Seoul

[QUOTE]Originally posted by New World Order
[i]Greetings jimhard69 :)

To get to Finkle:

There is a Starbucks at the Yeoksam station area and it faces the main road (Tae-hang-ro). The main entrance of Starbucks is facing towards a small alley (and not the main road).

Stand in front of the main entrance. You will see two small alleys. Go to the alley that is on the left. Enter the alley and walk (for about 20 meters) until you see another alley on your left.

Walk and on your right, you will see a glass door and a barbor pole of each side. The sign will read "ÇÎŬ" in white letters on a pink background. If you open the glass door, you will see a red-colored stairway down. Go downstairs and you will see the mamasan eating a f*ckin banana and one of the working girls sucking on an ice cream. LOL :)

Tell them that a Korean-American from Chicago introduced you to that place. :)

Itaewon, one club I went to was Hollywood. A lot of sl*tty Korean girls go there to meet foreign men. I lie to the girls that I am half Japanese. LOL :)

Good luck~~~

Sincerely,

New World Order [/i][/QUOTE]Well, after more positive than negative about Finkle or Pinkle or whatever, decided to try it out. Directions weren't too bad but here is a few corrections or differences I found. Take the alley from Starbucks as described (left alley), then take the first alley to the right. Finkle is on the left. I walked around several streets and alley's to make sure I had the right place (only one with a pink sign with white letters, red carpet at the enterance).

I specifically asked for Star. Not a lot of English being thrown around but she met the descriptions previously posted here so I think it was her.

Everything also as described up until you get to the "action" after the shower. All she could do was whine how big I was and she couldn't take me. Hey, I'm just a regular guy and all I really wanted was a bj, but even that wasn't going to happen.

I should have adiosed right then and asked for some of my $100 back, but then I got stupid and figured there wasn't going to be any shooting for a while because she'd totally ruined the event with all the things she "couldn't do", so I decided to make her stroke long and hard for her money.

Any, if she's hit and miss, depending on the mood, I would recommend you go somewhere else (like Amsterdam - what a great time I had there a couple of days ago)!

Cheers!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheContinental
[i]With regards to the Se Asian, well most Koreans realize that it is somewhat hypocritical of them to chastize foreigners with Korean girls, considering the influence of foreign countries in building Korea's economy.[/i][/QUOTE]Frankly, I think the statement that you made above is quite delusional; I don't know of any Korean who knows of such 'hypocrisy' you're talking about. Let me see, so in your mind you believe that if a country A helps another country B, B must accept that A has an automatic right to be with B's women? It doesn't exactly work that way, friend. Think about it: If your own motherland country got help from another country, would you readily accept that this country has an automatic right to be with your country's women? This is common sense, man. Geez, put yourself in the Koreans' shoes for once. Economy and the social world are two different things. I may be a foreigner but I know the difference between privilege and preference / choice. Yes, the Koreans may have gotten help from outside countries, but let's be real, please--we don't get automatic privilege in that way.

And I do agree with what NY Yankees said, you do seem to tend to bash Korean men every chance you get in your posts. Any personal feelings you have against the Korean guys?

Seoulblade,

Yeah I was also going to stress exactly what you wrote but thought my message was getting long and winded. Let me just add, no country helps another country merely out of sympathy and pity. Everything is business, the foreign countries sure didn't help korea just out of good will. I'm sure those foreign countries benefitted very well finacially too, due to korea's boom. Continental's remark sure sounds like as if the koreans must bow down and hand them the town keys. Like I said before, let's just put our differences aside and enjoy life while it's there.

Screw all this political, social, etc. BS happening here, lets get back to the subject at hand, I just got back from the philippines and I will post my FR there but for here I just got back from Young Joo Gol.

As I'm writing this, it's 3am on 7/23, just got back from there and I drove myself, so I will try to give directions, the best I can.

The first thing you are looking for is Camp Stanton, the US Army base, if you figure out where that is, you just found YJG.

Starting from Seoul Station, you know there's like 6 streets that intersect there, you take the most left one, when facing the streets from Seoul Station. Anyway, you are looking for Station 320 Kubabal, from there the road splits, one that keeps going where the subway goes and one that goes toward Paju. When going on the road that the subway runs along, basically, just keep going straight while at Kubabal, the subway will fork to the right road. You stay on this road forever, when you think you went to far, keep going, it's like 30km on this road I think. You pass small bridges, you will come upon a fork in the road kinda, let me explains, first off there is some small stone monument with the Lions Club symbol underneath, hopefully, you guys know what the Lions Club is, it's a L with some fancy design around it, the signs around it will say Paju City Hall, you don't go that way, you can go straight to Paju City Hall but the road on the right lane curves, not a 90 degree turn but a slow right bend. Remember to look for the stone monument with Korean on it, with the Lions Club symbol on the bottom. Ok, now you are on the correct road, from here there are a couple of ways to go but the easiest is, you come upon a bridge, there's an overpass, the first big overpass, like when you are on a freeway and there's a big overpass/road above you. Go underneath the overpass and then make the first possible right turn, you come to a small road, some construction going on, it's a booney road, just keep going until you get to a T in the road, you must go left or right, on the right you will see the Family Mart, you know you are at the right place, next make a Left, you will pass Camp Stanton, salute the the men that protect your freedom, now keep going, you pass a big mountain, keep going over the mountain, when you get to the next big town, keep looking on the left side, you can't miss the lights, if you see another Family Mart, you just passed it, turn around 20 yards and unless you are seriously blind, you won't miss it. It's right before the small bridge.

It was pretty dangerous for me to go there tonight because of the weather, it's pouring like crazy in Seoul right now but this is the only night I'm here so I had to stop by since it's been awhile and I did promise you all directions to the place.

Obviously, the best thing to do, if my directions are sucky is to figure out where Camp Stanton is, from there one road goes toward YJG and the other toward the Family Mart at the T of the road. You're basically between 2 Family Marts at the two towns.

And being that Camp Stanton is like 10 minutes from there and I never seen one American GI, I guess it's known that they don't take foreigners there but when I was there at the back alleys, I said I was looking for my white friend so that this girl would let go of my shirt and I was telling her that he got refused service and I didn't want him to be sad, she told me to bring him after I was done with her, so I don't know if she just said that to make me a customer at the moment but she did offer, the one I did finally get service from said she never takes foreigners and that they don't do that there.

I'm very tired and I will post my experience there in a couple of days of what happened, as well as my philippines expericence so check there too.

Mool

[quote]originally posted by moolman
[i]from talking to the girls i've met, the main reason they've told me that they won't serve non-koreans is because of a fear of stds, even with condom use. i think that's kinda understandalbe since if i had to take my chances, i that's what i would do, even though that that doesn't guarentee shit. some of these girls are dumb as nuts. like i said in my previous post, one girl thought she would get an std because i wanted to use a rubber. since they prefer or don't require a rubber, maybe they think they will get a std from going bb and on top of that some think you can get an std from the condom. seriously, there's a reason why some girls work in this profession.

mool [/i][/quote]

jesus dude!!

and you believe this????
since when is koreas health care system better than that of the west?
all korean men well 90% dont wear condoms when they sleep with hookers!!!
these same men who go to thailand, philipines, south east asia and have sex without condoms!!
and they think we have stds? hahaahahahhahaha
do these *****s really think their men are cleaner than us??
jesus chirst!!

i dont want to bash koreans or korea... but i have lived here for 7 years now.. i know a little about korean men and woman!
koreans are hyprocrites!! and embezzling, cheating , takers!!
they hate it when foreigners beat them in anything, they hate it when foreigners sleep with korean girls!!

just look at the stupid events like the winter olympics with the ice speed skating appolo ono.. how childish they acted!!
look how they acted when the military allegedly killed those two girls!
but 30 children are killed daily on the roads here!!
banning foreigners from restaurants, bars etc...
it goes on and on! and yes i know this is not the place to talk about it!! so i will stop!!
one last thing in the united states of america!!
and other civalized countries!!!
its illegal to discriminate!!!
illegal!! you can be arrested or your business closed down!!
korea has a long way to go before they can be labelled decent humans!!!

dont get me wrong!! i am generalizing.. i love this country and its people!! but these are facts too!!!
p.s this is my last post about koreans in general!
from now on its sex sex sex only!!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by seoulman
[i]JESUS DUDE!!

and you believe this????
since when is Koreas health care system better than that of the west?

ALL KOREAN MEN well 90% dont wear condoms when they sleep with hookers! These same men who go to THAILAND, PHILIPINES, South East Asia and have sex without condoms and they think we have STDS? hahaahahahhahaha
DO these *****s really think their men are cleaner than us?[/i][/QUOTE]Look seoulman,

I never said that non-Koreans have STD's and Koreans don't. I never implied discrimination, I never implied that Koreans were good, Koreans were bad, whatever, can you please, please stop the social commentaries.

All I said was that when I asked a hooker the reasoning behind why she didn't accept foreigners, that's the answer I recieved, I'm just conveying what I heard, not giving a commentary, or my own opinion on things. Like my posts said, the "girls are dumb as nuts". What she told me makes no logical or practical sense to any person but that's what was presented to me and that's what I am reporting because it pertains to the subject of prostitution in South Korea, which is what this forums main topic is.

I never said I agreed with the statements and I make it clear that what I was told sounds stupid. No social commentary intended in any statement.

Yes, I agree with you, let's stick with SEX SEX SEX.

Mool

[QUOTE]Originally posted by seoulman
[i]
one last thing IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!
and other civalized countries!!!
ITS ILLEGAL TO DISCRIMINATE!!!
ILLEGAL!! you can be arrested or your business closed down!!
Korea has a long way to go before they can be labelled Decent humans!!! [/i][/QUOTE]

By your phrase, you are saying there are no discrimination in other countries... Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Korea has it's downsides and I do prefer the States thousand times more but I've seen worse things in NYC than in seoul. Every country has its pros and cons.
Reading all your messages, you seem to take great pleasure in bashing koreans and its culture. I'm fine with positive criticism but your post does nothing but fuel unnecessary controversies. Again, I'm not saying what you wrote doesn't exist but how you said it that's remarkable crude and childish.
Further, your reply to moolman doesn't make any sense. You are missing the point. He is criticizing the foolishness of the women and not being gullible.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NY Yankees
[i](1)I really don't know why you have to bring about your criticism of Korean society at every chance that you get.

(2)Otherwise, we wouldn't be posting stuff on this website for the benefit of non-koreans.

SEOULBLADE: Economy and the social world are two different things. I may be a foreigner but I know the difference between privilege and preference / choice. Yes, the Koreans may have gotten help from outside countries, but let's be real, please--we don't get automatic privilege in that way.[/i][/QUOTE](1)First of all, look at any one of my posts and you will see I have not brought up criticism of Korean society; Rather, I have simply responded to posts I feel may be bias toward one side of an argument. For example, when someone posed the idea that BGs were afraid of foreigners due to STDs, I simply brought up the point that STDs are very common in Korean society as well, including young women/non-pros (although maybe not AIDs or Herpes, but many of the usual minor STDs).

(2)Look what you wrote above. C'mon, you must admit you sound like you're doing certain people here a big favor. But, it is your choice to post here. No one is forcing you.

SEOULBLADE: My point was that you cannot invite people to your country to help reconstruct it, and not expect them to be at least mildly interested in participating in other aspects of it; You cannot embrace globalization and expect people to be uninterested in the foreign "merchandise" (so to speak).
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In any case, it is Summer time here in the US, and the Korean ladies are looking very nice.

Still no posts about the Hongdae scene?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NY Yankees
[i]By your phrase, you are saying there are no discrimination in other countries... Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Korea has it's downsides and I do prefer the States thousand times more but I've seen worse things in NYC than in seoul. Every country has its pros and cons.
Reading all your messages, you seem to take great pleasure in bashing koreans and its culture. I'm fine with positive criticism but your post does nothing but fuel unnecessary controversies. Again, I'm not saying what you wrote doesn't exist but how you said it that's remarkable crude and childish.
Further, your reply to moolman doesn't make any sense. You are missing the point. He is criticizing the foolishness of the women and not being gullible. [/i][/QUOTE]

I suggest you read both messages again!
he said
" I think that's kinda understandalbe since if I had to take my chances, I that's what I would do"

so yeah and no never in any of my messages do I distriminate koreans or bash the koreans!!
I make generalizations and facts which are real!!

yes of course racism and distrimination is prevalent in the US and other 1st countries!!
BUT!! even though it goes on Those countries dont have signs up on their front doors! NO FOREIGNERS!!
NO BLACKS!
Foreigners must pay double!
Asian only club!!
NON ASIANS ALLOWED!
sorry we only serve whites!
NO KOREANS!!
get my drift!!!
you tell me where in NYC did you see a club or a brothal say that!?
I dont want to start an Argument or get this board totally off topic which we should be talking about sex!!
I was childish to post that first post I admit but its true never the less!
if you wish to debate me further on , that korea is nothing like I say then we can do it in Email!!
thanks

P.S.

went to the SUWON redlight district near SUWON station
MAN their is some TALENT!!
the place is over crowded at least 7-8 girls in one booth!
and young I'd say university girls paying their way through college or bad depts etc.. anyway all dressed in sexy clothes..
they dont take foreigners! but I saw indians and some foreigners walking around! I went there a few times during worldcup..
they didnt even look my way...
they will take a physically challenged korean man, or old man in his 60's before they take a brad pitt looking 28 years old foreigner
emmmmmmmm

I don't know what the big deal is if Korean don't service non-koreans. It's their rights to refuse just like McDonald has the right to refuse service to customer w/o shirt or shoe. It's there country and they operate however they want, if you don't like it then just move to another asian country if you still hung on asian pussies. Why wget work up over it if their men like to do it w/o country? whoring is a risky business from the get go why fool yourself thinking otherwise. South Korean exist to ensure it own alpha male ego just as the USA exist to fosture it own alpha male ego.

Seoulman,

I'm responding to your posts as soon as I see them but I am still a regular member so there is a couple of days delay.

Since you are specifically, quoting my post, I'll will answer any critizisms and questions.

Now you must take my statements in context of my whole message. It's like cults leaders who take one passage from the bible and think they are Jesus or Muslims who take one passage from the koran and become terrorists.

My whole sentence was:

"I think that's kinda understandalbe since if I had to take my chances, I that's what I would do, even though that that doesn't guarentee shit."

See that last part about not guarenteeing anything about not having STDs. I never said they should discriminate against non-Koreans. I never said that it was right to only serve koreans at brothels.

The whole context of my post was that these girls are not very intelligent and they have no concept of STD prevention and condom use.

When I said I think that it's understandable they don't take foreigners, I was empathizing with them, as in, if I was in their shoes and I was a hooker regardless of a korean hooker or some other country AND I wanted to play my chances with someone having an STD or not, I would say that the local people have a less chance of STD because they don't travel around as much to countries which have a higher rate of AIDS. Now like I said, it "doesn't guarentee shit" but I am saying that I understand their position on the subject.

Of course Koreans guys travel around Asia, going to thailand, philippines etc catching an STD but what I'm saying is I understand their position of taking their chances with a local since obviously they might not travel as much as a foreigner in the county, who is obviously traveling around using brothels.

Anyway, I hope all this makes sense and let's please get back onto the subject at hand. I do have some field reports to post, like I said in my previous posts.

Mool

[QUOTE]Originally posted by seoulman
[i]so yeah and no never in any of my messages do I distriminate koreans or bash the koreans!!
I make generalizations and facts which are real!![/i][/QUOTE]

Let others be the judge of that. All your posts contain humor that borders on mockery and sarcasm regarding the behaviors of koreans. Again, I never disputed your facts. Although generalization is nothing but an euphemism for stereotyping, they do at times point to the truth. I don't recall saying what you said were false and untrue. So don't get worked up on that.

[QUOTE][i]yes of course racism and distrimination is prevalent in the US and other 1st countries!!
BUT!! even though it goes on Those countries dont have signs up on their front doors! NO FOREIGNERS!!
NO BLACKS!
Foreigners must pay double!
Asian only club!!
NON ASIANS ALLOWED!
sorry we only serve whites!
NO KOREANS!!
get my drift!!!
you tell me where in NYC did you see a club or a brothal say that!?
I dont want to start an Argument or get this board totally off topic which we should be talking about sex!!
I was childish to post that first post I admit but its true never the less!
if you wish to debate me further on , that korea is nothing like I say then we can do it in Email!!
thanks [/i][/QUOTE]

Signs or no signs that's not really the point is it? So in your terms, having no signs but if racism or discrimination did exist, that is tolerable? Come to think of it, isn't that actually worse? That's pretty much like a wolf in sheep's clothing. And I actually haven't seen any of the signs that you've mentioned in any RLDs, bath houses or barbershops. Well did see a "no korean" sign at some club in Itaewon.
Of course some clubs and brothels welcome you with open arms back in NYC but I've walked into a few where I've gotten that look that tells me I'm not too welcomed. Furthermore I've been denied service a few times(mostly via the phone or through email) due to my race but I always try to give the girls the benefit of the doubt that to them race is merely a preference and not an issue. Again, read my posts, I never said korea is nothing like what you said. I was merely pointing out that they could be done with out the wicked humor and sarcasm. Play a fair game, don't hit below the belt. On a brighter note, maybe all of us are just frustrated with our work and desperately need to get laid. Lack of sex is driving our minds to wander into other frivolous nonsense. So let's get on with it...

Greetings,

To all the non-Koreans, I am sorry if the working girls do not accept you.

But what can we do?

Trust me, there are a lot of Korean (non-pros) girls who are openminded and would love to meet a foreigner.

English Institutes, Itaewon, HongDae, etc. They are all over the place.

I am stuck here in the Twin Cities (Minnesota) on business. :(

This has got to be the most boring state in America!

I went to a Kansas City Royals-Minnesota Twins game. While walking to the ballpark, I saw two girls smile at me. But when I looked back at them, they were also smiling at other guys. Were they working girls? If so, I am going back. LOL :)

Sincerely,

New World Order

[look how they acted when the military allegedly killed those two girls!
[/i][/QUOTE]

...allegedly?????

It is sad that this Seoul page has degraded to attacks and counterattacks on/from Koreans & Han Mi's.

Stick to the fact