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[QUOTE=Simex;1329827]Some light competition for Artemis.[/QUOTE]I don't think this new club would be a competitor to Artemis, it's too far away, out on the country side.
And Artemis is strengthened their position with the new construction and will still remain the monopole FKK-club in Berlin. We would like to see some competition but it's not going to happen. Too much money and politics are involved.
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1329627]I'm sure the line-up is not large or great as Artemis,[/QUOTE]I wish I could be optimistic about the place as it does look to be a nice building and could be a great location for a club. Unfortunately I feel that a two hour drive is just too far to make this an easy Berlin alternative to Artemis (as Oase is to Palace) and I truly wonder where they think they will find their customers. If no customer, the girls will stay away. It would be nice to be proved wrong of course,
I have yet to see any reports on the place on the German forum.
AM
[QUOTE=Catmouse123; 1306701]You europeans are so lucky that you have FKK.
It's just an amazing experience. Plus. 50 euro for 1/2 hour is a total bargain.
It's just truly an incredible experience. You Europeans (especially the Germans) are so lucky![/QUOTE]Agreed. However, note that at FKK Dietzenbach, near Frankfurt, half-hour sessions are just EUR 30. Entrance fee is also just EUR 30. OK, there are only 15 or so girls and the facilities are not as good, but it's a much better price. If one wants the facilities, spend EUR 15 for all day in a spa-also hundreds of nude women walking around.
I occasionally go to Dietzenbach since it is close by. However, even this is too expensive. The Partytreffs (see the forum here in ISG) , mostly in Northrhine-Westphalia, are even better. Entrance fee ranges from EUR 70 to EUR 150, for the whole day, sometimes as much as 17 hours. Unlimited sessions, group sex, several girls with one guy or vice versa. BBBJ is more or less standard. Then there is Partytreff Mettmann where CIM is standard and there are girls who do DFK, deep throat, swallow, anal, stick their tongue in your arse etc, all for no extra fee. Mettmann has genuine nymphomaniacs, all German girls. (While actual forced prostitution is rare, most of the girls in FKK clubs wouldn't be there if they didn't need the money. This is definitely not the case at Mettmann.)
[QUOTE=Angus Magee;1330030]I have yet to see any reports on the place on the German forum.[/QUOTE]Here is an article in German (google trans in chrome browser give you the gist) about the newly opened FKK in a castle about two hours west of Berlin.
[url]http://www.az-online.de/nachrichten/landkreis-stendal/bismark/junge-damen-alten-gemaeuer-2506784.html[/url]
Can't say I am that impressed with the talent shown but then I guess it is still early days.
AM
[QUOTE=SvenFKK; 1331136]Agreed. However, note that at FKK Dietzenbach, near Frankfurt, half-hour sessions are just EUR 30. Entrance fee is also just EUR 30. OK, there are only 15 or so girls and the facilities are not as good, but it's a much better price. If one wants the facilities, spend EUR 15 for all day in a spa-also hundreds of nude women walking around.
I occasionally go to Dietzenbach since it is close by. However, even this is too expensive. The Partytreffs (see the forum here in ISG) , mostly in Northrhine-Westphalia, are even better. Entrance fee ranges from EUR 70 to EUR 150, for the whole day, sometimes as much as 17 hours. Unlimited sessions, group sex, several girls with one guy or vice versa. BBBJ is more or less standard. Then there is Partytreff Mettmann where CIM is standard and there are girls who do DFK, deep throat, swallow, anal, stick their tongue in your arse etc, all for no extra fee. Mettmann has genuine nymphomaniacs, all German girls. (While actual forced prostitution is rare, most of the girls in FKK clubs wouldn't be there if they didn't need the money. This is definitely not the case at Mettmann.) [/QUOTE]Ok, I've read about these Partyreffs things. So far, I've confined myself to only FKKs. By the descriptions of the Partyreffs I read, I have to wonder, are the guys and chicks screwing each other without showering and cleaning up between each coupling? I mean, in the FKKs, both the girl and the guy showers after each "coupling." But these Partyreff things sound like it's a free-for-all orgy with guys just taking turns one after another on the same girls. I'm curious about the hygiene there as compared to the usual FKK practices. I certainly don't want a chick sucking my dick if she just had her tongue in some guy's ass. At least in the FKK, there's at least an expectation that they're using mouth wash between sessions.
I know some of you might say that I should post this question in the Partyreff thread. I'm mainly interested in a comparison between the hygiene between the Partyreff things and the FKKs, so it makes as much sense to post this question here.
I can't imagine the line-ups being all that great in the Partyreffs compared to Oase and Golden Times and places like that. Can anyone here offer any opinions on that? One day, I might want to visit a Partyreff but I don't want to waste my time if all the chicks are just the bottom of the barrel so to speak.
[QUOTE=Ultrahappy;1331353]By the descriptions of the Partyreffs I read, I have to wonder, are the guys and chicks screwing each other without showering and cleaning up between each coupling? I mean, in the FKKs, both the girl and the guy showers after each "coupling." But these Partyreff things sound like it's a free-for-all orgy with guys just taking turns one after another on the same girls. I'm curious about the hygiene there as compared to the usual FKK practices.[/QUOTE]It depends somewhat on the club. Many clubs will have group sex where its common for the girls to move on to the next guy immediately or to go double up on the last few guys in play. In a few clubs almost every session is like this, in others its fairly rare. If you don't like that sort of thing either get in the group phase early and get out before the sharing starts or only go for individual sessions.
[QUOTE=Ultrahappy;1331353]I can't imagine the line-ups being all that great in the Partyreffs compared to Oase and Golden Times and places like that. Can anyone here offer any opinions on that? One day, I might want to visit a Partyreff but I don't want to waste my time if all the chicks are just the bottom of the barrel so to speak.[/QUOTE]If a girl is very attractive and / or has good people skills, she can make more at an FKK, so FKKs tend to have the more attractive girls with good people skills. Partytreffs tend to have older girls, less attractive girls, girls who cannot or will not get out and hustle up business. Partytreffs are more about quantity than about quality. Look at them as all-you-can-eat buffets where yes often the food is fattier than you'd prefer or just generally not top quality and has generally been on the counter longer than it really should have been but, as Napoleon said, quantity has a quality all its own.
[QUOTE=Ultrahappy;1331353]Ok, I've read about these Partyreffs things. So far, I've confined myself to only FKKs. By the descriptions of the Partyreffs I read, I have to wonder, are the guys and chicks screwing each other without showering and cleaning up between each coupling? I mean, in the FKKs, both the girl and the guy showers after each "coupling." But these Partyreff things sound like it's a free-for-all orgy with guys just taking turns one after another on the same girls. I'm curious about the hygiene there as compared to the usual FKK practices. I certainly don't want a chick sucking my dick if she just had her tongue in some guy's ass. At least in the FKK, there's at least an expectation that they're using mouth wash between sessions.[/QUOTE]I would say that for the most part (unless you're speaking about the AO gangbang scene, of which I can't speak) the same level of hygiene is expected. Everyone is directed towards the showers when entering and between sessions. I've had a few stinky twats facing me in GT and Oasis over the years; probably the same in these places. Indeed, the clientele is different, perhaps the girls less ideally-attracive, but in the room they're all do what they need to for your money. Hygiene is a relative thing once you enter the monger world.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1330030]I wish I could be optimistic about the place as it does look to be a nice building and could be a great location for a club. Unfortunately I feel that a two hour drive is just too far to make this an easy Berlin alternative to Artemis (as Oase is to Palace) and I truly wonder where they think they will find their customers. If no customer, the girls will stay away. It would be nice to be proved wrong of course,
I have yet to see any reports on the place on the German forum.
AM[/QUOTE]Looks like a nice place with a large park surrounding the building.
Seems there have been other plans too for this small palace in 2010! As a "Seniorenresidenz", a luxury old people's home
("Alters-Luxus-Apartments").
[url]http://www.openpr.de/news/462060/Neue-Wohnkonzepte-fuers-Alter-Mobilitaet-mit-Web-2-0.html[/url]
(in german)
Photos of the place (Schloß Schönfeld, Altmark) can be found using Google images search, using the keywords "Schloss, Schoenfeld, Altmark"
And here:
[url]http://www.altmarktourismus.de/kulturmark/schloesser/details.php?id=1[/url]
For Google Earth users:
Altitude: 52°36'55. 89"N.
Latitude: 11°44'1. 55"E
[QUOTE=Ultrahappy; 1331353]I know some of you might say that I should post this question in the Partyreff thread. I'm mainly interested in a comparison between the hygiene between the Partyreff things and the FKKs, so it makes as much sense to post this question here.
I can't imagine the line-ups being all that great in the Partyreffs compared to Oase and Golden Times and places like that. Can anyone here offer any opinions on that? One day, I might want to visit a Partyreff but I don't want to waste my time if all the chicks are just the bottom of the barrel so to speak.[/QUOTE]First of all, if you were to post this question in the partytreff section you'd have 20 guys raving about the scene. Better to do it here where you've got a mix of guys who've tried both. I started at the partytreff's when I first started visiting Germany, there would always be a handful of cute young girls here and there at the various clubs. But for the most part your either getting girls past their prime or girls with stretch marks and saggy tits who would find it difficult to make money at a bigger club. As I said though, there might be one girl out of that bunch who could work at an fkk club and might make a few bucks as well. I'm not saying all the clubs are like this, but that's probably going to be the main talent pool you'll be dealing with. If you just spent a grand to fly to europe, you'll probably want to stick to the fkk clubs. If it didn't cost you much to reach germany and you've got no problem fucking the bottom of the barrel then try it out.
Hi all on the forum, am new here and just about to pop my FKK cherry. I will be flying into Frankfurt Germany for a training in November and will be free for a play about Saturday and Sunday, I am thinking of Oases FKK on Saturday and Palace or Manhattan FKK on Sunday. I live in the UK and it's my first FKK experience, but am told it better than LMP for those that are familiar with the UK. Where is best to visit first and where to avoid, read a lot of bad reviews on Palace, but heard they have a lot of 10/10 ladies working there at least 20-30 at one shift, being that I like really fit ladies, is it really fair to miss out on Palace FKK?
Bottom line I need some advice on where to go and have fun after a good week of hard training. I will be using public transport and won't be driving and my hotel will be located in a central location close to the railway station in Frankfurt am Main, so travel by rail will be easy.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1331180]Here is an article in German (google trans in chrome browser give you the gist) about the newly opened FKK in a castle about two hours west of Berlin.
[url]http://www.az-online.de/nachrichten/landkreis-stendal/bismark/junge-damen-alten-gemaeuer-2506784.html[/url]
Can't say I am that impressed with the talent shown but then I guess it is still early days.
AM[/QUOTE]Hi AM,
Thanks a lot for the news. We actually did discuss with if should pay dass Schloss a visit or not,
But now I think should hold our horses until the line-up is good.
NC
If your only free to play on Sat & Sun. My strategy to maximize quality line-up; atmosphere and experience:
1) Saturday. Mainhattan / Palace (Lineup good and good party atmosphere)
2) Sunday. Oase (Lineup good, where as in Palace and Mainhattan Sunday lineup is known to be poor)
I have been to LMP. Is Katie (Kate) the tall stunning blonde Polish bird still partying.
I was her first client on her first day. 3 years back.
Because you're relatively new to the FKK scene, beware of the sharks and upsell in Palace.
[QUOTE=JustinDukeJnr; 1331653]Hi all on the forum, am new here and just about to pop my FKK cherry. I will be flying into Frankfurt Germany for a training in November and will be free for a play about Saturday and Sunday, I am thinking of Oases FKK on Saturday and Palace or Manhattan FKK on Sunday. I live in the UK and it's my first FKK experience, but am told it better than LMP for those that are familiar with the UK. Where is best to visit first and where to avoid, read a lot of bad reviews on Palace, but heard they have a lot of 10/10 ladies working there at least 20-30 at one shift, being that I like really fit ladies, is it really fair to miss out on Palace FKK?
Bottom line I need some advice on where to go and have fun after a good week of hard training. I will be using public transport and won't be driving and my hotel will be located in a central location close to the railway station in Frankfurt am Main, so travel by rail will be easy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Breadman;1331568]First of all, if you were to post this question in the partytreff section you'd have 20 guys raving about the scene. Better to do it here where you've got a mix of guys who've tried both. I started at the partytreff's when I first started visiting Germany, there would always be a handful of cute young girls here and there at the various clubs. But for the most part your either getting girls past their prime or girls with stretch marks and saggy tits who would find it difficult to make money at a bigger club. As I said though, there might be one girl out of that bunch who could work at an fkk club and might make a few bucks as well. I'm not saying all the clubs are like this, but that's probably going to be the main talent pool you'll be dealing with. If you just spent a grand to fly to europe, you'll probably want to stick to the fkk clubs. If it didn't cost you much to reach germany and you've got no problem fucking the bottom of the barrel then try it out.[/QUOTE]Ok, you've answered my question. No partyreffs for me. I'm not interested in the bottom of the barrel. I can be fairly picky and have had to walk out of FKKs before because I didn't see anything that interested me. For example, earlier this year, I hit Planet Happy Garden and Villa Vertigo and had to leave because I didn't see anything that interested me there. To be fair, I visited both of those places on an afternoon / early evening on a Monday, so I was probably there at the worst possible time. I'm told that those places are much more hopping weekend nights. Both had great facilities and were nice places aesthetically speaking. But I never have a problem finding something that interests me at Oase, Golden Times, or even in Living Room with their slower line-up at the moment. I haven't tried Samya or Acapulco yet, but I will endeavor to add those to my list before year end. Someone on this forum referred to Acapulco as Oase's little sister club. If that appellation has any truth to it, then Acapulco might be a winner for me.
that was me. but please note aca has a non-approach policy. you need to make the first move, not ideal for any novice fkk newbie.
i hated this on my maiden voyage to aca - but with the impressive lineup, i soon warmed to idea....
so the fun and frolic of girls coming up rubbing their tongue, tits and thighs will be non-existance in aca.
it's a like a speed dating venue. girls are sitting by the couch for men to approach them.
you chat and mingle and if you're in doubt, move on to the next welcoming sofa.....
if sit on their sofa without making a move after a while - you will be asked to leave (politely on most occasion)
[quote=ultrahappy;1331733]ok, you've answered my question. no partyreffs for me. i'm not interested in the bottom of the barrel. i can be fairly picky and have had to walk out of fkks before because i didn't see anything that interested me. for example, earlier this year, i hit planet happy garden and villa vertigo and had to leave because i didn't see anything that interested me there. to be fair, i visited both of those places on an afternoon / early evening on a monday, so i was probably there at the worst possible time. i'm told that those places are much more hopping weekend nights. both had great facilities and were nice places aesthetically speaking. but i never have a problem finding something that interests me at oase, golden times, or even in living room with their slower line-up at the moment. i haven't tried samya or acapulco yet, but i will endeavor to add those to my list before year end. someone on this forum referred to acapulco as oase's little sister club. if that appellation has any truth to it, then acapulco might be a winner for me.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Ultrahappy;1331733]. If that appellation has any truth to it, then Acapulco might be a winner for me.[/QUOTE]Aca's a great club, make sure you stock up on 20's since the rate's 40 euro's per half hour.