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[QUOTE=Retired Army]I am not sure of the specifics of the message, but I think that anything said privately between two individuals should stay just that. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]
You're still missing the point. It's not private if I don't welcome it!
If people would care more about oters and practise safe sex, we wouldn't have to discuss this at this forum.
Some people will spoil the lives of many working girls and many mongers, but I guess that's life, they don't care and they will not stop as they only do think of them selfs...it's a shame.
I haven't made many contribution on this forum, but I guess that's just me beeing lazy.
Pete: I hear you mate. Take care.
[QUOTE=Petemcc]You're still missing the point. It's not private if I don't welcome it![/QUOTE]
I am a little slow and easily confused sometimes.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I am a little slow and easily confused sometimes.[/QUOTE]
I have a cure for that. A nice Thai girl who wants to marry you. From what I have read, that is a very big wake up call!!!!
[QUOTE=La Chef]If people would care more about oters and practise safe sex, we wouldn't have to discuss this at this forum.
Some people will spoil the lives of many working girls and many mongers, but I guess that's life, they don't care and they will not stop as they only do think of them selfs...it's a shame.
I haven't made many contribution on this forum, but I guess that's just me beeing lazy.
Pete: I hear you mate. Take care.[/QUOTE]
There speaks the voice of reason. Welcome. Je pense qu vous etes Francais, n'est pas?
[QUOTE=Petemcc]There speaks the voice of reason. Welcome. Je pense qu vous etes Francais, n'est pas?[/QUOTE]sorry, [blue][Text deleted by Admin][/blue]
And I am right now in Indonesia.
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[QUOTE=La Chef]sorry, [blue][Text deleted by Admin][/blue]
And I am right now in Indonesia.
[size=-2][u]EDITOR's NOTE[/u]: [blue]This report was edited to [u]remove text not in English[/u]. While I encourage contributions from all volunteers, the Forum is an English-only website. Please do not post reports in any language other than English. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Well what I said was that I don't really speak French, but it seems like the admin didn't like that I wrote it in French?
The girls in Thailand will not stop working when that Period comes. Large dicked farhangs will eat viagra on top of many beers and drill the hell out of these girls and cause them to bleed. Blood is the medium that spreads it and vaginal juices too. Sure, you are bagged but how about that manicure you got at the barber shop? The freshly cut cuticles, or you rub your eye after pulling that bag off your pinga. When they get the initial infection that comes before the 3 month detection time comes it is very contagious. I flat out asked a couple of girls if they were HIV+ after I did the "10,000thb boom boom, no condom, OK?" verbal test and got a yes. When I looked them in the eye and asked if they had it they stared down at the floor. OK, mix that with Avian Flu and we are in a heap of potential trouble. Girls that got it are more than happy to do you unbagged as they have nothing to lose and a grudge to bear. The Avian Flu can swap out dna with other viruses. There is little or no data on the possiblities, but it has been stated separately that both viruses can mutate, and the Avian flu CAN aquire characteristics from other Viruses. Imagine, a CSW girl goes home to the province where the chickens are all over the place. I can hear them clucking when I call the girls on the phone when they go back to Isan or up country. Imagine the highly contagious element mixing with the incurable time bomb. It is just a matter of time. Around Christmas in Pattaya the girls sit at the bars with their legs up and told me it was because of the HIV mosquitos. What is to stop a mosquito from spreading it just like malaria? Thailand keeps stats but many other Asian countries supress or don't have stats. Do a search and note how little stats are available, especially on the new sub-category e strain. Thailand has 3 major strains. The first strain was brought to LOS in the 80's from the US by Gays. The 2nd was another African strain brought to the Golden Triangle by Indian Gem merchants from Bombay and this spread from IV drug use and the prostitutes in Northern Myamar and Chiang Mai. It got to Bombay via African Sailors doing Indian ho's. The newest one is the Subcat-e, introduced by West Africans to Thailand in the late 90's. . I see many Africans near Nana. I saw some very frigtening data 2 years back on Sub Cat e, but I can no longer find it. I wish somebody from the medical community would post stuff on this site. The lack of data is almost suspicious, like they are trying to hide it. Maybe the religious right wants to kill the mongers off. The fact that Thai girls don't carry bags, and Indonesian girls can be arrrested for being a prostitute for possessing them shows how little has been done. The cute 22 year old mother in Jakarta told me the doctor comes and gives them "antee-beeotik" so bags are not necessary. This is a far cry from the Rio Girls that are always well stocked and experts at deploying a new bag for each act. In reality, WWI ended because of Influenza, not a truce. 500,000 died in the US from Avian Influenza between 1918 and 1919. With modern jet travel and airport transfer hubs imagine how fast it would spread. This site needs up to date stat.
I'm catching up on the threads, been away for a while, so much work. Anyway, WTF is the problem in this thread ? There is no such thing as safe sex, in Thailand or anywhere, ALL sex involves risks, but so what. As individuals we decide for ourselves where we sit on the risk situation. I consider Giotto as a freind, but i would not base my decisions on his risk assessment method, nor would i decide to base them all on posts by Petemcc, this is a forum for monging and thanks to OTH, RA, Traveller and others there are also some good discussions and points of factual info on Thailand, the culture and some experienced peoples points of view on them. This thread is stupid, it does nothing for anyone. If you want to learn the facts about STI's, HIV Aids and all that crap then do a google and get the info from some government or medical site from qualified people who at least have the right to claim their opinions should be valued.
Anyone coming to Thailand (or going anywhere for that matter) that needs to use a sex forum to decide wether its safe to go BB or not is nuts IMO.
Sex is dangerous, if you are serious about wanting to try to understand how dangerous, WSG is not the place to do it.
Rant over.
[QUOTE=Meaty]I'm catching up on the threads, been away for a while, so much work. Anyway, WTF is the problem in this thread ? There is no such thing as safe sex, in Thailand or anywhere, ALL sex involves risks, but so what. As individuals we decide for ourselves where we sit on the risk situation. I consider Giotto as a freind, but i would not base my decisions on his risk assessment method, nor would i decide to base them all on posts by Petemcc, this is a forum for monging and thanks to OTH, RA, Traveller and others there are also some good discussions and points of factual info on Thailand, the culture and some experienced peoples points of view on them. This thread is stupid, it does nothing for anyone. If you want to learn the facts about STI's, HIV Aids and all that crap then do a google and get the info from some government or medical site from qualified people who at least have the right to claim their opinions should be valued.
Anyone coming to Thailand (or going anywhere for that matter) that needs to use a sex forum to decide wether its safe to go BB or not is nuts IMO.
Sex is dangerous, if you are serious about wanting to try to understand how dangerous, WSG is not the place to do it.
Rant over.[/QUOTE]
Maybe I'm losing the plot but I could have sworn that the title of this thread is Safe Sex In Thailand. OK, that's about sex in Thailand, not culture, that is in other threads, and the culture one on Giotto's forum was mine by the way.
There is such a thing as safe sex- sex between two monogomous partners, safe that is as far as disease is concerned, not injury.
The whole point about this thread is that people still have misconceptions about what is and is not safe, or should I say safer, because I fully agree with you, sex with a person whose complete medical and sexual history you don't know has risks attached. As you also pointed out we are mongers and at the day we will be fucking strange women, and that carries risks even in a full body condom.
If you look back, I think you will find that my contribution to this Safe Sex thread started when some stupid things were said. This entire website, the Thailand forum and this thread are about finding women for sex, and educating others. Have a look, all over the site there are still stupid questions like can I catch HIV from kissing someone.
In an ideal world Meaty, everyone would do their own research and draw their own conclusions. However, at least once I have replied to a member who said that he did not understand a research paper, and it was quite an important one. Many people only know their dick from their elbow because generally their elbow doesn't fit in the places a dick does, and sometimes things, especially involving science/biology have to be broken down to simple forms. Everyday new things are being discovered. I myself for example had forgotten about chlorhexidine as an excellent 90% plus mouthwash to use after getting a mouthfull of Thai girl love juice.
Yeah, sex, mongering sex is risky, and all we can do is make it as safe as possible, and education is the only way.
Personally I don't give a flying fuck if you agree with my submissions, which basically are that a condom is the most effective way of NOT getting a dose of something, hopefully some people will have payed heed to what I said and consider every new girl a risk, be she an 18 year old so-called virgin, or a Catholic nun who has fucked off the church and taken up life as a barmaid in Thailand.
I'm bored typing now, and you're probably bored reading this, I'm off.
[QUOTE=Petemcc]..Maybe I'm losing the plot but I could have sworn that the title of this thread is Safe Sex In Thailand...[/QUOTE]
You are, my post was not only directed at you, and certainly not a flame of you, it was simply in relation to this Threads Topic, "Safe Sex in Thailand", IMO it is a pointless thread, containing nothing but heresay and peoples opinions edcuated/self-educated/unedcuated, on 'Safe Sex'. Nothing in this thread can be taken seriously, and anyone who bases there sexual practices on the posts in it needs help !
I also don't think anyone would disagree that wearing a condom, reduces the 'chance' of catching 'something'. But if a monger needs to know that from a sex board, again, something is wrong.
Chill out Pete, you appear to be taking things to heart, which weren't mean't in that way.
[QUOTE=Meaty]You are, my post was not only directed at you, and certainly not a flame of you, it was simply in relation to this Threads Topic, "Safe Sex in Thailand", IMO it is a pointless thread, containing nothing but heresay and peoples opinions edcuated/self-educated/unedcuated, on 'Safe Sex'. Nothing in this thread can be taken seriously, and anyone who bases there sexual practices on the posts in it needs help !
I also don't think anyone would disagree that wearing a condom, reduces the 'chance' of catching 'something'. But if a monger needs to know that from a sex board, again, something is wrong.
Chill out Pete, you appear to be taking things to heart, which weren't mean't in that way.[/QUOTE]
It's OK, I'm on my tenth beer now. 4-5 is argumentitive, anything after that is mellowing. I get your point!
Cheers!
Pete
I decided to erase the risk assessment report.
2 Reasons:
[b]1.) Possible Misunderstanding[/b]
When reading some responds to the report I realize that it can obviously be misunderstood as an advice, under which circumstances bareback intercourse could be acceptable. The Traveller has described this option correctly in a report below.
I first did not want to believe that, but obviously not many people have the time to read such a report slowly and in details – and then the whole message of the report get lost, worse – the message is reversed. And that is really the last thing I want to achieve with this report.
[b]2.) For What?[/b]
The report does not add any value to this forum. It is an intellectual orgasm for myself, and nothing more than that. I had fun to find out how my personal ways of thinking work, when I make a decision to go for oral sex with a P4P girl. But it is nothing more than that, only of value for myself.
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I apologize to the forum for posting the risk assessment report.
[b]Please, Guys, use a condom, under all circumstances. No exceptions![/b]
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]I decided to erase the risk assessment report....[/QUOTE]
And how many lurkers jaws have just dropped as they wonder how they're supposed to know the risk levels they're exposing themselves to now ?!?! :D :D I liked your report G, nothing wrong with it, just your take on your decision process, just like seomone saying #83 at Teens is the best Anal ever, but then i go and she doesn't offer it, that doesn't make the original post wrong or require it to be removed, it just requires the readers to apply common sense to posts.
I think I always understood the thing right.
No more or less.
And I believe that about 90 % of all mongers do nothing else then doing some kind of judgment how far to go with oral sex activities when deciding for P4P.
And the judgment was always for the decision of the level of oral sex and not for bareback sex as willingly falsely commented by some moralist icons.
It’s an illusion that the many mongers in LOS would behave like the father of all safe sex, moral icon The Traveler. In fact there is no time for 99,9999 % of all mongers to run each girl of our choice through a 15.000 baht 100% medical STD examination first. The reality is that except the few hand countable The Traveler’s alike the rest of us will continue with their risk assessments to allow ourselves a more or less bit of oral pleasure.
As I don't need any instructions for that, I can live as well with and without Giotto's Risk assessment report. But I enjoyed reading it and secretly comparing it with my own brainwork I am going through when thinking on the level of oral activity I do with a girl.
Regards