CTG: Checked into Hampton inn by hilton in boca grande and crashed out after 20+ of travel (YYZ-SAL-BOG-CTG route). What a mess in this itinerary.

Woke up at noon, took claro sim for 40 mil (10 GB. Hardly used 2 GB though) went to creeps & Waffles for lunch, then walked to old town. Strolled around the streets. It was refreshing and relaxed.

Came back to hotel by taking indriver taxi, during drive asked him if he can hook up with chicas as I was only staying for one night before heading to MDE and did not lined up anyone in this city.

He called few and had one black chic called us and asked for 200 mil, I turned down after seeing her video call.

Then got hold of some local guy thru an expat connection and agreed to meet in old town in the night to party and fun, provided he brings some of his friends.

Thats the biggest mistake as he brought some fat / ugly chics and ended up taking us to clubs and drinking and dancing on our tab.

We finally got off the hook and came back to hotel and called it a night.

Next day morning strolled around the beach for any street action but nothing available in the beach side.

Well checked out the hotel and went to airport to board MDE flight.

MDE: Landed in the evening, took indriver cab direct to pablado (cale 10, near park lleras) restaurant to meet some one known from YYZ. Used Scotia took 900 mil (WS cash card where no FX. Close to google rate).

Had early dinner and pinged 1st FB chick Evelyn, she agreed to meet at the restaurant in one hour. Mean while we bought some drinks and condoms.

She came in with in 45 mins and asked for the taxi 30 mil, then I asked how much for the meetup. She asked 200 k. I said 150 k+taxi. She agreed. I paid the taxi and ordered indriver to our hotel.

I was skeptical about marriott / sheraton who allows chicas or not, but to my surprise, they did not asked anything other than checked her cedula. Well front desk rep can easily sense it what's going as FB-1 is already high (guess pink stuff).

My wingman took shower and went out for spa, then the session began. Decent DFK, BBBJ, CFS, some how I could not cum, hence half way took off the condom and finished bareback. She was hesitating but agreed. My wingman back into the room (we got the upgraded one having balcony with chairs and table) with full privacy. We chatted some time, had drinks. Smoked some weed. Asked my wingman for session which she quoted another 150 mil. But my buddy declined as she got high already (probably went to bathroom to take another drag).

At this time, we are kind of tired and let her go but she ordered some food using rappi (which costed around another 60 mil) as she feels hungry after weed I guess.

Mean while I got ready for second one but she was not interested but don't have choice as the food is getting late. Hence did the quicky again bareback.

Took the food and got into indriver and left. Total damage is 240 mil for 4 hours 2 pops.

Day 2: Great breakfast at hotel, went to communa 13 sight seeing and while returning pinged FB-2 whom I am talking before coming. She has cute face but put up excess weight which is kind of turnoff for me, but did not bothered to turn down when she showed up on time, no issues at front desk to my surprise. Paid for the taxi 20 mil. As usal had few beers, offered smirnoff to her. Then ready for action. My wingman sitting in the balcony while I started the session. Again bareback FS. Paid 100+taxi but no 2nd pop.

Day 3: pinged FB-3 tour guide (red hair). Sharp 11 am and very professional massage, DFK, BBBJ, CFS. I did not tried for bareback as I did not smelled good down there. Hence I rode her with cover. Spoke with her about some guatape trip the next day. Perfect english (we don't speak any spanish at all). Gave 150 (no taxi as she has car it seems) for one pop and massage.

Went to calle 10 again to meet my connection and hired a scooter. Oh boy that was a biggest mistake as we waited for almost two hours to get the agent bring the scooter and finish the paper work. By this time rain was pouring. Pretty much we were stuck at the restaurant amost 4 hours. Finally went back to hotel. Got freshed up and came back to meet one of the forum member. He was living there for a while and showed us the clubs, street action around the park lleras. Went to mexican join near by finished few drinks and drinner and parted ways after midnight.

Day-4: By this time we have realized afternoon would wash out due to rain, hence to make the most. We left early morning on scooter for sightseeing towards airport thru scenic route. Enjoyed few hours of riding the bike in the mountain area. Then headed back to central where we booked city walking tour (free) for 4 hours. By then FB-2 pinged to see me again and as I was not into musems, I told my buddy to continue the tour and left. FB-2 booked a spa (Cra. 35 #8 A 58) for couple session at 100 mil. This looks like a hotel / hostel but inside its kind love motel with rooftop and jacuzzy. Picked up the chic on scooter from her house (30 minutes away from central) and rode back to pablado spa. Took almost 2 hours round trip but enjoyed drive in the city having chic driving the bike and me hugging her from the back. (LOL).

Massage session is mediocre as single girl is doing one after another. After 30 minutes of massage, we were given jacuzzi for an hour. Got some drinks ordered and relaxed and had bareback session in the jacuzzi but it was not comfortable. Got her finish with BBBJ. Paid the bill which came around 180 mil total including drinks. Took her to the last night Mexican join near the park lleras. Had few drinks, wraps and parted away.

Total damage180 spa+60 food and drinks.

Day-5: went to gutape by bus (34 mil RT), climbed the rock. Had few beers after reaching the top. It was refreshing and relaxing sitting on the hill and watching the scenery. Got down and went into town. Had lunch and strolled around but could not get any action as its small town and most of them are shop vendors and tourists came for sightseeing. Retuned back to pablado by 7 pm, mean while send few message to other FB chicks. One caught my eye as she speaks perfect English and skinny. She came on time around 8 pm, but this time the front desk called and objected to pay guest fee. I am surprised as the last 4 days. No one objected. Went down lobby to see the matter and realized this chick dressed very bad with teared jeans and rugged top. Told the front desk to allow for this time and will take care next time onwards and played dumb. She don't have any breasts but good conversation in english and had good bareback session but I am not able cum but she seems to be tired with in 15 minutes of the session. In the end completed the session and sat in the balcony for drinks and chat. After 1 hours she is getting ready to leave but I asked we should go for another round but she rejected stating she is tired. By now she took two drags already and high. (I hate these chicks who are continuesouly taking pink shit and smoking weed and drinking as well). I was bit upset but did not pushed any more as I don't want any mess on the last night in MDE that too front desk already monitoring what I am doing. Gave her 100 mil and sent her out.

Day-6. Woke up late, tried hotel spa but did not get attracted to the chic, left and had breakfast and left to the airport to reach BOG. Straight went to Tequendama Suites as suggested in the forum. It was awesome space with two beds, hall, kitchen, nice top view of Bogota and close to sant fe area as well. Met our fellow ISG member at coolgreg and one local guy and hung out on the streets and spent some time near Plaza de Bolivar. By this time rain is pouring second time on that day. Got some drinks (rom Santa fe for 40 mil. Worth every penny) and came back to hotel. Saw some spinners going with guests. I am sure some of them might be in this group tried to contact another ISG member at Mr Enternational but he seems to be busy with chics already. After few drinks and chatting. We headed to Santa Fe for street action. Went to few clubs but did not liked much. Ended up picking two vennies (not my taste but) who quoted 2 hours 200 mil for all the 4 of us. By this time one of the local guy we met got high and getting annoyed around us. Got mood off and got rid of him and called the night.

Day-7, went to Monserrate and spent some quality time on the top of hill. Got down and had lunch and packed the bags and returned to airport but 3 hours early. Kicked yourself of not banging any one in Bogota and tried if there are any casa close to the airport but could not find that info. Sadly boarded the flight and returned back to YYZ.

Its been almost a week but Colombia is haunting to return back. I will go back again but this time will plan to take 2 bedroom apartment with kitchen so that cooking some spicy food with fresh meat and bringing multiple chics at a time to spend more time with us.

Left with 300 mil but did not exchanged back to CAD as I am pretty sure will return in few months.

Once again, sorry for the lengthy TR and not articulated like other members. Feel free to PM for the FB girls who are interested to pursue them. They were honest, punctual and did not budged on price. May be they are not super hot but I am ok as long as I get some kind GFE and not rushing.

Looking forward to meet few other members next time. Thanks to Parasitius and Coolgreg for the meetup and drinks.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the run down of your trip. It's interesting to note that bareback sex was openly available for the girls you met up with. I have some girls lined up for my trip in May. Initially they have said no to bareback, but I am hoping that they feel comfortable after the first meet to do bareback. I'll have up to date test results as well for additional comfort.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2670874]Hotel Nutibara. Ticks all your boxex. But you must ask for a room on floor 10 with a terraza. Only floor 10 has rooms with external / outdoor areas.[/QUOTE]But you can smoke in any of the rooms and simply open the windows, that's what my chicas do and nooooo problemas. Good natural ventilation.

The place you mentioned that has no balconies is in a very different neighborhood than the Nutibara. What did you mean by "the location is central?

[QUOTE=Benzeru;2670850]Hey fellas,

I'm going to Medellin for 3 weeks. Can anyone recommend me a hotel / Airbnb where.

- the location is central (Spanish is almost non-existent).

- no guest fee is necessary (max. 1 per day is OK for me).

- an ID-check for guests is mandatory (due to safety-reasons).

- having a balcony on which smoking weed isn't a problem.

It seems that the "famous" Hotel M doesn't have balconies. And in general I would prefer "normal" hotels.

Would love to hear from you guys.

Benzeru.[/QUOTE]

Heading home tomorrow. 16 bangs in 6 days, that includes a couple of trios. Not bad for an old man of 56. Probably need to cut back to two per day next time. Saw my two Gfs. One of the GFs likes trios with her friend on occasion, so we alternate between seeing alone and having the trio. The two of them just left. Since I was leaving, they gave me a nice massage and then a double BBBJ followed by sex with each and cum on both of them. Saw a couple of girls I've seen before, but only two of them are part-time working girls. I have been seeing more "regular" girls of late than working girls. I had meant to see a few new working girls this time, but ran out of time and only saw one. But I did get a few cousins of my non-pro girls, which was fun. My best stat is that I went 100% BBFS. Not one with condom. Of course I'm not banging centro girls, casa girls, or Lleras girls. You can never eliminate a risk, but I've been super fortunate so far in 16 years.

Really hardly left the apartment. The weather has not been particularly good. When I do leave, it's usually to get a few things and some money. I stay near La 70 and there is a supermarket close. The apartment where I stay has two floors. One with the two bedrooms, kitchen, and the salon and the other with the sun terraza and the covered jacuzzi. I pass a lot of time in the jacuzzi, whether I'm with a chica or not. In between chicas, I always have a little work to do or I read a book. Haven't been out with any gringos in quite a while and I kind of like it that way.

Overall, good trip. Met my needs. A week is about right for me. I love to travel, but I also love to go home. Long trips are just not for me, unless I go somewhere that has a lot of things to see (e. G. , Rome). Back in 3 weeks.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2670887]Thanks for the run down of your trip. It's interesting to note that bareback sex was openly available for the girls you met up with. I have some girls lined up for my trip in May. Initially they have said no to bareback, but I am hoping that they feel comfortable after the first meet to do bareback. I'll have up to date test results as well for additional comfort.[/QUOTE]In my experience it's usually better to enquire about that in person face to face with the chica. Of course not every single girl will be willing but you will be surprised how many are.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2670933]In my experience it's usually better to enquire about that in person face to face with the chica. Of course not every single girl will be willing but you will be surprised how many are.[/QUOTE]Thanks Gabacho, that's good to know. It sounds like they'll make a decision based on whether they're comfortable with you or not. It bodes well as I prefer without.

[QUOTE=MadMax9336;2670638]Hi gents,

Its a been a while I wrote a report and even its been 2 years since I traveled either.

Thanks to few members here whose TR are great help, especially the FB route is the only route I have taken in this trip.

Last week trip with my wingman. Landed in BOG for one week trip from YYZ at odd hours and ended up taking the first flight out to CTG instead of MDE as the airport is closed for maintenance.

CTG: Checked into Hampton inn by hilton in boca grande and crashed out after 20+ of travel (YYZ-SAL-BOG-CTG route). What a mess in this itinerary..[/QUOTE]PM me some whatsapp numbers or facebook names if you have them.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2670932]Heading home tomorrow. 16 bangs in 6 days, that includes a couple of trios.

My best stat is that I went 100% BBFS. Not one with condom. Of course I'm not banging centro girls, casa girls, or Lleras girls. You can never eliminate a risk, but I've been super fortunate so far in 16 years.
[/QUOTE]I don't know if you've won the lottery with those stat's.

You've been awfully lucky for 16 years.

If you think you have a reduced chance of catching an STD because your not banging Centro, Casa, or Lleras girls I don't know about that.

If your banging all those girls without a condom, there's a high probability they are banging lots of other guys without a condom as well.

Most Casa girls won't go without a condom, yet many of the Lleras and Centro girls will if the price is right.

Again, you've been very lucky, but once you catch an STD, you might look at things a little differently, at least I have, and I know others on this board have as well.

And don't get me wrong, the difference is like night and day when the Jimmy Hat comes off.

[QUOTE=Benzeru;2670850]Hey fellas,

I'm going to Medellin for 3 weeks. Can anyone recommend me a hotel / Airbnb where.

- the location is central (Spanish is almost non-existent).

- no guest fee is necessary (max. 1 per day is OK for me).

- an ID-check for guests is mandatory (due to safety-reasons).

- having a balcony on which smoking weed isn't a problem.

It seems that the "famous" Hotel M doesn't have balconies. And in general I would prefer "normal" hotels..[/QUOTE]Actually 3 of the room at the "famous" Hotel M have balconies. Room #'s 1, 3, & 6.

Man. First time to casa. I have to say the girls attitude are no less than the Facebook girl. Maybe it is because I booked the 45 minutes section but we all know we only need 30 mind. Brothers. She blow me 5 minutes straight. Because my mood were still down due to the police robbery incident on Friday night. I couldn't focus on enjoying sex. I fuck in couple session for about 15 minutes and I was tired and became soft. And Then I told her rest couple minutes. Then She blow me again. And I cum in her mouth. She said no condom got to give her tip. I tip her for BBBJ. She thought I was going to fuck her without condom. Hell no. The centro strip club is the best. Better than la isla. Altho many girls at centro strip clubs has belly. They are still hot. And more importantly, they know how to dance. And the atmosphere just better. No cover fee. Beers are reasonable price. 10 k. 8 k. Not 30 k at la Isla. La Isla you are not close to the stage. And girls came over every minutes. Your wallet will empty in no time. I might going back to centro tomorrow. I need centro brothers. Now I realize people can easily tells I am gringo even with my caps on. Damn.

It depends on the girl, how educated she is, and how much she likes you. I've never asked for BBFS in my life with prepagos / casually and am neutral to slightly iffy about it and I've still gotten it from three different chicas this year. I've definitely never paid a peso extra for it or any other extra in Medellin for that matter. I just go with the flow and bring up my likes for sex during convo. The ones who did BBFS with me either waved away the condoms or jumped on me before I had a chance to say anything. From my small but growing samples size, I've found that the young moms tend to do it more readily than the girls without kids. Seems like waving money around can help too but I can't speak to that personally.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2670940]Thanks Gabacho, that's good to know. It sounds like they'll make a decision based on whether they're comfortable with you or not. It bodes well as I prefer without.[/QUOTE]

Hey!

First of all thanks for the comments.

With "location is central" I mean there are plenty of restaurants and I can go out almost anytime without a reasonable fear of getting robbed.

So I think El Poblado or Laureles are the areas to go.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2670917]The place you mentioned that has no balconies is in a very different neighborhood than the Nutibara. What did you mean by "the location is central?[/QUOTE]I just read hotel-reviews and the neighborhood auf the Nutibara doesn't seem that friendly for a gringo without Spanish skills.

Does anyone have other recommendations?

Any experiences with smoking up in the Hotel M?

Thanks!

Benzeru.

I see it a little differently. If you have to stick your hand in the campfire to realize you will get burned, you are highly likely to get burned. If you can make risk / reward judgments on a theoretical level, you are more likely to have more reward than risk.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2670997]I don't know if you've won the lottery with those stat's.

You've been awfully lucky for 16 years.

If you think you have a reduced chance of catching an STD because your not banging Centro, Casa, or Lleras girls I don't know about that.

If your banging all those girls without a condom, there's a high probability they are banging lots of other guys without a condom as well.

Most Casa girls won't go without a condom, yet many of the Lleras and Centro girls will if the price is right.

Again, you've been very lucky, but once you catch an STD, you might look at things a little differently, at least I have, and I know others on this board have as well.

And don't get me wrong, the difference is like night and day when the Jimmy Hat comes off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2670662]How much extra would you be willing to pay for a 4-5 person hot tub at a rental? Just curious how much value you think a hot tub adds to a rental? Also, Jacuzzi is a brand of Hot Tub, like Ford is a brand of car. Not that it matters, just sharing info. I noticed many of the Units in Medellin have kinda those shitty round tubs which aren't very fun and the water doesn't get too hot.[/QUOTE]I found that every girl that came to the apartment wanted to go in the hot tub, many would suggest it themselves but all seemed very happy when I suggested it. The hot tub big enough for 3 (maybe 4, I am a large dude) with a depth of about 3 feet. I enjoyed it a lot YMMV. The water got scolding hot and I almost got burnt once not being careful. The image attached is from the rental website and shows the hot tub in the apartment. I really enjoyed the apartment, I had pretty good budget for this trip so $60 per day was very worthwhile.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2671022]Man. First time to casa. I have to say the girls attitude are no less than the Facebook girl. Maybe it is because I booked the 45 minutes section but we all know we only need 30 mind. Brothers. She blow me 5 minutes straight. Because my mood were still down due to the police robbery incident on Friday night. I couldn't focus on enjoying sex. I fuck in couple session for about 15 minutes and I was tired and became soft. And Then I told her rest couple minutes. Then She blow me again. And I cum in her mouth. She said no condom got to give her tip. I tip her for BBBJ. She thought I was going to fuck her without condom. Hell no. The centro strip club is the best. Better than la isla. Altho many girls at centro strip clubs has belly. They are still hot. And more importantly, they know how to dance. And the atmosphere just better. No cover fee. Beers are reasonable price. 10 k. 8 k. Not 30 k at la Isla. La Isla you are not close to the stage. And girls came over every minutes. Your wallet will empty in no time. I might going back to centro tomorrow. I need centro brothers. Now I realize people can easily tells I am gringo even with my caps on. Damn.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, Drifts. I'm heading to MDE this week, determined to give La Isla the best shot I can. But I am curious. What times did you hit up the Centro strip clubs? I've never ventured to Centro. Many of the posts here scare me. LOL. And I do not scare easy. (I often roam the streets in zona norte in Tijuana at 3 AM.) I believe it's just fear of the unknown. I'm clearly gringo. I travel alone. I am a big guy, which is to say a fat ass. I think many mistake my size for muscle. Hahaha So I know that plays in my favor. I'm also very alert. But my biggest concern is leaving a centro bar in the wee hours after drinking.

In your opinion, safe?

[QUOTE=Recondite;2671191]It depends on the girl, how educated she is, and how much she likes you. I've never asked for BBFS in my life with prepagos / casually and am neutral to slightly iffy about it and I've still gotten it from three different chicas this year. I've definitely never paid a peso extra for it or any other extra in Medellin for that matter. I just go with the flow and bring up my likes for sex during convo. The ones who did BBFS with me either waved away the condoms or jumped on me before I had a chance to say anything. From my small but growing samples size, I've found that the young moms tend to do it more readily than the girls without kids. Seems like waving money around can help too but I can't speak to that personally.[/QUOTE]I think you're right Recondite on your initial comments on educated and liking the guy. All the girls I have has BBFS in South America were only happy to offer it after meeting me, which to be fair to them is understandable. Obviously that is not to say that you can judge 100% that someone is safe or not. But a judgement of character counts for a lot, for both parties, most of the time. Generally speaking, I am cautious about BBFS given the risks, but most cases I've had it with escorts, we've both provided certification upfront. This obviously won't be the case in Colombia with these girls but I'll see how it goes when I am out there. Just reading and commenting on the Bogotá board, it does seem to be more widely available than I first thought.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2671278]Thanks for the info, Drifts. I'm heading to MDE this week, determined to give La Isla the best shot I can. But I am curious. What times did you hit up the Centro strip clubs? I've never ventured to Centro. Many of the posts here scare me. LOL. And I do not scare easy. (I often roam the streets in zona norte in Tijuana at 3 AM.) I believe it's just fear of the unknown. I'm clearly gringo. I travel alone. I am a big guy, which is to say a fat ass. I think many mistake my size for muscle. Hahaha So I know that plays in my favor. I'm also very alert. But my biggest concern is leaving a centro bar in the wee hours after drinking.

In your opinion, safe?[/QUOTE]If you're going to one of the 3 most popular strip clubs in El Centro, you should have no difficulty getting a taxi right outside. That would be Barra Ejecutiva, Conejitas and Grill Nuevo.

I've left all 3 late at night with no problems. However, I don't drink much, especially in El Centro at night.

[QUOTE=Benzeru;2671198]Hey!
With "location is central" I mean there are plenty of restaurants and I can go out almost anytime without a reasonable fear of getting robbed.

So I think El Poblado or Laureles are the areas to go.
[/QUOTE]When you wrote "central", I took that to mean central. Poblado is in the south, and Laureles is west. I now understand that you meant centre of tourism.

So, there are a 101 hotels wkith balconies where yiou can bring a chica a day. Just look on [URL]booking.com[/URL] or whatever, and book for 2 pax.

Hotel M. One room has a balcony. KI don't remember the number. But otherwise, you are welcome to smoke out by the pool. It's a converted house, so all is enclosed and safe.

This forum educated me on both the basic and finer points of mongering in Medellin. I passed it on a few newbies over the past year and it has been a positive experience.

There are a couple of disturbing trends I am hearing recently. Some newbies not RTFFing / wanting everything handed to them on a platter including negotiating the pricing, finding the right fb girls. This level of hand holding is fucking lazy. Do your homework please.

On the other hand, there are veteran mongers pawning off bad chicas, promising finca visits, etc. When the newbies fly in to Rio negro, veterans do not have time or inclination to help. If you cannot show the guy around the city, just say so. Do not jerk him around.

[QUOTE=Benzeru;2671198]Hey!

.....With "location is central" I mean there are plenty of restaurants and I can go out almost anytime without a reasonable fear of getting robbed.

So I think El Poblado or Laureles are the areas to go.

Does anyone have other recommendations?

Any experiences with smoking up in the Hotel M?.[/QUOTE]Very well, I'll share my opinions. I wouldn't stay in Poblado for a number of reasons. It will cost you more. There are many restaurants around there and they are more expensive as well.

The Mansion is a popular option for non Spanish speakers that don't have the adventurous spirit. The rooms are $100 a night (or more) and most are adequate but not much more than that. The same rooms at other hotels would run you $30 a night. Of course they have a pool with cold water and a bar and a lot of regular prepagos that hang. I guess that is what you are paying for.

Admittedly there are more English speaking staff in that area. But the Lleras girls want more money because they know that is the tourist area for guys who don't know better. Maybe you think you can avoid that problem by importing your talent through FaceBook. But those girls live in outlying areas (Bello for example) and they will be taking a cab and they will be late because they never consider how long the trip will take. They will want more too because they know you're staying in Poblado so in their mind you must be rich. Poblado has many steep hills so walking around a lot can be exhausting.

Laureles on the other hand has tons of hotels and apartments. They will be a lot less expensive. The Parque Laureles area (Primero Parque and Segundo Parque) are loaded with nice restaurants that will cost you 25-40% less than the equivalent restaurants in Poblado. There are also tons of cheap eating places in Laureles. The girls from FaceBook or Photoprepagos or Mileroticos will be arriving faster and less expensively from those same outlying areas. They won't expect to charge you the gringo premium because you aren't staying in Poblado. Although the mere fact that you are a gringo will mean they will expect some premium over the locals. Laureles is flat, so walking around is easy-peasy. There is a convenient Metro station on 'La Sententa' near the stadium.

If there is a drawback to Laureles. I would say that there are less English speaking staffers at the hotels and restaurants but there are more and more English speakers staying in Laureles these days so that is changing all the time.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2671278]Thanks for the info, Drifts. I'm heading to MDE this week, determined to give La Isla the best shot I can. But I am curious. What times did you hit up the Centro strip clubs? I've never ventured to Centro. Many of the posts here scare me. LOL. And I do not scare easy. (I often roam the streets in zona norte in Tijuana at 3 AM.) I believe it's just fear of the unknown. I'm clearly gringo. I travel alone. I am a big guy, which is to say a fat ass. I think many mistake my size for muscle. Hahaha So I know that plays in my favor. I'm also very alert. But my biggest concern is leaving a centro bar in the wee hours after drinking.

In your opinion, safe?[/QUOTE]I don't really know if it is safe. Man. Because I don't know if police do their job. I was in safest neighborhood, laurels. Under the security camera. And the polices tell me to bribe them outside of the camera range. So. Maybe centro will be safer with so many witnesses. But I don't really know. Pm me for more.

The Gringo Inn was hit by armed robbers. I assume they since upgraded their security.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2671315]When you wrote "central", I took that to mean central. Poblado is in the south, and Laureles is west. I now understand that you meant centre of tourism.

So, there are a 101 hotels wkith balconies where yiou can bring a chica a day. Just look on [URL]booking.com[/URL] or whatever, and book for 2 pax.

Hotel M. One room has a balcony. KI don't remember the number. But otherwise, you are welcome to smoke out by the pool. It's a converted house, so all is enclosed and safe.[/QUOTE]

Ask the door guy to flag down a taxi for you then get in it as soon as you leave the club. You will be OK. There are usually taxis waiting outside the places once the other business shut down just after 7 PM or so.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2671278]Thanks for the info, Drifts. I'm heading to MDE this week, determined to give La Isla the best shot I can. But I am curious. What times did you hit up the Centro strip clubs? I've never ventured to Centro. Many of the posts here scare me. LOL. And I do not scare easy. (I often roam the streets in zona norte in Tijuana at 3 AM.) I believe it's just fear of the unknown. I'm clearly gringo. I travel alone. I am a big guy, which is to say a fat ass. I think many mistake my size for muscle. Hahaha So I know that plays in my favor. I'm also very alert. But my biggest concern is leaving a centro bar in the wee hours after drinking.

In your opinion, safe?[/QUOTE]

I can see how jacuzzis would be fun as long as you aren't the one who has to clean it.

[QUOTE=Sargon76;2671265]I found that every girl that came to the apartment wanted to go in the hot tub, many would suggest it themselves but all seemed very happy when I suggested it. The hot tub big enough for 3 (maybe 4, I am a large dude) with a depth of about 3 feet. I enjoyed it a lot YMMV. The water got scolding hot and I almost got burnt once not being careful. The image attached is from the rental website and shows the hot tub in the apartment. I really enjoyed the apartment, I had pretty good budget for this trip so $60 per day was very worthwhile.[/QUOTE]

Has anyone stayed at Borbon Suites? I found a nice apartment on airbnb and the host says that guests are permitted. Just wondering if anyone has any experience of this place? The price is very cheap compared to what is offered so it is almost in the 'too good to be true' category. Reviews seem good.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2671278]Thanks for the info, Drifts. I'm heading to MDE this week, determined to give La Isla the best shot I can. But I am curious. What times did you hit up the Centro strip clubs? I've never ventured to Centro. Many of the posts here scare me. LOL. And I do not scare easy. (I often roam the streets in zona norte in Tijuana at 3 AM.) I believe it's just fear of the unknown. I'm clearly gringo. I travel alone. I am a big guy, which is to say a fat ass. I think many mistake my size for muscle. Hahaha So I know that plays in my favor. I'm also very alert. But my biggest concern is leaving a centro bar in the wee hours after drinking.

In your opinion, safe?[/QUOTE]The average Colombian male is much smaller than the average American male. And even in groups that stalk, those who look for prey in the wee hours of El Centro look for the weaker, smaller types. With that said, if you are staggering drunk, that can you get you rolled in heartbeat.

Don't venture out late at night with any obvious bulges in your pockets, especially a visible cell phone. You will probably not get injured or killed over a cell phone but they can snatch and grab, and run away before you know what happened.

A lot of it is vibe, attitude and awareness.

Let me share an unbelievable example. My Numero Uno Catgirl and her novia were spending the night with me at The Nutti, a landmark hotel in the heart of El Centro. The time was 2:30 AM, I was getting a double blowjob, and all three of us were pretty fuckin' high on the pink shit. Without warning, Cricket (her novia) bolts up and starts speaking to Catgirl that they need to go deliver some food to her cousin who is a homeless person on the street. Both of these girls are well under five feet tall, and under 100 pounds. See photos.

What happened next was as surreal as anything I saw in the movie Apocalypse Now. They were going to go alone without hesitation, but for protection I offered to accompany them. In hindsight, I may have increased our risk with my presence because I don't blend in. But I am also rarely mistaken for a gringo.

The night was cool and misty. First stop, a 24-hour restaurant across the main road to buy a dinner for take-out. Then we proceeded to walk for about twenty minutes, in the worst direction you can from the Nutibara. Lots of people huddled in circles doing drugs, homeless people everywhere. We reached our destination point and Cricket started approaching strangers and asking for her cousin by name. They would point to another circle of drug users hunched on the ground, smoking I don't know what. After the third group, someone pointed us to a building with a sliding metal door-front. We walked over there and said the girl's name again and a guy leaning against the bricks reached down and tossed the door up and open.

A very small girl, same size as Cricket and Catgirl, came scurrying out like an animal, bent over at the waist. She was dirty, with matted hair, tiny cut-off shorts, barefoot, and a midriff shirt that showed her flat belly. Physically, she appeared to be in good condition. She was cute, just like Catgirl and Cricket. She behaved more like a ferral animal than a human, first circling us and then slowly approaching after she sensed no threat.

She politely took the food in the white plastic bag from Cricket and chatted her up. I reached in my pocket to give her some money, but Catgirl gently and firmly grabbed my wrist and said, "No, don't do it, she will just spend it on drugs."

Just as quickly, she disappeared back into the dark hole of the building and the door slid closed. We walked purposefully but not urgently back to the hotel. We got a lot of glances, but no one hassled us and I never felt threatened.

Take home points: Don't have a visible phone on you or anything that appears valuable. Don't act paranoid, scared, arrogant or stand out any more than you naturally do. As I wrote in the beginning, I believe those two tiny chicas would have been just as safe if not safer without me, at 3 AM, walking the streets in one of the worst sections of El Centro. Looking like a gringo will always increase your risk. Don't go out like we did, unless you are with locals or have a reason worth the risk. Most of the actual crimes are not violent, but if they have a gun, they will shoot you in the face at the slightest resistance, including if you simply say "no". Fun times.

When we got back to our room I felt like I was just in a dream. I was amazed about how safe I felt the entire time. Maybe we were just lucky, but my chicas had no fear and acted as though the entire affair was routine. Mind blown, for the thousandth time in Medellin.

I am planning a trip in April. I like the idea of having a secure hotel. I am curious if any of the bigger hotel chains (Marriott or Sheraton) are friendly to girls or is there a way to talk to the front desk Otherwise, any advice is appreciated.

I am also curious the best way to find girls? I have heard a few websites are helpful but are there better ways? If anyone can pass along some contact info I would be very grateful.

Also happy to meet some new friends if anyone is in town.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2671356]Has anyone stayed at Borbon Suites? I found a nice apartment on airbnb and the host says that guests are permitted. Just wondering if anyone has any experience of this place? The price is very cheap compared to what is offered so it is almost in the 'too good to be true' category. Reviews seem good.[/QUOTE]I stayed there on my first trip to Medellin last year. I was able to lock it up fairly last minute too. Nice apartment on the 2nd floor. I didn't have the view but I had a huge balcony. The apartment was clean and well maintained. It had a washer / dryer in it. The owner was very helpful and replied to messages quickly. No problem bringing chicas in as long as they had ID and no additional cost. The only thing I didn't like about it was that it was too far away from Laureles and Centro which is where I ended up hanging out a lot. On busy traffic days it was like a 30 minute Uber or more.

This coming weekend all bars will close and liquor sales stop at 6 pm on March 12.

Bars can reopen and liquor sales resume at 6 am on Monday March 14.

Plan accordingly.

Expect long lines at liquor stores beginning this Wednesday. Also, many restaurants will serve beer and wine in paper cups during the dry period.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2671583]This coming weekend all bars will close and liquor sales stop at 6 pm on March 12.

Bars can reopen and liquor sales resume at 6 am on Monday March 14.

Plan accordingly.[/QUOTE]

Tomorrow is Women's Day here in Colombia. Any adult female who means something to you in your life here you are going to want to at least wish her a happy day. Or a card. Or a small gift. Or not.

Like Mother's Day but the Colombians extend it to all women.

If you know a woman here who likes you and you don't at least wish her a Happy Woman's Day, she will take it as a slight.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2671583]This coming weekend all bars will close and liquor sales stop at 6 pm on March 12.

Bars can reopen and liquor sales resume at 6 am on Monday March 14.

Plan accordingly.[/QUOTE]I've been thru this before here, and many of the small little stores in the poorer barrios will be selling booze discreetly, however not in Poblado.

Good advice to stock up, I just came back from the store as I was running low on beer and was out of Tequila.

In May of this year for the election of the President there will be another dry weekend.

[QUOTE=CyberFlas;2671479]I am planning a trip in April. I like the idea of having a secure hotel. I am curious if any of the bigger hotel chains (Marriott or Sheraton) are friendly to girls or is there a way to talk to the front desk Otherwise, any advice is appreciated.

I am also curious the best way to find girls? I have heard a few websites are helpful but are there better ways? If anyone can pass along some contact info I would be very grateful.

Also happy to meet some new friends if anyone is in town.[/QUOTE]Somehow, I don't think you'll get much of a response on this one. These questions have been answered as nauseam on the board. Why don't you go through about 60 pages and read the "Reports of Distinction."

My brother and I are scrambling, While we were messaging back and forth with the Mansion they booked the rooms that we wanted so now looking for good Chica friendly accomodations.

We are checking in Wednesday the 9th for 6 nights. Looking for a nice 2 bedroom in Laureles close to parque segunda if possible.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2671704]My brother and I are scrambling, While we were messaging back and forth with the Mansion they booked the rooms that we wanted so now looking for good Chica friendly accomodations.

We are checking in Wednesday the 9th for 6 nights. Looking for a nice 2 bedroom in Laureles close to parque segunda if possible.[/QUOTE]The would appear to meet your requirements and looks to be available. They have other properties too and I understand the properties to be chica friendly.

[URL]https://www.livrealtymedellin.com/property/santa-ana-601-a-3-bedroom-gem-in-laureles/[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;2671546]I stayed there on my first trip to Medellin last year. I was able to lock it up fairly last minute too. Nice apartment on the 2nd floor. I didn't have the view but I had a huge balcony. The apartment was clean and well maintained. It had a washer / dryer in it. The owner was very helpful and replied to messages quickly. No problem bringing chicas in as long as they had ID and no additional cost. The only thing I didn't like about it was that it was too far away from Laureles and Centro which is where I ended up hanging out a lot. On busy traffic days it was like a 30 minute Uber or more.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response, much appreciated!

Hi all!

Been following the form for a while now and finally booked a trip to Medellin next month. I'm a newbie to Medellin, so just have a few questions if some more experienced folks can help me out.

1. Does Hotel M allow outside guests (E. G, FB chicas)? If so, does Hotel M charge fees for outside guests?

2. For FB chicas coming to you, do most of you book the ride for the chica (I. E. , call the rideshare for them), or do chicas get their own rides and then you reimburse when they get to you (if you negotiated cab fare as part of total).

3. What is the general procedure for chicas coming to San Peter Apartments? Do they just have to check-in with the front desk via their IDs?

4. My Spanish is fairly basic (although getting better), so more likely than not I will need to use a translation app to have more in depth conversations. Besides Google Translate, are their any good apps that people use? Also, do most of you reveal your level of Spanish to chicas before they come or when they get to you? I just don't want to surprise my visitors with my basic Spanish abilities:

Thanks in advance everyone.

I appreciate it, my brother and I found a nice 2 bedroom. If there are any chica recommendations please message me with them, so much safer than Milerotico.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2671724]The would appear to meet your requirements and looks to be available. They have other properties too and I understand the properties to be chica friendly.

[URL]https://www.livrealtymedellin.com/property/santa-ana-601-a-3-bedroom-gem-in-laureles/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2671257]I see it a little differently. If you have to stick your hand in the campfire to realize you will get burned, you are highly likely to get burned. If you can make risk / reward judgments on a theoretical level, you are more likely to have more reward than risk.[/QUOTE]My insurance policy Doxycycline. I tell my doctor that I'm going to an area where Malaria is present, script is written. Kills Malaria, Gonorrhea, Syphlis and Chlamydia. Start 2 days before travel, take during travel and 3 or 4 days after returning.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2671745]My insurance policy Doxycycline. I tell my doctor that I'm going to an area where Malaria is present, script is written. Kills Malaria, Gonorrhea, Syphlis and Chlamydia. Start 2 days before travel, take during travel and 3 or 4 days after returning.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22922018/antibiotic-resistance-epidemic-drug-resistant-infections[/URL]

Hello all,

First time visiting Colombia which I will arrive on Wednesday. I was informed I needed to complete a Checkmig before arrival. Which I completed today. I received an email confirmation with the basic info I submitted. My name, passport number, airline info. Is this all I need? A friend of mine said I was supposed to receive a QR code?

I sent the bitcoin following instructions as laid out more than 24 hours ago and it doesn't look like my premium membership is activated yet. I am right now in Medellin and wanted to touch base with a couple of seniors through messaging and I am not able to do it. Is this delay normal? Is there anything I need to do other than sending bitcoin and contacting the admin through the "Contact Us" page?

[blue]And we answered you. You subscription was activated after you sent your TXID.

Have you tried login out then log in, and check if it is activated?

Admin3[/blue]

I don't see any messages confirming the activation. I am trying to send a message (or click on a thumbnail) to see if my membership is activated and it is not. I still can't send messages or see the thumbnail images bigger.

[blue][The confirmation was sent via email, probably is your SPAM.][/blue]

[QUOTE=Srr300;2671754]Hello all,

First time visiting Colombia which I will arrive on Wednesday. I was informed I needed to complete a Checkmig before arrival. Which I completed today. I received an email confirmation with the basic info I submitted. My name, passport number, airline info. Is this all I need? A friend of mine said I was supposed to receive a QR code?[/QUOTE]No, no QR Code, and Immigration on Arrival will not ask to see anything as they will have you in the system, however, you should have a copy to show your airline confirming registration.

Yes, this is one of the reasons these medications are restricted. When patients mislead their physicians or decide they know better than their physicians, it causes problems for all of us.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2671752][URL]https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22922018/antibiotic-resistance-epidemic-drug-resistant-infections[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Srr300;2671754]I was informed I needed to complete a Checkmig before arrival. Which I completed today. I received an email confirmation with the basic info I submitted. My name, passport number, airline info. Is this all I need? A friend of mine said I was supposed to receive a QR code?[/QUOTE]That is all. Just take a screenshot of it to show when you check in at the airport. Maybe your friend was thinking of Dominican Republic. They have a QR code.

I went to Fase Dos about 4 years ago, and I remember there was a ST hotel next door (exit and walk to the right) where the chicas would take you. I tried to look on google maps but don't see it. It is still there? And if so what is the name?

Does La Isla have something similar or is it takeout only?

Another question about La Isla - 4 years ago when I tried to go to their on a Sunday night apparently it was a "regular" dance club that night and wasn't going to open until 11 pm. Are there certain days where its a regular club vs a strip club?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=WonderBoyz;2671731]Hi all!

Been following the form for a while now and finally booked a trip to Medellin next month. I'm a newbie to Medellin, so just have a few questions if some more experienced folks can help me out.

1. Does Hotel M allow outside guests (E. G, FB chicas)? If so, does Hotel M charge fees for outside guests?

2. For FB chicas coming to you, do most of you book the ride for the chica (I. E. , call the rideshare for them), or do chicas get their own rides and then you reimburse when they get to you (if you negotiated cab fare as part of total).

3. What is the general procedure for chicas coming to San Peter Apartments? Do they just have to check-in with the front desk via their IDs?

4. My Spanish is fairly basic (although getting better), so more likely than not I will need to use a translation app to have more in depth conversations. Besides Google Translate, are their any good apps that people use? Also, do most of you reveal your level of Spanish to chicas before they come or when they get to you? I just don't want to surprise my visitors with my basic Spanish abilities:

Thanks in advance everyone.[/QUOTE]1. Yes they allow outside chicas with a valid ID, unless the girl was previously banned from the Mansion.

2. I let the girls find their own ride. In many cases you will need to come out to pay the taxi. If you're agreeing to pay the taxi it's a good idea to confirm how much you will pay.

3. The girl arrives. She shows her ID at the desk and tells them your room number. They call you to confirm and send her up.

4. When you're first talking to them, tell them you only speak a little Spanish. Google Translate works fine. Stick with simple, direct sentences.

[QUOTE=WonderBoyz;2671731]Hi all!

Been following the form for a while now and finally booked a trip to Medellin next month. I'm a newbie to Medellin, so just have a few questions if some more experienced folks can help me out.

1. Does Hotel M allow outside guests (E. G, FB chicas)? If so, does Hotel M charge fees for outside guests?

2. For FB chicas coming to you, do most of you book the ride for the chica (I. E. , call the rideshare for them), or do chicas get their own rides and then you reimburse when they get to you (if you negotiated cab fare as part of total).

3. What is the general procedure for chicas coming to San Peter Apartments? Do they just have to check-in with the front desk via their IDs?

4. My Spanish is fairly basic (although getting better), so more likely than not I will need to use a translation app to have more in depth conversations. Besides Google Translate, are their any good apps that people use? Also, do most of you reveal your level of Spanish to chicas before they come or when they get to you? I just don't want to surprise my visitors with my basic Spanish abilities:

Thanks in advance everyone.[/QUOTE]For Hotel M,the hotel itself doesn't allow male guests. Any chica can get in with a valid cedula & vac. Card as long as they have not been banned. The hotel bar next door does allow outside guests, fees vary, maybe 50 K. I think most just let the chicas arrange their own ride. It's negotiated for the service and ride.

[QUOTE=WonderBoyz;2671731]Hi all!

Been following the form for a while now and finally booked a trip to Medellin next month. I'm a newbie to Medellin, so just have a few questions if some more experienced folks can help me out.

1. Does Hotel M allow outside guests (E. G, FB chicas)? If so, does Hotel M charge fees for outside guests?

2. For FB chicas coming to you, do most of you book the ride for the chica (I. E. , call the rideshare for them), or do chicas get their own rides and then you reimburse when they get to you (if you negotiated cab fare as part of total).

3. What is the general procedure for chicas coming to San Peter Apartments? Do they just have to check-in with the front desk via their IDs?

4. My Spanish is fairly basic (although getting better), so more likely than not I will need to use a translation app to have more in depth conversations. Besides Google Translate, are their any good apps that people use? Also, do most of you reveal your level of Spanish to chicas before they come or when they get to you? I just don't want to surprise my visitors with my basic Spanish abilities:

Thanks in advance everyone.[/QUOTE]1. In the past it's always been free to bring your own chica to your mansion room. I haven't stayed there recently but expect the policy is the same.

2. Depends on how you structure the deal. I see a lot of FB chicas and have learned it's important to clarify the specifics of our deal as we are making it. In other words if you don't tell her it's "X mil pesos incluyendo de taxis" she is going to expect you to pay the taxis in addition to whatever number you agreed upon. Personally I like to build the cost of her transportation into the deal so I don't need to screw around with getting an Uber to find her at her address. And she can use InDriver and probably make a few extra pesos off the 50 mil I build into our deal.

3. Yeah the San Peter reception ladies are very welcoming to the chicas. They just need to have proper identification which is a an original cedula for Colombianas or a passport for chicas de Venezuela. Be aware you are not allowed more than one guest at a time so no threesomes going to happen there.

4. The chicas are used to seeing gringos that speak almost no spanish. Sounds like you are ahead of most. They don't care how much you speak if you are just doing pay per meet. No I haven't heard of anything better than google translate.

Have fun and please write up reports of your experiences.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2671639]Expect long lines at liquor stores beginning this Wednesday. Also, many restaurants will serve beer and wine in paper cups during the dry period.[/QUOTE]What is the reason for the booze prohibition on these dates?

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2671810]1. In the past it's always been free to bring your own chica to your mansion room. I haven't stayed there recently but expect the policy is the same.

2. Depends on how you structure the deal. I see a lot of FB chicas and have learned it's important to clarify the specifics of our deal as we are making it. In other words if you don't tell her it's "X mil pesos incluyendo de taxis" she is going to expect you to pay the taxis in addition to whatever number you agreed upon. Personally I like to build the cost of her transportation into the deal so I don't need to screw around with getting an Uber to find her at her address. And she can use InDriver and probably make a few extra pesos off the 50 mil I build into our deal.

3. Yeah the San Peter reception ladies are very welcoming to the chicas. They just need to have proper identification which is a an original cedula for Colombianas or a passport for chicas de Venezuela. Be aware you are not allowed more than one guest at a time so no threesomes going to happen there.

4. The chicas are used to seeing gringos that speak almost no spanish. Sounds like you are ahead of most. They don't care how much you speak if you are just doing pay per meet. No I haven't heard of anything better than google translate.

Have fun and please write up reports of your experiences.[/QUOTE]How do you guys find FB chicas? Is there a good group to join?

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2671810]No I haven't heard of anything better than google translate.
[/QUOTE]I find Bing / Microsoft translate gives much more reliable results. I see some guys using Google. They speak in to their phone then show the result to the chicas. Then I have a good laugh at what they just "said" to the girl. No wonder they are often confused.

Spanishdict is great too, but more for study / learning as you go.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2671933]I find Bing / Microsoft translate gives much more reliable results. I see some guys using Google. They speak in to their phone then show the result to the chicas. Then I have a good laugh at what they just "said" to the girl.[/QUOTE]Google Translate goes better than that now. You can type or speak in English what you want to say into your phone, then the phone will repeat out a Spanish translation (or whatever language you have chosen) in audio of what you just typed or said in English. So, no need to speak / type and then show the girl your phone. She can just listen, as if you're speaking directly to her versus having to show her your screen each time.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2671583]This coming weekend all bars will close and liquor sales stop at 6 pm on March 12.

Bars can reopen and liquor sales resume at 6 am on Monday March 14.

Plan accordingly.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. This has me completely bummed. I was hoping for a big party Friday and Saturday nights in the bars. I'll just move my plans to Thursday and Friday nights. Hope it isn't dead Thursday night.

I will be flying out to Medellin next Thursday exited and nervous at the same time because it is my first visit. I will be there for two weeks I have a chica from Barranquilla that will be with me 18th and 19th but will be solo after. I am first grade Spanish but I believe and hope I can get by with google. I plan to hit all the casas, strip clubs, and clubs while I am there I don't have a subscription could not figure out bitcoin so I can't message anyone if you will be there in that time (March 17- April 1). I do want to thank you all for all the info over these last six months that I have gotten it is no way I would be as confident as I am without this forum that I found on a humbug but it was meant to be I believe. My apartment allows up to four people at a time including me but I don't plan on having more than one at a time. It is 24 hour security with ID verification an absolute must which makes me comfortable. The apartments are called the Orange Suites looks amazing but I will see when I arrive. Any last minute advice is welcomed but no pressure to do so. I will write up a report as I go if I can if not when I get back I will. I have all FB girls and some tinder too so that will be my route along with the park and milercros. I am weary of Centro so unless I meet gringos that I vibe with to go with me I may not go but that is not set in stone will see how comfortable I feel. Peace and thanks fellas.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2671815]What is the reason for the booze prohibition on these dates?[/QUOTE]Elections. Most Latin countries hold elections on Sundays and ban booze for the entire weekend. But, it's LatAm so due to the concept of 'hecha la ley, hecha la trampa,' anyone with any street smarts can buy booze anyway. But stock up and avoid the hassle.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2671815]What is the reason for the booze prohibition on these dates?[/QUOTE]Sunday, March 13.

Colombian parliamentary election, 2022.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2671815]What is the reason for the booze prohibition on these dates?[/QUOTE]It used to be the same in the US, no alcohol sales on election days. The purpose is to prevent someone from getting a bunch of people drunk, convincing them to vote one way and dump them off to vote.

Public transportation is also free on election days in Colombia.

[QUOTE=CyberFlas;2671849]How do you guys find FB chicas? Is there a good group to join?[/QUOTE]I am new to FB chicas in the Medellin scene, but I have used FB in other places before.

All it really takes is one "seed" chica. As long as you can find one via FB search or something, then just go on her friend list and start searching for other chicas. Of course, some will be non-pros. But you can typically tell by glancing at a chica's photos if they are pros or not (e. G, working girls will have more sexually focused photos versus photos of nature / with friends, etc.).

Of course, this strategy takes some time. Also, this strategy focuses on working girls. I have no experience chatting up a non-working girl and trying to get her to meet up.

Besides FB, you can also use Instagram, but in my experience, chicas tend to check their Insta DMs less.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2671977]It used to be the same in the US, no alcohol sales on election days. [/QUOTE]True, but normally only during the hours the polls are open. Might still be that way in some parts of the Yew Ess. But not the whole effing weekend for fuck's sake.

[QUOTE=AtlNightmare;2671963]I will be flying out to Medellin next Thursday exited and nervous at the same time because it is my first visit. I will be there for two weeks I have a chica from Barranquilla that will be with me 18th and 19th but will be solo after. I am first grade Spanish but I believe and hope I can get by with google. I plan to hit all the casas, strip clubs, and clubs while I am there I don't have a subscription could not figure out bitcoin so I can't message anyone if you will be there in that time (March 17- April 1). I do want to thank you all for all the info over these last six months that I have gotten it is no way I would be as confident as I am without this forum that I found on a humbug but it was meant to be I believe. My apartment allows up to four people at a time including me but I don't plan on having more than one at a time. It is 24 hour security with ID verification an absolute must which makes me comfortable. The apartments are called the Orange Suites looks amazing but I will see when I arrive. Any last minute advice is welcomed but no pressure to do so. I will write up a report as I go if I can if not when I get back I will. I have all FB girls and some tinder too so that will be my route along with the park and milercros. I am weary of Centro so unless I meet gringos that I vibe with to go with me I may not go but that is not set in stone will see how comfortable I feel. Peace and thanks fellas.[/QUOTE]Good choice with Orange suites. I'd advise stopping by sweet Georgia cafe. It's an American bar a good spot to meet a potential centro pal. Just grab a drink and introduce yourself.

IMO, eliminate the park and add a mall or strip joint, or spa.

[QUOTE=Ozu2019;2671792]I went to Fase Dos about 4 years ago, and I remember there was a ST hotel next door (exit and walk to the right) where the chicas would take you. I tried to look on google maps but don't see it. It is still there? And if so what is the name?

Does La Isla have something similar or is it takeout only?

Another question about La Isla - 4 years ago when I tried to go to their on a Sunday night apparently it was a "regular" dance club that night and wasn't going to open until 11 pm. Are there certain days where its a regular club vs a strip club?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]The ST hotel is to the LEFT of Fase Dos not right but yeah it's there.

Curious if anyone has met this girl in this youtube video? She speaks English really well. I wonder if she can be like that aleetours girl and give tours then have extras afterwards!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR_dDQPzSmM[/URL]

When the policia close down a love motel here they don't fuck around, see photo. This was my favorite one, located near the NW corner of Simon Bolivar Park, don't quote me on that location, but it doesn't matter now. The last chica I fucked there was my Numero Uno Novia Catgirl when she was doing some role playing as a skanky puta, hotter than fuk session, if I can put my hands on those fotos I will post them here and now.

Anywho, this love motel was known for not checking ID's (cedulas) which can come in handy in certain situations, not for anything illegal of course. The beginning of the end was after they reopened Simon Bolivar Park, they installed a cai or tiny police station across the street. Suddenly the hotel came under increased scrutiny and the first foto shows the final result. They cement blocked up the entrance. Geez, talk about making a statement. Oh well, I have already found my replacement hotel for those circumstances when needed, which are rare. Not surprisingly, the replacement love motel is owned by the same people of the hotel that got cemented shut. Go figure. Ostee Out and let's Keep On Keepin' On.

I found the fotos mentioned above of Catgirl at same motel, including one of what the entrance looked like before it was sealed. That session will always be burned into my memory as one our hawtest.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2671810]1. In the past it's always been free to bring your own chica to your mansion room. I haven't stayed there recently but expect the policy is the same.

2. Depends on how you structure the deal. I see a lot of FB chicas and have learned it's important to clarify the specifics of our deal as we are making it. In other words if you don't tell her it's "X mil pesos incluyendo de taxis" she is going to expect you to pay the taxis in addition to whatever number you agreed upon. Personally I like to build the cost of her transportation into the deal so I don't need to screw around with getting an Uber to find her at her address. And she can use InDriver and probably make a few extra pesos off the 50 mil I build into our deal.

3. Yeah the San Peter reception ladies are very welcoming to the chicas. They just need to have proper identification which is a an original cedula for Colombianas or a passport for chicas de Venezuela. Be aware you are not allowed more than one guest at a time so no threesomes going to happen there.

4. The chicas are used to seeing gringos that speak almost no spanish. Sounds like you are ahead of most. They don't care how much you speak if you are just doing pay per meet. No I haven't heard of anything better than google translate.

Have fun and please write up reports of your experiences.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the info! One follow up q (for you or other people on the form): I've been messaging back with a few AirBnB / hotels and many do allow guests, but say that "guest hours" are only from 8 am - 9 pm. In people's experience, how strict has this policy been? If a chica comes in at 7:30 pm, will they call up to your room at 9 pm to say that the chica has to leave? Or do most just not let in any new people after 9 pm?

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2671745]My insurance policy Doxycycline. I tell my doctor that I'm going to an area where Malaria is present, script is written. Kills Malaria, Gonorrhea, Syphlis and Chlamydia. Start 2 days before travel, take during travel and 3 or 4 days after returning.[/QUOTE]For gonorrhea, yes doxycyline is alternate first line treatment behind a much simpler one-time treatment regimen, instead of having to take doxy for 14 days. We will call that strike one. See chlamydia below.

For chlamydia, same story, doxy is an alternate first line treatment to single dose azithromycin. When you expand a treatment regimen from one dose (azithromycin) to twice a day dosing for 14 days (doxy), the compliance to treatment drops from 100% to less than 40%, in other words 60% no cure before we even consider resistance patterns of the infectious agent to the antibiotic, which can significantly reduce cure rate even more. We will call that strike two.

I will give you doxy for malaria prevention, although the treatment duration is long, one or two days before you travel, every day while you are in the endemic region, and then for 28 days after you leave. Did you happen to know that doxycycline is poorly tolerated because of "pill esophagitis" side effects? So good luck with that. But I will call a ball and not a strike on you for this one, my well-meaning but ignorant friend.

Finally syphilis, for which doxy is second line treatment in early first stages of syphilis only, instead of a penicillin shot. Syphilis has three stages that can extend for years and needs to be treated early to be treated successfully or in the final stages it can be deadly and impossible to cure. Because the cure rate is less than purrfekt even with parenteral penicillin in the first stage, the preferred treatment for syphilis is not doxy but desensitization treatment with penicillin and then proceeding with the penicillin.

Strike three my well-intending fellow monger, you are out.

I don't normally like to talk about credentials except when it comes to propulgating medical misinformation on the Internet, I will do so this time.

I am speaking from experience as a former chairman of a Pharmacy and Therapeutics Committee for an international Fortune 50 health insurance company with millions of covered lives. I had a team of pharmacists and physicians under me. And you?

Ostee Out. Powned.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2671943]Google Translate goes better than that now. She can just listen, as if you're speaking directly to her versus having to show her your screen each time.[/QUOTE]Doesn't say anything about the quality of the translation.

[QUOTE=WonderBoyz;2671986]I am new to FB chicas in the Medellin scene, but I have used FB in other places before.

All it really takes is one "seed" chica. As long as you can find one via FB search or something, then just go on her friend list and start searching for other chicas. Of course, some will be non-pros. But you can typically tell by glancing at a chica's photos if they are pros or not (e. G, working girls will have more sexually focused photos versus photos of nature / with friends, etc.).

Of course, this strategy takes some time. Also, this strategy focuses on working girls. I have no experience chatting up a non-working girl and trying to get her to meet up.

Besides FB, you can also use Instagram, but in my experience, chicas tend to check their Insta DMs less.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the information and reply. I am having a hell of a time finding a seed chica.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2672124]When the policia close down a love motel here they don't fuck around, see photo. This was my favorite one, located near the NW corner of Simon Bolivar Park, don't quote me on that location, but it doesn't matter now. The last chica I fucked there was my Numero Uno Novia Catgirl when she was doing some role playing as a skanky puta, hotter than fuk session, if I can put my hands on those fotos I will post them here and now.

Anywho, this love motel was known for not checking ID's (cedulas) which can come in handy in certain situations, not for anything illegal of course. The beginning of the end was after they reopened Simon Bolivar Park, they installed a cai or tiny police station across the street. Suddenly the hotel came under increased scrutiny and the first foto shows the final result. They cement blocked up the entrance. Geez, talk about making a statement. Oh well, I have already found my replacement hotel for those circumstances when needed, which are rare. Not surprisingly, the replacement love motel is owned by the same people of the hotel that got cemented shut. Go figure. Ostee Out and let's Keep On Keepin' On..[/QUOTE]How do you find these spots? Looks fun.

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore;2672086]Good choice with Orange suites. I'd advise stopping by sweet Georgia cafe. It's an American bar a good spot to meet a potential centro pal. Just grab a drink and introduce yourself.

IMO, eliminate the park and add a mall or strip joint, or spa.[/QUOTE]Will do thank you. Sweet Georgia Cafe was on my first to do list to meet people we are on the same page sir.

[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2667038]Thank you for your report.

What is candy and coffee girls? And are there any termas or clubs or Medellin is more like a catching sw?

Did you find it easy to get BBFS or that's not your cup of tea?

Last question: where can I find top quality gals in Medellin?[/QUOTE]Candy and coffee girls are those that go around selling candy and coffee. They are not limited to Centro. They are in most areas, including Poblado. Not all are players, but most are.

I am not a club guy. Just not by vibe. Leave that to you younger mongers. So no help there.

As far as BBFS. It is there 90% of the time. Just specify in advance. There is an upcharge, but nothing stupid. Street, coffee, and candy girls in centro will ask 30-50. Offer them 100 for whatever you want and most will go. If not, walk on.

Top quality girls. Can't answer that because that is such a personal preference. If you want the fake tits, face, etc. That is one thing. Not my jam. I prefer the more natural and regular type. But if you want the fake porn / stripper types for $150-400 a throw, I do know a guy there that can set you up. PM me.

Happy hunting.

Snook.

[QUOTE=ObioBrian;2667046]How did you go about hooking up with the candy and coffee people? Were you straight forward? Did you kinda test the waters and feel about and see what they was going to say before taking the plunge?[/QUOTE]Pretty straight forward. They offer candy or coffee. I tell them I don't want that, but I do want them. How much? They know. They respond with 30-50 K. Obviously they are all in. For basic services. I will then offer more. 100 K ($25) for BBFS and / or other sick shit I want to do and they will accept 90% of the time. If not, walk on. There is another one 20 feet away.

Happy hunting.

Snook.

Tied my old personal record of 8 chicas in one day today. The first time was during my first trip to Medellin over two years ago. Notable differences, the first time was done with drill-March planning and scheduling. Today completely formed itself after I woke up without any pre-planned appointments. In fact, I had a slow start, especially now that Caribe is no longer jump starting my mornings with early arrivals.

I was headed to the WOM store over at the corner of Ground Zero around 10:30 AM when I saw one of my go-to putas standing next to the entrance of my favorite short time motel. So it began. Stellar session that we extended from one hour to 90 minutes. Then I was two steps out of the entrance of the hotel when I saw the same two sex workers from my most recent three-way. Made a you-turn (auto-editor idiocy) back into the hotel, wash, rinse, repeat for thirty minutes. Three down and it was still early afternoon.

The rest fell into my lap. Pumpkin owed me a session from some money I fronted her and she came through. Than another three-way with Scarlet and her roommate, always good for some hawtness. While they were still here Scarlet called another of one of her friends, as she often does, to come over. And there was Spanish teacher between Ground Zero and Pumpkin. Pretty sure that makes eight.

The funny thing is, if I count a chica who was here after midnight the night before, and Super Groovy who offered to come but I took a power nap instead, it would have been ten chicas in 24 hours. But the best records are when you are not trying to set them, and they happen naturally, so I have zero complaints.

[QUOTE=Snook;2672193]Pretty straight forward. They offer candy or coffee. I tell them I don't want that, but I do want them. How much? They know. They respond with 30-50 K. Obviously they are all in. For basic services. I will then offer more. 100 K ($25) for BBFS and / or other sick shit I want to do and they will accept 90% of the time. If not, walk on. There is another one 20 feet away.

Happy hunting..[/QUOTE]In the back creeks of Sarasota. Hook them behind the head and yank them out of the water. We would do the same thing to a mullet.

I've just tried to message but couldn't, I'll be in Colombia April too.

[QUOTE=CyberFlas;2671479]I am planning a trip in April. I like the idea of having a secure hotel. I am curious if any of the bigger hotel chains (Marriott or Sheraton) are friendly to girls or is there a way to talk to the front desk Otherwise, any advice is appreciated.

I am also curious the best way to find girls? I have heard a few websites are helpful but are there better ways? If anyone can pass along some contact info I would be very grateful.

Also happy to meet some new friends if anyone is in town.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sargon76;2671265]I found that every girl that came to the apartment wanted to go in the hot tub, many would suggest it themselves but all seemed very happy when I suggested it. The hot tub big enough for 3 (maybe 4, I am a large dude) with a depth of about 3 feet. I enjoyed it a lot YMMV. The water got scolding hot and I almost got burnt once not being careful. The image attached is from the rental website and shows the hot tub in the apartment. I really enjoyed the apartment, I had pretty good budget for this trip so $60 per day was very worthwhile.[/QUOTE]Hey Sargon,

I read through your post but I can't seem to find out where you stayed. Which apartment is this and do you recommend it?

Thanks, AO.

[QUOTE=Snook;2672193]Pretty straight forward. They offer candy or coffee. I tell them I don't want that, but I do want them. How much? They know. They respond with 30-50 K. Obviously they are all in. For basic services. I will then offer more. 100 K ($25) for BBFS and / or other sick shit I want to do and they will accept 90% of the time. If not, walk on. There is another one 20 feet away..[/QUOTE]You make it sound so easy, straight forward, and with a high success rate, yet as your aware, this will be a challenge for guys with limited Spanish speaking skills.

As far as a 90% probability that both the Candy and Coffee girls go to the room, I would put that estimate at closer to 100% for the Candy girls, but much lower for the Coffee girls, as they can actually earn between 15 and 20 K in a day selling coffee, and lots of them don't sell their bodies.

Pulling Candy girls is like shooting fish in a barrel, yet the coffee girls are a different matter.

[QUOTE=WonderBoyz;2672128]Thank you for the info! One follow up q (for you or other people on the form): I've been messaging back with a few AirBnB / hotels and many do allow guests, but say that "guest hours" are only from 8 am - 9 pm. In people's experience, how strict has this policy been? If a chica comes in at 7:30 pm, will they call up to your room at 9 pm to say that the chica has to leave? Or do most just not let in any new people after 9 pm?[/QUOTE]Nobody can give you an accurate answer unless maybe you provide a specific place. Why bother with those ones if that's not going to work for you? Don't mess with house rules that could disrupt your holiday and pick one without those restrictions.

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore;2672089]The ST hotel is to the LEFT of Fase Dos not right but yeah it's there.[/QUOTE]LOL you are both right. As you face Fase 2 it is on the left. As you walk out the door it is on the right.

I went to a Claro store in a shopping mall. I was prepared to get the $40 k plan for 30 days & 12 gb as reported by others here, but then saw there are other cheaper options. I'm staying less than a week and got the 7 day & 1.3 GB (more than enough) package for $7 k, so with the cost of the SIM card itself ($7 k), the total comes out to 7 k + 7 k = $14 k (less than $4 USD).

Here's the list of prepaid plans to choose from according to your needs:

[URL]https://www.claro.com.co/personas/servicios/servicios-moviles/prepago/paquetes/[/URL]

Bring your passport, they don't scan it, they just enter the info.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2672310]You make it sound so easy, straight forward, and with a high success rate, yet as your aware, this will be a challenge for guys with limited Spanish speaking skills.

As far as a 90% probability that both the Candy and Coffee girls go to the room, I would put that estimate at closer to 100% for the Candy girls, but much lower for the Coffee girls, as they can actually earn between 15 and 20 K in a day selling coffee, and lots of them don't sell their bodies.

Pulling Candy girls is like shooting fish in a barrel, yet the coffee girls are a different matter.[/QUOTE]Try for a windshield washer girl out in the middle of the street, jeje.

[QUOTE=HelloMan2;2672337]I went to a Claro store in a shopping mall. I was prepared to get the $40 k plan for 30 days & 12 gb as reported by others here, but then saw there are other cheaper options. I'm staying less than a week and got the 7 day & 1.3 GB (more than enough) package for $7 k, so with the cost of the SIM card itself ($7 k), the total comes out to 7 k + 7 k = $14 k (less than $4 USD).

Here's the list of prepaid plans to choose from according to your needs:

[URL]https://www.claro.com.co/personas/servicios/servicios-moviles/prepago/paquetes/[/URL]

Bring your passport, they don't scan it, they just enter the info.[/QUOTE]Did same thing at Unicentro Mall but the girl sent me to Exito for the 7 mil data plan.

[QUOTE=KindAn;2672257]I've just tried to message but couldn't, I'll be in Colombia April too.[/QUOTE]I am figuring out this bitcoin thing to get a regular membership. I will be in touch.

[QUOTE=CyberFlas;2672160]How do you find these spots? Looks fun.[/QUOTE]I am not a subject matter expert on Medellin. I haven't been to 90% of the places discussed here. I should probably get out more since mongering is an indoor sport, jeje.

Another foto of Catgirl in that love motel.

Hello!

Arriving today and leaving Monday, staying in the parque Lleras area. How are the chicas around there? Are the bars open? I know elections will be impacting my time there but hoping to get numbers, or go with tinder / milleroticas as a back up.

I know Sundays slow in Latin America but which place is better for a Sunday?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2672310]You make it sound so easy, straight forward, and with a high success rate, yet as your aware, this will be a challenge for guys with limited Spanish speaking skills.

As far as a 90% probability that both the Candy and Coffee girls go to the room, I would put that estimate at closer to 100% for the Candy girls, but much lower for the Coffee girls, as they can actually earn between 15 and 20 K in a day selling coffee, and lots of them don't sell their bodies.

Pulling Candy girls is like shooting fish in a barrel, yet the coffee girls are a different matter.[/QUOTE]I was 3 for 3 with coffee girls in Centro, but perhaps I just got lucky. I may have also used non-verbal clues when approaching. As far as their earning 15-20 K a day, working all day, I would suggest that many women that may not normally sell herself be influenced by making the same money in 30 minutes (100 K) as they would working 5 full days.

A person with limited Spanish skills will do fine. Just a few words and basic phrases will do the trick. It is either a yes or no, not a conversation. Walk up and say "No quiero cafe / candy / or ese" (I don't want coffee / candy / that pointing to the coffee / candy). Say "te deseo" (I want you). "quanto" (how much). She will either say no or give you a number. Know your numbers. Negotiate from there with numbers. Don't need a lot of words. When done, say "vamos". There is always google translate for more conversational needs.

Happy hunting.

Snook.

[QUOTE=Snook;2672772]I was 3 for 3 with coffee girls in Centro, but perhaps I just got lucky. I may have also used non-verbal clues when approaching. As far as their earning 15-20 K a day, working all day, I would suggest that many women that may not normally sell herself be influenced by making the same money in 30 minutes (100 K) as they would working 5 full days..[/QUOTE]Well your batting average makes more sense for someone offering and paying a coffee girl 100 K for thirty minutes.

However, things could be awkward, or quite the opposite with a coffee girl that doesn't normally sell their body which I'm sure your cognizant of.

It could range from a girl not even asking for a condom, and into kissing, versus a girl wanting everything covered and very nervous while in the room.

100 K can go a long way in Centro, and is about three times the going market rate for locals which begs the question, why pay a coffee girl that normally doesn't go to the room three times the market rate.

[QUOTE=Snook;2672772]I was 3 for 3 with coffee girls in Centro, but perhaps I just got lucky.[/QUOTE]Sample size did not achieve power. Followed by classic projection, albeit well-meaning.

[QUOTE=Sargent50;2672745]I know Sundays slow in Latin America but which place is better for a Sunday?[/QUOTE]My 2 cents worth opinion: CTG beach scene can be good when a lot of the local Col chicas semi-pros show up needed a little spending money. And the clock tower Reloj will be low key compared to other nights.

MDE the street scene centro will also have less sw's, foot traffic as well as for Parque Lleras. But you can still get lucky and find something quite nice, very accommodating, and hopefully affordable. Buena suerte! Luvchicas.

[QUOTE=LuvChicas;2672946]My 2 cents worth opinion: CTG beach scene can be good when a lot of the local Col chicas semi-pros show up needed a little spending money. And the clock tower Reloj will be low key compared to other nights.

MDE the street scene centro will also have less sw's, foot traffic as well as for Parque Lleras. But you can still get lucky and find something quite nice, very accommodating, and hopefully affordable. Buena suerte! Luvchicas.[/QUOTE]What kind of price for a 7-8 looks wise does a beach girl go for vs a Parque Lleras girl. I am going to be trying both.

Returned from a stellar session yesterday at Ground Zero with two Vennie sisters. Plan was to take the afternoon off but ended up a six-girl day which bumped my average up, fractionally.

I wasn't back in my room 10 minutes when the reception desk called and wanted to know if I has a "cita" with three chicas. I recognized all three names and said send them thru.

They were in El Centro shopping for yet another stolen cell phone. I can't ever recall Scarlet stopping by uninvited before but this turned out to be a good thing. I lined them up as shown in the fotos and got in the hotel desk chair with coasters on it and rolled up and down on them, usually less than two minutes on each girl, sometimes kneeling, sometimes sitting.

When I was in the middle I was always fingering other holes on both sides of me. At first I went back and forth so Scarlet in the middle would get more attention, the other two chicas are not on my Top Ten list although they are both great. Then I switched to left to right and just spent some extra seconds on Scarlet in the middle position. I will let your imagination fill in the rest of the details. All girls were 18 years or older and their total age added up to 55.

I paid them each 100 mil COP and they stayed all afternoon. They would have gotten naked for free but for what I did to them they needed and expected to be paid. They loved it and so did I.

I gave Scarlet an extra 50 mil propina for bringing them. And because they kept telling me how much they loved me I took them downstairs and let them fill a bag full of mekatos or snacks at the Dollar Store for under 50. Then a long taxi ride home for them to two different locations for another 30 mil COP.

Unless I am mistaken as I often am, that added up to a little under 430 mil COP out the door for hours of debauchery with three chicas, all who had a fun-filled attitude and not one-ounce of shame, uninhibited, laughing, and with a natural sexuality that the culture here in Medellin produces. They have been good friends for a long time and Scarlet is roomates with the slender one.

Memories, priceless (channeling Mastercard, jeje). Oh yeah, I also gave Scarlet another 100 towards her new cell phone. I try to maintain some grip on value of the money I spend, for their sake, more than mine.

Another chica came after they left in the evening, that made six.

I think I am acting-out with some hypersexual behavior because I can't find Catgirl. She discovered then blew-up on TikTok and I can't grab her attention. She messaged me from San Andres with fotos and her novia where supposedly some rich dude flew in from Spain on a private jet to meet her. Probably the last part was her TicTok hyperbole, but she was definitely not paying her own way. I don't have a TikTok account but without asking, my other girls watch and tell me what she's up to. We have an open relationship but these are new boundaries. Right now, I am giving it some time to see what shakes out. Can't imagine a better place than Medellin to soothe an aching heart.

Don't want to, but a couple of official duties are pulling me back to the states. I think I have been here around 10 weeks with one side trip to Panama. I will start planning my return to Medellin as soon as walk thru my door at home back in the states.

Got to go. Secret is on her way over with another one of her new girls. She has started an "agency" and she is letting me break-in her new girls. Don't ask me for any contact info, please. I will if and when Secret gives me the green light, but she is mercenary and not for newbies.

Of course the girls she brings me are not virgins, There have been three so far, each one gorgeous (I'm easy), nubile, extremely low mileage, 18 yo, and just starting in the Pay 4 Play game. She brings them to me for three-hole access and so when she turns them out, they won't be too shocked by anything they see, but of course I cannot nearly cover all the angles. No one can make this shit up and I can't believe it half the time my self but I stopped wondering why a while back.

Ostee Out, let's Keep On Keepin' On.

Channeling The Doors in the subject title, the auto-editor fucked with it of course, so I had to delete a couple of Jim Morrison lyrics. Asinine.

I'm a back door man, and I own it.

Another advantage, she can leave her jeans and shoes on for a quickie, jeje.

Or, you can leave your hat on. Cocker.

[QUOTE=GreenTeaPro;2673211]What kind of price for a 7-8 looks wise does a beach girl go for vs a Parque Lleras girl. I am going to be trying both.[/QUOTE]In general, a 7-8 chica will probably start out asking for 300,000 pesos. But you need to haggle and ask what services she'll provide and how long? I like a verbal agreement though sometime's it is not fulfilled. We usually settle for 200,000 p. But I do speak fluent Espanol. Buena suerte. Luvchicas.

[QUOTE=LuvChicas;2673259]In general, a 7-8 chica will probably start out asking for 300,000 pesos. But you need to haggle and ask what services she'll provide and how long? I like a verbal agreement though sometime's it is not fulfilled. We usually settle for 200,000 p. But I do speak fluent Espanol. Buena suerte. Luvchicas.[/QUOTE]And that 200 k will get you how long like an hour or something. Sorry for asking it's just I zero experience in Latin America.

[QUOTE=GreenTeaPro;2673262]And that 200 k will get you how long like an hour or something. Sorry for asking it's just I zero experience in Latin America.[/QUOTE]Yours is a normal question. There are variables like tips (propinas), small gifts (regalos), transportation (taxis) that some guys choose to parse out and others do not, but the final figure and time roughly round out to what you are quoting.

Gratuitous foto of the nubile newbie Secret brought me after my Tasty Trio I posted below, jeje.

Stayed in San Peter's Suites La 70. A very convenient area. A stones throw away from Exitos and all the entertainment on La 70. I noticed a lot of chicas advertising on mileroticos are near La 70. Nice selections at reasonable rates. Metro Estadio Station is near for direct access to Parque Botero, El Centro and other points in and around Medellin. Unicentro Mall is a good pick up spot for regular chicas. Laureles is a good spot to squat.

What 200 k will get you depends on the chica and also a bit on you. Some will want to get down to business with you quick and leave right after sex. Other chicas will be happy to stick around for 2 or 3 hours. A few may have sex multiple times and do whatever you want no extra charge. That has to do with 1) how much of a hardened pro she is and 2) how interesting and fun you are. A bad sign for me is if they name a price and say a time in the message (200 k una hora or 200 k un relacion). I have had the best time with girls who don't bring up price in a straight forward way at all (I always ask about their expenses for coming) and have even had a freebie or two that way. I had some of my worst times when I tried to negotiate every detail.

[QUOTE=GreenTeaPro;2673262]And that 200 k will get you how long like an hour or something. Sorry for asking it's just I zero experience in Latin America.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GreenTeaPro;2673211]What kind of price for a 7-8 looks wise does a beach girl go for vs a Parque Lleras girl. I am going to be trying both.[/QUOTE]You need to show a picture or two to tell people what you consider as a 7 or 8 because the answer you are getting is based on general pricing, not specific to 7 or 8. You may find them or you won't at all.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2673237]A tasty trio[/QUOTE]You need a bigger bed.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2673257]Channeling The Doors in the subject title, the auto-editor fucked with it of course, so I had to delete a couple of Jim Morrison lyrics. Asinine.

I'm a back door man, and I own it.

Another advantage, she can leave her jeans and shoes on for a quickie, jeje.

Or, you can leave your hat on. Cocker.[/QUOTE]Those aren't Jim Morrison's lyrics. Song was written by Willie Dixon then performed by Howlin Wolf. It's an old blues standard covered by the Doors.

[QUOTE=HelloMan2;2672337]I went to a Claro store in a shopping mall. I was prepared to get the $40 k plan for 30 days & 12 gb as reported by others here, but then saw there are other cheaper options. I'm staying less than a week and got the 7 day & 1.3 GB (more than enough) package for $7 k, so with the cost of the SIM card itself ($7 k), the total comes out to 7 k + 7 k = $14 k (less than $4 USD).

Here's the list of prepaid plans to choose from according to your needs:

[URL]https://www.claro.com.co/personas/servicios/servicios-moviles/prepago/paquetes/[/URL]

Bring your passport, they don't scan it, they just enter the info.[/QUOTE]Don't overcomplicate it amigo, get a sim for claro anywhere for 5 k and then just add saldo (data) at practically any store, then add the plan on your phone that you want dialing star 611 pound using the data you just bought (saldo), it shows up like 1k pesos, 1 day all included, etc... you already got the 7 day 7k,, good stuff

Almost turned into the hoe this week at casa Cuba. With my regular for an hour (70 k) DFK tongue sucking and mutual masturbation'69, like a GF, then after post nut clarity I had that slow blink feeling, the knot in stomach feeling. The feeling of wanting to tip her an extra 30 k for mind blowing service. Didn't DO IT! Don't forget it boys, they'll[blue][Edited or Deleted by Admin][/blue] respect you more if you don't tip. Truly. And negotiate with these sw hoes.

This pregnant chick yesterday in front of the museum wanted 50 k after I got her a 1. 5 k chicha to conversate off the bat I just laaughed and said 30 k incl room and she immediately agreed. Pregnant pussy in doggy is effing amazing, she loved it too. Don't be a mark!

which reminds me it's common here for old fellas to say "dont pay first". which is bullshit imo. out of the 250 sw+ ive been with in my life i've only argued to pay after like 5 times and it just makes the service more annoying. maybe its anecdotal but i swear ive never gotten ripped off paying first, even with crack head in the states. . and i cancelo primero literally in mde lol 150+ times easily and never gotten scammed.. i guess ymmv, just be a gentleman and dont be sketchy, also BUILD RAPPORT first dont justgo up t o her and say how much, vamos,lol, get a beer, a drink, chit chat about travel, her dreams, etc.... rule to live by in this game

ive said it before but you get change for those 10+ 50k notes the atm gives you at the casinso scashiers box on ave la playa, like any of the big casinos, they change money no questions asked.

Best.

Jw.

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[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2673347]Yours is a normal question. There are variables like tips (propinas), small gifts (regalos), transportation (taxis) that some guys choose to parse out and others do not, but the final figure and time roughly round out to what you are quoting.

Gratuitous foto of the nubile newbie Secret brought me after my Tasty Trio I posted below, jeje.[/QUOTE]That's a solid 8 right there osteo, the stuff dreams are made of, hope you smashed her hard in the spirit of the board.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2672799]Well your batting average makes more sense for someone offering and paying a coffee girl 100 K for thirty minutes.

However, things could be awkward, or quite the opposite with a coffee girl that doesn't normally sell their body which I'm sure your cognizant of.

It could range from a girl not even asking for a condom, and into kissing, versus a girl wanting everything covered and very nervous while in the room.

100 K can go a long way in Centro, and is about three times the going market rate for locals which begs the question, why pay a coffee girl that normally doesn't go to the room three times the market rate.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to highlight this. I mean burn money if you want (not surf, the OP, but 100 k 30 min for a coffee girl?

Dude I hope you're barebacking them with that kind of pay day, 50 k tops and that should include DFK, BBBJ, the works!

Not my money to judge how to spend but trust me they think you're a novice / rookie / pushover if you're paying them that much, no offense.

Best.

Jw.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2673583]That's a solid 8 right there [/QUOTE]What would have made her a 9? What would have made her a 10?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2673594]What would have made her a 9? What would have made her a 10?[/QUOTE]You're going to start a 20 page thread LOL. But to me. A 9 would have been bigger ass'tits, you can tell she's slim, prob not much to grab onto during doggy in the love handle area. a little thicker, just by adding 2 years of life probably and she's a 9. Face is perfect. 10's are to each their own, the personality separates a 9 from a 10.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2673586]Dude I hope you're barebacking them with that kindd of pay day, 50 k tops and that should include DFK, BBBJ, the works!.[/QUOTE]With the "works" including a cream pie finish as well! LOL.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2673462]You need a bigger bed.[/QUOTE]The one on the left fell off the bed and landed on her ass, unharmed. Just added to the laughter. . .

Photo from this morning.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2673583]That's a solid 8 right there osteo, the stuff dreams are made of, hope you smashed her hard in the spirit of the board.[/QUOTE]I rank them but I don't rate them. The closest I can come is to say, "If you would have told me five years ago that I would be banging multiple sweet, gorgeous 18 and 19 year olds I would have told you that you were crazy."

Chica told me today she could not have an orgasm because it would ruin her new tattoo, cause it to welt up. WTF?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2673347]Yours is a normal question. There are variables like tips (propinas), small gifts (regalos), transportation (taxis) that some guys choose to parse out and others do not, but the final figure and time roughly round out to what you are quoting.

Gratuitous foto of the nubile newbie Secret brought me after my Tasty Trio I posted below, jeje.[/QUOTE]So you had to protect the identity of the Teddy in the girl's t-shirt?

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2673645]So you had to protect the identity of the Teddy in the girl's t-shirt?[/QUOTE]What you see is what you get.

Reading through the Colombia thread, it seems to a newbie that pussy is abundant and overflowing and you just have to logon to Tinder and SA and you'll have hundreds of girls offering their vagina to you for next to nothing, or a very reasonable price.

Well, right now, as I type, I am having in a Wattsapp convo with a Seeking girl. Not sure if the rules allow it, but here is her Seeking name - "SweetRocker". And I've just blocked her, because on wattaspp, after the formalities, she proceeds to try and sell me 5 videos of her for a price of 35 K COP as a "way of building trust and a relationship" before we actually meet. Then there is the offer of a 200.000 COP payment for videos of her playing with toys. I remind her that I don't need to pay her for nude videos when I can literally watch a million hardcore vids on [URL]pornhub.com[/URL] for free. She, of course, tell me that none of those of those vids are of her, and she is special, and if I ever want to meet her then I need to abide by her rules. This bit got to me. Abide by her rules? WTF? I ask her to pay ME 35.000 COP if I send her photos of my dick so that we can "building trust and a relationship". She responds with insults.

I tell her that there are 10,000 other women like her in Medellin. And if I am paying the money, then I make the rules and not her. She tells me that just because I have money, I have no right to disrespect women. I tell her that just because she has a vagina, she has no right to dis-respect men.

And then I tell her, that I would not fuck her even for free. And that's actually true. She comes across as the "I know my worth" type, the Instagram model who may look like a 8 on photos but is shallow and fake as hell. And someone who behaves as if she's doing you a favour by being in the same room as you. Even though you are the one paying the money.

Right now, she's mellowing down. But too late.

The point of this rant is. Guys, (especially the weekend warriors who've just flown in from the US). Please don't feed the gold-diggers and free-loaders. It just encourages them.

Stand your ground. Pussy may seem cheap compared to what people pay in the US, but please, please, please, don't give in. It will just create a sense of entitlement for these girls and ruin the market.

P.S. - normally I'm non-confrontational, but literally two hours ago, I had just fucked a great Vennie who gave me DFK, and wonderful service for 35 K, un rato. Hence my assertive response to this 'beauty queen' who thought her pussy was made of gold.)

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2673579]Don't overcomplicate it amigo, get a sim for claro anywhere for 5 k and then just add saldo (data) at practically any store, then add the plan on your phone that you want dialing star 611 pound using the dtata you just bought (saldo), it shows up like 1k pesos, 1 day all included, etc... you already got the 7 day 7k,, good stuff

Almost turned into the hoe this week at casa Cuba. With my regular for an hour (70 k) DFK tongue sucking and mutual masturbation'69, like a GF, then after post nut clarity I had that slow blink feeling, the knot in stomach feeling. The feeling of wanting to tip her an extra 30 k for mind blowing service. Didn't do it! Don't forget it boys, theyll respect you more if you don't tip. Truly. And negotiate with these sw WGs.

This pregnant chick yesterday in front of the museum wanted 50 k after I got her a 1. 5 k chicha to conversate off the bat I just laaughed and said 30 k incl room and she immediately agreed. Pregnant pussy in doggy is effing amazing, she loved it too. Don't be a mark!.[/QUOTE]I think I seen that pregnant chica near the museum in Centro. She looked like a mixed mulatta wearing white with curly hair. She was chatting up with some gringos and she was with a friend.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2673673]Reading through the Colombia thread, it seems to a newbie that pussy is abundant and overflowing and you just have to logon to Tinder and SA and you'll have hundreds of girls offering their vagina to you for next to nothing, or a very reasonable price.

Well, right now, as I type, I am having in a Wattsapp convo with a Seeking girl. Not sure if the rules allow it, but here is her Seeking name - "SweetRocker". And I've just blocked her, because on wattaspp, after the formalities, she proceeds to try and sell me 5 videos of her for a price of 35 K COP as a "way of building trust and a relationship" before we actually meet. Then there is the offer of a 200.000 COP payment for videos of her playing with toys. I remind her that I don't need to pay her for nude videos when I can literally watch a million hardcore vids on [URL]pornhub.com[/URL] for free. She, of course, tell me that none of those of those vids are of her, and she is special, and if I ever want to meet her then I need to abide by her rules. This bit got to me. Abide by her rules? WTF? I ask her to pay ME 35.000 COP if I send her photos of my dick so that we can "building trust and a relationship". She responds with insults.

I tell her that there are 10,000 other women like her in Medellin. And if I am paying the money, then I make the rules and not her. She tells me that just because I have money, I have no right to disrespect women. I tell her that just because she has a vagina, she has no right to dis-respect men.[/QUOTE]Fudimaar,

Love your post as you hit it perfectly. It is the illogical paisa girl mentality. Makes no fuckin common sense but that is how they think. I also am on SA and as many have said filtering through all the scammers, hardened pros, fake profiles, girls that are on for two days then disappear, and SA ridiculously continuing to post profiles in your search results that have not been on the site for months takes a lot of time trying to find the diamonds in the rough "normal" girls.

Many of these girls respond with the "que buscas?" and then proceed to tell you that you need to pay them to meet you. I have never used SA in the USA where many guys say that PPM is the normal protocol. But here in Colombia? No thanks. I am not paying any girl un centavo for the first meet. I need to meet a girl in person to assess attraction, chemistry and interest. Many of these girls are using filters and photoshop so look nice online but then they show up in person and you are like who the fuk are you? You are not the same girl on the site.

Many paisa girls have developed the I am so beautiful that you would be lucky if I agree to see you, yet they don't have rent money but they continue with the attitude of I am an independent woman and I don't need any man's money. Its the age of instagram, selfies, onlyfans, so us old school guys need to hold the line and push back from their BS. Don't feed the trolls.

Two days ago there was a FB chick julia AC hot but offerinf videoa and if you buy her videos you could fuck. I told her nah, ID rather just fuck. She says ok no problem. The full service plus BBBJ and anal will be 150 k. Resonable I think she is hot. Just deposit half up front and then the rest on person. Hell no. Thats 75 k lost for sure. Don't fall for half first then the rest in person BS.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2673673]Reading through the Colombia thread, it seems to a newbie that pussy is abundant and overflowing and you just have to logon to Tinder and SA and you'll have hundreds of girls offering their vagina to you for next to nothing, or a very reasonable price.

Well, right now, as I type, I am having in a Wattsapp convo with a Seeking girl. Not sure if the rules allow it, but here is her Seeking name - "SweetRocker". And I've just blocked her, because on wattaspp, after the formalities, she proceeds to try and sell me 5 videos of her for a price of 35 K COP as a "way of building trust and a relationship" before we actually meet. Then there is the offer of a 200.000 COP payment for videos of her playing with toys. I remind her that I don't need to pay her for nude videos when I can literally watch a million hardcore vids on [URL]pornhub.com[/URL] for free. She, of course, tell me that none of those of those vids are of her, and she is special, and if I ever want to meet her then I need to abide by her rules. This bit got to me. Abide by her rules? WTF? I ask her to pay ME 35.000 COP if I send her photos of my dick so that we can "building trust and a relationship". She responds with insults.

I tell her that there are 10,000 other women like her in Medellin. And if I am paying the money, then I make the rules and not her. She tells me that just because I have money, I have no right to disrespect women. I tell her that just because she has a vagina, she has no right to dis-respect men.

And then I tell her, that I would not fuck her even for free. And that's actually true. She comes across as the "I know my worth" type, the Instagram model who may look like a 8 on photos but is shallow and fake as hell. And someone who behaves as if she's doing you a favour by being in the same room as you. Even though you are the one paying the money.

Right now, she's mellowing down. But too late.

The point of this rant is. Guys, (especially the weekend warriors who've just flown in from the US). Please don't feed the gold-diggers and free-loaders. It just encourages them.

Stand your ground. Pussy may seem cheap compared to what people pay in the US, but please, please, please, don't give in. It will just create a sense of entitlement for these girls and ruin the market.

P.S. - normally I'm non-confrontational, but literally two hours ago, I had just fucked a great Vennie who gave me DFK, and wonderful service for 35 K, un rato. Hence my assertive response to this 'beauty queen' who thought her pussy was made of gold.)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;2673809]Two days ago there was a FB chick julia AC hot but offerinf videoa and if you buy her videos you could fuck. I told her nah, ID rather just fuck. She says ok no problem. The full service plus BBBJ and anal will be 150 k. Resonable I think she is hot. Just deposit half up front and then the rest on person. Hell no. Thats 75 k lost for sure. Don't fall for half first then the rest in person BS.[/QUOTE]That's one thing any of us should follow; never send money up front to a girl you never met. Taxis will wait if they tell them their friend will pay the fare, so don't let them use an excuse like "I need money to pay for the taxi before I come to you".

Don't be dumb and use your big head not your little one!

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2673673]Reading through the Colombia thread, it seems to a newbie that pussy is abundant and overflowing and you just have to logon to Tinder and SA and you'll have hundreds of girls offering their vagina to you for next to nothing, or a very reasonable price.

Well, right now, as I type, I am having in a Wattsapp convo with a Seeking girl. Not sure if the rules allow it, but here is her Seeking name - "SweetRocker". And I've just blocked her, because on wattaspp, after the formalities, she proceeds to try and sell me 5 videos of her for a price of 35 K COP as a "way of building trust and a relationship" before we actually meet. Then there is the offer of a 200.000 COP payment for videos of her playing with toys. I remind her that I don't need to pay her for nude videos when I can literally watch a million hardcore vids on [URL]pornhub.com[/URL] for free. She, of course, tell me that none of those of those vids are of her, and she is special, and if I ever want to meet her then I need to abide by her rules. This bit got to me. Abide by her rules? WTF? I ask her to pay ME 35.000 COP if I send her photos of my dick so that we can "building trust and a relationship". She responds with insults.

I tell her that there are 10,000 other women like her in Medellin. And if I am paying the money, then I make the rules and not her. She tells me that just because I have money, I have no right to disrespect women. I tell her that just because she has a vagina, she has no right to dis-respect men.

And then I tell her, that I would not fuck her even for free. And that's actually true. She comes across as the "I know my worth" type, the Instagram model who may look like a 8 on photos but is shallow and fake as hell. And someone who behaves as if she's doing you a favour by being in the same room as you. Even though you are the one paying the money.

Right now, she's mellowing down. But too late.

The point of this rant is. Guys, (especially the weekend warriors who've just flown in from the US). Please don't feed the gold-diggers and free-loaders. It just encourages them.

Stand your ground. Pussy may seem cheap compared to what people pay in the US, but please, please, please, don't give in. It will just create a sense of entitlement for these girls and ruin the market.

P.S. - normally I'm non-confrontational, but literally two hours ago, I had just fucked a great Vennie who gave me DFK, and wonderful service for 35 K, un rato. Hence my assertive response to this 'beauty queen' who thought her pussy was made of gold.)[/QUOTE]You're correct about your point around a sense of entitlement for those who know that they are attractive. I think some punters need to remember that they hold the purse strings and the women are the service providers. As you and many others have rightly pointed out, there are thousands more women out there; it's not worth the time and effort to convince or negotiate with a woman if her demands are unreasonable compared to the rest of the "market". Stand your ground and be "matter of fact" about it; they'll come back with a change in demeanour and attitude. As with anywhere, let alone Colombia, there are many women who think very highly of themselves; if they're not interested or their demands are too high, then move onto the next one. No woman wants a man to be a pushover.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2673673]Reading through the Colombia thread, it seems to a newbie that pussy is abundant and overflowing and you just have to logon to Tinder and SA and you'll have hundreds of girls offering their vagina to you for next to nothing, or a very reasonable price.
P.S. - normally I'm non-confrontational, but literally two hours ago, I had just fucked a great Vennie who gave me DFK, and wonderful service for 35 K, un rato. Hence my assertive response to this 'beauty queen' who thought her pussy was made of gold.)[/QUOTE]This was a very good post. Even here on this forum, we see members normalising and condoning 200,250,300 k for a fck, when you can get tons of action for 30,40,50 k.

If there are plenty of guys willing to pay 200-300 k, then girls will get that inflated value of themselves. It's normalisation, validation. And once you get to know your way around town, its completely unnecessary. Many here will argue that they get better looking girls, better service. But having tried both ends, in my experience I would say that is total BS and naive self-justification.

The best sex I have had in Colombia is with a humble girl that charges 60 k for a session. She loves to play and experiment, and she enjoys her job. She leaves when / if you want her to. There is no better combination.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2673537]Those aren't Jim Morrison's lyrics. Song was written by Willie Dixon then performed by Howlin Wolf. It's an old blues standard covered by the Doors.[/QUOTE]I abhor misinformation on the Internet I am glad there are guys like you around to mop up my mess. Jeje.

Abhorring misinform on the InterWeb is like complaining the sky is blue or water is wet, so I am probably wasting some energy there, not sure.

Fotos from last night. Secret and one of her Girls. 18 years old, as usual. Was expecting a night off but not to be.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2673838]This was a very good post. Even here on this forum, we see members normalising and condoning 200,250,300 k for a fck, when you can get tons of action for 30,40,50 k.

If there are plenty of guys willing to pay 200-300 k, then girls will get that inflated value of themselves. It's normalisation, validation. And once you get to know your way around town, its completely unnecessary. Many here will argue that they get better looking girls, better service. But having tried both ends, in my experience I would say that is total BS and naive self-justification.

The best sex I have had in Colombia is with a humble girl that charges 60 k for a session. She loves to play and experiment, and she enjoys her job. She leaves when / if you want her to. There is no better combination.[/QUOTE]I agree for the most part other than I am not sure what "normalization" and "validation" have to do with it. I see it as pure Supply & Demand. There will always be individual people who pay above and below fair market value, but the invisible, powerful force of Supply & Demand determines the price.

I like the sound of your "humble girl." Here's how my strange mind works, I wondered if she is the same way with other mongerers, if she even does Pay 4 Play with others?

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2670830]It was a $25 lesson. But it doesn't seem that you learned from your mistake. Be smart and smoke in private. You assumed too much and were wrong.[/QUOTE]Just checked with a couple Paisa friends who burn regularly and no you can't just smoke on the street legally. It does happen all the time but it's NOT legal. Cops use their discretion. It would cause a riot to bust a group of Colombians smoking but one Gringo is a no brainer. Even in Park Periodista where I go often, everyone is openly smoking but when cops come by they put the joints out. Don't listen to the bad advice given by another guy here. Let him go out on La 70 or any other street and smoke a joint in front of the police and tell them what he told you to say. Let's see what he reports back. Be smart and. Be safe.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2673673]Reading through the Colombia thread, it seems to a newbie that pussy is abundant and overflowing and you just have to logon to Tinder and SA and you'll have hundreds of girls offering their vagina to you for next to nothing, or a very reasonable price.
[/QUOTE]You're wasting your time trying to find 60 k chicas on Seeking. I have had many refusals when offering $200 k plus transport. How do define a "very reasonable price"?

The Rocker chica you mentioned favorited me. I immediately blocked her because she did not appeal to me. Attractiveness is a matter of personal taste.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2673673]Reading through the Colombia thread, it seems to a newbie that pussy is abundant and overflowing and you just have to logon to Tinder and SA and you'll have hundreds of girls offering their vagina to you for next to nothing, or a very reasonable price.

Well, right now, as I type, I am having in a Wattsapp convo with a Seeking girl. Not sure if the rules allow it, but here is her Seeking name - "SweetRocker". And I've just blocked her, because on wattaspp, after the formalities, she proceeds to try and sell me 5 videos of her for a price of 35 K COP as a "way of building trust and a relationship" before we actually meet. Then there is the offer of a 200.000 COP payment for videos of her playing with toys. I remind her that I don't need to pay her for nude videos when I can literally watch a million hardcore vids on [URL]pornhub.com[/URL] for free. She, of course, tell me that none of those of those vids are of her, and she is special, and if I ever want to meet her then I need to abide by her rules. This bit got to me. Abide by her rules? WTF? I ask her to pay ME 35.000 COP if I send her photos of my dick so that we can "building trust and a relationship". She responds with insults.

I tell her that there are 10,000 other women like her in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Why are you telling her anything? The minute a girl asks for money before a meet, block her. You are wasting your time arguing. If you want to do something, screen shot your texts and turn her into SA / seeking management. End of discussion.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2673673]I had just fucked a great Vennie who gave me DFK, and wonderful service for 35 K, un rato. Hence my assertive response to this 'beauty queen' who thought her pussy was made of gold.)[/QUOTE]Seeking is for longer term or sugar baby relationships. If you are not able to do that because of time or marriage ETC, then you should not bother with seeking.

I have said sugar baby sex is better than ho sex, but part of that is you weed out the ho types and the ones lousy in the sack. On average, the ho sex I had in Colombia was better than a first time meeting with a seeking / SA woman. If you are not looking for a sugar baby relationship, you should not use it. Guys doing that are wasting their money and ruining the site.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2673855]There will always be individual people who pay above and below fair market value,[/QUOTE]I argue that monger-chica transactions are seldom done at "fair market value. ".

Chicas are mostly living their equilvalent of paycheck to paycheck. Therefore they are often in a situation where they need to make a deal.

Mongers usually have no knowledge of the local market and are under time pressure themselves because vacations don't last forever.

Investopedia Definition: "Fair market value (FMV) is the price of an asset when buyer and seller have reasonable knowledge of it and are willing to trade without pressure. ".

More often than not, there is always pressure of some sort in a mongering transaction.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2673838]This was a very good post. Even here on this forum, we see members normalising and condoning 200,250,300 k for a fck, when you can get tons of action for 30,40,50 k...There is no better combination.[/QUOTE]Here we go again😂. You are treating this like McDonald which is fine but others may not like that. Elvis has it right on the shit thread.

The comparison you made is not equal. The length of time and the number of fucks may be different. Don't forget there are people get it for free on Seeking and Tinder so what do you say about that? There are people who would insist girl to shower first, or want to have better bed, larger room, or want to have sex on new sheet. El Centro will not be a regular place for them. Think about it as a form of fetish 😎.

Hey guys,

Heading to Medellin for the first time next weekend. In terms of safety precautions:

- I chose an Airbnb with 24/7 security in Poblado. I'm hoping the ID checks will encourage good behavior from the chicas. Not sure how common fake IDs are here.

- I'll get a cheap android phone to minimize the impact of mugging. And only carry one card with a low limit outside the apartment.

- I'll probably getting a cheap t-shirt / jeans combo to see if I can tolerate looking like a local.

- I'm going to lock my investment accounts in case of a scopolamine attack.

I see some threads talking about a second apartment. Does that make things safer because your stuff is in another place? I'm hoping to stick to higher quality SA girls so hoping major tantrums aren't a thing.

I've also read a bit about scopolamine and this one worries me the most. Although unlikely, I don't see how to protect myself against it beyond locking my investment accounts. Any tips there?

Also, in case SA falls though, where do you guys think the highest quality girls can be found? La Isla or is there better?

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2673673]Reading through the Colombia thread, it seems to a newbie that pussy is abundant and overflowing and you just have to logon to Tinder and SA and you'll have hundreds of girls offering their vagina to you for next to nothing, or a very reasonable price.

Well, right now, as I type, I am having in a Wattsapp convo with a Seeking girl. Not sure if the rules allow it, but here is her Seeking name - "SweetRocker". And I've just blocked her, because on wattaspp, after the formalities, she proceeds to try and sell me 5 videos of her for a price of 35 K COP as a "way of building trust and a relationship" before we actually meet. Then there is the offer of a 200.000 COP payment for videos of her playing with toys. I remind her that I don't need to pay her for nude videos when I can literally watch a million hardcore vids on [URL]pornhub.com[/URL] for free. She, of course, tell me that none of those of those vids are of her, and she is special, and if I ever want to meet her then I need to abide by her rules. This bit got to me. Abide by her rules? WTF? I ask her to pay ME 35.000 COP if I send her photos of my dick so that we can "building trust and a relationship". She responds with insults.

I tell her that there are 10,000 other women like her in Medellin. And if I am paying the money, then I make the rules and not her. She tells me that just because I have money, I have no right to disrespect women. I tell her that just because she has a vagina, she has no right to dis-respect men.[/QUOTE]You certainly made that a lot more complicated than it needed to be. Next time try my "No thanks, I'm not interested" method. Whenever someone tries to sell you something you don't want, or is asking a price you're unwilling to pay, just follow this simple 2 step method:

1. Say "No thanks, I'm not interested."

2. Move on.

Not only does it simplify things, but it leaves open the possibility that the person will be selling something you want, at a price you're comfortable with.

You avoid bringing up a bunch of irrelevant crap about free porn or other girls, you eliminate the insults and arguing, and you don't need to create elaborate fantasies about the other person's attitude or performance. You just move on to the next one.

Why turn something simple into a telenovela?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2673838]The best sex I have had in Colombia is with a humble girl that charges 60 k for a session. She loves to play and experiment, and she enjoys her job. She leaves when / if you want her to. There is no better combination.[/QUOTE]Woo. I had one last week the same way. Hell, she asked me why I was leaving so fast. She even tried to get me to take her number.

But I realize that guys are on vacation and they want to "line something up" or party with chicks or fuck some chick because she has pictures on instagram. And they are willing to pay more than pussy costs for these conveniences and fantasies. Besides, it is cheaper than home and they have been saving up and / or have not been on a trip as such in a year or so. For mfs that do it all the time, 200 K sounds ridiculous.

Shit, after my 60 K session I was heading back to get a Vennie that had told me 30 K. Even if I could not fucks her, it would have been worth paying 30 K to see her nekkit and have her sucking on my soft dick.

As you said humble is the key. And there are not going to be any humble chicks floating around Instagram with thousands of men everyday telling them how beautiful they are and all the things they will do for them.

A normal chick that I mess with here in Barranquilla stayed 2 days with me until yesterday when I had to act like I was leaving so I could meet up with my other chicks. She asked me how much my 2 bedroom airbnb costs. When I told her $34 (129,000 pesos) per day she was like wow. 3 days in this place costs the same as 1 month in my apartment.

When residents or frequent visitors know information like this, it seems to them ridiculous to pay a chick's rent for 3 months just for a couple hours of fucking her. But like I said before, I definitely see where the vacationers are coming from.

An easy measuring stick is New Life vs Fase 2. You see Colombians constantly coming into New Life fucking chicks for 45 K. In Fase 2 you only see them drinking and partying with the chicks versus going to pay 5 times New Life to fuck them. Maybe to some foreigners a Fase 2 chick is worth 5 times a New Life chick, but looking around and seeing how the locals roll, not to them.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2673673]Reading through the Colombia thread, it seems to a newbie that pussy is abundant and overflowing and you just have to logon to Tinder and SA and you'll have hundreds of girls offering their vagina[/QUOTE]Along with thousands that are not going to show up.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2673929]I argue that monger-chica transactions are seldom done at "fair market value. ".

Chicas are mostly living their equilvalent of paycheck to paycheck. Therefore they are often in a situation where they need to make a deal.

Mongers usually have no knowledge of the local market and are under time pressure themselves because vacations don't last forever.

Investopedia Definition: "Fair market value (FMV) is the price of an asset when buyer and seller have reasonable knowledge of it and are willing to trade without pressure. ".

More often than not, there is always pressure of some sort in a mongering transaction.[/QUOTE]I am proud to say I typically am undercharged, I posit the less one pays directly improves the quality of the service.

Ask Mr. 3 million cop at La Islas "good for him".

If a puta overcharges someone she is stating she really doesn't want to have sex with them.

Lastly that excuse, that mongers have time pressure because they are on vacation is pure BS.

99.999% of us are on vacation, so unless you took a taxi from the airport during a layover for a quick session.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2673929]I argue that monger-chica transactions are seldom done at "fair market value. ".

Chicas are mostly living their equilvalent of paycheck to paycheck. Therefore they are often in a situation where they need to make a deal.

Mongers usually have no knowledge of the local market and are under time pressure themselves because vacations don't last forever.

Investopedia Definition: "Fair market value (FMV) is the price of an asset when buyer and seller have reasonable knowledge of it and are willing to trade without pressure. ".

More often than not, there is always pressure of some sort in a mongering transaction.[/QUOTE]And there are so many different venues. I guess I would place Ground Zero candy girls at the cheapest (with lots of diamonds in the rough) and I don't know for sure where the high end is, I guess the high dollar strip clubs of some on line dating services? I don't have any experience with the latter.

Yes, it can be hard to get a feel in the short term of fair market value. I feel like I pay fair market value but I spend months here at a time. Your Investopedia quote is essentially saying the same thing I have many times, "The hallmark of a good deal is when both parties are happy."

Appreciate the thoughtful feedback, let's Keep on Keepin' On!

I'm going to lock my investment accounts in case of a scopolamine attack.

I see some threads talking about a second apartment. Does that make things safer because your stuff is in another place? I'm hoping to stick to higher quality SA girls so hoping major tantrums aren't a thing.

I've also read a bit about scopolamine and this one worries me the most. Although unlikely, I don't see how to protect myself against it beyond locking my investment accounts. Any tips there?

Best way to avoid scopolamine when you are out hunting is don't eat or drink anything someone else gives you, and never take your eye off drinks you order (take them with you to the bathroom if needed).

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2673673]Reading through the Colombia thread, it seems to a newbie that pussy is abundant and overflowing and you just have to logon to Tinder and SA and you'll have hundreds of girls offering their vagina to you for next to nothing, or a very reasonable price.

Well, right now, as I type, I am having in a Wattsapp convo with a Seeking girl. Not sure if the rules allow it, but here is her Seeking name - "SweetRocker". And I've just blocked her, because on wattaspp, after the formalities, she proceeds to try and sell me 5 videos of her for a price of 35 K COP as a "way of building trust and a relationship" before we actually meet. Then there is the offer of a 200.000 COP payment for videos of her playing with toys. I remind her that I don't need to pay her for nude videos when I can literally watch a million hardcore vids on [URL]pornhub.com[/URL] for free. She, of course, tell me that none of those of those vids are of her, and she is special, and if I ever want to meet her then I need to abide by her rules. This bit got to me. Abide by her rules? WTF? I ask her to pay ME 35.000 COP if I send her photos of my dick so that we can "building trust and a relationship". She responds with insults.[/QUOTE]Awesome anecdote, thanks for doing your part to make mongering better for everyone.

Imagine if you will if every monger had the self-respect of this guy with only 8 posts.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2673867]Just checked with a couple Paisa friends who burn regularly and no you can't just smoke on the street legally. It does happen all the time but it's NOT legal. Cops use their discretion. It would cause a riot to bust a group of Colombians smoking but one Gringo is a no brainer. Even in Park Periodista where I go often, everyone is openly smoking but when cops come by they put the joints out. Don't listen to the bad advice given by another guy here. Let him go out on La 70 or any other street and smoke a joint in front of the police and tell them what he told you to say. Let's see what he reports back. Be smart and. Be safe.[/QUOTE]We still don't know the real answer. Your source is a "couple of Paisa friends" and the other dude got tangled in a mini-scam with the policia. One of you is probably more right, we could get the same result from a coin toss. Probably everyone had good intentions with their post, but that doesn't really matter when it comes to the Truth, or what I also like to call the most valuable commodity in the world, "accurate and actionable information." And that you heard here first.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2673960]Woo. I had one last week the same way. Hell, she asked me why I was leaving so fast. She even tried to get me to take her number.

But I realize that guys are on vacation and they want to "line something up" or party with chicks or fuck some chick because she has pictures on instagram. And they are willing to pay more than pussy costs for these conveniences and fantasies. Besides, it is cheaper than home and they have been saving up and / or have not been on a trip as such in a year or so. For mfs that do it all the time, 200 K sounds ridiculous.

Shit, after my 60 K session I was heading back to get a Vennie that had told me 30 K. Even if I could not fucks her, it would have been worth paying 30 K to see her nekkit and have her sucking on my soft dick.

As you said humble is the key. And there are not going to be any humble chicks floating around Instagram with thousands of men everyday telling them how beautiful they are and all the things they will do for them..[/QUOTE]You should have picked La Isla instead of Fase Dos to compare to New Life. Probably should have chosen a different casa too. New Life probably gets more gringos than any other casa, but at Fase Dos almost all the customers are locals.

If we're tossing our best sex stories, here are a couple more. One happened in Dallas. I'd met the girl online, told her I had a free weekend in Dallas and she told me to come see her. Within 10 minutes of her opening the door, we were getting rid of the clothes. Between Friday afternoon and Monday morning the only time we got dressed was to go to the store, where I spent about $30 on groceries. That was the only money I spent for about 70 hours of food, lodging and almost nonstop sex.

The other one was with another girl from online, although I had met her once before. She was vacationing in a nice Oceanview hotel room in Virginia Beach. Since I was in the area for the weekend she told me I could stay with her, but no sex, since my divorce wasn't final yet. I splurged on an expensive seafood dinner for two and had her literally eating out my hand before we finished. A walk on the beach turned into a make out session and soon we were rushing back to the room. Sex was off the charts and all I did was pay for the meals.

Does that mean the best sex can only be found in the US for free? No. Just like the best sex can't only be found in Colombia for 60 k. It's all subjective. What one person considers the best sex, another person would consider terrible.

There's no simple formula. It doesn't matter whether someone is on a short vacation, or if they live in the area. It doesn't matter how much they pay, or how the price compares to prices at home. It doesn't matter if it's taking place on a flattened cardboard box in an alley, or in a $1,000 per night penthouse.

The only thing that matters is if the people involved are satisfied.

The key to being satisfied is understanding what works for you. If you're most comfortable in a 5 star hotel, you might not have a great experience in one of the grubby little rooms at Grill Nueva. If you don't see any reason to spend more than $20-$30 per night on a room, you might not feel good about spending 100 k for a room at Motel Ibiza. If you like big fake butts and tits, you might not be thrilled with an all natural spinner and how good she fucks hasn't much to do with it.

Do your own thing, pay your own price, pick your own girls and don't waste your time trying to figure out what other people are doing.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2673673]Reading through the Colombia thread, it seems to a newbie that pussy is abundant and overflowing and you just have to logon to Tinder and SA and you'll have hundreds of girls offering their vagina to you for next to nothing, or a very reasonable price.

Well, right now, as I type, I am having in a Wattsapp convo with a Seeking girl. Not sure if the rules allow it, but here is her Seeking name - "SweetRocker". And I've just blocked her, because on wattaspp, after the formalities, she proceeds to try and sell me 5 videos of her for a price of 35 K COP as a "way of building trust and a relationship" before we actually meet. Then there is the offer of a 200.000 COP payment for videos of her playing with toys. I remind her that I don't need to pay her for nude videos when I can literally watch a million hardcore vids on [URL]pornhub.com[/URL] for free. She, of course, tell me that none of those of those vids are of her, and she is special, and if I ever want to meet her then I need to abide by her rules. This bit got to me. Abide by her rules? WTF? I ask her to pay ME 35.000 COP if I send her photos of my dick so that we can "building trust and a relationship". She responds with insults.

I tell her that there are 10,000 other women like her in Medellin. And if I am paying the money, then I make the rules and not her. She tells me that just because I have money, I have no right to disrespect women. I tell her that just because she has a vagina, she has no right to dis-respect men.[/QUOTE]The girls or guys posing as girls selling those videos likely aren't even in Colombia. I had a lot of Cubans on my FB friend list working that game, but now have most of them purged. Those though have typically been honest, with no pretense of meeting. Others will ask for a cash deposit to a Colombian bank account before meeting. But like the ones hawking the videos, videos that may not even be of the person you are talking to, they are unlikely to ever show up for a meeting. It's good to make other members here aware of these scams, as many with little street smarts find their way into this game. JJBee is also correct, there's nothing to be gained from fighting with them, is just wasted energy. Just refuse the offer and move on.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2673952]You certainly made that a lot more complicated than it needed to be. Next time try my "No thanks, I'm not interested" method. Whenever someone tries to sell you something you don't want, or is asking a price you're unwilling to pay, just follow this simple 2 step method:

1. Say "No thanks, I'm not interested."

2. Move on.

Not only does it simplify things, but it leaves open the possibility that the person will be selling something you want, at a price you're comfortable with.

You avoid bringing up a bunch of irrelevant crap about free porn or other girls, you eliminate the insults and arguing, and you don't need to create elaborate fantasies about the other person's attitude or performance. You just move on to the next one.

Why turn something simple into a telenovela?[/QUOTE]Fair point JjBee62. And saying "No thank you" is something that I would normally do. But sometimes.

I guess it's the same reason why some posters here feel the need to respond to someone else's post and disagree / find-faults and offer unsolicited advice, when all they have to do is simply ignore the post they disagree with, and metaphorically say "No thank you".

Coming down with a long time GF. Was thinking it would be fun to see her interest in partaking one or two nights.

Reality is, going to a club to pick up a pre-pago is not the vibe she'd be comfortable with. And reading the dangers of picking up random off the street is a no go either.

What are the options for us, to find someone that has a cool personality. Would meet for drinks or dinner before. But is not an amateur / unreliable.

Based on the rates I am seeing in the chat, happy to book a night with the right look. Looking for a girl next door / natural look.

Is SA / tinder type apps best, or is there someone who can connect me with someone that can help?

[QUOTE=GreenToad;2673988]I'm going to lock my investment accounts in case of a scopolamine attack...[/QUOTE]An alternative is carry a phone without any banking application and a card to an independent bank account with limited amount of money. That will limit your lost. Basically have with you what you can afford to lose. It is also worthwhile to find a wingman that can keep track of your whereabout.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2674050]You should have picked La Isla instead of Fase Dos to compare to New Life. Probably should have chosen a different casa too. New Life probably gets more gringos than any other casa, but at Fase Dos almost all the customers are locals...[/QUOTE]Conejitas will be a better comparison.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2673960]...

An easy measuring stick is New Life vs Fase 2. You see Colombians constantly coming into New Life fucking chicks for 45 K. In Fase 2 you only see them drinking and partying with the chicks versus going to pay 5 times New Life to fuck them. Maybe to some foreigners a Fase 2 chick is worth 5 times a New Life chick, but looking around and seeing how the locals roll, not to them.[/QUOTE]I think if the locals are making as much money as foreigners, they may behave differently.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;2673988]I'm going to lock my investment accounts in case of a scopolamine attack.

I see some threads talking about a second apartment. Does that make things safer because your stuff is in another place? I'm hoping to stick to higher quality SA girls so hoping major tantrums aren't a thing.

I've also read a bit about scopolamine and this one worries me the most. Although unlikely, I don't see how to protect myself against it beyond locking my investment accounts. Any tips there?

Best way to avoid scopolamine when you are out hunting is don't eat or drink anything someone else gives you, and never take your eye off drinks you order (take them with you to the bathroom if needed).[/QUOTE]I've told this story before here and I am not sure why it bears repeating but here goes. She put scope in my drink in my hotel room. I instantly tasted the bitterness and spit it back into the glass. I looked at her straight in the eyes and told her to drink it. She smiled and said no. We fucked and I sent her home without further incident. I continued to see her individually, and including three-ways and four-ways, usually with other girls on my List but not always. She made it onto my Top Ten List, where she remains to this day. Fucked her two days ago.

Can someone enlighten me with Hotel M or point me to previous report? What's the main mongering activity in Medellin? It is for some reason hard for me to dig intel from this thread.

I want to plan my trip but is becoming hard with not enough data points? Would appreciate if someone point me to top boates and stuff? Is mongering mostly depends on picking street girl or coffee / candy girls? Or it's mostly baote scene?

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/colombia-elections-gustavo-petro/2022/03/13/id/1060997/[/URL]

Free govt income? Putas won't want to work jajajajajaaaaaaaa.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2673579]

Almost turned into the hoe this week at casa Cuba. With my regular for an hour (70 k) DFK tongue sucking and mutual masturbation'69, like a GF, then after post nut clarity I had that slow blink feeling, the knot in stomach feeling. The feeling of wanting to tip her an extra 30 k for mind blowing service. Didn't DO IT! Don't forget it boys, they'll respect you more if you don't tip. Truly.


[/QUOTE]Yes tipping that extra 30 k would have destroyed you and her respect for you, lmao.

That's funny imo.

If "mind blowing service" doesn't qualify for a little extra, than I guess nothing does. LOL.

Nothing wrong with showing a little kindness actually, and in reality you would gain a little more respect.

All this talk of these girls that do swindle, lie, rob, deceive, etc, etc.

Showing a little appreciation to a genuine girl is not a bad thing if you're not overboard and a fool about it.

Just my humble opinion, and that's how I go about it all.

Good Karma and Respect.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2674105]Conejitas will be a better comparison.

I think if the locals are making as much money as foreigners, they may behave differently.[/QUOTE]I had many sessions at New Life over the years, and I had many sessions with Fase Dos / La Isla girls. I would have to say that the more expensive girls at Fase Dos / LI were much better than NL girls.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2673929]...Mongers usually have no knowledge of the local market and are under time pressure themselves because vacations don't last forever...[/QUOTE]This is not always true.

I believe that I have reasonable knowledge of the local markets in Colombia, thanks to ISG. And I can also say the same about other markets, like SP, Thailand, PI, etc.

Thanks! I'm usually never there Sundays or if I am it's during football season LOL. So I'm wet behind the ears on Sundays.

[QUOTE=LuvChicas;2672946]My 2 cents worth opinion: CTG beach scene can be good when a lot of the local Col chicas semi-pros show up needed a little spending money. And the clock tower Reloj will be low key compared to other nights.

MDE the street scene centro will also have less sw's, foot traffic as well as for Parque Lleras. But you can still get lucky and find something quite nice, very accommodating, and hopefully affordable. Buena suerte! Luvchicas.[/QUOTE]

Does the redhead MILF still work there? I believe her name is Sandra, big boobs.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2674008]We still don't know the real answer. Your source is a "couple of Paisa friends" and the other dude got tangled in a mini-scam with the policia. One of you is probably more right, we could get the same result from a coin toss. Probably everyone had good intentions with their post, but that doesn't really matter when it comes to the Truth, or what I also like to call the most valuable commodity in the world, "accurate and actionable information." And that you heard here first.[/QUOTE]The real answer is quite simple and it's the same wherever you go.

The people with the badges and the guns can do what they want, to who they want, whenever they want.

While certain actions are more likely to attract unwanted police attention, doing nothing wrong can also cause problems with the police.

[QUOTE=JohnnyBoyApple;2674082]Coming down with a long time GF. Was thinking it would be fun to see her interest in partaking one or two nights.

Reality is, going to a club to pick up a pre-pago is not the vibe she'd be comfortable with. And reading the dangers of picking up random off the street is a no go either.

What are the options for us, to find someone that has a cool personality. Would meet for drinks or dinner before. But is not an amateur / unreliable.

Based on the rates I am seeing in the chat, happy to book a night with the right look. Looking for a girl next door / natural look.

Is SA / tinder type apps best, or is there someone who can connect me with someone that can help?[/QUOTE]Have you already talked this over with her? Has she expressed genuine interest in getting together with another girl? Can she handle the situation when the other girl is more attractive? Do either of you speak Spanish? If you speak Spanish, is your girlfriend's Spanish at least as good as yours?

I did the swinger thing for several years, not only with long term girlfriends, but with more casual acquaintances as well. There is a high probability that (unless this is already something you both do) it's not going to work out well for you. All I'm saying is you should be certain both of you are in complete agreement about the whole thing.

My opinion is that you can find someone on Facebook. If you go to the Links to Reports of Distinction thread and read you will find a post explaining how to get started finding girls on Facebook.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2674204]Yes tipping that extra 30 k would have destroyed you and her respect for you, lmao.

That's funny imo.

If "mind blowing service" doesn't qualify for a little extra, than I guess nothing does. LOL.

Nothing wrong with showing a little kindness actually, and in reality you would gain a little more respect.

All this talk of these girls that do swindle, lie, rob, deceive, etc, etc.

Showing a little appreciation to a genuine girl is not a bad thing if you're not overboard and a fool about it.

Just my humble opinion, and that's how I go about it all.

Good Karma and Respect.[/QUOTE]Totally agree, well stated.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2674204]Yes tipping that extra 30 k would have destroyed you and her respect for you, lmao.

That's funny imo.

If "mind blowing service" doesn't qualify for a little extra, than I guess nothing does. LOL.

Nothing wrong with showing a little kindness actually, and in reality you would gain a little more respect.

All this talk of these girls that do swindle, lie, rob, deceive, etc, etc.

Showing a little appreciation to a genuine girl is not a bad thing if you're not overboard and a fool about it.

Just my humble opinion, and that's how I go about it all.

Good Karma and Respect.[/QUOTE]I was thinking the same thing. Personally, when it comes to a girl I will probably only see once in my life, I can probably live with the knowledge she might have less respect for me than she has for someone else.

Even if she's someone who I see every year, I've found that her excitement and enthusiasm whenever she comes over to make my day is adequate compensation for the slightly diminished respect brought on by me giving her just a little bit more.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2674217]This is not always true.

I believe that I have reasonable knowledge of the local markets in Colombia, thanks to ISG. And I can also say the same about other markets, like SP, Thailand, PI, etc.[/QUOTE]What percent of mongers in Medellin are on the ISG Board? What is the overlap between this Board and DCBornRob's Youtube channel? I would venture the majority of mongers in Medellin don't have a clue about the differences in prices and activities between Poblado, Centro, Laureles and Belen. Pop quiz time. If you wanted to take a turn in Belen, what are your options?

Racism is rampant in Bangkok so I don't think you have complete knowledge. I went to New Cleopatra back in the day and was not allowed access to the Thai Penthouse Pets that were available there. I imagine they were the same price as the 7000 baht sideliners at New Amsterdam. I know I have low self-esteem because I wanted to screw a Penthouse Pet.

Welcome to Medellin, I hope you have a pleasant stay. Two quick questions, what did you mean when you wrote "see if I can tolerate looking like a local" and what is the alternative attire to which you would default if a t-shirt and jeans are intolerable?

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2673949]Hey guys,

Heading to Medellin for the first time next weekend. In terms of safety precautions:

- I chose an Airbnb with 24/7 security in Poblado. I'm hoping the ID checks will encourage good behavior from the chicas. Not sure how common fake IDs are here.

- I'll get a cheap android phone to minimize the impact of mugging. And only carry one card with a low limit outside the apartment.

- I'll probably getting a cheap t-shirt / jeans combo to see if I can tolerate looking like a local.

- I'm going to lock my investment accounts in case of a scopolamine attack.[/QUOTE]

A couple of weeks ago, on the way back from Poblado to Laurels, I noticed a night club with prominent, purplish-pink neon signage: Gisell Barra Dance by name, on Avenida (Calle) 33, ## 76-30. I couldn't recall it ever having been mentioned on ISG, but, on making a thread search, a few very brief references did pop up. Apparently the owners have had clubs in Bucaramanga and Bogata for some time, but just opened up here in Medellin a year or two ago. In any event, out of curiosity I made a visit there last Wednesday around 10 PM, and found it to boast a few unique features (especially the type of chicas available) that may appeal to some BMs. Hence this somewhat longish trip report.

The club's relatively upscale (comparable in size / ambiance to Luna Lunera, which is located 3 kilometers away on the same Avenida). Inside, the set up is distinctive. Instead of tables one finds just one continuous, raised black bar counter which winds around an L shaped room. Clients sit outside the bar, with the chica cadre (about 10 to 15 that evening) on the inside along with two strip poles. About 8-10 clients, all locals. An intimate feel overall, and, compared to the setup at any other club that I've frequented here, it's much easier to check out all the available talent. The music is on the mellower side compared with the high decibel Reggaeton prevalent elsewhere, making it somewhat easier to have a conversation. Chicas may climb up on the bar for some in-your-face twerking or come over to sit with clients.

Most surprisingly for a Medellin club, virtually all the girls were slender, and even more surprising, with all natural b and c cups--not a set of bolt-ons or an enhanced butt in sight. And, with less make-up and somewhat younger looking on the average than at the other upscale clubs. That night I saw only two Caucasian looking ladies, the rest being mestizas. No afro-colombianas. The chicas all wore black leotard type outfits, with open mesh netting over their breasts, nipples often protruding through, and with at least some of the midriff exposed. And the girls seem to have been trained to be playful and interactive with the clientele. One nice looking chica leaned over the bar, exposed her tits, filled a small plastic shot glass from my Corona, placed it between her boobs, and pulled my head forward to drink from it. Not my idea of great entertainment, but a real crowd pleaser for her chica buddies.

All that said, by my, admittedly super selective standards, although several of the ladies seemed quite cute and doable, I saw no stunner with the beauty and overt sexuality that would have tempted me to take her to a room for an audition. There's just a 10 k cover charge (at least mid-week), but chica session fees are quite pricey (150 for a private dance and fondling; 400 k for an hour of sex; I imagine over 200 for a half hour).

I only stayed for 30 minutes or so. I'd be curious to hear from anyone who may have spent more time there and perhaps has sessioned with one or more of the girls.

I think you described the place well. I especially agree that it is set up to compete with Luna Lunera. It's worth reminding that the girls will vary from visit to visit.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2674320]A couple of weeks ago, on the way back from Poblado to Laurels, I noticed a night club with prominent, purplish-pink neon signage: Gisell Barra Dance by name, on Avenida (Calle) 33, ## 76-30. I couldn't recall it ever having been mentioned on ISG, but, on making a thread search, a few very brief references did pop up. Apparently the owners have had clubs in Bucaramanga and Bogata for some time, but just opened up here in Medellin a year or two ago. In any event, out of curiosity I made a visit there last Wednesday around 10 PM, and found it to boast a few unique features (especially the type of chicas available) that may appeal to some BMs. Hence this somewhat longish trip report.

The club's relatively upscale (comparable in size / ambiance to Luna Lunera, which is located 3 kilometers away on the same Avenida). Inside, the set up is distinctive. Instead of tables one finds just one continuous, raised black bar counter which winds around an L shaped room. Clients sit outside the bar, with the chica cadre (about 10 to 15 that evening) on the inside along with two strip poles. About 8-10 clients, all locals. An intimate feel overall, and, compared to the setup at any other club that I've frequented here, it's much easier to check out all the available talent. The music is on the mellower side compared with the high decibel Reggaeton prevalent elsewhere, making it somewhat easier to have a conversation. Chicas may climb up on the bar for some in-your-face twerking or come over to sit with clients..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2674122]I've told this story before here and I am not sure why it bears repeating but here goes. She put scope in my drink in my hotel room. I instantly tasted the bitterness and spit it back into the glass. I looked at her straight in the eyes and told her to drink it. She smiled and said no. We fucked and I sent her home without further incident. I continued to see her individually, and including three-ways and four-ways, usually with other girls on my List but not always. She made it onto my Top Ten List, where she remains to this day. Fucked her two days ago.[/QUOTE]What the. Are you not afraid she might do it again? Was it Scarlett? Purrfect?

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2674355]What the. Are you not afraid she might do it again? Was it Scarlett? Purrfect?[/QUOTE]But I will not reveal even my pet names on that story. Let's just say that I see chicas now who I fully trust, who would have fucked me over in an instant when they first met me. I believe in building a rapor and at least a casual friendship with my amigas and chicas and I am higher with my novias.

There has been discussion here in the past about whether or not it is a waste of energy to be "nice" to the sex workers, and if it matters that they "like" you or not. Well, for one thing, it's helluva lot safer. Every girl on my List I can leave money, credit cards, passport laying out without any worries. Not only are they nice to me, they can protect me in certain situations. There are exceptions, (Nigeria and Kenya come to mind, prob more I don't know about) but having a local chica on your arm is a good deterrent to any foul play from the locals.

To wit, Secret is no longer on my Top Ten, but she's working hard to get back on it. Leaving money out in front of her is like putting cheddar cheese in front of a starving rat. There is no question what will happen next and is is to be expected. Secret also brought me NNN (New Nubile Newbie) Number Four last night from her "agency" she is informally running at the moment. The chica in the cut-off jeans shorts in the fotos below is NNN #4.

So far, all the NNN's have been 18 years, low mileage, gorgeous, camera shy, otherwise great attitude, new to the P4P game, and open minded about sex.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2674320]A couple of weeks ago, on the way back from Poblado to Laurels, I noticed a night club with prominent, purplish-pink neon signage: Gisell Barra Dance by name, on Avenida (Calle) 33, ## 76-30.[/QUOTE]Sounds like they at least have some Policy and Procedures in place for the chicas who work there, jeje.

Not my kind of venue, but I need to get out and broaden my Medellin experiences, instead of acting like I have a shot at the bronze meda in Mattress Olympics.

The other night, I went to where the girls are in Poblado for my first time ever in the over two years I have been coming here. My wingman was an experienced Pobladian. I get it, easy to see the attraction. I won't be running back there any time soon, but pretty kool venue, especially for gringos who have been to similar places in the states. You get the same vibe in Poblado as you would in any number of higher-end touristy sections of big cities in the USA, with the added bonus of knowing you will get the girl in the end, at a much less overall cost.

I don't like stuff that reminds me of the USA but that is obviously a personal preference.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2674261]The real answer is quite simple and it's the same wherever you go.

The people with the badges and the guns can do what they want, to who they want, whenever they want.

While certain actions are more likely to attract unwanted police attention, doing nothing wrong can also cause problems with the police.[/QUOTE]My sister and brother-in-law are lawyers, and my father was a lawyer before he got disbarred (you have to really fuck-up to get disbarred. Imagine lawyers telling other lawyers you are not good enough to practice the law anymore, jaja). So my personal bias was wondering about what the actual laws or statutes say on the books about cannabis use in Medellin.

Your real-world answer probably has more utility, but if push came to shove, let's say the cameras caught the policia extorting the monger for the marijuana fine, how would that shake out in the courts? We still don't have that answer.

Appreciate the intelligent feedback.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2674286]What percent of mongers in Medellin are on the ISG Board? What is the overlap between this Board and DCBornRob's Youtube channel? I would venture the majority of mongers in Medellin don't have a clue about the differences in prices and activities between Poblado, Centro, Laureles and Belen. Pop quiz time. If you wanted to take a turn in Belen, what are your options?

Racism is rampant in Bangkok so I don't think you have complete knowledge. I went to New Cleopatra back in the day and was not allowed access to the Thai Penthouse Pets that were available there. I imagine they were the same price as the 7000 baht sideliners at New Amsterdam. I know I have low self-esteem because I wanted to screw a Penthouse Pet.[/QUOTE]For one, I find racism to be rampant in Medellin. Basically, the darker your skin, the less "desirable" you are. But at the same time, it's not as malicious and evil as say what you might find in the USA, certainly back in the day. I haven't figured it out, no one asked me and why should they?

The current state of racism in Medellin is more overt compared to the USA, but at the same time more superficial and less malignant. Perhaps this is because Colombia is at that tipping point of becoming a developed nation, so the impacts of racism are still mainly cultural and not financial. Really shooting from the hip here.

I was married to a dark black Baltimore ghetto girl for 16 years, and I thought I was racially enlightened before that, but I didn't know what I didn't know and I garnered a much, much deeper understanding of racial issues after that marriage and rearing her four children. Would not trade that experience for anything in the world.

I still love my ex-wife. We are getting ready to drive the entire length of Route 66 for the second time, this time in reverse direction from Santa Monica Pier in California to downtown Chicago. And my future goal is to bring her down here to Medellin and have a three-way or more with Catgirl and other chicas on my list, jajajajaa. I told her one time that I could not start her higher than Number Seven on my Top Ten list and her initial reaction was urge to kill, but she has softened up quite a bit since then, jajajajajaaa. I keep telling her, don't make up your mind until after you get here and experience the culture.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2674278]I was thinking the same thing. Personally, when it comes to a girl I will probably only see once in my life, I can probably live with the knowledge she might have less respect for me than she has for someone else.

Even if she's someone who I see every year, I've found that her excitement and enthusiasm whenever she comes over to make my day is adequate compensation for the slightly diminished respect brought on by me giving her just a little bit more.[/QUOTE]What does giving or paying a chica a little bit of extra dinero have to do with loss of self-respect, even slightly? I cannot connect the dots on this. And what difference does it make how many times you have seen them? This is a major Scooby-Doo for me. I get this same feeling when I am in the middle of using Google Translate during a live exchange and can't get a connection to the Internet.

I read on a report that Dorado La 70 was chica friendly. However, there are tons of disco techs and bars here but seeing nothing of chicas. Did I misread something or just need to wait till the night or what? TIA!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2674343]I think you described the place well. I especially agree that it is set up to compete with Luna Lunera. It's worth reminding that the girls will vary from visit to visit.[/QUOTE]Perhaps, as you imply, the prevalence of unenhanced flacas the one time that I happened to visit Gisell Barra Dance might well have been a fluke, and returning another night I might find myself lost in a Silicon Valley of the Dolls nightmare. However, my main reason for posting was the possibility that the management, in contrast to that of other clubs, might have a policy of hiring slim younger chicas with modest sized, natural breasts. If so, Gisell's might prove of special interest to the number of mongers on this site who seem unconcerned about the price for screwing chicas at upscale clubs like las Islas or Fase 2, but are totally turned off by the predominance of artificial boobs and booty at those venues. Not yours truly by the way, I'm an omnivore when it comes to styles of beauty, can get juiced-up by serious cleavage, and am fine with a boob job if the surgeon's work demonstrates some artistic, self restraint and a flair for simulating Mother Nature's most zaftig sculpturings. However, the comic book Barbarellas are another story altogether.

Again, I'll be interested to read what others visiting Gisell's have to report.

40 yo. If anyone want to meet up, talk shop and monger together. I speak perfect spanish, staying 1 week in poblado airbnb and another week in laureles. Hit me up.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2674437]However, the comic book Barbarellas are another story altogether.[/QUOTE]But Jane Fonda as Babarella was hawter than fuk fuk. Her orgasm scene in that movie could be considered a sentinel moment in cinema. Love it.

Full disclosure, I've only been in there a couple of times. I saw a little bit of everything and in general I would describe the staff as a cut above the average Centro casa workforce. When I mentioned the quality of girls can vary from day to day I was issuing a reminder that it is the case in any of the places we frequent.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2674437]Perhaps, as you imply, the prevalence of unenhanced flacas the one time that I happened to visit Gisell Barra Dance might well have been a fluke, and returning another night I might find myself lost in a Silicon Valley of the Dolls nightmare. However, my main reason for posting was the possibility that the management, in contrast to that of other clubs, might have a policy of hiring slim younger chicas with modest sized, natural breasts. If so, Gisell's might prove of special interest to the number of mongers on this site who seem unconcerned about the price for screwing chicas at upscale clubs like las Islas or Fase 2, but are totally turned off by the predominance of artificial boobs and booty at those venues. Not yours truly by the way, I'm an omnivore when it comes to styles of beauty, can get juiced-up by serious cleavage, and am fine with a boob job if the surgeon's work demonstrates some artistic, self restraint and a flair for simulating Mother Nature's most zaftig sculpturings. However, the comic book Barbarellas are another story altogether.

Again, I'll be interested to read what others visiting Gisell's have to report.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2674320]An intimate feel overall, ...And the girls seem to have been trained to be playful and interactive with the clientele.[/QUOTE]Reminded me of how much I miss Thailand. I must get back there soon.

Nice post BTW.

Thanks, Nil Admirarl, for report on Gisell Barra Dance. I like that kind of place and those kind of chicas, although 400 mil an hour is very high. Did you notice what drinks cost?

Near me is a nightclub called 25-29 Girls Club. I learned of it by picking up one of several cards discarded on a quiet residential street miles away. It is located on Cra. 70 at # 25-29. It has a website that keeps being updated. There used to be a catalog of chicas at about 150 mil per 45 minutes, but I couldn't find it tonight. There is a complete pricelist of drinks, however, domestic beers at 10 mil and lots of bottled liquor.

I've never stopped in. Has anyone?

I have a theory that sex is for sale everywhere in Medellin. I am always looking for where.

[QUOTE=Tomcat88;2674465]Thanks, Nil Admirarl, for report on Gisell Barra Dance. I like that kind of place and those kind of chicas, although 400 mil an hour is very high. Did you notice what drinks cost?

Near me is a nightclub called 25-29 Girls Club. I learned of it by picking up one of several cards discarded on a quiet residential street miles away. It is located on Cra. 70 at # 25-29. It has a website that keeps being updated. There used to be a catalog of chicas at about 150 mil per 45 minutes, but I couldn't find it tonight. There is a complete pricelist of drinks, however, domestic beers at 10 mil and lots of bottled liquor.

I've never stopped in. Has anyone?

I have a theory that sex is for sale everywhere in Medellin. I am always looking for where.[/QUOTE]It popped right up on Google maps. Every airport should have a strip club nearby. I'll try to remember to check it out in May.

[URL]https://2529club.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2674319]Welcome to Medellin, I hope you have a pleasant stay. Two quick questions, what did you mean when you wrote "see if I can tolerate looking like a local" and what is the alternative attire to which you would default if a t-shirt and jeans are intolerable?[/QUOTE]The alternative attire for me would be what I would wear hiking in a warm climate. Thin synthetic khakis plus a thin synthetic button down shirt. Sweat dries very easily and provides good coverage from sun. But I look white AF, especially with a wide brimmed hat. Imagine the modern version of what British dudes would wear going on safari. I wore that once when visiting a Korean AAMP in the Bay Area whom I'd known for a long time and she said quite directly "you look like a white guy today."

T-shirts and jeans made from cotton don't deal with sweat well but maybe they blend in and reduce my chances of getting mugged.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2674420]For one, I find racism to be rampant in Medellin. Basically, the darker your skin, the less "desirable" you are. But at the same time, it's not as malicious and evil as say what you might find in the USA, certainly back in the day. I haven't figured it out, no one asked me and why should they?

The current state of racism in Medellin is more overt compared to the USA, but at the same time more superficial and less malignant. Perhaps this is because Colombia is at that tipping point of becoming a developed nation, so the impacts of racism are still mainly cultural and not financial. Really shooting from the hip here.[/QUOTE]You shooting from the hip? LOL.

Perhaps I'm blind, and not cognizant of my surroundings, but racism being rampant in Medellin. I don't think so.

But classism is another animal, and I would characterize it as being rampant, especially in the upper Strata neighborhoods such as in Poblado.

Two examples to illustrate my point. A few years back I was with one of my Chicas in Provenza with some friends, and when I introduced my Chica in a gathering we were attending, she was asked by another Chica what barrio she lived in, and when she said Paris, a strata level 1 barrio, this Chica and her friends gave my Chica the cold shoulder. My friends even commented as to how cold some of the people at the gathering were to my Chica.

Another time when I was looking at a property in Poblado, the sales agent had brought an attorney along, and when I pointed across the valley to Bellen, and asked about that area as a neighborhood, the attorney made disparaging remarks about "those people."

Classism in my opinion is more prevalent here versus racism, as I have never noticed it, at least not yet.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2674204]Yes tipping that extra 30 k would have destroyed you and her respect for you, lmao.

That's funny imo.

If "mind blowing service" doesn't qualify for a little extra, than I guess nothing does. LOL.

Nothing wrong with showing a little kindness actually, and in reality you would gain a little more respect.

All this talk of these girls that do swindle, lie, rob, deceive, etc, etc.

Showing a little appreciation to a genuine girl is not a bad thing if you're not overboard and a fool about it.

Just my humble opinion, and that's how I go about it all.

Good Karma and Respect.[/QUOTE]I think I remember you from the rio forum, you're in your mid 60's if I remember correctly?

I'm roughly a little more than half your age. We have different M. O. s, and I respect your perspective.

She's a girl I repeat with, so yea, that tip would have absolutely changed the dynamic. She would then expect an extra 30 k everytime.

not to mention, if i get this mind blowing service from my regulars 4-6x in a. week, im suppoosed to give in and tip that extra 30k everythime according to your reasoning? it's absurd.

If you read my posts in the past, I have tipped when I don't plan on repeating with them for whatever reason. Because the 30 k to me is nothing but to them it's a day or two of food.

But I would say as a rule of thumb, your advice shouldn't be followed by mongers here if they receive "mind blowing service". Only in certain circumstances, or else it fucks up the whole dynamic.

yesterday a spinner in botero wanted 35k + 6 room, i paid room, i only had two 20k on me and gave it to her. she was going to give me change and i said keep it. i also paid before. ohno! service was very good.

And as far as kindness goes, the 15 min massages I give and DATY go a long way, especially when the typical local 50 yo guy treats them like sex dolls and not people.

Best.

Jw.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2673867]Just checked with a couple Paisa friends who burn regularly and no you can't just smoke on the street legally. It does happen all the time but it's NOT legal. Cops use their discretion. It would cause a riot to bust a group of Colombians smoking but one Gringo is a no brainer. Even in Park Periodista where I go often, everyone is openly smoking but when cops come by they put the joints out. Don't listen to the bad advice given by another guy here. Let him go out on La 70 or any other street and smoke a joint in front of the police and tell them what he told you to say. Let's see what he reports back. Be smart and. Be safe.[/QUOTE]As someone who smokes blunts everywhere, all day, on the streets, it is definitlay not legal to smoke in public and the police will f with you if they see you.

But it's not a big deal.

I've been stopped a few times and I just play dumb. I was stopped last week walking back from raudul corner next to the parking lot behind the museum by two cops that snuck by on moto. They asked for my passport, I showed, I told them I see all the homeless smoking crack around me and though it was legal to smoke weed, they asked if I had anything else on me, i emptied my pockets (had three more blunts in my underwear since i just bought.. always hide lol)..and they just said don't do it again and left.

i was also stopped more memorably by the santa fe bus stop on calle 23 i think, on the platform waitfing for the transmillenio. just random pat down thing. had 2 grams of blow in my sock, and a blunt in my pocket. the cop took the joint, asked. if i had more, i said no, and he said have a good day. luckily didnt check my socks but i always have 150-250k spare on me in case of a pay off needed. but they're really just looking for dealers.

You won't get a hard time or anything unless you're an asshole to the cops or are carrying serious weight. Just use street smarts. and yes, when im at periodisista or parque boston where there are dozens of ppl smoking, when a cop comes, they all put it out.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2674637]As someone who smokes blunts everywhere, all day, on the streets, it is definitlay not legal to smoke in public and the police will f with you if they see you.

But it's not a big deal.

I've been stopped a few times and I just play dumb. I was stopped last week walking back from raudul corner next to the parking lot behind the museum by two cops that snuck by on moto. They asked for my passport, I showed, I told them I see all the homeless smoking crack around me and though it was legal to smoke weed, they asked if I had anything else on me, i emptied my pockets (had three more blunts in my underwear since i just bought.. always hide lol)..and they just said don't do it again and left.

i was also stopped more memorably by the santa fe bus stop on calle 23 i think, on the platform waitfing for the transmillenio. just random pat down thing. had 2 grams of blow in my sock, and a blunt in my pocket. the cop took the joint, asked. if i had more, i said no, and he said have a good day. luckily didnt check my socks but i always have 150-250k spare on me in case of a pay off needed. but they're really just looking for dealers.

You won't get a hard time or anything unless you're an asshole to the cops or are carrying serious weight. Just use street smarts. and yes, when im at periodisista or parque boston where there are dozens of ppl smoking, when a cop comes, they all put it out.[/QUOTE]Good first hand experience and common sense approach. The cops there are ok for the most part and if you treat them well and with respect things should go well. It is illegal to smoke in public so a word to the wise should be sufficient. Helps to speak a little Spanish and if you're a senior like me, that helps too. The advice the one guy gave would only bring trouble. Anyway, times with weed and NO money get you through better than times of money and NO weed. I'll be back in a couple months. If you're still around we will chat since not too many gringos go there, at least not at night. But one last thing, the other stuff popular there is a tougher situation.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2674595]You shooting from the hip? LOL.

Perhaps I'm blind, and not cognizant of my surroundings, but racism being rampant in Medellin. I don't think so.

But classism is another animal, and I would characterize it as being rampant, especially in the upper Strata neighborhoods such as in Poblado.

Two examples to illustrate my point. A few years back I was with one of my Chicas in Provenza with some friends, and when I introduced my Chica in a gathering we were attending, she was asked by another Chica what barrio she lived in, and when she said Paris, a strata level 1 barrio, this Chica and her friends gave my Chica the cold shoulder. My friends even commented as to how cold some of the people at the gathering were to my Chica.

Another time when I was looking at a property in Poblado, the sales agent had brought an attorney along, and when I pointed across the valley to Bellen, and asked about that area as a neighborhood, the attorney made disparaging remarks about "those people..[/QUOTE]Good call.

I checked the map street view to see if I maybe know the place by another name. I don't. I noticed a tell tale sign that it is a venue of interest. The house number on the building is 4 or 5 times bigger than the house number on any other building on the mostly residential street. That is a common technique used for several purposes. It makes the place easier to find, and it promotes good neighbor relations because it stops punters ringing the doorbells of nearby buildings looking for the venue.

[QUOTE=Tomcat88;2674465]Thanks, Nil Admirarl, for report on Gisell Barra Dance. I like that kind of place and those kind of chicas, although 400 mil an hour is very high. Did you notice what drinks cost?

Near me is a nightclub called 25-29 Girls Club. I learned of it by picking up one of several cards discarded on a quiet residential street miles away. It is located on Cra. 70 at # 25-29. It has a website that keeps being updated. There used to be a catalog of chicas at about 150 mil per 45 minutes, but I couldn't find it tonight. There is a complete pricelist of drinks, however, domestic beers at 10 mil and lots of bottled liquor.

I've never stopped in. Has anyone?

I have a theory that sex is for sale everywhere in Medellin. I am always looking for where.[/QUOTE]

That is funny - "you look like a white guy today." Graphic t-shirts with jeans and baseball cap is what most of the 30 and under crowd wear. Age 30 to 50 is the same uniform with polo shirts replacing the graphic t-shirts. Age 50 and up is your alternative attire with a short sleeve shirt without the button down collar. Except at midday or midsummer, you won't do much sweating here unless you are hiking in direct sunlight.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2674589]The alternative attire for me would be what I would wear hiking in a warm climate. Thin synthetic khakis plus a thin synthetic button down shirt. Sweat dries very easily and provides good coverage from sun. But I look white AF, especially with a wide brimmed hat. Imagine the modern version of what British dudes would wear going on safari. I wore that once when visiting a Korean AAMP in the Bay Area whom I'd known for a long time and she said quite directly "you look like a white guy today."

T-shirts and jeans made from cotton don't deal with sweat well but maybe they blend in and reduce my chances of getting mugged.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2674595]You shooting from the hip? LOL.
Perhaps I'm blind, and not cognizant of my surroundings, but racism being rampant in Medellin. I don't think so.
[/QUOTE]I think you are both correct. There is a lot of racism and classism.

I live with a coloured family and they experience a lot of racism. Many other coloureds and blacks have told me the same.

One crazy little tale is this. The uncle of my GF is white and lives in Miami. He provides an apartment for his mother (my GFs grandma) in Envigado. He will not allow my GFs sisters to live with their grandma in his apartment bcos they are coloured (same as his sister).

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2674637]As someone who smokes blunts everywhere, all day, on the streets, it is definitlay not legal to smoke in public and the police will f with you if they see you.

But it's not a big deal.

I've been stopped a few times and I just play dumb.[/QUOTE]You have to know with who and when you can get away with what. You also have to know when to play the dumb foreigner. Situational awareness is what it is. Some people must have hard and fast rules to go by and others know how to enjoy the flexibility.

I totally agree. Classism is rampant. Over the many years, I have seen it often. Try taking a barrio girl to Poblado, even if she is dress nice (I. E. , not like a working girl). The upper class look down on the lower class and, in general, they look down on us because they make assumptions (which, in my case, are correct assumptions. That I am a monger).

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2674595]

But classism is another animal, and I would characterize it as being rampant, especially in the upper Strata neighborhoods such as in Poblado.

Two examples to illustrate my point. A few years back I was with one of my Chicas in Provenza with some friends, and when I introduced my Chica in a gathering we were attending, she was asked by another Chica what barrio she lived in, and when she said Paris, a strata level 1 barrio, this Chica and her friends gave my Chica the cold shoulder. My friends even commented as to how cold some of the people at the gathering were to my Chica.

Another time when I was looking at a property in Poblado, the sales agent had brought an attorney along, and when I pointed across the valley to Bellen, and asked about that area as a neighborhood, the attorney made disparaging remarks about "those people."

Classism in my opinion is more prevalent here versus racism, as I have never noticed it, at least not yet.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2674635]I think I remember you from the rio forum, you're in your mid 60's if I remember correctly?

I'm roughly a little more than half your age. We have different M. O. s, and I respect your perspective.

She's a girl I repeat with, so yea, that tip would have absolutely changed the dynamic. She would then expect an extra 30 k everytime.

not to mention, if i get this mind blowing service from my regulars 4-6x in a. week, im suppoosed to give in and tip that extra 30k everythime according to your reasoning? it's absurd.

If you read my posts in the past, I have tipped when I don't plan on repeating with them for whatever reason. Because the 30 k to me is nothing but to them it's a day or two of food.

But I would say as a rule of thumb, your advice shouldn't be followed by mongers here if they receive "mind blowing service". Only in certain circumstances, or else it fucks up the whole dynamic.

yesterday a spinner in botero wanted 35k + 6 room, i paid room, i only had two 20k on me and gave it to her. she was going to give me change and i said keep it. i also paid before. ohno! service was very good.

And as far as kindness goes, the 15 min massages I give and DATY go a long way, especially when the typical local 50 yo guy treats them like sex dolls and not people.

Best.

Jw.[/QUOTE]I spend lots of time in Brazil as well, yes.

Mid 50's.

I don't analyze so much really, and like you, I treat people like people and with kindness, especially when deserved.

Keep doing your thing, I respect that as well. It appears to work well for you.

I take care of those that take care of me, especially when it's above and beyond, but not overboard or foolishly.

I talk to these girls, they know that I'm not a fool.

No respect lost.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Thunder01;2674425]I read on a report that Dorado La 70 was chica friendly. However, there are tons of disco techs and bars here but seeing nothing of chicas. Did I misread something or just need to wait till the night or what? TIA![/QUOTE]And you will see very few if any gringo's inside. Usually one or two of the discos will dominate and the others sometimes are near empty. Th, FR, and Sa nights are hopping. Cheaper to buy a bottle than individual drinks if you are buying more than four. The dominant discos fluctuate over weeks as the crowd grow bored and moves for a change. They play the music loud even by and. American standards. Girls go out in groups and are definitely fair game but don't take a monger's attitude that it is a slam dunk. If you don't know Spanish, it can be a challenge. For my first time, I would take a date or a wingman or try to go with or join a group of locals but of course I have no idea how you roll. Ostee Ouuuuut.

In the past there has been discussion about how FB chicas and others are constantly late or do not show up. Some say that it is just part of the culture in Medellin while others have argued that this is not true. I found an article discussing Big Tech companies that had started offices in Medellin but then actually pulled out of Medellin and one of the major reasons that they gave was that even executives would either consistently be late to meetings or not show up at all. This article is long and the quote is pretty deep into the article.

PanTrek's Feldsott states, "Conducting business in Medellin became nearly impossible. Whether meeting with a top level executive or counterpart, I learned to expect the person would inevitably show up late or not at all. Things move extremely slowly, and it makes doing business nearly impossible. ".

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[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2674790]And you will see very few if any gringo's inside. Usually one or two of the discos will dominate and the others sometimes are near empty. Th, FR, and Sa nights are hopping. Cheaper to buy a bottle than individual drinks if you are buying more than four. The dominant discos fluctuate over weeks as the crowd grow bored and moves for a change. They play the music loud even by and. American standards. Girls go out in groups and are definitely fair game but don't take a monger's attitude that it is a slam dunk. If you don't know Spanish, it can be a challenge. For my first time, I would take a date or a wingman or try to go with or join a group of locals but of course I have no idea how you roll. Ostee Ouuuuut.[/QUOTE]Appreciate it. Have had a little luck here. A ton off mileroticos in this area. Found a great Pizza place. But have been other places to pick up other chicks.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2675122]In the past there has been discussion about how FB chicas and others are constantly late or do not show up. Some say that it is just part of the culture in Medellin while others have argued that this is not true. [/QUOTE]In the Bogota thread, I talk about 80% no shows rates for my Seeking dates. It took me a month in Bogota of regular, non-pro dating to realize that when a girl says.

"Hey, lets have coffee this evening. " it means nothing. I've had so many girls match me on Tinder, ask me for my WhatsApp, ask when we can meet, and then give me radio silence.

After a month of pursuing normal pussy, (I banged 6 civvies in just over a month) I gave up. It just wasn't worth the bother. And I turned to the dark side of mongering. And I love it.

Having travelling to many different parts of the world, and lived on 3 continents, I am a firm believer that there is a strong correlation between how successful a country is, and how punctual it's general population are. People in the Western world value their and other people's time, so understand the need to be reliable and on time; developing countries on the other hand.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2675122]In the past there has been discussion about how FB chicas and others are constantly late or do not show up.[/QUOTE]I used to find Colombians pretty reliable as far as showing up. During this trip I have realized that has gone to total shit. And I am even talking about normal chicks that I already knew.

One story out of at least 20 since I have been here the past 3 weeks. Lawyer chick that I mess with (or did as I have blocked her now) told me to come to her house. She lives far. When I get there at noon her brother tells me she was just standing right where you are 1 minute ago. I have no idea where she went. I call and call and call and message while standing in the burning sun but no answer.

I go back to my place. She sends a message talking about she is at the bank right around the corner from where I am staying. I said I guess that means you are coming here when you leave there since I have already wasted 35 K and 2 hours going to your house. No answer until the next day. Looks like from now on I will be spending more time in Brazil where this kind of BS is not happening.

The culture and especially the chicas here are living and breathing proof of Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. That is, the rate at which time passes depends on your frame of reference. I am serious as a heart attack on this.

Furthermore, to assume that how the culture here in Medellin relates to time is somehow inferior to the way we use time in other parts of the world, especially and including the United States, would be a misstep in my opinion.

Bad for business? Perhaps, but I will not concede that point.

In fact, I could argue, but I won't at this "time" that the rest of the world should follow Medellin's example, instead of the other way around. This is one of the main reasons we say, "Medellin is Magic."

Some recent gratuitous fotos from the last 24 hours.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2674825]I don't think she played me as much as she really was going for the boyfriend angle. I told her I did not need another girlfriend, but I am usually available for a working girl who delivers. This is also another good example of why I love my Top Ten List of girls. Dependable, affectionate, predictable, on-time performers who I know I can trust.[/QUOTE]I am not sure it was the BF angle. I met a Mexican girl from seeking in Mexico City, and it was one of the best sexual nights of my life, I was looking forward to seeing her again. I came back and was there four days. I was looking forward to meeting her, but I got cancellations from her on days 1 and day 2. She was doing the Lucy thing of pulling back the football at the last minute and on day 3, I was done.

On day 4, she finally sees me, comes over, and I literally spent like an hour with her, and the sex was a shell of what it was. I told her I had to leave the country but in reality, I had a different girl I wanted to see.

She texted me later and said, "I am sorry this weekend did not end up like either of us wanted." I did not respond. I wanted to text, "Woman, you got exactly what you wanted. I flew in here and we were on your crazy ass schedule the whole time. Who the fuck do you think you are jerking me around like this?" but I texted nothing. I look at sugaring as an investment and my time is more valuable than money. If I invest my time in you, and you cannot show up, I am out. I can make more money. I cannot make more time.

Now I realize that I was being shit tested, and I think you were too. "Is he going to love me and care about me no matter how I behave? Because I want a man who is going to stand by me on my worst days. " They are sabotaging a relationship before it begins because they know they are going to fuck up in the future. These women want a simp or a guy who is going to discipline them when they are bad and they can claim victim status. Whatever the reason, I am out.

The women who respect my time and money always got the most of both out of me, but it is amazing how few women get that.

Has anyone been to Chica Boom sports bar? I've searched the thread and can't find anything. But their posts have started showing up on my FB thread. Kinda reminded me of the thailand bar photos that would appear on my thread a few years ago, which got me interested. Just curious if anyone has any positive or negative thoughts.

I'm case it's useful. Here's a map from the forosprepagos forum of places to go to in Medellin, it's pretty detailed and mostly legible even if your Spanish is poor. [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/SpRCnsHFLumHWvCt9[/URL].

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2675137]Having travelling to many different parts of the world, and lived on 3 continents, I am a firm believer that there is a strong correlation between how successful a country is, and how punctual it's general population are. People in the Western world value their and other people's time, so understand the need to be reliable and on time; developing countries on the other hand.[/QUOTE]Nah, you are reading it wrong. Colombians are friendly people and they will talk to strangers more often than other people. When it actually comes to showing up, they at first often get cold feet, but that is the same everywhere. When I am arranging meets, if the woman does not text and confirm that day, I assume they will no-show. It is always a good idea to have a backup plan for no shows.

When I have met Colombian women and developed a friendship with them, they are as reliable as anywhere.

The reason Colombia has not done well economically despite its abundant resources is not the work ethic of its people. Last night, I video chatted with my gal, and her daughter was doing home work. She is a teenager, and she was exhausted. She goes to school all day and does 3 hours of homework night after night. Her studies are just as demanding as mine were at that age.

Colombia is poor because the government corruption is horrific. Those officials just steal the country blind.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2675218]Has anyone been to Chica Boom sports bar? I've searched the thread and can't find anything. But their posts have started showing up on my FB thread. Kinda reminded me of the thailand bar photos that would appear on my thread a few years ago, which got me interested. Just curious if anyone has any positive or negative thoughts.[/QUOTE]I've never been there, but I read reviews on various sites. Most reviews are very bad. Watered down drinks and padded tabs. Appears the waitresses try to get the customers to buy shots for them. 25 mil per shot. IMO, the waitresses are not attractive in the photos on the internet. Several reviewers said they were charged for drinks they didn't order. Customers were told the tab must be over 500 mil to pay with a credit card. Sounds like a place to avoid.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2675174]The culture and especially the chicas here are living and breathing proof of Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. That is, the rate at which time passes depends on your frame of reference. I am serious as a heart attack on this.

Furthermore, to assume that how the culture here in Medellin relates to time is somehow inferior to the way we use time in other parts of the world, especially and including the United States, would be a misstep in my opinion.

Bad for business? Perhaps, but I will not concede that point.

In fact, I could argue, but I won't at this "time" that the rest of the world should follow Medellin's example, instead of the other way around. This is one of the main reasons we say, "Medellin is Magic..[/QUOTE]Not sure what you are driving at here, but if it's about the myth of "Colombian time," IE. Being late is perfectly normal or even expected, "so laid back, tranquillo," I'm always ready to correct it. "Colombian time" only applies to your time, not theirs. Just leave a Colombian waiting and watch your phone blow up in less than a minute. When talking about the girls the same typically applies when they show up early. They want immediate attention.

I see that Patrick's Irish Pub in Poblado has something going on for St. Patrick's Day. Are there any other options to celebrate the holiday in Medellin tonight?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2675408]...Colombia is poor because the government corruption is horrific. Those officials just steal the country blind.[/QUOTE]I thought it was because they don't have a study desk in their homes. Something we take for granted is not easy to find in average home in South America. They also have way too many holidays compared to US. LOL.

The problem I see is that highly skilled workers are not easy to find like in US. You can find them and it is much cheaper but it is like finding diamond in the rough when compared to US.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2675471]I thought it was because they don't have a study desk in their homes.[/QUOTE]Illuminating, nugget, kernel.

And is really wouldn't be so hard or expensive to fix. Thank you.

I will be in Medellin next week arriving in 22nd, looking for pointers for chica friendly place to stay. Any one want to hangout for beer or coffee.

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[QUOTE=Nounce;2675471]I thought it was because they don't have a study desk in their homes. Something we take for granted is not easy to find in average home in South America. They also have way too many holidays compared to US. LOL...[/QUOTE]When I was young, we did not have a study desk at my place. Yet, my dad was tough about doing my homework, and checking grade reports. The man never went to school in his life but he can read numbers and identify good / bad grades. Luckily, by the time I reached high school, my dad had managed to get us a study table for the entire family.

I think also that Latin culture, unlike other cultures, does not emphasize education much.

[QUOTE=BigJo;2675482]I will be in Medellin next week arriving in 22nd, looking for pointers for chica friendly place to stay. Any one want to hangout for beer or coffee.[/QUOTE]I think the Hampton is OK as you only have to walk past the guy on the door, you don't go to reception on 14th floor to get to your room.

Happy to meet for a drink.

I'd disagree about the importance of education in Latin America. A lot of people work hard to get their kids in private sometimes bilingual grade schools and high schools. I met a chica that went to one of those bilingual schools in Medellin. As far as university I think a lot of people study more practical things like business administration, industrial engineering, IT etc. Interestingly throughout Latin America public universities are more prestigious than private ones despite the fact there are strikes often and things take longer at those schools. I'm an archeologist whose worked in Central America and I find that its mostly only the kids of the wealthy or professors kids that study such impractical things as anthropology or literature. The issue at least in Central America was often getting a job after studying. That often required family connections rather than grades / competency. I know less about the situation in Colombia though I suspect its the same.

Now the chicas working as prepagos skew towards less educated, though I've talked to a few that are university students. So you might have a negative bias about education levels based on that.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2675644]When I was young, we did not have a study desk at my place. Yet, my dad was tough about doing my homework, and checking grade reports. The man never went to school in his life but he can read numbers and identify good / bad grades. Luckily, by the time I reached high school, my dad had managed to get us a study table for the entire family.

I think also that Latin culture, unlike other cultures, does not emphasize education much.[/QUOTE]

Put me down for agreeing with Lefeu and not with Recondite. I think that Western European and Asian cultures in particular put more emphasis on formal education than you see in LatAm. The English speaking world is somewhere in between the two. My observations pertain to the entirety of LatAm vs. Colombia in particular, but I would say Colombia puts the least emphasis on education of the six LatAm countries I have lived in.

Main factor being SEA reopening and Chinese and Russian tourists out of the market. Chinese tourists still face serious quarantine requirements upon reentering the country which deter casual travelers. Russians can't do much right now overseas. In terms of general tourism, Chinese are the top tourist source in Thailand and #2 in the Philippines. Russians were the #3 source to Thailand in 2017 according to WorldAtlas. It might take time to realize the change but I think guys from North America and Europe will probably start returning to SEA this year given the supply / demand imbalance. So maybe mid year or fall, we'll start seeing foreigner demand ease up in Medellin?

[QUOTE=Tasss;2675902]Main factor being SEA reopening and Chinese and Russian tourists out of the market. Chinese tourists still face serious quarantine requirements upon reentering the country which deter casual travelers. Russians can't do much right now overseas. In terms of general tourism, Chinese are the top tourist source in Thailand and #2 in the Philippines. Russians were the #3 source to Thailand in 2017 according to WorldAtlas. It might take time to realize the change but I think guys from North America and Europe will probably start returning to SEA this year given the supply / demand imbalance. So maybe mid year or fall, we'll start seeing foreigner demand ease up in Medellin?[/QUOTE]I've visited Thailand 3 times, most recently in 2020, just before Covid. Until the "Test and Go" is taken away, I don't think you'll see a massive influx of tourists coming back. If you test positive, you get quarantined for 7 days and they're still testing at the bars. I can't afford a 7 day quarantine during a trip. Plus, there's usually a drop in tourism there this time of year. Maybe when high season returns (November and December), I think you'll see some foreigners return to Thailand.

I'm sure Covid has also permanently changed some tourism. Why get on a 20+ hour flight to Bangkok or the Phillipines when I can be in Medellin in 7. 5 hours, including a layover? I'll eventually return to Thailand, but for convenience, price, and beautiful women, Medellin can't be beat.

After a couple of unsuccessful tries, I will finally travel to Medellin on the week of March 28th.

I'm planning visit energy spa and a couple of strip clubs. I will also look for SW in parque Lleras.

I will greatly appreciate if someone can share me FB girls options.

Will be better be in a Hotel or in a air bnb in "el Poblado" area?

I will share report with the results of the travel.

Hi all,

I am a young local Colombian and my visiting gringo friend wants me to take him to a nice downtown place for at around 4 pn for a good fuck. Any recommendation and pricing?

[QUOTE=Tasss;2675902]Main factor being SEA reopening and Chinese and Russian tourists out of the market. Chinese tourists still face serious quarantine requirements upon reentering the country which deter casual travelers. Russians can't do much right now overseas. In terms of general tourism, Chinese are the top tourist source in Thailand and #2 in the Philippines. Russians were the #3 source to Thailand in 2017 according to WorldAtlas. It might take time to realize the change but I think guys from North America and Europe will probably start returning to SEA this year given the supply / demand imbalance. So maybe mid year or fall, we'll start seeing foreigner demand ease up in Medellin?[/QUOTE]A lot of guys prefer Asians and will return there when the countries open back up. That will lesson demand in Medellin.

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[QUOTE=Tasss;2675902]It might take time to realize the change but I think guys from North America and Europe will probably start returning to SEA this year given the supply / demand imbalance. So maybe mid year or fall, we'll start seeing foreigner demand ease up in Medellin?[/QUOTE]I think it's going to be a function of airfare and entry / return restrictions.

Colombia requires you to be vaccinated and use their website.

Thailand requires you to be vaccinated, use their website, stay in a SHA hotel for a day and get tested and face a 14 day quarantine with a positive result or stay in a SHA for a week in a sandbox.

If the restrictions were the same, you'd see more travel elsewhere (perhaps with people steering clear of Eastern Europe). Until that happens, people will go where it's easiest.

[QUOTE=ColBoxer;2676020]Hi all,

I am a young local Colombian and my visiting gringo friend wants me to take him to a nice downtown place for at around 4 pn for a good fuck. Any recommendation and pricing?[/QUOTE]Grille Nueva across from Botero Plaza. The hotter chicas charge 60 to 80 mil for a 30 minute session including the room. I've never paid 80 myself but some friends have. The chicas will charge what they think you will pay.

BTW I wouldn't call any of the el centro places "nice".

Staying in Poblado right now. Going in several days of two week trip and will post full update at the end but wanted to say that I just came back from La Isla on a Friday night. Can concur that there is increased demand and it was kinda a sausage fest and girls were entitled. Center stage had some good performances but overpriced overall. Now they are charging 30 mil entrance and 350 mil. Also my hotel is charging an arm and leg for guest fee, but I prefer the service here. Maybe will try FB, but I feel like weekends are worse than weekdays. Not bad start. Colombia is relatively cheap.

[QUOTE=Jay0940;2675965] I'm sure Covid has also permanently changed some tourism. Why get on a 20+ hour flight to Bangkok or the Phillipines when I can be in Medellin in 7. 5 hours, including a layover? I'll eventually return to Thailand, but for convenience, price, and beautiful women, Medellin can't be beat.[/QUOTE]The reality as you mention, is that COVID has most definitely put Medellin on the map as a major mongering destination, one of the cheapest on the planet besides Africa and India.

I know guys who used to rave about the Philippines and Thailand, but after coming to Medellin during the Pandemic, they are in no hurry to go back to Asia for not only the reasons you mentioned, but also because it's so inexpensive.

Unfortunately though, I have noticed a downturn of prettier Chicas in Centro as of lately. There seems to be fewer and fewer of them working (primarily Vennies), and lots of fat and pugy Chicas, whom I call fuglies.

Apparently, in talking with some of the Vennies in Centro, things are getting better in Venezuela, hence fewer of them are coming or spending as much time here, albeit lots of them working here now reside in Colombia.

I think the provider supply far exceeds the demand from Colombians and foreigners. Looking beyond my Centro rat perspective, has anyone found it harders to get dates since the pandemic? I don't have a lot of first hand experience with facebook and other web sites. When I have used them it has been after meeting women in real life in shops, the metro, and of course the streets of Centro. I guess I notice more gringos than before around Centro. In Poblado, Laureles, Sabaneta etc. There have always been so many I don't really notice a difference. On a related note, the other day I stumbled on one of those youtube videos about "unknown Medellin. " Most of it was filmed in Parque Lleras. I was a little surprised to see a girl working Lleras that I always see whenever I am in Plaza Botero. The point for me is she and others like would definitely miss punters who abandon Medellin for Asia. I don't know anyone who is here full time or even regularly who is paying 300,000 and up to girls in Lleras, whether or not they also work Plaza Botero for 30,000.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2675902]Main factor being SEA reopening and Chinese and Russian tourists out of the market. Chinese tourists still face serious quarantine requirements upon reentering the country which deter casual travelers. Russians can't do much right now overseas. In terms of general tourism, Chinese are the top tourist source in Thailand and #2 in the Philippines. Russians were the #3 source to Thailand in 2017 according to WorldAtlas. It might take time to realize the change but I think guys from North America and Europe will probably start returning to SEA this year given the supply / demand imbalance. So maybe mid year or fall, we'll start seeing foreigner demand ease up in Medellin?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2676309]I think the provider supply far exceeds the demand from Colombians and foreigners. Looking beyond my Centro rat perspective, has anyone found it harders to get dates since the pandemic? I don't have a lot of first hand experience with facebook and other web sites. When I have used them it has been after meeting women in real life in shops, the metro, and of course the streets of Centro. I guess I notice more gringos than before around Centro. In Poblado, Laureles, Sabaneta etc. There have always been so many I don't really notice a difference. On a related note, the other day I stumbled on one of those youtube videos about "unknown Medellin. " Most of it was filmed in Parque Lleras. I was a little surprised to see a girl working Lleras that I always see whenever I am in Plaza Botero. The point for me is she and others like would definitely miss punters who abandon Medellin for Asia. I don't know anyone who is here full time or even regularly who is paying 300,000 and up to girls in Lleras, whether or not they also work Plaza Botero for 30,000.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that for those who are here regularly or reside here, they would not be paying any girls 300 K and up.

As far as girls working both LLeras and Centro, that's been going on for awhile. And as far as punters being missed when they return to Asia, I think they will be most missed in Centro versus thru social media like Fayboo.

As far as more gringos in Centro, it's got to be a minimum of at least 20 times as many as before the Pandemic, and I have previously posted about my frustration (s) with this in my beloved playground! LOL.

And as far as provider supply, it definitely exceeds demand, albeit I think it's gone down a bit as far as Vennies, along with the quality of them.

Provider supply on the Colombian side seems to be pretty constant based on my observations, at least in Centro.

Again, just my observations.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2676213]The reality as you mention, is that COVID has most definitely put Medellin on the map as a major mongering destination, one of the cheapest on the planet[/QUOTE]Or at least it was one of the cheapest. The other day a buddy posted on fb a clip from one of those airport immigration shows. The guy came back in the States from Colombia and I guess they went through his phone. There was talk of paying the connect or bar fine 250 and the girl 500. I do not know if this was dollars or thousand pesos, but either way damn. I think the guy came in from Cartagena. He was saying he does not remember anything because he is an alcoholic and was drunk. They finally had to let him go because they had no evidence that the chicks were not old enough.

I think you are on to something here. I have a bit of anecdotal reports from girls I know from Centro who went back to Venezuela for the Christmas holiday and have not returned. I agree about the quality downturn as well. I find myself lately working my contacts rather than my happy hunting ground of the streets. I hope it's a passing trend.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2676213]The reality as you mention, is that COVID has most definitely put Medellin on the map as a major mongering destination, one of the cheapest on the planet besides Africa and India.

I know guys who used to rave about the Philippines and Thailand, but after coming to Medellin during the Pandemic, they are in no hurry to go back to Asia for not only the reasons you mentioned, but also because it's so inexpensive.

Unfortunately though, I have noticed a downturn of prettier Chicas in Centro as of lately. There seems to be fewer and fewer of them working (primarily Vennies), and lots of fat and pugy Chicas, whom I call fuglies.

Apparently, in talking with some of the Vennies in Centro, things are getting better in Venezuela, hence fewer of them are coming or spending as much time here, albeit lots of them working here now reside in Colombia.[/QUOTE]

All fotos within the last 36 hours. Flying back to the shitshow that is the USA in a couple of weeks.

My fave chub pussy; feet; Double infinite foto of selfie; NNN#3 not sure about the number but hawter than fuck and 18 yo like all of them so far. My wingman threw the bunny ears in my cart at the Dollar Store and I gave him a Scooby Doo but he knew what he was doing. The chicas love them; Pumpkin Pussy swung by my hotel after an honest day's work at Ground Zero.

I have contacted few Facebook based on recommendations here. Flights, hotel all are taken care off. I don't want to be one paying absurd prices and ruining it for others, what are normal prices folks are paying for the Facebook, Lleras park girls. I am arriving on 22nd and staying at San Peters for few days. Interested in meeting for drinks, coffee, dining, info sharing. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Zenigata885;2676129]Staying in Poblado right now. Going in several days of two week trip and will post full update at the end but wanted to say that I just came back from La Isla on a Friday night. Can concur that there is increased demand and it was kinda a sausage fest and girls were entitled. Center stage had some good performances but overpriced overall. Now they are charging 30 mil entrance and 350 mil. Also my hotel is charging an arm and leg for guest fee, but I prefer the service here. Maybe will try FB, but I feel like weekends are worse than weekdays. Not bad start. Colombia is relatively cheap.[/QUOTE]To avoid all the silly high pricing go to El Centro. I'm going to Cartagena with some friends next week but I will go to Medellin either April of May at the latest. Have fun!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2676213]The reality as you mention, is that COVID has most definitely put Medellin on the map as a major mongering destination, one of the cheapest on the planet besides Africa and India.

I know guys who used to rave about the Philippines and Thailand, but after coming to Medellin during the Pandemic, they are in no hurry to go back to Asia for not only the reasons you mentioned, but also because it's so inexpensive.

Unfortunately though, I have noticed a downturn of prettier Chicas in Centro as of lately. There seems to be fewer and fewer of them working (primarily Vennies), and lots of fat and pugy Chicas, whom I call fuglies.

Apparently, in talking with some of the Vennies in Centro, things are getting better in Venezuela, hence fewer of them are coming or spending as much time here, albeit lots of them working here now reside in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Lots of good lookers for a great price this week. I don't know I did 300 k for any four combined. And I was with 15 in the week I was there including two threesomes. The threesomes weren't even 300 k and were multi hours.

Hello fellow punters,

I wanted to share a quick update on my recent trip to Medellin.

Background: I'm a fairly experienced traveler and monger in international cities. I get to travel a few times a year for work and try to take advantage of what is available locally. Since I work during the day, my time for wandering or trying to score talent at local malls, etc is limited.

Even with a work / cultural thing interrupting your day, it is still amazingly easy to score a great time in Medellin. In fact, compared to other cities I've traveled to, Medellin ranks at the top of the list. If there were a scoring system, I give it a solid 8. 5 out of 10, with 10 being the highest.

Medellin has everything a guy could want. Culture. Music. Amazing food. Friendly people. Beautiful women. Young, old. Tall, short. Dark, light. Skinny, fat. If you go to Medellin and you have trouble meeting women, you are doing it wrong. Will knowing Spanish help? Hell yeah it will, but not knowing it doesn't stop you from doing much. And if she's standoffish because you need to use a translator app? Find the next one, she's only a few feet away.

Where I stayed: At first I was going to stay in Parque Ileras, which is the heart of all the evening gal action. But a week before I changed it to Laureles, and I am glad I did. Laureles has some amazing restaurants, bars, stores, and more. I was a block from the Unicentro mall, had two huge supermarkets within a couple of blocks, a big shopping mall, the university around the corner (walked by at lunch one day and saw the nursing students leaving the campus, all dressed in white nursing outfits. I'll never forget that). Parque Ileras is filled with clubs and people, and it can get really really loud. Laureles is much quieter and relaxed more my style and no one hawks you in Laureles. Plus, getting to Parque Lleras, if you want to, is only like $4 via Uber.

Apps and getting around: Taxis are plentiful, and you can use Uber, Didi, or iDriver for cars on demand (I used Uber, but Didi and iDriver seem to have more vehicles available). Depending on where you are staying, plan on it taking about 45 minutes from the airport to your place. You can use the bus and metro system, but with car service so cheap and easily available, I found it easier to use that. I usually rent a bicycle to get around when I am in a city.

Yes, you can rent a bike in Medellin from a local bike shop, just send them an email ahead of time and ask if you can rent one if they don't offer it on their website. Medellin has a lot of bike lanes in some of the areas I was in, but it's not Amsterdam where bike riders have the right of way. In fact, I don't think anything has right of way in Medellin except for cars / motorcycles / trucks. If you are one of those people who go blindly walking through a residential crosswalk thinking cars are going to stop for you, well, you're going to be a hood ornament in short order. Something in the city has right of way, but it sure as hell is not pedestrians. Motorcycles and scooters are a popular way to get around. And if you are an experienced motorcycle rider, you can rent a small bike here for as low as about $8-15 per day. Check out [URL]riderly.com[/URL] for some pricing.

Action: First, I want to give huge props to ISG member Alaska1986, without who none of the extracurricular activities on my trip would have happened as easily as it did. As he noted, Facebook action is a great place to start. First, set up a new account on Facebook (trust me on this, it gets overwhelming). Connect with one of the board members who is connected to Medellin action via FB, go into his friends list and send requests to ones you see and like. I did this before I arrived and had like 175 connections to choose from when I arrived. By the time I left I had 678 connections, and I was only there a week. They all use FB Messenger to chat, and many will switch to WhatsApp if you ask.

You can use FB to set up some action ahead of time, negotiate, etc. Prices are usually in the 200 COP for a couple of hours, depending on what extras you want. But really there is no need to go much higher.

Taking Alaska's advice, my first night I checked in, took a photo from my balcony and posted it to Facebook, saying "my first night in Medellin and I am here alone?" It didn't take long for messages to start coming in.

I replied to a few and was getting prices in the 300-350 k COP range. Too high, and it's not even like you need to haggle much. Just reply "I usually pay 200 for 2 hours" and the prices drop quick. Heck, there were tons of times where they were bringing their own price down without me asking. If she asks you how much you want to spend, simply say 200 k COP for 2 hours, or 400 k COP for the night. She'll take it or leave it.

You might negotiate a bit more for some more out-there extras, or if she says she wants you to pay for the taxi. The taxi is usually no more than 15-20 k COP each way, tops. So if she is asking for 100 k COP extra just to pay for the taxi, that's BS, also, a warning: If a gal asks for a deposit, Don't do it. It's a scam. 100%. They might say "it's for the taxi" and try to get 100 k COP out of you (about $25 USD). This is 100% BS. Or she might say "I need to give it to my manager," or some other bull crap. Whatever the excuse is and I mean whatever it is, it's pure BS. Do not get desperate, do not think "oh, it's only $25. " You're getting worked if you send it, and you will never ever see the girl.

How do I know this? Simple, they tried it on me twice. The first time was a really cute gal, totally my style, but her photos were almost too good to be true. Onlyfans-type stuff. After I arrived in MDE, I message her, we were supposed to meet the first night. She asks me for a deposit. Now, at this point I wasn't aware of this scam, so I was about to send it to her, but before I did I wrote "send me a photo of yourself holding up three fingers. " She sends photos holding up a peace sign. I reply "no, three fingers" and she gets upset, saying "I sent you what you asked for, do you not believe me?" Bingo, that's when I knew it was a scam. I was this close to being ripped off. Now for the visits (links are to the FB profile.

Sunday: Laura Maria. [URL]https://*******.com/2p9eah56[/URL] Photos on FB are real. 200 for 2 hours. Very pretty, but rushed service. Maybe I was tired. No connection, basically just wanted her gone after 30 minutes. Would not repeat.

Monday: Sara Gomez. I wanted to try a service, so I got Sara Gomez from La Celestina (google La Celestina Medellin). Services usually have TONS of gals available, but they will be pricier, although a bit more reliable. La Celestina did not ask for a deposit, and they have a manager who speaks English and uses WhatsApp. Easy to set up. She was great, but at 280 k COP for 2 hours, plus 120 k COP for natural oral, this is a more expensive option. If you want reliable, then spending $100 USD on a service instead of $65 USD is for you. But it won't make a difference in the quality of what you are seeing, in my experience.

Monday #2 - Lina. Lina was a FB gal that I hit it off with. We messaged back and forth for about 45 minutes. Offered to just come over and meet me at my apartment that night said she was not a prepago (prepaid). I figured OK, nothing to lose here, maybe I have to take her out for a bit, but let's see where this goes. Well, suffice to say, we never left the apartment, and used the Rappi app to order a bottle of tequila, some food, and some sodas (Rappi is a must-have app in Medellin). Lina tells me she's only had girlfriends most of her life, and the only other guy she's been with was her baby daddy. True? Probably. All I know is she stayed until 3:30 am and I had an awesome time and it only cost me 20 k cop for her taxi when she left.

Tuesday: Andrea Saldarraga - [URL]https://*******.com/yckjv5ex[/URL] There's something about her look I was loving. Tats, curvy, great smile, hair. Set up two hours with Andrea with a bunch of extras. She started at 250 k COP but would not budge. I ended up spending 350 k COP for 3-4 hours but it was money well spent. The only optional services I didn't get are probably illegal in most countries. Some on this board might think I'm a jerk for spending that much but, I'm going to tell you guys, I made sure she earned it. And if you still have a problem after that, I don't give a single flying F.

Tuesday #2 - Stefania Rojas [URL]https://*******.com/yckz3axv[/URL] - A fine example of a gal who is waaaaayyyyy hotter in person than her FB photos. She was thin (flakita / flaquita), super sexy, 23 years old, tight in all the right places. Does everything I wanted. 200 1-2 hours plus taxi. Would repeat in fact I did the following night with an overnighter for 500 k COP.

Wednesday. Repeat with Stefania.

Thursday. Luisa Marin - [URL]https://*******.com/2p8xvwxy[/URL] 2 hours 200 k COP plus taxi. Pretty gal but kinda bitchy. Noticed her looking away at a lot of other places besides what we were doing. Not a clock watcher, but it was mechanical. I took one for the team here. Would not repeat.

Thursday night Alaska and I went out to Parque Lleras and had a blast. Went to the Irish Pub (it was St. Pat's Day) and to the Berlin Bar. We were there early, around 8 ash, but the action started really picking up by 10 and by 11 to midnight it was mayhem. Everything you can imagine was there even a pregnant gal. We spot her and I goad Alaska to go ask her " cuantos meses?" ("How many months? So he does, and I am practically hurting I am laughing so hard, because she's just matter of fact with her answer "Four months. I got to work. " So yeah, you get everything you can imagine down there. Alaska ended up taking a cute gal from the villages back for a 250 cop all nighter. I do a couple more walks around the block but since I have to up at 6 am for work, I decide to call it a night. Still the people watching alone was worth the trip down there.

Friday night. Repeat with Lina. Hey, if a hot lesbo chick wants to revisit you for some the, you always got to agree.

Guys, Medellin is well worth a trip. I had an awesome time and plan on going back.

[QUOTE=ASUDevil1;2676749]Hello fellow punters,

I wanted to share a quick update on my recent trip to Medellin.......

Guys, Medellin is well worth a trip. I had an awesome time and plan on going back.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the review ASUDevil; a good read. Sounds like you had a great time. I cannot wait to return in May. I might have to do the FaceBook thing.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln2cGP6BVYQ[/URL]

Opinions? Thoughts? Solutions to the growing problem that will bring the end to glory and love of Colombia?

[QUOTE=ASUDevil1;2676749]Hello fellow punters,

I wanted to share a quick update on my recent trip to Medellin.

[/QUOTE]Hi.

Great report. I'm heading there in May, so lots of good intel for my trip.

I couldn't get any of the links to work (yes, I'm replacing the starts with the website name! But I am already friends with Andrea, and she is high up on my list to contact when I arrive.

Could I ask where you stayed? And if you had any issues bringing ladies back? (It sounds like you didn't). I'm still looking for nice accommodation with a balcony.

Also, as you didn't share her link, perhaps you are not prepared to give further info on Lina, which I understand. If you are though, would you be willing to share FB details for her, perhaps by PM? No worries if not.

Forks up!

I really enjoyed your report. I look forward to reading more so please come back to Medellin.

[QUOTE=ASUDevil1;2676749]Hello fellow punters,

I wanted to share a quick update on my recent trip to Medellin.

Background: I'm a fairly experienced traveler and monger in international cities. I get to travel a few times a year for work and try to take advantage of what is available locally. Since I work during the day, my time for wandering or trying to score talent at local malls, etc is limited.

Even with a work / cultural thing interrupting your day, it is still amazingly easy to score a great time in Medellin. In fact, compared to other cities I've traveled to, Medellin ranks at the top of the list. If there were a scoring system, I give it a solid 8. 5 out of 10, with 10 being the highest.

Medellin has everything a guy could want. Culture. Music. Amazing food. Friendly people. Beautiful women. Young, old. Tall, short. Dark, light. Skinny, fat. If you go to Medellin and you have trouble meeting women, you are doing it wrong. Will knowing Spanish help? Hell yeah it will, but not knowing it doesn't stop you from doing much. And if she's standoffish because you need to use a translator app? Find the next one, she's only a few feet away..[/QUOTE]

I decided to book a flight only 2 days in advance for my birthday to Medellin. I am getting confused with all the conflicting hotel reports I am looking for something cheaper and in a fairly safe area. I don't care if they hold the girls ID's as I know the risks of this hobby and am fine with it. If someone wanted to rob me they won't get much anyway. I went to Bogota a few months ago and had a great time but I had a chica friendly Airbnb that did not even check ID's and it was planned way in advance. This time I don't even have a return ticket (I have 2 weeks off work extra money and flight credit from another cancelled trip) so I don't even know how long I will be here. And I have to go back to BOG before my flight home anyway.

[QUOTE=ASUDevil1;2676749]I'm a fairly experienced traveler and monger in international cities.[/QUOTE]Strong work.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2676815]Hi.

Great report. I'm heading there in May, so lots of good intel for my trip.

I couldn't get any of the links to work (yes, I'm replacing the starts with the website name! But I am already friends with Andrea, and she is high up on my list to contact when I arrive.

Could I ask where you stayed? And if you had any issues bringing ladies back? (It sounds like you didn't). I'm still looking for nice accommodation with a balcony.

Also, as you didn't share her link, perhaps you are not prepared to give further info on Lina, which I understand. If you are though, would you be willing to share FB details for her, perhaps by PM? No worries if not.

Forks up![/QUOTE]Send me a PM, I'll send you my Facebook link so you can send me a request. Then you'll find all the gals I mentioned in my friends list.

[QUOTE=ASUDevil1;2676749]Hello fellow punters,

I wanted to share a quick update on my recent trip to Medellin.

Background: I'm a fairly experienced traveler and monger in international cities. I get to travel a few times a year for work and try to take advantage of what is available locally. Since I work during the day, my time for wandering or trying to score talent at local malls, etc is limited.

Even with a work / cultural thing interrupting your day, it is still amazingly easy to score a great time in Medellin. In fact, compared to other cities I've traveled to, Medellin ranks at the top of the list. If there were a scoring system, I give it a solid 8. 5 out of 10, with 10 being the highest.

Medellin has everything a guy could want. Culture. Music. Amazing food. Friendly people. Beautiful women. Young, old. Tall, short. Dark, light. Skinny, fat. If you go to Medellin and you have trouble meeting women, you are doing it wrong. Will knowing Spanish help? Hell yeah it will, but not knowing it doesn't stop you from doing much. And if she's standoffish because you need to use a translator app? Find the next one, she's only a few feet away.

Where I stayed: At first I was going to stay in Parque Ileras, which is the heart of all the evening gal action. But a week before I changed it to Laureles, and I am glad I did. Laureles has some amazing restaurants, bars, stores, and more. I was a block from the Unicentro mall, had two huge supermarkets within a couple of blocks, a big shopping mall, the university around the corner (walked by at lunch one day and saw the nursing students leaving the campus, all dressed in white nursing outfits. I'll never forget that). Parque Ileras is filled with clubs and people, and it can get really really loud. Laureles is much quieter and relaxed more my style and no one hawks you in Laureles...[/QUOTE]If you're having trouble with another of the links in my review, replace the * icons with "******* ".

[QUOTE=ASUDevil1;2676749]Hello fellow punters,

I wanted to share a quick update on my recent trip to Medellin.

Background: I'm a fairly experienced traveler and monger in international cities. I get to travel a few times a year for work and try to take advantage of what is available locally. Since I work during the day, my time for wandering or trying to score talent at local malls, etc is limited.

Even with a work / cultural thing interrupting your day, it is still amazingly easy to score a great time in Medellin. In fact, compared to other cities I've traveled to, Medellin ranks at the top of the list. If there were a scoring system, I give it a solid 8. 5 out of 10, with 10 being the highest..[/QUOTE]I did hook up with two FB that I have had forever but they are in my normal FB. I heard from a couple other people that since COVID this was a good way to meet up. May try the new Facebook later as well. Glad you had a good time. Colombia has always been a huge hit for me!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2676213]The reality as you mention, is that COVID has most definitely put Medellin on the map as a major mongering destination, one of the cheapest on the planet besides Africa and India.

I know guys who used to rave about the Philippines and Thailand, but after coming to Medellin during the Pandemic, they are in no hurry to go back to Asia for not only the reasons you mentioned, but also because it's so inexpensive.

Unfortunately though, I have noticed a downturn of prettier Chicas in Centro as of lately. There seems to be fewer and fewer of them working (primarily Vennies), and lots of fat and pugy Chicas, whom I call fuglies.

Apparently, in talking with some of the Vennies in Centro, things are getting better in Venezuela, hence fewer of them are coming or spending as much time here, albeit lots of them working here now reside in Colombia.[/QUOTE]I agree with you and others that I feel like Centro has declined the most between 2019 and late 2021, which was my last visit to MDE. FB scene hasn't been affected as much except for general price inflation. Maybe it's because a lot of guys don't know the FB scene and FB girls don't work the streets, so they're separate markets. As I said in one of my previous reports, last time I went to Centro, I saw a few small groups of middle age to older gringos drinking beer and talking on the benches, like you'd see in the SEA bars, something I never expected to see in Medellin.

I feel like if someone's never been to Colombia, it's a real novelty at first. The girls here are more beautiful, but like all things, if you come a lot you will get used to it eventually. Additionally there are a few things I miss from the Angeles City that'll probably bring me back there.

- Girls in AC understand basic English so it's easier to communicate simple instructions and to get to know each other at a basic level.

- Long time in AC costs a little less than TLN in MDE.

- No waiting in AC, you can get action almost any time you want.

- Thin Colombian girls usually don't have boobs, whereas be to see cups on thin girls are more common in the Fils.

- Safety in AC is way better. Generally the worst in AC is having some money stolen, but the threat of physical violence, getting drugged etc is minimal.

- Girls who work FB and Centro often do it for a few years. Girls in AC have lower mileage on average and seem more genuinely interested in the guys they meet.

I'm from the west of the US, so MNL is 5 hours further than MDE, a very bearable difference.

[QUOTE=Cam442;2676811][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln2cGP6BVYQ[/URL]

Opinions? Thoughts? Solutions to the growing problem that will bring the end to glory and love of Colombia?[/QUOTE]The first solution is to stop watching horrible videos put out by people who can't manage to put together a simple sentence. He took 10 minutes to cover 30 seconds worth of material.

Next, don't panic. Parque Lleras is a tiny part of Medellin and it doesn't appeal to most mongers. The guys who spend all of their time in Parque Lleras aren't interested in the rest of Medellin. The only effect they will have is to lower the quality of the entertainment in Parque Lleras while raising the price in Parque Lleras.

Besides, Parque Lleras has been in a serious decline for the past 2 years. More than any other area in Medellin, Parque Lleras depends on the tourist spending and Covid took most of that away. Last year half of the businesses in the area were shut down. The only places which seemed to be thriving were the ones most commonly frequented by gringos.

Or, just skip all that and use this easy solution:

Don't be part of the problem. Treat people right. Don't assume that every woman is a hooker. Be straightforward with your intentions.

[QUOTE=Cam442;2676811][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln2cGP6BVYQ[/URL]

Opinions? Thoughts? Solutions to the growing problem that will bring the end to glory and love of Colombia?[/QUOTE]There are many guys in MDE I void talking to in the park cause first thing they'll do is point a camera in your face without asking to put on Youtube. That prob ruined Sosua, Pataya and now Colombia. Actually it's getting so bad today I was just talking to a buddy I travel with we need to find new low key spots and stay away from mainstream hotspots where you have too many unemployed youtubers and cams LOL. This shit is becoming a serious prob all over.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2676881]I was fucking in cowgirl position a couple of nights ago, on my back with my legs close together. My right nut popped up and rested on my pubic bone and at the same time the girl came down hard with her pubic bone. My nut got squished between two bones and the full weight of her body. Youch. At the moment all I did was let out a little groan, spread my legs a little and push my right ball back down. I remember thinking that's going to hurt later, but more than I expected.Probably hard to tell but the foto is a vertical shot of my nut sack, my fingers are around my left ball, the right one is at the bottom of the foto. I am sitting. The swollen right nut is still about one and a half times bigger that the left, but it's getting better and hurting less in the last few hours.[/QUOTE]You give new meaning to the term "nut job", LOL.

Yes, there are some occupational hazards besides contracting an STD in the sport we partake in.

A friend of mine was out of commission for a week after a Chica scratched his Johnson. She had long sharp fingernails, and by accident they cut his Johnson up, with open cuts that bleed a bit, scabbed over, and took a week to heal.

I personally stay clear of Chicas with braces, my fear being getting sliced up and being out of commission.

Just imagine a guy showing up for a week of activities in Medellin, and than getting sidelined by a freak type of injury to their Johnson. Now that would be a bummer.

Perhaps no different than a football player, you need to start wearing a jock strap with a hole cut in it for your Johnson, which will hopefully keep your balls from flapping around and potentially getting crushed again, ouch! LOL.

I haven't been quiet about the influx of gringos to mde in the past, but it's def overblown. Stay outside poblado and you rarely if ever see a gringo besides ground zero.

Even then, I don't think it changes the prices. Sure some casas went up 5 k but I think that's just inflation, and even then the vast majority of gringos need to use a translator to talk, girls find that annoying ime.

Ime, it won't change market dynamics. Sure. Sw can ask you for 50 k +20 k tip as gringos give them, but just don't give it to them LOL. Almost any girl will go for 30 k + room in ground zero, esp coffee girls.

There just isn't enough demand from gringos to permanently jack up prices.

And even though it's not that dangerous, 4-5 wrong turns in el centro and you're in the middle of the mde equivalent of cracklandia which isn't for the faint of heart, IE the college europeans you see on guided tours in botero.

Tldr, the gringo situation is overblown and shouldn't be a problem, it probably peaked late last year.
the VRR (vennie replacement rate) is still just ridiculous. So many new college age girls arriving everyday, there arent enough nuts to satisfy them alll,

theyre just so sweet and feminine and genuine, the vennies, unlike american girls. you can make that connection with them where you feel like youre falling for them, there really is no place like mde. in fact im going to cab it to botero and find one right now.
best.
jw

Gringos in El Centro increased perhaps by 200-300 percent in the last two years. Before 2020, and especially before 2015, there were few gringos there. Also the behavior and social background tend to be different. Now many gringos hang around and talk loud at Plaza Bolivar while the pre-covid gringos use to keep low profile. Some of the guys are argumentative with locals and they were kicked out of the hotels and restaurants, and some of them were arrested. Most of the gringos in the last decade were professionals with college degree or advanced degrees. A majority of El Centro gringos today are high school graduates, very few speak Spanish, and many of them are anti=vaxxers.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2677054]Tldr, the gringo situation is overblown and shouldn't be a problem, it probably peaked late last year. [/QUOTE]For guys like you, me, and a few others on this board, the "gringos" aren't a problem. I stay clear of them, of which a lot of them have a beer in one hand, and a smoke in the other hand, aka like in Thailand and the Philippines.

But the onslaught of them since the Pandemic has tarnished a lot of the Chica's in El Centro.

A few days ago a Chica quoted me 100 K for a rato with no discussion of what was included. I started laughing at her, told her I wasn't a fool, and walked away. And she was no beauty queen either.

My point is, there are a lot of "gringos" paying way more than the locals do. And there are a lot of Chica's specifically looking for gringo clients, which I give them credit for, as I would if I was in this profession.

I remember years ago before there were many gringos here at all that there was little of the bullshit that some of the Chicas try to pull these days.

Yes, there can always be problems with Chicas, but it's taken on a new dimension since the Pandemic.

And for a lot of the newbie mongers here, they just think it's normal not knowing any better.

Just my take on things.

Hello fellow mongers,

It's been a while since I posted a report in this forum. I have kept my mongering on the low in the past few years, but I had an experience I needed to share with you folks.

I have been doing quick visits in Medellin and seeing a couple of my regular girls that I met thru ads in Mileroticos and Photoprepagos. My last trip was in February, I was looking forward to spending some time with them but one of them left me hanging. So I decided to try Mileroticos and came across a massage place I have not been to before, called Chicas Luxury, I messaged them and got the address, but for the life of me I could not find it in google maps. So a different girl with a very sultry voice gave me better directions. I got an Uber to take me to the place in a matter of minutes, it was very close to my hotel in Laureles.

I ring the bell and they buzz me in, I get greeted by this beautiful tanned girl in a very revealing 2 piece bikini, with beautiful eyes and welcoming smile, my knees buckle at the sight of her and smile back. I had asked for a Line up on the phone and they showed me all the girls. The only one that I really liked was Loren, the girl that greeted me at the door. There was another that looked really good to me, Liani a real spinner but I didn't feel the chemistry I felt with Loren.

Loren takes me to the room I pay the fee 120 K COP for 1 hour.

She leaves the room for about 2 or 3 minutes, the room is plain with a window that faces the street, there is a massage table in the middle and the bed against the wall opposite the window, I sit on the bed and start taking my clothes off, as she walks in smiling with some rubbers, lubricant and towels for both of us.

She takes off her bra, I stand up from the bed and gently grab her by her waist and pull her towards me. She is even more beautiful in this light, I give her a peck on the lips and she hesitates a little bit, I caress her ass and it feels soft and firm. She is wearing high heels and is medium height, I sit back down and start pulling her bikini bottom off, what a surprise she has the most beautiful full pussy lips and clit that I have seen in a while, I start to lick her standing up with her bikini bottom around her knees, she trembles and tells me to wait for her to sit down, she lays on her back on the back and I proceed to spread her legs and give her DATY, she starts moaning and grabbing my head and asking me to go deeper, she is sooo wet and that just makes me more horny, I lick her pussy, clit and asshole for about 15 minutes till she cums in my face, then we trade places and she gives me oral in the 69 position, I grab her ass and pull her down and get my tongue deep in her, her legs are shaking and I feel like I am going to explode and without warning I cum in her mouth, she gets surprised and laughs about it, grabs the towel to clean me and herself up, then gets up to go get me some water and when she comes back I can smell mouthwash on her breath, we lay there for a few minutes so I can get the energy for my second pop, once she sees I am ready she puts the rubber on and rides me cowgirl, I grab her hips and thrust up in rhythm, then we change to missionary, it feels so good to have her pinned down, then finally doggy where I do my best to cum, but it takes a few minutes till I do and when I finally do, I can't even stand anymore. It has been well over 1 hour since I was with her and we get a light knock on the door, she replies that well be done in a moment, but we lay in bed for another 10 minutes, talking, We get a second knock on the door and that's when I get up and get dressed. I had such a great time with her that I saw her 2 more times the following day.

I enclose a couple of her pictures, for your viewing pleasure and if anyone is interested I have her contact info, just PM me.

Great trip summary man. It was great to have someone to roam with seeing that I'm here 30-45 days, that night in Poblado was great. You are a real beer connoisseur man and like you stated well travelled. I think you figured out the Medellin scene in record time. Like you said no need to give into the girls demands there are so many fish in the sea the demand cannot keep up with the supply right now. Hope our paths cross again!

[QUOTE=ASUDevil1;2676749]Hello fellow punters,

I wanted to share a quick update on my recent trip to Medellin.

Background: I'm a fairly experienced traveler and monger in international cities. I get to travel a few times a year for work and try to take advantage of what is available locally. Since I work during the day, my time for wandering or trying to score talent at local malls, etc is limited.

Even with a work / cultural thing interrupting your day, it is still amazingly easy to score a great time in Medellin. In fact, compared to other cities I've traveled to, Medellin ranks at the top of the list. If there were a scoring system, I give it a solid 8. 5 out of 10, with 10 being the highest.

Medellin has everything a guy could want. Culture. Music. Amazing food. Friendly people. Beautiful women. Young, old. Tall, short. Dark, light. Skinny, fat. If you go to Medellin and you have trouble meeting women, you are doing it wrong. Will knowing Spanish help? Hell yeah it will, but not knowing it doesn't stop you from doing much. And if she's standoffish because you need to use a translator app? Find the next one, she's only a few feet away..[/QUOTE]

Is Medellin still worth travelling too? I am a young guy but I feel like all these new people finding about Medellin seem to be ruining it. I love Latinas more than Asians and its kind of bummer its being overrun by annoying people.

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2677201]Is Medellin still worth travelling too? I am a young guy but I feel like all these new people finding about Medellin seem to be ruining it. I love Latinas more than Asians and its kind of bummer its being overrun by annoying people.[/QUOTE]I've been going once a month por the past year. I have a blast every time I'm there. I'm in my early 30's.

[QUOTE=Xxnegrito;2677160]Hello fellow mongers,

I have been doing quick visits in Medellin and seeing a couple of my regular girls that I met thru ads in Mileroticos and Photoprepagos. My last trip was in February, I was looking forward to spending some time with them but one of them left me hanging. So I decided to try Mileroticos and came across a massage place I have not been to before, called Chicas Luxury, I messaged them and got the address, but for the life of me I could not find it in google maps. So a different girl with a very sultry voice gave me better directions. I got an Uber to take me to the place in a matter of minutes, it was very close to my hotel in Laureles.

.[/QUOTE]Kendal is average in looks but she has a nice pair of natural tits. She is eager to please and asked me afterwards how the service was. I would recommend her if optics are not your highest priority.

I wonder if Luxury is just a booker given that Kendal said she came from Poblado. They update their status regularly on Whatsapp and I have never seen Liani. I did outcall so the price was higher.

Hola! 🥰, gracias por visitar nuestro perfil.

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[QUOTE=JJ1265;2676832]This time I don't even have a return ticket[/QUOTE]Proof of onward travel is required and it's quite likely your airline will not let you board the flight. I use onewayfly dot com to get around this.

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2677201]Is Medellin still worth travelling too? I am a young guy but I feel like all these new people finding about Medellin seem to be ruining it. I love Latinas more than Asians and its kind of bummer its being overrun by annoying people.[/QUOTE]Relax, it's been "popular" online for the past 5 years but the truth is its mostly people talking online. Truth is tourism only makes up like 3% or something, people are still scared to come here and also english not being spoken there popular turns a lot of people away.

It is still worth it coming here. BUT I will say the talent here ebs and flows. I was just here for 2 months and could tell there isn't has much talent as I had seen in the previous years. BUT they are still smoking compared to any US chicks and still don't charge a ton.

Come here you will love it. Just stay away from all the back pakcers.

Folks,

Planning a trip to MDE from pussy prison (a. K. a USA) in mid April on the Easter Weekend.

How is the talent during that time? I don't want to visit there in the leanest time.

Thanks.

Candidly, Semana Santa is not a great week for a newbie to be visiting. Lots of girls will be away with their families or at home with their families, particularly on Thursday and Friday. If you were a veteran and had many contacts, it would not be such a problem. But given you are new, it will make it harder to get girls. I am speaking primarily about FB girls. Other vets can chime in about SW in centro and the casas.

[QUOTE=DogLife;2677246]Folks,

Planning a trip to MDE from pussy prison (a. K. a USA) in mid April on the Easter Weekend.

How is the talent during that time? I don't want to visit there in the leanest time.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DogLife;2677246]Folks,

Planning a trip to MDE from pussy prison (a. K. a USA) in mid April on the Easter Weekend.

How is the talent during that time? I don't want to visit there in the leanest time.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]It will be the leanest time.

[QUOTE=DogLife;2677246]Folks,

Planning a trip to MDE from pussy prison (a. K. a USA) in mid April on the Easter Weekend.

How is the talent during that time? I don't want to visit there in the leanest time.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You're planning your trip during the leanest time.

You convinced me. You should go back to the Philippines. But seriously, the biggest change in Medellin I noticed in the past 15 years is how many more girls freelance off the Internet vs. Casas. I think the casas have declined more than any other scene. Ten years ago the quality at Energy was head and shoulders above the Centro places. Now the biggest difference is the price. As I written more than once, the supply outstrips the demand enough that gringos, pandemics, tour groups, and whatever else doesn't really have a lot of impact on anybody who isn't in weekend warrior mode.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2676885]I agree with you and others that I feel like Centro has declined the most between 2019 and late 2021, which was my last visit to MDE. FB scene hasn't been affected as much except for general price inflation. Maybe it's because a lot of guys don't know the FB scene and FB girls don't work the streets, so they're separate markets. As I said in one of my previous reports, last time I went to Centro, I saw a few small groups of middle age to older gringos drinking beer and talking on the benches, like you'd see in the SEA bars, something I never expected to see in Medellin.

I feel like if someone's never been to Colombia, it's a real novelty at first. The girls here are more beautiful, but like all things, if you come a lot you will get used to it eventually. Additionally there are a few things I miss from the Angeles City that'll probably bring me back there.

- Girls in AC understand basic English so it's easier to communicate simple instructions and to get to know each other at a basic level.

- Long time in AC costs a little less than TLN in MDE.

- No waiting in AC, you can get action almost any time you want.[/QUOTE]

There are many girls who won't have "relaciones" on Easter weekend. So yes, it will be slower than normal but new guy or not it won't be hard to find girls.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2677264]Candidly, Semana Santa is not a great week for a newbie to be visiting. Lots of girls will be away with their families or at home with their families, particularly on Thursday and Friday. If you were a veteran and had many contacts, it would not be such a problem. But given you are new, it will make it harder to get girls. I am speaking primarily about FB girls. Other vets can chime in about SW in centro and the casas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2677201]Is Medellin still worth travelling too? I am a young guy but I feel like all these new people finding about Medellin seem to be ruining it. I love Latinas more than Asians and its kind of bummer its being overrun by annoying people.[/QUOTE]Not a dig at you, but I find it interesting that I've been on numerous forums here (Havana, Medellin, Cali) and there is always talk about new people 'ruining it' for the experienced mongers. Technically, I'm a 'newbie' to Colombia, but I'm an experienced monger. I'd like to think that the target should be non-mongers generally, rather than new people. People who take the time to RTFF and act accordingly, although new, shouldn't be punished for being new.

We were all new once.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2677035]You give new meaning to the term "nut job", LOL.

Yes, there are some occupational hazards besides contracting an STD in the sport we partake in.

A friend of mine was out of commission for a week after a Chica scratched his Johnson. She had long sharp fingernails, and by accident they cut his Johnson up, with open cuts that bleed a bit, scabbed over, and took a week to heal.

I personally stay clear of Chicas with braces, my fear being getting sliced up and being out of commission.

Just imagine a guy showing up for a week of activities in Medellin, and than getting sidelined by a freak type of injury to their Johnson. Now that would be a bummer.

Perhaps no different than a football player, you need to start wearing a jock strap with a hole cut in it for your Johnson, which will hopefully keep your balls from flapping around and potentially getting crushed again, ouch! LOL.[/QUOTE]Four out of my Top Ten girls have braces. No problems so far. Looks like that reflects my predilection for eighteen and over chicas. I think two or three times I had to say "brackets" in the middle of a blowjob and after that it was never an issue. I never give brackets a second thought when scoping out chicas other than to think they may have to work harder with their mouth muscles while giving a blowjob if they have brackets on. Have you seen those "ornaments" for brackets they sell on street carts around Ground Zero? Fluorescent colors.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2677264]Candidly, Semana Santa is not a great week for a newbie to be visiting. Lots of girls will be away with their families or at home with their families, particularly on Thursday and Friday. If you were a veteran and had many contacts, it would not be such a problem. But given you are new, it will make it harder to get girls. I am speaking primarily about FB girls. Other vets can chime in about SW in centro and the casas.[/QUOTE]Absolutely correct info from ColombiaLover. Even today which was St. Joseph's Day the FB girls were not checking their messages. Most businesses were closed down for this religous holiday. Luckily I had a couple contacts to visit me that didn't need to attend family events like most are required. If it's the only time you can come DogLife I would aim for the chicas de Venezuela in el centro. It's just another day for them. Search out the Veracruz street walkers earlier in the day and then by 4 PM you can hit Conjitos and Grille Nueva which are close to each other across from Botero Plaza. Their best girls are usually on site by 4 PM.

But for Colombianas it's probably the "leanest time of year" next to the couple weeks around Christmas. These sexually free spirited chicas are quite religous and their parents are very religous so religous holidays are traditonally spent as special family times together.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2677066]Gringos in El Centro increased perhaps by 200-300 percent in the last two years. Before 2020, and especially before 2015, there were few gringos there. Also the behavior and social background tend to be different. Now many gringos hang around and talk loud at Plaza Bolivar while the pre-covid gringos use to keep low profile. Some of the guys are argumentative with locals and they were kicked out of the hotels and restaurants, and some of them were arrested. Most of the gringos in the last decade were professionals with college degree or advanced degrees. A majority of El Centro gringos today are high school graduates, very few speak Spanish, and many of them are anti=vaxxers.[/QUOTE]I like to go places where there is little to no Gringos. I like the local feel that is untainted. I agree about El Centro and the influx of Simps. A lot hang out in the plaza near the museum and centro comercial. Older guys talking loud with the young chicas drinking and listening to Reggaeton. They really think that they got it going on. LOL. Little do they know that's not "living".

If a chica speaks understandable English, quotes in dollars, hangs out in Poblado regularly she is probably being tainted. Chicas migrate between El Centro and Poblado. A better experience for me is to avoid most Gringo hangouts and areas. I prefer parts of town that cater mostly to locals. The cultural experience is much better, personalities are more genuine and believe it or not the food is more authentic. Commercialized food is not always the answer. Colombian middle class and up are my target areas. The price for everything is lower and the chicas aren't on that Western / USA / Europe bullshyt.

Traveling to mid sized cities is a good idea for avoiding most Gringos. There are all kinds of nice cities in Colombia that have minimal Gringo exposure.

Negrito. Can you share some details about this massage place, Chicas Luxury? Their number or address. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Xxnegrito;2677160]Hello fellow mongers,

It's been a while since I posted a report in this forum. I have kept my mongering on the low in the past few years, but I had an experience I needed to share with you folks.

I have been doing quick visits in Medellin and seeing a couple of my regular girls that I met thru ads in Mileroticos and Photoprepagos. My last trip was in February, I was looking forward to spending some time with them but one of them left me hanging. So I decided to try Mileroticos and came across a massage place I have not been to before, called Chicas Luxury, I messaged them and got the address, but for the life of me I could not find it in google maps. So a different girl with a very sultry voice gave me better directions. I got an Uber to take me to the place in a matter of minutes, it was very close to my hotel in Laureles.

I ring the bell and they buzz me in, I get greeted by this beautiful tanned girl in a very revealing 2 piece bikini, with beautiful eyes and welcoming smile, my knees buckle at the sight of her and smile back. I had asked for a Line up on the phone and they showed me all the girls. The only one that I really liked was Loren, the girl that greeted me at the door. There was another that looked really good to me, Liani a real spinner but I didn't feel the chemistry I felt with Loren..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2677310]Not a dig at you, but I find it interesting that I've been on numerous forums here (Havana, Medellin, Cali) and there is always talk about new people 'ruining it' for the experienced mongers. Technically, I'm a 'newbie' to Colombia, but I'm an experienced monger. I'd like to think that the target should be non-mongers generally, rather than new people. People who take the time to RTFF and act accordingly, although new, shouldn't be punished for being new.

We were all new once.[/QUOTE]100% true. In fact, while in Colombia, Alaska and I were saying that every board on ISG has like three types of posters:

1) The Cucumber. The "I am new help me out" poster.

2) The Sexpert. The "RTFF" poster, who for some reason thinks we all have time to wade through 50 pages of bitching in order to find out one or two simple facts.

3) The Curmudgeon - "this city isn't like it used to be, it used to be much better, it's too expensive now and there are too many people coming here" poster.

I bounce to a lot of different boards on ISG due to my travels (Kyiv, CDMX, Prague, Budapest, Bogota) and it is always the same characters with different names.

It's so much better if you just try to help dudes out and pay it forward. Alaska helped me, I help others, and we all have a good time.

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2677201]Is Medellin still worth travelling too? I am a young guy but I feel like all these new people finding about Medellin seem to be ruining it. I love Latinas more than Asians and its kind of bummer its being overrun by annoying people.[/QUOTE]100% it is worth traveling to. And it's not "overrun." Anyone saying so is just pissed that there are more dudes along the shoreline fishing in what is an incredibly stocked pond.

Go to Medellin. Have fun. Then go to other cities — Bogota, Cali, Cartagena, Rio, San Paulo, Panama City, San Jose, Quinto, Mexico City. The list is endless. Go, have fun, and don't worry about someone else cock-blocking you because it won't happen.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2677320]Absolutely correct info from ColombiaLover. Even today which was St. Joseph's Day the FB girls were not checking their messages. Most businesses were closed down for this religous holiday. Luckily I had a couple contacts to visit me that didn't need to attend family events like most are required. If it's the only time you can come DogLife I would aim for the chicas de Venezuela in el centro. It's just another day for them. Search out the Veracruz street walkers earlier in the day and then by 4 PM you can hit Conjitos and Grille Nueva which are close to each other across from Botero Plaza. Their best girls are usually on site by 4 PM.

But for Colombianas it's probably the "leanest time of year" next to the couple weeks around Christmas. These sexually free spirited chicas are quite religous and their parents are very religous so religous holidays are traditonally spent as special family times together.[/QUOTE]Also I will ad getting alcohol is difficult during this time and also, all the love hotels, casa and strip clubs close down. The whole city is boring for that entire week.

I'll never forget I was here like 2015 during it and I couldn't have felt more bored and isolated. I even had a mini GF at the time and couldn't even smash at Ibiza love hotel. It suckkkedddd!

Hi guys,

I arrived in Medellin yesterday and decided to walk around el Centro at about 4 pm. It had just stopped raining, so maybe there were less people around.

But I felt safe walking around Plaza Botero, because amongst the vagabondas (homeless), there were lots of regular people taking photos around the statues etc. I walked around the streets where the SW's hang out and to be honest, I was seriously disappointed at the quality of the girls. I have pretty low standards, so I wasn't looking for 7's or 8's. Just a normal girl who is a 5 or 6 would be sufficient. Maybe the rain had scared some of them away.

Then I walked to Parque Berrio station to see if there were any girls hanging around the stairways, and there were only 2 - one of which looked very suspect.

So, I tried to look for the coffee / candy girls, and again I was very disappointed. The ones they show on YouTube vids are pretty hot! But the few I saw were much older, and definitely not bangable.

Is there another area where the coffee / candy girls hang out? I'd like to try my luck with them.

Today, I will try and hit a couple of the casas, and will report back.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2677432]I walked around the streets where the SW's hang out and to be honest, I was seriously disappointed at the quality of the girls. I have pretty low standards, so I wasn't looking for 7's or 8's. Just a normal girl who is a 5 or 6 would be sufficient. Maybe the rain had scared some of them away..[/QUOTE]I've never had issues finding girls in Cento but you have to hunt a little bit. I usually take 2 or 3 passes around the church. I've always been able to find something worth 30-50 mil.

By playmate body, I mean short, thin with large breasts. Her face is not pretty enough to be a model.

Laura performs an excellent, strong, body-to-body massage.

Unfortunately, she does not provide extras. She will do oral only with a rubber.

Her place is in a sketchy part of Belen. In the daytime, I surmise that it is safe.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/laura-divina-muy-complaciente-alto-nivel-solo-caballeros/21622661/[/URL]

The pictures are real.

You said one of the girls on the Berrio steps looked "suspect." What does that mean? Are you referring to transexual? Let us know how you make out at the casas.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2677432]Hi guys,

I arrived in Medellin yesterday and decided to walk around el Centro at about 4 pm. It had just stopped raining, so maybe there were less people around.

But I felt safe walking around Plaza Botero, because amongst the vagabondas (homeless), there were lots of regular people taking photos around the statues etc. I walked around the streets where the SW's hang out and to be honest, I was seriously disappointed at the quality of the girls. I have pretty low standards, so I wasn't looking for 7's or 8's. Just a normal girl who is a 5 or 6 would be sufficient. Maybe the rain had scared some of them away.

Then I walked to Parque Berrio station to see if there were any girls hanging around the stairways, and there were only 2 - one of which looked very suspect.

So, I tried to look for the coffee / candy girls, and again I was very disappointed. The ones they show on YouTube vids are pretty hot! But the few I saw were much older, and definitely not bangable.

Is there another area where the coffee / candy girls hang out? I'd like to try my luck with them.

Today, I will try and hit a couple of the casas, and will report back.[/QUOTE]

She only does outcall. She is quite popular as her Whatsapp dings every 30 seconds. She does not pickup but it is still annoying.

She is not really a massage chica. She just wants to get down and fuck. We finished with 15 minutes to go and she gave a shoulder massage without much technique to fill out the hour.

There is minimal baby damage but you have to think about it to observe it.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/masajes-eroticos/en-a-disfrutar-un-rico-masaje-rico-con-migo/22650872/[/URL]

It's a good number to keep in case your Facebook chic flakes in the evening. I had one cancel at the last minute yesterday.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2677432]...I walked around the streets where the SW's hang out and to be honest, I was seriously disappointed at the quality of the girls. I have pretty low standards, so I wasn't looking for 7's or 8's. Just a normal girl who is a 5 or 6 would be sufficient. Maybe the rain had scared some of them away....[/QUOTE]Have you tried to station yourself near ground zero (cra 52 and CL 52). It is the intersection to your left when you face the museum. You will find many here in addition to the bar street.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2677432]Hi guys,

I arrived in Medellin yesterday and decided to walk around el Centro at about 4 pm. It had just stopped raining, so maybe there were less people around.

But I felt safe walking around Plaza Botero, because amongst the vagabondas (homeless), there were lots of regular people taking photos around the statues etc. I walked around the streets where the SW's hang out and to be honest, I was seriously disappointed at the quality of the girls. I have pretty low standards, so I wasn't looking for 7's or 8's. Just a normal girl who is a 5 or 6 would be sufficient. Maybe the rain had scared some of them away..[/QUOTE]The quality of the girls working Centro, primarily Vennies has been way down for a few months as a lot of the prettier ones that used to work there have not come back, yet there are new faces everyday.

What you observed is what I describe as "fuglies", meaning fat and pudgy Chicas, and there are lots of them which you noticed.

Just taking a short time pass thru Centro doesn't really give a good snapshot of things as you recognize such as rain.

Also the slowest days in Centro are Sunday's, followed by Monday when things ramp back up. Best days would be Thursday afternoon thru Saturday.

And I've seen some prettier girls working the stairs at the Parque Berrio Station on the Hotel Nutibarra side of the Station, but it's very hit and miss.

Be patient next time your in Centro, you can have some good experiences, it's just a matter of timing and luck.

[QUOTE=SamyDog;2677386]Negrito. Can you share some details about this massage place, Chicas Luxury? Their number or address. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Here is the Ad in Mileroticos where I found about that place, its Loren's Ad. You can ask her for the other girls I only kept her phone number.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/valery-el-deseo-y-la-pasion-quiero-hacertelo-delicioso/22611921/[/URL]

The Place is next to Salon Frances in Floresta, roughly between Estacion Floresta and Viva Exito on la 80. PM me if you want more info.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2677432]Hi guys,

I arrived in Medellin yesterday and decided to walk around el Centro at about 4 pm. It had just stopped raining, so maybe there were less people around.

But I felt safe walking around Plaza Botero, because amongst the vagabondas (homeless), there were lots of regular people taking photos around the statues etc. I walked around the streets where the SW's hang out and to be honest, I was seriously disappointed at the quality of the girls. I have pretty low standards, so I wasn't looking for 7's or 8's. Just a normal girl who is a 5 or 6 would be sufficient. Maybe the rain had scared some of them away.

Then I walked to Parque Berrio station to see if there were any girls hanging around the stairways, and there were only 2 - one of which looked very suspect.

So, I tried to look for the coffee / candy girls, and again I was very disappointed. The ones they show on YouTube vids are pretty hot! But the few I saw were much older, and definitely not bangable..[/QUOTE]Go on a better day when it hasn't been raining so much and branch out further within the surrounding areas. Botero Plaza and Berrio Station aren't the only places in El Centro. When you wander around the same track as everyone else it gets old fast. Don't limit yourself to the same thing that everyone else is doing or copy that.

Hello gents,

I am a newbie to the forum and this is my first post. I've lurked a bit and my only regret about this forum is that I did not discover it sooner. Some of the posts are absolute gold for me since I've been thinking of becoming a traveling pervert for quite some time.

A bit about me: I am mid-fifties, divorced and live in a medium-sized midwestern US city. I have limited experience with international travel or fulltime SW's but a good bit of experience with local sugar babies (mostly seeking) over the past 4 years.

Last summer I did a two-week trip to Medellin with a buddy. Had a very good time and I will do a detailed report soon.

I was hoping to get the input of the more experienced Medellin guys on the scopolamine issue. It seems like the reports of getting drugged and robbed as a foreigner are becoming more and more common. Whenever I hear these stories (there are a couple of Facebook groups dedicated to the topic) they almost all seem to be initiated on tinder and the girl is willing to come straight to the guy's apartment without any discussion of money and the guy thinks he is getting laid for free because she just loves gringos.

To me it seems very unlikely that you will get robbed by a girl who you bring back to your place if you have already agreed on a price. For example, a Parque Lleras girl who you have agreed on a price with. The girl knows she's getting paid so she has a lot less incentive to have to steal from you.

Not sure if my reasoning is flawed here and interested to see what the experienced Medellin guys think.

You are the one who has been telling them to come to Centro and giving them instructions everyday for years.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2677092]For guys like you, me, and a few others on this board, the "gringos" aren't a problem. I stay clear of them, of which a lot of them have a beer in one hand, and a smoke in the other hand, aka like in Thailand and the Philippines.

But the onslaught of them since the Pandemic has tarnished a lot of the Chica's in El Centro.

A few days ago a Chica quoted me 100 K for a rato with no discussion of what was included. I started laughing at her, told her I wasn't a fool, and walked away. And she was no beauty queen either.

My point is, there are a lot of "gringos" paying way more than the locals do. And there are a lot of Chica's specifically looking for gringo clients, which I give them credit for, as I would if I was in this profession.

I remember years ago before there were many gringos here at all that there was little of the bullshit that some of the Chicas try to pull these days.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that some / many of Botero / Veracruz gringos have obnoxious, silly attitudes. They think that they would become king when they come to a developing country. Some of these guys argue with locals, hotel / restaurant employees, and drunk with hoes on the middle of promenade. Some of them argued with police and they were arrested. Locals hate them.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2677354]I like to go places where there is little to no Gringos. I like the local feel that is untainted. I agree about El Centro and the influx of Simps. A lot hang out in the plaza near the museum and centro comercial. Older guys talking loud with the young chicas drinking and listening to Reggaeton. They really think that they got it going on. LOL. Little do they know that's not "living".

If a chica speaks understandable English, quotes in dollars, hangs out in Poblado regularly she is probably being tainted. Chicas migrate between El Centro and Poblado. A better experience for me is to avoid most Gringo hangouts and areas. I prefer parts of town that cater mostly to locals. The cultural experience is much better, personalities are more genuine and believe it or not the food is more authentic. Commercialized food is not always the answer. Colombian middle class and up are my target areas. The price for everything is lower and the chicas aren't on that Western / USA / Europe bullshyt.

Traveling to mid sized cities is a good idea for avoiding most Gringos. There are all kinds of nice cities in Colombia that have minimal Gringo exposure.[/QUOTE]

Okay, I've just returned to my hotel. I went to Conejita first. It's a bar with a strip pole in the middle. It was around 6 pm, and there were about 20 guys sitting on single tables and about 4-5 girls pottering around. A fat chick was dancing on the runway. Aquila beer was 8 K. I asked the guy working there how much for 30 mins and he quoted me 100 K. A couple of the girls there were worth banging. Now a 100 K price is a bargain for someone flying straight from the pussy-desert known as the USA, but I've been in Bogota for a few weeks where I've been banging chicas in casa for 35 K for half and hour. So, feeling like a cheapstake, there was no way I was going to pay 100 K here. I don't want to feed the price inflation.

So, I walk off to New Life. It's a blue door. Just push to open, and then there are two metal security doors. Ring the bell, and they will be opened automatically. Once upstairs, I said "Es mi primera vez aqui" to the mamasan, to which she replied in near perfect English "I know, I can tell. " and she went onto explain the rules. Price list is on the wall 55 K for 30 mins etc. If you decide to walk after seeing the girls you need to pay 3 K. All signs are in Spanish AND English. I was shown about 15 girls. Most were bangable, and I chose a curvy one with big tits and big ass. Oh, another great rule here is that a shower before is mandatory. I like that, because Medellin is a hot city, and I like to be clean before the deed. The time for the shower doesn't count towards the 30 minutes. You pay the money after the bang.

The bang itself was just okay. The girl was pretty but didn't allow kissing, or licking of the nipples, and the BJ (covered) lasted about 2 minutes. She thought she was a great actress with tons of fake moans, but I just wished she would shut the fuck up. Anyway, I banged her straight for 25 minutes, and the heat and sweat meant I had to stop.

I will return to New Life, but for another chica. It's not like the Bogota casas which are like a bar with loud music. You can just hang out there with a drink, bang, have another drink, and bang another chica etc. This place is like a UK massage parlour of old. You enter, pick a girl, fuck, and get out.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2677577]The problem is that some / many of Botero / Veracruz gringos have obnoxious, silly attitudes. They think that they would become king when they come to a developing country. Some of these guys argue with locals, hotel / restaurant employees, and drunk with hoes on the middle of promenade. Some of them argued with police and they were arrested. Locals hate them.[/QUOTE]What your describing is as a result of the Pandemic when Colombia was one of a very few Countries literally wide open to mongering hence droves and droves of mongers, especially Asian mongers started coming here. And prior to the onset of the Pandemic, Colombia was becoming more and more popular each year, yet I would say the gringo density today is at least ten times if not more than pre-pandemic.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2677647]Okay, I've just returned to my hotel. I went to Conejita first. It's a bar with a strip pole in the middle. It was around 6 pm, and there were about 20 guys sitting on single tables and about 4-5 girls pottering around. A fat chick was dancing on the runway. Aquila beer was 8 K. I asked the guy working there how much for 30 mins and he quoted me 100 K. A couple of the girls there were worth banging. Now a 100 K price is a bargain for someone flying straight from the pussy-desert known as the USA, but I've been in Bogota for a few weeks where I've been banging chicas in casa for 35 K for half and hour. So, feeling like a cheapstake, there was no way I was going to pay 100 K here. I don't want to feed the price inflation.

So, I walk off to New Life. It's a blue door. Just push to open, and then there are two metal security doors. Ring the bell, and they will be opened automatically. Once upstairs, I said "Es mi primera vez aqui" to the mamasan, to which she replied in near perfect English "I know, I can tell. " and she went onto explain the rules. Price list is on the wall 55 K for 30 mins etc. If you decide to walk after seeing the girls you need to pay 3 K. All signs are in Spanish AND English. I was shown about 15 girls. Most were bangable, and I chose a curvy one with big tits and big ass. Oh, another great rule here is that a shower before is mandatory. I like that, because Medellin is a hot city, and I like to be clean before the deed. The time for the shower doesn't count towards the 30 minutes. You pay the money after the bang..[/QUOTE]Is their hot water in shower's, a big plus for me, thanks for the reports.

[QUOTE=ASUDevil1;2677400]100% true. In fact, while in Colombia, Alaska and I were saying that every board on ISG has like three types of posters:

1) The Cucumber. The "I am new help me out" poster.

2) The Sexpert. The "RTFF" poster, who for some reason thinks we all have time to wade through 50 pages of bitching in order to find out one or two simple facts.

3) The Curmudgeon - "this city isn't like it used to be, it used to be much better, it's too expensive now and there are too many people coming here" poster.

I bounce to a lot of different boards on ISG due to my travels (Kyiv, CDMX, Prague, Budapest, Bogota) and it is always the same characters with different names.

It's so much better if you just try to help dudes out and pay it forward. Alaska helped me, I help others, and we all have a good time.[/QUOTE]#2 also known as the "I had her first /18th birthday for free /90% less than most guys" guy.

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2677548]Hello gents,

I am a newbie to the forum and this is my first post. I've lurked a bit and my only regret about this forum is that I did not discover it sooner. Some of the posts are absolute gold for me since I've been thinking of becoming a traveling pervert for quite some time.

A bit about me: I am mid-fifties, divorced and live in a medium-sized midwestern US city. I have limited experience with international travel or fulltime SW's but a good bit of experience with local sugar babies (mostly seeking) over the past 4 years.

Last summer I did a two-week trip to Medellin with a buddy. Had a very good time and I will do a detailed report soon.

I was hoping to get the input of the more experienced Medellin guys on the scopolamine issue. It seems like the reports of getting drugged and robbed as a foreigner are becoming more and more common. Whenever I hear these stories (there are a couple of Facebook groups dedicated to the topic) they almost all seem to be initiated on tinder and the girl is willing to come straight to the guy's apartment without any discussion of money and the guy thinks he is getting laid for free because she just loves gringos.

To me it seems very unlikely that you will get robbed by a girl who you bring back to your place if you have already agreed on a price. For example, a Parque Lleras girl who you have agreed on a price with. The girl knows she's getting paid so she has a lot less incentive to have to steal from you.

Not sure if my reasoning is flawed here and interested to see what the experienced Medellin guys think.[/QUOTE]Flawed in this sense. The ones using Scopalmine are part of organized groups. They don't work alone. Generally. So whether or not she agrees to a price beforehand is irrelevant.

Your best protection is that the place you are staying checks the cedula. And checks with you that everything is Ok when the gal leaves. Ideally. That will help. Along with the other rules of never leaving your drink out of sight, etc.

And the other things you can do. Go to casas, strip clubs, even Facebook dates will generally be safer than something like tinder.

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2677548]Hello gents,

I am a newbie to the forum and this is my first post. I've lurked a bit and my only regret about this forum is that I did not discover it sooner. Some of the posts are absolute gold for me since I've been thinking of becoming a traveling pervert for quite some time.

A bit about me: I am mid-fifties, divorced and live in a medium-sized midwestern US city. I have limited experience with international travel or fulltime SW's but a good bit of experience with local sugar babies (mostly seeking) over the past 4 years.

Last summer I did a two-week trip to Medellin with a buddy. Had a very good time and I will do a detailed report soon.

I was hoping to get the input of the more experienced Medellin guys on the scopolamine issue. It seems like the reports of getting drugged and robbed as a foreigner are becoming more and more common. Whenever I hear these stories (there are a couple of Facebook groups dedicated to the topic) they almost all seem to be initiated on tinder and the girl is willing to come straight to the guy's apartment without any discussion of money and the guy thinks he is getting laid for free because she just loves gringos.[/QUOTE]The Scopolamine issue isn't adequately discussed online, because most victims are unwilling to admit they were drugged and robbed. It's the same with guys who have gotten robbed in other ways, or scammed. Maybe 1 in 5 will publicly admit to it.

However, it also gets blown out of proportion by people repeating urban legends, or claiming to know a victim. I know that's not much help. It's best, instead of worrying about there being an epidemic of scopolamine attacks, to focus on how to prevent being the victim. The same is true when considering other potential personal security issues.

About 3 years ago a Canadian University Professor was drugged, robbed and killed, and his dismembered body wasn't found for a couple of weeks. If I remember correctly, his cards had $15 k withdrawn from them. It was later reported that the perpetrators we're using Tinder to select victims. I believe that was the first time such acts were connected to Tinder.

How do you reduce your risks? These steps are my opinion. Others will almost certainly disagree.

1. The people in Medellin are friendly. That doesn't mean they are your friends. If anyone starts treating you like a friend, offering to take you to a better place, trying to get you to drink with them, be suspicious of their motives.

2. Keep your wits about you. Getting drunk in public increases your risk. It's much easier to recognize that you're feeling dizzy or confused when you're sober.

3. Be aware of the people who are paying too much attention to you. The chance of running into someone who went to high school with your brother is miniscule (although it did happen to a friend I was with in St. Thomas, Virgin Islands 41 years ago. I thought we were about to get our asses kicked, but it turned out we drank for free, because the bar owner was from the same city as my friend).

4. Keep control of your drink. Don't let the girl you picked up make a drink for you. Don't leave your drink unattended. Don't drink anything offered by a stranger.

5. Recognize that anyone can be a victim. I know people who have mongered all over the world, with many years of experience, who have gotten caught because they let their guard down.

6. Carry just a little bit of paranoia with you. If someone is trying to get close, or trying to distract you, assume they aren't looking out for your best interests. Keep them at a distance and move to a safer spot, inside of an open business, next to a cop, or anywhere where you can quickly attract attention.

I would forget about your belief that knowing she will get paid is a deterrent. If you're a gringo, in Parque Lleras, you're probably worth robbing. That doesn't mean the risk is high. Every day 1,000 gringos pay for sex without any problems. As long as you remain alert, your chances of avoiding problems are quite good.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2677647]She thought she was a great actress with tons of fake moans, but I just wished she would shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE]Don't we all.

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2677548]I was hoping to get the input of the more experienced Medellin guys on the scopolamine issue. It seems like the reports of getting drugged and robbed as a foreigner are becoming more and more common. Whenever I hear these stories (there are a couple of Facebook groups dedicated to the topic) they almost all seem to be initiated on tinder and the girl is willing to come straight to the guy's apartment without any discussion of money and the guy thinks he is getting laid for free because she just loves gringos.

To me it seems very unlikely that you will get robbed by a girl who you bring back to your place if you have already agreed on a price. For example, a Parque Lleras girl who you have agreed on a price with. The girl knows she's getting paid so she has a lot less incentive to have to steal from you.[/QUOTE]If I was in Medellin all the time and had to budget, I could see negotiating down and going for the women in El Centro. But if you are a tourist there for a week, I would not even bother. It makes no sense to me to be spending that much money on the air fare and hotel and then cheapening it up. I saw higher class women and never was worried about being stolen from or drugged by them.

Thing about scopolamine is that it made into this wonder drug and all it is just an anti-histamine like Benadryl. It is given these amazing powers but it does not work if you blow it in someone's face or a girl kisses you with it after she has sprinkled on her lips. It needs to be given by injection or orally to have an effect.

So you can take a pill to block its effects and there is a shot you can take that will automatically reverse the effects of scopolamine. If you want to know what they are, PM me.

But scopolamine is glorified Benadryl, and that tells me the reports of its danger are ridiculously exaggerated. Sure, make sure you have the waiters open the bottle in front of you and keep your eye on your drink. I just think short term tourists should not be dealing with the SWs. There are just too many safer alternatives.

First day here just wanted to say I had a great time and Zandaly Massage. I'm staying at an Airbnb nearby It was 50 k pesos for 30 min BJ Sex and Massage. The girl was gorgeous and very freaky too,. I think the women are better looking here than in Bogota. Also so glad I booked an Airbnb in centro within walking distance of all the action instead of Poblado even though the taxi driver who dropped me off asked why did I want to stay in an area so Nasty LOL. (and I've never seen so many people openly smoking crack and I'm from Philly).

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2677574]You are the one who has been telling them to come to Centro and giving them instructions everyday for years.[/QUOTE]LOL. No way to argue with that. Can't complain when the cat is out of the bag if you keep opening the bag letting people peek at the cat.

[QUOTE=ASUDevil1;2677400]The "RTFF" poster, who for some reason thinks we all have time to wade through 50 pages of bitching in order to find out one or two simple facts.[/QUOTE]The owner had foresight into this and designed the site with a search function. Funny how nobody goes to google and complains that they do not have time to search for something they want to know. In all of 2 seconds I was able to pull up the last 120 posts that Surfer500 made about centro.

4) None of the above.

I love your travel list.

[QUOTE=ASUDevil1;2677400]100% true. In fact, while in Colombia, Alaska and I were saying that every board on ISG has like three types of posters:

1) The Cucumber. The "I am new help me out" poster.

2) The Sexpert. The "RTFF" poster, who for some reason thinks we all have time to wade through 50 pages of bitching in order to find out one or two simple facts.

3) The Curmudgeon - "this city isn't like it used to be, it used to be much better, it's too expensive now and there are too many people coming here" poster.

I bounce to a lot of different boards on ISG due to my travels (Kyiv, CDMX, Prague, Budapest, Bogota) and it is always the same characters with different names.

It's so much better if you just try to help dudes out and pay it forward. Alaska helped me, I help others, and we all have a good time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2677548]To me it seems very unlikely that you will get robbed by a girl who you bring back to your place if you have already agreed on a price. For example, a Parque Lleras girl who you have agreed on a price with. The girl knows she's getting paid so she has a lot less incentive to have to steal from you.[/QUOTE]That reasoning is flawed. She will rob your entire apartment, your credit cards, etc. In addition to the agreed-upon price. Chasing hookers in Medellin isn't going to be like SA in Iowa. The way to avoid getting scoped is to control your food and beverages, particularly the latter.

Zandaly and Aventura have bars. You might like those. Zandaly is a short walk from New Life. You would need a taxi or Metroplus to get to Aventura.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2677647]Okay, I've just returned to my hotel. I went to Conejita first. It's a bar with a strip pole in the middle. It was around 6 pm, and there were about 20 guys sitting on single tables and about 4-5 girls pottering around. A fat chick was dancing on the runway. Aquila beer was 8 K. I asked the guy working there how much for 30 mins and he quoted me 100 K. A couple of the girls there were worth banging. Now a 100 K price is a bargain for someone flying straight from the pussy-desert known as the USA, but I've been in Bogota for a few weeks where I've been banging chicas in casa for 35 K for half and hour. So, feeling like a cheapstake, there was no way I was going to pay 100 K here. I don't want to feed the price inflation.

So, I walk off to New Life. It's a blue door. Just push to open, and then there are two metal security doors. Ring the bell, and they will be opened automatically. Once upstairs, I said "Es mi primera vez aqui" to the mamasan, to which she replied in near perfect English "I know, I can tell. " and she went onto explain the rules. Price list is on the wall 55 K for 30 mins etc. If you decide to walk after seeing the girls you need to pay 3 K. All signs are in Spanish AND English. I was shown about 15 girls. Most were bangable, and I chose a curvy one with big tits and big ass. Oh, another great rule here is that a shower before is mandatory. I like that, because Medellin is a hot city, and I like to be clean before the deed. The time for the shower doesn't count towards the 30 minutes. You pay the money after the bang..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2677548]I was hoping to get the input of the more experienced Medellin guys on the scopolamine issue. [/QUOTE]Don't put any food or drink in your body that you have not been in complete control of since it was prepared.

Plus, scope tastes nasty, super bitter. The one time I experienced an attempted scope in my hotel room I instantly tasted it and spit it back out. Perhaps in bars the guys are already too drunk or swept up in the moment to notice. I dunno.

And by the time she added it to my drink it was fairly small and not diluted much, so that probably made a difference.

The purrfect drink to scope would be something with Angostura bitters or tonic water in it that already naturally bitter.

So far facebook, I think I'm too nice. First one 5-6/10 and 300 mil. Second one 7/10 350 mil. Both bb but still. I only realized this after they won't stop blowing up my phone afterwards LOL.

I will be in Medellin from March 26-April 1 if anyone wants to meet up and hit some casas. This will be my third trip, once in 2016, 2017, and now 2022.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2677649]Is their hot water in shower's, a big plus for me, thanks for the reports.[/QUOTE]The one time I used a room, there was. That was a couple months ago.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2677679]The owner had foresight into this and designed the site with a search function. Funny how nobody goes to google and complains that they do not have time to search for something they want to know. In all of 2 seconds I was able to pull up the last 120 posts that Surfer500 made about centro.[/QUOTE]I'm just a lightweight compared to you Mr. E, with almost 13,000 Posts under your belt, perhaps someone should contact the Guinness book of world records for most posts by a poster on ISG! LOL.

[QUOTE=Zenigata885;2677759]So far facebook, I think I'm too nice. First one 5-6/10 and 300 mil. Second one 7/10 350 mil. Both bb but still. I only realized this after they won't stop blowing up my phone afterwards LOL.[/QUOTE]Was the 5-6/10 using fake or edited photos? Just convenient? Why you connected with her?

I am fascinated by the scopolamine phenomenon. I'm grateful I don't have any first hand practical experience. The accounts over the years have been all over the place. I've read everything from elaborate misadventures that are the stuff of urban legend, to verified law enforcement and diplomatic reports. I think my #1 overall most remarkable thing is a post I remember on this website a few years ago in which the poster warned against accepting advertising handouts on the street because of the risk of being targeted for a scopolamine attack. For me, defies logic that the people who have hundreds of these handouts would keep one ready to slip to a foreigner before calling in confederates to victimize him. I agree we are best to take the normal precautions, and for me at least that combined with a bit of luck has kept me out of the scopolamine mix so far.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2677663]If I was in Medellin all the time and had to budget, I could see negotiating down and going for the women in El Centro. But if you are a tourist there for a week, I would not even bother. It makes no sense to me to be spending that much money on the air fare and hotel and then cheapening it up. I saw higher class women and never was worried about being stolen from or drugged by them.

Thing about scopolamine is that it made into this wonder drug and all it is just an anti-histamine like Benadryl. It is given these amazing powers but it does not work if you blow it in someone's face or a girl kisses you with it after she has sprinkled on her lips. It needs to be given by injection or orally to have an effect.

So you can take a pill to block its effects and there is a shot you can take that will automatically reverse the effects of scopolamine. If you want to know what they are, PM me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2677548]To me it seems very unlikely that you will get robbed by a girl who you bring back to your place if you have already agreed on a price. For example, a Parque Lleras girl who you have agreed on a price with. The girl knows she's getting paid so she has a lot less incentive to have to steal from you.

Not sure if my reasoning is flawed here and interested to see what the experienced Medellin guys think.[/QUOTE]Yes your reasoning is very flawed. It is obvious that you are not streetwise in the least. The first thing to always remember is that this is street shit. There are no contracts or gentlemen's agreements. A chick can promise you the world beforehand and say she is fine with $100 for 1 hour. That means shit. She can always get behind closed doors and not do anything that was promised and demand $200 for the 30 minutes she was there. You can search youtube for that very think that happens in Sosua all of the time.

I had an agreement with a chick in Sosua. When I met her I even took a picture of her and said I will keep this in case you try to fuck me over. You think that stopped her from trying to cut the time short and demand more money? WRONG! I even gave her the original money and she tried to claim I gave her nothing. The maid went into the room and found that exact sum balled up on the bed.

The chick wanted to call the police. I am no dummy. Most guys would be terrified that the police is coming and do what they can to avoid it. When they arrived, I asked the police how much they make in 1 month. The sergeant said $125. I said right. And this chick expects you to believe that I am dumb enough to promise her $100 for a few hours when most people barely make that in 1 month. They made her leave.

Anything can go wrong at any time. Just because in your mind you may be thinking this is a simple transaction and this person will be overjoyed that I am helping them out with some money, does not mean being overjoyed because you are giving them money is what is in their head. They could be part of some mafia or robbing crew or anything. Keep your head out of your ass and on a swivel and never get complacent.

But of course you are reading all of this and will one day get comfortable, at which time it will bite you in the ass. I know all of this but still slip up myself sometimes. Experience is always the best teacher. These chicks are NOT your friends!

P. S. Read the Bogota thread where first hand experience scam shit is being discussed right now.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2677893]Was the 5-6/10 using fake or edited photos? Just convenient? Why you connected with her?[/QUOTE]Combination. Really good photo maybe photoshopped. And I'm like I'd rather extra 50 mil and increase convenience rather than like talk to extra 5 people which sounds bad but my time is limited and I was getting ghosted at 200 mil.

[QUOTE=Zenigata885;2677759]So far facebook, I think I'm too nice. First one 5-6/10 and 300 mil. Second one 7/10 350 mil. Both bb but still. I only realized this after they won't stop blowing up my phone afterwards LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes that can be a sign that you paid too much.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2677937]Yes your reasoning is very flawed. It is obvious that you are not streetwise in the least. The first thing to always remember is that this is street shit. There are no contracts or gentlemen's agreements.[/QUOTE]Definitely agree that I'm not yet streetwise in dealing with hookers, my experience is quite limited. Thanks the insights, very helpful. I will check out the Bogota forum for further info.

Looks like my first ever visit to Medellin will coincide with national elections in May. I usually avoid travelling to countries around election time due to who knows what will happen. Not sure how crazy things become in Medellin around election time.

Can the experienced mongers please chime in. Is Medellin and more importantly our hobby still safely enjoyable around election time?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2677699]The way to avoid getting scoped is to control your food and beverages, particularly the latter.[/QUOTE]Good advice that I will follow. Appreciate the input!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2677905]I am fascinated by the scopolamine phenomenon. I'm grateful I don't have any first hand practical experience. The accounts over the years have been all over the place.[/QUOTE]There definitely seems to be an element of urban legend to scopolamine. One of the stories floating around youtube involved a guy who claimed it turned him into a walking zombie who did anything he was told to, including repeated ATM withdrawals over several days. Said he had no ability to say no. I'm a bit skeptical and with most of these stories when you dig deeper it almost always involves very heavy drug or alcohol usage which probably contributed to just how fucked up the guy was.

[QUOTE=ASUDevil1;2677400]100% true. In fact, while in Colombia, Alaska and I were saying that every board on ISG has like three types of posters:

1) The Cucumber. The "I am new help me out" poster.

2) The Sexpert. The "RTFF" poster, who for some reason thinks we all have time to wade through 50 pages of bitching in order to find out one or two simple facts.

3) The Curmudgeon - "this city isn't like it used to be, it used to be much better, it's too expensive now and there are too many people coming here" poster.

I bounce to a lot of different boards on ISG due to my travels (Kyiv, CDMX, Prague, Budapest, Bogota) and it is always the same characters with different names.

It's so much better if you just try to help dudes out and pay it forward. Alaska helped me, I help others, and we all have a good time.[/QUOTE]You left out several types of posters.

4. The PFR. Penthouse Forum Rejects. They post graphic reviews which are only helpful for guys looking for jerk off material.

5. The Chicken Little's. The sky is falling and anyone visiting will definitely experience disaster.

6. My place is better, this place sucks. Anyone choosing to visit this location is a fool, because their favorite place is much better.

7. The Antagonists. Their only purpose is to attack anything written by their current enemy.

8. The Basement Dwellers. They've never traveled, but they post reports and reviews which they copy from other reports.

9. The Anecdotals. Because one thing happened to them, often in a different place, that thing is guaranteed to happen to everyone else.

10. The disbelievers. If someone has a better experience than they usually have, the other person must be lying.

11. The misdirector. Whatever someone posts, they had an experience which is in no way related and happened somewhere else, which proves the postee is mistaken.

12. The CSR. Customer Service Rep. The guys who try to help.

It's worth remembering that most posters fall in different categories at different times.

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2677996]There definitely seems to be an element of urban legend to scopolamine. One of the stories floating around youtube involved a guy who claimed it turned him into a walking zombie who did anything he was told to, including repeated ATM withdrawals over several days. Said he had no ability to say no. I'm a bit skeptical and with most of these stories when you dig deeper it almost always involves very heavy drug or alcohol usage which probably contributed to just how fucked up the guy was.[/QUOTE]Have a good friend that was scopalmined. He did go the ATM with the girl more than once, and was under the influence of scoplamine for around 3 days. He could not remember most of what happened, but a mutual friend saw him with the girl, knew something was wrong as he was acting strangely. The friend tried to follow him but lost him in a crowd. Anyway over a period of 3 days she got a significant amount of money and stole stuff from his place, but fortunately he recovered without serious damage. I don't think it makes anyone a slave or anything like that, just happy, unconnected with what is going on, and susceptible to suggestion. He probably just thought he was having fun, and maybe he was in a way. But without remembering the last trip to the ATM to give the girl money.

The ones who analyze other board members and categorize them into stereotypical groups to boost themselves and their own self worth.

(I'm just playing around).

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2677999]You left out several types of posters.

4. The PFR. Penthouse Forum Rejects. They post graphic reviews which are only helpful for guys looking for jerk off material.

5. The Chicken Little's. The sky is falling and anyone visiting will definitely experience disaster.

6. My place is better, this place sucks. Anyone choosing to visit this location is a fool, because their favorite place is much better.

7. The Antagonists. Their only purpose is to attack anything written by their current enemy.

8. The Basement Dwellers. They've never traveled, but they post reports and reviews which they copy from other reports..[/QUOTE]

So just to add to the discussion about being "scoped," I always tell people not to accept drinks from other people, to take their drinks to the bathroom, blah blah blah. I tell people not to invite women they have never met to their apartment, and definitely not multiple women. I tell people to always take cabs at night, not to go with touts, and not to buy drugs on the street.

However, although I tell other people to do that shit, I never personally do any of it. And, I've never been drugged or robbed by a chica. I will have my 50th anniversary of mongering later this year if I can stay alive that long. I've gotten mugged, stomped, thrown in jail, chased by packs of dogs, spit on and I can't remember what else but never drugged or robbed by a chica. Once in a bar in Costa Rica I got roofied or something but I'm 95% sure that was mistaken identity; a guy was trying to roofie one of the women we were with. He evaporated once he realized his mistake and the other people, whom I did not know at all, took me to a hotel and used money out of my pockets to pay for the room. And there I woke up. They had left a note with the hotel desk clerk explaining things and apologizing for the fact it took almost all my money to pay for the room. Later I ran into one of them again and was able to piece together more. My point is, don't overly focus on getting robbed by the chicas to the extent you let your guard down in other ways. Bad shit can happen lots of places and lots of ways.

I hit two casas this morning.

[B]Casa Cuba[/B]

Hard to find as it's in a parking lot. But once in, it was fine - 9 chicas, and all bangable. 30 minutes is 50 K and 1 HR is 70 K. I had a good little session with a curvy paisa but she wouldn't allow kissing or licking her nipples. The guy working there spoke perfect English and we had a good convo afterwards. Showers mandatory before the deed, and I like that.

If someone wants me to show them where it is, send me a PM. I'll be going again often unless I have a bad experience.

[B]Zandaly[/B]

Well documented here. About 6 girls, but most were a little out of shape, with strange lumps. Eg massive ass but skinny legs (butt implants? There was one shaggable girl, Paula, and I did her for 30 minutes for 50 K. Again showers mandatory, nice room, and she wouldn't allow kissing or boob licking except for a very quick peck on both aspects. I never understand why girls don't like guys licking their nipples, because it's an enormous turn-on if done right.

Tomorrow, I'll try and find some of the lessor known casas. But it's a real struggle identifying the entrance in Medellin, as there is no sign whatsoever, no indication of the venue, and no guy standing outside giving a nudge and a wink. Even with the address listed on the wonderful map on this site, it's a challenge sometimes.

If anyone else knows any good casas, please share, either publicly or privately.

The last guys jizz on them.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2678033]I hit two casas this morning.

[B]Casa Cuba[/B]

Hard to find as it's in a parking lot. But once in, it was fine - 9 chicas, and all bangable. 30 minutes is 50 K and 1 HR is 70 K. I had a good little session with a curvy paisa but she wouldn't allow kissing or licking her nipples. The guy working there spoke perfect English and we had a good convo afterwards. Showers mandatory before the deed, and I like that.

If someone wants me to show them where it is, send me a PM. I'll be going again often unless I have a bad experience.

[B]Zandaly[/B].[/QUOTE]

You might like AmigasSexxy.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2678033]I hit two casas this morning.

[B]Casa Cuba[/B]

Hard to find as it's in a parking lot. But once in, it was fine - 9 chicas, and all bangable. 30 minutes is 50 K and 1 HR is 70 K. I had a good little session with a curvy paisa but she wouldn't allow kissing or licking her nipples. The guy working there spoke perfect English and we had a good convo afterwards. Showers mandatory before the deed, and I like that.

If someone wants me to show them where it is, send me a PM. I'll be going again often unless I have a bad experience.

[B]Zandaly[/B]

Well documented here. About 6 girls, but most were a little out of shape, with strange lumps. Eg massive ass but skinny legs (butt implants? There was one shaggable girl, Paula, and I did her for 30 minutes for 50 K. Again showers mandatory, nice room, and she wouldn't allow kissing or boob licking except for a very quick peck on both aspects. I never understand why girls don't like guys licking their nipples, because it's an enormous turn-on if done right..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oterri;2677959]Looks like my first ever visit to Medellin will coincide with national elections in May. I usually avoid travelling to countries around election time due to who knows what will happen. Not sure how crazy things become in Medellin around election time.

Can the experienced mongers please chime in. Is Medellin and more importantly our hobby still safely enjoyable around election time?[/QUOTE]Depends who you support, are you a chavista?

I'm just kidding I have no idea, trying to understand the political situation myself without bias. My own and the people who I'm seeing info from.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2677959]Looks like my first ever visit to Medellin will coincide with national elections in May. I usually avoid travelling to countries around election time due to who knows what will happen. Not sure how crazy things become in Medellin around election time.

Can the experienced mongers please chime in. Is Medellin and more importantly our hobby still safely enjoyable around election time?[/QUOTE]Although there are political protests from time to time I don't recall such protests happening around the election days. It's usually when a piece of legislation is suggested that gets a certain group overly excited and onto the streets. The only thing I know to be aware of regarding elections is "ley seca" or dry law which means no sales or consumption of alcohol in public for probably about 36 hours. Bottom line I wouldn't worry about the timing of your trip as it relates to the upcoming presidential election.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2678033]...If anyone else knows any good casas, please share, either publicly or privately.[/QUOTE]New Life: Calle 56 #43-39, bright blue door.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2678104]Although there are political protests from time to time I don't recall such protests happening around the election days. It's usually when a piece of legislation is suggested that gets a certain group overly excited and onto the streets. The only thing I know to be aware of regarding elections is "ley seca" or dry law which means no sales or consumption of alcohol in public for probably about 36 hours. Bottom line I wouldn't worry about the timing of your trip as it relates to the upcoming presidential election.[/QUOTE]Some of the protests get pretty nasty, but you're right, they don't tend to be connected with elections. Unless some gringo is decked out in gear to promote one of the candidates, nobody is going to cause any problems over their politics.

The Ley Seca runs from 6 pm Saturday until 6 am Monday for the Sunday election day. Another issue on election day is that the Metro is free, so it's usually a lot more crowded than the typical Sunday.

Finally arrived in Medellin after shot show by AA. Staying at San peters, anyone interested in meeting for drinks and exploring ladies in the city. Shoutout to Fudi Maar, lets 2 brown mongers maar the fudi. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

If they put this food in front of me when I was morbidly obese.

Picada.

With pollo (chicken), queso (cheese), and salchicha (sausages).

Now my BMI is in the ideal range. Picada is my new favorite Colombian food. How about my new favorite food, period?

Picada forces pizza to abdicate the throne, jeje.

Kupla smoking' hot sisters woke me up after 2 AM knocking on my door with this treat.

Why ask why?

Foto: Don't make a snap judgement. That is what Picada looks like after three people have been mowing on it.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2677861]I'm just a lightweight compared to you Mr. E, with almost 13,000 Posts under your belt, perhaps someone should contact the Guinness book of world records for most posts by a poster on ISG! LOL.[/QUOTE]Before doing that check out Sirioja whose playground is German FKKs.

Anyone know for sure if Zandaly and New life have hot water in their showers before session,? And any and all recommendations will be great for this type of places!

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2678033]I hit two casas this morning.

[B]Casa Cuba[/B]

Hard to find as it's in a parking lot. But once in, it was fine - 9 chicas, and all bangable. 30 minutes is 50 K and 1 HR is 70 K. I had a good little session with a curvy paisa but she wouldn't allow kissing or licking her nipples. The guy working there spoke perfect English and we had a good convo afterwards. Showers mandatory before the deed, and I like that.

If someone wants me to show them where it is, send me a PM. I'll be going again often unless I have a bad experience.

[B]Zandaly[/B].[/QUOTE]If you told sebastian (guy at Cuba) that service was bad, she wouldn't do that. In fact, at casa Cuba, I've been well over 20 times, that's never happened to me. And always, always, BBBJ.no matter what probably 75% dfk on first visit.

And last week I was with paola (maybe who you met?) blonde brown hair, pale, crazy ass. vennie, and also have been with paula, brown hair, crazy ass short, (last month didnt see her last week) at zandlaey, and both have been DFK and allow kiss everywhere. Paola DATY. over 25 times as well at zandlay (not to brag, just stating experience), never had a girl say couldnt kiss body, because they know with bad performance theyd be out of a job at the premier centro casa.
maybe you gave them super tourist vibes IE you'd be gone in a week, so they didnt care about good service?

one of tips is always tell girls here, no matter what, youre here for 3+ months on extended work. much better than saying youre gone in a week, even if you are. see?

As a rule of thumb, kissing her body / tits should be a given at casas here. DFK is not a given like in Brazil but on repeats it is a given. I def would have told the mamasan afterwards, or no offense, maybe it's you.

Not a bad thing, mongers have different styles.

the onlyshitty casa that has told me i couldnt kiss their body out of *all of them* is former casa paris, i forget the name now. zaza maybe? idk but to me it's unacceptable to not allow that, that's the reason you pay the extra 20-205k for a casa girll over a street girl

Best.

Jw.

The best neighboorhood is boston imo, laureles is too slow, centro too dirty (IE nutibara), poblado sucks, etc.

Boston has all the casas, and the centro vibe while being safr and more family orieneted. And all the casas are in a 10 block radius.

I work in the am, then after some lunch at a local place menu del DIA for 15-20 k I hit a casa, either dulce, amigas sexy, zandaly, natalia, Cuba, or if I'm gambling zaza (yes I've been back after the horrible experiences.).

If I have the energy I go to centro and find a vennie (has to be vennie) around the museum. Always have a drink / some churro. / whatever to build rapport before room. I treat the sw like a civilian, flirting, etc.

Ever think from the girls pov? They spend all the time dealing with trash (centro rats haha!) and as theyre always working rarely get traditionally courted. So the flirting before the session goes a LONG way.

Same with casas, first visit is usually an 45 min to an hour htough I can't bust twice with a condom in an hour. Rest of time giving massage, talking, flirting, etc.

Don't get me wrong, there are days I just go to centro and pick a girl and say 3 words and just wham bam ty mam 5 min finish in doggy, that's fun too. But the best sessions come with building rapport beforehand.

But you old guys here (50+) already know this, I guess this is just tips for the weekend warriors.

If I work a little later then I go to centro club either conejitas, nueva avenida, barra ejectuvia or one of the shitty clubs around raudual (where spanish is your friend) usually around 4-5pm before the rush comes . Same deal, always a beer for me, beer for her, before hand.
if the girl is cold/immediatly asks to go to the room, she is a seasoned pro and sees you as a mark and will give you shitty service. ime.

Like you're trying to pick up a girl at a club.

After just a few weeks of doing this (I've maxed my days out in Colombia last two years) you build a pipeline of regulars that you know will giv eyou GFE service. It's like being the poor hugh hefner. You take your pic. Nobody has built a better pipeline here than osteo. But that's the move.

Happy hunting.

Jw.

oh post script: met this vennie (sofia) green eyes, 5f 1, 100lbs in botero yeserday. standing alone against the brown old wall thing along the glass walkway. black hat on. she's there everyday she said.

she said her mom was assasinated going to the store in venezuela last monht. it was prob a sob story as she just said it out of the blue, but either way shes not gonna manipulate me
she got here 2 weeks ago from maracaibo, we went to the red bar behind the church for a beer and chit chat. each took a shot of aguardiente. after 15-20 min agreed 30k +6k room. i said id tip if service was good.
in room dfk, bbbj, gave oral. i was soaked in sweat after. she wouldnt do bbfs no mattr what. i think she will on next visit. 20yo. gave 5k tip after, she was happy. is this not fucking paradise?
imagine going to a mall in the states and asking a 20yo if she wants to fuck for $10 lmao?

I am planning to be in Bogota all next week and Medellin the week after (first week of April).

Any monger wants to meet up, PM me and lets connect.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2678033]I hit two casas this morning.
she wouldn't allow kissing or boob licking except for a very quick peck on both aspects. I never understand why girls don't like guys licking their nipples, because it's an enormous turn-on if done right.[/QUOTE]It's because there are too many dudes that either bite or suck on them too hard. They don't want to take any chances.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2678029] I will have my 50th anniversary of mongering later this year if I can stay alive that long. I've gotten mugged, stomped, thrown in jail, chased by packs of dogs, spit on and I can't remember what else but never drugged or robbed by a chica... My point is, don't overly focus on getting robbed by the chicas to the extent you let your guard down in other ways. Bad shit can happen lots of places and lots of ways.[/QUOTE]That makes a lot of sense, lot of other issues to watch out for that are much more common. Congrats on your upcoming anniversary! IME that would a much more worthwhile anniversary to celebrate than a wedding anniversary, LOL.

I can confirm Zandaly does. New Life likely does too but I have not been there going on ten years. I think we will hear from someone yes or or no very shortly.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2678275]Anyone know for sure if Zandaly and New life have hot water in their showers before session,? And any and all recommendations will be great for this type of places![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RacShack;2678275]Anyone know for sure if Zandaly and New life have hot water in their showers before session,? And any and all recommendations will be great for this type of places![/QUOTE]Is not having hot water a deal breaker for you?

4 line up. 1 doable. I'm picky. 80 for 45 minutes and HJ, 100 for 1 HR and HJ, 130 1 HR and BJ, 160 for 1 HR fuck. Not worth it so I passed.

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2677996]There definitely seems to be an element of urban legend to scopolamine. One of the stories floating around youtube involved a guy who claimed it turned him into a walking zombie who did anything he was told to, including repeated ATM withdrawals over several days. Said he had no ability to say no. I'm a bit skeptical and with most of these stories when you dig deeper it almost always involves very heavy drug or alcohol usage which probably contributed to just how fucked up the guy was.[/QUOTE]There's always going to be doubters that chime in. Let there be doubters. The good news is that the vast majority of readers here never post, thus everyone is warned. It's also good to renew warnings occasionally. Don't let the doubters deter you as you aren't posting for them. Have fun out there gentleman, but play it smart.

P.S. Another poster made a good point that there's other ways to wind up with the short end of stick in Medellin than drugging, like straight up robberies. Don't talk to strangers out on the street and watch out for a guy (s) that suddenly block your forward path on the sidewalk. Move around them quickly and keep moving. Don't take your cell phone out in taxis. Keep an eye out for and distance from two men riding a moto when possible. Someone said they've been spit on in Medellin. Sorry to hear that, I can say that's something I've never experienced in my life. LOL.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2678362]Is not having hot water a deal breaker for you?[/QUOTE]Let's just say it's way more of a relaxed experience for me when nice hot showers are available before and after fuck and relaxing massage sessions.

Sets my mood right instead of ice cold water on body making me shiver! And for you?

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2678286]
one of tips is always tell girls here, no matter what, youre here for 3+ months on extended work. much better than saying youre gone in a week, even if you are. see?

As a rule of thumb, kissing her body / tits should be a given at casas here. DFK is not a given like in Brazil but on repeats it is a given. I def would have told the mamasan afterwards, or no offense, maybe it's you.

Jw.[/QUOTE]Good advice JW55. I tell them I'm here for a few months. Which is actually true. But, when they realise that my Spanish is basically non-existent, I think some switch gets flicked in their head.

Went to three casa's this morning:

[B] Dulce [/B] - Carrera 45 # 57-55.

Disappointing line-up. Only 4 girls, and three of them were something you wouldn't shag if they paid YOU money. I have pretty low standards, and am happy to bang 5's and 6's all day long, but when there is a 3 in front of me, my dick taps me on the side of my thigh, gives me that dirty look and says "Dude, [I]en serio?[/I] If you think you're going to stick me in THAT thing, then I swear I will go on strike. " Luckily, one of the four girls was bangable, so I did a 30 min session with her (55 K). Mandatory shower first, CBJ, which lasted less than 1 minute and no indication of kissing or being able to suck on her ample tits. So, the punt didn't start off good, but I was going to get my moneys worth, and so I pumped that paisa pussy for the remaining 29 minutes till the bell rang. I probably won't be returning to this place anytime soon.

[B] Cuba [/B]

Credit for this casa goes to JohnnyWalker55 who wrote a great little report last year, and which encouraged me to go here.

I wanted a good session, so headed to Cuba. Sebastian was on duty today, and he showed me 5 girls (the others were busy getting their vaginas stretched). The one I had yesterday (she's in room 8) was available, but I picked a Brazilian looking one (Antoinette?? She's in the very first room). Immediately, as I lay on the bed, she reached for my little friend and began the BJ. A little hug and a kiss would have been nice. But nope, straight in her mouth. Mind you, she did a damn good job for the next 10-12 minutes of slow, sensual sucking. Then we banged. I need to take JW55's advice and go for the kiss, nipple licking etc, and I need to stop being polite. I will test the boundaries next time.

[B] Armonia [/B] Calle 54 (Caracas) #49-97, piso 2, Centro Comercial Boulevard de Caracas.

I thought I'd discovered a new casa, but it's shown on the Medellin map. In a shopping centre, and for the first time since leaving Bogota, I've seen a guy standing on the street handing out little slips of paper to promote the venue. I asked him to take me there. On the 2nd floor. 5-6 chubby, curvy chicas, and I picked Valentina. Very curvy, big tits, even bigger ass. Pricing is 55 K for 30 minutes, and 4 K fee if you decide to walk.

No kissing, but she let me lick gently on her ample breasts. The bang was really good. She fits my body type perfectly. Her face is not nice, but when I am poking the fire, I don't usually look at the mantlepiece.

Showers - someone asked about showers. All casa's I've been to have them. New Life, Zandaly, Cuba have warm showers, the other two (Dulce, Armonia) have cold ones, but it's no big deal.

It seems like a lot of these reports make it seem like the chicas in casas are reluctant for kissing, DATY, etc. Are the independents like this as well? It seems like Colombians are more annoying when it comes to wearing condoms.

Been here the past 4 days, one day twice. Theyre open 7 days a week, 10-7 pm. 45 min 100 k 130 k 1 HR.

Carr 80 #44-139. The house with the giant cactus poking up above the roof.

In order of performance:

Daniela.

Karen.

Camilla.

Sara.

Julia.

Unconventionally, I would say this is the order of hotness too. The other three girls not listed have great bodies but meh faces.

All were DFK, DATY 20 k upcharge for BBBJ, 69. ask during the massage so it doesnt kill the mood during fucking lol. All very GFE.

clocks in the rooms which is nice.

You get a meh massage in the beginning. Relaxing. Nice facility, hot water. Worth checking out if you're by estadio. these girls like to fuck . 3/5 were getting themselves off

*fudi mar: re the kissing: always works to get an hour in the first time, you have time to talk, give her a massage, she thinks you have more $$, etc. if she thinks she can get a regular she will be a lot more intimate ime.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2678400] Someone said they've been spit on in Medellin. Sorry to hear that, I can say that's something I've never experienced in my life. LOL.[/QUOTE]Not all of that stuff I mentioned happened in Medellin. Mugged, attempted robbery, and thrown in jail for resisting said robbery, all in Medellin. Stomped was in Salto, Uruguay. That was for being a gringo. Spit on um I've been spit on three times I can recall. Once in Siem Reap, Cambodia; once in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and once in a shit hole in Guatemala called Chimaltenango (also for being a gringo). The guy in Cambodia ran but the other two, I tuned them up pretty good, especially the kid in Chimal.

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2678320]Congrats on your upcoming anniversary! IME that would a much more worthwhile anniversary to celebrate than a wedding anniversary, LOL.[/QUOTE]Only made it to four of those, ja ja.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2678165]If they put this food in front of me when I was morbidly obese.

Picada.

With pollo (chicken), queso (cheese), and salchicha (sausages).

Now my BMI is in the ideal range. Picada is my new favorite Colombian food. How about my new favorite food, period?

Picada forces pizza to abdicate the throne, jeje.

Kupla smoking' hot sisters woke me up after 2 AM knocking on my door with this treat.

Why ask why?

Foto: Don't make a snap judgement. That is what Picada looks like after three people have been mowing on it.[/QUOTE]Give Pollo sudado a try.

Bump.

I'd go for this too. Figure if I'm going to have someone clean the place I'll be staying at, might as well have it be a chick.

P.S. - Not a hot chick that is pretending to be a maid who is pretending to clean. I mean a LEGIT maid to do legit cleaning but willing to do it topless or naked just for the added entertainment.

[QUOTE=PunkedLife;2667596]Does anyone have any recommendations on any nude maid service? Yes, I am sure I can find a ton of chicas who can do this but that would require me to actively vet some of these girls because 99 percent of them can't be trusted not to steal something. Just an idea I had come up with and was wondering if anyone has done this. Any websites that actively advertise these types of services. I am sure I am not the only one who has considered something like this. I will be there for 2 weeks and my Airbnb won't have room service like I am used to from Poblado-type accommodations. PM is welcome too.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rochesterss;2677767]I will be in Medellin from March 26-April 1 if anyone wants to meet up and hit some casas. This will be my third trip, once in 2016, 2017, and now 2022.[/QUOTE]I will be there for the same days. First time in Medellin. Enough Spanish to get by. Poblado area.

Hi.

I'm visiting in May. I have a question about darker skinned chicas.

Are there many options for darker skinned girls in Medellin? And are there particular venues to find them? I've RTFF for 50+ pages but nothing jumps out in particular.

I've been reading the Cali forum and I'm attracted to visit there for the preponderance of dark skinned chicas, but I would be travelling only for 2 days (3 nights) and it's looking like $100 USD for flights, plus 4 airport taxis, which I can think of much better things to spend money on! Cali interests me in general due to the salsa scene, but I'm only on a 7 day trip as it is so it is a bit time-killer to fly to another city in that time. But willing to do it if I'm unlikely to find what I'm looking for in Medellin.

Thanks.

So this one chica I've been chatting with on Facebook wants to go to San Pedro for the Semana Santa for the festival or whatever they have there. We seem to click, but her profile seems fake and I mean we know how this can go. She picks the spot, has some homies nearby and bam. I'm outside of Medellin and pennyless / phoneless. Not a good spot to be in!

My question is, how could I do this with her while still protecting myself? I'm going to get to Medellin right around the beginning of that week, so we have time to meet up in safe locations and get to know each other better. I think I might take her to see a movie that's she was talking about, also fool around at a motel or two. She doesn't seem to have a job or a kid or family. So there's that. Do I just always keep her at arms length? Honestly I myself would like to see what's going on in San Pedro. I'm not Christian or religious, but festivity is festivity.

Leave MDE in a week. Been here 3 months. Higher highs and lower lows than ever before, but overall wouldn't trade a second of it for anything else. My right nut job took one step forwards, two steps back when Scarlet jumped on me and wrapped both her legs around my waist as a greeting, while I was standing. She was so happy to see me, can't get upset about that, but it still hurts.

I've definitely been pushing the limits of sexual endurance, probably as a compensatory mechanism for losing Catgirl's attention, it's hard to know what is going in when you are in the middle of it. There are signs. Like having the first seizure of my life. Nothing ominous, I did not sleep a wink for two nights and I took too many Chinese herbal boner pills and I had about a ten second seizure that woke me from sleep, with full awareness. Poor chica who was sleeping next to me jumped out of bed and yelled the Spanish equivalent of "What the Fuck? And ran into the bathroom, no help there, jajaja. When I asked her about it the next day she apologized and said she was too high to remember, jajajaaja.

If tomorrow goes as planned, will be one for the books. But nothing ever goes as planned in Medellin.

All fotos within the last 48 hours. Love you guys.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2678483]Hi.

I'm visiting in May. I have a question about darker skinned chicas.

Are there many options for darker skinned girls in Medellin? And are there particular venues to find them? I've RTFF for 50+ pages but nothing jumps out in particular.

I've been reading the Cali forum and I'm attracted to visit there for the preponderance of dark skinned chicas, but I would be travelling only for 2 days (3 nights) and it's looking like $100 USD for flights, plus 4 airport taxis, which I can think of much better things to spend money on! Cali interests me in general due to the salsa scene, but I'm only on a 7 day trip as it is so it is a bit time-killer to fly to another city in that time. But willing to do it if I'm unlikely to find what I'm looking for in Medellin.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Not as many dark skinned girls as you will find in other places of Colombia, particularly the lower Pacific coast. But that's one of the beauties of Medellin and Colombia in general. The full-blooded Colombian girls come in all shapes, sizes and color. Have fun and stay safe!

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2678483]Hi.

I'm visiting in May. I have a question about darker skinned chicas.

Are there many options for darker skinned girls in Medellin?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Depends what you mean by darker skinned. You will find plenty of coloured girls in mde, but not many blacks. Hope that is clear and bridges the cultural gap.

So glad that real ale has finally arrived and made drinking tolerable here.

Am sat in a bar in Envigado, listening to ech and the bunnymen, killing joke and the stranglers, whilst checking out 10 stouts snd IPAs, never thought that would happen. Still no Guinness though.

So how do you do this? Do you send her 20 k, do you reimburse her after. If you order her an uber, don't you need to time it for when she actually leaves haha I heard they are sometimes not so good at that.

Go to Jennylao disco for eye candy of the sort you mention. It is a disco not a casa. [URL]https://www.instagram.com/jennylaomedellin/[/URL].

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2678483]Hi.

I'm visiting in May. I have a question about darker skinned chicas.

Are there many options for darker skinned girls in Medellin? And are there particular venues to find them? I've RTFF for 50+ pages but nothing jumps out in particular.

I've been reading the Cali forum and I'm attracted to visit there for the preponderance of dark skinned chicas, but I would be travelling only for 2 days (3 nights) and it's looking like $100 USD for flights, plus 4 airport taxis, which I can think of much better things to spend money on! Cali interests me in general due to the salsa scene, but I'm only on a 7 day trip as it is so it is a bit time-killer to fly to another city in that time. But willing to do it if I'm unlikely to find what I'm looking for in Medellin.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BbqMushrooms;2678489]So how do you do this? Do you send her 20 k, do you reimburse her after. If you order her an uber, don't you need to time it for when she actually leaves haha I heard they are sometimes not so good at that.[/QUOTE]My chicas arrive, come to my room, ask for my taxi fare, and then go back down and pay it. That's actually a lot of extra work if you think about it, they are saving you. If you think it is easy and pleasant shuttling around to meet strangers you can try it some time. I go to a couple of girls instead of them coming to me and I really need to be motivated to do it.

Ninety percent of the time taxi fare will be under 20 mil COP or about five bucks so it's not worth getting bent out of shape over. A long taxi ride from Bello to El Centro can approach 25 mil. Then when she leaves she will expect taxi fare again. Or Uber, or Didi, or if you are lucky and staying in El Centro and she lives close by, shank's mare.

You are going to hear mongers tell you that they don't pay taxi but it's not worth arguing over with the chica or here, and you will pay one way or another. The "problem" with Uber or Didi is if you are paying them to leave, but they will expect to hang out in your room until the ride arrives and that can take some time.

I usually just tell them I pay 20 mil for taxi and leave it at that and I don't expect change. Now we are getting into the weeds. Mil stands for thousands, not millions, I've had a couple of guys ask me that lately.

Now that we have gotten thru that bullshite I will tell you what really happens. If you are dealing with a full time sex worker who is fairly busy she will be using a "friend" as a regular driver, maybe a taxi but more likely a private vehicle. That shouldn't really matter to you. Their ride will often wait downstairs and depending on the girl, they may also be using this friend for muscle, so be aware. I've never had a problem, meaning if she calls in the muscle you might deserve what's coming to you.

Don't try to talk to them about taking the metro. Medellin has one of the best metro systems in the world but when you only live in the place where you grew up, there aren't any comparisons. Even the lower strata girls are snobs about using it. As Catgirl once told me, "the metro is for working people and tourists." They assume anyone riding it not during rush hour is a tourist or a neerdowell. Weird but that's the vibe. Plus, a lot of these girls are miniature and they get smushed riding metro.

Ostee Out and Keep On Keepin' On.

[QUOTE=BbqMushrooms;2678489]So how do you do this? Do you send her 20 k, do you reimburse her after. If you order her an uber, don't you need to time it for when she actually leaves haha I heard they are sometimes not so good at that.[/QUOTE]I suggest you just go ahead and do it. After a few transactions, you will get the hang of it. Whatever money you lost due to not knowing how things work, should be viewed as the price of tuition.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2678508]I suggest you just go ahead and do it. After a few transactions, you will get the hang of it. Whatever money you lost due to not knowing how things work, should be viewed as the price of tuition.[/QUOTE]So you let them figure out a way over, then give them the money for the taxi when they arrive?

[QUOTE=RacShack;2678409]Let's just say it's way more of a relaxed experience for me when nice hot showers are available before and after fuck and relaxing massage sessions.

Sets my mood right instead of ice cold water on body making me shiver! And for you?[/QUOTE]80-90 percent of the residential population of the greater Medellin area do not have hot water. If you grew up without hot water your whole life, I bet a cold shower feels normal.

They get used to it, some of them love the hot water, some of the girls avoid it. I've had girls laugh at me because I would not stand in a cold shower. Surprise, surprise, most of the chicas seem to like it somewhere in the middle, otherwise known as warm. Catgirl takes the hottest shower of any girl I have met here.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2678508]I suggest you just go ahead and do it. After a few transactions, you will get the hang of it. Whatever money you lost due to not knowing how things work, should be viewed as the price of tuition.[/QUOTE]Look I'm not an idiot. But I see in the posts people discussing money + taxi for negotiation. So how do you pay the taxi for someone arriving?

[QUOTE=BbqMushrooms;2678489]So how do you do this? Do you send her 20 k, do you reimburse her after. If you order her an uber, don't you need to time it for when she actually leaves haha I heard they are sometimes not so good at that.[/QUOTE]It's really up to you. Play it how you want to and what's reasonable and comfortable for you. Make sure that you communicate this. I also suggest that you use the search function in this forum to acquire additional information about Medellin.

[QUOTE=BbqMushrooms;2678484]So this one chica I've been chatting with on Facebook wants to go to San Pedro for the Semana Santa for the festival or whatever they have there. We seem to click, but her profile seems fake and I mean we know how this can go. She picks the spot, has some homies nearby and bam. I'm outside of Medellin and pennyless / phoneless. Not a good spot to be in!

My question is, how could I do this with her while still protecting myself? I'm going to get to Medellin right around the beginning of that week, so we have time to meet up in safe locations and get to know each other better. I think I might take her to see a movie that's she was talking about, also fool around at a motel or two. She doesn't seem to have a job or a kid or family. So there's that. Do I just always keep her at arms length? Honestly I myself would like to see what's going on in San Pedro. I'm not Christian or religious, but festivity is festivity.[/QUOTE]This is classic risk versus reward. The easy and short answer would be "go for it!" and probably everything would work out fine. But your own awareness is warning you of the traps and pitfalls, or worse. Long story short, if this is your first trip to Medellin, you bit off more than you can chew. Aim a little lower, and you can still have the time of your life by just being here and discovering the Medellin Magic with your new friend.

Best thing to do is negotiate a price which includes their transportation and let them figure it out. If you go with the "fee plus taxi" model, then I usually use one of three options:

1) I go down to meet her at the taxi and pay what's on the meter (if the meter is erased, I won't pay). I give her about the same when she leaves.

2) Send her home by Uber, which you pay for through your phone.

3) Have her use Driver and note the amount that she offers to the driver.

Once you have been in Medellin long enough, you'll have a good idea what it costs to bring girls to your place. Girls from Bello, Popular, Sabaneta, Itagui will cost more (depending on where you are) and girls coming from Belen, Aranjuez, Manrique, etc. Will cost you less.

[QUOTE=BbqMushrooms;2678489]So how do you do this? Do you send her 20 k, do you reimburse her after. If you order her an uber, don't you need to time it for when she actually leaves haha I heard they are sometimes not so good at that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2678427]Been here the past 4 days, one day twice. Theyre open 7 days a week, 10-7 pm. 45 min 100 k 130 k 1 HR.

Carr 80 #44-139. The house with the giant cactus poking up above the roof.

In order of performance:

Daniela..[/QUOTE]Will have to go back and try it again. First time I went was in December and they few girls available at the time were just average but doable. They said a few more would be arriving soon, so me and 2 friends had a couple beers while we waited. By the time they showed up, we were paying our bill to head elsewhere. Beers were 12 k each which was surprising. My Columbian friend asked if that was cause we didn't take a girl and they said that it was the normal price.

At JohnnyWalker can you or at Fudi Maar send me the location for Cuba casa as well as a contact number (Sebastion maybe)? Place sounds pretty good. Tia.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2678666]Best thing to do is negotiate a price which includes their transportation and let them figure it out. [/QUOTE]Why is that way the best? Edumucate me. Did you intend to say, "This is the way I do it?" or is it really the best way and why? If I should change the way I do it, I will.

[QUOTE=BbqMushrooms;2678546]Look I'm not an idiot. But I see in the posts people discussing money + taxi for negotiation. So how do you pay the taxi for someone arriving?[/QUOTE]If the girl needs money to pay for the taxi, she will usually mention it when you're setting the date. Once she arrives, she'll message you to come down and pay. Just head down to the street, pay the driver and take her up to your room.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2678485]Leave MDE in a week. Been here 3 months. Higher highs and lower lows than ever before, but overall wouldn't trade a second of it for anything else. My right nut job took one step forwards, two steps back when Scarlet jumped on me and wrapped both her legs around my waist as a greeting, while I was standing. She was so happy to see me, can't get upset about that, but it still hurts.

I've definitely been pushing the limits of sexual endurance, probably as a compensatory mechanism for losing Catgirl's attention, it's hard to know what is going in when you are in the middle of it. There are signs. Like having the first seizure of my life. Nothing ominous, I did not sleep a wink for two nights and I took too many Chinese herbal boner pills and I had about a ten second seizure that woke me from sleep, with full awareness. Poor chica who was sleeping next to me jumped out of bed and yelled the Spanish equivalent of "What the Fuck? And ran into the bathroom, no help there, jajaja. When I asked her about it the next day she apologized and said she was too high to remember, jajajaaja.

If tomorrow goes as planned, will be one for the books. But nothing ever goes as planned in Medellin.

All fotos within the last 48 hours. Love you guys.[/QUOTE]If you leaving Medellin I guess this means time for Top 10 ??

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2678483]Hi.

I'm visiting in May. I have a question about darker skinned chicas.

Are there many options for darker skinned girls in Medellin? And are there particular venues to find them? I've RTFF for 50+ pages but nothing jumps out in particular.

I've been reading the Cali forum and I'm attracted to visit there for the preponderance of dark skinned chicas, but I would be travelling only for 2 days (3 nights) and it's looking like $100 USD for flights, plus 4 airport taxis, which I can think of much better things to spend money on! Cali interests me in general due to the salsa scene, but I'm only on a 7 day trip as it is so it is a bit time-killer to fly to another city in that time. But willing to do it if I'm unlikely to find what I'm looking for in Medellin..[/QUOTE]Can you give a better definition of dark skinned?

Most of the girls in Medellin have dark skin, when compared to white girls from the Midwest. However, it's more of a medium tan than dark. There are black women, ranging from light skinned to very dark. If you're looking for exclusively very dark black women, you'll have to search a bit harder in Medellin, but you can find them.

Much more common are the mestizos, a mixture of white and indigenous people, with tan to dark tan skin.

[QUOTE=BbqMushrooms;2678484]So this one chica I've been chatting with on Facebook wants to go to San Pedro for the Semana Santa for the festival or whatever they have there. We seem to click, but her profile seems fake and I mean we know how this can go. She picks the spot, has some homies nearby and bam. I'm outside of Medellin and pennyless / phoneless. Not a good spot to be in!

My question is, how could I do this with her while still protecting myself? I'm going to get to Medellin right around the beginning of that week, so we have time to meet up in safe locations and get to know each other better. I think I might take her to see a movie that's she was talking about, also fool around at a motel or two. She doesn't seem to have a job or a kid or family. So there's that. Do I just always keep her at arms length? Honestly I myself would like to see what's going on in San Pedro. I'm not Christian or religious, but festivity is festivity.[/QUOTE]Don't do it!

It's not because you're being set up for robbery, although I suppose that's a possibility. It's because you'll be completely out of your element.

My first mongering trip I made the mistake you're trying to make. There was a girl, she was hot, we seemed to really hit it off in the weeks before my trip. I was convinced to meet up with her and take her to another place for a few days. Fortunately, the night before I was supposed to meet her, I realized that I was in over my head. I didn't know the girl, I didn't know the country, I didn't even know the language. What were we going to do for 72 hours? What if we didn't hit it off in person? Not only would I be wasting 3 days of my vacation, but I would be spending much more than necessary.

Instead I canceled and got myself to an easy mongering destination and ended up having a great time and I cut my expenses enough to stay 2 days longer.

Go to Medellin, meet the girl, meet several girls and have fun. If you find one you want to spend more time with after you've enjoyed sex with her, go on a date, see a movie, whatever. Then on your next trip maybe think about taking her somewhere for a few days.

Last couple days been seeing this same FB girl. She looks really good but I'm a little suspicious. Is there a place I can take her to both get tested where I can get same day results and I can actually understand the results. (bad at spanish). There is [URL]https://englishspeakingdoctormedellin.com/online-medical-consultations-medellin/[/URL] but I heard they are super busy this week.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2678715]If you leaving Medellin I guess this means time for Top 10..[/QUOTE]There have been some seismic shifts. I will need time back in the states to clear my head. I'm going to layover in Florida for a long weekend, then bus home and think about it then.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2678727]Don't do it!

It's not because you're being set up for robbery, although I suppose that's a possibility. It's because you'll be completely out of your element.

My first mongering trip I made the mistake you're trying to make. There was a girl, she was hot, we seemed to really hit it off in the weeks before my trip. I was convinced to meet up with her and take her to another place for a few days. Fortunately, the night before I was supposed to meet her, I realized that I was in over my head. I didn't know the girl, I didn't know the country, I didn't even know the language. What were we going to do for 72 hours? What if we didn't hit it off in person? Not only would I be wasting 3 days of my vacation, but I would be spending much more than necessary.

Instead I canceled and got myself to an easy mongering destination and ended up having a great time and I cut my expenses enough to stay 2 days longer..[/QUOTE][B]This is sage advice.[/B] Other people should pay attention because it comes up again and again.

Make a date with the girl. If you hit it off you can plan something but it is an absolute horror show (in the making) to plan a trip with a girl you've never met in person. Slightly less hopeless (but even more popular) is to plan an overnight or a trio with a girl you've never met. That too has horror show written all over it. What do you do when she shows up and you don't like what you see? No problem, right. Send her home with taxi fare and a small portion of the fee. But she is going to be pissed. She had other dates lined up and scheduled you and now you're sending her home early with only a fraction of what she expected to collect. She calls her brother and if you're lucky he isn't a sicario (or a good friend of one) maybe he just knows a few cops.

Or as a friend once related to me. The girl didn't have a brother so she went to the lobby and raised hell with the portero / receptionist. She wanted to call the cops. They finally calmed her down and she left. The next morning the hotel manager knocked on his door and told him to take his whoring somewhere else.

This all gets to be a mess.

All you had to do was apply common sense. You don't plan a trip or an overnight or a trio with a girl you don't know. There is plenty of time to do that on the 2nd or 3rd date.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2678719]Can you give a better definition of dark skinned?

Most of the girls in Medellin have dark skin, when compared to white girls from the Midwest. However, it's more of a medium tan than dark. There are black women, ranging from light skinned to very dark. If you're looking for exclusively very dark black women, you'll have to search a bit harder in Medellin, but you can find them.

Much more common are the mestizos, a mixture of white and indigenous people, with tan to dark tan skin.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I'm hoping to meet some black ladies. The darker the better. Which is why Cali appeals to me.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2678666]Best thing to do is negotiate a price which includes their transportation and let them figure it out. If you go with the "fee plus taxi" model, then I usually use one of three options:

1) I go down to meet her at the taxi and pay what's on the meter (if the meter is erased, I won't pay). I give her about the same when she leaves.

2) Send her home by Uber, which you pay for through your phone.

3) Have her use Driver and note the amount that she offers to the driver.

Once you have been in Medellin long enough, you'll have a good idea what it costs to bring girls to your place. Girls from Bello, Popular, Sabaneta, Itagui will cost more (depending on where you are) and girls coming from Belen, Aranjuez, Manrique, etc. Will cost you less.[/QUOTE]This is what I was looking for. Awesome.[QUOTE=JjBee62;2678727]Don't do it!

It's not because you're being set up for robbery, although I suppose that's a possibility. It's because you'll be completely out of your element..[/QUOTE]Thank you, this is just the advice I needed to hear. Much appreciated!

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2678830]Thanks. I'm hoping to meet some black ladies. The darker the better. Which is why Cali appeals to me.[/QUOTE]Was just there earlier this year. There's really no comp. They'll tell you in the Cali thread, if you want black, go there. Barely any black girls in Medellin tbh.

[QUOTE=BbqMushrooms;2678489]So how do you do this? Do you send her 20 k, do you reimburse her after. If you order her an uber, don't you need to time it for when she actually leaves haha I heard they are sometimes not so good at that.[/QUOTE]I only bring chicks I don't know to places that have a 24/7 reception and security that checks sedulas and registers them. I also ask the reception to call me if she leaves the room alone to verify all is good and no problems. And I let the girl know that I like where I am staying because they are really careful with cameras in the halls and a lot of security which protects the girls and me. I ask for them to dress conservatively for the reception but to wear something underneath or bring something super sexy with them to look sexier for me.

If its the 1st time meeting a girl, I tell her to message me as she arrives so I can come down and pay the driver. If I don't like how she looks / bait and switch / photos too doctored or the vibe feels off like if I think she is wasted in a bad way, or if she smells bad and is too hairy (happened once chick showed up with hairier ams than me and weird moles on her face that were photoshopped from her pictures). -I pay the driver to take her away. If I like the vibe / energy / look-I pay the driver. Almost always its 20 kcop.

Then register her and take her up.

If I know her, meaning she is a repeat, I will just ask her to pay the taxi and when I pay her out at the end it will be the taxi, negotiated rate and tip depending on how happy she makes me. I only take the money out once at the end.

Its always stated up front that I pay at the end and what my condom rules -or not FR BJs are. And what's expected. Clear communication ahead of time is very important.

Be specific.

I tell them the time we book is the time-if she is more than 15 minutes after the time we plan-don't bother. I ask where she is coming from and tell her how long it should take to get to me and then ask if she can leave to me at the time that gets her to me when our appointment is supposed to be if not either make another appointment time or forget it. I also tell them that being on time goes into how I factor tips-because that's part of me being happy. I don't negotiate a specific amount of time like 60 minutes. And instead sy 2-3 hours or more, multiple pops etc.

Never argue or fight over a few bucks. Just move along and don't see her again if she nickels / dimes or tries to renegotiate or demand more.

Keep the messages until she leaves-if she asks for more than in the messages-show her the messages.

Don't let them know you are a rookie.

Speak Spanish. I do and it does make a huge difference for me and my fun in Medellin.

The non Spanish speakers who are having fun are unaware of how much more fun the experience is when you do speak Spanish, so they think they are all that but don't really know since they are limited to only their experiences.

I have heard a lot of stories from Spanish speakers and non Spanish speakers there.

I know my experience.

Learn Spanish for a better time, easier communication, less scamming energy form the girls and a better success rate at vetting potential sessions.

[QUOTE=BbqMushrooms;2678484]So this one chica I've been chatting with on Facebook wants to go to San Pedro for the Semana Santa for the festival or whatever they have there. We seem to click, but her profile seems fake and I mean we know how this can go. She picks the spot, has some homies nearby and bam. I'm outside of Medellin and pennyless / phoneless. Not a good spot to be in!

My question is, how could I do this with her while still protecting myself? I'm going to get to Medellin right around the beginning of that week, so we have time to meet up in safe locations and get to know each other better. I think I might take her to see a movie that's she was talking about, also fool around at a motel or two. She doesn't seem to have a job or a kid or family. So there's that. Do I just always keep her at arms length? Honestly I myself would like to see what's going on in San Pedro. I'm not Christian or religious, but festivity is festivity.[/QUOTE]1st meet her at your place with 24/7 security so her sedula is registered and you can feel a vibe. Spend 2-3 hours together.

If all good add to it with another session: meet again at your place, have her register again-maybe fool around a bit, get a BJ then take her for dinner and back to your place for a 2nd round. Maybe a 3rd. If you are vibing, ask her to spend a night.

If after 2-3 dates where she shows you she has no problems registering her cedula with you security people and at that point you have more info on her, know her ID is real because the hotel reception will know that more than just you checking it- and if you can see that its not awkward during down times / between fucks, then worry about doing a longer overnight / multi day trip with someone.

My experience is the seeking arrangement chicks have been better for those types of excursions. I had a 3rd date with one where we went to thermales de cabral for 2 nights and that was a great time with a truly stunning hottie who was a real nurse in a hospital had ID / credentials, social media and photos, multiple ids, could carry a conversation etc.

If you do not speak Spanish well enough to carry a conversation with her-don't bother taking a girl somewhere for more than a few hours--just keep it to sexy time and simple dates.

I met up with one chick at the Exploratorium at 130 pm-she was about 30 minutes late-fairly typical but was in constant communication with me and did send photos of. Traffic accident that she blamed for the delay--who knows the truth.

She did offer a seemingly sincere apology for making me wait--and we played around the Exploratorium for an hour or so, then walked around the botanical gardens before we took the metro to Poblado where we walked to a place and for a snack (cake hot chocolate / coffee) and then back to my hotel a few months ago. It was our first time meeting-we met in public, had a nice conversation--and then a lot of fun until she left my place at about 1130 pm. All in was 300 lcop plus 20 for the taxi. I dropped multiple loads, had a fun time and enjoyed the hand holding / gentle energy we shared in the gardens. Well worth it for me. Would not have been any fun if I didn't speak Spanish.

The Zoo is a great date-its not too big, located convenient to a lot of places, is fun and can help the vibe. A date like that is way better than planning an out of towner with someone you haven't spent a few times with.

What if you take her somewhere and al lis good--but, when you do a finger smell check on 1st touches down there-you don't like her smell? Better to know that stuff in your room where you an wash hands, just ask for a BJ and send her on her way.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2678853]Was just there earlier this year. There's really no comp. They'll tell you in the Cali thread, if you want black, go there. Barely any black girls in Medellin tbh.[/QUOTE]Thank you! I only have 6 days in Colombia as it is. So I need to make sure that the extra hassle of an internal flight is worth it. From what I've read, and what people here are saying, it sounds like the trip to Cali is going to be worth it. There are a couple of good contacts on the Cali forum, so I think I'll take the chance an see what happens. It sounds like finding black women in Medellin may be difficult, and even more difficult with only a week to spend there.

Hey guys,

Planning on go over there in 2023. Making plans as we speak.

Any word on this chica? [URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/andrea3044762499[/URL] I tried lookin up her name on here but it's common but no photo references. If anybody has seen her, what's the service like and how her face?

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2678858]My experience is the seeking arrangement chicks have been better for those types of excursions. I had a 3rd date with one where we went to thermales de cabral for 2 nights and that was a great time with a truly stunning hottie who was a real nurse in a hospital had ID / credentials, social media and photos, multiple ids, could carry a conversation etc.

If you do not speak Spanish well enough to carry a conversation with her-don't bother taking a girl somewhere for more than a few hours--just keep it to sexy time and simple dates.

I met up with one chick at the Exploratorium at 130 pm-she was about 30 minutes late-fairly typical but was in constant communication with me and did send photos of. Traffic accident that she blamed for the delay--who knows the truth.

She did offer a seemingly sincere apology for making me wait--and we played around the Exploratorium for an hour or so, then walked around the botanical gardens before we took the metro to Poblado where we walked to a place and for a snack (cake hot chocolate / coffee) and then back to my hotel a few months ago. It was our first time meeting-we met in public, had a nice conversation--and then a lot of fun until she left my place at about 1130 pm. All in was 300 lcop plus 20 for the taxi. I dropped multiple loads, had a fun time and enjoyed the hand holding / gentle energy we shared in the gardens. Well worth it for me. Would not have been any fun if I didn't speak Spanish..[/QUOTE]This is awesome. I'm going to more strongly consider signing up for seeking.

I let my guard down and a chica stole some info from my phone, for sure. I am still having trouble following my own advice because I have posted on here before not to let the chicas touch your phone or computer. They are super-users and fast as lightening. They will generally have some innocent reason for usng your phone like picking music or getting on Facebook, and when you protest they all put on the same act, "How could you possibly think I would do anything bad to you?" They somehow all use the same moves, I guess they have some kind of Secret Society or something, jajaja, PA or Putas Anonymous, jaja.

This chica I have known for over two years but I was getting some strange vibes from her lately. Not so ironically, I had already decided to take her off my Top Ten List, and then this happened. Not nearly the major breach that happened last time when info in my phone was used against me by a chica. Consider this a friendly warning, these chicas are not stupid even when they appear to be. They pick their spots. I compound the problem by being a little too trusting and gullible. As the saying goes, live and learn, I guess. Ostee Out!

[QUOTE=Taylor707;2678678]...First time I went was in December and they few girls available at the time were just average but doable. They said a few more would be arriving soon, so me and 2 friends had a couple beers while we waited. By the time they showed up, we were paying our bill to head elsewhere. Beers were 12 k each which was surprising. My Columbian friend asked if that was cause we didn't take a girl and they said that it was the normal price...[/QUOTE]Interesting, my wingman and I visited that place last December and had the same experience. We did not like the women that were available, so they told us they were expecting more girls to show up. We sat down and ordered some beers. After close to 40 min, there were no new girls. We paid our bill and left. Never went back.

I quickly scanned my fotos to find these black chicas from Medellin with a couple of cheats. The girl waving is my ex-wife. The chica with the blue hair is from Cali and hawter than fuk.

If you want to go strictly by the numbers, sure you will have a higher percentage of black girls in Cali, but I have been to Cali and I am in no hurry to return there. There are more than enough dark chicas here in Medellin for me to scratch that itch, plus Medellin has got Cali beat in general, in my opinion.

Two girls on my Top Ten List are dark black and from Medellin. If you are looking for a reason to go visit Cali, then go for it.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2678856]Speak Spanish. I do and it does make a huge difference for me and my fun in Medellin.

The non Spanish speakers who are having fun are unaware of how much more fun the experience is when you do speak Spanish, so they think they are all that but don't really know since they are limited to only their experiences.

I have heard a lot of stories from Spanish speakers and non Spanish speakers there.

I know my experience.

Learn Spanish for a better time, easier communication, less scamming energy form the girls and a better success rate at vetting potential sessions.[/QUOTE]Your preaching to the choir on this.

What amazes me is how guys can spend more than "short time", meaning travelling on overnight trips with a Chica and rely solely on a translator.

And these guy's are having fun, or at least that is their perception, yet are clueless as you mention as to how much more fun it might be, along with avoiding lot's of pitfalls.

It wasn't clear in the poster asking for advice whether he spoke any Spanish, and my bet is he doesn't, and he got lots of good advice from other members, all of which basically said was to " vet" the girl before going on an overnight trip with them.

I ate dinner in Manila last night, and afterwards walked up to Provenza, and the place was jammed packed and rocking.

Walking down from Provenza, along the Quebrada in route to Parque Lleras, and for those who don't know it, the park is currently being "remodeled", and is totally fenced off, and whatever they are doing it's quite extensive, as literally everything on the interior of the Park except larger trees has been demolished.

I took a lap around the park, and there were a lot of girls out near Juan Valdez, on the sidewalks along the Gusto's side of the park, and at the bottom of the park.

In fact, a lot of them were lined up, and concentrated in the areas I mentioned, especially near the bottom of the park.

Unfortunately though, a lot of the businesses in Lleras are still shuttered, but in Provenza there was no evidence of havoc from the Pandemic as it was in full swing, with very few gringos, and lots and lots of stunningly beautiful women around, albeit not the working types.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2678488]So glad that real ale has finally arrived and made drinking tolerable here.

Am sat in a bar in Envigado, listening to ech and the bunnymen, killing joke and the stranglers, whilst checking out 10 stouts snd IPAs, never thought that would happen. Still no Guinness though.[/QUOTE]The Corner Bar next to the Unicentro mall in Laureles has a bunch of good beers on draft and bottle. You can see their beer list on Untappd. They had a couple of porters when I was there 2 weeks ago. A pretty good craft beer bar.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2678889]I let my guard down and a chica stole some info from my phone, for sure. I am still having trouble following my own advice because I have posted on here before not to let the chicas touch your phone or computer. They are super-users and fast as lightening. They will generally have some innocent reason for usng your phone like picking music or getting on Facebook, and when you protest they all put on the same act, "How could you possibly think I would do anything bad to you?" They somehow all use the same moves, I guess they have some kind of Secret Society or something, jajaja, PA or Putas Anonymous, jaja.

This chica I have known for over two years but I was getting some strange vibes from her lately. Not so ironically, I had already decided to take her off my Top Ten List, and then this happened. Not nearly the major breach that happened last time when info in my phone was used against me by a chica. Consider this a friendly warning, these chicas are not stupid even when they appear to be. They pick their spots. I compound the problem by being a little too trusting and gullible. As the saying goes, live and learn, I guess. Ostee Out![/QUOTE]I would be in a world of hurt if one of my Chicas had access to my phone. And besides keeping it locked. Meaning unless you have the four digit code, or my face, they won't be utilizing my phone.

Another thing I do is I mute the phone as well, so whenever there's a call or message, you don't hear it, and to avoid seeing the messages, I always keep my phone face down.

And something else worth mentioning is that a lot of these Chicas will go thru your Whatsapp messages and that may create some problems for you big time.

I agree with you, keeping you phone out the paws of these Chicas is the smart thing to do, always!

Thanks to the great information on these forums and experiences with Colombian women in Spain, I've decided to visit Medellin for a few weeks. Before arriving I lined up a number of contacts on SA, although I avoided FB due to the perception those girls may be lower quality. My two main conclusions from this week are that SA girls provide great girlfriend experiences for those with less demanding tastes for physical aesthetics, and that finding exceptional girls will require a better command of Spanish and building relationships with Medellin natives over time.

The day after arriving I had lunch with my first choice from SA, a college student. We started in Spanish but quickly switched to English (Every girl I chose had some ability to speak English). After lunch, we headed back to my place. We watched a movie and she ended up staying until after dinner. She was extremely affectionate and wanted more sex than my jet lagged body wanted to provide (which is the best problem one can have with a woman).

The next day was lost to a Colombian holiday where no one was answering their WhatsApp, presumably because they were busy with family.

The day after I had a dinner date scheduled with my second choice from SA. She suggested not being able to make it because her clothes were dirty from a weekend trip, and being the idiot that I am, I didn't prepare an alternative. Lesson learned is that Colombian women are very direct when saying yes, and anything with a hint of ambiguity is a no. The following day the same girl missed our dinner date because she got home too late from work to change. Lesson there is that Medellin traffic is pretty bad and any post-work dates should depart directly from work.

The next day was better with lunch from SA girl #1 and a successful dinner with #2. Despite her being engaged and affectionate, I had difficulty performing with SA girl #1 because her body is more of a normal girls body and I've been spoiled by porn and high end escorts. SA girl #2 was beautiful but rather cold, possibly because she wasn't originally from Medellin (are girls from around Bogota colder?

The following day I confirmed my problem with normal college girls, meeting SA girl #3, a cute and intelligent college student with a normal girl's body. Great conversation but not exciting sexually and thus unable to perform. I have a theory that pharmaceutical help is not necessary for anyone if the girl is sufficiently attractive, young and engaged.

Following that experience, I ordered a very expensive and gorgeous professional from SA, had excellent sex but ultimately was disappointed by the lack of genuine affection and drive to extract as much $ as possible from the interaction. She gave me her personal number and left open the possibility of more intimate meetings as well as longer term arrangements.

I'm willing to throw money at the problem to get a true girlfriend experience with a gorgeous girl. I think that might be achieved in two ways. Repeating with a high end professional until she mellows (will check out Loutron one of these days). Or using the SA girls I get along with to meet their friends, acquaintances and network until I find the girl I like. The first one seems like the short term solution, whereas the second seems like a long term solution.

Other meaningful observations.

- Rappi is a must have for convenient and even healthy food. The food here is the best I've had in the US and Europe due to the incredible variety in fruit, vegetables, grains and nuts which are always in season.

- Security guards at high-end apartment complexes require the girls to present ID and register before going up to your room. You can request that they also require the girl to walk out with you to confirm your safety.

- I bought a cheap burner phone branded Vivo for travel to less safe areas (outside Poblado). Losing my main phone would be a huge pain in the ass. In general, I feel safe in Poblado.

- I bought a second SIM which I connect to WhatsApp business for messaging new girls and insulating my main number from any crazies. When the relationship improves sufficiently, I transfer them to my primary number.

- Uber is great but seems to require you to sit up front which isn't great when traveling with a girl. Will try Cabify for this in the future.

- It is virtually impossible to find decaf coffee here.