[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;2032316]I think Mr Cane has nailed it in this reply![/QUOTE]He always nails it, especially the Brazilian ass LOL.
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[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;2032316]I think Mr Cane has nailed it in this reply![/QUOTE]He always nails it, especially the Brazilian ass LOL.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2031357]OK, but I'm sorry. I have to say. Hahahahahaha! I mean some of you guys seem to be prepared to go through great lengths to get around this "lousy Merkel" law! How's about you just focus on finding girls who will still do it as long as everything stays on the down low? I think that's going to work out just fine. They've been doing it, and I'll be damned if they're going to stop! Some will, plenty more will not. Especially if they know they can charge an extra 50 bills as a premium. And us stupid and needy mongers will pay it too LOL! There's going to be a lot of BBBJ / CIM going on. You mark my words! You read it right here LOL![/QUOTE]It seems that with one's pre-existing regular girls you will be grandfathered in under the old standard of service levels.
The more pressing question is with new girls not known to you how to get in under their grandfathering schemes.
Further question is with brand new girls in the industry not having the history of BBBJ whether they will even contemplate any sort of two tier service level.
Well, apparently the locals expect service offerings to stay.
It's safe to say that for the vast majority of customers BBBJ will not be on offer from July 1st even if the guys that go go Oase every week may get away with it for a while. Paying "tip" or considering BBBJ an extra is a similar outcome as not being offered. Won't happen to a lot of guys.
[QUOTE=Bitumen;2032446]It seems that with one's pre-existing regular girls you will be grandfathered in under the old standard of service levels.
The more pressing question is with new girls not known to you how to get in under their grandfathering schemes.
Further question is with brand new girls in the industry not having the history of BBBJ whether they will even contemplate any sort of two tier service level.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bitumen;2032446]It seems that with one's pre-existing regular girls you will be grandfathered in under the old standard of service levels.
The more pressing question is with new girls not known to you how to get in under their grandfathering schemes.
Further question is with brand new girls in the industry not having the history of BBBJ whether they will even contemplate any sort of two tier service level.[/QUOTE]I doubt that those regular girls will have any sort of loyalty to their "regular guys"
If indeed 50 E (or whatever is the amount) becomes a necessary tip for BBBJ, the girl will expect it from all men, pre existing regular or not.
Does the regular currently receive anal or CIM or any such thing for free? No. Because she gets paid extra for those services from other men, and she expects the same from her regular.
In fact, being a regular carries an extra burden. The guy is supposed to pamper the girl and be nicer than other guys to maintain his "regular" status.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2032388]
However, for me the I hate the hassle of making effort to get BBBJ if it get into negotiation with tutes, so if it get hard upsell I will shift my winter mongering trip to gt vienna maybe as I have not been there and also to Vienna.[/QUOTE]Is it so hard to say, "Ah, I see. Then I don't go the room with you then" or simply walk away?
I guarantee that when you walk by them again later, they will be more agreeable if they are just sitting around doing nothing. If if she is not more agreeable later, then you just saved yourself from getting stuck with a girl who is not very motivated. Win / win!
I'm thinking it won't be so complicated after July 1st.
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In fact, being a regular carries an extra burden. The guy is supposed to pamper the girl and be nicer than other guys to maintain his "regular" status.[/QUOTE]If the customer is a platinum-level spender, she'd should be doing everything to retain him--at least I'd hope. He's pampering her a monetary sense, I suppose. But I'd hope that this type of man knows his worth and the type of leverage that he commands. He should suggest to her that she is the lucky one, and that he could just as easily move on to the next.
Most ISGers are spending more than me. So I don't know why you all are so worried. Attendance seems to be down across the board or at least inconsistent. May 1st may have been anomaly. Sharks was unusually empty today for Sunday. I saw the WG's despondent faces. The type of faces that you only see after three disappointing weekend days: Fri, Sat, Sun. Later upon speaking to a few WGs, they confirmed my suspicions.
[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2032625]Is it so hard to say, "Ah, I see. Then I don't go the room with you then" or simply walk away?
I guarantee that when you walk by them again later, they will be more agreeable if they are just sitting around doing nothing. If if she is not more agreeable later, then you just saved yourself from getting stuck with a girl who is not very motivated. Win / win!
I'm thinking it won't be so complicated after July 1st.[/QUOTE]Well my stance is simply, I will then opt for 30 min 50 euro session, then I just do her doggy style hardcore that is it and this will be my use for German FKK.
I will negotiate in room always not outside.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2032659] I saw the WG's despondent faces. The type of faces that you only see after three disappointing weekend days: Fri, Sat, Sun. Later upon speaking to a few WGs, they confirmed my suspicions.[/QUOTE]I always see those faces regardless of customer attendance. All these WG feels like business is bad because they they aren't getting 10 1 H sessions with all extras. These WG aren't satisfied unless they suck everyone's wallet dry. I wouldn't rely on any WG opinion on how the actual business is doing. If anything I'd chat with the front desk and ask how the business is recently.
Also who cares, less men means less waiting time and more selection. These WG complain all day but they would never go get a real job because even on a shit day at a FKK is more than they'll ever make back home. Just pump away.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2032546]I doubt that those regular girls will have any sort of loyalty to their "regular guys"[/QUOTE]A smart girl would be wise to hold up her service level for regulars. Don't forget all those interpersonal impulses you don't want to dish out if you want resales.
I've had girls who suddenly tried upselling on me who I just ditched thinking there are plenty of girls to choose from anyway...
McA: do you think it may be because alot of tourists are also moving into nrw these days? Untill now nrw has had very few tourists, but it seems like it is growing in that area... so instead of having 5-1 hessen-nrw, you have maybe 4-2 now?
Pistons, I don't think there are more tourists diverting from Hessen to NRW.
Someone who is attending Sharks at least once a week might be better suited to comment on this trend over time. Part of the disappoint could have been due to just the WGs not expecting a slow weekend. When it is Christmas, Easter, or World Cup, the girls expect business to be slow, so there is less of a letdown.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2032659]If the customer is a platinum-level spender, she'd should be doing everything to retain him--at least I'd hope. He's pampering her a monetary sense, I suppose. But I'd hope that this type of man knows his worth and the type of leverage that he commands. He should suggest to her that she is the lucky one, and that he could just as easily move on to the next.
Most ISGers are spending more than me. So I don't know why you all are so worried. Attendance seems to be down across the board or at least inconsistent. May 1st may have been anomaly. Sharks was unusually empty today for Sunday. I saw the WG's despondent faces. The type of faces that you only see after three disappointing weekend days: Fri, Sat, Sun. Later upon speaking to a few WGs, they confirmed my suspicions.[/QUOTE]A platinum spender probably knows his value to the girl, but also probably emotionally compromised. Yes, the girl provides some goodies I suppose, such as more couch time, more bulk and bundled deals, more passionate sessions obviously, and so on. But rarely are they providing free extras; if the regular negotiates for an all night for a grand, perhaps all extras could be included, but if it is a 3 HR session, the girl still would not throw in a free anal and CIM in that type of session. That's what I mean by "regular is not getting anything anymore than a normal guy would get in terms of extras". So, if BBBJ becomes a paid extra, as standard as a anal or CIM, she is likely to charge the regular also an extra for the bbbj
What complicates this is that BBBJ is technically illegal. So, it's status as a paid extra is very murky. Anal and CIM are quite legal now, and clearly defined as extras. So, I am speculating here, but I could be completely wrong on everything I said here (probably applies to 95% of what I type 🤓.
(Pistons - you snipped just a portion of my comment, which takes it out of context. What I meant by loyalty was providing free extras; I was saying that if the girl could charge others 50E, she is unlikely to give her so called regulars a free bbbj for too long. She needs the regulars to make more money than she normally could; not the other way around)
And I think a guy does spend more on his regular than on other girls, relative to how much sex he actually has. Sessions last much longer, but most of that is chatting and other fluff. Some guys give gifts and other things. Percent of time spent on pure sex is likely to be less with a regular than in a session with a non regular girl.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2032707]A platinum spender probably knows his value to the girl, but also probably emotionally compromised. Yes, the girl provides some goodies I suppose, such as more couch time, more bulk and bundled deals, more passionate sessions obviously, and so on. But rarely are they providing free extras; if the regular negotiates for an all night for a grand, perhaps all extras could be included, but if it is a 3 HR session, the girl still would not throw in a free anal and CIM in that type of session. That's what I mean by "regular is not getting anything anymore than a normal guy would get in terms of extras". So, if BBBJ becomes a paid extra, as standard as a anal or CIM, she is likely to charge the regular also an extra for the BBBJ
What complicates this is that BBBJ is technically illegal. So, it's status as a paid extra is very murky. Anal and CIM are quite legal now, and clearly defined as extras. So, I am speculating here, but I could be completely wrong on everything I said here (probably applies to 95% of what I type 🤓.
And I think a guy does spend more on his regular than on other girls, relative to how much sex he actually has. Sessions last much longer, but most of that is chatting and other fluff. Some guys give gifts and other things. Percent of time spent on pure sex is likely to be less with a regular than in a session with a non regular girl.[/QUOTE]Sometimes with all these complication, negotiation and bogus up selling with holding service, it is much more better maybe to go to Globe Zurich LOL.
There you pay more, but 30 minute is 30 minute and you get all promised service without all this negotiation etc. There are no holding service there.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2032670]Well my stance is simply, I will then opt for 30 min 50 euro session, then I just do her doggy style hardcore that is it and this will be my use for German FKK.
I will negotiate in room always not outside.[/QUOTE]So true, Mr Ho! Nice and emotional BBBJ rises spiritual sentiment of any session. Since CIM was my top priority, for girls who provided proper BBBJ / CIM in the past, I gave tips, presents. Perfumes, jewelry, took them out shopping, movies, and dinners. Now as July 1st law takes humanity out of mongering, my FKK rules become:
(1) brief pre-zimmer interview: e. G. What extra services do you provide? Just listen to what she says. No commitments or promises. None.
(2) upselling attempts- HAHAHAHAHA- as Pistons said, plenty of girls to choose from.
(3) 30 min rooms only, unless it's a validated repeat with well known expectation.
(4) as CIM service vanishes, I am shifting heavily into anal. I may even choose uglier tutes for that.
(5) in zimmer: behave like a really mean motherfucker. Only hardcore, balls deep, rough fuck. I will actually skip CBJ part as it doesn't do much for me.
(6) after zimmer: no tips, strictly 50 Euro. Always.
(7) don't repeat as much. Choose new girls.
As a general guideline, I will expand my voyage to more clubs. I used to get stuck in a Bermuda triangle H7-GT-LR. Now it makes more sense to go other places to find more girls to fuck.
Smoke Light and Mr Ho. I can see your approach. If workers abandon selling a romantic illusion then it is no surprise if customers take the remaining option of an uncomplicated soulless fuck.
I know I overstate this but it has some merit as an analysis.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2032707]A platinum spender probably knows his value to the girl, but also probably emotionally compromised. Yes, the girl provides some goodies I suppose, such as more couch time, more bulk and bundled deals, more passionate sessions obviously, and so on. But rarely are they providing free extras; if the regular negotiates for an all night for a grand, perhaps all extras could be included, but if it is a 3 HR session, the girl still would not throw in a free anal and CIM in that type of session.[/QUOTE]Note my usage of the word "should" and "I would hope". I suspect you are closer to the truth. I don't think 3 HR session would put a man in the platinum category. But I'd like to think if some guy spent 10 K over six months, I hope he's getting frequent flyer upgrades. These girls work in sales. Big accounts SHOULD matter. Salespeople wine and dine their high value prospects, not the other way around.